[1. CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL]
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          GOOD EVENING. I'M GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING, THIS SEPTEMBER MEETING OF THE SOUTHAMPTON PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER. I'M GOING TO ASK IF EVERYONE WILL STAND AS WE RECITE THE PLEDGES TO OUR FLAG. 
          I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY, JUSTICE FOR ALL. I WANT TO ASK IF YOU WILL REMAIN STANDING. I'M GOING TO HAVE A BRIEF INVOCATION. 
          PLEASE, PLEASE JOIN ME AS A HAVE A PRAYER. HEAVENLY FATHER, LORD, WE GIVE THANKS FOR THIS EVENING THAT WE CAN COME, LORD, TO SERVE OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT HERE IN THE COUNTY. AND FOR ALL THE ONES WHO WILL COME TONIGHT. 
          LORD, TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS MEETING. WE JUST ASK THAT WE HAVE A GOOD, PRODUCTIVE, ORDERLY MEETING. 
          THAT EVERY VOICE IS HEARD. 
          THAT IN THE END A GOOD AND WISE DECISION WILL BE MADE THAT WILL BE PLEASING TO YOU. LORD, WE GIVE THANKS FOR ALL THE BLESSINGS EACH AND EVERY DAY. 
          AND BE WITH THOSE THE FARMERS AS THEY CONTINUE WITH THEIR HARVEST. ALL THE SEASON HAS BEGUN. THAT THE WEATHER WILL BE DESIRABLE AND THE CROPS WILL BE GOOD. THE BAND FOR THE HORSE WILL BE ENJOYED BY ALL PEOPLE LATER ON. 
          AGAIN, AS THIS MEETING CONCLUDES TONIGHT, WE ASK THAT WE ALL HAVE A SAFE JOURNEY HOME. THESE ARE ALL THINGS WE ASK. YOUR SON'S NAME. JESUS CHRIST. AMEN. YOU MAY BE SEATED. 
          AGAIN. 
          WELCOME EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU HERE. KIND OF EXCITING WHEN WE HAVE A GOOD TURNOUT. A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE MEET, WE MIGHT HAVE ONE OR TWO IN THE AUDIENCE. AND IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S BORING, BUT I GUESS IT COULD BE BORING. 
          BUT APPRECIATE YOU ALL COMING OUT TONIGHT. AND IF YOU DID COME TO SPEAK, YOU'LL HAVE YOUR CHANCE AS WE PROGRESS THROUGH THE MEETING. SO, BY THE WAY, WE'RE VERY INFORMAL. JUST. 
          JUST RELAX. AND WE'RE JUST REGULAR PEOPLE, SO, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THROUGH THIS AGENDA. I'M GOING TO CHANGE THE AGENDA SLIGHTLY. 
          WE DO HAVE A BUSY SCHEDULE TONIGHT AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET THROUGH SOME OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS FIRST. I GOT A FEELING THAT'S WHY SOME OF YOU ALL ARE HERE. AND THEN WE'LL CONDUCT SOME OF OUR OTHER BUSINESS. 
          [5. PUBLIC HEARINGS]
BUT YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY IF YOU WANT TO. YOU STAY FOR THE ENTIRE MEETING. 
          OKAY? SO, THAT BEING SAID, I'M GOING TO GO RIGHT INTO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. I'M GOING TO HOLD OFF ON THE MINUTES RIGHT NOW. 
          FIRST OF ALL, AS I'M NOT GOING TO CALL THE ROLL, JUST FOR SIMPLICITY'S SAKE, EVERYBODY IS HERE AND APPRECIATE ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS THE EFFORTS YOU ALL PUT FORWARD TONIGHT TO BE HERE. 
          SO, THAT BEING SAID, WE WILL. 
          YOUR SECRETARY IS LOOKING INTO A MATTER FOR ME. SO, WE'RE GOING TO START WITH NUMBER A, THE MR. DAVID POWER APPLICATION. AND I WILL LET MR. REGAN, IF YOU WILL, TO ELABORATE ON THAT, SIR. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          RES. 
          2020604 APPLICATION BY DAVID J. POWER, LANDOWNER, REQUESTING A CHANGE IN ZONING CLASSIFICATION A2 TO RR OR RURAL RESIDENTIAL OF APPROXIMATELY 5 ACRES. THE PURPOSE OF THE APPLICATION IS REZONE 5 ACRES OF A 21 POINT. WELL, THAT'S IT. 21.9 ACRES IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 18178 DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS TIMED APPROACH OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE. 
          THE FIRST, THE PROPERTY IS IDENTIFIED AS TAX PARCEL 1535 AND IS LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF NEW ROAD ABOUT 622 AND IT'S LOCATED IN THE IVOR MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT AND NORTHEAST VOTING DISTRICT. I'VE INCLUDED A STAFF REPORT WITH THE. THE AERIAL MAPS SHOULD BE IN YOUR PACKETS. 
          OKAY. MR. PRENTICE IS UP IN THE IVOR AREA, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO, IT IS A. IT IS ALLOWED BY ORDINANCE THAT IF HE WANTS TO SUBDIVIDE OFF THE LARGER. 
          THE LARGER TRACK THE END OF 21.9 ACRES TO TAKE TO CUT OUT THIS BUILDING LOT. AND I'M SURE IT WAS MENTIONED. AND I'M JUST GOING TO ASK, IS THIS. IS THIS CLEARED? A CLEARED AREA? 
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NO, THE. AS. AS THE AERIAL SHOWS, IT'S A WOODED AREA. 
          A WOODED AREA. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. PRINCE? SEEM LIKE EVERYTHING IS IN ORDER. 
          THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED. EXCUSE ME JUST A SECOND. YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD GOING WITH THE HEARING, IF YOU WOULD. WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, WE WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON REZONE REQUEST 202604 APPLICATION BY DAVID J. 
          POWERS, LANDOWNER. ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD TO SPEAK ON THAT APPLICATION. YOU MAY COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY HERE FOR THAT APPLICATION? YES, SIR. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THE APPLICATION? YOU DON'T HAVE TO, BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO. 
          NO, I DON'T HAVE TO. OKAY. 
          I HAD SOME QUESTIONS. 
          YOU COME FORWARD TO THE MICROPHONE AND JUST. IF YOU COULD JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THERE ARE THREE. THREE METHODS TO DO THIS. AND YOU'VE CHOSEN THE TIME METHOD? YES, SIR. 
          DO YOU REALIZE THAT NINE YEARS FROM NOW YOU DON'T GET THREE HOUSES? OKAY? YOU. 
          IT'S. YOU CAN GET ONE EVERY THREE, BUT IF YOU TAKE SIX YEARS, THEN YOU STILL BACK TO ONE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTOOD THAT METHOD. 
          NO FAMILY TRANSFERS OR NOTHING. IT WAS WROTE IN THE COUNTY FAMILY TRANSFERS ARE ALLOWED. THIS WE USE IN THIS METHOD. 
          YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE HE. HE UNDERSTOOD WITH THE TIME METHOD THAT 12 YEARS FROM NOW, HE DOESN'T. HE CAN'T SAY, I WANT FOR A HOUSE, FOUR LOTS. NO, NO, THEY DON'T ACCUMULATE. 
          RIGHT? THEY DON'T ACCUMULATE. 
          YOU. ONCE THE THREE YEARS IS UP, YOU DON'T USE IT, IT'S GONE. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I WANT TO KNOW. 
          YEAH. OH, THEY'RE READY TO DO IT NOW. I GOT A SURVEY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, SIR, FOR ANSWERING QUESTIONS. OKAY, ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION? REZONING 220264 BY DAVID J. POWERS, LANDOWNER. OKAY, THANK YOU, SIR. 
          YES, SIR. 
          WE WOULD CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON REZONING 2026 04. 
          ANY COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? WE'VE GOT THE STRENGTHS OF THE APPLICATION. THE REZONING FOR SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT IS IN CONFORMITY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE, SECTION 18 POINT OR 18, 178, 1 THROUGH 5, DEVELOPMENTAL STANDARDS, TIMED APPROACH. THE WEAKNESS OF THE APPLICATION FROM OUR STAFF. THERE'S NONE THAT ARE LISTED. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS? BEING THAT IT SEEMS TO BE IN ORDER, I THINK HE STUCK TO THE ORDINANCE. AND JUST TO THE ORDINANCE, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS LOT IS NOT SITUATED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE ALWAYS LOOK AT. 
          SO, I THINK HE'S GOT EVERYTHING IN ORDER. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY MOTIONS? MOTION TO APPROVE APPLICATION SECOND AND SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANYBODY NOT IN FAVOR? SO, APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. ALL RIGHT, SIR, YOUR APPLICATION HAS BEEN APPROVED. AND WE'LL GO ON TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY, BACK TO YOU, SHERIFF. 
          I JUST NOTE THE EFFICIENCY THAT'D BE IN OCTOBER IF HE NEEDS THE EFFICIENCY OF THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          OCTOBER 22ND. 
          YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, MR. RANDALL, FOR HANDLING THAT. OKAY, SO, NOW WE WILL GO TO THE CONTINUATION OF A MATTER WHICH IS UNDER UNFINISHED BUSINESS. WE JUST CLARIFIED THAT THAT PUBLIC HEARING WAS CLOSED, MR. RANDALL. I MEAN, MR. REGAN. 
          OKAY. 
          YES, SIR. 
          OKAY, SO, THIS IS. THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS INSERTED BECAUSE OF THE BATTERY STORAGE ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED KIND OF. KIND OF AT THE SAME TIME HIS APPLICATION CAME CORRECT. HE CHANGED. YOU'VE ALREADY SENT OUT THOSE MODIFICATIONS, RIGHT? IN THE APP, 
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IN THE APPLICATION? YES. AND SO, WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITH CONTINUING THAT PART OF THAT MEETING, WHICH WAS THE JULY MEETING. OKAY. 
          CORRECT. 
          WE DIDN'T GET TO ACT ON IT LAST MONTH BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE INFORMATION IN FRONT OF US. OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          JUST PUT. 
          THIS IS A OUT OF ORDER. WE'RE MOVING THIS UP FOR TIME'S SAKE. YOU JUST READ THAT CONTINUATION PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          ALL RIGHT, I WILL. I WILL READ THAT. BUT THE ONES DON'T HAVE THE AGENDA PACKET IN FRONT OF THEM. SO, THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THAT MEETING. 
          AND I'M NOT GOING TO SAY PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE PUBLIC HEARING WAS CLOSED. THAT PART OF THAT MEETING WAS CLOSED. WE JUST DIDN'T TAKE A VOTE ON IT. AND THAT WAS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 20202. 
          THE APPLICATION BY MR. WILLIAM SYNERGY POWER, BAP POWER LLC, REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATION OF A 20 MEGAWATT UTILITY SCALE SOLAR FACILITY WITH AN 8 MEGAWATT 32. I HOPE I GET THAT RIGHT. MEGAWATT BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 18622, PERIOD A. 
          THIS IS THE WHITE SOLAR AND STORAGE PROJECT OVER ON OFFICE 671 IN THE HERCULES AREA. 
          BUT THE ONES THAT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN KEEPING UP WITH THIS. 
          SO, MR. REGAN, DO YOU HAVE THAT? SO, YOU HAD THAT CORRECTED FORM. I THINK IT WAS FOUR ITEMS THAT WERE UPDATED. 
          IT WAS JUST LANGUAGE THAT NEED TO BE. IT WAS CLARIFICATION. 
          SIR, YOU WANT TO COME FORWARD? YEAH, I DON'T HAVE. 
          IF YOU WOULD, LANGUAGE, MR. MANN. 
          CHAIRMAN. 
          I'M ON. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. 
          YES, SIR. 
          IF YOU WOULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF AGAIN AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN. I'M SORRY, ARE THESE THE FOUR ITEMS? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COVER SHEET FOR THIS BINDER. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          YEAH, THAT'S THE PROJECT. I BELIEVE SO. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS IT. YES. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          YES, SIR, GO AHEAD. 
          KEVIN OSBORNE WITH SYNERGY POWER. I DID PREPARE A SHORT PRESENTATION TO SHOW HOW WE ADDRESSED THE COMMENTS FROM JULY. 
          SURE, SURE. AND WE APOLOGIZE THAT WE WERE NOT ABLE TO ADDRESS THIS AT OUR LAST PREVIOUS MEETING. 
          BUT THANK YOU FOR BEING AT YOUR PATIENCE AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. 
          MY PLEASURE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          WE'RE BRINGING UP HIS PRESENTATION ON THE SCREEN. 
          DO WE HAVE THE BUTTON? YES. 
          SO, TONIGHT WANTED TO ADDRESS THE KEY ISSUES REGARDING THE WHITE SOLAR PLUS STORAGE PROJECT THAT WAS RAISED. SO, TONIGHT WE ARE SEEKING YOUR RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          SO, LAST MEETING WE LEFT OFF WITH THE REZONING APPROVAL. 
          AND TONIGHT, THOSE QUESTIONS WILL BE SHOWN HERE. SO, THESE ARE ITEMIZED QUESTIONS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP. SO, NUMBER ONE WAS ABOUT DECOMMISSIONING, ABOUT SOMEONE BEING ABLE TO SIGN TO LEAVE MATERIAL THERE. WE CHANGE THAT IN THE LANGUAGE SO, COUNTY MUST APPROVE ANYTHING LEFT. NUMBER TWO, ABOUT THE DEPTH CONCERN. 
          EVERYTHING'S OUT TO THE FULL DEPTH. NUMBER THREE THE $1,000 INFLATION, WE AMENDED THAT. IT'S GOING TO FOLLOW THE INFLATION AND EVERYTHING SPAWNED AT 100% BATTERY CLOSE UP. SO, THIS IS A CLOSE UP VIEW OF THE BATTERY, THE CONTAINER. THIS IS SAMSUNG 20FT LENGTH, 9.5FT TALL. WE ARE FOLLOWING DOMINION'S SPACING REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE 25FT BETWEEN THE CONTAINERS. THIS EXCEEDS THE NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION 855 SPACING REQUIREMENTS OF 3FT. 
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SO, WE'RE GOING ABOVE THE MINIMUM AND MEETING DOMINION 303FT TO THE NEAREST PROPERTY LINE EXCEEDS THE 300FT MINIMUM FOR THE BATTERY ORDINANCE THAT WAS RECENTLY ADOPTED. OVER 1000FT TO THE NEAREST HOME FROM 500FT REQUIRED 50FT FROM EQUIPMENT TO THE SECURITY FENCE AND OUTSIDE OF ALL WETLANDS AND FEMA FLOOD ZONES. 
          THIS IS JUST A DIAGRAM SHOWING THE LENGTH AND THE HEIGHT. AND JUST WANT TO MAKE NOTE IN THE PACKET ITSELF WE ITEMIZED EVERY ITEM OF THE BATTERY ORDINANCE AND HOW WE COMPLIED EACH AND EVERY ITEM. PART OF THAT INCLUDES THE UL9540A TEST. 
          THIS IS A TEST AT THE CELL. 
          THE MODULE AND THE UNIT PUT THROUGH A THERMAL RUNAWAY. 
          SO, BASICALLY THE WORST CASE SCENARIO TO TEST AND THIS WAS DONE IN AUGUST IN 2025 IN MICHIGAN. 
          AND THERE WAS NO PROPAGATION. 
          THEY HAVE A FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM BUILT IN. IT HAS A SMOKE DETECTOR, DETECTS GASES AS WELL AND IT HAS ITS SELF CONTAINED SUPPRESSION. SO, THERE'S NO PROPAGATION THAT WAS DETECTED WITHOUT ANY ELECTRICAL. WITH ALL ELECTRICAL TURNED OFF. 
          OKAY. 
          OTHER ITEMS YOU RAISED. JUST WANT TO SHOW THAT I'M LISTENING. 
          THE FENCE, SO, IT'S SIX FEET WITH CHAIN LINK FENCE WITH ONE FOOT OF THREE STRANDED BARBERED WIRE AND THEN TRAFFIC. 
          SO, IT'S VDOT CONFIRMED THAT NO TRAFFIC IMPACT WASN'T NEEDED. 
          AS WE ARE ON GENERAL THOMAS HIGHWAY. AND THEN ARCHAEOLOGICAL ARTIFACTS, WE'RE GOING TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT. IF THEY ARE THOSE IDENTIFIED THAT NOTTOWAY TRIBAL WOULD BE THAT'S WHERE THEY WOULD GO. SO, OUR REQUEST IS TO BE RESPECTFUL AND ASK FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION OF THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? WHAT I RECALL HE'S ADDRESSED ALL OF THE CONCERNS THAT I REMEMBER. IS THAT A REFRESHER TO YOU ALL? I DO I'VE GOT YES, ONE NEW ONE AND ONE OLD ONE. 
          SO, ON THE NEW ONE WHEN I'M LOOKING THROUGH THIS AND THIS MIGHT JUST BE A SMALL LITTLE ISSUE ON THAT TEST, THAT PARTICULAR ITEM WAS NOT. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH TO KNOW IF THAT'S AN ISSUE. 
          NO, IT'S NOT. THIS IS AUTHOR PROCUREMENT AND THIS IS VETTED AND THIS, THIS IS NOT. 
          OKAY. WHEN YOU MOVE AHEAD. 
          THERE WILL BE A FIRE. A TRUE FIRE INSPECTOR. 
          OKAY. AND THEN THE. THERE WAS ONE QUESTION THAT I HAD THAT I CANNOT RECALL RIGHT NOW. 
          THAT'S ALL RIGHT. YOU INTERJECT. WHEN IT COMES TO YOU. SO, MR. TURNER, I'M GOING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. 
          YOU MEAN OUR PROFESSIONAL FIREMAN? DOES THAT SATISFY? WE HAVE DISCUSSED ABOUT CONTINUING INSPECTIONS. 
          AND I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN HERE. 
          SO, IN THERE IS ANNUAL TRAINING FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ONGOING EVERY YEAR. SO, IF THERE'S NEW STAFF, THAT'S GOING TO BE ONGOING. YOU KNOW, THE KNOX BOX AS WELL. AND THAT IS A STANDARD THAT WE UPHOLD. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THE REASON I CALL ON YOU, BRIAN, IS CAUSE I'M NOT REALLY FAMILIAR WHAT A FIRE WOULD BE AT A BATTERY STORAGE. THAT'S WHY LAST TIME WE WERE TALKING. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. AND I KNEW YOU BROUGHT THE QUESTION. YOU HAD THE QUESTION. BECAUSE YOU CAN'T JUST THROW WATER ON A LITHIUM BATTERY. RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          AND I THINK YOU CAN'T GO RUNNING INTO THE BUILDING EITHER. 
          CORRECT. 
          WITH THE GAS THAT'S IN THERE. 
          SO, AS LONG AS THE ANNUAL TRAINING IS KEPT UP IN THE KNOX BOXES IN PLACE, I THINK THAT. SATISFIED? YES. 
          THANK YOU. AND ANY OTHER. 
          JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN COORDINATING WITH THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR, JUSTIN HERMAN, TO HAVE CONTINUED TRAINING FOR BATTERY STORAGE PROJECTS IN THE FUTURE. SO, HE IS AWARE 
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OF THAT AND WE'LL BE LOOKING AT COORDINATING ALL THE TRAINING IN THE FUTURE. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THIS GENTLEMAN? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. 
          SO, OUR TASK AT HAND. IT'S A DINNER. MORE DELIBERATION. 
          NOW'S THE TIME. 
          BUT OUR TASK IS NOW TO VOTE ON ISSUING OR RECOMMENDING THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT GOING FORWARD. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I RECOMMEND. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CONTINUOUS USE PERMIT FOR SYNERGY POWER. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE A PROPER MOTION. DO I HEAR A SECOND? SECOND PROP. A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I WILL JUST MENTION BEFORE WE VOTE. I THINK THIS FIRM HAS BEEN VERY PATIENT WITH US AND BEEN VERY THOROUGH. 
          AND IN THIS CASE, I THINK THEY WERE VERY FORTUNATE IN PICKING OUT THE RIGHT SITE. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. IF NOT, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE AND WE'LL. WELL, WE'LL JUST DO IT IN UNISON. 
          AND IF IT GETS TECHNICAL, I'LL CALL BACK FOR A ROLL CALL. SO, IN UNISON. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED, LIKE SIGN? OKAY, IT'S UNANIMOUS. OKAY. SO, OUR RECOMMENDATION FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION WILL BE FORWARDED TO DIVORCE SUPERVISORS. I ENCOURAGE YOU AND YOUR REPRESENTATIVES TO COME BACK. I'M ASSUMING AT THE SUB AT OCTOBER MEETING TODAY. WAS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. 
          ASSUMPTION. MAYBE I'LL MOVE RIGHT ALONG FOR YOU, SIR. 
          ADVERTISED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AGAIN, NOT MORE THAN 28, NOT LESS THAN FIVE. 
          THANK YOU. THAT'S RIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT, THAT CONCLUDES THAT PART OF THE MEETING. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. NOW WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE ON WITH OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          WE'RE GOING TO BACK UP NOW TO THE APPLICATION BY MATTHEW ROBERTS. AND AGAIN, I'M GOING TO CALL ON MR. PRINCE IF HE WOULD LIKE TO READ A DESCRIPTION OF THAT REZONING APPLICATION. 
          THEN WE'LL GET RIGHT INTO THAT. YES, LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT I STEPPED BACK IN. 
          YES, THAT THE RECORD REFLECT THAT MR. MAY HAS COME BACK TO THE MEETING. THANK. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          YES, SIR. 
          THERE'S FIVE. ITEM 5B. 
          REZONING 20, 26 03. 
          APPLICATION BY MATTHEW ROBERTS, ESQUIRE, SOUTHAMPTON CSG1, LLC, REQUESTING A CHANGE IN ZONING CLASSIFICATION FROM A 2 AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TO M1 LIMITED INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT 4 OF APPROXIMATELY 11. I MEAN 39.51 ACRES. THE PURPOSE OF THE APPLICATION IS TO DEVELOP SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY SOLAR PROJECT DESCRIBED AS A 4.95 MEGAWATTS COMMERCIAL RENEWABLE ENERGY FACILITY IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 1822, A UTILITY SCALE SOLAR ORDINANCE. THE PROPERTY IS IDENTIFIED AS TAX PARCEL 74 21C AND IS LOCATED AT 231449 MAHARAN ROAD, ROUTE 35, LOCATED IN THE SOUTHWEST DISTRICT AND NEWSOM'S VOTING PRECINCT. 
          OKAY, MR. PRINCE, I'M ASSUMING EVERYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH LOCATION. CORRECT. ACROSS FROM THE V DOT HEADQUARTERS ON 35. IS THERE ANY. 
          BEFORE WE GO INTO PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. PRINCE THAT MAY BE FORWARDED? THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR REZONING REQUEST FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONVERTING THE OPEN LAND TO A SOLAR PROJECT. ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, YEAH. 
          SO, THIS ONE. SO, AT THE VERY BOTTOM, SEE INCLUDED STAFF REPORT FOR REZONING CUP AND RELATED DOCUMENTATION. SO, THIS IS FOR REZONING TO M1. 
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THAT'S RIGHT. 
          CORRECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          FOLLOWED UP IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          CORRECT. 
          WOULD IT BE BEST IF WE DID THEM BOTH TOGETHER? WE GOT TO REZONE IT. 
          WELL, YEAH, YOU HAVE TO REZONE FIRST. 
          YOU CAN'T DO IT. 
          BUT YOU BRING OUT A VALUABLE POINT. AND IN THE PAST. AND I KNOW. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT. 
          IN THE PAST, THEY KIND OF GO HAND IN HAND, BUT BOTH OF THEM NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. 
          BUT WE NEED TO GET THROUGH THE REZONING PORTION BEFORE WE CONTINUE WITH SECOND. OKAY, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, IT KIND OF GOES HAND IN HAND, BUT IT IS TWO DIFFERENT PROCESSES. SO, I'M ASSUMING SOME OF THE COMMENTS WILL BE MADE DURING THE FIRST PART OF THIS APPLICATION. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. IF NOT, I'M OPEN TO PUBLIC HEARING. I HAVE REQUESTS. YOU COULD COME ON IF YOU WANT TO COMMENT. I WOULD LIKE YOUR NAME, ANNUAL ADDRESS, AND JUST FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD. AND LOOK, JUST BE VERY RELAXED. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN? YES. DO WE WANT TO GET THE COMPANY TO SPEAK FIRST? YES. YES, I WILL ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME FIRST. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. TURNER. SO, I'LL LET THE APPLICANT COME AND GET HIS SPIEL AND THEN WE'LL GO RIGHT INTO IF THERE'S ANY OTHER CITIZENS WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. 
          SO, THE APPLICANT WILL COME FORWARD, PLEASE. YES, SIR. HOW ARE YOU TONIGHT, SIR? GOOD. 
          HOW ARE YOU? THANK YOU. 
          DOING GREAT. 
          CHAIRMAN DRAKE, DR. EDWARDS, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE TONIGHT. MY NAME IS KIERAN CIEL. I LEAD THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM AT DIMENSION ENERGY. I'M FILLING IN FOR TULPEN HANSEN SCHWOEBEL, WHO'S THE DIRECT DEVELOPER FOR THIS PROJECT. I BELIEVE SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE MET HER AT THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS WE'VE HELD OVER THE PAST SEVERAL WEEKS. 
          TULPEN IS UNFORTUNATELY ILL TODAY. I WASN'T ABLE TO ATTEND, SO, I'M FILLING IN FOR HER. JOINING ME TONIGHT IS MATTHEW ROBERTS, WHO IS OUR LOCAL COUNCIL FROM HERSCHLER FLEISCHER, AS WELL AS NICK ROBERTS FROM KINLEY HORN, WHO'S SERVING AS OUR CIVIL ENGINEER AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT. 
          AS MR. PRINCE MENTIONED, WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE SOUTHAMPTON CSG LLC SHARED SOLAR PROJECT LOCATED ON MEHERRIN ROAD. WE ARE PROPOSING A PROFFER REZONING FROM A2 TO M1, AS WELL AS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR OUR PROJECT. 
          SO, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT OUR PROJECT TONIGHT. I KNOW THERE WERE A COUPLE OF COMMUNITY HEARINGS OR COMMUNITY MEETINGS. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS PERHAPS A MISCOMMUNICATION IN THE FIRST ONE AND HOW WE ADVERTISED IT. I APPRECIATE EVERYONE LETTING US HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A SECOND MEETING TO PROVIDE PROPER NOTICE AND ADVERTISING. I HEAR THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSION OUT OF THOSE MEETINGS AND LOOKING FORWARD TO MORE TONIGHT. SO, WITH THAT SAID, FOR OUR PRESENTATION, I'M HAPPY TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW ON DIMENSION ENERGY AND WHAT SHARED SOLAR IS FOR ANYONE WHO'S UNFAMILIAR, AS WELL AS AN OVERVIEW OF OUR PROJECT ITSELF. AND I'M GOING TO TURN OVER TO MATT, WHO CAN PROVIDE A DISCUSSION ABOUT OUR CONFORMANCE WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THEN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          SO, WHO IS DIMENSION ENERGY? DIMENSION IS A DISTRIBUTED ENERGY INDEPENDENT POWER PRODUCER. WE DEVELOP, BUILD, OWN AND OPERATE DISTRIBUTED ENERGY PROJECTS. THAT'S COMMUNITY AND SHARED SOLAR PROJECTS. LIKE WE'RE DISCUSSING TODAY, WE ARE SPECIFICALLY FOCUSED ON THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS BECAUSE IN A TIME WHEN ELECTRICITY PRICES ARE RISING AND AFFORDABILITY IS ON THE TOP OF EVERYONE'S MIND, WE FIND THAT THESE SMALLER SCALE PROJECTS CAN BE DEPLOY, DEPLOYED, BUILT AND ENERGIZED MUCH FASTER THAN UTILITY SCALE PROJECTS. I THINK IT'S ALSO, IMPORTANT TO MENTION THAT AS A OWNER OPERATOR, WE ARE THE POINT OF CONTACT THROUGH THE ENTIRE LIFESPAN OF THE PROJECT. SO, I IMAGINE THERE MAY HAVE BEEN APPLICATIONS THAT HAVE COME BEFORE THE BOARD BEFORE WHERE THERE'S BEEN A DEVELOPER WHO'S BROUGHT THE PROJECT THROUGH PERMITTING AND INTERCONNECTION AND PERHAPS SOLD TO SOMEONE ELSE FOR CONSTRUCTION. I KNOW THAT CAN CREATE A LOT OF CONFUSION OVER WHO IS MY POINT OF CONTACT, WHO, WHO IS LEADING THIS PROJECT. 
          ONE THING THAT WE THINK GIVES US A REAL ADVANTAGE HERE IS THAT WE ARE THE COUNTY'S PARTNER THROUGH THE ENTIRE LIFE CYCLE OF THE PROJECT. AND YOU ALWAYS KNOW WHO TO CALL WITH QUESTIONS. WE HAVE A DEEP BENCH OF EXPERIENCE DEVELOPING PROJECTS JUST LIKE THESE ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AND IN VIRGINIA SPECIFICALLY, WE HAVE OVER 40 MEGAWATTS OF SHARED SOLAR PRODUCTS OPERATIONAL IN THE STATE TODAY. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF. AND THOSE PROJECTS COMBINED ARE, ARE PROVIDING COMMUNITY BENEFITS AND SAVINGS ON ELECTRICAL BILLS FOR OVER 09,000 VIRGINIAN HOMES. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF. SO, HOW DOES SHARED SOLAR ACTUALLY WORK? THE WAY I LIKE TO TALK ABOUT SHARED SOLAR IS TO TALK ABOUT RESIDENTIAL ROOFTOP SOLAR, BECAUSE I FIND THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MOST PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH. YOU KNOW HOW IT LOOKS, MAYBE YOU'VE SEEN ON YOUR ROOF 
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OR A NEIGHBOR'S ROOF AND YOU HAVE A BETTER SENSE OF HOW IT OPERATES. SO, FOR RESIDENTIAL ROOFTOP SOLAR, IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT ON YOUR ROOF, YOU MIGHT BUY THE PANELS OUTRIGHT. THAT'S PRETTY EXPENSIVE. IN MOST CASES, WHAT PEOPLE DO IS THEY ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH A SOLAR DEVELOPER WHO PUTS SOLAR PANELS ON YOUR ROOF THAT THEY OWN THROUGHOUT THE LIFE OF THE SYSTEM, AND THEY SELL THAT POWER BACK TO YOU AT A RATE THAT IS LESS EXPENSIVE THAN WHAT YOU WOULD NEED FOR YOUR POWER AND YOU SAVE MONEY IN YOUR ELECTRICAL BILL THAT WAY. COMMUNITY SOLAR OR SHARED SOLAR OPERATES PRETTY SIMILARLY. IF YOU CAN ENVISION AN ENTIRE TOWN WHERE EVERY HOUSE HAS SOLAR PANELS ON THEIR ROOFS AND YOU KIND OF TAKE THEM OFF THE ROOFS AND AGGREGATE THEM INTO ONE LOCATION. THAT IS INHERENTLY WHAT SHARED SOLAR IS. THE POWER IS DIRECTLY TIED TO DOMINION'S DISTRIBUTION GRID. SO, LOWER VOLTAGE WIRES AND THE ELECTRONS GO OUT TO THAT GRID. 
          BUT THE OFFTAKE, THOSE WHO RECEIVE THE BENEFIT OF THE CREDIT FOR THE POWER PRODUCED ARE INDIVIDUAL HOUSEHOLDS WHO CAN SIGN UP TO RECEIVE CREDIT FOR THEIR SHARE OF THE POWER PRODUCED BY THE SYSTEM. AND MUCH LIKE THE SOLAR PANELS THAT COULD OTHERWISE BE ON YOUR ROOF, IT IS SOLD AT A RATE THAT IS CHEAPER THAN WHAT YOU WOULD OTHERWISE PAY DOMINION FOR YOUR ELECTRIC BILL. SO, IN A VERY SAME WAY, YOU, YOU'RE SAVING MONEY MONTH OVER MONTH ON YOUR ELECTRIC BILL. AND WE LIKE THIS MODEL BECAUSE WE THINK IT OFFERS A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY AND ALLOWS US TO REACH PEOPLE WHO MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO BENEFIT FROM TRADITIONAL ROOFTOP SOLAR. 
          THERE ARE LOTS OF REASONS WHY SOMEONE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BENEFIT. PERHAPS THEY DON'T OWN THEIR HOME, THEY'RE A RENTER, AND SO, THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR ROOF. PERHAPS THEIR ROOF IS A LITTLE BIT OLDER AND THEY KNOW THAT IT'S NOT PRACTICAL FOR THEM TO PUT PANELS ON THEIR ROOF TODAY. IF THEY KNOW THEY NEED TO CHANGE THEIR ROOF FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, IT MAY BE. SUPPOSE THERE'S A REALLY NICE TREE IN THEIR FRONT YARD AND THEY DON'T WANT TO CUT IT DOWN, BUT IT SHADES THEIR ROOF. ALL THESE REASONS COULD BE REASONS WHY SOMEONE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PUT PANELS ON THEIR ROOF. 
          AND THAT'S ELIMINATED WITH SHARED SOLAR BECAUSE THE LOGISTICS OF HOW THE PANELS ARE INSTALLED IN THE FIRST ROOF ARE COMPLETELY TAKEN OUT OF THE EQUATION. SO, WE FIND THAT IT GIVES A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY TO INDIVIDUAL HOUSEHOLDS WHO WOULD LOOK TO SAVE MONEY ON THEIR ELECTRIC BILLS. WE THINK THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. SHARED SOLAR SPECIFICALLY, WE LIKE AS AN ASSET CLASS. IT KIND OF FALLS IN THE MIDDLE OF RESIDENTIAL, ROOFTOP AND LARGER TRADITIONAL UTILITY SCALE PROJECTS. THIS ALLOWS US TO BE MORE NIMBLE AND THOUGHTFUL IN OUR DESIGN AND HOW WE CITE THESE PROJECTS TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE PROPERLY INCORPORATED INTO THE COMMUNITIES THAT WILL DIRECTLY BE BENEFIT FROM THE POWER PRODUCED BY THOSE SYSTEMS. WE ALSO, FIND THAT THEY'RE LESS LAND INTENSIVE BECAUSE OUR FOOTPRINT IS SMALLER AND BECAUSE WE ARE UTILIZING EXISTING DISTRIBUTION INFRASTRUCTURE AND THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE LARGE SCALE TRANSMISSION LINE UPGRADES OR NEW SUBSTATIONS ON SITE OR WITHIN THE TERRITORY. SO, THAT IS SHARED SOLAR. 
          FOR A PROJECT SUMMARY, THIS WAS COVERED KIND OF AT THE TOP HERE, BUT AS WE MENTIONED, WE ARE PROPOSING A PROJECT ON MEHERRIN ROAD TO THE SOUTH OF MEHERRIN, TO THE NORTH OF WHITE HOUSE ROAD. OUR PARCEL IS AROUND 40 ACRES IN SIZE AND OUR PROJECT FOOTPRINT IS AROUND 30 ACRES. THE PROJECT IS AROUND 4.4 MEGAWATTS AC. WE FIND THIS IS A CAPACITY THAT COULD PROVIDE BENEFITS AND POWER CREDITS FOR AROUND 800 TO 900 HOMES, WHICH IS A GREAT BENEFIT. AS I MENTIONED, INDIVIDUAL HOUSEHOLDS CAN SUBSCRIBE FOR THE PROJECTS. IN KIND OF OUR EARLY MEETINGS, WE'VE TALKED TO THE COUNTIES. 
          WE WERE PREPARING OUR APPLICATION AND TALKED TO SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OFFICE. WE HAVE SET UP FRONT. WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY IF THIS PROJECT WERE TO MOVE FORWARD TO PROVIDE THE RESIDENTS NOTICE THAT THIS PROJECT IS COMING AND THAT THEY COULD PROVIDE OR RECEIVE BENEFITS FROM IT. AND WHAT WE PROPOSE HERE IS A 20% DISCOUNT FOR SOUTHAMPTON RESIDENTS WHO WOULD SUBSCRIBE FOR THE BENEFITS OF THIS PROJECT. THAT'S ABOVE MARKET, WHAT YOU WOULD TYPICALLY SEE FOR SHARED SOLAR PROJECTS. 
          BUT WE FIND THAT WITHIN OUR COMMUNITIES, COUNTIES THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING PROJECTS, THE RESIDENTS OF THOSE COMMUNITIES SHOULD BE THE FIRST ONES TO RECEIVE THE BENEFIT AT A HIGHER RATE THAN THE LARGER MARKET. AND THEN BEYOND THAT. 
          I'M GOING TO INTERRUPT. SURE. 
          NOW TELL ME AGAIN WHAT YOU JUST SAID. SAY IT AGAIN. 
          SURE. 
          THE 20% DISCOUNT FOR SITE TEMPTING KIND OF RESIDENTS. NOW WHO. WHO YOU. 
          IS THAT ALL RESIDENTS? SO, THE WAY, THE WAY THIS WOULD WORK IS IT'S A VOLUNTARY SUBSCRIPTION SERVICE. SOMEONE WOULD ELECT TO SUBSCRIBE TO THE PROJECT FOR SHARED SOLAR, THE MARKET AT LARGE IN THE STATE, TYPICAL SAVINGS OFFERS AROUND 10% SAVINGS ON THEIR ELECTRIC BILL. WHAT WE 
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PROPOSE HERE IS IF THIS PROJECT WERE TO MOVE FORWARD, WE WOULD WORK DIRECTLY WITH THE COUNTY AS WELL AS COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIPS IN THE COUNTY TO LET SOUTHAMPTON RESIDENTS BE AWARE THAT THIS PROJECT IS COMING AND ALLOW THEM TO SUBSCRIBE TO THE PROJECT BEFORE WE GO OUT TO THE LARGER MARKET. AND ANY RESIDENT WHO'D BE INTERESTED IN SUBSCRIBING, WE WILL PROPOSE THAT A RATE THAT'S HIGHER THAN THE STANDARD MARKET RATE. 
          CHAIRMAN, HAVE A QUESTION? GO AHEAD. 
          WHAT ARE THE PARTICULARS OF A SUBSCRIPTION? SURE. 
          IT'S A MONTH TO MONTH SUBSCRIPTION. IT'S FLEXIBLE. IT'S TERMINATING AT EVERY TIME, AT ANY TIME. 
          DOMINION IS REALLY CONVENIENT IN THAT IT'S CONSOLIDATED BILLING. SO, WE WOULD REGISTER A HOUSEHOLD, WE WOULD USE THEIR ELECTRIC BILL TO UNDERSTAND THE SIZING AND THE AMOUNT OF CREDITS THEY WOULD NEED. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED TO DOMINION. AND ON THAT ELECTRIC BILL, MONTH OVER MONTH, IT WOULD SAY, HERE'S THE POWER YOU USED, HERE'S WHAT WAS OFFSET BY THE CREDITS, HERE'S THE DISCOUNTED RATE, AND HERE'S HOW MUCH YOU OWE ON YOUR BILL. AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, CHEAPER OR LESS EXPENSIVE THAN WHAT THAT PERSON WOULD OTHERWISE PAY IF THEY WERE JUST RECEIVING STANDARD RETAIL POWER FROM DOMINION. 
          NOW IS THAT A SIGNED CONTRACT THAT YOU HAVE WITH EACH OUTHOLE? YEAH. 
          THEY WOULD ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH US TO BE A SUBSCRIBER TO THE PROJECT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          IT'S SIGNED. THEY SIGN IT AND YOU SIGN IT. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          AND IN THAT AGREEMENT WILL THE MAP OF THE ENTIRE SITUATION BE CLEARLY SPELLED OUT SO, THE INDIVIDUAL KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE SIGNING UP FOR AND WHAT THEY REASON WE CAN RESPECT. 
          YES. 
          EXPECT BY AS OUTCOMES. 
          YES, DEFINITELY. IT'S VERY SIMPLE. 
          USUALLY USE THE WORD SUBSCRIPTION. SUBSCRIPTION, SUBSCRIPTION. BUT THAT WASN'T THE ACTUAL DEFINER OF THE PROCESS. 
          I'M SORRY, CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? YOU USE THIS SUBSCRIPTION, SUBSCRIPTION, SUBSCRIPTION. 
          BUT IT WAS NOT A DIRECT ANSWER TO MY QUESTION. I ASKED YOU FOR THE PARTICULARS OF THAT SPECIFIC. 
          SURE. 
          SO, WE CALL IT A SUBSCRIPTION. IF YOU LOOK AT DOMINION'S PROGRAM, THEY REFER TO IT AS SUBSCRIBERS. 
          YOU COULD SUBSCRIBE. 
          SUBSCRIBE TO THE PROJECT. IT IS AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE RESIDENT AND IN THIS CASE, DIMENSION ENERGY TO RECEIVE OFFTAKE AND CREDITS FROM THE PROJECT. AND IN THAT AGREEMENT IT OUTLINES THE SAVINGS THAT YOU WOULD RECEIVE ON LIKE A KILOWATT HOUR BASIS. 
          BECAUSE THAT'S HOW ELECTRIC BILLS ARE MEASURED AND HOW MANY KILOWATT HOURS YOU USE OR WHAT HOUR TO USE. AND IT WOULD OUTLINE HOW THAT SAVINGS WOULD BE DISPLAYED ON THE BILL MONTH OVER MONTH. HAPPY TO PROVIDE A SAMPLE OF WHAT THIS AGREEMENT WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          AND ALSO, WHAT ARE THE TERMS OF THAT SUBSCRIPTION? IS IT ONCE I SIGN, I'M ON FOR LIFE? NO, IT'S MONTH BY MONTH. 
          SUBSCRIBERS CAN TERMINATE ANYTIME. 
          IS THERE A FEE FOR IT? DO YOU PAY A FEE TO SUBSCRIBE? YOU'RE NOT PAYING A FEE TO SUBSCRIBE. YOU'RE PAYING FOR THE CREDITS WHICH ARE OFFSETTING YOUR ELECTRIC BILL BILL. BUT THE CREDITS ARE LESS EXPENSIVE THAN WHAT YOU'RE OTHERWISE PAYING DOMINION. 
          SO, BASICALLY IT'S. YOU'VE USED THIS MUCH ELECTRICITY, YOUR SUBSCRIPTION TO THE PROJECT HAS CREATED THIS MANY CREDITS WHICH OFFSETS. EXCUSE ME, YOUR POWER. THE RATE THAT YOU'RE PAYING ON THOSE CREDITS ARE AT A DISCOUNTED RATE COMPARED TO WHAT IS AVERAGE RETAIL RATES FOR DOMINION. AND THAT IS WHAT THIS PERSON WOULD OWE ON THEIR ELECTRIC BILL. 
          SO, A TIP. LET ME DO THIS TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BETTER BECAUSE I'M KIND OF A SIMPLE PERSON. 
          SURE. 
          SO, IF MY MONTHLY ELECTRIC BILL. LET'S JUST SAY IT'S $300 A MONTH. 
          SURE. 
          ROUND IT OFF. $300. IF I SUBSCRIBE, WHAT WOULD I GET OUT OF IT? I MEAN, WHAT KIND OF DISCOUNT AM I GOING TO GET OUT OF IT? AT A 20% DISCOUNT, YOU WOULD SAVE $60 A MONTH ON YOUR ELECTRIC BILL. 
          NO QUESTIONS ASKED. 
          NO. 
          AND EVERY PERSON IN THE COUNTY CAN SIGN UP. 
          THIS PROJECT CAN SUBSCRIBE. 
          800 TO 900 HOUSEHOLDS. 
          800. OKAY. SO, IT IS LIMITED. 
          HOW MANY. 
          THIS PROJECT IS LIMITED. WHAT I'LL SAY ABOUT VIRGINIA. 
          SEE, THAT'S THE THING ABOUT IT. SO, YOU HAD THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING TO, BUT SURE YOU DIDN'T ADDRESS THAT. IT SAYS 20% DISCOUNT FOR SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY RESIDENTS. 
          BUT IT'S 800 HOUSEHOLDS. 
          ONLY THE PROJECT CAN SERVE 800 HOUSEHOLDS. THIS 20% DISCOUNT WOULD BE PROVIDED TO SOUTHAMPTON RESIDENTS WHO ELECT TO SIGN UP WITH THE AVAILABLE CAPACITY. 
          ONE THING I'LL MENTION ABOUT THE SHARED SOLAR PROGRAM IS THAT ANYONE WITHIN DOMINION'S TERRITORY CAN BE A SUBSCRIBER TO A PROJECT. SO, THIS WOULD NOT BE THE ONLY PROJECT IN OUR PORTFOLIO OR ANY DEVELOPER WHO DEVELOPING A PROJECT THAT RESIDENTS FROM THIS COUNTY OR ANY OTHER COUNTY WOULD BE ABLE TO SUBSCRIBE TO AS LONG AS THEY'RE A 
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DOMINION RESIDENT. SO, WE HAVE A VERY ROBUST COMMUNITY SUBSCRIBERSHIP TEAM. AND FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE FOUND THAT THERE WAS LOTS OF INTEREST AND 800 HOMES SIGNED UP FOR THIS PROJECT AND THERE WAS MORE INTEREST BEYOND WHAT THIS PROJECT CAN PROVIDE, WE HAVE MANY OTHER PROJECTS THAT THOSE ADDITIONAL SUBSCRIBERS CAN SUBSCRIBE. 
          SUBSCRIBE TO AND. 
          OKAY, THOSE SUBSCRIBERS BEING THAT YOU ARE PARTNERING WITH DOMINION POWER. 
          WE'RE PARTICIPATING IN A DOMINION PROGRAM. 
          THEY WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE DOMINION POWER CUSTOMERS. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S A DOMINION POWER PROGRAM BECAUSE, I MEAN, WE HAVE SEVERAL ENTITIES SERVING THE COUNTY. 
          YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          AND THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE, YOU KNOW, CLARITY WHO YOUR FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE IPO TYPE INDIVIDUALS ARE. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOUR COMPANY DOES THAT MAYBE OTHER. 
          BECAUSE I'VE HAD. I HAD NOT HEARD OF THIS BEFORE. THE CREDITS. YEAH. 
          THE SHARED SOLAR PROGRAM IS A PROGRAM RUN IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA ACROSS DOMINION SERVICE TERRITORY. THE LEGISLATION WAS FIRST PASSED FOR THIS IN 2020. 2021. IT WAS A 200 MEGAWATT PROGRAM. IT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL. THOSE PROJECTS ARE GETTING BUILT. RESIDENTS ARE SAVING MONEY ON THEIR ELECTRIC BILLS TODAY BY SUBSCRIBING. AND SO, JUST THIS PAST YEAR, THE STATE LEGISLATURE ELECTED TO EXPAND THE PROGRAM. SO, THEY CREATED A LARGER PROGRAM, AN ADDITIONAL. I BELIEVE IT'S 525MEGAWATTS OF CAPACITY WHERE PROJECTS LIKE THESE CAN BE BUILT TO SERVE DOMINION CUSTOMERS. 
          SO, IT'S OPEN TO 800. YOU SAID HOUSEHOLDS. 
          THIS PROJECT SPECIFICALLY, ONCE INTERCONNECTED TO DOMINION, CAN PROVIDE CREDITS TO SERVE 800,000 THAT DON'T HAVE. 
          ARE NOT ABLE TO JOIN IN ON THAT FOR THIS PROJECT, BUT FOR THE PROGRAM AT LARGE, THE STATE. 
          WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS PROJECT. 
          THIS PROJECT CAN SUBSCRIBE 800 HOUSEHOLDS. 
          THIS IS THE ONLY THING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW. 
          SURE. 
          OKAY. SO, THAT MEANS OUT OF 06,800 HOUSEHOLDS, 800 COULD SO, LEAVE 6,000 HOUSEHOLDS WITHOUT FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          BUT OUR COMPANY HAS OTHER PROJECTS THAT RESIDENTS COULD SUBSCRIBE TO. SIMILARLY, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER PROJECTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS TONIGHT. 
          THIS PROJECT IN SERVICE. OUR PORTFOLIO HAS THE CAPACITY TO SERVE MANY MORE RESIDENTS. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU SO, MUCH. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          SURE. 
          AND THAT WAS WHY I WAS ASKING FOR CLARITY. BECAUSE WHEN ELECTRICAL BILLS NOW ARE HODGEPODGE OF DIFFERENT CHARGES AND MOST PEOPLE GET RE, YOU KNOW, BRAIN BLOWS AS THEY GO DOWN AND LIKE, MAN, THEY'RE NITPICKING ME TO DEATH WITH ALL THESE CHARGE SUBSCRIBER LINE THINGS, SEC FEEDS AND ALL KIND OF OTHER THINGS. AND, AND THEN WHEN YOU PUT YOUR CREDITS IN THERE, FOR CLARITY'S SAKE, IF YOU CAN GIVE THE EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, ALONG WITH IT TO SHOW HOW YOUR CREDIT ACTUALLY SHOWS ON A BILL, BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. WE DEFINITELY HAVE SAMPLE BILLS WE CAN PROVIDE TO SHOW HOW IT WOULD DISPLAY. 
          I GOT ANOTHER QUESTION. WE DETERMINED THAT 60%, $60 CAME FROM THE 20% DISCOUNT FOR A $300 BILL. 
          FOR A $300 BILL. ALL RIGHT, SO, HOW MUCH DO THOSE CREDITS THAT HOUSEHOLD HAS TO PURCHASE? WHAT DOES THAT COST? SURE. 
          YOU'RE NOT PURCHASING THE CREDITS ON A MONTH BY MONTH. 
          WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE LOOKING AT YOUR ELECTRIC BILL AND WE'RE SAYING YOUR HOUSEHOLD CAN BE SERVED BY X NUMBER OF CREDITS. SO, IN OTHER WORDS, TO MAKE IT SIMPLER, IF YOUR ELECTRIC BILL WAS $100 AND YOU'RE SUBSCRIBING TO A PROJECT THAT IS SIZING YOUR MONTHLY ELECTRIC USE IN PROVIDING YOU THE NUMBER OF CREDITS NEEDED TO OFFSET THAT BILL, AND WE PROVIDED A 20% DISCOUNT, THE WAY IT WOULD DISPLAY YOUR BILL IS YOU WOULD HAVE USED $100 WORTH OF ELECTRONS FROM DOMINION'S GRID. YOU HAVE SUBSCRIBED TO THIS PROJECT WHICH IS OFFSETTING THAT. 
          INSTEAD OF PAYING $100 BASED ON THE COST OF THE CREDITS THAT ARE BEING SOLD TO YOU. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE BUSINESS PART. RIGHT. 
          WE'RE SELLING THE CREDITS OFFSETTING THE BILL. YOU WERE PAYING $80 INSTEAD OF $100. 
          BUT SO, IT'S BASICALLY A TIER BASED SUBSCRIPTION BASED ON THE SITUATION. BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING FROM YOUR QUESTION. IT WAS LIKE A MAXIMUM CREDIT OF $60. 
          RIGHT? WAS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. 
          NO, WE JUST USED $60 AS THE EXAMPLE. CHAIRMAN DRAKE SAID, WHAT IF MY BILL WAS $300? SO, A 20% DISCOUNT ON A 300 BILL WOULD HAVE BEEN $60. SO, IN THAT EXAMPLE, YOU WOULD HAVE PAID $240 FOR YOUR BILL. 
          AND I'M, AND I'M ASKING THESE QUESTIONS FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC, OF COURSE, AS THEY'RE TRYING TO RUN THE MAP. 
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I UNDERSTAND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL A FAIRLY NEW PROGRAM. PEOPLE ARE MAYBE NOT FAMILIAR WITH HOW IT WORKS. 
          AND IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED THAN JUST GETTING A BILL FROM DOMINION. WE FIND THAT IT IS HELPFUL THAT DOMINION HAS ELECTED TO DO TO SET UP THEIR BILLING IN A WAY WHERE IT'S ALL ON ONE BILL. OTHER STATES, THE WAY THEY SET UP IS YOU GET ONE BILL FROM YOUR UTILITY, ANOTHER BILL FROM DIMENSION ENERGY, AND YOU'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT THEM BETWEEN THE TWO. DOMINIONS DID A GREAT JOB OF MAKING THIS VERY SIMPLE WHERE JUST HERE IS YOUR BILL, HERE'S HOW MUCH THE CREDIT'S OFFSET YOUR BILL. 
          INSTEAD OF THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY, YOU WOULD OWE THAT AMOUNT. 
          SO, BOTTOM LINE, IF I'M A DOMINION CUSTOMER AND I HAVE SUBSCRIBED TO THIS SERVICE AUTOMATICALLY, BEING THAT I'M SHOWING THAT I AM A SUBSCRIBER TO YOUR SERVICE, THEN AUTOMATICALLY IN DOMINION POWERS DATABASE THEY GO, OKAY, HE'S A SUBSCRIBER. 
          EXACTLY. 
          NOW I KNOCKED 20% OFF. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THE SUBSCRIPTION COSTS NOTHING. 
          IT COSTS NOTHING TO SUBSCRIBE. 
          YOU'RE PAYING FOR THE CREDITS IN LIEU OF YOUR ELECTRIC BILL. 
          NOW IS THAT, CAN THAT CHANGE IN THREE YEARS IF YOUR COST OF RUNNING THAT FACILITY GOES UP? CAN IT BE A NOTICE SENT OUT? THE SUBSCRIPTION NOW IS GOING TO COST X NUMBER OF DOLLARS TO GET A 20% DISCOUNT. 
          IT'S TIED TO THE RETAIL RATES. SO, WE KNOW ELECTRICITY PRICES GO UP, ESPECIALLY IN THE TIME THEY'RE LIVING IN TODAY. IT IS PEGGED TO A DISCOUNT OFF OF THE RETAIL RATE. SO, IF DOMINION'S RATE INCREASES, SO, TOO WOULD YOU KNOW WOULD BE YOUR THE COST OF YOUR BILL BECAUSE THE CREDITS ARE OFFSETTING THE ELECTRONS THAT USE FROM DOMINION'S GRID. THE CREDITS THEMSELVES DON'T HAVE A FIXED COST. IT JUST IS MEANT TO OFFSET THE POWER YOU'RE OTHERWISE USING FROM DOMINION. THEY WOULD STILL BE AT THAT FIXED DISCOUNT. SO, IF YOU SUBSCRIBE, IT WAS A 20, A 20% DISCOUNT AND YOUR BILL JUMPED FROM $100 TO $200. GOD FORBID IT WOULD STILL BE A 20% DISCOUNT FROM A $20 SAVINGS TO A $40 SAVING. SO, IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE LESS THAN WHAT YOU WOULD OTHERWISE PAY. 
          STANDARD RETAILER RATES FROM DOMINION. 
          SO, THE 20% IS A SET IN STONE. 
          YES, THAT'S. THAT'S OUTLINED IN THE SUBSCRIBER AGREEMENT THAT YOU WOULD ENTER INTO BY PARTICIPATING. 
          AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH DIFFERENT THAT THE OFFER THAT YOU'RE MAKING HERE FOR SOUTHAMPTON RESIDENTS VERSUS WHERE OTHER SUBSCRIPTIONS MAY BE ON A DIFFERENT TIER. 10%, 5% 18%? YEAH. 
          IT'S WHAT THE MARKET COMMANDS. 
          RIGHT. WE FIND THAT TYPICAL PROJECTS LIKE DO THE MARKETS CAN OFFER A 10% DISCOUNT AND PEOPLE WILL SUBSCRIBE. WE'RE SAYING HERE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHILE ANY DOMINION CUSTOMER AND SUBSCRIBE TO THIS PROJECT, WE FIND THAT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO PRIORITIZE THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY WHERE THE PROJECT IS LOCATED. SO, WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS IN THIS CASE, WE'D BE WILLING TO OFFER PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT, PREFERENTIAL DISCOUNTS TO RESIDENTS WHERE THE PROJECT IS LOCATED TO LET THEM BE THE FIRST ONES TO SUBSCRIBE AND ALSO, HAVE A HIGHER DISCOUNT THAN WHAT WE WOULD OFFER SOMEONE IN THE NEXT COUNTY OVER, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          AND YOU ALL, IN THIS SCENARIO WOULD BE SENDING OUT FIRST NOTICE COMMUNICATIONS TO KNOWN DOMINION CUSTOMERS. 
          WHAT WE WOULD DO TO SUBSCRIBE THE PROJECT IS WORK WITH THE COUNTY, YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OFFICE, LOCAL NONPROFITS IN THE AREA, CIVIC GROUPS. IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC ORGANIZATIONS, YOU'D LIKE US TO TALK TO, WE'D BE HAPPY TO DO IT. TO PARTNER WITH THEM FOR INFORMATIONAL MEETINGS SIMILAR TO THE COMMUNITY MEETING FOR THIS PROJECT, TO LET PEOPLE BE AWARE THAT THIS PROJECT IS COMING. HERE ARE THE BENEFITS AND HERE'S HOW YOU CAN SUBSCRIBE TO RECEIVE THE BENEFITS OF THE PROJECT. 
          AND THE REASON WHY I ASKED THAT, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES, IN MANY DIFFERENT THINGS, THERE MAY BE A BENEFIT IN A PROGRAM OR WHATEVER LIKE THAT, AND THERE MAY BE A 30 TO 60 DAY WINDOW ON IT. AND MOST PEOPLE DON'T GET KNOWLEDGE OF IT TO LIKE DAY 58. 
          SURE. 
          WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THIS. 
          UNDER THE PROGRAM, WE CAN SUBSCRIBE ANYONE IN DOMINION. AND AT A CERTAIN POINT, THIS IS A BUSINESS. RIGHT. WE WOULD NEED TO FIND SUBSCRIBERS WHETHER YOU'RE SOMEONE ELSE. 
          WE WOULD LIKE TO GIVE RESIDENTS OF THIS COUNTY THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO SUBSCRIBE. SO, THAT'D BE A COMBINATION OF MAILERS, EVENTS, OTHER WAYS TO MAKE PEOPLE AWARE THIS IS COMING, TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUBSCRIBE. 
          THAT WAS MY QUESTION ALONG THE LINES OF FIRST NOTICE. BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY MUCH SIMILAR TO AN IPO OFFERING ON A PIECE OF STOCK. YOU GET THE FIRST THING OUT AND THEN IT GOES TO MARKET. EVERYBODY ELSE. 
          YEAH, FULL TRANSPARENCY. IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T WAIT FOREVER TO GO TO LARGE MARKET, BUT WE WOULD WANT TO PROVIDE THAT OPPORTUNITY AND WORK WITH THE COUNTY TO LET AS MANY PEOPLE KNOW AS POSSIBLE TO BE ABLE TO SUBSCRIBE. 
          THANK YOU. 
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THANK YOU. THE LAST BULLET HERE ON THE SUMMARY, COUNTY REVENUE. CURRENTLY THE SITE IS A UNDEVELOPED FARM FIELD. FAIRLY LOW PROPERTY TAX WITH RESPECT TO LAND TAX FOR THE COUNTY. 
          BY BUILDING THIS SITE, THAT WOULD RESULT IN AN INCREASE IN COUNTY TAX REVENUE UNDER CURRENT TAX METHODOLOGY. 
          MACHINERY AND TOOLS TAX. WE EXPECT THAT OVER THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT, THE PROJECT WOULD CREATE AROUND $173,000 OF ADDITIONAL M AND T TAX VALUE ABOVE AND BEYOND THE STANDARD PROPERTY TAX THAT THE LAND CONTRIBUTES. 
          SO, OVER 35 YEARS, THE COUNTY WOULD GET $173,000 UNDER STANDARD MACHINERY AND TOOLS TAX. 
          UNDER STATE LEGISLATION, THE COUNTY CAN ALSO, ADOPT A REVENUE SHARE AGREEMENT, WHICH IS A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT TAX METHODOLOGY. AND WE HAVE A SLIDE ON THAT TOWARDS THE END, WHICH WOULD CREATE ADDITIONAL REVENUE FOR COUNTY. YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND OVER THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT, THAT'S NOT DONE. 
          BUT WE THINK FARMLAND FOR 35 YEARS AND THE COUNTY ONLY GETS 173,000. 
          THAT IS. 
          THAT'S PEANUTS. 
          THAT'S ONE OF THE BENEFITS, IN ADDITION TO THE BENEFITS THAT SUBSCRIBERS WOULD GET FROM THE PROJECT. 
          BUT YOU JUST SAID THAT IF WE DON'T GET OUR RESIDENTS LOCK ON, OTHER PEOPLE IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS WILL LOCK ONTO IT EVENTUALLY. 
          WE WOULD NEED TO GO OUT TOMORROW IF THERE WAS AN INTEREST TO DR. EVERETT'S POINT. THERE COULD BE A LOT OF INTEREST WHERE MORE RESIDENTS THAN THIS PROJECT COULD PROVIDE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SUBSCRIBING. AND THEN WE COULD LOOK AT OUR OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE THAT ARE OPEN TO SUBSCRIBERS. 
          LET ME BE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE HERE. 
          SURE. 
          SAY ON YOUR INITIAL NOTIFICATION, AND WE HAVE, SAY, A 800 PERSON SHARE OF IT, BUT SAY ON DAY THREE, BEING THAT IT'S OPEN, YOU GET 07,000 REQUESTS. 
          THAT'D BE FANTASTIC. 
          BUT DO YOU THEN OUT OF THAT, 07,000 SOUTHAMPTON RESIDENTS GET FIRST CHOICE? YES. 
          BEFORE WE WOULD ADVERTISE TO THE LARGER MARKET, WE WOULD FIRST ADVERTISE TO SOUTHAMPTON. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING WE'RE WILLING TO DO HERE. AND IF 800 HOUSES COME IN THE FIRST THREE DAYS AND SUBSCRIBE TO THE PRODUCT, AND THERE ISN'T A NEED TO GO OUT TO THE WIRE MARKET. THAT'S FANTASTIC. 
          ONE QUESTION ABOUT YOUR ADVERTISING. SURE. WE ALREADY HAD ISSUES WITH THE COMMUNITY, THE COMMUNITY MEETING THE FIRST TIME. SO, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT OUR COUNTY RESIDENTS GET PROMOTED? WE WOULD WORK WITH YOU TO DISCUSS HOW THE COUNTY WOULD WANT US TO MARKET THIS. WE HAVE OUR STANDARD MAILERS, YOU KNOW, ADS AND PAPERS, LIKE I MENTIONED. YOU KNOW, HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY TO IDENTIFY ANY AND ALL AVENUES. HAPPY TO COME BACK AT A COUNTY BOARD MEETING IN A YEAR WHEN WE'RE READY TO SUBSCRIBE. HAPPY TO WORK WITH LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE COUNTY'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OFFICE, LIKE OTHER NONPROFITS AND OTHER CIVIC GROUPS. GROUPS TO MAKE PEOPLE AWARE THAT THE PROJECT IS COMING. SO, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND WE HAD MISCOMMUNICATION ON THE NOTICE FOR THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S CLEAR THERE, YOU KNOW, IS NO COUNTY STANDARD ON HOW TO DO THIS. WE WOULD BE WORKING TOGETHER TO IDENTIFY HOW DO WE REACH THE MOST PEOPLE POSSIBLE. 
          BUT YOU SAID THIS WASN'T YOUR FIRST PROJECT. SO, HOW DO YOU DO IT IN OTHER COUNTIES? SURE. 
          MAILERS. IT'S WORKING WITH THE COUNTY TO IDENTIFY THOSE ORGANIZATIONS THAT THEY'D WANT US TO TALK TO. 
          HOW MANY ISLE OF WIGHT ARE DOING IT? WE HAVE A PRODUCT IN ISLE OF WIGHT. I THINK IT'S AROUND THIS SIZE. AND SO, IT WOULD BE SIMILARLY 800 TO 1,000 HOMES. 
          AND HOW MANY CONTRACTS HAVE YOU GOT THERE? WE HAVE ONE PROJECT IN ISLE OF WIGHT. I WOULD NEED TO LOOK AT THE SUBSCRIBER COMPOSITION OF THAT PROJECT. I DON'T HAVE THAT OFFHAND. 
          BUT YOU COULD PUT THIS FACILITY IN ANY LOCATION IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. 
          ANY LOCATION WHERE? IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU PUT IT ANYWHERE IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY RESIDENTS WOULD HAVE FIRST CHOICE AT IT. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AS PART OF OUR APPLICATION WITH RESPECT TO PROJECT LOCATION. I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION. I BELIEVE THAT'S MY NEXT SLIDE. I KNOW THERE ARE QUESTIONS AT THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND HOW WE PICKED THIS LOCATION SPECIFICALLY. SO, THIS IS JUST A ZOOMED OUT VERSION OF OUR SITE PLAN. YOU CAN SEE KIND OF THE GENERAL AREA WHERE WE'RE LOCATED, HOW WE PICK THESE SITES. THERE IS SEVERAL CRITERIA NECESSARY TO IDENTIFY A SITE THAT'S SUITABLE FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND SHARED SOLAR IS NO DIFFERENT THINGS WE'RE LOOKING FOR. WE'RE LOOKING FOR A SITE THAT IS LARGE ENOUGH TO HOST THE PROJECT. SO, LIKE I MENTIONED, THIS SITE IS 40 ACRES. TYPICALLY PROJECTS OF OUR SIZE ARE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 30 AND 50 ACRES. AND WE NEED TO ENSURE THERE'S SUFFICIENT SPACE FOR BOTH THE PROJECT ITSELF AS WELL AS OUR 
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ABILITY TO COMPLY WITH SETBACKS AND VEGETATIVE SCREENING AND OTHER REQUIREMENTS THAT THE COUNTY MAY HAVE. SO, THIS SITE MADE SENSE BECAUSE IT WAS OF A SIZE THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE THE SYSTEM. IT NEEDS TO HAVE SUITABLE OF PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS OF THE SITE. IT CAN'T BE VERY STEEP. SO, WE LIKE THIS SITE WAS RELATIVELY FLAT. THAT ELIMINATES THE NEED TO DO EXTENSIVE GRADING AND EARTHWORK. WE LIKE THAT THE SITE FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL PERSPECTIVE. YOU KNOW, VERY EARLY IN OUR DEVELOPMENT WE DID WETLAND DELINEATION SURVEYS. WE REVIEWED THE SITE FOR POTENTIAL IMPACT TO PROTECTED SPECIES AND FOUND THAT THIS SITE COULD BE DEVELOPED IN A WAY THAT WOULD NOT RESULT IN AN IMPACT. WE LOOKED AT THE COUNTY COMP PLAN AND ZONING AND NOW WE'LL TALK ON THAT MORE IN DEPTH LATER. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE COUNTY WAS REALLY INTERESTED IN NOT DEVELOPING SITES ON PRIME FARMLAND. AND THIS IS NOT PRIME FARMLAND IN ITS CURRENT STATE. 
          THAT'S A QUESTION. 
          SURE. 
          REPEAT THAT AGAIN. 
          SURE. 
          I UNDERSTAND IN THE COUNTY'S COMP PLAN AMONG THE CRITERIA FOR EVALUATING SITES FOR SOLAR PROJECTS BELIEVE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SPECIFICALLY SAYS WE IDEALLY DO NOT WANT SITES ON PRIME FARMLAND WHICH IS A SPECIFIC LIKE USDA SOIL DESIGNATION. 
          SO, AN ADVANTAGE OF THE SITES. THIS IS NOT PRIME FARMLAND IN ITS CURRENT FORM. 
          IT'S PRIME FARMLAND IF DRAINED AND IT IS NOT CURRENTLY DRAINED. SO, IT DOES NOT. 
          THAT'S A DIFFERENT CATEGORY THAN PRIME FARMLAND. 
          WELL, THE PEANUTS AND CORN ON IT RIGHT NOW LOOK PRETTY GOOD. 
          I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, SIR, IT'S THE PRETTIEST CORN AND PEANUTS IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. 
          I UNDERSTAND CRIME FARM. 
          LADY OBAMA IS. AND I DON'T KNOW WHO TO LOOK. THAT'S NOT QUITE. 
          YOU BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT. I DON'T KNOW. HAVE YOU LOOKED AT IT? I DID. 
          I DROVE THAT TO SITE TODAY. I DID. I SAW THE QUERN ON IT. 
          WELL, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU. 
          BUT THEY'RE DOING A TREMENDOUS JOB. THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. I QUESTION YOUR ASSESSMENT OF THAT PROPERTY. 
          WELL, IT'S REALLY NOT MY ASSESSMENT ON THAT STANDARD. 
          PRIME FARMLAND SOILS OF STATEWIDE IMPORTANCE. PRIME FARMLAND HISTORY LIKE THESE ARE USDA OR NRCS DESIGNATIONS. 
          IF IT'S MAKING A CROP THIS YEAR WITH THE WEATHER PATTERNS WE HAVE, IT'S THE BEST FARMLAND IN THE COUNTY. OKAY, OKAY. BUT THE WEATHER. I DON'T CARE WHAT SOIL SCIENTISTS, I DON'T CARE WHO, WHAT KIND OF DEGREE THEY HAVE. IT SHOWS FOR ITSELF. 
          OKAY, SURE, SURE. I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S IN YOUR COMPOST. NO, I APPRECIATE IT. 
          THAT'S MY EXPERTISE. 
          I APPRECIATE. 
          THE OTHER THING THAT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO ASSESSING A SITE'S VIABILITY IS PROXIMITY TO EXISTING DISTRIBUTION LINES THAT HAVE OPEN CAPACITY THAT CAN HOST A PROJECT. SO, THIS SITE HAS AN EXISTING DISTRIBUTION LINE JUST ON THE NORTH SIDE OF MEHERRIN ROAD. WE ARE CURRENTLY DOING AN INTERCONNECTION STUDY WITH DOMINION CURRENTLY AND WHAT WE FOUND IS THIS DISTRIBUTION LINE HAS AVAILABLE CAPACITY ON ITS CIRCUIT AS WELL AS AT THE SUB. SUBSTATION. THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE LOOKED AT BECAUSE ELECTRICALLY YOU CANNOT PUT THESE PROJECTS ANYWHERE. THERE NEEDS TO BE SUFFICIENT ELECTRICAL CAPACITY ON THE GRID TO BE ABLE TO INTERCONNECT. AND IF THERE ISN'T, THAT RESULTS IN LARGE SCALE UPGRADES THAT ARE NECESSARY TO THE DISTRIBUTION LINES AND THE SUBSTATION. AND THAT IS OFTEN VERY INTENSIVE WITH RESPECT TO WHAT THAT MEANS FROM LIKE A CONSTRUCTION AND PLANNING STANDPOINT. THIS PROJECT ON THE OTHER HAND, BECAUSE THERE IS PROXIMITY TO AN EXISTING DISTRIBUTION LINE. 
          IT'S A FAIRLY SIMPLE ELECTRICAL SETUP. 
          I'M GOING TO INTERRUPT AGAIN. 
          SURE. THIS IS GOOD. SO, DO YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE IT'S IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO? WHAT'S THAT? WHICH IS VERY MAJOR AND VERY LIMITED IN SIGHT OF THE CAVITY. AND I'M SURE MR. PRINCE SHARED IT WITH YOU. THE GRAVITY SEWER LINE ON THE HIGHWAY. 
          THE SEWER LINE ON THE HIGHWAY. 
          THE SEWER LINE FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL GOES RIGHT DOWN 35. OKAY. WHICH MAKES IT. 
          IF IT HAD TO BE USED AS SOMETHING OTHER THAN AGRICULTURAL USES WOULD BE PRIME DEVELOPMENT AREA. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          NO, I APPRECIATE YOU. AND I WAS. 
          YOU KNEW THAT. 
          RIGHT? I WAS PERSONALLY NOT AWARE I'D BE. I'M FEELING IT FOR SOMEONE ELSE TONIGHT. I'M SURE. 
          LINE THAT YOU CERTIFIED. 
          NO, I DID NOT. DID I SHARE. 
          IT'S NOT. ARE YOU SAYING IT'S NOT? NO, I SAID I DID NOT SHARE THAT INFORMATION. 
          YOU DID NOT SHARE IT WITH HIM? NO, I DID NOT. 
          WELL, UNDERSTAND THAT WAS PRUDENT INFORMATION. 
          THERE IT IS. BUT I DID. 
          IT'S A GRAVITY SEWER, MY FRIEND. YEAH. 
          IN THE MIDDLE. 
          SHARE THAT WITH THE. 
          WITH THE APPLICANT EARLY ON IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD? YES. 
          YES. 
          THE GRAVITY. 
          THAT WAS PERTINENT INFORMATION. 
          YES, IT IS PERTINENT. 
          AND HOW IS IT LISTED? YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? THAT'S THE RIGHT. 
          I NOTED IT IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT IT IS THE FUTURE. 
          WAS THAT BROUGHT OUT? I HOPE IT WAS. 
          YES, IT'S IN THE. IN MY STAFF REPORT. 
          FOR INDUSTRIAL. 
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NO, THE FUTURE OR RESIDENTIAL. 
          2. YOU'VE GOT FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR THIS PARCEL IS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IS NOTED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND IT ALSO, TALKS ABOUT THE. AS REFERENCED IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCE ASSESSMENT. THAT IT IS THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROMOTES SOLAR ENERGY STORAGE. 
          I MEAN, I'M SORRY. ENCOURAGES DEVELOPMENT OF ALTERNATIVE ENERGY PRODUCTION INCLUDING SOLAR POWER GENERATION. 
          ON THAT PARCEL? YES, ON THAT PARCEL. 
          ON PROPERTIES THAT CONSIST OF LESS PRODUCTIVE FARM AND FOREST LAND. THAT'S WHAT'S IN MY STAFF REPORT. NOW I KNOW IT HAS CROPS CURRENTLY GROWING. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT. IT JUST WASN'T DESIGNATED AS PRIME FARMLAND IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT WAS LISTED AS IN THE FUTURE. 
          IN THE FUTURE IT MAY BE FIVE YEARS, MAYBE 25 YEARS OUT. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT MAY BE SUITABLE FOR EXPANDED RESIDENTIAL USE. CORRECT. 
          THAT'S WHAT IT'S SHOWING IN THE CONFERENCE PLAN. 
          AND DID YOU SHARE THAT WITH THE APPLICANT? THAT WE'RE AWARE OF. 
          WE KNOW. 
          ONE MINUTE. I'M A CHAIRMAN. 
          HOLD ON. 
          TWO THINGS. 
          LET'S GET THE FACTS OUT HERE. 
          DID YOU SHARE THAT WITH THE APPLICANT EARLY ON? NOT ABOUT THE SENSORY SEWER OR. 
          AND WHAT WAS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CLEAR ABOUT FOR FUTURE LAND DEVELOPMENT? IT'S ABOUT THE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND IT PROMOTES ENERGY STORAGE. I MEAN, SORRY, SOLAR POWER GENERATION. 
          I THINK YOU. SO, IT'S BOTH. 
          YOU'RE TRYING TO BLEND THAT. 
          NO, IT'S JUST WHAT'S IN THE PLAN. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT'S LISTED, SIR. 
          IT'S IN THE PLAN. 
          BATTERY STORAGE. 
          NOT BATTERY STORAGE. I'M SORRY? IT'S NOT BATTERY STORAGE. 
          SOLAR POWER GENERATION ON THAT PART OF LAND? ON PROPERTY? NO, IT SAYS ON PROPERTIES THAT CONSISTS OF LESS PRODUCTIVE FARM AND FOREST LAND THAT'S ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTY. 
          OKAY, WELL, THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          BUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS IT'S IN THE FUTURE. WE SEE IT AS A. BEING DEVELOPED TO A NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. CORRECT. 
          IT TALKS ABOUT BOTH. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT DOES TALK ABOUT THE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE OF THE GRAVITY SEWER. THE GRAVITY SEWER IS. 
          THAT'S A. THAT'S A GOLDEN STRAND GRAVITY SEWER. AND YOU DIDN'T MENTION THAT. YOU DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS IMPORTANT? NO, I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT, BUT I DID NOT MENTION THIS TO THEM BECAUSE THAT WAS. THAT WAS PROBABLY ADDRESSED. 
          THIS IS AN APPLICANT THAT SPENT THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU DIDN'T MENTION THAT. 
          IT WAS PROBABLY IDENTIFIED IN THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCE PLAN. IS PROBABLY IN THERE. 
          SO, THEY'RE. 
          AREN'T YOU AN ENVIRONMENTAL SPECIALIST? THEY'RE AWARE OF THAT. THEY'RE AWARE OF THE UTILITIES IN THE AREA. 
          AREN'T YOU AN ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEER? YES, I AM. 
          AND YOU DIDN'T ANSWER THAT. 
          THEY ALREADY ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT. 
          ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT? HE MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR. 
          I PERSONALLY WAS NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT. 
          YOU WEREN'T? I'M FEELING I WOULD DEFER TO OUR COUNCIL AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULT ANYWHERE HERE WITH US. 
          I THINK WE FELL SHORT OF YOU, SIR. YES, SIR. 
          THIS GOES DEEPER THAN THAT. 
          THAN WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          THIS GOES BACK TO PLANNING. I'M REALLY HONEST IN PUBLIC ABOUT THAT. THE PLAN BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WASN'T AWARE OF. OKAY. FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE NO LONGER WORKING WITH US. THAT'S WHERE THIS PROJECT STARTED. 
          OKAY. I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. ANYWAY, SIR, THANK YOU. IT FEELS LIKE YOU WEREN'T PROPERLY INFORMED AND I'M GOING TO SAY FROM THE COUNTY, WE APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. I'M GOING TO APOLOGIZE. I HAD NO KNOWING OF IT, BUT I DID QUESTION. I WAS AT BOTH THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND I QUESTIONED YOUR REPRESENTATIVES. HAD YOU READ THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? SURE. 
          AND I WAS TOLD THEY HAD. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          THE ONLY QUESTION I ASKED THOSE MEETINGS, DID YOU? AND THEY SAID THEY DID. SO, THAT BEING SAID, I GUESS YOU WERE AWARE, YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN AWARE OF WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT AS FUTURE LAND EXPANSION IN THAT AREA WHENEVER THAT TIME COMES. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT AND I WILL SAY WE ARE AWARE OF WHAT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP SAYS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE. WE HAVE READ THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          THERE IS A SECTION IN THIS PRESENTATION SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT MY COLLEAGUE MATT WILL COME UP AND DISCUSS. SO, I'M HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THAT FURTHER. 
          ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD, PLEASE. 
          SURE. WHERE DO WE LEAVE OFF ACCESS HELPFUL HERE THAT WE ARE IN AN AREA WHERE WE CAN COMPLY WITH VDOT STANDARDS FOR CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCES. IT HELPS THAT WE ARE IN CLOSED PROCESS PROXIMITY TO US 58, SOUTHAMPTON PARKWAY 
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FROM AN ACCESS STANDPOINT. AND THEN LASTLY, AS WE'RE CITING PROJECTS, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE CRITERIA IDENTIFYING THE SITES THAT COULD COMPLY WITH ALL THESE OR AS MANY OF THESE AS WE CAN. AND WE REACH OUT TO LANDOWNERS WHO OWN PARCELS THAT FIT THIS CRITERIA. 
          BUT WE NEED TO HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH SOMEONE WHO IS INTERESTED IN LEASING OR SELLING THEIR LAND FOR THE LONG TERM. SO, IN THIS CASE, THIS OWNER WAS VERY INTERESTED IN EVALUATING THEIR SITE FOR A POTENTIAL SOLAR LEASE, WHICH IS HOW WE GOT HERE TODAY. 
          THIS IS OUR PROJECT LAYOUT. 
          JUST, I KNOW I'M GOING LONG HERE. SO, JUST TO GIVE A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW, LIKE I MENTIONED, 4.3, 4.4 MEGAWATTS AC. THIS IS A SINGLE AXIS TRACKER PROJECT. THE ROW, AS YOU CAN SEE FOR THE PANELS ARE RUNNING NORTH SOUTH. THESE SILENTLY TRACK THE MOVEMENT OF THE SUN THROUGHOUT THE DAY, WHICH IS HELPFUL FROM A PRODUCTION STANDPOINT. 
          THEY'RE RELATIVELY LOW IN HEIGHT. TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE FOLLOWING THE GRADE OF THE LAMP, GENERALLY BETWEEN 8 AND 10FT FROM GROUND TO TOP OF PANEL AT MAX TILT. 
          SO, IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, FAIRLY LOW PROFILE. THE PROJECT AS CURRENTLY PROPOSED, IS MAINTAINING 100 FOOT SETBACKS FROM ALL PROPERTIES IN RESIDENTIAL USE WHICH IS COMPLIANT WITH THE ZONING CODE. AND THEN FURTHER, ONE THING THAT WE REALLY LIKE ABOUT THE SITE IS THE ROBUST VEGETATIVE SCREENING TO THE SOUTHWEST OF THE PROJECT AND THE ADDITIONAL LAND AROUND THE PERIMETER THAT WE CAN UTILIZE FOR FUTURE PROPOSED SCREENING. 
          AND IN OUR LAYOUT, WE WERE REALLY CAREFUL AND THOUGHTFUL WITH RESPECT TO THE CODE AND THE COMP PLAN AND THE FEATURE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS LIKE HOW WE DESIGN THIS TO BE AS THOUGHTFUL AND AS IMPACTFUL AS POSSIBLE. SO, BY DESIGNING IT THIS WAY AND KIND OF CONSOLIDATING US TO THE CENTER, THAT GIVES US SPACE AT THE PERIMETER FOR A VERY ROBUST LANDSCAPE BUFFER. 
          COMBINED WITH A NEW PROPOSED FOUR FOOT BERM TOGETHER WHICH WILL SHIELD THE PROJECT FROM VIEW. THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER ITSELF WOULD BE A COMBINATION OF EVERGREEN TREES AND DECIDUOUS TREES AND SHRUBS. 
          AND WE FIND THAT'S A GOOD COMBINATION BECAUSE IT PROVIDES YEAR LONG SCREENING BUT ALSO, PROVIDES SEASONAL INTEREST WITH THE HARDWOODS. WE PROVIDE A VISUAL SIMULATIONS. I APOLOGIZE, THIS IS A LITTLE SMALL ON THE SLIDE. THIS IS PART OF OUR APPLICATION, SO, I HOPE THE COMMISSION HAS COPIES OF THIS. THIS IS SIMPLY A REPRESENTATION OF WHAT THE SITE WOULD LOOK LIKE. PRETTY CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS THE TOP LEFT HAND CORNER IMMEDIATELY POST CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS WHEN THE BERM AND THE INITIAL VEGETATIVE SCREENING ARE PLANTED AND THEN OVER TIME AS THE TREES MATURE AND GROW, WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE YEARS INTO OPERATION. SO, WITH THESE TOGETHER ALONGSIDE THE LOW PROFILE OF THE, THE MODULES THEMSELVES, WE FEEL LIKE THIS WOULD BE VERY EFFECTIVELY SCREENED FROM THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. I KNOW THERE ARE SEVERAL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE. I KNOW THAT'S BEEN A LOT OF CALL FOR DISCUSSION OVER THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS. 
          YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT WE LIKE ABOUT THIS SITE IS THAT IT IS IN A LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, BUT STILL SOMEWHAT RESIDENTIAL AREA COMBINED WITH KIND OF OTHER MIXED USES. WE KNOW THAT THERE'S THE VDOT COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS OR SO, NORTH OF US. I KNOW THERE IS A CELL PHONE TOWER LOCATED TO THE SOUTH OF US ON WHITE HOUSE ROAD. WE FIND THAT SOLAR WORKS REALLY WELL IN THESE LIMINAL SPACES WHERE IT'S KIND OF BETWEEN TRADITIONAL AGRICULTURAL AND MORE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL USES BECAUSE THEY ARE VERY LOW INTENSIVE WITH RESPECT TO THEIR OPERATION. THEY ARE QUIET, THEY DON'T CREATE TRAFFIC OR SOUND. AND ONCE OPERATIONAL, IT IS A KIND OF QUIET SYSTEM. UNDERNEATH THE PANELS WE PLANT NATIVE POLLINATOR SPECIES. SO, WHAT YOU WOULD ULTIMATELY SEE HERE IS A QUIET FACILITY TO THE EXTENT YOU COULD SEE IT SURROUNDED BY LOTS OF LANDSCAPING TREES WITHIN A PLANTED NATIVE MEADOW. 
          SO, WE FIND THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY A GREAT NEIGHBOR FOR AREAS. 
          SURE, I CAN DO IT BECAUSE I'M SITTING UP HERE. OF COURSE, I'VE HEARD THIS STORY BEFORE ABOUT WHAT, SEVEN YEARS AGO NOW? ABOUT SEVEN YEARS AGO, SAME STORY, VIRGINIA TECH. I DON'T KNOW IF VIRGINIA TECH PATRIOTS IN HERE OR NOT. THEY WERE DEVELOPING A NEW GRASS CALLED BLUEGRASS AND IT WAS SO, ROBUST IT DIDN'T REQUIRE ANY FERTILIZATION. GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE MINUTES SEVEN YEARS AGO AND IT WAS SO, THICK THE WEEDS WOULDN'T PERMEATE IT. AND YOU ONLY NEED TWO CLIPPINGS A YEAR. 
          WELL, GUESS WHAT? WHAT? IT DID 
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NEVER HAPPEN IN OUR FIRST PROJECT. SO, MEADOW SOUNDS A BEAUTIFUL WORD. 
          EVEN MY COPIOUS I CAN'T SERVE A MEADOW BECAUSE I STILL HAVE TO CUT THE WEEDS OUT WITH THE MOWER. BUT IT'S A BEAUTIFUL WORD BECAUSE SCIENCE SO, PRESTIGIOUS. BUT I WISH THEY'RE GROWING THE PRETTIEST WEEDS OVER IN NEWSOM IN BOYKINS, MR. MANN. 
          OVER YOUR NECK OF THE WOODS TOO. AND THEY CAN'T CUT THEM FAST ENOUGH. 
          SO, HAVE YOU GOT A NEW GRASS THAT DOESN'T GROW VERY FAST AND IS WEED FREE? WELL, WE DO PROPOSE IS LOW GROWTH POLLINATOR SPECIES THAT DO GROW SLOWLY AND KNOW ONLY REACH SO, HIGH BECAUSE WE CAN'T HAVE THEM SHADE THE PANELS. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY OF THOSE? OR WE COULD GO TO SLEEP IN THE AREA THAT WE COULD GO. 
          I'D BE HAPPY TO LOOK AT WHAT IS CURRENTLY OPERATIONAL. SURE. 
          HAPPY TO DO IT. SURE. AND IF THIS PROJECT WERE TO MOVE FORWARD, OF COURSE AFTER THE REZONING AND THE CODE, WE WILL GO THROUGH THE FINAL SITE PLAN PROCESS WHERE WE WOULD PROVIDE MORE DETAILED ENGINEERING THAT WOULD INCLUDE THINGS LIKE LANDSCAPE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE UTILIZING SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY IS SATISFIED WITH. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          SURE. SO, THAT'S THE END OF MY BIT FOR NOW. WE HAVE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DISCUSSION. 
          SO, AT THIS POINT I'LL INVITE MATT ROBERTS FROM HERSCHLER UP HERE TO TALK TO THAT SECTION. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I'LL BE BACK IN A LITTLE BIT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          I'M SORRY, I KNOW THERE'S SOME BUSINESSES BEHIND THIS FACILITY THAT'S UP CLOSE TO 58. I THINK IT'S A PEANUT COMPANY AND A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY. NOW CAN THEY APPLY FOR THESE CREDITS OR IS IT STRICTLY HIGH SOLDIERS THAT CAN APPLY? IT'S A RESIDENTIAL PROGRAM. 
          RESIDENTIAL? YES, SIR. 
          WELL, GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, DR. EDWARDS, MATT ROBERTS WITH HERSCHLER HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. 
          APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S TIME AND ALL THE QUESTIONS SO, FAR I'M GOING TO ADDRESS JUST VERY BRIEFLY BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE COVERED SOME OF THIS ALREADY. SO, EXCUSE ME IF WE RETREAD A LITTLE BIT OF GROUND HERE. I DID WANT TO COVER VERY BRIEFLY THE SUBSTANTIAL ACCORD COMPONENT WHICH IS REQUIRED WITH ANY OF THESE APPLICATIONS UNDER THE VIRGINIA CODE. AND THAT IS EFFECTIVELY LOOKING AT WHERE YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE FACILITY OVERLAP AND WHETHER THERE'S CONFORMANCE BETWEEN THE TWO. NOTE THAT STANDARD IS SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE OR SUBSTANTIAL ACCORD UNDER THE VIRGINIA CODE. 
          SO, NOT COMPLETE ACCORD, NOT EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN. 
          BUT DO WE LARGELY MEASURE UP? AND I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT BECAUSE OF WHAT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS FROM THE START. YOU KNOW, THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN HAS BEEN MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES ALREADY. A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS MULTIPLE COMPONENTS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, BECAUSE YOU DO RECOMMEND AND THE BOARD ULTIMATELY APPROVES YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND SO, WHAT WE LOOKED AT WAS A WIDE SWATH OF WHAT YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COVERS, BOTH IN TERMS OF FUTURE LAND USE, BUT ALSO, ENERGY POLICY, FACILITY POLICIES, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THAT, THE FIRST THING THAT WE NOTICED AND THAT WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT, SO, I WON'T BELABOR. THE POINT IS YOU DO NOT WANT TO SEE THESE ON PRIME FARMLAND, WHICH, AGAIN, THE USDA DESIGNATION. 
          WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK ABOUT THE PRODUCTION ON THE SITE, HOW YOU KNOW HOW IT IS. YOU CAN YEAR OVER YEAR, THAT TYPE OF THING. BUT THIS SITE IS OVER 80% DESIGNATED PRIME FARMLAND ONLY IF DRAINED. THE LANDOWNER DOES NOT CURRENTLY HAVE A SYSTEM IN PLACE TO FACILITATE THE ONGOING DRAINAGE OF THE SITE. AND SO, AS YOU WOULD NOTICE OUT THERE YEAR OVER YEAR, THAT CROP PRODUCTION MAY NOT BE EXACTLY THE SAME. YOU ALSO, TALK ABOUT FORESTED AREAS AND NOT WANTING TO INTRUDE ON FORESTED AREAS. THIS SITE HAS APPROXIMATELY 7.2 ACRES THAT ARE CURRENTLY FORESTED. 
          I'M SORRY, I'M INTERJECT AGAIN, APOLOGIZE. WHO TOLD YOU WE WOULDN'T GO INTO FORESTED AREAS? WHO SAID THAT? IT'S IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SIR. 
          NOW, WE. WE HAVE A PERCENTAGE. 
          CORRECT. A FORESTED AREA AS OPPOSED TO CLEARED LAND. 
          CORRECT. AND WE HAVE A RATIO THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING, MR. PRINCE, ISN'T THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO, WHY ARE WE GETTING INFORMATION THAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT FOREST AND LAND ACROSS. 
          WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THAT. 
          THEY ADDRESSED THAT, I'M SURE, IN THEIR. IN THEIR PACKAGE. 
          SO, WE ALL. WE DO WELCOME INTO FORESTED AREAS. SURE. 
          SO, THERE IS LANGUAGE IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ABOUT PUTTING THAT ON LESS PRODUCTIVE FARM AND FOREST LAND. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S TO THE EXCLUSION OF ALL FOREST LAND. 
          BUT MY POINT IS ONLY TO SAY THAT THIS SITE DOES HAVE SOME PROTECTED AREAS WITHIN THAT FOREST. FORESTED, PARTED, WETLANDS, CORRECT? YES, SIR. SO, WE'RE KEEPING. 
          THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GETTING TO. 
          SO, ROUGHLY, FORESTED AREA, WETLANDS. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF ALL OF IT IS, BUT WE ARE STAYING OUT OF THE ENTIRETY OF THAT 7.2 ACRES THAT IS FORESTED. THE MAJORITY OF IT IS WITHIN WETLANDS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO, WE'D BE STAYING ENTIRELY OUT OF THAT. 
          ONE OTHER COMPONENT OF YOUR 
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COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS A LIMIT OF BEING, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT OUTSIDE THE LIMITS OF ONE MILE FROM AN INCORPORATED AREA. 
          IN THIS CASE, WE ARE NEAR THE TOWN OF CORTLAND, BUT WE ARE OUTSIDE OF THAT LIMIT AS PROPOSED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. YOU ALSO, HAVE SORT OF LIMITS ON HOW MUCH LAND YOU WOULD WANT TO SEE THAT CAN OR SHOULD BE DEVELOPED AS SOLAR. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF IT WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH THIS COMMISSION AND THE BOARD. THAT LIMIT IS ROUGHLY 1% AS I UNDERSTAND IT FROM YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          SO, ROUGHLY 3,800 ACRES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. 
          IN TERMS OF WHAT KIERAN SAID EARLIER WITH THIS SITE, IT'S ROUGHLY A 40 ACRE SITE, 39 AND A HALF. SO, WE'RE. 
          THIS PROJECT, IF IT WERE TO BE APPROVED, WOULD BE 1.6% OF THAT TOTAL. SO, SUBSTANTIALLY WITHIN WHAT YOU'VE ALLOCATED AS POTENTIAL AREAS FOR SOLAR DEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE. AND THAT REALLY KIND OF COMES BACK TO A LITTLE BIT OF WHY WE LOOKED AT THIS SITE AGAIN THAT SORT OF YEAR OVER YEAR CALL TO. 
          THERE ARE VARIOUS LIMITS ON THIS SITE THAT HAVE LED TO, AS WE UNDERSTAND IT FROM THE LANDOWNER, ROOT SUFFOCATION OVER TIME, CONTINUOUS WET AREAS, MUDDY AREAS LATE INTO THE SEASON THAT PROHIBIT SOME OF THAT PLANTING WINDOW. 
          I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE LANDOWNER. HOW LONG HAS HE OWNED A PROPERTY? THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION. I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT HIS DEED IN QUITE A WHILE, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S BEEN OVER A DECADE. I WOULD WANT TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT, SIR, TO TELL YOU TO A MORAL SERVICE. 
          I BELIEVE THAT'S TRUE. 
          I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT 10 YEARS OF HISTORY WHICH IS SAYING THAT. 
          YES, SIR. 
          WELL, THIS IS GOING TO BE A CRACKER JACK YEAR FOR A NEW YEAR. 
          WELL, THAT'S WONDERFUL TO HEAR. I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT VERY MUCH FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR COUNTY AND FOR THE COMMONWEALTH AT LARGE FOR SURE. JUST TO MOVE AHEAD VERY QUICKLY BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH QUITE A LOT ALREADY. YOUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS ONE OTHER COMPONENT. WE HAVE LOOKED AT THAT. NOW I WANT TO ADDRESS THIS IN SORT OF TWO FASHIONS. ONE, FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT WE HEARD AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING IN TERMS OF THE IMPACTS OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, WE FELT IT WAS A LITTLE MORE FAIR TO COMPARE THIS IN TERMS OF OUR IMPACTS COMPARED TO WHAT THE COUNTY WANTS TO SEE HERE MORE DIRECTLY IN ITS FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. 
          BEFORE WE DO THAT THOUGH, I DID WANT TO NOTE BECAUSE IT CAME UP IN TERMS OF THIS BEING MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IN THE FUTURE. I DID WANT TO POINT OUT THAT ON PAGE 107 OF YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UNDER THE IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES SUBSECTION I, IF YOU ALL HAVE A COPY, IT DOES TALK VERY SPECIFICALLY ABOUT PUTTING COMMUNITY SCALE SOLAR PROJECTS EXACTLY LIKE THIS ONE DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF SINGLE OR MULTIFAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          AND SO, THAT LED US TO LOOK AT THAT AND SAY WE HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD HERE. 
          THERE ARE IMPACTS TO THESE NEIGHBORS THAT WOULD HAPPEN FROM ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SPEAKS DIRECTLY TO THAT AS AN IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGY IN THE FUTURE. 
          BUT IF WE DID LOOK AT THE AVAILABILITY OF PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER, AND AS WAS MENTIONED A MOMENT AGO, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE IS SEWER OVER THERE ON 35. WE'RE TALKING ANYWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 10 TO 15 UNITS THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED ON THIS SITE. AND THAT'S ON THE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED SIDE. AND SO, YOU'D HAVE SLIGHTLY LESS OVERALL UNITS IF THIS COMMISSION AND THE BOARD WERE TO APPROVE A DIFFERENT UNIT TYPE, SAY TOWNHOMES, FOR INSTANCE, IF SOMEONE HAD PROPOSED THAT. 
          BUT OVERALL, YOU'D HAVE X NUMBER OF UNITS AND MORE BEDROOMS IN COMPARISON. SO, I'VE TAKEN THIS FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND THAT'S ROUGHLY 10 TO 15 UNITS THAT COULD DEVELOP ON THIS SITE DEPENDING ON THE AVAILABILITY OF THAT PUBLIC WATER SEWER. 
          YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE SEWER SYSTEM WILL ONLY ACCOMMODATE 12 TO 15 MORE? NO, SIR. 
          THIS SITE, UNDER THE DESIGNATION THAT IT HAS UNDER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE DENSITY THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, WOULD YIELD ROUGHLY 10 TO 15 UNITS ON THIS SITE, GIVEN ITS LAYOUT, GIVEN THE NEEDS FOR LOTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. YOU HAVE TO ALSO, ACCOMMODATE FOR THINGS LIKE THE INTERNAL ROAD STRUCTURES, YARDS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO, THAT, THAT IS WHAT WE ANALYZED. SO, IN LOOKING AT THAT. YES, SIR. 
          IN YOUR CITATION OF PAGE 107. 
          YES, SIR. 
          IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          WOULD YOU REFRESH ME ON THAT? SURE. 
          IT'S PART I WHICH TALKS ABOUT CONSIDERING AMENDMENTS TO YOUR REGULATIONS TO PERMIT COMMUNITY SCALE SOLAR PROJECTS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF A SINGLE FAMILY OR MULTI FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S THE PIECE I'M LOOKING AT HERE, SIR, FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BECAUSE PAGE 107 IS IN REFERENCE TO YOUR COMMUNITY FACILITIES AND INTRODUCTION, LOCAL GOVERNMENT. AND THAT'S IT. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, I CAN ONLY TELL YOU WHAT WE HAVE FROM THE PRINT OFF THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE. I WILL CERTAINLY TRIPLE AND QUADRUPLE CHECK THAT AGAIN. I CERTAINLY WOULD NOT WANT TO PROVIDE INFORMATION THAT SEEMED FALSE 
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FROM A NOTE. 
          WE NEED TO GET THAT CLARIFIED. 
          WE'LL TAKE A DOUBLE. 
          COULD BE ONE OF YOU LOOKING AT THE DRAFT. POSSIBLY. I KNEW WE HAD A DRAFT. OR BEFORE WE APPROVED THE REAL ORDINANCE. 
          THE VERSION I'M LOOKING AT, SIR, HAS THE ADOPTION DATE ON IT. 
          SO, NOTHING. THAT WOULD BE THE OFFICIAL ONE. 
          JANUARY 24TH. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS ONE'S FROM APRIL 23RD, 2024. 
          YEAH, COULD BE ONE. THAT MIGHT BE THE DRAFT. 
          HE'S GOT THE RIGHT ONE. 
          YES, I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION. 
          IT WAS LATER IN THE SPRING. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, NONETHELESS, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT IT FROM A SINGLE FAMILY PERSPECTIVE, THERE ARE SORT OF OBVIOUS IMPACTS BOTH IN TERMS OF YOU'RE NOW LOOKING AT YOUR NEIGHBORS, YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR YOUR NEIGHBORS, AND IT'S ALSO, GOING TO REQUIRE COUNTY SERVICES. 
          AND YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY IS LOOKING AT THAT FROM THE FUTURE LAND USE PERSPECTIVE. BUT IN COMPARISON TO THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED, AND FROM A COMPATIBILITY PERSPECTIVE UNDER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THOSE TWO THINGS TOGETHER. 
          WHAT ARE WE PROPOSING AND WHAT DOES THE COUNTY SEE FROM A DIRECT DEVELOPMENT IF THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE RESIDENTIAL? AND SO, BY CONTRAST, THIS IS A SITE WHERE, IF IT WAS DEVELOPED WITH SOLAR, WOULD NOT HAVE THE NOISE ISSUES. WE'VE PERFORMED A NOISE STUDY, IT'S IN YOUR PACKET, WHICH SHOWS THAT THAT NOISE LEVEL IS SUBSTANTIALLY LESS HITTING AT THE PROPERTY LINE, LET ALONE THE HOMES WHICH ARE EVEN FURTHER AWAY FROM THAT. WE DO NOT REQUIRE SUBSTANTIAL COUNTY SERVICES. WE DO NOT, YOU KNOW, HAVE SCHOOL, CHILDREN, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. FIRE AND EMS IS VERY LIMITED, IF AT ALL, IN THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS. 
          ONE THING WE DID WANT TO NOTE, I THINK THAT IS SORT OF VERY SPECIFIC TO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS, THOUGH, IS TRAFFIC COUNTS. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT NEIGHBORS WOULD HEAR, SEE SMELL HAPPEN RIGHT NEXT TO THEM ALL THE TIME. WE HAVE TWO POINTS OF. WE HAVE. WE HAVE ADJACENCY ON TWO ROADS, AS THE COMMISSION KNOWS. AND SO, THIS PROJECT, THE LARGEST AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC IT WILL EVER SEE IS DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE. 
          THAT'S ROUGHLY A THREE TO FOUR, MAYBE FIVE TO SIX MONTH PHASE OVERALL WITH VARYING LEVELS OF TRAFFIC OVER TIME. VERY FEW DELIVERIES DURING THE DAY. THE WEEKLY TRIPS OUT OF A CONSTRUCTION END OF THIS PROJECT ARE ROUGHLY 147 AND THEN DROPPING DOWN TO ROUGHLY 1 PER WEEK OR MONTH, DEPENDING ON THE AMOUNT OF MAINTENANCE ON SITE FOR THE GROUNDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BY CONTRAST, LOOKING AT THE ZONING AND IF YOU WERE TO DEVELOP IT AS A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT SAME NUMBER OF WEEKLY TRIPS FROM THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE OF THIS SITE, WHICH LASTS THREE TO FOUR MONTHS, IS SUDDENLY GOING TO BECOME THE DAILY REALITY FOR THE NEIGHBORS ON THIS SITE. AND THEN THE WEEKLY TRIPS GENERATE INTO THE THOUSANDS. AND SO, THERE IS OVERALL IMPACTS FROM RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT HERE THAT YOU WOULD NOT HAVE WITH THE SOLAR DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND SO, WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO PASS IT BACK TO KIERAN. I APOLOGIZE IF I DIDN'T HAVE ANY ENOUGH THINGS TO SAY TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS, BUT. 
          BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO FINISH UP HERE SHORTLY BECAUSE I KNOW THE COMMUNITY HAS THINGS TO SAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, BEFORE WE PROCEED? ALL RIGHT, WELL, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME. 
          WELL, AGAIN, JUST A COUPLE MORE. I'LL TRY TO MOVE THROUGH THIS QUICKLY. 
          SO, THIS IS JUST A FIGURE TO ECHO WHAT MATT SAID, PROXIMITY TO THE TOWN OF CORTLAND. YOU CAN SEE OUR SITE IN THE CENTER OF THE CIRCLES. 
          THE RED CIRCLE IS THE 1 MILE RADIUS. OUTLINED IN YELLOW IS THE TOWN, THE INCORPORATED TOWNSHIP. 
          WE'RE OUTSIDE OF THAT LIMIT. 
          COUPLE OF THESE SLIDES ARE IN RESPONSE TO SOME QUESTIONS THAT I BELIEVE WE HEARD AT THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS. ONE WAS ON PROPERTY VALUE AND WHAT POTENTIAL IMPACT COULD BE ON THAT. SO, WE PROVIDED SOME NOTES FROM A COUPLE STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE ON PROPERTY VALUE EVALUATION FOR HOME SALES NEAR SOLAR PROJECTS. BOTH VIRGINIA TECH HAS COMMISSIONED TO STUDY KONA RESNICK AS A PROPERTY VALUE ADVISORY FIRM. 
          THEY HAVE ALSO, DONE A STUDY ON THIS. JUST MOVE QUICKLY HERE. THE PUNCHLINE OF BOTH THESE STUDIES IS THAT THEY FOUND THAT THERE IS NO MEASURABLE DIFFERENCE IN THE SALE PRICE OF HOMES THAT ARE LOCATED ADJACENT TO SOLAR PROJECTS WHEN COMPARED TO PROJECTS THAT ARE LOCATED IN THE SAME AREA BUT AWAY FROM THE PROJECT ITSELF. THE WAY THEY DID THIS IS CONE RESNICK AS AN EXAMPLE DIRECTLY CALLED A NUMBER OF TAX ASSESSORS ACROSS MANY COUNTIES AND STATES TO LOOK AT REAL DATA FOLLOWING THE CONSTRUCTION OF PROJECTS TO COMPARE THE SALE PRICE ON A SQUARE FOOT BASIS BOTH WITH PRODUCTS ADJACENT SITES AND THEN CONTROLS ELSEWHERE IN THE COUNTY OR TOWN WHERE THE SALES WERE LOCATED. WE PROVIDE TWO EXAMPLES HERE. I DO WANT TO CALL OUT RIGHT FROM THE JUMP. I UNDERSTAND THESE ARE EXAMPLES FROM NEW YORK. I'LL WORK WITH HELP AND TO SWITCH THESE OUT FOR THINGS THAT ARE MORE LOCAL. 
          BUT WE INCLUDED THESE BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THESE TWO EXAMPLES VERY MUCH ALIGN WITH BOTH THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT THAT WAS PROPOSED COMPARED TO LARGE UTILITY SCALE PROJECTS AND ALSO, THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA WHERE THE SITES ARE BEING BUILT. 
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THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR. SO, THIS ONE IS AROUND 2 MEGAWATTS IN SIZE. YOU CAN SEE KIND OF THE SURROUNDING AREAS. HERE WE HAVE A COMMERCIAL USE OF THE NORTHWEST, A BUNCH OF RESIDENTIAL HOMES TO THE EAST AND SOUTHEAST. 
          IT'S HARD TO SEE IN THIS FIGURE, BUT THE ADJACENT HOME SALE THAT THEY LOOKED AT IS IN THIS BLUE PUSH PIN IMMEDIATELY NEXT TO THE PROJECT. THEY LOOKED AT ANOTHER SALE OF A HOME IN THE AREA AND YOU COULD SEE IN THE TABLE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, ON A SQUARE FOOT BASIS, WE'RE SEEING NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO. IN FACT, THIS HOME SOLD FOR SLIGHTLY MORE THAN THE CONTROL HOUSE IN THE AREA. SECOND EXAMPLE, VERY SIMILAR. THIS ONE IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT AND SLIGHTLY BIGGER AND SIMILAR IN SIZE TO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE TODAY. AGAIN, SIMILAR USES SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY. 
          IN THIS CASE, AGAIN, THE TEST SALE HOME, WHICH IS THE ONE DIRECTLY TO THE EAST, SOLD FOR IN THIS CASE $2.50 HIGHER THAN THE CONTROL ON A SQUARE FOOT BASIS. SO, WHAT THESE STUDIES HAVE SHOWN, AND I BELIEVE THERE MAY BE A COPY OF THE REPORT ITSELF IN YOUR PACKETS, IS THAT THERE IS NO MATERIAL DIFFERENCE IN THE SALE PRICE OF HOMES BASED ON PROXIMITY SOLAR PRODUCTS BASED ON REAL SALES THAT ARE OCCURRING TODAY. 
          I SAW THERE'S ALSO, A QUESTION ABOUT MODULE MATERIALS. WHAT ARE THESE? IS THERE A POTENTIAL CONCERN OR IMPACT FOR THE ENVIRONMENT OR HEALTH? THERE ARE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT EMF, WHICH STANDS FOR ELECTROMAGNETIC FREQUENCY. 
          SO, WITH RESPECT TO MATERIALS, THESE ARE VERY SIMPLE PRODUCTS. 
          IT'S A SILICON BASED PRODUCT. 
          SO, SILICA IS SAND AND GLASS IS MADE OF THE. THE PRIMARY COMPONENTS OF THESE MODULES ARE SILICA, GLASS, ALUMINUM. THEY'RE ENCASED IN TWO PANES OF TEMPERED GLASS WITH A POLYMER ENCASING THEM. I BELIEVE THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IN A HAIL STORM. WHAT HAPPENS IF HAIL BREAKS THE PANELS? OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S AN EVENT THAT NOBODY WANTS TO SEE. SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE AN OUTLIER FOR THE OPERATION OF THE SYSTEM. 
          BUT THE WAY THESE ARE BUILT ARE TO KIND OF STAY TOGETHER. SO, PERHAPS THE HAIL CRACKS THE GRASS, THE GLASS BECAUSE THESE ARE ENCASED IN. 
          HAS THERE BEEN ANY ANALYSIS TO THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS? WITH RESPECT TO WHAT? TAXES? WITH RESPECT TO TAXES, YES. 
          GETTING BACK TO YOUR LAST SLIDE BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE GETTING READY TO TALK, THEY DON'T WANT TO LIVE BESIDE A SOLAR FACILITY. YOU WOULD ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, CORRECT? I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS SOME CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED IN THE COMMUNITY MEETING. 
          SO, HAS THERE BEEN ANY ANALYSIS FOR IMPACT ON THE PROPERTY TAXES? I GET THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO COMPARE THE ANALYSIS OF HOW MANY PROJECTS CAN BE DEVELOPED. 
          12 IS WHAT YOUR ATTORNEY SAID, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT ANALYSIS. 
          BUT WHAT ABOUT THE IMPACT THAT IT HAS ON THESE HOUSES THAT ARE RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR FACILITY IN VERY CLOSE. CLOSE PROXIMITY? SURE. 
          WITH RESPECT TO THE PROPOSED PARCEL ITSELF, I THINK WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS THAT COMPARED TO THE UNDEVELOPED FIELD, THE IMPROVEMENTS FROM THE PROJECT WOULD CREATE A MUCH LARGER TAX REVENUE FROM THE PROJECT ITSELF. WHAT BEARING THAT MIGHT HAVE ON THE PROPERTY TAXES IMPOSED ON SURROUNDING PROPERTIES WOULD BE FULLY AT THE DISCRETION OF YOUR TAX ASSESSOR, WHO'S ASSESSING THE VALUE OF THOSE HOMES. I DON'T THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN SAY. 
          WOULD IT BE A SIGNIFICANT DEVIATION? LET'S SAY THAT IT WAS THE LOW DENSITY HOUSING WITH 12 UNITS COMPARED TO YOUR FACILITY OVER 35 YEARS. 
          BECAUSE THE 176,000 WHICH MR. TURNER BROUGHT UP, THE NUMBERS JUST AREN'T BLOWING US AWAY. 
          I THINK I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. SO, ARE YOU ASKING WHAT IS THE ANALYSIS OF TAX REVENUE GENERATED FROM THE SOLAR PROJECT VERSUS IF THE LOT WAS DEVELOPED FOR 12 HOMES. 
          CORRECT. 
          GOT IT. I DON'T HAVE THAT OFFHAND. THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT. BUT ONE THING I WOULD RAISE IS THAT, AS MATT MENTIONED, PROJECTS LIKE THESE ARE AN INCREASE IN TAX REVENUE WITH NO STRAIN ON COUNTY SERVICES. WE DON'T REQUIRE WATER. WE DON'T REQUIRE SEWER. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          AND THAT'S NOT THE SAME AS IF THE PROJECT STRUCTURE ISSUES BECAUSE THERE'S NO IN AND OUT. I GUESS ONE OF THE MAIN CONCERNS. WE HEAR OF THESE PROFFERS AND WE'VE BEEN BURNED BEFORE. 
          BAD. 
          NOT JUST LITTLE, TEENY, TINY, BIG. AND I SEE. WELL, WE'RE GOING TO CONTRACT WITH A LOCAL FARMER AND HAVE SOME SHEEP THERE. THAT SOUNDS GREAT. AND WE'LL GO TAKE THE SHEEP TO THE MEADOW. 
          BUT I'VE. 
          YOU KNOW, THE MEADOW THAT I'VE HEARD ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IS NO MEADOW. OKAY. SO, WE'VE BEEN PROMISED THIS AND WE GET THIS WITH GRASS THAT'S FIVE FOOT TALL. 
          I'M SORRY TO HEAR THAT YOU FEEL THAT WAY. WE THINK THAT THAT'S. 
          I DON'T FEEL THAT WAY. I CAN GO 
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AND RIDE BY IT AND LOOK AT THE GRASS THAT'S FIVE FOOT. 
          SO, IT ISN'T MY FEELINGS. 
          SURE. 
          IT'S FACTUAL THAT THE FACILITY WE HAVE IN NEWSOM'S DOES NOT LOOK AESTHETICALLY PLEASING. 
          AND THE FERNS OR WHATEVER, THE GREENERY, HALF OF IT HAS DIED AND IT WAS PLANTED AND IT DIED AND IT REPLANTED AND THEN REPLANTED AND DIED AGAIN. SO, THAT COMING FROM. IS THAT FACILITY IS NOT MY OPINION, BUT IS NOT AESTHETICALLY PLEASING WITH THE GRASS THAT IS NOT MOWED AND THE GREENERY THAT HAS. AND I DON'T LIVE IN NEWSOMS. I WROTE I DRIVE BY IT HERE AND THERE TO EVENTS. BUT IS 80% DEAD. IS THAT A CLOSE? THE GREENERY? YES, THE GREENERY, NO. BUT I WOULD SAY A HUGE PERCENTAGE IS. DID NOT SURVIVE. 
          WELL, I'M VERY SORRY TO HEAR THAT. WHAT I WOULD SAY IS I DON'T THINK THAT IS A REPRESENTATION OF THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, BUT HOW IT'S IMPLEMENTED BY. 
          BY THAT PARTICULAR OPERATOR. 
          BUT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THAT YOUR COMPANY, YOUR FIRM WILL MAINTAIN OWNERSHIP. YOU WILL NOT. OKAY. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. WE ARE. WE ARE THE OWNER. 
          THE DEVELOPER DID TO NUISANCE BOYKINS. THEY DEVELOPED IT, THEN THEY SOLD IT. CORRECT, MR. MAN, DID THEY SELL IT? I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY SOLD IT, BUT DOMINION TOOK POSSESSION OVER IT. 
          I THINK. 
          I KNOW DOMINION BUYS THE POWER, BUT I DON'T THINK THE COMMUNITY SOLAR. WHEN THEY FINISHED DEVELOPING THE PROJECT, ALL THEIR CELL PHONES WENT DEAD. YOU COULDN'T TALK TO ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE. AND ON THE FANCY BUSINESS CARDS, THEY JUST VANISHED. THEY WENT BACK TO NEVADA AND ARIZONA, CALIFORNIA. A TRUE STATEMENT. 
          YOU KNOW, IN OUR EXPERIENCE, THAT WAS A DEVELOPER THAT RESOLD IT. I'M PRETTY SURE I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT THERE. BUT YOU ALL GOING TO MAINTAIN OWNERSHIP? WE WOULD BE THE LONG TERM OWNERS OF THE. 
          AND WE. 
          WE THINK THAT'S A BIG ADVANTAGE IN STRUCTURING THE OWNERSHIP THAT WAY. BECAUSE WE'RE HERE HAVING CONVERSATIONS NOW. IF THAT DEVELOPER SOLD IT TO SOMEONE ELSE, THAT LONG TERM OWNER WASN'T PRESENT HERE. 
          THEY DIDN'T LOOK AT ALL OF YOU AND SAY, YES, THIS IS HOW WE WOULD CARRY OUT VEGETATIVE MAINTENANCE. 
          THIS IS HOW IT WOULD BE DONE. 
          WE HAVE CONTINUITY HERE BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME COMPANY ALL THE WAY THROUGH. WITH RESPECT TO THAT SITUATION, I'M SORRY TO HEAR THAT THAT'S THE CASE. 
          THAT IS NOT A GOOD REPRESENTATION OF THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT AT LARGE. I BELIEVE THE COUNTY REQUIRES THINGS LIKE LANDSCAPING BONDS. ONE THING I'LL SAY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF OUR PROFFERS, IF YOU WOULD LIKE US TO PROFFER SOMETHING SPECIFIC TO VEGETATION AS PART OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          IF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD RECOMMEND A CONDITION SPECIFIC TO PERFORMANCE AND MAINTENANCE OF LANDSCAPING, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE. 
          IT'S HARD TO SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU. 
          WE HAVE ON IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S NOT BEING MAINTAINED. 
          AND I GUESS IN THAT EXAMPLE, I WOULD ASK IF THAT VEGETATION IS NOT BEING MAINTAINED, I ASSUME THE COUNTY HAS THEIR POWER TO ISSUE VIOLATIONS AGAINST NOT POLICING IT. 
          OKAY, WE DON'T HAVE PERSONNEL TO POLICE THAT. 
          BUT IT WAS CUT RECENTLY, JACK, JUST AS YOU KNOW. OKAY. 
          IT WAS CUT ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO, OR THE PLACE OF 671 WAS ANYWAY. 
          THAT'S ANOTHER STORY. THANK YOU. GO RIGHT AHEAD, SIR. 
          THE PANELS, I THINK THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME CONFUSION WHAT TYPE OF PANEL. I THINK THERE WAS QUESTIONS ABOUT HAZARDOUS MATERIALS. AND WHAT HAPPENS IF, YOU KNOW, THE PANELS ARE ON THE GROUND? DOES THAT HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO LEACH SOMETHING INTO THE SOIL? I THINK THERE'S CONFUSION. THE PANEL TYPE. 
          THERE ARE LOTS OF DIFFERENT MATERIAL COMPOSITIONS OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF PANEL TECHNOLOGIES. I THINK WHAT THESE QUESTIONS WERE RAISED WERE ABOUT SPECIFIC TECHNOLOGY PANELS, PARTICULARLY THIN FILM PANELS, WHICH TYPICALLY CONTAIN MATERIALS LIKE CADMIUM TELLURIDE. THIS IS NOT WHAT THIS PROJECT IS. THE MODULES PROPOSED HERE ARE JUST VERY STANDARD SILICON PANELS. 
          THE SILICON IN THESE MODULES ARE THE SAME AS THE SILICON IN YOUR SEMICONDUCTORS IN YOUR LAPTOPS AND CELL PHONES. VERY BASIC MATERIALS. 
          WHAT DO YOU JUDGE THE LIFESPAN? BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT A PANEL, IT DOES DETERIORATE OVER MANY YEARS. AS FAR AS THE PERFORMANCE, WHAT DO YOU FORESEE BEFORE THAT PANEL HAD TO BE CHANGED OVER TO A NEW PANEL? IT'S TYPICALLY 15, 20 YEARS. 
          IT'S TYPICALLY A 40 YEAR LIFESPAN FOR THIS TECHNOLOGY. 
          OUR LEASE WITH THIS LANDOWNER I BELIEVE IS 30 YEARS. SO, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT THESE MODULES WOULD NEED TO BE REPLACED OVER THE LIFESPAN OF THE PROJECT. SO, ONE THING ALSO, TO MENTION, I HEARD THERE WAS DISCUSSION REGARDING BATTERY STORAGE AND THE BATTERY ORDINANCE. TO BE VERY CLEAR, THIS PROJECT IS SOLAR ONLY. 
          WE'RE NOT PROPOSING BATTERY STORAGE AS PART OF OUR PROJECT. 
          CAN I ASK WHY NOT? I'LL JUST BE OBJECTIVE. 
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SURE. 
          WE DON'T FIND THE WAY THESE PROJECTS ARE SUBSCRIBED AND THE WAY WE ARE SIZING THE PROJECT FIRST. WE'RE LIMITED UNDER THIS PROGRAM TO BE A CERTAIN SIZE WITHIN THE SHARED SOLAR PROGRAM, PROJECTS SHOULD ONLY BE 5 MEGAWATTS AT LARGEST. SO, WE'RE SLIGHTLY BELOW THAT. THE WAY WE SUBSCRIBE THESE PROJECTS AND SIZE THEM. BECAUSE RESIDENTS ARE RECEIVING CREDITS AND NOT THE ACTUAL ELECTRONS THAT ARE TOUCHING THE GRID. THE TIMING OF THE POWER IS NOT AS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT'S OVER THE SPAN OF THE ENTIRE MONTH. SO, WHEN A RESIDENT RECEIVES THEIR ELECTRIC BILL AND IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, HERE ARE THE CREDITS PRODUCED, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THOSE CREDITS WERE PRODUCED AT 10 O' CLOCK IN THE MORNING OR 10PM AT NIGHT. IT'S JUST OVERALL OVER THE MONTH, JUST CREDITED TO THE BILL AT LARGE. SO, THE TIMING DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. 
          AND THERE'S NOT A SPECIFIC NEED TO JUSTIFY THE USE OF A BATTERY IN THIS SCENARIO. AND ALSO, FROM A DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, IT'S EASIER. RIGHT. PEOPLE HAVE LOTS OF QUESTIONS ABOUT BATTERY STORAGE. PEOPLE ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH WHAT SOLAR IS. KEEP IT SIMPLE, JUST ABOUT THE EFFICIENCY. TALKING ABOUT THE PROJECT THAT WE JUST APPROVED EARLIER WAS 70 ACRES AND IT WAS 20 MEGAWATTS. YOU GUYS ARE 40 ACRES AND IT'S ONLY PRODUCING LESS THAN 5. SO, WHY IS THE TECHNOLOGY SO, DIFFERENT? BECAUSE IF YOU DO THE MATH, YOU SHOULD BE CLOSER TO 10 MEGAWATTS FOR YOUR SIZE PROJECT. 
          I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE DESIGN OF THE OTHER PROJECT. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT. I IMAGINE THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE INTER ROW SPACING. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT PROJECT IS FIXED TILT OR SINGLE AXIS TRACKER. SINGLE AXIS TRACKER BECAUSE THE MODULES MOVE THROUGH THE DAY. 
          ONE SHOT AT DOING THIS WHEN YOU WANT TO PUT THE MOST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK IN. 
          IN A FOOTPRINT. 
          SURE. WELL, FROM A. 
          FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, BECAUSE WE ARE. EXCUSE ME, CATFIT FOR BASED ON OUR VIEW OF THE DISTRIBUTION LINE WHAT'S AVAILABLE, THIS LINE AND THE PROJECT COMPARE A PROJECT SIZE OF 4.4 MEGAWATTS, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE PROBABLY SLIGHTLY SMALLER THAN 4.9, WHICH I THINK WAS WHAT WAS SAID AT THE BEGINNING FROM A DC STANDPOINT. SO, PROJECTS ARE MEASURING BOTH AC DC. THE SIZING IS SPECIFIC BASED ON THE PRODUCTIVITY OF THE SYSTEM. YOU CAN HAVE A LARGER DC SIZE OR RELATIVE TO YOUR AZ SIZE. 
          AT A CERTAIN POINT, IT'S NOT AS EFFICIENT. WHAT DOES CREATE MORE EFFICIENCY IS ROW SPACING. SO, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS DESIGN, BUT YOU CAN PUT PANELS, THE PANEL ROWS CERTAIN DISTANCES APART AT A CERTAIN PROXIMITY. 
          WHEN THEY'RE TOO CLOSE, THEY START TO SHADE EACH OTHER OUT. AND THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THESE TYPES OF PANELS WHICH TRACK THE SUN THROUGHOUT THE DAY. WE DON'T WANT THEM TO SHADE EACH OTHER BECAUSE THAT WILL REDUCE THE PRODUCTIVITY. 
          SO, IT POTENTIALLY HAS TO DO WITH THE WAY THE ROWS ARE SPACED TO OPTIMIZE THE ACTUAL PRODUCTION OF THE SYSTEM OVER THE NUMBER OF WATTS OF THE ACTUAL POWER OF THE SYSTEM. 
          DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? I GUESS I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE AUDIENCE. 
          WE'RE HAPPY TO PROVIDE SOME MORE NARRATIVE. IT'S JUST AN EFFICIENCY WITH RESPECT TO THE DESIGN. COULD WE FIT THIS ON A MUCH SMALLER PIECE OF PROPERTY OR AREA WITHIN THIS PROPERTY? POTENTIALLY THAT WOULD RESULT IN EFFICIENCY ISSUES WHICH COULD IMPACT THE NUMBER OF SUBSCRIBERS WHO COULD BENEFIT. 
          BECAUSE THE LESS ELECTRONS YOU PUT ON THE GRID, THE FEWER RESIDENTS YOU COULD SUPPORT. 
          SO, THIS IS DESIGNED IN THIS WAY ON THE AREA WE HAVE AVAILABLE. 
          YOU KNOW, ONCE WE CONSIDER SETBACKS, SCREENING ALL THESE THINGS TO DESIGN THE MOST PRODUCT. 
          ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN? THANK YOU. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          ALL RIGHT, THANKS SO, MUCH. 
          THANK THE PRESENTATION. 
          SURE. APPRECIATE IT. JUST TAX SUMMARY SLIDE. JUST AS A RECAP OF WHAT WE DISCUSSED. 
          CURRENTLY THE LAND PRODUCES AROUND $21,900 OR WOULD PRODUCE THAT MUCH OVER THE LIFETIME OF THE SYSTEM IF NOTHING WAS DEVELOPED HERE CURRENTLY WITH MACHINERY AND TOOLS TAX, WE'D EXPECT THAT NUMBER TO JUMP TO $173,000 OVER THE LIFE OF THE SYSTEM. 
          THE COUNTY HAS THE ABILITY TO ADOPT REVENUE SHARE ORDINANCE AND HAPPY TO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT ENTAILS. WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. THERE'D BE A MUCH LARGER TAX REVENUE GENERATED SHOULD THE COUNTY ADOPT A REVENUE SHARE AGREEMENT WHICH IS JUST A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT METHODOLOGY OF HOW SOLAR PROJECTS CAN BE TAX TAXED BY LOCAL JURISDICTIONS AS OPPOSED TO TRADITIONAL MACHINERY AND TOOLS TAX. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION FOR HIM, BUT IT'S NOT RELATED TO THIS. 
          SURE. 
          IT'S RELATED TO YOUR STUDY, YOUR IMPACT STUDY. YOU DID ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCES. BUT YOU DID NOT DO HISTORICAL RESOURCES. YOU DID NOT GO TO DEPARTMENT OF HISTORIC RESOURCES TO LOOK AT THEIR SURVEY AND MAPPING OF THE AREA. THAT AREA THAT 
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YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOR YOUR PROJECT HAPPENS TO BE PART OF WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL NOTTOWAY TRIBE RESERVATION LAND. PEOPLE HAVE OCCUPIED THAT LAND FOR CENTURIES. AND LOOKING AT THIS LIST OF NAMES ON PROPERTY OWNERS, THESE PEOPLE HAVE LIVED HERE. 
          THIS IS MULTI GENERATIONAL. 
          THESE PEOPLE HAVE LIVED HERE FOR CENTURIES. I MEAN, PREDATING VIRGINIA, PREDATING THE UNITED STATES. YOU FOUND ARTIFACTS. AND WE CANNOT CALL PEOPLE ARTIFACTS, BUT THERE ARE TWO NOTTOWAY TRIBES LOCATED HERE IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. AND WITHIN THOSE TWO TRIBES, THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THIS AUDIENCE WHO ARE NOTTOWAY DESCENDANTS. AND WE CANNOT CALL THEM ARTIFACTS, BUT IT'S A CULTURAL RESOURCE FOR THIS COUNTY. THAT'S HOW VIRGINIA USE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE AS A CULTURAL RESOURCE. AND SO, HAVING THAT ELIMINATED FROM THIS PROJECT IS TROUBLESOME TO ME. YOU USED LEWIS BENFORD, WHICH WAS A DOCUMENT THAT WAS WRITTEN IN THE 1960S, BUT YOU DID NOT USE THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL SURVEY OF THE DEPARTMENT OF HISTORIC RESOURCES THAT WAS DONE IN 2010. AND IT SHOWS ALL OF THIS AREA. IT SHOWS WHERE PLACES WERE OCCUPIED. AND YOU DID NOT OBVIOUSLY TALK TO PEOPLE WHO ARE OF NOTTAWAY DESCENT, BECAUSE WE ARE KEEPERS OF THE LAND AND IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE PROTECT LAND AND THAT IT IS REUSABLE. SO, JUST WANT TO POINT THAT FACT OUT THAT THAT WAS ELIMINATED. 
          YES, YOU DID AN ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY, BUT YOU DID NOT DO THE HISTORICAL STUDY. SOUTHAMPTON IS A RICH COUNTY IN ALL LEVELS. HISTORY, AGRICULTURE, PEOPLE. SO, THAT YOU HAVE. THAT'S WHAT I PAY ATTENTION TO. 
          SURE. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT FEEDBACK IN THE AUDIENCE. WE HAVE NICK ROBERTS FROM KIMLEY HORNE, WHO IS OUR ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT. I'M SURE HE CAN TOUCH ON THAT. I BELIEVE WE DID PERFORM A DESKTOP CULTURAL RESOURCE. WE DID A PHASE ONE ESA AND A DESKTOP. YES, WE HAD A DESKTOP CULTURE WHICH SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE APPLICATION. 
          IT WAS. IT WAS INCLUDED IN THIS. BUT I NOTICED THAT WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE FOUND MORE INFORMATION, YOU DID NOT SEEK OUT THAT PARTICULAR. THOSE PARTICULAR DOCUMENTS WHICH WOULD HAVE GIVEN YOU A BETTER PICTURE OF WHAT. WHAT THE LAND IS IN THIS AREA. BECAUSE AS I SAID, THIS WAS PART OF THE SIX MILE SQUARE TRACK OF THE NOTTOWAY TRIBE, THE ORIGINAL RESERVATION LAND. 
          JUST PART OF IT. THERE'S ANOTHER PART IN THIS COUNTY, BUT THIS PART IS ON THIS SIDE OF THE RIVER. AND THOSE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE, I'M LOOKING AT THE NAMES AND THEY ARE DIRECT DESCENDANTS OF NOTTOWAY PEOPLE. 
          SOME ARE SITTING IN HERE, THEY'RE MEMBERS OF TRIBES, THEY'RE CITIZENS OF TRIBES TODAY TONIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A WAY OF LOOKING AT WHAT IS IMPORTANT. 
          ARTIFACTS, YES, THAT'S ONE THING. BUT PEOPLE, THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT FEEDBACK. THAT'S REALLY APPRECIATED. I APOLOGIZE IF THAT WAS AN OVERSIGHT ON OUR PART. WE'D BE HAPPY TO LOOK AT THAT ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION. WE'D BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY ON CONDITIONS WITH RESPECT TO COORDINATING WITH THE TRIBES TO MAKE SURE THIS IS DONE PROPERLY. ONE THING I'LL SAY ABOUT THE LAND USE AT LARGE, ESPECIALLY WHEN COMPARING IT TO ALTERNATE LAND USES THAT MAY BE CONTEMPLATED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IS THAT WHAT WE THINK IS A BENEFIT OF OUR PROPOSED PROJECT, OUR TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT IS THAT IT IS INHERENTLY TEMPORARY TO THE LAND. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S RELATIVELY LOW INTENSIVE. 
          THERE'S VERY MINIMAL IMPERVIOUS SURFACE. THESE ARE JUST A HANDFUL OF METAL POLES THAT GET DRIVEN TO THE GROUND. A VERY SIMPLE GRAVEL ACCESS ROAD. AND AT THE END OF THE PROJECT, LIFE THAT GETS PULLED UP, THE GRAVEL GETS REMOVED. I HEARD THE FEEDBACK ON THE DECOMMISSIONING PLAN. 
          WIRES GET REMOVED, CONDUIT GETS REMOVED, AND IT'S A FARM FIELD AGAIN. 
          AND THE SAME CAN'T BE SAID ABOUT ALTERNATE USES OF DEVELOPMENT, PARTICULARLY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. WE ALL KNOW THAT ONCE THOSE HOUSES GET BUILT ON THIS LOT, THAT STAYS AND THAT RESOURCE IS. IS GONE. 
          THIS IS A MORE TEMPORARY LAND USE THAT IS OVERALL LESS INTENSIVE ON THE LAND OVERALL. SO, WE THINK THAT IS A GREAT BENEFIT COMPARED TO OTHER MORE TRADITIONAL TYPES OF COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. SO, WITH THAT, YOU'VE HEARD A LOT FROM ME. I APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK. I WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU SO, MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. MRS. AUSTIN. 
          YES. 
          IS THIS STUDY NOT REQUIRED? IS. AND THE ORDINANCE? IT IS THE CULTURAL RESOURCE. 
          AND THAT WAS. 
          IT'S PART OF THE ORDINANCE, CORRECT? IT'S PART OF THE ORDINANCE. 
          THEY'VE IDENTIFIED ARTIFACTS. 
          WELL, THAT'S ONE THING. YES. 
          BUT THERE IS A WHOLE AREA THAT DEPARTMENT OF HISTORIC 
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RESOURCES HAS DETERMINED AS A HISTORIC AREA HERE IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. AND IT MAINLY REVOLVES AROUND THE RESERVATION LAND THAT WAS PART THE 40,000 ACRES OF LAND TRIBES LAND LIVED ON. 
          SO, AGAIN, OUR DEPARTMENT HAS FAILED US AGAIN TONIGHT. WE'RE NOT. WE'RE NOT. WE DON'T HAVE A COMPLETE APPLICATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT POINT FORWARD. THAT'S VERY CRITICAL. YES. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE REPRESENTING THE SOLAR COMPANY OR THE DEVELOPMENT GROUP OR SURVEILS OR ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE GET TO. MAYBE SOME OF THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE OUT IN THE AREA? ANYONE ELSE? NO, SIR. 
          ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU GENTLEMEN AGAIN. OKAY. JUST. I THINK I'VE ALREADY OPENED A HEARING. 
          CORRECT. RIGHT. CHAIRMAN. I THINK I DID IT PREMATURELY. 
          SO, NOW I WILL OPEN IT UP. 
          TO ANYONE WHO LIKES TO COME FORWARD, A COUPLE OF GR. COME ON UP, MA'AM. 
          COME ON UP. A COUPLE OF GROUND RULES BEFORE. 
          BEFORE WE START. THESE GENTLEMEN HAVE BEEN STRAIGHTFORWARD, VERY ORDERLY, AND I'M GOING TO ASK IF YOU ALL AND EVERYBODY GOING TO GET A CHANCE TO SPEAK TONIGHT. BUT LIKE I SAID, WE ARE ALL HERE TO LISTEN. IF YOU DO GET LONG WINDED AND START REPEATING WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER OR SOMETHING SOMEONE ELSE SAID, I MAY INTERJECT POLITELY AND SAY, WE'VE ALREADY HEARD THAT. 
          OTHERWISE, EVERYBODY WILL GET THEIR CHANCE TO SPEAK TONIGHT. THIS IS A GRASSROOTS EFFORT. THIS IS WHAT MAKES AMERICA GREAT. THIS IS WHY YOU ALL CAME TONIGHT. AND WE'RE HERE TO LISTEN. SO, MA'AM, IF YOU'LL GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. 
          I'M JENNIFER LOWE PRUITT. I LIVE AT 223036 WHITE HOUSE ROAD. I HAVE LIVED THERE ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS. 
          WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT THE HOUSE, I WAS LOOKING IN THE AREA I WANTED TO LIVE IN CORTLAND. I'VE GROWN UP IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY AND LIVED HERE PRETTY MUCH MY WHOLE LIFE. 
          I WORK AT THE LOCAL NURSING HOME AS A DIRECTOR OF REHAB, AND MY SON GOES TO SOUTHAMPTON MIDDLE SCHOOL. 
          SO, I FELT LIKE I HIT THE JACKPOT WHEN I FOUND THIS HOUSE. IT WAS CLOSE ENOUGH TO WORK, WORK, CLOSE ENOUGH TO SCHOOL, HAD SOME A WOODED AREA, A NICE OPEN FIELD, THE NEIGHBORHOOD FEEL. I ALWAYS SAY THAT I'M NOT IN VERY GOOD SHAPE, SO, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO, LIKE, REALLY SEE MY NEIGHBORS. 
          BUT IF I NEED TO GET THERE IN AN EMERGENCY, I NEED TO BE ABLE TO RUN. SO, THIS HOUSE SUIT THIS. IT SUITS THAT. 
          I LIKE THAT I CAN STEP OUT ON THE BACK PORCH AND LOOK OUT. 
          YOU KNOW, I CAN SEE OVER IN A DISTANCE TO SOME NEIGHBORS. 
          BUT IT'S A NICE OPEN FIELD, QUIET, RURAL AREA. THAT'S WHAT I LOVE ABOUT LIVING THERE. 
          SO, I DEFINITELY HAVE SOME CONCERNS ON THE IMPACT. I MEAN, NUMBER ONE, OBVIOUSLY, I REALLY DON'T CARE FOR THAT SCENERY THAT CLOSE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE PREDOMINANTLY. MOST OF MY. THE SMALLER PORTION OF MY ACREAGE IS IN THE BACKYARD. SO, IT WOULD BE VERY CLOSE. EVEN IF IT'S. I DON'T. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT FOOTAGE. IT WOULD BE VERY CLOSE TO MY BACKYARD. SO, I HAVE CONCERNS, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY ON PROPERTY VALUE, BUT SOME OF THE OTHER ONES ARE JUST CHANGING THE WHOLE CULTURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BECAUSE IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S NOT JUST AN OPEN FIELD. THIS IS A LITTLE AREA THAT IS COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY NEIGHBORS ON ALL SIDES. OH, GOSH, I'M SORRY. I'VE DONE HIT SOMETHING ON MY LITTLE NOTES, I APOLOGIZE. I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT DISRUPTING THE WILDLIFE. 
          I ALSO, HAVE TRIED TO DO A LITTLE RESEARCH, BUT IT TALKS ABOUT HEAT AND GLARE. YOU KNOW, HOW WILL THE SUN AND THE GLARE REALLY AFFECT. IF I'M IN THE BACKYARD, HOW WILL THAT GLARE BE? I MEAN, WE'VE ALL SEEN A LITTLE GLARE TRYING TO DRIVE. BUT IMAGINE ALL THESE SOLAR PANELS. HOW WILL THAT AFFECT YOU WHEN YOU'RE DIRECTLY, YOU KNOW, ADJACENT RIGHT BESIDE IT? AND, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AGAINST RENEWABLE ENERGY, BUT I'M AGAINST PUTTING SOMETHING OF THIS SKIN SCALE IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT IS. I'VE ONLY LIVED THERE TWO AND A HALF YEARS, BUT I'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW MY NEIGHBORS. THEY'VE MADE ME FEEL WELCOME. I FEEL SAFE. IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IT'S NOT A BIG OPEN AREA. SO, I JUST WANT TO ASK ALL 
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OF YOU ALL TO THANK. I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO REJECT THE PROPOSAL. AND JUST TO THANK ALL, WOULD YOU WANT TO STEP OUT IN YOUR BACKYARD AND SEE THIS? SO, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. MY NAME IS ABBY KITCHENGARRY. I RESIDE AT 23117 MAIN STREET CORNER, PORTLAND, VIRGINIA. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY FOR 50 YEARS. I AM AGAINST THIS REQUEST FOR REZONING FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          OF THE SOLAR PANELS, I TRAVEL 35 DAILY FOR WORK. NO OFFENSE TO THE PROJECT PEOPLE, BUT I FEEL IT WOULD BE AN EYESORE NOT ONLY FOR THE PASSERSBY, BUT ALSO, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT SURROUNDS THAT FIELD THAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE SOIL BEING DAMAGED BY THESE POSSIBLE SOLAR PANELS AND IF IT WERE TO EVER BECOME FARMLAND AGAIN. 
          OKAY. I AM CONCERNED, AS MS. PRUITT SAID, ABOUT THE WILDLIFE IN THAT AREA AND ALSO, THE HOMEOWNER'S PETS, IF THERE COULD BE POSSIBLE SOUNDS OR VIBRATIONS THAT WOULD HARM THE ANIMALS HEARING, POSSIBLY. 
          SO, I AM ASKING YOU ALL TO PLEASE REJECT THIS REZONING PROJECT FOR THE SOLAR PANELS. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME IS. 
          AND TO THE COMMITTEE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MY NAME IS CASSINI BARNES JORDAN, AND I RESIDE WITH MY MOTHER, LILY BARNES. 
          WE LIVE ON 24358 WASHINGTON DRIVE. MY FAMILY AND I HAVE RESIDED HERE SINCE 1976. AND I ALWAYS WERE TOLD THAT OUR HOUSE IS ON TOP OF INDIAN BURIAL GROUND. WE HAVE FOUND SPIRITS AND EVERYTHING BACK IN 1976. 
          OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS PREDOMINANTLY AFRICAN AMERICAN. THIS SOLAR PANEL WILL TAKE AWAY THE BEAUTIFICATION OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS BASED UPON SEASONED SENIORS AND GENERATION X, AND WE DO NOT WANT TO HEAR ANY HUMMING UNLESS IT'S A BIRD AND ANY OTHER UNNECESSARY DISTRACTION. THANK YOU ALL. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS SHARON BRYANT. I GOTTA TAKE A DEEP BREATH. I LIVE AT 24324 WASHINGTON DRIVE, CORTLAND, VIRGINIA. I'VE LIVED IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M 70 SOMETHING YEARS OLD. SO, I'VE BEEN HERE ALL MY LIFE. I HEARD ONE OF THE SPEAKERS SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE LAND, WAS IT AGRICULTURE? EVER SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, THEY HAVE PLANTED. AND IF YOU RIDE BY THERE NOW, YOU SEE, I THINK IT'S A COTTON FIELD BACK THERE. THEY PLANT CORN BACK THERE. SO, THE LAND IS AGRICULTURAL. IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE RETIRED. 
          THANK GOD FOR THAT. WE HAVE A LOT OF SENIOR CITIZENS, LOW INCOME, WHICH SHOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE WHETHER YOU HAVE HIGH INCOME OR NOT. 
          BUT I'M JUST STATING THAT THAT'S ABOUT THE AREA. MY PROBLEM IS, AND I'M WELL WITH ADVANCEMENT. BUT YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT BEING ADVANCED ARE PEOPLE IN OUR AREA WHERE THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT PLANNING, DOING THE PROJECT. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM AGAINST THE PROJECT. MY PROBLEM IS, IS IN A NEIGHBORHOOD. AND LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN IN SOUTHAMPTON ALL MY LIFE. AND SOUTHAMPTON IS A BIG COUNTY, HAS A PLANET OF EMPTY SPACE. 
          SO, MY QUESTION IS, SAY, SAY THIS NOW. THIS IS HOW WE LIVE. THIS IS OUR HOMES HERE. 
          THE PROJECT WILL GO RIGHT BACK WHERE SHE IS. THAT'S IN MY BACKYARD. SO, THAT WAS MY 
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CONSIDERATION. AND THEN I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS THE MAN TALK ABOUT. I'M SORRY TO CALL YOUR MAN, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR NAME IS. OKAY, I'M SORRY. HE TALKING ABOUT IF THIS PROJECT GOES FORTH THAT YOU CAN SUBSCRIBE TO IT. 
          WHAT'S THE QUALIFICATION TO MEET TO BE A SUBSCRIBER? WHAT ARE YOU ACCEPTED? ARE YOU REJECTED? BUT ANYWAY, I DON'T LIKE IT. BUT. AND THEN HE WAS SAYING THAT YOU WOULD GET 20% OFF YOUR BILL IF YOU HAD $200 BILL, YOU GET WHAT $20 OFF OF. AM I RIGHT? I MIGHT BE WRONG, MAYBE BE $40. IT'S $40. 
          BUT A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE BRING UP MONEY. MONEY ISN'T EVERYTHING. HE ALSO, SAID ABOUT HOW MUCH TAX THE COUNTY CAN GET OFF IF THEY DID THIS PROJECT, HOW MUCH MONEY THEY WE CAN ACCUMULATE. I MEAN THE COUNTY CAN ACCUMULATE, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE WELFARE OF THE RESIDENTS THAT STAY IN THERE? TO ME THE WELFARE OF THE PEOPLE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN A DOLLAR BILL. AND THERE WAS A FEW THINGS I JUST WANTED TO REACH OUT TO. AND MY QUESTION IS IF I THINK HE SAID THAT A PROJECT LIKE THIS, THEY COULD SUBSCRIBE, IT WOULD FURNISH ABOUT 600 PEOPLE. WE DON'T HAVE 600 PEOPLE IN COURT. SO, THEREFORE IT MEANS IF IT CAN REACH 600 PEOPLE, WHY DO YOU HAVE TO PUT IT HERE? YOU CAN PUT IT ANYWHERE YOU CAN. SOUTHAMPTON IS BIG AND THEY GOT ALL THIS OPEN AREA. SO, IF YOU CAN PUT IT IN ANOTHER AREA, CAN'T YOU STILL REACH YOUR 600 PEOPLE? THAT'S MY LOGIC. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HOW ARE Y'ALL? AND THANK Y' ALL FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. I'M BRANDON APPLEWHITE. I LIVE AT 17219 PINOPOLIS ROAD, CAPERING, VIRGINIA. AND I ALSO, CURRENTLY AM ADJACENT LANDOWNER TO THIS PROPOSED PROJECT. AND JUST A COUPLE THINGS I HAD ON MY MIND. I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING REALLY PREPARED, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT PROFITABLE AGRICULTURE, FARMLAND, AND AGRICULTURE IS A BIG PART OF THIS COUNTY AND IS A BIG ECONOMIC PART OF THIS COUNTY, I THINK THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT PROPOSED PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, TAKING UP LAND THAT COULD BE USED FOR AGRICULTURE IS SOMETHING THAT WE, IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA TO CONSIDER. YOU KNOW. AND I THINK IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHOEVER MAKES THESE DECISIONS, AS FAR AS WHO MAKES A DETERMINATION OF WHAT VALUABLE FARMLAND IS, AND WE GET SOME GUYS THAT COME MAKE A PROPOSAL WHO HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF AGRICULTURE AT ALL AND TRY TO MAKE A PROPOSAL BASED ON JUST GENERAL INFORMATION OR USGS SURVEY OR WHATEVER, IT'S KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF FALSE INFORMATION ON THE REALITY OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. AND NUMBER TWO, BEING A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD NEXT TO IT. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HERE WANTS TO GO OUT ON THE BACK PORCH AND DRINK THE COFFEE AND LOOK AT THESE SOLAR PROJECTS, BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW IN THIS ROOM AND LIVE IN THIS COUNTY THAT THEY'RE HIDEOUS AND THEY'RE COMPLETE EYESORE WHEREVER THEY ARE. AND THERE'S NO WAY TO MAKE IT AESTHETICALLY PLEASING TO ANYBODY IN THIS COMMUNITY. AND A COUPLE THINGS I HEARD TONIGHT THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT IN THE PROPOSALS AS FAR AS THE BENEFIT, AND WE LOOK AT PROPOSALS AS FAR AS HOW CAN IT BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY AND THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE COUNTY, TAX PAYING CITIZENS, AND HOW THE COUNTY CAN UTILIZE THE RESOURCES TO BENEFIT EVERYBODY. AND YOU SAID YOU COULD POTENTIALLY GET A 20% REDUCTION IN YOUR BILL, BUT AS AN APPLICATION PROCESS, AND NONE OF US ARE GUARANTEED TO GET IT, EVEN IF WE LIVE HERE. 
          AND ONE THING THAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION MORE THAN ANYTHING WAS HE SAID IT GOES FROM MONTH TO MONTH AND IT CAN BE TERMINATED ANYTIME. 
          SO, THESE GUYS CAN ROLL IN HERE, PUT THIS PROJECT IN HERE, AND ME AND YOU AND WHOEVER COULD APPLY GET 20%. 
          WE GET $60 OFF A BILL THIS MONTH. THEY TERMINATE IT NEXT MONTH AND THEY'RE GONE. SO, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE FOR ANY SUSTAINABLE BENEFIT LONG TERM FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. AND YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL DOLLAR VALUE AT 100 AND WHAT, 70 SOME THOUSAND DOLLARS AND IT'S JUST NOT A WHOLE LOT OF VALUE THERE FOR A 35 YEAR PROJECT. AND BASED ON THE LOCATION, IT'S A POOR LOCATION. AND ALSO, I HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT TAPPING INTO POTENTIAL DOMINION LINE THAT THEY'RE 
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SAYING WHICH FRONTS THE ENTIRE PROPERTY I HAVE AND GOES ON THERE. 
          WHAT MORE IMPACTS COULD THEY WANT FROM ME OR EASEMENTS POTENTIALLY IN THE PROJECT MOVING FORWARD IF YOU EVER HAD TO EXPAND OR WHATEVER. 
          SO, ANYWAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. 
          HELLO. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS ORIO FUNCHES, I LIVE AT 23066 MAN ROAD. 
          CAN YOU SPELL YOUR NAME? JUST H O R A T I O F U N C H E S. FUNCHES, LIKE LUNCHES BUT FUNCHES. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          I JUST RECENTLY BOUGHT A PROPERTY THERE ABOUT TWO AND A HALF, MAYBE THREE YEARS AGO. PAID ABOUT 300,000. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY TOOK ME OR WHATNOT BUT I DID ABOUT TWO AND EIGHT YEARS IN THE MILITARY. THIS IS MY HOME, SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. I REMEMBER WHEN THE SCHOOLHOUSE WAS UP HERE. I ATTENDED THAT SCHOOL AND I HAD PROPERTY DOWN ROOSEVELT. SO, AS SOON AS THIS HOUSE CAME AVAILABLE, I HAD TO GET IT BECAUSE NOW IT'S GOING TO MAKE THE PROPERTY MORE VALUABLE BECAUSE NOW, I GOT A HOUSE. THEY GOT RUNNING WATER, SEWER. I HAD CALLED, THEY SAID THEY HAD SEWER THAT RUNS DOWN THE ROAD. EXCUSE ME, RUNS DOWN THE ROAD. SO, I HAD TO GET THIS PROPERTY. I WOULD NEVER BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY. ME BEING IN THE MILITARY TO TAKE ALL MY SAVINGS AND BUY A HOUSE THERE KNOWING THEY'RE GOING TO PUT A SOLAR FARM ACROSS THE STREET. NO OFFENSE TO THESE GUYS, I THINK THEY FINE GENTLEMEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S BUSINESS. 
          BUT NO ONE IS SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT THE PROPERTY VALUE. I WANT TO HAVE MY FAMILY LIVING THERE. I DON'T WANT MY PROPERTY TO DECREASE, I WANT IT TO INCREASE. AND I THINK THIS IS A BAD IDEA. I SEE THIS ALL THE TIME. IF YOU LOOK ON ANYTHING WITH YOUTUBE OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE, NO ONE SAYS ANYTHING GOOD. AND IF THEY WERE DOING THIS, I WOULD THINK WE WOULD GET SOME TYPE OF EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS TO THE ENERGY. NOT NO 20%. HOW ABOUT 50%? THEN I COULD THINK ABOUT HEY MAYBE WE WANT TO KEEP THIS THING HERE. 
          BUT JUST 20% DOES NOTHING. $60 WE HAVE TO DO BETTER. AND AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO LEAVE YOU WITH THIS HERE. I DID ABOUT SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF YEARS IN THE MILITARY. I WOULD NEVER BOUGHT MY PROPERTY HERE TO PAY PROPERTY TAXES HERE IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. IF I KNEW SOMEONE WAS GOING TO PUT AN EYESORE FARM IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE AND IF NOBODY DON'T LIKE THAT, JUST PUT IT IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS CHERYL MORTON. I LIVE ON 23285 WHITE HOUSE ROAD IN CORTLAND, VIRGINIA. AND I AM HERE TO SPEAK FOR THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE REZONING OF THE PROPERTY APOSTLE TAX PARCEL 74 21C. THAT PROPERTY. WE HAVE BEEN LIVING THERE. IT'S A COMMUNITY LIKE THEY SAID. AND I'MMA TRY NOT TO REPEAT, BUT IT'S SEVERAL THINGS TO WHAT MATT ROBERTS AND THE OTHER GENTLEMAN WAS TALKING ABOUT. THEY TALK, THEY TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING. 
          BUT WHAT MATTERS, LIVES THEY TALK ABOUT. AND I UNDERSTAND IT BECAUSE I WAS A BUSINESSWOMAN, I STILL AM. I OWNED A BUSINESS. I KNOW THE BUSINESS IS TO MAKE MONEY. BUT IN MY BUSINESS, I HAD A HOME HEALTH AGENCY. 
          IN MY BUSINESS, I DID NOT PUT MONEY IN FRONT OF MY CLIENTS, NOR MY EMPLOYEES. I WORKED WITH THEM AND I DID NOT PUT MONEY IN FRONT OF THAT BECAUSE MONEY IS A THING. PEOPLE ARE HUMAN BEINGS. PEOPLE HAVE LIVES, PEOPLE HAVE HOMES, PEOPLE HAVE BILLS THEY HAVE TO PAY TOO, BUT THEY WORK TOWARDS THAT. WE DON'T WANT THE LAND TO BE REZONED AND WE DON'T WANT SOLAR PANEL IN THE MIDDLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD. NOW I'VE BEEN DOING RESEARCH, I MEAN, I'M ABOUT MY HEAD ABOUT THIS FLOW WITH SO, MUCH STUFF I'VE BEEN ACCUMULATING. 
          BUT I WENT ON DIMENSION SITE AND YES, YOUR PANEL, WHAT YOU PRESENTED, I SAW ALL OF THAT. BUT THE ONE THING THAT I NOTICED, THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE SITES. HOLD 
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ON A MINUTE, I'M GOING TO GET IT. THEY HAVE SITES IN SEVERAL PLACES. ILLINOIS, NEW YORK, NEW JERSEY AND SEVERAL OTHER PLACES. AND ON THEIR WEBSITE, EVERY PLACE THAT THEY HAVE THOSE SOLAR PANELS IS NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD. SO, WHY DO BIG ENERGY COMPANY FROM ATLANTA, GEORGIA WANTS TO COME DOWN INTO OUR LITTLE SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD AND ENCIRCLE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WITH PANELS? DOES NOT COMPUTE TO ME. THE OTHER DAY I WENT OUT AND I KNOCKED ON DOORS TO LET PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THIS MEETING. THE LAST MONTH MEETING WE WERE TOLD WE DIDN'T HAVE TO SHOW UP. SO, I PUT THAT OUT AND PEOPLE DIDN'T SHOW. BUT WE SHOWED UP TONIGHT BECAUSE THIS IS A CONCERN TO US. WE DON'T WANT THE LAND TO BE REZONED. IT'S AGRICULTURE. IT'S BEEN THERE. 
          MY COUSIN SAYS SHE'S BEEN HERE LONGER THAN ME. I'VE BEEN ON EARTH FOR 68 YEARS AND I'M BLESSED TO LIVE IN A RURAL NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THE CRIME IS LOW. I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD. IF I WANT TO PLANT A GARDEN, I CAN. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC AND IT'S. IT'S JUST A GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD. THE ONE THING I CAN SAY TO DIMENSION AND I APPRECIATE IT IS THAT YOU GUYS BROUGHT OUR COMMUNITY TOGETHER AND I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          SO, WE JUST DO NOT WANT. AND I GOT A LOT OF STUFF HERE, BUT THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO SHARE. I WENT ON ALL SORTS SITES. I WENT ON GOVERNMENT SITES. I DID A LITTLE AI AND DOMINION DIMENSION, ALL THE DIFFERENT SITES. AND IN THEIR ORDINANCE, THEY WANT TO PUT. Y'ALL SAY Y'ALL GOING TO PUT COMMUNITY ENERGY, RIGHT? A SHARE WITH THE OKAY. 
          AND THE IN THIS AUDIENCE THEY GOT COMMERCIAL RENEWABLE ENERGY GENERATION. NOW I ASKED THE EIGHT, ADD THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ALL OF THEM. COMMUNITY SOLAR IS SHARED SOLAR, LIKE THEY SAID. TYPICAL SIZE IS 1 TO 10 MILLI WATT GRID CONNECTION AND IT SERVES HOUSEHOLDS AND BUSINESSES. 
          NOW, COMMERCIAL SOLAR, WHICH IS IN THIS AUDIENCE THAT THEY WANT TO PUT COMMERCIAL RENEWABLE ENERGY GENERATION, THAT'S TYPICAL SIZE IS 10 TO 50 MEGAWATTS AND IT HAS THE GRID CONNECTION. AND THAT'S FOR BUSINESSES, MUNICIPALITIES AND UTILITIES AND STUFF. THEN YOU GOT UTILITY SCALE SOLAR FARM AND THAT'S BIGGER. THAT'S A 10 MEGAWATT TO 1,000 PLUS MEGAWATT GRID CONNECTION. 
          IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS, THEY SAID DIMENSION PEOPLE SAID THAT THEY WILL NOT USE BATTERIES, WHICH IS GOOD BECAUSE THEY CAN CATCH FIRE. 
          THEY SAID THEY WILL CONNECT TO THE ELECTRICAL GRID, WHICH IS UNDERGROUND, WHICH IS GOOD. AND WE KNOW THAT SOLAR, THE PANELS ONLY COLLECT THE SOLAR WHEN THE SUN IS HIGH, THEN AT NIGHTTIME OR WHEN THERE'S NO SUN, WHEN IT'S CONNECTED TO THE ELECTRICAL GRID, THEN THE GRID DISPENSES THE ENERGY. 
          BUT WE DO NOT WANT THOSE PANELS THERE BECAUSE OF THEIR AESTHETICS. WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT GLARE. WE HAVE A CHURCH, WE HAVE BUSINESSES, WE HAVE HOMES, WE PAY OUR TAXES. AND IT'S JUST AN EYESORE. AND IF THEY HAVE NOT PUT IT 
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IN THOSE BIG CITIES, PUT SOLAR PANELS IN THE MIDDLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE BIG CITIES, WHY COME TO THIS LITTLE BIT OF NEIGHBORHOOD AND TRY TO DROP PANELS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE WE LIVE? AND THOSE CITIES WAS ILLINOIS, PENNSYLVANIA, CALIFORNIA, NEW JERSEY, NEW YORK AND VIRGINIA. AND NEITHER ONE HAVE SOLAR PANELS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. NOW, I LIKE THIS QUOTE. IT'S ATTRIBUTED TO EDMUND BURKE AND IT STATES, THE ONLY THING NECESSARY FOR THE TRIUMPH OF EVIL IS THAT GOOD MEN DO NOTHING. THAT MEANS WOMEN TOO. WHICH MEANS THAT IF WE SEE AN INJUSTICE, IF WE SEE SOMETHING WRONG, THEN WE SHOULD ACT ON THAT TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING. 
          I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT MR. RANDALL SAID LAST WEEK ABOUT YOU HAD EXCUSED YOURSELF, YOU WEREN'T IN HERE. HE WAS IN CHARGE THAT IF THEY MEET THE AUDIENCE, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY DID BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DROP PANELS IN THE MIDDLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD ON FARMLAND THAT CAN BE USE FOR TO GROW CROPS AND OTHER THINGS. 
          AND SUPPOSE SOMEBODY WANT TO. 
          AND THEY TALKED ABOUT HOMES AND WHAT THAT WOULD DO. WHAT ARE THOSE SOLAR PANELS GOING TO DO? IT'S GOING TO DISRUPT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE CONSTRUCTION, WITH THE TRAFFIC. THEN THEY TALKED ABOUT IT'S COMING TO ME NOW. TALKED ABOUT EMPLOYING PEOPLE FIVE TO SEVEN. I BELIEVE I READ IN THAT AUDIENCE COMPREHENSIVE THING. WHAT IS IT? APPLICATION NARRATIVE. I PUT UP ALL THIS STUFF IN THE APPLICATION NARRATIVE. 
          YOU'RE GOING TO EMPLOY FIVE TO SEVEN PEOPLE DURING THE CONSTRUCTION. 
          BUT IT'S TEMPORARY FOR ABOUT SIX MONTHS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID. THE PROJECT WILL PROBABLY TAKE ABOUT SIX MONTHS. THAT'S TEMPORARY. AND THEN ONE FULL TIME. SO, THEY WANT TO COME AND DISRUPT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FOR ONE FULL TIME PERSON DURING THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT. WE DON'T LIKE THAT AND WE DON'T WANT IT SO. 
          AND THEN THEY TALKED ABOUT THE REVENUE FOR THE COUNTY. THAT'S GOOD, BUT MAKE IT WORTH OUR WHILE. 
          BUT WE DON'T WANT IT ANYWAY. 
          BUT THAT MONEY OVER THAT LIFETIME. AND HE TALKED ABOUT THE SOLAR PANELS. I LOOKED AT THOSE TOO. THOSE SOLAR PANELS, IF THEY ARE DAMAGED, THEN THERE IS HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS IN THEM. 
          WE HAVE WEATHER THAT'S UNPREDICTABLE AT TIMES. IT CAUSES DAMAGES TO THINGS. AND IF THOSE LEAK OR IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO SOMEBODY IN THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF THOSE PANELS BEING SO, CLOSE TO THE COMMUNITY, THAT'S A LAWSUIT. NOT ONLY THAT, IF THIS PROJECT, AND WE PRAY THAT IT DON'T GET PASSED THE SUPREME VIRGINIA SUPREME COURT HAS MADE AN AVENUE FOR US THAT WE CAN GO AGAINST THAT. WE PRAY THAT THEY DON'T GET THAT FAR BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY MEET THE NEED BECAUSE THEY KEEP CHANGING THE WORDING TO THE APPLICATION. 
          THEN THEY PUT IN THERE, INCLUDING WIND ENERGY. THAT'S THOSE TURBINES. THEY DIDN'T SAY THAT AT FIRST. NOW THEY INCLUDED WIND ENERGY. AND I KNOW, I LOOKED AT THE THING. I KNOW IT'S INCLUDED UNDER THE UTILITY SCALE THING. 
          IT'S NOT A STANDALONE, A STANDALONE THING FOR THAT. 
          IT'S INCLUDED ON THE UTILITY. 
          UNDER THE UTILITY. I ASKED AI ABOUT THAT TOO, BUT THERE'S NO SPECIFICS BECAUSE IT'S INCLUDED WITH THIS UTILITY ORDINANCE. 
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NOW IF GRANTED THAT THEY WOULD GET REZONING. THEY SPEAK ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS THAT THEY WILL DO, THEY MAY DO. BUT THERE WAS A SAYING SOMETIMES IT WILL SAY IF DUCK QUACKS BELIEVE THAT'S A DUCK. AND WE DON'T WANT. 
          BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW IF THE AUDIENCE GET CHANGED AND WHO IS TO SAY WHAT THEY WOULD DO TO THAT PROPERTY? WHO IS TO SAY THEN THIS DECOMMISSIONING. 
          THEY GOT TO DISRUPT THE LAND AGAIN, TAKE UP ALL THE STUFF UNDERGROUND SOLAR PANELS. THEY SAY IT'S CHEAPER TO JUST PUT THEM ON LANDFILLS OR WHATEVER. AND THAT'S STILL HAZARDOUS TO THE ENVIRONMENT. AND OUR DEER, THE DEER RUNS ALL THROUGH THERE BECAUSE PEOPLE USED TO HUNT ON THAT LAND. WHAT ABOUT THE DEER? THAT'S FOOD. 
          THE LAND PRODUCES FOOD. AND SO, WE ARE JUST NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT. WE DO NOT WANT THE LAND TO BE ZONED. WE DON'T WANT THE APPLICATION TO BE APPROVED. BIG. OH, LET ME, LET ME GIVE YOU THIS. LET ME GIVE YOU THIS AND THEN I'LL SIT DOWN. I ALSO, WENT ON SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY SITE SAYS WELCOME TO SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. FOUNDED IN 1749, SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, VIRGINIA OWES ITS RICH HERITAGE TO AGRICULTURE AND FORESTRY. 
          FOR GENERATIONS, OUR LAND ASSETS 600 SQUARE MILES HAVE SERVED OUR RESIDENTS WELL. AND OUR PEOPLE HAVE MAINTAINED HIGH QUALITY WORK STANDARDS THROUGH THEIR DEDICATION AND COMMITMENT TO THE LAND. LAND MAY BE OUR MOST PLENTIFUL RESOURCE, BUT OUR PEOPLE ARE OUR GREATEST RESOURCE. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS DYLAN TAYLOR. I LIVE AT CITY 1642 MOUNT VERNON STREET IN PETERSBURG, VIRGINIA. COME DOWN HERE QUITE OFTEN. HUNT UP BY THE COUNTY LINE BY CASH'S CORNER. GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND DR. EDWARDS. MY NAME IS DYLAN TAYLOR AND I REPRESENT ENERGY RIGHT. AS OUR DIRECTOR OF POLICY, WE ARE AN EDUCATIONAL NONPROFIT THAT WORKS WITH LOCALITIES AND COMMUNITIES ACROSS VIRGINIA AND ALL 95 COUNTIES TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE CHANGING ENERGY LANDSCAPE. 
          SMALL SCALE SUB 5 MEGAWATT PROJECTS ARE UNIQUE IN THAT THEY DIRECTLY TIE INTO THE LOCAL DISTRIBUTION GRID. 
          BECAUSE OF THEIR SIZE AND POINT OF INTERCONNECTION, IT DOES NOT REQUIRE NEW OR INTENSIVE TRANSMISSION INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          FOR A COUNTY THAT PLACES A HIGH VALUE ON AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTIVITY LAND USE, THAT DISTINCTION IS VERY IMPORTANT. 
          THERE'S ALSO, A PRACTICAL BENEFIT TO CONNECTING DIRECTLY TO THE LOCAL GRID. A PROJECT LIKE THIS CAN ADD GENERATION CLOSER TO WHERE ELECTRICITY IS ACTUALLY BEING USED INSTEAD OF SENDING IT OFF INTO OTHER PLACES. 
          STRENGTHENING THE LOCAL GRID AND PROVIDING ADDITIONAL RESILIENCE DURING POWER OUTAGES AND SEVERE WEATHER. WHEN THE GRID IS UNDER STRESS, HAVING GENERATION CLOSER TO HOMES AND BUSINESSES CAN HELP SUPPORT THE SYSTEM AND KEEP THE LIGHTS ON. TAKEN TOGETHER, THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS HAVE A RELATIVELY MINIMAL LAND IMPACT FOR ITS SIZE. CONNECTING DIRECTLY TO A LOCAL DISTRIBUTION GRID DOES NOT REQUIRE A SIGNIFICANT NEW TRANSMISSION INFRASTRUCTURE, ALL WHILE PROVIDING MUCH NEED ELECTRONS ON OUR EVER STRESSED GRID. 
          ENERGY RIGHT IS HERE TO BE A RESOURCE TO THE COUNTY, ITS STAFF, AND ITS CITIZENS AS THE COUNTY CONTINUES TO EVALUATE ENERGY PROJECTS AND FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? LAST CALL. NOT RUSHING YOU, BUT LAST CALL. ALL RIGHT, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
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FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE WHO'S SPOKEN TONIGHT, THE APPLICANT, THE ONES THAT LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY, WANT TO HAVE CONCERNS. THANK YOU. 
          I'M PROUD OF ALL OF YOU ALL. 
          YOU ALL CONDUCTED YOURSELF VERY PROFESSIONALLY. IT WAS A VERY ORDERLY DISCUSSION. OKAY? AND WE APPRECIATE THAT FACT THAT REFLECTS HUGELY ON SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. SO, THANK YOU ALL INVOLVED. ALL RIGHT, PANEL, WE'VE HEARD THE COMMENTS. 
          WE'VE HEARD THE QUESTION ABOUT THE APPLICATION, ABOUT THE PROJECT. WE'VE HEARD THE CONCERNS. SO, THE FLOOR NOW IS OPEN FOR ANY OTHER COMMENTS. 
          FIRST OF ALL, THE BASIC THING IS THIS DISCOUNT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING TO ME. IT'S GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS PROJECT. ABSOLUTELY ZERO. THIS PROJECT WAS STARTED BACK WHEN A LOT OF PEOPLE DID NOT KNOW ABOUT, WAS DONE SECRETLY. AND THESE PEOPLE WERE WOUND AND DINED AND CAME IN HERE, PROBABLY SPENT A LOT OF MONEY. AND I THINK IT WAS A BASIC FAILURE WITH OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT THAT THESE PEOPLE SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN INVOLVED ACKNOWLEDGE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FROM THE BEGINNING WITH, AND THIS WILL HAVE NEVER TAKEN PLACE. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS THE BIBLE THAT WE GO BY FOR LAND USE IN THIS COUNTY. 
          WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          IT'S PUT TOGETHER WITH A LOT OF THOUGHT AND A LOT OF CARING. AND FIRST OF ALL, IT SAYS TO PRESERVE THE FARMLAND. 
          THERE'S FARMLAND HERE THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE FARMED ANYMORE. THE SECOND THING IS THIS IS IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, AND I CAN'T VOTE FOR ANYTHING THAT I COULDN'T PUT IN MY RESIDENTIAL AREA. I WOULDN'T WANT IT IN MINE. SO, I THINK IT'S A FAILURE THAT THIS THING GOT OFF TO THE WRONG START AT THE BEGINNING. THESE PEOPLE HAVE A LOT AT STAKE HERE. IT JUST DOES NOT FIT THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE FOR THIS COUNTY. SO, LIKE I SAID, THE DISCOUNT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING TO ME. 
          IT'S A FACT THAT THIS THING SHOULD HAVE BEEN KNOCKED IN THE HEAD BEGINNING. IT GOES AGAINST THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          NOW, IF YOU GO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND YOU CHANGE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WASN'T CHANGED. THERE WAS NO. NO IMPETUS TO DO THAT. AND THAT WAS THE FIRST THING THAT SHOULD HAVE. SHOULD HAVE COME AROUND, OKAY? BUT THAT DIDN'T. SO, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS CIRCUMVENTED. AND I'M NOT ABOUT TO VOTE FOR ANYTHING THAT CIRCUMVENTS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO, I'M 100% AGAINST THIS PROJECT. 
          THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I WAS JUST LOOKING AT A COMMENT THAT WAS MADE FROM THE AUDIENCE AND THEY WERE. 
          THIS STATEMENT WAS MADE ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT WAS THE ROLE OF THE SOLAR PANEL FARM DURING A POWER OUTAGE? CORRECT. AND DURING POWER OUTAGE SOLAR FARMS IMMEDIATELY SHUT DOWN. THEY DON'T CONTRIBUTE ANYTHING WHETHER IT'S RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL OR WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE POWER SHOOTING DOWN THE LINE AND BLOW YOUR LINEMAN OFF THE LINE WHEN HE'S DOWN THERE REPAIRING WHATEVER WENT WRONG. SO, I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT OUT FOR CLARITY'S SAKE. 
          GOOD, GOOD COMMENT. THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? THIS IS A, THIS IS A BIG ISSUE AND WE'LL BE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT. I CAN, I CONCUR WITH THE SETTLEMENT ON THIS BOARD. YOU KNOW WE HAVE GUIDELINES BEING WELL, ALL CERTIFIED BUILDING. MR. ERCOT, YOU'RE WORKING ON YOUR CERTIFICATION. WE'RE ALL CERTIFIED PLANNERS. FOR THE AUDIENCE THAT DOESN'T KNOW THAT WE'VE ALL ATTENDED SCHOOL TO DESERVE THIS NON PAYING JOB THAT WE DO. WE VOLUNTEER OUR SERVICES, WE GET PAID GAS MONEY BACK AND FORTH TO OUR JOB ANYWAY. BUT ANYHOW. 
          BUT WE TAKE OUR JOB VERY SERIOUSLY. BUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS OUR GUIDELINE. WE HELP TO WRITE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT'S OUR VISION. 10, 15, 20 YEARS OUT, IT'S GOING TO CHANGE SOME. 
          THAT'S WHY WE REVISE EVERY FIVE YEARS. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS 
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VERY DIRECT. YES, WE DO PRESERVE FARMLAND. THE AGRICULTURAL INDUSTRY IS OUR NUMBER ONE INDUSTRY IN THE COUNTY. THAT'S WHAT MADE US ECONOMICALLY WHO WE ARE. 
          THE FARMLAND AND THE FOREST LAND. OKAY, SO, UP TO THIS POINT THAT'S WHAT'S DRIVEN THE ECONOMY OF OUR GREAT COUNTY. 
          IF YOU WERE HERE EARLIER IN THE MEETING, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BATTERY STORAGE AT ANOTHER FACILITY ENTIRELY DIFFERENT. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE IT FOR 671 OR SHADED BROOK TRAIL. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE IT. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DRIVE UP ON THE PREMISES TO SEE IT. 
          PART OF IT WAS A RECLAIMED SAND MINE. PART OF IT, THE SOIL THAT IS UNPRODUCTIVE, IT WON'T GROW GRASS. THAT'D PROBABLY BE A GOOD PLACE TO PUT A SOIL TO FARM. YOU KNOW IT WOULDN'T GROW GRASS ON IT BUT IT WAS THE PERFECT SITE. 
          HOW THEY FOUND THAT I DON'T KNOW BUT THAT WAS A PERFECT SITE. 
          IF YOU'RE INTO SOLAR IT'S PERFECT PLACE FOR IT. AND THEY'VE AGREED TO PUT IN THE BATTERY STORAGE WHICH IS ANOTHER PLUS. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, THIS SITE ON OFF MAHARAN ROAD AT 135 IS NOT THE PERFECT SITE. IT'S NOT. 
          AND I CONCUR WITH OTHER MEMBERS OF THIS PANEL. I DON'T WANT IT IN MY FRONT YARD AND MY BACKYARD EITHER. I DON'T WANT THE FENCE, OKAY? I DON'T WANT THAT SIX FOOT FENCE WITH THE BARK. IT MAKES ME FEEL LIKE I'M TRAPPED. EVEN THOUGH YOU MIGHT NOT OWN THAT PROPERTY TO ME, I JUST WOULDN'T LIKE THE DEFENSE PART OF IT. 
          BUT I FARM. I DO FARM NEXT TO A SOLAR PROJECT IN NEW SLUMS. I DON'T OWN LAND, BUT IT HURTS ME. AND I'M NOT A DEER HUNTER. AND DEER EAT A LOT OF MY CROP. I FEED A LOT OF. 
          MR. RANDALL, I FEED THE WILDLIFE. BUT THE WILDLIFE, IF YOU. IF YOU'RE INTO THE WILDLIFE. I LIKE ANIMALS TOO, OKAY? THEY CAN'T ROAM FREELY. I MEAN, WHERE I LIVE AT. I'VE EVEN GOT BLACK BEAR ON MY FARM AT THE BACK OF MY HOME FARM, IT DON'T BOTHER ME, DOESN'T RUN MY HOUSE YET. I MIGHT HAVE TO FILL SOME BACK ONE DAY. BUT I'M JUST SAYING IT DOES IMPACT THE WILDLIFE AS WELL. AND THEN WE GOT OUR RICH HISTORY AND SUCH AN APPRECIATION, MS. AUSTIN, BECAUSE YOU RECOGNIZE SOME NUMBERS FROM OUR TRUE COUNTRY ORIGIN. 
          THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. YES, I'M SORRY I DIDN'T TAKE NOTE OF THAT IN THAT STUDY. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING OUR ATTENTION. 
          THAT WASN'T FORMALIZED. 
          AGAIN, THAT'S A MISTAKE THAT OUR DEPARTMENT MADE. WE'LL TRY TO NOT LET THAT HAPPEN AGAIN, BUT. SO, I DO SYMPATHIZE. YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS, GUYS? AND LOOK, THESE GUYS RIGHT HERE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LOSE A NICKEL OVER THIS. 
          THEY GOT NOTHING VESTED IN IT. THEY'RE SALESMEN. AND BY THE WAY, IF YOU ALL STOP SELLING SOLAR PANELS, YOU'D BE GREAT CAR SALESMEN, BOTH OF YOU. 
          BUT THAT BEING. 
          BUT THAT BEING SAID, LIKE I SAID, YOU'RE NOT HURTING THESE GUYS HERE. THEY'RE DOING THEIR JOB. BUT WE HAVE A JOB TO DO TOO, AND WE HAVE TO ABIDE. FORTUNATELY, IN SOME OF YOU ALL'S FEELINGS TONIGHT, COMPREHENSIVE PLANS IN YOUR FAVOR. SOMETIMES IT WON'T BE, BUT TONIGHT IT IS. 
          OKAY, BECAUSE WE HELPED DESIGN IT AND THEN WE HAD PUBLIC INPUT. AND DON'T FORGET, WHEN IT COMES UP AGAIN, IT'LL BE IN THE NEWSPAPER. 
          PLEASE COME AND SHARE YOUR VIEWS SO, WE GET IT RIGHT FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. 
          THAT'LL BE COMING UP IN A COUPLE YEARS, BY THE WAY, SO, DON'T FORGET THAT, PLEASE. THAT'S WHAT GUIDES US AS WE GO FORWARD. 
          IT'S NOT PERSONAL. NO, I DON'T LIKE THE PANELS. 
          I DON'T THINK THEY WORK. 
          I DON'T. THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. I THINK IT'S PART OF THE GREEN ENERGY INITIATIVE TO SATISFY THAT ENVIRONMENTAL GROUP. I'VE HEARD THAT SO, MANY TIMES. I BELIEVE IT. IT'S JUST A CONCERN TO SETTLE THOSE PEOPLE DOWN WITH THE WIND BECAUSE PEOPLE SAY THE TURBINES DON'T. THEY DON'T MAKE THAT MUCH ENERGY. 
          IT'S NOT COST EFFICIENT. 
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OKAY, I SAID IT. I'M GOING TO SAY IT BECAUSE I'M ONE OF THE SENIOR MEMBERS. I DON'T GIVE A FLIP WHAT THEY DO WITH ME AT THIS POINT. Y'ALL SEND ME HOME EARLY. I WALKED OUT OF THE MEETING LAST MONTH BECAUSE I GOT SO, TEED OFF. 
          BUT I'M NOT WALKING OUT TONIGHT. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE, TOO. SEVERAL OF YOU ALL SAID THAT. AND THE GENTLEMAN FROM THE MILITARY. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. 
          THANK YOU. I COMMEND YOU. AND I COMMEND YOU FOR WANTING TO COME HERE BACK TO YOUR ROOTS AND TO VALUE A PROPERTY. AND I'VE ALWAYS BELIEVED THAT THE ONES THAT WERE HERE FIRST. MS. AUSTIN. OKAY. YOU AND YOUR HERITAGE. OKAY. I'M GOING ON BACK NOW. AND I TRULY MEAN IT. THAT'S WHAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT ALL. AND THE YOUNG LADY. I THINK. I DON'T MEAN MY WIFE SAID. DON'T YOU POINT. DON'T YOU. I'M SORRY. I POINTED. I APOLOGIZE. MENTIONED. IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. THAT WAS KEY. I PASSED A. TAUGHT A SERMON ON THAT NIGHT RECENTLY. IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. IT'S ABOUT THE FRIENDSHIP AND THE PEOPLE. IT IS. THAT'S WHO MAKES SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY WHAT IT IS. 
          BUT SO, MANY TIMES. MONEY TO THE PICTURE. AND THIS IS ONE CASE. GENTLEMEN. I PERSONALLY. 
          I'M SHARING MY VIEW AHEAD OF MY VOTE. 
          BUT I'M HAVING A. I'M STRUGGLING WITH THIS. I THINK. 
          I THINK I'M GOING TO BE OPPOSED AS WELL. ALL RIGHT. ENOUGH OF ME SAYING. 
          MR. ALSTON. GO RIGHT AHEAD. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THERE ARE TOO MANY THINGS WRONG WITH THIS THAT DON'T OUTWEIGH THE RIGHT PART OF IT. AND WITH THAT, I CANNOT SUPPORT ANYTHING THAT AFFECTS AS MANY PEOPLE AS THIS PROJECT WOULD AFFECT. 
          LET'S FIND ANOTHER LOCATION. 
          LET'S FIND IT. THERE ARE PLACES. AND WE KNOW. WE'VE DONE IT TONIGHT ALREADY. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          THERE'S ANOTHER LOCATIONS. IS THIS, OKAY? I'LL MAKE IT A MOTION. 
          THERE'S TWO PARTS TO THIS. 
          THERE'S A REZONING AND A CONDITIONAL. 
          WELL, WE'RE GOING TO DO THE RESTOCK? WE HAD TO DO BOTH. WE GOT TO DO THE FIRST ONE. 
          OKAY, SO, THE REZONING. 
          FIRST. 
          I MOVE THAT WE DO NOT APPROVE THE APPLICATION FOR REZONING FOR THIS PROPERTY. 
          YOU'LL RECOMMEND A DENIAL. 
          RECOMMEND DENIAL. YES. 
          CORRECT. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY, SO, I HAVE A PROPER MOTION TO REHEARSE. SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          YES, SIR. 
          MAY I SUGGEST BEFORE WE VOTE THAT WE DO A ROLL CALL VOTE? YES, SIR, WE SURE CAN. ALL RIGHT, SO, I HAVE A PROPER MOTION AND A SECOND. THERE'S ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL READY FOR THE. 
          ALL RIGHT, MRS. AUSTIN, I. 
          NAY. NAY. 
          YOU WANT NAY? WE'RE VOTING FOR YOU. 
          WE'RE VOTING FOR THE MOTION, THOUGH, OF DENIAL OF DENIAL. 
          SO, THEN IT'S AN I SAY YES OR YES? YES. THE MOTION IS FOR THE. 
          NOW THE SECRETARY. OKAY, GOT IT. GOT IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. 
          MR. TURNER. YES. MR. CLAUDE. 
          YES. 
          MR. RANDALL? YES. 
          MR. MAN. YES AND YES. SO, IT'S UNANIMOUS. OKAY. NOW WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? THIS WILL GO. 
          THIS IS JUST A RECOMMENDATION OF THE NOW TO THE BOARD SUPERVISOR. WE CAN'T MAKE DECISION IF WE'VE HEARD IT. THIS IS WHAT WE FEEL LIKE. I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYONE. THE APPLICANT, IF YOU CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THESE CONCERNS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT, AND FOR THE ONES THAT LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY OR HAVE A STAKE IN THE GAME, I ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO PLEASE ATTEND THIS BOARD SUPERVISOR MEETING. THAT'S WHERE IT'S GOING TO COUNT. SO, THANK YOU ALL AGAIN FOR BEING HERE. NOW YOU'RE. WELL, THAT CONCLUDES THIS PART OF THE MEETING. NO. 
          EXCUSE ME, IS THERE ANY. WE STILL NEED TO. MINUTES FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          USE PERMIT? YEAH. 
          MR. RAY, WE STILL NEED TO FOCUS IT DOWN WELL FOR THEM. WELL, THAT. WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT, CORRECT? ON A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          YES. I MEAN, THAT'S. YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          THAT'S COMING UP NEXT. 
          THAT IS PART OF THIS HEARING. 
          SO. SO, I THINK WE'VE PROBABLY HEARD ALL THE TESTIMONY, BUT I STILL NEED TO OPEN TO PUBLIC COMMENT, PERIOD. OR THE PUBLIC HEARING BACK OPEN. I THINK EVERYTHING'S BEEN SAID. 
          DITTO, I THINK. 
          BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING NEW TO COME FORWARD, WE'LL ENTERTAIN IT. CORRECT. 
          ALL RIGHT, SO, AT THIS POINT, THIS IS FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 
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FOR THAT SAME ACTIVITY, VERIFICATION. SO, THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS IS OPEN. IF THERE'S ANYTHING NEW TO BE BROUGHT THAT YOU HADN'T SAID BEFORE, THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY. 
          JUST FOR THE RECORD, DO WE NEED TO READ THAT CONDITION WHEN YOU PERMIT? CORRECT. 
          WE DO. 
          OKAY. 
          MR. REGAN. 
          OKAY. CUP 2026 03. APPLICATION BY MATTHEW ROBERTS, ESQUIRE, SOUTHAMPTON CSG1, LLC. 
          REQUESTED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATION OF A 4.95 MEGAWATTS COMMERCIAL RENEWABLE ENERGY FACILITY IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 18 282, A15.1 COMMERCIAL RENEWABLE ENERGY GENERATION FACILITY, UTILITY SCALE, INCLUDING WIND AND SOLAR PROJECT, WHICH IS A TYPO, SO, MY APOLOGIES. THERE. THE PROPERTY IS IDENTIFIED AS TAX PARCEL 74, 21C IS LOCATED AT 23149 MEHERRIN ROAD, ROUTE 35, LOCATED IN SOUTHWEST DISTRICT AND NEWSOM VOTING PRECINCT. 
          OKAY, SO, DID PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN THERE. IF ANYBODY HAS ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THEY'D LIKE TO PRESENT. JUST BE YOUR TIME. YES, MA'AM. COME FORWARD, PLEASE. 
          WE'RE VOTING ON THE PERMIT, BUT IF. IF THE REZONING HAVE BEEN DENIED, THEN HOW CAN THEY PUT A SOLAR FARM OUT THERE WITHOUT IT BEING REZONED TO INDUSTRIAL? YES, MA'AM, VERY GOOD QUESTION. IT'S PRETTY MUCH A FORMALITY. 
          OKAY. 
          IT WAS ADVERTISED IN PUBLIC EYES, SO, IT'S JUST A FORMALITY. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I THINK ALL HAS BEEN SAID. 
          ALL RIGHT. BUT ALL OF WHAT I SAID BEFORE COUNTS NOW, TOO. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          WE COULD DO IT ALL OVER TWO MORE AISLES IF YOU WANT TO. 
          THANK. THANK YOU, THOUGH. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. 
          IF NOT, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          YOU WANT ME TO DO IT AGAIN? I'M GOING TO DO IT AGAIN. IS THERE ANY OTHER. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS BOARD? THIS IS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ISSUANCE. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE DENY THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. DO I HEAR PROPS A SECOND? I HAVE A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, AGAIN. I'LL DO A ROLL CALL VOTE. MS. OLSON. 
          AYE. AYE. 
          YES. 
          MS. TURNER. 
          AYE. MR. CLAUDE. AYE. MR. DR. 
          EDWARDS. AYE. MR. RANDALL. 
          AYE. 
          MR. URQUHART. 
          AYE. 
          MR. MANN. 
          AYE. 
          MR. DRAKE SAYS AYE. SO, IT'S UNANIMOUS AGAIN. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THAT. THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC ERRANDS TONIGHT. WE GOT A COUPLE. 
          THEN WE HAVE TO DO MINUTES. 
          MINUTES. 
          THE MEETING'S NOT OVER. OKAY, BUT I'M GOING TO. I'M JUST GOING TO ASK. I'M GOING TO TAKE ABOUT A TWO MINUTE BREAK. TWO MINUTES IF YOU WANT. NOW, WE. 
          WE GOT A LITTLE MORE THINGS ON OUR AGENDA IN HOUSE BUSINESS. YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISMISS YOURSELVES. 
          NOW, YOU'RE WELCOME EITHER WAY. 
          SO, I'M GOING TO TAKE ABOUT A TWO MINUTE BREAK, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND GET ON WITH THE MINUTES. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. 
          SEE, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED. 
          TRYING TO DO SOMETHING ON THE TABLE, THAT'S ALL. 
          IT STARTED I DIDN'T KNOW. I CAN'T BELIEVE. I CAN'T BELIEVE IT WENT THROUGH ALL THIS. THIS IS MEGA BLOCKS. THESE CONSULTANT BURNS. MR. CLAUDE. 
          I DON'T REALLY KNOW. MR. PAUL TO BE. IT LOOKS REALLY EXPENSIVE. 
          OUR ADMINISTRATOR WHO'S NO 
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LONGER HERE WAS ENGINEERING. 
          BUT I ASKED THAT LADY DID THEY READ THE PLAN? SHE TOLD ME THEY DID. THEY DIDN'T. I'M JUST SURPRISED IT WENT THAT FAR. 
          IT'S REALLY, REALLY, AGAIN, AN EMBARRASSMENT TO THE COUNTY. I HATE TO EXPLAIN ALL THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BO IS GOING TO DO. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I PRETTY MUCH THINK THAT THE BO IS GOING TO DO THE SAME THING. 
          WELL, YOU DON'T KNOW. ALL RIGHT. YES, SIR. GO AHEAD. 
          I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT I'M GOING TO BE MAKING A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER NIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. CAN WE, IF WE CAN JUST GET THROUGH THOSE THAT WANT TO OPPOSE. 
          IT COULD OPPOSE. 
          CAN WE GET THROUGH THE MINUTES? OF COURSE WE CAN. I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW. 
          CHAIRMAN. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          IN ADVANCE. WHENEVER, WHENEVER YOU'D LIKE TO GET TO IT. 
          IT IS. BEFORE THE END OF THE FOOTBALL GAME. IT'S A BUSY NIGHT. 
          JUST TALKING GENERALLY, MR. RANDALL, YOUR WHISPERS ARE NOT WHISPERS. BUT I AGREE. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU CAN SUCK IT IF YOU WANT. 
          OKAY, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND RECONVENE NOW. SCORE IS 107 IF YOU'RE INTERESTED. SO. ALL RIGHT, GOOD. MINUTES. I WANT EVERYBODY TO PUT THEM MINUTES IN FRONT OF THEM, IF YOU WILL. JUST GOTTA, I GOTTA JUST A COUPLE THINGS FOR CLARIFICATION. OKAY, THAT'S. BUT I WANT TO GET IT, I WANT TO GET IT RIGHT BECAUSE THERE WAS A. I GOTTA FIND THEM IN MY STACK. THERE WAS A SENSE OF CONFUSION THAT I INSTIGATED AT THE LAST MEETING. AND I JUST WANT TO GET EVERYTHING RESULT AND GET BACK UPDATED. OKAY, SO, LET'S GO BACK. WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THE JUNE MEETING. 
          OR INVOLVES THE JUNE MEETING. 
          NOT JUNE, THE JULY MEETING. 
          IT'S A JULY MEETING. WHEN WE CAME LAST MONTH TO THE AUGUST MEETING, I KIND OF OPENED THE MEETING AS A CONTINUED MEETING. 
          THAT'S THE WAY THE PROCESS STARTED THAT THE MEETING WAS CONTINUED FROM THE JULY MEETING. AND THE REASON I DID THAT WAS BECAUSE IN READING THE JULY MINUTES, IT DIDN'T SHOW YOU. WE ADJOURNED THE MEETING. BUT MRS. LOWE, IF Y' ALL REMEMBER, MS. EMMA, YOU ALL WENT BACK AND CHECKED AND THAT'S WHEN THE VIDEO AND THE AUDIO Y' ALL TAKE IS IMPORTANT. IT WAS ADJOURNED, BUT IT DIDN'T GET INCLUDED IN THE MINUTES. SO, IT KIND OF MISLED ME, BUT I, I KNEW THAT SOMETHING CARRIED OVER. 
          AND WHAT WAS CARRIED OVER WAS VOTING ON THE APPLICATION FOR THE BATTERY STORAGE TO CONFORM TO OUR ORDINANCE STANDARDS. 
          THE QUESTION WAS BROUGHT UP, MR. CLAUDE, I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN YOU. AND WE AGREED TO NOT VOTE EVEN THOUGH THE HEARING WAS CONCLUDED. THE VOTE WAS CARRIED OVER TO THE LAST MEETING. AND THE REASON WE DIDN'T VOTE AT THE LAST MEETING, MR. REGAN, YOU DIDN'T BRING THE INFORMATION TO THE MEETING, CORRECT? RIGHT. 
          OKAY. BECAUSE THE PUBLIC NOTICE THE QUALIFICATIONS OR THE CRITERIA THAT CHANGED. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, WE DIDN'T GET TO NOTIFY THE PUBLIC. AND YOU JUST, YOU SAID IT WAS NO NEED TO BRING THE INFORMATION BECAUSE IT DIDN'T GET PUBLISHED. 
          RIGHT. 
          AT THE SAME TIME, THAT APPLICATION DIDN'T REALLY NEED TO BE RE ADVERTISED. 
          RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE THE PUBLIC HEARING HAD BEEN CONCLUDED. IT WAS JUST A VOTE ON THE APPLICATION HAD BEEN POSTPONED. SO, REALLY WE COULD HAVE VOTED ON THAT AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING, WHICH GOES TO THE FACT THAT WE DID ANOTHER ADVERTISEMENT FOR A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE SYNERGY GROUP THAT WASN'T REALLY NECESSARY. ARE YOU ALL 
          [02:45:02]
FOLLOWING THIS? I HOPE YOU CAN CATCH IT ON THE SPEAKER. SO, YOU GO BACK AND REVIEW IT. 
          IT'S A SIMPLE. AND I'M BLAMED. 
          I SHOULD HAVE BEEN TAKING NOTES TOO, AND I DIDN'T. 
          BUT THAT'S WHAT THREW ME OFF. 
          IT WASN'T THAT I THOUGHT IT WAS A CONTINUED MEETING BECAUSE IT WASN'T ADJOURNED, WHICH IT ACTUALLY WAS, BUT IT WASN'T A COURT. SO, THAT THREW ME OFF. 
          BUT ACTUALLY IT WAS A VOTE ON THE APPLICATION BECAUSE I THINK THE GENTLEMAN RIGHT HERE, HE SAID HE TOLD YOU, MR. PRINCE, RIGHT? HE SAID, NO PROBLEM, I CAN DO IT IN THREE OR FOUR BUSINESS DAYS. 
          THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID, NO PROBLEM. YOU COULD MAKE THAT. 
          YEAH. HE WOULD GIVE THE INFORMATION TO US. 
          AND YOU GOT THAT OUT TO US. 
          SO. ALL RIGHT, IF SO, WHAT WE NEED TO DO THE NEXT MEETING, WE NEED TO GET. WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT CORRECTION. 
          FROM LAST MEETING. BECAUSE IT MADE ME. LOOK, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND SOMEONE SAID, NO, IT'S A NEW MEETING, NEW MEETING. I THOUGHT, I THINK I CONVINCED SOME OF THEM, NO, IT'S A CONTINUING MEETING. AND THAT'S WHY I KIND OF WENT INTO THAT FORMAT NOW. SO, IF WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT TO GET THAT PART RIGHT, WHENEVER IT COMES UP, THE SIGNATURE, I'M WILLING TO SIGN THAT. NOW, THE OTHER THING THAT'S DISTURBING, IT MAY BE MY INTERNET SERVICE, BUT I WENT BACK AND VIEWED LAST MONTH'S MEETING AND WHAT I SAW ON THE VIDEO FOR LAST MONTH'S MEETING WHEN IT COMES ON, DR. 
          EDWARDS IS SPEAKING BECAUSE ACTUALLY I WAS HERE FOR, LIKE, THE FIRST 20 MINUTES OR SO. 
          AND THEN I DID LEAVE BECAUSE THERE WAS AN ISSUE AT HAND. 
          SO IT STARTS OUT THAT THE MEETING IS ALREADY IN PROGRESS. AND I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT PREVIOUS MEETINGS. I DON'T SEE THAT ANYWHERE. WE'VE ALWAYS STARTED IT AT 7 O'. 
          CLOCK. 
          SO, CAN ANYBODY EXPLAIN? BECAUSE I WANT TO KNOW WHY EVEN THE MISTAKE THAT I MADE, WHY WAS THAT ON THE VIDEO? AND THAT'S ON MY INTERNET, IN MY HOUSE. 
          I SURE CAN. 
          IT DOESN'T HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR INTERNET. 
          IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR INTERNET. YOUR MEETING WAS ON A DIFFERENT DAY. AND WHEN THE CALENDAR EVENTS FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS SUBMITTED TO SWAGIT THEY DID NOT HAVE THAT DATE FOR YOUR MEETING. SO, THEREFORE, THEY DIDN'T HAVE IT RECORDING OR ANYTHING FOR THAT EVENING. OKAY. AND WHEN WE REALIZED THAT, PAT WITH IT GOT ON THE PHONE WITH THEM AND SAID, I SENT THE DATES TO YOU, THE FIRST OF THE YEAR. IT'S NOT MY FAULT THAT YOU DIDN'T DOCUMENT IT CORRECTLY. AND WHEN THEY GOT IT UP IS WHEN DR. 
          EDWARDS WAS TALKING. 
          THANK YOU, MS. NEWSOM. 
          THANK YOU FOR CLEARING THAT. 
          WELL, GOOD. WELL, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, IT BOTHERED ME A LITTLE BIT. 
          IT DID BOTHER ME. 
          I UNDERSTAND. TRUST ME. IT BOTHERED ALL OF US. WHEN WE TRIED TO FIGURE OUT. 
          I SAID, WELL, MAYBE Y'ALL DOING IT TO CUT ME OUT. BUT THE THING ABOUT IT IS, IT HAPPENS. IT HAPPENS. 
          IT BOTHERED ME WHEN ALAN'S STARTING OFF TALKING, PROBABLY TOO WELL. ONE OTHER PERTINENT. 
          SO, THAT WAS THE ISSUE WITH THAT, BECAUSE. 
          HOW ABOUT THE AUDIO? WAS IT TAPED? IT WAS RECORDED. 
          SO, YOU HAVE AUDIO? YOU DO HAVE AUDIO? I BELIEVE THEY DO. 
          I THINK I HAVE AUDIO IN IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S HOW THE MINUTES WERE DONE. I DO BELIEVE. 
          I KNOW. AREN'T YOU TIRED OF MINUTES? SO, I. I DON'T DO MINUTES. 
          I JUST TIED A MINUTE. WE'LL GET IT RIGHT. 
          BUT EVERY MEETING, WE HAVE AUDIO THAT'S SEPARATE FROM THE INTERNET. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO, IF WE RUN INTO THIS AGAIN, WE GOT A BACKUP, WHICH I DON'T. 
          I HOPE WE DON'T. 
          BUT WE DID WHAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO, AND UNFORTUNATELY. 
          WELL, MA'AM, THIS IS. THIS IS THE ISSUE. WE USED TO HAVE AN ATTORNEY ALL THOSE YEARS. 
          I KNOW. 
          EVEN HIS SON, WHEN HE GOT SICK. 
          I KNOW. 
          AND WE DON'T HAVE HIM BY SICK. WE NEED SOMEBODY SITTING BY. NO DISRESPECT. 
          JACK, PLEASE. 
          YOU KNOW MY POSITION. 
          NO DISRESPECT. WELL, HE'S ON THE BOARD. 
          HE'S NOT THERE. 
          WE NEED THAT RIGHT. LEGAL TEAM BACK THERE. THAT LEGAL PERSON BACK THERE. TO. TO GUIDE US, BECAUSE I DO GET SIDETRACKED. 
          AND I KNEW I NEED TO BE HAMMERED DOWN FROM TIME TO TIME AND I NEED TO BE FOCUSED ON POINT, AND WE'RE NOT HAVING THAT NOW. I ASKED THAT MR. GREGORY BE BY TELEPHONE. WAS HE ON TELEPHONE LAST MEETING? YES, HE WAS. HE WAS. YES AND. 
          [02:50:01]
AND NO. HE HAD NO COMMENTS ABOUT THAT MEETING. 
          I HAD HIM ON THE TELEPHONE. 
          YES, I DID. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO, THE MEETING WAS OKAY. 
          I HAD THE RECORDER. YES. 
          AND HE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING. 
          EVERYTHING WAS DUE PROCESS. 
          HE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT. 
          OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THAT'S. 
          THAT'S A BIG RELIEF BECAUSE I THOUGHT HE MIGHT HAVE SAID GET RID OF MR. DRAKE. 
          NO, NO, SIR, I DIDN'T KNOW. 
          AND I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU WOULD GO ABOUT IF THERE IS A WAY. I WILL HAVE TO SPEAK WITH OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. 
          AS FAR AS. IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD HAVE AN ADDITIONAL. 
          IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE. HE'S. 1500 DOLLARS AN HOUR. 1500 DOLLARS AN HOUR. I THINK I'M GOING TO LAW SCHOOL NOW. 71. IS IT TOO LATE? 1500 DOLLARS AN HOUR IS WHAT I WAS TOLD. THAT'S TOO MUCH. I MEAN, IT'S TOO MUCH. 
          WHAT I WAS SAYING, MR. DRAKE, THAT'S WHAT I WAS CALLING WITH RANDOM. YOU NEED TO COOL OFF ON YOUR RACE SONG. 
          ALL I WAS SAYING IS NOT NECESSARILY UTILIZING OUR ATTORNEY, BUT GETTING YOUR OWN ATTORNEY FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT Y' Y'ALL COULD DO, I DON'T KNOW. I WOULD. 
          LIKE I SAID, I WAS TOLD THEY'D ADVERTISED AND THEN THEY DIDN'T GET ANY LOCAL. WHAT. WHATEVER. 
          SO, I'VE ACTUALLY INQUIRED ABOUT THAT, BUT I'M STILL HOPEFUL WE COULD GET SOMEONE JUST TO SIT IN TO GUIDE US, JUST TO BE SURE WE'RE ON TRACK AND FIRING. 
          PULL THE REINS IN A LITTLE BIT. YEAH, I WISH I HAD A LAW DEGREE. 
          KIND OF ON OUR OWN. WE'RE TRYING TO DO IT RIGHT. 
          THE MAIN THING IS THIS TECHNOLOGY IS GOING TO FAIL US AGAIN. 
          OH, YES, SIR. 
          IT'S HUMAN ERROR. BUT AS LONG AS WE'VE GOT THE MINUTES IT. IN HOUSE AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE TECHNOLOGY. 
          AND IT'S BECAUSE, LADIES, WE COVER. YOU ALL DO A TREMENDOUS JOB. YEAH, RIGHT. 
          AND. AND BELIEVE IT. 
          WITH ME UP HERE, I CAN. IT COULDN'T BE NO MORE CONFUSING. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          WE ALWAYS HAVE A BACKUP. 
          IF. EVEN IF THE VIDEO. 
          I'VE DONE MINUTES FOR YEARS. 
          IF YOU. 
          THE VIDEO FAILS, WE RECORD IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'LL BE A REPERCUSSION, BUT SOMETHING I DID OUT OF ORDER OR DIDN'T RECOGNIZE. I WOULDN'T WANT TO GET THE COUNTY AND JEOPARDIZE. 
          THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          YOU ALL NOTICE THAT MS. NEWSOM COMES TO ALL OUR MEETINGS, SO. 
          YEAH, WE'RE THANKFUL. 
          WE'VE BEEN. I THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSION OUGHT TO PUSH HER TO GO AHEAD AND GET THE CERTIFICATION DONE. 
          GET HER UP HERE. YEAH. 
          AND MS. NEWSOME, WHAT IS YOUR TITLE NOW? THE SAME CERTIFICATION ALL OF US HAVE. 
          RIGHT, JACK? WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR ALREADY SAID THAT WAS A STIPULATION WITH MY NEW POSITION. I AM THE DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER. 
          CONGRATULATIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WOW. 
          I HEARD THAT. I JUST WANTED. 
          YOU. I DIDN'T. I DIDN'T KNOW IT. 
          YEAH. 
          CONGRATULATIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WONDERFUL. YEAH. 
          OH, YEAH. 
          DEFINITELY PLANNING CERTIFICATION. 
          DR. EDWARDS, THAT WAS SUGGESTED A SUGGESTION. 
          I THINK IT'D BE GOOD IF YOU'RE COMING TO ALL THE MEETINGS. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW. 
          WELL, I GOTTA KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE COUNTY. 
          IT JUST SO, HAPPENS I GOT THE TEXTBOOKS RIGHT THERE. 
          ARE YOU DONE? HE THOUGHT IT PASSED. YEAH. A DIPLOMA. YOUR BOOK'S A LOT SMALLER. I HAD BIGGER BOOKS THAN THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          MY BOOK'S MUCH BIGGER THAN THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. I GUESS IT'S MORE CONDENSED NOW. 
          MAYBE SO. 
          ALL RIGHT. MR. PRINCE. YES, SIR. NOT YET. 
          PROVE THE MINUTES. 
          WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT LAST MONTH. 
          TALKING ABOUT THE MINUTES. 
          I JUST HAD ONE, SO. 
          MISS. I'LL GET TO YOU. MR. ALL RIGHT. HOLD ON A SECOND. MR. PRINCE. I'M GOING TO ASK YOU AGAIN. MR. PRINCE, YOU AND I ARE NOT SEEING EYE TO EYE RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY, LET'S SEE IT. 
          YOU. YOU'VE LOST MY TRUST, AND I WANT YOU TO GAIN IT BACK. 
          OKAY. LET'S GO. 
          I'M GOING TO ASK YOU AGAIN POINT BLANK, BECAUSE I WAS HOPING TO BE ON THAT TAPE, AND IT WASN'T. 
          DID YOU RE. WHEN I ASKED YOU LAST MONTH, I ASKED YOU TWICE. 
          I GAVE YOU A SECOND CHANCE. 
          ABOUT THE MEETING AT YOUR OFFICE. IT WAS ONLY TWO WEEKS PRIOR TO THAT, AND YOU DID. YOU SAID THERE WAS NOTHING ELSE THAT YOU COULD THINK OF TO REPORT ON, AND I ASKED YOU AGAIN. ARE YOU SURE? YEAH. 
          WELL, YOU SAID NOTHING ELSE. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. NOTHING ELSE. 
          REGRETTING THIS. THAT PROJECT OR WHATEVER THAT TOPIC WAS AT THE MOMENT, BUT YOU DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS RELEVANT. THIS COMMISSION THAT YOU HAD, PLANNING COMMISSIONERS AND OTHER ADMINISTRATIVE. YOU DIDN'T GET ANY DETAIL. I CAN'T GET IN DETAILS EITHER. OKAY. 
          BUT YOU COMPLETELY DENIED THAT 
          [02:55:01]
MEETING. IT WAS A PUBLIC MEETING. RIGHT? IT WASN'T A PUBLIC MEETING. 
          IT WASN'T. 
          NOT A PUBLIC MEETING. 
          IT WASN'T. 
          NOT A PUBLIC MEETING IN THE SENSE LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THIS. 
          WAS IT A CLOSED MEETING? IT WAS A MEETING. THERE WAS A MEETING THAT DISCUSSED. 
          DISCUSSED THAT THE PUBLIC, OR WAS IT CLOSED? ONLY TWO TYPES OF MEETINGS. WAS EVERYBODY INVITED OR A SELECT VIEW INVITE. 
          YES. SELECT VIEW. 
          SO, IT'S A CLOSED MEETING. 
          YOU CAN SAY CLOSE. YES, SIR. 
          AND WHAT DID I ASK YOU THE WEEK BEFORE THAT WHEN YOU CALLED ME AND INVITED ME TO THIS MEETING? OKAY, WHAT DID I ASK? WHAT DID I ASK YOU? IS THIS APPROPRIATE TO BRING. 
          YES, IT IS. IT IS. 
          THIS IS. THIS IS. 
          WE GOT TO GET THIS STRAIGHT. 
          OKAY, LET'S GET IT STRAIGHT. 
          YOU ASKED ME, IN MY OPINION, OF HAVING THIS MEETING WITH THE ONES THAT ATTENDED. 
          RIGHT. 
          WHAT DID I SAY? YOU SAY YOU DIDN'T WANT TO COME OR YOU DIDN'T THINK IT WAS APPROPRIATE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR YOU TO ATTEND. 
          I DON'T THINK IT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR ME. YOU EITHER WANT TO BE THERE, THAT'S FINE. DON'T YOU THINK YOU WERE EXPOSED TO PRIVILEGED INFORMATION? NO, NOT. NO. WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THAT WHOLE MEETING. 
          NO, NOT PRIVILEGED INFORMATION. 
          THAT INFORMATION WAS NEEDED TO HELP ME. HELP GUIDE ME IN DEVELOPING THE SOLAR ORDINANCE. 
          THAT'S WHAT THAT MEETING WAS ABOUT. 
          THAT MEETING, THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU DEVISED THAT YOU SENT OUT, WAS THAT YOUR OWNERS OR WAS IT THE DEVELOPER'S ORDINANCE? NO, IT'S NOT THE DEVELOPERS ORDINANCE. 
          IT WAS A DATA CENTER ORDINANCE. 
          THE DATA CENTER ORDINANCE. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT. 
          DID Y'ALL HEAR THAT? IT'S NOT. 
          IT'S THE DEVELOPERS ORDINANCE. 
          WHAT DID I JUST SAY? I JUST SAID IT WASN'T THE. 
          JUST REMEMBER THAT. 
          IT WAS NOT. 
          NO, IT WAS NOT. 
          IT'S THE DEVELOPER'S ORDINANCE, OKAY? NO, IT'S NOT THE DEVELOPER'S ORDINANCE. 
          YES, IT IS. 
          NO, IT'S NOT. 
          BUT ANYWAY. NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO DISCLOSE THE PERTINENT. 
          YES, I HAD TO LEAVE THAT MEETING. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO THERE. I'M NOT GOING TO JEOPARDIZE THIS. I'M NOT AGAINST DATA CENTERS. I DON'T KNOW WHY PEOPLE THINK I'M. I LEARNED A LOT FROM THAT MEETING. DIDN'T I SAY THAT? DID I SAY THAT WHEN I LEFT? IT STARTED OUT VERY INFORMATIVE, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, BANG. WHICH A PLANNING COMMISSIONER NEVER EXPOSES HIMSELF TO BECAUSE I HAD TO BE NEUTRAL. DR. EDWARDS, HE SERVED ON BOTH COMMITTEES, THIS COMMITTEE AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. HIS SITUATION IS DIFFERENT. BUT, SIR, YOU AND I SHOULD NEVER HAD BEEN EXPOSED TO THE ECHO. YOU. YOU CANNOT BE IMPARTIAL, JUST LIKE THIS GROUP HERE TONIGHT. 
          THAT WAS A TERRIBLE INJUSTICE, THAT THEY WENT THAT FAR, SPENDING MORE MONEY ON ALL OF THIS, SIR. I'VE NEVER SEEN SUCH A PACKET FOR A PROJECT AS SMALL AS THAT. 
          THEY DID ALL THE WORK YOU. 
          MR. PRINCE CALLS THEM. 
          HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, PROBABLY. I BLAME YOU, SIR. 
          THEY WERE DOING THAT. 
          I DO. 
          MR. PRINCE. MR. PRINCE. 
          YOU AIN'T CONFIDENT, SIR. NO, I'M SORRY. 
          FOR ME. 
          YOU ARE BETRAYING THIS COMMISSION. AND I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO MRS. LOU. DON'T MIND TELLING YOU, SIR, YOU'RE NOT QUALIFIED THIS JOB. 
          NO, YOU'RE NOT. YOU GAINED MY TRUST BACK. YOU PROVED ME WRONG. AND I'LL APOLOGIZE TO YOU IN THAT MEETING. YOU SHOULD NEVER HAVE ALLOWED YOURSELF AND CERTAINLY ALLOWED ME TO COME. AND I TOLD YOU I QUESTIONED ABOUT GOING. 
          WELL, I KNOW IN OUR CONVERSATION, CHAIRMAN DRAKE. 
          AND DON'T YOU EVER INVITE ANY OF US TO ANOTHER MEETING LIKE THAT. 
          OKAY, I WILL. 
          THIS BOARD IS THE MOST GENUINE GROUP. GROUP OF CITIZENS OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY I'VE EVER HAD TO PLEDGE A SERVANT WITH. 
          BUT YOU JEOPARDIZED ME. 
          I GAVE YOU AN. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S INTENTIONAL OR NOT. 
          BUT YOU DID. BUT, SIR, CHAIRMAN, SIR, ALSO, I HAVE TAKEN THE CLASS, SIR. 
          HAVE YOU. ARE YOU A CERTIFIED PLANNER? NO, I'M NOT. 
          WHAT QUALIFICATIONS DO YOU HAVE? WHAT QUALIFICATIONS DO YOU HAVE TO SERVE THIS PERMISSION? TELL ME. NO, NO, STOP, STOP, STOP. 
          WE'RE HERE. WE'RE HERE. 
          IF WE'RE MAKING PERSONAL ATTACKS, I DON'T THINK IT'S. 
          WHAT ARE YOUR QUALIFICATIONS? I DON'T THINK THIS IS PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION RIGHT NOW. 
          IT'S NOT THE POLICE. 
          IT'S JUST. I DON'T THINK IT'S PROFESSIONAL TO BE ENGAGING IN THAT AT THIS POINT. 
          IT'S NOT. I'M GOING TO STOP RIGHT THERE. 
          BUT I DO HAVE A PROBLEM, SIR. 
          I GOT YOU. AND I KNOW IN OUR CONVERSATION, I SAID, WELL, IF YOU FELT. DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE COMING TO THE MEETING, I DON'T THINK THIS IS APPROPRIATE FORM TO BE DISCUSSING. 
          [03:00:01]
RIGHT. 
          PERSONAL DISAGREEMENT. IT'S FOR THE COUNTY'S BUSINESS. 
          CORRECT. 
          WE SHOULD BE PROFESSIONAL AND WE SHOULD SHOW DECORUM. AND IT'S DETERIORATING TO NOT BEING APPROPRIATE DECORUM. SO, I'D ASK THAT WE WOULD STOP THIS DISCUSSION AND MOVE ON. 
          ALL RIGHT? BECAUSE WHEN YOU WENT ALONG THE LINES OF SPEAKING ABOUT EMPLOYMENT OR WHATEVER LIKE THAT, THAT'S A PERSONNEL MATTER AND THAT IS A CLOSED SESSION MATTER. 
          CAN WE HAVE A CLOSED SESSION, THOUGH? I FEEL THAT THE TEMPERATURE IS HIGH THAT WE DROP IT. 
          ALL RIGHT. WE'LL DROP RIGHT THERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, GUYS. MR. PRINCE, I APOLOGIZE FOR MY BEHAVIOR. 
          WELL, ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO FORWARD. LET'S GO BACK TO THE MINUTES. GO BACK TO THE MINUTES. SO, MY SECRETARIES, YOU'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH THE LANGUAGE TO AMEND THE MINUTES OF THAT JULY MEETING THAT IT WAS ADJOURNED. CORRECTLY. OKAY. 
          SO, JIM. 
          I DID. 
          YES, SIR. 
          COMMENT THAT I HAD. AND UNDERSTANDABLE. MY COMMENT WAS THAT BEING THAT WE DO HAVE FULL AUDIO THAT IS VERY PERTINENT TO THE THING, BECAUSE VIDEO REALLY, TO A POINT, DOESN'T GIVE YOU EXACTLY WHAT IT SAID. 
          YOU'RE JUST SEEING IMAGES. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT THE AUDIO IS WHAT ACTUALLY IS THE BASIS THAT BACKS UP WHATEVER RECORDED IN TEXT. 
          [3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
RIGHT. OKAY. I'M GLAD WE'RE DOING BOTH. THAT'S GOOD. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT. ALL RIGHT, SO, THE MINUTES THAT WERE PRESENTED TONIGHT OF OUR PREVIOUS MEETING, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONS, ANY CORRECTIONS? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED. 
          SECOND. 
          OKAY, HAVE A PROPER MOTION. 
          SECOND. TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED. ANY DISCUSSION, IF NOT ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVED ADMITTANCE AS PRESENTED SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED, LIKE PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, UNFINISHED BUSINESS. 
          [6. UNFINISHED BUSINESS ]
THIS SECTION IS THE CONTINUED DISCUSSION AND THE PRESENTATION OF THE DATA CENTER ZONING ORDINANCE. WOULD YOU ALL LIKE TO CONTINUE WITH THAT AND WE COULD GET THE STATUS UPDATE ON THE LAND FOR HEROES PROJECT? LET'S JUST DO THAT FIRST. AND I'M GOING TO ASK MR. PRINCE IF HE'LL ELABORATE ON THAT, PLEASE. 
          LAND FOR HEROES PROJECT. I'M STARTING THE REVIEW. I JUST RECEIVED THE PLANS FOR THAT PROJECT ON AUGUST, I THINK, 13TH. AND SO, IT'S CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW. 
          BUT IT'S A PRETTY WELL PUT TOGETHER PROJECT. THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT DRAINAGE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN, AS WELL AS THE EROSION SEDIMENT CONTROL PLAN. 
          AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE A ONE STORY, RATHER LONG FACILITY FOR THE WOUNDED WARRIORS. BUT THE PLAN REVIEW IS GOING WELL. 
          THEY DID A VERY GOOD JOB WITH THE PLAN. I DIDN'T HAVE AT THE TIME WHEN I SENT ALL THE INFORMATION OUT, I DIDN'T HAVE THE ACTUAL. I DIDN'T HAVE IT WHERE I COULD SEND IT OUT TO EVERYBODY. 
          BUT NEVERTHELESS, IT'S LOOKING GOOD. I'M GLAD THEY SUBMITTED SOMETHING AS THEY AGREED. 
          OKAY. WHEN DID THEY THINK CONSTRUCTION GOING TO START ON THAT? I HAVE TO FINISH THE REVIEW. 
          I'LL PROBABLY FINISH THE REVIEW SOMETIME NEXT WEEK. THEY'VE ONLY SUBMITTED THE SITE PLAN. 
          THEY HAVE NOT SUBMITTED THE BUILDING PLANS YET. SO, THERE'S NO. THEY HAVEN'T REALLY COMMITTED TO ANY KIND OF START DATE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO BACK UP TO ITEM NUMBER BIG. THEN THE DATA CENTER ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, I WANT TO COMMEND. DO YOU DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE ON AT ALL? RIGHT. 
          I DO HOPE. SHOULD EVERYBODY GET THIS HANDOUT AT YOUR SEAT TONIGHT? I THOUGHT THIS WAS. 
          WAS HUGE. JUST PART OF A LOT OF THE DIFFERENT, I GUESS, 
          [03:05:01]
CONCERNS OR OBJECTIVES, BENEFITS, I MEAN, SHOWS ALL SIDES OF CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU'RE DOING A DATA CENTER. I THOUGHT ONE THING REALLY INTERESTING AND I HAD THAT. I GOT ANOTHER COPY SOMEWHERE THAT. PRESENTLY, WHEN IT GOES TO OTHER HAMPTON ROADS LOCALITIES, PORTIONS OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY HAVE ZONING PROVISIONS RECOGNIZING DATA CENTERS, DATA PROCESSING. AND IT IS CORRECT. IT IS ON OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I REMEMBER THAT WHEN MS. LEWIS WAS HERE AND HELPED DIVIDE THAT PLAN. 
          BUT BACK THEN, WE WOULD THINK A DATA CENTER WAS A SMALLER COMPLEX, NOT A MEGA SITE. SO, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE THINGS HAVE CHANGED IN THE MEANTIME. 
          BUT IT'S A BIG TOPIC. IT'S A LOT OF THINGS TO CONSUME. IT'S GOING TO TAKE US, I THINK, SOME TIME TO COME UP WITH THE CORRECT ORDINANCE. 
          I THINK, MR. CHAIR, WHAT WE NEED TO GET STRAIGHT IS WE GO TO DO AN ORDINANCE OR WE GO TO A TODD. I THOUGHT WE HAD DECIDED TO DO A TODD INSTEAD OF AN ORDINANCE. WE GIVE US MORE LEVERAGE IN THE SITUATION. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          MR. PRINCE, I THINK WE TALKED. 
          YES. WELL, WE TALKED ABOUT TRYING TO DO BOTH, ACTUALLY, BECAUSE THEY OVERLAP. 
          TECHNOLOGY OVERLAY. 
          YES, THE TECHNOLOGY OVERLAY, WHICH WOULD GIVE US A LOT MORE LEEWAY. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. IT WOULD GIVE US MORE CONTROL. BECAUSE REMEMBER THE 1%, WE WERE KIND OF GROUNDBREAKING ON THAT IN SUFFOLK, KIND OF ADOPTED IT. 
          I DON'T LIKE THAT. 
          AND THEN THAT'S THE ARTICLE THAT WE GOT. SO, WE WERE KIND OF THE FIRST. AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE WERE THE FIRST OR SECOND, BUT WE WERE ONE OF THE FIRST TWO THAT STARTED THE 1%. SO, I LIKE THE 1% FOR THE SOLAR PANELS, BUT I THINK THE TODD. I LIKE CALLING IT TODD BECAUSE I CAN. 
          THAT'S WHAT THEY CALL. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S JUST NOT A TERM I'M FAMILIAR WITH. 
          OKAY. 
          I GOTTA KEEP LOOKING AT, MAKE SURE I'M BEING ACCURATE. 
          IS THAT THE TODD GIVES YOU MORE CONTROL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, IT'S EVEN. CAN BE EVEN. 
          AND IT GIVES YOU. IT GIVES THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MORE DISCRETION, MORE FLEXIBILITY. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT TIED INTO AN ORDINANCE A, B AND C. 
          RIGHT. IF SOMETHING UNUSUAL COMES ALONG, YOU CAN. YOU CAN MOVE THOSE BOUNDARIES, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DO. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE SEVERAL OF THE LOCALITIES ARE GOING TO BE. 
          RIGHT. 
          I'M NOT GOING TO SAY MOST OF THE COUNTIES AROUND RICHMOND, IN THE DINWIDDIE, I THINK IT'S. 
          YEAH. 
          GREENVILLE STARTING TO GO WITH THAT. SO, IN MY OPINION, I THINK WE NEED TO GO LOOK AT THE TODD. KNOW THAT THAT WOULD. WE'D BE BETTER OFF THAT THAN AN AUDIENCE. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT I'M JUST ONE OPINION. 
          WELL, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT INPUT. OKAY. 
          AND I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO SPEAK TO ONE OF THE PLANNERS THAT HAVE WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS, IF IT'S BY TELEPHONE OR GET SOME INFORMATION, BECAUSE AGAIN, THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH IT, THEY'VE HAD THE PROBLEMS HIT. 
          BECAUSE I THINK IT'S KIND OF A DOMINO EFFECT. AND WE'RE KIND OF LIKE THE 8, 10TH, 15TH DOMINO THAT THESE. THAT IT'S HITTING THESE. IT'S JUST LIKE SOLAR POWER. IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT POLITICAL WAVE. AND I THINK IT'S BENEFICIAL TO GET SOMEONE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MAYBE A SUPERVISOR'S MEMBER, A COUNCIL MEMBER, A PLANNER, BUT I'M THINKING THAT WHEN WE'RE. 
          BECAUSE WE HAVE LIKE A POLITICAL CONCEPT, WE HAVE TO GO THE TODD OR THE ORDINANCE. AND IT SEEMS LIKE THE TODD IS THE WAY TO GO, THE WAY THAT GOOCHLAND IS GOING. AND THE LAST MEETING, YOU KNOW, I TALKED ABOUT IT BECAUSE I WAS REVIEWING IT, AND IT WAS FASCINATING, BUT IT'S VERY FOREIGN CONCEPT TO ME BECAUSE NOT OF ANY OF OUR WESTERN TIDEWATER, THEY DON'T HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS. BUT IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE PROBLEMS, THIS IS WHAT HAS SPRUNG UP, IF I'M MAKING SENSE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, WELL, MAYBE WE'VE GOT TO DECIDE MAYBE THAT. WHICH POLITICAL. AND REMEMBER, WE'RE NOT THE POLITICIANS, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF NEED TO DO THE WORK AND THEN GIVE IT TO THE BOARD. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE DR. EDWARDS IS SAYING THIS IS SOMETHING. AND I AGREE WITH THEM THAT THIS IS THE WAY TO GO. 
          [03:10:01]
OKAY. 
          YOU WANT ME TRY TO ARRANGE SOMETHING, MAYBE HAVE SOMEBODY FROM ANOTHER LOCALITY COME AND SPEAK TO US AND KIND OF. 
          YEAH. 
          AND GIVE US SOME INPUT OR THE GOOCHLAND TODD WAS THE ONE THAT I WAS. I BELIEVE THAT I WAS OKAY LOOKING AT. 
          THAT'S THE ONE WE GOT LAST. 
          LAST MEETING. 
          THAT'S THE ONE. 
          THE GOOCHLAND. 
          YEAH. 
          CHAIRMAN DRAKE, I HAVE A COMMENT. 
          YES, SIR. 
          IN DEVELOPING THIS AND IN THE ORDINANCE EVERYTHING. 
          ONE OF MY ASSIGNMENTS IN THE CLASS WAS ATTENDING ANOTHER JURISDICTIONS MEETING. AND I BENEFITED FROM THAT BECAUSE TUESDAY NIGHT I WENT TO ALAWAI COUNTY'S WORKSHOP, AND IN THEIR WORKSHOP, THEY WERE WORKING ON THEIR DATA CENTER ORDINANCE. 
          OKAY. 
          WHICH THEN IT WAS. IT WAS A PUBLIC MEETING. NO COMMENT, NO PUBLIC HEARING. 
          BUT THEN EXPERTS WERE ALLOWED, ACCORDING TO. AND ALSO, THEIR STAFF WILL COME AND PRESENT AFFIDAVITS OR WHATEVER, LIKE THAT WHICH GIVE US MORE CLARITY IN THE INDIVIDUAL COMING IN TO PRESENT ON TODD. THAT WOULD BE THE BETTER SCENARIO FOR THAT. BUT I COULDN'T REMEMBER THAT HAD WE EVER DONE A SET ASIDE WORKSHOP LIKE THAT. 
          WELL, AND ONE QUESTION I HAVE, IS IT A COMBINATION DEAL? AND IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME THAT THERE'S NO COMBO, IS EITHER YOU DO THE STATUTE OR YOU DO THE TODD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, I DON'T THINK WE CAN. 
          BECAUSE IF WE DO THE STATUTE, THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL THE GAMES OVER WITH THE TODD. THERE'S MORE PUBLIC. LET'S JUST USE AN EXAMPLE. WE HAVE 15 FOLKS THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WE HAD, BUT 15 FOLKS THAT SAY IT'S TOO CLOSE TO THE HOUSING. WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DENY IT FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. IN MR. MAN'S LANGUAGE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THE THREE, FOUR SENTENCES. AND THAT GIVES US MORE DISCRETION NOW. 
          BUT THE QUESTION BECOMES, WELL, DISCRETION IS DISCRETIONARY. 
          SO, DO WE WANT THE STRUCTURED ORDINANCE OR DO WE WANT MORE DISCRETION WITH THE TODD AND THE CONDITION? IT'S SIMILAR TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. I WOULD THINK FOR OUR. 
          KIND OF OUR POLITICAL THEME, AND AGAIN, WE'RE NOT POLITICIANS, THAT THE TIDE WOULD BE MORE CONTROLLING, RESTRICTIVE. YOU CAN PICK A WORD. 
          YOUR EXAMPLE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A SETBACK OF A THOUSAND FEET IN THE NORTH, THAT MIGHT NOT BE ABOVE ENOUGH IN A CERTAIN SITUATION, YOU MIGHT LIKE TO HAVE SOMETHING THERE. SO, YOU PUT THE TODD, YOU COULD SAY IT'S 1500FT. 
          WELL, AS FIDUCIARIES OF SOUTHAMPTON, YOU COULD GO EITHER WAY. FIDUCIARIES OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. I THINK THAT THE CITIZENS WOULD APPRECIATE THERE IS A SCENARIO AND WE'VE HAD A RECENT SCENARIO. I THINK I CAN USE THIS GENTLEMAN. HE WAS VERY STATIC TO THE STATUTE. OKAY. 
          AND I COULD FORESEE A SCENARIO AND HIS PROJECT WAS IN THE RIGHT SPOT. SO, I'M NOT PICKING ON HIM. AND BEING CRITICAL IS THAT PEOPLE COME IN HERE AND SAY IT'S TOO CLOSE. 
          WELL, THEY'VE COMPLIED WITH THE STATUTE. WE REALLY. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU'RE KIND OF WASTING YOUR BREATH. I DON'T THINK WE WOULD HAVE THAT SAME SCENARIO WITH THE TODD. AND THAT'S MY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T DOVE INTO IT YET, BUT I'VE TALKED TO SEVERAL OTHER LAWYERS. 
          THAT'S THE GIST OF IT. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S. THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING. 
          BUT WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHICH A OR B. I DON'T THINK IT'S A COMBINATION OF THE TWO. AT LEAST THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          WELL, POINT OF CLARITY, ISN'T YOUR TECHNOLOGY OVERLAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THE DISTRICT. 
          CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          ISN'T THAT A COMPLIMENTARY PART TO YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? YES, IT'S AN OVERLAY ON YOUR RIGHT. 
          EXACTLY. 
          YOU GOT AN AREA. YOU PUT THE TIE THERE, SURROUND, PUT THE BORDERS AROUND AND THAT'S. THAT'S IT. 
          SO. 
          SO, THEN IT'S ALSO, BEEN A AREA DESIGNATED THAT THEN ALSO YOU CAN HAVE POLICY MORE INSTEAD OF STATUTORY ORDINANCE BLACK LETTER. YOU CAN HAVE IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT IT'S THE INTENT OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY TO NOT HAVE DATA CENTERS OF MORE THAN 1%. I MEAN, THAT'S MORE POLICY ORIENTED THAN ORDINANCE AND STATUTORY. AND THE ARTICLE IN SUFFOLK KIND OF RECAPTURES. IT WAS A REALLY GOOD ARTICLE THAT I SHOW IT TO YOU. IT'S HERE SOMEWHERE. 
          YEAH. AND IT TALKS ABOUT THAT THEIR CITY ATTORNEY IS. IT WAS 
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WILLIAM HUTCHINSON TOLD THE COMMISSIONERS. VIRGINIA THE NEW FRAMEWORK MEETS THE. IT CANNOT SIMPLY DECIDE THE UTILITY SCALE. SOLAR IS NO LONGER AN ACCEPTABLE USE OF AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY. AND THIS IS FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING FORWARD. AND THEY SAID LOCALITIES MUST ALLOW SOLAR UTILITIES, EVEN UTILITY AND AGRICULTURE, AND THEY CAN'T PROHIBIT IT. 
          AND THEN IT SAYS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS BECOME MORE IMPORTANT AND SUPPORTING THE RESTRICTIONS IN PLACES OF THE SOLAR. AND I'VE GOT THIS CUT OFF DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN IT GOES ON TO SAY THAT YOU'RE ONE. AND THEY BASICALLY FOLLOWED US AND WE WERE IN FRONT OF THE BUS. 
          WE DIDN'T GET RUN OVER, SO, WE KIND OF STAYED IN FRONT. SO. 
          SO, I THINK THAT THE DATA CENTERS ARE GOING TO COME EVEN STRONGER THAN THE SOLAR PROJECTS. AND OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME DATA CENTERS IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. SO, WE'VE GOT TO GET MOVING BECAUSE WE'VE GOT APPLICATIONS COMING AND THIS IS GOING TO HAVE TO EVEN BE QUICKER THAN OUR ORDINANCE. 
          SO, THESE ARE. AND I'M SAYING IT'S ANALOGOUS BECAUSE IT'S BASICALLY SAYING GET YOUR STUFF TOGETHER WITH YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND YOUR ORDINANCE. AND IT HAS TO MESH. SO, YOU'RE TAUGHT IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A SIMPLE PROCESS. IT'S GOING TO BE MUCH MORE COMPLICATED BECAUSE OF THE WAVE, THE MONEY, BECAUSE IT'S MUCH MORE ECONOMIC DESIRABILITY THERE THAN IN SOLAR. AND THIS GENTLEMAN'S A SOLAR EXPERT, SO, HE MAY DISAGREE BECAUSE I JUST DON'T KNOW. I'M JUST TRYING TO DO THE BEST I CAN FOR SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY AND MY LARGE PAYCHECK OF WHAT, $45. 
          BUT YOU TALK ABOUT THE WAVE. 
          WE GOT AHEAD OF THE WAVE WITH THE SOLAR. 
          YES. AND I THINK WE'RE CAUGHT IN THE WAVE NOW WITH DATA. 
          AND I DO TOO. 
          BUT I THINK WE DID GET RUN OVER ON THAT FIRST PROJECT. 
          WE DEFINITELY DID. 
          WE GOT RUN OVER ON THAT ONE. 
          AND A FEW MORE THINGS THAT CAME UP THAT I DID NOT DO A VERY GOOD JOB. WELL, WE. I THINK PEOPLE DIDN'T DO A GOOD JOB. 
          I TOLD YOU THAT. NO, IT'S ALL OF US. 
          YEAH. I THINK THE PEOPLE THAT WE MADE THE RECOMMENDATION TO DIDN'T DO A LOT OF LISTENING, AND BIG MONEY GOT INTO IT, AND IT WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WAS CONCERNED ON IT. I'M NOT SAYING YAY AND NAY TO THE TODD BY ANY MEANS. I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT WHEN WE'RE NOT EMOTIONAL, THAT WE BUILD SOME SAFETY NETS IN THERE SO, THAT WHEN IT COMES TIME TO VOTE ON IT, THAT EMOTIONS DO NOT PLAY IN THAT. 
          I'M JUST SAYING THAT WE'VE GOT TO DECIDE THAT FIRST. WE DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN A ROAD AND THEN HAVE TO COME TO A HALT AND THEN BACK UP. 
          SO, WE HAVE TO SPEND THE TIME TO MAKE A GOOD DECISION OF, YOU KNOW, DOOR A OR DOOR B. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I WISH WE HAD SOME COUNSEL ON THAT, BECAUSE I AM NOT AN EXPERT ON THAT. I MEAN, IT'S VERY. 
          IT'S KIND OF COMPLEX. 
          WELL, I WOULD SAY THAT ON FAR AS THE STATEMENT ON AS FAR AS DATA CENTERS BEING A CERTAINTY TO THIS AREA, THAT DOCUMENT THAT WAS THE SUMMARIZATION OF THE HAMPTON ROADS. 
          YES. 
          IN THE READING OF THAT, ONE OF THE MAJOR THINGS WHERE IT BASICALLY KILLS ALL DATA CENTER POINTS, PROJECTS EAST OF I95 IS JUST THE PURE WATER OF THE POTOMAC AQUIFER. THERE ISN'T SUFFICIENT WATER IN THE POTOMAC AQUIFER TO TAKE THE DRAWDOWN FROM IT. 
          AND THEY WERE EVEN STRESSING THAT IN OUR CLASS. 
          YEAH, BUT THE TECHNOLOGY IS. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF THE TODD, IT COMES ABOUT BECAUSE OF PEOPLE HAD TROUBLE WITH THEIR ORDINANCE. THAT'S THE BASIC UNDERLYING THEME. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S WHY THEY DEVELOPED THE TODD, AND THAT'S WHY I LIKE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THE ORDINANCE TELLS REGAN HOW TO REVIEW THEIR PLAN. IT TELLS US HOW TO LOOK AT THEIR PRELIMINARY, THAT THEY'VE GOT EVERYTHING. 
          THE TODD SELECTS PROPERTIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR THE DEMONSTRATION. AND SO, THE TWO WORK HAND IN HAND. 
          [03:20:01]
RIGHT. 
          LIKE WE WOULDN'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE DOING A TIDE FOR THE SOLAR FARMS. THERE'S A VERY GOOD CHANCE WE WOULDN'T HAVE PICKED MR. WHITE'S PROPERTY. BUT IT TURNS OUT IT'S PERFECT. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S. IT'S ALL GOT TO BE FLEXIBLE, AND IT ALL HAS TO BE ABLE TO HELP SUPPORT ITSELF. 
          I WOULD JUST ASK. 
          SO, WHEN YOU BRING UP THE AQUIFER, ONE THING THAT BOTHERS ME IS WE'RE ALL THINKING ABOUT SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT A DATA CENTER PROJECT ON THE SUFFOLK OR ON THE ISLE OF WIGHT END. SO, WE APPROVE IT. ISLE OF WIGHT TAKES A BITE OUT OF THEM BECAUSE WE DID. 
          SOMEBODY APPROVES ONE IN PETERSBURG. WE GET SOME OF THE DAMAGE FROM THAT. 
          I FOLLOW YOU. YEAH. 
          CAN YOU GUYS PUT THE CALL OUT TO TIDEWATER THAT WE NEED A DATA CENTER COMMISSION? WELL, SO, THAT WE ALL LOOK AT IS THAT WHERE DO YOU THINK, MR. PRINCE? NOW ARE YOU INVOLVED IN THIS? YEAH, THAT'S THE PLANT. HRPDC. 
          YEAH. SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY IS INVOLVED IN A VARIETY OF COMMITTEES RELATED TO THE HRPDC. 
          BUT IS THIS THE HAMPTON ROADS? YES, THAT'S WHAT IT IS. 
          HAMPTON ROADS PLANNING. 
          ARE THEY LOOKING AT EVERYWHERE COMING UP WITH A MASTER PLAN FOR THIS DISTRICT, FOR THE WHOLE SEVEN CITIES, VIRGINIA BEACH, CHESAPEAKE, EVERYWHERE, NEWPORT NEWS, HAMPTON, YORK COUNTY AS WELL. 
          THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE EFFECTS OF DATA CENTERS AND ALL THE THIS REGION. 
          CAN I ASK A QUESTION, MR. SINCE YOU WENT TO THE ISLE OF WIGHT MEETING, THERE WAS SOMETHING, A NEWS THING THAT WENT ACROSS, SOMETHING I WAS LOOKING AT AND IT'S THE STATED THAT ISLE OF WHITE HAD ALREADY DETERMINED THEY DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH WATER TO SUPPORT A DATA CENTER. DID THAT. YOU HEARD THAT. AND I THINK SUSSEX COUNTY MIGHT HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE OTHER COUNTIES. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THERE'S A APPENDIX ITEM IN THAT REPORT THAT SHOWS THE POTOMAC AQUIFER FROM RICHMOND DOWN IN EASTERN SHORE. 
          AND THEN IT ACTUALLY HAS COLOR CALL OUTS ON WHAT IS THE ACTUAL DRAW DOWN THAT WOULD BE A, THAT'S POSSIBLE FROM EACH AREAS. AND ALL OF US WERE RED FLAGGED IF WE WOULD IF A WHAT WAS A 300 GALLON THOUSAND GALLON DRAWDOWN? 30 ONLY LIKE 30,000 GALLONS, 3 MILLION GALLONS BACK INTO IT EVERY DAY. THERE'S THREE PLACES PUTTING $3 MILLION, 3 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. THE PROBLEM IS YOU DRAW IT DOWN, THE PRESSURE GOES DOWN AND THE SEAWATER COMES IN AND THEN YOU GOT SALT WATER. 
          CORRECT. 
          AQUIFER IS 2,000FT DEEP, 50 MILES THAT WAY GOES BACK TO RICHMOND WHERE IT'S 30FT DEEP. 
          IN ONE OF THEIR DRAWINGS THAT THEY HAD, THEY HAD THINGS CALLED CRITICAL LEVEL IN THE DRAWDOWN. AND WHEN IT HITS THAT, THEN WHEN IT HITS THAT CRITICAL LEVEL THEN YOU CAN GET THE C WORD DRAWING. 
          BUT IN THAT WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE SUFFICIENT TAPPAGE INTO THAT AQUIFER TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF WHAT A DATA CENTER WOULD NEED. 
          IT HAVE TO BE ONE OF THE NEW TECHNOLOGIES. 
          SO, AND THEN THERE'S SB SENATE BILL THAT'S UP RIGHT NOW THAT SPECIFICALLY GIVING TIMELINES OF ALTERNATIVE COOLING METHODS. 
          ONE THING AND I HAD IT ON THERE. 
          I'D MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION OUR NEXT MEETING WHEN WE HAVE MANY LESS APPLICATIONS. BEING THAT IT'S ALMOST SECOND, I'D HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND SECOND TO CALL THE MEETING. 
          CALL THIS DISCUSSION AND CONTINUE IT TO. 
          TO THE NEXT MEETING. 
          PUT IT BACK ON THE AGENDA. 
          OKAY. 
          PUT IT BACK ON THE AGENDA. 
          CONTINUE DISCUSSION. 
          I DIDN'T DO. I DIDN'T DO A VERY GOOD JOB. 
          FIRST, ANY. ANY COMMENTS? I HAVE A MOTION TO PROP. A SECOND. CALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR OF CONTINUING THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING, SAY AYE. 
          BACK ON THE SIDE, MR. PRINCE, YOU HAVE ANY OTHER. WE HAD SOME NEW BUSINESS. YOU WANT TO SAY A COMMENT? NO, NO, NO. THAN NEW COMMENTS. 
          WELL, THAT WAS ABOUT THIS 
          [8. MEETING SCHEDULE]
TECHNOLOGY OVERLAY DISTRICT. 
          THAT'S THE SAME. SAME LINE OF THOUGHT, CORRECT? 
          [03:25:01]
YES, SAME THING. 
          ALL RIGHT. WHAT'S THE NEXT MEETING LOOK LIKE? IS IT BUSY? OKAY. 
          CAN YOU TELL YET THE NEXT MEETING? MEETING WILL BE OCTOBER. 
          OCTOBER. BUT IT'LL BE PROBABLY JUST THIS RIGHT HERE. TALKING ABOUT THE DATA CENTER. 
          OKAY. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANY APPLICATIONS OR WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          CAN YOU PUT THE. IT WAS GOOCHLAND, RIGHT? YEP. 
          CAN YOU PUT SOME DETAILED INFORMATION ABOUT GOOCHLAND'S. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THE TODD. 
          TODD. MAYBE CALL ONE OF THEIR PLANS PLANNERS AND KIND OF JUST GET THE LAY OF THE LAND FOR THE DISCUSSION SO, WE CAN KIND OF TALK ABOUT GOOCHLAND. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND. 
          AND ONE QUESTION I'D LIKE ANSWERED. THEY HAVE A TODD, BUT DO THEY ALSO, HAVE AN ORDINANCE OR DID KIND OF THE HISTORY OF THEIR EVOLUTION AND JUST A SMALL DISCUSSION WITH THE PLANNER WOULD BE FINE WITH ME. 
          JUST I WANT. I WANT SOME HISTORICAL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, BECAUSE THEY'RE DEALING WITH THE STUFF THAT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE DEALING WITH NEXT YEAR. 
          I AGREE. 
          ALSO, DID THEY. WHO CREATED THIS IDEA OF THE TODD? WHERE'S THE SOURCE? OH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION BECAUSE THERE ARE SEVERAL LOCALITIES THAT HAVE IT. 
          LOUISA, GOOCHLAND, GREENVILLE. 
          BUT DICK. 
          SO, THEY'RE. IT SEEMS TO BE A TREND THAT'S GOING AROUND DIFFERENT LOCALITIES. 
          I JUST WONDER WHO CAME UP WITH. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT I'VE HEARD OF THE OVERLAY DISTRICT TERMINOLOGY BEFORE. I THINK MY PLAN. MY PLANNING SCHOOL, I THINK. WELL, IT WASN'T THE TECHNICAL, BUT IT WAS AN OVERLAY DISTRICT. 
          YES. 
          SO, I'VE HEARD THAT TERM BEFORE, WHICH SOUNDS EXCELLENT. 
          BUT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE HAVE A DATA CENTER, IT TAKES AWAY FROM ISLE OF WIGHT, BUT THE COUNTY THAT Y'ALL WENT AND VISITED. 
          MECKLENBURG. 
          MECKLENBURG. 
          HOW MANY DATA CENTERS DO THEY HAVE A MECKLENBURG. 
          JUST ONE. 
          JUST ONE. 
          IT'S A BIG ONE. 
          OKAY. HOW MANY, SANTA LOUISA? I'M NOT SURE. 
          HOW MANY IS IN LOUISIANA, MR. PRINCE? IS THAT CORRECT? ONE. 
          ONE IN MECKLENBURG, WHERE WE WENT TO VISIT? YES, THIS IS ONE. 
          WE'RE KEEPING THE SHERIFF UP TOO LATE. 
          YES, I FAILED TWICE. 
          OH, YOU GOT BOYDINGTON. IS THERE ONE NEAR THERE? BOYDINGTON? I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THERE. IS THAT THE ONE THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT? JACK BOYDINGTON? REMEMBER WE HAD IT ON THE SCREEN UP HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          OR WAS THAT. HOW CLOSE IS THAT AWAY FROM. THAT'S BRUNSWICK COUNTY. OKAY, NEVER MIND. 
          BUT MICROSOFT HAS ONE IN SOUTH HILL. THAT'S THE ONE. I TALKED TO SOME FOLKS. ALL THEIR WELLS WENT DRY. 
          THAT'S TRUE. 
          OH, THAT'S SOUTH HILL. OKAY. 
          YEAH. THEY HAD TO CONNECT TO CITY. 
          I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT. I'M NOT SURE. I KNOW WE WENT TO ONE, BUT THAT'S ALL I KNEW ABOUT. 
          ANYWAY, WE HAD A MOTION. 
          ONE PIECE OF PAPER I HANDED OUT GOT AUGER GER IN THE TOP. 
          I HAVE NO IDEA. 
          IT'S JUST MY COMPANY. IF YOU GET A CHANCE. LOOK AT THAT. IT TALKS KIND OF ABOUT THE MONEY THAT MICROSOFT IS GIVEN TO THE LOCALITY. 
          HOW MUCH? I CAN SAY IT'S WAY MORE THAN WE'VE EVER SEEN. 
          YEAH, RIGHT. 
          WELL, THAT'S WHAT MICROSOFT HAD TO PUT CITY WATER TO ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHEN THEIR WELLS DRIED UP. 
          EXACTLY. YEAH. SO, IF YOU GET A CHANCE. 
          LOOK AT THAT. EXPAND OUR BUDGET. 
          YEAH, I THINK THERE'S A DIFFERENCE. 
          LET ME HAVE YOU A TIME. 
          ATTENTION, PLEASE. WE'RE GETTING READY TO CALL IT. SO, IT BROUGHT MY ATTENTION. WE HAD SEVERAL HANDOUTS ON OUR TABLES TONIGHT WHEN WE CAME IN. Y'ALL BE SURE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE FOR NEXT MEETING. AND I HAD A MOTION TO ADJOURN. 
          THAT IS WHAT I THOUGHT. 
          RIGHT HERE. DO I. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT. 
          ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR TO ADJOURN THE MEETING. 
          SAY AYE. THANK YOU ALL. 
          HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.
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