ALL RIGHT. I CALLED IT. THE MARCH MEETING.
[1. CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL]
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SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER.I'M GOING TO ASK BEFORE WE GET STARTED THAT WE ALL STAND WITH A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO OUR FLAG.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
I WILL ASK TO REMAIN STANDING JUST FOR A BRIEF INVOCATION, PLEASE.
LORD, WE ASK THAT YOU BE WITH THE ONES A SPECIALIST TONIGHT INVOLVED IN THE UNFORTUNATE SITUATION AT OLD DOMINION UNIVERSITY THIS MORNING. LORD, WE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THINGS HAPPEN, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S GETTING CLOSER TO US ALL THE TIME.
PLEASE KEEP US ALL SAFE AND BE WITH THOSE WHO WERE AFFECTED THIS MORNING.
BE WITH OUR LEADERS OF OUR NATION. A LOT OF UNREST IN THE WORLD.
HOPEFULLY THERE'LL BE PEACEFUL MEANS TO FOLLOW.
WE ASK THAT WE HAVE A GOOD CONDUCTIVE MEETING TONIGHT.
AND WHEN THIS MEETING CONCLUDES, THAT WE ALL HAVE A SAFE JOURNEY HOME.
THESE ARE ALL THINGS WE ASK YOUR SON'S NAME, JESUS CHRIST.
AMEN. AMEN. AMEN. YOU MAY BE SEATED. I'D LIKE TO WELCOME EVERYONE HERE TONIGHT.
APPRECIATE Y'ALL COMING OUT. MRS. PRESS NOTIFIED ME EARLIER THAT MRS. ALSTON AND MR. URQUHART WOULD NOT BE WITH US TONIGHT.
MRS. ALSTON WAS HAVING SOME ELECTRICAL POWER ISSUES AT HOME.
SHE DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE. AND I UNDERSTAND MR. URQUHART HAS HAD A BRIEF HOSPITAL STAY. CORRECT? YES, CORRECT. BUT DOING BETTER AND MAY COME HOME TOMORROW.
CORRECT. FROM PETERSBURG. CORRECT? CORRECT. KEEP HIM IN YOUR PRAYERS.
MR. MANN, WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM. NO, I HAVE NOT.
I HAVE NOT. I HAVEN'T EITHER. OKAY. SO HE MAY SHOW UP.
OKAY. BUT WE HAVE A QUORUM, SO WE'RE GOING TO STILL HAVE A PRODUCTIVE MEETING, HOPEFULLY.
AND WELCOME, SHERIFF. AND THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT BEING REPRESENTED HERE TONIGHT.
APPRECIATE Y'ALL BEING HERE AS WELL AS OUR SECRETARY BEING HERE TONIGHT.
OKAY. SO FOR THE RECORD, I WILL CALL THE ROLL, IF YOU WILL ALL PLEASE SAY AYE.
AND I'LL JUST GO DOWN LIKE WE NORMALLY DO. MRS ALSTON.
MR. CLAUD. AYE. DR. EDWARDS. AYE. MR. MANN. MR. RANDALL. AYE. MR. TURNER. AYE. MR. URQUHART. AND MR. DRAKE. DID I GET EVERYBODY? AND I'M HERE. OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL MOVE DOWN TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
[3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
NOW WE OBSERVE COMMENTS MADE EARLIER AND I DID NOTE THAT MINUTES WEREN'T INCLUDED, BUT I HAVE THEM NOW.MR. RANDALL, DID YOU GET YOUR COPY OF THE MINUTES? I DID. OKAY, SO WHAT I WANT TO ASK, CAN WE JUST TAKE THESE HOME AND LOOK AT THEM AND COME BACK? WE'LL COME BACK NEXT MONTH.
DO I HAVE A SECOND ON THAT MOTION? SECOND. OKAY.
ANY COMMENTS? ALL IN FAVOR OF DELAYING APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES TONIGHT UNTIL APRIL, SAY AYE.
AYE. OPPOSED, LIKE SIGN. OKAY. IT'S CARRIED. SO WE'LL TAKE THAT UP AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
OKAY. WELL, I'LL GO THROUGH THE PROCESS JUST TO MAKE SURE WE COVER ALL OUR BASES. NEXT PART OF OUR MEETING WOULD BE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
SO I OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. I REALIZE WE DON'T HAVE MANY IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT, BUT I'LL ASKED SHERIFF OR HIS REPRESENTATIVES, Y'ALL HAVE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO BRING FORWARD TONIGHT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, I´LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
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NO PUBLIC HEARINGS WERE SCHEDULED FOR TONIGHT.THERE WAS NO UNFINISHED BUSINESS BROUGHT FORWARD, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. I'M ASSUMING WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT NEW BUSINESS. CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. NEW BUSINESS. CAN I GO AND LOOK AT THE CLOCK? YES, YOU MAY GO LOOK AT THE CLOCK. YEAH. THE CLOCK IS NOT WORKING.
OKAY. OKAY. I TOLD YOU, THE INSTRUCTIONS ARE ON THE BACK.
[7. NEW BUSINESS]
OKAY, SO THAT BRINGS US DOWN TO OUR NEXT ITEM, WHICH WILL BE NEW BUSINESS.SO WE GIVE OUR APPRECIATION TO MR. PRINCE AS WELL AS MR. URQUHART FOR FURNISHING US SOME REALLY GOOD, DETAILED INFORMATION ABOUT DATA CENTERS.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT OUR MAIN TOPIC TONIGHT IS.
TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION AMONG OURSELVES CONCERNING THE DYNAMICS OF DATA CENTERS AND HOW OUR OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LOOKS AT THAT AND MAYBE DOESN'T LOOK AT IT, MAYBE. WE HAD TALKED, I THINK AT OUR PREVIOUS MEETING ABOUT THE IDEA OF MAYBE TRYING TO COME UP WITH AN ORDINANCE POSSIBLY. I KNEW THAT WAS SOME DISCUSSION.
AND THERE WAS ALSO SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT MAYBE EXERCISING A MORATORIUM TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE TIME. NOW, NOTHING HAS COME BEFORE US TONIGHT.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW CLOSE WE ARE TO, MAYBE SOON, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY COMING FORWARD.
I DON'T FEEL LIKE TONIGHT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO CATCH ANYTHING.
MR. CHAIRMAN, IF SOMEBODY DID COME FORWARD, YOU´D TALK ABOUT 4 OR 5 YEARS.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THERE'S A LOT OF ARTICLES.
AND I SAY ARTICLES. I'M OLD SCHOOL, SO I DO A LOT OF READING MAGAZINES, NEWSPAPER.
WHEN I SAY MAGAZINES, I'M TALKING ABOUT SOME OF MY FARM PUBLICATIONS ABOUT DATA CENTERS AND SOME OF THE CONCERNS AND THE POWER LINES. IT'S MAINLY ABOUT ENERGY USAGE AND THE WATER REQUIREMENTS.
AND THEN IS THE WATER GOING TO BE REUSED, OR IS IT GOING TO BE CONTINUALLY, YOU KNOW, PUMPED OUT OF THE GROUND AND THEN LOOK BACK INTO THE ENVIRONMENT? THERE ARE SOME ISSUES. I THINK THE BIGGEST THING THOUGH, WHAT I'M GATHERING IS THE POWER.
WHEN THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT A CENTER. I DON'T KNOW WHAT SIZE IT WOULD BE.
BUT SOME OF YOU SAID THESE LARGER ONES USE THE SAME AMOUNT OF POWER CAPACITY AS A SMALL CITY. I'M SEEING SOME NOISE.
I MEAN, I'M SEEING THAT I'M READING THAT, IF THAT'S THE TRUTH.
SO I DO THINK THERE'S SOME ISSUES AT HAND. SO AT THIS TIME, WE WELCOME YOU.
YOU HAVEN'T MISSED ANYTHING YET, SIR.
THAT'S SO KIND OF YOU ALL TO CONSIDER ME. WELL, WE DIDN'T MEAN TO GET AHEAD OF YOU, BUT.
WITH CLAUD THERE, A FEW MINUTES AGO, IT DISAPPEARED.
DID YOU TAKE THE CLOCK DOWN? IT NEEDED A BATTERY, SO.
IT NEEDS A BATTERY. OKAY. MR. PRINCE IS WORKING ON THAT.
OKAY. OKAY. I WILL PUT IT BACK FORTHWITH. OKAY.
WELL, I KNEW IT THERE A LITTLE WHILE AGO. SO ANYWAY, MR. SECRETARY, LET IT BE KNOWN THAT.
SO, THAT BEING SAID, I'M JUST GOING TO OPEN THE PANEL UP FOR DISCUSSION AS TO WHERE WE WANT TO GO, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT.
DO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE INFORMATION IN OUR PACKET? DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON IT? IF ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING GENERAL YOU WANT TO SPEAK, BUT PRIMARILY THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING WILL CONCENTRATE ON DATA CENTERS. SO WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT? DOES IT WORK YET? STARTED ON THE EASY PART. SO I HAD ASKED THE QUESTION BEFORE, WHY DOES EVERYBODY'S ELECTRIC BILL GO UP WHEN WE VOTE TO BRING IN A DATA CENTER? AND WHAT IS HAPPENING IS. SO A DATA CENTER COMES IN AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, ALL THE POWER
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LINES IN THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF SIMPLISTIC WAY TO SAY IT, BUT THEY WERE ALL DESIGNED BACK IN THE 40S AND THEY JUST HAD SMALL LITTLE UPGRADES AS THEY GO. RIGHT.AND SO ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO RECOGNIZE IS, WITH ALL THESE ELECTRIC CARS AND EVERYBODY CHARGES AT THE SAME TIME, THEN THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOT THERE UP TO DATE TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE ALL OF THAT NEW LOAD GOING AT THAT NEW TIME.
AND VIRGINIA POWER IS MORE THAN HAPPY TO PUT THAT IN.
SOMEBODY'S GOING TO PAY FOR IT. THAT'S WHERE THE INCREASE IN POWER BILLS COMES FROM.
OKAY. SO IT WOULD BE UP TO ALL OF US TO REMEMBER THAT.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A PROFFER THAT CAN BE OFFERED BY WHOEVER'S PUTTING THIS THING UP THAT THEY'RE GOING TO CONTRIBUTE SO MUCH MONEY TO OFFSET THAT.
AND THEN IT WOULD BE UP TO US TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE LIKE THAT PROFFER OR NOT.
BUT WE'RE NOT. AND, JACK, I HAVE TO ASK YOU, IS THERE VOLUNTARY PROFFERS? WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO ASK THEM FOR ANYTHING. DO THEY HAVE TO COME UP WITH IT ON THEIR OWN, OR ARE WE EVEN ABLE TO SAY NO. THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO VOLUNTEER IT.
I MEAN, WE COULD BEHIND CLOSED DOORS OR ON THE STREET SOMEWHERE SUGGEST.
AND THEN KIND OF SPINNING OFF OF THAT. SO I WAS LOOKING THROUGH HERE AND IT LOOKED LIKE THESE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ARE GOING TO SOME ZONING ISSUES TO KIND OF PARE IT BACK A LITTLE BIT.
AND I NOTICED ONE OF THEM HAD GONE TO. AND I, OF COURSE, CAN'T FIND IT RIGHT IN A SECOND.
HAD GONE TO 1000 FOOT SETBACK. NOW, IF YOU'RE LOOKING.
AND I LOOK AT MAPS ALL DAY. IF YOU LOOK AT THIS ONE, THIS IS BOYNTON AND THAT'S HIGHWAY 58 AND THEIR FIRST ONE. THAT THING CAN'T BE 100FT OFF OF ROUTE 58.
IT WOULD TAKE. AND, YOU KNOW, BOYNTON HAS BEEN ALL UP ON, YOU KNOW.
THAT'S LAKE GASTON IN BLUE. THAT'S THE POWER DATA CENTERS JUST TO GIVE YOU A SCALE.
AND THAT'S WHY I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE. RIGHT.
GO TO THOSE. I REALLY, YOU KNOW, AM PRO-DEVELOPMENT AND I LOVE THIS STUFF, BUT I DON'T PARTICULARLY THINK THAT THESE ARE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL BUILDINGS IN THE WORLD, NOT LIKE WAREHOUSES.
SOME OF THESE ARE TALKING ABOUT FORCING THE DATA CENTER TO BE IN THE SAME ARCHITECTURAL STANDARD AS THE LOCAL RESIDENCES. YEAH, I NOTICED THAT. AND IT'S LIKE, YOU CAN'T PUT WINDOWS ON THESE THINGS.
AND I THINK ONE OF THEM WAS 30% WINDOWS. AND SO I THINK THAT MAYBE THAT WAS THEIR WAY OF SAYING NO.
AND MAYBE IF WE WANTED TO FOLLOW THAT, WOULD BE A GOOD WAY TO SAY NO WITHOUT SAYING IT, TO GIVE THEM 1000 FOOT SETBACK, FRONT, REAR, SIDE. THAT'S A LOT OF ADDITIONAL LAND.
SO MAKE SURE THEY'RE COMPLETELY SURROUNDED. BUT JUST WHEN I WAS READING THROUGH IT, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY WERE REACTING QUICKLY. AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD REACT QUICKLY, BUT WE SHOULD DEFINITELY BE READY.
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RIGHT. AND THEN I THINK AS A GROUP, IF WE DECIDE THAT WE WANT THESE THINGS TO TAKE A WHILE, A FEW YEARS. YEAH. THEN WE SHOULD DIRECT REAGAN AT THIS TIME TO, WHEN ANYBODY CALLS AND ASKS.RIGHT. YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE A PROCESS. YOU'RE NOT GETTING ON THE AGENDA NEXT MONTH.
WELL, I THINK YOU GAVE A GOOD ASSESSMENT, MR. CLAUD. I REALLY HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT IT. THERE WAS A TRANSMISSION LINE THAT RUNS FROM NORTH CAROLINA TO BOYKINS THROUGH NEWSOMS DOWN 671, CONTINUES ON OVER TO THE PREP LOADER AREA OUT TOWARD THE SUFFOLK AREA. NOW, THAT LINE, THE TOWERS AND ALL WERE UPGRADED SOME 20 YEARS AGO.
I'M JUST GUESSING LIKE THAT. THEY'RE MUCH TALLER.
COULD BE MORE CONDUCTORS ONLY. I'M NOT REALLY SURE ABOUT THAT, BUT IT'S THE SAME RIGHT OF WAY.
SO IT REALLY DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY PART.
AND, WITH WHAT DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'VE HAD NEW HOUSES OR NEW BARNS OR WHATEVER.
I KNEW RURAL LANDSCAPE. IT MAY HAVE BEEN JUST ADDITIONS OF A FEW POLES, YOU KNOW.
SO NO MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE AT ALL. YEP. NOW, THE ONE THAT I DO RECALL WAS UP IN THE ALVA AREA ACROSS THE NORTHERN PART. THEY´RE RUNNING IN TANDEM NOW.
AND I REMEMBER WHEN THAT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION ON THE PLANNING COMMITTEE. AND THAT'S PROBABLY BEEN WITHIN THE LAST 20 YEARS, BECAUSE I KNOW THEY HAD TO GO AROUND THE OLD LINE WENT THROUGH THE TOWN.
THE NEW LINE HAD TO KIND OF BYPASS AND COME BACK UP THE SIDE TO PARALLEL IT.
AND I DON'T REMEMBER IT BEING A LOT OF STATIC, JUST DISAGREEMENT WITH THAT.
I KNOW THEY HAD TO PUT A POWER STATION IN FOR THAT SYSTEM, BUT I'M ALSO AWARE THAT IN SOME AREAS OR SOME STATES RIGHT NOW. IT'S A REAL CONTROVERSIAL TRANSMISSION LINE IN UPPER PART OF MARYLAND, AND IT'S PRIMARILY FOR ONE PURPOSE. AND THAT'S THE DATA CENTER.
NOBODY ELSE WILL BENEFIT FROM IT OTHER THAN SUPPLYING THE DATA CENTER.
SO THAT IS GETTING SOME RESISTANCE. AND THAT'S THE KIND OF THING, YOU KNOW, BE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO ENTER INTO AN ISSUE WHERE IT'S GOING TO UPSET THE CITIZENS OR BUSINESSES OR WHATEVER. BUT I GUESS WE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THE LINES THAT WERE ALREADY ESTABLISHED COULD SUPPLY ALL OUR NEEDS.
BUT I THINK UP TO THIS POINT, THAT HADN'T BEEN AN ISSUE.
THAT'S KIND OF A BROAD STATEMENT. BUT EVEN WITH BUSINESSES, SAND PITS AND COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES, I DON'T THINK IT'S BEEN AN ISSUE TO THIS POINT THAT THE AMOUNT OF POWER IT WAS AVAILABLE JUST TO PUT THE NECESSARY POLES UP TO SERVICE THOSE BUSINESSES. BUT NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT IT MAY LIMIT.
IT MAY BE EXCESS POWER AVAILABLE. I DON'T KNOW, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT LIKE DOMINION POWER, SOMEBODY HAD TO ANSWER. BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE UP THE CAPACITY, HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT US GOING FORWARD WITH NEW BUSINESS OR NEW RESIDENTIAL OR NEW USES, YOU KNOW, THAT WERE OR NORMAL USES THAT WE WOULD HAVE. SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS TO CONSIDER.
BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S A GOOD, VALID POINT THAT WHAT THEY PUT UP BACK IN THE 40S, MY DAD ACTUALLY, IT'S JUST AS HARD TO BELIEVE, BUT THEY WERE SO ANXIOUS TO GET POWER BROUGHT IN BACK AFTER THE DEPRESSION AND ALL THAT.
A LOT OF THE FARMERS ACTUALLY HELPED CUT THE RIGHT OF WAYS.
OKAY, I SEE YOU MISSED THE TURN, YOU LOOK. BUT THEY HELPED DRAG THE POLES OUT AND HELPED SET THEM, YOU KNOW. BUT IN OUR CASE, IT WAS A COMMUNITY ELECTRIC OUT OF WINDSOR THAT ACTUALLY PUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN.
BUT THAT'S HOW GRATEFUL THEY WERE, OR EXCITED THEY WERE TO GET POWER.
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SO ANYWAY, WE'RE JUST OPENLY TALKING AND I'M LIKE, YOU, SOME OF THE CITIES AND SOME OF THE COUNTIES LOOK LIKE IT'S MORE OF A COSMETIC ISSUE THAN IT WAS THE POWER USAGE.BUT LIKE I SAID, MAYBE THAT'S FOR A DETERRENT.
AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE TRYING TO MAKE IT FIT IN.
BUT I DO THINK THAT MR. URQUHART IS A LITTLE MORE THOROUGH BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, HE'S STARTING FROM SCRATCH. THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
YEAH. HE PULLED INFORMATION FROM A DATA CENTER.
RIGHT. YEAH. RIGHT. EXACTLY. WELL.
CITY'S POWER STRUCTURE IS PROBABLY PRETTY MUCH UP TO SNUFF.
AND ON THAT NOTE, IT LOOKS LIKE. DR. EDWARDS, THAT.
IT'S BEEN A LOT OF BUILD OUT IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS.
CORRECT. LONGER THAN I THOUGHT. I THOUGHT THE LAST FEW YEARS. IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR QUITE A WHILE, AND IT DOES LOOK LIKE THEY'RE TRYING TO COME TO THE RURAL AREAS.
EXACTLY. YES. THEY SET UP SHOP. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, AND THAT WAS VERY NOTICEABLE.
GOING OUT TO MECKLENBURG. AND, OF COURSE, SOME LOCALES ARE VERY EXCITED.
YES. OKAY? BUT THEN OTHER LOCALITIES ARE SHOWING SOME CONCERNS.
CORRECT. ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO WATER USAGE IN TERMS OF HOW THEY'RE USING THE WATER TO COOL THEIR SERVERS. BUT ONE THING ABOUT THE MECKLENBURG AREA, AND I THINK MR. PRINCE WILL AGREE, AND MR. URQUHART, I THINK IF HE WAS HERE.
THEY LIKE. I HAD IT WRITTEN DOWN, I HAD IT IN FRONT OF ME TONIGHT, BUT THEY'RE PART OF THAT, WHAT THEY CALL THE TOBACCO BELT AREA. THEY GOT A LOT OF MONEY SEVERAL YEARS AGO TO PUT IN INDUSTRIAL PARK.
THEY SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON THAT COMPLEX THAT WE VISITED.
YES, THEY DID. I MEAN, LIKE 30, AM I RIGHT? I THINK IT WAS ABOUT $30 MILLION.
I DON'T MEAN TO SAY WAREHOUSE, BUT THEY WERE TRYING TO ATTRACT OTHER CLIENTS.
BUT THIS CAME ALONG AND IT WAS READY TO GO. AND THEY WERE EXCITED ABOUT IT.
BUT THEY'LL LOOK FOR SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A LOT OF INVESTMENT IN UPFRONT.
YES. TO ATTRACT THEM TO COME IN. AND THEN SO FOR THE BENEFITS, I THINK YOU REALLY GOTTA LOOK DEEP. RIGHT.
SO YOU GOT TO BE CAREFUL WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ECONOMIC BENEFIT.
HOW MUCH REALLY BENEFIT ARE WE GETTING. RIGHT.
CORRECT. THAT WE WOULD BENEFIT THOSE ECONOMIC.
RIGHT. THEY DON'T EVEN GET THE MOTEL ROOMS. RIGHT.
RIGHT. IT REALLY DOES. I DO MISS THE PALM TREE, THOUGH.
YEAH. A LOT OF PEOPLE. HE RAN IT. I MISSED THAT BIT.
YOU'RE RIGHT. HE SAID HE WAS BOOKED UP. I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE THE SAME ATTITUDE WE DID WITH THE SOLAR FARMS AND MAKE IT IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT, IT HAS TO BE DONE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. YEAH. CORRECT.
YEAH. YEAH. CORRECT. YOU KNOW, MY ONLY POWER IS OUR MAIN CONCERN ABOUT THAT EXTRA COST GOING TO OUR RESIDENTS. IF THEY BUILD IT THE NEXT COUNTY OVER, WE'RE STILL GOING TO SEE THE INCREASE IN POWER BILLS.
WELL, I TALKED TO SEVERAL OF SOME ENGINEERING FIRMS THAT I DO BUSINESS WITH, AND THEY SAY THAT.
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AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BECAUSE I KNOW, JACK, YOU KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS.IS THAT IT USED TO BE WATER. OKAY? NOW WATER'S GONE AND IT'S ALL POWER NOW.
THERE ARE SEVERAL SITES IN SUFFOLK. THEY'RE ABOUT TO CLOSE ON IS WHAT THEY'RE TELLING ME.
SO THEY WANT WHAT? CHEAP LAND WITH POWER AND THAT'S IT.
YOU'VE GOT THOSE TWO THINGS AND YOU'VE GOT A CONTRACT GIVING YOU 25 TIMES OR LEASING IT FOR AT LEAST 50 TO 100 TIMES MORE. CORRECT. AND THAT IS VERY LUCRATIVE TO A LOT OF FOLKS.
YEAH. NOT EVERYBODY KIND OF HAS OUR ATTITUDE.
SO I THINK WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT, WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY OUR POWER RICH AREAS BECAUSE I'M KIND OF IGNORANT BECAUSE I'M NOT AN ENGINEER AND I HAVE TO ASK THE ENGINEERS, WELL, YOU KNOW, IN BOYKINS NEAR THE POWER STATION.
YOU KNOW, SOME PLACES YOU CAN HOOK UP, SOME PLACES YOU CAN'T.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST STEP IS TO IDENTIFY WHERE THERE IS A.
AND I JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE THOSE AREAS ARE, AS A NON-ENGINEER.
SO THAT WOULD BE STEP ONE. AND THEN STEP TWO WOULD BE TO POSSIBLY DO SOME TYPE OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, RIGHT? YEAH. TO SAY, AND I DON'T THINK WE WOULD NEED A WHOLE LOT OF AREAS, MAYBE TWO, THREE, IS THAT TOO MANY? OF AREAS AND THEN SIZE OF THE AREA, IT SEEMS TO BE THAT WE WOULD NEED AT LEAST A HUNDRED ACRE, PROBABLY.
THOSE TWO METRICS, IT'S GOING TO REALLY DWINDLE DOWN THE POSSIBLE AREAS.
JUST THINKING, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE BIG BLOCKS OF LAND IS PROBABLY IN AGRICULTURE USE AND THEY'RE NOT EVER INTERESTED IN THAT. SO I THINK THAT'S A BALANCING ACT.
WE WOULD HAVE TO. BECAUSE LET'S TAKE YOUR FARM, FOR EXAMPLE, OR TAKE ME AND ALAN'S RIVER FARM.
OKAY? AND WE'RE PUTTING A CONSERVATION EASEMENT ON.
WE COULD REZONE THAT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ALL DAY, BUT IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.
RIGHT. SO I THINK THAT YOU HAVE TO PUT SOME COMMON SENSE FACTOR INTO A LOT OF THIS, THAT NORTHERN VIRGINIA AND THOSE PLACES, BECAUSE THE BUILD OUT WAS SO QUICK, THEY WERE JUST SCRAMBLING FOR ANY LAND THAT WAS KIND OF EXTRA LAND OR THROWAWAY LAND. I'M SURE THERE'S A TERM FOR THAT THAT'S BETTER THAN THROWAWAY LAND, BUT THAT'S KIND OF HOW IT HAPPENED IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA.
AND THEN MECKLENBURG KIND OF BENEFITED BECAUSE THEY HAD THE WATER SUPPLY.
THEY DON'T EVEN NEED THAT WATER IS OUT THE WINDOW.
BUT I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE YES, SIR. I WONDERED MYSELF BECAUSE I WAS THERE WHEN IT WAS.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S WATER AVAILABLE TO DRILL WELLS AND I DON'T KNOW WHO TO ASK.
YEAH, THAT'S A TRICKY SUBJECT, BECAUSE I KNOW FRANKLIN HAS WATER ISSUES.
YOU KNOW, JUST ON THEIR THEIR DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY A. BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME GETTING THEIR WITHDRAWAL PERMIT, INCREASE THE RATE, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE. WHAT IS IT? AFTER THE FARM? NOT FARM. WHAT IS IT? WHAT'S THAT PLACE? THE MILL. AFTER THE PAPER MILL SHUT DOWN, THE WATER DEMAND DECREASED.
SO THEN DEQ SAID, WELL, OKAY, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP IT THERE.
YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T ALLOW FOR ANY ROOM FOR GROWTH OR WATER DEMAND DUE TO GROWTH IN THE CITY.
SO NOW FRANKLIN IS HAVING TO KIND OF NEGOTIATE FOR INCREASE IN WATER.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S CAUSING THE PROBLEM WITH THE JUICE FACTORY.
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YOU KNOW, DEQ PROBABLY DOESN'T WANT TO INCREASE THE WATER WITHDRAWAL.LOOK, WE MIGHT AS WELL TAKE THIS BACK. MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE THIS.
THESE COMPANIES HAVE A WAY OF, YOU KNOW, JIGGLING AROUND AND AROUND AND IN AND OUT AND.
THERE'S A SIGN UP SAYS GLOBAL CONCENTRATE OVER THERE. OH, YEAH.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MEANS THAT THEY'RE GETTING CLOSER OR THEY'RE JUST KIND OF USING THAT AS LIKE A STAGING GROUND, DEPENDING ON SEE WHAT HAPPENS. OH, OKAY. YEAH.
BUT THE WATER PERMITS STAYED THE SAME EVEN THOUGH IP CLOSED.
THEY KEPT THEIR WATER PERMIT GOING, WHICH IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
I HEARD THAT ALSO. YEAH. THEY HAD PLANS AND ACTUALLY A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW, BUT THEY HAD A SKELETON CREW GOING THROUGH THERE ALL THE TIME, STARTING EQUIPMENT. BECAUSE IF THEY LOST IT, THEY SAID THEY'D NEVER BE ABLE TO GET THAT. EXACTLY, RIGHT. YEAH. AND I HAVE BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS WITH ONE GUY, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS JUST HIS THING.
WATER PERMITS. AND HE TALKS ABOUT FRANKLIN IS TAUGHT NATIONWIDE ON HOW MUCH HOW IT PULLS THE WATER DOWN AND THE SALT WATER MOVING IN. THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS HE WAS GOING THROUGH.
REALLY CAUGHT MY ATTENTION. AND THIS GUY WAS IN FINANCE.
HE HAD, YOU KNOW, IT WAS JUST HIS THING THAT HE DID PRIOR TO GETTING INTO FINANCE.
I KNOW WE DUG 1 IN 8 AND ANOTHER ONE IN DOUBLE ONE.
I THINK IT WAS IN 80 AND ANOTHER 1 IN 95, AND THE WATER HAD DROPPED 15FT IN THAT 15 YEARS.
AND THEN IT STARTED BACK UP DURING THAT TIME, SO.
WATER, I'M NOT FOLLOWING THE POINT OF YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE WATER IS NOT AN ISSUE.
THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO USE AS MUCH WATER.
HAVING TO USE HARDLY ANY WATER NOW. THEY'RE USING NATURAL GAS FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
THEY'RE USING NATURAL GAS AS ANOTHER PRODUCT TO HELP COOL THE SERVERS.
I'LL ASK OUR ENGINEER. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE TECHNOLOGY THAT GOT AWAY FROM THE WATER? HOW'D THEY DO THAT? REAGAN SAID NATURAL GAS. NATURAL GAS.
AND IT WAS INEFFICIENT. COST TOO MUCH MONEY SO THEY'RE USING GAS.
SOME TYPE OF GAS. IT'S LIKE. YOU SAID NATURAL GAS, I HEARD.
YEAH. I'M NOT SURE, BUT IT'S CHEAPER AND LONGER TERM.
AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, AND BRIAN AND CHRIS WERE EDUCATING ME ON THIS BECAUSE I WAS INTERESTED ABOUT IT, BUT THIS TECHNOLOGY IS SOMETHING BRAND NEW. I MEAN, LAST YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF IS THE WAY THAT THEY TALK.
AND THERE ARE PROJECTS IN SUFFOLK THAT ARE ABOUT TO BE APPROVED.
OH, REALLY? OH. IS WHAT THEY TOLD ME. AND THEY'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF DOING THIS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY GET PAID TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE US A SITE. RIGHT.
AND THEY GET THE JOB, THEY GET IT APPROVED. OKAY.
WELL, HOW ABOUT THE DISCUSSION OF THE DATA CENTERS HAVING A PERMIT TO PRODUCE THEIR OWN ELECTRICITY? AND I THINK I READ SOMETHING ABOUT THEY COULD PUT IN MANY SMALL NUCLEAR CENTERS.
WE HEARD THAT TOO. AND I´VE HEARD OF THAT, BUT THAT IS NOT.
BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO SPEND THAT MONEY. THEY WANT TO HAVE THE POWER AVAILABLE IN SUFFOLK.
AND THEY'RE LOOKING VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE POWER STATIONS.
AND THAT'S JUST WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE. AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TELLING ME.
PROBABLY TOYING WITH THAT IDEA. SO WHEN THEY RUN OUT OF LAND CLOSE TO THE POWER STATIONS, THEY CAN MOVE IT SOMEWHERE OFF OF THAT AREA AND HAVE THEIR OWN LITTLE MINI POWER PLANT, KIND OF DO IT. IF IT'S NOT CLOSE ENOUGH. WELL, AND WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MONEY, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY'RE PAYING PER ACRE FOR LAND, IT BOGGLES MY MIND BECAUSE I HEARD SOMEBODY IN THE INDUSTRY SAYING UP IN LOUDOUN COUNTY THAT IT WAS TOUCHING $1 MILLION AN ACRE. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE COMING DOWN HERE, BECAUSE IT'S CHEAP.
WELL, AND THEN I HEARD SOMEBODY SOLD SOME IN VIRGINIA BEACH AREA.
$200,000 AN ACRE. AND IT WAS A 200 ACRE BLOCK.
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IT WASN'T JUST SMALL ACREAGE. THAT MESSED UP MY TAXES.THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT IS.
SO THAT'S NOT SOMEBODY BLOWING UP. YOU'RE HEARING SOME LARGE AMOUNTS PER ACRE.
PUTTING THEM UNDER CONTRACT NOW. AND THERE'S 2 OR 3 IN SUFFOLK THAT ARE ABOUT TO START.
OKAY. I HAVE TO CALL SUFFOLK. IT'S MORE OF A COMPLEX PROCESS THAN THE.
BECAUSE THAT'S JUST A SLIVER OF THEIR BUSINESS.
BUT, YOU KNOW. VERY INTERESTING. AND I THINK ONE THING HE BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE SETBACKS AND THE LANDSCAPING AND ALL THAT, I MEAN, WE HAVE THAT LANDSCAPING ORDINANCE FOR INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY.
WE JUST DID, YOU KNOW WHAT, LAST YEAR? YEAR BEFORE LAST WHEN WE DID THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT, AS FAR AS THE SETBACKS AND THE SCREENING AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
1000FT, I THINK THAT WAS RECOMMENDED. AND THAT PROBABLY WOULD NEVER EVEN BE AN OPTION IN SUFFOLK, BECAUSE THE LAND IS SO MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE THAN OUT HERE.
CORRECT. BUT. YOU KNOW, WHAT'S OUR TIME FRAME IF IT'S IN SUFFOLK? 10, 15 YEARS? YEAH. TO THE MOON AND TENNESSEE. RIGHT THERE.
RIGHT THERE. BUT I WAS SURPRISED WITH THAT INFORMATION.
I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS FURTHER AWAY. AND HE SAID, OH NO, THEY'RE COMING.
SO THEN I ASKED THE NEXT QUESTION AND THEN THE NEXT QUESTION AND THEN THE NEXT QUESTION.
WHAT KIND OF GEAR BY POPULATION DO.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WORK ON IT UNLESS THEY'RE PAID.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT CHEAP. I CAN SAY THAT FOR PERSONAL, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE VERY SMART I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT MESSING WITH IT FOR FREE, I CAN ASSURE YOU OF THAT.
SURE. I CAN ZOOM IN. NO, NO, THAT'S GOOD. OKAY.
DID YOU GET IT? YEAH. OH, YEAH. SO THIS IS BOYDTON.
ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ROUTE 58 RIGHT THERE. OKAY, SO LOOK WHAT THEY'VE GOT.
THAT'S SQUARE MILES OF ROOF. IT'S BRAND NEW TECHNOLOGY.
HOW LONG DO WE THINK THIS TECHNOLOGY BEFORE THEY FIGURE OUT HOW TO PUT IT IN A CHRISTMAS ORNAMENT? WHAT HAPPENS TO ALL THAT WHEN THEY'RE DONE? IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO RESELL IT TO A DIFFERENT TRUCKING COMPANY.
IT'S NOT GOING TO SELL IT TO A DIFFERENT DATA CENTER.
SO ONE THING WOULD HAVE TO BE. A CLOSE OUT PLAN WOULD HAVE TO BE INCLUDED WITH THEIR MOTHER, MAY I REQUEST. THEY'VE GOT TO BE REQUIRED TO TAKE ALL THAT DOWN.
REAGAN. YES. LOOK AT ALL THAT ROOF AREA. THAT LITTLE POND RIGHT THERE.
YEAH, ONE LITTLE POND. BUT THE REST OF IT PROBABLY GOES INTO THE WOODS.
I COULDN'T GET A 711 ON THAT LITTLE POND. EXACTLY.
SO THEY'RE DOING STUFF. THEY'RE SMARTER THAN WE ARE.
ALL WE CAN DO IS BE AS SMART AS WE CAN BE. AND I THINK THIS AND THINKING ABOUT IT IS INVALUABLE.
WHERE'S ALL THEIR BNP PONDS, REAGAN? I KNOW.
WELL, MAYBE IF YOU ZOOM OUT AND LOOK AT LAKE GASTON.
MAYBE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE USING. OH, NO, THEY CAN'T USE THAT AS A BEAM. NO, NOT AT ALL.
SO THAT'S A HUGE. HOW MANY ACRES IS THAT? DO YOU KNOW? WHAT'S YOUR ESTIMATE? UNBELIEVABLE. I COULD MEASURE IT IF I WAS IN MY OFFICE.
OVER 100? OH. WAY OVER. OH, NO, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY 10,000.
IT'S THAT BIG. OKAY. SO, MR. CLAUD. THOUSAND ACRES, IS IT? WOW. IS IT A SAFE ANALOGY THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO MANIPULATE THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GETTING INTO? YEAH. BECAUSE WE'RE NOT INFORMED? YEAH, WELL, WHEN YOU GUYS WENT TO THE SHOW AND THEY FED YOU THAT REALLY, REALLY GOOD SANDWICH AND TOLD YOU EVERYTHING THAT WAS WONDERFUL ABOUT IT, THEY DIDN'T TELL YOU ANYTHING BAD. THEY DIDN'T EVEN LET YOU COME CLOSE TO SMELLING SOMETHING BAD.
THEY DIDN'T EVEN LET THEM TAKE PICTURES. RIGHT.
DON'T TAKE NO PICTURES. AND MR. MANN, IN THAT KIND OF THING, WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE SOLAR?
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WHEN WE WENT, COMMUNITY SOLAR CAME BEFORE US.WERE THEY TRYING TO MANIPULATE US AND CATCH US UNPREPARED? OKAY? RIGHT, I AGREE. I AGREE. NOW I'M LOOKING AT IT.
I DON'T KNOW A WHOLE LOT ABOUT THE RUNOFF WITH THE WATER, WITH THE WAREHOUSING AND ALL, BUT I SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. BUT DOESN'T THE STATE SET THOSE REGULATIONS? AS FAR AS DEQ? I DON'T KNOW, BUT THEN. FOR WHAT? FOR WATER RUNOFF. OH YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S ALL. YEAH.
THAT'S ALL. YEAH. INCLUDED IN YOUR SITE PLAN.
I MEAN, THE LOCALITY HAS A LOT OF. YEAH. YEAH.
THIS GOT USED TO WHAT YOU DO. CORRECT. OKAY. CORRECT.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS PARTICULAR TOWN IS.
MECKLENBURG. WELL, THAT ONE. YEAH. WELL, THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.
BOYNTON? YEAH, IT'S MECKLENBURG. IT'S RIGHT BEFORE YOU GET TO MECKLENBURG, RIGHT? I THINK I WENT THERE, BUT IT'S IN MECKLENBURG COUNTY.
YEAH. YEAH. IT'S RIGHT BEFORE YOU GET TO THE CITY, RIGHT? YEAH. I THINK IT'S RIGHT BEFORE CLARKSVILLE. RIGHT BY THE COUNTY.
MECKLENBURG, RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. NOW, THEY MAY TURN OVER THEIR PLAN REVIEW AND ALL THAT ENVIRONMENTAL STUFF TO THE STATE, TO DEQ THEMSELVES TO DO THAT PLAN REVIEW FOR STUFF LIKE THAT.
YOU KNOW, THEY MAY NOT HAVE PEOPLE ON STAFF. SO I'M SURE ALL OF THAT WAS LOOKED AT.
I MEAN, THEY HAVE OTHER LITTLE PONDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT OVER HERE.
HOW OLD DO YOU THINK. THAT'S A BIG ONE. BUT THEY GOT LITTLE SMALL ONES HERE.
YEAH. FIVE YEARS THEY GOT REALLY SMALL. YEAH.
IT'S CRAZY THERE. IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE BIGGEST ONE IN THE CENTER.
BUT THE SMALLER ONES AROUND THE PERIMETER. EXACTLY.
YEAH, BUT THIS FACILITY DOES USE A LOT OF WATER.
IS THAT RIGHT? I BELIEVE THIS ONE DOES, BUT I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE.
RIGHT, EXACTLY. I DO REMEMBER THE ONE AT MECKLENBURG THAT WE VISITED.
YEAH. THAT WAS HALF THAT. THEY WERE USING UTILITY WATER.
AND THEN ALSO IT WASN'T ENOUGH. SO THEY PUT UP THEIR OWN WELL AND WATER TANK ON THE PREMISES.
RIGHT. FOR USE AT THAT. IT WAS ACTUALLY TWO FACILITIES, RIGHT? THE ONE WE TAKE PICTURES AT AND THEN TURN AROUND AT THE BACK, ONE, JUST ONE RIGHT IN THE REAR.
JUST TURN AROUND. CAME OUT. BUT THAT WATER TOWER I THINK WAS FOR BOTH OF THOSE.
YEAH. AND THEY HAVE A SUBSTATION AND A WATER TOWER ALL ON THE SAME SITE.
YEAH. SO THEY HAD, THEY PUT IN THAT OLD WATER TANK JUST FOR THOSE TWO CENTERS.
YEAH, THE RAC AND THEY HAD STARTED REPLACING THEM AND THEY WERE HALF THE SIZE.
RIGHT. TO UPDATE THE UPDATED ONE. RIGHT. JUST PULL THEM OUT.
PULL IT OUT. IT'S GOT WIRING CONNECTORS. CORRECT.
AND THE COOLANT PIPES BECAUSE THEY STILL USE WATER.
YEAH. AND THE WATER ACTUALLY RUN THROUGH THESE UNITS.
YOU CAN'T STICK THEM RIGHT BACK IN, SO LIKE LEGOS.
YEAH. THAT CONSTRUCTION OF ANOTHER TO THE RIGHT THERE, I THINK IT IS.
THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. YEAH, I THINK IT IS.
IT HAD BEEN A CATTLE FARM FOR EVER AND EVER AND EVER.
AND THE PEOPLE THAT OWNED IT WERE GONE. SO IT'S JUST IMMENSE.
YEAH. YEAH. IT'S CRAZY. I NEVER NOTICED IT GOING DOWN 58.
BUT. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO ANY PLACE WHERE THEY CAN'T EXPAND BECAUSE THE DATA IS EXPANDING, EXPANDING, EXPANDING. SO. AND YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT LIKE DECOMMISSIONING.
WELL, NOT DECOMMISSIONING, WE TALKED ABOUT IT A LOT. BUT LIKE AS THINGS TECHNOLOGY GETS BETTER, DO YOU THINK THEY WOULD CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE BUILDINGS, BUT THEY COULD BE ABLE TO STORE MORE DATA ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF? BECAUSE, I MEAN, AS POPULATION, AS THINGS REQUIRE INTERNET, THEY'RE GOING TO NEED A PLACE TO PUT IT.
YEAH. BUT, YOU KNOW, 2001 A SPACE ODYSSEY, ALL THAT WOULD BE IN THIS VOLUME.
SO YEAH, EVERYTHING IS GETTING SMALLER AND SMALLER AND SMALLER AND SMALLER.
SO. BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION. YOU KNOW, WE BUILD METAL WAREHOUSES ALL THE TIME.
50, 75 YEAR SHELF LIFE WAS ABOUT ALL THEY GOT.
THEY GOT TO COME DOWN AND THE NEW STUFF COME UP YOUR MINI STORAGE.
HOW LONG DO THEY ANTICIPATE THOSE TO LAST? 60 YEARS.
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SO THEY'RE USING THE SAME METAL. SO METAL BUILDING IS A METAL BUILDING.IT'S SOME 40 YEARS. YOU PROBABLY SHOULD JUST SCRAP IT AND START AND JUST PUT UP NEW BUILDINGS BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT YOUR CONCRETE FOUNDATION WILL LAST 500 TECHNOLOGY IS GOING TO BE IN 60 YEARS. NOBODY KNOWS. RIGHT, RIGHT, EXACTLY.
YEAH. THEY'LL THEY'LL ADJUST, I'M SURE. WELL, AND THE REASON THAT THAT COMES TO MIND IS BECAUSE THE FIRST SOLAR PANELS, THOSE GUYS CAME IN, THEY HAD A 15 YEAR LEASE OR WHATEVER IT WAS, TOOK OVER THE FARM.
PUT ALL THAT STUFF IN. PAID THAT GUY GREAT MONEY FOR THE TIME.
HIS LEASE WAS ONE YEAR FROM UP. THEY ABANDONED THE SITE AND ALL THOSE PANELS ARE SITTING THERE.
AND I THINK AT THE TIME THERE WAS $20 WORTH OF SILVER IN EACH PANEL, BUT IT COST $20 TO RECYCLE IT.
SO IT WAS. YEAH, THE SALVAGE VALUE IS ZERO. YEAH.
SO IT WAS THE BEST HE COULD DO TO GET IT TO DO ALL THE WORK FOR NOTHING.
I THINK FOR SOMETHING THAT BIG, IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO IS HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET OUT OF THIS? TAX REVENUE HAS TO BE GAME CHANGER. THAT'S THE SAME PROBLEM WITH THE SOLAR FARM.
IT COST YOU FIVE TIMES TO TEAR IT DOWN AND GET RID OF IT.
WHAT IT DOES TO BUILD IT. WE WERE TOLD THAT YEARS AGO WE WENT TO HALIFAX FROM THE ENGINEERS.
SO I MEAN, IT'S AND THESE COMPANIES ARE VERY WORRISOME.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THEM HAVE GONE OUT OF BUSINESS.
AND THEN WHAT DO YOU DO? SAME THING WITH THIS.
IF WE REQUIRED THEM TO FLOAT A BOND. YEAH. WELL WE HAVE THAT REQUIREMENT, BUT IS THAT COVERED? I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT COVERS. I DON'T KNOW, IT'S GOT TO BE REEVALUATED EVERY FIVE YEARS, EVERY FIVE YEARS. AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S NEAR ENOUGH TO COVER IT.
I MEAN, LOOK WHAT PRICES HAVE DONE IN FIVE YEARS, RIGHT? YEAH. THE QUESTION IS TONIGHT, ARE WE GOING TO KEEP ON? WE NEED TO GET SOME MORE OF THESE AND WE GO TO YEAH PICK OUT.
LET'S GET SOME COUNTIES THAT ARE HAPPY WITH IT AND COUNTIES THAT ARE HAPPY WITH IT.
OKAY. MAKE SOME STUFF TOGETHER. OKAY, I CAN DO SOME MORE RESEARCH ON THAT.
IN YOUR DISCUSSIONS AND YOU TALKED ABOUT THE WATER'S NOT A FACTOR NOW.
THE OLD FACILITIES. AND IF THIS IS ONLY FIVE YEARS OLD, THAT'S NOT MY DEFINITION OF OLD.
BUT CAN THEY CONVERT THAT TECHNOLOGY DEALING WITH GAS INTO THE ONES THAT WERE DESIGNED FOR COOLING WITH WATER? THEY CAN, BUT NOT ALL OF THEM BECAUSE SOME OF IT, IT'S A COST BENEFIT.
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG NOW BECAUSE I'M REGURGITATING WHAT I WAS TOLD.
OKAY, SO YES, THEY CAN BE CONVERTED AND THEY'RE CONVERTING A LOT OF THEM, BUT SOME OF THEM CANNOT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO COST TOO MUCH MONEY BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A BOARD OF DIRECTORS, AND THEY'RE GOING TO DO AN ECONOMIC ANALYSIS, AND A LOT OF THEM ARE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO KEEP USING THE WATER BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO COST TOO MUCH TO CONVERT IT.
JUST THINK OF YOUR INVESTMENT HERE. I MEAN, BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, RIGHT? I MEAN, EXACTLY. THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE IT LASTS. AND YOU KNOW, THE ONES GOING UP IN SUFFOLK IS NOT USING A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WATER, IS IT? PROBABLY NO ONE. IT'S ALL THIS INERT GAS.
AND THE POINT OF THE WATER IS JUST TO COOL SO IT DOESN'T OVERHEAT.
SO IT'S THE GAS RECYCLED, KIND OF LIKE FREON? THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. I DON'T KNOW, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD IT.
I'LL DO SOME MORE RESEARCH ON THAT.
YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY GAME NOW IS JUST POWER THAT THEY DON'T.
WELL THAT THAT'S OFF THE TABLE NOW. AND THEY, THEY DON'T THEY'RE NOT CONCERNED.
IT'S ALL ABOUT THE POWER. JUST A QUICK QUESTION TOO.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY KNOWS THIS, I MEAN, WHAT'S THE CAPACITY OF THE POWER PLANT ON 671? ARE THEY RUNNING AT 100%? LIKE, I MEAN, DO THEY HAVE ROOM TO PRODUCE MORE POWER? OR IS IT LIKE THEY ARE AT THEIR LIMIT? I DON'T KNOW.
THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I'M NOT SURE. BECAUSE, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE ONE IN BRUNSWICK IS PROBABLY NOT AT ITS LIMIT, THE BIG ONE THAT THEY GOT THERE BECAUSE THEY GOT THE TWO NOW THE ONE ON THE LEFT SIDE AS YOU GO DOWN.
AND THEN THERE'S THAT NUCLEAR PLANT. IT'S JUST CURIOSITY MORE THAN ANYTHING JUST TO KNOW IF THEY'RE AT 100%, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY CAN'T TAKE ON ANY BIG THING LIKE THAT OR IF THEY HAVE ROOM FOR.
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YEAH. YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. LIKE I SAID, I CAN REACH OUT TO SILVA OR, YOU KNOW, I CAN REACH OUT TO A DOMINION AND FIND OUT WHAT THEIR CAPABILITIES ARE.IT'S AMAZING TO ME THAT. SOMETHING LIKE THIS, AND WE DON'T REALLY KNOW MUCH ABOUT IT.
I MEAN, I JUST FIND THAT, YEAH, I'M AMAZED THAT WE WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO KNOW MUCH ABOUT IT.
YEAH, EXACTLY. RIGHT. YEAH. I MEAN, I DROVE RIGHT BY IT.
THAT'S JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS BACK AND I DIDN'T SPOT IT.
I FLOAT BY GOOGLE EARTH IN LANDSLIDE ALL DAY, EVERY DAY IN MY BUSINESS.
AND I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE THAT. YOU CAN'T SEE LAKE GASTON, BUT YOU CAN SEE ALL THAT WHITE ROOF.
BECAUSE LIKE ON YOUTUBE, THERE'S A BUNCH OF CITIES BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE LAND. SO THEY'RE LIKE REPURPOSING OLD BUILDINGS, RIGHT? AND DOING FLOORS AND FLOORS AND FLOORS OF ALL THESE RACKS AND DATA CENTER AND EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE IT A DATA CENTER.
SO IT'S KIND OF, I MEAN, THERE'S A BUNCH OF THEM ON LIKE YOUTUBE AND INTERNET.
YOU CAN WATCH HOW THEY CONVERTED ALL THESE OLD BUILDINGS.
SO THEY'RE USING THE CARBON FOOTPRINT WE'VE ALREADY LEFT.
WE GOT CAMP PARKWAY. THERE YOU GO. GOT WAREHOUSES? YEAH, $77,000 AN ACRE FOR THAT. THAT'S A THAT WOULD BE A STEAL.
I MEAN, JUST BECAUSE WE'VE GOT LAND DOESN'T MEAN WE'VE GOT AN OVERABUNDANT AMOUNT OF LAND, YOU KNOW, AND THE LESS ACRES WE CAN TAKE OUT OF PRODUCTION, WHETHER IT'S FORESTRY OR AG OR WHATEVER, AND YOU GO UP WITH IT, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE CONSIDER WITH OUR OUR OWN ORDINANCE.
SO WHO HAS THE ORDINANCE? WHAT ARE SOME OF THE LOCALITIES THAT HAVE A GOOD SOLID ORDINANCE? WELL, THE ONES I PROVIDED FOR YOU, THE STAFFORD COUNTY AND PETERSBURG.
AND OF COURSE, LOUDON. DO WE HAVE MECKLENBURG? DOES MECKLENBURG. YOU KNOW, I LOOK FOR MECKLENBURG.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE ONE. THEY GOT THE DATA CENTER, BUT I DIDN'T.
WHEN I WENT ON THEIR WEBSITE. AND THEY'RE REALLY.
THEY'RE REALLY PUSHING THEM. I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S THEY WANT THEM.
THEY DO. AFTER YOU GET THIS PAYMENT RIGHT HERE.
YEAH. THEY EXPECTED THE NEXT TEN YEARS TO HAVE ABOUT $300 MILLION IN PROPERTIES ON LAKE ASTON, TOO. SO YEAH, I MEAN, THEY'RE PAYING FOR SCHOOLS WITH CASH, YOU KNOW.
YEAH, 30, $37 MILLION. THEY JUST BUILT A SCHOOL TWO YEARS AGO.
YEAH. BRAND NEW HIGH SCHOOL. AND IT LOOKS GOOD.
YEAH. AND PROPERTY VALUES GONE OUT OF THE ROOF AS WELL.
I THINK AROUND THE LAKE THEY HAVE I'M UNAWARE OF, YOU KNOW, I'VE JUST HEARD THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COST OF TRYING TO GET A HOME IN THAT AREA.
JUST GONE. OUT OF THE ROOF. YOU SPEAK. SPEAKING OF THAT, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LONG BEFORE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS STANDING THERE WITH US, TRYING TO TELL HIM HE CAN'T HAVE $1 BILLION.
WELL, IT'S. IT'S ALL AROUND US, SO WE BETTER WE BETTER GET THIS ORDINANCE IN PLACE.
WELL, LET'S GET SOME. LET'S GET SOME MORE LOCALITIES AND SIT DOWN AND PICK THEM APART.
AND I LIKE TO SEE SOME PLACES THAT WHERE THEY LOVE IT AND SOME PLACES WHERE THEY, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PLACES WHO COTTAGE AROUND RICHMOND WHERE THEY SAY, NO, THEY'RE NOT DOING IT ANYMORE.
ON YOUR FIELD TRIP, DID YOU SPEAK TO ANY FOLKS FROM MECKLENBURG.
THAT'S WHERE WE WENT. WHAT WHAT WAS THE GENERAL CONSENSUS? POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE? OH. VERY POSITIVE. POSITIVE.
WELL, THAT'S MY IMPRESSION OF MY CLIENTS OUT THERE.
BUT THEY LOVE THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE PAYING THEIR TAXES. THESE WERE GOVERNMENT PEOPLE THAT YOU TALKED TO, RIGHT? THIS IS YOUR. YES. YES. THIS WAS THE. NOT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, BUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PERSON. AND THEN THE PEOPLE WITH THE DATA, THE DATA CENTER.
RIGHT. IT WAS THREE, THREE. SO Y'ALL DIDN'T HAVE LIKE A MANAGER OR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
THEY COULDN'T ANSWER HOW MUCH WATER THEY USED.
THEY COULDN'T ANSWER HOW MUCH ELECTRICITY THEY USED.
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THEY JUST SAID THEY DIDN'T KNOW. THEY SAID THAT THE PEOPLE IN THE MEETING COULD NOT ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.AND THEY COULDN'T ANSWER HOW MANY PEOPLE WORKED THERE.
I MEAN, I ASKED. YEAH, IT'S MR. TO TELL YOU. I DIDN'T ASK.
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T SPEAK FOR TWO HOURS, I LISTENED.
IT WAS A SALES. WE WENT TO A SALES PITCH. THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.
I MEAN, THEY WERE READY FOR US. BUT DURING THE LUNCH HOUR, I DID GO.
BUT IT WAS STILL INTERESTING. IT WAS VERY WORTHWHILE.
I APPRECIATE MR. PRINCE ARRANGING THE MEETING AND WE'RE PROUD OF YOU. DIDN'T GO FOR IT.
BUT BASIC QUESTIONS THEY COULD NOT ANSWER. YEAH.
THEY DID NOT KNOW. THEY OUGHT TO KNOW. THEY KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE WORK THERE.
SO THEY PUT THEIR OWN WATER SYSTEM IN TO SUPPLEMENT.
WELL, YOU OUGHT TO. HOW MUCH WATER ARE THEY USING? I MEAN, SOME OF THEM HAVE INFORMATION, RIGHT? AND WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE HAD A DIRECTOR. YEAH, WE SHOULD HAVE HAD THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC UTILITIES AT THAT.
YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE ASKED HIM TO COME. AND IT WASN'T THE RIGHT.
BUT I SAW IT IN PROGRESS MAKING. SO, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T GET THE ANSWERS I WAS LOOKING FOR.
THERE WAS NO NOISE THAT THEY WERE THERE, BUT THERE WAS ALL THESE CATERPILLAR GENERATORS LINED UP, EQUALLY SPACED DOWN BESIDE THE BUILDINGS THERE.
BACK TO BACKUP. IT HAS TO HAVE CURRENT. IT HAS TO HAVE A CONTINUOUS SUPPLY OF CURRENT.
BECAUSE IF THE MAIN SUPPLY BLINKS, THE GENERATORS ARE GOING TO COME ON.
OR EVEN MAYBE, MAYBE THEY COULD USE BATTERIES.
I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT. YEAH. IT WAS IT HAS TO BE CONTINUOUS.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE WHEN THOSE 20 OR 30 GENERATORS IN EACH SIDE, EACH ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS WHEN THEY CRANK UP. YEAH. BUT THEY, BUT THEY LAY THE ICE, HE SAID.
BUT ALL THOSE GENERATORS AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT LIKE YOUR GENERAC BESIDE YOUR HOUSE.
IT'S THE BIG, BIG BOYS. YEAH. WELL THAT'S THAT'S THE REASON WE NEED TO MOVE ON.
I DON'T REALLY GET GET EVERYTHING TOGETHER OBJECTIVE. I DIDN'T GET OBJECTIVE SIDE OF IT.
WHOEVER COMES INTO THIS SPRING, SOMETHING ON THE SOUTHAMPTON.
SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE OURSELVES PROTECTED.
THAT PRIMARY REASON. YEAH. WHILE YOU'RE THERE, STOP RIGHT THERE, REAGAN, AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
THAT AERIAL. SEE, THERE'S 95 GOING UP THERE. 8 TO 5.
OH 95 RIGHT. YEAH. 85 AND THERE'S 95 OVER HERE.
RIGHT HERE. YOU CAN SEE THOSE BUILDINGS FROM THIS FAR UP.
YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU ARE RIGHT. OH MY GOODNESS. THAT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF HOW BIG THEY ARE.
I WAS TRYING TO FIND THE ONES THAT ARE. HOW ABOUT THAT.
TRYING TO FIND THE ONES THAT WE WE WENT AND VISITED.
WE DID THE VISITING. WE VISITED. LOOK AT SITES.
YOU KNOW, SIDE FIELD ARE PRETTY BIG CITY. I MEAN, YOU COULD WRITE SAFE HERE, RIGHT ON TOP.
YEAH. IS THAT WE WENT WE WENT TO SOUTH HILL AND.
YEAH, WE WENT THROUGH WE WENT THROUGH SOUTH HILL.
WE WENT THROUGH SOUTH HILL. OKAY. YEAH. SO I HAVE COMPARED IT TO BE SURE.
BUT I MEAN, THAT'S THE WHOLE NORTHWEST DISTRICT TO COVER THOSE THAT ROOF AREA.
THAT'S RIGHT. CAN YOU IMAGINE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO SHOW UP HERE? NOT ME. WHAT'S OVER HERE AT SOUTH BOSTON? THE WHITE AREA OVER THERE.
TO YOUR LEFT. TO THE LEFT. OVER HERE. KEEP ON GOING DUE WEST AND THEN GO UP SOUTH BOSTON RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT THERE. SEE THOSE BUILDINGS THERE? THE WHITE AREA THERE.
I WONDER WHAT MIGHT BE THAT MIGHT BE THE DOWNTOWN.
THAT'S WHERE WE WENT. SOUTH BOSTON. SO YOU IF YOU KEEP IT RIGHT THERE, YOU CAN COMPARE THE TWO
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TWO SITES. THAT'S THE DOWNTOWN. MADISON ONE ON THE FAR RIGHT.IT WAS IN SOUTH BALTIMORE. THAT MIGHT BE RIGHT THERE.
YEAH, DEFINITELY. I CAN. DO SOME MORE RESEARCH ON ALL THE LOCALITIES THAT, LIKE I SAID, HAD NEGATIVE, NEGATIVE AND POSITIVE.
RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. DO WE GO BACK AND ENTERTAIN THE IDEA OF A PERCENTAGE OF AMOUNT OF LAND IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY? WE WANT TO CONSIDER EVEN COMMITTING TO DATA CENTERS AS WELL, AND WE JUST PUT A CAP ON IT.
I MEAN, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE DID WITH SOLAR.
CORRECT? YEAH. NOT TO DO WHAT 1% OF THE. 1% OF THE COUNTY AREA, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, 10%, I WOULD SUSPECT.
REMEMBER WHEN THE AIR FORCE TRIED TO PUT A LANDING FIELD? YEAH. TOUCH AND GO FIELD, 30,000 ACRES. IT WAS CLOSE TO WAKEFIELD ROAD, WASN'T IT? THAT AREA. IT WAS ONE OF THEM, THE SUNBEAM. YEAH.
ONE OF THEM WAS AN HOUR, AN HOUR AWAY. MY BACK DOOR.
AND THAT CAME AND WENT. THAT WAS A HOT TOPIC.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT WENT AWAY. NEVER CAME BACK.
YEAH. I THINK WE'RE WASTING OUR TIME TRYING TO PLAN ANOTHER VISIT.
YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST GETTING READY TO SAY, DO YOU WANT ME TO TRY TO HELP PLAN ANOTHER VISIT SOMEWHERE? YOU KNOW. I MEAN, I CAN LOOK INTO IT MAYBE SOMEWHERE CLOSE BY RICO OR SOMEWHERE. WE HAVE ANOTHER CLOSE DATA CENTER OR EVEN SOMEWHERE WITH BATTERY STORAGE AND DATA CENTERS TOGETHER.
YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE ARE CO-LOCATED TOGETHER.
WELL, I THINK LOOKING AT THAT, WE HAVE TO COORDINATE A DATA CENTER NEXT TO A SUBSTATION.
WE WITNESSED A SUBSTATION GET PUT IN NEWSOMS IN A HURRY.
REALLY. THEY GOT TO DO IT. THEY'LL PUT IT IN.
YEAH, WELL, THAT'S THAT'S THE THING ABOUT MARILYN, THEY PUT THE DATA CENTER IN.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S AN OBLIGATION THAT EACH COMPANY HAS TO PROVIDE THE POWER TO IT.
AND THIS I WISH I HAD BROUGHT MY ARTICLE. IT'S LIKE A 36 MILE TRANSMISSION LINE IS DEDICATED JUST TO THAT DATA CENTER. NOTHING ELSE FOR THE LOCALITY.
IT'S JUST FOR THAT DATA CENTER AND THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IT IN.
IN FACT, THERE'S. THEY'VE GONE TO THE STATE LEGISLATURE AND INTRODUCED BILLS ABOUT DUE COMPENSATION FOR THE INTIMATE TAKING IT THROUGH EMINENT DOMAIN. BECAUSE IF YOU WANT TO IF YOU'RE NOT SATISFIED WITH THE ALTERNATIVE PAY, YOU CAN TAKE IT TO COURT.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A STATUE IN MARYLAND THAT WHETHER YOU WIN OR LOSE THAT HERON ABOUT. IS IT JUSTIFIABLE PAY OR NOT THAT THE ONE BRINGING FORTH THAT PETITION LANDOWNER DOES NOT HAVE TO PAY THE COURT ATTORNEY CALLS AND COURT COSTS AND IT'S SPECIFICALLY FOR DATA CENTER ISSUE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ON THE END ON THAT.
I'M GETTING THIS OUT OF A FARM PUBLICATION ON AGRICULTURAL PUBLICATION.
WE DON'T WE HAVE THE SAME SITUATION IN VIRGINIA THAT THERE'S AN AREA UP THERE THAT DOMINION IS PUTTING IN ACROSS LOUDOUN COUNTY AND SOME OF THOSE, THERE'S A NEW TRANSMISSION LINE BEING PROPOSED UP THAT WAY.
HAVE Y'ALL SEEN ANYTHING ON THAT ONE? I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT ONE.
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WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS ON THE NORTHERN PART OF THE SHORE.I ACTUALLY SAW THAT ADVERTISED ON A CABLE TV COMMERCIAL.
AND THERE'S SOME PEOPLE UP THERE THAT'S CLOSE TO LAKE ANNA AND THAT IS A AREA.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. AND I HATE TO READ STUFF AND NOT DOCUMENT IT.
AND THAT'S WHY I BRING IT UP HERE BECAUSE IT'S SO MUCH EXPOSURE HERE, RIGHT? BUT I DID GET A PHONE CALL FROM SOMEBODY THAT IS ASKING A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON WHAT THEY'VE GOT PROPERTY UP THERE AND IT'S FAMILY OWNED, FARM RELATED. AND WHAT WAS SOME OF THE TECHNIQUES THEY CAN USE TO STOP THIS? AND SO IT'S A REALITY. AND IT WAS AFTER THAT PHONE CALL I STARTED SEEING STUFF ADVERTISED ON TV AND IT WAS ADVERTISEMENTS TO PUSH IT, RIGHT? AND IT WAS DATA CENTER RELATED.
IT WAS FOR THE PURPOSE OF GETTING THAT. WELL, ELECTRICITY MOST DEFINITELY GOING TO CONTINUE TO RISE.
EVERYTHING YOU READ, WHETHER OR NOT YOUR POWER BILL IS GOING TO KEEP HAVING INCREASES. YEAH. I'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE PROXIMITY.
LIKE WE MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT THE ADJOINING COUNTY MAY ENTERTAIN SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
AND YOU SAID WE COULD BE CHARGED EXTRA BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE VICINITY OF IT.
WELL, I WAS READING THE TAIWAN NEWS THIS MORNING.
I KNOW IT WAS A DAY OR SO LATE, BUT THERE'S PEOPLE IN FRANKLIN THAT'S HAVING PROBLEMS PAYING THEIR BILLS RIGHT NOW, SO I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK OUT FOR THE CITIZEN´S POINT OF VIEW, YOU KNOW, ABOUT INCREASING UTILITY COSTS.
I MEAN, I THINK WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION THERE. UNLESS WE'RE SEEING GREAT BENEFITS.
YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO LOOK AT THE BENEFITS VERSUS THE NEGATIVE SIDE.
SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE GOT TO DECIPHER TO MAKE A DECISION.
BUT WHAT I DON'T WANT IS FOR MR. PRINCE TO HAVE AN APPLICATION TO COME FORWARD, BECAUSE HE'LL HAVE TO PRESENT IT TO US IN SO MANY DAYS OR WEEKS OR WHATEVER. I MEAN, YOU CAN'T JUST HOLD IT AND THEN WE'D NOT BE PREPARED.
BUT THEN YOU GO ON THE DEFENSE. I WANT TO BE ON THE OFFENSE.
I DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE THE SOLAR. THE SOLAR COMING IN ON US AS A SURPRISE.
RIGHT. WE WERE NOT PREPARED. AND WE TRIED TO GET PREPARED AS QUICK AS WE COULD AND DEVOTE A LOT OF TIME TO THAT. BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE ON DEFENSE. I WANT TO BE ON THE OFFENSIVE SIDE AND SAY, IF YOU DO IT, THIS IS THE WAY WE WANT IT DONE. CORRECT. YEAH.
WELL, NOBODY'S GOING TO COME HERE WITH AN APPLICATION UNLESS THEY HAVE THEIR DUCKS TOGETHER, RIGHT? WE NEED TO BE PROACTIVE ABOUT THIS. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU'RE GOING TO KNOW ABOUT IT. I KNEW THERE WAS ONE SOLAR COMPANY THAT I CHATTED WITH AND I ASKED THE PERSON, I SAID, HAVE YOU PRESENTED ANY OF THIS TO THE COUNTY? YOU KNOW, WHAT'S ON THE ORDINANCE? AND I WAS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE GUY DIDN'T KNOW THAT.
AND HIS COMMENT WAS, THEY'RE THE LAST FOLKS WE WANT TO CONTACT.
WE WANT EVERYTHING IN PLACE BEFORE WE GO TO THE COUNTY.
I SAID, OKAY. SO BY THE TIME WE HEAR IT, THESE GUYS ARE GOING TO ALREADY HAVE.
AND EVEN THE SOLAR COMPANIES WHEN THEY GOT PEOPLE TO SIGN THE AGREEMENTS.
INTENT. THE INTENT, THEY WERE COMMITTED TO SECRECY.
YOU COULD NOT DISCUSS IT FOR NOTHING. YEAH. THE ONE IN BOYKINS THAT WAS ACTUALLY A PARCEL OF LAND, WAS UNDER INTENTIONAL CONTRACT FOR FOUR YEARS BEFORE IT EVER HIT THE STREET.
I KNOW THE PROJECTS I DO, TYPICALLY I WOULD BE DEALING WITH REAGAN AND HIS STAFF.
IT WOULD ALL BE DONE. YEAH. AND THEN, NOW, I'VE NOTICED IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, IT CAN TAKE YEARS FOR A SIMPLE APPLICATION TO ACTUALLY GET ON THE AGENDA.
THE BIGGER MUNICIPALITIES, I THINK THEY HAVE DIRECTED THEIR PLANNING DEPARTMENTS.
DON'T YOU KEEP US HERE PAST MIDNIGHT. RIGHT. AND SO I CAN'T GET ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE.
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I THINK THE CONSENSUS, I THINK, IF I'M READING YOU ALL CORRECTLY, THAT WE NEED TO STAY ON TOP OF THIS.AND REAGAN, IF YOU COULD. YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB, BY THE WAY, IF YOU COULD REACH OUT TO OTHER LOCALITIES TO GIVE US A BROADER VIEW, WHY SOME PLACES THEY'RE WELCOMING THESE APPLICATIONS, AND IN SOME PLACES THEY'RE PUTTING UP RESISTANCE. RIGHT. COULD YOU REACH OUT TO ROCKINGHAM COUNTY? BECAUSE I HAVE PEOPLE UP THERE WHO TOLD ME THAT THIS STUFF IS COMING THERE AND SEE WHAT THEY'VE DONE.
ROCKINGHAM COUNTY. OKAY. I THINK YEARS AGO THEY PUT IN A 5000 ACRE SOLAR, YOU KNOW, FARM. SO YEAH, LET ME SEE WHAT THEY'VE DONE.
YEAH. I REACHED OUT TO ROCKINGHAM AND HENRICO AND I WANT TO CALL LOUDOUN COUNTY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THEY SEEM TO BE THE HOT AREA RIGHT NOW.
I THINK THEY WERE DRAWING THEIR WATER FROM THE NEARBY RIVER.
AND SO. I'M THINKING I'LL GET TO MARYLAND. WE'D BE BETTER OFF.
YOU KNOW, THEY HAD THE DOG THING, YOU KNOW, A BILL THAT WENT THROUGH.
THAT'S GOING THROUGH. AND LOUDOUN COUNTY HAD THEMSELVES EXEMPTED.
OH, REALLY? MR. MANN. GO AHEAD. I KNOW WHAT WE DISCUSSED LAST MONTH.
WAS THAT M WORD? WE DON'T WANT TO SAY IT ON THE THING, BUT.
MORATORIUM. YEAH. THAT'S WHY BUT ANYWAY, DID WE GET ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY ON THAT? I DIDN'T PRESENT ANYTHING TO HIM, BUT I CAN ASK HIM ABOUT THAT DIRECTLY.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A POSITIVE ANSWER. OKAY.
YEAH. WELL, WE DIDN'T GET A POSITIVE ANSWER THE LAST TIME WE DID IT, DID WE? WE DID NOT. YEAH. THE LAW HASN'T CHANGED ON IT.
BUT IT WORKED. WELL, WE DID IT ANYWAY. WE DID IT ANYWAY.
AND I DON'T WANT TO GET CAUGHT SHORT LIKE WE DID.
AND SO IS THAT A REQUEST THAT HAS TO COME FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS? I THINK SO. TO ASK US TO CONSIDER THAT AND GO FROM THERE.
WHAT DO YOU THINK, JACK? I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S NO APPLICATION, SO I DON'T THINK IT'S MOOT.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO WORK QUICKLY ON A ORDINANCE.
YEAH. AND WE DON'T WANT TO GET. AND THIS IS NOT GOING TO OCCUR OVERNIGHT.
IS THAT WHAT WE NEED TO DO? BECAUSE WE COULD GET AN APPLICATION.
I MEAN, YOU'RE ALREADY SAYING THAT THERE'S STUFF IN SUFFOLK THAT'S BEING.
I THINK WE NEED TO SEND AN ORDINANCE TO THEM.
AND I THINK IF WE ACT WITHIN THE NEXT THREE MONTHS, I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BEAT ANY APPLICATION BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING IN THE HOPPER RIGHT NOW. NO, NOTHING. NOTHING'S IN THE HOPPER.
BUT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET IT DONE IN THREE MONTHS, EVEN IF WE ADOPT.
I MEAN, THE PETERSBURG ORDINANCE IS KIND OF SIMPLISTIC.
IF WE WOULD ADOPT SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I THINK WE COULD SEND SOMETHING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF OUR RECOMMENDATION OF A DATA CENTER ORDINANCE. VERY DEFINITE. YEAH. OKAY.
AND THEN WE COULD PUT THE PERCENT. I MEAN, WHATEVER WE WANT TO DO.
I MEAN, THE ONES THAT I READ TONIGHT WERE NOT IN THAT, YOU KNOW, PETERSBURG ONE.
A MORATORIUM WITHOUT DOING A TRUE OFFICIAL MORATORIUM AND FENESTRATION PORTION.
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SO THEY'RE TELLING WHATEVER THAT COMES IN THERE, THEY'VE GOT TO HAVE 30% TOTAL SURFACE COVERAGE TO WINDOWS.BUT THIS ONE. SO IT'S GOT A REQUIREMENT FOR 30% WINDOW COVERAGE.
BUT WE KNOW THAT THEY CAN'T DO OR WON'T DO 30% OF THAT.
SO THEN THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO GO. WELL, IF YOU CAN'T DO 30%, YOU KNOW, IT'S WHAT IT SAYS.
YOU KNOW, YOU COULD CONSTRUCT IT WHETHER YOU WANT.
YOU'RE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE HERE OR YOU WANT TO GET SOMETHING HERE.
MAYBE IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THE ABSOLUTELY BEST JOB.
YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE. IT PROBABLY IS.
WELL, I THINK THE WAY THEY'RE DOING IT IS BECAUSE IT'S IN A A CITY. A CITY. SO THE WAY WE CAN ATTACK IT IS TO USE OUR TERRAIN IS ACREAGE AND SETBACKS.
RIGHT. AND WE CAN KEEP IT TO LARGE BLOCKS OR SMALL, I MEAN, WHATEVER EVERYONE WANTS TO DO.
BUT I BET, YOU KNOW, IF WE FIND THE POSSIBLE AREAS, IT'S GOING TO BE FAIRLY LIMITED, AND I THINK WE NEED TO KIND OF FIND THAT OUT FIRST TO KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING, AND THEN EXTRAPOLATE BACK WITH THE ORDINANCE.
IF THEY'RE WILLING TO PUT UP THE POWER LINES, I MEAN, IS IT RESTRICTED TO THE.
I'M TRYING TO KILL TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE. WE CAN ADDRESS.
I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING. WE CAN ADDRESS BOTH OF THEM, BUT I THINK WE START WITH ACREAGE AND SETBACKS, AND THAT ELIMINATES 50% OF OUR AGRICULTURAL FARMLAND.
RIGHT. AND THEN WE GET MORE RESTRICTIVE. HYPOTHETICALLY MORE RESTRICTIVE WITH OTHER.
BUT I THINK THE ONE THAT YOU'RE REFERENCING IS REALLY APPLES AND ORANGES.
DO WE DO LIKE. WE COULD DO ALL THAT. THE DATA CENTER HAS TO BE WITHIN SO MANY MILES FROM A SUBSTATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? IS THAT HOW YOU WANT TO PUT IT? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE THINKING? YEAH. AND I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF PROVISIONS THAT I LOOKED AT THAT I HIGHLIGHTED THAT WERE REALLY GOOD, BUT I THINK.
CO-LOCATED TOGETHER. THE DATA CENTER AND THE SUBSTATION.
DOESN'T HAVE ONE. I MEAN, MAN, THAT'S WHY I WAS SURPRISED.
I WAS LIKE, I WENT ON THEIR WEBSITE AND I KEPT SEARCHING FOR DATA CENTERS. THEY'RE MORE ANALOGOUS TO OUR, YOU KNOW, FARMLAND. I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A NEW COUNTY ADMINISTRATION NOW.
I THINK BEFORE IT WAS KIND OF A RUNAWAY THING.
YES, WE WANT THIS. WE WANT THIS. LET'S DON'T LOOK INTO WHAT IT IS.
I JUST WANT TO SEE A FEW MORE BECAUSE.
I'M GOING TO USE THE WORD CITIFIED THAN COUNTRIFIED.
YEAH, I AGREE. OKAY, I'LL DO A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH REGARDING THE DATA CENTER ORDINANCES IN THE COUNTIES. CAN YOU CHECK WITH HALIFAX? BECAUSE I KNOW HALIFAX HAS A COUPLE DATA CENTERS.
I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OUT LOUD OF SOME LOCALITIES THAT ARE MORE.
LIKE HALIFAX IS MORE LIKE FRANKLIN, MAYBE.
SOME RURAL. BUT THEY HAVE KIND OF THE INNER OLDER CITY.
NOW, HALIFAX, THAT´S PART OF THAT TOBACCO BELT REGION, CORRECT? THEY MENTIONED THAT AT THE MEETING, THERE WERE SEVERAL COUNTIES GOT THIS APPROPRIATIONS FOR SEVERAL, SEVERAL YEARS. THEY WERE OUT. THEY WERE ABLE TO ENHANCE THESE INDUSTRIAL GROWTH AREAS, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR, A PLACE THAT'S READY TO GO IN. OKAY. I'LL REACH OUT TO HALIFAX, ROCKINGHAM, HENRICO. ANY OTHER, I MEAN. I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT CITY OF SUFFOLK.
I MEAN, IF THEY EVEN IF THEY EVEN HAVE ONE. THEY DON'T HAVE ONE? THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING SINCE THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF THAT BUILD OUT NOW, YOU KNOW, LIKE,
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WHAT ARE THEY DOING TO KIND OF EITHER ENCOURAGE OR DISCOURAGE? WELL, THERE'S. RIGHT. AND THAT'S ONE THING THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF THE DATA CENTERS OR EVEN DEVELOPERS IN GENERAL, WHETHER IT BE RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL DATA CENTERS, THEY'RE FOLLOWING 58 A LOT OF THESE REQUESTS ARE NOT TOO CONCERNED AS WE ARE ABOUT PROTECTING AGRICULTURAL FARMLAND. I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF OUR PRIORITIES IN OTHER LOCALITIES.IT IS NOT. IS THAT IS THAT SAFE? I THINK YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.
YEAH. SO THAT'S SO WE KIND OF NEED TO PUT THAT IN.
A LOT OF THESE ORDINANCES DO NOT HAVE THAT AS A PRIORITY.
SO WE HAVE TO USE THE GOOD AND THEN KIND OF CREATE SOME ADDITIONAL.
AND I THINK WE CAN USE SOME OF OUR SOLAR ORDINANCE.
I MEAN, IT WHAT IT SAID IT WAS, IT WAS VERY CLEAR AND UNAMBIGUOUS.
BUT YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA OF THE PERCENTAGE OF LAND.
AND THEN WITHIN THE, A MILE FROM THE TOWN, I MEAN, THAT'S GOING TO RESTRICT IT.
SO I THINK THAT 30% THING CAME FROM THE FACT THAT I THINK.
WAS IT LOUDOUN COUNTY? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE.
IF THEY'RE IN THE BAY AREA. YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE.
SOME OF THESE LOCALITIES HAVE LIMITATIONS ON THE IMPERVIOUS AREA.
PERCENTAGE OF THE IMPERVIOUS AREA, BECAUSE FROM THE BAY AREA STANDPOINT.
I THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S IN HERE. NOW, ANOTHER REQUIREMENT, MR. PRINCE, I THINK YOU REMEMBER THE FIBER OPTIC NETWORK.
IT HAS TO BE CLOSE PROXIMITY TO A MAIN, A MAJOR LINE.
YOU KNOW, IT JUST LIKE I SAID, THAT WAS CRITICAL.
NOW, I THINK OURS IS 958. IS THAT RIGHT? IS THAT RIGHT? I THINK WE DO HAVE SOMETHING GOING DOWN 58.
THAT'S THE MAJOR ONE IN OUR AREA. YEAH. OKAY.
BECAUSE I'VE TIED INTO IT. SO THAT CORRIDOR WAS STARTING TO BE INVITING, I GUESS.
BUT YEAH, THAT WAS THAT WAS ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS.
ALSO THEY HOOK UP TO A TO A MAJOR. I DON'T THINK IT'S ALL THE WAY DOWN.
58 IS WHAT I WAS TOLD. OKAY. ANYWAY, THERE ARE CERTAIN PARAMETERS THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. AND. I'M LIKE, THAT IS I WANT TO GET IT RIGHT.
I WANT TO BE SURE IT'S RIGHT. AND WE'RE ON THE ON THE OFFENSIVE SIDE AND NOT TRYING TO COUNTERACT YOU COME IN AND DO WE WANT YOU TO DO IT AND WE'D BE GOOD WITH IT.
OKAY. OKAY. NOT A PROBLEM. I'LL DO SOME MORE RESEARCH.
IS THAT ENOUGH? BRING SOME MORE BACK TO US NEXT MONTH.
THIS IS NEW BUSINESS. OKAY. IF THERE'S A OPPORTUNITY.
IF I CAN GET SOME SOME PEOPLE TO COME AND SPEAK.
YEAH. WOULD YOU ALL BE IN FAVOR OF THAT AS WELL? YEAH.
NO, NO, NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT SOMEONE ON THE MUNICIPAL.
YOU KNOW, FROM ONE OF THE MUNICIPAL. NOT. NOT THE SALES PERSON.
NO, NOT NOT A SALESMAN, NOT. RIGHT, RIGHT. NO, NO, NO, I'VE ALREADY HEARD THE SALESMAN.
I'VE ALREADY HEARD THAT THERE COULD BE SOMEONE THAT'S PROBABLY EITHER CONTEMPLATING IN THE SAME POSITION THAT WE'RE IN NOW AND CONTEMPLATING DEVELOPING A AN ORDINANCE FOR DATA CENTERS OR, YOU KNOW, AS ALREADY HAS ONE.
SO MAYBE TELL US SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, DIFFICULTIES OR SOME OF THE PLEASANTRIES, YOU KNOW, OF HAVING A DATA CENTER ORDINANCE AROUND IT. THAT'D BE FANTASTIC.
YEAH. SO I'LL TRY TO WORK ON THAT FOR NEXT MONTH.
PREFERABLY SOMEONE THAT'S CLOSE BY, YOU KNOW.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I GOT ANOTHER QUESTION, BUT I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH DATA CENTERS.
I WANTED TO SIT HERE AND WAIT AND LET THAT PLAY OUT.
OKAY. SO WILL YOU BE GOOD? I'M GOOD GOING FORWARD.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. THE QUESTION I GOT IS CONCERNING THE WHITE SOLAR PROJECT THAT'S ON THE OVER THAT GENERAL THOMAS HIGHWAY. YOU KNOW, THOMAS WHITE HAD A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WAS DISCUSSED ABOUT PUTTING SOLAR.
IS THERE ANYTHING NEW ABOUT THAT THAT'S GONE THROUGH THAT'S GOING THROUGH? OKAY. THAT'S IT. OKAY. DOES IT MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS? OBVIOUSLY. SO I THINK IT'S THAT'S. YEAH, I THINK SO.
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I HAD TO REVIEW IT AGAIN, BUT YES, I BELIEVE IT DOES MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS IN TERMS OF NOT BEING A MILE FROM A TOWN OR, YOU KNOW, EVEN FROM FRANKLIN. SO IT MEETS THAT REQUIREMENT.IT HAS GOOD SOIL. THE SOILS ARE BAD IN TERMS OF IT'S NOT CONSIDERED PRIME FARMLAND.
SO IT'S NOT HAVING AN EFFECT IN THAT REGARD. IT'S THE TOPOGRAPHY IS SUCH THAT FROM GENERAL THOMAS THE LAND GOES UP OR THE TOPOGRAPHY INCREASES.
AND THEN AT SOME POINT IT PLATEAUS, GOES BACK DOWN.
AND ON THE DOWNHILL SIDE OF THAT PROPERTY IS WHERE THE SOLAR DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO OCCUR.
SO YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO EVEN SEE IT FROM THE ROAD, RIGHT? IT LOOKED LIKE A GOOD SITE PLAN, AND IF THERE WAS A PLACE FOR IT IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, THAT WAS IT BECAUSE THE FARMLAND WAS USELESS AND IT WAS GO TO GO TO SOMEWHERE OR SOMETHING.
AND THERE WAS PRETTY GOOD MONEY OFFERED FOR IT TO THE COUNTY.
WHEN THAT I WAS THINKING, IS ALL OF IT GOING ON CLEARED LAND OR IS ANY OF IT GOING ON? TIMBERLAND. AS FAR AS I KNOW, IT'S ON. IT'S ALL CLEAR LAND.
YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY WELL CAMOUFLAGE TOO.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I WAS THINKING THAT EVERY WITH THE ORDINANCE THAT THAT HAD TO BE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF CLEARED LAND, A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF TIMBERLAND. SO NOW THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION.
I THOUGHT I DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS ANY TIMBERLAND ENOUGH BACK THERE OR CUT OVER.
YEAH. YEAH. RIGHT. I BELIEVE IT'S ALL CUT OVER.
I BELIEVE SO. I HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT AGAIN.
IT'S ALL CUT OVER. I BELIEVE THERE'S SOME CROPLAND THERE.
IS IT? YEAH. YEAH. IT'S PROBABLY A PERCENTAGE OF BOTH.
OH, PROBABLY A PERCENTAGE OF BOTH. I'LL LOOK AND SEE PER PROJECT.
BUT THE LAST TIME I WENT BACK THERE, IT WASN'T, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS IN WHAT TREES WERE GROWING ON SWAMP LAND, WETLANDS. SO WELL IT'S DONE. SO IT'S BEEN SIGNED OFF ON.
IT'S IN THE PROCESS. IT'S IRREVERSIBLE. BUT DOES IT MEET THAT PERCENTAGE OF REVERSIBLE? YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT IT ALL DAY. THAT'S RIGHT.
NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO WAS VERY POOR FARMLAND.
AND NUMBER THREE, THEY GAVE THE FINANCIAL INCENTIVES TO THE COUNTY WERE VERY GOOD.
SO WE FIGURED, OKAY, THE BENEFITS IN THIS CASE OUTWEIGH THE NEGATIVE ASPECTS OF IT.
IT'S A GOOD PLACE TO GO. OKAY. I GUESS I'M I'M GETTING BACK TO THE POINT OF HAVE WE SET A PRECEDENCE THEN IF WE'RE IF WE'RE NOT HOLDING TO THE PERCENT OF CUTOVER VERSUS. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT.
MICHAEL. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT ALL NIGHT. I REALLY DON'T KNOW. OKAY.
WELL, I THOUGHT THAT WAS IN THE ORDINANCE. YEAH, IT SHOULD BE.
YOU KNOW IT SHOULD BE. FOLLOWING OUR ORDINANCE. I'M PRETTY SURE WE CHECKED ON THAT.
THEN. THEN YOU COME ABOUT SIX MONTHS LATER AND SAY, LOOK, YOU'RE NOT FINE. YEAH.
I MEAN, WE GOT AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE UNLESS THERE WAS SPECIAL EXCLUSIONS LISTED, BECAUSE WHAT GOOD IS HAVING AN ORDINANCE IF I'M NOT GOING TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH IT? WELL, I HAD A PHONE CALL ON IT. AND WAS THIS DECISION MADE THAT IT WAS GOING THROUGH TWO WEEKS AGO? THREE WEEKS AGO, BECAUSE I GOT A I GOT A TEXT ON LAST SATURDAY NIGHT AND IT WAS SOMEBODY THAT I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT WOULD HAVE KNOWN.
AND THEIR COMMENT WAS, DID THIS SOLAR PROJECT GO THROUGH.
AND SO THE ANSWER TO THAT IS YES. YES. SO IT WENT THROUGH.
HOW LONG HAS THAT DECISION BEEN MADE? IT'S IN PROCESS RIGHT NOW.
HAS THERE BEEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON IT? I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT.
I DIDN'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M ASSUMING THERE WAS, BUT I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE PROJECT.
I DON'T KNOW, WE'D HAVE TO CHECK ON THAT. IF YOU CHECK ON THAT AND GET BACK WITH US.
OKAY. WELL, THE TEXT I GOT, THAT'S WHAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION.
RIGHT. OKAY. AND IT'S SOMEBODY RIGHT UNDER THE RIGHT UNDER THE PROJECT.
WELL, I, I WANT TO BE SURE YOU KNOW HOW I AM.
I'M A STICKLER ABOUT THAT. I DON'T LIKE ANY OF THIS AND I.
AND LOOK, I'M NOT. THE TEXT MESSAGE CAUGHT MY ATTENTION.
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YOU KNOW, AND I GOT, I GOT THE PLACE, THE FOOTPRINT OF IT AND I WANT TO BE SURE WE DON'T APPROVE SOMETHING THAT YOU SEND ME YOUR EMAIL.I'LL CALL AND FIND OUT TOMORROW AND GET ALL THE PARTICULARS FOR YOU, OKAY? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND, MR. PRINCE, I'M GOING TO CHALLENGE YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE CRITERIA IS MET WITH THE ORDINANCE, BECAUSE TECHNICALLY THIS.
DOES IT HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING IF THEY FOLLOW THE ORDINANCE? WELL, THAT WOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONE BY.
IT'S A SANDPIT, RIGHT? IT'S A SANDPIT AREA. IT'S THE LAND AROUND THE OLD PIT.
YEAH. THOMAS WHITE. SO IT WAS ALREADY ZONED INDUSTRIAL, CORRECT? YEAH. SO I GUESS THAT'S WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT.
YOU KNOW THAT RIGHT? SO YOU GOT THE VET AND VETERINARY ON THE SIDE ON THE WEST SIDE OF IT.
AND I'M NOT ARGUING THE POINT OF IT'S NOT A GOOD FACILITY, DON'T GET ME WRONG.
IT'S SET BACK IN THE VIEW. BUT THE GOOD QUESTION.
I'LL CALL TOMORROW AND FIND OUT. I'LL GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU.
THE THING THAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION THE WHOLE TIME WAS ABOUT THE PERCENTAGE AND THAT WE FOLLOW THE ORDINANCE, SO WE DON'T. WHAT IF A PERSON HAS A IF A PERSON HAS 200 ACRES OF FARMLAND AND HE OWNS IT AND HE SIGNED A CONTRACT TO DO IT, EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T HAVE 50 ACRES OF THIS AND 50 ACRES OF THAT.
THAT DISQUALIFIES HIM FROM BEING TO PUT IT ON THERE.
SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU'RE SAYING IT'S GOT TO BE EQUAL FARMLAND VERSUS WOODLANDS.
THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF A GUY HAS.
YEAH, THAT'S YOU KNOW, AS WE PUT IN THERE, WE COMMITTED, WHAT WAS IT, 1%? I'LL FIND OUT THE PARTICULARS ABOUT IT.
BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF IT WAS ALL ONE LANDOWNER AND HE WAS WILLING.
HE WAS DOING IT. DID THAT REALLY HAVE TO BE ONE OR THE OTHER? SO LET ME INTERJECT. I'M JUST CURIOUS. ALL RIGHT.
YOU BOTH MAY BE RIGHT. IT COULD BE THAT THE TOTAL ACRES IS 2% OF THE LAND MASS.
CORRECT? 1% OF THE COUNTY LAND MASS. WAS IT 1% OR 2%? 1%.
SO IT COULD BE MR. MANN THAT THEY'RE USING. THE PERCENTAGE OF THE.
IN THIS CASE, THE OPEN. BUT WHEN THE OPEN IS USED UP, THE REMAINDER WILL HAVE TO BE IN THE CUTOVER.
AND MAYBE WE NEED TO GO BACK AND REVISIT THAT.
BUT YEAH, THE ORDINANCE WAS. YEAH. MR. PRINCE, IF YOU PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA THAT WAS VOTED ON.
YEAH. YOU AND I WILL BRING A REPORT BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE.
AND HOW MANY ACRES HAS QUESTIONS ANSWERED? HOW MANY ACRES IN THAT PROJECT DO YOU KNOW? HOW MANY ACRES IN THAT PROJECT IN THIS ONE.
AND I THINK IT'S 40 SOMETHING 40. I'LL FIND OUT.
YEAH, WE'LL WE'LL DO A REPORT AND BRING IT BACK TO YOU NEXT MONTH.
YOU KNOW, AT THE BREAKDOWN AND ACREAGE AND YOU KNOW SOME OF THE PARTICULARS.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE ON DATA CENTERS? I'M SORRY. HAVE YOU GOT ANYTHING? NO. ALRIGHT.
SO NOTHING. I JUST WANT AGAIN YOU SAW THE SUMMARY THAT MR. PRINCE SHARED WITH US. WE APPRECIATE HIM GOING BACK AND REVIEWING THE PREVIOUS 1212, LAST YEAR'S SUMMARY. I WAS TELLING MR. CLARK WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, I THOUGHT WE DID MORE THAN 6 OR 7 THINGS LAST YEAR, BUT. WELL, YEAH, THAT WAS IT. I REMEMBER, I REMEMBER EACH ONE OF THEM.
AND. AND I THINK IT'S GOOD AND APPRECIATE YOU GOING BACK AND FOLLOWING UP ON THAT, MR. PRINCE. YEAH. YOU'RE WELCOME. ALRIGHT. SO IS THERE ANY OTHER NEW BUSINESS? MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE JUST TWO SHORT THINGS. YES, SIR.
I'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF PHONE CALLS CONCERNING A PROJECT THAT WE WENT THROUGH WITH THE HOTEL OVER THERE IN YOUR AREA ABOUT THE DISABLED VETERANS THING. REMEMBER THAT? YES. REMEMBER THAT, MR. RANDALL. I DO OKAY. ABOUT NOTHING BEING DONE OVER THERE.
USE PERMIT OR THEY'RE DOING ANYTHING. OH, OKAY.
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I HAVE COMPLAINTS FROM THE NEIGHBORING FARMS OVER THERE CONCERNING THAT SITUATION.OKAY. YEAH. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING FROM THEM.
YEAH, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE ORDINANCES. CAN YOU JUST REITERATE THAT SAME.
WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE PROJECT? IT'S THE HOTEL FOR THE VETERANS.
IT'S A HUNTING LODGE, A HUNTING LODGE, WHATEVER IT IS.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? WHAT'S THAT? IT'S A HUNTING LODGE. YEAH, FOR THE DISABLED, VETERANS AND ALL THAT. I UNDERSTAND THERE'S BEEN NOTHING BEING DONE IN, WHAT, TWO, THREE YEARS? YEAH, IT PROBABLY HAS. I REMEMBER SOMETHING LIKE THAT COMING THROUGH.
I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. GRANTED.
BUT, YOU KNOW, SO THERE WAS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT GRANTED TO THE.
YEAH, IT WAS IT WAS KIND OF DIVIDED VOTES. I THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I'M NOT SURE WHY WE WERE DIVIDED ON IT. IT WENT TO THE BOARD.
I THINK IT PASSED THE BOARD 4 TO 3 SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT LIKE I SAID, I THINK SOME OF US HAVE BEEN GETTING PHONE CALLS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE AND IF NOTHING'S GOING ON AND WE HAVE A CONDITION, YOU PERMIT ORDINANCE THAT SAYS YOU'RE DONE AFTER A YEAR, THEN WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT.
OKAY. AND THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAD IS EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF THE VOTE THAT'S VOTING IS GOING ON.
EVERYBODY NEEDS TO LOOK AT THAT AND GET DOWN HERE AND VOTE.
IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A TWO PARTY SITUATION IN VIRGINIA, YOU VOTE NO.
WE'RE NEVER GOING TO GET ANOTHER REPUBLICAN ELECTED IN THIS AREA OF THE STATE.
AND THAT WAS INTERESTING. THAT AD I SAW ABOUT THE DOMINION POWER.
BEN UP IN LOUDOUN COUNTY, RIGHT BEHIND IT. YEAH.
OUR REPRESENTATIVES ARE GOING TO BE THERE IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN IT.
AND SOME OF THESE DISTRICTS TIED ALL THE WAY UP FROM HERE TO NORTHERN VIRGINIA.
OH, YEAH. WE'LL BE UP THERE WITH. YEAH, I'M A FAR LEFT LIBERAL.
THERE IS. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS LATER. ALL RIGHT? OKAY. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER NEW BUSINESS? BUCK'S DOG TRAINING. COMING UP NEXT MEETING. YES.
NEXT MEETING. YES, SIR. COMMISSIONER USE PERMIT FOR THAT BUSINESS.
WHERE IS THAT? BATESVILLE ROAD AT THE VERY END.
YOU KNOW YOUR OLD HOUSE? OH, STATESVILLE AND MONROE ROAD RUN AT AN INTERSECTION.
THEY HAVE A BARN STRUCTURE THAT'S THERE. THERE.
THEY WANT TO REVAMP IT, YOU KNOW, TO BETTER SUIT THE DOG TRAINING AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND THOSE OWNERS ARE NEW IN THE AREA. IN THE LAST TWO, THREE, FOUR YEARS.
THEY'VE BEEN THERE. THEY'VE BEEN TRAINED. MY DOG FOUR YEARS AGO DIDN'T IT.
YEAH. YEAH, OVER FIVE YEARS. THEY WEREN'T AWARE THEY NEEDED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO THEY'RE TRYING. THEY'RE COMING TO US TO TRY TO GET LEGITIMATE OPERATION DATED THAT LONG.
I GUESS I LOSE TRACK OF TIME. I DIDN'T KNOW IT'D BEEN THAT LONG, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
I GUESS THEY TOOK OVER RIGHT AFTER. I KNEW I KNEW SOLD PRETTY QUICKLY AND OKAY.
YEAH, WELL, I'VE BEEN AT ALL. WELL, THAT'S IT, SO I'LL TRY TO DO THAT AS WELL.
30 DAYS, YOU KNOW, BUT YEAH, I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.
AND THE FACILITY ON 258 THAT DOES THE BRINGING THE DEER IN AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
IS THAT DOING PRETTY GOOD? THE MICROPROCESSOR.
YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. HAS THAT BEEN BUILT OUT? I'M NOT AWARE.
YEAH, THAT'S THE CHRISTINE SULLIVAN ONE. THE MICROPROCESSING.
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THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. MICRO USDA MICROPROCESSOR.OKAY. RIGHT. ONE OTHER THING. DANIEL SHAUN RIVER DOWN CLOSE TO NUCOR.
THEY'RE HAVING A BIG EXPANSION DOWN THERE. HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING ON THAT? I HAVEN'T. I'VE SEEN JUST ENOUGH ABOUT, IT'S CAUGHT MY ATTENTION AND IT'S IN HARFORD COUNTY, AND APPARENTLY IT'S GOTTEN FAR ENOUGH ALONG THAT HERTFORD COUNTY GOT A CHECK FOR $51 MILLION.
THAT WAS THE WORD ON THE STREET, SO I JUST DIDN'T KNOW HOW PUBLICLY IT WAS.
AND, WELL, THE NUCOR WAS EXPANDING. OH, IT'S ANOTHER FACILITY COMING IN, RIGHT NEXT TO HIM.
IT'S A FACILITY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO COMPLEMENT EACH OTHER, BUT IT'S NOT OWNED BY NUCOR.
BUT IT'S SOMETHING TO DO. THEY'RE GOING TO USE, I THINK, THE PROCESSED STEEL HAS TO DO SOMETHING WITH, I THINK. BUT ACTUALLY PUTTING IN A PORT ON THE RIVER, I MEAN, IT'S BIG TIME.
IT'S BIG TIME. AND CREATING 800 JOBS. YEAH. IT'S BIG.
IT'S BIG TIME. YEAH, THAT IS BIG. AND IT'S GOOD TO KEEP UP WITH OUR NEIGHBORS BECAUSE.
RIGHT. THAT'S NOT FAR DOWN THE ROAD. THAT'S RIGHT.
SO NOT, YOU KNOW, DISTANCE WISE FROM US. IT'S GOING TO AFFECT JOBS FOR THIS AREA.
IT WILL. A LOT OF PEOPLE WORK, COMMUTE. YEAH.
SO YOU SAID NUCOR? YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? MOTION TO ADJOURN.
ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. LET'S GO HOME.
I'LL ADJOURN THE MEETING. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU ALL FOR.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.