Feb 24, 2026 Board of Supervisors

GOOD EVENING FOLKS. WE'RE GOING

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HEAVENLY FATHER, LORD, WE GIVE THANKS FOR THIS DAY. LORD, WE GIVE THANKS FOR ALL THE BLESSINGS YOU GIVE TO US. SOMETIMES WE JUST TAKE FOR GRANTED, BUT LORD, WE KNOW YOU'RE ALWAYS IN CONTROL.

LORD, WE'RE THANKFUL FOR ALL THE ONES WHO HAVE COME TONIGHT, THEIR CONCERNS. THAT THEY'LL BE EXPRESSED FREELY TONIGHT, THAT WE CAN DISCUSS FREELY, AND HOPEFULLY GOOD DECISIONS WILL BE MADE TONIGHT. IT WILL BE PLEASING TO YOU. WE ASK THAT WE HAVE AN ORDERLY MEETING, AND WE'RE SO THANKFUL FOR OUR COUNTY. AND TO SEE IT GROWING AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND HAVE OUR EXPRESSIONS MADE. MEET WITH US. IF WE CONDUCT THIS MEETING TONIGHT, AND WHEN THIS MEETING CONCLUDES, THAT WE ALL HAVE A SAFE TRIP TO OUR RESPECTIVE HOMES. THESE AND ALL THINGS ARE IN THE NAME OF YOUR SON, JESUS CHRIST.

AMEN. AMEN. ALL RIGHT, WE NEED

[15. Closed Session (Part 1 of 2)]

LYNETTE, DO YOU HAVE THE MECHANISM TO READ ABOUT THAT, PLEASE? YES, SIR, I DO. A MOTION IS REQUIRED TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSES.

IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2.2-3711A1, PERSONNEL MATTER REGARDING THE ANNUAL PERFORMANCE REVIEW OF THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, AND 2.

IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2.2-3711A5, DISCUSSION WITH STAFF FROM FRANKLIN-SOUTHAMPTON.

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCORPORATED CONCERNING A PROSPECTIVE BUSINESS OR INDUSTRY, OR THE EXPANSION OF AN EXISTING BUSINESS OR INDUSTRY, WHERE NO PREVIOUS ANNOUNCEMENT HAS BEEN MADE OF THE BUSINESSES OR INDUSTRIES' INTEREST IN LOCATING OR EXPANDING ITS FACILITIES IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, WE NEED A MOTION TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION. SO MOVED. IS THERE A SECOND? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. OKAY, WE ARE ON THE BACK OF THE CLOSED SESSION. OKAY, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, HOPE WE DIDN'T KEEP YOU WAITING TOO LONG. WE NEED A MOTION TO GO BACK INTO OPEN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OKAY, WE'RE BACK IN OPEN SESSION.

WHEREAS THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CONVENED A CLOSED MEETING ON THIS DATE PURSUANT TO AN AFFIRMATIVE RECORDED VOTE AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS OF THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT, AND WHEREAS SECTION 2.23712D OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA REQUIRES A CERTIFICATION BY THE BOARD THAT SUCH CLOSED MEETING WAS CONDUCTED, IN CONFORMITY WITH VIRGINIA LAW. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HEREBY CERTIFIES THAT, TO THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE.

ONLY PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS, LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS BY VIRGINIA LAW WERE DISCUSSED IN THE CLOSED MEETING, TO WHICH THIS CERTIFICATION RESOLUTION APPLIES. AND ONLY SUCH PUBLIC MATTERS AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION CONVENING THE CLOSED MEETING, WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED, AND CONSIDERED BY THE SOUTH HAMPTON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. A MOTION IS REQUIRED TO ADOPT THE CERTIFICATION, AND IT MUST BE VOTED ON INDIVIDUALLY BY EACH BOARD MEMBER. DO I HAVE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? I SECOND. ALL RIGHT, WE'LL HAVE A VOICE VOTE.

SUPERVISOR CORNWELL? YES.

SUPERVISOR WHITE? YES.

SUPERVISOR FAISON? YES.

EDWARDS, I SAY, YES.

SUPERVISOR GILLETTE? YES. IT'S UNANIMOUS. OKAY. WE'LL MOVE ON

[1. Citizens Comment Period]

THIS HAS BEEN

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SO THIS SESSION IS VERY VALUABLE TO US AND HOPEFULLY VALUABLE TO YOU FOLKS TO GET TO TALK.

SO WE'LL OPEN THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD. GOOD EVENING.

MR. CHAIRMAN AND BOARD, MY NAME IS ORIS LANE AND I RESIDE AT 216 SHADYBROOK TRAIL IN CORTLAND, VIRGINIA. TONIGHT, I WILL COME TO YOU AGAIN TO ADVOCATE PAYING ALL EMPLOYEES IN THE COUNTY TWICE MONTHLY.

CHECKS WRITTEN ON THE 15TH AND 30TH OF EACH MONTH WOULD BENEFIT ALL EMPLOYEES OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. CAN THE BOARD OR THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT CONDUCT A SURVEY OF COUNTY EMPLOYEES SO THEY CAN UNDERSTAND THE INITIATIVE? BECAUSE SURROUNDING COUNTIES AND CITIES HAVE THIS IN PLACE. ONE BENEFIT OF TWICE MONTH PAY IS THAT IT HELPS FAMILIES TO PLAN BETTER THROUGHOUT THE MONTH. WAITING 30 DAYS IS EXTREMELY HARD ON SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSEHOLDS.

IF THE COUNTY'S FINANCE DEPARTMENT NEEDS ADDITIONAL HELP TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN, I STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT YOU HIRE AN ADDITIONAL STAFF MEMBER TO HELP YOU WITH THIS INITIATIVE. LASTLY, I ASK COUNTY EMPLOYEES TO SPEAK UP ABOUT THIS LIVELIHOOD SINCE YOU AS A BOARD CONTROL THEIR PAY.

THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? GOT PLENTY OF TIME. IT'S FREE. NOT MANY THINGS IN THIS WORLD ARE FREE.

ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO COME AND SPEAK ON ANY ISSUES CONCERNING THE COUNTY? LAST CALL? ALL RIGHT, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. ALL

[2. Approval of Minutes ]

[3. VDOT Matters]

ANYBODY HAVE ANY VDOT MATTERS? VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. STILL GOT THAT POTHOLE ON DARDEN-SKIKE ROAD, BETWEEN THE OLD RAILROAD BED, YOU KNOW, THE PIPELINE AND VICKSVILLE ROAD. IT'S A BIG POTHOLE. THEY HADN'T FIXED IT YET. I THINK THEY CAME UP LAST MONTH. YES, TWO MONTHS AGO, ACTUALLY. OKAY. ALRIGHT, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? ALRIGHT. NOW WE'LL MOVE ON

[4. Monthly Reports]

PHASE ONE OF THE NEWSOM'S PROJECT IS COMPLETE, OTHER THAN COMPLETING THE CLOSEOUT PAPERWORK. THE RADIO PROJECT, WHICH IS THE JOINT PROJECT BETWEEN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY AND THE CITY OF FRANKLIN, IS MOVING ALONG. IT IS EXPECTED TO BE COMPLETED BY THE END OF 2026 OR JANUARY OF 2027. AS FAR AS HUMAN RESOURCES PERSONNEL WITHIN COUNTY, PUBLIC SERVICE WORKER 1, PUBLIC SERVICE WORKER 2, THEY ARE CURRENTLY BEING RECRUITED, AND WE ALSO NEED TO RECRUIT FOR AN ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT AND AN ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEER WITHIN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

THE COMPENSATION AND CLASSIFICATION STUDY IS MOVING ALONG. WE ACTUALLY RECEIVED OVER THE WEEKEND THE WORKING DRAFT OF THE STUDY AND THAT WILL BE COMING TO YOU WITHIN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.

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ARCHITECTURAL SERVICES FOR THE SPACE NEEDS, STUDY FOR THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, THAT'S MOVING FORWARD. WE HAD ANOTHER MEETING. EARLIER TODAY, TO LOOK AT AND DECIDE ON SOME OTHER THINGS, SOME OTHER OPTIONS FOR THAT SPACE NEEDS STUDY.

THE VOTER REGISTRAR BUILDING, THE OLD STORAGE BUILDING, HAS BEEN, AS YOU WELL KNOW, HAS BEEN DEMOLISHED. THE NEXT STEP IS TO INPUT A CONCRETE PAD, AND THAT WILL BE COMING ALONG SHORTLY, TOO. AS FAR AS THE COURTHOUSE HOLDING CELLS AND THE CLERK OF CIRCUIT COURT, HVAC FOR THE RECORDS ROOM. WE HAVE DECIDED TO SEPARATE THOSE TWO PROJECTS.

WE WERE UNABLE TO GET A CONTRACTOR TO COME IN AND DO BOTH OF THEM BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENT SCOPES OF WORK. SO NOW WE'RE SEPARATING THEM OUT SO THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND GET THAT DONE.

AS FAR AS THE TURNER TRACT, WELL, THERE'S AN RFP OUT. AS YOU MAY REMEMBER, DEQ SAID THAT WE NEED TO PUT IN ANOTHER, A SECONDARY THANK YOU. WELL, AT TURNER TRACT. AND THAT IS MOVING FORWARD AS FAR AS GETTING AN ENGINEERING FIRM TO DETERMINE WHERE AND HOW TO PLACE THAT WELL. KATE ESTATES DIVISION IS IN PROCESS, AND THERE WAS AN APPLICATION FOR DOWNTOWN CORTLAND TO BECOME AN EXPLORING MAIN STREET COMMUNITY. THAT DRAFT APPLICATION HAS GONE TO THE TOWN OF CORTLAND.

COURTLAND, AT WHICH THEY WILL EITHER DECIDE TO APPROVE OR NOT APPROVE AT THEIR MARCH 10TH MEETING.

AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR THAT. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? VERY WELL DONE.

FINANCIAL REPORT? OKAY. OKAY, FOR THE FINANCIAL REPORT, WE'RE COMPARING JANUARY OF 2025 WITH JANUARY OF 2026. THE REVENUE, THE PERCENTAGE SPENT PER BUDGET IN 2025 WAS 85.88%, AND AS OF JANUARY 31ST OF 2026, WE HAVE SPENT 80.45% OF OUR ORIGINAL BUDGET, AND I SAID THAT COMPLETELY BACKWARDS.

WE'VE RECEIVED REVENUE IN THOSE AMOUNTS, I'M SORRY.

NOW I'M GOING TO GO TO EXPENDITURES. AND SO JANUARY 2025, WE HAVE SPENT 58.39%, AND IN JANUARY OF 2026, WE HAD SPENT 53.38%. THE REVENUE IS MUCH HIGHER FOR THIS TIME OF YEAR BECAUSE WE DO ONCE A YEAR COLLECTIONS OF REAL ESTATE AND PERSONAL PROPERTY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. TREASURY REPORT. MS. EDWARDS HERE TONIGHT. YES. GOOD EVENING.

GOOD EVENING. OKAY, I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE COLLECTION PERCENTAGES FROM JANUARY TO FEBRUARY. SO FOR REAL ESTATE, IN JANUARY, WE WERE AT 99.44% COLLECTED. AND IN FEBRUARY, WE'RE AT 99.60%.

WE HAVE AN OUTSTANDING BALANCE $911,075.62.

ON PERSONAL PROPERTY, IN JANUARY, WE WERE AT 95.10%.

IN FEBRUARY, WE'RE AT 95.66%.

WE HAVE AN OUTSTANDING BALANCE OF $2,983,010.51. AS FAR AS

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EIGHTY-TWO, 83. YEAH, RIGHT AT THAT. OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE A QUESTION FOR CINDY? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME. ALL RIGHT. ANIMAL CONTROL, COOPERATIVE EXTENSION, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, BLACKWATER REGIONAL LIBRARY, SOLID WASTE QUANTITIES. NO COMMENTS ON THOSE. ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO THE NEXT ONE,

[5. Appointments]

[6. Financial Matters]

GENERAL AND BUILDING FUNDS PROVIDES A TOTAL OF APPROXIMATELY $1,054,470.42 TO THE GENERAL AND BUILDING FUND. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT. SO MOVED. A SECOND? SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY, AYE. AYE. ALL RIGHT, C IS APPROPRIATION RESOLUTION TO SCHOOL FUND. IT'S APPROXIMATELY $98,762.37 TO THE SCHOOL FUND. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROPRIATE THAT. SO MOVED. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY, AYE. AYE. OKAY.

[7. Strategic Investment Review]

AND I WELCOME YOU, FELLOWS, AND WE'LL TURN THE MEETING OVER TO YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, DR. EDWARDS, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. AGAIN, DAVID ROSE, I'VE HAD THE GOOD FORTUNE OF BEING IN FRONT OF YOU NOW FOR 30 YEARS. SO, AGAIN, TIME MOVES QUICKLY. ROLAND COOCH, ACTUALLY, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, HIS LATE FATHER WAS THE FINANCE ADMINISTRATOR IN THE CITY OF RICHMOND FOR THE TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY, RMTA, THEN THE RMA, AND THAT'S HOW ROLAND CAME TO ME OVER 30 YEARS AGO. SO HE DOESN'T LOOK IT, I DO, BUT HE DOESN'T. AND THEN RICARDO HERE HAS BEEN WITH US A LITTLE OVER 10 YEARS, SO HE'S A NEWBIE FROM THE DAVENPORT WORLD, BUT IN FAIRNESS. HE'S GOT OVER 20 YEARS PRIOR TO THAT WORKING IN THE BANKING BUSINESS. SO PART OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT IS NOT ONLY WHAT YOU GAVE US THE CHARGE TO DO THIS PAST YEAR, AND WE'VE GOT SOME, I THINK, SOME GOOD NEWS FOR YOU, AND HOPEFULLY YOU'LL APPRECIATE THAT, AND THEN SOME RECOMMENDATION THAT RICARDO WOULD POSSIBLY DO, DEPENDING UPON YOUR DECISIONS.

SO, WITH THAT SAID, I'M GOING TO ACTUALLY HAVE ROLAND WALK YOU THROUGH. THIS PRESENTATION... I COULD JUMP IN HERE OR THERE, BUT YOU'VE HEARD ME PLENTY OVER THE YEARS, AND I'M GOING TO HAVE ROLAND GO THROUGH THAT. AND WE'VE GOT HARD COPIES AS WELL, AND FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE, WE ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET TO EVERYONE THOSE HARD COPIES.

SO IF THEY WOULD JUST ASK, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY FOLKS THROUGH MS. LOWE, WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S PROVIDED UNLESS IT GOES UP ON YOUR WEBSITE, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT.

OKAY, ROLAND, I'M GOING TO SIT. THANK YOU, DAVID. AND AGAIN, MY NAME IS ROLAND KOOCH, AND I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH MY PARTNER, DAVID, FOR OVER 30 YEARS NOW IN PUBLIC FINANCE,

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BACKGROUND READING FOR YOU AS WELL. YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH DAVENPORT AND COMPANY WITH DAVID FOR WELL OVER 30 YEARS, THREE DECADES PLUS, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS.

I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING HERE IS, AS FINANCIAL ADVISOR, WE ARE A FIDUCIARY TO THE COUNTY. WHAT THAT MEANS IS IT IS OUR OBLIGATION TO PUT THE NEEDS OF THE COUNTY FIRST, ABOVE AND BEYOND OUR NEEDS. AND WE DO THAT WITH ALL OF OUR CLIENTS WITH RESPECT TO FINANCIAL ADVISOR WORK LIKE THIS. LIKE ANY OTHER WORK THAT WE WOULD DO WITH RESPECT TO STRATEGIC PLANNING, PLAN OF FINANCE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'VE DONE WITH THE COUNTY HERE, FINANCIAL POLICY DEVELOPMENT, CREDIT RATINGS AND THE LIKE, ALL OF THAT WORK IS DESIGNED TO HELP THE COUNTY PUT ITS BEST FOOT FORWARD, REALLY, AND MAXIMIZE THE FISCAL INTEGRITY AND FISCAL HEALTH OF THE COUNTY. THE NEXT PAGE, AGAIN, AS WE'VE DONE A LOT OF THE WORK OVER THE YEARS, WHAT YOU, THE BOARD, MR. EDWARDS, CHAIR EDWARDS, AND...

MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AUTHORIZED DAVENPORT TO DO WAS REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT THE ABILITY TO ENHANCE THE COUNTY'S STRATEGIC INVESTMENT FUND. WE DID THAT, WE WERE AUTHORIZED TO DO THAT IN CALENDAR YEAR 2025. IT IS A MULTI-STEP PROCESS IN TERMS OF ANALYSIS. WE HAD GONE THROUGH MONTHS OF ANALYSIS WITH COUNTY STAFF, MS. LOWE AND COUNTY STAFF AS WELL, INVOLVED LOOKING AT HISTORIC CASH FLOWS.

THROUGH BANKING STATEMENTS, INVESTMENT RETURNS, ETC. WE THOUGHT THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY WHEN WE BEGAN THIS ENGAGEMENT. AND WE LOOKED AT THE TRENDS OF THE COUNTY'S FINANCES OVER TIME AS THEY'VE GROWN STRONGER, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT AS WELL.

YOU'LL SEE THAT WITH YOUR AUDITS EACH YEAR HERE, PROGRESSIVELY UNDER THE ADMINISTRATION AND GUIDANCE OF THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT AS WELL. BUT WHAT WE ALSO DID THROUGH OUR ANALYSIS IS WE IDENTIFIED ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES TO ENHANCE INVESTMENT INCOME.

AND AS WE TALK ABOUT THIS, ONE OF THE KEY IMPORTANT THINGS OF THAT IS. INVESTMENT INCOME IS PUTTING YOUR MONEY TO WORK FOR YOU. AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT, JUST EQUATING IT TO A TAX RATE EQUIVALENT, 71 CENTS ON THE COUNTY'S TAX RATE, EVERY COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT YOU CAN EARN IS APPROXIMATELY HELPING YOU OFFSET ABOUT A PENNY OF REAL ESTATE TAXES. THAT'S AN IMPORTANT CONCEPT. AND WE THINK, AS WE LOOK AT THIS, ONE OF THE THINGS WE REALLY IDENTIFIED WAS, THROUGH OUR ANALYSIS, IS THERE A WAY TO HELP YOU DO THAT? SO, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS WALK YOU THROUGH THE APPROACH WE'VE TAKEN. AND WE HAVE THIS APPROACH. WE WORK WITH ABOUT A COUPLE DOZEN CLIENTS THROUGHOUT VIRGINIA, THROUGHOUT NORTH CAROLINA, THROUGHOUT GEORGIA AS WELL, AND SOUTHEAST IN TERMS OF THAT. WE'VE GOT A CLIENT BASE THAT GOES BEYOND THE VIRGINIA RANGE.

BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS, IT'S REALLY A MULTI-STEP APPROACH.

WE'RE CALLING IT A STRATEGIC INVESTMENT MANAGEMENT. IT REALLY INVOLVES FIVE STEPS HERE. FIRST, STEPS ONE THROUGH THREE ARE THE ANALYTICAL SIDE.

WE REVIEW YOUR CURRENT PROCESSES OF HOW THE BANK ACCOUNTS LOOK, HOW THE CASH FLOWS LOOK, WHAT SORT OF INVESTMENTS YOU HAVE OR ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF, AND THAT'S THROUGH THE TREASURERS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT, DOING THE RIGHT THING. PUTTING THAT MONEY TO WORK. STEP TWO IS WE LOOK AT THIS AND WE'VE GOT A MODEL WHERE WE ANALYZE THIS PROJECTED CASH FLOWS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CASH FLOWS IN, CASH FLOWS OUT, REVENUES COMING IN, EXPENDITURES GOING OUT. HOW DOES THE COUNTY'S CASH FLOWS WORK? AND THEN, REALLY, STEP THREE, IS THERE A WAY TO LOOK AT OPTIMIZING THE INVESTMENTS? AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS IS OPTIMIZING IT.

NOT BY TAKING RISK IN TERMS OF PUTTING THE MONEY AT RISK OF POTENTIAL LOSS OF PRINCIPAL. BECAUSE WE NEVER WANT TO SELL OR LIQUIDATE INVESTMENT.

BEFORE WE NEED TO. WE WANT TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO PUT THAT MONEY TO WORK.

KNOWING THAT WE'VE GOT AN ANALYTICAL BASIS OR AN APPROACH THAT SAYS IT'S GOING TO BE INVESTED UNTIL THE POINT IN TIME THAT WE NEED TO USE IT. AND THAT'S WHAT THE GOAL OF THIS PROGRAM IS. THE LAST TWO STEPS, STEP FOUR AND FIVE, WE'LL KIND OF OUTLINE THIS ON THE NEXT COUPLE PAGES. THAT IS REALLY, ONCE WE DEVELOP THE PLAN AND DEVELOP THE RECOMMENDATIONS, LET'S PUT IT INTO ACTION. AND THEN STEP FIVE IS REVIEWING IT ON A QUARTERLY BASIS AND MAKING ADJUSTMENTS AS NEED TO OCCUR. BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT THINGS CHANGE OVER TIME. THERE WILL BE ADJUSTMENTS THAT COULD BE ENHANCING INVESTMENTS IN TERMS OF MORE INVESTABLE FUNDS.

BUT THERE MAY BE THINGS THAT

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CHARGED IN THE FIRST THREE STEPS BEFORE REALLY KIND OF PUTTING THIS INTO ACTION.

WE WORKED WITH THE COUNTY STAFF OVER THE SPRING AND SUMMER OF 2025 AND REALLY COMPLETED THESE FIRST THREE STEPS. AND REALLY, WE THINK WE IDENTIFIED, AND YOU'LL SEE ON THE NEXT COUPLE OF PAGES, SOME GOOD OUTCOMES HERE.

POTENTIALLY IN TERMS OF ENHANCING THE INVESTMENTS AND DEVELOPING A PLAN TO START PUTTING THAT MORE MONEY TO WORK THAN THE INCIDENT.

THIS GRAPH ON PAGE 7, THIS JUST SHOWS YOU, IT'S AN EXCERPT FROM OUR MODEL. THIS SHOWS YOU THAT OVER TIME, WE LOOKED BACK AT ABOUT THREE YEARS WORTH OF CASH FLOW. OVER TIME, WE'VE IDENTIFIED A LIQUIDITY SORT OF MINIMUM CASH BALANCE THAT ALLOWED FOR THE COUNTY TO OPERATE WITHOUT ANY CONCERNS IN TERMS OF CASH FLOW. BUT THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE OVER TIME. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE REVENUES COMING IN VERSUS EXPENSES GOING IN.

THIS GRAPH REPRESENTS.

SIMPLY, IN THAT GREEN BOX, IS THAT? IF WE LOOK AT A MINIMUM BALANCE OR TARGETED LIQUIDITY TO MAINTAIN IN YOUR OPERATING ACCOUNTS TO COVER YOUR BILLS, HOW MUCH MORE COULD WE POTENTIALLY PUT TO WORK IN TERMS OF AN INVESTMENT VEHICLE? THE AMOUNTS IN THAT BLUE BAR THAT EXCEED THAT RED DOTTED LINE REPRESENT OPPORTUNITIES TO PUT MORE MONEY TO WORK.

IN TERMS OF INVESTMENT INCOME AND GENERATE THAT INCOME THAT CAN HELP DEFRAY SOME OF THE REAL ESTATE. TAX REVENUES WHEN YOU SEE IN THE BUDGETARY SIDE, YEAR OVER YEAR. THIS GRAPH, AGAIN, GRAPH, JUST SHOWS A PROJECTION OF WHAT WE WOULD BE RECOMMENDING. HOW DO WE DEPLOY THAT MONEY INTO INVESTMENTS? AND YOU CAN SEE THAT OVER AND ABOVE THE CURRENT VIP BALANCE, WHEN WE DID THIS ANALYSIS, THE VIP BALANCE WAS ABOUT A LITTLE OVER $10 MILLION. THAT WAS GENERATING VERY GOOD INCOME, STILL GENERATING GOOD INCOME FOR YOU IN THOSE ACCOUNTS. BUT WHAT YOU CAN SEE IS WE PROJECT FORWARD. THERE ARE TIMES WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE GREATER BALANCES IN YOUR OPERATING ACCOUNTS THAT CAN BE MOVED INTO INVESTMENTS. AND THEN, AS YOU GO THROUGH THE LEANER YEARS AND LEANER MONTHS.

IN TERMS OF REVENUES, THOSE MONIES CAN THEN BE REDEPLOYED TO THE OPERATING ACCOUNTS TO HELP COVER EXPENSES. THIS GRAPH IS BASICALLY SHOWING YOU THE BARS THAT ARE ABOVE THAT DOTTED LINE, REPRESENTING AN AVERAGE OVER A 12-MONTH PERIOD.

OF ANOTHER $7 MILLION THAT COULD BE INVESTED. SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THAT MEANS THAT THAT WOULD GENERATE, OVER A COUPLE YEAR PERIOD, ABOUT AN ADDITIONAL $600,000 OF INVESTMENT. THIS PAGE SHOWS YOU THE PROJECTIONS AT THE TIME WHEN WE DID THIS ANALYSIS, THAT IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT FY2026. PROJECTED EARNINGS BEFORE THE PLAN IS IMPLEMENTED.

ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE, OVER A COUPLE YEARS, THAT'S ABOUT $830,000. BUT IF WE INVEST AND MAXIMIZE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT THOSE FUNDS TO WORK, THAT WOULD PRETTY MUCH ADD, PROJECTED TO ADD, ABOUT ANOTHER $600,000 OVER A FISCAL YEAR. AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT OVER A CONTINUUM, BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST AN INVESTMENT IN ONE MONTH. AND LEAVE IT.

THIS IS A STRATEGIC PROGRAM.

IT'S A LITTLE MORE WHAT WE CALL ANALYTICAL APPROACH, BUT IT DOES REQUIRE LOOKING AT THE FUNDS, THINKING ABOUT HOW MUCH COULD BE...

HAVE DEPLOYED ADDITIONALLY OVER AND ABOVE WHAT YOU HAVE, AND THAT'S WHAT GENERATES THAT ADDITIONALLY. SO WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE, WHAT OUR PROPOSED NEXT STEPS ARE, IS REALLY IMPLEMENTING THIS PROGRAM. LOOKING AT USING, WORKING WITH THE COUNTY STAFF, COUNTY TREASURER, COLLECTIVELY, COLLABORATIVELY, AND LOOKING AT THE STRATEGIC PLAN. AND HOW WE COULD POTENTIALLY PUT THAT MONEY TO WORK TO GENERATE THAT ADDITIONAL INVESTMENT INCOME.

USING THE VIP INVESTMENTS THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE, THAT IS TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WANT ABOUT, WANT TO GO ABOUT THIS CONSERVATIVELY.

THIS IS A NEW APPROACH, BUT WE KNOW THAT BASED ON THE ANALYSIS AND MATH THAT WE'VE DONE, IT SHOULD GENERATE AND BE A CONSERVATIVE PLAN TO GO TOWARDS GENERATING THAT ADDITIONAL INCOME.

BUT STARTING SLOWLY IN TERMS OF TOE-DIPPING, WALKING BEFORE WE RUN, USING THE VIP PROGRAM THAT PRESERVES FULL LIQUIDITY TO YOU. SO YOU DON'T

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BUT AS WE KNOW, LOOKING AT CONSERVATIVE PROJECTIONS, THERE MAY BE FROM TIME TO TIME THINGS THAT COME UP WHERE WE'D HAVE TO MODIFY AND KIND OF MAKE SOME SLIGHT TWEAKS.

THAT'S TO BE EXPECTED. AND THEN ULTIMATELY, ADJUSTING THE STRATEGIC INVESTMENT PLAN AS INTEREST RATES EVOLVE, BECAUSE WE KNOW INTEREST RATES ARE GOING TO CHANGE. YOUR CURRENT INVESTMENT VEHICLES ARE SHORT-TERM, REALLY VERY LIQUID INVESTMENTS THAT BENEFIT FROM THE CURRENT FEDERAL RESERVE FUND RATES RIGHT NOW.

BUT AS WE GO FORWARD, WE WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT INTEREST RATES WOULD EVOLVE. THIS PLAN WOULD ALSO BE ADAPTABLE AND FLEXIBLE AS WELL, ALLOWING THE POTENTIAL TO PUT MONEY INTO CERTIFICATES OF DEPOSIT WITH BANKS OR OTHER SECURITIES THAT MAY BE PURCHASED IN THE OPEN MARKET.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY THERE, A LOT OF THINGS TO THINK ABOUT IN TERMS OF WHY. THAT MAY MAKE SENSE AS TIME EVOLVES.

BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE OVERALL CONCEPT OF THIS PLAN IS PUTTING MORE MONEY TO WORK, RATHER THAN HAVING IT SITTING IN AN OPERATING ACCOUNT THAT DOESN'T EARN ANY INVESTMENT INCOME. ANY QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIRMAN? I WANT TO ADD ONE THING, MR. CHAIRMAN, TO WHAT ROLAND SAID, IF I COULD. WHAT WE WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND IS... TO COME BACK TO THIS BOARD QUARTERLY, WORKING WITH STAFF AND TREASURER AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO. VERSUS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE THE LAST QUARTER. THIS IS HOW THE YEAR LOOKS VERSUS THE PREVIOUS YEAR. AND THEN WE CAN COMPARE THAT AS WELL TO WHERE INTEREST RATES WERE THE PREVIOUS YEAR. SO WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE IF WE ARE DOING BETTER OR NOT VERSUS A PRIOR YEAR. AND WE CAN SEE IF INTEREST RATES, FOR EXAMPLE, GO DOWN, ARE WE STILL DOING BETTER? AND THAT'S WAY... THE CITIZENS CAN SEE TOTALLY REALLY HOW APPLES TO APPLES YOUR INVESTMENTS ARE WORKING. BECAUSE ONE OTHER THING, AND WE ALL REMEMBER THIS, BECAUSE, OF COURSE, I WAS WITH YOU, THERE WAS A TIME WE HAD VERY LITTLE EXCESS DOLLARS TO BASICALLY BE INVESTED. AND THE TRUTH IS, THE TREASURER CAN ONLY INVEST WHEN SHE KNOWS GOOD INFORMATION FROM THE STAFF.

AND SO WHAT ROLAND'S MODEL HAS DONE, WITH THREE YEARS OF RUNNING, IS TO PROVIDE IN REAL TIME GOOD INFORMATION.

SO WE UNDERSTAND HOW YOUR CASH FLOWS WORK WHEN IT COMES TO THE MONIES THAT COME IN ONCE A YEAR. WE GET ALL THAT. THAT'S WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO SHOW, WHY THE DIPS AND ALL. SO WE CAN WORK WITH LYNETTE AND I HAVE FOR YEARS, WORK WITH THE TREASURER. AND AGAIN, WE DO THIS WITH SEVERAL DOZEN OTHER PLACES HERE IN VIRGINIA AND ALSO THE SOUTHEAST. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR OVER 25 YEARS. IT'S GREAT TRANSPARENCY. AND YOU, AGAIN, IF WE CAN TURN AROUND AND IMPACT THREE PLUS PENNIES EQUIVALENT, THAT'S A REAL DIFFERENCE.

THAT'S HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN THIS CURRENT ENVIRONMENT.

SO, I APPRECIATE THAT. AND SO THE SECOND, I KNOW YOU WANTED TO ASK, DR. EDWARDS. I THINK APPROPRIATE THREE MONTHS APPOINTMENTS WOULD BE VERY APPROPRIATE AND VERY BENEFICIAL TO ALL OF US. I'M SORRY. I THINK THAT THREE MONTHS QUARTERLY REPORTS WOULD BE EXTREMELY BENEFICIAL. SIR, AND SO THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO INTRODUCE TO YOU WITH MR. CORNEJO IS THIS SECOND PIECE, WHICH IS SOMEWHAT RELATED BUT ALSO SEPARATE. AND I'VE ASKED RICARDO, HE'LL BE VERY BRIEF, I PROMISE, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING NEW WE WANTED TO INTRODUCE TO YOU AS A SERVICE, AND YOU ALL CAN DECIDE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S OF INTEREST.

SO, RICARDO, IF YOU WOULD.

GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN.

AS DAVID SAID, I'VE 20 PLUS YEARS IN BANKING, BASICALLY A GOVERNMENT AND TREASURY BANKER, VERY SIMILAR TO WHO THE TREASURER IS PROBABLY WORKING WITH NOW WITH YOUR LOCAL CONCURRENT BANK. I'VE BEEN WITH DAVENPORT FOR OVER 10 YEARS, AND IN THAT TIME WE HAVE PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING CALLED A BANKING SERVICES AUDIT. AND IT'S NOT ABOUT TICKING AND TYING NUMBERS, BUT MORE ABOUT REVIEWING. THE CURRENT PROCESSES THAT YOUR BANK DOES,

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AS WE GO THROUGH THE BANKING STATEMENTS, THROUGH THE ANALYZED STATEMENTS, THROUGH THE DIFFERENT PROCEDURES OF, LET'S SAY, WHAT THE BANK PROMISED TO DO IN THEIR REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL THAT YOU'VE ALL PROBABLY PUT OUT, AND HOW THEY ANSWERED THAT. SO WE KIND OF FOCUS ON. WHAT THEY'RE DOING AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME AS YOUR INCUMBENT BANK. SO, AS I STATED, WE LOOKED AT THE BANKING STATEMENTS AND REVIEWED CERTAIN THINGS. AND WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KIND OF ARE DOING THE APPROPRIATE PIECES FOR THE COUNTY, WHICH WOULD BE TO REVIEW THE CURRENT BANK'S DELIVERABLES.

AGAIN, FOR US, IT'S MORE IMPORTANT FROM A CUSTOMER SERVICE, YOUR PROCEDURES. HOW ARE THEY MOVING FORWARD ON THAT? YOUR ONLINE CAPABILITIES, THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT CUTS DOWN ON STAFF TIME, NOT ONLY THE TREASURERS, BUT ALSO ON THE FINANCE STAFF TIME.

INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY, WE KNOW THAT MORE AND MORE BANKS ARE BEING MALWARED. AND NOW, WITH AI, THERE'S ANOTHER WAY THAT THEY'RE FOCUSING ON HOW TO TAKE MONEY FROM THE CLIENTS. AND THEN TRAINING AND FEES. NOW AGAIN, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THAT THE COUNTY CHANGE BANKS.

BUT WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS THAT, AND AGAIN, THAT IS YOUR PREROGATIVE. YOU MAY DO THAT IF YOU'D LIKE, BECAUSE THERE ARE SEVERAL BANKS HERE IN THIS CORTLAND AREA. BUT WHAT WE'RE SAYING ALSO IS THAT WE FEEL THAT IF WE DELVE INTO WHAT IS GOING ON CURRENTLY WITH THE CURRENT BANK, AND WE REVIEW THESE PROCEDURES, THAT WE CAN FIND PROBABLY SAVINGS. ACTUALLY, WE WILL FIND SAVINGS ON HOW THEY'RE DOING BUSINESS.

HOW WE CAN HELP YOU NOT ONLY ON YOUR FEES, BECAUSE THERE ARE EARNINGS, CREDIT RATES THAT CAN HELP YOU.

AND HOW MUCH MONEY YOU HAVE TO KEEP IN ORDER TO GET THE FREE SERVICES, AND ALSO THE INTEREST THAT YOU WOULD GET ON YOUR EXCESS BALANCES. AND THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT, BECAUSE AGAIN, AS MY COLLEAGUES HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE INVESTMENTS, THERE IS MONEY TO BE MADE ON THE EXCESS BALANCES.

DEPENDING ON WHAT THE BANK IS PAYING.

YOU ALL. SO. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE REVIEW, AGAIN, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK AT THE RFP THAT WAS DISTRIBUTED, SEE WHAT THE SELECTED BANK, HOW IT ANSWERED, AND MAKING SURE, CONSULTING WITH COUNTY LEADERSHIP, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND THE TREASURER, TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS ON OPERATIONS, TECHNOLOGY, ANY RELATED ITEMS, AND AGAIN, IDENTIFY THE AREAS WHERE THE BANK'S CURRENT SERVICES, SO THE INCUMBENT BANK'S CURRENT SERVICES, WHETHER THEY ARE...

IN VIOLATION, AND WE'RE IN VIOLATION WHETHER THEY ARE FOLLOWING THE LAW, OF THE EXISTING AGREEMENTS THAT THEY HAVE. AND AGAIN, AS A BANKER OF 20 YEARS, WE GET COMPLACENT WITH US. AND UNLESS THE SQUEAKY WHEEL SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT IT, WE'RE JUST GOING TO KEEP GOING THE WAY THAT WE'RE GOING. SO, ORGANIZE A FORMAL REVIEW, DISCUSSION, ORAL INTERVIEWS. AND I REALLY, REALLY BELIEVE THAT WHEN YOU'RE SITTING WITH THE LEADERSHIP, FINANCE AND TREASURY IN FRONT OF THE BANK. AND WE'RE NEGOTIATING. IT GIVES THEM A SENSE OF PURPOSE WHERE WE ARE MOVING TOWARDS A COMMON GROUND TO BASICALLY BENEFIT THE COUNTY. BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE MONIES THAT WE WILL BE SAVING IS THE COUNTY'S MONIES. AND THAT'S HOW THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN A LOOK AT, JUST LIKE MAKING MONEY ON THE INVESTMENT SIDE. AND AGAIN, WE ALWAYS WILL SERVE, AS WE HAVE DONE OVER 30 YEARS, AS THE LIAISON. AND WE WILL BE THE LIAISON BETWEEN THE INCUMBENT BANK AND THE COUNTY LEADERSHIP, WHICH AGAIN... HAS A POTENTIAL TO LOOK AT THE AMENDMENTS, MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO WHAT YOU HAVE CURRENTLY, AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CONTRACT IS IN A BETTER PLACE FOR THE COUNTY. BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS FOR THE COUNTY TO BE BENEFITED BY THIS PARTICULAR BANKING SERVICE AUDIT. AND THEN, FINALLY, REVIEW AND NEGOTIATE ANY UPDATED TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR YOUR INCUMBENT BANK SO THAT IT'S ADVANTAGEOUS TO THE COUNTY. SO WITH THAT, I'LL STOP. DAVID, ANYTHING TO ADD? ANY QUESTIONS FOR THESE GENTLEMEN? WE THANK YOU AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU EVERY THREE MONTHS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE

[8. Reimbursement Resolution for Capital Expenditures]

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AT 4.25% INTEREST RATE. DO YOU MIND IF I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THIS PROGRAM WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR A LONG TIME. DO I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, SO WE NEED A MOTION TO ADOPT THE REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION. SO MOVED. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY, AYE. AYE. OKAY.

WE'LL GET SOME NEW SCHOOL BUSES. ALL RIGHT, NUMBER NINE,

[9. Johnson's Mill Road]

[10. Public Hearing- Floodplain Ordinance Amendments- Request to Adopt]

HE IS HERE. I'M GOING TO LET MR. PRINCE, GIVE US A BRIEF INTRODUCTION ON WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS. AND WHILE HE'S DOING THAT, WE HAVE ONE OF OUR ENGINEERING STAFF FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

MR. JACK CLOUD IS HERE, WHO WILL BE ABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS CONCERNING ANY OF THE ENGINEERING THINGS THAT COME UP. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. MY NAME IS REAGAN PRINCE. I'M THE DIRECTOR OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT ALSO ADMINISTERS THE FLOOD PLATE MANAGEMENT, OR THE... FLOODPLAIN ORDINANCE AS WELL, AND THE ADOPTION OF THE UPDATED FLOODPLAIN MAPS HAS BEEN A REQUIREMENT BY FEMA AND THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF CONSERVATION AND RECREATION. AND SO WE RECEIVED... THE UPDATED FLOODPLAIN MAPS BACK IN DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR. AND IT IS REQUIRED, THEY HAVE A FINAL DATE OF MARCH 17TH, 2026, THAT WE HAVE TO ADOPT THIS NEW ORDINANCE, FLOODPLAIN ORDINANCE. AND EARLIER THIS YEAR, THEY SUBMITTED, FEMA FORWARDED A COVER LETTER.

TO THE COUNCIL, STATING THAT WE HAVE UNTIL

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BUT WHAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IS, THIS IS KIND OF LIKE ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE GOVERNMENT KIND OF PUSHING STUFF ON US. AND I'M USING IT AS AN EXAMPLE HERE.

THIS IS THE CONSTRUCTION PLAN, THE TOPO SURVEY FORUM, WHERE WE DID THE COURTHOUSE.

AND YOU SEE ON THERE THAT I'VE HIGHLIGHTED TWO ELEVATIONS.

ONE IS THE FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION. THE COURTHOUSE IS 29.3. AND THE OTHER ONE, THERE'S A FINISHED FLOOR OF A DOORWAY. AND THAT ELEVATION IS 26.7. DEPENDING ON, AND THIS IS FROM EXPERIENCE IN ALL OF TIDEWATER, CITIES AND MUNICIPALITIES HAVE ADOPTED THIS. AND IT'S WHEN IT'S PRESENTED TO REAGAN AND IT COMES TO US, THEY PRESENT IT AS SOME MINIMUM ADDITIONAL ELEVATION THAT THEY WANT US TO ADD IN. I BELIEVE IT WAS 18 INCHES ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE, BUT THEY WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO GO HIGHER. WELL, PORTSMOUTH, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY WENT TO 36 INCHES.

FIGURED THEY WERE DOING BETTER, THEY WERE DOING MORE.

BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS, AS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH YOUR DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, THAT ADDITIONAL 18 INCHES HAS... CREATED SOME REAL DIFFICULTIES ON SOME LARGER COMMERCIAL PRODUCTS. THE CLIENTS COME TO US, THEY WANT TO DO THAT, AND WE'RE LIKE, YEAH, BUT YOUR FLOOD ELEVATION IS, YOU KNOW, OCCASIONALLY GET ANKLE-DEEP WATER, BUT YOU NOW HAVE TO BE THREE FEET HIGHER THAN THAT, WHICH MEANS IF YOU'RE AN EXISTING BUILDING AND YOU'RE CHANGING 50% OR 51% OF YOUR OLD BUILDING. AND YOU'RE TRYING TO BRING IT UP TO SPEED, YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT NICE FOR THE COMMUNITY. THAT TRIGGERS, YOU HAVE TO BRING EVERYTHING UP. WE HAD ONE, WHICH WAS A WAREHOUSE RIGHT BESIDE THE SHIPYARD, ON THE WATER. THE CITY WOULD NOT LET THEM OCCUPY AND USE THAT WAREHOUSE UNLESS THEY RAISED THE WAREHOUSE THREE FEET. THAT'S A WATER-DEPENDENT USE. THESE THINGS CAN HAVE A WAY OF COMING BACK TO BITE YOU. AND IT'S FUNNY THAT WE'VE GOT... THREE WEEKS TO REVIEW AND UNDERSTAND EVERY WORD IN THIS WHOLE ORDINANCE.

AND WE REALLY DON'T. IF WE HAD SIX MONTHS, WE STILL COULDN'T GET IT RIGHT.

SO I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE GOING TO TAKE AND WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO GO TO THIS ADDITIONAL ELEVATION.

SO WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR

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AND THEY KNOW THERE'S A 1% CHANCE THAT WE'LL HAVE A FLOOD THIS YEAR AND THAT WATER ELEVATION WILL COME UP TO 25.2. ELEVATION 25.2 IN THE REAL WORLD IS THE BACK WALL OF THE COURTHOUSE. THREE FEET ABOVE, OR 18 INCHES ABOVE THAT, WE'RE LOOKING AT ELEVATION 26.7. THAT WOULD BE ABOVE THAT DOORWAY. NOW, IF SOMEBODY WASN'T PAYING ATTENTION, THEY WEREN'T DOING EVERYTHING THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO, THE SURVEYOR CAME OUT AND HE SHOT THAT DOORWAY AND HE SAID, THAT'S THE FINISHED FLOOR.

THIS WAS A HOUSE. NOT KNOWING THAT INSIDE, IT ACTUALLY CAME UP TO THE TRUE FINISH FLOOR OF 29.3, WHICH WOULD BE ABOVE, REAGAN WOULD AUTOMATICALLY APPROVE THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE ABOVE THE 18 INCHES. BUT IF BAD INFORMATION CAME THROUGH, IF SOMEBODY DIDN'T DO THEIR JOB, THERE WOULD BE REAL POTENTIAL FOR A HOMEOWNER, PROPERTY OWNER TO HAVE REAL DAMAGE THROUGH NO FAULT OF ANYBODY'S. OTHER THAN WHOEVER DIDN'T KNOW TO GO INSIDE AND CHECK. AND REAGAN WOULD THEN BE FORCED TO FORCE THAT PROPERTY OWNER TO RAISE THEIR FINISHED FLOOR TO 18 INCHES ABOVE THIS CALCULATED. SO WHAT FEMA'S DOING, THEY DO FLOOD INSURANCE. SO THEY'VE CALCULATED 1% CHANCE THIS WATER'S GOING TO GO TO THIS HIGH.

BUT THEY'RE SMART. THEY'RE WRITING THE FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM. THEY'D LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE ADDITIONAL BUFFER, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.

ADDITIONAL FOOT AND A HALF, WHICH MAKES THEM MORE COMFORTABLE TO WRITE ALL THOSE POLICIES THAT THEY WRITE. THE PEOPLE THAT GET IN TROUBLE AND HAVE ALL THE ISSUES ARE US. SO IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO THAT. WE HAVE SEEN BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, TRY TO HELP OUT BY, INSTEAD OF 18 INCHES, WE'LL DO...

THREE FEET. WE'LL DO TWO FEET.

THEY'RE JUST GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND, BUT IT TRULY ISN'T ABOVE AND BEYOND. THE 18 INCHES IS ALREADY ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE CALCULATED ELEVATION IS. SO I DON'T WANT THIS TO IN ANY WAY SLOW US DOWN. IT STILL TAKES, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO TAKE US THREE WEEKS TO GET THIS THING AMENDED AND APPROVED AND SIGNED AND RECORDED.

BUT I JUST WANTED EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT THIS IS...

ANOTHER INSTANCE OF THE GOVERNMENT KIND OF RAILROADING OVER US. TRYING TO HELP THEM ON THEIR INSURANCE POLICIES SO THAT THEY CAN GIVE US BETTER RATES. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION. IF WE WERE TO PASS THIS ORDINANCE, WOULD WE THEN BE REQUIRED, BASED ON THE NEW PARAMETERS THEY PUT IN PLACE, TO PUT FRAUD INSURANCE ON THE COURTHOUSE? NO, WE'RE ABOVE. WE'RE GOOD. I JUST USED THIS AS A THIS WAS I COULD GRAB THESE AND PRINT THEM QUICKLY.

DO WE KNOW HOW MANY COUNTY RESIDENTS MIGHT BE AFFECTED? WE REALLY DON'T. AND THE BAD PART ABOUT IT IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SURVEYOR GO OUT AND SURVEY AND VERIFY. AND THEN THERE'S DIFFERENT ADJUSTMENTS YOU CAN MAKE.

THERE'S DIFFERENT DATUMS YOU HAVE TO COMPARE THAT TO.

BECAUSE SEA LEVEL ISN'T SEA LEVEL. IT'S SEA LEVEL AS DETERMINED BY THAT DATUM THAT YOU CAME OFF OF. SO THERE'S A LOT OF WORK FOR EACH AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. I JUST WANTED TO AVOID UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. ME TOO. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF ANYTHING POPS UP, I'M RIGHT HERE. YOU MAY HOLD IT THERE. WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND WE'LL SEE IF ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENT ON THIS. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, FEMA HAS RECOMMENDED THAT WE GO HIGHER THAN THE 18 INCHES. WHAT JACK IS TALKING ABOUT IS THE 18 INCHES. TALKING ABOUT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION, THAT ONE ELEVATION AND THEN WE HAVE TO GO UP. IF IF YOU HAVE A PROPERTY HAS SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE, ANY TIME A SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENT, YOU HAVE TO GO ADDITIONAL 18 INCHES IF YOUR PROPERTY IS DAMAGED AND YOU HAVE TO REBUILD IT. SO, IN THIS ORDINANCE, FEMA RECOMMENDED WE GO TO 24 INCHES, AN ADDITIONAL SIX FEET, SIX INCHES. WELL, BASED

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YES, SIR. BOARD MEMBERS, I'M DANNY WILLIAMS. I LIVE AT 23143 HANGING TREE ROAD. I REALLY DON'T WANT TO HAVE A COMMENT, BUT I CAN'T SIT THERE WITH MY MOUTH CLOSED. IF I COULD, I'D BE GOVERNOR OR PRESIDENT OR SOMETHING. LET ME JUST SAY. THIS HAS TO BE ADOPTED. THIS IS NOT A QUESTION. IT'S NOT A PERSONAL OPINION OR THE FACT THAT YOU WANT TO SAVE SOMEBODY MONEY.

IF YOU EVER HAD AN INCH OF WATER IN YOUR HOUSE, YOU'D HAVE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT OPINION. THIS IS NOT A BURDEN.

IT'S A BENEFIT. YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PURCHASE FLOOD INSURANCE IF YOU'RE IN THE FLOODPLAIN. FOR ALL OF THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE IN THE FLOODPLAIN THAT HAVE CURRENT FLOOD INSURANCE, IF YOU DON'T ADOPT THIS BY THE 17TH, YOU WILL BE IN A BAD SITUATION. THE PROP DONORS, BANKING INSTITUTIONS, LENDING INSTITUTIONS COULD DEFAULT. FEMA WILL DEFINITELY DEFAULT. YOU WILL NO LONGER HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE, SO IF YOU HAVE AN EVENT WITHIN A PERIOD OF TIME, WHATEVER THE MANDATE IS, YOU WOULDN'T BE COVERED. SO THE 18 INCHES WAS A RECOMMENDATION.

VIRGINIA STATE CODE SAYS IT'S 12 INCHES, SO YOU'VE GOT A MINIMUM OF 12 INCHES. THE ONLY SAYING I'M GOING TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL.

HALF A FOOT TO YOUR CURRENT FLOODPLAIN ELEVATION.

IN THE PAST, IN CERTAIN AREAS, LIKE THE SCHOOL, THE ACADEMY, THEY RAISED THEIR FLOODPLAIN ELEVATION TWO FEET.

IN THE 70S, THEY JUST RAISED IT TWO FEET, SAYING WE'RE GOING TO JUST MAKE SURE WE'RE ABOVE THE FLOODPLAIN, AND IT DIDN'T HAVE ANY DAMAGE IN THE 99 FLOOD. A LOT OF THE HOUSES IN THE SHANDS COMMUNITY DID RECEIVE DAMAGE, AND AS YOU RIDE THROUGH THAT BACK SECTION, YOU CAN SEE WHERE. AS THE DEVELOPMENT OCCURRED, THEY IMPLEMENTED HIGHER AND HIGHER FLOODPLAIN ELEVATIONS, MINIMUM FLOODPLAIN ELEVATIONS.

AND YOU CAN SEE WHICH HOUSES WERE DAMAGED THE WORST, WHICH WERE THE NEWEST, THE OLDEST HOUSES WERE DAMAGED MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE. SO, I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND. AS A CORTLAND RESIDENT AND ALSO A CERTIFIED FLOODPLAIN MANAGER, I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU ADOPT THIS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

WITHOUT MENTIONING ANY WORDS, IF THE DOCUMENT THAT WAS PROVIDED BY FEMA IS READY, I WOULD ACT ON IT TONIGHT. I WOULDN'T HESITATE. I WOULDN'T WAIT BECAUSE IT IS A MAJOR, MAJOR ISSUE IF IT GOES TO DEFAULT. THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ABSOLUTE MINIMUM OF 12 INCHES BECAUSE OF STATE CODE. SO FEMA SAYS THEY'D LIKE TO SEE 18, BUT THEY RECOMMEND 24.

BUT IF YOU ADOPT 18, THAT'S, LIKE I SAID, 12 IS THE ABSOLUTE MINIMUM. AS FAR AS THE CONCERN ABOUT HAVING A REDUCED RATE, IF YOU ENTER THE COMMUNITY RATING SYSTEM, CRS SYSTEM, THERE ARE DIFFERENT HOOPS YOU'VE GOT TO JUMP THROUGH IN ORDER TO RECEIVE. BENEFIT ON YOUR FLOOD INSURANCE.

BUT BECAUSE OF THAT 12 INCH FREE BOARD IS WHAT THEY CALL IT, BECAUSE OF THAT 12 INCH FREE BOARD. EVERYBODY THAT HAS FLOOD INSURANCE IS ALREADY. IF THEY PASS THEIR CRS QUALIFICATIONS, WOULD RECEIVE A 10 PERCENT ADJUSTMENT IN THEIR FLOOD INSURANCE, WHICH TO SOME OF THESE PEOPLE WOULD BE SUBSTANTIAL. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE, ANYBODY ELSE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ISSUE THEN? ANY DISCUSSION AMONG THE BOARD? SO DO WE NEED TO APPROVE IT AS WRITTEN? IS

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[11. Public Hearing- No Through Truck Traffic- Trinity Church/Wakefield Roads]

TRINITY CHURCH, WAKEFIELD ROAD. WANT ME TO READ THIS? YES, I CERTAINLY DO. I SURE WILL. AT YOUR JANUARY 27, 2026 MEETING, YOU AUTHORIZED CONDUCTING A PUBLIC HEARING.

PERTAINING TO THE PROPOSED RESTRICTING OF THROUGH TRUCK TRAFFIC ON TRINITY CHURCH ROAD AND A PORTION OF WAKEVILLE ROAD FROM IVOR ROAD TO GUY PLACE ROAD. THE PROPOSED ALTERNATE ROUTE FOR THROUGH TRUCKS IS IVOR ROAD TO GUY PLACE ROAD.

THE ATTACHED MAP SHOWS THE PROPOSED NO. THROUGH TRUCK TRAFFIC ROUTE AND ALTERNATE ROUTE. VIRGINIA STATE CODE, SECTION 46.2-809. OUTLINES THE PROCESS FOR LOCALITY SEEKING NO THROUGH TRUCK TRAFFIC DESIGNATIONS FROM THE COMMONWEALTH TRANSPORTATION BOARD. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT? ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ISSUE, AND I'D LIKE TO SPEAK CONCERNING THAT. HOW ARE Y'ALL DOING THIS EVENING? SO WE ACTUALLY... ADDRESS IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE. I'M SORRY? NAME AND ADDRESS, IF YOU WOULD. YES, SIR, I WAS GETTING READY TO SAY THAT. IT'S WILLIAM HEITZER. I LIVE AT 26086 TRINITY CHURCH ROAD. SO I'M ACTUALLY THE CORNER LOT WHERE TRINITY CHURCH COMES INTO WAKEFIELD ROAD. WE'VE HAD AN ISSUE FOR A WHILE NOW WITH HEAVY TRUCKS COMING DOWN.

TRINITY CHURCH ROAD. IT'S BEEN A COUPLE YEARS WITH WE'VE BEEN SEEING FOUR AND FIVE AXLE DUMP TRUCKS THAT EXCEED WIDTH FOR SAFETY ON THE ROAD. AND NOW WE HAVE THE LUMBER COMPANY DOWN AT THE OTHER END OF THE ROAD. AND I ACTUALLY HAVE. FOR OUR SECURITY, I'VE GOT A CAMERA THAT FACES OUR FRONT GATE OUT TO TRINITY CHURCH ROAD, AND I CAN SOON.

PULL CAMERA PICTURES OF 12 TO 20 FULLY LOADED TRACTOR TRAILERS GOING UP AND DOWN TRINITY CHURCH ROAD, BASICALLY 24 HOURS A DAY. I'VE PULLED SOME INFORMATION. WE ACTUALLY, MY WIFE AND I, WENT UP AND DOWN TRINITY CHURCH ROAD YESTERDAY. WE TOOK MEASUREMENTS FROM EDGE OF PAVEMENT TO EDGE OF PAVEMENT, NOT GRAVEL, NOT DITCH, BECAUSE THAT'S OUTSIDE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.

AT THE WIDEST POINT, YOU HAVE 16 FEET 7 INCHES.

AT THE NARROWEST, YOU HAVE 13 FEET 6 INCHES. THAT WAS ACTUALLY ON A CURVE BY THE FARM THAT'S RIGHT UP THE STREET FROM US. WHILE WE WERE THERE, A TRACTOR-TRAILER AND A CAR PASSED. THE CAR NEARLY WENT IN THE DITCH. OUR CHILDREN LIVE ON IVO ROAD. AND TRAVEL UP AND DOWN, THEY'VE BEEN PUT IN THE DITCH. I'VE HAD TO GO IN THE DITCH. THE TRUCKS DRIVE EXCESSIVELY FAST. THERE'S ALSO A BRIDGE ON TRINITY CHURCH ROAD. I PULLED UP THE LAST INSPECTION ON THAT BRIDGE, WHICH WAS IN 2022. THERE'S SOME FALSE INFORMATION ON THIS INSPECTION. THEY'RE SAYING THAT IT'S ACTUALLY WIDER THAN WHAT IT WAS. IT'S ACTUALLY STATED THAT IT'S 4.9 METERS.

THEY GO BY METERS, WHICH WOULD BE... 16.66 FEET. I ACTUALLY MEASURED IT YESTERDAY.

IT IS 14 FEET ON THE NOSE. AN AVERAGE TRACTOR TRAILER IS 8.5 FEET WIDE. AN AVERAGE COMPACT CAR IS 5.5 FEET WIDE. A MIDSIZE CAR IS 6 FEET WIDE. A PICKUP TRUCK IS 7 FEET WIDE. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO FIT ON THAT BRIDGE. IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

TO THE ACTUAL CURB OF THE BRIDGE ITSELF IS 19 FEET. YOU CANNOT PUT TWO VEHICLES WITH THE MIRRORS AND EVERYTHING ELSE ON THAT BRIDGE. AND IT ALSO STATES IN THIS INSPECTION THAT REPLACEMENT OF BRIDGE TO OFFER STRUCTURE BECAUSE OF

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THERE'S NO WEIGHT LIMIT SIGNS.

THERE'S NO... CAUTION SIGNS, THERE'S NO SINGLE LANE, BRIDGE SIGNS OR ANYTHING FROM EITHER DIRECTION. IT'S ALSO A BLIND BRIDGE. YOU COME DOWN A HILL FROM EITHER WAY.

AND AGAIN, I PERSONALLY HAVE BEEN PUT IN THE DITCH FROM TRACTOR TRAILERS COMING DOWN AROUND THAT CURVE, ONTO THAT BRIDGE. SO I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE HERE. THERE'S SEVERAL OTHER PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON TRINITY CHURCH ROAD THAT THEY CAN SPEAK ON THEIR OWN. I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE UP ANY MORE OF YOUR TIME, BUT JUST WANTED TO KIND OF LET YOU KNOW THE ACTUAL FACTS. AND TRUE MEASUREMENTS. SO, THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN? ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING? HI, I'M ALLISON CHITWOOD-WILLIAMS, AND I LIVE AT 27161 TRINITY CHURCH ROAD. AND MY HUSBAND IS HERE WITH ME, AUBREY WILLIAMS. SO WE LIVE RIGHT NEAR THE BRIDGE. THAT HE WAS DISCUSSING. AND I HAVE MANY CONCERNS ABOUT THESE TRACTOR TRAILERS COMING DOWN THIS TINY COUNTRY ROAD.

ON, LIKE HE JUST SAID, I ALSO HAVE A RING CAMERA AND IT FACES THE ROAD. AND IN ONE DAY IN DECEMBER, I COUNTED 46 TRACTOR TRAILER TRUCKS. SOME OF THEM WERE EMPTY, A LOT OF THEM WERE FULL. I THINK THAT'S EXCESSIVE FOR THIS LITTLE TINY COUNTRY ROAD. NUMEROUS TIMES DURING THIS WINTER. THERE WAS ALTERNATING TRACTOR TRAILERS.

IT WAS ALMOST LIKE A, FOR LACK OF BETTER TERMINOLOGY, A TRACTOR TRAILER TRUCK, LIKE A TRAFFIC JAM, WITH THREE TRACTOR TRAILERS ON THIS SIDE, THREE TRACTOR TRAILERS ON THIS SIDE, AND THEY WOULD ALTERNATE ONE AT A TIME. AND THIS HAPPENED ALL DAY LONG.

THESE TRACTOR TRAILERS ARE FULL OF VERY LARGE LOGS AND LARGE WOODEN MATS, AND THESE MATS ARE PLACED DOWN SO THAT LOGGING EQUIPMENT CAN GO DOWN. AND TO CUT THE TREES. SO THEY COME BACK AND FORTH ALL DAY LONG.

SO I HAVE TO ASK, WHY ARE THEY USING THIS SMALL ROAD INSTEAD OF IVOR ROAD? I DID THE MATH AND THERE'S ONLY A THREE MILE DIFFERENCE IF THEY TOOK IVOR ROAD VERSUS OUR LITTLE COUNTRY ROAD. I ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT I UNDERSTAND IF THERE WAS AN ACTIVE LOGGING YOU JOB ON OUR ROAD. IT WOULD NECESSITATE USAGE, BUT IT DOESN'T. WE DID HAVE, RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE, THERE WAS LOGGING AND DOWN THE STREET. I THINK MEGAN'S GOING TO TALK, BUT SHE, RIGHT DOWN FROM HER HOUSE, THERE WAS LOGGING.

BUT IT'S BEEN DONE FOR A WHILE, AND IT'S STILL REALLY AN EXCESSIVE AMOUNT OF TRACTOR-TRAILERS. I ALSO HAVE TWO TEENAGE DRIVERS. I HAVE ANOTHER ONE FALLING SUIT SOON, A FOUR-YEAR-OLD WHO PLAYS OUTSIDE. I'M A RUNNER MYSELF. I CAN'T RUN ON THE STREET ANYMORE. WE ALSO HAVE AN OLDER LADY WHO WALKS ON TRINITY CHURCH ROAD WITH AN AIDE EACH MORNING. I DON'T THINK IT'S SAFE. WE HAVE FARMERS WHO USE THIS ROAD. AND IT'S JUST NOT, THERE'S NO LINES ON THE ROAD.

IT'S NOT SUITABLE FOR EVEN A CAR, LIKE ONE CAR, TO PASS EACH OTHER. SO, IN CLOSING, I'M GRATEFUL YOU APPROVED THE TRAFFIC STUDY.

SAFETY IS THE BIGGEST CONCERN AND IT'S PARAMOUNT THAT WE TRY TO ENSURE THAT THEY USE EIFFEL ROAD INSTEAD OF TRINITY CHURCH ROAD. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS YOUNG LADY? THANK YOU.

WE THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, ANYBODY ELSE? HEY, HOW ARE YOU DOING TONIGHT? GOOD EVENING.

GOOD. MY NAME IS GARY FUTURE. I LIVE AT 17385 WAKEFIELD ROAD, WHICH I'M RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF TRINITY CHURCH AND WAKEFIELD. A LOT OF TIMES, THE TRACTOR TRAILERS AND THE DUMP TRUCKS DON'T EVEN STOP FOR THE STOP SIGN WHEN THEY COME BY.

AND THE ROAD IS SO NARROW, WHEN SOMEBODY'S MEETING THEM, THE TRACTOR TRAILERS GET AS FAR OVER AS THEY CAN, AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY EATING UP THE EDGE OF THE ROAD, WHICH, YOU KNOW, MAKES A HAZARD, TOO, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE TO MEET ONE AND YOU HAVE TO GO OFF THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD, IT COULD PULL YOU INTO THE DITCH. VDOT CAME ABOUT. TWO MONTHS AGO. AND REPAIRED SEVERAL PLACES ON THAT ROAD BECAUSE IT HAD TO EAT THE SIDE OF THE ROAD UP TOO, SO IT'S DOING DAMAGE TO THE ROAD ALSO. THANK YOU ALL RIGHT. I THINK SOMEBODY ELSE HAD JUMPED UP THERE. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING

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UM, I HAVE LIVED THERE FOR ALMOST 16 YEARS AND RAISED MY, ALMOST RAISED MY CHILDREN THERE. OVER THE LAST YEAR, I'VE WATCHED THE TRAFFIC ON OUR ROAD PICK UP, THE INCREASE OF TRACTOR TRAILERS, MORE SPECIFICALLY. HOWEVER, IT'S ALSO BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION, WITH THE ADDITION TO PINECREST BEING BUILT AT THE END OF OUR ROAD. I BELIEVE THAT THE GPS IS PLAYING A FACTOR IN TRAFFIC IN GENERAL. SO NOW WE HAVE THE INFLUX OF THE TRACTOR, TRAILERS, DUMP TRUCKS, ETC., AS WELL AS GENERAL TRAFFIC. SO IT'S MORE OF A CUT THROUGH ROAD NOW. THAN IT HAS EVER BEEN. I DO WORK, SHIFT WORK, ALLOWS ME TO BE HOME DURING THE DAY WHEN MOST PEOPLE ARE AT WORK. SO I DO OBSERVE THIS INFLUX OF TRAFFIC. NOT ONLY THAT, BUT I ALSO HAVE THE PLEASURE OF HEARING THE INFLUX OF TRAFFIC, SOMETIMES BEGINNING AT 4.45 IN THE MORNING. AFTER 10 PLUS YEARS OF WORKING SHIFT WORK, I GO TO SLEEP AFTER NIGHT SHIFT WITH EARPLUGS, JUST TO ENSURE THAT I GET MY SLEEP BEFORE I COME BACK OUT TO WORK. I HAVE RESPECT FOR THE THE TRUCK COMPANIES AS WELL AS THEIR DRIVERS. AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ALL HAVE A JOB TO DO. OUR ROAD IS JUST SIMPLY TOO SMALL. I'VE WATCHED TWO TRUCKS MEET, CAUSING THEM TO STRIKE MY MAILBOX JUST A MONTH OR TWO AGO. THE SHOULDERS ARE BEGINNING TO CRUMBLE AS WELL, WHICH IS MAKING THAT ROAD JUST AS SMALL.

AND RARELY SEE VDOT DOING ANY KIND OF REPAIRS. IT'S NOT ONLY UNSAFE, BUT THE PEACE HAS BEEN DISTURBED FROM LIVING ON THAT ROAD FOR THE PAST 16 YEARS. COUNTRY LIVING IS THE REASON WHY WE LEFT SUFFOLK, AND FROM INSIDE OF MY HOME, IT HONESTLY SOUNDS LIKE I'M LIVING IN THE CITY AGAIN.

TO CHANGE OUR ROAD TO A NO-THROUGH-TRUCKS ROADWAY WOULD BRING BACK THE PEACE AND COUNTRY LIVING THAT MY FAMILY HAS BEEN ABLE TO ENJOY FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS. I APPRECIATE YOU ALL LISTENING TO US AND HEARING US OUT THIS EVENING. ANY QUESTIONS? WE THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, ANYBODY ELSE? I'M KELLY HEITZLER, I LIVE AT 26086 TRINITY CHURCH ROAD, AND MY HUSBAND CAME UP AND SPOKE, AND I HAVE SOME PICTURES, JUST WANTED TO SHARE THEM WITH YOU, THAT WAY, IF YOU WANTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THE DAMAGE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAD. ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. Y'ALL CERTAINLY CAME PREPARED TONIGHT. ALL RIGHT, IS ANYBODY ELSE? YES, SIR. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND BOARD EMPLOYEES.

GARY CROSS FROM MISSION CHURCH ROAD. I'VE BEEN ON THE BACK ROAD BACK THERE, TALKING TO A LOVELY PERSON ABOUT THIS, AND YOU CAN TELL IT WON'T HUNT THEM WHEN I SAID, LOVELY. AND I FEEL THEIR PLIGHT AND I UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERNS, BUT I STAND IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ROAD CLOSURE. I WILL ALWAYS STAND IN OPPOSITION TO ROAD CLOSURES, AS LONG AS I'M PAYING TAXES.

NOW OUR TAXES ARE SUPPOSED TO GO TO HELP THE ROAD CONDITIONS, AND IT'S APPARENTLY, VDOT DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ROAD MAINTENANCE. SO I SHOULD HAVE LEFT THAT OUT OF MY SPEECH. POTHOLES, THEY DON'T EVEN DO A GOOD JOB OF THAT, DO THEY, MR. WHITE? BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND THE ROAD CLOSING THAT WE'VE DONE FOR ENVIVA AND THE HEAVY CHIP TRUCKS THAT WERE MAKING IT TO OUR INDUSTRIAL PARK. NEXT TO THAT INDUSTRIAL PARK WERE MAIN ROADS THAT THEY COULD VERY WELL GET TO. SO FOR US TO START SHUTTING DOWN EVERY SECONDARY ROAD IN THE COUNTY BECAUSE IT GETS TRUCK TRAFFIC IS ASKING A LITTLE BIT MUCH. I USE THAT ROAD. I WORK A FARM ON WAKEFIELD ROAD. I'M NOT QUESTIONING THAT MAN'S TAPE MEASURE, BUT THE HEAD OF MY COMBINE IS 18 FOOT. AND I GOT FOUR WHOLE INCHES ON EACH SIDE TO GET ACROSS THAT LITTLE, NARROW BRIDGE. THE BRIDGE NEEDS TO BE... REPLACED AND MADE WIDER. BUT I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.

ANYONE, SHE SAID. SHE'S BEEN HERE 16 YEARS OR MORE, AND SHE PROBABLY WASN'T HERE WHEN

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AROUND, FARMING THE LAND ALL AROUND THAT MEATPACKING PLANT AS A TEENAGER. AND I SAW THE TRAFFIC THAT CAME AND WENT WITH HOGS, TURNING OAK, AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT HAPPENED ON THAT ROAD. SO, ANYONE BUILDING, BUYING, OR WANTING TO MOVE INTO ANY AREA SHOULD RECOGNIZE INDUSTRIAL ZONES WITHIN A REASONABLE LIMIT OF THEIR HOUSE. I FIND IT HARD THAT A... SOMEBODY LIKE PINECREST HAS SPENT THE MONEY THEY HAVE IN THIS COUNTY AND NOW PAYING TAXES TO THIS COUNTY, ONLY TO BE TOLD THEY CAN'T USE THAT ROAD THAT COMES UP TO THEIR PROPERTY.

WHAT KIND OF SIGNAL IS THAT SENDING TO THE REST OF THE BUSINESSES THAT MIGHT WANT TO COME HERE? I THINK ABOUT NORTH CAROLINA, YOU GO AROUND A HIGH SKI, TONS AND TONS OF INDUSTRY IS IN. IS IN THE COUNTRY, OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF AHOSKIE. AND BUSINESSES JUST COME THERE, AND I THINK THEIR ROADS ARE BETTER THAN OURS. WE HAVE A POOR ROAD SYSTEM. I'M GOING TO TELL A SHORT STORY, AND IF YOU'VE HEARD IT BEFORE, I DON'T CARE. I'M GOING TO TELL IT AGAIN. BUT BACK AROUND 2000, 2001, THE CITY OF FRANKLIN CLOSED TRUCK TRAFFIC. COMING THROUGH FRANKLIN, IF Y'ALL REMEMBER THAT, AND GAVE NO OTHER ALTERNATE TRUCK ROUTE FOR.

ESPECIALLY CITIZENS LIKE MYSELF AND THE BLACK CREEK SETTLER COMMUNITY TO GET THROUGH FRANKLIN. TO EVEN GET TO GO TO MUFFLESBORO WITHOUT A LONG, LONG DETOUR.

SO THE CITY OF FRANKLIN DID THAT, CLOSED ALL TRUCK TRAFFIC.

I WAS RAISING CHICKENS FOR PURDUE. ALL MY FEED TRUCKS CAME FROM MUFFLESBORO, CAME BY THE COLLEGE. RIGHT ON THROUGH HUNTERDALE AND CAME TO MY FARM. ABOUT 2003, EXACTLY, THAT'S WHEN MY SON WAS BORN.

MY WIFE WAS TWO WEEKS AWAY FROM GIVING BIRTH, I THINK IT WAS. THEY STARTED MEASURING THE MILEAGE FROM THE FEED MILL IN COFIELD. IT BLEW UP THIS WEEKEND. AND IF YOU WERE OVER 40 REGISTERED MILES ON THE SPEEDOMETER FROM THAT PLANT, YOU GOT KICKED OUT OF THE...

CHICKEN BUSINESS AT A TIME WHEN THAT WAS MY MAIN SOURCE OF INCOME. THEY HAD TO LEAVE, TURN OFF AT THE DUCK THROUGH ON 189, COME UP BEHIND THE MILL, GO TO WARD WINDSOR ON 258, TURN ON JOHNSON'S MILL ROAD, THEN TO MAKE IT TO BLACK CREEK AND INTO MY FARM, PUTTING ME FOUR MILES OUTSIDE OF THEIR 40-MILE RADIUS. AND THE REASON I TELL YOU THAT STORY IS BECAUSE THE CITY OF FRANKLIN DIDN'T KNOW HOW THEY WERE IMPACTING OTHER PEOPLE.

THEY HAD NO IDEA THAT IT WOULD PUT ME OUT OF BUSINESS RAISING CHICKENS.

SO THE MAIN POINT OF MY STORY IS EVERYTHING WE DO IN LIFE, INCLUDING THIS LONG SPEECH OF MINE, IMPACTS OTHERS.

GETTING Y'ALL OUT OF HERE EARLIER BECAUSE I'M STANDING UP HERE TALKING. LITTLE THINGS.

YOU PULL OUT IN FRONT OF SOMEBODY ON THE HIGHWAY AND YOU DIDN'T REALLY MEAN TO PULL OUT IN FRONT OF THEM. AND THEY SLAM ON BRAKES AND THROW THE HAMBURGER AND FRENCH FRIES IN THE FLOOR, BOY, THEY'RE GONNA BE MIGHTY MAD AT YOU. BUT EVERYTHING WE DO THROUGH LIFE. AND EVERY DAY IMPACTS SOMEBODY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, AND WE DON'T KNOW IT. SO THE POINT OF MY STORY IS CLOSING ROADS MAY SEEM LIKE THE RIGHT THING TO DO WITH THESE CITIZENS THAT LIVE ON TRINITY CHURCH. ARE WE SUPPOSED TO USE GUY PLACE? DID I READ THAT IN THE PAPER CORRECTLY? THIS IS YOUR DISTRICT, MR. CORNWELL.

HOW MANY PEOPLE ON GUY PLACE DID YOU GO TO SEE? OKAY, EVERY ACTION WE TAKE AFFECTS SOMEBODY ELSE. I DO KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF SAND TRUCKS THAT HAVE BEEN COMING FOR YEARS. OFF OF 35, COMING DOWN WAKEFIELD ROAD AND TAKING TRINITY CHURCH TO GET TO WINDSOR AND THAT AREA. I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE TO MAKE A COMPROMISE AND YOU START TALKING ABOUT THESE HEAVY SAND TRUCKS.

IT'S ONE THING, BUT FOR A COMPANY LIKE PINECREST THAT HAS INVESTED HERE, MYSELF GETTING BACK AND FORTH, I OWN TRACTOR AND TRAILERS, HAULING GRAIN. AM I GOING TO HAVE TO GO THREE MORE MILES OUT OF THE WAY TO GET BACK TO MY FARMING LOCATION? SO I'M

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QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? I LOVE QUESTIONS.

THANK Y'ALL. THANK YOU, SIR.

ANYBODY ELSE BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? FRANK URQUHART, BERLIN, IOWA DISTRICT, 38465, GENERAL HOME BOULEVARD. LISTENING TO EVERYBODY HERE, GIVING THEIR TESTIMONY AND THINGS, WE ARE BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT A PUBLIC SAFETY ITEM, CORRECT? AND IN THAT PUBLIC SAFETY ITEM, BASICALLY THE THING THAT WAS ALIGNED WAS THE CHOKE POINT ON THE BRIDGE. TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION... IF YOU DON'T MOVE ON ANYTHING, WHAT YOU SHOULD DO IS PUT SIGNAGE THERE ON THAT BRIDGE, SHOWING THAT IT'S NARROW AND ONLY ONE LANE TO PASS. THAT WILL HELP YOU OUT FIRST AND FOREMOST. SO ANYONE TRAVELING THAT ROAD, MEETING THE TRUCK, WILL KNOW THAT, HEY, THIS IS A CHOKE POINT AND BOTH OF US CAN'T GO ACROSS THIS BRIDGE.

BUT THERE'S NO SIGNAGE THERE.

EVERYBODY'S GOING TO COME UP.

HAD TO EXCUSE AFTER THE ACCIDENT. WELL, THERE WAS NOTHING THERE TELLING ME THIS BRIDGE WAS NARROW, EVEN THOUGH THEY SAW IT WAS NARROW, AND THEY WERE MEETING THIS BIG TRUCK. SO THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SUBMIT TO THE BOARD.

ANYBODY ELSE? CINDY EDWARDS, 30421 SYCAMORE AVENUE. IF YOU'LL RECALL, I BROUGHT THIS UP BACK IN 24.

AND THE ROAD DOES NEED TO BE CLOSED, OR EITHER VDOT NEEDS TO BE MADE TO FIX IT. THE ROAD IS WAY TOO NARROW FOR THE TRAFFIC. YOU NEED TO CHECK THE WEIGHT LIMIT ON THAT BRIDGE. I DARE SAY THAT 80,000 TRUCKLOAD IS SUPPOSED TO BE GOING ACROSS THAT BRIDGE. ALSO, THERE'S A BLIND SPOT IN THAT CURVE WHEN YOU LEAVE THE RESIDENCE OF 26609. IF YOU'RE PULLING OUT OF THERE DURING THE DAYLIGHT, AND I'VE DONE IT MYSELF, YOU NEED TO ROLL THE WINDOW DOWN AND LISTEN TO SEE IF ANYTHING'S COMING.

BECAUSE YOU CANNOT SEE IT. AND STUFF FLIES ON THAT ROAD, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER ROAD. SAFETY SHOULD COME FIRST. AND IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CLOSE THE ROAD, THEN YOU DEFINITELY NEED TO STRAIGHTEN THAT CURVE, REPLACE THAT BRIDGE. AND WHEN YOU PULL OUT ON WAKEFIELD ROAD, THAT'S A BLIND SPOT.

ANYBODY COMING AND GOING ON WAKEFIELD ROAD, IF A TRUCK IS PULLING OUT, IT'S GONNA CAUSE AN ACCIDENT.

IF YOU TRAVEL ON 55, WHICH IS WHAT SPEED LIMIT IS. IT'S JUST NOT SAFE. I MEAN, GOING THREE MORE MILES. IF YOUR BUSINESS CAN'T AFFORD TO GO THREE MORE MILES, THEN YOU DON'T NEED TO BE IN BUSINESS. THINGS CHANGE ALL THE TIME, YOU KNOW, AND PINECREST JUST WENT THERE, BUT THEY'RE FACING IVOR ROAD.

YOU CAN EASILY TURN OFF IVOR ROAD AND GO BACK DOWN PARK WHERE THOSE TRUCKS ARE, WITHOUT HAVING TO GO UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD. AND I'M KIND OF SURPRISED THAT THE OWNER OF PINECREST IS NOT HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE I FULLY BELIEVE HE WOULD SAY SAFETY FOR US HIMSELF, KNOWING HIM.

SO EITHER YOU NEED TO SHUT THE ROAD DOWN TO THROUGH TRAFFIC, OR YOU NEED TO MAKE VDOT, STRAIGHTEN THAT CURVE THERE AND REPLACE THAT BRIDGE. YOU KNOW, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT ALL DAY LONG, BUT WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT, SAFETY IN SOMEBODY'S LIFE? OR TAKING THAT SHORTCUT THROUGH THERE? THREE MORE MILES IS NOT GOING TO KILL ANYBODY.

THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? GOOD EVENING, MY NAME IS DAVID EDWARDS. I LIVE ON UNITY ROAD. MY ONLY QUESTION IS, AND I'M KIND OF LIKE GARY CROSS, I HATE TO SEE A ROAD CLOSED, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THIS MAP AND IT SAYS, GUY PLACE ROAD IS THE ALTERNATE, IF THAT'S RIGHT. WHAT ABOUT IF A TRACTOR AND TRAILER OR SOMETHING OR A DUMP TRUCK IS COMING DOWN WAKEFIELD ROAD? YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THEIR ALTERNATE ROUTE? THAT'D BE MY ONLY QUESTION.

YOU KNOW, IT'S NO, IF YOU'RE COMING FROM

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BUT IF YOU'RE COMING FROM WAKEFIELD ROAD, IT NEEDS TO BE SOME ALTERNATE PLAN THERE BEFORE YOU DECIDE TO DO THIS.

THAT'S THE ONLY THING I WANT TO SAY. ANYBODY ELSE? I THINK WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF DIFFERENT VIEWS TONIGHT ON THIS. IF NOBODY ELSE, THEN WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ROBERT WHITE, YOU'RE A TRUCKING EXPERT UP HERE. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING FROM YOU. HOW MANY ACCIDENTS HAS BEEN ON THAT ROAD RECENTLY? DOES ANYBODY KNOW? HAS IT BEEN ANY RECENTLY? YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, I TRUCKED ALL MY LIFE, SO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT...

REALLY, I GUESS I'M PROBABLY SLANTED ON THIS ISSUE A LITTLE BIT, BUT I DO KNOW. WE DEFINITELY NEED TO TAKE THE WAKEFIELD ROAD PIECE OUT OF THIS. IF YOU DO, DO PUT A NOTE THROUGH TRUCK, BECAUSE WAKEFIELD ROAD, A LOT OF TRUCKS TRAVELED AT FROM WAKEFIELD BACK TO CORTLAND, YOU KNOW, 35. THE TRINITY CHURCH ROAD, YEAH, I FEEL LIKE...

PINECREST COULD AVOID USING THAT. BUT ALSO, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO ENFORCE IT. IF WE PUT IN A HODGEPODGE OF NO-THROUGH TRUCK ROADS IN THE COUNTY, WHO'S GOING TO ENFORCE IT AND HOW A TRUCK'S GOING TO GET IT RAINED? SO I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO GET ON VDOT AND IMPROVE THAT ROAD.

THAT'S MY FEELING. HOW ABOUT A RESOLUTION AT OUR NEXT MEETING, ASKING VDOT, LISTING THE DEFICIENCIES THERE AND ASKING VDOT TO GET ON THAT AND FIX THE ROAD. THAT MAY HELP BOTH ASPECTS OF THIS. IF I MAY, IF YOU'RE HERE AS A REPRESENTATIVE IN SUPPORT OF NO.

THROUGH TRUCKS ON TRINITY CHURCH ROAD, IF YOU WOULD STAND UP FOR ME, PLEASE. I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND COMING OUT HERE TONIGHT AND SPEAKING YOUR MIND AS RESIDENTS OF THE COUNTY. AND THAT LITTLE CORRIDOR. I KNOW IT'S A BIG CONCERN, A SAFETY CONCERN FOR YOU HAVING TO TRAVERSE THAT STRETCH EVERY DAY WITH YOU AND YOUR FAMILY AND YOUR VEHICLES.

SO THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT AND VOICING YOUR CONCERNS WITH US. WE DID IT ON SHADY BROOK. WHY WOULDN'T WE DO IT HERE? WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? WELL, I'M WONDERING IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE WRONG STUDY. VDOT CARE TO COMMENT ON. IF WE GO WITH A STUDY ON NO. THROUGH TRUCK AND THE ROAD REALLY NEEDS WIDENING, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE REPLACING THAT BRIDGE. ARE WE WASTING TIME ON THIS STUDY AND THEN FIND OUT WE REALLY NEEDED ANOTHER STUDY? ARE THEY CAPABLE OF CONDUCTING A COMPREHENSIVE, ALL-INCLUSIVE ONE? THE OTHER THING IS THE PROPERTY ALONG THERE, IF THAT ROAD IS WIDENED, THE HOMEOWNERS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE UP SOME LAND TO HAVE IT WIDENED.

TO MAKE IT SAFE. IS VDOT, ANYBODY FROM VDOT HERE? I THINK WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT STUDY WE NEED, BASED ON WHAT I'VE HEARD TONIGHT.

MAYBE WE SHOULD REQUEST VDOT TO BE HERE AT THE NEXT MEETING AND GO THROUGH THIS PROBLEM. I'D LIKE TO, FROM THE, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED, WELL,

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TO ADD A ROAD WIDENING. OKAY.

WELL, THE STUDY'S GOT, I WISH VDOT WAS HERE. THE STUDY'S GOING TO TAKE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME TO ENACT THE NOTE, AND WE'RE NOT RIGHT. YEAH, THEY'LL HAVE TO. THEY'LL DO A STUDY ON IT, AND THEN THEY'LL COME BACK AND RECOMMEND IT TO THE BOARD. COME ON UP, AUBREY. THAT DOESN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM OF THE VOLUME OF TRUCKS ON THE ROAD. AND WE NEVER CONSIDERED... WIDENING SHADYBROOK IS A POSSIBLE SOLUTION TO THAT PROBLEM. WE JUST DIDN'T KNOW THROUGH TRUCKS. I DON'T SEE THE DIFFERENCE. THIS IS JUST AN OPINION. I'VE RAN A BUSINESS SINCE I WAS ABOUT 12 YEARS OLD, AND EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS. I THINK I'VE BEEN LISTENING.

AND, FIRST OF ALL, ANY LOGGING OPERATIONS IN THE AREA, YOUR FARMERS, PEOPLE THAT GOT TO GO ON THAT ROAD, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE ASKING.

WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS, IS THERE'S A COUPLE BUSINESSES AND, HEY, IT'S A BUSINESS. I RUN A GREAT, A BIG BUSINESS. AND OUT OF RESPECT, THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE DOING THIS COULD SAY, HEY, LOOK, I MEAN, I HATE TO SAY IT, THEY KNEW THIS WAS COMING. THE OWNER OF THE BIGGEST BUSINESS ON THE CORNER IS NOT EVEN HERE TO SAY OR ADVOCATE, OR WHATEVER HE WANTS TO SAY.

AND WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS, IF THIS WAS MY BUSINESS, I RUN A HUGE BUSINESS WITH ABOUT 60 TRUCKS ON THE ROAD EVERY DAY. AND IF MY NEIGHBOR CAME TO ME AND SAID, AUBREY, YOU CAN TAKE A LITTLE BIT, DETOUR AROUND, WELL, THAT THREE MILE THAT YOU MIGHT THINK YOU'RE SAVING IS GOING TO TURN INTO MILLIONS IN RESPECT.

OF YOUR COMMUNITY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS YOU GOT TO DO SOMETHING. EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT. HE MADE A POINT THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN AN ACCIDENT, BUT LET ME EXPLAIN SOMETHING TO YOU. IT DON'T TAKE BUT ONE ACCIDENT. YOU GO DEER HUNTING, YOU CAN'T PULL THE TRIGGER BACK. YOU GO, YOU PULL OUT IN FRONT OF SOMEBODY ON AN ACCIDENT, YOU KNOW. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS IS, LOOK, IT'S A LOT. TAKE IT ALL IN.

THINK ABOUT IT. FIGURE OUT WHATEVER YOUR STEPS ARE, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T... YOU CAN'T EVEN READ MY HANDWRITING, BUT I'VE BEEN PRETTY SUCCESSFUL. WHAT I'M SAYING IS JUST THINK ABOUT IT. IF I HAD TO GIVE UP LAND, I WOULDN'T CARE.

BUT EVERYBODY AIN'T GONNA AGREE TO THAT. YOU KNOW THAT, MR. HART. WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IF IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE, THAT BRIDGE... AIN'T RATED FOR NO LOG TRUCK TO GO ACROSS, PROBABLY EMPTY VERSUS IT IS LOADED. SO LET SOMEBODY GO ACROSS THAT BRIDGE AND THERE'S GOING TO BE A LAWSUIT ON THE COUNTY THAT Y'ALL DON'T WANT TO GET INTO. LET SOMEBODY LET THAT BRIDGE COLLAPSE OR WHATEVER ELSE. OR HEAD-ON COLLISION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. YOU DON'T WANT TO, YOU DON'T WANT TO TAKE THOSE CHANCES. IT'S A SMALL ROAD COMING FROM THE MAIN HIGHWAY 616 TO TRINITY CHURCH. NOW I CAN UNDERSTAND WAKEFIELD IS A LONG ROAD. I GET IT. THERE'S A LOT OF OPERATIONS, BUT IF YOU SPECIFY, YOU USE IT DURING AN OPERATION AND YOU ENFORCE IT, IT WILL WORK. AND I THINK IT WILL WORK WITH A LOT. IT COULD BE A VERY EASILY DONE VERSUS TRYING TO MAKE THIS HUGE ORDEAL, SPEND ALL THIS MONEY, STUDIES, THIS, THAT. I MEAN, IT'S JUST, I'M A BUSINESSMAN. I'VE BEEN BUSINESS MAN MY WHOLE LIFE AND THIS IT'S ALWAYS, JUST LIKE THE MAN SAID UP HERE EARLIER, EVERYBODY'S TRYING, THE GOVERNMENT'S TRYING TO FORCE THIS ON YOU, FORCE THIS ON YOU. IT'S ALWAYS

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YOU TALK ABOUT IT NOW, YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO FIX A BRIDGE? IT AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN. ALL RIGHT, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, SIR. THANK YOU, SIR. PUBLIC HEARING IS OVER. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS? I MOVE WE ADOPT THE ATTACHED RESOLUTION AS AMENDED BY ROBERT BY MAROON WAYFIELD ROAD. NO QUESTION.

OKAY. NOW, IF WE HAVE TRUCKS NOT GO DOWN THIS ROAD, THEY'RE GOING DOWN ANOTHER COUNTRY ROAD. AND SO, AS FAR AS GAP PLACE ROAD AND IVOR ROAD, I'M NOT THAT FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA. WHAT IS THE ADVANTAGE OF GOING GUY PLACE ROAD AND NIVOR ROAD OVER TRINITY CHURCH ROAD? I UNDERSTAND THE BRIDGE, AND THAT'S A BIG, BIG ISSUE FOR ME, OKAY? BUT EXCEPT FOR THE BRIDGE, ARE THERE OTHER SITUATIONS THAT EXIST ON TRINITY ROAD, THAT WOULDN'T EXIST ON THE OTHER ROAD. IS GUY PLACE ROAD, DOES THAT HAVE ANY RESIDENTS ON IT? YEAH.

IVOR ROAD? 35? 35? YEAH, BUT I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE.

THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

AND LET SOMEBODY UP HERE ASK YOU A QUESTION. I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO COME UP HERE TO THE PODIUM. DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR? DID YOU MAKE A MOTION? YES, SIR. WOULD YOU GO THROUGH THAT MOTION AGAIN? YEAH, I MOVED. WE ADOPT THE ATTACHED RESOLUTION AS AMENDED, PER ROBERT'S SUGGESTION, TO REMOVE WAKEFIELD ROAD FROM THE INCLUSION SO THAT THEY CAN RUN WAKEFIELD ROAD ALL THE WAY OUT TO 35. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? I'LL SECOND IT.

WE HAVE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION. EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THE MOTION? I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND. I STILL DON'T KNOW ALL THE ADVANTAGES OF CLOSING THE ROAD, EXCEPT FOR THE BRIDGE. IT KEEPS THEM ON MORE MAIN ROADS. I WILL ROAD IN 35 AND WAKEFIELD ROAD ARE WIDER, DIVIDED WITH LINES ROADS. ARE THERE FEWER HOUSES ON THE ROADS? I CAN'T SAY THAT.

THE ROADS ARE BETTER. THE ROADS ARE BETTER. CHRIS, COULD YOU GO THROUGH THE MOTION AGAIN? SO WE ALL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? I WILL DO MY BEST, SIR. I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT THE ATTACHED RESOLUTION REQUESTING THE COMMONWEALTH TRANSPORTATION BOARD TO RESTRICT THROUGH TRAFFIC ON TRINITY CHURCH ROAD, WITH THE ALTERNATE ROUTE FOR THROUGH TRUCKS BEING IVOR ROAD. I'M AMENDING THE ATTACHED RECOMMENDATION, AS ROBERT SUGGESTED, TO REMOVE THE WAKEFIELD ROAD PORTION. AND YOU ARE EXCLUDING THE WAKEFIELD ROAD PORTION. RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT. AND THAT WAS SECONDED BY SUPERVISOR GILLETTE, I BELIEVE. IS THAT RIGHT? YES.

OKAY. SO, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION SAY, AYE. AYE.

OPPOSED, NO. NO. ANYBODY OPPOSE THAT? NO. YOU DID. OKAY, IT'S FOUR AYES AND ONE OPPOSED. ALL RIGHT, WE'LL GO WITH THAT MOTION. I HAVE ONE COMMENT, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY. I WISH ALL OF YOU HAD COME TO THE FIRST MEETING. NOBODY CAME, BUT CYNTHIA. THAT'S ALL I'LL SAY. NEXT TIME SOMETHING LIKE THIS COMES UP... IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE PROPER REPRESENTATION TO HELP THIS BOARD MAKE A DECISION. I WISH THERE HAD BEEN A REPRESENTATIVE FROM PINECREST HERE TO SPEAK THE MATTER MORE CLEARLY. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. WHENEVER WE HAVE A VDOT DECISION LIKE THIS, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE HERE.

GOOD IDEA. OKAY, ANYTHING ELSE? SURVEYS ARE UP. ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO NUMBER 12, PUBLIC HEARING, NO WAKE ZONE, REQUESTED BY CRAIG VAN HOLTEN. WE'VE DONE THESE THINGS A NUMBER OF TIMES ON THE RIVER. USUALLY IT'S IN THE INTEREST OF SAFETY OR EROSION PROBLEMS,

[12. Public Hearing- No Wake Zone- Request by Craig Van Holten]

OPEN THIS PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS, AND I BELIEVE THE GENTLEMAN'S COMING UP TO

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IT'S THERE ON THE WHERE THE RIVER MAKES A HORSESHOE IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE, IT'S BLIND COMING AROUND THE HORSESHOE THERE.

THE KAYAKERS THAT ARE KAYAKING.

LAST SUMMER, THE KIDS WERE SWIMMING OFF PONTOON BOAT AND EVERYTHING.

AND WE'VE GOT BOATS COMING AT A HIGH RATE OF SPEED AROUND THAT CURVE. WE ALSO WANT TO PUT IN A FLOATING DOCK THERE. JUST WANT TO GET THEM SLOWED DOWN IN THE CURVE AS A SAFETY ISSUE, MAINLY THERE AND THE EROSION THAT'S HAPPENING THERE TO THE BANK. ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ISSUE. ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK CONCERNING THIS ISSUE? I WILL SAY THAT I TALKED WITH JEFF TURNER, THE RIVER KEEPER, YESTERDAY. HE PROBABLY KNOWS MORE ABOUT THE RIVER THAN ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM. HE FELT IT WAS A VERY GOOD IDEA FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT. HE SAW A LOT OF FISHERMEN CONGREGATED THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RIVER, PARTICULARLY WHEN THE WHITE PERCH WERE RUNNING. SO WE HAVE HIS APPROVAL OF THIS. ANYBODY ELSE? HE'S THE RESTROOM. I'LL PROVE IT. FRANK BURKHARDT AGAIN. ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST, AND I HAVE SUGGESTED BEFORE, BEING THAT THERE ARE PICTURES INSIDE THE PACKETS, AND ALSO WE HAVE A COUNTY GIS SYSTEM, AND YOU HAVE THAT NICE 65-INCH SCREEN BACK THERE. IN A LOT OF THESE DISCUSSIONS, IF YOU WOULD JUST PULL UP ON THAT SCREEN, THE ITEM THAT'S BEING DISCUSSED. IT WOULD GIVE MORE CLARITY TO EVERYONE. EVEN BACK TO YOU ONE DAY WITH YOUR TRINITY CHURCH ROAD, YOU GOT TO SEE THE DIFFERENT INTERSECTIONS AND HOW THE TRUCK SAID, USING THE BYPASS OF TRINITY CHURCH, THE DIFFERENCE IN COMING DOWN 35, WHICH IS THE MAJOR ISSUE THAT WAS THERE. SO I WOULD BEG THAT YOU ALL START USING THE TOOLS THAT YOU HAVE AT HAND. ALL RIGHT, ANYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT, NOBODY ELSE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ISSUE. I MIGHT SAY THAT THE APPLICANT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING FOR ALL THE HARDWARE, ETC., AND MAINTENANCE. SO THE COUNTY IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY OF THE EXPENSES, INSTALLING OR REPAIRING IT, OR WHATEVER HAPPENS. ALL RIGHT, ANY DISCUSSION? I MOVE. WE PROCEED WITH THE ADOPTION OF THE TAX ORDINANCES PRESENTED.

WE'LL WAIT UNTIL ROBERT GETS BACK. WAIT UNTIL ROBERT GETS BACK. THAT'S HIS TERRITORY, ISN'T IT? I'LL STILL MAKE THE MOTION. I'M GOING TO PUT ROBERT ON A COUPLE COMMITTEES UNTIL HE COMES BACK. ROBERT, THE BUOY IS IN YOUR COURT, SIR. I'LL MAKE A MOTION, WE APPROVE IT. IT SOUNDED LIKE A SECOND TO ME. YEAH. IS THERE A SECOND? HE WAS THE SECOND. HE WAS MADE THE MOTION.

OKAY, I'LL SECOND. OKAY.

OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY, AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY, YOU HAVE YOUR NO-WAKE BUOY. ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON TO 13 AND 14.

BASICALLY, THESE CAME UP TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OCTOBER OF 24, 16 MONTHS AGO,

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TONIGHT WE HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS, AND I THINK SOME OF THE QUESTIONS MAY BE WHETHER THE LEGALITY OF BRINGING THESE TWO THINGS IN TONIGHT OR NOT. SO I'M GOING TO HAVE OUR ATTORNEY TO ADDRESS THAT IF THEY WOULD. I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT IF I CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. FIRST OF ALL, THESE ARE TWO SEPARATE CASES.

THEY ARE RELATED, BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU TREAT THEM SEPARATELY. THEY'RE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS.

THEY WERE RECOMMENDED, BOTH OF THEM WERE RECOMMENDED TO DENY BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION BACK IN OCTOBER OF 2024. THERE ARE CERTAIN TIME LIMITATIONS FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF ZONING CASES THAT COME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. I HAVE REVIEWED THE CODE OF VIRGINIA AND THE APPLICABLE PROVISIONS. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THEY AFFECT THE POSITION OF EITHER, OF THE POSTURE OF EITHER OF THESE CASES. I BELIEVE YOU CAN, WITH THE FACTS BEFORE ME, I BELIEVE YOU CAN PROCEED WITH CONSIDERATION OF THESE CASES. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU PROCEED WITH CONSIDERATION SEPARATELY.

SO IT'S OKAY TO GO WITH THEM TONIGHT? YES, SIR.

OKAY. GOT THAT OUT OF THE WAY. ALL RIGHT, THE

[13. Public Hearing- Comprehensive Plan Map Amendment- Request by Troy Brinkle]

AND I ALSO WANTED TO DO SOME, AND AGAIN, IT'S TO GO FROM.

THEY WANT TO DO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AT THIS POINT. THAT'S ALL THEY'RE ASKING FOR. AND I ALSO WANTED TO FURTHER CLARIFY THAT THEY NEED TO, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY KNOW, OR THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION INCLUDED PARCELS FOR GEORGE MILLER, AND THAT IS TOTALLY SEPARATE. THAT IS BEING WITHDRAWN FROM. THIS APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE ONLY 484 ACRES FOR HIS REQUEST. AND THAT'S ALL. HE SAYS HE'S GOING FROM A1. I'M SORRY. THE COMPREHENSIVE REQUEST IS TO GO FROM A1 TO R1. AND ALSO, AND THAT'S TO CREATE THE...

SINGLE-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, ULTIMATELY, BUT THAT IS THE KIND OF THE HOUSEKEEPING I WANTED TO PRESENT TO YOU TONIGHT ON THIS APPLICATION. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. PRINCE? I THANK YOU, SIR. IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE HEARING ON THIS. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. MY NAME IS LISA DAUGHTRY BRINKLEY. I CURRENTLY RESIDE AT 1406 SWEETBRIAR AVENUE IN NORFOLK, VIRGINIA. I AM A MEMBER OF THE FAMILY THAT OWNS THE LAND IN THE SOUTHEAST BOATING DISTRICT AND BLACKWATER BOATING DISTRICT, COMMONLY KNOWN AS THE HOMESTEAD DAIRY TRACT. 1. THIS FARM HAS BEEN IN OUR FAMILY SINCE 1947. MY SISTER AND I BECAME OWNERS UPON THE DEATH OF WILLIAM BRADSHAW'S DAUGHTER, OUR MOTHER, BRENDA DAUGHTRY. I LIVED ON THE FARM THROUGH MY YOUTH AND UP UNTIL I GRADUATED FROM FRANKLIN HIGH SCHOOL IN 1984.

OUR FAMILY IS REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT FOR THIS PROPERTY. AS A LANDOWNER, I FEEL THIS REQUEST ALIGNS WITH THE CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADOPTED BY THE BOARD IN APRIL OF 2024. THE LAND ADJACENT ALREADY HAS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ZONING, ABUTTING NEARLY 300 R1 LOTS, AND ANOTHER 11 ACRE PARCEL IN OUR OWNERSHIP CURRENTLY THAT IS ALREADY ZONED R1. THAT IS,

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APPROVING THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLANNED AMENDMENT SUPPORTS THE COUNTY'S LONG-TERM PLANNING OBJECTIVE AND FITS WITH ITS VISION OF COMPATIBLE LAND USE. I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IF YOU WOULD VOTE YES TO THIS REQUEST OF OUR FAMILY FOR AN AMENDMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I ALSO HAVE OTHERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? NICE SHOT.

GOOD EVENING MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

MY NAME IS TROY BRINKLEY. I LIVE AT 1406 WEBER AVENUE, NORFOLK, VIRGINIA. AND ON BEHALF OF MY FAMILY MEMBERS ON THE HOMESTEAD DAIRY TRACK, AND I'LL ALSO BE SPEAKING FOR MIKE SMITH TONIGHT OF HOLLAND NURSERY. WE'RE REQUESTING THE CHANGE TO THE CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO ALLOW R1 RESIDENTIAL, WHICH WOULD BE 30,000 SQUARE FOOT. LOTS ON SEPTIC. AND WELL ON ALL THE LAND OWNED BY OUR FAMILY, WHICH IS 464 ACRES. AND WITH MIKE SMITH, IT ADDS ANOTHER 109 ACRES. BOTH FARMS HAVE VERY SANDY SOILS, MEASURED WITH BORINGS FROM 13 FEET TO 25 FEET. THE PRETLOW INTERCHANGE WAS BUILT USING SAND FROM THE HOMESTEAD DAIRY FARM, WHICH IS IDEAL FOR ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION AS WELL AS MASONRY AND CONCRETE PRODUCTION. THE HOMESTEAD DAIRY FARM WAS ONCE OVER A THOUSAND ACRES AND SPECIALIZED IN MILK AND MILK PRODUCTS UNTIL THE DEATH OF WILLIAM BRADSHAW IN THE 1970S. AMARAL BRADSHAW AND HER DAUGHTERS, BRENDA DAUGHTRY, MILLIE BRADSHAW HOSKUS. AND CHERRY BROWN. WE CONTINUED WITH THE FARM OPERATIONS TO HELP OF ONE OF THE DAUGHTER'S HUSBANDS, WHO CEASED DAIRY OPERATIONS BUT CONTINUED TO RAISE CATTLE, HOGS, AND PLANTED LIMITED CROPS ON THE REMAINDER OF THE SANDY PASTURE LAND. THE FAMILY SOLD OFF PORTIONS OF THE FARM. CURRENTLY, ED AND GEORGE MILLER ARE FARMING.

BOTH MIKE SMITH'S 109 ACRES ON OUR FAMILY FARM. WHICH HAS 220 ACRES IN CULTIVATION OUT OF THE 464 ACRES TOTAL. THE LAND IS VERY LIMITED IN CROPS THAT CAN BE GROWN DUE TO THE VERY SANDY SOILS THROUGHOUT THE FARMS. THE FAMILY WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER OTHER BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES, SUCH AS DEVELOPING PORTION OF THE PROPERTY FOR RESIDENTIAL HOMES. THE SANDY SOIL MAKES IT WELL SUITED FOR SEPTIC TANKS. AND WELL WATER SERVING BOTH FARMS, WHICH IS PART OF THE VIRGINIA GROUNDWATER ARTESIAN WELL.

BUT IT IS NOT CONNECTED TO THE AQUIFER SUPPLYING INTERNATIONAL PAPER, SEVERAL MILES TO THE NORTH. OUR PROPERTIES ARE SURROUNDED BY OVER 271 R1 RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND ADDITIONAL 30 LOTS THAT ARE IN AG, BRINGING THE TOTAL TO OVER 300 RESIDENTIAL LOTS. THAT SURROUND OUR FARM FRONTAGE ON PRETLOW, SOUTH QUAY ROAD, THAT PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTIES.

FOR THIS REASON, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A VERY COMPATIBLE LAND USE WITH ALL THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL HOMES THAT DIRECTLY ADJOIN OUR FARM.

OUR FARM IN HOLLAND-NURSHAN HAD LIMITED PRODUCTION VALUE FOR AGRICULTURE FOR THE LANDOWNERS, AND THE MILLERS HAD LIMITED CHOICES.

FOR CROPS DUE TO THE HIGH SAND CONTENT OF THE LAND. THE FARM RENT BARELY PAYS THE TAXES AND INSURANCE, AND WE WOULD ALL LIKE TO HAVE THE OPTION TO USE THE PROPERTY FOR RESIDENTIAL USE. THAT STILL COMPLEMENT THE SURROUNDING FARM USES AND PLANS FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL GROWTH AND OTHER IMMEDIATE TRACKS. WE BELIEVE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY OFFERS CONVENIENT ACCESS TO ROBUST ROADWAYS AND ALL THE LOCATIONS BEING SHOWN IN THIS RECORDING.

FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. THERE ARE EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES LOCALLY, AND IF ANY NEW BUSINESSES LOOK TO RELOCATE TO SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, THEY WILL WANT TO KNOW THAT. THERE ARE OPTIONS

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SCHOOLS SERVING THESE PARCELS.

THE IMMEDIATE AREA PROVIDES SUPPORT SERVICES SUCH AS GROCERY STORES, FUEL, RESTAURANT, BANKS, AND OTHER AMENITIES. RESIDENTS NEED DAILY SUPPORT, THEIR HOMES AND FAMILIES. WE ALSO BELIEVE IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE TO CLUSTER THE HOUSING CHOICES AND NEIGHBORHOODS CLOSE TO EACH OTHER, RATHER THAN SUBURBAN SPRAWL.

WITH POCKETS SPREAD IN SMALL AREAS ACROSS SOUTH COUNTY. SO WE'RE ASKING YOU TO STRONGLY CONSIDER OUR REQUEST TO CHANGE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I DO HAVE MY ENGINEER HERE WITH ME TONIGHT, MR. LARRY BERRY, WHO CAN ANSWER ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS THAT ANY OF YOU MIGHT HAVE WITH REGARD TO THE LAND, THE DRAINAGE, ANYTHING. THAT'S WHY WE BROUGHT HIM HERE, SO HE'S HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? OUT OF THAT ACREAGE, HOW MUCH OF IT'S WETLANDS? 100 ACRES.

ANYBODY ELSE? JACK CLAUDE, 18059, IVOR ROAD. I THINK EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS I'M PRO-DEVELOPMENT.

IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I'M SUPER PRO-DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S SANDY SOIL. IT'S NOT SUITABLE OR NOT WELL-SUITED FOR FARMING. BUT IT'S RIGHT UP AGAINST THE SUFFOLK, GREENVILLE, OR ILLOWAY COUNTY LINE. FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT, SO LET'S SAY IN 10 YEARS FROM NOW, ONCE WE'VE GOT 150, 200 HOUSES HERE, EVERY ONE OF THOSE HOUSES WILL BE ABLE TO GET ON 58 AND GET TO GREENBRIER IN LESS THAN AN HOUR. I COMMUTE OVER AN HOUR EVERY DAY. IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. I'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR 30 YEARS. I THINK THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. LET'S GET SOME MORE TAX MONEY INTO THE COUNTY. THANK YOU. PAUL YOKER. I LIVE IN COMO, NORTH CAROLINA, BUT I AM A LANDOWNER ON DELAWARE ROAD. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. I'D LIKE TO EXPRESS MY OPPOSITION TO THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAP AMENDMENT PROPOSED BY MR. TROY BLINKY AND THE HOLLAND NURSERY. SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY IS STEEPED IN RICH AGRICULTURAL AND FORESTRY HERITAGE. THE LAND THAT HAS SHAPED THIS COUNTRY IS IRREPLACEABLE. WHAT WE HAVE HERE... IT'S ALL WELL, AND WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS ALL WE WILL EVER HAVE, AND NO ONE CAN CREATE ANY MORE OF IT. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS ALREADY HAD BEEN ESTABLISHED AND IT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN UNDERMINED IN THIS WAY. THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT WOULD AFFECT ROUGHLY 600 ACRES OF FARMLAND BETWEEN MR. BRINKLEY'S AND THE HOLLAND NURSERY, POTENTIALLY ADDING 600 NEW HOMES ON ONE ACRE PLOTS. OR UP TO 01,200 HOMES AT HALF ACRE PLOTS, WITH THE AVERAGE OF THREE PEOPLE PER HOUSEHOLD IN THE COUNTY NOW. THIS COULD RESULT AS AN INFLUX TO 1,800 TO 1,300 OR 3,600 NEW RESIDENTS. WE'RE ALREADY SEEING THE IMPACT OF SUCH GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT LIKE RYAN HOMES IN THE CITY OF FRANKLIN. HOWEVER, THE ONLY BENEFICIARIES OF THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE THE DEVELOPERS, WHO STAND TO PROFIT FROM THE HOMES PRICED AT $400,000. OR MORE FOR EACH HOUSE. ACCORDING TO THE LATEST CONSENSUS DATA, THE AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD INCOME IN THIS COUNTY IS BETWEEN $68,000 AND $80,000 ANNUALLY.

THE COUNTY'S INFRASTRUCTURE CANNOT SUPPORT THIS SCALE OF GROWTH. WE CURRENTLY HAVE ONE MAJOR GROCERY STORE IN CORTLAND, AND THE COUNTY RESIDENTS ALSO RELY ON FRANKLIN FOR ACCESS TO WALMART AND THE FOOD LINE ON ARMORY DRIVE, JUST THREE GROCERY STORES IN TOTAL IN THE COUNTY. ADDING ANOTHER 01,800 TO 3,600 PEOPLE WILL ONLY STRAIN THESE RESOURCES FURTHER.

ADDITIONALLY, CAN OUR EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE, SUCH AS THE ELECTRICAL POWER, SUSTAIN SUCH EXPANSION? OUR

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MOREOVER, THE COUNTY DOES NOT NEED OUTSIDE DEVELOPERS BRINGING IN EXTERNAL WORKFORCE AND TRANSFORM OUR RURAL LANDSCAPE INTO SOMETHING MORE THAN SUBURBAN. OUR COUNTY IS A PLACE FOR COUNTRY LIVING, AND WE SHOULD NOT ALLOW IT TO BECOME MORE SUBURBAN SPRAWL, LIKE WE'RE WITNESSING ALREADY IN SUFFOLK. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.

GOOD EVENING, MY NAME IS WARREN SIMMONS AND I LIVE AT 27511 SOUTH HAMPTON PARKWAY. I HAVE KNOWN THE APPLICANTS FOR THIS PROJECT FOR PRETTY MUCH ALL MY GROWN LIFE. MRS. BRINKLEY HAPPENS TO BE MY WIFE'S FIRST COUSIN, SO I HAVE KNOWN THEM. THEY'RE A VERY FINE FAMILY AND HAVE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN LIFE. THEY LOVE THIS AREA JUST LIKE WE DO. AND THEY'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING GOOD FOR THE COUNTY. WHEN I WAS BORN IN 1951, THERE WERE MORE PEOPLE LIVING IN THIS COUNTY THEN THAN THERE ARE NOW. THERE WAS MORE INDUSTRY HERE THAN THERE IS NOW, AND MORE BUSINESSES HERE THAN THERE IS NOW. SO WE HAVE ROOM TO GROW A LITTLE BIT. YOU CAN GO TO HARRISONBURY, WHERE DR. EDWARDS IS FROM. THAT'S AN AGRICULTURAL COUNTY. BUT LOOK AT ALL THE BUSINESS AND ALL THE PEOPLE THEY HAVE, AND THEY STILL HAVE PLENTY OF FUNDS. IF YOU LOOK AT ISLE OF WIGHT, AT CARROLLTON, IF YOU LOOK AT SUFFOLK, IF YOU LOOK AT FRANKLIN, LIKE THE MAN JUST SAID, APARTMENTS ARE COMING UP EVERYWHERE. AND THOSE PEOPLE ARE COMING OUR WAY, WHETHER WE WANT THEM TO OR NOT. IT'S A MATTER OF DO WE PLAN FOR THEM AND DO WE USE THEM THE WAY WE WANT THEM, INSTEAD OF HOW SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS THEM. DO WE WANT THEM IN AN APARTMENT SIDE BY SIDE, BY SIDE BY SIDE, WHERE YOU'VE GOT A THOUSAND PEOPLE IN A HUNDRED ACRES? OR DO YOU WANT TO SPREAD THEM OUT ON A ONE ACRE LOT? WITH A NICE HOME, A COUPLE OF GOOD CARS AND THEY'RE PAYING, I KNOW, FIVE PLUS THOUSAND DOLLARS IN TAXES A YEAR. OR DO YOU WANT A WHOLE BUNCH OF THEM ALL PUT TOGETHER? I THINK THIS IS A VERY GOOD IDEA. IT'S A VERY GOOD AGREE. I KNOW IT'S NOT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN NOW. WE WANTED TO PUT OUR PEOPLE NEAR OUR PRESENT-DAY TOWNS.

BUT IF YOU LOOKED AT OUR PRESENT-DAY TOWNS, VERY FEW PEOPLE TAKE CARE OF THEIR PROPERTY LIKE THEY DID A FEW YEARS AGO.

AND THEY'RE NOT ATTRACTIVE OR APPEALING TO ANYBODY. SO A NEW COMMUNITY IS GOING TO BE MORE APPEALING BECAUSE THE PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO NECESSARILY BE PEOPLE FROM THIS COUNTY. OUR YOUNG PEOPLE... ARE LEAVING THIS COUNTY FOR JOBS. AND THEY'RE VERY SUCCESSFUL IN OTHER AREAS. AND WE NEED SOME NICE PLACES FOR THEM, BUT WE'RE ALSO GOING TO GET SOME PEOPLE TO COME IN. SO, A PERSON WHO LIVES ON A ONE-ACRE LOT THAT HAS ROOM FOR THEIR CHILDREN, ROOM TO HAVE A PICNIC OR FAMILY GATHERING, IS GOING TO BE MORE LIKE US THAN SOMEBODY WHO COMES AND LIVES IN A LITTLE TOWNHOUSE WITH THREE MORE ON EACH SIDE.

AND A DOZEN ALL AROUND THEM, LIKE, IT'S GOING UP IN FRANKLIN. THEY'RE GOING TO BE MORE LIKE US. THEY'RE GOING TO BE MORE AGREEABLE FOR A TRACTOR GOING DOWN THE ROAD AT 20 MILES AN HOUR THAN SOME OTHER PEOPLE WILL BE. SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING. TROY HAS BEEN IN THE REAL ESTATE AND DEVELOPMENT BUSINESS, AND I KNOW HE'S DONE SOME FINE PROJECTS, AND I JUST KNOW HE'S GOING TO TURN OUT. A NICE AREA THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE PROUD OF, AND PEOPLE WILL BE PROUD, WHETHER THEY'RE FROM HERE THAT NEED A NICE PLACE TO LIVE OR FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE. BECAUSE, LIKE WE SAID, WE ARE BECOMING A WE CALL IT A COMMUNITY WHERE PEOPLE LIVE. BUT THEY DON'T WORK HERE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF JOBS. IF YOU DON'T THINK SO, JUST GO TO PROCTOR'S BRIDGE ROAD ON AN AFTERNOON ABOUT FIVE O'CLOCK. AND YOU SAY, WHERE IN THE WORLD ARE ALL THESE CARS COMING FROM? WHERE ARE THEY GOING? THEY'RE COMING FROM NEWPORT NEWS IN HAMPTON BACK TO SOUTH HAMPTON COUNTY, BECAUSE ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY,

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THEY'RE NOT WORKING IN IVO. SO THAT'S WHAT'S COMING AT US.

AND WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO ASSIMILATE SOME OF THESE PEOPLE IN THAT WILL ADJUST. EASILY TO OUR LIFESTYLE AND US TO THEIRS, VERSUS TRULY CITY PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT TO BE COUNTRY PEOPLE. AND I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A GOOD PLACE FOR IT TO BE. AND IF THEY WANT TO WORK HERE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITIES.

BECAUSE ONE REASON, WE CAN'T GET BUSINESSES, WE CAN'T GET ANOTHER GROCERY STORE IN OFFICE. BECAUSE THEY LOOK AND THEY SAY, YOU'VE GOT 18,000 PEOPLE. IF THEY ALL LIVED IN CORTLAND, WE COULD GET IT. BUT THEY LIVE OVER 600 SQUARE MILES. SO THEY SAY, THERE'S NO FUTURE WITH THAT.

SO WE NEED A FEW MORE PEOPLE TO GET A FEW MORE BUSINESSES, TO HAVE MORE TAX REVENUE. SO OUR PEOPLE DON'T GET TAXED SO MUCH BECAUSE OUR TAX RATE IS HIGH COMPARED TO OTHER AREAS.

AND I JUST THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A GOOD THING, AND I SUPPORT IT, AND I SUPPORT THE BRINKLEY'S AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? EXCUSE ME, MY NAME IS LAWRENCE BROWN AND I'D LIKE TO JUST SAY TWO LITTLE THINGS BEFORE I GET INTO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. I DIDN'T GET NOTICE THAT THIS MEETING WAS GOING TO BE HERE TILL SIX DAYS BEFORE. AND MY CHILDREN, WHO OWN MORE OF THE LAND IN QUESTION, NEVER GOT NOTIFIED. I ALSO LIKE TO SAY THERE THAT I HAD A WONDERFUL SITUATION HERE FOR OVER 60 YEARS. I TREATED PEOPLE THE WAY THAT I WANTED THEM TO TREAT ME. DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU DO UNTO THEM. WHEN I CAME HERE, I IMMEDIATELY HAD A WONDERFUL RAPPORT WITH MR. AND MRS. BRADSHAW, AND THAT DEVELOPED AND DEVELOPED. ONCE, MR. BRADSHAW PASSED AWAY, MRS. BRADSHAW, I DID SO MANY THINGS FOR HER. WELL, EVEN CHERRY OVER THERE, I GAVE HER HOGS, GROTTAS, SWEET CORN GROTTAS, BROUGHT HER FIREWOOD. AND THE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT I WANTED TO BUY WAS INITIALLY IN THIS BLOCK OF LAND THAT'S GOING TO BE HOPEFULLY DEVELOPED.

BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW TROY BRINKLEY COULD GO AHEAD AND...

TAKE SOME TIMBERLAND AND SUBSTITUTE IT IN PLACE OF THAT. SO HE'D HAVE ANOTHER 42 ACRES OF LAND FOR HOUSES.

AS FAR AS THE QUALITY OF THE LAND, I HAVE BEEN OVER THAT HUNDREDS OF TIMES.

THERE'S THOUSANDS OF FEET OF DRAIN TILE IN THERE, WHICH WOULD MAKE SEPTIC TANKS VERY UNUSUAL. TO GIVE AN IDEA, I'VE DEVOTED MY LIFE TO THAT.

THIS IS BRADSHAW. AND THEM AND HER HUSBAND STOLE THESE PEOPLE AND OTHER PEOPLE. I WAS THE SON THAT SHE AND HER HUSBAND NEVER HAD, AND I WAS IN HER WILL, AND THEY TRIED TO HIDE THE WILL. I HAD TO GO THROUGH AND GET QUALIFIED WHEN THEY WOULDN'T GIVE ME, AND THEN WHEN I DID HAVE IT, THEY DENIED IT. SO I'VE PROBABLY INVESTED IN THAT FARM, CLOSE TO THREE.

QUARTERS OF A MILLION DOLLARS. I TOOK ALL OF THE PROFIT FROM THAT LAND, HOPING TO BUY IT ONE TIME, AND BUILT GRAIN BINS FOR $80,000, PROBABLY 50,000 GRAIN FEET OF GRAIN TILE, WHICH IS NOT GOING TO ALLOW ANY HOUSE TO BE BUILT.

TO GET A SEPTIC TANK THERE, WITH 25, WITH 100-FOOT LEADS FROM IT, AND IN THE GROUND, SOMEONE'S GOING TO GO AHEAD AND... AND HAVE A HOUSE THERE AND HAVE A SWIMMING POOL IN THEIR LIVING ROOM.

THESE SEPTIC TANKS GO IN THE GROUND. I MEAN, AND THIS COULD BE A POTENTIAL PROBLEM FOR THE COUNTY IF SOMEONE BUILDS A HOUSE OVER A SEPTIC TANK LINE.

WELL, WHO'S GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? THE MAN THAT BOUGHT THE LAND, OR THE MAN THAT ASSUMED THAT IT WAS OKAY? AND I HAVE TRIED TO WORK WITH THESE PEOPLE. I HAVE BEEN BEGGED BY MY EX-MOTHER-IN-LAW TO TAKE MONEY,

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THESE PEOPLE HERE, THROUGH THEIR HUSBAND AND STUFF, HAVE TAKEN $100,000 IN ASSETS FROM THE ESTATE. I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT WASN'T MY LAND, AND IF THERE'S ANY DOUBT ABOUT WHAT I HAVE SAID, SAID, I HAVE 40 YEARS OF DOCUMENTS BACKING UP WHAT I SAY, AND PEOPLE KNOW ME FOR THE PERSON I AM. I BELIEVE THAT KARMA WILL GO ROUND AND COME ROUND. IT ALREADY HAS ON THESE PEOPLE. FIVE OF THE SIX MAIN PRINCIPLES ARE ALREADY PASSED AWAY, AND ALL I WANTED WAS A FRACTION OF THE INVESTMENT THAT I PUT IN THERE, AND I'VE BEEN DENIED THAT. AND I WOULD BE GLAD TO SHOW ALL OF THE LEGAL CORRESPONDENCE THAT I'VE HAD WITH MRS. BRADSHAW, GETTING QUALIFIED AS THE ADMINISTRATOR OF THE ESTATE. I HAD WITNESSES THAT SAW ALL THE DRAIN TILE GOING DOWN. THE LAND MUST NOT BE THAT BAD AS THESE PEOPLE PORTRAY IT, BECAUSE ALL THE CHICKEN MANURE AND DRAIN TILE I PUT IN IT, IT'S RENTING NOW FOR $65. $75 AN ACRE. WHEN I TOOK IT OVER, IT WAS GETTING $85 AN ACRE. SO IT CAN'T BE AS TERRIBLE AS THESE PEOPLE ARE PORTRAYING IT OUT. AND IF IT EVER WAS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED, AND THERE WERE SO MANY STUMPS AND PASTURES, AND TWO OF THE PEOPLE HERE CAN SEE IT, WHEN THEY STARTED PLOWING THE LAND, THEY HAD TO GO BACK TO THE SHELTER AND GET MORE SHEAR BOLTS BECAUSE IT KEPT BREAKING THE PLOW. I CLEARED UP A HUNDRED ACRES OF PASTURE LAND, SWILLED UP SWIMMING POOLS, AND I PUT MY HEART AND SOUL IN THAT. AND EXCUSE MY FRENCH, GARY SAYS, WHAT HAVE I GOT FOR THAT? BUT NOT A GODDAMN PENNY? AND I'LL SHOW ANY OF MY RECORDS THAT WANTS TO DISPUTE IT. ALL RIGHT, ANYBODY ELSE? GOOD EVENING, I'M LARRY BERRY. I'M A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER. I'VE BEEN DOING THIS A FEW YEARS LONGER THAN YOUR ESTEEMED PLANNING COMMISSIONER. I'M GLAD TO BE HERE TONIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN AND BOARD. AS MR. BRINKLEY HAD MENTIONED, I WOULD COME UP AND TRY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. BUT THERE'S BEEN TWO ISSUES BROUGHT UP SO FAR THAT I THOUGHT I'D COME UP AND AT LEAST ADDRESS THEM RIGHT OFF THE BAT. FIRST, WHEN ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN CAME UP, AND HE'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, THERE'S ALMOST 600 ACRES IN THIS APPLICATION, 573.

BUT BASED ON ALL OF MY LAND PLANNING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT EXPERIENCE OVER THE LAST 53 YEARS, WE WILL GET NOWHERE NEAR 600 UNITS. IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THE CODE THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO... CHANGE THE PLAN TO ONLY ALLOWS 30,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS AT A MINIMUM IF WE HAVE TO BE ON SEWER AND SEPTIC FIELDS AND WELLS. AND WE CAN ONLY GO TO 20,000 SQUARE FEET IF WE HAVE PUBLIC SEWER AND WATER, WHICH I DON'T BELIEVE IS GOING TO HAPPEN. IF WE'VE GOT 573 ACRES BASED ON MY TOTAL, AND I HEARD MR. BRINKLEY MENTION EARLIER WE HAVE ABOUT 100 OF IT AT WETLANDS, THAT STILL NEEDS TO BE CONFIRMED, DEAL WITH THE SCALE. CORPS OF ENGINEERS IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA TO MAKE SURE THAT NUMBER AND SURVEY THEN TO LOCATE WHERE THEY ARE AND HOW THAT LOCATION IMPACTS THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. BECAUSE EVERY LOT'S GOING TO HAVE A CERTAIN SQUARE FOOTAGE, A CERTAIN WIDTH, ETC. STREET FRONTAGE, ETC. SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU CAN TAKE A BLOCK. THE LAND IS NOT, BY ITS CONFIGURATION, NOR WITH THE WETLANDS IMPACTS, RECTANGULAR IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF CURVILINEAR ROADS. WE'VE ALSO GOT TO MEET THE CURSE.

COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA STORMWATER STANDARDS. I CAN TELL YOU FROM MY EXPERIENCE, IF I STARTED LAYING THIS SITE OUT, AND I HAVE NOT LAID IT OUT, WE'RE TRYING TO SEE HOW IT WOULD YIELD, I WOULD SET ASIDE 15% OF THE GROSS LAND FOR STORMWATER PONDS. THAT'S THE TOP OF BANK. THAT'S NOT THE EDGE OF THE GREEN SPACE REQUIRED TO 15 OR 30 FEET FOR MAINTENANCE AROUND THEM.

AND THEN YOU'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE ALL THESE ROADS THAT HAVE TO GO THROUGH THERE, AND I WOULD SUSPECT WE'D PROBABLY LOSE AT LEAST ANOTHER 100 ACRES. OF THE RAW LAND, SO WE'RE DOWN AROUND LESS THAN 300 ACRES, PLUS OR MINUS, THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO START WITH PUTTING IN 30,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS. SO WE'RE PROBABLY TALKING IN A MAGNITUDE, AND I THINK SOMEONE ELSE MENTIONED IT, SOMEWHERE PROBABLY IN THE

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FARM HOMES ON FARM LOTS. SO WHAT WE WOULD BE PUTTING IN IF THIS WAS APPROVED AND WE COME BACK LATER TO GO FOR A REZONING, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A REZONING NOW. THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK THAT HAS TO BE DONE TO GO FROM A COMP PLAN RECOMMENDATION TO A REZONING APPLICATION.

IN THE COMP PLAN APPLICATION FORM, THERE'S NOTHING REQUIRED OTHER THAN APPLYING. WHEN YOU GET INTO, HE'S GOING FOR...

REZONING APPLICATIONS, EVEN THE CODE OF VIRGINIA, REQUIRES YOU TO DO CERTAIN STUDIES, TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDIES, WETLANDS DELINEATIONS, SOIL BORINGS, TOPOGRAPHIC AND BOUNDARY SURVEYS. SO YOU HAVE AN ALTA SURVEY ON THE PROPERTY THAT'S CURRENT.

YOU CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO DO A LAYOUT UNTIL YOU'VE GOTTEN TO THAT POINT. AND ONCE YOU CAN DO A LAYOUT, THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF SOILS INVESTIGATIONS WITH SPECIALISTS IN SEPTIC FIELDS AND WELLS.

THAT'S, I CAN TELL YOU FROM EXPERIENCE, THAT'S PROBABLY SOMEWHERE IN $125,000 TO $175,000 WORTH OF WORK BEFORE WE WOULD EVER SHOW UP AGAIN FOR A REZONING APPLICATION. SO I WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.

THE SECOND THING IS THIS ISSUE OF, I THINK, DRAIN TILES THAT WAS JUST MENTIONED. AND I'M SURE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE THAT HAVE DONE FARMING. I HAVE A BUNCH OF RELATIVES DOWN IN GEORGIA. THEY HAD HOG FARMS AND OTHER KIND OF FARMS. OTHER THAN STAYING THERE ON SOME SUMMERS, I'VE NEVER REALLY BEEN ON THE FARM. I PICKED OKRA ONE TIME BY HAND AND DIDN'T REALIZE I SHOULD HAVE HAD ON GLOVES, BUT THAT'S WHAT A CITY BOY LEARNS. BUT THERE'S A RECENT DEVELOPMENT THAT I STARTED 10 YEARS, TOOK 10 YEARS TO COMPLETE, AND WE'RE JUST BUILDING ON THE LAST PARCEL. IT WAS 180 ACRES IN SUFFOLK, KNOWN AS HAMPTON ROADS, CROSSING. IT'S WHERE THE BIG KROGER SUPERMARKET WAS BUILT, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT.

THAT ENTIRE TRACK OF LAND. HAD A TILE FIELD IN IT THAT WE KNEW ABOUT WHEN WE STARTED AND ALL WE DID WHEN WE BUILT THE HOMES, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, APARTMENTS, COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, ETC., OFFICE BUILDINGS, WAS TO BREAK THEM UP AND THEY WERE GONE. IT DIDN'T IMPACT THE DEVELOPMENT WHATSOEVER. THERE WAS NEVER ANY MASS COST. THERE WAS NEVER ANY LEAKAGE FROM THEM BECAUSE THEY WERE AGRICULTURAL TILE FIELDS.

THEY WEREN'T THERE FOR SEWER PURPOSES. SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THOSE TWO POINTS TO YOU AND TRY TO CLARIFY THOSE TWO CONCERNS.

THAN WERE VOICED BY OTHERS.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? MY NAME IS JIM HART AND WAS AT 24576 DELAWARE ROAD, CORTLAND. AND FIRST OF ALL, GO BACK A LITTLE BIT ON THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY. HOW MANY PEOPLE REMEMBER THAT THERE WAS A GO-KART TRACK ON THAT PROPERTY? ANYBODY REMEMBER THAT? BACK IN THE EARLY 60'S, THEY HAD AN ASPHALT GO-KART TRACK AND WE USED TO GO OUT THERE AND WATCH. YOU MIGHT HAVE GONE THERE, ROBERT, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT IT WAS A FUN TIME. MR. BRADSHAW WAS A CHARACTER.

BUT I CAME UP HERE. THE COMP PLAN IS WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND THAT'S JUST PENCILED IN.

THAT'S THROWN AT THE DARK BOARD. LAND USE IS TRENDING THIS WAY OR THAT WAY, AND THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE OF THAT. IT LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT GO INDUSTRIAL OR SOMETHING FOR THE COMP PLAN.

BUT THEY HAVE ENVISIONS OF A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, AND WE NEED THAT. WE HAD AN IDEAL PIECE OF PROPERTY ON CAMP PARKWAY. WE PUT A SCHOOL ON. WE RAN WATER AND SEWER.

TO IT AND ARE MADE AVAILABLE.

GOT A CHURCH OUT THERE, A FEW NICE HOMES. WE TURNED RIGHT AROUND WHEN THE PREVIOUS BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND ZONED IT INDUSTRIAL TO PUT SOME WAREHOUSES ON. IT DOESN'T EVEN USE WATER IN ZUHARLEY. AND THAT'S BEEN SOLD TO THE CHINESE. SO WE NEED SOME LAND FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AROUND FRANKLIN. ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THE LOCATION ON THIS IS FOR SCHOOLS IS THE ACCESS TO HIGHWAY 58 TO GO TO OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS. DOESN'T HAVE A STOPLIGHT TO INCUR TO GO TO RIVERDALE OR TO GO TO SOUTHAMPTON, EITHER ONE.

WHEN THEY COME BACK, THEY'VE GOT TO DEAL WITH A STOPLIGHT AT FOOD LINE, BUT THAT'S A STRAIGHT THROUGH.

SO THAT'S A PRETTY SAFE LITTLE AREA TO BE. IT'S ON THE RIGHT END OF THE COUNTY FOR DEVELOPMENT TO GO TO SUFFOLK. WE ARE A BEDROOM COMMUNITY, AS WARREN MENTIONED.

THAT'S WHAT WE ARE, WE'RE A BEDROOM COMMUNITY TO SUFFOLK. AND IT'S COMING THIS WAY, AND WITH THAT, IT'S COMING SOME COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. I HAVE HAD FIVE PHONE CALLS IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS

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THEY'RE JUST PROVIDING AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT IT. I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME PROBLEMS WITH THE PROPERTY. ENGINEERS, JUST LIKE THIS OTHER GENTLEMAN RIGHT HERE HAS COME UP, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THEIR DUE DILIGENCE DONE.

BUT WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR NOW IS JUST A CHANGE IN.

WHAT WE SAW, OR THE BOARD MEMBERS PREVIOUSLY SAW, WAS A POTENTIAL USE OF THE PROPERTY. THIS COULD GO THIS WAY OR THIS WAY, RESERVE IT FOR AGRICULTURAL, OR DESIGNATE IT FOR FUTURE INDUSTRIAL USE, OR WHATEVER. THEY JUST SEE A RESIDENTIAL NEED AND WE HAVE A RESIDENTIAL NEED. AND SO WE'VE APPROVED THE BETHEL FARMS DEVELOPMENT THAT'S LOCATED OUT IN THE COUNTY THAT DEALS WITH COUNTRY ROADS. WE APPROVED ONE ON HARRIS ROAD, I DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF IT RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S DEVELOPED. AND THERE'S STILL A FEW LOTS AVAILABLE.

BUT THAT DEVELOPED, AND THAT'S ALSO WATER AND WELL AND SEPTIC TANK. AND SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS GOOD. IT'S A 30,000 THREE-QUARTER ACRE LOT, MINIMUM, AND AS THEY PUT ROADS IN THERE, THEY'LL PROBABLY BE A LITTLE BIT LARGER, SOME OF THEM, WITH SETBACKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING FOR US TO LOOK AT AND GET THE OPPORTUNITY FOR.

THEY'RE JUST ASKING FOR PHASE ONE, THE FIRST STEP. CAN YOU LISTEN TO US? CAN WE INVEST SOME MONEY? SEE WHAT WE CAN COME UP WITH AND COME BACK TO YOU FOR A REASON. AND A GOOD, QUALIFIED PLAN TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT. I SUPPORT THEM. AND IT GIVES THEM KUDOS FOR TRYING TO HAVE A LITTLE FORESIGHT AND TO GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY HERE.

SO, THANK YOU ALL. ALL RIGHT.

ANYBODY ELSE? HARRY CROSS AGAIN. I APOLOGIZE, LADIES, AT FIRST. BUT YOU'VE HEARD ALL THE REASONS NOT TO DO IT. AND I THINK IT WAS FROM EVERY ONE OF THE PEOPLE HERE. TRYING TO MAKE US A BEDROOM COMMUNITY AND ALL THE TRAFFIC THAT GOES WITH THAT. THE LAST HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS THAT WERE MENTIONED HAVE OVERRUN OUR DUMPS. THERE'S NOT BEEN ATTRACTIVE COMMUNITIES THAT I SEE. THERE'S PEOPLE LIVING THERE. WE DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE. I REMIND YOU, AS WE'VE ALWAYS DONE BEFORE, COMPREHENSIVE PLANS PUT IN PLACE FOR A GAUGE FOR US.

TO MOVE TOWARD, GROW SLOWLY, GROW IN THE RIGHT PLACES. AND GROW SMART. AGRICULTURE LAND, YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY BEFORE, AS A FARM BUREAU REPRESENTATIVE, ONLY COSTS THE COUNTY, FOR EVERY DOLLAR THAT IT TAKES IN, IT COSTS 20 CENTS, 25 CENTS. FOR EVERY DOLLAR THESE HOUSES ARE GOING TO BRING IN, IT'S GOING TO COST US A DOLLAR AND 30 CENTS. 162 NOW. I BEG YOU TO...

LET'S GROW THIS COUNTY SLOWLY, AS WE HAD ENVISIONED. LET'S LET ALL THIS INDUSTRY THAT, MR. HART TALKS ABOUT THAT, HAS BEEN BUYING AND LOOKING AND CALLING ABOUT, LET THEM GET HERE. IF YOU LOOK AT SUFFOLK, SUFFOLK RIGHT NOW IS BANKRUPT BY THE AMOUNT THAT'S GROWN IN NOTHING BUT HOUSES. AND SCHOOLS CAN'T HOLD THE CHILDREN. IT'S VERY SAD. DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE? DOWN THAT ROAD, THEY'VE ALREADY MENTIONED SUFFOLK SEVERAL TIMES AND HOW QUICK IT WAS TO GET THERE. HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU THINK ARE NOT GOING TO STOP AT THEM PUBLIX AND THEM KROGER'S IN SUFFOLK TO BUY GROCERIES INSTEAD OF GOING TO THE FOOD LINE IN FRANKLIN? THEY'RE GOING TO GET GROCERIES ON THE WAY HOME. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ALL THIS BEFORE.

EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON, THEY'RE JUST USING US FOR A BEDROOM COMMUNITY. OUR SCHOOLS WILL NOT HANDLE THIS MUCH. AND IF THERE'S THAT MANY RESIDENTIAL LOTS ACROSS THE STREET, THEN I THINK THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM FOR FOLKS TO BUILD GRADUALLY, AS WE GOT IT NOW. I WOULD JUST URGE YOU TO STICK WITH THE COMP PLAN.

IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION LOOKED AT IT, NOTHING ELSE HAS CHANGED. I DON'T SEE WHERE WE NEED TO GIVE ANY LEAD WAY FOR ANYTHING ELSE. WITH BETHEL FARMS, FIRST STARTED.

FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND, I STUCK MY NOSE IN ONCE AGAIN.

I DIDN'T HAVE ANY BUSINESS, BUT THE DRAIN TILE GOT REMOVED AND WATCHED THE MAN DIG IT UP ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE FIELD. MR. BROWN HAS TALKED ABOUT THE DRAIN TILE ON THIS FARM, AND I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT. OUR ZONING DEPARTMENT, OUR HEALTH DEPARTMENT,

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THUS, THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE HOMES NOW. WITH WATER RUNNING OUT OF THE BASEMENT, THE CRAWL SPACE, BECAUSE THE FARMER STOPPED LOOKING AFTER THE DRAIN TILE IN THE WOODS, THE TILE BACKED UP, AND IT'S RUNNING OUT OF FOLKS' CRAWL SPACE. SO I DON'T HOLD ANY FAITH IN OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT CHECKING LIKE THEY SHOULD, NOR THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT HASN'T DONE IT IN THE PAST. AND I KNOW IT'S A LONG WAYS AWAY, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, THAT'S ONE OF THEM THINGS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO. ACROSS.

BUT OUR TRASH DUMPS, OUR SCHOOLS, AND ONE, I TALKED EARLIER ABOUT HOW WHAT YOU DO IMPACTS SOMEONE ELSE.

WHAT THEY'RE DOING TO MAKE PROFIT AND MAKE MONEY IS GOING TO MAKE MY TAXES GO UP. THERE YOU HAVE ANOTHER SITUATION OF WHAT Y'ALL DO HERE THIS EVENING IMPACTS OTHERS. THANK YOU.

27-511, SOUTH HAMPTON PARKWAY.

I DON'T HAVE A DOG IN THIS FIGHT, BUT THIS IS PART OF MY FAMILY. AND I ALSO WANT TO SAY BEFORE I ADD ANYTHING ABOUT THAT, AND I PROBABLY WON'T ADD ANY MORE, THAT MY FATHER WAS ON THIS BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE WRITING AND A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, NOT AN EXPERT, BUT HE HAD A VISION FOR THIS COUNTY. AND I FULLY BELIEVE WITH ALL MY HEART THAT HIS VISION HAS PART OF IT HAS BEEN PRESENTED BEFORE US TONIGHT. HE TOOK HIS JOB VERY, VERY SERIOUSLY, TO THE POINT THAT MY MOTHER BEGGED HIM TO GET OFF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. BUT HE WANTED TO SEE THE COUNTY GROW AND BE PRODUCTIVE. AND WHERE THERE IS NO VISION, I HAVE TO SAY, THE PEOPLE PERISH. AND I'VE BEEN HERE ALL MY LIFE, AND I HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF VISION FOR OUR COUNTY.

OTHER THAN PEOPLE THAT WERE WILLING TO TAKE A RISK AND DO WHAT THEY ARE ATTEMPTING TO DO HERE, AND THAT IS TO CHANGE FOR THE BETTER. AND IF WE ALWAYS DO WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS DONE, WE WILL ALWAYS GET WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS GOT. AND YOU'VE GOT TO GET OFF OF GROUND ZERO AND PUT IN YOUR MIND, SET, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO ADVANCE AND GROW IN THIS COUNTY. AND BEFORE I GO ANY FURTHER, I WANT TO INTERJECT SOMETHING. MR. BROWN. NOW, BACK TO, AND IT HAS UPSET ME SO BAD TO HEAR SOMEBODY COME INTO OUR COUNTY MEETING WHEN WE START WITH AN INVOCATION AND THEN TAKE THE LORD'S NAME.

IN VAIN THAT I CAN HARDLY THINK OF WHAT I WANT TO SAY. BUT I HOPE YOU WILL CONSIDER THIS.

AND YES, THIS WOULD BE A TREMENDOUS SHOT IN THE ARM FOR THE GROWTH IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. AND THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GOING TO WORK THE KINKS OUT OF GROWTH IS TO TAKE THE NERVES AND THE STRENGTH AND THE POWER AND THE MONEY AND SWEAT AND TEARS TO TAKE THE CHANCE TO MAKE IT GROW. AND IF YOU DON'T TAKE A CHANCE, YOU WILL NEVER CHANGE. AND I STRONGLY URGE YOU TO GIVE THIS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOR SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, ANYBODY ELSE? I'M JUST COMING FOR A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

IT WAS BROUGHT UP BACK TO BETHEL ROAD. MY POINT ABOUT BRINGING UP BETHEL ROAD AND OTHER SUBDIVISIONS WAS TO SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE THE ROADS WHERE THEY ARE ARE ON COUNTRY ROADS. AND THIS PROPERTY FRONTS ON HIGHWAY 189, WHICH IS A DOUBLE LANE, AND THEY JUST BUILT A NEW BRIDGE DOWN THERE, AN OLD 189 BRIDGE, AND GOT RID OF THE DRAWBRIDGE. AND ALSO, FRONT'S ON PRETLOW ROAD, SO IT HAS ACCESS TO ALREADY DEVELOPED ROADS FOR HIGHWAY TRAVEL, HIGH TRAFFIC DENSITY. SO, I MEAN, ITS IMPACT ON THE ROADS, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE THAT MUCH. I MEAN, IT IS GOING TO BE, I DON'T WANT SOMEBODY TO COME AND SAY, WELL, YES, IT IS, YOU CAN'T DO MATH. WELL, I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE SOME PEOPLE TRAVELING, DON'T GET ME WRONG, BUT IT'S BEEN DESIGNED FOR THAT. SO, I WANT TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. I JUST DIDN'T WANT THAT TO BE A POINT AGAINST THESE PEOPLE. I WANT IT TO BE A POINT. FOUR OF THEM, THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY.

ALL RIGHT, ANYBODY ELSE? ALL

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IT'S BEEN A LOT OF EMOTION SHARED, A LOT OF GOOD POINTS BROUGHT UP.

WE'RE FORTUNATE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME AT THIS LEVEL AND TO SHARE OUR OPINIONS. YOU HAVE A TOUGH DECISION TO MAKE, BUT I'M COMING TONIGHT. I'M NOT GOING TO OFFER MY OPINION, BUT I'M COMING TONIGHT AS A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN THE COUNTY BECAUSE I'M GETTING A MIXED MESSAGE. I AND SEVERAL OTHERS... ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION. WE HAVE PUT IN MANY HOURS TO DEVELOP OUR MOST RECENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

IT'S NOT TWO YEARS OLD YET. IF I GET IT CORRECT, YOU PROBABLY VOTED ON IT AT YOUR MAY MEETING IN 2024.

SO IT'S NOT QUITE TWO YEARS OLD YET. I THINK ABOUT THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS. I THINK ABOUT THE COUNTY FAIR. I LOVE THE COUNTY FAIR. I TELL YOU, WE SPENT TWO WHOLE DAYS AT A DESK AND A CHAIR AND INTERACTING WITH THE PEOPLE AND DEVELOPING.

THAT WAS PART OF THAT COMMUNITY PROCESS, TO SEE WHAT THE PEOPLE OF SOUTH HAMPTON, WHAT THEY LIKE, WHAT THEY DON'T LIKE. AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE VISION. IT'S BEEN MENTIONED TO SEVERAL PEOPLE TONIGHT.

THIS IS THE RESIDENTS OF THE COUNTY. AND ALL THIS IS ON RECORD, BY THE WAY. IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING, AND I KNEW IT. MR. WHITE, YOU HAVE SERVED ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION BEFORE. YOU KNOW HOW IT WORKS. DR. HILL, YOU SERVED AT CURRENTLIT. GOT A COUPLE OF PLANNING COMMISSIONERS HERE TONIGHT, AND I'M GLAD TO SEE AND HEAR THEIR INPUT.

BUT A LOT OF WORK WAS DONE TO REWRITE. OR UPDATE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND YES, THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT SENDS US, AS A REQUIREMENT, TO A PLANNING SCHOOL CURRICULUM, 10-WEEK STUDY COURSE, SO WE'LL DO OUR JOB PROFICIENTLY. AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS THE VISION, BUT IT'S NOT JUST...

ME, IT'S JUST NOT THE COMMISSIONERS, IT'S THE INPUT FROM THE CITIZENS. SO, I MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT GETTING A MIXED MESSAGE.

WELL, IT HAD BEEN, BUT A FEW MONTHS BACK, AN ADJOINING LANDOWNER, JUST THE SAME PROPERTY, HE WANTED TO DO HIS OWN INDUSTRIAL.

NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GOING TO COME BACK AGAIN OR NOT, BUT I KNOW... WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GROUP FROM FRANKENSIDE TO HAMPTON, THEY MADE IT VERY CLEAR, IN ORDER TO REWRITE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THAT. THE CORRIDOR AT THE FORD BROTHERS ON 258, BECAUSE OF THE SUBSTATION, THE CURRENT, AND BECAUSE OF THE INTERCHANGE AT THE LOVES TRUCK CENTER, DIVISIONED THIS TIME AROUND WITH THIS PLAN. BY THE WAY, I'VE BEEN ON THIS COMMISSION ALMOST 15 YEARS, GIVE OR TAKE A FEW. IF THAT WAS GOING TO BE OUR NEW INDUSTRIAL CORRIDOR, MOVING OFF OF 671, BACK IN VIVA, OUT TO THE FORD BROTHERS.

IN FACT, WE'VE ALREADY REZONED ONE OF THE PROPERTIES DOWN TO THE FORD INDUSTRIAL USE. OH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, BY THE WAY. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING A MIXED MESSAGE.

NOW, WITH THE NUMBER OF HOMES, THIS COULD BE, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S BAD. DON'T GET ME WRONG. I'M COMING FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. IF WE APPROVE THIS PROJECT, THERE COULD VERY EASILY BE OTHER LANDOWNERS WHO, YOU KNOW,

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THEY PAY FOR THAT EXTENSION, AND THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS.

IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT'S NOT REALLY THE FORWARD OR THE INTRO, BUT THE MESSAGE IN SOME OF THE DETAILS. THERE, WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE RESPONSIBLE GROWTH. AND WHEN I SAY THAT IS, DO WE WANT TO PUT A HOUSE ON ACRE OF LAND, OR DO WE WANT A NICE SUBDIVISION WITH SIDEWALKS AND STREETLIGHTS AND A PARK? IF WE'RE GOING TO DO HUNDREDS OF HOMES, IS THAT THE BEST USE OF THE LAND? OKAY, SO THAT'S WHY THOSE SAME WORDS IN THE PLAN, WE WILL TRY TO EXPAND ON THE TOWN.

ON THE TOWNS THAT WE HAVE NOW, BECAUSE SOME OF THE TOWNS HAVE WATER AND SEPTIC LINES OR DRAIN SYSTEMS OR WHATEVER, OR UTILITIES. I JUST FEEL LIKE AS SERVING ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU ACT TONIGHT, DO WE NEED TO GO BACK AND READDRESS THE VISION THAT WE CAME UP WITH? FROM THE INPUT OF THE CITIZENS OF THE COUNTY, OKAY? AND ALSO, DON'T FORGET THAT COMPONENT, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GROUP, THINKING THAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE THE DIRECTION. AND I KNOW THAT'S QUITE A WAYS FROM MR. BRINKLEY'S FARM. I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT THE TRAFFIC COULD VERY, THE TRUCK TRAFFIC, OKAY, COULD VERY EASILY GO OUT THAT CORRIDOR, ALL COMING IN FROM AND TO NORTH CAROLINA. WOULD THAT BE AN ISSUE NOW? I KNOW A LOT OF THE FRONTAGE OF THAT PROPERTY DOES NOT GO TO THE HIGHWAY, BUT IF THEY WANTED TO CUT BACK OVER TO SUFFOLK, I GUESS THEY COULD GO DOWN TO 189 CORRIDOR.

A LOT OF THE TRUCKS GOING TO THE MILL GOES THAT WAY. SO ANYWAY, I THINK I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT IT FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION COMPONENT.

I JUST WONDER WHY WE DIDN'T GET THE INPUT. I WISH WE'D HAVE KNOWN THIS. THIS IS WHY WE HAVE THOSE MEETINGS. WE ADVERTISE IT. WE GOT LANDOWNERS, THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN AWARE OF IT. YOU KNOW, IT'S NO SENSE THAT MR. BROWN DIDN'T GET HIS NOTICE JUST SIX DAYS EARLIER. BUT THE INPUT, THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, THE PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT WE HAD, NOT TO SAY EVERYBODY GOES TO THE COUNTY FAIR, BUT IT WAS MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE COULD HAVE BEEN INFORMED ABOUT A DEVELOPMENT SUCH AS THIS LESS THAN TWO YEARS AGO WHEN THAT WAS PASSED. SO THAT KIND OF BOTHERS ME, BUT HOPEFULLY WE'LL, WHATEVER THE OUTCOME IS TONIGHT, THE ONES HERE TONIGHT. AS WE GO FORWARD, WHEN WE REWRITE THIS PLAN AGAIN, WE NORMALLY DO IT EVERY FIVE YEARS. THIS ONE TOOK SEVEN BECAUSE OF THE COVID THAT WE EXPERIENCED EARLIER. SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL LEARN A LESSON TONIGHT THAT WHEN SOMEBODY'S GOT AN IDEA TO DO SOMETHING WITH THEIR PROPERTY, I DON'T THINK MR. BRINKLEY, I DON'T THINK HE THOUGHT OF THIS CONCEPT A MONTH OR TWO AGO.

HE'S PROBABLY BEEN IN THE MAKING FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

BUT WE NEED, AS PLANNING COMMISSIONS, WE NEED TO KNOW THIS, BECAUSE WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT MAY COME BEFORE US. SO WE CAN HELP PLAN FOR FUTURE GROWTH THERE. THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS TO END UP WITH AN INDUSTRIAL PARK NEXT TO A NICE RESIDENTIAL SECTION.

SO ONE THING ABOUT OPEN LAND, WHEN IT'S OPEN LAND, YOU CAN DO ANYTHING YOU WANT TO IT, OR YOU CAN DO NOTHING TO IT. YOU'VE GOT AN OPTION, BUT ONCE YOU PAVE IT, OR ONCE YOU BUILD ON IT, IT PRETTY MUCH CAN STAY IN THAT FORMAT. IT PROBABLY WON'T GO BACK TO OPEN SPACE AGAIN.

BUT I DO LIKE,

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BUT WHATEVER YOU DO, I KNOW YOU'LL MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICE, BUT I'M MAINLY SPEAKING FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

IF YOU APPROVE THIS PROJECT, I THINK WE NEED TO GO BACK AND READDRESS WHAT OUR VISION WAS, AND WE MAY HAVE TO MAKE SOME ADAPTATIONS TO THAT. THANK YOU, AND GOOD LUCK. ALL RIGHT.

ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY. WELL, YOU SPEND 40 YEARS OF YOUR LIFE WALKING OVER THIS PROPERTY AS I HAD. I KNOW EVERY INCH OF IT. AND I'D LIKE TO APOLOGIZE FOR THIS LADY SAYING A NASTY WORD, BUT I MUST HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO THE DEMOCRATIC FIGHT SONG, THE F-BOMB. AND, BUT... I KNOW WHAT THAT LAND IS. IT'S HIGHLY PRODUCTIVE. AND I ALSO KNOW THAT THE WATER THAT IS THE DRAIN TILE IS SURPLUS WATER.

IT'S GOING TO GO TO THE RIVER. I HAVE HAD TO FIX OVER MY YEARS, I DON'T KNOW WHERE ALL THE OUTLETS ARE NOW THERE IN THE WOODS, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE EROSION PROBLEMS. I MEAN, BIG TIME, IF YOU DON'T HAVE SOMEONE THAT LOVES THE LAND LIKE I DO. THERE'S NO ONE CAN DENY THAT. I DIDN'T PUT MY HEART AND SOUL ON THAT FARM UNDER THE GUISE OF MISREPRESENTATION THAT ONE DAY I WOULD BE ABLE TO BUY IT.

BUT I HAVE SPENT CLOSE TO $700,000 TO $800,000 IMPROVING IT. NOW IT'S A BEAUTIFUL FARM FOR SOMEONE TO GO IN AND MAKE GOOD CROPS. IF THE RENT ON THAT LAND IS NOW $75 AN ACRE, THAT'S MORE THAN MOST OF THE FARMLAND IS RUNNING FOR.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, ANYBODY ELSE? AGAIN, I'D JUST LIKE TO REMIND YOU, SUPERVISORS, CHAIRMAN, THAT AGAIN, THE FAMILY IS ASKING FOR JUST AN AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AS FAMILY, AS OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY, IT WILL BE ON OUR FAMILY TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AS THEY SAID, TO WHAT IS THE BEST USE OF THE PROPERTY. IF YOU DON'T VOTE YES FOR US TODAY, WE CAN'T EVEN MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION. SO WE'VE HAD PLENTY OF MEMBERS FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE SPOKEN FOR THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY 6 FOR DEVELOPMENT DOWN THE ROAD. 8 BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU, FROM THE FAMILY STANDPOINT, THAT UNLESS WE RECEIVE THIS TONIGHT, THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING. AND WE CAN'T MAKE THE INVESTMENT IN THE COUNTY OTHER THAN AS FARM OWNERS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE ARE AS A FARM OWNER. SO AGAIN, I WOULD JUST APPEAL TO YOU THAT WE WOULD GO THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS THAT'S NECESSARY, WORK CLOSELY WITH THE PLANNERS. SO THAT WE COULD DEVELOP SOMETHING THAT WE ALL COULD BE VERY PROUD OF, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE LEGACY OF OUR FAMILY HAS LEFT HERE IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, AND THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD BE. SO I WOULD ASK YOU TO VOTE YES TONIGHT. THANK YOU.

ANYBODY ELSE? I HEARD A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THIS TONIGHT.

LAST CALL BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ALRIGHT, WE'LL GO TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

FIRST OF ALL, I'M A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

I'VE BEEN ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR ABOUT 36 YEARS NOW. AND I KNOW MR. DRAKE VERY WELL, AND ALL THE REST OF THE PEOPLE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

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BUT I THINK WE NEED TO REALIZE THAT IT IS A PLAN, AND AT THE TIME THAT THAT PLAN WAS WRITTEN... INPUT WENT INTO IT, THAT WAS THE BEST THAT PEOPLE HAD, OKAY? THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT OTHER IDEAS WON'T COME UP THAT MIGHT CHANGE IT. AND SO THIS PLAN HERE, I'M IN FAVOR OF IT BECAUSE I THINK WE DO NEED HOUSING IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. AND WHEN WE PLAN A PLACE TO PUT THESE HOUSES, THERE'S ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, AN IDEA OF AGRICULTURE VERSUS RESIDENTIAL, ETC. THAT'S GOING TO ALWAYS BE IN THE COUNTY, OKAY? AND IN LOCATING A PROJECT LIKE THIS, I THINK THAT OF THE PLACES IN THE COUNTY, THIS IS ONE OF THE BETTER PLACES FOR IT TO BE. AND SO RESIDENTIAL AREAS ARE COMING TO THE COUNTY, OKAY? THE COUNTY IS GOING TO GROW. SUFFOLK BUSINESSES AND ALL WILL EVENTUALLY GO FURTHER WEST, AND SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY IS NEXT. AND ONE THING THAT IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, ONE QUESTION THAT THESE INDUSTRIES ASK ABOUT IS THE WORKFORCE THAT'S AVAILABLE. AND IF WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL AREA, THAT ATTRACTS PEOPLE WHO WOULD HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO FULFILL THAT NEED. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A POSITIVE THING FOR THE COUNTY. AND SO, FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, THIS IS NOT THE BEST FARMLAND IN THE COUNTY. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD. AND THAT CERTAINLY WOULD ALSO ADD MORE CREDIBILITY TO PUTTING IT THERE. AND SO I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF IT. CAN I JUST MENTION ONE THING YOU ASKED ABOUT? PLAN. I NEED TO, EVERYBODY UP HERE VOTED FOR THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAST YEAR. IT'S NOT AN OLD PLAN, IT'S A NEW ONE. WE ALL VOTED LAST YEAR. YES, IT'S GOOD.

JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT.

WELL, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS A PLAN AND IT'S A BLUEPRINT THAT YOU GO BY, BUT IT'S ALSO SOMETHING YOU CAN MANIPULATE IF YOU NEED TO. I MEAN, THAT'S WHY IT'S A PLAN. IT'S NOT SET IN STONE, WHATEVER, WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH, YOU KNOW, UNDEVELOPED LAND. BUT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THIS IS NOT, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO COME IN HERE AND THROW UP 200 HOMES. YOU KNOW,

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THIS IS A DIFFERENT SITUATION THAN WHAT YOU NORMALLY HAVE. A LOT OF TIMES WE HAVE DEVELOPERS COMING IN HERE WANTING TO BUY UP LAND THAT'S NOT FROM THE AREA AND WANT TO DEVELOP IT. THESE PEOPLE OWN THIS FARM AND HAVE OWNED IT FOR GENERATIONS, RIGHT? AND SO I UNDERSTAND, DR. EDWARDS AND MR. DRAKE, YOUR CONCERN FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH AMENDING IT AND LETTING THESE PEOPLE COME BACK WITH THEIR APPLICATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

WITH A QUALITY DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE I LIKE. JIM HART SAID, AND OTHER PEOPLE, WE NEED A QUALITY DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS AREA. LIKE, YOU KNOW, KEEP COMING BACK TO BETHEL FARMS. THAT'S ON THE BACK COUNTRY ROAD. IT'S NEVER BEEN IMPROVED. YOU GOT 75 HOUSES BACK THERE OR MORE, AND THE TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD IS TERRIBLE. I MEAN, I GREW UP RIGHT THERE ON BETHEL ROAD, AND THE ROAD'S NEVER BEEN IMPROVED. SO THESE ROADS ARE ALREADY HERE. WE'VE GOT 189, WHICH IS A VERY WELL-DEVELOPED, NICE ROAD THAT CAN HANDLE HEAVY TRAFFIC. AND ALSO, PRETLOW STREET IS A GOOD WIDE WITH EASY ACCESS TO 58.

SO THAT'S MY FEELINGS ON IT.

ANYBODY ELSE? YEAH, I THINK IT'S WORTH MENTIONING AGAIN.

FOR THE POINT OF RECORD, THAT WE ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT HERE, AND NOTHING FURTHER AT THIS JUNCTURE. AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF GOOD POINTS MADE TONIGHT.

AND AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR COMING AND PROVIDE THE INPUT ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS ARGUMENT. IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE. COMPREHENSIVE PLANS ARE DESIGNED TO BE FLUID LIVING DOCUMENTS.

THEY PROVIDE GENERAL GUIDANCE TO US. THEY'RE CONCEPTUAL, THEY'RE ADAPTIVE, THEY ESTABLISH VISION. I BELIEVE WE HAVE A GOOD COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND I'M THANKFUL THAT WE HAVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THAT SPENT ALL THE TIME, ENERGY, AND EFFORT INTO PUTTING THAT VISION ON PAPER FOR US TO USE FOR GUIDANCE AND AS A ROADMAP.

BUT I DO ALSO BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE MEANT TO BE ADAPTIVE AND FLUID AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RESPONSIBLE GROWTH FOR OUR COUNTY. THERE ARE FEW BETTER PLACES, I FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD BE SUITABLE FOR SUCH A DEVELOPMENT. IT'S JUST CAMP. PARKWAY WAS ALREADY MENTIONED AND HOW THAT WENT DOWN. THIS ALREADY BORDERS RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES THAT ARE ZONED FOR THIS PURPOSE APPROPRIATELY ALREADY. IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE DROPPING IT INTO THE MIDDLE OF OUR RESIDENTIAL COUNTY. ON ROADWAYS THAT CAN'T SUSTAIN IT, AND IN DISTRICTS THAT ARE COMPLETELY NOT ZONED FOR IT.

WITH INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S COMPLETELY NOT PRESENT TO SUPPORT IT. SO I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S TOO FAR OF A DEVIATION FROM THE VISION. SET FORTH BY OUR ALREADY ESTABLISHED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT'S DEVELOPED BY OUR PLANNING COMMISSION. MY TURN. TIME'S UP. WELL, I REMEMBER A FEW YEARS AGO THE TERM PIANO TO DEVELOPMENT. AND I THINK THAT WAS IMPLEMENTED TO STOP FARMS BEING PURCHASED.

AND THE FIRST THING THAT HAPPENED WHEN THEY BOUGHT A FARM WAS DIVIDE UP THE LOTS ON THE ROAD. AND THEN THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE SCHOOL BUSES HAVING TO STOP EVERY MAILBOX. PICK UP CHILDREN, THAT CREATED A MESS. AND THAT, TOO, WAS PART OF PLANNING. AND

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BUT HOUSING, IT WAS DEEMED BETTER OFF IN DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THIS ONE. NOW, WHICH COMES FIRST, I GUESS, WITH SITTING HERE, THINKING ABOUT THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG? DOES A NICE COMMUNITY ATTRACT BUSINESS? I TEND TO THINK THAT IT DOES. DOES BUSINESS ATTRACT A NICE COMMUNITY? NOT NECESSARILY IN MY MIND, BUT I THINK WE HAVE AMPLE ROOM TO USE. AND IT'S GOING TO BE COMING THIS WAY, I BELIEVE, BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION OF... 58 HIGHWAY AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS I-87. I THINK THAT'S GOING IN WHAT THAT'S GOING TO DO.

BUT WE'VE STILL GOT A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES OPEN FOR US.

AND I WISH THAT WE COULD PLAN BUSINESS LIKE WE'RE PLANNING THIS HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BEING.

I THINK THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS A STEP IN THE PROCESS OF THE PLANNING AND FOR THE FUTURE. AND TO BE READY TO HAVE SOMEWHERE FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE IF BUSINESS COMES. I WISH WE COULD PLAN BUSINESS IN THE SAME MANNER THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT IN HOUSING, AS IS MENTIONED OVER THERE IN THE RIVERDALE AREA. THE SCHOOL OVER THERE, THAT LAND IS, WHO KNOWS HOW LONG THAT'S GOING TO SIT THERE.

BUT I THINK THAT THIS IS WORTHY OF A COMP PLAN. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S, I DON'T KNOW, THAT MEANS IT'S GOING TO BE EXACTLY LIKE THE PLAN IS. THOUGHT OUT NOW WHAT THINGS ARE CHANGING SO FAST, IT'S REALLY, IT'S JUST IT'S BLOWING MY MIND HOW FAST THINGS ARE CHANGING.

BUT I THINK THIS IS A STEP IN PREPARING FOR THE FUTURE, AND THAT'S ONE THING THIS COUNTY WANTS IS IS TO BE PREPARED FOR IT. AND UM, FOR THAT REASON, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THIS. MOVING FORWARD WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND BE VERY THOROUGH IN ACQUIRING THE NEXT STEP TO BE COMPLETE. AND THEN THE NEXT ONE AND THE NEXT ONE TO MAKE SURE THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE REALLY MAKING SURE WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING. SO. I GUESS THAT'S ENOUGH, SAID. BUT I'M HOPING THAT IT ATTRACTS BUSINESS. AND I THINK WE SOLVED THE PROBLEM THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID YEARS AGO WHEN THEY STOPPED THE PIANO DEVELOPMENT. THAT HAD A BIG IMPACT ON RURAL SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. HUGE. BECAUSE SOMEBODY LOOKING TO SITE A BUSINESS, THAT REALLY DOESN'T ATTRACT THEM. BUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD, IN MY OPINION. AND THAT'S NOT WORTH MUCH. YOU CAN'T BUY A CUP OF COFFEE WITH THAT.

BUT NEVERTHELESS, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M GOING TO... ALL RIGHT. WELL, ONE THING I MIGHT LIKE TO MENTION ABOUT LOTS, THERE ARE 3,400 PLANTED LOTS IN SOUTH ATHENS COUNTY.

$3,442, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

$3,400. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, WE'VE TALKED ENOUGH. ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE

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SECOND. SECOND. MR. CHAIRMAN.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? HOLD ON A MINUTE.

MR. CHAIRMAN, COULD I ASK MR. WHITE, IF HE WOULD CONSIDER A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO INCLUDE IN HIS MOTION THE LANGUAGE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE, THERE IN THE LAST PARAGRAPH, COVER PAGE FOR THE... IS IT THE TOP OR THE BOTTOM? THE BOTTOM, SIR. THE BOTTOM PART. IS IT THE TOP? HE SAID THAT. NO, NO, NO. HANG ON. HANG ON. YOU NEED THIS RIGHT HERE, RIGHT? RIGHT. THIS RIGHT HERE. HERE YOU GO. OH, OKAY. RIGHT THERE, OKAY? ALL RIGHT. THIS MOTION IS MADE IN DUE CONSIDERATION OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE RECORD BEFORE THE BODY, INCLUDING PLANNING COMMISSIONS, DELIBERATIONS, AND RECOMMENDATIONS. THE INFORMATION RECEIVED VIA THE PUBLIC HEARING, INCLUDING STATEMENTS OFFERED BY STAFF. THE APPLICANT AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY, THE GENERAL WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY, PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE IN THE EXERCISE OF GOOD ZONING PRACTICES AND THE BODY'S LEGISLATIVE PREROGATIVE AND PURSUANT TO THE BODY'S STATUTORY AUTHORITY. I'LL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION TO CHANGE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO AMEND IT. IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, PLEASE. I LOOK FORWARD TO ALL THOSE OPPOSED. I HOPE I DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK SOMEDAY UNTIL I'VE TOLD YOU SO. YOU WAIT AND SEE. WELL, IF IT'S GOING TO TAKE 25 YEARS, YOU WON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ME. WE STILL GOT ANOTHER

[14. Public Hearing- Comprehensive Plan Map Amendment- Request by Holland Nursery, Inc]

THAT'S A PUBLIC HEARING AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. REQUEST TO CHANGE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AND MR. PRINCE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ US RIGHT THROUGH THIS, RIGHT QUICK? ALL RIGHT, ITEM 14 IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT REQUEST BY HOLLAND NURSERY INCORPORATED. THIS PARCEL IS ADJACENT TO THE PARCEL WE JUST HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT. AND SO THIS IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT FROM AGRICULTURAL FOREST OPEN SPACE RULE, RESIDENTIAL TO LOW-DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

FOR TAPSMAC PARCELS, AS NOTED HERE, 106.33A, 107.A, 1A, 1A, I MEAN, 107.A, 1A, 107.A-11, 107.A-12, 107.A-13, 1.4, AND 1B. THE PROPERTIES TOTAL ESTIMATED 115 ACRES. LOCATED AT 34500 GLENDALE DRIVE AND ON SOUTH QUAY ROAD. PROPERTIES ARE IN THE SOUTHEAST VOTING DISTRICT AND THE BLACKWATER RIVER VOTING DISTRICT.

ALRIGHT, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? ANYBODY REPRESENTATIVE OF THIS? REQUEST RIGHT HERE, WANT TO SPEAK BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? YOU CAN WAIT UNTIL THE PUBLIC HEARING, WHICHEVER YOU'D LIKE TO DO.

ALL RIGHT, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ISSUE. FLOYD BRINKLEY, 1406, SWEETBAR AVENUE, NORFOLK, VIRGINIA.

THIS APPLICATION, SAME THING APPLIES. THIS WAS ORIGINALLY PART OF THE HOMESTEAD DAIRY FARM.

WHEN MY WIFE'S GRANDMOTHER PASSED, WE SOLD IT TO HOLLAND NURSERY, AND THEY'VE USED THE OLD FARMHOUSE AND BARNS FOR HIS GROWING OPERATION. SO HE WOULD BE PART OF, HE HAS FRONTAGE ON 189, IT CONNECTS TO THE LAND YOU JUST VOTED ON.

AND THE THING I DIDN'T GET TO SAY IS I'VE BEEN DOING DEVELOPMENT SINCE 1996. THE THINGS THAT WE DO AS A COMPANY, WE BUILD, NOT ONLY BUILD THE HOMES, WE DEVELOP THE LAND AS WELL.

SO WHEN WE PUT IN THE HOUSES, WE'RE ALSO DEVELOPING THE

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WE WOULD LOOK AT BALL FIELDS, WE WOULD LOOK AT THE AMENITY OF HAVING A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO PUT A BOAT DOWN, FOR A KAYAK, A CANOE TO FISH.

ALL THOSE THINGS WOULD BE PART OF OUR PLAN THAT WE WOULD BE BRINGING BACK TO YOU AT A LATER DATE TONIGHT. BUT I DON'T WANNA BELABOR WHAT WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT. I'M REPRESENTING HOLLAND NURSERIES, HE'S OUT OF STATE TONIGHT. I DO HAVE HIS AUTHORITY TO REPRESENT HIM.

BUT THESE TWO... TWO PROPERTIES ADJOIN EACH OTHER AND WE WOULD BRING AN APPLICATION FORWARD AT THE RIGHT TIME FOR REZONING THAT WOULD INCLUDE BOTH OF THESE TRACKS BEING CONNECTED.

THANK YOU. QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIRMAN? I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING NEW TO SAY THAT WE DIDN'T SAY THE FIRST TIME? THE PUBLIC HEARING IS STILL OPEN. ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE? IF NOT, THEN WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ISSUE.

DISCUSSION? FOR THE SAME REASONS AS BEFORE, I WOULD VOTE THAT WE NEED TO READ THIS. YEAH, IF YOU'RE MAKING A MOTION, GO FOR IT, CARL. BY THE TIME YOU GET DOWN TO THE BOTTOM, I FORGOT WHAT YOU SAID. OKAY, GOT IT, CARL. THANK YOU. THIS MOTION IS MADE IN DUE CONSIDERATION OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE RECORD BEFORE THE BODY, INCLUDING THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DELIBERATIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS, THE INFORMATION RECEIVED BY WAY OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, INCLUDING STATEMENTS OFFERED BY STAFF, THE APPLICANT, AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY, AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY, PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE IN THE EXERCISE OF GOOD ZONING PRACTICES, AND THE BODY'S LEGISLATIVE PREROGATIVE AND PURSUANT TO THE BODY'S STATUTORY AUTHORITY.

OKAY, ACCORDING TO THIS, THEN I APPROVE THAT WE APPROVE THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. OKAY,

[15. Closed Session (Part 2 of 2)]

OKAY. A MOTION IS REQUIRED TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSES.

IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2.2-3711A1, PERSONNEL MATTER REGARDING THE ANNUAL PERFORMANCE REVIEW OF THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. AND THE DUTIES OF THE DIRECTOR OF FIRE. AND THE DUTIES OF THE DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

AND CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE NEED A MOTION TO DO SO. SO MOVED.

SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MEET IN THE BACK AND CLOSE SESSION.

OKAY. WE NEED A MOTION TO GO BACK INTO OPEN SESSION.

YEAH, I'LL READ THAT. SO MOVED.

SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY, AYE. AYE. WE'LL GO BACK TO AN OPEN SESSION.

WHEREAS THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CONVENED A CLOSED MEETING ON THIS DATE, PURSUANT TO AN AFFIRMATIVE RECORDED VOTE AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS OF THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT, AND WHEREAS SECTION 2.2-3712 D OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA REQUIRES A CERTIFICATION BY THE BOARD THAT SUCH CLOSED MEETING WAS CONDUCTED IN CONFORMITY WITH VIRGINIA LAW. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT. THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HEREBY CERTIFIES THAT, TO THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE, ONLY PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS BY VIRGINIA LAW WERE DISCUSSED IN THE CLOSED MEETING TO WHICH THIS CERTIFICATION RESOLUTION APPLIES, AND ONLY SUCH PUBLIC MATTERS AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION CONVENING THE CLOSED MEETING WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED, AND CONSIDERED BY THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. SO A MOTION IS REQUIRED TO ADOPT. MOTION TO ACCEPT THAT. SECOND. WE NEED A VOICE VOTE. SUPERVISOR CORNWELL? YES. SUPERVISOR

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OKAY, THAT'S ACCEPTED. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A PERSONNEL ANNOUNCEMENT TONIGHT. THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR HAS TENDERED HIS RESIGNATION AT THE REQUEST OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND HAS BEEN ACCEPTED PURSUANT TO THE TERMS OF A SEPARATION AGREEMENT. THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR SHALL GO ON ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE IMMEDIATELY, AND HIS FORMAL SEPARATION FROM THE COUNTY SHALL BE AT THE CLOSE OF BUSINESS ON JUNE 30, 2026. WHERE HE, UH, WHEN HE WERE, OR WHEN HE TENDS TO RETIRE WITH THAT. I SHALL ENTER, UM, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE AND AUTHORIZE ME TO EXECUTE THE SEPARATION AGREEMENT AS PRESENTED TONIGHT.

SO MOVED. THERE'S A MOTION TONIGHT. IS THERE A SECOND SECOND? IT ALL? ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR, WE'LL HAVE A VOICE VOTE. CHRIS GOING WELL, YES, SUPERVISOR WHITE? YES. SUPERVISOR FAISON? YES. EDWARDS, I SAY, YES. SUPERVISOR GILLETTE? YES. OKAY. THAT'S DONE. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE.

IT'S CALLED THANK THE LORD FOR MRS. LOWE.

TO ENSURE CONFORMITY OF COUNTY ADMINISTRATION AND OPERATIONS, MS. LETTENLOH HAS AGREED TO ACCEPT APPOINTMENT AS ACTING COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. AND TO ACCEPT THE SALARY INCREASED COMMENSURATE TO THE CURRENT COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S SALARY.

EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY. AND I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO THIS EFFECT. SO MOVED. AND SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY, AYE. AYE. THANK YOU, SIR. MOTION TO ADJOURN.

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