[1. CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL]
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I'D LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I'M GOING TO ASK IF EVERYONE WOULD STAND AS WE RECITE OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE FLAG.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
I'M GOING TO ASK IF EVERYONE WOULD REMAIN STANDING.
HEAVENLY FATHER, WE GIVE THANKS FOR THIS DAY.
LORD, WE GIVE THANKS FOR OUR GREAT COUNTRY, FOR THE ONES WHO ATTENDED THE MEETING TONIGHT, THAT WE HAVE A GOOD AND PRODUCTIVE MEETING.
LORD, BE WITH ALL OF OUR PUBLIC SERVANTS, ALL THOSE IN FOREIGN FIELDS FIGHTING FOR OUR COUNTRY.
WE JUST HOPE PEACE WILL COME SOON.
PEACE IN FOREIGN LANDS IS WHAT IS PEACE AT HOME.
THERE'S SO MUCH VIOLENCE, LORD, THAT THIS IS SO UNNECESSARY.
WE JUST WISH EVERYBODY COULD COME TOGETHER AND LIVE IN HARMONY.
LORD, WE ALSO ASK FOR, IF IT BE IN YOUR WILL, TO HAVE RAIN ON THE WAY, LORD, FOR THE ONES THAT TILL THE FIELDS AND WORK OUTSIDE, VERY DRY.
WE'RE JUST ANXIOUS THAT THE SHOWERS WILL COME TO REMAKE THAT MOISTURE THAT WE SO DESPERATELY NEED.
WELL, LORD, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR ALL THE BLESSINGS EACH AND EVERY DAY YOU GIVE TO US.
IN ALL THINGS WE ASK YOUR SON'S NAME, JESUS CHRIST.
THANK YOU, AND YOU MAY BE SEATED.
I'D LIKE TO WELCOME THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE FOR COMING TONIGHT.
WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING THAT'S BEING CONTINUED ON, AND WE HAVE SOME OTHER BUSINESS.
YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY AS LONG AS YOU LIKE AND PARTICIPATE IF YOU WILL.
WE ARE GLAD TO HAVE YOU TO BE HERE TONIGHT.
FIRST THING ON OUR AGENDA, I SEE EVERYBODY HAS THEIR PACKAGE IN FRONT OF THEM.
I WILL CALL FOR THE ROLL CALL.
MR. RANDALL? IS MR. RANDALL ABSENT AT THIS TIME? HE IS.
[3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
I'M HERE.OKAY, I THINK WE HAVE 100% AND IT'S UP WITH YOU AS WELL.
SO THAT BEING SAID, WE'LL GO DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM OUR APRIL MEETING.
AND I HOPE Y'ALL HAVE TIME TO READ THROUGH THOSE.
SO I'M GOING TO ASK AT THIS TIME, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS, CORRECTIONS? OR ADDITIONS TO THE MAY MINUTES.
IT'S APRIL MINUTES, EXCUSE ME.
YOU KNOW, I HAD TIME IN THE HOSPITAL TO READ SOME THINGS.
STARTING OUT ON PAGE ONE UNDER ATTENDANCE, AND WE HAVE ALL THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, EVERYONE LISTED, AND BEING THAT MR. RANDALL WASN'T HERE LAST TIME, BUT USUALLY WE WOULD HAVE EVERYONE PRESENT AND THEN OTHERS.
AND THEN LISTING THOSE ONES ABSENT UNDER A SEPARATE HEADING.
SO WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO VOTES AND EVERYTHING, YOU HAVE LIKE A 7-1 UNANIMOUS VOTE, BUT YOU ACTUALLY GOT EIGHT PEOPLE LISTED.
SO A LITTLE SMALL TECHNICAL ISSUE.
AND ON PAGES 4 AND 7, YOU GUYS MUST HAVE HAD A COUP BECAUSE COMMISSIONER EDWARDS...
IS MENTIONED AS CHAIRMAN EDWARDS.
AND THAT COMES FROM ALL OF US WEARING SO MANY DIFFERENT HATS, IT KIND OF GETS MIXED UP.
OTHER THAN THAT, I SPARED EVERYTHING ELSE TO ANY OTHER PERSON.
I YIELD THE BALANCE OF MY TIME.
MARTY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I'VE JUST GOT ONE THING.
I THINK MR. CHASTON WOULD BE PROUD.
HE'S FILLING THE DISTRICT VERY NICELY.
SO MRS. BARNES, SURELY, WE WERE REFERRING TO MR. DR.
EDWARDS AS CHAIRMAN, BECAUSE I KNEW YOU WERE DOING BOTH PARTIES.
ROLL CALL BEING ABSENT AND THEN WITH THE VOTING, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU COULD CHANGE IN THE FORMATTING PROCESS? OKAY, SO I UNDERSTAND,
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BUT I SEE BOTH SIDES OF IT HAS BEEN DOING WHAT'S BEEN REFORMATTED, YOU MIGHT SAY.SO ANYWAY, WE COULD ADJUST THAT.
CAN I POINT SOMETHING OUT? YES, SIR.
WELL, MY WIFE HAD A BABY THE DAY BEFORE.
THAT WAS THE REASON FOR MY ABSENCE.
AND WE KNEW, AND WE WISH YOU ALL THE VERY BEST.
WHY WERE YOU LATE TONIGHT? WELL, IT WAS WORK-RELATED.
I CAN ASSURE YOU, IT WAS FROM THE OFFICE TO HERE.
YOU'LL GIVE ME MINUS ONE FOR THE MINUTES.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES? OKAY, I'M GOING TO TAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
WHAT DID THE CHANGES MEAN? I MADE A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, ALL IN FAVOR OF PASSING THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED, SAY AYE.
[4. PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD]
ALL RIGHT.SO NOW I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR...
IF THERE'S ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COME AND SPEAK TO ANY UM, YOU GOT A GRIEVANCE OR YOU GOT A POSITIVE COMMENT ABOUT THE COUNTY AND THE WORKINGS OF THE COUNTY EXCEPT FOR WHAT'S ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT.
WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THAT SOON.
AND YOU GOT ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY LIKE TO COME AND SPEAK TO US IF WE CAN HELP YOU OR GET THE WORD TO THE PROPER AUTHORITIES.
SO AT THIS TIME, ANYONE VERY INFORMAL.
I LIVE OUT ON BLACK CREEK ROAD.
I'M ACTUALLY STARTING A NEW BUSINESS, A SMALL STARTUP.
WE CALL IT BOW WOW CANINE TREATS, LLC.
I BROUGHT YOU ALL SOME INFORMATION.
CAN I APPROACH? IS IT OKAY? SURE.
YOU CAN TAKE IT IF YOU NEED IT.
I KNOW YOU'VE SEEN IT ALREADY.
SO I BROUGHT YOU ALL SOME INFORMATION TO SHOW YOU WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT DOING OUT THERE ON OUR PROPERTY AND TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU TONIGHT SO THAT IF WE NEED TO MAKE AMENDMENTS.
CURRENTLY I'M WAITING TO START RIGHT NOW.
SO THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR WE EXPECT TO BE VERY SMALL.
I DON'T ON THAT PROPERTY EXPECT TO GROW BEYOND A 30 BY 30 TENT AND OR TEMPORARY STRUCTURE.
BUT WHAT I WANT TO DO IS PROVIDE PET SUPPLIES THAT WE DON'T CURRENTLY GET HERE IN SOUTH HAMPTON COUNTY.
WE'RE SEEING THE SAME THINGS AT WALMART, TRACTOR SUPPLY, LOWE'S, THE FEED AND SEEDS.
I WANT DOGGY DONUTS, IF YOU WANT ME TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST.
I WANT THESE CUTE LITTLE THINGS AND THESE SPECIALTY ITEMS FOR MY DOGS.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO HELP BRING TOGETHER THE PET COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE BUILDING THESE NEW HOUSES.
IN NEW FAMILIES COMING IN, MIDDLE CLASS AND UPPER MIDDLE CLASS, THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THESE PET SUPPLIES.
I WANT TO SET IT UP TEMPORARILY, SEE HOW IT DOES, SEE HOW MY INVENTORY DOES, HIT UP A COUPLE FARMER'S MARKETS, AND POSSIBLY OVER TIME MOVE INTO A RETAIL LOCATION.
RECENTLY IN THE AREA, I'VE LOOKED AROUND.
THE CHEAPEST I CAN GET IS $600 A MONTH.
AND AT THIS POINT, OUR COMPANY'S NOT SURE WHAT WILL DO WELL, SO WE WANT TO TRY IT OUT.
HONESTLY, I CAN'T START WITH THAT MUCH INVENTORY, BUT YEAH.
SO WE WILL BE SEEKING APPROVAL IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS TO START NEXT YEAR.
BUT HERE IT IS, AND I WELCOME YOUR FEEDBACK, ANY IDEAS YOU MIGHT HAVE, OR ANY SUGGESTIONS.
HAVE YOU BEEN SELLING YOUR PRODUCT AT LIKE...
I DON'T CURRENTLY CARRY ANY PET SUPPLIES.
I'VE BEEN WORKING, IF YOU GO TO THE BACK OF THE PACKET, I'VE BEEN WORKING ON PRODUCING MY OWN PET TREATS.
I'VE GOT ALL MY APPROVALS ALL THE WAY UP TO A LABEL.
SO I HAVE GIVEN AWAY SAMPLES OVER AT ALLOWAY ANIMAL CONTROL.
WE SET UP A LITTLE FRIDGE AND A LITTLE TEST TO SEE HOW PEOPLE LIKED THEM.
THEY REALLY, REALLY ENJOYED THEM.
BUT AS FAR AS RETAIL, NOT YET.
NO WE YOU CANNOT DO THAT UNTIL THE STATE SIGNS OFF ON THE LABEL AND CURRENTLY MY CAN HAVE BROWNIE BITES.
SO, BUT WITH MY MASTER'S PROGRAM STARTING, I DON'T SEE IT AS A VIABLE INVESTMENT AT THIS TIME BECAUSE I'M NOT MAKING A DOLLAR YET.
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AND SO TO COME IN FRONT OF YOU IS A THOUSAND DOLLARS TO GET INCORPORATED.EVERYTHING I'VE HAD TO DO, I'M JUST A LITTLE BIT AT A TIME AND SEEING WHERE WE'RE AT.
BUT BEFORE I MAKE BIG PLANS AND INVEST IN A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE OR GO FOR A BUSINESS LOAN, I DID WANT TO COME BEFORE YOU AND SEE WHAT YOU GUYS THINK OF THE IDEA BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE IT IN THE COUNTY.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY ORDINANCES FOR IT.
BUT WHAT I PICTURE IN MY MIND IS A LITTLE PET FARMERS MARKET OR A LITTLE FARM STAND WITH PET SUPPLIES.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO PRODUCE THOSE TREATS, BUT THAT WOULD BE UNDER ANIMAL FEED, WHICH BEING AGRICULTURAL, I'M ALLOWED.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PACKET, I HAVE FOLLOWED THROUGH WITH THESE THINGS AND INVESTED MY OWN TIME AND MY OWN MONEY.
SO ANYTHING? YOU HAVE A QUESTION? WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK OF THE IDEA? WOULD THIS REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT? YES.
THAT'S WHEN I'LL BE COMING IN FRONT OF YOU WITH MY $1,000, RIGHT AFTER I START MY MASTER'S PROGRAM.
AND THIS IS TO MR. PRINCE, THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S PRODUCTION OF SOME TYPE OF FOOD? WELL, BECAUSE IT'S PRODUCTION OF FOOD, BUT ALSO IT'S THE RETAIL SALES AT THE RESIDENCE.
IF I MAY, MR. RANDALL, THE MANUFACTURING OF PET TREATS ACTUALLY FALLS UNDER ANIMAL FOOD.
SO BECAUSE WE'RE AGRICULTURAL, THOSE ARE DIFFERENT LAWS.
WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT PET LEASHES AND MANUFACTURED GOODS LIKE I AM, WHICH IS RESALE, NOW WE'RE TALKING RETAIL.
SO WE HAVE THINGS FOR COUNTRY STORES, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THEM FOR PET SUPPLIES, WHICH IS WHY I'LL HAVE TO COME IN FRONT OF YOU FOR CONDITIONAL USE.
BUT MANUFACTURING AND SELLING WOULD BE TWO SEPARATE THINGS.
RIGHT, WHICH THE COUNTY ALREADY ALLOWS FOR ME TO DO THOSE TREATS.
LIKE MAKE THEM BUT TO SELL THEM WOULD BE RETAIL NO THAT'S STILL PRODUCING ANIMAL FEED SO THEREFORE I'M TALKING ABOUT PRODUCING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SELLING THEM RIGHT I'M ALLOWED TO SELL THAT FOR MY FARM THE SAME AS IF YOU MIXED UH ANY DOG KIBBLE OR ANY BIRD SEED THE LAW ALLOWS ME TO INCLUDE TREATS IN THAT BECAUSE THAT IS A SUBSTITUTE FOOD IS THE WAY IT HAS TO BE LABELED THAT WAS MY INITIAL QUESTION BUT I WAS THINKING MANUFACTURING AND B1 OR B2 AND I WAS GOING THROUGH THE LIST OF B1 AND B2 AND I WAS TRYING THOSE TREATS UM IF I WAS TO MANUFACTURE ON A LARGER LARGER SCALE THAN MY KITCHEN IS GOING TO REQUIRE ANOTHER BUILDING WHICH I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO REAGAN ABOUT AND THAT WOULD BE THAT LARGER LIFE YOU LOOK AT THE FLAT SO THE TEMPORARY TO SEE WHAT SELLS I'M GOING TO DO ON THE HALF ACRE, BUT IF I GET TO MANUFACTURING WHERE I ACTUALLY NEED A BUILDING AND I NEED ELECTRICITY, THAT'S WHEN I COME BACK TO YOU GUYS AND TALK ABOUT MANUFACTURING THERE, OR I FIND SOMEPLACE ELSE TO MANUFACTURE IT.
AT THAT POINT, WHY WOULD I BRING IT BACK TO A FARM? MANUFACTURING, LIKE SOME TYPE OF COOKING AND BAKING, I MEAN IT WOULD BE...
YEAH, I'M CURRENTLY MAKING THEM IN MY HOME, WHICH YOU CAN SELL AT FARMER'S MARKETS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
IT WOULD BE NOTHING SIGNIFICANT FROM ELECTRIC.
IT WOULD JUST BE SEVERAL OVENS THAT YOU WOULD DO IN A SMALL BUILDING? NO, I'M RUNNING ONE OVEN.
THEY'RE ADVERTISED AS HANDMADE.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING I CAN LOOK AT.
I HAND MOLD EACH ONE OF THOSE COOKIES.
SURE, BUT THE NEW BUILDING THAT YOU'RE ENVISIONING, IT WOULD BE FOR COOKING? ON THE BIGGER SIDE, I THINK WHAT WE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT IS A 30 BY 20 MODULAR.
I KNOW THAT THAT ALLOWS FOR MODULAR OUT THERE.
AND THEN, YES, I'D HAVE TO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL ELECTRIC SUPPLY RUN THERE.
BUT I ALSO HAVE ELECTRICITY RUNNING TO MY GARAGE, WHICH HANDLES ALL OUR POWER TOOLS AND STUFF, WHICH, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS HAVE ON YOUR STUFF NOW BECAUSE WE DID IT THE RIGHT WAY.
YOU KNOW, WE USED THE ELECTRICIAN.
AS FAR AS WATER SUPPLY FOR THAT, I HAVE A WELL ON MY PROPERTY THAT WE DON'T CURRENTLY USE FOR THE HOUSE.
I'VE ACTUALLY NEVER HOOKED IT UP.
CURRENTLY ALL I'M USING THAT SIDE OF MY PROPERTY FOR IS A DONKEY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? GO AHEAD, CHALLENGE ME, I'M READY.
ARE YOUR NEIGHBORS HAPPY WITH YOU? LET'S SEE, THE FOLKS WITH THE CATTLE ACROSS THE STREET, YES.
THE GENTLEMAN NEXT DOOR THESE DAYS, YES.
WAS IT HARD WHEN EVERYBODY WENT RESIDENTIAL? YES.
I THINK, YEAH, OVER THE YEARS WE'VE KIND OF LOST.
I KNOW THAT OUR PROPERTY IS OWNED BY THE GENTLEMAN TWO DOORS DOWN, OR WAS OWNED BY HIS AUNT.
THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL FARM BUILDING.
WE GET A LOT OF COMPLIMENTS, ESPECIALLY FROM HIM AND HIS FAMILY, ABOUT TURNING THAT PROPERTY AROUND.
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WHEN I BOUGHT IT, IT WAS ALL CLAY.NOW I HAVE PLUM TREES, BLACKBERRIES, BLUEBERRIES.
I MEAN, IF YOU CAN EAT IT, I'M GROWING IT.
ASPARAGUS, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS.
SO YEAH, EVERYBODY'S BEEN PRETTY HAPPY WITH WHAT WE DID WITH THE PROPERTY.
IT WAS HARD BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE WANTED TO TELL US WHAT TO DO WITH IT.
BUT WE'VE BEEN OUT THERE 13 YEARS, YOU KNOW.
I APPRECIATE YOU COMING FORWARD TONIGHT.
AND, YOU KNOW, I WISH YOU GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR ENDEAVOR.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO STAY IN TOUCH WITH MR. PRINCE AS YOU PROGRESS THROUGH THE STAGES WITH YOUR LABELING.
MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, AND WE'LL CERTAINLY WELCOME YOU COMING BACK AGAIN.
AND MY CONTACT INFORMATION IS ON THERE.
AND IF ANYBODY WANTS TO TRY A SAMPLE, LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE NOT CURRENTLY BEING SOLD.
BUT WE DO HAVE SAMPLES AVAILABLE IN EXCHANGE FOR FEEDBACK.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING TONIGHT.
ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME FORWARD? IF NOT, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
[5. PUBLIC HEARINGS]
TO THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS THE CONTINUANCE OF OUR PUBLIC HEARING LAST MONTH.THIS WAS THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION FOR BUCKS, DOG TRAINING, AND THE STATE SCHOOL COMMUNITY.
SO I'M GOING TO LET MR. PRINCE, IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE SUBMITTED THAT NIGHT, A LOT OF THOSE HAVE BEEN ANSWERED IN THE PACKET.
I WILL LET YOU BRING US BACK UP TO SPEED WITH THE TRANSPIRED, AND THEN WE'LL GO FORWARD FROM THAT.
MR. CHAMBER, I'M GOING TO EXCUSE MYSELF.
GOOD TO BE KNOWN, MR. RANDERSON.
IF I COULD JUST START BY REREADING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
CUP 20-26-01, APPLICATION BY STEPHANIE LORIA FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A CANINE TRAINING FACILITY, BUCKS DOG TRAINING, PROVIDING DOG TRAINING SERVICE, GENERAL LESSONS, SERVICE DOG TRAINING, AND AGILITY TRAINING IN ACCORDANCE WITH COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE SECTION 18-37, ITEMS 9 AND 21.
THE PROPERTY IS ON AGRICULTURAL A1 AND IS LOCATED AT 34577 MONROE ROAD, TAX PARCEL 115-18H.
THE PARCEL IS IN THE SOUTHEAST VOTING DISTRICT AND THE BLACKWATER RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
SINCE THE, AGAIN, THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT WAS ON APRIL 9TH.
AND SO WE MET, I MET WITH THE OWNERS, AND WE LOOKED AT ALL THE ITEMS THAT WERE NEEDED TO STRENGTHEN THE APPLICATION.
AS FAR AS TRAFFIC NOISE, ALSO WASTE MANAGEMENT, IF YOU WILL, OF THE DOGS.
THAT'S ALL NOTED IN MY STAFF REPORT.
WE ALSO LOOKED AT EVERYTHING TO MAKE SURE IT WAS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS WELL.
SO I THINK WE DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB.
WE LOOKED AT ALL THE PROFFERS THAT WERE REQUIRED.
THE PROFFERS WERE MISSING FROM THE APPLICATION AND FROM THE STAFF REPORT, BUT THEY ARE NOW.
I THINK THAT PRETTY MUCH KIND OF SATISFIED SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD REGARDING THE APPLICATION.
WE LOOKED AT HOURS OF OPERATION, HOW MANY DOGS ARE GOING TO BE ON PROPERTY, WHAT ELSE, OH AND LIKE I SAID THE WASTE MANAGEMENT AS WELL AS TRAFFIC AND NOISE AND BUFFERING AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
SO I THINK WE DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB WITH IT.
THAT KIND OF BRINGS US UP TO SPEED ON THE APPLICATION AND THE UPDATES.
SO YOU SEE THE CONSIDERATIONS.
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I GUESS IT'S THE THIRD PAGE REFERRING TO THIS APPLICATION.I THINK THE BEST I REMEMBER THEY WERE THE...
AND THAT'S WHY WE POSTPONED THE MEETING.
OR POSTPONED THE VOTE, RATHER.
DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS OR ANY ADDITIONAL ISSUES AT HAND? I KNOW WE HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE NUMBER AND THE HOURS OF OPERATION.
MR. MANN, I KNOW THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT HOW MUCH OF THE PROFIT WAS GOING TO BE USED FOR THE ACTUAL DRAW TRAINING.
IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S BEEN ITEMIZED.
DO YOU SEE ANYTHING ELSE? HAVE YOU LEARNED, OLA? YEAH, IN THAT REGARD, THAT WAS AN ERROR IN OUR INITIAL PERMIT APPLICATION.
THE NUMBERING OF THE ACREAGE, THAT WAS NOT ACCURATE.
AND SO WE UPDATED EVERYTHING, INCLUDING THE REVISED SITE PLAN IN THE VERY BACK, SHOWING THE FENCING OF THAT 3.58 ACRES THAT'S GOING TO BE RESERVED JUST FOR THE TRAINING.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A USE OF THE ENTIRE 18 ACRES OF THE PROPERTY.
SO WE KIND OF DEFINED EXACTLY WHERE THE TRAINING WAS GOING TO OCCUR ON THE PROPERTY.
SO I SHOULD REMEMBER THIS, AND I DON'T.
DID WE ACTUALLY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? NO WE JUST EXTENDED IT PUBLIC HEARING IS STILL OPEN CORRECT YES OKAY CORRECT SO IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE PANEL AND I WILL LET ANYONE FROM THE AUDIENCE COME BACK UP AND I'LL COME BACK SPEAK AGAIN OR WHATEVER IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS HERE BEFORE WE LET THE GUESTS COME FORWARD IF THEY WANT TO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ONE LITTLE STATEMENT I LIKE THIS APPLICATION MUCH BETTER YES OH YES I AGREE I AGREE IT LOOKS UM WELL, IT'S MORE COMPLETE.
OKAY, SO IF THERE'S NO COMMENTS, AT THIS TIME, IF THERE'S ANYONE FROM THE AUDIENCE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK, HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
ANY COMMENTS? NO? ALL RIGHT, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ALL RIGHT, NOW WE CAN DELIBERATE, TALK FURTHER, ANY OTHER COMMENTS.
I'D LIKE TO DISCLOSE THIS IS A MUCH MORE COMPLETE APPLICATION.
WE APPRECIATE THE ABSENCE OF GOING BACK AGAIN, BUT ANYWAY.
APPRECIATE YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED LAST MEETING.
WELL, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO COMMENT THAT I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GUYS GOING IN AND ADDRESSING THOSE THINGS THAT WE ITEMIZED FOR YOU LAST TIME.
AND YOUR APPLICATION CLEANED UP AND EVERYTHING WILL ACTUALLY SERVE AS A GREAT PUBLIC TOOL.
WHEN OTHER FOLKS COME IN TO PRESENT THEIR APPLICATION, BECAUSE THEY'LL SEE MORE OF A FORMAL FORMAT THAT YOU GUYS HAVE PROGRESSED ALONG, AND I THANK YOU FOR THAT.
I'M GOING TO BRING UP ONE POINT, AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS AN OPEN-TYPE ISSUE, BUT I KNOW YOU MENTIONED LAST MEETING THAT YOU DO SOME OF THE TRAINING FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSONNEL.
WOULD IT EVER BE AN INSTANCE WHERE IT WOULD BE LIKE ANY KIND OF WEAPONS OR GUNFIRE? NOTHING LIKE THAT, WOULD IT? NO, SIR.
IT'S MORE ABOUT OBEDIENCE AND THE COMMANDS.
I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THAT, AND THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
I KNEW THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP BEFORE, BUT THAT WOULD BRING UP A LITTLE DIFFERENT GAME CHANGER, BUT THANK YOU.
YOU CAN TRAIN MILITARY DOGS WITHOUT GUNFIRE.
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WE DO NOT TRAIN POLICE DOGS, MILITARY DOGS.WE TRAIN SERVICE DOGS FOR VETERANS.
AND WE DO FOUNDATIONAL OBEDIENCE WORK FOR DOGS.
SO COME, SIT, PLACE, OUT, OFF LEASH, RECALL.
WE DON'T DO ANY REACTIVITY, AGGRESSION CASES.
SO I THINK I MIGHT HAVE BEEN NERVOUS.
AND MISSPOKE SOMEHOW LAST TIME, SO WE DON'T DO POLICE DOGS.
WELL, THE REASON I BROUGHT THAT QUESTION UP TOO...
WE HAD AN APPLICATION YEARS AGO.
I WAS ON THIS BOARD AND THAT WAS THAT WAS POLICE TRAINED REMEMBER THAT THERE WAS WEAPONS GONNA BE USED YEAH, YEAH, AND THAT WAS A THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT LEVEL.
WE JUST WANT TO BE A CLARIFICATION SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF I HAD A DOG THAT WAS ACTING UP.
I COULD I COULD RING BRING A MAN FOR FROM OBEDIENCE TO SCHOOL.
I THINK IT'S WONDERFUL WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
THE SERVICE INDUSTRY IS CERTAINLY WELL NEEDED.
ANY QUESTIONS YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION.
SO I HAVE A PROPER MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND A PROPER SECOND.
IS THERE ANOTHER DISCUSSION? WE NEED TO APPROVE IT WITH THE 12 PROFFERS.
WITH THE? WELL, WITH THE CURRENT APPLICATION THAT'S BEEN AMENDED WITH THE PROFFERS.
WOULD YOU BE PRESENTED TONIGHT? CORRECT.
MR. MAYOR, YOU HAD A QUESTION.
I JUST WONDERED IF YOU WANTED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE WE VOTED ON IT.
I THOUGHT HE'D ALREADY CLOSED IT.
NOW, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT TO MAKE? NO.
THE ONLY COMMENT WAS TO INCLUDE THE 12 PROPERTIES.
AND MAKE SURE AS DO WE KNOW THAT MR. RANDALL RECRUITS HIMSELF.
MR. RANDALL, YOU COME BACK FORWARD NOW.
ANYONE THAT WANTS TO STAY FOR OUR MEETING, WE APPRECIATE YOU STAYING, BUT IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO GO, IT'S FINE, WHATEVER.
THANK YOU ALL, AND BEST OF LUCK.
SO, THERE'S NO UNFINISHED BUSINESS, NO OTHER UNFINISHED BUSINESS BEING BROUGHT FORWARD
[7. NEW BUSINESS]
TONIGHT.AT NUMBER SEVEN, NEW BUSINESS, WHICH IS...
WE HAVE A DRAFT ORDINANCE OF THE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS IN FRONT OF US.
I HOPE YOU ALL HAD TIME TO LOOK AT THAT.
I KNOW THAT A LOT OF WORK HAS BEEN GOING TO, A LOT OF HOURS HAVE GONE INTO THAT.
SO THIS IS APT TO BE MODIFIED OR CHANGED OR LIKE IT LIKE IT IS.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOMETHING.
IN THE BOOKS, YOU KNOW, WE SPOKE ABOUT THIS IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS, AND WE FINALLY GOT TO THIS POINT THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOMETHING IN WRITING THAT WE CAN REVIEW.
AND I HOPE EVERYBODY HAS READ THROUGH IT AND CAN BE CONSTRUCTIVE IN OUR PROCESS TONIGHT.
SO, MR. PRINCE, YOU WANT TO JUST GIVE US A SHORT VIEWPOINT OF HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT TONIGHT, WHAT YOU DID TO ACCUMULATE THE INFORMATION THAT'S IN FRONT OF US, AND HOW IT APPLIES TO OUR COUNTY.
OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS I'VE BEEN TASKED WITH DOING SOME RESEARCH ABOUT AREA JURISDICTIONS THAT HAVE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE ORDINANCES AND BROUGHT THEM BEFORE THE COMMISSION TO KIND OF SEE WHAT THE OTHER LOCALITIES WERE.
WITH THEIR ORDINANCES HAD IN REGARDS TO BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS OR ORDINANCES ON THEIR AREAS AND THEIR JURISDICTIONS.
SO WE MADE A DECISION AND WE DECIDED ON USING THE ORDINANCE FROM ISLE OF WIGHT COUNTY AND THE CITY OF SUFFOLK.
AND WE WERE GOING TO INTEGRATE THOSE TWO, THE LANGUAGE FROM BOTH OF THOSE ORDINANCES INTO...
OUR ORDINANCE, OUR BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE ORDINANCE.
AND SO IN DOING SO, I WANTED EVERYTHING TO KIND OF MATCH OUR FORMAT.
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OKAY, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF DIFFERENT FORMATS IN HERE.SO WHAT I DID IS I TOOK OUR UTILITY SCALE SOLAR ORDINANCE AND NUMERICAL SEQUENCE, PUT THIS ORDINANCE RIGHT BEHIND THE...
UTILITY SCALE SOLAR ORDINANCE.
SO, AND THEN LIKEWISE, WHEN I GET READY TO DO THE DATA STORAGE ORDINANCE, IT'LL BE RIGHT BEHIND THIS.
WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS THE AMENDED ORDINANCE TO ADDRESS BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS IN SOUTH HIGLEY COUNTY.
NOW, WHAT YOU SEE HERE IN BLACK, PRETTY MUCH, IS LANGUAGE THAT WAS JUST KIND OF TAILORED FROM OUR UTILITY SOLAR ORDINANCE.
WHAT'S IN RED IS WHAT WAS KIND OF TAKEN FROM EITHER...
OF THOSE TWO OTHER ORDINANCES AND ADOPTED OR AMENDED INTO OUR ORDINANCE RIGHT HERE.
SO EVERYTHING IN RED IS EITHER AN ORDINANCE FROM CITY OF SUFFOLK OR ISLE OF WIGHT.
AND I LIKED OUR FORMAT A LOT BETTER.
BUT I LIKED OUR FORMAT A LOT BETTER BECAUSE IT SPEAKS TO DESIGN STANDARDS, WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THE STANDARD IN THAT PARTICULAR DISTRICT, THE M1 DISTRICT, AS WELL AS LANDSCAPING, OUR DESIGN STANDARD.
AND SOME OF THE WORDING WAS, LIKE I SAID, OUR WORDING IS BETTER, IF I MAY ADD, ESPECIALLY OUR LANDSCAPING PIECE ON THE BACK PART OF THOSE ORDINANCE.
IS ALL IN BLACK BECAUSE THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL OUR LANGUAGE FROM OUR ORDINANCE.
I THINK, I'LL INTERRUPT, I THINK THAT WAS GOOD THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING THE SAME REQUIREMENTS AS THE SOIL.
I THOUGHT IF IT APPLIES TO THE SIZE AND SUCH, IT WOULD HAVE SOME CONSISTENCY.
IT SHOWS THAT WE'RE NOT BEING FAVORITISM TO ONE OR THE OTHER.
AND IN THEORY, WHEN LOOKING THROUGH ALL THESE ORDINANCES, THE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE FACILITY IS INTEGRATED WITH THE SOLAR, WHETHER IT BE UTILITY SCALE OR SOME OTHER SMALLER VERSION OF A SOLAR FACILITY.
PLACES WHERE THE BATTERY STORAGE IS ON THE SAME SITE.
BUT I'VE ALSO READ WHERE THEY'RE PUTTING BATTERY STORAGE THAT IS NOT IN A CONTRIVED WITH A SOLAR CELL.
ANYWHERE ON THE GRID, CORRECT.
THE MAIN THING IS THAT IT HAS TO BE CLOSE TO PROXIMITY TO THE GRID OR TO SOME OVERHEAD.
SO IT PRETTY MUCH CAN BE WHERE THERE'S HIGH VOLTAGE TRANSMISSION LINES.
AND I THINK I SPOKE TO THAT IN, I'VE GOT WHAT AREA? YEAH, IT IS IN THERE, SO IT HAS TO BE CLOSE BY AND CLOSE PROXIMITY.
HAS MR. FRANCIS, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY BEEN IN ON THIS? YES, I'VE SUBMITTED A COPY TO HIM, AND HE'S CURRENTLY REVIEWING IT, AND HE'S GOING TO GET SOMETHING BACK TO US.
SO HE'S REVIEWED IT, THOUGH? HE'S CURRENTLY REVIEWING IT.
HE HADN'T RESPONDED TO MY EMAIL SAYING THAT HE'S COMPLETED.
HIS REVIEW BUT HE IS REVIEWING IT YEAH HE WOULD HAVE TO UM REVIEW IT BECAUSE WHILE YOU GUYS WERE TALKING I JUST WENT AND ASKED MY FAVORITE FRIEND AI TO ABSTRACT THE DOCUMENT IN AND ASKED HIM ARE THERE ANY POSSIBLE LEGAL CONFLICTS AND IT'S SPELLED OUT NINE, YEAH.
AND ONE, NUMBER ONE CONFLICT WAS CONFLICT WITH STATE PREEMPTION ON BUILDING AND FIRE CODES AND SAID THE ISSUE IS THE ORDINANCE REPEATEDLY MANDATES COMPLIANCE WITH NFPA 835 AND UL AND OTHER ONES.
AND BUT IT SAYS VIRGINIA LOCALITIES CANNOT IMPOSE
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BUILDING OF FIRE CODES REQUIREMENTS STRICTER THAN UNIFORM STATEWIDE BUILDING CODES AND THE RISK OF THAT A DEVELOPER COULD ARGUE THESE.I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY WAIT FOR AN OPINION ON THE COUNTY ATTORNEY BEFORE WE GIVE A LEGAL OPINION THROUGH AI.
WHILE WE'RE ON THE FIRE CODE I GOT ONE QUESTION.
THE SECTION 18-744B ADDITIONAL SUBMISSIONS REQUIREMENTS.
IT GOES APPLICANTS SHOULD SUBMIT A EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLAN ON THE NEXT PAGE.
IN RED? OKAY, IT SAYS THAT THEY ARE APPROVAL FOR THE COUNTY CHIEF OF FIRE AND RESCUE SINCE OUR FIRE AND RESCUE IS ALL VOLUNTEER.
LIKE, WHICH ONE? IS IT THE LOCALITY THAT'S CLOSEST TO IT? YES.
BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE WITHIN THE COUNTY, SO IT WOULD FIRE UNDER THE VIRGINIA STATE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE? NO, WHAT I WOULD DO IS I WOULD WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING IS CONSULTING WITH OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR.
BASED ON THE PROJECT, WHERE...
SOMETIMES EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DOESN'T CORRELATE WITH FIRE CODE.
RIGHT, BUT HE WOULD TELL ME WHICH JURISDICTION WOULD BE THE FIRST RESPONDERS FOR THAT PARTICULAR SITE.
SO I PROBABLY DO NEED TO REVISE THAT.
BUT A LOT OF OUR VOLUNTEER DEPARTMENTS AREN'T EDUCATED IN FIRE CODE.
GIVEN APPROVAL IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
YEAH, WELL, YEAH, THAT'S TRUE.
YEAH, THAT SOMEONE I MEAN, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL VOLUNTEERS.
SOME OF THEM HAVE A LOT MORE TRAINING THAN OTHERS.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE RESPONDING, BUT NOT NOT CORRECT.
WHAT I DO IS WE GET THAT CLARIFIED.
AGAIN, IT'S CONNECTED WITH EMERGENCY SERVICES.
THERE'S A, ON PAGE SEVEN, IT GETS INTO SOME DISCUSSION ON EMERGENCY PROCEDURES, AND IT TALKS ABOUT, I BELIEVE, ALARM SYSTEMS THAT ALERT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
BUT I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT TYPE OF ALARM ARE THESE SIRENS THAT GO OFF IF THEY'RE NEAR A RESIDENTIAL AREA TO ALERT NEIGHBORS THAT THERE IS AN ISSUE, OR ARE THEY SILENT ALARMS THAT ONLY GO TO LIKE A...
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT IT IS.
BUT SHOULD IT ALSO BE A SIREN IF IT'S SOMETHING EXTREMELY SERIOUS? I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD BE A GREAT THING WITH FALSE ALARMS. RIGHT, TRUE.
EVERY KIND OF POWER DIP AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, SOMETIMES IT SETS ALARMS. TRUE.
THEN YOU GOT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE RUNNING FOR NOISE COMPLAINTS.
DURING PLAN REVIEW, REAGAN WOULD BE REVIEWING THAT PARTICULAR ALARM SYSTEM, AND DEPENDING ON WHAT THE SYSTEM REQUIRES IS WHAT HE'LL MAKE SURE THEY PUT ON THEIR SITE PLAN.
AND I THINK I READ SOMEWHERE, AND I MAY BE GOING BACK TO SOLAR ORDINANCE ALSO, IS THE ANNUAL TRAINING FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD BE RESPONDING.
LIKE FOR THE DIRECTOR OR WHOEVER THE FACILITY MANAGER IS, IS CONTACTING THE LOCAL FIRE DEPARTMENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT TRAINING IS CONSISTENT.
AND LIKE YOU SAID, PEOPLE COME AND GO.
THEY NEED TO DO IT ANNUALLY TO KEEP UP.
ESPECIALLY AS TECHNOLOGY CHANGES IN THE FACILITY.
DON'T THEY ALL HAVE THAT REQUIREMENT BUILT INTO THEIR SYSTEM ANYWAY? DOES THAT HAPPEN ROUTINELY? IT'S PROBABLY ROUTINELY FOR THEM, BUT THEY NEED TO KEEP US IN THE LOOP AND LET US KNOW, HEY, IT'S TIME FOR ANOTHER TRAINING, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GET ON THE SCHEDULE.
YES, YES, THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'D HAVE TO COORDINATE, OR OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR, THEY WILL BE IN COORDINATION WITH THAT PERSON AS FAR AS MAKING SURE THAT THE LOCAL FIRST RESPONDERS ARE BEING TRAINED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
ON PAGE 9 AND PAGE 12, I THINK, CHANGE CITY TO COUNTY.
PAGE 9, I BELIEVE IT'S AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE, IT SAYS...
AND THEN ON PAGE 12, IT SAYS THERE'S ABOUT THREE-QUARTERS OF THE WAY...
WELL, REALLY, IT'S THE THIRD PARAGRAPH, LAST SENTENCE.
RIGHT ABOVE FOLLOWING WITH THE COLON, THE CITY IS RIGHT THERE.
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SO...I'M NOT PUTTING MY NAME IN THE SAFE ACCOUNT.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE WAS SIMPLY ON PAGE FIVE.
IN THE OTHER ONE YOU SAID, SHALL BE KEPT FREE, AND THEN SHALL NOT BE REQUIRED.
WHILE YOU'RE ON THAT PAGE 5, RIGHT ABOVE IT AT THE END OF NUMBER 3, ADEQUATE ADDRESS SHOULD BE ADEQUATELY.
ON PAGE 3, IS IT? ON PAGE 3? NO, NO, PAGE 5.
JUST A COUPLE LINES ABOVE THAT.
ON PAGE 3, AT THE VERY BOTTOM, IT TALKS ABOUT THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR SHALL HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO PERMIT MINOR STRUCTURAL ADDITIONS ON LOCATIONS.
AND IS THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR WHO WE WANT TO TASK WITH THAT DUTY? I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY...
DURING THE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS, YOU KNOW, IF I MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT SOMETHING, THEY JUST NEED TO GO IN AND MAKE IT DONE, YOU KNOW, DO IT, INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
SO, YEAH, I WOULD MAKE THAT CALL TO SAY, ALL RIGHT, WE NEED TO MAKE SOME CHANGES HERE, YOU KNOW.
THAT'S ON YOUR DEFINITION OF MINOR.
WELL, AND THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING IS, YOU KNOW, WHO ARE WE TASKING IT TO? SO...
WHO IS THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR? ME.
BECAUSE WHEN ANY KIND OF PROJECT COMES INTO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT OFFICE, IT COMES IN AND WE START THE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS BETWEEN MYSELF, WELL, MYSELF AND MYSELF, MYSELF AS THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THEN AGAIN AS THE ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEER.
BECAUSE NORMALLY THAT'S THE WAY THE PLAN REVIEW OPERATION KIND OF GOES IN THAT DEPARTMENT.
AND SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE MY COMMENTS SPECIFIC TO JUST PLANNING, ZONING, YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT.
THEN, OF COURSE, I'D HAVE TO MAKE ANOTHER REVIEW BASED ON OTHER ENGINEERING, YOU KNOW, STORMWATER, E&S, YOU KNOW, ITEMS, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPING.
I'M SORRY, I GO BACK TO LANDSCAPING AS WELL.
SO ALL OF THAT IS DONE, YOU KNOW, IN-HOUSE.
AND SO SOMETIMES IT'S BETTER FOR THEM TO, FOR ME, TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO TELL THEM, HEY, THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO DO BASED ON MY PLAN REVIEW.
I'M SURE THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR IS NOT GOING TO STICK HIS NECK OUT FOR SOMETHING IF THEY COME BACK TO BIDEN.
I MEAN, OTHER THAN THOSE FEW CHANGES YOU WERE SAYING, I MEAN, I THINK YOU DID A GOOD JOB PUTTING IT TOGETHER.
I THINK IT'S VERY CONSISTENT WITH OUR SOLAR ORDINANCE.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE ALL KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO WORK ON NEXT IS DATA CENTERS.
SO AND I LOOK AT THE SOLAR ORDINANCE, WHICH WE TOOK A LONG TIME TO DO.
I THINK WE NEED TO TRY AND GET THIS SENT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS BECAUSE, AND I WAS LOOKING AT THE AI AND I WAS CHUCKLING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CONSTITUTIONALITY BEING OVERLY RESTRICTIVE.
I THOUGHT IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH OUR THEME.
AND I THINK WHEN YOU DO AN ORDINANCE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE CONSISTENT.
AND I KNOW THAT IN THE CLASS, WHICH I TOOK, WHAT, ALMOST 20 YEARS AGO NOW? I'M STARTING TO GET GRAY.
IT HAD A SECTION ABOUT STATUTORY CONSTRUCTION, ABOUT THE CONSISTENCY OF EACH LOCALITY.
AND DO WE WANT TO BE SOUTH HAMPTON COUNTY, ISLE OF WIGHT, OR DO WE WANT TO BE A NORFOLK PORTSMOUTH?
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AND I THINK THAT THE ORDINANCE IS VERY, VERY CONSISTENT.WITH OUR PREVIOUS ORDINANCE, AND THEN I THINK THIS WOULD BE STEP TWO, AND THEN STEP THREE, I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE APPLICATIONS WITHIN THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS OF THE BATTERY AND THEN WHAT WE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED.
AND I THINK WE'RE AHEAD OF THE GAME AT THIS TIME, INSTEAD OF BEHIND LIKE WE WERE WITH SOLAR.
THAT CONSISTENCY AND THEME AND IT'S NOT AMBIGUOUS OF OUR COUNTY PHILOSOPHY.
KEEP AN EYE ON THE COUNTIES TO THE EAST OF US AND IF YOU SEE SOMETHING FLIP THROUGH THE CRACKS, WE CAN CHANGE IT.
I THINK THIS IS A VERY GOOD START.
YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THERE MAY BE SOME...
REVISIONS NEEDED BASED ON OTHER APPLICATIONS COMING IN, JUST SOMETHING THAT MAYBE WE DIDN'T THINK OF.
WE WORKED HARD ON IT, NOT ONLY MYSELF BUT MY STAFF AS WELL, AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, SO I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE IT.
IT WILL GO TO THE BOARD THIS MONTH FOR A READING, FIRST READING.
AND THEN THE NEXT MONTH AT THE REGULAR MEETING, IT WILL COME TO...
IT WILL BE ABOUT FIVE DAYS, I THINK, AHEAD OF A DEADLINE, FIVE OR SIX DAYS.
MR. PRESIDENT, I'M GOING TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO GET WORD TO THE COUNTY, OUR REPRESENTATION, THE LEAGUE OF REPRESENTATIVES.
JUST BE SURE EVERYTHING IS IN ORDER SO THAT WE CAN FOLLOW THE SAME PAGE.
SO HE NEEDS TO STEP THAT UP A LITTLE BIT.
HOW LONG HAS HE HAD IT? HE'S HAD IT ABOUT...
ABOUT A WEEK, MAYBE? A WEEK? ABOUT A WEEK OR SO? I DO A FOLLOW-UP.
BECAUSE WE'RE ALL ON A TIMELINE.
YES, AND MY EMAIL TO HIM WHEN I SUBMITTED THIS, THE ORDINANCE TO HIM FOR REVIEW, I ALSO STRESSED THAT, OKAY, WE NEED TO GET THIS DONE BEFORE THE DEADLINE.
APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE DONE, YOUR STAFF, I'M NOT SURE WHO, DR.
EDWARDS, AND OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR ALLOWING US TO HAVE AN EXTRA MEETING IF NECESSARY, IF NECESSARY.
THEY PUT THIS KIND OF ON THE FAST TRACK.
IT'S NOT THAT WE JUST STARTED THIS TWO MONTHS AGO.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
JUST LIKE TODAY, WE CAN DOCUMENT THE INFORMATION BEING BROUGHT FORWARD, SO THIS IS NOT NEW.
BUT NOW I DO THINK IT'S TIME TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE EXPEDITE BEFORE WE HAVE TO HAND.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES, SIR.
MR. PRINCE, CAN YOU GO TO PAGE...
I'VE ALREADY COMPLIMENTED IT, SO I'VE GOT TO BEAT YOU UP A LITTLE BIT.
WHICH ONE? PAGE 5, AND IT'S IIII.
IT STARTS WITH ALL BATTERY STORAGE EQUIPMENT.
WHAT AM I READING INCORRECTLY HERE? AND I'M SKIPPING DOWN TO LINE FOUR.
IT SAYS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MAY APPROVE THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROCESS CONDITIONS THAT ALLOW A BATTERY STORAGE FACILITY TO LOCATE CLOSER THAN 350 FEET, BUT NO CLOSER THAN 100 FEET FROM PUBLIC ROADS AND PROPERTY LINES.
SO I'M LOOKING TO LOCATE CLOSER THAN 350 FEET.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? AM I JUST READING IT WRONG OR IS IT ME? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
NO CLOSER? WELL, I THINK IT TOOK THIS FROM OUT OF WHITE ORDINANCE.
IT WAS 350 AND THEN THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES KIND OF ALLOWED IT.
IT'S MISSING SOME ADJECTIVES AND ADVERBS.
AND THEN THIS WOULD STILL GO, IT'S A CONDITIONAL USE, SO IT WOULD STILL GO THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WOULD ULTIMATELY MAKE THE DECISION.
AND THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE.
ANYTIME YOU DEVIATE FROM THE BASIC NUMBERS, SETBACK NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CAN HAVE THAT AUTHORITY TO MAKE THAT CHANGE.
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RIGHT.WE NEED TO, I GUESS WHAT THEY WERE DOING IN THE ISLE OF WIGHT IS THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO LIKE PROVIDE SOME OPTIONS, YOU KNOW, BASED ON DESIGN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE.
YES, THERE MAY BE SOMETHING THAT.
THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN IS JUST LIKE THEY'RE EXPRESSING A 250 FOOT MARGIN OF WHERE YOU CAN ADJUST BECAUSE THEY'RE SAYING THAT.
WHATEVER IT WAS, THE SUPERVISOR MAY APPROVE.
THROUGH THE CONTINUOUS USE PERMIT PROCESS CONDITIONS THAT ALLOW A BATTERY STORAGE FACILITY TO LOCATE CLOSER THAN 350 FEET, BUT NO CLOSER THAN 100 FOOT OF THE PUBLIC ROADS.
YEAH, BUT MS. MARBLE TOLD ME THAT'S NOT GOOD ENGLISH IN THIRD GRADE.
I THINK WE'RE MISSING SOME WORDS THERE.
NOW MS. MARBLE I THOUGHT WAS A VERY GOOD TEACHER IN THIRD GRADE.
AND REMEMBER, THIS IS OUR ORDINANCE, AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE CONFIDENT.
I WANT TO GET THE ENGLISH RIGHT.
YOU WOULD BE VERY DISAPPOINTED IN ME IF WE APPROVED THAT ENGLISH.
THAT DOESN'T FOLLOW THE KING'S ENGLISH AT TIMES.
BUT I THINK SOMETHING WAS CUT AND PASTE WRONG.
SO IS IT NO MORE THAN 350 AND NO LESS THAN 100? THE WAY I READ IT WAS, IT'S LIKE YOUR NORMAL, LIKE IF YOU APPLY FOR IT, THE BUFFER IS 350, BUT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WILL ALLOW YOU TO GO UP NO LESS THAN 100.
I THINK 350 IS THE STANDARD, AND THEN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WILL HAVE DISCRETION.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO APPLY FOR.
THEY'RE GOING TO APPLY FOR THE MINIMUM.
BUT IF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CAN REFUSE IT.
IT'S LEAVING OUT THE ASSUMPTION THAT THERE'S A GREATER AMOUNT THAN $350,000.
I KIND OF CUT AND PASTE EXACTLY HOW IT WAS.
DO YOU WANT TO REMOVE IT ALTOGETHER? WELL, LET THE VARIANCE COME.
PUT THE MAXIMUM, AND THEN THAT'S A CONDITION THAT THE SUPERVISOR WILL AGREE TO.
RIGHT SENTENCE AFTER THE COMMA YOU DON'T DON'T GIVE THEM TO OPTIONS RIGHT I JUST READ IT MORE THAN 10 TIMES YEAH THAT'S THAT'S WHY I SAID I GUESS IT JUST TRYING TO GIVE HIM SOME WIGGLE ROOM TO WE DON'T LIKE WE DON'T LIKE WE COME ALL RIGHT OKAY.
TAKE THE LINE OUT AFTER 350 FEET.
AND IT COULD BE, MR. RAY, YOU WERE COMBINING LANGUAGES FROM BOTH, OR I DIDN'T READ BOTH OF THE ORDINANCES THAT PARTICULAR, BUT IT COULD BE YOU WERE TRYING TO COPY BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.
YEAH, AND IT'S GOT TO GO IN M1, AND WE HAVE A, WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF M1.
SO I WOULD EXPECT WE'RE GOING TO GET A REZONING M1 AND THEN RIGHT BEHIND IT.
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND THEN TO CHANGE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD BE THREE STEPS FORWARD.
WHICH IS GOOD BECAUSE THAT WAY WE HAVE THE CONTROL.
SO YOU WANT ME TO PUT A PERIOD BEHIND, AFTER 350 FEET, PERIOD, AND THEN SQUIGGLE OUT THE REST OF THAT SENTENCE? OR SCRAP THE REST OF THAT SENTENCE? THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN IS TWO SETBACKS IN ONE PARAGRAPH.
ONE FROM RESIDENTIAL AND IT'S ONE FROM THE ROAD.
BUT THEN IT GIVES THE, OR IT'S TRYING TO GIVE THE LEGAL NAME, AND IT DOESN'T SPELL OUT TO WHICH ONE.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM, IS IT DOESN'T DEFINE IT.
BUT, SO BOTH OF THESE, THE 500 FEET FROM A DWELLING, THAT'S NOT...
THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM AND WE WOULD NEVER ALLOW IT TO BE CLOSER THAN THAT ANYWAY.
AND THEN 100 FEET FROM THE PUBLIC ROAD.
SO IT'S SET BACK 50 FEET FROM THE FENCE AND AN ADDITIONAL 300 FOOT FROM ROADS.
SO 350 FOOT FROM THE ROAD, 500 FEET FROM A HOUSE.
AT THE TIME OF THE CEP APPROVAL,
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WHEN WOULD THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS EVER WANT TO BE ANY LESS THAN EITHER OF THOSE? NEVER.WOULDN'T IT BE BEST TO JUST TAKE THAT OUT? YEAH, JUST AFTER THE CEP APPROVAL, THE BOARD JUST TAKES OUT EVERYTHING AFTER THAT.
AND THAT GETS US BACK IN LINE WITH THIRD GRADE.
300-FOOT, JUST SO I'M CLEAR, 300-FOOT SETBACK FROM ALL PUBLIC ROAD PROPERTY LINES AND THEN ALL EQUIPMENT.
AT LEAST 500 FOOT FROM THE DWELLING.
I MEAN I THINK, I DON'T THINK THAT'S OVERLY RESTRICTIVE.
I KNOW FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS AT N1, I DON'T.
AND I THINK THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD LIKE THAT, RIGHT? KEEP THE FIRST FOUR LINES.
TAKE EVERYTHING ELSE OUT? AND SCRATCH TO REST.
IS THAT, I'M JUST, I'M TALKING OUT LOUD, IS THAT, IS THAT AGREEABLE TO EVERYBODY? DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT? I MEAN, I COULD DO THAT.
MR. MAYNARD? I'M SITTING HERE TRYING TO CONTEMPLATE WHY WE HAVE A DWELLING CLOSE TO ANY ONE AREA.
IF YOU GOT RESIDENTIAL AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THAT, THE ZONING CHANGE LINE HAS TO HAPPEN SOMEWHERE.
AND IF IT HAPPENS TO BE WITH...
OKAY, SO I CAN TAKE OUT THE REST OF THAT AFTER CUP APPROVAL? I THINK THERE COULD BE ANOTHER STEP, A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGE, THAT COULD BE DONE IN SOME INSTANCES.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF SAFEGUARDS HERE.
ON THE COUNTY ATTORNEY PORTION, ON THE NEXT PAGE, I LOOKED AND LOOKED AND LOOKED AND COULD NOT FIND SECTION 18-678A. OH, OKAY, ADDITIONAL SUBMISSION REQUIREMENTS.
GOING BACK TO THE ZONING, I'M SORRY, GOING BACK TO THE UTILITY SCALE, SOLAR, THAT'S WHAT THAT IS.
SO I THINK THERE MUST BE A TYPO IN IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT WAS TRYING TO GO.
I'LL RESEARCH, VERIFY, AND UPDATE THE NUMBER.
BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THE SAME THING UP TOP HERE, THIS OTHER RIGHT ABOVE WHERE YOU JUST MENTIONED IN THIS SECTION 16-628.
WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT BUFFER THINGS IN THE PARAGRAPH YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT SAYS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MAY MODIFY THE SETBACKS AS IT DEEMS NECESSARY TO ENSURE ADEQUATE BUFFER YARDS.
SO WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IT THERE.
ANYTHING ELSE? SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, WE DO USE KNOX BOX.
I HAVE TO FOLLOW UP WITH OUR VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENTS.
IN THIS CASE, I THINK IT'LL BE...
DOES THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAVE IT OR DOES THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE CARE TO KEEP IT? FIRE DEPARTMENT.
SO WHERE IT SAYS KNOX FOX, GO DOWN TO ITEM E AND TOWARDS THE END.
WHAT PAGE ARE WE ON? I'M SORRY.
POST-CONSTRUCTION NOISE STUDY.
AND THEN, SO IT GOES DOWN AND IT TALKS ABOUT THE NOISE STUDY PREPARED BY LICENSED PE.
AND THEN THE POST-CONSTRUCTION NOISE MITIGATION MEASURES, WHICH ARE CERTIFIED BY COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA LICENSED PE.
IT'S REALLY KIND OF SAYING THE SAME THING TWICE IN A ROW.
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OKAY, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THERE.IF THE POST-CONSTRUCTION NOISE MITIGATION MEASURES, IT'LL TAKE OUT ONE OF THESE SENTENCES HERE, TAKE OUT THIS SECOND ONE.
I THINK IT JUST SAYS WHO'S GOING TO DO THE STUDY.
AND THEN IT FOLLOWS UP WITH HIM CERTIFYING.
THAT KEEPS THEM GOING OUT AND HIRING THEIR OWN GUY TO DO IT.
DID I MISUNDERSTAND? THEY WOULD BE DOING THEIR OWN GUY.
WHOEVER'S SUBMITTING TO US, THEY WOULD SUBMIT THAT NOISE STUDY PREPARED BY US.
IT HAS TO BE A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL WITH THE STATE, WHICH MEANS THEY COULDN'T HIRE SOMEBODY FRIENDLY TO THEIR CAUSE, AND THAT WASN'T.
YEAH, SO THEY WOULD HIRE THEIR ENGINEER TO DO THAT STUDY.
AND THEN THE NEXT LINE IS THE POST-CONSTRUCTION NOISE MITIGATION MEASURES, WHICH ARE CERTIFIED BY A LICENSED PE.
YEAH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IT WOULD BE OFFICIAL BY CERTAIN STANDARDS.
RIGHT, AND THEN REAGAN NORMALLY DEALS WITH THAT.
THE NEXT PAGE, ITEM J, DOES NOT EXIST.
IT'S JUST THE WORD LINE IS PART OF THE PARAGRAPH ABOVE IT.
THE NEXT, OR SKIP TWO PAGES, RESPONSE, OR ITEM E, RESPONSE CONSIDERATION SIMILAR TO A SAFETY DATA SHEET, NOT DATE SHEET.
YOU KNOW, I JUST FOUND AN ERROR RIGHT ABOVE WHERE YOU JUST SAID ITEM J.
RIGHT ABOVE THAT, IT SAYS SECTION 31-608C, ALL OF THAT, THAT'S NOT OUR ORDINANCE.
TABLE 608-1, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING FROM ALBA WHITE ORDINANCE.
I'D HAVE TO REDO THE WORDING HERE IN ACCORDANCE WITH SOMETHING, OR I COULD JUST MAKE THAT A PERIOD RIGHT THERE.
IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION BLAH BLAH BLAH, ALL THAT NEEDS TO EITHER BE REWORDED OR TAKEN OUT ALTOGETHER.
I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD, MR. CLAUDE.
CAN WE MOVE AHEAD TO ITEM J? IT'S AT THE VERY TOP OF THE PAGE.
IT'S FINANCIAL ASSURANCE BASED ON THE ESTIMATED COST FOR DECOMMISSIONING.
SO THE PARAGRAPHS ARE LETTERED A, B, J.
OH, OKAY, I SEE YOU SAYING A, B, C.
UNDER JIII, FINAL SITE INSPECTION APPROVAL OF THE DECOMMISSIONED SITE BY THE DIRECTOR.
SO WE JUST NEED TO SPELL OUT WHO THAT IS.
IT'S JUST GOT TO BE ONE CORRECT.
OKAY, SO THE DIRECTOR, I CAN SEE,
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BY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.AND THEN COMING ON DOWN TO A COUPLE MORE PARAGRAPHS TO ITEM A, ABOUT MIDWAY, QUALITY OF LIFE IN SUFFOLK.
WELL, SO IT GOES TO J AND THEN IT GOES TO A.
AND THEN, BUT THAT WHOLE PARAGRAPH, EVEN THOUGH IT SAYS SUFFOLK IN IT, I'M NOT SURE I LIKE THAT WHOLE PARAGRAPH.
YEAH, I THINK THEY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE COLD ZONES.
TRYING TO HAVE SOME KIND OF DISTANCE BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS OR HAVE SOME SEPARATION BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS AND SAY, FOR INSTANCE.
THE SOLAR PROJECT, OR SOLAR, IF IT'S COMBINED WITH A SOLAR UTILITY SCALE, WHATEVER KIND OF SOLAR PROJECT, HAVE SOME AREA AROUND IT.
YEAH, JUST HAVE A CLEAR ZONE THAT THEY CALL THE COLD ZONE.
AND SOME FIRE DEPARTMENTS CALL IT A COLLAPSE ZONE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT.
SO THEY'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT.
THERE'S SOME DISTANCE BETWEEN OTHER ITEMS AND THE BUILDING THAT'S ON FIRE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW.
BUT TALKING ABOUT THE COLD ZONE AND IN BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS ON THE PROPERTY, BUT IT SAYS IT'S 200 FEET OF PROPERTY LINES.
RIGHT, AND THEN BACK HERE WE HAD A DIFFERENT...
YOU'RE NOT SAYING BETWEEN STRUCTURES, YOU'RE SAYING FROM PROPERTY LINES.
OH, FROM PROPERTY LINES, OKAY.
SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO WHAT YOU SAY, WE PROBABLY NEED TO REWORD THAT AND NOT HAVE PROPERTY LINES AND SETBACKS.
DISTANCE BETWEEN BUILDINGS OR HOWEVER YOU'RE GOING TO WORD THAT.
NOW, IN YOUR REVIEW, YOU WILL GO THROUGH NFPA REQUIREMENTS, WHICH THEY HAVE ALL OF THOSE SETBACKS AND COLD ZONES.
SO THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD BE BEST JUST TO REMOVE THAT WHOLE PARAGRAPH AND RELY ON NFPA IN THE SITE PLAN REVIEW.
WE SHOULD DO A GLOBAL SEARCH FOR SUFFOLK, ILOY, CITY, AND ANYTIME THOSE WORDS ARE FOUND, FIX THEM.
ON THE NEXT PAGE, THERE'S TRANSFER OF OWNERSHIP, AND THE OWNER SHALL NOTIFY THE DIRECTOR.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRANSFER OF OWNERSHIP OF PROPERTY.
IN MY MIND, IT JUST FELT BETTER TO ME THAT THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR IS NOTIFIED AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WOULD THEN NOTIFY BOARD SUPERVISORS.
AND THEN DOWN THREE OR FOUR MORE PARAGRAPHS.
BIII, PHASE 2, AND THE COMPUTER GOT YOU.
ENVIRONMENTAL SITE ASSESSMENT SUBMITTED TO SOUTH HAMPTON COUNTY.
HOW ABOUT THE B ABOVE THAT? WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY? CITY ATTORNEY.
YEAH, I SKIPPED OVER A BUNCH OF THOSE.
THE TOP OF THE PAGE TOO SAYS CITY STANDARDS.
NEED TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE A LITTLE BIT.
YEAH, IT'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH A LITTLE MORE FINE-TUNED COLUMN.
ALL RIGHT, DOWN IN NUMBER TWO, LANDSCAPE AND BUFFERING, I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE TWO CAME FROM, BUT IF YOU GO DOWN ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX LINES TO REDUCE VISUAL IMPACTS OF THE SOLAR PANELS, JUST KIND OF DRUG IN.
SO IF WE JUST REMOVE THE WORDS SOLAR PANELS AND...
YEAH, WE'RE BACK IN THE BLACK.
SO I UNDERSTAND IT'S A COPY FROM BEFORE, BUT...
AND THEN IF YOU GO TO THE VERY LAST LINE, SOLAR INSTALLATION, IF YOU JUST DROP THE WORD SOLAR.
ALRIGHT, AND THEN THE NEXT PAGE...
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A THIRD OF THE WAY DOWN.THE PLANTING OF NON-NATIVE PLANT SPECIES IS DISCOURAGED.
IF NON-NATIVE SPECIES MUST BE UTILIZED, WHICH I CAN'T IMAGINE WHY THEY WOULD, SUCH PLANTING SHALL NOT CONSTITUTE MORE THAN 25 PERCENT OF ALL NEW PLANTINGS UNLESS THE LANDSCAPE DESIGN PROFESSIONAL DETERMINES ADDITIONAL NON-NATIVE PLANTINGS ARE NECESSARY TO MEET THE DESIRED BUFFER STANDARDS.
I'M NOT A LANDSCAPE ARBORIST BY ANY MEANS, BUT TO ME, IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, YOU CAN PUT IN LOBLOLLY PINES FOR NEXT TO NOTHING, AND YOU ARE IN THE NATIVE PLANT SPECIES.
YOU WOULD NEVER, IN MY MIND, NEED TO EVEN HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO NON-NATIVE.
A SAWTOOTH OAK IS A NON-NATIVE SPECIES AND BUT THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL YEAH GLOBAL SO YOU SEE SO AND THEN WHAT IF AND I DID ONE PROJECT I THINK YOU WERE HERE RIGHT YEAH UM THEY DID NOT HAVE CREPE MYRTLES RIGHT SO I HAD TO GET A NON-NATIVE SPECIES AND THEN THE NEXT YEAR I PULLED THEM ALL UP AND GOT GREAT MYRTLES BECAUSE I LIKE CREPE MYRTLE RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY OFFICE SO BUT I HAD TO GET PASSED, BETH WAS ON ME ABOUT PUTTING SOMETHING THERE AND I'M LIKE THEY HAVE NO CRAPE MYRRHS.
CAN I JUST WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR? OH NO.
YOU GOTTA PUT SOMETHING IN THERE.
THERE SHOULD BE A WAIVER FOR THAT THOUGH.
I HAD TO BUY TWO DIFFERENT, I HAD TO BUY A NINE SPECIES, BUT PINECREST TIMBER HAS SAWTOOTH OAK.
THEY'RE NOT NATIVE, BUT THEY'RE PRETTY OAK.
OKAY, SO WE'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT LIKE, YOU KNOW BRINGING, YOU KNOW, BUT A SAWTOOTH OAK IS PRETTY.
AND WE'LL LIVE HERE, BUT IT'S NOT NATIVE.
AND I THINK WHEN WE DID THIS LANDSCAPE BUFFERING.
WE WERE LEAVING IT WITH THE OPTION BECAUSE SOME THINGS AREN'T AVAILABLE AT CERTAIN TIMES OF YEAR WHEN THESE PROJECTS ARE DONE.
AND MR. PRINCE HAS A LIST OF APPROVED AND UNAPPROVED PLANTINGS IN THE SITE PLAN.
AND I COULDN'T BELIEVE THEY HAD NO CRAPE MYRTLES.
I MEAN, WHAT WORLD DO WE LIVE IN? BUT THERE WAS SOME DISEASE, AND IT WAS DURING THE SUMMER, AND I TRIED FOUR DIFFERENT LANDSCAPING, AND NOBODY COULD FIND THEM.
YOU THINK IT'S ALL AVAILABLE AND SOMETIMES IT'S NOT.
AT THE END OF THAT, I DIDN'T NOTICE ANYWHERE IN HERE WHERE WE FORCED THE REPLACEMENT DUE TO DROUGHT OF PLANT MATERIAL.
IT NEEDS TO BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE APPLICANT SLASH OWNER.
WHERE ARE YOU AT? I'M ADDING THAT IN.
AT THE END OF INSECTS ARE NOT IN THE MATERIAL.
AND THEN I WANTED TO ADD IN, REPLACEMENT DUE TO DROUGHT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE APPLICANT OWNER.
AND THE REASON I'M BRINGING THAT UP IS THE SOLAR FARM ON 460, THEY PUT 10 MILLION TREES DOWN 460, AND EVERY ONE OF THEM DIED THAT SUMMER.
AND I KNOW THAT THE SUFFOLK CITY COUNCIL HAD A HARD TIME GETTING THEM TO COME BACK AND PLANT TREES.
THAT'S WHY WE HAD THAT BOND IN PLACE RIGHT HERE.
HOWEVER, YEAH, BECAUSE WHAT THE SOLAR FARM SAID WAS YOU GUYS ALREADY SIGNED OFF ON THEM.
WELL, WE EXPECTED THEM TO LIVE.
THAT'S WHY SOMETIMES WE KEEP THIS BOND RIGHT HERE.
ADDITIONAL 50,000 LANDSCAPE BONDS SHALL BE SUBMITTED.
THAT REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT.
LANDSCAPING FOR THE ENTIRE PROJECT INSTALLED AND VERIFICATION BY THE LANDSCAPE DESIGN PROFESSIONAL YOU KNOW BLAH BLAH BLAH BUT BUT WE DO ALWAYS MAKE SURE THERE'S A BOND IN PLACE THAT'S WHAT WE DID FOR THE AND ALSO NOW IF YOU GO ON DOWN A LITTLE FURTHER IT MENTIONS ABOUT THE FIRST IT'S ACCORDING TO THE FIRST PLANTING SEASON BUT I I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED YES TO MAKE SURE IT SURVIVES YES AND I THINK THAT'S THE WAY THE SOLAR IS I THINK I KNOW THEY HAVE REPLANTED IT.
ISN'T THIS A COPY OF THE SOLAR? OH, YES.
WHAT WAS THAT? OH, I THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT THE SOLAR.
ALL RIGHT, SO GO TO THE NEXT PAGE, ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
SECOND LINE, EXCEPT IN AREAS WHERE PANELS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WORD WE WOULD REPLACE THAT WITH.
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I WOULD SAY JUST TAKE THAT OUT.I WOULD SAY CLEAR CUTTING AND GRADING OF THE DEVELOPMENT ZONE SHALL BE PROHIBITED EXCEPT IN AREAS WHERE INTERNAL PATHS AND EQUIPMENT ARE TO BE INSTALLED.
WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE BUILDING.
ALL RIGHT, IF WE GO DOWN ABOUT MIDWAY NOW, AND THIS ONE'S NOT A PART OF THIS CHANGE, BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ALL SITE DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE PERFORMED IN PHASES, NOT MORE THAN 50% OF THE LAND IS DISTURB AREAS.
WE NEED TO KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN WE GO ON TO DATA CENTERS.
THEY'RE SO BIG, YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO WANT TO SPELL OUT SOMETHING IN THAT ORDINANCE.
ABOUT HOW HOW MUCH THEY CAN DISTURB AT A TIME SITE SPECIFIC PLANS SHALL BE PREPARED A DASH D.
OH THE VERY LAST PARAGRAPH THE THIRD LINE UP PROHIBITED ON SOLAR EQUIPMENT I THINK WE COULD JUST TAKE OUT ONE SOLAR EQUIPMENT AND IT WORKS.
WHAT WAS THE OTHER ONE YOU MENTIONED? THREE LINES UP FROM THE BOTTOM.
PANEL IS IN THE D, THE LAST LINE.
ON THE NEXT PAGE, ITEM NUMBER SIX FOR HEIGHT.
THE INTENT OF THAT WAS FOR THE PANELS.
YEAH, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE FOR 35 FEET, I THINK.
YES, I MEAN THE HEIGHT SHOULD BE NO MORE THAN 35 FEET INSTEAD OF 18.
I MEAN FOR THE PANELS, YOU'RE RIGHT.
SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BATTERY STORAGE, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE, I'M ASSUMING ALL THIS IS ALWAYS INDOORS, WOULDN'T YOUR BUILDING CODE ALREADY COVER THAT? YEAH, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO PUT SOME KIND OF RESTRICTION ON THE HEIGHT.
THE BUILDING CODE WILL DO WHAT IT DOES AS FAR AS INTERNAL, THAT TYPE OF THING.
I DON'T THINK IT SPEAKS TO THE HEIGHT IN THAT ZONE.
BUT IN THIS CASE, FOR THIS ZONE, FOR THIS APPLICATION, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO HAVE THE HEIGHT IN HERE.
YEAH, WE DON'T WANT TO PUT TWO STORIES.
SO WOULD IT BE EASIER JUST TO HEIGHT AND THEN REFERENCE SOUTH HAMPTON COUNTY BUILDING CODE? YEAH, OKAY.
I'D RATHER JUST SPELL IT OUT LIKE IT IS.
IT SAYS RIGHT HERE, DON'T REFERENCE ANYTHING.
WHY MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT TO LOOK AT? WELL, WE...
I MEAN, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO IT.
I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S THE HEIGHT, THAT'S IT.
WELL, I KNOW IT WOULD BE TALLER THAN 18 FEET.
WELL, LET'S JUST ADDRESS THE HEIGHT AND LET IT BE.
I'M LIKE YOU, I THINK THAT'S REFERRING TO THE PANELS, BUT 35 FEET IS THE BUILDING CODE.
JUST LEAVE THAT STAMP FOR ITSELF.
IT SHALL NOT EXCEED 18 FEET IN HEIGHT.
AND THEN THE VERY LAST PARAGRAPH, AND THIS IS KIND OF FOR EVERYBODY TO, SO WE'VE GOT, CONSTRUCTION SHALL COMMENCE WITHIN 12 MONTHS FROM DATE OF APPROVAL OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
THAT'S THE DEFINITION OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
BUT I'VE GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
REAGAN, IF I, SO IF I COME GET A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THAT'S WHAT GIVES ME PERMISSION
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TO BEGIN A SITE PLAN.SO I SEND MY SURVEYORS OUT TO DO TOPO.
LET'S SAY WE'RE DOING A FIVE-ACRE SITE.
SO TO GET THAT TOPO BACK INTO A USABLE FORM IN FRONT OF AN ENGINEER IS GOING TO TAKE THREE WEEKS.
AND THIS IS IF NOTHING GOES WRONG.
THAT ENGINEER, BASED ON HIS SCHEDULE, IS GOING TO TAKE FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS.
TO CREATE THAT PLAN AND SUBMIT IT.
REAGAN WILL REVIEW IT FOR A MONTH.
THE ENGINEER WILL REPAIR IT FOR A MONTH.
REAGAN WILL REVIEW IT FOR A LITTLE LESS THAN A MONTH.
HE'LL REPAIR IT FOR A LITTLE LESS THAN A MONTH.
REAGAN HOPEFULLY THEN WILL APPROVE IT IN ABOUT A HALF A MONTH, BECAUSE WHATEVER FINAL CHANGES ARE.
SO IF CONSTRUCTION HAS TO COMMENCE IN 12 MONTHS, AND JUST THE NORMAL PROCESS OF CREATING A PLAN AND GETTING IT APPROVED TAKES ABOUT 12 MONTHS.
WELL, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE THE CONDITION YOU PERMIT.
AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO DO THAT.
I THINK THE WAY IT'S BEEN DONE IS THAT, YES, GRANTED, YOU HAVE THE 12 MONTHS KIND OF REQUIREMENT THERE TO COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES...
IT TAKES MORE TIME, BUT I THINK WHAT MY OTHER PREDECESSORS HAVE BEEN DOING IS THAT SO LONG AS YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING WITH THE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'S DESIGN CURRENTLY UNDERWAY, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN SHOW WHERE, OKAY, YES, THEY'VE GOT THE NECESSARY INFORMATION TO PROCEED WITH THE DESIGN, THEN YOU'RE OKAY.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE STILL ACTIVELY DOING SOMETHING ON THE PROJECT.
THE SITE WORK, YOU'RE PUTTING UP SILT FENCE, DOING SOMETHING THAT SHOWS THAT YOU'RE MAKING SOME PROGRESS.
BUT IF YOU WANT TO EXTEND THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE, SAY 24 MONTHS.
I THINK THAT'S GOING TO OPEN UP A CAN OF WORMS FOR OTHER PROJECTS, NOT JUST INCLUDING THIS ONE.
I THINK IF THAT'S THE COUNTY THING, IT NEEDS TO STAY CONSISTENT.
AND THAT'S WHY I SAID I WANTED EVERYBODY TO TALK ABOUT IT.
SO IT USED TO BE 15 YEARS AGO, IF YOU CALLED ME UP AND SAID, HEY, JACK, I WANT TO DO A SITE PLAN AND BUILD A 7-ELEVEN.
YOU'LL HAVE YOUR BUILDING PERMIT IN SIX MONTHS.
BUT I NOW HAVE TO TELL THEM IT'LL TAKE OVER A YEAR TO GET YOUR BUILDING PERMIT.
YOU KNOW, THIS 12 MONTHS IS A HOLDOVER FROM 30 YEARS AGO.
MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING WE MIGHT WANT TO, YOU KNOW, IF SOUTH HAMPTON COUNTY IS OPEN TO DEVELOPMENT, MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD START THINKING ABOUT, MAYBE MAKING AN ADJUSTMENT THERE.
WELL, WE'VE HAD TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE ALLOWANCES FOR, LIKE SAY, FOR INSTANCE, IF WE GO BACK TO COVID, WE HAD TO FOR PROJECTS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN APPROVED DURING THE COVID TIME OR ERA, WE'VE HAD TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS FOR THAT BECAUSE OF COVID.
MANUFACTURING AND THINGS THAT REQUIRE PRODUCTION, LIKE METAL BUILDINGS, THEY MAY HAVE BEEN BEHIND.
SO LONG AS THERE WAS SOME COMMUNICATION BETWEEN, SAY, THE APPLICANT AND THE DIRECTOR TO DEMONSTRATE, HEY, I'M MAKING A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO, THIS IS MY SITUATION.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER OR THE APPLICANT IN THAT REGARD.
SO THEY'RE AWARE OF THIS 12 MONTHS, BUT SOMETIMES WE JUST HAVE TO DO A GOOD FAITH.
OKAY, LET'S, I KNOW YOUR SITUATION.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S DEMONSTRATED AROUND THE COUNTRY, YOU KNOW.
LOGISTICS ISSUES THAT WE HAD DURING UH DURING THE COVID WHATEVER SO ON AND SO FORTH BUT WE WORK WITH PEOPLE SO WE'VE ALWAYS JUST LEFT IT AT 12 AND WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT AS LONG AS YOU CONTACT US AND LET US KNOW WHAT THE SITUATION IS WE'RE OKAY YOU KNOW OKAY BUT DOESN'T YOUR LAST TWO SENTENCES ON THAT PAGE ADDRESS THE VERY THING YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT YES GRANT AN EXTENSION BASED ON SATISFACTORY EVIDENCE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROCEEDED IN GOOD FAITH YEP.
HOW IS EVERYBODY? IF EVERYBODY'S PROVING GOOD FAITH, THEN IT GIVES YOU A LEG TO STAND ON.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOUR LAST TWO SENTENCES ADDRESS.
AND IT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT, CASE IN POINT, THE HOME FOR HEROES
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PROJECT I TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK.THEY'RE DOING GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO DO THINGS.
THEY'RE LETTING ME KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING.
AND SO, GRANTED THEY HAD A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT A WHILE BACK.
YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THINGS ARE GOING, PRESSING FORWARD.
I'VE TALKED WITH THE ENGINEER THAT HAS ALL THE INFORMATION THAT'S CURRENTLY DOING THE DESIGN WORK.
AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE THERE'S THAT STATEMENT ABOUT ANCILLARY NON-SOLAR COLLECT...
YOU PROBABLY JUST NEED TO REWORD THAT A LITTLE BIT.
OH, YEAH, THEY PUT SOME FANCY THINGS IN THERE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY, THANK YOU.
ON PAGE ONE, AND I'M SORRY I SKIPPED OVER THESE, BE IT ORDAINED AT THE VERY END OF THAT, SECTION 18.737 THROUGH 18- OH, YEAH, YEAH, THANK YOU.
I MEANT TO GO BACK AND DO 747.
YEAH, I WOULD IMAGINE YOU WERE FALLING ASLEEP.
AND THEN GO DOWN TO THE NEXT PARAGRAPH, 18.737, THE USE OF BROWNSFIELD.
THE CORRECT TERM IS BROWNFIELD, NO S.
AND IS THAT ONE WORD? YES, BROWNFIELD.
AND I USE MARGINALLY PRODUCTIVE LAND INSTEAD OF POOR SOILS, YOU KNOW, SO I TRY TO CHANGE IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
IS THAT AN INDUSTRY TERM FOR FARMING? MARGINALLY PRODUCTIVE LAND.
INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING, OH, SOME OF THE POOR SOILS ARE...
WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE? I'M GOING TO ASK MY FELLOW AGRICULTURAL SPECIALISTS OVER HERE.
I'VE HEARD OF LOW PRODUCTIVE LAND, BUT...
IT'S NOT CATEGORIZED SO FAR AS IF YOU'RE SELLING OR BUYING OR RENTING, LEASING.
IT'S CROPLAND VERSUS PASTURE LAND OR WOODED LAND.
AND WE DO, I GUESS IF YOU'RE PURCHASING LAND, YOU'LL BE CAREFUL OF THE WETLANDS OR YOU'RE GOING TO GET INTO DISTURBANCE.
FROM AGRICULTURAL FARMING, YOU COULD HAVE PRIME FARMLAND ON A 10-ACRE PARCEL, AND TWO ACRES COULD BE DEEP SAND, WHICH WOULD BE NOT AS MARGINAL.
SO YEAH, I GUESS IT COULD BE USED, I RECKON, BUT IT'S LIKE THIS.
IT'S LIKE AT THE SOLAR FACILITY COMING UP OVER.
AT THE SHADYBROOK AREA, YEAH, THAT WAS IN A RECLAIMED AREA.
LIKE I SAID, I'VE GOTTEN GRAVEL SAND OUT OF THAT SAME, I NEED TO GO AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
I HAVE NOT DONE THAT YET, BUT IF IT'S BEHIND THAT SHOP, THAT WAS A BAR OF THIS.
AND THEY RECLAIMED, I DIDN'T KNOW YOU COULD.
I GUESS YOU CAN FARM RECLAIMED LAND MR. MAYNE, IS THAT RIGHT? CAN YOU FARM OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE IN VEGETATION? I SHOULDN'T ASK THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW THAT MIGHT BE A LEGAL THING.
BUT ANYWAY, IF THAT WAS TENDED, THAT ACREAGE, BECAUSE I KNOW THE GUY USED TO PLANT SOYBEANS ON IT AND COTTON.
I KNOW THE FARMER USED TO WORK THAT LAND.
SO THAT ACREAGE IS GOING TO BE CONSIDERED CROP LAND WHEN YOU DO THE ADJUSTMENTS ON THE ACREAGE FOR SOLAR.
THAT WOULD COME OUT OF THE CROPLAND CATEGORY.
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WELL, NO, THAT WOULD BE CROPLAND.THE ACREAGE WAS CERTIFIED THROUGH THE FSA OFFICE.
WELL, IF YOU THINK THIS TERM IS GOOD FOR THIS...
DO WE NEED TO COME BACK TO APPROVE? NO.
IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK ON THE 21ST.
I DON'T REALLY WANT TO, BUT...
WELL, I THINK WITH CORRECTIONS...
WELL, I KNOW WE'VE GOT TO WAIT FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.
I MEAN, FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THEY NEED SOME SORT OF ENDORSEMENT FROM US.
I THINK, AND UNLIKE YOU, I DON'T WANT TO COME BACK EITHER, BUT I THINK THE COUNTY ATTORNEY NEEDS TO MAKE HIS COMMENTS, IF ANY.
THEN WE NEED TO SEE IT AS THE DRAFT GOING FORWARD TO THE BOARD.
COULD WE ASK, PLEASE, WITH SUGAR ON TOP, FOR HIM TO LOOK AT IT BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING? OH, YES.
WE HAVE TO HAVE IT DONE BY THE 21ST. RIGHT.
IT HAS TO COME TO THE BOARD AT THE END OF THIS MONTH FOR A FIRST READING, AND THAT WILL COME FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING IN JUNE.
CAN WE APPROVE IT SUBJECT TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S COMMENTS? WELL, MY FEELING IS THIS.
I'VE HAD A COUPLE OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, AND I'VE TALKED TO THE PRIOR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR ABOUT HAVING NO DISRESPECT.
JACK, BUT TO HAVE SOMEONE PRESENT AT OUR MEETINGS, FOR GUIDANCE, BUT HE IS EMPLOYED.
SO I WOULD THINK IF THIS IS NEEDED, HE NEEDS TO ACT.
HE CAME TO A CALL MEETING LAST YEAR.
OH, HE DID? LIKE A FEW DAYS NOTICE.
THAT WAS A FEW DAYS NOTICE TOO.
HE HAD TO BREAK SOME OF THE FORM.
THAT WAS A MID-AFTERNOON MEETING.
SO BELIEVE ME, HE MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THAT.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IT.
AND WE'RE ASKING, WE'RE REQUESTING THAT HE LOOK AT IT BEFORE NEXT WEEK.
AND YOU WILL MAKE THE NECESSARY CORRECTIONS, I THINK YOU'LL MAKE THE NOTES TONIGHT, FOR US TO VIEW IT.
SO I GUESS, AND I'M WILLING TO DO WHAT THIS BOARD INSTRUCTS ME TO DO, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO COME BACK AND SEE IT IN THE DRAFT.
IT'S GOING TO BE PRESENTED AND IT SHOULD BE A SHORT MEETING, BUT MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S INTACT.
SO WHEN SUPERVISORS GET IT, IT WILL NOT BE ANY CHANGES MADE UNLESS THEY WANT TO MAKE CHANGES.
SEE, WE GOT TO HAVE IT VOTED ON BEFORE THE 21ST OR BY THE 21ST? BY THE 21ST.
WHEN DO YOU HAVE TO GO INTO PAPER? WE HAVE TO HAVE IT FINALIZED, SEND IT TO THE BOARD, VOTE YES ON THE 21ST, BY THE 21ST TO THE BOARD.
THE BOARD WILL GET IT FOR THE FIRST READING IN MAY, AND THEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE VOTE IN JUNE.
WAS IT THE 21ST OR 20TH? I'M NOT SURE.
THAT'S ALL BEEN ARRANGED THROUGH YOUR DEPARTMENT AND THE ADMINISTRATOR'S OFFICE, CORRECT? YES.
NOW, WE DO NOT CLOSE OUR MEETING TONIGHT, SO WE CAN JUST COME BACK THE 20TH OR THE 21ST, CORRECT? WE ALREADY HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO YOU GOT IT ADVERTISED? NO, IT WON'T BE A PUBLIC HEARING FROM THIS NIGHT.
WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THE ISSUE TO A NEW DATE, SO I THINK WE NEED A MOTION AND A VOTE TO CONTINUE THE MEETING.
TO DO THE, YES, TO CONTINUE THE MEETING.
BUT MY QUESTION, TOO, IS IF WE CONTINUE THE MEETING AND WE MEET THE 20TH OR THE 21ST, I GUESS WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE HITTING THE RIGHT TIME.
BUT ONCE WE DO THAT, IS IT ENOUGH TIME TO ADVERTISE FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, OR WE DON'T NEED TO ADVERTISE IT? ...TO SEND IT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
I KNOW THAT EMAIL CAME IN, BUT...
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IT LOOKS LIKE WHAT THE PROCEDURE WAS THAT WE DO NOT.THIS IS THE PROCEDURE MS. LOWE DREW UP FOR US.
WE CAN OKAY IT TONIGHT, IT GOES TO THE BOARD FOR A FIRST READING AT THE END OF THIS MONTH.
IF WE DON'T OKAY IT TONIGHT, WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND FIX IT FINALLY ON THE 21ST.
AND THE BOARD WILL HAVE THEIR FIRST READING.
AND THEN IT WILL BE ADVERTISED FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING IN JUNE.
YEAH, AND MS. LOWE ADDRESSES IT IN THE EMAIL.
AND SHE SAYS, IF THE DRAFT IS NOT APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON MAY 14TH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL NEED TO CALL A SPECIAL MEETING TO FINISH UP THE ORDINANCE ON THURSDAY, MAY 21ST.
SO WAS THIS SENT TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY? AND MY QUESTION IS...
I TAKE IT THAT WAS OFFICIAL, YES.
SO IT IS SHORT NOTICE, BUT IS THAT DOABLE TO COME BACK? SO WHEN ARE WE COMING? NEXT THURSDAY.
WE COULD GO AHEAD AND OKAY IT TONIGHT.
THE COUNTY ATTORNEY DOESN'T LIKE IT.
WHEN'S THE BOARD MEETING? YOU COULD CALL.
IF HE LIKES IT, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING.
WHAT, HOW ABOUT THE LANGUAGE CHANGES? DO YOU THINK WE NEED TO SEE THAT? I DON'T THINK WE WOULD OVERRIDE WHAT HE WOULD RECOMMEND ANYWAY.
SO IN MY OPINION, I WOULD JUST SAY APPROVE IT PENDING THE ADDITIONS OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.
THAT'S JUST MY OPINION, WHERE WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK ON THE 21ST.
IF THERE SHOULD BE A HANG-UP, THEN YOU WOULD CALL A SPECIAL MEETING.
COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, I DISAGREE WITH THAT.
NO DISRESPECT, MR. PRIMP, BUT JUST MAKE SURE THAT THE CORRECTIONS ARE MADE.
I THINK WE NEED TO SEE THE FINAL COPY IN FRONT OF US TO ADOPT IT.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IN THAT CASE, WE NEED TO CALL A MEETING FOR THE 24TH.
I'D LIKE TO SEE IT FINALIZED BEFORE WE SEND IT FORWARD.
SHOULD I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONTINUE? WAIT, LET ME GET MY LANGUAGE.
THAT WE WE WE CONTINUE THIS MEETING THUS A SPECIAL MEETING FOR THE SOUTH AMITY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION TO FINISH UP UM THE ORDINANCE ON THURSDAY MAY 21ST 2026 AT 7 7 THAT WOULD BE MY NOW, UM...
AND YOU HAVE THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO HAVE HIS COMMENTS ON OR BEFORE THAT SPECIFIC DATE OF MAY 21ST, 2026.
SO WE MAKE NECESSARY ADJUSTMENTS IF NEEDED.
WE WANT HIS COMMENTS AT THE MEETING, IN WRITING OR IN PERSON.
THIS WILL BE THE SOLE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING IS THE AGENDA AT HAND, NOTHING ELSE.
IS THERE ANY OTHER THING YOU NEED TO COVER? THIS WILL BE A CONTINUANCE OF THIS MEETING.
BUT IT WILL STILL BE A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING.
CAN WE CLOSE THIS MEETING TONIGHT? NO, DON'T CLOSE IT TONIGHT.
AND IT'S DOING A SPECIAL CALL MEETING.
I'LL ADVERTISE IT RIGHT HERE AT THE FRONT ENTRANCE OF THE BUILDING.
WELL, I'M SURE IT'S FOLLOWED UP.
I TRUST HER, BUT MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS COVERED.
WHO WOULD THAT BE CALLED? I THINK BY US CONTINUING THE MEETING, WE'VE NOTIFIED THE PUBLIC THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE MEETING.
RIGHT, IT'S NOT A NEW MEETING.
ANY OTHER STIPULATIONS FOR LAST FOR THAT SECOND? ARE WE COVERING ALL THE BASES? YOU ALWAYS MAKE IT KIND OF HARD FOR ME TO MAKE IT NOT A SIMPLE TASK.
IF NOT, I WILL ASK FOR A SECOND TO THE MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS MEETING NEXT THURSDAY AT 7 O'CLOCK.
NOW, IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF CONTINUING THIS MEETING FOR ONE WEEK, SAY AYE.
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IT IS UNANIMOUS.AND AGAIN, MR. REAGAN, WE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU AND YOUR STAFF HAVE DONE.
I THINK THE CONTENT, THE MECHANISM, I THINK WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
I KNOW COMBINING TWO AND THREE ORDINANCES, I CAN'T, I REMEMBER READING THE MINUTES, I'M CONFUSED.
I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU AND YOUR STAFF HAVE DONE.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS KIND OF WHAT I CALL THE FAST TRACK.
[8. MEETING SCHEDULE]
I THINK IT'S NEXT TO THAT.I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU ALL NEXT WEEK.
MR. FRENCH, COULD YOU EMAIL US JUST WITH THAT AGENDA THE DAY BEFORE? YES.
IF YOU HAVE THE FINAL DRAFT, LIKE THE COUNTY ATTORNEY GETS BACK AND YOU PUT IT ALL TOGETHER, IF YOU CAN EMAIL THAT COPY ALSO.
I'LL CONTACT MS. LOWE TOMORROW AND MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS OKAY.
YEAH, JUST LIKE IF YOU HAVE THE FINAL DRAFT, IF YOU COULD EMAIL IT BEFORE TO ME SO WE CAN KIND OF LOOK THROUGH IT.
INSTEAD OF IT BEING LIKE FRESH.
IT DOES TAKE A WHILE TO READ IT.
I WILL GET THAT DONE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
WELL, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME IN THE MAKING.
I APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S DUE DILIGENCE.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO CONFRONT US AT SOME POINT.
I THINK IT'S THE BEST TO BE AHEAD OF THE GAME.
REMEMBER, WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND MAKE CHANGES AS NECESSARY, BUT IT'S GOOD TO HAVE AN OUTLINE IN PLACE.
AND THAT WOULD BE MY NEXT HOPEFUL THAT AS SOON AS WE GET THIS ADDRESSED.
COME BACK AND GET ON THE DATA CENTER.
AND WE ALREADY GOT A GOOD PLAN.
WELL, I FEEL THE TEAM HAS DONE A GREAT JOB IN TAKING A VERY COMPLEX ISSUE AND TRYING TO BRING SOMETHING SOLID FOR US IN THE SHORT TIME FRAME.
AND AS COMPLEX AS THE ISSUE WAS.
IN OUR EYES LAID ON TOP OF THEIR EYES, WE HAD NUMEROUS EDITORIAL EDITS THAT WE NEED TO DO.
AND THERE'S NO TELLING, EVEN WITH OUR COLLECTORS LOOKING AT IT, WHAT THE ATTORNEY IS GOING TO FLAG.
BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A JUST THROW-TOGETHER ITEM AND EVERYTHING, BECAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO COVER YOURSELF FROM MULTITUDES OF...
I CAN GUARANTEE YOU IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY MORE WELL READ THAN WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS DONE.
I'LL GO BACK TO MR. RANDALL'S REMARKS EARLIER.
THERE IS A CONTINUITY BETWEEN THIS AND NOW SOLAR, WHICH IS, IT GOES BACK TO THAT RENEWABLE ENERGY TOPIC THAT WE HAD IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH MS. LEWIS, AND THE SAME THING WITH DATA.
I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP THAT SAME, YOU KNOW...
THE ATTRIBUTES THAT WE ARE CONTRIBUTING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, OUR COUNTY AGENDA MAY BE HERE.
IT'S KIND OF DIFFERENT FROM A METRO AGENDA.
YOU KNOW, I THINK ABOUT MORE DEVELOPED METRO AREAS.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GETTING ALL THESE VARIANCES FOR THIS LITTLE TRIANGLE OF LAND.
YOU KNOW, TRY TO PUT SOMETHING ON IT.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE OUR OPEN SPACE.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT AGENDA.
SO AS LONG AS WE'RE KEEPING IT ON THE SAME WAVELENGTH, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM.
BUT IF YOU DO SOMETHING ABRUPT, THEN IT LOOKS LIKE YOU PAY A FAVORITISM TO ONE SIDE OR ANOTHER AS LONG AS YOU'VE GOT THE SAME PATHS, YOU KNOW.
YEAH, BECAUSE AS I WAS ADVISED EARLIER BY MY ASTUTE CLIENT OVER HERE, AS FAR AS ME.
NOT RENDERING LEGAL OPINIONS THROUGH THE AI ASSISTANCE, BUT AS WE'VE BEEN SITTING THERE GOING THROUGH IT, THE AI HAS REALLY CHERRY-PICKED THROUGH THIS DOCUMENT AND FLAGGED NUMEROUS INSTANCES THAT, OVER 90% OF THEM THAT WE HAVE ADDRESSED HERE, BUT THERE ARE OTHER ONES OUT THERE.
BUT I HAVE TO HOLD THAT THOUGHT.
ALL RIGHT, SO MOVING RIGHT ALONG.
NO OTHER NEW BUSINESS? ANY OTHER NEW BUSINESS? JUST SIMPLE.
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THROUGH THE PROCESS OF WORKING ON THEIR DATA CENTER ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW.SO JUST KIND OF KEEP AN EYE OUT, AND I'LL SEE IF I CAN FIND ANYTHING AND BRING IT IN.
ANYTHING NEW, MR. REAGAN, WE TALKED BEFORE, ANYTHING COME ACROSS YOUR DESK, YOU CAN SHARE IT WITH US.
YOU NEED TO HEAR ALL SIDES OF IT.
OH, YES, LIKE I SAID, I HAVE A DATA CENTER APPLICATION THAT POPPED UP.
IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, AND THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH VDOT ON THEIR TRAFFIC TIA REPORT THAT'S REQUIRED.
SO I'M LIKE, OKAY, YOU GUYS JUST KIND OF POP THIS UP HERE.
NEVERTHELESS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S COMING UP AS WELL.
THE SYNERGY PROJECT IS COMING UP AS WELL.
THAT SOLAR PROJECT IS THE ONE ON 671 THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED BEFORE.
THAT'S BEHIND ROBERT WHITE'S PROPERTY, OR CROWDER AND WHITE'S PROPERTY.
AND THEN ANOTHER SOLAR PROJECT IS ON...
I'M HEARING RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM VDOT OFFICES ON ROUTE 35.
THAT'S ANOTHER SOLAR COMBINATION, SOLAR BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE PROJECT THAT'S THERE.
NO, I'M SORRY, I TAKE THAT BACK.
THAT'S JUST NOT THE SOLAR PROJECT.
IS THAT WITHIN A MILE OF TOWN LIMITS OF CORTLAND? I THINK IT'S BEYOND A MILE OF CORTLAND.
YEAH, THEY GOT A NICE MAP AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT SHOWS THE DISTANCES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT IT IS BEYOND A MILE OF A QUARTER.
BUT THOSE ARE SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING UP LATER THIS YEAR.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER PIECE THAT'S GOING TO BE FARMLAND.
IS THAT THE AREA I'M TALKING ABOUT? IT IS.
IS THAT THE OPEN LAND? IT'S THE OPEN LAND BEHIND THOSE HOMES THAT ARE ON THE PERIMETER OF THAT PARCEL.
AND THAT PROJECT HAS POPPED UP.
YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO START...
YOU'VE GOT THE MOST, WELL, I GUESS YOU ARE WORKING ON THE MOST CURRENT NUMBERS.
THE PERCENTAGES OF FARMLAND VERSUS...
THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THOSE NUMBERS.
INFORM THEM THAT THEY NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS AND HAVE THEM READY.
I WOULD, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GETTING APPLICATIONS, JUST A THOUGHT, YOU MIGHT NEED TO GO THROUGH THE ORDINANCE AND FIX YOU A CHECKLIST OF THINGS YOU NEED TO BE LOOKING FOR.
BECAUSE A LOT OF POINTS HAVE BEEN MET.
IN THE ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, JUST NOT OVERLOOKING IT, BECAUSE WE'RE ASKING YOU AND YOUR DEPARTMENT TO BE SURE EVERYTHING IS FOLLOWED THROUGH WITH.
FROM LANDSCAPING TO, LIKE I SAID, I'M SURPRISED TAKING TWO YEARS WITH TRAFFIC JUST FOR A TRAFFIC STUDY FOR A DATA CENTER.
WELL, THEY ALSO COULD BE IN LINE FOR THE INTERCONNECTION, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY HAVE TO.
AND TWO, THEY MAY ALSO BE WORKING ON THE INTERCONNECTION AGREEMENT, ANYTHING RELATED TO THE ELECTRICITY DESIGNED FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE CORRESPONDING POWER THAT'S NEEDED FOR THE DATA CENTERS.
SO IT TAKES A WHILE TO GET IN LINE FOR THE INTERCONNECTION AGREEMENT FOR THAT.
SO THAT'S PROBABLY ANOTHER THING.
IT TOOK A WHILE FOR THAT TO HAPPEN.
CAN WE GET THESE CHANGES TO MR. GREGORY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE? YES, YES.
I'LL BE WORKING ON THIS TOMORROW.
CALL TOMORROW AND TELL THEM WHAT'S GOING ON.
OH YES, I'LL BE WORKING ON THIS TOMORROW.
GET THIS DONE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
SO WHEN THAT FINALLY DOES MAKE IT BEFORE US, IT'S GOING TO BE A MOUNTAIN OF PAPER.
IS IT PROPER FOR YOU TO FEED US INFORMATION AS IT'S SUBMITTED? DO YOU HAVE THE TIME TO REVIEW IT AS WE GO? I PREFER TO DO IT ALL AT ONCE BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE IT TO ME. SO THAT'S HOW WE HAVE TO KIND OF ACT ON IT.
BUT DEFINITELY I'LL BE GIVING THAT TO YOU WAY, WAY EARLY IN ADVANCE. I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG VOLUME OF WORK.
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YEARS AGO. THAT WAS LIKE MS. LEWIS LEFT. YEAH. SHE'S BEEN SITTING ON THE DESK. YOU JUST RAN ACROSS IT OR SOMEONE NOTICED YOU? YEAH, THEY JUST EMAILED ME TO ME YESTERDAY.COME ON. SO YOU WENT LOOKING FOR IT? NO, I DIDN'T GO LOOKING. NO, SIR. YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT. THEY SENT ME AN EMAIL. I JUST LOOKED AT MY EMAIL AND I'M LIKE, OKAY, THERE IT IS. SAME THING WITH THE RENEWABLE ENERGY ONE ON ROUTE 35 BEHIND A CROSS STREET FROM VDOT. THEY JUST SHOWED UP, THEY CALLED ME AND SAID, HEY, REMEMBER US? NO. BUT YOU'VE GOT DOCUMENTATION THAT WAS FILED.
YES, I DO HAVE DOCUMENTATION THAT WAS FILED UNDER BART KNUCKLES. WE'VE HAD SOME REALLY SHORTFALLS IN THAT OFFICE WITH THAT TEMPORARY INCREASE.
YEAH, WELL. LIKE I SAID, THEY... WE SAW THAT GUY BUT ONE TIME. IT WAS HIS LAST NIGHT HERE. RIGHT. YOU DIDN'T SEE HIM VERY OFTEN. SO, YES.
SO, IT WAS JUST A... I HOPE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
NO, NO. I DON'T THINK SO. I DON'T LIKE SURPRISES EITHER.
RIGHT. THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO AT LEAST TELL YOU WHAT'S COMING UP, YOU KNOW, IN ADVANCE. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE ADJOURN? THEN WE'RE NOT ADJOURNED. WE'RE MEMORIZING THE THESIS. THANK YOU, MR. MANN. THANK YOU. YOU HIT ME OFF THE FLOOR. I'M SORRY. ALL RIGHT. BEFORE WE DISMISS, I'LL GET IT RIGHT. ALL RIGHT? WELL, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO TELL YOU ALL I'M GLAD TO BE BACK IN HERE, AND I WAS NOT GOING TO LET MY DISTRICT DOWN, AND I'M ALWAYS GOING TO BE IN THE ROOM WHERE IT HAPPENS AS LONG AS I GOT THE HELP TO GET HERE. AND I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU ALL. WEST VIRGINIA AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. GLAD TO HAVE YOU BACK. YEAH, GLAD TO HAVE YOU BACK. BACK OF THE BLOCK. I GOT ONE OTHER REMARK.
I WANNA THANK EACH ONE OF YOU TONIGHT. YOU ALL DIDN'T ASK ME ABOUT MY LITTLE HAT I HAVE ON TONIGHT. I KNOW YOU ALL SEEN IT, BUT I HAD ON. SKIN CANCER REMOVED THIS WEEK AND I HAD TO WEAR IT ONE MORE DAY.
BUT I TOLD MY WIFE, I'M NOT GOING TO GO TONIGHT. I'LL TELL YOU ABOUT IT. SHE SAID, NOBODY'S GOING TO SAY ANYTHING.
BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE A KID GOING TO SCHOOL, THEY WOULD TEASE YOU, RIGHT? BUT Y'ALL DIDN'T TEASE ME TONIGHT. FOR A MINUTE I THOUGHT MAYBE YOU CONVERTED TO JUDAISM. I THOUGHT I HAD TO EXPLAIN IT. BUT LOOK, YOUR LITTLE THING DON'T FEEL BAD.
YOU'RE NOT WEARING IT. I DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE. BE CAREFUL GETTING ABOVE, SAY, TWO FEET. I DON'T WANT YOU TO FALL. ALL RIGHT, WE'LL BE DISMISSED THEN. THANK YOU ALL. Y'ALL HAVE A SAFE TRIP HOME. SEE YOU NEXT WEEK. 7 O'CLOCK THURSDAY. 7 O'CLOCK.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.