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ALL RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO CALL THE APRIL 9TH MEETING OF THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION
[1. CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL]
TO ORDER. I'M GOING TO ASK, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, IF EVERYONE WOULD STAND AND WE WILL PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO OUR FLAG.I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO REMAIN STANDING. I WILL HAVE A SHORT INVOCATION.
JOIN ME IF YOU'D LIKE. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE GIVE THANKS FOR THIS DAY.
LORD, FOR ALL THE BLESSINGS YOU GIVE TO US EACH DAY.
AND FOR THIS WONDERFUL COUNTRY LORD THAT WE LIVE IN.
AND WE JUST ASK THAT YOU PRAY FOR OUR NATION AND ALL NATIONS.
LORD. AS TO. THE WORLD IS EXPERIENCING TURMOIL AND WE JUST ASK THAT WE ARE ALL YOUR CHILDREN AND YOU BRING PEACE TO ALL NATIONS. BE WITH US, LORD, AS WE CONDUCT OUR MEETINGS TONIGHT, WE'RE THANKFUL FOR ALL THOSE WHO HAVE COME OUT AND FOR THE ONES THAT ARE PARTICIPATING IN THE MEETING TONIGHT, THAT WE HAVE A FRUITFUL MEETING THAT WILL BE PLEASING TO YOU.
AND UPON THE COMPLETION OF THIS MEETING TONIGHT, WE ASK YOU TO BE WITH US AS WE GO TO OUR RESPECTIVE WAYS, TO OUR HOMES. KEEP US SAFE. ALL THINGS WE ASK YOUR SON'S NAME, JESUS CHRIST.
AMEN. YOU MAY BE SEATED. I'D LIKE TO WELCOME MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. AND THEN FOR OUR GUESTS WHO ARE HERE TONIGHT AND OUR REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
SO WE'RE VERY INFORMAL. WE MAY ASK YOU TO COME UP LATER TO SPEAK, BUT WE JUST, WE JUST REGULAR FOLKS, JUST LIKE YOU ARE. OKAY. SO WELCOME HERE TONIGHT.
SO WE HAVE OUR AGENDA AND IT LOOKS LIKE EVERYBODY HAS THEIR PACKETS IN FRONT OF THEM.
AND I'M GOING TO FIRST OF ALL, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I'M GOING TO, I'M GOING TO CALL THE ROLE, IF I MAY, JUST FOR THE RECORD, AND I WILL GO IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER EXCEPT MYSELF.
MR.. CLAUDE PRESIDENT. DOCTOR. EDWARDS HERE. MR..
MANN. HERE YOU GO, MR. RANDALL. RANDALL. I THINK HE'S WITH HIS WIFE AND NEW CHILD THIS EVENING.
OH MR. TURNER HERE, MR. RECORD HERE AND MR. DRAKE AND I'M HERE.
[2. ORGANIZATIONAL MATTERS]
GOING DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER TWO IN YOUR PACKET, YOU WILL SEE REFERENCE THAT AT THE LAST BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING THAT MR. RANDALL AND MR. MANN WERE REAPPOINTED TO DEATH RESPECTIVE DISTRICTS.DID THEY SERVE? AND WE CAN WE CONGRATULATE THEM AND WELCOME, WELCOME THEM BACK FOR ANOTHER TENURE.
AND BOTH OF THEM HAVE DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB AND APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE.
[3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
OKAY. ITEM NUMBER THREE WILL BE THE APPROVAL OF THE.MINUTES. IF YOU NOTICED, WE HAVE TWO SETS OF MINUTES.
WE'RE VOTING ON TONIGHT. ONE SET WAS THE FEBRUARY 12TH MINUTES, SO WE'LL GO FOR THAT FIRST.
I HOPE YOU HAD TIME TO READ THROUGH THEM. IS THERE ANY CORRECTIONS OR ADDITIONS OR ANY OTHER COMMENTS? MOTION TO APPROVE. I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. HAVE A PROPER SECOND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? IF NONE, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED FOR FEBRUARY 12TH MEETING, SAY AYE.
ALL OPPOSED? LIKE SIGN. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. NOW WE'LL SKIP OVER TO THE MARCH 12TH MINUTES, WHICH WAS OUR LAST MEETING. AND AGAIN, IS THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS OR COMMENTS?
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IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE.I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. HAVE A PROPER SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE AGAIN. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
AYE. ANY OPPOSED? LIKE SIGN? IT CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
WE'LL MOVE DOWN NOW TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD FOR THE ONES IN OUR AUDIENCE TONIGHT.
WE WILL CERTAINLY CARRY THAT MESSAGE FORWARD TO THE RESPECTIVE AGENCY OR BODY EXCEPT FOR THE ISSUE AT HAND. IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE'RE GOING TO WAIT TILL THE PUBLIC HEARING. BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE ON YOUR MIND, YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME FORWARD. SO I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD THROUGH YOUR PROCEDURE.
SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD, JUST ASK YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
ANYTHING ELSE? NO. IT'S OKAY. IF NOT, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. MOVING RIGHT ALONG. ITEM NUMBER FIVE WILL BE OUR FIRST, FIRST AND ONLY
[5. PUBLIC HEARINGS]
PUBLIC HEARING AS A MATTER OF FACT. SO WE HAVE A A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION TONIGHT.AND I'M GOING TO ASK IF MR. PRINCE, IF HE WOULD LIKE TO READ THAT STATEMENT, PLEASE.
YES, YES, MR. CHAIRMAN. OUR FIRST WELL, OUR PUBLIC HEARING FOR TONIGHT IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
2020 601 APPLICATION BY STEPHANIE LAURIA FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR K9 TRAINING FACILITY.
BUCKS DOG TRAINING. PROVIDES THEY PROVIDE DOG TRAINING SERVICES, GENERAL LESSONS, DOG TRAINING AND AGILITY TRAINING IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE.
SECTION 18 DASH 37, ITEMS NINE AND 21. THE PROPERTY, ZONED AGRICULTURAL A1, IS LOCATED AT 34 577 MONROE ROAD. TAX PARCEL 115 DASH 18 H.
THE PARCEL IS IN THE SOUTHEAST VOTING DISTRICT AND THE BLACKWATER RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
I KNOW THE THE COMMISSION COMMISSIONERS DIDN'T HAVE SOME INFORMATION IN THEIR IN THEIR PACKETS.
I KNOW I JUST PASSED OUT SOME OF THE, THE APPLICATION WITH THE SITE PLAN IN THE BACK.
THIS, THIS. ONE OF THE STRENGTHS OF THE, WELL, THIS PROJECT IN GENERAL, THIS IS WHERE THE THE OWNER, THE CURRENT OWNERS, I GUESS, PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY A FEW YEARS AGO.
AND, AND FROM THE LONG TERM RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY AND NOW CONVERTING SOME OF THE BUILDINGS FOR DOG TRAINING SERVICES. AND I THINK IT'S A WELCOME ADDITION OR A VERY WELCOME REUSE OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURES. I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN STRENGTHS OF THIS APPLICATION.
EVERYBODY KIND OF KNOWS PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY KNOW THE CURRENT OWNERS AND HAVE BROUGHT THEIR DOGS AND ANIMALS TO THEM FOR VARIOUS REASONS. I MEAN, FOR TRAINING SERVICES.
THAT'S CORRECT. SO THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE BIG STRENGTHS OF THIS APPLICATION.
THE SITE PLAN IS THE SECOND TO LAST PAGE OF THE APPLICATION.
IT SHOWS THE EXISTING BARN. THEY'RE GOING TO BE CONVERTING THAT TO A KENNEL SPACE AS WELL.
SO THERE'S NO OUR BIG IMPROVEMENT OF THE SITE.
NO REAL ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC INVOLVED. BECAUSE THAT IS DROP OFF SERVICE FOR THIS PARTICULAR BUSINESS WORKING HOURS STRICTLY LIKE 8 TO 5 OR 9 TO 5 ON THE THE OPERATION HOURS AND THEY'RE REUSING THE ACTUAL EXISTING
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CABIN FOR OFFICE SPACE. SO IT STILL BLENDS IN WITH THE COMMUNITY AND AND EXISTING SURROUNDINGS.IT'S A 18.7 ACRE SITE. NO ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS ARE PLANNED FOR, YOU KNOW, THE FOR THIS BUSINESS. IS THAT CORRECT? JUST REHABBING WHAT'S EXISTING, WHAT'S THERE? OKAY. AND OF THE 18.377 ACRES, ONLY 2.54 IS ACTUALLY BEING USED FOR THE FOR THE BUSINESS. SO THAT WOULD ENTAIL SOME OF WHAT THE, THE BUSINESS OPERATIONS ARE OKAY, BUT THEY MAY EXPAND ON SOME OF THAT.
OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. PRINCE. I KIND OF GOT AHEAD OF MYSELF.
LET'S JUST PAUSE RIGHT THERE FOR A SECOND. I KNEW WE RECEIVED INFORMATION TONIGHT THAT DID NOT COME IN THE PACKET. IS EVERYBODY COMFORTABLE GOING FORWARD? ARE YOU LIKE I SAID, THE BUSINESS HAS BEEN THERE, I THINK, SEVERAL YEARS NOW.
RIGHT. ARE YOU COMFORTABLE GOING FORWARD? I DO HAVE A CONCERN WITH THE PROFFERS OR SOME OF THE INFORMATION YOU MENTIONED ABOUT TWO 2.6 ACRES COULD BE USED.
I DON'T I DON'T SEE THAT RECORDED. AND THEN THE HOURS OF OPERATION.
SOME OF THOSE PARTICULARS WILL COME OUT THAT I WANT TO BE SURE.
WE'LL NOTE IT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT I DIDN'T SEE THE HOURS, BUT THE 2.54 ACRES IS ON THE SITE PLAN.
IT'S ON THE SITE PLAN. SITE PLAN? OKAY. YEAH. THE ONE IN RED ABOUT DEAD CENTER SAYS TOTAL KENNEL LAND USE, 2.54 ACRES. YES. THANK YOU. WHAT EXACTLY ARE THE PROFFERS? I WAS HOLDING JUST A SECOND. JUST. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.
SO ARE WE OKAY? ON THIS WAY. MR. MANN PROCEEDING.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE. BEEN ADVERTISED PROPERLY EVEN THOUGH THE PACKET WAS NOT COMPLETED.
IT DID. IT IS ON OUR DESK NOW. ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH SEATING? WE GOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK THEM ANY QUESTIONS, SO.
YES, I'LL GO ALONG WITH IT. THE REST OF THEM.
ALL RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED ON WITH THE HEARING.
SO IS IT IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MISTER PRINCE BEFORE WE OPEN THE HEARING? I HAVE ONE, YES, MA'AM. DID YOU RECEIVE ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE NEIGHBORS? NONE. NO FEEDBACK AT ALL. ALL RIGHT. AND MRS. ALSTON, IT IT IS IN MY DISTRICT. THE SITE AND I'VE HEARD NO OF NO ISSUES. IN FACT, I'VE HEARD A LOT OF POSITIVE COMMENTS.
OKAY. SO JUST JUST ELABORATE ON THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU.
OKAY. IF THERE'S NO MR.. YOU GOT A QUESTION? NO COMMENT.
ALL RIGHT. IF THERE'S NO OTHER I GOT A QUESTION HERE ON THAT PHOTOCOPY LIKE THAT ONE.
IS THAT A IS THAT A RESIDENCE THAT'S ACROSS THE ROAD THERE? THERE'S NO RESIDENCE IN THAT 2.54 ACRES. NO SIR.
OKAY. I MEAN THERE'S NO THERE'S EXISTING HOMES ON THE SITE THEY'RE REUSING FOR OFFICE SPACE.
IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SHEET. OKAY. SO THERE'S, THERE'S NOBODY NOBODY LIVING IN ON THE 2.54 ACRES.
WELL, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY, THEY, THEY LIVE THERE ON SITE.
CORRECT. OKAY. SO YES, THIS IS CURRENT CURRENT RESIDENT RIGHT THERE.
OKAY. HOW ABOUT THIS ONE RIGHT HERE? OH, NOBODY.
I MEAN, SOMEBODY LIVES HERE. YES, SOMEBODY. BUT A LETTER WAS SENT TO THEM.
CAN I ASK ONE OF ONE OF YOU TO COME FORWARD? EITHER ONE OF YOU. I GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU. YES, MA'AM. YOUR FIRST NAME? STEPHANIE LAURIER. YES, GOOD EVENING.
GOOD EVENING TO YOU. THE, I CALL IT DWELLING ACROSS THE ROAD.
ACROSS THE ROAD IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE, THE DRIVEWAY AND ALL.
IS THAT IS THAT ABANDONED? YES. ABANDONED. THAT'S AN OLD.
YES. AN OLD HOUSE, RIGHT? YES. SO THAT'S THE THAT HOUSE IS ABANDONED.
IT IS A LOT THERE. THAT'S A VERY, VERY OLD HOUSE.
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I GO BY STATESVILLE ROAD ALL THE TIME. I DON'T COME BY MONROE IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE, BUT I SHOULD KNOW THAT.IT'S A GROUP OF HOUSES ALONG THAT. THAT'S CORRECT. BY THE DARDEN'S FARM.
THAT'S CORRECT. BUT THAT'S A WOODED AREA. CORRECT.
GREAT BUFFER ZONE BETWEEN THAT. OKAY. ALRIGHT.
YOU STAY RIGHT WHERE YOU AT, MAN? ALL RIGHT. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE BEFORE WE OPEN THE HEARING? OKAY. IF NOT, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO AT THIS TIME, IF YOU YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO SHARE, LIKE, LIKE, JUST GIVE US A LITTLE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT YOU DO, HOW YOU DO IT AND WHO YOU WHO DO YOU SERVE? YES, SIR. MY PLEASURE. THE ONES THAT DON'T KNOW, BUT BUT AGAIN, THANK YOU AND WELCOME TONIGHT.
I'M A RETIRED NEW YORK CITY SPECIAL ED TEACHER.
I'M A RETIRED DIVISION ONE SOFTBALL PLAYER. I'M A RETIRED UMPIRE.
I'M A RETIRED A LOT OF THINGS. AND WE DECIDED TO COME TO THIS LOVELY COUNTY AND TRAIN DOGS AND WE LOVE DOGS AND WE LOVE HELPING PEOPLE.
OUR VISION IS TO HELP, PARTICULARLY VETERANS, GET SERVICE DOGS.
AND WE DIDN'T EXPECT IT TO BE THIS GREAT, BUT IT'S TURNING OUT TO BE VERY GREAT.
GOOD, GOOD. WAS THAT TOO MUCH? OKAY, GREAT. HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN IN BUSINESS? WE MOVED HERE FOUR YEARS AGO. MARCH 15TH WAS OUR FOUR YEAR.
DID YOU HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THEN OR WHAT WAS GOING ON THEN? NOW THAT YOU'RE COMING FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. TONIGHT, WE SLOWLY WE'RE DOING LESSONS OUT IN THE WORLD, IN THE COMMUNITY. WE STARTED TO GET BIGGER AND BIGGER.
AND SO THE FARM BECAME A PLACE WHERE WE COULD DO OFF LEASH RECALL, LEASH MANNERS SAFELY.
AND SO OVER TIME, LIKE I SAID, WE DIDN'T EXPECT FOR IT.
YOU'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR YEARS AND YOU DIDN'T HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO BE IN BUSINESS FOR FOUR YEARS, CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT. SO WHAT LED TO YOU COMING TONIGHT TO GET A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT? AS I SAID, WE ARE GETTING WE JUST GOT APPROVED FOR A FEDERAL GRANT TO HELP VETERANS. WE ARE GETTING BIGGER AND BETTER.
SO SO YOU'RE TRYING TO GET IN COMPLIANCE, CORRECT? RIGHT. OKAY, OKAY. ANY QUESTION WITH MISS STEPHANIE.
I'VE JUST GOT ONE. HOW MANY DOGS DO YOU TYPICALLY HAVE ON SITE AT A TIME? GREAT QUESTION. WE KEEP OUR NUMBERS REALLY REASONABLE, SO WE PROBABLY STAY BETWEEN 4 AND 8 DEPENDING ON THE FLOW. WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT IF WE CAN HELP MORE PEOPLE.
AND AGAIN, DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY BY COMING HERE.
WELL, YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE NOT RAISING AND SELLING.
NO. BRING OUR DOG TO YOU. CORRECT. DO DOGS SPEND THE NIGHT THERE OR DO THEY COME AND GO? BOTH. IF WE TRAIN A DOG THAT NEEDS HOME TRAINING THEN THEY WILL STAY.
I ALSO HAVE TRAINERS WHO CAN TAKE DOGS HOME WITH THEM, BUT YEAH, IT DEPENDS.
AND I'M SORRY TO DO IT. TO THE SEWAGE GAS GENERATED BY THE DOG? YEAH. WHAT ARE YOUR. HOW DO YOU COLLECT IT? WHAT DO YOU DO WITH IT? GREAT. SO WE HAVE SEVERAL STATIONS ON PROPERTY.
SO WE HAVE MANY STATIONS WE COLLECTED IMMEDIATELY.
THAT'S ONE OF OUR RULES AND IT DOESN'T SIT ON THE PROPERTY.
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BILLY GOES TO THE DUMP AS OFTEN AS IT'S OPEN AND WE DO USE.YES, SIR. AND I'M PRETTY SURE BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT RULES.
THAT'S OKAY. WHEN YOU'RE WASHING DOWN THE KENNEL AREA, WHERE DOES THAT RUNOFF WATER GO? SO OUR INDOOR AREAS, WE DO NOT SPRAY IT DOWN AND HAVE IT GO INTO THE GROUND.
WE ACTUALLY CLEAN IT UP AND DISPOSE OF IT. OKAY, SO YOU'RE MORE OF A MOPPING OPERATION.
LESS THAN A HOSE? EXACTLY. OKAY. SO I'M SORRY. REAGAN. SO ONCE THEY GET THIS, DO THEY HAVE TO GO FOR A SITE PLAN APPROVAL TO GET THE NO, THEY GO ONCE THEY GET THIS APPROVAL, THEY ARE CLEARED TO GET THEIR BUSINESS LICENSE THROUGH THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE.
ALL RIGHT. THIS WOULD SERVE AS THEIR SITE PLAN IF NEEDED.
SO HOW MANY DOGS DO YOU HOPE TO GET? HOW BIG DO YOU HOPE TO GROW? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I, AND I DON'T MEAN TO BE VAGUE, BUT FOR US, OUR PRIDE IS IN THE QUALITY OF THE WORK AND BEING ABLE TO BOND WITH THE DOGS AND GET AMAZING RESULTS. I WOULD SAY EVENTUALLY UNDER 20 WOULD PROBABLY BE A SPOT WHERE WE WOULD BE BIGGER THAN WE ARE NOW, BUT NOT EXORBITANT.
SO THE REASON I'M ASKING IS IF I'M DOING A VETERINARY CLINIC OR SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE, AND THEN THEY, THEY HAVE HEALTH DEPARTMENT REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET.
RIGHT? SO YOU'RE WORKING LIKE UNDER AGRICULTURAL AND IN MY MIND, 5 OR 6 DOGS ON A FARM. NOT THAT BIG A DEAL. ONCE YOU GET UP AROUND 20, THOUGH, THAT'S A KIND OF A CONCENTRATED.
POLLUTANT LOAD. AND AND SO. NOT HAVING TO GO THROUGH FURTHER ENGINEERING REVIEW.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CRAMP FOR ME. YEAH. AND THAT THAT'S FAIR.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE BECAUSE FOR ME THE ACTUALLY FEWER IS BETTER.
WE GET TO DO THE GREAT CARE. WE GET TO SPEND TIME WITH THE DOGS.
WE GET TO STAY IN A LEVEL WHERE WE CAN MANAGE IT.
AND WE'RE NOT HERE TO TURN INTO SOME, YOU KNOW, BIG ACADEMY.
WE'RE DOING IT BECAUSE MOSTLY IT'S A LABOR OF LOVE.
SO IF WE'RE LIKE, HEY, UNDER 15 IS IS A SWEET SPOT, THEN YOU KNOW, YES.
THEN THE ANSWER IS YES. RIGHT. MR. PRINCE, ARE YOU AWARE? I KNOW WE HAVE THIS IS NOT A KENNEL, BUT I KNOW WE HAVE KENNEL LICENSE.
CORRECT THAT. SOME OF THE CLUBS HAVE TO OBTAIN.
AND THAT'S A IS THAT A IS THAT 20? IS THAT IS THAT.
YEAH. IS THAT THE NUMBER. THEY HAVE INCREMENTS.
ON THE KENNEL ORDINANCE. THEY HAVE 6 TO 20 OR LIKE 15, YOU KNOW, 20 TO 30, YOU KNOW, IT GOES IN INCREMENTS, BUT 6 TO 20 IS THE STARTING POINT.
AND THEN 26 TO 20 IS THAT COME IN ANY TYPE OF INSPECTION OR ANY KIND OF RULING OR JUST JUST A TAX OR A FEE? I THINK IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE ORDINANCE, IT DOES SAY AN ANNUAL INSPECTION IS REQUIRED.
YEAH, IT COULD BE REQUIRED. YES, IT COULD BE A SPOT INSPECTION.
RIGHT. AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THE THING ABOUT IT IS IF IT STAYS THAT SMALLER NUMBER, I DON'T THINK IT'S AN ISSUE. BUT IF VENEZUELA GOT GOOD AND HELP CAME FORWARD AND IT GOT BIGGER, THEN IT COULD BE AN ISSUE, BUT AT THAT POINT YOU JUST COME BACK TO US AGAIN.
SO THAT'S WHY I WANT TO BE SURE WE GOT ALL THE INFORMATION BEFORE US.
SO, MR. PRINCE, I'LL COME BACK TO YOU AGAIN. WHAT DO YOU THINK? THE MAXIMUM NUMBER BEFORE WE FALL IN THAT CATEGORY THAT IT WOULD BE TO BE THAT INSPECTION AND SUCH.
WOULD IT BE THAT UNDER SIX. I THINK THAT THAT 20 WOULD BE ON THE 20.
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IT'S OVER. FIVE IS YOUR FIRST TIER IS AT 6 TO 20 RIGHT.OKAY. THAT'S YOUR THAT'S YOUR FIRST TIER. CORRECT.
OKAY. SIX TO 6 TO 20. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE TRYING TO STAY UNDER THAT.
WELL MR.. LET ME ASK YOU THIS. WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM YOU HAD AT THIS POINT? PROBABLY TEN, BY TEN. SO THERE'VE BEEN NO COMPLAINTS WITH THE TEN? NONE. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND. AND REMIND US.
GRANTED, YOU HAD TEN, BUT THAT'S NOT ALL AT ONE TIME.
CORRECT? IT'S BEEN ROTATING. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
ANY GIVEN TIME, YOU COULD HAVE 15 OR 20, BUT UP TO.
BUT I MEAN YOU COULD HAVE TEN. BUT YOU'RE NOT HAVING TEN ALL THE TIME.
CORRECT? YEAH. AND I'M THINKING ABOUT OVERNIGHT GUESTS.
RIGHT. WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM YOU HAVE FOR OVERNIGHT.
RIGHT. TEN. YEAH. ABOUT TEN. YEAH. JUST STAY.
OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. OKAY.
HOW THE OVERNIGHT PART AND WHAT'S THE TYPICAL LENGTH OF TIME THAT YOU WOULD BOARD YOUR DOGS? IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE. ESPECIALLY LIKE A SERVICE DOG.
IT COULD BE JUST. WE'RE WORKING ON DOOR MANNERS.
SO WE HAVE THEM IN THE CABIN, WHICH YOU GUYS PROBABLY SEE ON THAT SHEET.
SO WE NEED TO HAVE THEM BE ABLE TO GET SOMETHING OFF A COUNTER FOR SOMEBODY WHO'S DISABLED.
SO IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE DOG. SO IT COULD BE OVERNIGHT.
IT COULD BE 2 OR 3 NIGHTS. YOU KNOW, IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT THE DOGS NEED, RIGHT? OKAY. AND WE DO WE DO NOT DO BOARDING. IT IS TOTALLY ASSOCIATED WITH TRAINING.
TRAINING. YEAH. RIGHT. SO THEN THAT'S THE DISTINCTION.
I THINK WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT KENNELS, THE 6 TO 10 OR SIX UNDER 20 OR SOMETHING.
I JUST SEE THIS AS BEING A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM A KENNEL BECAUSE IT'S A TRAINING FACILITY.
RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE. DO WE HAVE ANOTHER OPERATION LIKE THIS IN THE COUNTY? ARE YOU AWARE? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. NOT FOR TRAINING, NOT FOR TRAINING.
I DON'T THINK I KNOW THE MOST OF THE PERMITS.
YOU KNOW THAT I'VE COME ACROSS THERE. YOU KNOW, FOR HUNTING OR THEIR PRIVATE KENNELS WHERE THEY MAY HAVE A SMALL AMOUNT, MAYBE 6 TO 10 DOGS FOR BREEDING TO SELL. CORRECT.
RIGHT THERE FOR BREEDING. THE PRIVATE ONES FOR BREEDING.
THEY HAVE THE HUNTING HUNTING KENNELS OR HUNTING KENNELS FOR HUNTING PURPOSES.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE PRIVATE ONES. AND THEN YOU HAVE YOU HAVE CANINE COMMERCIAL, WHICH THEY.
THAT'S WHERE THIS FALLS UNDER. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, SO WHAT EXACTLY ARE THE PROFITS THAT THAT YOU'VE THAT SHE HAS OFFERED LIKE HOURS OF OPERATION WHEN THE TRACK IS COMING AND LEAVING. RIGHT. SO WHAT ARE THEY.
SO 9 TO 5, YOU KNOW, WE DO NOT HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC AT ALL.
IT'S A DROP OFF. IT'S A PICKUP. ONE CLIENT AT A TIME.
THERE'S NO BIG NEED FOR PARKING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
HOW ABOUT SUNDAY? OPERATE ON SUNDAY. WE DO OPERATE ANY DAY THAT ENDS IN Y.
BECAUSE WE HAVE DOGS ON THE PROPERTY AT TIMES OR PEOPLE COME FOR LESSONS.
SO WE DO OPERATE ON SUNDAY. YES. SO YOU GOT PEOPLE COMING, COMING AND DROPPING OFF OR PICKING UP.
YEAH, WE, WE DO, WE DO TRY TO LIMIT OUR DROP OFF AND PICKUPS ON TUESDAYS TO ALLOW PEOPLE SUNDAY TO DO, BUT SOME FOLKS ONLY HAVE WEEKENDS TO COME OUT TO US.
WELL, WE WALKED THE DOGS IN THE EVENING, BUT IN TERMS OF CLIENTS, WE KEEP IT DURING YOU KNOW, WORKING HOURS. BUT WE'VE NEVER GOTTEN A COMPLAINT ABOUT NOISE OR TRAFFIC OR ANYTHING EVER.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE OPPOSITE ANY OF OUR NEIGHBORS, WE'VE WATCHED THEIR DOGS.
AND IF I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY, YOU SAID THAT YOU HAD TRIED TO PROCURE A GRANT.
AND IN THAT GRANT PROPOSAL, DID YOU SPECIFY THE AMOUNT OF DOGS THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR UPSCALING?
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WE, YOU KNOW, WE THERE'S NO GRANT. WE ARE WORKING ON GETTING BEING, BECOMING A FEDERAL VENDOR WHERE WE CAN HELP VETERANS GET THE PROPER LICENSING. YEAH. OKAY.ONE MORE QUESTION. AND THIS IS THE TRAINING PART OF IT.
THE THE DOGS ARE BEING TRAINED, BUT DO YOU THE OWNERS, ARE THEY INVOLVED IN THE TRAINING ALSO? GREAT QUESTION. SO WE PROVIDE ONGOING SUPPORT.
SO WE DO IT IN THE OWNER'S HOMES. BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE PLACE.
OKAY. BUT WE PROVIDE A LOT OF ONGOING SUPPORT AFTER THE TRAINING.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH. YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT THAT IF YOU'RE TRAINING THE DOG, BUT THAT DOG HAS TO GO HOME. AND I WAS PUTTING MYSELF IN A POSITION OF BEING A DOG OWNER.
I'D HAVE TO BE TRAINED TOO. YOU KNOW, IF WHATEVER YOU'VE DONE TO CHANGE THE BEHAVIOR, THEN YOU WANT TO CARRY IT FORWARD WHEN YOU GO HOME? YES, MA'AM. SO THEREFORE, IT'S AN INTERACTION WITH THE WITH THE OWNERS ALSO.
ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. YOU TOO. AGGRESSIVE DOG TRAINING.
NO. THANK GOODNESS. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. AT THIS POINT IN OUR CAREER, MY CAREER, I GET TO CHOOSE THE TYPE OF DOGS THAT WE HAVE ON PROPERTY. AND SO OUR SPECIALTY IS SERVICE DOGS AND OBEDIENCE LEASH MANNERS RECALL.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT, SO YOU COMING FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT? I WAS LOOKING AT THE APPLICATION HERE UNDER PROPERTY INFORMATION.
IT TALKS ABOUT TOTAL ACREAGE OF THE PARCEL IS 18.7.
BUT THEN IT SAYS AMOUNT OF ABOVE ACREAGE TO BE CONSIDERED IS 15.17.
SO AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT ANOTHER MAP THAT TALKS ABOUT 2.54.
SO THE PURPOSE OF PUTTING IN THE 15.17 IS FOR WHAT PARTICULAR REASON.
RECREATION. JUST ROOM FOR FOR THE DOGS TO PRACTICE RECALL THINGS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
OKAY, SO YOU'RE THINKING THAT. OH, NO, I'M JUST LOOKING AT I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT MYSELF.
YEAH, I GUESS WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT. SO THAT'S LEAVING ABOUT 3.53 ACRES.
THAT 3.53 ACRES IS THAT IS THAT PART OF THE HOUSING OR IS THAT JUST AN AREA ERROR.
THAT'S WOODED, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT DIFFERENCE THERE.
WHERE DOES THAT 3.5 PLUS ACRES KIND OF END UP? I'M NOT SURE. BILLY. DO YOU? YEAH. YES, SIR. IS THAT OKAY? OKAY. YEAH. THAT 3.5 ACRES IS WHAT ACTUALLY ENCOMPASSES THE.
THE KENNEL AT THIS POINT IN TIME TAKES UP THE FRONT PARCEL OF LAND ON THE MAIN STREET SIDE ON THE ONE ONE ROAD. ROAD SIDE. DOES THAT ANSWER? YEAH IT DOES.
IT'S JUST I'M I'M. AND I DON'T MEAN TO BE PICKY.
I'M JUST LOOKING AT SOME OTHER. WE'VE GOT TONIGHT.
WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IT WHEN WE WERE WORKING THIS OUT WAS.
MAYBE IF THINGS GO ALONG GOOD AND WE GET THE FEDERAL GRANTS AND WE GET WHAT WE NEED, FEDERAL, YOU KNOW, CONTRACTS. THINGS COULD GROW BETTER AND BIGGER FOR THE COMMUNITY AND FOR TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, WALKING TRAILS FOR THE COMMUNITY IN, IN A WHOLE FOR THEM TO BRING THEIR DOGS TO WHERE THEY HAVE A BASICALLY A DOG PARK. THAT'S WHERE THAT GOES, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
WELL, YES, IT DOES. AND THANK YOU FOR ELABORATING.
YOUR, YOUR NEIGHBORS AND INFORMATION WE'VE WE'VE GOTTEN TONIGHT IS BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE DOING NOW.
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RIGHT NOW. I THINK I THINK THE PEOPLE IN THAT IN OUR AREA, OUR AREA.I DON'T LIVE THAT FAR FROM YOU. RIGHT. IT'S ALL POSITIVE.
I'VE HEARD. I'VE HEARD NO, THE NEAREST, THE NEAREST FARM OR HOUSE TO OUR 18 ACRES, RIGHT, IS ABOUT SIX ACRES AWAY ON, UP, UP, UP THE MONROE ROAD SIDE.
AND THEN GOING ACROSS THE CAROLINA LINE, WE HAVE ONE THAT'S ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE AWAY.
SO THE SPACING IS IS NOT GOOD UNLESS UNLESS UNLESS, LIKE YOU SAID, THINGS GOT REALLY GOOD AND THE BUSINESS REALLY EXPANDED BECAUSE YOU GOT A LOT OF ACREAGE.
YEAH. IF YOU MIGHT, COULD HAVE YOU MIGHT COULD TRAIN AND HOUSE $50.
UNDERSTOOD. THAT CHANGES A LOT. THAT CHANGED THE SCOPE OF THINGS.
SO WE WANT TO KNOW TONIGHT. WE NEED TO KNOW THAT NUMBER.
NOW, WE SAID EARLIER IT WOULD BE LESS THAN 20 RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S WHAT IT IS. EXACTLY. EXACTLY SIX TO. WAS IT 6 TO 12 26 TO 20.
YEAH. THAT'S THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT IS FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS.
OKAY. I GOT A QUESTION. LET ME JUST MAKE ONE COMMENT.
SO WE ALL KNOW WHAT THEY WERE WHEN IT CAME HERE.
NOW. IT SEEMS TO ME THERE'S STILL A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND A LOT OF IFS AND IFS, AND WE DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THIS HAS COME AROUND.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO GET IT RIGHT. AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE TABLE THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING AND HAVE THEM GET WITH MR. PRINCE AND ADDRESS ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE HAD TONIGHT CONCERNING THESE PROFFERS.
SO LIKE I SAID, I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH THIS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE DONE THIS.
WE NEED TO DO IT RIGHT. AND THAT'S JUST THAT'S JUST MY FEELING.
OKAY. I WILL SAY IN ALL FAIRNESS, THAT'S A GREAT THING TO MAKE SURE EVEN ON THEIR STANDPOINT, NOTHING COMES LATER ON AND BITES THEM. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROTECTS THEM JUST AS MUCH AS IT DOES ANYBODY ELSE.
SO THAT'S A THAT'S A REASONABLE MAYBE MORE SO IN THIS CASE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? JUST SPECIFICALLY, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR HOURS OF OPERATION AND DEFINED DEFINITION OF THE THE PROPERTY AND ACTUALLY WHICH WHAT THE PROPERTY THE EXACT 2.5 ACRES WHAT IT'S BEING USED FOR. RIGHT. AND NOT THE OTHER 15 ACRES.
YEAH. SO WE'RE, WE'RE STARTING TO HIT THIS, RIGHT? I THINK IF THEY GET WITH MISTER PRINCE AND COME IN HERE WITH A LIST OF THOSE THINGS, THERE WON'T BE THAT MANY QUESTIONS AROUND BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT ALL THESE THINGS. EXACTLY WHAT WE SAID. AND THE NUMBER? THE NUMBER OF DOGS RIGHT NOW. THAT BEING SAID, IF.
YOU HAVE A MORE MODERATE NUMBER LIKE THAT. 6 TO 20.
AND THEN LIKE YOU SAID, IN THE FUTURE, IF THINGS GET REALLY GREAT, YOU GET THE GRANT.
YOU GET EXTRA HELP COMING IN. YOU WANT TO EXPAND? YOU JUST COME BACK AND WE MODIFY IT. IF YOU FOLLOW ME.
YEAH. WE JUST IT'S HARD TO JUST WRITE OR OR GRANT THIS REQUEST KIND OF OPEN ENDED. WE NEED A FEW MORE SPECIFICS. NOT TO SAY IT CAN'T BE MODIFIED LATER.
IS THAT A YEAH. I THINK LAURA HAS ONE THING TO SAY.
WHEN WE COME BACK. HOURS OF OPERATION. THE LAND THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY USING.
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WHAT ARE WE USING FOR HOW MUCH? WE WILL STICK TO THAT.AND WHEN WE WANT TO GO ANYTHING BIGGER, WE'LL COME BACK AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
GO AHEAD LAURA. IF WE DO, I'LL JUST. YEAH. SO WE WERE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE LIKE KIND OF ALMOST AT THE AGE OF RETIREMENT AND WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO DO SOME HUGE THING AND WE LIVE THERE.
SO WE DON'T WANT MORE THAN $20. WE DON'T EVEN WANT 20 DOGS ON THE PROPERTY.
THE THE THING WITH THE FEDERAL GRANT IS ABOUT DOING MORE FOCUSED STUFF WITH THE VETERANS.
THERE'S SO MANY VETERANS AND ACTIVE MILITARY IN THIS AREA.
AND WE REALLY WANTED TO DO THAT ALMOST AS LIKE COMMUNITY SERVICE.
IF WE WERE GOING TO TRAIN DOGS, LIKE LET'S TRAIN DOGS FOR OUR VETERANS.
BUT THEN IT TURNED OUT THERE WAS A LOT OF NEED FOR OBEDIENCE TOO.
SO WE DON'T MIND DOING THAT. BUT WE REALLY DO WANT TO BE FOCUSED AND AND WE IT WOULD, IT WOULD KIND OF RUIN OUR WHOLE BUSINESS MODEL IF WE DID GET TOO BIG, BECAUSE WE REALLY GET TO KNOW EACH DOG AND EACH FAMILY WELL, AND DEPENDING, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE DOGS, SOME OF THE SERVICE DOGS THEY NEED, THEY NEED QUITE A FEW THINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO DO FOR THEIR THEIR, THEIR OWNERS WHO ARE INJURED OR HAVE PTSD OR WHATEVER.
AND SO WE, WE, WE'RE MORE LIKE, WE GO DEEP MORE THAN BROAD.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO HAVE LIKE, LIKE, I DON'T EVEN WANT THAT.
I MEAN, I LIVE THERE, I DON'T WANT HORDES OF DOGS ALL OVER THE PLACE.
I WANT LIKE 3 OR 4 REALLY WELL TRAINED DOGS. THAT'S OUR KIND OF THAT WAS KIND OF OUR DREAM, WHY WE CAME HERE TO DO THIS. OKAY. SO I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT.
YEAH. THANK YOU. AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, COULD YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME? AND MY NAME IS LAURA. FEDERICO. I'M THE OTHER OWNER.
YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME INFORMATION ON YOUR GRANT THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET FROM THE FEDERAL.
JUST A LITTLE MORE DETAIL THERE. BUT THEN DO THAT.
LOOK AT YOUR MATH HERE TO TO GET EVERYTHING TO ADD UP BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 2.54.
WE GOT 3.53. WE GOT THE 15.17. SO WE JUST WANT TO GET ALL OF THAT.
SO IT ADDS BACK UP. AND SO WE GOT SOME IDEA OF HOW ALL THIS IS GOING.
YEAH. OKAY. YES I AGREE WITH YOU. WE JUST WE ACTUALLY APPLIED FOR IT AND WE JUST HEARD BACK THAT THEY ARE, THAT THEY, I THINK HAVE ACCEPTED US. WE ARE NOT EVEN CLEAR YET.
LITERALLY THIS WEEK WE JUST FOUND OUT THAT THEY, I THINK THAT THEY HAVE ACCEPTED US TO BASICALLY BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO BE ABLE TO HELP THESE VETERANS.
A LOT OF THE VETERANS, YOU KNOW, THEY THEY CAN'T PAY FOR IT OUT OF THEIR POCKET.
IT'S EXPENSIVE TO GET A SERVICE DOG. SO THIS IS LIKE HELP FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT.
THAT WAS OUR THAT WAS THE WHOLE REASON WE CAME HERE, YOU KNOW? OKAY.
SO YEAH, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT IT YET BECAUSE WE JUST FOUND OUT OURSELVES.
BUT WE WILL FIND OUT MORE. AND WE CAN CERTAINLY REPORT BACK TO YOU GUYS IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO KNOW.
YEAH. WHEN YOU'RE COMPILING YOUR PROFIT, LET ME GIVE YOU SOME POINTS TO KEEP IN MIND.
OKAY. YOU WANT TO HAVE COMPATIBILITY WITH SURROUNDING LAND USES.
NOISE IMPACTS, TRAFFIC IMPACTS, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, ANIMAL WELFARE COMPLIANCE, COMMUNITY CONCERNS, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CONSISTENCY, ADEQUATE ADEQUACY OF BUFFERING AND SCREENING, HOURS OF OPERATION, AND NUMBER OF ANIMALS. OKAY. THAT'S HELPFUL.
I'M GOING TO ADD ONE MORE AND I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO JUST MR. PRINCE WHEN YOU COME IN TO SEE HIM I WANT YOU ALL TO TRY TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER PLAN.
I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE IT DIFFICULT. I'M ABOUT TO WASTE DISPOSAL.
I WANT I WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN GOING TO THE DUMP.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, IF YOU CAN COME UP WITH ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE TO THAT, LIKE SOME TYPE OF RECYCLING OR SITE SOME KIND OF COMPOST, MAYBE. I'M NOT REALLY SURE. JUST IF YOU COULD COME, IF YOU COULD COME UP WITH AN ALTERNATIVE, I'D APPRECIATE IT. YEAH. I THINK THEY HAVE THOSE THINGS IN THE GROUND AND YOU ADD SOME ENZYMES.
WE CAN DEFINITELY WORK ON THAT. LOOKING AT LOOKING AT SEE IF THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE.
I'D APPRECIATE IT IF IT'S FEASIBLE FOR YOU. IT IS A GREAT RESOURCE FOR THAT DOGGY OUTHOUSE.
IT'S RIGHT WITH THE CONDITION USE PERMIT. WE CANNOT TELL YOU WHAT TO DO.
YOU HAVE TO COME TELL US WHAT YOU'RE WILLING TO DO.
OKAY. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING. WE GOT TO GET THE PAPERWORK RIGHT. WE HAD.
BECAUSE OUR NUMBERS REALLY ARE. IT HASN'T BEEN LIKE A BIG PROBLEM IF WE JUST CLEAN IT UP.
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BUT. AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE ACRES, RIGHT? SO BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. I MEAN, WE DON'T WE WOULDN'T MIND DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT ANYWAY.YOU KNOW, WE APPRECIATE IT. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NO PROBLEM. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU MA'AM. APPRECIATE IT.
ALL RIGHT. SO IT'S BEEN SUGGESTED THAT WE TABLE ANY FURTHER DELIBERATIONS OR THE VOTE TONIGHT UNTIL WE COMPLETE, GET A COMPLETE APPLICATION WITH THE LIST OF CONTINGENCIES FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
DO I HAVE A MOTION THAT WE CONTINUE THE MOTION? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. I HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE MEETING TILL NEXT MONTH'S MEETING.
DO I HEAR A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND NOW? IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? MR. PRINCE, ARE WE IN ORDER DOING THIS? YES. EVERYTHING'S FINE.
OKAY. SO WHAT WILL CORRECT ME, SIR? WE WILL NOT CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
CORRECT. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR OF CONTINUING THIS DISCUSSION AT OUR NEXT MEETING, SAY AYE.
AYE. ANY OPPOSED, LIKE SIGN? OKAY. IT IS UNANIMOUS.
OKAY, SO WE'LL STOP. STOP THIS RIGHT HERE. AND, MR. PRINCE, WE'LL ASK IF YOU WILL CONTACT THE APPLICANT AND THAT YOU ALL WILL DISCUSS THOSE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD TONIGHT FOR THE CONDITIONS. AND IF YOU'LL GET THOSE OUT TO US IN OUR PACKAGE, WE APPRECIATE IT.
YEAH. HOPEFULLY WORK WITH THESE PEOPLE. I THINK THEY'RE DOING A FANTASTIC JOB IN STATESVILLE.
SO YES, I AGREE, MR. CHAIRMAN. OKAY. SO I'M NOT GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WE APPRECIATE YOU ALL COMING TONIGHT. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER ITEMS THAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS, BUT YOU ARE FREE TO STAY.
OR IF YOU LIKE TO BE EXCUSED, YOU'RE FREE TO TO EXCUSE YOURSELF AS WELL.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THE RIGHT THING TO DO. OKAY.
I MADE MY WAY BACK TO MY. I KNOW WHERE I'M AT HERE.
OH, NUMBER SIX FOR YOU. YEAH, I PICKED THE WRONG PAGE.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER SIX.
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UNFINISHED BUSINESS. GOTTA BRING IT TO THE WHITE SOLAR PROJECT.REPORT. MR. PRINCE, DO I KNOW YOU GAVE US INFORMATION ON OUR PACKETS? THAT IS. I UNDERSTAND WE GOT A COMMUNITY MEETING COMING UP.
CORRECT. THAT PROJECT. IS THAT RIGHT? IS THAT STILL SCHEDULED? ON THIS PROJECT? THE SYNERGY WHITE SOLAR PROJECT I INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
THE SOME INFORMATION FROM 2024 JUST KIND OF GIVE YOU SOME HISTORY OF IT.
OKAY. WHERE THE APPLICANT PRESENTED THE WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THEY, THEY PRESENTED THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE SIGNING AGREEMENT AND THAT SIR BACK IN APRIL 17TH.
NOW LET'S SEE. HOLD ON. YEAH. 2024 YEAH. 24 I THINK THE FIRST THING ON YOUR, ON THE PACKET HERE.
YES. OKAY. I SEE THAT DATE. I'M SORRY. OKAY. I THINK THIS MEMO WAS MORE SO A INTRODUCTION TO THE TO THE PROJECT INTRODUCING THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO THE PROJECT. AND THEY WANTED TO, THEY ALSO DID A PRESENTED THE SIGNING AGREEMENT WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AT THAT TIME. AND.
THEY ALSO HAD A A MEETING WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
AND THAT WAS ALSO APRIL 30TH, 2024 AT THE HERE IN THIS BUILDING, HERE IN THIS ROOM.
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THAT THEY HAD FAVORABLE COMMENTS. THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY, THEY DON'T RECALL ANY HAVING ANY NEGATIVE COMMENTS ABOUT THE PROJECT.AND I ALSO INCLUDED JUST A, THE BROCHURE, NOT BROCHURE, BUT THE PRESENTATION.
POWERPOINT PRESENTATION FOR THE SYNERGY PROJECT.
AND JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT IN GENERAL.
AND THE GUYS HAD A CHANCE TO READ SOME OF THIS HERE.
THEY HAD OTHER PROJECTS INVOLVED IN THEIR, IN THEIR PRESENTATION, BUT I JUST KIND OF SELECTIVELY MADE SURE I PUT NOTHING BUT THE SOLAR WHITE SOLAR PROJECT DETAILS IN HERE.
THIS IS GOING TO BE RIGHT OFF OF MY HERREN. I'M SORRY, OFF OF GENERAL THOMAS HIGHWAY ROUTES 168.
AND IT'S GOING TO BE BEHIND THE CURRENT CROWDER WHITE PROJECT.
CARTER WHITE SITE, AND IT'S SHOWN ON THIS LAST PAGE RIGHT HERE.
FOR THE AERIAL 3D RENDERING. AND SO IT'S GOING TO BE KIND OF FAR AWAY FROM THE ROAD, APPROXIMATELY 1700 FEET AWAY FROM GENERAL THOMAS HIGHWAY BEHIND THIS AREA. AND IT'S ALSO GOING TO HAVE A COMBINED PROPOSED BATTERY STORAGE AREA AS WELL AS THE SOLAR.
SO, AND THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW A LOT OF THESE NEWER PROJECTS ARE BEING PACKAGED, IF YOU WILL, WITH A BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE FACILITY AND THE SOLAR COMPONENT ALONG THE PARCEL, YOU KNOW, ALONG THIS PARCEL. AND IF YOU CONTINUE ON TO THE NEXT PAGE YOU'LL SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE THEIR PRESENTATION.
THEY HAVE THEIR STREET VIEW FROM GENERAL THOMAS HIGHWAY.
AND OF COURSE, THE NICE THING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS THAT IT IS OUT OF VIEW OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND THAT IT THE THE WAY THE TOPOGRAPHY GOES FROM GENERAL THOMAS HIGHWAY BACK TO THE ACTUAL SITE, YOU GO UP AND OVER AND THE SOLAR PROJECTS GOING TO THE DOWNSTREAM SIDE OF THE, OF THIS, OF THIS PARCEL. SO IT REALLY IS NOT SEEN FROM THE ROAD.
SO IT CHECKS THAT PARTICULAR BOX. AS FAR AS THE ORDINANCE IS CONCERNED, ANOTHER BIG PART OF THE OF THE PROJECT IS THAT IT IT'S ON UNSUITABLE SOILS. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ON PRIME FARMLAND THAT IS UNSUITABLE SOILS.
THAT IS DEMONSTRATED BY THIS PROJECT IS HERE.
IT WAS THE ONE ON HERE WHERE IT'S, IT'S ON A VERY LOW SCALE, LIKE 3.3 OUT OF 34 AS FAR AS THE THE RATING OF THE SOIL. ONE OF THE VERY LAST SHEETS SHOWS WHERE THEY.
DID THE THEY LOOKED AT THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO MAKE SURE THEY GOT NOTIFICATION OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS TO THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL THAT WOULD BE LIKE THE LAST SHEET.
WHAT ARE THE STEPS THIS GOES THROUGH NOW? THE STEPS THIS GOES THROUGH.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO SIGN THE SIGNING AGREEMENT.
I'M SORRY. THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WILL HAVE TO AGREE AND SIGN ON.
I COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. IT WILL.
IT WILL HAVE TO DO THAT. IT WILL? YES, IT WILL HAVE TO COME BEFORE US.
FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND THE REZONING? YES. SO I HAVE TO GO TO BOTH. IT HAS TO BE WHAT IS IT ZONED AS TODAY? A1. A1 IS ON A1. IT HAS TO GO TO M1. SO THAT NUMBER WAS A BORROW PIT? NO, IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO IT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE RENDERING, IT'S THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE MAP IS THE POND.
I'VE GOT I'VE GOT SOME SAND UP FOUR YEARS AGO WHEN THOMAS WHITE RAN IT IN.
THAT'S RIGHT. SO IT'S BEEN BACKFILLED OR WHATEVER.
ARE YOU STILL THERE? YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE MAP.
IT'S SLOW. IT'S SLOW. YEAH, BUT I'VE ACTUALLY GOTTEN GRAVEL DOWN RIGHT BEHIND THAT SHOP.
SO IT WAS A, IT WAS A, THEY WERE SELLING SAYING THERE AT ONE TIME.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT WAS NOT IT. WHERE THEY WERE ACTUALLY DIGGING WAS NOT THERE.
ACCORDING TO THE MAP. WELL, I THINK THEY HAVE RECLAIMED THAT PIT.
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YEAH. I'M NOT MISTAKEN. HAVE DROPPED, HAS DROPPED THE PERMIT WITH THE STATE.OKAY. I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT, BUT I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.
I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, TOO. YEAH. YEAH, I THINK IT WAS A PIT.
I THINK THEY I THINK IT'S BEEN CONVERTED RIGHT NOW. THAT'S CORRECT. AND THEY'VE BEEN FARMING IT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THEY ACTUALLY BULLDOZED THEY HAD LOADERS.
I ACTUALLY HAVE HAULED GRAVEL RIGHT BEHIND THAT SHOP.
OKAY. IT'S BEEN A YEAR. THAT'S WHEN THE TIME WAS.
OH, OKAY. SO IT'S BEEN LEVELED, BACKFILLED OR SOMETHING.
RECLAIMED. BEEN RECLAIMED. CORRECT. OKAY, SO I GUESS I WAS THINKING THAT IF THAT WAS A BORROW PIT, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN AN INDUSTRIAL ZONING.
CORRECT. NOW YOU CAN HAVE A PIT IN A ONE. YOU CAN HAVE ONE.
YOU CAN IN A ONE ZONING. YES. AND FOR BURIAL PIT AGAIN.
OKAY. EXCUSE ME. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS JUST KIND OF GIVES YOU AN UPDATE ON THE PROJECT ITSELF, GIVES YOU A LOOK OF KIND OF A PREVIEW OF THE PRESENTATION THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PRESENT TO BEFORE US WHEN THEY COME TO APPLY FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND THE REZONING FOR THIS VERY SAME SITE. I HOPE IN THE FUTURE THAT ANY SOLAR FARM TO FOLLOW THE, THE COURSE THAT WE USUALLY BY COMING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THAT'S WHAT. WHEN I LOOKED AT THE UTILITY SCALE SOLAR ORDINANCE, IT MENTIONS THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS SHOULD, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS SHOULD APPROVE THE SITING AGREEMENT FIRST AND THEN COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND REZONING.
BUT IF IT'S WE NEED TO GO THE OTHER DIRECTION, JUST LET ME KNOW.
AND WE'LL GO WITH THAT. BUT THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS HERE IN THE, IN THE ORDINANCE.
I KNOW THEY HAVE TO HAVE A PURCHASE OF THE ELECTRICITY BEFORE IT CAN BE APPROVED.
SO THEY, THEY WERE READY TO GO WITH WITH THIS PROJECT.
SO THIS, THIS AREA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IS IT, IS IT OPEN OR IS IT, IS IT ALL OPEN? IS IT SOME WOODS LAND OR IS IT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, IT'S ALL OPEN.
IT'S ALL, IT'S AN OPEN FIELD. YES. OPEN FIELD.
THERE MAY BE SOME FOREST. I'M NOT SURE. BECAUSE, I MEAN, I HAVEN'T PHYSICALLY GONE BACK THERE AND LOOKED, BUT I MAY NOT HAVE TO. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
EXACTLY. DO IT NOW. IT'S RIGHT ACROSS. IT'S RIGHT NEAR WANDA'S RIGHT.
NEW ESTABLISHMENT. THE VET CLINIC. RIGHT. SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE PERCENTAGE OF THE SITE, WHETHER IT'S PARTIALLY FORESTED VERSUS OPEN AGRICULTURAL FARM FARMING OPERATIONS.
WELL, THERE'S A REQUIREMENT IN THE ORDINANCE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE PERCENTAGE.
SO THIS IS GOING TO BE ALL OPEN THAT THAT'S GOING TO LIMIT ANY OTHER APPLICANT COMING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE ABOUT HOW MUCH OPEN SPACE WILL BE AVAILABLE. CORRECT.
I THINK IT'S FORESTED. I THINK IT'S IF I READ THAT CORRECTLY IN THE ORDINANCE AND THE UTILITY SCALE ORDINANCE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT RATIO BETWEEN FORESTED AND OPEN SPACE.
WELL AND THIS, THIS THIS WAS THE ACREAGE.
IN MAY OF 2022, WHEN THE ORDINANCE WAS SENT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR THEIR ADOPTION.
WHEN THEY LEFT THE PLANNING COMMISSION. CORRECT.
AT THAT DATE OR THAT AT THAT MEETING. 1% OF THE ALLOTTED LAND. LEFT. FOR SOLAR. I TO TAKEN OUT.
SOUTHAMPTON SOLAR IN MORGAN'S AND NEWSOMS. IT WAS A TOTAL OF 1682 ACRES REMAINING.
RIGHT. EXCUSE ME. I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY.
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NO. IT'S 22,437 ACRES REMAINING FOR SOLAR DEVELOPMENT.FOR UTILITY SCALE SOLAR. AND THAT ON THAT PARTICULAR DATE.
69% OF THE AVAILABLE ACRES WOULD HAVE BEEN FORESTED LAND, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN 1682 ACRES.
31% OF THE AVAILABLE OPEN LAND WOULD HAVE BEEN 755 ACRES.
SO IF WE'RE I THINK THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE WAS TO USE A RATIO.
BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE HARD TO DO.
YOU FOLLOW ME? YES. NOW, ARE YOU SEEING ARE YOU SEEING THAT INFORMATION? AND THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT THAT ONE OF THE PANEL MEMBERS HAD LAST MEETING.
CORRECT. THAT WE GOT TO KEEP UP WITH THE ACREAGES BECAUSE WE DON'T GO WE DON'T EXCEED THAT 1% UNLESS UNLESS THE GOVERNING BODY DECIDES TO DO SOMETHING ON. THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO GO BEYOND THAT.
SO FAR, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE GOT TO FOLLOW THE ORDINANCE, RIGHT.
WE DON'T MAKE THAT ASSUMPTION, AND WE HAVE NOT HAD.
EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME. WE HAVE NOT HAD ANOTHER APPLICATION TO GO FORWARD SINCE SOUTHAMPTON SOLA IN ORGANS AND NEWSOMS THAT I'M AWARE OF. THAT'S CORRECT. UNTIL JUST. THIS IS THE NEXT ONE.
WE'LL BE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT AND NOT, YOU KNOW, NOT MAKE A MISTAKE.
CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. GO AHEAD AND SEE WHAT I WAS REMEMBERING WITH THAT ORDINANCE THAT EACH APPLICATION HAD TO THEIR PROJECT HAD TO REPRESENT THE PERCENTAGE OF THE COUNTY.
NOR WAS IT WHAT WE WERE FACED WITH. EVERYBODY WANTED TO COME IN AND GRAB CLEAR LAND AND THAT WAS IT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE HAD OTHER APPLICATIONS AND SOME OF THEM GOT WITHDRAWN.
THAT'S THE ONE WE GOT. DID NOT GET WITHDRAWN, BUT EVERYBODY WANTED TO GRAB CLEARED LAND.
AND SO OUR COUNTY AT THE DATE THAT MR. DRAKE REPRESENTED IS 69 AND 31.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD BE NOW, BUT IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT EACH APPLICATION WOULD HAVE TO THE APPLICATION WOULD HAVE TO REPRESENT THE WAY THE COUNTY SITS RIGHT NOW. SO IT WOULD THEY COULDN'T GO TO ALL FORESTS OR THEY COULDN'T GO ALL TO CLEARED LAND.
IT HAD TO BE A 6 TO 931 RATIO OR FORCED IT TO CLEAR.
BUT BUT THEN WHEN THAT PIT WAS RECLAIMED AND THE, AND THE LICENSE WAS DROPPED BASICALLY IT CHANGED THAT LAND FROM WOODLAND TO TO WATER. AND I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE OLD GOOGLE MAPS OR WHATEVER TO SEE.
BUT IF I RECALL, I THINK, I THINK HE HAD TO CLEAN THAT UP TO TO GET THE BEAR PIT IN.
OKAY. SO AND I, THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WHEN I HEARD IT, HEARD IT COME UP, I, I THOUGHT, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE MEETING THE RATIO BACK THERE.
AND AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY CONCERN FROM KIND OF WHEN I FIRST HEARD IT, PERIOD WAS THAT WE DON'T HAVE A FORESTRY CLEARED LAND RATIO RATIO. YEAH. IT'S JUST ALL CLEAR.
MAYBE AT THIS POINT IT MAY BE ALL CLEAR. YEAH.
AND IF WE. IF WE STEER AWAY FROM THAT WITH THIS ORDINANCE AND WITH THE FIRST APPLICATION, I'M AFRAID WE'RE GOING TO BE SETTING A PRECEDENT FOR OTHERS TO COME IN. AND THAT'S MY CONCERN.
I DON'T KNOW IN THE INFORMATION, IT SAYS THE PARCEL IS 332 ACRES, BUT THE PROJECT IS 107 ACRES. RIGHT. AND IS THAT IN SOME WAY TRYING TO DO THIS PERCENTAGE
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WITHOUT BY YOU USING THE CLEARED LAND, BUT SAYING THERE IS STILL WOODED LAND THERE? THAT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN A REAL SITE PLAN.I'VE JUST BEEN TALKING OFF THESE RENDERINGS AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
BUT THAT MIGHT BE THE CASE. THAT MIGHT BE THE CASE.
THERE IS ADDITIONAL FOREST LAND TO. ADDRESS SOME OF THAT ISSUE.
THE FORESTRY. THE RATIO THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I GUESS.
I GUESS MY INTERPRETATION WAS FINDING A LOOPHOLE.
THAT WAS THE AMOUNT OF TRACK. THAT WAS MY INTERPRETATION THAT THE TRACK WAS.
300 ACRES IS 300 ACRES. BUT THE PROJECT'S 107.
RIGHT. BUT DOES THAT CREATE A LOOPHOLE WITH THE.
IDEA OF FOREST LAND AND CLEARED LAND? IT SHOULD HOLD 300 AND SOME ACRES IS NOT PART OF THE PROJECT.
THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S JUST IT'S DEFENSE PART. IT'S FENCED.
OKAY. OKAY. AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE RAN INTO BEFORE.
YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE FACILITIES THAT WE ALREADY HAVE THEIR OWN TRACKS OF LAND, RIGHT? THAT HAS MORE ACRES. AND BUT THE WEATHER FACILITY WAS PUT IT WAS PUT ON ALL CLEAR.
CLEARED LAND AND EVERY ONE OF THEM WAS ALL CLEAR LAND.
AND IT WAS STATED BY THOSE APPLYING FOR THE, FOR THE PERMIT.
THEY ACTUALLY SAID THIS IS NOT GOOD PRODUCTIVE LAND.
AND THAT WAS NOT EXACTLY FACTUAL BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE FACILITIES WENT ON LAND THAT WAS, THAT WAS TILLABLE FARMLAND, TILLABLE PRODUCTIVE FARMLAND.
RIGHT. AND SO WE WERE TRYING TO BE SURE THAT THAT WE LOOKED AT SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY AS IT SITS AND WHAT WE HAD TO OFFER. SO THAT'S WHY WE PULLED THE 1% OUT OF OUT OF THE COUNTY.
AND WE WERE PARTICIPATING WITH THE, WHAT WAS IT, THEIR PROJECTED GOALS FOR 2050.
PEOPLE SAID THAT WOULD BE THE LIMIT. PROBABLY IF WE WENT UNDER, THAT WOULD BE CHALLENGED.
RIGHT. AND THE OTHER THING I CAN SAY IS THE RIGHT WITH THE PRESIDENT BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THE PHILOSOPHY OF THE BOARD IS THE SAME AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS FAR AS SOFTWARE GOES.
SO THEY ONLY OWN THE 107 ACRES OF THE THIS 332 ACRE PARCEL.
SOMEONE ELSE STILL OWNS THE OTHER. THIS IS ONE LANDOWNER OWNS ALL THIS.
ALL RIGHT. YEAH. AND. OKAY. OKAY. AND THAT AT THE TIME THEY DID THAT THE LANDOWNER THAT HAD IT ALL HAS PASSED AWAY. OKAY. SO HOW IT'S BEEN DIVIDED UP? I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT, BUT NOT ENOUGH TO SAY PUBLICLY THAT IT'S TRUE.
ALRIGHT, SO THERE'S CHANGES IN THE MIX, RIGHT? SO THAT PART IS WHETHER. WELL, I JUST DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT TO SAY PUBLICLY.
NOW, ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO SUBMIT TO YOU? REAGAN A A A A REAL PRELIMINARY TO SCALE SHOWING OPEN LAND, WOODLAND DEVELOPED LAND. YES, YES, THERE MUST BE SUBMITTED A WHEN THEY GET TO THAT POINT, YES. THEY'LL SUBMIT A MORE DETAILED PLAN VERSUS THESE RENDERINGS.
DOES THAT DOES THAT PRELIMINARY HAPPEN BEFORE WE ALL VOTE ON IT OR THE VETERINARY CLINIC ONCE WE GIVE THEM PERMISSION? THEY PROBABLY HAVE BEEN WORKING ON SOME SORT OF DETAILED PLAN, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY'VE HAD TWO YEARS TO DO IT, YOU KNOW. SO YES, THERE'S THE DATES? YES. YES.
SO THEY'LL PROBABLY SUBMIT SOMETHING TO ME AND THEN I'LL OF COURSE PRESENT IT TO TO THE TO THE COMMISSIONERS ABOUT WHAT EXACTLY THE BREAKDOWN IS BETWEEN OPEN LAND VERSUS FORESTED.
RIGHT NOW, I'M ASSUMING THEY DO ALL THAT MATH.
SUBMIT IT TO YOU TO REVIEW AND CHECK. CORRECT.
NOT YOU DON'T COME UP WITH THOSE NUMBERS. NO, NO, NO.
I'LL BE JUST PASSING IT ALONG TO PRESENT. YES, SIR.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I WILL REMIND THEM THAT THEY NEED TO BE THEY NEED TO ADDRESS THE RATIOS THAT ARE PRESENTED BEFORE IN THE ORDINANCE TO KEEP KEEP THAT IN MIND.
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WONDERFUL. SURE. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SO I GUESS WE'LL WAIT UNTIL WE SEE THE DRAWINGS. YEAH, AS SOON AS I SEE.I MEAN, ARE YOU IN CONTACT WITH THESE PEOPLE? YES, I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THEM. WHEN DO YOU THINK THEY'LL HAVE SOMETHING TO PRESENT? THEY MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO PRESENT LATER THIS YEAR.
MAYBE IN JUNE. JULY? TIME FRAME. OKAY. BETWEEN GOING TO BOTH BOTH BOARDS.
I MEAN, THE THE FINANCIAL GAIN IS VERY ATTRACTIVE, VERY LUCRATIVE FOR THE COUNTY AND THE FIRE AND RESCUE. I SAW THAT VERY, VERY. YEAH. IF Y'ALL, IF YOU REMEMBER THE PROJECT IN NEWSOMS, WE GOT NOTHING OUT OF IT.
NOTHING. OH, GOSH. WELL, IN ACCORDING TO MR., MANN OVER THERE TALKING ABOUT ALL THE RESPONSES THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAD TO DEAL WITH ISSUES ON THE SITE. SO I'M GLAD THAT THAT THIS ONE'S GIVEN SOME MONEY TO THE DEPARTMENT.
A LOT IS CHANGING WITH THIS PROGRAM. AND I MEAN IT.
I MEAN, CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT THE BENEFITS OF THAT PROJECT? IF WE WERE GAINING FOR THIS SMALLER PROJECT, YOU KNOW, JUST IN WHAT, TEN YEARS TIME? PROBABLY. BUT ONE CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS THE BATTERY STORAGE.
AS FAR AS THE SAFETY, THE ELEMENTS. AND I REALIZE IT'S SHIELDED FROM THE ROAD.
IT'S AN EXCELLENT SITE. I MEAN, THE SITE TO ME IS PERFECT.
NOBODY SHOULD COMPLAIN BECAUSE WE STILL SIN, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO TO ADDRESS. I MEAN, I KNOW YOU HAVE SUBMITTED INFORMATION BEFORE, MR. RANDOLPH. SUBMITTED INFORMATION BEFORE. WE NEVER REALLY GOT ANYWHERE WITH THAT.
THERE WAS THERE COULD BE SOME ISSUES, ESPECIALLY.
RIGHT. THAT WE HAVE TO GO BY THE STATE REGULATIONS.
OKAY. SO THIS HAS COME UP WITH THE BOARD. ABOUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION COMING UP WITH SOMETHING. SO MR. NOT FAMILIAR WITH THOSE.
HAVE YOU SEEN IS DOES THE STATE HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE, A MODEL, A MODEL? I KNOW THEY DON'T. AND WHAT IT SAYS IF IF YOU DON'T HAVE A COUNTY ORDINANCE, THEN YOU HAVE TO GO BY THE STATE.
OKAY. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE STATE IS.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. RIGHT. WELL, I'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET SOME ALSO IN YOUR PACKET.
I DO HAVE SOME SOMETHING FROM CITY OF SUFFOLK ABOUT A.
ORDINANCE THEY TEND TO ADOPT, OR AT LEAST IT'S GOING TO GO BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL IN, IN.
I WANT TO SAY IN MAY. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE, IT'S IN, IT'S IN RED FOR. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE. THAT'S HOW THEY'RE GOING TO PRESENT TO THEIR, THEIR COUNCIL FOR REVISIONS AND CITY OF SUFFOLK. WHAT I'M, WHAT I WAS IN TOUCH WITH THEIR DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AS WELL, AND THEY HAVE AN ACTUAL ORDINANCE COMMITTEE AND THIS IS THE ORDINANCE THAT THEY HAVE COME UP WITH FOR BATTERY STORAGE. AND THEY USE IT AS AN ACCESSORY USE PERMITTED IN CONJUNCTION WITH COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USES.
AND, YOU KNOW, I BRIEFLY READ SOME OF MOST OF THIS OR ALL OF IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT TALKS MORE SO ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE JUST MENTIONED AS THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLAN AND HOW THE DEVELOPER IS SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION.
PROCEDURES FOR SAFE SHUTDOWN DE-ENERGIZING ISOLATING THE EQUIPMENT, YOU KNOW, PROCEDURES FOR INSPECTION AND TESTING, BUT IT REALLY GOES THROUGH AN EXTENSIVE PROCESS OR PROCEDURES ABOUT HOW TO DEAL WITH BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE. AND AGAIN, THIS IS GOING TO BE PRESENTED TO THE CITY OF SUFFOLK CITY COUNCIL IN, IN MAY.
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THE COUNTY. I MEAN, YES, FOR THE COUNTY. I WOULD HAVE TO TAILOR IT TO TO THE COUNTY AND SOME OF THE VERBIAGE.BUT YES, THIS COULD BE A POSSIBLE START. IS THERE A TIME LIMIT THAT WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH THIS? I HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT SOMETHING AT THE STATE LEVEL ABOUT WE DIDN'T HAVE VERY LONG TO COME UP WITH THIS OURSELVES.
YES. WELL. THIS I MENTIONED, I JUST GAVE THIS TO YOU.
I'M SORRY. TODAY. THIS IS FROM OUR REPRESENTATIVE OTTO.
OTTO. WEISSMANN. WASSERMAN. WASSERMAN. YES. THIS IS THE BILL THAT'S ON THE GOVERNOR'S DESK.
AND IT TALKS ABOUT CITING ENERGY STORAGE PROJECTS.
I THINK THIS IS THE LAW. YOU'RE MENTIONING THE FACT THAT IT'S.
TO KIND OF GO WITH WHATEVER THIS THE STATE STATUTE THEY'RE INTENDING TO PASS.
ACCORDING TO WHAT I JUST PULLED UP VIRGINIA REQUIRES CITING UNDER TITLE 15 TO ARTICLE 7.3 SETTING OF SOLAR PROJECTS AND ENERGY STORAGE PROJECTS IN THE NEW 2026 LEGISLATION, HOUSE BILL 891 AND SENATE BILL 443.
IS IT THE STATE REQUIREMENT? THIS IS IT RIGHT HERE.
GOTCHA. I'VE GOT YOU RIGHT HERE. SO WE COULD USE THIS AS A GUIDE. WHAT I WOULD DO IS FOLLOW UP WITH CITY OF SUFFOLK, THEIR DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
SEE HOW THIS WAS PASSED OR NOT, OR WITH REVISIONS OR WITH EXCEPTIONS.
AND BRING THIS BACK TO YOU BEFORE IN THE NEXT MEETING.
AND THIS IS GOING TO BE PRESENTED WHEN THIS WILL BE PRESENTED AT THEIR COUNCIL MEETING IN MAY.
I FORGOT THE ACTUAL DATE, BUT IT WILL BE IN MAY.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING. CORRECT.
AND I READ THIS ONE, I KIND OF LIKE YOU DO? WHAT? MR. PRINCE, IF WHEN YOU READ THE SUFFOLK VERSION.
DID YOU SEE ANYTHING THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDED TO COMPLY FOR OUR SOUTHAMPTON ORDINANCE? I DIDN'T, I THOUGHT THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, LET ME JUST SAY BRITISH TERMS. IT WAS SPOT ON. I MEAN, IT WAS IT TOUCHED BASE ON EVERYTHING THAT I LIKE.
FOR INSTANCE, OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL WOULD MENTION IN TERMS OF, OKAY, A SAFETY PLAN, A RESPONSE PLAN THAT THEY HAVE TO PRESENT TO US. AND IT'S THE SAME THING THAT HAPPENED WITH THE SOUTHAMPTON SOLAR.
THEY HAD TO DO THIS VERY SAME THING WITH THE FIRST RESPONDERS AND HAVE A TRAINING RIGHT WITH THEM.
CORRECT. AND SO THIS IS RIGHT IN KEEPING WITH WHAT WE, I THINK WE REALLY NEED.
JUST A MATTER OF TWEAKING SOME VERBIAGE HERE AND THERE, WE COULD ALMOST CARBON COPY THIS, YOU KNOW, AS A, AS A HEAD START IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH THIS THIS HB 891 SHOW MR..
I GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU. IS YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THE SUFFOLK PROPOSED ORDINANCE WOULD THAT COVER DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD COVER A STANDALONE BATTERY STORAGE FACILITY AS WELL? THIS THIS ONE'S GOING TO BE INSIDE THE PROJECT, CORRECT? CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD COVER A.
BUT IT COULD. WE COULD HAVE APPLICATION FOR A STANDALONE.
WE COULD. OKAY. AND I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT IT.
I WOULD IMAGINE IT PROBABLY PRETTY EASILY COULD BE TAILORED TO THAT.
THE, THE FIRST THING THAT I WENT TO WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT IT WAS DECOMMISSIONING AGREEMENT, RIGHT? AND I'M ALWAYS WORRIED THAT IT'S JUST GOING TO BE LEFT DERELICT AND THIS TAKES CARE OF THAT.
SO YEAH, I REALLY DID LIKE, I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY THOROUGH.
IT CAME UP WITH A LOT OF IT REQUIRES A LOT OF STUDY BY THE APPLICANT BEFORE.
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RIGHT? NOT AFTER THAT. YEAH. I JUST FORESEE GOING FORWARD THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF INTEREST IN THE BATTERY STORAGE. HOW LONG DO WE HAVE? DONE? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.I'M NOT SURE. MR. URQUHART, DID YOU SEE ANYTHING ON YOUR COMPUTER SCREEN THERE? YES. ONLY THE THING YOU PRINT OUT. OH. PRIOR TO ACTION.
WAITING TO BE ASKED. WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING, LIKE YOU SAID VERY QUICKLY.
PROBABLY HAVE TO. JULY 1ST THEN. YES. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE UNOFFICIAL AT THE BOARD MEETING THE OTHER NIGHT, I. YOU GOT A SUGGESTION ABOUT THAT? YEAH, I THINK WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN PROACTIVE.
I WOULD THINK THIS IS PROBABLY BETTER THAN WHAT THE STATE WANTS TO GIVE US.
BY FAR. AND AND ALSO PROVIDED IF YOU WANT TO TAKE SOME TIME TO LOOK AT THIS OTHER ORDINANCE, OTHER. I JUST GAVE THIS TO YOU TONIGHT AGAIN FROM ISLE OF WIGHT.
THEY ALSO HAVE A PRETTY HEFTY ORDINANCE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING.
SO IF YOU WANT TO TAKE SOME TIME TO COMPARE BETWEEN SUFFOLK CITY OF SUFFOLK AND THE RED VERSUS THIS ONE, I THINK WE CAN GET OUR ENGINEER HERE TO LOOK AT THOSE AND DRAW US UP SOMETHING AND GET IT BACK BY NEXT MEETING.
BUT WE STILL HAD WE HAD TO HAVE A HEARING. YES.
CORRECT. YES. YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A HEARING.
THIS THING IS PRETTY EXTENSIVE TOO. ISLE OF WIGHT HAS GOT SOME HEARING IN JUNE.
YES. OKAY. BECAUSE OF THE WATER INVOLVED WITH THE FACILITY, WITH THE BATTERY STORAGE.
YEAH. THERE'S HAD MORE TO SKIMMING IT WHILE WE WERE HERE.
YOU KNOW, TONIGHT THEY HAD A LOT MORE OF THAT ENVIRONMENTAL OKAY COMPONENT.
I THINK IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF HYBRID VERSION BETWEEN THE TWO, THAT BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY EMERGENCY RESPONSE DECOMMISSIONING, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO WORK. YEAH. KIND OF GO THROUGH THESE AND GET WITH REAGAN.
WE NEED TO WE NEED TO. LOOK, YOU KNOW, IT'S POSSIBLE WE COULD CALL A SPECIAL MEETING.
ANOTHER MEETING. OKAY. YOU KNOW, I COULD. THIS IS VERY CONCERNING.
IT IS. YES. ONCE WE GOT TO THAT POINT, THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS TO BE ANNOUNCED. HOW MANY WEEKS AHEAD OF THE MEETING? THE STANDARD 21 DAYS. 21 DAYS. AND ADVERTISED TWICE.
CORRECT. ADVERTISED TWICE. THE TIDEWATER NEWS THEY ADVERTISE ON.
EXCUSE ME. THEY'RE PUBLISHING THERE ON WEDNESDAYS.
SO EVERY WEDNESDAY. THAT'S WHEN THEY PUBLISH.
AND I PUT THE I PUT THE ADVERTISEMENT IN THE IN THE PAPER ON A FRIDAY, THE PRECEDING FRIDAY.
SO IT'LL GET ADVERTISED. HOWEVER MANY DAYS I NEED TO PUT IN THERE TO TWO DAYS, TWO TIMES.
I THINK IT WOULD BE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WOULD HAVE IT IN JUNE.
SO WE WOULD BE THE JULY 1ST THAT WOULD MEET THE TIMETABLE THAT WOULD MEET THE TIMETABLE.
IF IF YOU ALL THOUGHT YOU COULD GET TOGETHER IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS, IS THAT POSSIBLE? MAYBE I CAN. YES. REAGAN'S GOT TIME. SURE. SO THIS WOULD BE VERY APPRECIATED BY THE BOARD.
SO IT'S THE FEELING OF THE BOARD TO TAKE THE SUFFOLK AND ALAWITE AND KIND OF OVERLAP THEM.
YES. YES, YES. MR.. MR.. MANN GOOD NOISE DOWN HERE.
WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? AND I'M I'M ALRIGHT WITH THAT. AND IF SOMEBODY RUNS ACROSS ANOTHER ORDINANCE FROM ANOTHER AREA, YOU CAN FORWARD THAT ON. WELL I AGREE, ANYBODY CAN CONTRIBUTE.
OKAY. I DIDN'T MEAN TO SAY NOBODY CAN CONTRIBUTE IN.
BUT WE GOT ORDERS FROM TWO LOCALITIES TOO. YES, THERE ARE NEIGHBORING OR SOMEWHAT NEIGHBORING.
I GOTTA I GOTTA REMEMBER ONLY TWO TWO OF Y'ALL CAN MEET AT THE SAME TIME, RIGHT? CORRECT. SO WE CAN'T ALL GO THE SAME DAY. BUT IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO CONTRIBUTE, YOU CAN EMAIL IT OR DROP IT OFF AT THE OFFICE.
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RIGHT? IT'S JUST DOWN. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S I'M WILLING TO MEET WITH, YOU KNOW, KEEP MY CALENDAR OPEN AND BE WILLING TO MEET WITH WITH YOU.IN JUNE. OKAY. SO THERE'S NO NEED TO DO A SPECIAL MEETING.
JUST WE'RE GOING TO JUST. I DON'T THINK WE NEED A SPECIAL MEETING.
I'D SAY LOOK AND SEE WHAT WE NEED TO DO IF WE NEED A SPECIAL MEETING.
JUST HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING. BUT IT WOULD BE IN MAY, CORRECT? IT WOULD BE AFTER OUR MAY MEETING IF WE HAD TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING.
IS THAT RIGHT? I GUESS THAT GIVES US ENOUGH TIME. WELL, IF YOU IF YOU HAVE A MEETING AND DON'T CLOSE THE MEETING, YOU CAN SET A DATE AND GO AGAIN. WANT TO ADVERTISE IT? IS THAT RIGHT? AT THE LAST BOARD MEETING, I WAS ASKED BY SEVERAL MEMBERS, CAN YOU GET THIS DONE? OKAY, OKAY, OKAY. WHICH WAS A BLESSING. KEEPING THAT IN MIND.
IF I RECALL, WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE. WE HAD A MEETING.
WE DIDN'T CLOSE IT. CORRECT. WE ADJOURNED IT AND SET A DATE TO GET BACK TOGETHER.
WE HAVE. THEN YOU, YOU YOU DON'T HAVE TO ADVERTISE.
I AGREE THERE. OKAY. VERY WISE. WE CAN HELP EACH OTHER OUT.
YEAH. OKAY. SAY SOMETHING TO HER ABOUT THAT TOMORROW.
OKAY. OKAY. I APPRECIATE YOU SHARING THAT INFORMATION.
THAT WAS A BIG, BIG HELP. YES. AND WE'RE GOING TO JUMP RIGHT ON THIS HEAD FIRST.
AND I THINK THAT'S I THINK THAT'S A GOOD PLAN.
OKAY. SURE. WILL. YEAH, NOT A PROBLEM. I'LL I WILL GET THAT.
GET TO WORK ON THIS RIGHT AWAY. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE BATTERY PROPOSED ORDINANCE HEARING OR WHATEVER COMING UP? OKAY. IF WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT WE WILL GO TO.
SEE, THE OTHER UNFINISHED BUSINESS WAS THE. BEFORE WE MOVE ON, I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
OKAY. I'M SORRY. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. YES. NO MATTER WHAT REAGAN AND I COME UP WITH.
AND WE ALL VOTE ON. IT'S GOING TO BE A PROCESS TO GET ALL THIS STUFF IN ORDER TO MOVE AHEAD.
DO WE WANT TO LOOK AT THIS WITH A A JAUNDICED EYE TO TO PROLONG? NEW DEVELOPMENT OF BATTERY STORAGE? OR DO WE WANT TO LOOK AT IT TO TRY TO FAST TRACK IT? AND SOME OF THESE STUDIES AND REQUIREMENTS, AND SO HAS THE BOARD GOT DIRECTION FOR US AND HOW TO THINK ABOUT THIS AS WE GO THROUGH. WELL. IT LOOKS LIKE WHAT I SEE HERE IT'S PROTECTIVE.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT FAST TRACKING IT BUT ISLE OF WIGHT.
SO. SO ON PAGE ONE OF BOTH. SO A WATER CONTAINMENT PLAN THAT THERE'S NOTHING DETAILING THAT OUT WHEN I GO ON THE ISLE OF WIGHT PAGE ONE. JUST LOOKING AT THAT.
DEMONSTRATE TO THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR REPLACEMENT.
WELL SO THAT IT'S JUST IT'S JUST ADDING LAYERS AND LAYERS ON TOP OF AND, AND SOMETIMES THESE THINGS YOU CAN JUST PICKING THE TWO UP, YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE. SOMETIMES THEY'RE WRITTEN TO SLOW THINGS DOWN AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE WRITTEN TO SPEED THINGS UP.
AND WELL, I WOULD THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE WRITTEN TO MAKE SURE THINGS WERE DONE RIGHT.
THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW. GOTTA HAVE A, YOU DO NEED A COMMON SENSE APPROACH TO BUT AT THE SAME TIME. WITH A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION I HAD READ ABOUT BATTERY STORAGE FACILITIES.
THEY CAN BE VERY SMALL AND THERE CAN BE HUNDREDS OF ACRES.
IT CAN BE VERY LARGE. SO I THINK THAT'S A THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN OF MINE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE SIZE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I WANT THEM TO BE SAFE AND I WANT ANYBODY IN THE AREA RESIDENTIAL ESPECIALLY
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THAT THEY WON'T BE IMPACTED. YOU KNOW, THAT'S A COMMON SENSE APPROACH.BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT TO I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT TO HAVE UNLIMITED SIZE AS WELL.
A REALLY, YOU KNOW, EXCESSIVELY LARGE PROJECT.
I'D HAVE A CONCERN WITH THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE PROBABLY CLOSER TO THE TRANSMISSION LINES, I WOULD THINK. I WOULD THINK, OR A GENERATING FACILITY.
I THINK THE COMMON SENSE APPROACH. I'LL TALK WITH MISS LOWE TOMORROW AND TELL HER THAT WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AND AND YOU TWO CAN GET TOGETHER AND FIGURE OUT A SCHEDULE THAT'LL THAT'LL WORK FOR US.
OKAY. IF WE HAVE TO HAVE A CALL MEETING, THEN WE'LL HAVE A CALL MEETING.
YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. I'M GOOD. AND WE DO APPRECIATE Y'ALL HITTING THAT UP.
OKAY. MR. PRINCE YOU MADE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THE.
THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ON THE LAND FOR HEROES PROJECT.
YES, I COULD. I CALLED MR. COLTON JAMES AFTER OUR MEETING LAST MONTH, AND IT DIDN'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF INFORMATION OTHER THAN TO SAY THAT THE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE WAS, HAS BEEN INSTALLED AND REGULAR GRASS MOWING OCCURS ON SITE.
BY PINNACLE ENGINEERING, THEIR ENGINEERING FIRM IN VIRGINIA BEACH.
AND THE ANTICIPATED PLAN SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY WILL BE IN LATE JUNE 2026.
HE'S PRETTY PRETTY RELIABLE. I MEAN, HE WAS WORKING ON ANOTHER PROJECT IN THE COUNTY AND HE SAYS HE'S GOING TO GET SOMETHING DONE, I BELIEVE. HE'LL HE'LL HE'LL HOLD TRUE TO THAT SCHEDULE.
BUT THAT'S I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER DOCUMENTATION TO, TO PRESENT TO YOU OTHER THAN JUST WITH THE PHONE CALL I HAD WITH THE MR. COLTON JAMES. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THAT AND MORE DISCUSSION? I THINK SO LONG AS HE WAS DOING SOMETHING TO THE PROPERTY TO SHOW THAT SOMETHING WAS HAPPENING, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SATISFIED THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
JUST TO MAKE SURE HE WAS DOING SOMETHING TO THE PROPERTY. HE'S MAINTAINING IT. HE'S YOU KNOW, HE'S HAD A SURVEY DONE. HE HAS THE SEPTIC, SEWER OR SEPTIC SYSTEM DONE, AND HE NEEDED ALL THAT TO BE PRESENTED TO THE ENGINEER BEFORE HE COULD PROCEED WITH ANY KIND OF DESIGN WORK.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IF THAT'S ALL THE UNFINISHED BUSINESS, WE'LL GO TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. NEW BUSINESS. WE'VE GOT A COPY IN OUR
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PACKETS FOR THE CITY OF SUFFOLK AS WELL AS MECKLENBURG COUNTY ON THEIR ORDINANCES.FOR DATA CENTERS NOW ARE STILL MAKING THE HEADLINES.
A LOT, A LOT OF PUBLICATIONS, ESPECIALLY PRO AND CON, BUT IT SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF NOW IT'S MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT CURRENT RATE UTILITY RATES GOING UP BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO GO UP ANYWAY, I THINK.
THERE'S GOT TO BE ANOTHER LINE OR UPGRADES IN THE SUBSTATIONS OR WHATEVER.
IT SEEMS LIKE, AND THIS IS JUST SPECULATIVE, THAT THEY'RE THINKING THAT THE ONES THAT ARE FEEDING OFF THAT LINE MAY HAVE TO SUBSIDIZE SOME OF THOSE FEES. BUT THEN, THEN I ALSO READ AN ARTICLE THAT THE STATE LEGISLATURE IS
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PROPOSING, POSSIBLY TO MAKE THE END USER THE END USER.YES, I ABSORB A LOT OF THAT EXTRA COST. SO I'M GETTING, YOU KNOW, MIXED REVIEWS ON THAT.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I HEARD, MR. CHAIRMAN. YES.
YEAH. IF I MAY JUST TOUCH BASE ON THIS ORDINANCE FOR MECKLENBURG DATA CENTER THAT HAS A DRAFT GOING ACROSS IT. WATERMARK.
OKAY, SO SO IN ACTION, THEY HAD TO GIVE ME THE WEBSITE FOR WHERE THIS THING IS LOCATED.
IT'S NOT LOCATED ON THE ACTUAL WEBSITE, BUT ANYWAYS.
OKAY, SO THIS DATA CENTER DRAFT IS A DRAFT OF THEIR ACTUAL DATA CENTER.
WEBS, I MEAN THEIR ORDINANCE THAT I COULD NOT FIND, BUT NOW I HAVE FOUND IT AND AND SO IF AGAIN, WE WANT TO USE THIS AS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER IN DRAFTING OUR OWN WEBSITE.
I MEAN, OUR OWN ORDINANCE. THEY DID TALK ABOUT FENCING STANDARDS, NOISE STANDARDS, NOISE MITIGATION, NOISE MONITORING. ANYTIME THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR REQUESTS AND SOUND STUDIES SHALL BE SUBMITTED WITHIN 15 DAYS OF THE REQUEST.
SO GROUND AND SURFACE WATER RESOURCES, A DETAILED REPORT OF THE FACILITY'S PROJECTED DAILY WATER CONSUMPTION PEAK AND AVERAGE AND A SPECIFIC SOURCE, MUNICIPAL ON SITE WELL OR GRAY WATER.
THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT SOME OF THESE DATA CENTERS ARE USING GRAY WATER.
IF USING GROUNDWATER AS STUDIED BY A LICENSED HYDROLOGIST, HYDROGEOLOGY, DEMONSTRATING THAT THE WITHDRAWAL WILL NOT LOWER THE WATER TABLE FOR ADJACENT AGRICULTURAL OR RESIDENTIAL WELLS. SO THEY LOOKED AT A LOT OF THE AGRICULTURAL IMPACTS TO GROUNDWATER WITH MECKLENBURG. SO AGAIN, THIS MIGHT BE ANOTHER GOOD RESOURCE FOR ANOTHER ORDINANCE FOR OUR ORDINANCE. HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE, ANY OF THE ORDINANCES FOR THESE COUNTIES THAT HAVE REALLY PUSHED BACK HARD ON, ON THE DATA CENTERS LIKE HENRICO COUNTY? I MEAN, THERE'S WHAT DOES THEIR ORDINANCE LOOK LIKE? BECAUSE THEY'VE REALLY BEEN IN THE NEWS A LOT.
THEY MAY HAVE I HAVE NOT A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THEIR ORDINANCE, BUT HENRICO COUNTY IS, YOU KNOW, RAPIDLY GROWING, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY USE UP A LOT OF THEIR AGRICULTURAL AREAS.
SO I AGREE. YES, THEY, THEY PROBABLY DON'T ENJOY THE BUFFERS THAT MAYBE WE HAVE BETWEEN.
THE DATA CENTERS AND RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. SO YEAH, THEY REALLY SEE IT AS A THREAT.
I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT. I CAN UNDERSTAND THE PUSHBACK THAT THEY MAY BE EXPERIENCING.
BUT I HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THEIR ORDINANCE, BUT YES, I CAN LOOK AT THOSE AND SEE WHAT, WHAT AND PROBABLY GIVE THEM A CALL. NOT JUST LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE, BUT I TYPICALLY TRY TO GIVE THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR FOR THAT, FOR THAT LOCALITY A CALL AND SEE EXACTLY WHAT'S THE WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THEIR LOCALITY IN TERMS OF DATA CENTERS.
THERE MIGHT BE OTHER COUNTIES. I JUST THOUGHT OF THAT ONE BECAUSE IT'S SO MUCH OF AN ECO IS RURAL.
THAT'S JUST THE ONE THAT I'VE HEARD THE MOST.
COMPLAINT. CORRECT. AND THEN THEY PROBABLY WENT RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO CHESTERFIELD, RIGHT? EXACTLY. AND SAID, OKAY, WELL, I THINK THEY HAVE A ACTUAL DATA CENTER THAT WE COULD GO VISIT, YOU KNOW, EITHER DATA CENTER OR BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE FACILITY THAT WE CAN GO VISIT.
I'M GOING TO ASK MR. URQUHART MR. URQUHART WAS NOT ABLE TO BE AT OUR LAST MEETING.
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CERTAINLY GLAD TO SEE HIM TONIGHT. BUT, YOU KNOW, HE PRESENTED MEETING BEFORE LAST, A AND HE.I HAVEN'T TALKED TO HIM ABOUT IT, BUT I'M WILLING TO TALK ABOUT IT NOW.
YES, I LIKE TO. I'D LIKE FOR HIM IF HE WOULD LIKE.
I'M GOING TO CALL IT A MODEL ORDINANCE. I LIKE, I LIKED A LOT OF WHAT I SAW AND READ AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT AT OUR LAST MEETING. WHEN IT WAS UNFAIR BECAUSE YOU WEREN'T HERE, BUT COULD YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT HOW YOU CAME UP WITH THAT? AND OBVIOUSLY DID YOU IF YOU WOULD, SIR, IT WAS A, IT WAS A BOOK.
CORRECT. YEAH. PUT IT TOGETHER AS A WHOLE PACKAGE.
YEAH. IT'S GREAT. IT HAD EVERYTHING IN THERE FROM SCRIPT FOR A PERSON COME UP THERE PUBLIC OPEN MIC AND BROKE DOWN THE THINGS THAT WE NEEDED TO DO AS FAR AS OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ALSO BULLET POINTS ON CHANGES WE NEED TO DO FOR ORDNANCE.
EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. AND YOU DON'T. I'M GONNA INTERRUPT.
I'LL DO IT ANYMORE. BUT YOU WERE ABLE TO TAKE CONTEXT FROM THE OVERVIEW, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, RIGHT? FOR THE AI, I'M GONNA GET MIXED UP. BUT ANYWAY, IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE MENTALITY OF THE THOUGHT PROCESS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO INCORPORATE INTO SOME OF THE LANGUAGE.
IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. WELL, BASICALLY WHAT I DID IN MY LATE NIGHT GEEKING ON THE COMPUTER, GEEKING, I JUST WENT INTO COPILOT'S AI TOOL AND JUST ASKED IT, WHAT WOULD I NEED AS A COMMISSIONER TO LOOK AT ALL OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY'S LEGAL LANGUAGE AND WHATEVER, AND COME BACK WITH AN ABSTRACT OF WHAT WE WOULD NEED, WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD NEED TO DO TO UP DATE ITS LANGUAGE, AND THEN IT JUST START PULLING DOWN DOCUMENTS AND EVERYTHING AND THEN STARTED COMPILING STUFF.
AND THEN IT WOUND UP WITH A 37 PAGE DOCUMENT MAKING IT SOUND WAY TOO SIMPLE.
I KNOW IT'S MORE COMPLICATED. SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS.
SO YOU I KNOW YOU READ IT SEVERAL TIMES. SO WHAT'S YOUR ANALOGY? I MEAN, IS THAT IS THAT A STARTING POINT? I MEAN, I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME IT'S A YEAH, IT'S, IT'S A IN DEPTH, IT'S A STARTING POINT FOR US TO GIVE, GIVE US A BASIC OUTLINE, BUT THEN FOR US TO GO IN AND TWEAK IT AS NECESSARY, RIGHT? BUT IT, IT'S VERY IN DEPTH AND LIKE I SAY IT, BUT I THINK 10 OR 12 ADDITIONS TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAYING. IT DID SEVERAL.
OH, THERE IT IS. YEAH, I BROUGHT MY COPY. TOO.
EXACTLY. THAT'S RIGHT. THE ORDINANCE ANALYSIS.
I MEAN, COMPARISONS IS GREAT. WAS. IT. I WAS VERY IN DEPTH.
YEAH. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT STARTED OFF ON THE FIRST PAGE HOW TO USE THE PACKET AND POLICY GUIDANCE.
AND IT WENT INTO THE MYTHS AND REALITIES OF DATA DEVELOPMENT.
RIGHT. EXECUTIVE SUMMARY AND SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY DATA CENTER.
LAND USE PROTECTION PACKET. KEYSTONE KEYS CONCERNS ELECTRICAL DEMAND.
INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS MINIMAL EMPLOYMENT. RURAL INCOMPATIBILITIES.
THIS FACTOR PROVIDES A MODEL ZONING ORDINANCE AND A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AMENDMENTS AND A SIDE BY SIDE ANALYSIS COMPARING CURRENT COUNTY POLICY WITH RECOMMENDED PROTECTIONS, A TWO PAGE BRIEFING FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS, A PUBLIC COMMENT SCRIPT AND SECTION DIVIDERS IN BINDER.
READY, READY FORMATTING. AND THEN AS THEY WENT DOWN TO BRIEFING FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS. THREE PAGE SUMMARY AND BROKE IT DOWN TO PURPOSE.
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WHAT DATA CENTERS ARE KEY IMPACTS ON LOCAL COMMUNITIES? OUR RECOMMENDED POLICY TOOLS, ZONING ORDINANCE CONTROLS.AND IT JUST KEPT SPITTING IT OUT. AND IT WOULD ASK ME A FEW QUESTIONS ALONG THE LINES, AND THEN I WOULD SUBMIT A COMMENT BACK TO IT. THEN IT WOULD TWEAK THE PACKAGE ALONG THAT LINES AND THEN IT AT THE END, AFTER ABOUT ROUGHLY 3.5 HOURS, IT SAID, OKAY, WE HAVE ALL THIS TOGETHER.
LET'S PUT IT TOGETHER IN THE PRESENTATION READY PACKAGE.
AND THEN THE PRINTER JUST WENT. AND SPIT IT ALL OUT.
SO COULD COPILOT. RIGHT. OUR BATTERY ORDINANCE.
YEAH, I WAS WORKING ON THAT. I JUST HAVEN'T FINISHED THAT ONE.
OH, OKAY. YEAH, THAT WAS JUST BEFORE I WENT INTO THE HOSPITAL.
RIGHT. BECAUSE I WAS IN A ZONE AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME AND SPITTING THIS OUT.
WOULD YOU NEED. THAT'S PROBABLY PUT ME IN THE HOSPITAL. I BURNT MY BRAIN.
I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. SO. DID EVERYBODY READ THAT? YES, EVERYBODY GOT THAT. GOT IT. LAST MONTH'S MEETING.
MR. MANN. YOU REMEMBER SEEING IT? SO WOULD THAT WOULD THAT BE A STARTING POINT FOR US? I THINK SO. I MEAN, JUST IN READING IT, IT LOOKED LIKE.
YEAH. THE WAY TO GO. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I STILL HAVE A LITTLE RESERVATION ABOUT USING AI, BUT IT SEEMS TO BE THE TOOL THAT MAKES THINGS SIMPLER AND IT GATHERS INFORMATION AND GIVES IT ALL TO YOU.
AND THEN YOU CAN DECIDE WHAT'S GOOD AND WHAT'S NOT RIGHT.
SO BUT I THINK THAT WAS OUR STARTING POINT. HE PULLED ALL THAT INFORMATION OUT OF THE DATA CENTERS.
EXACTLY. IT'S RIGHT. RIGHT, EXACTLY. YOU PULLED IT OUT OF THE DATA CENTERS.
YEAH. I LIKE TO SEE WHAT HE DID. SENT TO EACH MEMBER OF THE BOARD WE SENT.
I GOT THAT ON MY DESK AT THE OFFICE. I THOUGHT ABOUT DOING THAT AND I JUST HAD FORGOTTEN ABOUT IT.
BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD. THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO DO.
AND I THINK EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, WE NEED TO REMIND THE BOARD HOW MUCH WORK WE DO FOR THE COUNTY AND FOR THE BOARD AND MR. CALL YOU. YOU WILLING TO SHARE THAT? OH, YEAH.
I MEAN, IT'S CORRECT. MIGHT BE A GOOD THING. LIKE NOT SAYING GIVE IT TO THE BOARD, LET THEM HAVE A LITTLE SAY SO AND WHAT THEY THINK IS GOOD AND BAD OR ADDITIONS, CORRECTIONS, WHATEVER, AND THEN SEND IT BACK TO US TO KIND OF, YEAH, TAKE THAT INPUT AND RUN WITH IT.
YEAH. I WOULD LIKE NOT TO NOT TO SEE IT INCLUDED IN OUR AGENDA, BUT SENT INDIVIDUALLY LIKE THIS.
OKAY. TO EACH BOARD MEMBER, IF YOU WOULD. OKAY.
I'LL MAKE A NOTE TO TALK TO. HER MORE. I THINK IT'D BE VERY WISE THAT WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT TOOL, A GREAT OUTLINE. BUT LIKE I SAID, I LIKED IT A LOT.
I WAS VERY IMPRESSED. THAT'S WHAT I SAID. WE ALL.
BUT DO YOU ALL HAVE YOU STILL HAVE YOUR COPIES? YES, YES. MANN YOU STILL HAVE YOURS? OKAY, I GOT MINE, I GOT MINE.
YEAH, SURE I DO. SO LET'S GO BACK A LITTLE HOMEWORK.
BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING. LET'S GO BACK AND READ IT AGAIN. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY, YOU SEE ANY DETAILS.
IF YOU WANT TO MAKE SOME TWEAKS, JUST WRITE TO DECIDE.
AND WHEN WE COME BACK NEXT MEETING WE'LL, WE'LL START THIS PROCESS GOING FORWARD.
WE DID, WE DID DECIDE, I DON'T KNOW, IT WAS SEVERAL MEETINGS AGO THAT WE DID WANT TO INITIATE AN ORDINANCE? YES WE DID. WE DID DECIDE THAT. CORRECT? SO WE NEED WE NEED TO STAY ON THAT AND GET AHEAD AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, THERE WILL BE THE APPLICATION AND WE'LL BE AHEAD OF THE GAME. SO YEAH.
RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. WELL, LIKE I SAID, I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE IF HE DID THIS WITH THE DATA CENTERS, WHAT YOU COULD FIND FOR THE BATTERY, RIGHT. FACILITY AND WORK WITH MR. CLAUDE AND MR. PRINCE. I DON'T MEAN TO PUT WORK ON YOU, BUT ARE YOU ARE YOU SUGGESTING ARE YOU ASKING IF HE WOULD LIKE TO CONTRIBUTE? IF HE'D LIKE TO CONTRIBUTE THE NEXT DOCUMENT? YEAH. MR. URQUHART'S VERY SHARP IN THAT FIELD.
OF COURSE WE KNEW THAT. SO HE AND COPILOT OBVIOUSLY WORK MAGIC.
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YOU DON'T. YOU DON'T GET ANY EXTRA PAY FOR IT. BUT MR. CARTER, IS IT SO IS IT, I DON'T KNOW. DO YOU JUST SCAN THIS IN AND APPLY IT TO BEING BEING THAT IS ALREADY CURRENT CODE WITH THAT PARTICULAR JURISDICTION.NO IT'S NOT. YEAH. IT'S BEING PRESENTED IN MAY.
WELL IF THEY HAVE PUBLICIZED IT IT'S UP IN THEIR DATABASE FOR CONSIDERATION.
SO IT GRABS IT THAT WAY. OKAY. YEAH. IT PROBABLY WON'T BE ADOPTED.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT WON'T BE IN THEIR DATABASE UNTIL LIKE IN JUNE SOMEWHERE, YOU KNOW? AND MR. PRINCE, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU IF YOU FIND THAT DATE IN MAY.
OKAY. I'D LIKE TO GO. I'D LIKE TO ATTEND HEARINGS IN DIFFERENT LOCALITIES.
I JUST LIKE TO GO AND JUST HEAR, OKAY, COMMENTS MADE.
KAREN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, VIRGINIA. BEST ORDINANCE AND IT CAME BACK IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, VIRGINIA. THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS DIRECTED STAFF TO STUDY BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE ACCESS AND INCLUDING EXISTING LOCAL CODES AND SAFETY CONCERNS. THEY ARE RESEARCHING ZONING MODELS AND TECHNICAL GUIDANCE RELATED TO BATTERY STORAGE, WHICH CAN BE INCORPORATED UNDER THE SOLAR ORDINANCE AS A SEPARATE CODE SECTION.
APPROPRIATE. THE COUNTY IS ALSO CONSIDERING THE IMPACT OF BATTERY STORAGE ON FIRE AND RESCUE SERVICES, AND HAS SET UP A PUBLIC HEARING TO DISCUSS THIS TOPIC FURTHER.
WHO KNOWS WHAT WE DID BETTER THAN WE DO? EXACTLY.
JUST LIKE THAT. ALL RIGHT, WELL, WE'LL MOVE IN.
WE'LL MAKE SOME GREAT PROGRESS TONIGHT. THIS IS WONDERFUL.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ON THE DATA CENTERS AS WE PROGRESS FORWARD? OKAY, I'VE GOT SOME HOMEWORK TO DO AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A GOOD PRODUCTIVE MEETING NEXT NEXT MONTH.
ANY OTHER NEW BUSINESS THAT NEEDS TO COME BEFORE US TONIGHT? NONE. ALL RIGHT. OUR NEXT MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR THURSDAY, MAY THE 14TH AT 7 P.M..
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AND I'M HOPING TO SEE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU HERE.AND IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, MOTION TO ADJOURN.
I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. DO I HEAR A SECOND? I SECOND, SECOND. AND ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AND THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR ATTENDANCE TONIGHT, YOUR PARTICIPATION. AND HAVE A SAFE TRIP HOME.
OKAY.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.