Jun 11, 2026 Planning Commission

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OH NO,

[1. CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL]

LORD, WE JUST ASK FOR WORLD PEACE, PEACE IN OUR COUNTRY, AND CONTINUE TO BLESS THE PEOPLE OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. BE WITH US TONIGHT. THAT WE'LL HAVE A GOOD AND PRODUCTIVE MEETING, AND WHEN THIS MEETING CONCLUDES, THAT WE ALL HAVE A SAFE JOURNEY BACK HOME. LORD, ALL THESE THINGS WE ASK IN YOUR SON'S NAME, JESUS CHRIST. AMEN. AMEN. YOU MAY BE SEATED. GOOD EVENING. WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE OUR GUESTS IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT, BUT WE WELCOME, WE WELCOME YOU HERE TONIGHT AND GLAD YOU'RE BEING PART OF THE MEETING TONIGHT.

WELCOME YOU ALL BEING HERE. IT LOOKS LIKE EVERYONE IS IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT, SO THAT'S FANTASTIC TO BE RIGHT HERE ON THE BEGINNING OF SUMMER. SO ANYWAY, I'M GLAD Y'ALL COULD BE HERE TONIGHT. LOOKS LIKE EVERYBODY HAS THEIR AGENDA PACKETS IN FRONT OF THEM. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID WE'LL GET

[3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

ON PAGE 2. ALL RIGHT. THE VOTE IS WRONG. SHOULD BE 8 TO 0 INSTEAD OF 7 TO 0. OKAY. ON PAGE 6. PAGE 6. OKAY. LET ME GET THERE. WHERE VICE CHAIRMAN MR. RANDALL WAS NOT ACTUALLY ABSENT. HE HAD JUST RECUSED HIMSELF FROM THE VOTE. YES, HE HAS STEPPED DOWN, CORRECT? WASN'T THAT THE MOTION? THAT'S RIGHT.

BUT BY BELOW THE VOTE, YOU SEE WHERE HE CAME BACK AND SAID, AND, AND FOR THE RECORD, I HAD A CONFLICT BECAUSE I REPRESENT THEM THE BULLY DOG TRAINING FOLKS, IN A CIVIL MATTER THAT'S PENDING IN THE SOUTHAMPTON GENERAL DISTRICT COURT. OKAY.

SO I THINK THAT WAS A CLEAR CONFLICT, BEING THAT I HAD A FIDUCIARY DUTY TO THEM TO NOT VOTE ON ANY OF THEIR APPLICATIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I DIDN'T DISCLOSE THAT. I JUST SAID I HAD A CONFLICT, RIGHT, TO BE CLEAR.

BUT THEY'RE CURRENT CLIENTS, ACTIVE CLIENTS OF MINE. OKAY.

VERY, OKAY. AND ON PAGE 8, THE 4TH PARAGRAPH, COMMISSIONER EDWARDS WAS DENOTED AS CHAIRMAN EDWARDS. YES. SECOND PARAGRAPH. YES. IS THAT RIGHT? FOURTH ONE. YES. EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW HIM AS PRESIDENT EDWARDS. YES. OKAY. WAS THERE ANY OTHER, MR. URQUHART, ANY OTHER THING? THAT'S ALL.

ANYONE ELSE SEE ANYTHING THAT, AND ARRIVING AT, THAT'S TIGHT RIGHT THERE. GOOD GRACIOUS. I WANT TO NOTE TONIGHT I WAS ON TIME.

ON TIME. GOOD GRACIOUS. I'M IN TROUBLE NOW. MR. CHAIRMAN, MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE CORRECTIONS. HAVE A PROPER MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE CORRECTIONS NOTED. DO I HEAR A SECOND? SECOND. HAVE A PROPER SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED, LIKE SIGN. IT CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

NOW HOW ABOUT THE CALL MEETING ON THURSDAY, MAY 21ST? THAT WAS A SHORT MEETING. ANY ISSUES THERE? ANYBODY DISCOVERING ANYTHING? YES, SIR, MR. CHAIRMAN. OKAY, FRANK. WHAT? I RECOGNIZE YOU AGAIN. YOU HAVE PROOF FOR YOU, DON'T YOU? AND HE WAS FROM IVOR. FOLLOWS MR. CHESSUM. YES, HE DOES. THAT'S WHAT I WAS FIXING SOMETHING TO WORK. WE GAVE MR. CHESSUM

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UM, ONCE AGAIN, MR. MANN GOT A PROMOTION THERE. GOT A TICKET INSTEAD OF COMMISSIONER, YOU MOVED UP TO CHAIRMAN.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT. RECOGNIZE YOUR ACCELERATION. WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH. SO, MR. MANN, IF YOU WANT THE GAVEL OVER THERE, WE CAN. I SEE ON PAGE TWO IT'S GOT IT CORRECT. CHAIRMAN MICHAEL DRAKE. THAT'S THE. I DID COME IN LATE THAT EVENING.

BUT ANYWAY. UH, SO, OKAY, THAT'S PROPERLY NOTED.

ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S ALL I HAD. AND I'LL JUST LET OUR GUESTS KNOW THESE ARE JUST MINOR. OUR SECRETARY DOES A WONDERFUL JOB. IT'S, IT'S A BIG JOB TO RECORD ALL THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAVE AND JUST, JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF MISPRINT NAMES HERE AND THERE.

UH, SHE'S, THEY THINK THAT DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO BE COMMENDED FOR THE JOB THEY DO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DO I HEAR A MOTION? I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES WITH THE LISTED CHANGES AND CORRECTIONS.

ALL RIGHT. HAVE A PROPER MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL AS PRESENTED WITH THE 2 NOTED CORRECTIONS.

SECOND. HAVE A PROPER SECOND.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? BEING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. YOU OPPOSED, LIKE SIGN. IT CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY, VERY GOOD.

ALL RIGHT, WE'RE DOWN

[4. PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD]

WE'RE GOING TO ASK, WE'RE GOING TO ASK YOUR NAME AND WHERE YOU RESIDE AT.

THAT'S ALL. OH, I WAS GOING TO GIVE IT. MY NAME IS CHERYL MORTON. I RESIDE IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. WELCOME.

YES, THANK YOU. AND MY THING THAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS NUMBER 7. YES, MA'AM.

NEW BUSINESS. UH-HUH. YES, WE THERE WAS A MEETING OVER AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER ON LAST NIGHT SO I HAD A CHANCE TO DISCUSS THAT ISSUE WITH THE DIMENSION ENERGY PEOPLE. THE COMMUNITY IS OPPOSED TO THEM PUTTING THOSE SOLAR PANELS IN THE MIDST OF THE COMMUNITY WHERE THEY SAY THEY WANT TO PUT THE PANELS.

IT'S RIGHT IN THE CENTER OF ALL THE HOUSES, AND IT'S VERY CLOSE TO THE HOUSES. SO WE OPPOSE THAT. UM, I'VE STARTED A PETITION AND I'VE STARTED GATHERING NAMES AND I VOICED MY OPINION TO THE DIMENSION PEOPLE. UH, NOT ONLY ARE THEY GOING TO PUT THOSE SOLAR PANELS OUT THERE THEY'RE GOING TO PUT GOATS OUT THERE TO EAT THE GRASS AND ALL OF THAT. MY THING IS, I'M WONDERING WHY ARE THEY TRYING TO PUT THOSE PANELS IN OUR COMMUNITY? SMALL COMMUNITY A LOT OF OLDER PEOPLE, BUT IT'S VERY SMALL COMMUNITY.

IT'S A MINORITY COMMUNITY. AND I WANTED TO KNOW, AND I ASKED THEM, IS THAT THE REASON? UM, BECAUSE IT DOES NOT ADD UP TO ME. NOW, IN MY PROFESSION, WHICH IS A REGISTERED NURSE, THEY TAUGHT US CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS, AND I WAS USING THOSE SKILLS BECAUSE IT DOES NOT ADD UP TO WHY THEY CHOSE THAT LOCATION. THEY TOLD ME THEY DID RESEARCH TO FIND OUT THE AMOUNT OF LAND THAT THEY WANT AND SOMEBODY WILLING TO RENT IT TO THEM. AND THE LAND IS GOING TO BE RENTED TO DIMENSION ENERGY. THEY SO THE

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BUT THE THING OF IT IS, SHE SAID THAT THEY ARE GOING TO DIG THE HOLE AND ALL THE WIRING IS GOING TO BE ATTACHED TO THE LINES TO DOMINION. MOST OF US OUT THERE IN THAT AREA, WE ALREADY HAVE DOMINION POWER. AND SO I ASKED HER, WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS? WHAT ARE THE RISKS? SHE SAYS THE BENEFIT WOULD BE YOU MIGHT GET 10% OFF YOUR DOMINION BILL. 10% WITH THE BILL LIKE IT IS, IS NOT VERY MUCH. AND SHE NEVER GOT AROUND TO THE RISK FOR ME.

BUT I DID A LITTLE INVESTIGATION. I WENT TO THEIR SITE, I LOOKED AT THEIR SITE, AND I ASKED HER ABOUT THE RISK BECAUSE THOSE PANELS, THEY HAVE HAZARDOUS MATERIALS IN THEM. BUT SHE SAID THEY DON'T PUT ANY HAZARDOUS MATERIALS IN THEM. IT COMES FROM THE FACTORY WHEN THEY MAKE THEM. THAT'S ALL GOOD. BUT SUPPOSE THERE'S AN ELECTRICAL STRIKE. SUPPOSE THERE ARE SOME WAY WHERE THOSE CHEMICALS GET OUT. AND I DON'T WANT IT TO DO HARM, NOT TO MYSELF. I DONE FOUGHT CANCER ONE TIME. I DON'T WANT TO FIGHT IT ANYMORE. AND THEN 02, I ASKED ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT. WHAT THEY DO, THEY COME IN, THEY DO A PROJECT FOR 25 TO 30 YEARS, PUT THE SOLAR PANELS THERE, AND SAY THAT WHEN THEY LEAVE, THEY WILL LEAVE THE LAND THE WAY THEY FOUND IT. BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IF THEY GOT WIRING UNDER THE GROUND THAT THE LAND IS GOING TO BE LIKE THEY FOUND IT. I THINK THERE WILL BE SOME DEGRADATION TO THE LAND. AND THAT'S MY OPINION, BUT I THINK SO. UH, THEY SUPPOSED TO, AND I ASKED, I SAID, YOU PUTTING THOSE PANELS OUT THERE, IT'S AN EYESORE. SO SHE SAID THEY CAN PUT TREES DOWN TO TRY TO HIDE THE PANELS. OKAY, IT TAKES A WHILE FOR TREES TO GROW, SO IT'S STILL GOING TO BE AN EYESORE. IT'S STILL GOING TO BE SHINING OBJECT IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR COMMUNITY. THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT. SO THE COMMUNITY, FROM WHERE I GATHER, AND I WENT OUT THERE AS HOT AS IT IS TODAY TO COLLECT THOSE SIGNATURES, THEY DON'T WANT IT, AND I DON'T WANT IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. 3 OF US WERE THERE LAST NIGHT.

YES, YES, I REMEMBER YOU WERE THERE.

CHAIRMAN DRAKE AND MR. URQUHART WERE THERE AND HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH THEM.

AND I THINK I CAN ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS IN THAT HOW THIS CAME ABOUT WAS IT WAS DONE BEHIND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD NO KNOWLEDGE OF IT. OKAY. AND THE ONE WHO HELPED ENGINEER IT NO LONGER WORKS FOR THE COUNTY. OKAY.

AND THE QUESTION TO THE LAND IS THAT LAND WILL NEVER, CAN NEVER BE PUT BACK. LIED ABOUT THAT, RIGHT? I KNOW, RIGHT? SO WE, WE HAD SOME HEART-TO-HEART TALKS WITH THEM AND LET THEM KNOW THAT WE WERE VERY ANTI-SOLAR. AND MY POSITION IS THAT IF THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T WANT IT, I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR IT. THANK YOU. SO I COULD TELL YOU THAT RIGHT, RIGHT FROM THE GET-GO. OKAY. YOU GET ALL THOSE SIGNATURES TOGETHER.

YES, I GOT SOME OF THEM HERE WITH ME NOW. AND I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY PICKED ON YOUR COMMUNITY. I GUESS THEY THOUGHT MAYBE YOU WOULDN'T FIGHT BACK.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I SAID.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I SAID.

AND NOT ONLY THAT, EXCUSE ME, NOT ONLY THAT, WHEN I WENT TO GET THE SIGNATURES, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAD NOT GOT THE NOTICE.

THEY DID NOT SEND A LETTER TO EVERYBODY. SO THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

ALL RIGHT, MR. RANDALL. WE ALSO ASKED FOR IT TO BE ADVERTISED IN THE PAPER. AND THEY REFUSED.

SO WE TOLD THEM LAST NIGHT WE WANT A, YOU WANT IT ADVERTISED 2 WEEKS IN A ROW IN THE PAPER FOR EVERYBODY, THE WHOLE COUNTY, TO COME. AND I THINK THEY SORT OF CONSENTED TO THAT BECAUSE WE SORT OF INTIMATED THEY WERE GETTING OFF ON THE WRONG FOOT TO BEGIN WITH. YES. ALL RIGHT,

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NOW, QUESTION. DO YOU GUYS POST THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE WEBSITE? BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE I GO TO GET THE INFORMATION ON SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY'S WEBSITE.

ADVERTISED TWICE IN THE PAPER IN THE 2 WEEKS PRIOR TO THE MEETING. OKAY. AND YOU'LL BE NOTIFIED BY LETTER.

OKAY. YEAH. PREFERABLY THIS TIME, THERE WILL BE CERTIFIED LETTERS. OKAY. THEY PROBABLY JUST SENT REGULAR LETTERS, LIKE REGULAR MAIL. THEY DID.

OKAY. THIS ONE'S GOOD. THE NEXT ONES, I'M GOING TO INSTRUCT THEM TO SEND CERTIFIED LETTERS SO WE HAVE DOCUMENTATION OF WHO RECEIVED IT, OR THAT IT WAS AT LEAST SENT TO THAT HOUSE, YOU KNOW. SO WHETHER OR NOT SOMEONE OPENS IT AND DOES SOMETHING, BUT THEY CAN'T SAY THEY DIDN'T RECEIVE IT, RIGHT? THEY RECEIVED IT.

THEY MAYBE DIDN'T OPEN IT.

YEAH. SO, BUT I WILL INSTRUCT THE ENGINEER COMPANY, THE DEVELOPER, TO SEND YOU CERTIFIED MAIL.

OKAY. NOT RETURN RECEIPT, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT, BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, NOT EVERYBODY WILL BE HOME.

YEAH. BUT I WILL INSTRUCT THEM TO SEND CERTIFIED MAIL SO WE HAVE RECORD THAT THEY DID RECEIVE IT. RIGHT. THAT'S WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS, AND I ENCOURAGE YOU, IF WHEN THAT MEETING COMES UP, IF THEY FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE APPLICATION, THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING. I ENCOURAGE YOU AND OTHERS TO PLEASE COME BACK. WE WILL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THE IMPRESSIONS OF YOU AND MR. URQUHART, WHO WERE THERE ALSO. WELL, I HAVE SOME REAL CONCERNS. I REALLY DO. FROM LAST NIGHT TALKING TO THE INDIVIDUALS, THERE'S SOME THINGS I THINK THEY'VE OVERLOOKED THAT REALLY CONCERNS ME WITH THE LOCATION. AND I'LL BE BRIEF BECAUSE I CAN'T GIVE MY OPINION UNTIL I HEAR IT ALL, BUT I, I DO HAVE SOME REAL CONCERNS.

YEAH, I DO TOO. THANK YOU.

ANYBODY ELSE? I DID BRING UP THE ISSUE WITH THEM AS FAR AS IT BEING AN EYESORE TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE PLANTING OF THE TREES AND THE SLOW GROWTH.

AND I WAS ASKING ALONG THE LINES, WELL, IF YOU GUYS ARE OUT THERE DOING LAND MANAGEMENT OR WHATEVER AS YOU PUTTING THIS IN, COULD YOU NOT TAKE SOME OF THE SOIL THAT YOU ARE DISTURBING AND BUILD A BERM UP LIKE THEY DO AT HOUSING PROJECTS AND STUFF, AND THAT'LL AUTOMATICALLY BE A BLOCK. THEN YOU CAN PUT THE TREES ON TOP OF THAT, SO THAT WOULD GIVE YOU A DOUBLE BUFFER.

BUT THEY WERE SAYING THAT THEY WEREN'T GOING TO BE DISTURBING THAT LAND RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE, BUT THEY WERE SAYING IT'S A FLAT FIELD RIGHT NOW. IT IS, AND IT'S CROPS ALREADY ON THERE. IF YOU CAN UTILIZE EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE THERE TO SOLVE THE SITUATION. AND THE THING THERE ON THE USE OF GOATS, IT WAS NOT GOATS, IT WAS SHEEP. BECAUSE SHE TOLD ME GOATS SO THEY COULD EAT THE GRASS SO NOBODY WOULD GO OUT THERE AND CUT THE GRASS.

BUT GOATS WOULD TEAR THE SO SHE SAID GOATS JUMP ALL ON TOP OF THE PANELS AND HAVE THAT ISSUE THAT YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT.

NO, YOU'RE RIGHT. I THINK SHE SAID SHEEP BECAUSE I TOLD HER ONE GOT OUT, I MIGHT HAVE ME SOME LAMB CHOPS. SO I THINK IT WAS SHEEP. YES. WELL, THE ONE ON 258 GOING TO SMITHFIELD ON THE RIGHT, THEY DO HAVE SHEEP, GOATS, WHATEVER OUT THERE, AND THEY HAVE IT FENCED IN. SO

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BUT THAT IS SOMETHING VERY, I GUESS, SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO PUT IN YOUR BACKYARD. BUT LIKE I TOLD THEM, I SAID BUSINESSES ARE BUSINESSES TO MAKE MONEY. I WANT TO KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO GET MONEY OUT OF THAT COMMUNITY BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY IS NOT A COMMUNITY THAT FLOURISHES AS FAR AS MONEY-WISE. AND WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO DO ALL OF THAT TO DO THAT LAND, YOU WANT TO RECOUP YOUR MONEY. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO GET THE MONEY BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH PEOPLE SIGNING UP BECAUSE THERE'S ONE IN NEWSOM'S THAT IS OUT THERE THAT PEOPLE MAY HAVE SIGNED UP FOR ALREADY. SO I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHY. DID YOU, DID YOU NOTICE THAT THE $262 THEY PROMISED YOU THERE'S NO WRITTEN CONTRACT. THEY DIDN'T PROMISE US ANYTHING. SIGNING THE LINE, THEY DON'T HAVE TO KEEP THEIR PROMISE IN ANYTHING. AND I CAN TELL YOU THERE'S A SIMILAR PROJECT UP IN AUGUSTA COUNTY THAT'S GOING THROUGH THIS RIGHT NOW, JUST OUTSIDE OF WAYNESBORO, AND THEY HAVE NOT KEPT THEIR PROMISE THERE. THEY HAD THE SAME THING. WELL, WE DIDN'T EVEN GET A PROMISE. UM, BUT ANYWAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HEARING ME OUT. OKAY. AND AS FAR AS THEIR PROCESS OF CITING THESE PLACES, THEY WERE SAYING THAT THEY HAVE SOFTWARE THAT LOOKS AT ALL THE GIVEN AREAS AND WHERE THE SUBSTATIONS ARE AND WHATEVER, AND THE PROXIMITY OF OPEN LAND TO THAT SUBSTATION AND THE EXISTING SUBSTRUCTURE OF UTILITY THERE. AND THAT'S HOW THEY MAKE THEIR DETERMINATION TO STRIKE SOME SITES OFF THE BOOK. AUTOMATICALLY.

SO SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE, YOU GUYS MUST BE CLOSE TO A SUBSTATION. WELL, I KNOW THEY PLAN ON HOOKING UP TO DOMINION ENERGY, RIGHT? BUT THE THING OF IT IS, I ASKED HER, I SAID, NOW SUPPOSE OUR LIGHTS GO OUT WITH DOMINION ENERGY. IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOLAR PANELS THERE, WOULD THEY KICK IN, GIVE US LIGHT? SHE SAID NO.

NO, YEAH, NO, NO. ALL SOLAR PANELS, EVEN IF YOU HAVE YOUR OWN RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND EVERYTHING, THEY HAVE BUILT-IN CIRCUITS THAT WHEN THE GRID GOES DOWN, THEY GO DOWN BECAUSE IT'S A SAFETY FEATURE WHERE YOU DON'T BE PUMPING ELECTRICITY ON THE LINE AND BLOW THE REPAIR LINEMAN OFF THE POLE WHILE HE'S OUT THERE WORKING ON IT. AND THE OTHER THING SHE, I ASKED HER, I SUPPOSE SOMETHING GO WRONG WITH THESE PANELS UM, IS THERE A MECHANISM WHEREIN THAT YOU GUYS WOULD KNOW SOMETHING IS GOING WRONG AND SOMEBODY CAN COME OUT AND FIX IT? SHE SAID SOMEBODY WOULD GET THE MESSAGE, SO THAT WASN'T CONCRETE TO ME. YEAH, MA'AM, I THINK IF THERE, IF YOU FOLKS GENERATE A BIG CROWD AT THIS UPCOMING MEETING, THAT MAY BE THE END OF THE WHOLE THING. I CAN DO THAT. I CAN DO THAT. MR. PRINCE, SHE ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT IT BEING ON THE WEBSITE, AND I DIDN'T EVER HEAR THE RESPONSE TO THAT. SO NOW, OH, THE NOTICE. WELL, NO, THE NOTICE FOR THE NEXT MEETING ANY FUTURE MEETINGS, THEY PROBABLY WON'T BE ON THE WEBSITE. OKAY.

BUT THEY WILL BE ADVERTISED IN THE NEWSPAPER, AND THEN YOU'LL ALSO GET LETTERS.

OKAY, SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN THAT BECAUSE MAYBE NOT EVERYBODY HAS INTERNET SERVICE, BUT RIGHT, WE WILL TRY TO, WE WILL GET THE LETTERS AND NOTICES TO YOU.

OKAY, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FIRST, WHICH IS THE SECOND THURSDAY.

NO, THIS MEETING, OH, THAT'S THE ONE WITH THE COMPANY. THIS TOWN HALL MEETING COMES BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION. OKAY, RIGHT. WE MADE THAT VERY CLEAR TO THEM. THEY REFUSED TO DO IT THE FIRST TIME WE ASKED.

REMEMBER WHEN WE ASKED LAST MEETING? YEAH. OKAY. THEY SAID NO, IT WASN'T IN THE ORDINANCE, SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO DO IT.

OKAY. AND I TOLD THEM, I SAID YOU'RE GETTING OFF ON THE WRONG FOOT RIGHT AWAY.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HAVE YOU GOT MR. PRINCE'S PHONE NUMBER? NO, IN THE OFFICE. BUT, BUT I HAVE ALL YOUR ADDRESSES.

OKAY, WONDERFUL. I HAVE YOUR ADDRESS. OKAY. YEAH, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. I'LL MAKE SURE EVERYBODY THAT'S PERIMETER, AND THEY DID 1-MILE RADIUS FOR EVERYBODY, THAT'S WHAT THEY NOTIFY. OKAY, BUT I'LL MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY GETS A LETTER. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, WE APPRECIATE IT. UH-HUH, SURE.

THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

IF ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK.

ANYBODY? ANYBODY? VERY INFORMAL. ANYTHING, ANY CONCERNS WITH THE COUNTY? ANYTHING BUGGING YOU OR THERE'S YOUR TIME. YES, MA'AM, I UNDERSTAND. YES, MA'AM,

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YES, MA'AM, AND I ENCOURAGE ANY OTHERS THAT HAD THE SAME CONCERN JUST BE AWARE OF YOUR MAILINGS. YOU SHOULD GET A PROPER NOTICE IF THE APPLICATION COMES BEFORE US.

YOU SHOULD GET A PERSONAL INVITE TO BE HERE, AND I ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO COME AND YOU'LL HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AGAIN. SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. IF THERE'S NO ONE ELSE AT THIS TIME COMING FORWARD, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. OKAY. MOVING DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER 5. WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC HEARINGS SCHEDULED THIS EVENING. AND

[6. UNFINISHED BUSINESS ]

SO I WANTED THAT TO BE UP FRONT EARLIER SO WE GET SOME OF THAT NOISE STUDY DONE WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT EARLY ON IN THEIR APPLICATION PROCESS.

SO THAT WAS THE ONLY 2 CHANGES I DID. THE OTHER CHANGE I DID WAS ON AT THE END, BUT THE HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURES THAT IS AT THE VERY END WHERE IT SAYS DESIGN HEIGHT. IT'S ON PAGE PAGE 13. OKAY. ITEM 6 ON LINE 15. HEIGHT. BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM SHALL NOT EXCEED 10 FEET IN HEIGHT. SO BEFORE, I HAD IT MUCH TALLER, AND I DID SOME MORE RESEARCH AND I COULD BRING THAT DOWN.

OKAY. THEY'RE BASICALLY THE SAME SIZE AS A STORAGE CONTAINER. THAT YOU WOULD SEE ON THE BACK OF A TRUCK THAT COMES FROM LIKE THE PORT OF VIRGINIA, RIGHT? THAT'S BASICALLY THE SIZE OF THE UNITS. SO IT'S NOT TRULY A BUILDING IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S WITH YOUR UNIFORM STATEWIDE BUILDING CODE, KIND OF A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE.

IT'S, IT'S, YEAH, THEY'RE BASICALLY METAL STRUCTURES THAT MIRROR THE SIZE OF A OF A STORAGE CONTAINER. YEAH, A METAL STORAGE CONTAINER.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

SURE. UH, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT. YES, SIR. SO, SO WE'RE SAYING THE HEIGHT CANNOT EXCEED 10 FEET, AND I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE THE PEAK OF THE ROOF IS 10 FEET 2 INCHES. WELL, I MEAN, THEY'RE FLAT. THEY'RE ALL FLAT ROOFS. BUT YEAH, BUT YEAH, BUT I GOT YOU. IS THERE ANY PROVISION FOR THAT LITTLE THAT LITTLE EXCEPTION ABOVE 10 FEET, OR THAT, THAT LITTLE ADJUSTMENT BECAUSE THEY'RE MEASURED FROM THE GROUND. YOU PUT IN A 4-INCH SLAB, YOU PUT THE THING ON TOP OF IT, AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU GO OUT AND MEASURE IT AND THEY'RE OUT BY AN INCH OR 2. IS THERE, CAN THERE BE A PROVISION THERE AS APPROVED BY NO, OKAY, I COULD PUT SOMETHING IN THERE LIKE THAT. DON'T WE, THE GOVERNING BODY CAN MAKE EXCEPTIONS. WELL, WE'LL SAY RATHER THAN COMING TO US, THEY COULD GO TO REAGAN AND SAY IT'S RIGHT, 10 FOOT 6 INCHES.

NOBODY, RIGHT? WE HAVE THAT IN THERE SOMEWHERE IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. OKAY. YEAH, LIKE

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EDWARDS. UH, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS LIKE ON PAGE, FOR EXAMPLE, PAGE 12 LINE 12, THE BOARD MAY DETERMINE THAT FURTHER SCREENING IMPROVEMENT MAY BE REDUCED. A SENTENCE LIKE THAT, I THINK, IS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT FOR TO ADDRESS THE HEIGHT ISSUE.

SO IF I COULD, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I CAN PUT A SENTENCE IN THERE SIMILAR TO THAT FOR THE HEIGHT CONSIST THE HEIGHT SITUATION RIGHT HERE UNDER HEIGHT, MAYBE ON LINE 18. THE BOARD CAN ALLOW ADJUSTMENTS FOR THE HEIGHT SHOULD, SHOULD SOMETHING IN THE FIELD BE SUCH THAT IT EXCEEDS THE 10-FOOT HEIGHT. THEY CAME TO YOU, IF THEY CAME TO SAY, REAGAN, WE'RE, WE'RE 8 INCHES OUT, IS IT EASIER FOR YOU TO GO, YEAH, 8 INCHES IS NO BIG DEAL, AND APPROVE IT RIGHT THERE? OR IS IT EASIER FOR YOU TO DO THE PAPERWORK TO BRING IT THROUGH HERE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ADVERTISED.

IT WOULD, THAT, I'M JUST SAYING, THAT LITTLE TRIVIAL, EXACTLY, A BIG DEAL. YEAH, IT WOULD BE EASIER FOR ME TO DO THAT IN THE FIELD OR IN PLAN, YOU KNOW. YEAH, I WOULD THINK IT'D BE EASIER IF YOU WERE JUST ABLE TO APPROVE. I THINK ALL OF US ARE OKAY WITH 11 FEET, RIGHT? AND COMMON SENSE APPLICATION. EXACTLY. YEAH, THAT'S FINE. I THINK, MR. MANN, YOU MIGHT KNOW IF IT IS A, THEY LOOK LIKE SHIPPING CONTAINERS.

YEAH. YEAH.

BUT I'M JUST WONDERING. AREN'T THEY, DON'T THEY SIT ON THE CHASSIS 9 FOOT TO THE TOP? FROM THE CHASSIS TO THE TOP? I THINK THEY SIT ON THE GROUND LIKE A, ONLY 13 FOOT, WHICH IS YOU ALLOW 4 FOOT FOR THE CHASSIS AND THE WHEELS.

ISN'T THAT PRETTY STANDARD? NO, IT ACTUALLY SITS ON THE GROUND. IT'S LIKE TAKEN OFF THE GROUND. I KNOW, BUT I'M JUST SAYING ON A TYPICAL TRUCK. OH, YES.

OKAY. GOTCHA. SO YOU WOULD, YOU SHOULD HAVE PLENTY OF CLEARANCE TO BE ABLE TO CEMENT PAY IT. BUT THINK ABOUT IT, IT'S 4 CORNERS AND WE'RE ON A SLOPE, SO NOW THAT BACK CORNER EXCEEDS. AND SO IF, SO YOU'RE GOING TO MEASURE GRAIN LEVEL, NOT THE CONCRETE PAY IT. IT OCCURS IN MY JUT LINE A LOT, RIGHT? I GET A LOT OF VARIANCE.

A REALLY FANCY NEW INSPECTOR MEASURED ALL 4 CORNERS AND THE MIDPOINTS AND OH, YOU'RE OUT.

WE'VE HAD THEM WITH JUST A TREE THAT WAS A HALF AN INCH TOO SHORT. UM, SO IT WOULD JUST SEEM TO ME IT WOULD BE EASIER FOR US IF REAGAN HAD THE POWER TO APPROVE THOSE WITH COMMON SENSE. TO DO 11, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING? WELL, I'M NOT SAYING A SPECIFIC CUTOFF. IT WOULD CASE BY CASE. CASE BY CASE. OKAY.

OKAY. NOT EVEN OUR CONSTITUTION IS PERFECT. ALL RIGHT, GOOD. IT'S CLOSE.

THAT'S THE MAN. YOU GOT ME.

I'M, I'M WONDERING IF I UNDERSTAND YOU BEING ABLE TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS, BUT SHOULD WE, SHOULD WE SAY LIMITED TO 10% OR 15%, NOTHING OVER 10% OR 15%? AND MAINLY BECAUSE, WELL, WHAT'S THAT? WE'RE SETTING THE REGULATIONS, NOT THEM TELLING US. YEP, WE SAID IT. YOU DON'T CONFIDE WE DON'T APPROVE IT. I'M SORRY, WE'RE SETTING THE STANDARDS.

YEAH, BUT, BUT DOESN'T A LOT OF THE BUILDING CODES REGULATE THAT? I MEAN, AREN'T WE KIND OF OVER AND I'M ALL ABOUT, YOU KNOW MY POSITION ABOUT SOLAR PANELS, AND WE'RE FOLLOWING OTHER JURISDICTIONS, KIND OF. WE'RE KIND OF GOING ON THAT. YEAH, BUT I JUST DON'T WANT TO OVERDO IT TO THE POINT WHERE A COURT COULD DETERMINE THAT IT'S UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

BUT WE'VE GOT TO REMEMBER WHAT RAYLEIGH WAS, RICHARD, IS WE CAN HAVE DISCRETION, BUT THIS, THE STATUTE IS KIND OF A CORE, AND WE DON'T WANT TO, BECAUSE YOU KNOW HOW SOMETIMES WE GET IN HERE, AND I'M ALWAYS THE ONE THAT WE OVERDO IT. YEAH. AND WE ACT LIKE WE'RE OPEN FOR BUSINESS, BUT WE'RE OPEN FOR THE RIGHT BUSINESS. SO I THINK WE'RE THINKING OUR STATUTE, OUR CORE, AND THEN OUR BUILDING OFFICIALS TAKE IT FROM THERE. AND THEN WHAT DO OUR BUILDING OFFICIALS, THEY HAVE POLICE POWER, OKAY, TO DO THOSE THINGS. SO I JUST, I'M GETTING THAT FEELING AGAIN.

WELL, MY, MY THOUGHT IS, I THINK THEY ALREADY GOT A 3-FOOT CUSHION IF IT'S ON A LEVEL SURFACE, RIGHT? THE GRADE IS LEVEL, THEY ALREADY GOT A 3-FOOT BUFFER. BUT YOU SEE THE STEP WE'RE TAKING, WE'RE TAKING THE SECOND, WE'RE TAKING THE BUILDING OFFICIAL STEP, RIGHT? RIGHT. THAT'S THEM FOR, FOR, FOR POLICE POWER, SAFETY. YOU KNOW, IF THE PITCH IS TOO MUCH, AND THEY DETERMINE IT, THEY HAVE A HUGE AMOUNT OF POWER,

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YOU KNOW, TO MAKE THAT CALL ON A PLAN, ON THE PITCH, ON THE ANGLES OF THAT. AND I JUST THINK YOU KNOW, OUR CORE IS KIND OF GOOD, BUT WE DON'T NEED TO GET IN THE TECHNICAL MINUTIA.

THAT'S MY POINT. YEAH, AND I WOULD HATE FOR IT TO COME BACK HERE EVERY TIME.

EVERY TIME, RIGHT. EXACTLY.

AND THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING IF WE COULD JUST ADD IN THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, AT THE DISCRETION OF THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, MINOR ADJUSTMENTS. I'M JUST SAYING WE KEEP THE LANGUAGE MORE IN THEIR DISCRETION THAN SOME NUMBER THAT WE'RE, AND MAYBE YOU'RE AN EXPERT IN, BUT I'M CERTAINLY NOT. YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU'RE HALF AN INCH OUT. YEAH, RIGHT.

EXACTLY. THAT'S YOUR JOB.

YEAH, RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, I COULD PUT SOME VERBIAGE IN HERE TO ADDRESS THAT. OKAY. SEE IF THAT CAN BE INCORPORATED.

YES. OKAY. YEAH, BECAUSE THE MAJOR THING THERE IS MEASURED FROM THE GROUND, AND BASICALLY YOU'RE AT THE AMBIGUITY OF TALKING JUST THE HEIGHT OF THE STEEL STRUCTURE CONTAINER OR WHATEVER FOUNDATION THAT, THAT STRUCTURE SITS ON, BECAUSE THEY MAY BE TRYING TO GET IT WHERE IT DOESN'T GET RAINWATER OR WHATEVER LIKE THAT. SO YOU HAVE A LARGE VARIANCE IN THAT. SO WE'RE STICKING WITH THE THING. SO THAT'S WHERE COMMON SENSE COMES IN, THAT WHATEVER FOUNDATION THAT THE THING IS SITTING ON, NO HIGHER THAN 10 FEET FROM THAT. YEAH, OR 10 FEET FROM FINISHED FLOOR, RIGHT? UM, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE OCCASIONS WHERE WE'RE PERCHED ABOVE FLOOD ZONE, AND SO FROM GROUND 3 FEET LOWER, NOTHING WOULD FIT. SO YEAH, BUT MAYBE IF YOU CHANGE THAT INSTEAD OF FROM GROUND, FROM FINISHED FLOOR. OKAY, AND THAT, THAT WOULD LOCK IT RIGHT IN, RIGHT? THE 10 FEET IS GOING TO BE TIGHT BECAUSE I THINK THE UNIT, I THINK I COULD GO HIGHER. I CAN GO 15 FEET TO ACCOUNT FOR ANY MOST OF THEM ARE 8 FOOT ON THE INSIDE, 8 FOOT CLEARANCE ON THE INSIDE, WHAT I REMEMBER. SO 9 FOOT, IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY CLOSE TO WHAT A CONTAINER IS FROM BOTTOM TO TOP. SO IT'S GOING TO BE, IT'LL BE A TIGHT CLEARANCE. IT WOULD, IT WOULD. YEAH, I'LL GIVE THEM EXTRA 5 FEET. I'LL JUST MAKE THIS 10 FEET. I MEAN, SORRY, 15 FEET. IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE A COUPLE MORE ACTUALLY, OKAY, TO BE, I MEAN, GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY AS LONG AS IT'S NOT SITTING OUT THERE LIKE A TAJ MAHAL, RIGHT? RIGHT, RIGHT, EXACTLY.

YOU GOT, YOU GOT THE 10 FEET FROM WHAT STANDARD IS. YEAH, FROM THE STANDARD OF A CONTAINER, ASSUMING THAT IT'S THE CONCRETE PAD THAT IT WOULD SIT ON IS AT GROUND LEVEL, 10 FEET UP.

YEAH. IF THERE'S AUDIENCE, WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON, WE DID A SOLAR ORDINANCE WHICH Y'ALL ARE DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW FOR 3 YEARS. YEP. SO NOW WE'RE WORKING ON THE BATTERY STORAGE BECAUSE THAT'S PROBABLY THE NEXT WAVE THAT'S COMING TO SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET AHEAD. AND I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT THE SOLAR, WE WERE A LITTLE BIT CAUGHT OFF GUARD. UM, BUT IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT OUR, OUR SOLAR ORDINANCE IS FAIRLY RESTRICTIVE. UM, TO TOTAL DEVELOPABLE LAND, LAND IN THE COUNTY, I THINK WE HAVE ONE OF THE MOST RESTRICTIVE ORDINANCES IN VIRGINIA. IS THAT SAFE TO SAY, CHAIRMAN? I'M SAYING SO BECAUSE WE, WELL, OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INSTRUCTS US TO PROTECT OPEN SPACE, FOREST LAND, BECAUSE WE ARE A RURAL AGRICULTURAL COUNTY. YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S, THAT'S OUR COMPREHENSIVE TENANT PLAN. WE HAD TO FOLLOW THAT VISION. SO WHATEVER WE HAD TO DO TO PROTECT THE OPEN SPACE, IT'S PROBABLY KIND OF LIMITING SOME OF THESE OTHER TYPES OF INDUSTRIES. A LOT OF THIS ORDINANCE MIRRORS THE SOLAR PANEL, SO THERE'S A LOT OF SIMILARITIES. I JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN KIND OF WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH.

SURE. UM, WHERE WOULD THESE BATTERY FACILITIES BE LOCATED? NO IDEA. NO IDEA. HAVE NOT HAD AN APPLICATION YET. YOU CAN'T, THERE'S A LOT OF LEGAL THINGS THAT WE CANNOT RESTRICT. JUST A CERTAIN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S MUCH MORE COMPLICATED.

YOU CAN COME BY MY OFFICE AND I'LL GIVE YOU A FREE CONSULTATION OF, OF SOME OF THE SPECIFICS. BUT IT'S, IT'S COMPLICATED IS THE ANSWER.

ENTER THAT INTO THE RECORD, PLEASE. OKAY, SO THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAVE MR. TURNER, I'M GOING TO DIRECT THIS TO YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE OUR FIRE CHIEF,

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YES. WHICH THAT WAS GOOD TO SAY DO.

BUT MY PREVIOUS QUESTION WITH THE LAST ONE IS LIKE THE ANNUAL INSPECTIONS, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE OUR, WELL, NO, IT'S NOT. IT JUST DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T SAY THAT IT NEEDS THAT ANNUAL INSPECTION.

SO ARE WE GOING TO RELY ON THE STATE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE TO DO THOSE ANNUAL INSPECTIONS? BECAUSE Y'ALL DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE A MARSHAL'S OFFICE WITHIN THE COUNTY OR THE CITY OR ANYWHERE CLOSE TO US, CORRECT? FOR LIKE BUSINESS INSPECTIONS ON THE FIRE AND SAFETY SIDE? YES, WE DON'T. WE DON'T HAVE EVERYTHING. RELY ON THE STATE FIRE MARSHAL IF YOU HAVE TO.

OKAY, BUT YOU'RE REQUESTING THAT THEY HAVE AN ANNUAL INSPECTION THROUGH THE, WELL, MOST BUSINESSES HAVE AN ANNUAL FIRE INSPECTION, BUT THE STATE'S SO BIG THE MARSHALS DON'T GET AROUND ANNUALLY. IT MIGHT BE 3 YEARS, MIGHT BE 5 YEARS. OKAY, DO WE NEED TO PUT VERBIAGE IN THERE THAT WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO, TO HAVE AN ANNUAL FIRE INSPECTION? JUST SO, I KNOW THERE'S AN ANNUAL TRAINING. YEAH, THE ANNUAL TRAINING, ANNUAL TRAINING, THE VOLUNTEERS, THAT'S THE THING, BECAUSE YOU JUST DON'T GO THROW WATER ON THESE LIKE LITHIUM BATTERIES OR WHATEVER THEY'RE MADE OF, YOU KNOW. THERE'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING SPECIFIC TO PUT IT OUT.

BUT THEY COULD, THEY COULD COME BACK AND REVAMP OR ADD OR WHATEVER IN THAT FACILITY. AND I THINK THE, YEAH, INSPECTOR, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO BE ACCOUNTABLE, MAKE SURE IT'S UP TO CODE.

OKAY. NOW I HAVE A QUESTION.

WITH THESE EDITORIAL SUGGESTIONS THAT WE ARE MAKING, HOW WILL THEY BE TIMELY SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD OF PROVIDERS TO THE PACKAGE THAT WE'VE ALREADY SENT THEM? CAN YOU ASK THAT QUESTION AGAIN? WELL, WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE SOME CORRECTIONS ON THIS. YES, HOW CAN WE GET THIS TO THE, RIGHT, BUT A PARTRIDGE IN A PEAR TREE, AND I MEAN, WE'RE GETTING, I THINK IF WE, IF WE, DISCRETION OF THE INSPECTIONS IS THE DISCRETION OF THE BUILDING OFFICIALS. WE MAY GET BE SOME LEGAL PROBLEMS. DON'T GET SPECIFIC. OKAY, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO GO WITH WHAT WE HAD BEFORE AND NOT SIT HERE ALL NIGHT. YEAH, WE DON'T WANT TO DELAY IT. OKAY.

YEAH, BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME LEGAL PROBLEMS. YEAH, WE'RE GETTING TOO PICKY, I GUESS.

BUT WHEN Y'ALL HAVE IT AT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING, YOU CAN MAKE SOME CHANGES THAT NIGHT, CORRECT? THEY, I THINK THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY. YES.

YOU KNOW, BEFORE YOU VOTE ON IT, YOU CAN MAKE SOME.

YEAH, AS LONG AS WE'VE GOT EVERYTHING THAT I WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET IT TO EVERYBODY AND MAKE SURE THEY HAVE TIME TO READ IT. UM, THAT WAS THE BASIS OF MY, MY QUESTION, BEING THAT WE BROUGHT THESE THINGS UP AND YOU GOT, WE BASICALLY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU GUYS, AND THEN YOU GUYS MAKE THE FINAL IRONING OUT OF WHAT'S DRESSED OUT. WELL, ACTUALLY, MOST OF THE IRONING OUT TURNS COMES FROM HERE.

WELL, OKAY. AND REMEMBER ALSO AS WE GO FORWARD, BECAUSE LIKE I SAY, WE DON'T HAVE AN APPLICATION YET. UH, MAY HAVE ONE NEXT MEETING, I DON'T KNOW. BUT WE CAN ALWAYS MAKE AMENDMENTS. IT GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS. SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING. IT REALLY COMES FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

SO THAT'S, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO, TO NOT JEOPARDIZE THE SCHEDULING, I THINK, I THINK ALL OF YOU ALL DONE A FANTASTIC JOB GETTING TO THIS POINT. SO MAYBE, LIKE I SAID, JUST DON'T GET, YEAH. AND THEN IF WE NEED TO MAKE AMENDMENTS OR ADJUSTMENTS LATER ON, OH, WE'LL GO THROUGH YOUR PROCESS AGAIN.

OKAY. ANOTHER AGREEABLE WITH EVERYONE LISTED HERE.

SO, OKAY.

AT THE LAST MEETING, I TOLD EVERYBODY, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE PLENTY OF TIME WHEN YOU SIT DOWN TO THIS, READ IT, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PUT IT DOWN.

YEAH, RIGHT. OKAY, IS THERE ANY, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE BATTERY STORAGE ORDINANCE? WE'D LIKE TO SEE, IF YOU WOULD, AS MANY OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION COME TO THE MEETING. GENTLEMEN AND YOUNG LADY. AND OUR YOUNG LADY.

YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IF NOT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS. DO WE NEED TO, OH, I'M SORRY. SEND THIS.

APPROVE THE FINAL DRAFT.

WELL, YES, WE DO. CORRECT,

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UM, HE'S REVIEWED IT ACTUALLY TWICE, AND I'VE ALREADY INCLUDED, INCORPORATED HIS REVISIONS IN, IN PREVIOUS VERSIONS OF THE ORDINANCE. SO HE HAS LOOKED AT IT, AND WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF CONVERSATIONS EVEN BEFORE THIS VERSION. APPROVE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT HAD A FINAL REVIEW YET? YES. NOT, YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THAT. I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO SAY IT. WELL, WE ALWAYS LEAVE THE MEETING OPEN AND APPROVE IT AFTER HE DECIDES HE'S GOT TIME TO FINISH REVIEWING IT. MR. PRINCE, WHAT, HAVE YOU HAD ANY CONTACT SINCE HE RECEIVED IT? I HAVE NOT. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING FROM HIM. NO. WHAT PEOPLE IS THAT, MICHAEL? I WAS WONDERING IF HE HAD SPOTTED ANYTHING.

ANY, WAS ANYTHING, I THOUGHT HE HAD RETURNED IT WITH SOME CORRECTIONS.

CORRECT. YES. I MEAN, WE'VE, BOARD MEETING. YES, AND WE HAVE REVIEWED IT PRETTY EXTENSIVELY.

YOU KNOW, WE HAD A VERY LENGTHY PHONE CALL. HE WAS MAKING REVISIONS WHILE I'M ON THE CALL. IS THE ONE IN OUR PACKET, IS THAT THE ONE HE REVIEWED? YES. SO THE CORRECTIONS ALREADY BEEN MADE? YES, YES, CORRECT.

HIS CORRECTIONS ALREADY BEEN MADE. YEAH, SO WE'RE GOOD. AND HE WAS FINE.

BUT THE ONLY THING I HAVE, I WAS WORKING WITH HIM ON, ON THIS VERSION HERE. THE FIRST VERSION I WAS WORKING ON ACTUAL VERBIAGE THE SECOND VERSION, OR SECOND TIME WE HAD CONVERSATION, I WAS WORKING ON FORMATTING TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING WAS FORMATTED CORRECTLY. AND SO BEFORE I EVEN BROUGHT IT TO OUR MAY 21ST MEETING, SO I'VE HAD 2 CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM AND HE SAID HE'S GENERALLY OKAY WITH EVERYTHING. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. THAT'S JUST, THAT'S GREAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

YES, HE IS. HE IS GENERALLY OKAY WITH THE FORMATTING AND, AND THE VERBIAGE AND EVERYTHING THAT'S PRESENTED. I'M BEING GENERALLY OKAY BECAUSE THERE'S NOT BEEN A FINAL REVIEW. I MEAN LET'S GET TO CLARIFY. HAS IT, IS HE SATISFIED, READY TO GO TO THE BOARD? SO HE'S APPROVED THIS AND YOU HAVE AN EMAIL THAT HE'S APPROVED THIS DOCUMENT? I DON'T HAVE AN EMAIL. THAT'S PHONE CONVERSATION WE HAD. HE SAID THAT'S I DON'T HAVE EMAIL SAYING IT TO BACK UP THAT CONFIRMATION, CORRECT? THAT IS PHONE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD. I SAID I FINISHED ALL THE CORRECTIONS, I SENT IT TO HIM, HE SAID I'M FINE WITH IT AFTER YOU MAKE THESE CORRECTIONS, I'M FINE WITH IT. COULD YOU, COULD YOU JUST REQUEST AN EMAIL AND FORWARD IT TO ALL THE COMMISSION? I CAN.

AND WE COULD, I GUESS, CONDITIONALLY APPROVE IT UPON HIS, IF NO CHANGE IS MADE.

YEAH, OKAY, BECAUSE WE MADE CHANGES LAST TIME. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, DR. HILL, THAT YOU CARRY IT TO YOUR MEETING THAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY HAS APPROVED IT. THERE'S NO QUESTIONS ASKED, NO, NO DISCREPANCIES. I'VE HEARD VIA THE GRAPEVINE THAT VDOT'S GOING TO BE THERE AND WANTED TO MAKE SOME SUGGESTIONS. UH, I'M NOT SURE IF ANY VDOT SUGGESTIONS WOULD BE IN OUR FAVOR OR NOT, BUT THE FACT THAT THEY WANT TO COME AND LOOK AT THIS PROBABLY MEANS THAT WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD ORDINANCE. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE I ASK FOR A MOTION? EXCUSE ME, DOMINION.

DOMINION. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I'M, I'M WARNING THEY, WE'RE MAKING A MOTION AND WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON IT BASED ON THE APPROVAL OF THE ATTORNEY. WE DON'T GET THAT. DO WE, DO WE NEED TO LEAVE THIS MEETING OPEN SO THAT WE'RE CROSSING OUR T'S AND DOTTING OUR I'S? WELL, I, I MEAN, WE CAN MAKE THE MOTION TONIGHT, BUT I THINK WE'RE ON A TIMELINE. I REALIZE THAT.

IT JUST MAKES ME UNEASY, YOU KNOW. I MEAN, I, I JUST, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE DON'T HAVE THIS APPROVED. I MEAN, IT JUST, IT'S CONCERNING TO ME.

IT PUTS US IN A BAD SPOT. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND OUR NAME'S ON IT. IT IS. AND WE JUST WANT TO KNOW, GET APPROVAL THAT THIS PASSES MUSTER. AND YOU WANT TO EMAIL? I'M GOING TO EMAIL.

JUST SOMETHING THAT SAYS THAT I HAVE REVIEWED THIS DOCUMENT BECAUSE WE MAY CHANGE IT. HE, HE MADE HIS APPROVAL, HIS APPROVAL OR HIS CHANGES, HIS AMENDMENTS AND THEN WE CHANGED SOME OF THOSE AMENDMENTS. WE MADE MODIFICATIONS TO THE DOCUMENT. AND WHEN WE HAD RICHARD UP HERE RICHARD, IS THIS GOOD? THUMBS UP, MAKES ME FEEL GOOD. AND IT'S IN THE MINUTES BECAUSE IT'S NOT MY JOB TO REVIEW THIS. NOW, I HAVE, BUT IT IS NOT MY JOB TO GO OVER THIS DOCUMENT. AND IF Y'ALL ASK ME TO DO IT, I'LL DO ANYTHING Y'ALL ASK,

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SO I WOULD ASK THAT WE WOULD FOLLOW THAT. I MEAN, IT JUST MAKES ME UNEASY. I THINK THAT'S WHAT MR. MANN IS SAYING, THE SAME, SAME THING IN A DIFFERENT WAY. WELL, WHAT MY FEELING IS, AND, AND I, AND I OWED IT ANYBODY ON THE FLOOR THAT IF WE LEAVE THE MEETING OPEN, WE'LL VOTE LATER.

I STILL THINK WE'RE ON TIMELINES, SO THEY CAN, THEY CAN GET IT AT THEIR, THEY'LL GET IT AT THEIR JUNE MEETING, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OF WEEKS THAT WE COULD, WE'D HAVE TO MEET AGAIN TO TAKE THAT VOTE. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING, MR. MATHIS? I'M, I'M LIKE MR. RANDALL. I'D LIKE TO SEE AN EMAIL FROM THE ATTORNEY BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S MR. PRINCE SAYING A VERBAL CONVERSATION. YOU KNOW, GOD FORBID IF MR. PRINCE HAS A WRECK GOING HOME TONIGHT WE HAVE NOTHING TO HANG OUR HAT ON FROM OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY BECAUSE MANY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SUED OVER A VERBAL CONVERSATION, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. AND WHEN RICHARD RAYLER WAS HERE AT THE MEETING, WHEN HE SAID SOMETHING, RIGHT, IT'S OKAY, IT'S IN THE MINUTES, IT'S OFFICIAL, IT'S RECORDED. WE HAVE NO TYPE OF DOCUMENTATION PRESENTATION FROM OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, AND IT'S VERY CONCERNING. SEND THE CORRECTION OUT TO EVERY BOARD MEMBER IMMEDIATELY.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND SEND IT TO GREGORY. I'LL CALL HIM TOMORROW AND TELL HIM WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS EVALUATED AND READY FOR THE MEETING, AND LET'S MOVE WITH IT. AND I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM IF WE WOULD GIVE OUR APPROVAL BY EMAIL TO FORWARD IT TO THE BOARD ONCE WE GET THE FINAL DRAFT, OR IF THIS IS THE FINAL DRAFT.

DOES ANYBODY FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? IS THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE EASIEST. IS THAT, I MEAN, IS THAT ALLOWABLE? I MEAN, IS IT LEGAL JUST FOR A REFERRAL? I MEAN, IF WE WERE ENACTING THE STATUTE, THE ANSWER WOULD BE NO, BUT JUST REFERRING, REFERRING THE DOCUMENT TO THE BOARD, I THINK, IS SUFFICIENT. BECAUSE WE'RE JUST, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A WORKSHOP THAT WE'RE JUST SENDING A DOCUMENT FOR THEIR REVIEW. I'M THANKING YOU ALL FOR THIS LONG CONVERSATION THAT'S ANSWERING MY INITIAL QUESTION. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WELL, I'M DOING THE BEST I CAN.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT VOTING BY EMAIL. WE CAN'T DO THAT. I THINK WE CAN FOR MINISTERIAL MATTERS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT, ALL WE'RE DOING IS SENDING A DRAFT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

WELL, DOES EVERYBODY AGREE WITH THE DRAFT THAT WE'VE SAID TONIGHT? THEN WE HAVE SAID OKAY. WE'RE KICKING A HORSE AROUND HERE AND WE'RE TRYING, WE'RE TRYING TO MICROMANAGE STUFF THAT WE CAN'T DO.

BUT WE GET IT, GET SOMETHING. I DISAGREE. HOW AM I MICROMANAGING WHEN WE, WE ASKED THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO DO A SIMPLE MINISTERIAL TASK IN WHAT, HOW LONG? HE HAS DONE IT. HE DID REVIEW IT. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO TELL YOU.

HE DID REVIEW IT. THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M HEARING, DR. EDWARDS.

NO, HE REVIEWED IT. HE REVIEWED IT. HE DID REVIEW IT AND HE MADE SOME MINOR CHANGES. ALL RIGHT. BUT THEY REFLECTED IN THE ONES THAT WE HAD TONIGHT.

RIGHT. CORRECT. YES.

BUT WE MADE CHANGES AT OUR, AT OUR CALLED MEETING AND THAT HAS NOT BEEN, THAT HAS NOT BEEN, THE FINAL DOCUMENT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED. CORRECT. I HAVE NOT HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH HIM SINCE THE CALL MEETING. THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. I'M TALKING ABOUT STEP 2, NOT STEP 1. BUT THOSE REVISIONS THAT I NEEDED TO MAKE WERE VERY MINOR. YOU KNOW, THERE'S, IT WAS PUNCTUATIONS AND FORMATTING GET MY, JUST THE FORMATTING OF THE VERBIAGE. WE REALLY DIDN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES TO A LOT OF THE VERBIAGE THAT WOULD HAVE CHANGED THE OVERALL CONTEXT OF THE ORDINANCE.

BUT THE REQUEST WAS MADE FOR HIM TO LOOK AT OUR CHANGES AND TO GIVE APPROVAL, CORRECT, MR. PRINCE? AND THAT HAS NOT BEEN DONE, CORRECT? OKAY, HE HAS NOT SUBMITTED AN EMAIL TO THAT EFFECT, NO. ALL RIGHT, MR. GREGORY CONTACT DR.

EDWARDS AT ALL ABOUT THIS? DOCUMENT? EXCUSE ME, DID MR. GREGORY CONTACT YOU AT ALL ABOUT THIS DOCUMENT AND WHETHER HE, YES, WE GOT, WE GOT THE DOCUMENT THAT THE BOARD GOT TO TAKE HOME WITH SOME VERY MINIMAL CHANGES THAT HE MADE, RIGHT? AND HE COMMUNICATED THAT TO YOU BY EMAIL OR BY PHONE? UM, WHAT I'M SEEKING IS A

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OKAY. AND SAID GO WITH IT.

OKAY, THERE WASN'T ANYTHING ON THERE THAT HE SAID, OH, IT'S A RED FLAG, LET'S DON'T DO IT. SO I THINK MAYBE HERE WE'RE MAKING MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING. I THINK, I THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING AND REQUESTING THAT WE HAVE A DOCUMENTED AUDIT TRAIL ON WHAT WAS DONE HERE IN A CERTAIN, IN A WRITTEN CERTIFICATION THAT WILL END OUR DISCUSSION, CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT, THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE ALL MY CONCERNS, CORRECT? AND I'M NOT, AND AS ATTORNEY, GIVEN THE OPINION, HE SHOULD HAVE SOME DOCUMENT THAT HE'S GIVEN TO US SAYING THAT I BLESS THIS DOCUMENT. WELL, I'M GOING TO SAY THIS SO WE MOVE ALONG, BUT I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS. I TRUST MR. PRINCE.

IF HE'S SPOKEN TO YOU AND SAID EVERYTHING WAS OKAY, I KNOW I CAN TRUST YOU. DR.

AILES, HE'S TALKED, YOU TALKED TO HIM ON THE PHONE OR EMAIL OR WHATEVER AT THE MEETING. I TRUST YOU.

UH, I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD MISREPRESENT US. SO, BUT TO SATISFY MR. RANDALL, MR. URQUHART, AND OTHERS I WOULD STILL REQUEST SOME TYPE OF CERTIFICATION, BUT I AGREE. I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD. WE'VE ALREADY HAD A SPECIAL MEETING FOR THIS PURPOSE. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THIS GO BEFORE THE BOARD AT THEIR NEXT MEETING AS IT'S BEEN SCHEDULED.

SO I'M GOING TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION, OR I'LL ASK SOMEONE FOR A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT OR THAT WE APPROVE IT AS PRESENTED, AND I HOPE THAT'LL PASS. IF YOU DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE, PLEASE VOTE NO, AND WE'LL SEE WHERE WE GET WITH THIS. UM, BUT I GOT FAITH IN THESE 2 INDIVIDUALS THAT I DON'T SEE ANY, ANY REASON THEY WOULD MISLEAD US. UH, A MAN'S WORD SHOULD BE, SHOULD BE GOOD, BUT WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE CONFIRMATION.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S BEING CHALLENGED AT ALL. THE WAY IT'S FRAMED, I DON'T THINK, OKAY, I'LL GIVE HIM A CALL FIRST THING. BUT IF WE APPROVE THIS DOCUMENT, IT GOES TO THE BOARD AND THEY CHANGE IT AT THE BOARD, THEN BASICALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE IS JUST POSTPONE SOMETHING THEY CAN CHANGE ANYWAY, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE CORRECT, THEY HAVE THE ULTIMATE SAY TO APPROVE IT, TO MAKE IT AS AN OFFICIAL ORDINANCE. SO, AND IF, YES, SIR, IF IT'S GOING TO PROVE IT THIS WAY, AND IT WAS MENTIONED BEFORE EARLIER THAT, SO IF WE APPROVE THIS DOCUMENT, YES, SIR, PENDING THE CERTIFICATION FROM THE ATTORNEY TOMORROW OR THE NEXT DAY, WOULD THAT COVER IT? YES, SIR. YES, SIR. CORRECT.

THAT'S WHAT I SAID. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GOT THERE BECAUSE NOBODY WAS QUESTIONING DR.

EDWARDS OR RAGIN IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM. SO WE COULD SEND, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE MADE THAT, THAT STEP. AND THEN IF HE SAYS NO, WELL, THAT WOULD PULL IT BACK, RIGHT? OKAY, I'LL REACH OUT TO ERIC GREGORY FIRST THING IN THE MORNING, OR LIKE, SO, OKAY, THE ATTORNEY TO MAKE THAT MOTION. IT WASN'T A RUBBER STAMP. ALL RIGHT, ANY, ANYONE WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION? ARE WE COMFORTABLE? ARE YOU WANTING MORE DISCUSSION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THIS DRAFT SUBJECT TO MR. GREGORY'S APPROVAL BY EMAIL OR VERBAL TO CONFIRMATION. YEAH, MR. PRINCE OR DR. EDWARDS. OKAY, SECOND. HAVE A PROPER SECOND.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I DO APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS, BY THE WAY, BUT WE NEED TO GET TO THIS POINT. ALL RIGHT, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE. I'M GOING TO DO A ROLL CALL VOTE. MS. ALLSTON? AYE. MR. TURNER? AYE. MR. GLOVER? AYE. DR.

EVANS? AYE. MR. URQUHART? NAY FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK.

ONE NAY? OKAY. MR. MANN? AYE.

AND MR. DRAKE IS AYE. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE IT.

LIKE I SAID IF YOU GET, IF YOU CAN DR. ED'S REQUESTED THAT WE COME TO THEIR MEETING. WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR MEETING NIGHT? IT'S ON

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OKAY, BECAUSE YOU SHOULD BE, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF WORK WENT INTO THIS. YES.

ARE WE ALL ALLOWED TO SIT SIDE BY SIDE ON THE FIRST ROW? JUST 2 OF US. 2 BY 2. YEAH, 2 BY 2.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT, SO WE'LL GO

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UH, WE SAY WE DISCUSS THIS A LITTLE BIT. THIS WILL BE THE SOLAR PROJECT OUT ON HIGHWAY 35. UM, SO THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A MEETING AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER LAST EVENING.

UH, OF COURSE, IT, IT JUST SO HAPPENED WE HAD A DOWNPOUR ABOUT THE TIME IT STARTED UP.

MAY HAVE DISCOURAGED A FEW PEOPLE FROM COMING, BUT THEY'RE ALL GOING TO RESCHEDULE, CORRECT? THEY'RE GOING TO, THAT'S RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER COMMUNITY MEETING.

UH, YES, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS PARTICULAR MEETING AGAIN WAS FOR THE SHARED SOLAR PROJECT ON MAHERON. AND WHAT THEY DID IS THEY WERE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING, I MEAN, WITH THE ORDINANCE IN TERMS OF MAILING. THEY, FIRST OF ALL, THEY HAD TO FIND THE ADDRESSES AND SEND NOTICES TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE PROPERTY. AND THEN THEY ALSO DID A MAILING OF PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WERE WITHIN A 1-MILE RADIUS OF THE PROJECT. I KNOW THEY WERE DOING THAT. THEY WERE PRETTY SUCCESSFUL WITH THAT BECAUSE THAT'S RECEIVED SEVERAL PHONE CALLS FROM PEOPLE OUT OF STATE THAT OWN PROPERTY IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY WITHIN THAT 1-MILE RADIUS. SO I WAS GETTING CALLS FROM THOSE PEOPLE TELLING US WE RECEIVED THE LETTERS. HOWEVER BECAUSE WE'RE OUT OF STATE, WE CAN'T MAKE IT TO THIS PARTICULAR MEETING THAT WAS LAST NIGHT. SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS READVERTISE THE SAME MEETING OR HAVE THEM RE-ADVERTISE THE SAME MEETING WITH IT BEING POSTED IN THE TIDEWATER NEWS TO GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE TO COME TO ANOTHER MEETING AT THE SAME LOCATION, PROBABLY AROUND THE SAME TIME, 7:30, AT THE CORTLAND COMMUNITY CENTER. AND SO, LIKE, IT'S ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED ABOUT THE PROJECT AND HOW THEY CAME TO BE AT THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION.

UM, WHAT DR. EDWARDS SAID EARLIER, THAT THEY DID SOME KIND OF ANALYSIS OF THE GRID ANALYSIS OF OPEN SPACE THAT WAS SUITABLE FOR THIS PROJECT. THEY ALSO LOOKED AT THE UTILITY-SCALE ORDINANCE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, AND THEY TRIED TO MIMIC THIS, THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS PROJECT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S SMALLER THAN A UTILITY-SCALE SOLAR PROJECT.

THEY WANTED TO FOLLOW THE RULES, FOLLOW THE ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN FOR THE UTILITY-SCALE SOLAR PROJECTS, WHICH IS MUCH LARGER. SO THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A MUCH SMALLER PROJECT, SO, BUT THEY USE THE UTILITY SCALE ORDINANCE AS A MODEL FOR COMPLYING WITH THE COUNTY'S ORDINANCE.

UM, MR. PRINCE, COULD WE, EXCUSE ME, ALSO, WE DON'T WANT SOME LITTLE DINKY LITTLE THING DOWN IN THE CORNER. WE, WE NEED TO MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS OF HOW BIG WE WANT, AT LEAST A QUARTER OF A PAGE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE IT. OH, OKAY. NOT ENDING UP LIKE THE PLANNING COMMISSION STUFF ISN'T IN THE FINE PRINT. OH YEAH, I GOT YOU. I TALKED WITH THEM ABOUT THAT LAST NIGHT. THEY WERE AGREEABLE TO THAT. SO WHICH ONE? SAY THAT AGAIN.

OH, THEY'RE AGREEABLE TO THE, THAT THE ADVERTISEMENT, OH, THE ADVERTISING. YES, YES.

OKAY. THEY WANTED SUCH MUCH LARGER, A HALF-PAGE YEAH, IS THAT FULL PAGE? YOU PROBABLY WON'T PUBLISH. YEAH, WELL, NEVERTHELESS, YES, I UNDERSTAND. YEAH, SOMETHING THAT'S VISIBLE TO EVERYBODY, CORRECT. BUT AGAIN, THEY WILL ALSO RECEIVE A CERTIFIED LETTER TO ALL THOSE PERSONS

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THAT'S WHAT WAS TOLD TO ME AS WELL AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING LAST NIGHT. AND IT'S AVAILABLE TO THOSE PERSONS WITHIN THE DOMINION AREA. IF YOU RECEIVE A DOMINION BILL YOU'RE ELIGIBLE FOR THIS PROGRAM. AND IT'S FOR THE LIFE OF, YOU'LL GET THAT DISCOUNT FOR THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT.

IF THE PROJECT'S GOING TO BE THERE FOR 20 YEARS, YOU'LL GET THAT DISCOUNT FOR 20 YEARS. I KNOW IT MAY NOT BE MUCH, BUT THAT'S THE WAY THE PROGRAM IS. IS ACTUALLY IN PLACE. UM, AND THAT'S PRIMARILY HOW THEY'RE TRYING TO LOCALIZE THE PROJECT SAVINGS TO SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY RESIDENTS. UH SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THEY, THAT'S THE TARGET AREA THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO FOCUS ON, TRYING TO GET PEOPLE THE DISCOUNTS FOR THOSE PERSONS WHO HAD DOMINION. UH, LET'S SEE. UH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. PRETTY MUCH COVERED THE BASES. YEAH.

OKAY. UM, WE, WE HAVE THE, WE HAVE THESE RIGHT HERE. I CAN GIVE YOU ONE OF THESE IF YOU WANT. IF THIS IS A SLIDE OF THE PROJECT, JUST BE TRANSPARENT IF YOU WOULD LIKE ONE. AND, AND JUST SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE SEEING UP HERE, I'M GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT TO THE ONES THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER BY THE PROJECT, JUST, JUST FOR INFORMATION PURPOSES. WE, THE COUNTY REQUIRES THE COMMUNITY MEETING. IT'S, IT'S FOR INFORMATION. SO, AND, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE AS MANY OF YOUR NEIGHBORS TO, TO LEARN ABOUT IT. I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE, THAT'S WHY I WENT LAST NIGHT, BECAUSE I'M STILL LEARNING. I KNOW YOU MAY HAVE AN OPINION, AND I RESPECT THAT. I RESPECT YOUR OPINION, BUT THAT'S NOT THE PLACE TO GO TO SHARE WHETHER YOU'RE CONCERNED. GO TO BE EDUCATED, THEN COME HERE OR TO THE BOARD MEETING LATER.

THAT, THAT'S WHEN YOU, WE SHARE YOUR CONCERN, BECAUSE THEY ARE GOOD ENOUGH TO COME. IT'S A BUSINESS.

THEY'RE TRYING TO FIND A PLACE. IS IT RIGHT OR WRONG? WELL, THE PEOPLE WILL DECIDE THAT, OKAY? WE ALL WILL DECIDE THAT. SO I, I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T GO THERE TO SO-CALLED PUT UP A BLOCK.

JUST GO AND ASK THE QUESTIONS.

AND I THOUGHT THEY WERE VERY CORDIAL. MY IMPRESSION LAST NIGHT, THEY WERE VERY CORDIAL.

BUT WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR IMMEDIATE CONCERNS AND YOUR NEIGHBORS AND YOUR FRIENDS, THIS IS THE PLACE. AND WE'LL STAY HERE ALL NIGHT IF WE NEED TO. WE'LL HEAR EVERYBODY THAT HAS A CONCERN, I PROMISE YOU.

SO JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT. SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD PLAN TO HAVE THE COMMUNITY MEETING, THE ONES THAT WILL BE DIRECTLY IN YOUR YARD OR ACROSS THE ROAD OR WHATEVER.

SO THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU YOUR PLACE TO GO GET MORE INFORMATION.

SO, BUT ANYWAY, WE APPRECIATE, YEAH Y'ALL BEING HERE AND APPRECIATE LISTENING TO YOUR CONCERNS. YES, SIR.

YES, SIR. UM, JUST WHEN THEY COME BACK AND WHATEVER DATE IS GOING TO BE, I ASK THAT THEY GIVE A PRESENTATION, NOT JUST LIKE, I'M GOING TO COME TALK TO YOU I COME TALK TO YOU.

GIVE US A PRESENTATION. GIVE THE COMMUNITIES A PRESENTATION OF WHAT IT IS THAT YOU WANT TO DO. WANT TO HEAR FROM ONE OF HOW MANY PEOPLE GOING TO PRESENT, RIGHT? AND FOR THE PROJECT FROM BEGINNING TO END, IT GIVES US TIME. YOU KNOW, GIVES US OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE NOTES, RIGHT? LIKE YOU SAID, BUT GOING AROUND, I'M GOING TO GO TALK TO THIS YOUNG LADY HERE, AND I'LL COME AROUND AND HOLD THE POST UP, AND I'LL GO TALK TO YOU. YOU GIVE ME A SLIDE, SIR. GIVE ME, YOU'RE GOING TO TALK FROM THE PRINTS THAT YOU HAVE.

WELL, THIS PRINT IS SAYING THIS RIGHT HERE, AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT IT MEANS, AND THIS IS WHAT IT IS, YOU KNOW. SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S MY ASK. THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT, SIR. YES, SIR.

OKAY, RIGHT. UM, LAST NIGHT THEY WERE BASICALLY SET UP TO DO THAT, BUT BEING THAT ATTENDANCE WAS SO SMALL, THAT'S HOW WE WIND UP IN BREAKOUT GROUPS AND TABLE

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BUT I, I AGREE WITH THE GENTLEMAN HERE. MR. ARIKARA, I REMEMBER THE FIRST ONE I WENT TO. I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO ASK. I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT QUESTIONS TO ASK. I WANTED TO HEAR IT. WELL, I HAD TO HEAR OTHER PEOPLE TALKING.

AND OF COURSE, SEVERAL OF US, WE VISITED ADJOINING COUNTIES.

WE ACTUALLY WENT TO NORTH CAROLINA. WE DID A LOT OF HOMEWORK TO FORMULATE OUR ORDER.

BUT I'LL BE HONEST, I DIDN'T KNOW, IT WAS SO NEW TO ME, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO ASK. SO I APPRECIATE THAT POINT. AND WE'LL CERTAINLY INQUIRE TO SEE IF WE CAN HAVE A PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENT.

COMPANIES FROM CALIFORNIA.

SOME OF THE REPS THERE, ONE FROM CALIFORNIA, ONE FROM MICHIGAN, AND ONE FROM NEW JERSEY. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. I TRIED TO, NO, I WAS JUST TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROJECT. JUST LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN. UM I TRIED TO, I MEAN, WELL, IN MY DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM, I MADE SURE THAT THEY MAXIMIZED THE BUFFER AROUND THE PERIMETER WITH A COMBINATION OF LANDSCAPING AND ALSO GIVEN THE OPTION TO PUT UP A FENCE IF THEY WANT TO PUT UP A FENCE, IF THAT HELPED WITH IMMEDIATE VISIBILITY ISSUES.

UNTIL THE TREES MATURE, TO THE SHRUBBERY MATURES, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. UM, SO I LOOKED AT THAT AS WELL. UM, THE, THE INVERTERS IN THE, I MADE SURE THEY PUT THOSE IN THE CENTER, FAR AWAY FROM ANY HOMES. UH, THEY DIDN'T PUT THE DISTANCE, THE NEXT VERSION OF THIS MAP THAT I'M LOOKING AT HERE, THEY WILL HAVE THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE INVERTER AND THE DISTANCE FROM THE, BETWEEN THE INVERTER AND THE HOMES. SO YOU CAN SEE THE DISTANCE THERE VERSUS JUST SEEING IT ON THE MAP. UM, AND THAT, AND THEN ALSO WE'LL BE DOING NOISE, NOISE STUDIES FOR THIS PROJECT AS WELL. SO TO MAKE SURE THERE'S A PRE-DESIGN OR PRE-CONSTRUCTION AND POST-CONSTRUCTION NOISE STUDIES. THAT'S ALSO GOING TO BE A REQUIREMENT. SO TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS ARE NOT IMPACTED BY ANY NOISE, AND THEN OF COURSE THE VISIBILITY ASPECT OF IT. AND OF COURSE YOU TALK ABOUT THE GOATS OR THE SHEEP AND THEY WANTED TO USE THAT OPTION AGAIN TO HELP WITH NOISE BECAUSE THE OTHER SOLAR PROJECT HAS A CONTRACT TO HAVE IT ALL MECHANIZED, HAVE MOWERS. YOU GOT A LOT OF ZERO-TURNS BUZZING ALL THROUGH THERE AND THE NOISE, AND THEY START EARLY IN THE MORNING. SO THEY DIDN'T WANT TO IMPACT YOU GUYS WITH NOISE. THAT'S WHY THEY, ANOTHER REASON WHY THEY ELECTED TO DO THE GOATS OR SHEEP OR WHAT HAVE YOU. THEY DON'T MAKE ANY NOISE AT ALL. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH A DEVELOPER UP TO THIS POINT. SO, MR. PRINCE NOT, NOT FOR THE COMMUNITY MEETING, BUT IF IT JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE PREP TIME, IF WHEN THE APPLICATION COMES FORWARD AND YOU'RE PREPARING IT TO BRING IT TO US I WOULD LIKE, I'M GOING TO REQUEST AND THIS KIND OF FOLLOWS ON ONE OF THE PREVIOUS DIRECTORS MISS LEWIS. SHE PROVIDED A MAP OF THE 1-MILE RADIUS. YES.

FROM A, FROM A COMMUNITY'S A TOWNSHIP OR COMMUNITY OR WHATEVER. UM, YEAH, THE 1-MILE RADIUS, INCORPORATED OR NON-INCORPORATED, BUT THE TOWNSHIP. CORRECT. AND THEN THE 5-MILE RADIUS SHADED AREA, RIGHT, FOR THE NEAREST, WHICH, WHICH WOULD BE THE NEWSOM'S BOYKINS PROJECT.

THAT'S THE ONLY OTHER PROJECT THAT WE HAVE, BUT SHE INCLUDED THAT IN THE PACKET BEFORE. AND OF COURSE I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP A RUNNING TALLY OF THE, OF THE 1% OF THE ACRES THAT REMAINS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I ASKED LAST NIGHT. IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE CONFINED TO THE FIELD, WHICH THAT WOULD BE ALL OPEN ACRES. AND THAT WAY WE WILL KNOW WHAT WE GOT LEFT.

AND I JUST THINK WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO, THAT NEEDS TO BE RECORDED AS WE GO FORWARD SO WE

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ALSO I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL REMEMBER OR NOT FOR THE ONES THAT WERE ON THIS BOARD SOME HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN, MR. MANN? 6, 7, 8 YEARS AGO? WAS IT 5TH? THAT WAS PROBABLY LONGER THAN THAT. IT WAS '15 OR '16, RIGHT? 2015, '16. AND 10 YEARS PROBABLY.

UH, MS. LEWIS PROVIDED SOIL MAPPING, THE SOIL CLASSIFICATION FOR ALL THOSE PODS, THE PODS BEING THOSE INDIVIDUAL SITES.

AND THAT'S HOW WE CAME UP WITH THE PRIME FARMLAND BEING AFFECTED. NOW, THAT'S ALL AVAILABLE AT THE FSA OFFICE.

AND I THINK SINCE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S NOT GOING TO COME ACROSS OUR DESK VERY OFTEN, BUT SINCE WE STARTED THIS, I THINK WE SHOULD FOLLOW, I PERSONALLY THINK WE SHOULD FOLLOW SUIT. IT'S A LITTLE LEGWORK ON YOUR PART, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO MAKE A CONSCIOUS DECISION AS WE GO FORWARD. AND THE ONLY, THE ONLY OTHER THING I'M GOING TO REQUEST, AND I, I ACTUALLY DROVE BY Y'ALL'S PROPERTY BEFORE I WENT TO THE MEETING YESTERDAY EVENING, BEFORE THE RAIN, RIGHT AHEAD OF THE RAIN COMING. UM, I THINK THERE'S A GRAVITY SEWER LINE.

DOESN'T THAT SEWER LINE GO TO THE HIGH SCHOOL? ISN'T THERE A GRAVITY LINE, UTILITY LINE FROM THE COUNTY THAT GOES TO THE HIGH SCHOOL? I'M NOT SURE.

AND THAT, THAT, THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT COULD BE USED FOR FUTURE RESIDENTIAL USE.

IF, IF I'M JUST SAYING, WE DON'T, WE DON'T SEE, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED IN NEWSLAMS. I ARGUED THAT THING YEARS AGO ABOUT THE NEWSLAMS. BOY, THEY PUT IT RIGHT DOWN THE SEWER LINE THAT GOES FROM NEWSLAMS TO, AND THEY RESTRICTED ALL THAT POTENTIAL GROWTH. BELIEVE ME, I LIKE THE FARMLAND BETTER, BUT A LOT OF THAT DISRUPTED ANY KIND OF BUSINESS BEING BUILT THERE OR DEVELOPED THAT WOULD WE PUT ALL THESE UTILITIES IN, IT'S LIKE WE'RE PUTTING THEM IN THE WRONG PLACE IF WE'RE GOING TO NOT RESERVE IT FOR, FOR THE BETTER USE. THAT'S WHAT OUR, THAT'S WHAT OUR JOB IS HERE, FOR THE BEST USE. IF IT'S NOT GOING TO BE OPEN SPACE, IT'S FOR THE BEST USE. BUT I I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE MAPPED, BUT I, I'M ALMOST SURE THAT SEWER LINE GOES DOWN 35 UNDER 58, GOES TO THAT HIGH SCHOOL, I THINK. ANYBODY, ANYBODY KNOW THAT FOR SURE? IT DOES. IT DOES? OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT CONFIRMATION. YES. SO THAT'S, SO IT GOES DOWN 35, DOESN'T IT? IT DOESN'T CROSS THE, THE PROPERTY AT ALL, DOES IT? IT JUST GOES DOWN. I THINK IT GOES DOWN 35. YEAH.

AND WE HAVEN'T GOT THE APPLICATION YET. THAT'S RIGHT, WE'RE GETTING AHEAD OF OURSELVES. I JUST DON'T WANT TO PREJUDGE THE APPLICATION BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE ILLEGAL, RIGHT? I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T, RIGHT? NO, NO, I HAVEN'T RECEIVED IT.

BUT IT'S, THINGS COME ACROSS MY MIND, I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP. WELL, I CAN GO BACK TOMORROW, CHECK GIS AND SEE IF IT'S IN THAT WHERE IT GOES. SO, BUT THAT'S ONLY WHEN THE APPLICATION COMES FORWARD, RIGHT? I WON'T BE THE PAYERS.

OKAY. SO YEP, ANYTHING ELSE? YES. OKAY SO THE CITIZENS MENTIONED THAT SOME PEOPLE WERE NOT NOTIFIED, CORRECT? AND NOW REAGAN'S SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEND OUT CERTIFIED LETTERS. WHO'S SENDING THOSE OUT? NO, I'M GOING TO MAKE SURE THEY SEND THEM OUT. THEY'RE GOING TO SEND THOSE, THEY'RE GOING TO USE THE SAME, THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO USE THE SAME MAILING LIST THEY HAD SENT, THEY HAD 192 PEOPLE ON THAT LIST. I, I DIDN'T STUDY IT TO SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE OR PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE THAT WERE IN-STATE, OUT-OF-STATE. YOU KNOW, I RECEIVED 4 OR 5 CALLS FROM PEOPLE OUT OF STATE TELLING ME THEY COULDN'T MAKE IT, BUT THEY WANTED NO MORE INFORMATION, AND I TOLD THEM ABOUT IT, AND I TOLD THEM THAT THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO ATTEND FUTURE MEETINGS.

UM, SO I INSTRUCTED THEM YESTERDAY, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I, I INSTRUCTED THEM YESTERDAY TO SEND CERTIFIED LETTERS TO EVERYBODY IN THAT SAME MAILING LIST. ALL RIGHT, SO GOING IN OUR ONGOING FUTURE STRATEGY.

IF YOU WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO GIVE YOU THE LIST OF EVERYBODY, NAMES AND ADDRESSES AND ALL THOSE PROPERTIES FIRMS THIS BIG CAN, THEY HAVE PEOPLE THAT CAN DO THAT. SO IF THEY'LL GIVE YOU THE LIST, THEN YOU CAN CHECK THAT LIST.

ONCE YOU CHECK THAT LIST, THEY PROVIDE YOU WITH THE STAMPED ADDRESSED ENVELOPES,

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YEAH, THEY, THEY'RE DOING THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY DOING THEIR JOB. IT'S OUR JOB TO PREVENT THEM FROM DOING IT. UM, AND I HAD A SECOND ITEM AND IT JUST COMPLETELY DISAPPEARED. YOU WERE SO POLITE THE WAY YOU SAID THAT. I GET THE UNDERTONE.

BUT IT'S FOR THEIR COMMUNITY MEETING, RIGHT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. SO FOR THEIR COMMUNITY MEETING, THEN I WOULD DO THE SAME THING FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE FOR THE COMMUNITY MEETING.

IT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. IT IS THEIRS BECAUSE THAT COST WOULD BE A LOT. YEAH, WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THEY'RE USED TO SEEING OR BEING TREATED THAT WAY. I'M TREATED THAT WAY EVERY TIME I DO A PROJECT IN CHESAPEAKE. THEY, I HAVE TO DO THAT, GET IT CHECKED, COMES BACK, THEN EMILY HAS TO PUT ALL THOSE OUR LETTERS TOGETHER OPEN. WE TAKE THOSE DOWN, TURN THEM IN, AND THEY HANDLE THE ACTUAL OUT.

UM, IT'S NOT THAT THEY DON'T TRUST ME, BUT I'M USED TO IT.

THEY'RE USED TO IT. WE'RE NOT BEING MEAN TO THEM. WELL, JUST, LET'S GO BACK FOR CLARIFICATION. UH, THE ORDINANCE, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE ORDINANCE DOES REQUIRE COMMUNITY MEETING, AND THE, AND THE DEVELOPER HANDLES THAT IN THE JURISDICTION OR SOMEWHERE, A MEETING PLACE CLOSE TO THE ONES THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED.

OKAY, CORRECT. SO FAR AS THE MAILINGS OR ANY, ANY OTHER ADVERTISEMENT THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE COUNTY THAT WOULD THAT IS A, IS THAT A CERTIFIED MAIL FROM THE COUNTY? WHEN WE, IF, WHEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS MEETING, WHEN IT COMES BEFORE US, IS THAT CERTIFIED MAIL OR JUST REGULAR MAIL? SINCE I'VE BEEN IN THIS POSITION, I'VE ALWAYS SENT THOSE THINGS CERTIFIED MAIL. YES, PREVIOUS, PREVIOUS, IT'S JUST CONVENIENT.

BUT DON'T WE, CORRECT, ISN'T THAT WHAT WE NORMALLY DO FOR A PUBLIC HEARING? BUT THERE'S NO STATUTORY FOR A COMMUNITY MEETING. NO.

NO, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

NOW I'M GOING TO, NOW GO BACK TO DOC. GO BACK TO DOC. SEE WHAT I CAN DO. HIM ASKED THE PERSON AND THEY AGREED, BUT THAT WAS NOT REQUIRED BY THE ORDINANCE. WE JUST, I, AND THEY AGREED TO DO THE HALF-PAGE AD. SO, RIGHT, SO, BUT IT'S NOT REQUIRED BY THE ORDINANCE, CORRECT? THAT'S JUST A CONVENIENCE. WE REQUIRE IT. WE THINK THAT GIVES THE PEOPLE A HEAD START BEFORE THEY COME TO A HEARING.

TO KNOW WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.

SO, CORRECT. I WOULD SAY JUST LIKE TONIGHT TO THE COMMUNITY, JUST AS YOU HAVE GOTTEN NOTICE FROM WHATEVER PARTICULAR SOURCE, IT WOULD BE BEST TO REACH ONE AND TEACH MANY.

IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN YOU GET A NOTIFICATION, HEY NEIGHBOR, DID YOU GET THIS? OR WHATEVER, AND BEING THAT YOUR SUPPORT IS BUILDING AND ALIVE, THAT KEEPS YOU INFORMED AND KEEPS YOU ON TRACK. OH YES, ALSO BECAUSE MY BROTHER WOULD BE HERE BECAUSE HE'S ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN LOUISA COUNTY, AND HE SAID THEY SHUT IT DOWN WHEN THEY TRY TO COME TO LOUISA COUNTY. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. OKAY. BUT JUST IN YOUR COMMUNITY, JUST DEVELOP A HABIT OF BEING IN A ROOM WHERE IT HAPPENS.

AND, AND, AND I'M GOING TO SAY THIS, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON. WE DO APPRECIATE YOU. I REALLY APPRECIATE Y'ALL BEING HERE. UH, ALL OF OUR NAMES AND NUMBERS IS ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE. MR. PRINCE'S NUMBER THERE, YOU CALL HIM. YOU CAN CALL ANY OF US IF WE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU. WE, WE REPRESENT YOU ALL. SO WE'RE HERE FOR YOU, OKAY? SO I STILL HAVE TO BE INDEPENDENT IN THE PROCESS, BUT I'LL LISTEN TO YOU. WE'LL ALL LISTEN TO YOU. SO DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU'RE BY YOURSELF.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, JUST REACH OUT TO US. YOU KNOW, IF YOU STAY AFTER THE MEETING, I'LL GIVE YOU MY PHONE NUMBER TONIGHT, BUT WE ARE ALL ON THE WEBSITE, OKAY? OKAY.

ALL RIGHT, WELL, LET'S MOVE ALONG. NOT TO CUT THAT SHORT, BUT WE'RE GONE. NOT YET. SO THE ONLY OTHER THING ON THE NEW BUSINESS, DR.

EDWARDS I ATTENDED THE LAST BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING

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AND THAT'S GOING TO BE ON THE AGENDA, CORRECT ME? THE ATTORNEY WAS THERE AND HE DID, HE DID NOT OBJECT, BUT HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO WRITE THE PROPER, THAT'S CORRECT, LANGUAGE SO THEY COULD. AND I WILL CHECK WITH THEM AGAIN THIS WEEK, LONG BEFORE, TO MAKE SURE. BUT THE ATTORNEY DID NOT REJECT THAT HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO PREPARE THE LANGUAGE. MR. PRINCE, YOU WERE THERE. YEAH.

YEAH. KIND OF WHAT YOU UNDERSTOOD. NO, I HEARD YOUR REQUEST. UM, SO YEAH, I UNDERSTOOD HE'S GOING TO DO EITHER WRITE SOME LANGUAGE, RESEARCH IT TO WRITE THE LANGUAGE, OR HE WAS GOING TO, I WAS GOING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH HIM AS WELL TO SEE WHAT HIS OPINION OF THAT WAS, YOU KNOW. SO I COULD HAVE SOMETHING TO TELL Y'ALL TONIGHT, BUT IN ADDITION TO THE, THE ORDINANCE, I'D HAVE HEARD ANYTHING BACK.

OKAY, I'M SORRY. YEAH, ALL RIGHT. BUT YES, BUT I DID SEE HOW THAT, WE'LL SEE WHERE THAT GOES TOO.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANY OTHER NEW BUSINESS? WAKE UP, JACK. I'M AWAKE. THANK YOU, MAN. YOU'RE IN MORATORIUMS AGAIN. OH NO, I KNOW YOU DON'T LIKE THAT WORD. WELL, HE DIDN'T, HE DIDN'T SHUT, HE DIDN'T SHUT ME DOWN, SO LET'S SEE. ALL RIGHT, SO OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE THURSDAY, JULY 16TH, 7 PM.

THAT'LL BE AFTER THE 4TH OF JULY, SO WE GOT A LOT IN TOW FOR CELEBRATIONS AND ALL BEFORE THAT. WE GOT SEVERAL HOLIDAYS COMING UP. ANY, ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE ADJOURN? I GOT ONE LITTLE LIGHT ONE. YES, SIR. I RAN ACROSS THIS ON LINKEDIN AND IT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ IT, BUT I DO RECOMMEND SKIMMING IT.

IT IS KIND OF EYE-OPENING.

UH, WHOEVER WROTE IT IS MASTERFUL. UM, DO WE, DO WE HAVE THAT? DID YOU WRITE IT? NO, WE HAVE, WE DO HAVE IT ON OUR DESK. YES, SHE DID COPY EVERYONE. YES. OKAY, I SEE.

OKAY. YEAH, IT'S WORTH, IT'S WORTH SKIMMING. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, SURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. ANYTHING ELSE? I DO WANT TO JUST YES, SIR, NOTHING ABOUT NEW, WELL, NOT NEW BUSINESS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT TO YOU, I PRODUCED YOUR LEGISLATIVE DESIGN OR LEGISLATIVE UPDATES NOTEBOOK.

THIS IS SOMETHING NEW I WANT TO PRESENT TO YOU, TO THE COMMISSION. NERVES. AND THE REASON THAT WE'VE GOT THIS NEW NOTEBOOK HERE WITH ALL THE NEW, BECAUSE THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY HAS MOVED TO DO A BUNCH OF UPDATES TO ALL THE ZONING ORDINANCES AND REQUIREMENTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. AND I'VE BEEN GETTING A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE DIFFERENT ZONING REQUIREMENTS AND CHANGES THAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY HAS DONE FROM THE VIRGINIA ASSOCIATION OF ZONING OFFICIALS AND HRPDC.

SO THIS IS SOMETHING I'M GOING TO BE TRYING TO GIVE YOU, EACH PLANNING COMMISSIONER, AS I GET INFORMATION, LEGAL-RELATED THINGS OR EVEN ORDINANCE REVISION REQUIREMENTS OR CHANGES TO OUR ORDINANCE.

UM, THIS IS REALLY GOOD. I MEAN, OF COURSE IT DOES TALK ABOUT DATA CENTERS IN HERE AS WELL, BUT IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.

THAT'S ANOTHER HOT THING COMING UP BECAUSE THAT'S THE JULY 1ST NEXT YEAR. IT'LL BE SOME REVISIONS I NEED TO INCORPORATE INTO OUR ORDINANCE. WE ALREADY CURRENTLY ALLOW FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS IN SOME IN THE COUNTY, BUT THERE'LL BE SOME OTHER VERBIAGE LANGUAGE WE NEED TO PUT INTO OUR ORDINANCE. UM, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS REALLY GOOD READING HERE. EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE CHANGES THAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IS REQUIRING THAT'S EITHER GOING TO BE DUE BY MANUFACTURED HOMES, THAT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER BIG THING BY THE END OF, OR BY JULY 1ST.

A NEW ORDINANCE KICKS IN, I MEAN, A NEW REGULATION KICKS IN ABOUT MANUFACTURED HOMES.

SO TAKE SOME TIME AND LOOK THIS OVER. YOU'LL BE GETTING MORE STUFF ADDED INTO IT. THAT'S WHY I GAVE YOU THIS SIZE NOTEBOOK.

OKAY, OKAY. SO OTHER STUFF IS COMING IN, IN THE PRECEDING MONTHS. I GOT A QUESTION. ALL RIGHT, HOLD ON JUST A SECOND.

YES, SIR. OH. THIS WAS ON OUR DESK TONIGHT,

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HERE'S THE CONCEPT PLAN. AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A CONCEPT. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CONCEPT PLAN, NOT, NOT THE REAL DEAL.

OKAY, SO WE, WE DO HAVE DISCUSSION ABOUT A CENTER THEN. SO WE HAVE 2 AGENDAS. YOU KNOW, I CAN GET ANOTHER ONE. I GOT, GOT ANOTHER ONE. THAT'S WHAT WE DRILL FOR. OH, YOU SAY WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY? WHAT MISS LISA HAS HANDED OUT TO YOU IS SOME, SOME OF THEIR DRAFT PROFFERS THAT THEY WANT TO THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PRESENT OR WHATEVER THEY WILL PRESENT. MR. PRINCE, IS THIS POSSIBLE WE COULD PUT THIS ON NEXT MONTH'S AGENDA? SURE, BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF, I REALLY DON'T LIKE SURPRISES, BUT MAYBE IT'S JUST ME. I'M A TEAM PLAYER.

YEAH, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOOD TO DISCUSS SOMETHING THAT WOULD GET AT A MEETING WITHOUT LOOKING AT IT. I'M BRINGING IT BACK. I MOTION TO ADJOURN THE PLANS. ALL RIGHT, WE'LL, WE'LL TABLE THIS UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING, HAVE TIME TO DIGEST IT SINCE NOBODY'S SEEN IT. OKAY.

AND HAVE A PROPER MOTION TO ADJOURN. DO I HEAR A SECOND? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE. ALL RIGHT, Y'ALL HAVE A SAFE TRIP HOME.

THANK YOU. I THANK EVERYBODY IN OUR AUDIENCE FOR COMING TONIGHT. THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE OUR SHERIFF PAUL FOR BEING HERE, AND Y'ALL HAVE A GOOD EVENING.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.