YEAH. I'D LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AT THE SOUTH COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION HERE ON
[1. CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL]
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JULY THE 16TH, 2026. I'M GOING TO ASK BEFORE WE GET STARTED, IF EVERYBODY WILL STAND AND WE'RE GOING TO RECITE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO OUR FLAG.I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
I'M ASK THAT YOU REMAIN STANDING AND WE'LL HAVE A BRIEF INVOCATION, PLEASE.
HEAVENLY FATHER, WE GIVE THANKS FOR THIS DAY, LORD.
THE BEAUTIFUL WEATHER. THE LORD, YOUR SON, THE RAINS RIGHT ON TIME.
WE JUST SO, SO VERY BLESSED HERE IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY.
AND LORD, WE ASK TONIGHT A SPECIAL REQUEST OF THE YOUNG LAD THAT WAS STRUCK IN THE ACCIDENT EARLIER THIS WEEK DOWN IN THE STATESVILLE COMMUNITY.
WE ASK YOU TO BE WITH THAT FAMILY, AS THEY HAVE A LONG ROAD AHEAD OF THEM TO HEAL BY HAVING A LOSS.
AND WE JUST ASK TO BE WITH ALL THOSE INVOLVED AND ALL THOSE WHO ARE TRYING TO LEND A HELPING HAND.
AGAIN WE APPRECIATE YOUR BLESSINGS UPON OUR COUNTY.
THESE ARE ALL THINGS WE ASK YOUR SON'S NAME, JESUS CHRIST.
AMEN. AMEN. YOU MAY BE SEATED. I'D LIKE TO WELCOME EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU HERE TONIGHT TO COME OUT TO OUR MEETING TONIGHT. WE HAVE A WE DO HAVE SOME BUSINESS TO ATTEND TO.
THE FIRST THING I'LL DO IS I'LL CALL THE ROLL AND I WILL GO IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER EXCEPT MYSELF.
I'M GOING TO GO LAST. SO MRS. ALSTON? HERE. MR. CLAUD? HERE. DOCTOR EDWARDS? YES. MR. MANN? HERE.
MR. RANDALL? HERE. MR. TURNER? HERE. MR. URQUHART? HERE. AND MR. DRAKE MYSELF. I'M HERE. SO WE HAVE EVERYBODY IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT.
SO THAT'S GREAT. SO THE NEXT ON OUR AGENDA PACKET, WE HAVE A RECOGNITION TO MAKE TONIGHT.
[2. ORGANIZATIONAL MATTERS]
AND MR. PRINCE, THANK YOU. MR. PRINCE GAVE ME A HEAD UP A FEW A FEW DAYS AGO, BUT HE'S ACTUALLY GOT A REALLY NICE WALL PLAQUE, FOR MR. CLAUD. AND I'M GOING TO ASK MR. CLAUD IF YOU WILL YOU COME DOWN FRONT? MR. CLAUD, WILL YOU TAKE OUR PICTURE? OH, YEAH.COULD YOU DO THAT? YES. OH, COME OVER HERE. WE'RE STAYING IN FRONT OF THE FLAG.
AND THEN I'LL EXPLAIN WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.
SO WE AS PLANNING COMMISSIONERS FOR THE ONES THAT DON'T KNOW WE'RE REQUIRED WITHIN OUR FIRST TWO YEARS OF BEING ON THE COMMISSION TO TAKE A CERTIFICATION COURSE TO STATE TO MAKE US SO-CALLED CERTIFIED PLANNERS. SO WE HAVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON OUR BELT THAT WE, WE'RE JUST NOT INDIVIDUALS LEAVING A FARMER SITTING UP HERE.
I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A BACKGROUND IN THIS FIELD.
SO MR. CLAUDE IS ONE OF OUR NEWER MEMBERS OF OUR BOARD, AND HE HAS COMPLETED HIS COURSE.
IS NOW, MR. CLAUDE, CORRECT ME WHEN I TOOK THE COURSE MANY YEARS AGO, IT WAS A TEN WEEK STUDY COURSE WITH, ON THE COMPUTER. AND I THINK, I THINK I HAD FOUR TEXTBOOKS TO READ.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY IT IS NOW. THREE NOW. THREE NOW.
OKAY. I HAD FOUR. AND THERE'S AN ORIENTATION A COUPLE OF COUPLE OF DAYS AND EVENINGS.
I WENT TO CHARLOTTESVILLE WEDNESDAY AND THEN THE OTHER STAY WAS IN RICHMOND.
SO IT'S QUITE AN INTENSE COURSE. IT REQUIRES YOU TO DO SOME STUDYING LIKE, LIKE THE SCHOOL DAYS, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH. SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO JACK, WOULD YOU.
JACK BRING IT, BRING MY GLASSES SO I CAN READ THIS, YOU KNOW, BUT I CAN'T SEE.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING TO HIM. OH MY GOD.
TWO JACKS AROUND NOW. ALL RIGHT, SO I'D LIKE TO READ THIS, AND THEN THEN I'M GOING TO HAND IT OVER TO MR. CLAUDE. SO THE GRACE E. HARRIS LEADERSHIP INSTITUTE WITHIN THE L.
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THIS CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION TO JOHN T. CLAUDE III.TO CERTIFY THAT HE COMPLETED THE CERTIFIED PLANNING COMMISSIONER PROGRAM.
HE STARTED APRIL 27TH. HE COMPLETED THE PROGRAM ON JUNE THE 16TH OF 2026, SO IT.
SIGNED BY ROBIN MCDONNELL AND THEN WILL COCKRILL.
AND I'M ASSUMING THEY ARE SOME OF THE DIRECTORS OF THE PROGRAM.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, MR. CLAUD, CONGRATULATIONS.
THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]. MAKE IT NICE.
THERE YOU GO. LET ME TAKE MY GLASSES OFF. OH, YEAH.
ME TOO. YEAH. STRAIGHTEN YOUR TIE A LITTLE BIT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CLAUD. THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT. NOW, MR. CLAUD, JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE CERTIFIED, IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU GET A PAY RAISE.
PAY RAISE IS STILL MINIMUM, YOU KNOW. SO, ANYWAY, MY CONGRATULATIONS, SIR.
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, SO ITEM NUMBER 3 IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF OUR JUNE MEETING.
[3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
AND AS I LOOK AROUND, IT LOOKS LIKE EVERYBODY HAVE THEIR PACKETS IN FRONT OF THEM.AND, MR. PRINCE, THANK YOU FOR GETTING THOSE PACKETS OUT.
A FEW DAYS EARLY. WE REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE THAT WHEN THAT'S POSSIBLE.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY THERE'S ANY CORRECTIONS NEED TO BE MADE OR ANY ADDITIONS OR ANY COMMENTS? YOU FIND ANYTHING MR. CLAUD? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
ALL RIGHT, MR. TURNER, WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
SECOND. SECOND. HAVE A PROPER SECOND MRS. ALSTON.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I'LL CALL A VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? LIKE SIGN.
IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
ITEM NUMBER FOUR. WE DO THIS EACH MONTH. PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
WHAT THAT IS FOR THE ONES THAT ARE VISITING OR MAY HAVE SOME CONCERNS ON THEIR MIND OTHER THAN THE ISSUES ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, THAT'LL BE THAT'LL COME LATER. BUT IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO COME AND SPEAK? ANY OTHER CONCERNS? OR IF YOU WANT TO PRAISE THE COUNTY FOR A GREAT, GREAT JOB WE'RE DOING, OR IF YOU HAVE A COMPLAINT OR CONCERN, YOU'RE FREE TO COME UP AT THIS TIME.
ALL WE ASK IS THAT YOU GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
SO THIS TIME THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS OPEN.
ANYONE LIKE TO COME FORWARD? I'M NOT SEEING ANYBODY EAGER TO GET UP.
ALL RIGHT, LAST CALL. IF NOT, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. ALL RIGHT, SO ITEM NUMBER 5.
[5. PUBLIC HEARINGS]
OF COURSE, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT.MR. PRINCE. I'M GOING TO LET YOU ELABORATE, BUT LET'S GO DOWN TO THE SECOND PARAGRAPH.
RIGHT. LET'S GET THE. THE ZONING. THE ZONING DONE.
LET'S DO THAT ONE FIRST. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.
OKAY, SO I'M GONNA LET MR. PRINCE READ THAT AND THEN WE'LL GET STARTED WITH THIS.
I'M GOING TO INTERRUPT. I'M GOING TO ABSTAIN FROM THESE PROCEEDINGS RIGHT HERE.
YES, SIR. MR. MANN. YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK. THANK YOU, SIR.
ALL RIGHT, MR. PRINCE. OKAY. REZONING 2026-02 APPLICATION BY WILLIAM PHAM, SYNERGY POWER/BAP POWER, LLC, REQUESTING A CHANGE IN ZONING CLASSIFICATION FROM A-1 AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TO M-1 LIMITED.
INDUSTRIAL OF APPROXIMATELY 100 ACRES. THE PURPOSE OF THE APPLICATION IS DEVELOPED.
THE WHITE SOLAR PLUS ENERGY PROJECT, DESCRIBED AS 20MW UTILITY SCALE FACILITY WITH A EIGHT MEGAWATTS 32-MEGAWATT BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 18-22.A OF THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY CODE. THE PROPERTY IS IDENTIFIED AS TAX PARCEL 92-2 AND IS LOCATED AT 365 GENERAL THOMAS HIGHWAY, ROUTE 167, LOCATED IN THE SOUTHWEST DISTRICT AND FAIRGROUNDS VOTING DISTRICT OF VOTING.
FAIRGROUNDS VOTING PRECINCT. OKAY, IS EVERYBODY FAMILIAR WITH THE LOCATION?
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HAVE Y'ALL HAD TIME TO GO OUT AND VISIT THE SITE? AND SO I THINK, I THINK WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR QUITE A WHILE.SO AND, AND THAT'S A GOOD THING. I MEAN, I, IT'S NOT LIKE SOMETHING JUMPED ON US TONIGHT.
WE'VE BEEN EXPECTING THIS. SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. PRINCE BEFORE WE PROCEED WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING? IF WE'VE ALL SEEN IT AND WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
BUT WE'RE DOING THE REZONING FIRST. CAN I ASK JUST ONE QUESTION? YES, SIR. BECAUSE WE HAD SEVERAL PACKETS. SO IT SAYS REMINDER.
THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVED THE SITTING AGREEMENT FOR THE SYNERGY POWER WHITE SOLAR PLUS STORAGE PROJECT AT THEIR JUNE 23RD REGULAR MEETING. CORRECT. CAN I ASK THE QUESTION WHAT DID THAT CONSIST OF CONSIST OF THE SITTING AGREEMENT.
CAN YOU GIVE US KIND OF A. THE SIGHTING AGREEMENT IS.
THE SIGHTING AGREEMENT IS WHERE THE CONSULTANT OR DEVELOPER WILL PRESENT A FINANCIAL INCENTIVE FOR THIS PROJECT. AND THAT'S ALLOWABLE UNDER THE STATE STATUTE FOR UTILITY SCALE SOLAR.
THAT IS ALLOWED. THAT'S KIND OF IN OUR ORDINANCE TO ALLOW THAT FOR UTILITY SCALE SOLAR.
IT ALSO, YOU HAVE TO GO OVER THE, THE SIGHTING, NOT THE SIGHTING AGREEMENT.
BUT ALSO, IN ADDITION TO THE SIGHTING AGREEMENT, YOU HAVE TO GO OVER THE SITE PLAN. SO THE PRINCIPLES OF THE SITE, YOU KNOW, THE LOCATION, THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE WERE DISCUSSED AT THE BOARD, AT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING AT THAT AT THAT TIME IN JUNE.
IT WAS AGREED UPON THAT BY THE BOARD THAT THEY'RE OKAY, THAT THEY APPROVE THE GENERAL LOCATION AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND THE CONCEPT OF THE PLAN AT THAT LOCATION.
OKAY. CAN I MAKE ANOTHER COMMENT, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG? DOESN'T IT ALSO INCLUDE THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS ALREADY ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE SALE OF THE ENERGY SOUTHERN OF THE POWER ONCE IT'S ONCE IT'S BUILT. IS THAT CORRECT? ISN'T THAT PART OF THAT AGREEMENT? YES. I KNOW.
WE HAD A CASE SEVERAL YEARS AGO THAT IT WAS NOT THE DEVELOPER DID NOT HAVE AN ARRANGEMENT, AND OF COURSE IT DIED ON THE TABLE AND THEY NEVER CAME BACK.
BUT IS THAT DON'T DON'T AGREE WITH HIM. IT'S NOT RIGHT IN THAT PART OF IT.
YEAH. THERE IS AN AGREEMENT. TO BE SURE TO HAVE A SALE FOR SOMEBODY GOING TO BUY THE POWER.
WELL DOMINION ENERGY. CORRECT. EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE.
AND THAT WAS LISTED IN THE BROCHURE. YES. YES.
DOMINION ENERGY WILL BE THE PRINCIPAL WILL BE BUYING THE POWER.
CORRECT. OR THEY'LL BE SUPPLYING THE POWER TO DOMINION.
CORRECT. THEY'RE GOING TO PURCHASE THE POWER GENERATED.
SO I'LL ADDRESS DR. EDWARDS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT A POLITICIAN, NOR DO I WANT TO BE.
I CAN TELL YOU IT WAS THAT WAS DONE IN CLOSED SESSION AND I VOTED AGAINST IT.
OKAY. OKAY. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET SOME BACKGROUND ON THAT VOTE VOTED AGAINST IT DOING IT THAT WAY.
THE GENERAL CONCEPT OF IT AND THAT THERE'S SOME FINANCIAL INCENTIVE TO SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY.
CORRECT. CORRECT. AND THAT THIS PROCESS IS OUTLINED IN OUR UTILITY SCALE ORDINANCE. SURE. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THE TEA LEAVES AND SEE HOW MUCH TEA LEAVES THAT I CAN READ BEFORE.
SO WE GET ALL I JUST LIKE TO HAVE AS MUCH INFORMATION.
THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING, ASKING THE QUESTION. I SAW THE NOTE AND I WENT THROUGH THE PACKET THE THIRD TIME AND IT WAS LIGHT ON THE BASIS OF THAT. SO OF, BUT JUST SOME FINANCIAL INCENTIVE TO THE COUNTY, SOMETHING THAT IS BENEFICIAL TO THE COUNTY. SO TO GO ALONG, WHAT HE'S SAYING, WHAT'S IN THIS, THE PACKET YOU GAVE US TONIGHT.
THAT SLIDE THAT HAS THE FINANCIAL GAIN OF THE COUNTY UP FRONT.
THAT'S IT. IT HAS SOME AND IT WAS ALSO IN THE APPLICATION.
OKAY. SEND IT BACK IN THE PACKET. I SAW THAT AND THEN I SAW THE ONE HE HANDED OUT TONIGHT.
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THESE NUMBERS HERE. YEAH. I TOOK THEM MORE AS PROJECTIONS, YOU KNOW.YEAH. NOT DEFINITIVES. GOTCHA. OKAY. YEAH, I WANTED TO WHEN I HAND IT TO YOU THIS EVENING BEFORE THE START OF THE MEETING, WAS JUST SOMETHING SO YOU COULD JUST FOLLOW ALONG WITH THE PRESENTATION THAT THE DEVELOPERS ARE HERE PRESENT TO.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE NOTES OR WHAT HAVE YOU ON THAT PRESENTATION. I'D LIKE TO MENTION THAT DIDN'T FEEL THIS WAS THAT OUTSIDE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT THIS, THIS PIECE OF LAND WAS BROWN LAND AND ACTUALLY HAD LITTLE, IF ANY, AGRICULTURE VALUE. CORRECT. CORRECT. WE'LL GET MORE INTO THOSE SPECIFICS AS WE GO FORWARD. I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY. YEAH. MR. RANDALL YOU ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH YOUR ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION? NOT REALLY, BUT I JUST WANTED TO ASK THE QUESTION.
I'M GLAD YOU DID. OKAY. I'M GOING TO. MR. MANN.
I'M GOING TO ASK YOU. DON'T DON'T COME UP, BUT I.
BUT I KNOW THAT THE. WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THE SECOND PROJECT IN BOYKINS THAT GOT SIDETRACKED? WHAT WAS THE NAME? DO YOU REMEMBER THE NAME OF THAT ONE? THAT WAS ONE DAY AT THE DUMP SITE, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. BUT THE, BUT THOSE GENTLEMEN DIDN'T COME BACK BECAUSE WHEN THEY CAME BEFORE US, PLEASE, PLEASE CORRECT ME, BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE A THEY HAD NOT HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH WHO WAS GOING TO PURCHASE THE POWER.
IT WAS KIND OF LIKE A SPECULATIVE DEVELOPED, DEVELOPMENT, CORRECT? YES. AND I'M NOT SURE OF THE COMPANY'S NAME, BUT I THINK IT WAS ON MR. BRYANT PROPERTY. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING OF.
YEAH. SO I THINK THAT SAME AGREEMENT, I THINK PART OF IT IS TO BE SURE, IF WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THIS FACILITY, SOMEBODY'S GOING TO BUY THE ENERGY, WHICH IS A NO BRAINER.
IT'S GOING TO BE DOMINION. IT'S GOING TO BE DOMINION. BUT DOMINION PERSONNEL, IN THAT MEETING, THEY ADMITTED THEY HAD NOT MADE AN AGREEMENT, SO IT DIDN'T GO ANY FURTHER.
RIGHT. IT DIDN'T COME BACK ANYMORE. SO I THINK WHAT THE ORDINANCE IS TRYING TO REINFORCE IS THAT WE'RE DOING WE'RE NOT BUILDING SOLAR DEVELOPMENTS AND NOT HAVING SOMEONE TO PURCHASE THE POWER, RIGHT.
WE WON'T BE SURE THEY'RE GOING TO GO ONLINE. THEY'RE GOING TO BE USED. RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S I THINK THAT'S THE POINT TRYING TO MAKE. BUT I THINK THEY'VE ADDRESSED THAT IN THIS. OH SURE THEY DID. SURE THEY DID. YES. ALL RIGHT.
IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE PROCEED WITH THE HEARING.
IF NOT, I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND I'M GOING TO ASK AS WELL, GIVE YOU A NAME AND YOUR WELL, WHILE YOU'RE FROM, IF YOU WILL, FOR THE RECORD. YES, SIR. COME RIGHT. COME RIGHT FORWARD. OKAY. GOOD EVENING, PLANNING COMMISSIONERS.
I JUST WANT TO SAY ONE THING TO AS CLARIFICATION.
AND THEN KEVIN'S GOING TO DO THE OVERVIEW PRESENTATION TO ADDRESS MR. RANDALL'S CONCERN IS THE SITE AGREEMENT IS ACTUALLY A LEGALLY BINDING DOCUMENT THAT WE NEGOTIATED WITH COUNTY COUNCIL TO ENSURE THAT IF THE PROJECT MOVES FORWARD, WE ARE LEGALLY BOUND TO PAY THE INCENTIVES THE PROFFERS THAT WE PROMISED IN THE AGREEMENT.
SO I JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT. AND THEN KEVIN'S GOING TO DO AN OVERVIEW OF OUR PROJECT AND WHY WE THINK IT'S IN STRICT COMPLIANCE, AND IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE FOR THE COUNTY. OKAY.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS KEVIN OSBORNE.
I'M FROM ORANGE COUNTY, CALIFORNIA. I'M WITH SYNERGY POWER.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO TONIGHT WE'RE REQUESTING FOR A, FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND ZONING MAP AMENDMENT. SO LET ME GO OVER THIS.
AND IT'S EIGHT-MEGAWATT BATTERY STORAGE. AND IT'S ON 71 ACRES OF LAND FENCED IN.
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THE PARCEL ITSELF IS ABOUT 300 ACRES. AND THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR SEVERAL YEARS IN COLLABORATION WITH THE LANDOWNER.AND I REALLY WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THIS. THIS IS A LOCAL FAMILY'S LAND IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY.
AND TONIGHT MR. WHITE ACTUALLY LEFT THIS LAND TO HIS FAMILY.
SO JIMMY AND YVONNE WHITE. UNFORTUNATELY YOU KNOW, MR. WHITE IS NO LONGER WITH US. AND JIMMY, UNFORTUNATELY HAD SOME MEDICAL SITUATION ARISE AND WASN'T ABLE TO BE HERE IN PERSON, BUT HE WANTED TO TELL HOW DEEPLY HE WANTED TO BE.
AND HE WROTE THIS STATEMENT FOR TONIGHT. I WANT TO READ IT.
SYNERGY HAS BEEN A TRUSTED PARTNER TO OUR FAMILY FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS.
WE HAVE A REALLY CLOSE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FAMILY AND JUST SOME BACKGROUND ON SYNERGY.
SO SYNERGY HAS BEEN AROUND FOR 18 YEARS. WHEN WE COMMIT TO A PROJECT WE SEE IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
WE'RE FULLY, WE'RE COMPLETELY VERTICALLY INTEGRATED.
SO EVERYTHING FROM FINDING THE SITE ALL THE WAY TO CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATING THE PROJECT.
AND WE HAVE A BONDING CAPACITY OF 300 MILLION.
AND LAST MONTH, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DID APPROVE IT FIVE ZERO.
THE WHITE SOLAR SITING AGREEMENT. TONIGHT I WANT TO SPEAK TO YOU ON THREE POINTS.
THE FIRST IS THAT OUR PROJECT COMPLIES WITH THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SHOW YOU HOW WE DO.
AND THIRD IS HOW THE PROJECT MAKES THE LOCAL GRID MORE RELIABLE FOR THE LOCAL CITIZENS.
NUMBER ONE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT TALKS ABOUT THE 1% CAP FOR SOLAR DEVELOPMENT.
SO THE COUNTY CAP IS AT 3,800 ACRES ROUGHLY. THIS PROJECT IS 71 ACRES OF THAT CAP WERE JUST UNDER 2%. AND IF YOU SEE ON THE CHART HERE, YOU KNOW THAT'S A SMALL FRACTION.
AND IN TERMS OF THE COUNTY ITSELF, WELL BELOW 1% OF COUNTY LAND IS A VERY FRACTION OF THAT.
OKAY. ANOTHER KEY ISSUE PRIME FARMLAND. WE RESPECT THE COUNTY'S CENTURY OLD FARMS AND PRIME FARMLAND BEING THE CORE INDUSTRY HERE.
THIS SITE DOES NOT HAVE PRIME FARMLAND. IT'S NON-PRIME FARMLAND AND ONLY PRIME FARMLAND IF DRAINED.
SO WE FOUGHT. ANOTHER KEY POINT IS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT SPEAKS ABOUT THE COUNTY'S FOREST TO AGRICULTURE RATIO OF 69 TO 31.
OUR PROJECT IS VERY CLOSE TO THAT. WE'RE AT 74 FORESTED AND 26.
AND THAT FOREST HAD ACTUALLY HAD BEEN CLEARED OUT. SO IT'S NOT OLD GROWTH.
IT'S JUST BEEN GROWING IN THE LAST COUPLE OF FIVE, TEN YEARS.
OKAY. ANOTHER KEY ITEM VISIBILITY. WHAT YOU SEE ON THE MAP HERE ARE THREE LOCATIONS OF LOOKING FROM GENERAL CROSS, GENERAL THOMAS HIGHWAY.
IF AND IF YOU LOOK UP CROSSROADS DRIVE. SO WE'RE OVER 1,500 LINEAR FEET AWAY.
OUR SOLAR ARRAYS ARE ROUGHLY TEN FEET ABOVE THE GROUND.
AND SO YOU WON'T SEE ANYTHING JUST STANDING ON GENERAL THOMAS HIGHWAY.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO SHADY BROOK TRAIL. THERE IS EXISTING SHRUBBERY.
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OKAY. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN. SO THIS IS LOOKING STRAIGHT DOWN.SO WE FOLLOW THE KEY SETBACKS. AND THIS WILL BE A SINGLE AXIS TRACKER GOING FROM EAST TO WEST. AND THEN WE DO HAVE THE BATTERY STORAGE.
WE ARE FOLLOWING STRICT DOMINION REQUIREMENTS AND BATTERY STATE BATTERY STANDARDS, NFPA 855 AND UL 9540A, WHICH IS STRICT TESTING ON THERMAL EVALUATION FOR THE CELL, THE CONTAINER CELL, THE MODULE AND THE CONTAINER.
SO THESE ARE THESE ARE STRICT MANUFACTURING TESTS FOR COMPLIANCE.
I'LL INTERRUPT YOU DON'T MIND. ON THE SLIDE. I SAW YOU HAD A SEVEN-FOOT CHAIN LINK FENCE.
BUT IN THE PACKET IN TWO OCCASIONS IT MENTIONS SIX-FOOT CHAIN LINK.
SO IS IT GOING TO BE 6 OR 7? SEVEN. AND THE BARBED WIRE AT THE TOP.
IS THAT CORRECT. SO IS THAT RIGHT? TOTAL HEIGHT IS SEVEN FEET.
THE TOTAL HEIGHT IS WITH THE BALL. YES. THAT'S CORRECT.
THANK YOU. THIS IS A 3D AERIAL ANGLED VIEW TO GIVE YOU A PERCEPTION OF WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE FROM GENERAL THOMAS HIGHWAY.
SO WE'RE BEING RESPECTFUL OF THE ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDIES THAT WE'VE DONE TO KEEP DISTANCE AND BUFFER.
SO KEY THING IS LOW PROFILE, SETBACKS, COMPLIANT WITH COUNTY CODE AND SCREENING.
ANOTHER KEY ITEM FOR THE COMP FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS THE FIVE MILE RADIUS DISTANCE.
SO WE EVALUATED THE PROJECTS THAT GOT APPROVED AND DENIED IN THE AREA.
SO FOR ALL THE APPROVED PROJECTS IN THE AREA, NOT JUST IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, BUT ALSO IN THE ISLE OF WRIGHT, WE ARE WE MEET THAT REQUIREMENT. REGARDING THE SITING AGREEMENT, THIS IS THE NUMBER ALMOST $1 MILLION, $920,000 PROFFERED TO SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. AND WE'RE VERY HONORED AND PLEASED TO DO THIS TO BE A PARTNER WITH THE COUNTY.
AND PART OF THIS IS THAT WE SUPPORT 12 VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT, FIRE AND RESCUE SQUADS IN THE COUNTY, PLUS THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. IS THIS AMOUNT TOTAL 920 OR 920 PLUS SOME 140? THAT NUMBER IS CUMULATIVE. THIS SHOULD BE SEPARATE.
SEPARATE? MAYBE I'VE GOT IT OFF. IT'S BASED ON OUR SITING AGREEMENT STATE PROPER IN THE STATEMENT.
IT'S SEPARATE. SO IT'S SEPARATE. SO THAT'S IT. OKAY.
OKAY. WHILE WE'RE THERE THE 20 YEARS OF REVENUE SHARE.
THAT'S RIGHT. DO WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT THAT IS.
I CAN IT IS IN IT IS IN THE APPLICATION AND THERE IS A BREAKDOWN OF THE REVENUE SHARE.
AND THERE IS AN, IT IS ACTUALLY INCREASING. PER THE STATE'S REQUIREMENTS.
YOU CAN GO. OKAY. A KEY ITEM IS FOR THE LOCAL CITIZENS.
WHAT DOES THIS ACTUALLY MEAN FOR PEOPLE IN THE AREA? ONE IS WITH THAT BATTERY STORAGE, IT BRINGS GRID STABILITY BUILT IN.
SO WHEN THERE'S AN ACTUAL NEED FOR RELIABLE POWER, NOT JUST WHEN SOLAR IS GENERATING POWER, BUT HAVING STORAGE ON SITE IT ACTUALLY MAKES THE GRID MORE STABLE.
HAVING RELIABLE POWER LOCALLY. NUMBER TWO, A MORE RELIABLE POWER CORRIDOR.
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SO PART OF THE PROJECT IS GOING THROUGH THE INTERCONNECTION WITH THE UTILITY OF DOMINION.AND SO THOSE THREE PHASE POWER LINES FROM THE WATKINS CORNER SUBSTATION GET FORTIFIED, IMPROVED, AND THAT'S A BENEFIT TO THE LOCAL CITIZENS THAT ARE CONNECTED FOR RELIABILITY.
AND THAT'S THE DEVELOPER PAYS THOSE COSTS. AND LAST ONE IS THE FIXED COST.
POWER CONTRIBUTES TO STEADIER DOMINION BILLS.
DOMINION, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF GROWTH IN DATA CENTERS.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DEMAND AND HAVING A STABLE FIXED GENERATOR SOLAR GENERATION AND BATTERY AT A FIXED COST IS ACTUALLY GIVING DOMINION MORE COST EFFECTIVE ENERGY RATHER THAN VARIABLE ENERGY FLUCTUATIONS.
AND THAT'S A BENEFIT TO USERS OF ELECTRICITY FROM DOMINION.
SO TO WRAP UP, OUR REQUEST IS, WE GENERALLY BELIEVE THIS IS A PROJECT THAT ALIGNS WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WITH THE SOLAR ORDINANCE AND BRINGS GREAT BENEFITS TO SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY.
AND WE RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND RECOMMENDATION OF THIS PROJECT.
THANK YOU. ONE QUESTION. CAN YOU EXPLAIN DECOMMISSIONING BOND 100%? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? YES, SO FOR DECOMMISSIONING BOND MEANS THAT WE, REGARDLESS IF SYNERGY FOR SOME REASON WENT AWAY FOR SOME ODD FOR SOME REASON THAT THAT MONEY IS ALREADY BEEN PRE-ALLOCATED.
SO IF THAT PROJECT NEEDED TO GO TO BE CLEARED OR AT THE END OF THE 20 YEARS OF THE PROJECT, WHATEVER THE PROJECT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED, THAT MONEY IS ALLOCATED AND SET ASIDE.
HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THAT SUM? YEAH. YEAH.
I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. SO WE HAVE INDEPENDENT APPRAISAL FIRMS AND INDEPENDENT ENGINEERS THAT MAKE RECOMMENDATION ON WHAT IT TAKES TO DECOMMISSION THE SITE. BASICALLY, IT'S NOT THAT DIFFICULT, BUT IT'S BASICALLY PULLING OUT THE POSTS, TAKING OUT THE MODULES, TAKING OUT THE WIRES AND THE CONDUITS, AND TRYING AS BEST AS POSSIBLE TO PUT THE STATE OF THE LAND WHERE IT WAS BEFORE.
SO INDEPENDENT EXPERTS BASICALLY CERTIFY THAT.
AND SYNERGY DOESN'T, RIGHT? SO IF THEY DON'T MAKE IT FOR 15, 20 YEARS, RIGHT, I WILL BE RESPONSIBLE AS THE BONDING COMPANY TO MAKE SURE THE PAYMENT IS MADE. WHEN IS THAT PRICE DETERMINATION MADE, WHEN THE PROJECT IS BUILT? YEAH, WHEN IT'S BUILT BECAUSE IT'S ALSO.
WHAT ABOUT TEN YEARS AFTER THAT WHEN IT COSTS FOUR TIMES WHAT IT DID WAS BUILT? WELL, IT IT'S A KIND OF KIND OF LIKE AN ACTUARY.
IT ACTUALLY BASICALLY CALCULATES THE COST OF IT OUT TO ITS TERMINAL VALUE OVER 20 YEARS.
AND WE HAVE TO DO IT ANYWAYS, I THINK PER THE STATE AND FOR DOMINION, THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE SOMEONE'S GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE IF THE PROJECT HAS TO BE DECOMMISSIONED, RIGHT. AND WHAT IS YOUR ESTIMATION OF HOW MUCH MORE IT WOULD COST TO DECOMMISSION THIS THAN IT TOOK TO BUILD IT? WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, IT'S GOING TO COST A LOT LESS THAN TO BUILD IT BECAUSE.
THE STATS SHOW THAT IT MIGHT COST AS MUCH AS FIVE TIMES WHAT IT COST TO BUILD IT, TO GET RID OF IT.
YEAH, WE CAN WELCOME INDEPENDENT EVALUATION AND THEN MAKE SURE THE COUNTY IS COMFORTABLE WITH THE EVALUATION OF WHAT IT COSTS TO DECOMMISSION THE PROJECT AND MAKE SURE WE BOND AROUND THAT PROJECT.
CAN I ADD SOMETHING TO THIS AS PART OF THE UTILITY SCALE ORDINANCE? THE BOND IS SUPPOSED TO BE, WELL, WILL BE EVALUATED EVERY FIVE YEARS.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS DOING. YEAH. OKAY. SO IT'S GOING TO BE AVAILABLE EVERY FIVE YEARS.
AND ADJUSTMENTS MADE FOR INFLATION, COST OF CONSTRUCTION COSTS, YOU KNOW, LABOR COSTS, SALVAGE, VALUE OF THE MATERIALS. SO THOSE THINGS WILL BE CONSTANTLY EVALUATED EVERY FIVE YEARS BY THE COUNTY.
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AND I'M GOOD WITH THAT. I LIKE THAT. WHO DOES THAT EVALUATION? YOU THE INITIAL YOU GUYS. YOU KNOW ACTUALLY WHAT WE HIRE AN INDEPENDENT ENGINEER BECAUSE EVEN DOMINION IS NOT GOING TO TAKE OUR WORD FOR IT, RIGHT? IT'S GOING TO BE HAVE TO BE SOMEWHAT LIKE AN INDEPENDENT APPRAISAL FIRM THAT MAKES THAT DETERMINATION THAT EVERYONE CAN REASONABLY AGREE TO, AND THEN WE BOND AROUND THAT AMOUNT. DOES THE COUNTY GET TO REVIEW THAT BOND? DEFINITELY. YES. YES. THAT'S PART OF WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO DO.REAGAN, YOU MADE A VERY GOOD POINT ON THAT. ALL RIGHT.
AND THEN RIGHT ABOVE THAT, YOU'VE GOT IN HERE ADMINISTRATIVE FEE OF $1,000 PAID WITH THAT RECALCULATION EVERY FIVE YEARS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 35 YEARS. SO, YOU KNOW, OUT TO 2026.
NO, 2062. SO NONE OF US CAN LOOK IN THE FUTURE, BUT WE CAN LOOK IN THE PAST.
SO THAT SAME TIME BACKWARDS IS 1992. YOU WEREN'T BORN YET, WERE YOU? 88. YEAH. AND SO YEAH. NONE OF US HAD CELL PHONES.
IT WAS A, IT'S A FROM HERE TO THERE. THAT THOUSAND DOLLARS ADMINISTRATIVE FEE.
THEN WILL BE NOTHING. IT'LL BE THE SAME AS $10 TODAY.
HOW WOULD THAT FEE? BECAUSE THERE'S REAL WORK INVOLVED IN CHECKING AND CONTINUING THAT ON.
WOULD DEFINITELY NOT LIKE TO DO IT FOR NOTHING.
THE COUNTY WOULD LIKE TO BE REIMBURSED. IS THERE A WAY TO GET THAT? SURE. WE CAN ADJUST IT FOR INFLATION. THAT'S FAIR.
THANK YOU SIR. I GOT A QUESTION. SO YOU ALL HAVE BEEN IN SINCE 2006.
IS THAT CORRECT? YES. SO HAVE YOU EVER HAD TO DECOMMISSION A FACILITY? WE'VE HAD TO. SO AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE RENOVATED SYSTEMS, RIGHT? SO DECOMMISSIONING IS NICE TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO SLEEP AT NIGHT.
BUT THE REALITY IS, IS IT'S VERY VALUABLE TO GET THAT INTERCONNECTION.
SO ONCE WE HAVE IT, THAT MEANS IT'S LIKE YOUR OUTLET IN THE WALL.
YOU CAN PLUG ANY ENERGY SOURCE THERE. SO WE'VE HAD MAYBE UP TO TEN PROJECTS THAT WERE RENOVATED, RENOVATED, MEANING THE OLD MODULES WERE RECYCLED AND THE NEW MODULES WERE PUT IN PLACE.
AND THEN YOU SEE THE PRODUCTION JUMP UP AGAIN, RIGHT? TO ALMOST LIKE A NEW, LIKE YOU'RE RENOVATING YOUR HOUSE AND THEN YOU RENOVATE THE SYSTEM AND THEN IT PRODUCES GOOD POWER.
DOMINION IS WILLING TO BUY MORE OF THAT POWER BECAUSE THEY'RE PRETTY SHORT RIGHT NOW.
SO IN THE LAST, AND THIS IS KIND OF IRRELEVANT, WE'RE ON THE TOPIC, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
THIS IS IRRELEVANT TO THE REZONING, BUT SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW.
SO IN THE, IN THE LAST TEN YEARS, HAS THE EFFICIENCY OF THE PANELS INCREASED? WOULD YOU SAY ARE THEY PRETTY MUCH THE SAME DESIGN? MARGINALLY. SO WHEN WE STARTED OUT, IT WAS MAYBE, ACTUAL USABLE POWER WAS IN THE 18% EFFICIENCY. NOW IT'S MAYBE UP TO ABOUT 23-24%.
SO THERE ARE GAINS, BUT IT'S INCREMENTAL. IT'S NOT LIKE A MAJOR SHIFT IN HOW IT'S DONE.
OKAY. BECAUSE YOUR PROJECT AND. ALL RIGHT, BEFORE I GO TO THAT STATEMENT, HOW DO YOU COME UP WITH THE 20MW OF PROJECTED PRODUCTION? HOW DO YOU COME UP WITH THAT FIGURE? BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF MODULES. YEAH, WE USE VERY SOPHISTICATED TOOLS THAT MEASURE A HISTORY OF 20 YEARS OF WEATHER IN THIS SPECIFIC AREA ALONG GENERAL THOMAS HIGHWAY.
AND THEN WE PUT IT INTO A MODEL BASED ON OUR SYSTEM SPECIFICATIONS.
AND IT PRINTS OUT A NUMBER THAT NOT ONLY US, BUT DOMINION RELIES ON IT, OUR LENDERS RELY ON IT, AND IT'S A PRETTY ROBUST NUMBER. BUT IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE HIGHEST PRODUCTION OF A SINGLE DAY IN A PARTICULAR YEAR, CORRECT? ACTUALLY. IT'S NOT AN AVERAGE EVERY DAY.
CORRECT. NO, IT'S ACTUALLY AN AVERAGE. IS AN AVERAGE.
DOWN TO THE HOUR OF EVERY DAY. IT'S THAT PRECISE.
IT'S DOWN TO EACH HOUR OF EACH DAY. DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW THE AMBIENT BASELINE TEMPERATURE THAT YOU GUYS ARE USING, SAY LIKE A MAXIMUM 90-95 DEGREE? BECAUSE ONCE YOU GET OVER A CERTAIN LEVEL, LIKE WE'RE EXPERIENCING RIGHT NOW, THE WHOLE SYSTEM DEGRADES FROM HEAT. IT DOES DEGRADE SOME.
SO THAT IS FACTORED INTO THE HUMIDITY. THE AIR QUALITY.
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IT IS FACTORED INTO A VERY SOPHISTICATED TOOL THAT IS WIDELY USED IN THE INDUSTRY THAT ALL THE MAJOR STAKEHOLDERS LIKE THE UTILITY LIKE US. THE FINANCING SOURCES ALL RELY ON.I THINK THAT'S THE FUTURE THING THAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT, THAT WE ARE TRENDING HIGHER AND HIGHER IN AMBIENT TEMPERATURE IN THE DAYTIME THINGS WITH HEAT INDEXES, THE ONE IT IS SHOWING THAT IT ACTUALLY DEGRADES THE PANELS AT A RAPID RATE.
IT'S MORE THE COLDER THE WEATHER, THE BETTER OFF IT IS BECAUSE THERE'S LESS MOISTURE IN THE AIR, RIGHT. IT DEFINITELY. CONDITION. THAT'S THE CONTRAST.
IT'S ACTUALLY MORE EFFICIENT IN THE WINTER, BUT YOU GET LESS SUN.
SO IT'S ALL FACTORED IN, I GUESS. YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS GOES TO THE WHERE'S THE GRID SEND THIS TO? ACTUALLY IT'S SO WHEN THE GRID HERE, THE DISTRIBUTION LINES GET OUR POWER.
IT ENERGIZES THE WHOLE DISTRIBUTION LINE. AND IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY GO BACK TO RICHMOND.
IT ACTUALLY ENERGIZES THE LOCAL GRID AS LONG AS THE LOCAL GRID CAN USE IT.
SO CORTLAND, FRANKLIN, RIGHT. ALL THE LOCAL BUSINESSES, HOUSEHOLDS WILL USE IT FIRST AND THEN ONLY IF THERE'S EXCESS WHERE IT'S NOT USED LOCALLY, THEN IT GOES BACK ON THE HIGH VOLTAGE LINE AND IT MAY BE SENT.
IT PROBABLY WON'T REACH RICHMOND. WE'RE NOT PRODUCING THAT MUCH POWER.
MOST OF IT'S GOING TO BE USED LOCALLY IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY.
WHAT'S THE SHARE OF THE STOCK IN YOUR COMPANY, SO FOR NOW? WE'RE A PRIVATE COMPANY, SIR. I DON'T HAVE THAT.
I DON'T HAVE THAT. STOCK EXCHANGES ARE BEING SOLD ON.
WE'RE PRIVATE, SO WE'RE NOT SOLD ON A STOCK EXCHANGE.
YEAH. THAT'S AWESOME. OKAY, THIS IS REGARDING TO YOUR SCHEDULE OF PAYMENTS ON EXHIBIT A, WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT ANNUAL PAYMENTS OF 40,000 A YEAR FOR FIVE YEARS. BUT ON THE GRID, IT'S SHOWING 70,800 FOR FIVE YEARS.
WHY IS THERE A DIFFERENCE THERE? THAT WAS IN THE SIGNING AGREEMENT.
THIS IS FROM THE SIGNING AGREEMENT. THIS IS THAT BREAKDOWN WITH, BECAUSE WE HAVE, THERE WAS LIKE A $200,000 THAT WE'RE BREAKING OFF. YOU KNOW, PER YEAR THAT WE AGREE TO WITH THE ATTORNEY.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE REVENUE SHARE. AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING, YOU'RE SEEING.
A LITTLE BIT OF ACCUMULATION CHANGES OVER TIME, BECAUSE I THINK THE EARLY YEARS REFLECTED SOME ADDITIONAL PAYMENTS THAT THAT COUNTY COUNCIL ASKED US TO PUSH HARDER TO MAKE THOSE PAYMENTS.
SO THAT'S WHY IT STARTS OUT, I THINK THE FIRST FIVE YEARS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, AND THEN IT STABILIZES TO WHAT, FRANKLY, THE STATE REQUIRES IN TERMS OF REVENUE SHARE.
SO THE REST OF IT DOWN TO 33. YEAH.
IT'S BASICALLY A STATE CALCULATION. YEAH. OKAY.
OKAY. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. JUST MAYBE A COMMENT.
A NOTE NOTING THAT JUST UP THE NOTTOWAY RIVER IS THE OLDEST PALEO SITE IN THE COUNTRY.
AND I THINK EVERYTHING IS AT LEAST FIVE MILES FROM THE FACILITY, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. WENT OUT? YEAH. WE ACTUALLY HAD AN EXPERT GO OUT AND DO A PHYSICAL SURVEY OF THE AREA.
OKAY. I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT SOME OF THE DEPARTMENT OF HISTORIC RESOURCES DOCUMENTS.
SO. OH, OKAY. OKAY. BUT I'M GLAD THAT YOU ALL WERE SENSITIVE TO THAT BECAUSE ONCE WE, WE HAVE LOST SITES HERE THAT WERE EXTREMELY OLD BACK 100 YEARS AGO NOW. AND SO IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR OUR COUNTY NOT TO LOSE ANY MORE SITES GOING FORWARD. SO APPRECIATE THAT. BUT ALSO THE HABITAT, THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS.
YEAH, WE DID THE WITH THE SURVEYS, WITH THE WETLANDS.
AND YEAH, JUST IN TERMS OF ENVIRONMENTAL HABITAT, SO WETLANDS.
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THERE'S NO FEDERAL JURISDICTION, WETLANDS ON THE SITE.THERE ARE STATE WETLANDS. AND AS A RESULT, OUR DESIGN ACTUALLY AVOIDS.
SO OUR IMPACT IS UNDER TWO ACRES OF WOODLAND IMPACTS.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY THOROUGH.
SO TO SEE THAT YOU ALL DID DO THAT STUDY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROTECT WILDLIFE.
ALSO THE WETLANDS ALSO, EVEN WITH THE FORESTRY.
SO THANK YOU MA'AM. SO THE ITEMS THAT THEY DUG UP AND PHOTOGRAPHED AND THOSE THEY'RE RETURNED TO YOU AT THE END OF, I THINK YOU USUALLY GET THEM IN A LARGE ZIPLOC BAG OR WHATNOT.
IF IT DETERMINES YOU GUYS DON'T NEED THEM ANYMORE.
WOULD YOU MIND GIVING THEM TO MISS ALSTON? THANK YOU.
DEFINITELY WE WOULD DO THAT. OUR TRIBAL FACILITY, OUR TRIBAL INTERPRETIVE CENTER.
SO THAT WOULD BE GOOD. OKAY, GREAT. YES. YEAH, WE'LL MAKE NOTE OF THAT.
WE'LL DO. THANK YOU BOTH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I DO, YES, SIR. BACK TO AND WE'RE ALL TERRIFIED OF THAT. THE, SO, THE SCOPE IS REMOVED.
AND IT SAYS IN HERE THAT ONCE YOU GET TO THAT POINT, IT SHALL BE REMOVED UNLESS AN EXECUTED AGREEMENT IS PROVIDED TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT INDICATING THE PROPERTY OWNER AGREES THAT SPECIFIED IMPROVEMENTS MAY REMAIN.
IS THAT ONLY THE ACCESS ROAD OR. I THINK THAT GIVES US THE.
MAYBE WE RENOVATE THE SITE. I THINK IT JUST GIVES US THAT OPTIONALITY WITH THE LANDOWNER.
AND ALSO IT WAS ABOUT THE ACCESS ROAD THAT YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY WE LEAVE THE ACCESS ROAD, BUT WE WANT TO GIVE THE LANDOWNER, YOU KNOW YOU KNOW, THE LANDOWNERS DISCRETION.
WELL, THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN SOME UNSCRUPULOUS FUTURE SYNERGY EMPLOYEE COULD GO TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, GIVE THEM $1,000, COME UP WITH THE AGREEMENT THAT SAYS YOU DON'T HAVE TO REMOVE STUFF.
THIS PUTS REAGAN WOULD THEN HAVE TO ACCEPT IT THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN HERE.
AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WOULD AGREE TO ALLOW ONE PERSON TO SIGN AWAY TO LEAVE ALL THAT MATERIAL ON SITE. I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE INTENT IF WE NEED TO.
THAT IS THE INTENT OF THAT PROVISION. I THINK WE IN THE FUTURE, WE NEED THAT CLEAR.
YES, SIR, WILL DO. AND THEN SO I'M LOOKING THROUGH HERE AND ALSO IN THE CLARITY, IT TALKS IN HERE ABOUT A LOT OF PUTTING STUFF ON FLATBEDS FOR RESALE OR RECYCLE.
I DON'T KNOW, IN THE FUTURE LET'S ASSUME THAT RESALE AND RECYCLED IS NOT AVAILABLE.
THIS WOULD BE A FREE PASS TO JUST LEAVE IT ON SITE.
SO AND NONE OF US WANT THAT AT THAT POINT HAS GOT TO BE REMOVED.
I DON'T CARE WHERE IT GOES, BUT IT'S GOT TO BE REMOVED.
RIGHT. PREFERABLY. YEAH. TO. MOST OF THE ITEMS, THE IT'S ALUMINUM, STEEL GLASS, SILICONE.
MOST OF THE ITEMS WILL BE RECYCLABLE. I THINK IF YOU GO ON FACEBOOK MARKETPLACE RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN BUY OLD PANELS FOR SOMETHING LIKE $5 A PIECE.
OH REALLY? BECAUSE THE RECYCLE VALUE IS NOT THERE.
OH, GOT IT. SO AND APPARENTLY THEY HAVE THOUSANDS.
RIGHT. THIS TALKS TO A REMOVING TO A DEPTH OF 24IN.
ARE WE THEN JUST GRANTING ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS TO BE INSTALLED BELOW 24IN IS ALLOWED TO STAY.
BECAUSE REALLY WHAT WE'RE ANYTHING THAT'S INSTALLED WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE REMOVED.
YEAH. NOT TO A DEPTH OF 24 TO WHATEVER THE BOTTOM IS.
YEAH, THAT'S SO THE CONDUITS THAT WILL BE THE DEPTH OF IT IS.
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THE WHOLE PILE COME OUT OR. IT'LL COME OUT. YEAH, WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE AT OTHER SITES.OKAY. YEAH. SO, AND VDOT'S VERY GOOD AT WHAT THEY DO.
A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC OUT HERE. IS THERE SOMETHING IN HERE THAT TALKS ABOUT MAINTENANCE OF THE ROAD OUT FRONT AND, AND WHO'S DOING THE REPAIRS AND HOW THAT'S HANDLED.
I THINK THAT'S A REQUIREMENT ON OUR OTHER PROJECTS THAT VDOT HAS ALSO REQUIRED OF US.
YES, AND ALSO NOTED FOR THIS APPLICATION, WE DID CONTACT VDOT AND WE WOULD BE COMING FROM THE HIGHWAY THAT GOES TOWARDS THE CITY OF FRANKLIN AND THEN COMING DIRECTLY FROM GENERAL THOMAS HIGHWAY AND THEN UP CROSSROADS DRIVE.
AND VDOT SAID THAT GENERAL THOMAS HIGHWAY, THE HIGHWAYS ARE SUITABLE FOR THESE KIND OF PROJECTS.
GOTCHA. AND THEN I'M SORRY, THE LAST THING ON MY LIST, WE HAVE A NEW BATTERY ORDINANCE HERE.
AND WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THIS WHOLE APPLICATION I CANNOT SEE.
THE BATTERY FACILITY YOU HAVE HERE TO BE ABLE TO EVEN LOOK AT IT WITH REGARD TO THE ORDINANCE.
AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF WHAT YOU HAD IN THERE.
OF WHERE THE BATTERY IS LOCATED. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW BIG THE BUILDING IS.
I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT BASED OFF OF THIS.
AND I'M, AND I'M WORRIED. OKAY. WE DIDN'T SHOW THE 20 FOOT CONTAINERS.
IS IT NOT IN THE SITE PLAN. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT IN IT'S.
IN THE SITE PLAN. BUT IT'S NOT DETAILED. THE WAY THE SITE PLAN IS PUT TOGETHER.
IT'S IT'S SHOWING ME ALL OF THE COUNTY. YOU'RE THAT LITTLE BITTY PIECE.
AND IN THAT LITTLE BITTY PIECE IS A BUILDING.
AND I DON'T KNOW. AND SO I'M REALLY WORRIED ABOUT THAT.
OKAY. BUT IT WILL BE IN STRICT COMPLIANCE WITH ALL THE RELEVANT STATE CODE, COUNTY CODE, NFPA, THE NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION AGENCY, RULES, REGULATIONS, UL.
AND YOU? YEAH. WE SHOULD BE IN STRICT COMPLIANCE WITH IT.
YES. WE BELIEVE WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE. WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH IT.
RIGHT. YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE. YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? NO, NO. NO. I'D LIKE TO SEE IT. I, I AGREE WITH YOU.
Y'ALL HAVE Y'ALL BEEN IN THE BATTERY STORAGE A WHILE? YES, WE HAVE BATTERY STORAGE. ACTUALLY, IT'S A VERY COMMON PART OF ENERGY PRODUCTION THESE DAYS BECAUSE OF ITS SUPPORT OF THE GRID. SO ALMOST EVERY SITE IS GOING TO HAVE BATTERY STORAGE.
THAT'S. I THINK THAT'S WHY YOU GUYS PASSED YOUR ORDINANCE. YEAH. YEAH.
AND WE HAVE WE HAVE WORKED WITH OTHER COUNTIES IN VIRGINIA WITH SOLAR PLUS BATTERY.
SO THAT'S SOME OVERLAP THERE. WHY YOU PROBABLY DON'T SEE AS MUCH INFORMATION ABOUT THE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE AREA, BUT IT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SAME INDUSTRY STANDARDS, THE NFPA 855 STANDARD. AND THAT'S THE MAIN STANDARD INDUSTRY STANDARD FOR BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE.
AND THAT'S WHAT STANDARDS. YEAH. AND IT'S REFERENCED IN OUR STANDARDS.
YES, SIR. THAT SAME STANDARD THEY JUST MENTIONED IS IN OUR STANDARDS.
I THINK WHAT YOU MAY BE CONCERNED ABOUT TOO, IS MAYBE SOME OF THE SPACING OR THE SETBACKS, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND, SAY, THE FENCE, THE PERIMETER, NOT THE PERIMETER FENCE, BUT THE THERE ARE PROBABLY A FENCE BETWEEN THE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE MODULE AND THE ACTUAL.
20-FOOT CONTAINERS. PRETTY STANDARD. YEAH. RIGHT, RIGHT.
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AND ABOUT THE SAME. WELL, IT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU FIND ON THE BACK OF A TRACTOR.MINIMUM THREE FEET. SETBACKS FROM EACH OTHER.
PRETTY STANDARD RIGHT. BUT WE CAN PROVIDE THAT DETAIL IF IT'S NEEDED.
WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THAT. JUST WE CAN WE CAN PROVIDE THAT TO YOU.
THANK YOU. YEAH. DOCTOR EDWARDS SAYS IN THEIR PROPOSAL THAT THE CITY AGREEMENT WAS APPROVED 5-0.
BUT YOU SAID YOU VOTED AGAINST IT. SO IT WAS 5-1 BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS BEING DONE BACKWARDS.
OKAY. SO IT COMES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FIRST.
Y'ALL JUST HAD IT. IT WAS UNANIMOUS. AND THE PROJECT, WAS IT UNANIMOUS? WAS IT VOTED? YEAH, WE THOUGHT IT WAS UNANIMOUS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR YOU, GENTLEMEN? LIKE I SAID, I KNOW WE'RE KIND OF A WIDE SCOPE OF QUESTIONING, BUT THIS PARTICULAR PART OF THE MEETING AND THE HEARING IS ABOUT REZONING THE PROPERTY.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S ALWAYS A GAMBLE.
I DO THINK WE'RE TAKING SOME GAMBLES. SO IT'S A QUESTION. TAKE THE MONEY AND RUN.
TAKE THE MONEY AND GAMBLE. IS THE GAMBLE WORTH IT TAKING THE MONEY? BACK WHEN THE SIGNED AGREEMENT CAME THROUGH, I DIDN'T THINK SO.
WE DON'T HAVE TOO MANY OF THOSE EITHER. SO TRYING TO WEIGH BOTH PROS AND THE CONS.
YEAH, IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE CHANCY. I GUESS WE GOT TO YOU GOT TO HAVE FAITH AND HAVE TRUST, I GUESS. AND THAT COULD, THAT COULD BE DANGEROUS.
BUT ONE THING I WILL SAY, I'LL MAKE A COMMENT WHILE Y'ALL MAYBE THINKING OF THE QUESTIONS.
FOR THE MOST PART, I THOUGHT YOU WERE VERY THOROUGH IN YOUR BOOKLET PRESENTATION.
THIS PAMPHLET I'M GOING TO CALL IT I WAS MORE INTRIGUED WITH HOW YOU PRETTY MUCH DEALT WITH EVERY ISSUE IN OUR ORDINANCE. OUR ORDINANCE IS QUITE COMPREHENSIVE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'VE EXPERIENCED IN OTHER LOCALITIES. IT IS ONE OF THE TOUGHER ORDINANCES.
WELL, IT'S FOR A REASON. WE GOT SNOWBALLED ON OUR FIRST.
I ADMIT IT, I WAS I WAS PART OF THIS BOARD AT THE TIME.
WE GOT SNOWBALLED IN OUR FIRST SOLAR PROJECT.
WEREN'T THERE. A LOT OF PROMISES MADE? NONE OF IT WAS KEPT.
I THOUGHT IT WOULDN'T COUNT. MR. MANNM I REFER TO MR. MANN BECAUSE WE BOTH LIVE OUT IN THAT AREA WHERE THE SOLAR PROJECT LOCATED WENT BY TODAY.
I KID YOU NOT. I REALLY THINK A THIRD OF THEM NEVER WOKE UP TODAY.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? AT 12:00. THEY WERE ALL FACING EAST.
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PRETTY MUCH LEVEL. AND THEY JUST THEY CALLED IT WAKING UP, RIGHT? YOU HEARD THAT EXPRESSION, THE NONFUNCTIONAL.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS IS ONE CHORD. THIS IS ONE PART OF MULTIPLE PARCELS.
1400 ACRES TOTAL. AND WE GOT A BAD TASTE BECAUSE I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THE THINGS EVEN WORK OR NOT.
I MEAN, THERE'S NO, IT JUST DOESN'T. THE GRASS NEEDS CUTTING, MR. PRINCE. ALL UP ON THAT GRASS NEEDS CUTTING BACK.
THE WEEDS ARE GETTING HEADING OUT. BUT WE GOT SNOWBALLED.
THEY CAME AND RAN OVER TOP OF US. AND THEY GOT TWO CERTAIN PEOPLE.
THEY JUMPED ON THE BANDWAGON AND SOME OF US DIDN'T.
BUT THAT'S WHY OUR ORDINANCE IS STRICT. IT'S VERY THOROUGH.
IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO GET TO THIS POINT. YOU KNOW TO GET TO THIS POINT TONIGHT.
SO I COMMEND YOU. I COMMEND YOU AND YOUR COMPANY FOR BEING THOROUGH AND PUTTING A PLAN TOGETHER THAT ADDRESSED ALL OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR ORDINANCE.
AND I'M A GREAT I'M A BIG ADVOCATE. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH LONGER I'LL SERVE ON THIS BOARD, BUT OUR MOST PRECIOUS RESOURCE IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, IF IT'S NOT OUR HISTORY, MISS ALSTON,
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WHERE WE COME FROM AND HOW WE GOT HERE IS OUR CLEAN AIR, CLEAN WATER, AND OUR FERTILE SOILS.AND WE HAVE A LOT OF OTHER ATTRIBUTES TOO, BUT WE ARE BLESSED IN THIS REGION.
SO I'M A STRONG ADVOCATE FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE OF THE FARMLAND, THE PRIME FARMLAND.
AND NOT TO SAY I'M ANTI-DEVELOPMENT, BUT I WON'T BE.
I WON'T BE SURE IT'S THE RIGHT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA BECAUSE A LOT OF OUR LAND IS GOOD FERTILE SOILS BEING A FARMER AND AGRICULTURAL BUSINESS WE'RE KNOWN THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF VIRGINIA FOR OUR COTTON PRODUCTION, OUR PEANUT PRODUCTION, AND WE'RE STRONG ON CORN AS WELL, BUT WE'RE TOPS IN SOME OF THE ROW CROP FARMING OF ALL THE COUNTIES IN VIRGINIA.
AND WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THAT. SO WE THAT'S HOW WE DON'T HAVE THE BEACH AND WE DON'T HAVE THE MOUNTAINS, BUT WE HAVE THE SOIL AND WE HAVE CLEAN WATER.
AND WE WANT TO PROTECT THAT AND BE SURE THAT WE'RE VERY RESPONSIBLE.
I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY. I KNOW, I KNOW, IT'S A BURROW PIT RIGHT ADJACENT TO THE AREA.
IT'S A VERY GRAVELLY. IT WAS PROBABLY MISS ALSTON HELPED ME A RIVER SHORE.
YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW HOW TO SAND SILT DEPOSITS, THAT TYPE OF SOIL.
IT'S NO GOOD. IT'S NO GOOD FOR FARMING. YOU'LL GO BROKE FARMING TRYING TO FARM THAT.
IN FACT, I KNOW THE LAST TENANT THAT ACTUALLY FOUND THAT PROPERTY, SOYBEANS, GOT ABOUT THIS TALL.
THEY'LL COME UP. THAT'S ALL THEY'LL DO. IT JUST IT JUST WON'T HOLD THE NUTRIENTS.
SO I THINK I THINK YOU DID A GOOD JOB IN SELECTING THIS SITE.
I WANT TO PRAISE YOU TOO MUCH. BUT ANYWAY. BUT YOU.
BUT YOU DID. THIS IS THIS IS WHO WE'RE ADVOCATING.
WE'RE GOING TO DO SOLO. OKAY. LET'S FIND THOSE AREAS THAT ARE NOT SUITABLE, BUT IT'S GOOD FOR SOLO.
IT'S GOOD. IT'S FLAT. IT'S EXPOSED TO SUNLIGHT.
IT'S NOT SEEN FROM THE HIGHWAY. YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE THINK IT'S AN EYESORE.
I DO TOO, BUT THIS WON'T BE. YOU WON'T SEE THIS FROM THE HIGHWAY.
THERE'S NOBODY THAT LIVES IN THE PERIMETER. MAYBE MR. WHITE. POSSIBLY. BUT HE'S NOT GOING TO COMPLAIN.
HE'S THE OWNER. SO I THINK I THINK. SO YOU THINK IT'S A WIN WIN WIN SITUATION.
THE COUNTY WINS. WE WIN. YEAH. SITE LOCATION I THINK.
I THINK YOU'RE SPOT ON WITH OUR ORDINANCE. OKAY.
YEAH. SO I WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK. SO. BUT WE'RE STILL TALKING.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT, SIR. THANK YOU SIR.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? I AGREE WITH YOU.
THEY'VE MET THE ORDINANCE AND THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY.
THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE. I THOUGHT IT WAS A PERFECT LOCATION FOR WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I DO TOO. AND YOU KNOW.
THIS IS WHAT WE THIS WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE ORDINANCE AND THOSE STRICT GUIDELINES.
AND THEY FOUND THAT SITE. THEY FOUND IT. AND THERE ARE OTHER SITES, I'M SURE I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IT, BUT IT'S A GOOD SITE FOR IT. AND NOT INVOLVING NEIGHBORHOODS OR, OR PEOPLE.
WELL, WE HAVEN'T FINISHED THE HEARING YET, SO LET'S DON'T GO THERE YET.
OKAY. BUT WE DO HAVE SOME GUESTS, BUT SO ANY MORE QUESTIONS WITH THIS IN THIS PARTICULAR STANCE TO THIS POINT? YOU'RE RIGHT. RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMAN? THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU. OKAY. IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON PANEL BEFORE WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO.
CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, SIR. YES, I DO. IS IT DOES ANYONE ELSE WANT TO COME FORWARD TO SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT? ANYONE ELSE? IF NOT, I'M GOING TO CLOSE. I'M OPPOSED TO PUBLIC HEARING.
OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. RANDALL. NOW, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION AMONG THE BOARD? WE ARE. WHO WE'RE GETTING READY TO VOTE ON IS THE REZONING OF THE PROPERTY.
IT'S AGRICULTURAL REZONING TO INDUSTRIAL M ONE, CORRECT? CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. AND ONE AND ONE LIMITED CONDITIONAL USE.
YES. AND THIS WILL BE FOR THE 100 ACRES, CORRECT? CORRECT. YES. MR. CHAIRMAN. NOT ENTIRELY, NOT THE ENTIRE TRACK.
CORRECT. ANY HOW BIG HOW MANY MEGAWATTS IS THE ONE IN NEWSOMS, IS THAT 100 MEGAWATT? THIS IS 100. THAT'S 1,400 ACRES, 100MW. AND THEY CAN GET 20MW OUT OF 70 ACRES.
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THAT'S JUST YEAH, THAT'S A THAT'S A HUGE. IT HAS NOTHING RELEVANT IN APPLICATION.I'M JUST LISTENING TO WHAT HE WAS SAYING. I MADE A NOTE OF THAT.
AND YOU'RE RIGHT. IT SEEMS LIKE THE EFFICIENCY HAS GONE UP SLIGHTLY.
SO. SO WHAT'S WRONG? IT MIGHT BE CALLED THE SLEEPING BECAUSE OF NOT WORKING, SLEEPING.
AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE OTHER PARTS. ITS NUMEROUS PARTS OVER THERE. I JUST GO ABOUT ONE TO MY FARM, BUT THAT'S TO ME THAT'S A THAT'S A BAD ADVERTISEMENT FOR SOLAR.
IF THEY'RE NOT, IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MAINTAIN IT. BUT THAT'S.
YEARS. AND FOR THEM TO MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THAT ORDINANCE, I DON'T SEE WHERE WE CAN.
VOTE ANY OTHER WAY. SO I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
OKAY. SO HAVE A HAVE A PROPER MOTION TO APPROVE THE REZONING.
DO I HEAR A SECOND? SECOND. AND I HAVE A SECOND.
OKAY. NOW, IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE THE VOTE? AND WHAT I WILL DO, I WILL DO A ROLL CALL VOTE.
THIS IS KIND OF IMPORTANT. YOU ALL MRS. ALSTON YOU ALWAYS FIRST. DO YOU MIND? IT'S OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. MISS ALSTON? AYE. MR. CLAUD? AYE IS FOR IT. NAY IS AGAINST. AYE.. OKAY, DOCTOR.
EDWARDS. MR. MR.. RANDALL. MR. TURNER. MR. URQUHART.
AYE. AND DO I GET TO VOTE? YEAH. YEP. OKAY. AND I SAY AYE.
MR. MANN IS NOT INVOLVED IN THE MEETING, SO HE'S NOT VOTING.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO IT'S CARRIED. THE REZONING IS CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
AND CONGRATULATIONS, GENTLEMEN. SO NOW, IF WE'RE READY TO PROCEED, WE WILL GO TO THE SECOND HEARING. SO MR. PRINCE, IF YOU DON'T MIND. I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO READ THAT DESCRIPTION, PLEASE.
OKAY. OOPS. OKAY. CUP-2026-02. APPLICATION BY WILLIAM PHAM. SYNERGY POWER/BAP POWER, LLC. REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATION OF A 20-MEGAWATT UTILITY SCALE SOLAR FACILITY WITH A EIGHT-MEGAWATT, 32 MEGAVOLT, MEGAWATT BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM, IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 18-22.A OF THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY CODE.
THE PROPERTY IS IDENTIFIED AS TAX PARCEL 92-2 AND IS LOCATED IN THE, LOCATED AT 3065 GENERAL THOMAS HIGHWAY. ROUTES 167 IN THE SOUTHEAST DISTRICT AND FAIRGROUNDS VOTING PRECINCT.
67. 671. 67. 67. 6. 671. OH, THAT'S JUST A TYPO.
THAT'S OKAY. OKAY. 671. YEAH. OH, I MISSED THAT.
HOW DO YOU. I JUST, I JUST THOUGHT THAT I DIDN'T I DIDN'T CATCH.
IT IN TWO PLACES. BOTH PLACES. YEAH. MULTIPLES.
THANK YOU. OKAY. CORRECTION ROUTE 671.
ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. PRINCE BEFORE WE PROCEED WITH THIS HEARING? ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND, GENTLEMEN, I'M GOING TO ASK IF YOU.
I THINK WE'VE ALREADY GONE AROUND THIS ONE TIME, BUT IF Y'ALL WILL COME BACK TO THE PODIUM, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND I GUESS I GUESS THE REASON WE HAD QUESTIONS TO BEGIN WITH, BECAUSE WE WON'T BE SURE IT WAS PROPER TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE REZONING.
BUT NOW, SINCE WE GOT THAT BEHIND US AND GOT IT APPROVED, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE RELATING TO THE PROJECT? DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION OF YOUR TIME? ANYTHING? I HAVE NOTHING. SO HOW DO YOU RESOLVE THE BATTERY ISSUE? AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING READY TO ASK THE QUESTIONS I HAD ON THE REMOVAL AND THEN ALSO ON THE,
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THE SITE PLAN OF THE BATTERY. HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE YOU GUYS TO GET THAT? I GUESS WE SUBMITTED WITHIN DAYS WE COULD GET IT TO YOU NEXT WEEK.DO WE WANT IT OR WE JUST WANT TO HAVE THEM SUBMIT IT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS? THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO PROPOSE, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, SUBJECT TO.
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS, MR. CLAUD? WELL, I'M DEFINITELY.
DEFINITELY. TORN. I'D LIKE TO HAVE THIS STUFF REPAIRED.
THE OPEN ENDEDNESS IN THE FUTURE, THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEES IN THE FUTURE, THE REMOVAL OF EVERYTHING IN THE FUTURE. AND THEN I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT I DON'T KNOW ON THE BATTERY STORAGE. YOU WANT YOU WANT TO SEE A CONCEPTUAL PLAN? YEAH. TO MR. PRINCE, ARE YOU, ARE YOU? YEAH. I'M HERE.
CAN WE POSSIBLY PROPOSE IT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL? SO YOU'RE NOT APPROVING YET? FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT.
WE APPROVE IT AND ONCE YOU PRODUCE IT, LIKE LEAVE IT IN REAGAN'S HANDS TO HAVE THAT COPY TO GO TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, WOULD YOU BE HAPPY WITH THAT? IF IT MEETS ALL THE NFPA AND OUR BATTERY ORDINANCE? BECAUSE IF IT MEETS OUR BATTERY ORDINANCE, THEN WHAT ARE WE GOING TO CHANGE? IF MR. CLAUD MAKES THE REQUEST? YEAH, I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE PRESENTED BEFORE THE BOARD WOULD BE ABLE TO VOTE ON IT.
I WOULD THINK SO TOO. I WOULD THINK THAT'S THE WAY IT WOULD.
I'M JUST WOULD YOU ASSUME THAT SO. AND I HATE TO DO IT AND I'M SO SORRY.
BUT YOU KNOW WE'RE HAPPY TO DO IT. WITH A 30 DAY CONTINUANCE BE THE END OF THE WORLD FOR YOU GUYS.
OTHER THAN A BROKEN HEART, I KNOW THAT I JUST GOT ONE TODAY.
SORRY. SO HE'S ASKING, WOULD THAT BE A PROBLEM FOR YOU? SIR. WELL, THAT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S A PROBLEM.
I MEAN, WE'VE GOT TO DO THE BEST THING FOR THE COUNTY. YEAH.
YOU'RE RIGHT. COUNTY. WELL, I THINK THEY GOT TO FOLLOW THE RULES.
AND I DON'T REALLY THINK ANYBODY, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW THE RULES.
SO I THINK IT'S. AND THEN I GUESS. IT'S A PROBLEM FOR THE COUNTY.
YEAH. I THINK IT JUST NEEDS TO BE DONE. I'M SORRY.
WE CAN'T BRING IT BACK THE NEXT MEETING. YEAH.
THEN I'M GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE TABLE THIS.
YOU STILL GOT THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT. I'M GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION.
IS THAT RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT I WOULD GET THROUGH THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
LET THEM FINISH THEIR PRESENTATION. AFTER THEY FINISH THEIR PRESENTATION, THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO TALK, THEN YOU CLOSE IT, AND THEN WE CAN HEAR MOTIONS FROM DOCTOR EDWARDS.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S SATISFACTORY. TABLE IT THEN.
OKAY. AND MR. PRINCE. YES, SIR. TAKE YOUR TIME.
DO WE HAVE TO? IT WAS FIVE DIFFERENT QUESTIONS, CORRECT? IS THAT IS THAT RIGHT? YES. FIVE DIFFERENT CONCERNS.
YEAH. TELL ME ABOUT TWO MORE. REMOVAL OF ALL ITEMS IN THE FUTURE AS FAR AS DECOMMISSIONING.
AND THERE WAS A COUPLE OF THINGS. AND ACTUALLY THAT'S NOT THE THAT'S ONE BIG THING.
YES, JUST LIKE INSTEAD OF THIS DESCRIPTION OF WHAT THEY'RE REMOVING, JUST WE'RE REMOVING EVERYTHING.
OKAY. RIGHT ON THE SCOPE OF REMOVAL. IT SAYS SHALL BE REMOVED UNLESS AN EXECUTED AGREEMENT IS PROVIDED TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, INDICATING THE PROPERTY OWNER AGREES THAT SPECIFIED IMPROVEMENTS MAY REMAIN.
WE DON'T WANT. WHAT PAGE ARE YOU ON? I'M SORRY.
I WANT TO FOLLOW ALONG WITH YOU. PAGE TWO. EXHIBIT G.
PAGE TWO. IT'S A G. SO IN THE FUTURE, ME BAD ACTOR WOULD BE VERY EASY FOR ME TO GO TO. SEE, AT THAT TIME, LANDOWNER OFFER HIM A SMALLER AMOUNT OF MONEY AND GET HIM TO COME TO YOU AND SAY, WE DON'T WANT TO REMOVE ANYTHING.
AND AT THAT POINT, YOUR HANDS ARE TIED BASED OFF OF THIS.
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YOU WOULD HAVE TO ACCEPT. I THINK HE'S ASKING FOR THE FIVE REQUESTS.SO WHAT ARE THE FIVE ITEMS YOU WANT? SO THAT'S THE ONE.
AND THAT CORRECTION TO NOT TO NO LONGER SAY ALLOW THAT.
DO WE ADDRESS DECOMMISSIONING IN OUR ORDINANCE.
YES. SO THIS IS A SPECIFIC PLAN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
BUT IF THEY'RE GOING IN OUR ORDINANCE THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE ORDINANCE. RIGHT, THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN OUR ORDINANCE. ORDINANCE DOES NOT ALLOW A SINGLE PERSON TO AGREE TO LEAVE EVERYTHING THERE TO ROT. HE'S BASICALLY TRYING TO ASK TO CLOSE A BACK DOOR.
RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT I MEAN, ISN'T THAT AN EASY FIX WHERE WE JUST SAY SUBJECT TO COUNTY APPROVAL? IF YOU'RE CONCERNED THAT. REMOVE THAT, DON'T ALLOW THAT PERSON, WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. IF IT'S JUST A DRAFTING MATTER, WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
OKAY. GOOD POINT. AND THEN THE OTHER THING WAS THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEES. WE GET IT RIGHT TONIGHT. THIS WON'T HAPPEN.
THIS IS GOOD. FOR NEXT TIME. THANK YOU, MR. CLAUD.
YEAH. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT 30 YEARS FROM NOW, WE'RE NOT COLLECTING A $1,000 ADMINISTRATIVE FEE TO TO ESTIMATE, RECALCULATE AND CHECK THE RECALCULATION OF THE BOND.
IT ALL GETS BACK TO THE BIG ISSUE OF DECOMMISSIONING.
EVERYTHING. THE BIGGEST. OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OVER HERE ON THIS PAGE.
WELL WE THINK ANY REASONABLE. YEAH. I DON'T THINK ANY OF THEM.
WELL, MR. CLAUD, YOUR CONCERNS ARE LEGITIMATE AND THEY ARE FAR OUTREACH LOOKING.
WELL, I THINK WILLIAM SAID IT REALLY WELL AT THE LAST MEETING.
IF THIS GOES WRONG, THEY'RE GOING TO BE HERE TO HANG US AND GOOD LOOKING OUT.
AND I THINK THEY CAN EASILY COMPLY. I THINK THEY WILL.
YEAH. YEAH. IT'S JUST THE DETAILS AND BLOW UPS OF THE BATTERY STORAGE ARE REALLY RIGHT.
THAT'S THE REAL WORK. I'M HEARING THREE THINGS.
SO THE ADMIN FEES ARE NOT AN ISSUE RIGHT. REMOVING EVERYTHING, NOT AN ISSUE.
BATTERY STORAGE DETAILS, WE CAN PROVIDE THAT BY NEXT WEEK.
AS LONG AS IT COMPLIES WITH OUR BATTERY ORDER. YEAH, SURE IT WILL.
RIGHT. YEAH. THAT'S FINE. AND THEN ANY OTHER.
OKAY. OKAY. WE CAN DO THAT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. PRINCE, ARE WE GOOD? I BELIEVE SO. YEAH, I THINK SO.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
DOES ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME FORWARD HAVE A COMMENT BEFORE I CLOSE THE HEARING? NOT RUSHING YOU. ANYONE ELSE? IF NOT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
OKAY. MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE THIS UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.
UNTIL THOSE IMPORTANT ISSUES ARE BROUGHT BACK AND CLARIFIED AND OKAY BY THIS COMMITTEE.
IN THE FORM OF A MOTION. CAN I HAVE A PROPER SECOND? IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION? I WILL POSTPONE THE VOTE UNTIL THE NEXT MOTION AND THE MATERIAL IS FORWARDED SO WE CAN REVIEW IT.
NO COMMENT. I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE. I'LL DO IT IN UNISON AGAIN.
ALL IN FAVOR OF POSTPONING THE VOTE TONIGHT. SAY ARE AYE.
AYE. IN A POSE LIKE SIGN. IT IS UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU THANK YOU ALL.
THANK EVERYBODY. THANK YOU FOR. AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THE.
I THINK WE ALL LEARNED A LOT. BUT WE'RE GOING TO.
THIS IS ALL KIND OF NEW TO US. SO THESE QUESTIONS.
THEY WON'T. IT WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN FOR THE NEXT PROJECT, WHOEVER THAT MIGHT BE.
SO THIS IS ALL GOOD. BUT ANYWAY, WE WISH YOU ALL THE BEST.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND WE WILL HOPEFULLY SEE YOU AGAIN AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS FOR THE SHORT DELAY.
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. MOVING RIGHT ALONG.
ALL RIGHT. TAKE CARE, GUYS. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT, SO
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ON THE ITEM NUMBER 6, AND WE WELCOME MR. MANN BACK TO THE.MR. MANN. BACK TO THE WATER. IT IS UP TO YOU.
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WELCOME BACK TO THE MEETING. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELCOME BACK TO THE DESK.YEAH. ALL RIGHT. WELCOME MR. MANN. BACK TO THE MEETING.
ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER 6 ON THE UNFINISHED BUSINESS UPDATE ON DIMENSION ENERGY THE SECOND COMMUNITY INFORMATION MEETING AT THE CORTLAND COMMUNITY CENTER. IF YOU REMEMBER OUR LAST MEETING WE HAD JUST ATTENDED A COMMUNITY MEETING DURING A BAD STORM. YEAH, VERY WEAK TURNOUT. AND IT WAS REQUESTED BY DOCTOR EDWARDS THAT THEY RE-ADVERTISE IT.
I ACTUALLY SAW IT BOTH TIMES, AND THEY TOLD THE NEWS THEY HAD THE WHOLE PAGE ADVERTISEMENT.
AND THAT IS SCHEDULED FOR. THE 22ND. 22ND. 5:30 TO 7:30.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU KNOW, INVITED FOR EVERYBODY.
SO IF YOU GET A CHANCE TO GO BY. AND IS THIS THE ONE IN FRONT OF THE DUMP? NO. YES. YES. IN FRONT OF VDOT. OH, YEAH. NO.
SAME THING. YEAH. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. WITH YOU.
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO DON'T FORGET THAT MEETING COMING UP.
I TAKE MY TRASH. WAIT ON IT. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER 7.
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I'LL TAKE THAT. YES. MR. PRINCE, YOU AT THE MEETING? YES. THE NEW BUSINESS AT THE REGULAR MEETING ON JUNE 23RD, 2026.WHICH I'VE STARTED DOING SOME RESEARCH ON A FEW ORDINANCES.
AND I'LL BE READY TO PRESENT SOME KIND OF DRAFT OF WHAT I'VE DONE SO FAR.
SEE YOU AT THE NEXT MEETING. I'LL HAVE SEVERAL ORDINANCES FROM VARIOUS LOCAL JURISDICTIONS FOR YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT AND TO CONSIDER WHICH ONES YOU WANT TO ME TO USE TO GO AHEAD AND COMBINE AND MAKE THE MODEL ORDINANCE FOR THE DATA CENTERS.
OKAY. YOU KNOW, AS OF INTEREST SUFFOLK HAS A MORATORIUM ON DATA CENTERS NOW.
AND I JUST SAW THIS MORNING ON FOX, THE GOVERNOR OF NEW YORK, SIGNING A LEGISLATION TO A MORATORIUM ON DATA CENTERS IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK. CAN WE USE GATHERING INFORMATION INSTEAD OF A MORATORIUM? YEAH. A DELAY OF GATHERING EDUCATIONAL INFORMATION.
COULD WE SAY THAT? YEAH, WE COULD SAY THAT. SURE, SURE.
RIGHT. IT MAKES ME FEEL BETTER. ALL RIGHT. SURE.
I'LL MAKE A QUICK NOTE. YES, SIR. JUST READ A CASE ON THAT.
MR. URQUHART. AS I WAS UP HERE AND I WAS MAKING THE CONNECTION TO THE COUNTY SITE THROUGH MY PERSONAL PHONE, EVERYTHING WENT FINE. BUT AS SOON AS I WENT TO THE COUNTY SERVER, I GOT A SECURITY WARNING.
WHEN YOU GUYS SAID THAT YOUR SERVER IS NOT SECURE ENOUGH FOR TO GAIN ACCESS, AND IT CAN BE OPEN TO ATTACKERS, SO LET THEM KNOW THAT. IS IT A DATA STORAGE ISSUE POSSIBLY? COULD BE A MORATORIUM ISSUE. OH MORATORIUM. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
WELL IF YOU'RE DOING IF YOU'RE DOING ANY READING, GET ANY PUBLICATIONS.
I MEAN IT'S A HOT TOPIC. IT IS. AND THERE'S PROS AND CONS BOTH SIDES.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY BEING TALKED ABOUT.
AND OF COURSE, IT'S THE ENERGY. AND NOW I'M HEARING A LOT ABOUT THE COOLING REQUIRES NO WATER.
YOU KNOW I THINK Y'ALL BROUGHT IT UP BEFORE. WELL THAT SEEMS TO BE A NEW THAT'S SOMETHING NEW.
THE TECHNOLOGY. YEAH. IT'S ALREADY CHANGED THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY HAVE THESE SERVERS IN THESE WAREHOUSES AND NOT HAVE A CLOSED SYSTEM. YEAH, IT'S A CLOSED SYSTEM. IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T PUMP THE WATER BACK OUT AND IT STAYS INSIDE THE BUILDING OR WHATEVER.
SO INSTEAD OF THE OH, YOU GOT TO GET ON BOARD.
IT'S STEADILY CHANGING. MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU CAME TO THE LAST BOARD MEETING AND AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN, NOT REPRESENTING THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND ASKED THE BOARD TO CONSIDER THAT.
IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION FEELS STRONG ENOUGH TO DO THAT, I THINK WE OUGHT TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD TO EITHER CONSIDER THAT AND LOOK AT IT OR NOT. OKAY. AND THAT WOULD BE THE CLOSED LOOP SYSTEM, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO OR THE. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE MORATORIUM. THE MORATORIUM BETTER KNOWN AS WHAT A DELAY.
WELL I DO. I DO. DILIGENCE DELAY TO EDUCATE THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DUE TO THE SIGNIFICANT INTEREST IN THESE TYPE OF ZONING REQUESTS.
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MR. PRINCE, HAVE YOU HAD ANY BUZZ ABOUT IT IN YOUR DEPARTMENT BY ANY.THERE'S PLENTY OF BUZZ IN THE CITY OF SUFFOLK RIGHT NOW. I KNOW THAT, BUT YEAH, WE TALKED BASEBALL.
YEAH. THAT THAT THAT MEANS THAT THERE WILL BE BUZZ HERE AT SOME POINT.
YES. YEAH. THERE'S BUZZ HERE IN THE COUNTY FOR DATA CENTERS.
YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE AREA AT SMITHS FERRY ROAD HAS ALREADY BEEN TWO YEARS AGO, HAS ALREADY BEEN PRE-APPROVED OR NOT PRE-APPROVED, BUT IT WAS REZONED TO ALLOW DATA CENTERS, WAREHOUSES, THAT TYPE OF BUSINESS IN THAT AREA RIGHT THERE, RIGHT THERE IN THAT CORNER OF SMITH FERRY ROAD.
AS YOU GO INTO FRANKLIN, GOING IN THAT GENERAL AREA IS ABOUT 800 ACRES.
SO THERE IS SOME. CEDAR LANE PROJECT. CEDAR LANE.
YES, SIR. OKAY. SO THERE'S STILL THE BUZZ. THE BUZZ IS STILL THERE.
SO THEY ARE AWARE. THEY LOOKED AT. THEY'RE AWARE OF THE MANDATE THAT WAS GIVEN BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO FOR US TO DEVELOP A DATA CENTER ORDINANCE. SO THEY'RE AWARE OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE WORKING ON A DATA CENTER ORDINANCE. SO I THINK.
WE NEED TO WORK. THEY'RE THERE, THEY'RE THERE.
I'VE. TO MR.. NOT JACK. I'M SORRY. WE GOT A BUNCH OF JACKS HERE, BUT.
WE GOT JOHN T. RIGHT? EXACTLY. THE CHAIRMAN RANDALL'S SUGGESTION THAT THEY SHOULD DO INFORMATION GATHERING. AND SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT AS WELL.
SO MAYBE BEFORE AN ACTUAL PUBLIC HEARING IS PROPOSED FOR THAT SITE OR FOR THAT PROJECT, MAYBE THEY COME BEFORE US WITH INFORMATION, WE EXCHANGE INFORMATION.
I BELIEVE HIS QUOTE WAS VERY STRINGENT. BUT IT'S DOABLE.
IT IS. IT'S DOABLE. IT IS. RIGHT. AND THAT WAS THE PRIMARY REASON WHY I VOTED FOR IT.
BECAUSE ONCE WE MAKE THIS ORDINANCE AND THEY'RE COMPLIANT WITH IT.
RIGHT. IT'S NOW STATUTORY. THAT'S RIGHT. SO YOU'VE GOT TO THEY MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS.
IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS THEN APPROVAL THERE HAS TO BE A RATIONAL BASIS FOR IT.
THUS A RATIONAL BASIS FOR OUR DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD.
WELL, I WANT TO CLEAR SOMETHING UP, MR. RANDALL.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE INTENT TO COLLECT IT FROM AN APPLICANT.
WE ARE INTENT OF COLLECTING INFORMATION TO COME UP WITH AN ORDINANCE FROM A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT SOURCES, BECAUSE WHEN WE WERE ON THE SOLAR, WE WERE IN TWO AND THREE DIFFERENT STATES.
AND AND TO GET INFORMATION FROM A I'M NOT FOND OF THE FOX LOOKING AFTER THE CHICKENS.
OKAY, I AGREE. SO IT IS OUR JOB TO LOOK AFTER THE COUNTY.
SO I YOU KNOW, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE WORD MORATORIUM, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT IF WE VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT DELAYS ANY APPLICATION, WHETHER IT'S 12 MONTHS, 16 MONTHS.
AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT WORD, BUT THE VIRGINIA SUPREME COURT DOES. OKAY. SO THAT THAT'S I MEAN, I MEAN, I HAVE NO PERSONAL PROBLEM, BUT I JUST.
YEAH, WELL, WE'VE DONE IT. WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE. SUFFOLK JUST DID ONE.
BUT IT'S. BUT IT'S RISKY. IT'S RISKY. I THINK YOU OUGHT TO LOOK AT THE MINUTES.
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SO BEFORE WE JUST START, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THE TITLE, I'M JUST SAYING THAT WE OUGHT TO GET AN OPINION FROM OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY.WHICH WE HAVE. CORRECT. YEAH. AND IT'S HE'S WHAT I INTERPRETED IS RISKY.
RIGHT. YOU MAY NOT GET CALLED ON IT, BUT YOU MIGHT.
HAVE AN OPINION THAT. THAT'S WHAT HE'S SAYING RISK IT.
HE MADE IT. HE SAID WAS HE SAID, YOU KNOW, A MORATORIUM IS RISKY.
GET TO WORK AND GET THE ORDINANCE DONE. I THINK MR. RANDALL CAME UP WITH A GOOD PHRASE DO DILIGENT DELAY.
EXACTLY. AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT. BUT LET'S SET IT FOR 12 MONTHS.
14 MONTHS, 18 MONTHS OR WHATEVER. LET'S PUT A TIME.
AND I DIDN'T SAY I WAS AGAINST THAT. I'M JUST SAYING THAT IF WE'RE DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND WE'RE TABLING SOMETHING OR DELAYING IT, WE HAVE A RATIONAL BASIS OF DOING SO, NOT JUST A I'M GOING TO CHOOSE MY WORDS VERY CAREFULLY FOR EVERYONE.
EVERYONE LISTEN. OKAY. WE DON'T DO A BLANKET MORATORIUM THAT IS NOT BASED IN A RATIONAL BASIS.
OKAY? SO WE HAVE TO HAVE A RATIONAL BASIS TO DELAY.
AND CAN THE BOARD, I MEAN, CAN IT BE ENFORCED? I MEAN, IS IT I DO NOT WANT TO GIVE LEGAL ADVICE BECAUSE I AM NOT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.
WE'LL TRY. I DON'T KNOW MORE WHAT MORE I CAN SAY TO PROJECT IN GOOD FAITH.
I AM CONSISTENT WITH OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY AND WHAT ADVICE HE'S GIVING.
HE USED RISKY. I WOULD MAYBE USE A DIFFERENT WORD.
BUT WE ARE WE ARE CHALLENGED BY THE BOARD TO COME UP WITH OWNERS.
REMEMBER THAT. MARCHING ORDERS. YEAH, RIGHT. REMEMBER THAT WE ARE.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING. AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS COMPLETELY CONSISTENT WITH THAT.
I JUST DON'T LIKE THAT WORD. BECAUSE THAT WORD.
I'LL BE. I'LL BE GLAD TO PRIVATELY, Y'ALL CAN COME TO MY LAW OFFICE AND SIT DOWN, AND I WILL BE GLAD TO GO OVER IT VERY CONCISELY. YOU'RE THE MAN OF THE LAW. SO I'M FOLLOWING THE ADVICE OF OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY TO THE ABSOLUTE T.
SO IF WE REQUEST THAT WE DELAY ANY APPLICATION ON DATA CENTERS REQUEST FOR 18 MONTHS.
AND WE CAN CHANGE THE MONTHS OR WHATEVER. I'M JUST TRYING TO COME UP WITH AS LONG.
CORRECT. I MEAN, NOW WE'RE USING THE MOST CURRENT TECHNOLOGY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE USING AI.
WE'RE USING OTHER ORDINANCES TO CRAFT SOMETHING.
WE CAN CRAFT IT FASTER. I MEAN, HOW LONG DID IT TAKE US TO THE BATTERY ENERGY? I MEAN, WE CRANK THAT OUT A LOT FASTER THAN WE DID THE SOLAR ORDINANCE, RIGHT? THAT TOOK THREE MONTHS. WE HAD TEMPLATES TO GO, WELL.
I'D RATHER HAVE MORE TIME AND BE ABLE TO BACK UP THAN WISH I HAD MORE TIME.
RIGHT. BUT I WILL SAY. ANOTHER MONTH ON AND I WILL.
AND I FELT LIKE I FELT CRAMPED WHEN IT CAME TO THE BATTERY ORDINANCE.
AND I THINK THE DATA CENTER IS MUCH MORE COMPLICATED, INVOLVED.
COMPLICATED? THAT'S RIGHT. AND I'M SURE. I'M USING THIS EXAMPLE.
WE TALK ABOUT THE CLOSED LOOP AND WATER. BUT THE GEOTHERMAL SYSTEMS HAVE A CLOSED LOOP SYSTEM.
BUT I KNOW GUYS THAT HAVE PUT IT IN THAT ARE IN THE AC BUSINESS AND THEY TORE IT OUT.
THEY SAID IT WAS JUST A CONSTANT MAINTENANCE THING.
SO I DON'T I'D LIKE IT'S A SELLING FACTOR TO SAY WE HAVE CLOSED LOOP.
IT SOUNDS GOOD. YEAH. BUT AND I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.
I'M NOT A I'M NOT AN ENGINEER. SO WE'RE HERE TALKING ABOUT CLOSED LOOP SYSTEM NOW.
SHOOT THEY'RE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT RUNNING MONSTER ENERGY THROUGH IT OR SOMETHING.
RIGHT. BECAUSE IT WORKS TEN TIMES BETTER. I'M GOING TO TAKE YOUR THOUGHTS AND I'M GOING TO TAKE MR. TURNER'S THOUGHTS BECAUSE WE DO HAVE OTHER RESOURCES TODAY.
IT COULD BE QUICKER, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WITH THE SUB SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE BEFORE THE SOLAR, WE TOOK A YEAR IN WORD AND THEN WE DID A YEAR ON THE SOLAR.
SO COULD WE DO 12 MONTHS. WHATEVER THIS BOARD.
LET'S DO 12. IF WE CAN CUT IT SHORTER, WE'LL GET THE AUDIENCE TO THE BOARD AND WE'LL GET ON WITH IT.
BUT THAT'LL GIVE US, I WOULD SAY, AMPLE TIME.
MY PHILOSOPHY AND MY PHILOSOPHY IS PLAN FOR THE WORST AND HOPE FOR THE BEST.
BUT IT'S UNDER 12 MONTHS. TWICE LET'S JUST FOLLOW SUIT.
AND WE SHOULD WE SHOULD NOT GET OURSELVES INTO TROUBLE OVER THAT.
WE'VE SET A PRECEDENT. AND IF WE'RE REALLY INTERESTED NOW, YOU HAVE CALLED MEETINGS.
YEAH. I AGREE. I'M OKAY WITH IT. WE DID THAT WITH THE WITH THE BATTERY STORAGE.
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I'M OKAY WITH THAT BECAUSE WE KIND OF DO A BLEND OF THE 218 MONTHS OR UNTIL WE HAVE ADOPTION OF A OF AN ORDINANCE.WELL, I WAS GOING TO TRY TO COMPROMISE THE 12 MONTHS, BE A MATCH.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. AND I WOULD THINK I WOULD THINK WITH FOLLOWING OTHER ORDINANCES ALREADY BEEN SUBMITTED AND THE AI MR. I THINK WE OUGHT TO COME UP SOMETHING IN 12 MONTHS OR LESS.
YEAH, PUT THAT AS A GOAL. BUT IF YOU COME UP SOONER, IT'S SOONER.
SO I'M. AND I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO ASK MR. RANDALL TO MAKE ANY CORRECTIONS THAT HE SEES NECESSARY, AND I'M.
I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE IT LENGTHY, BUT DELAY ANY APPLICATION OF DATA CENTER REQUEST FOR 12 MONTHS STARTING, I GUESS, TONIGHT. IF WE ALSO USE OUR DUE DILIGENCE.
RIGHT. BECAUSE WE HAVE A RATIONAL BASIS FOR IT.
RIGHT. CURRENTLY IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. SO YOU WANT TO ADD THAT VERBIAGE THAT YOU JUST SAID, OKAY. YEAH, I THINK THAT COVERS US. BUT DOES THE DOES THE BOARD, THE GOVERNING BODY NEED TO ACT? YES, WE HAVE TO JUST ALL WE CAN DO IS RECOMMEND.
SO WE'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND THEM. YEAH. RIGHT.
AND THEN THEY HAVE TO THEY HAVE TO MAKE THAT RIGHT.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. JUST DON'T USE THAT WORD, OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I WANT TO BE SURE WE GOT THE VERBIAGE THAT MR. RANDALL JUST ADDED IN THIS THING, BECAUSE I COULDN'T WRITE ALL THAT.
MR. RANDALL WOULD YOU EXPRESS IT SO ADEQUATELY? AND I'M OKAY IF HE MAKES THE MOTION. WE JUST CAN'T DO A BLANKET.
THERE HAS TO BE A REASONABLE BASIS WHY WE'RE NOT DOING SOMETHING AND THE RATIONAL BASIS IS DUE TO EDUCATION, RIGHT? IT'S FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. AND IT'S FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES FOR US TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY.
AND OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND EDUCATING OURSELVES ON THAT TOPIC THAT IS PERMISSIBLE.
CORRECT. I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME. DOES ANYBODY HAVE THAT NO, I DON'T. THIS MOTION IS MADE IN DUE CONSIDERATION OF THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE.
IS THAT THE ONE? THAT'S THE ONE. THERE YOU GO. THERE YOU GO. YOU GOT IT. AND I KIND OF SAID I KIND OF SAID THAT, BUT IN A DIFFERENT WAY. PASS THAT DOWN. YEAH.
THE VERY BOTTOM. I'VE BEEN SEEING THAT. YEAH.
ALL RIGHT. THAT'S THE MOTION YOU'VE MADE. YOU GOT VOLUNTOLD.
OKAY, SO MR. MANN HAS MADE A MOTION AND DUE CONSIDERATION OF THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY, PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, AND IN THE EXERCISE OF GOOD ZONING PRACTICES AND IN PURSUIT OF THE BODIES STATUTORY AUTHORITY TO DELAY ANY DATA CENTER REQUESTS FOR 12 MONTHS BASED ON THE FOLLOWING OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY OF THE EDUCATIONAL REQUIREMENTS AND DUE TO THE BEST INTERESTS OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY.
I SECOND IT. ALL RIGHT. HAVE A MOTION. SO I JUST READ IT.
BUT IT'S MR. MANN'S MOTION. MY MOTION. OKAY. MR. MANN. THAT SOUNDS GREAT. OKAY. AND AS LONG AS THE SECRETARY.
AND YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING, I'M NOT BEING CRITICAL.
SURE. CAN YOU GIVE THAT SOME OF THAT TO THE TO THE SECRETARIES? I MEAN, THE SECRETARY, SHE'LL GET IT, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO SHE CAN PUT IT IN THE MINUTES USING THAT VERBIAGE.
OKAY. SO I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. SECOND. MR. CLAUD.
MR. CHAIRMAN SECONDED. OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I THINK WE'RE ON THE RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK. GET THIS RIGHT. LET'S GET IT RIGHT WHEN WE DO IT. ALL RIGHT.
AGAIN, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE IN UNISON. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED LIKE SIGN. AND IT CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
MR. PRINCE, MAKE SURE THAT GETS TO THE BOARD.
I WILL CALL MISS LOBO TOMORROW MORNING AND MAKE THAT REQUEST THAT IT GO ON THIS MEETING OF THE 29TH.
OKAY. IN CASE I FORGET IT. REMIND ME PLEASE. OKAY.
GOOD. THANK YOU. YEAH. I THINK WE GET IT DONE.
ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO ON TO ITEM NUMBER 8. NEXT MEETING WILL BE THURSDAY, AUGUST THE 20TH AT 7 P.M..
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DON'T GO AHEAD AND MARK YOUR CALENDARS YET. THAT'S THE THIRD THURSDAY BECAUSE WE NORMALLY DO THAT BECAUSE OF THE COUNTY.[01:40:06]
FAYETTE COUNTY FAIRS ARE ACTUALLY A WEEK EARLY WHERE THE DATE FALLS THIS YEAR.SO BE REMINDED OF THAT. WE HAVE SOME GUESTS TONIGHT BEFORE WE ADJOURN.
DID Y'ALL HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD OR TO SAY TONIGHT? I'LL GIVE YOU A SECOND CHANCE. ANYTHING? EITHER ONE OF.
ANYONE OF YOU. MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY. YES. CHAIRMAN, I ATTENDED THE FIRST MEETING.
TOWN HALL MEETING. CORRECT. DID YOU SEE THIS APPLICATION COMING HERE? AND SO DID MR. URQUHART. AND THERE ARE ONLY ABOUT 3 OR 4 PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY OUT.
SUPPOSEDLY, 192 REGISTERED LETTERS WENT OUT TO THE COMMUNITY.
IF YOU'VE SEEN THE PAPER TWO WEEKS IN A ROW, A LITTLE SURPRISE.
PLEASE VISIT. I WENT OUT THERE ABOUT A MONTH AGO AND THERE WAS A CROP OF CORN AND.
PEANUTS. PEANUTS. LOOK GOOD TOO. YEAH, THEY LOOK VERY NICE BACK THEN.
BUT LOOK GOOD TODAY. AND THAT WAS THAT WAS BEFORE ALL THE RAIN WE GOT ALSO.
ALSO, IT'S MY OPINION THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF NEGATIVE INPUT FROM THE FROM THE PUBLIC PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE.
AND I THINK A YOUNG LADY OUT THERE IS ORGANIZING THAT, BUT I THINK IT'S BEST IF WE LOOK AT IT AND WE ALL TRY TO GET TO THE MEETING OVER HERE AT THE TOWN CENTER. I WAS NOT IMPRESSED WITH THEIR ERA OF COOPERATION.
THEY FIRST TOLD US THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO ADVERTISE AND HAVE ANOTHER MEETING BECAUSE IT WASN'T OUR ORDINANCE. SO I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A VERY FIRERY, CONTROVERSIAL THING.
AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE ENTIRELY DIFFERENT FROM THE ONE THAT WE OKAYED TONIGHT.
I AGREE. I AGREE. I MIGHT TRY TO GET THERE IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE.
CAN I ADD ONE THING? YES, SIR. THE FAIR IS AUGUST 5TH TO EIGHTH.
LITTLE TEXAS IS PLAYING FRIDAY, AUGUST 7TH WITH HIGH CARBON STEEL AND MOUNTAIN HIGHWAY.
AND THEN SATURDAY, AUGUST 8TH IS JAKE SUTTON, JOHN KING AND JET JURGENSMEYER AND I KNOW THAT THE, THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS THAT ARE ON THE FAIR BOARD.
THEY JUST HAD A FUNDRAISER TWO WEEKS AGO. THEY HAD THE FAIR JAM.
AND THESE BANDS THAT WE BRING IN ARE A LOT OF MONEY.
THEY'RE NOT CHEAP. AND APPARENTLY THE BANDS HAVE LIKE DOUBLED IN PRICE.
I THINK MR. TURNER STARTING A BAND, YOU KNOW.
YEAH. FIREMEN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT I WOULD JUST ASK THAT WE TRY TO SUPPORT, WE HAVE A LOT OF LOCAL VENDORS THAT ARE THERE SELLING FOOD FROM SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY THAT WE TRY TO SUPPORT THE FAIR.
YOU KNOW, A COUPLE YEARS WAS IT WASN'T LAST YEAR, THE YEAR BEFORE WE HAD THE BIG TORNADO AND WE'VE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY STEP UP. AND I JUST HAVE SEEN AND I'VE NOT BEEN ON THE FAIR BOARD, BUT I HAVE A LOT OF CLIENTS AND I KNOW THAT THEY ARE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THAT FAIR AND THE AGRICULTURE AND THE 4-H CENTER. I'M THE ATTORNEY FOR THE 4-H CENTER IN SUSSEX.
THEY'RE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THESE LOCAL FAIRS.
AND THEY'RE VERY EXPENSIVE TO PUT ON. AND IF THE COMMUNITY DOES NOT GO THERE AND BUY FOOD IT'S BAD FOR THE, FOR THE NEXT YEAR. AND USUALLY ALL THE MONEY THAT IS OBTAINED FROM THAT GOES TO THESE BANDS AND THEN IT GOES TO THE LOCAL IN THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LOT OF THE FOOD IS SOLD.
I THINK THERE'S A WRESTLING CLUB IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY.
SEVERAL CHURCHES SELL FOOD, AND I CAN'T THINK OF ALL OF THEM IN A COUPLE OF NONPROFITS.
SO TRY TO GO OUT TO THE FAIR ONE DAY, TAKE YOUR FAMILY, SPEND $100 IF YOU HAVE IT.
AND SUPPORT THIS IS AS LOCAL GRASSROOTS AS YOU CAN GET.
YEAH, EXACTLY. I, I GOT ONE MORE THING I'D LIKE TO ASK.
YES, SIR. AND IT WAS A LITTLE HARD TO SIT OUT THERE AND NOT MAKE COMMENTS ON A SOLAR APPLICATION, BUT WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE COMING UP. AND I APPRECIATE MR. CLAUD SEEING THAT LITTLE PART IN THERE THAT A LANDOWNER CAN SIGN OFF ON IT.
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AND I'M EXPERIENCING THAT WITH DOMINION POWER WITH THEM DOING A TRANSMISSION LINE.AS LONG AS I SIGN A LITTLE PIECE OF PAPER, MAN, THEY, THEY LOVE IT.
AND SO, BUT IN, IN THAT PROCESS, WE DO HAVE OUR ORDINANCE SET SO THAT THE DECOMMISSIONING COST IS TIED TO THE PARCEL, IS THAT CORRECT? SO IF A LANDOWNER SIGNS THAT IT'S OKAY.
ISN'T HE ACCEPTING THE RESPONSIBILITY TO CLEAN IT UP? THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. HE IS. IT WAS ADDRESSED THOUGH.
AND THEN HE FILES BANKRUPTCY AND IT'S SITTING RIGHT BACK IN OUR LAP.
RIGHT. SO I WANT I WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. YEAH.
BECAUSE I'M ABSTAINING FROM COMMENTING ON THAT APPLICATION.
BUT I DIDN'T ABSTAIN FROM COMMENTING ON OUR ORDINANCE.
RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO BE SURE THAT IT IS OBVIOUS THAT THAT WHOEVER OWNS THAT PARCEL, BUT I ALSO KNOW I HEARD IN THE, IN OUR ORDINANCE STUFF YEARS AGO, DOMINION IS NOT GOING TO DO THIS, THIS AND THIS. AND I USED TO SAY, WELL, THEY CAN SELL TO A SUBSTANDARD COMPANY B OR C, AND THEN THEY'LL WALK AWAY FROM IT.
RIGHT. AND HERE WE ARE. DOMINION HAS BEEN SOLD.
AND SO IT'S NO LONGER A VIRGINIA COMPANY. AND SO I WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE KEEP IT IN MIND THAT IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO LOOK OUTSIDE, AND I KNOW IT CAN. I HAD SOMEBODY ON THE STATE LEVEL TO TELL ME YEARS AGO WHEN, WHEN I BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT IT COULD BE WALKED AWAY FROM. AND THEY MADE THE STATEMENT, WELL, YOU STILL GOT A TRACK OF LAND.
YOU, YOU'VE CHANGED THE ZONING AND THE, THE VALUE OF IT HAS GONE UP.
AND THEY WAS ASSUMING THAT BECAUSE THE VALUE WAS UP.
SO I WAS GOING TO BE PAYING IT. AND I SAYS, WELL MONEY, $0 COLLECTED STILL MEANS NOTHING.
I DON'T CARE WHAT IT'S ON. AND THE GUY GOT QUIET ON THE OTHER END AND HE ASKED ME, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED? AND THAT WAS THE END OF OUR CONVERSATION. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK REZONING SOMETHING IS GREAT, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO GET US CAUGHT IN A BIND.
AND YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. ONE MAN CAN NOT OVERRIDE WHAT WE NEED FOR THE CANYON.
SO. BUT THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP BEFORE WE GET BACK INTO OUR NEXT MEETING.
I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS TONIGHT. YOU ALL ARE VERY THOROUGH. YES, MA'AM.
HOLD ON, HOLD ON. HOLD. DOMINION IS CHANGING AGAIN.
YEAH. I JUST WENT TO ANOTHER MEETING WITH DOMINION AND THE NAME THEY WILL BE ACQUIRING MORE, MORE TERRITORY, BUT IT WILL BE DIFFERENT NEXT YEAR.
YEAH. SO WE WERE JUST TALKING. IT USED TO BE, YOU KNOW, AGO.
BUT AT THAT MEETING THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION OF THE CHANGE THAT IS TO COME.
AND YOU WONDER WHAT HAPPENED WHEN THEY CHANGED THE CHANGES WITH THE NEW COMPANY.
YEAH. WELL, THERE'S MORE TRANSMISSION LINES COMING.
THAT'S WHAT'S POPPING UP. JUST WHAT YOU SAID.
YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. I'VE GOT ONE MORE. NO I DON'T.
I DO. ALL RIGHT, MR. CLAUD. YES, REAGAN. THE PACKAGE I SENT YOU TO SEND OUT, DID THAT GET SENT OUT? WILLIAMS MULLEN. OH, NO. THAT WASN'T ALL RIGHT.
BUT CAN WE. MAKE SOME COPIES. YEAH, I'LL MAKE A DELIVERY TO EVERYBODY OR JUST MAIL IT TO EVERYBODY.
THE REASON I SENT THE WILLIAMS MULLINS VERSION IS IT'S THE CLIFFSNOTES VERSION.
THE GOVERNOR HAS JUST SIGNED ACROSS THE STATE ANY PARCEL THAT HAS BEEN OWNED, ANY PARCEL THAT HAS BEEN OWNED BY A CHURCH FOR FIVE YEARS IS AUTOMATICALLY GRANDFATHERED OR.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THE GRANDFATHER'S NAME THE RIGHT WORD THERE.
AND WE HAVE NO SAY AS OF JULY 1ST. THAT'S JUST THE BEGINNING OF THE WHOLE LOT.
I SAW THAT THIS YEAR. NEXT YEAR. BUT THAT THAT MAY BE.
IT STARTS IN LIKE FIVE MONTHS FROM NOW OR SOMETHING.
YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. IN SOME LOCALITIES. WE'LL HAVE TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
I'VE BEEN WITH A CHURCH NOT DOING MULTIFAMILY, HELD UP FOR TWO YEARS IN CHESAPEAKE.
THEY KNEW THIS WAS COMING. THEY WOULDN'T GIVE US.
THEY DIDN'T RECOGNIZE THAT WE'RE NOT THE ENEMY.
THEY'RE TREATING US AS IF WE ARE MORE PEOPLE.
AND THE PROBLEM IS THEY HAVE NOW MADE THE PASTOR SO UPSET.
HE'S CONSIDERING DOING MULTIFAMILY. HE UNDERSTANDS THAT HE WOULD BE COLLECTING ABOUT A QUARTER OF $1 MILLION A MONTH IN RENT IN THAT QUARTER OF $1 MILLION WOULD THEN TRANSLATE TO HIM BEING ABLE TO BUY ANOTHER FACILITY AND PUT UP A BETTER CHURCH.
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SO IT'S YOU'LL SEE CONTRACTORS START. YEAH. IT'S EVERYWHERE.IT'S CRAZY. AND IT'S ALL BASED OFF OF THE. IT HAS TO BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
40% SECTION EIGHT OR SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE.
AND AND THAT'S WHY I SENT THAT OUT. SO EVERYBODY JUST BE AWARE.
AND I DIDN'T READ THE. Y'ALL SEEN ANYTHING ON THAT.
I SAW SOMETHING ON IT. OKAY. VERY SMALL SCALE.
YOU GUYS HAVE VOTED FOR OUR PRESIDENT GOVERNOR ARE GETTING EXACTLY WHAT YOU VOTED FOR.
I KNOW WHO IT IS, BUT I TOLD YOU SO. ALL RIGHT.
ALL RIGHT. IF WE'RE DONE, I GOT A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
GOT A SECOND? SECOND. GOT A SECOND? OKAY. ONE OF US.
CLOSE. THANK YOU GUYS FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.
THANK YOU. WE'LL SEE YOU AT THE MEETING. OKAY.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.