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>> FIFTEEN YEARS AGO. 15 YEARS AGO.
[1. CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL]
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, LET'S CALL TO ORDER THIS FIRST MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES.STAND TO THE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG.
>> ALL RIGHT. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THIS BEING THE FIRST MEETING OF THE NEW YEAR, HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYBODY.
[Additional Item]
THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR MOTIONS TO ACCEPT A VOTE FOR THE NEW AND CURRENT CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD.>> I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE NOMINATE MR. DRAKE AS OUR CHAIRMAN.
>> OKAY. ALL OPPOSED? THERE BEING NONE, THE MOTION IS ACCEPTED.
>> DOES HE WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT ABOUT HIS ADMINISTRATION?
>> OH, YES. WOULD YOU LIKE TO?
>> YOU COME ON OVER AND MAKE A STATEMENT.
>> THAT WAS MUCH TOO QUICK, RIGHT?
>> THAT'S HOW WE WANT THE REST OF THE YEAR.
>> ALL RIGHT. WELL, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR VOTE OF CONFIDENCE IN ME.
BUT I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, I CAN'T DO THIS JOB WITHOUT YOU ALL, EACH ONE OF YOU.
YOU ALL MAKE THIS JOB HAPPY FOR ME, AND I WILL DO THE VERY BEST I CAN AGAIN THIS YEAR.
I HOPE OUR PLANNING COMMISSION IN SOUTHAMPTON HAS A VERY GOOD REPUTATION.
I THINK WE HAVE TO FAIR TO THE PUBLIC CONCERN THAT EVERYBODY GETS TO SPEAK AND SO WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THAT TRADITION ON AND LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH EACH ONE OF YOU.
THE SECOND ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS I WILL ENTERTAIN NOMINEES FOR VICE CHAIRMAN FOR THE COMING YEAR.
>> I HAVE A PROPER NOMINEE AND SECOND FOR MR. RANDALL.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? DID I HEAR A MOTION THAT THE NOMINATIONS BE CLOSED?
DO I HAVE A SECOND TO NOMINATIONS BEING CLOSED?
>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF MR. RANDALL SERVING AS A VICE CHAIRMAN FOR THE YEAR OF 2026, SAY AYE?
>> ANY OPPOSED, LIKE SIGN? OKAY. MR. RANDALL, CONGRATULATIONS IS UNANIMOUS, AND LOOKING FORWARD TO YOU SITTING NEXT TO ME AND I APPRECIATE YOUR CONFIDENCE.
>> I WILL SUPPORT THE ADMINISTRATOR.
>> I NEED A LOT OF SUPPORT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OKAY. NOW, THIRD ITEM WILL BE GOING TO OUR SECRETARY FOR OUR PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR AGAIN FOR NOMINATIONS FOR OUR SECRETARY FOR THE YEAR OF 2026.
>> YES. I WOULD NOMINATE MR. PRINCE.
>> OKAY. HAVE A SECOND TO MR. PRINCE.
>> I HAVE A SECOND TO THAT. OKAY.
>> I MOVE THE NOMINATIONS BE CLOSED.
>> I HAVE A MOTION THAT NOMINATION BE CLOSED.
OKAY. SO WE'LL VOTE ON MR. PRINCE, OUR SECRETARY, FOR THE YEAR 2026.
ALL IN FAVOR OF MR. PRINCE SERVING THAT CAPACITY SAY AYE.
>> ANY OPPOSED, LIKE SIGN? IT IS UNANIMOUS. CONGRATULATIONS, MR. PRINCE.
>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY.
>> I LOOK FORWARD TO WORK WITH YOU, SIR.
[2. ORGANIZATIONAL MATTERS/MEETING SCHEDULE]
IS THE MEETING SCHEDULED FOR 2026.Y'ALL SAW THAT IN YOUR PACKET.
I HOPE YOU HAD TIME TO REVIEW IT. AS MR. PRINCE NOTED THAT IN AUGUST, THAT MEETING IS PUSHED BACK TO THE THIRD THURSDAY BECAUSE OF THE COUNTY FAIR.
IS THIS SCHEDULE LOOK SATISFACTORY, BEING THE SECOND THURSDAY AT 7:00 P.M. EACH EVENING?
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>> THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD COMMENT ON, AND YES, I KNOW I'M NOT GOING TO BE THERE.
BUT JULY 9TH, IS 4TH OF JULY WEEK.
OKAY. SO I WILL NOT BE HERE THAT WEEK, AND I BET THAT WILL BE SPARSELY ATTENDED.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WANTED TO CONSIDER MOVING THAT TO THE THIRD THURSDAY.
>> BECAUSE I KNOW I'M IN PIRATES COVE, THAT'S BOOKED OUT.
>> IT'S A SATURDAY, SO ALL KIND OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE TRAVELING AND DOING THE HOLIDAY THAT NEXT WEEK.
>> I MEAN, I'M JUST POINTING THAT OUT IF IT'S NOT CHANGED.
I JUST WILL NOT BE HERE. I JUST HOPE WE HAVE A QUORUM.
>> ALL RIGHT. SO THERE'S A CONCERN ABOUT THE JULY MEETING.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS?
>> WELL, IT COULD BE AN ISSUE.
>> YEAH. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH MOVING IT TOO.
>> I'M JUST LOOKING TO SEE IF HIS HEADS NODDING OR WHATEVER.
>> YEAH. I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH MOVING IT TO THE THIRD WEEK.
>> WHILE WE'RE LOOKING FOR THAT DATE, DOES ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM MOVING IT BACK A WEEK FOR JULY? NOBODY HAS A PROBLEM WITH THAT?
THAT'S THE THIRD THURSDAY AT 7:00, RIGHT?
>> YEAH. ALL RIGHT. BUT I'M GOING TO ASK JUST TO GET IT RECORDED.
I'M GOING TO ASK FOR A MOTION THAT WE MOVE THE JULY MEETING BACK TO THE THIRD THURSDAY AS WELL, AND THAT WOULD BE JULY THE 16TH, CORRECT? IS THAT RIGHT?
>> ALL RIGHT. CAN I GET A MOTION FOR THAT?
>> THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ARE THERE THE FOURTH THURSDAY.
IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY. THE STEVEN ONE, I WAS TRYING TO GO OVER THAT ONE.
>> THAT WON'T BE, I BELIEVE IT IS DECEMBER.
>> OKAY. MR. PRINCE, I'M GOING TO ASK THAT WOULDN'T HAVE ANY REFLECTION, WOULD IT? SO FAR AS WE MOVING THAT BACK, SO FAR ANYTHING WE VOTE ON FOR THE BOARD? AS LONG AS WE KNOW AHEAD OF TIME, I GUESS?
>> AS LONG AS THAT'S BEEN RECORDED?
>> YES. YEAH. I DON'T THINK THAT WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ANYTHING THAT WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR IT, AND FORWARDING IT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO MOVE THAT MEETING TO JULY THE 16TH.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CHANGE WHAT'S ON THE RECOMMENDED PLANNING COMMISSION SCHEDULED FROM JULY 9TH TO JULY 16TH, 2026 AT SEVEN O'CLOCK.
I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE REST OF THE DATES.
DO I HAVE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION?
>> OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. DO I CALL FOR THE VOTE? ALL IN FAVOR OF ADOPTING THE SCHEDULE AS PRESENTED WITH THAT ONE CHANGE, THE JULY 9TH MEETING WILL BE HELD JULY THE 16TH? ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION, SAY AYE.
>> ANY OPPOSED, LIKE SIGN? ALL RIGHT.
[3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
ITEM 3 ON YOUR AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF THE PAST MINUTES.THE FIRST OF ALL: APPROVING THE SEPTEMBER 11TH MEETING MINUTES, AND THAT IS IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL.
REMEMBER THAT WE DID NOT HAVE A OCTOBER MEETING, CORRECT?
>> THERE WAS NO OCTOBER MEETING.
>> SO DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS, OR ANY ADDITIONS, OR CORRECTIONS TO THAT SET OF MINUTES? THAT WOULD BE?
>> WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM MS. TINA BRADSHAW, WAS THE SEPTEMBER MINUTES.
>> I BELIEVE IT WAS ONE OR TWO ITEMS, BUT THEY WERE CORRECTED AND SIGNED.
>> THEY WERE CORRECTED, RIGHT.
>> YES. IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR NOVEMBER 13TH MINUTES, AND LOOK DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF PAGE 1,
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I THINK YOU'LL SEE THAT REFERENCE TO THE SEPTEMBER 11TH MEETING.I THINK IT WASN'T REALLY ANYTHING CHANGED, IT JUST WASN'T INCLUDED.
>> DOES EVERYBODY REMEMBER THAT FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING? IT WAS STATING THAT, WELL, MR. MANN, HE HAD ASKED THAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY REVIEW AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
>> YOU'RE ON THE DECEMBER OR THE NOVEMBER MINUTES?
>> IT'S THE NOVEMBER 13TH MEETING, BUT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE, IT'S REFERRING BACK TO THAT SEPTEMBER 11TH MEETING.
>> IT WAS A CORRECTION MADE IN THAT MEETING ABOUT THOSE MINUTES.
SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS GET THAT SQUARED AWAY.
I READ THROUGH IT, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THAT IS CORRECTED.
>> YEAH. SEPTEMBER MINUTE MEETINGS WERE CORRECTED AND I BELIEVE SIGNED.
>> WE JUST NEED TO GO THROUGH IT JUST FORMALLY A VOTE TO APPROVE THOSE MINUTES.
>> DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS? EVERYBODY SEES LOOKING AT IT.
THAT ONE PARAGRAPH IS WHAT WAS AT STATE.
IF THERE'S NO COMMENTS OR CORRECTIONS, I'M GOING TO ASK FOR A MOTION.
MR. PRINCE, IT'S ACTUALLY THE NOVEMBER 13TH SET OF MINUTES, CORRECT?
>> THE CORRECTION WAS MADE THAT ITEM CAME UP FROM THE SEPTEMBER 11TH AT THAT NOVEMBER MEETING, CORRECT?
>> SO ACTUALLY, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS THAT WAS THE ITEM THAT WAS AT A DISCRETION, BUT WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING IS APPROVING THE NOVEMBER 13TH MEETING, THE ENTIRE PACKAGE.
>> CORRECT. THE WHOLE PACKAGE, RIGHT.
>> BUT THE CHANGE THAT WAS MADE WAS REFERRING ACTUALLY TO THE 11TH SEPTEMBER MEETING.
>> THAT WAS THE PROBLEM WITH THAT.
>> EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THAT NOW? I KNOW IT'S KIND OF A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING, BUT ANYWAY, I GOT TO BRING US UP TO THE DECEMBER MEETING.
NOW, AGAIN, IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? IF NOT, I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION THAT THE NOVEMBER 13TH MINUTES BE APPROVED AS PRESENTED.
>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
THANK YOU, MR. [INAUDIBLE]. OKAY. AGAIN, IS ANY OTHER COMMENTS? IF NOT, THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO ASK FOR A SHOW OF HANDS FOR THE APPROVAL.
SO ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
OKAY. SO THE MOTION THAT PASSES. ALL RIGHT.
NOW, LET'S GO TO THE DECEMBER MINUTES.
I HOPE YOU'VE HAD TIME TO READ IT.
I KNOW RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THE MINUTES, BUT MR. PRINCE, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU IN A MINUTE, DID YOU FOLLOW UP ON MR. MANN'S REQUEST? BUT WE'LL GET TO THAT IN A SECOND.
BUT THAT WAS MENTIONED AT LAST MINUTE, SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE VOTING ON THE MINUTES FROM THE DECEMBER MEETING.
BUT THAT WAS ONE REQUEST THAT WENT FORWARD.
I'LL LET YOU FOLLOW UP ON THAT IN A SECOND.
I DID NOT SPOT ANYTHING, I DID THE ORDINARY THING THAT LOOKED GOOD TO ME. ALL RIGHT.
>> YOU DID NOT GET A COPY OF DECEMBER.
DECEMBER, OH, I DIDN'T HAVE ONE EITHER.
>> YEAH, IT JUMPED OUT OF MY PACKAGE.
>> WELL, MR. PRINCE, I'M GOING TO STOP RIGHT HERE.
>> GIVE THEM A CHANCE JUST TO KIND OF GLIDE THROUGH THAT. IT'S PART OF THE THING.
WERE YOU ABLE TO CONTACT MR. ERIC GREGORY?
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>> I DID NOT CONTACT HIM, BUT I DID TALK TO BRIAN THROWER ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF ERIC GREGORY ATTENDING EITHER IN PERSON OR BY PHONE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES.
HE HAD MENTIONED THAT THERE'S A STANDING CONFLICT.
THAT MR. GREGORY HAS A STANDING CONFLICT WITH ANOTHER CLIENT TO ATTEND THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS.
>> WELL, I THINK THE QUESTION, AND MR. MANN, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO JOIN IN.
JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT THAT TECHNICALITY WE HAD WITHIN MINUTES, HAVE WE DONE EVERYTHING CORRECTLY?
>> BASICALLY, IS WHAT I WAS ASKING YOU.
>> YOU JUST WANT TO GET HIS BLESSING ON, YOU MIGHT AS WELL.
>> ON EMAIL IT'S A WRITTEN DOCUMENTATION FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.
>> ARE WE GOOD THEN? IS THAT SATISFACTORY TO EVERYBODY?
>> JUST TO BE SURE WE GOT THE RECORD CORRECT.
>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD THEN.
>> ALL RIGHT. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION NOW THAT WE ACCEPT THE SUMMER 11TH MINUTES AS PRESENTED.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DECEMBER MINUTES.
>> THANK YOU. A PROPER MOTION BY MR. RANDALL. DO I HEAR A SECOND?
>> MISS ALSTOM, I'LL GIVE YOU CREDIT FOR THAT ONE.
WE CHANGED UP A LITTLE BIT. AT A PROPER SECOND.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, IF NOT, CALL HER TO VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF ACCEPTING OR APPROVING THE DECEMBER 11 MINUTES, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
>> AND STOP, YOU'RE SWITCHING IT UP.
>> IT LOOKS LIKE I DID, WITH THE REFORM, AND I'M TRYING TO GET USED TO DOING THE HAND SIGN, SO I KNOW I DID VERBAL STUFF TO START WITH.
>> I'M JUST GETTING ON YOU TO MAKE SURE YOUR ADMINISTRATIONS GET.
WELL. CAN I ASK- I KNOW I'M MIXING MINUTES.
I MEAN, WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED IT, BUT I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.
OKAY. WE'RE CALLING THE DISTRICT SOUTHWEST, CENTRAL, NORTHWEST.
RIGHT. IS THAT REQUIRED? I WAS TRYING TO LOOK STATUTORILY BUT I UNDERSTAND WHY I KNOW I UNDERSTAND THE VOTE AND WE'RE ELIMINATING.
BUT I JUST MISS LIKE, BOYKIN DISTRICT.
SADLY CORTLAND IT JUST I DON'T KNOW.
BUT IS THAT DO WE HAVE TO CALL IT THE SOUTHWEST? BUT I COULDN'T FIND ANY STATUTE THAT SAID THAT.
>> WE WENT 7-5, AND THAT WAS THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD THEY DECIDED TO RENAME THAT EXIST.
>> BUT WHO DECIDED? THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO KNOW.
WAS IT REDISTRICTED COMMITTEE? THERE WAS A COMMITTEE THAT DROPPED ALL THOSE OTHER NAMES.
YOU WERE ON THE COMMITTEE? GENERAL ASSEMBLY, WASN'T IT? OKAY.
>> BUT THERE'S NO PROHIBITION.
I'M JUST HYPOTHETICALLY, RIGHT? TO RENAME THEM, THEY COULD BE THE BIG BACH DISTRICT AND THE LARGER MATH BAST.
I MEAN, I'M JUST IT COULD BE JUST SAYING THERE'S NO STATUTORY PROVISION THAT THEY HAVE TO BE THE SOUTHWEST AND NORTHWEST.
>> BUT THAT IS THE VOTING DISTRICT NOW.
USED TO BE A NUISANCE AND BOYKIN BRANCHVILLE DISTRICT AND CAPER GREVILLE DISTRICT.
BUT NOW THAT I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT COMES FROM.
SO I LIVE IN THE RENAISSANCE AREA, BUT NOT NECESSARILY NEWS DISTRICT? I LIVE IN THE SEDLEY AREA.
NEWS WENT BOYKIN AND BRANCHVILLE WENT IN CAPER.
>> I JUST READ THE MINUTES EACH TIME, AND I'M LIKE.
WHAT IS THE SOUTH AVESTA? I GUESS IT'S SAYING MORE IMPORTANT. I DON'T KNOW.
REALLY, NOTHING REALLY I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T LIKE IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE TO LIKE EVERYTHING.
SO, ADAM NUMBER FOUR IS A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
I'LL OPEN THAT UP. I GO THROUGH YOUR PROCEDURE.
IF ANYBODY LIKE TO COME FORWARD.
ANYBODY'S INSURANCE DEFAULT COME FORWARD? YOU ALL GOT IN THE THING IN YOUR MIND? THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT,
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BY THE WAY. ALL RIGHT.NOBODY ELSON IS IN ATTENDANCE, SO WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMIA.
NO PUBLIC HEARINGS WERE SCHEDULED TONIGHT.
WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT LITTLE BIT OF UNFINISHED BUSINESS, AND THAT'S THAT'S SQUARED AWAY NOW.
SO WE GOT NEW BUSINESS. SO MR.
[7. NEW BUSINESS]
PRINCE, I'M GOING TO LET YOU ELABORATE ON THE FLOOD CLAIM ORDINANCE.YOU SHOULD HAVE IN YOUR PACKAGE, I THINK I GOT EVERYBODY, THE MODEL FLOODPLAIN ORDINANCE THAT THE COUNTY NEEDS TO ADOPT.
AND THAT'S PER DEPARTMENT OF CONSERVATION RECREATION.
THIS IS AND THIS IS SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY IS A PARTICIPANT IN THE NATIONAL FLOODPLAIN FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM RUN BY FMA.
AND FMA HAS ALREADY SENT US UPDATED FLOOD MAPS.
AND AS LONG WITH THE FLOOD INSURANCE STUDY THAT DEALS WITH THE FLOOD MAPS.
THEY ARE EFFECTIVE MARCH OF, I THINK, MARCH 17, MARCH 17 OF 2026 THIS YEAR.
SO WE NEED TO ADOPT THE MODEL FLOODPLAIN ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE NEW MAPS.
SO WE NEED TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE BEFORE THE MAPS EFFECTIVE DATE, WHICH IS IN MARCH.
SO WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS DEPARTMENT OF CONSERVATION RECREATION HAS FORWARDED THIS MODEL FLOODPLAIN ORDINANCE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO ADOPT.
AND, OF COURSE, STARTING WITH US BECAUSE THE FLOODPLAIN FALLS UNDER THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO GO BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO READ ALL OF IT.
IT'S PRETTY KIND OF STANDARD LANGUAGE.
I HAVE TABBED A COUPLE OF AREAS THAT I KNOW WILL BE ADJUSTED BY FMA ALREADY.
AND IF YOU WANT TO GO TO PAGE TEN OF THIS ORDINANCE, THE FLOODPLAIN, THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS THAT ARE ALREADY HIGHLIGHTED IN RED, WHICH I WILL GO THROUGH THE DOCUMENT AND CHANGE TO BLACK, YOU KNOW, MEANING THAT WITH OUR NEXT MEETING, THAT'LL BE THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE THAT WILL BE USED.
SOME OF IT IS JUST A SIMPLE THING AS JUST INSERTING THE WORD SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY IN IT.
BUT ON AREAS ON PAGE TEN, AND OTHER AREAS, I'LL REFERENCE A LITTLE FURTHER ON.
SOME OF THE ELEVATIONS WILL CHANGE FROM 18" TO 24".
FMA ALREADY KNOWS THEY NEED TO MAKE THIS ADJUSTMENT NOW TO ACCOUNT FOR SEA LEVEL RISE.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GO FROM 18" TO 24" WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE FREEBOARD DISTANCE BETWEEN THE BASE FLOOD AND THE BOTTOM OF YOUR FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION.
SO RIGHT NOW, THE REQUIREMENT IS 18".
IF YOU WERE BUILDING A HOUSE IN A FLOODPLAIN, YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT 18".
BUT BECAUSE THE SEA LEVEL RISE, THEY ALREADY KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO INCREASE IT TO 24".
SO I'M TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF THAT.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND MAKE ANOTHER REVISION, YOU KNOW.
>> SO IS THAT GOING TO PUT PEOPLE IN THE FLOODPLAIN?
>> IF THEY ELECT TO IF PEOPLE ARE ALREADY IN THE FLOODPLAIN, AND LET'S SAY, FOR INSTANCE, THEY HAVE SOME KIND OF SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE DURING A HURRICANE EVENT, OR SOME KIND OF FLOODING EVENT.
WHEN THEY GO BACK TO BUILD THAT HOUSE AGAIN, THEY'LL HAVE TO GO MAINTAIN A 24" FREEBOARD DISTANCE BETWEEN THE BASE FLOOD AND THE BOTTOM OF THE FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION.
>> MY THING IS WHEN THEY CHANGE IT IN MARCH AND GO 18-24".
IS THAT GOING AND THEY'VE GOT A MORTGAGE, OR THEY GOING TO HAVE TO BUY FLOOD INSURANCE BECAUSE YOU'VE RAISED IT 6"?
>> NO. IT WILL ACTUALLY HELP WITH THE FLOOD INSURANCE RATE BECAUSE THEY
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ALREADY EXCEED WHAT'S PROBABLY IN THE OTHER ORDINANCES AND OTHER LOCALITIES.WE'RE ALREADY AHEAD OF THE GAME.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND REVISE THE ORDINANCE AGAIN JUST FOR A SIMPLE REVISION.
SO THAT IS THE CONVERSATION THEY'RE HAVING BETWEEN FMA AND HR PDC, YOU KNOW, THE PLANNING DISTRICT COUNT.
SO THEY ALREADY ARE TALKING ABOUT MAKING THE CHANGE.
IT'S JUST THAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO IT.
>> SO THE BASE FLOOD LEVEL IS GOING TO STAY THE SAME?
>> YES. THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION STAYS THE SAME.
YES. IT'S JUST THAT WHEN YOU GO BACK TO BUILD A HOUSE, IT WILL HAVE TO BE 24". OKAY.
>> SO, MR. PRINCE IS I'M GO TO CALL IT THE FOOTPRINT OF THE FLOOD PLAIN TODAY.
IS IT GOING TO BE THE SAME FOOTPRINT AFTER MARCH, OR WOULD IT BE EXPANDED?
FOR SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, IT PRETTY MUCH STAYS THE SAME.
>> WHAT I'M HEARING IS, IF PEOPLE EXPERIENCE DAMAGE DUE TO FLOODING, AND IF THEY HAD TO REBUILD, GET A PERMIT, OR THEY HAD TO REBUILD, THEY'LL HAD TO RAISE INDEPENDENT.
>> AND THAT'S THE NEW CONSTRUCTION TOO?
>> AND NEW CONSTRUCTION AS WELL.
RIGHT. EXISTING AND CONSTRUCTION, WHAT HAPPENED HERE TO A 24" FREEBOARD DIFFERENCE.
>> SO IF I COULD BUTT IN A LITTLE? YEAH. SO WE JUST DID THE COURTHOUSE? YEAH. IF THIS WAS IN THERE, THIS ADDITIONAL ELEVATION.
WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO ELEVATE THE COURTHOUSE.
AND IF WE FOLLOWED THE SAME LOGIC THAT PORTMOUTHS FOLLOWS, WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO RAISE THE EXISTING COURTHOUSE WITH IT.
>> THIS IS NOT JUST A SIMPLE LITTLE NO BIG DEAL.
RIGHT. AND YOU ARE ABOVE THE FLOAT ELEVATION.
YOU HAVE TO BRING AN ADDITIONAL 18" OF MATERIAL ON SITE.
TO ELEVATE YOUR PORTSMOUTH HAS 36 ".
AND MOST OF PORTSMOUTH, THEY CAN'T THEY'RE PREVENTING REDEVELOPMENT IN PORTSMOUTH BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TEAR DOWN TEN TEN-STORY BUILDING, AND THEN REBUILD IT THREE FEET HIGHER.
RIGHT. IT'S IT'S A LOT MORE THAN PEOPLE WERE THINKING IT IS.
SO ON NEW DEVELOPMENT, IT'S A PILE OF MONEY.
YES. POURED INTO THAT FOUNDATION.
BUT I THOUGHT OLD CONSTRUCTION WAS GRANDFATHERED IN.
UNTIL YOU'RE REBUILDING? YES. UNTIL YOU'RE REDOING.
YOU GO IN AND, HEY, I WANT TO TAKE THIS OLD HOTEL AND TURN INTO AN OFFICE BUILDING.
CHANGE IN USE. RIGHT? IT DOES DOWN.
IT CHANGE IN USE MIGHT DO IT, BUT ADDING ON TO OLD CONSTRUCTION.
YOU DO HAVE EXEMPTIONS FOR THAT.
YOU GOT AN OLD HIGH IN THOSE AREAS. YEAH.
>> YOU CAN ADD ONTO THE OLD HIGHS WITHOUT HAVING TO JACK THE OLD IS UP.
WELL, THAT WOULD GO THROUGH REAGAN TALK. YEAH.
>> IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH US.
IF YOU EXCEED MORE THAN 50% SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE, SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENT, THEN THAT'S A WHOLE ANOTHER CRITERIA.
SO YOU'D HAVE TO ELEVATE THE HOUSE.
IN ORDER AND ALSO YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT YOU MAY HAVE TO ELEVATE THE HOUSE TO REDUCE YOUR REPETITIVE LOSS, DAMAGES FROM REPETITIVE LOSS.
SO, DEPENDING ON THE SITUATION, YES, YOU WOULD HAVE TO ELEVATE.
YOU CAN APPLY BECAUSE I'M GOING THROUGH THIS NOW ON THE PIECE THAT I'M DEVELOPING BEHIND HARDY'S, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A MATHEMATICAL FORMULA.
SO WE'RE APPLYING TO GET THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN.
AND THE NUMBERS, A GOOD ENGINEER, YOU KNOW, CAN TELL YOU, ARE YOU WASTING YOUR TIME OR DOES THE MATH WORK? AND THEN, YOU KNOW, FOR COMMERCIAL, YOU HAVE TO HIT FLOOD INSURANCE, WHICH IS VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, BUILDING OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, FOR COMMERCIAL, THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO WANT IT BUILT UP REGARDLESS, AND THEN YOU CAN APPLY TO HAVE IT REMOVED? CORRECT. AND THEN YOU DO A COST BENEFIT OF WHAT'S BEST FOR YOUR PROPERTY, WHATEVER YOU'RE BUILDING?
SO YOU'RE COMING UP TO THE FLOOD PLAIN.
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YOU GOT TO ADD ANOTHER FOOT AND A HALF YEAH.SO YOU'RE ALREADY SPENDING ALL THAT MONEY TO GET WHERE YOU NEED TO BE.
AND NOW WE'RE GETTING READY TO VOTE ON 18" AS BEING FOR PORTSMOUTH WHO DIDN'T LOOK AT IT AT ALL AND JUST SAID, OH, LET'S DO THREE FEET, NOT REALIZING HOW MUCH DAMAGE THEY WERE DOING INTO ACCESS.
WE'RE GOING TO KEEP EVERYBODY SAFE. IT'S NOT GOING TO FLOOD.
BUT THEN WE'RE STIFLING BUSINESS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD THE SITE WORK AND THE SAND AND THE GRAVEL.
ACT. BECAUSE ALL THOSE INCHES COST MONEY.
I MEAN, 20 FEET OR 20" FOR A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE IS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.
>> YEAH. AND, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO ENCOURAGE ALL DEVELOPMENT TO STAY OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE THING WE TRY TO DO, BUT IN.
>> THAT'S HARD IN SOUTHAMPTON BECAUSE, AT LEAST WHAT PEOPLE THEY KIND OF OVERDONE THE FLOODPLAIN IN SOUTHAMPTON.
I MEAN, IS THAT I MEAN, I'M NOT TRYING TO DESPAIR IT, BUT I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF DESIGNATED FLOOD AREAS THAT ARE NOT REALLY FLOOD AREAS, IF THAT? AND I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT IS, BUT IT IS, THE WAY IT IS.
LIKE, THERE'S A LOT OF PROPERTY THAT COULD BE TAKEN OUT.
>> RIGHT. LIKE I SAID, GOING BACK TO THE COST FACTOR, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE NEED TO, SOMETIMES IT'S COST PROHIBITIVE FOR SOME, YOU KNOW, AND SOME CAN AFFORD TO GO THROUGH THE ADDITIONAL COST OF HIRING THE RIGHT PROFESSIONALS, TO, LIKE I SAID, TO TAKE THAT PROPERTY OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN.
>> SO THIS 18" IS WHAT WE HAVE PRESENTLY.
CORRECT. IS THE STATE REQUIRING US TO GO TO 24", OR Y'ALL JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S BEST TO GO TO 24"?
>> I THINK IT'S BEST TO GO TO 24 BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S WHAT FMA IS ULTIMATELY GOING TO ASK EVERYBODY TO DO.
>> ALL RIGHT. SO WAS ANY OF THE ELEVATIONS CHANGED IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY? NO ELEVATIONS HAD CHANGED.
AND I ASKED THAT QUESTION BECAUSE SOME CHANGED IN NORTH CAROLINA.
AND I GOT THAT FROM A SURVEY, AND I MEAN, AND I GUESS IT WAS FROM MORE ACCURATE.
>> COMPUTER WORK AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THERE WAS ACTUALLY ELEVATIONS THAT CHANGED TO THE POINT THAT IT TOOK PEOPLE OUT OF THE FLOOD ZONE.
SOME OF THE ELEVATIONS IN THE MAGNETS CHANGED TREMENDOUSLY.
I'M BRINGING THAT UP BECAUSE IT CAME UP IN A CONVERSATION.
I WAS CURIOUS IF WE HAD ANYTHING IN THIS AREA THAT THE ACTUAL ELEVATION THAT THEY'VE ALWAYS USED, THEY DECIDED WAS DIFFERENT.
>> I THINK MOST OF THE ELEVATION STAYED THE SAME BECAUSE THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH DEVELOPMENT IN SOUTH AMP COUNTY, LARGE DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD ALTER THE FLOODPLAIN IN THE COUNTY.
WE HAVE A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, WHICH LARGELY STAYS OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN.
WE'VE ONLY SEEN MAYBE ONE OR TWO PEOPLE DO ANY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE FLOODPLAIN.
BUT THOSE PEOPLE HAD FINANCIAL MEANS TO ELEVATE HOMES AND DO ALL KINDS OF THINGS, MAJORITY OF PEOPLE JUST PREFER TO STAY OUT OF FLOODPLAINS AND OUT OF WETLANDS.
>> I GATHERED FROM THIS INDIVIDUAL THAT THE ELEVATION THAT WE'VE ALWAYS USED, THEY CORRECTED.
THEY MIGHT SAY IT WAS 33B ABOVE SEA LEVEL.
THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING IF THE BASELINE CHANGED ITSELF.
AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE LIMITED OR NO DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE FLOOD PLAIN,.
>> I REALIZED THAT, BUT DEVELOPMENT IN THE FLOAT PLANE OR NOT IN THE FLOAT PLANE, IT WOULDN'T AFFECT ELEVATIONS THAT'S ACTUALLY BEING PULLED OFF SATELLITE.
THAT'S WHERE I'M GETTING AT. THESE WERE ELEVATIONS THAT WERE.
>> I GET THE IMPRESSION IT WAS LIKE BACK IN THE DAY AND MAYBE THE 60S WHEN SOME OF THESE WERE DONE, THEY HAD BLU SKY, LIKE THE APPRAISAL COMPANY GO OUT AND THEY RANDOMLY DID THE WET THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD BY I'M TRYING TO THINK WHO TOLD ME THAT, BUT IT WAS ONE OF THE OLD SCHOOL ENGINEERS THAT TOLD ME SOMETHING THAT IT WAS SOME COMPANY THAT DID THAT AND THEY GOT SOME OF IT RIGHT AND SOME OF IT WRONG.
ISN'T IT CAUSE EVEN ANY SMALL SCALE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, YOU CAN PRETTY MUCH EXPECT A BMP POND,
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AND THE BMP POND IS FOR ALL THE RUNOFF, SO IT DOESN'T IMPACT ANY OF THE WET LANDS AND THE ELEVATION.THEY I DON'T WANT TO SAY OVERDO IT NOW, BUT THEY MAKE SURE THE OWNER SPENDS THE MONEY TO [LAUGHTER] DO NOT IMPACT THE WETLANDS OR ANY OF THE FROGS AND TURTLES AND BATS.
I THINK THAT IS DONE AND IF YOU MESSED WITH THE FROG TURTLES OR THE BATS, YOU ARE IN BIG BIG TROUBLE?
NO STYROFOAM IN THE NOAWAY RIVER?
>> EXACTLY. WE'VE DONE AWAY WITH THAT ISSUE.
[LAUGHTER] FAMOUS ALREADY SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO GO TO 24.
THEY'RE GOING AND TRY TO PUSH THAT THIS YEAR OR FIVE.
>> I MAY BE THIS YEAR OR NEXT YEAR.
>> I HAD A QUESTION BECAUSE THIS SAYS THIS IS A JULY 2017 VERSION OF THIS DOCUMENT.
OTHER THAN THE ITEMS THAT ARE IN RED, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S THEY'RE THE ONLY CHANGES THAT ARE GOING TO BE MADE TO THIS DOCUMENT.
MAYBE NOW THE 24 INCH OR REQUIREMENT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S AN OLD DOCUMENT.
I'M JUST WONDERING, ARE THERE OTHER IS THERE SOMETHING MORE CURRENT THAT'S BEEN PREPARED?
THIS WAS THE MODEL ORDINANCE THAT WAS FORWARDED TO ME FROM DCR, TO VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF CONSERVATION RECREATION.
THEY SAID THIS TO ME EARLIER THIS YEAR.
>> BUT MISS ALTON, IF YOU REMEMBER, I THINK THIS HAS BEEN ONGOING FOR QUITE A WHILE.
WE'RE JUST GETTING OUR HANDS ON IT.
BECAUSE ACTUALLY MISS BETH LEWIS, WHEN SHE WAS HERE, REMEMBER WHEN SHE LEFT HER RETIREMENT.
SHE GAVE US A LIST OF SOME UNDONE BUSINESS. YOU MIGHT SAY.
THIS IS ONE OF THOSE TOPICS THAT IT WOULD BE FORTHCOMING.
MR. PRINCE HAS JUST HAS JUST GOTTEN IT.
THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ENTERED INTO A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
>> I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING.
I THOUGHT THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE CHANGES MADE OR ALREADY OTHER THAN THE FEW THAT ARE LISTED.
THERE ARE THINGS LIKE LISTING THE NAME OF THE COMMUNITY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
EXCEPT AT THE END OF THIS DOCUMENT.
THEN YOU SEE A FEW OTHER THINGS THAT ARE MORE EXPANDED.
YOU KNOW, BUT TO ME, I THINK AFTER NINE YEARS, THERE'S A LOT.
DID YOU THINK ABOUT THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO CHANGE? THAT WAS THE ONLY.
>> I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN THEY REVIEW.
THIS I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TEN, 15.
I REALLY DON'T KNOW. I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION. BUT, MR. PRINCE, IF WE MAKE A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION AND THEN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ADOPT IT.
WILL IT GO INTO OUR CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN?
>> WHEN IT DOES, YES, WE WILL.
I CAN ADD THIS TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AGAIN, FOR TONIGHT, WE JUST WANT TO HAVE GENERAL DISCUSSION.
I'LL PUT IT TO A PUBLIC HEARING.
FOR OUR FEBRUARY MEETING, AND THEN FOR RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD SUPERVISORS AT THAT TIME.
BUT THIS IS JUST FOR GENERAL DISCUSSION HERE.
WHAT I WOULD DO IS IN ADDITION TO MAKING THE 24 INCH CHANGE.
I'LL GO BACK TO HR PDC, VERIFY THAT YES, THIS IS WHAT FMA WANTS TO DO IN THE COMING YEAR OR IN THE FUTURE BEFORE, ACTUALLY JUST GO AHEAD AND MAKING THAT CHANGE.
I WILL DOUBLE CHECK WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS LOOK AT THIS MODEL ORDINANCE AND SEE COMBINED WITH OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE AND SEE HOW I CAN BLEND SOME OF THAT TOGETHER, TO SEE HOW WE CAN HAVE MORE OF A COMPREHENSIVE FLOODPLAIN ORDINANCE, KIND OF MANAGE MERGE WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AND INTEGRATE SOME OF THESE REQUIREMENTS HERE?
>> I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO SHOW US THE CHANGES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED.
WE WOULD KNOW EXACTLY LOOK FOR. THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
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>> THAT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW, DO WE HAVE ANY LATITUDE TO GO LOWER THAN IN THE 18".
>> I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE THE STANDARD. THAT'S THE MINIMUM.
HR PDC AND FMA AND DCR ARE ALWAYS THEY ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE EFFECTS OF SEA LEVEL RISE AS IT RELATES TO RIVERINE FLOODING THAT WE HAVE HERE IN THE COUNTY.
THE 18'' MINIMUM IS GOING TO BE THE MINIMUM.
>> MY REASON FOR ASKING THAT, IS I'VE BEEN GOING TO NAGS HEAD FOR 63 YEARS.
I UNDERSTAND THERE'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF BEACH EROSION, BUT NEXT IT IS STILL THERE.
SEA LEVEL RISE IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I HAVE WITNESSED.
THE FLOOD ELEVATIONS ON THE MAPS ACROSS THE BOARD ARE STAYING THE SAME.
THEY HAVEN'T GONE FROM A FLOOD ELEVATION OF 25 TO NOW 25 6". THEY'RE STILL AT 25.
THEY HAVEN'T CHANGED. THIS IS KIND OF AN ARTIFICIAL THING.
THE PART OF PROBLEM THAT I'M HAVING WITH IT.
IN PARTICULAR, IN MY BUSINESS AND DEVELOPMENT IS WHEN THE FLOOD ELEVATION IS 10, MY PROPERTY ISN'T 11.
I STILL HAVE TO ABIDE BY THIS AND RAISE THAT PROPERTY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT IN THE FLOOD ZONE.
STILL HAVE TO RAISE THAT FINISHED FLOOR UP ABOVE THE FLOOD ZONE ADJACENT TO IT.
I'M JUST VERY RELUCTANT TO PUT ANY ARTIFICIAL ADDITIONAL.
JUST BECAUSE IT JUST RUNS THE COST UP.
I DON'T SEE ANY BENEFIT IN IT. I'M SURE THERE IS.
>> LIKE I SAID, I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH DCR.
>> YOU SAID IT SO ELOQUENTLY KIND OF WHAT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER YEARS BEFORE IT COMES THROUGH,.
>> WE'RE PUTTING SOMETHING HERE THAT CAN A RIFLE OUT CONSTRUCTION HERE.
RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS WETLANDS INSIDE IN M CANA.
IT'S STINK AND DRY RIGHT THERE THAT I HAD SOMEBODY COME THROUGH WITH THE POWER COMPANY.
THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT'S DOING WORK TO MARK WETLANDS.
THEY WERE HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME BARKING THEM. I LIVE IN THE SWAMP.
THEY JUST MADE THE STATEMENT, WE CAN'T TELL WHERE THE WETLANDS ARE.
MY IMMEDIATE THOUGHT WAS, YOU'RE TRAINED TO LOOK AT THE TREES AND THE BUSHES.
STUFF YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE REST OF THE STUFF AND TELL WHERE THE WETLANDS ARE.
I DIDN'T SAY THAT. YOU CAN IT'S JUST DRY.
THEN WE COME AND TALK ABOUT ADDING STUFF HIGHER THAN WHAT WE'RE USED TO.
I DON'T WANT TO STIFLE CONSTRUCTION INSIDE OF M CANA.
THAT'S TO SAY THAT WE HAD A FLOOD IN 1940, AND WE HAD ONE IN 1999.
>> BUT I THINK THE MAIN THING.
>> THING AIN'T OVER PLANNING FOR.
>> BUT WE DO WANT TO ENSURE IS THAT IF IT WASN'T AN EVENT, A FLOOD EVENT, TO HAPPEN.
YOU WOULDN'T WANT A FAMILY OR FAMILIES TO GET KICKED OUT BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT PAYING THE PROPER THEY'D HAVE THE PROPER INSURANCE, OR THE PROPER PREMIUM OR WHATEVER, IF THEY WERE IN THAT ZONE AND THEN THEY GOT FLOODED, AND THEN THEY WERE KICKED OUT OF THE PROGRAM, DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING.
YOU WOULDN'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN? BUT THERE'S NO NEED IN PUTTING A LOT OF EXTRADITION COST TO DEVELOPERS.
WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS TO BE SURE THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE TO BE SURE THAT THEY WON'T BE KICKED OUT OF THE SYSTEM BECAUSE YOU KNOW YOU HEAR A LOT OF INSURANCE IS REALLY FUNNY ABOUT FLOODING.
WHAT IS FLOODING? IS IT THE RAINWATER? IS IT THE RISING WATER? YOU KNOW QUESTIONABLE LIKE RUNNING FROM A STORM THAT RICH, EXACTLY.
ABOUT THE BLACK WATER FLOODING FLOW WHEN THE WATER COMES TO YOU, HOW YOU'RE FLOODED OUT.
BUT IT DEPENDS ON HOW IT COMES.
>> FLOODING DUE TO PIPING OR PLUMBING ISSUE VERSUS NATURAL DISASTER.
>> IS THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR MR. PRINCE? YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING?
>> YES. NEXT MONTH. I'D LIKE TO TAKE THAT TO
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TAKE THIS TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS LATER IN THE MONTH.>> NOW, YOU'RE GOING TO SEND US ANY MORE CORRESPONDENCE SO FAR AS THE COMPARISON TO WHAT WE HAVE AND THE CHANGES, OR IS THAT SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT AT THE MEETING?
>> I'M TRYING TO GET THAT DONE BEFORE THE MEETING.
>> YOU SEND IN THE PACKET, OKAY?
>> YES. I TRY TO SEND SOMETHING BEFORE THE.
>> IS THERE ANY OTHER REQUESTS FOR MR. PRINCE?
>> MR. MANN BROUGHT UP A LITTLE BIT AGO ABOUT AN EXPANSION ON AN EXISTING OLDER HOME, MAYBE A REPAIR WORK ON THAT.
ON PAGE 19, IT'S GOT THAT 50% OF THE STRUCTURES VALUE.
WHAT HAPPENS AND WHAT WE'VE PUMPED INTO RECENTLY IN THE LAST 20 YEARS IS I'VE GOT AN OLDER STRUCTURE WHICH STILL FUNCTIONS JUST FINE, FARM BUILDING OR WHATEVER.
I'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF DAMAGE TO IT, BUT CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND MATERIALS ARE SO EXPENSIVE NOW, THAT CAN BARELY EVEN LOOK AT IT WITHOUT EXCEEDING 50%.
ARE WE ABLE TO INCREASE THAT 50% NUMBER TO 75%.
IT'S SOMETHING I THINK WE SHOULD ALL THINK ABOUT AND LOOK AT.
>> CAN WE DO THAT BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE RATHER THAN VALUE?
>> THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD ONE, TOO.
I CAN UNDERSTAND THE VALUE TARGET, BUT IT'S JUST WE STILL HAVE FUNCTIONAL STRUCTURES THAT HAVE NOT MUCH ACTUAL APPRAISAL VALUE, BUT ANY LITTLE BIT OF CONSTRUCTION YOU DO TO IT.
>> TRYING TO KEEP THE HISTORY OF SIMON MCKENNA AND KEEP OLD STRUCTURES FROM HAVING TO MEET A BULLDOZER.
YOU GO TO EDENTON, AND YOU GO TO CERTAIN PLACES AT THE HISTORIES THERE.
>> YOU JUST PAID THEM AND KEEP SAYING THAT'S RIGHT.
>> I LOOK AT FOOTAGE THEN THE VALUE OF IT, REALLY.
>> I THINK WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO IS WHERE THEY GET THIS 50% FROM IS THAT'S FM MODEL FOR SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENT, SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE, THRESHOLD.
>> BUT I THINK THAT'S A MODEL THAT THEY'VE COME UP WITH, AND I CAN SEND YOU SOME INFORMATION ABOUT SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE, SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENT, JUST SO YOU CAN BE FAMILIAR WITH IT.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE THAT 50% CAME FROM PART OF THEIR PROGRAM.
>> YOU DON'T THINK THAT CAN BE CHANGED?
>> I DON'T THINK SO. NO. NOT AS NOT AS PARTICIPANTS IN THE FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM.
>> SAY YOU GET AN OLDER HOUSE, AND ONE OF MY BUSINESS PARTNERS IS GOING THROUGH THIS ON A HOUSE ON RIVER ROAD.
YOU PROBABLY KNOW WHICH ONE I'M TALKING AND THE HOUSE IS ESSENTIALLY WORTHLESS, BUT IT HAS AN APPRAISAL OF SOME NOMINAL AMOUNT OF 45,000.
YOU GET SIDING, YOU GET REPLACEMENT WINDOWS.
YOU'RE LOOKING JUST REPLACEMENT WINDOWS, YOU'RE LOOKING 15,000.
SO YOU'RE THERE. YOU DO SIDE AND YOU CAN PLAY WITH THE NUMBERS.
I GET THAT YOU'RE GETTING BUDGET WINDOWS OR WHATEVER. WHAT DO YOU DO? IF YOU'RE SPENDING THE MONEY, INCREASING THE APPRAISAL, AND YOU GO PAST THE 50%.
DO YOU HAVE TO JUST BULLDOZE IT AND START FROM SCRATCH? WHAT'S THE REMEDY?
>> NOW, I'LL SEE YOU THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE ESSENTIAL. IT'S A BOOKLET.
>> SAY IT 75%, AND YOU HAVE TO SPEND THAT, AND YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY IT'S A BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING FROM 45, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF DILAPIDATED PROPERTIES THAT ARE APPRAISING 45,000 BECAUSE I'VE SEEN THEM ON VENMO NET.
ONCE YOU REMODEL IT, IT'S PROBABLY GOING FROM 45 TO SAY 145 OR 45,000-145.
SO YOU'VE TRIPLED YOUR REAL ESTATE TAXES BY DOING YOUR IMPROVEMENTS.
I REMEMBER JOHN ROBERT GARRETT WOULD COME OUT THERE AND MEASURE, YOU WOULD SEE HIM.
I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S STILL DOING THAT OR NOT,
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BUT HE WAS DOING IT PART TIME FOR A WHILE.IF YOU HAD A PERMIT AND YOU WERE BUILDING SOMETHING, JOHN ROBERT WAS OUT THERE MEASURING SQUARE FOOTAGE, AND THAT WAS PUT IN THERE.
HOPEFULLY, WE HAVE PEOPLE LIKE THAT STILL KEEPING UP WITH IT.
BUT THAT'S OBVIOUSLY AN EXAMPLE OF PROGRESS AND INCREASING OUR TAX BASE, WHERE THE GOVERNMENT IS BEING EFFICIENT AND TAKING CARE OF THINGS.
THEN IF IT'S 75, IT COULD SIPHON IT.
YOU'RE SAYING, WHERE INSTEAD OF RECONDITIONING OR REFURBISHING, YOU WOULD HAVE TO JUST DEMOLISH AND BUILD A NEW.
BUILD A NEW, THE COST IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE TRIPLE THE COST.
>> JUST MAKE SURE SLOWER SOUNDS UNDERSTANDING THIS ENGINEERING STUFF, BECAUSE YOU ALL HAVE ANY NUMBERS AND I CAN'T KEEP UP ADDING.
>> MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING.
>> I'LL MAKE COPIES AND SEND YOU THE FEMA MODEL FOR THAT WHERE THEY PROBABLY GOT THAT THAT 50 PERCENTAGE FROM, AND HOPEFULLY THAT'LL ADDRESS SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS BY THEN.
>> WELL, I'M SEEING THE 50%, EVERY MUNICIPALITY I GO TO.
WE'RE NO DIFFERENT. I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION.
DO WE HAVE TO BE? BECAUSE REALLY, WHY IS FEMA EVEN ASKING US TO VOTE ON THIS AT ALL IF THEY'RE JUST GOING TO MAKE US DO IT? JUST SEND IT AND INSERT IT.
>> RIGHT. WE HAVE STUFF THAT'S MORE RESTRICTIVE OR IF WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S LESS RESTRICTIVE, WE JUST HAVE TO PROBABLY DOCUMENT WHY WE WANT TO CHANGE THINGS.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS GOT FIXED 10 YEARS AGO TO THIS, BUT THEY DIDN'T ASK MY OPINION THEN.
>> YOU HAVE TO BE CAUTIOUS OF SOME BUREAUCRAT THAT'S NOT IN DEVELOPMENT.
LIKE IN PORTSMOUTH, JUST COMES WITH THIS SOUNDS A GREAT IDEA, AND THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE DOING, THAT ARE GOING TO COMPLETELY STIFLE DEVELOPMENT.
>> BUT FEMA IS NOT THE SAME ORGANIZATION AS IT WAS IN 2017.
WE'RE LOOKING AT REGULATIONS DISHED OUT BY A WHOLE DIFFERENT PRIOR GROUP.
JACK, YOU'RE LOOKING AT BUREAU CRAPS.
>> WHAT'S TO SAY YOU COULDN'T DO A RENOVATION, JUST DO A SMALLER COMPONENT THIS YEAR.
COULD YOU COME BACK NEXT YEAR AND USE THAT VALUE AND DO ANOTHER RENOVATION.
>> I THINK THEY TRY WANT YOU TO DO ALL THE RENOVATION, EVERYTHING.
THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO GET ALL BECAUSE THE WHOLE HOUSE MAY BE THEIRS.
IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE CONSIDERED A LIVABLE STRUCTURE, IT'S NOT CONDEMNED OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
YOU HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING SO YOU CAN GET IT BACK IN LIVABLE SHAPE.
>> MR. PRINCE, SEE IF YOU COULD FIND OUT IF THAT NUMBER COULD BE CHANGED OR WHETHER THAT'S THAT'S JUST THE NUMBER WE HAD TO USE.
IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. PRINCE?
>> WE DO. YES. THE NEW MAPS AT THOSE LAST MONTH.
>> SO YOU CAN PULL THAT UP ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE OR HOW DO YOU DO THAT?
>> YOU CAN PULL THEM ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE.
>> THEY'RE PRETTY SIMILAR TO THE FOUR?
>> SIMILAR, NICER PRESENTATION.
BUT YES, EVERYTHING ON THE PLAN.
>> THE FOOTPRINTS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME.
>> JUST THUMBING THROUGH THEM, THEY ALL LOOK ABOUT THE SAME FROM THE PREVIOUS.
>> I GUESS THE WEBSITE IS ONLY GOING TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE UPDATE IT IS.
>> IT'S GOING TO SHOW WITH THE UPDATED ONE AND IT'S ALSO, BUT YOU CAN ACTUALLY GENERATE WHAT'S CALLED FORMS. SMALLER VERSIONS OF EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT.
YOUR ONE HOUSE, TWO HOUSE, A CERTAIN AREA.
>> BUT THEN THE NEXT TIME I'M GOING TO SHOW WHAT WE SENT IN A MONTH AGO AND NOT GOING TO SHOW THE OLD MAPS.
>> IT PROBABLY SHOWED THE OLD MAPS.
>> WHEREAS YOU SHOW THE COPY OF THE OLD MAPS?
>> YES. THE OLD COPIES IN THE NEW COPY.
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>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. PRINCE? WE'LL HAVE SCHEDULE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ALSO ORDER AT THE FEBRUARY MEETING.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR FO SHEETS THAT ARE COME IN TO PACKET, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER SHARE WITH US BEFORE THE MEETING.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE FLIP PLANS? PROPOSED ORDINANCE COMING FORWARD.
IF NOT, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO HOLD ON TO THIS UNTIL YOU GET THE SUMMARY FROM MR. PRINCE FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
NO NEED TO SEND THIS WHOLE COPY BACK OUT, AGAIN, WITH US FOR OUR REFERENCE.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO BRING IT BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING.
I DON'T BE ON THE NEW FITNESS, AND IT'S AN INTRODUCTION TO OUR NEW RECORDING SECRETARY, MISS LISA BONES.
MISS BONES, WE WELCOME YOU TONIGHT?
>> GLAD TO HAVE YOU ON BOARD, AND WE'LL ALL START NIGHT TWO AND 26 TOGETHER AND APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO COME AND HELP US THANK YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SAY, MA'AM?
>> HERE YOU GO. I'D NEVER HEARD YOU BE THIS QUIET.
>> AGAIN, WELCOME. WE'RE WELCOME YOU.
NEW BUSINESS. I GOT A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANT TO MENTION, BUT I'M GOING TO LET YOU ALL GO FAR.
DO YOU ALL HAVE ANYTHING LIKE TO ADD AT THIS TIME BEFORE WE MISSED? YES, SIR.
>> JACK JUST GAVE ME HIS DISCLOSURE STATEMENT.
SO IF EVERYBODY HAS THEY CAN TURN THEM IN TO ME WHEN YOU GET THEM COMPLETED.
>> BE IN ABOUT FEBRUARY 2, I BELIEVE.
>> CAN YOU PUT IT IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE BOX OUT THERE?
>> IT'S GOT TO BE IT BY FEBRUARY 2ND.
>> I THINK MINE'S GOING TO BE IN THE MAIL.
>> YOU CAN. OR SEND TO HER. LET'S SEND TO LISA.
>> ANYTHING ELSE? I GOT A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANT TO MENTION, AND I'LL BE BRIEF.
WE WANT TO BE IN THE HOLE SO FAR. WE'RE DOING GOOD TONIGHT.
MR. PRINCE, TYPICALLY, IN YEARS PAST, I'M NOT PICKING ON YOU, SIR. YOU'RE DOING A GOOD JOB.
TYPICALLY, AT THE JANUARY MEETING, WE WOULD HAVE A SUMMARY OF THE PREVIOUS YEAR OF THE ACTIONS THAT WE'VE TAKEN, JUST A RECAP.
NOW, I DON'T THINK WE DID IT LAST YEAR.
NOW, I WASN'T AT THE JANUARY MEETING LAST YEAR, BUT I DON'T THINK WE DID IT.
>> IT WAS USED AT THE JANUARY MEETING.
I WAS A RECAP OF THE PREVIOUS YEAR.
>> YOU HAD ALL THE NUMBERS FOR THE PREVIOUS YEAR AND A SUMMARY OF WHAT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SPECIAL USE. RIGHT. THE MAJOR OUTCOMES THAT LIKE TWO LINES,.
>> JUST GIVE US A A REMINDER WHERE WE'VE BEEN AS WE GO FORWARD.
IF YOU DON'T GET THAT FOR THE NEXT MINUTE IT'S OKAY, YOU DIDN'T KNOW.
>> YOU DID NOT KNOW THAT MIGHT SHOW UP IN SOME OF MISS LEWIS' OLDER WORK.
>> HE WOULD BE LIKE AN ADD IT.
>> PAPER PACKET. I WOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN THAT IF I HADN'T GONE BACK AND READ THOSE TEST.
>> SHE PUT IT IN JANUARY IS MY RECOLLECTION, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> LIKE WHAT YOU DID THE PREVIOUS YEAR.
>> YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO TWO YEARS BACK EVERY JANUARY.
>> I RECOMMEND YOU TO SEND THAT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ALSO.
>> I'LL SEND IT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
OKAY. OH, WELL, THE PC DOING IT.
>> MR. PRINCE I'M PICKING ON YOU.
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CAN YOU JUST GIVE US A PROGRESS REPORT LIKE THE FLAG AND RUN PROJECT, THE DEVELOPMENT? HAS THAT GOT KICKED OFF YET?>> KATE OF STATES. WE RECEIVED A FIRST SUBMITTAL, AND THAT'S IT.
WE RECEIVED THE FIRST SUBMITTAL.
IT'S 90% COMPLETE, AND WE'VE HAD A VIRTUAL MEETING WITH MYSELF AND THE ENGINEER AND THE DEVELOPER.
IT'S BEEN MOVING ALONG PRETTY WELL.
I HAVEN'T TALKED TO THEM SINCE SAY NOVEMBER, BUT I DID A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL ON THE PROPERTY ON THE PROJECT.
IT HAS EVERYTHING THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS REQUIRED SIDEWALKS.
A WALKING PATH AROUND THE BMP.
OF COURSE, IT HAS STREET LIGHTING AND THE DRAINAGE A PAIR APPEARS TO BE ACCEPTABLE.
>> SITE PLAN HAS BEEN REVIEWED TWICE.
>> I BRING THIS BACK TO THE BOARD, TOO.
>> ONLY TO ASK. WELL, NO, NOT A LOT OF TIMES.
A FEW TIMES. WE'VE APPROVED PROJECTS OF REZONING.
IT'S FOUR PROJECTS, AND IT NEVER CAME TO BE.
I GUESS THAT'S THAT PREROGATIVE BY REAGAN, BUT IF WE TAKE OUT TIME FOR ALL THE DISCUSSION AND WORK OUT ALL THE DETAILS AND SUCH, AND YOU HOPE IT COME TO FRUITION, AND SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T.
BUT I'M GLAD TO KNOW THAT THAT'S STILL IN A PROGRESS IN THE MAKING.
I'VE BEEN GOING TO WAKEFIELD A LOT RECENTLY AILING PEANUTS.
BUT THERE'S A BIG EXPANSION AT THE I'M I CALL IT THE CURTIS.
I GUESS, IT WAS A PAVING COMPANY THAT HAS BEEN CHANGED HANDS.
>> THEY'RE GOING TO CONCRETE. THANK YOU.
I JUST WONDER WHAT THAT WAS ALL ABOUT.
BUT IT'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY THERE.
THEY DO AN EXPANSION OF THE ASPHALT TANKS, AND IT'S THE SAME THING AS AT BRANCHVILLE, TWO PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME AND THERE'S A ASPHALT PLANT IN BRANCHVILLE.
OF COURSE, YOU HAVE THE ONE ON ROUTE 460 AT THE CURTIS CONTRACTING SITE.
BOTH OF THEM ARE CONSTRUCTING VERTICAL TANKS FOR THE LIQUID ASPHALT.
THE PREMISE IS TO CREATE THE TANKS AND ALL THE OTHER SUPPORT INFRASTRUCTURE SO THEY CAN USE THE RAILROAD SPUR TO HAUL A LIQUID ASPHALT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
THERE'S ALSO SOME ADDITIONAL SITE IMPROVEMENTS NEEDED.
THE B&P NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED ON THAT 460 SITE.
>> YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION, I APPRECIATE IT.
A LOT OF TIMES WE GET CRITICIZED FOR NOT BEING BUSINESS FRONT OF IT, BUT I'M GLAD TO SEE THE BUSINESSES EXPANDING THAT WE HAVE.
THAT GOES AGAINST THAT REMARK. THAT'S GOOD.
>> THE OTHER PROJECT THAT'S GOING ON DOWN THE STREET FROM THAT ON 460 IS THE-
>> THE FEED AND HOMELAND FEED STORE.
>> HOMELAND FEED STORE. THEY HAVE SUBMITTED TWO SITE PLANS.
I REVIEWED AND APPROVED THOSE.
NOT APPROVED, BUT THEY'RE CONDITIONALLY APPROVED.
THEY'RE WORKING ON FINANCING AND FUNDING AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF TO GET THINGS STARTED.
THEY NEED TO SUBMIT THEIR BUILDING PLANS TO GET THAT GOING.
THAT'S ANOTHER PROJECT THAT'S FORTHCOMING IN THAT AREA.
>> ANYTHING ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY WOULD BE GOOD.
>> THANK YOU FOR COMMENTING ON THAT, I APPRECIATE IT.
>> THE LAST THING I'M GOING TO MENTION AGAIN.
I APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION YOU HAVE SUBMITTED SO FAR AS WELL AS MR. KNUCKLES AND MR. RANDALL WHEN THEY WERE HERE.
I STILL THINK WE NEED TO CONTINUE BEING OPEN-MINDED.
I LIKE INFORMATION BEFORE I MAKE A DECISION.
THIS GOES BACK TO A DATA CENTER.
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DATATORY. THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION IN MAGAZINES AND NEWSPAPERS, IF YOU ALL ARE READING THE LOCAL VIRGINIA PILOT.IT'S NOT HARDLY ABOUT THREE DAYS GOES BY.
THERE'S AN ARTICLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE, SOME ALL IN AND SOME HAVING ISSUES.
I WANT TO KNOW EVERYTHING THAT I CAN FIND OUT.
ANYTHING YOU'D RUN ACROSS IN YOUR OFFICE THAT MAY COME ACROSS YOUR DEBT, WE MIGHT NOT SEE.
ME, NOT AS CHAIRMAN, ME AS A MEMBER OF THIS BOARD.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A MODEL, I'M GOING TO CALL IT A MODEL ORDINANCE THAT MAYBE ANOTHER LOCALITY HAS ON EITHER ONE OF THESE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT, WOULD IT BE A DATA CENTER OR THE BATTERY STORAGE FACILITY.
BECAUSE IT'S A LOT OF ATTENTION.
IN FACT, CHANNEL 10, I DON'T DO THE CABLE THING, BUT IT'S BEEN SEVERAL GOOD SEGMENTS.
REGARDING MORE PROBABLY, MORE DATA CENTER THAT HAS BATTERY STORAGE.
I'M REALLY INTRIGUED WITH THE BATTERY STORAGE.
TO ME, THAT'S A WIN SITUATION, I FIND OUT ALL SIDES CONSIDERED BECAUSE THAT'S A WAY WE CAN STORE EXCESS ENERGY.
ANYWAY, I DON'T KNOW WHO WE COULD CONTACT.
SOME AREAS ARE WELCOMED INTO IT, BUT I'LL MAKE A COMMENT BECAUSE I WAS ON A MEETING BACK IN DECEMBER.
IT WAS IT WAS A BREAKOUT SECTION I WENT TO, AND REAL BRIEFLY.
THIS IS ALL VIRGINIA BY THE WAY, CAMPBELL COUNTY, LOUISA, GASTON, CHESAPEAKE, AND PENNSYLVANIA COUNTY.
THEY HAVE SOME DATA CENTER, BUT NOW THEY'RE PUSHING BACK BECAUSE OF DIFFERENT ISSUES, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S CORRECT OR NOT, BUT ANYWAY, I'M NOT GOING TO READ ALL OF THAT.
BUT OTHER COUNTIES, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THE GOVERNING BODY, HAD MADE COMMENTS THAT THEY HAVE EITHER REJECTED A REQUEST OR CANCELED A PLAN OR ADOPTED A TECHNOLOGY OVERLAY DISTRICT.
IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S SOME ISSUES, AND I DON'T MIND READING THE NAME, JUST GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHY BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL OVER THE STATE, CAMPBELL COUNTY, LOUISA COUNTY, GASTON COUNTY, CHESAPEAKE, PENNSYLVANI MISS SOMER.
ALSO, JAMES CITY COUNTY, YORK COUNTY, FAIRFAX COUNTY, AND LONDON COUNTY.
NOW, LONE COUNTY, IF I UNDERSTOOD AT OUR MEETING, THEY HOSTING PROBABLY A GREATER PERCENTAGE. IS THAT RIGHT?
>> THAT'S CORRECT. THEY HAVE ENORMOUS NUMBER OF WELL, DATA CENTERS AND JUST IN THAT COUNTY ALONE.
NOW, ACCORDING TO THIS PAPER I'VE GOT HERE, THE HAND, THEY REMOVED A BY RIGHT ZONING FOR THAT TO GAIN MORE LOCAL CONTROL.
SEE, I WANT TO KNOW WHY. I DON'T KNOW.
>> I THINK, MR. CHAIRMAN, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS, LOOK AT THOSE COUNTIES THAT HAVE EITHER BANDED OR PUT IN A MORATORIUM AND WHY THEY DID THAT.
THAT'S THE IMPORTANT THING AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
WHAT IT MATTERS TOO IS, HOW MUCH DAMAGE YOU WANT TO ACCEPT IF YOU WANT THE MONEY, YOU TAKE THE MONEY DAMAGE.
IT'S GOOD MONEY. LET ME TELL YOU, THOSE CENTERS ARE NOT SMALL.
THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF ACRES. CAN BE.
>>THEY CAN BE SMALL, AND THEY CAN BE VERY, VERY LARGE.
THOSE CENTERS ARE GOING TO PUT UP IF THEY CAN EXPAND.
>> I GOT NOTICE THAT THERE WAS A MEETING.
NOW, THIS IS NORTH CLOWN, OKAY? THIS IS NOT VIRGINIA.
THERE WAS A MEETING IN GATES COUNTY BACK IN DECEMBER.
THEY ACTUALLY ADOPTED THE MONITORIUM FOR A YEAR TO GET MORE INFORMATION.
THEY WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE RAPID.
I GUESS INVITATION TO COME IN AND THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE A LOT OF OF HIGHER ENERGY OR THE VOLTAGE LINE, BUT THEY WERE GOING TO PUT THEM IN.
IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT THAT TRANSMISSION LINE.
THEY WERE JUST REALLY HAD SOME BIG CONCERNS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH GASTON COUNTY.
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MY WIFE'S PEOPLE ARE FROM THERE. I CAN'T SAY MUCH ABOUT IT.THAT'S A VERY RULE. BUT I TELL YOU ONE THING.
MERCHANTS MILL POND. I WANT TO TELL YOU ONE THING.
THEY THINK SOME OF THAT. RESERVE THERE.
BUT ANYWAY, THEY WANT A YEAR TO INVESTIGATE, GET ALL THE FACTS.
THAT'S WHEN I KNEW WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A WHILE.
BUT I THINK THAT'S JUST I'M TALKING FOR ME NOW.
THIS IS ME AS A MEMBER OF THIS BOARD.
I THINK WILL BE PROPERLY INFORMED OF EVERYTHING BEFORE WE GET AN APPLICATION.
>> WE'VE ALWAYS BENEFITED FROM OTHER PEOPLE'S MISTAKES.
THAT'S ONE GOOD THING WE'VE ALWAYS DONE.
GOING TO THAT MEETING, GOING TO THAT, MEETING IN DECEMBER.
THAT WAS I THINK WE LEARNED FROM THEIR MISTAKES.
IT'S LIKE YOU SAID, HAVING MORE TRAINING LIKE THAT OR MORE EXPOSURE TO DIFFERENT LOCALITIES. IT IS A GOOD.
I'M TRYING TO DO ANOTHER ONE EITHER WITH THE SAME LOCALITY FOR THE REMAINING MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
SOMETIME THIS YEAR? I'M JUST WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PEOPLE THAT HOSTED OUR PREVIOUS MEETING OR I'VE BEEN TALKING WITH OUR ADMINISTRATOR ABOUT GOING TO SAY HERIKO.
I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER DATA CENTER UP IN THAT AREA.
ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, THAT WILL BE ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS YEAR TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING WITH ANOTHER LOCALITY ABOUT DATA CENTERS OR EVEN BATTERY STORAGE.
>> WAS IT ONE JUST PUT IN IN CHESTERFIELD COUNTY, A DATA CENTER? I'M NOT SURE.
>> I'M NOT SURE, BUT IF THAT'S ONE OF THE ONES THAT WE CAN COORDINATE WITH WITH TRY.
>> I THINK IT WAS ONE JUST RECENTLY.
IN SOME OF YOUR STUFF THAT YOU'VE SEEN ON DATA SIGNS, HAVE YOU SEEN MUCH INFORMATION ON DATA SIGNS BEING PUT IN SPACE, HAS THAT COME UP IN SOME OF YOUR.
>> NO, WOW. I'VE NOT SEEN THAT.
>> THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE DATA CENTERS GOING INTO SPACE AND A LOT OF POSITIVES.
BUT THEY'RE SAYING IT IS 10YEARS AWAY.
BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME THEY ALREADY.
IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP A MIND ON.
WE LOOKED AT ALL THE CELL TOWERS THEY WANTED TO PUT AROUND THE CANT.
YOU GOT MENTIONED THAT EVENTUALLY, THEY'RE GOING TO BE OBSOLETE.
I DIDN'T. I WAS SURPRISED THAT AT ONCE I SAW THAT, HOW MUCH MORE INFORMATION WOULD POP UP ABOUT IT.
IT WAS ADVANTAGES OF COOLING, JUST A LOT OF ADVANTAGES. JOIN VANTAGE.
>> EVEN WE SAW MR. PRINCE AND MR. ERCOTT, MR. RKOTT, YOU WERE THERE.
THEY SHOWED US THE I'M GOING TO CALL IT THE WHAT'S THE THING CALLED THE THING GOES ON THE RACK? IS THAT CALLED THE RACK THE BLADE.
THEY WANT TO REPLACE IT IS LIKE, CORRECT?
>> THE TECHNOLOGY IS ALREADY HERE.
>> YOU'RE RIGHT. I AGREE WITH THAT. IT'S STEADILY INVOLVING.
>> ONE ARTICLE I READ SAID IT COULD REALLY BE VASTLY ADOPTED IN 8-10 YEARS.
>> JUST WANT TO LIKE SAY, IT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
BUT WE JUST WANT TO BE SURE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT IT FROM THE RIGHT STANDPOINT.
>> NEW SCHOOLS AND MICHAEL BERG.
>> ANYWAY, ANYTHING COMES ACROSS YOUR DESK AND ANY PARTS YOU TALK TO IF THEY HAVE ANYTHING CAN SHARE WITH US, WE APPRECIATE IT.
>> THAT'S ALL I HAD. I'LL KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT NOW. ANYMORE NEW BUSINESS?
>> WE'RE PUTTING A LOT OF WORK ON REAGAN.
IS THERE ENOUGH STAFF TO DO ALL THE WORK [LAUGHTER] THAT'S COMING THROUGH THAT DOOR? I DON'T THINK THERE IS.
IT'S DOES THE INITIAL QUESTION COME FROM US TO LOOK AT REAGAN'S OFFICE AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ENOUGH PEOPLE TO DO WHAT'S COMING THROUGH, AND HOPEFULLY, IN MY DESK,
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I GOT FOUR REQUESTS FOR PROPOSALS TODAY.ALL THE ENGINEERING FIRMS IN VIRGINIA THAT ARE SUBMITTING STUFF TO THIS COUNTY, AND ALL THE BY-RIGHT WORK THAT'S COMING THROUGH THAT'S NOT EVEN GOING THROUGH US.
WHO LOOKS AT REAGAN'S OFFICE AND SAYS, HEY, YOU NEED MORE PEOPLE?
>> I'M CURRENTLY HAVE TO LOOK AT HIRING SOMEBODY OR TALK WITH ADMINISTRATOR BY HIRING SOMEONE TO DO MY ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEERING JOB, AS WELL AS A COUPLE OF INSPECTORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
YES, THAT'S ON THE AGENDA FOR MY OFFICE TO SO THAT I CAN FOCUS MORE SO ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION NEEDS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
BUT THANK YOU. YES, WE DO NEED MORE PEOPLE.
>> IT WOULD BE I GUESS. I'M GOING TO SAY THAT'S CORRECT.
WHO DO YOU ANSWER TO? TELL THE ADMINISTRATOR. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU COULD MENTION IF THERE'S A SHORTAGE OF STAFF?
>> YOU NEED US TO MENTION IT OR.
>> NO, I THINK I'M FINE. I DEFINITELY MENTION IT.
>> I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GET THAT.
I THINK THAT THE PLAN DEPARTMENT ADMINISTRATION.
THAT'S SOMETHING THEY'RE WATCHING, AND I THINK THEY CAN HAVE THAT.
>> I DON'T MEAN TO BE OVERBEARING.
>> WE KNOW WHAT THE SITUATION IS. WE DON'T KNOW.
>> THAT'S IN THE PLANS SO THAT WE'LL HAVE A BETTER DISTRIBUTION OF WORK AND ASSIGNMENTS IN THE DEPARTMENT, SO YES.
>> WHEN I THINK ABOUT, THE AGA FORESTER DISTRICTS.
REMEMBER THAT A FEW YEARS BACK? WERE YOU INVOLVED IN THAT, TOO?
>> I WAS AWARE OF IT, BUT I WASN'T ULTIMATELY THE PAPERS. I WAS AWARE OF THAT.
>> [LAUGHTER] THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK.
>> I MEAN, YOU REMEMBER THE PACKETS? I THINK MONTH AFTER MONTH.
>> HOW IN THE WORLD THEY GOT ALL THAT. WERE YOU INVOLVED IN THAT?
>> I THINK SHE TOOK SOME OF THAT HOME WITH I THINK WHEN SHE DID THAT.
ANYWAY YOU TAKE IF THERE'S A PROBLEM, YOU WILL YOU TAKE CARE OF THAT.
>> YOU'RE BACK IN UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
>> WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE NOTAAY RIVER DESIGNATION AND I THINK THAT JUST EVAPORATED WITH ALL THOSE.
>> I CAN GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON, AND I THINK.
THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HAVING THAT WANT TO TAKE A LITTLE TIME OFF AND COME BACK LATER ON THIS YEAR OR WHEN THEY THINK THE TIME IS APPROPRIATE.
>> I MET WITH THE PERSON LAST TWO WEEKS AGO, AND THAT WAS THE DECISION.
HAS THAT JUST LET THIS RELAX A LITTLE?
>> WAIT A MINUTE. THE NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING IS THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 12, 7:00.
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HOPE YOU ALL GOING TO BE HERE. HAVE A MOTION PROPER SECOND TO ADJOURN.>> ALL IN FAVOR WILL SAY, WE HAVE THE DOOR OPEN.
>> NEXT MEETING. YES, WE HAVE THE DOOR THE NEXT MEETING.
>> WE STAY ADJOURNED BY THE WAY.
>> THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.