[* A portion of this meeting is without audio *] [5. PUBLIC HEARINGS] [00:05:50] MY NAME IS GREG SCHMIDT WITH KIMLEY-HORN. BUSINESS ADDRESS AT 4525 MAIN STREET IN VIRGINIA BEACH, [00:05:57] VIRGINIA. THIS PROJECT IS PARTICULARLY EXCITING. I DO HAVE SOME FAMILY THAT RESIDE IN FRANKLIN, SO IT'S EXCITING TO BE OUT HERE IN THE COUNTY AND TRYING TO HELP SPUR SOME BUSINESS. WE ARE PRESENTING WHAT IS A MULTIPLE PHASE PROJECT WITH THE FIRST PHASE THAT HAS GOT A FORMER TENANT, WHICH WILL BE TOWN BANK. THE REZONING IS FOR 16 ACRES. TOWN BANK WILL BE TAKEN THE FIRST FOR 4 TO 5 ACRES OF THAT AREA. WE HAVE SPENT THE LAST MANY MONTHS, FROM THE TIME OF INITIAL APPLICATION, COORDINATING WITH VDOT ON A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT LOOKS AT THE ENTIRE REZONED AREA, PROPOSED REZONED AREA. THAT WENT THROUGH A CHAPTER 5.27 REVIEW. AND THROUGH THAT PROCESS, WE IDENTIFIED IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL BE BROKEN OUT INTO TWO PHASES. PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO. PHASE ONE BEING WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR THE TOWN BANK AS BEING THE FIRST TENANT THAT IS AT THE TABLE. THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, IF YOU'LL REMEMBER A FEW YEARS AGO THAT THE COUNTY AND VDOT COLLABORATED ON AN ARTERIAL PRESERVATION PLAN FOR ROUTE 58. THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT CAME OUT OF THE STUDY MIMIC MANY OF OUR MANY OF THE MORE STANDARD SOLUTIONS TO TRAFFIC ALONG THE 58 CORRIDOR. THINGS THAT YOUR CITIZENS AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WOULD BE FAMILIAR WITH TRAVELING. WE DO HAVE A LIST OF PROHIBITED USES AS PART OF THE REZONING. I APOLOGIZE IF THAT'S ME. OKAY [LAUGHTER]. EXCUSE ME. GO AHEAD SIR. WE DO HAVE A LIST OF PROHIBITED USES. WE COLLABORATED WITH THE LANDOWNER WHO'S THE ADJACENT FAMILY AS WELL, WHO RESIDE IN THOSE HOMES. TO FIND A LIST OF USES THAT ARE NOT DESIRABLE FOR THEM AS NEIGHBORS, BUT ALSO LIKELY NOT DESIRABLE FOR THE VISION OF THE COUNTY. THIS DOES FALL WITHIN THE COMMERCIAL AREA IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IN AN AREA THAT THE COUNTY HAS IDENTIFIED FOR GROWTH DEVELOPMENT. BEYOND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE EXCITED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE TOWN BANK DEVELOPMENT AS THE FIRST PHASE OF THIS. AND AS I MENTIONED THAT THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO. PHASE ONE WILL INCLUDE A RIGHT TURN LANE AND A LEFT TURN LANE INTO THE TOWN BANK, ACCESS THAT WILL BE SHARED WITH FUTURE ACCESS. AND THE EXISTING MEDIAN OPENING AND PHASE ONE WILL BE PRESERVED FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS, AND NOT UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT PHASE TWO OR INTERMEDIATE PHASES OF PHASE TWO WOULD BE DEVELOPED. WOULD THAT BE CLOSED OR LIMITED TO A LEFT SOUTH MOUNTAIN LEFT. WITH THAT, I'LL KIND OF OPEN IT UP FOR ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS YOU ALL MIGHT HAVE FOR ME. WE DO HAVE THE ARCHITECT HERE AS WELL. I HAVE A RENDERING OF THE BUILDING. IF YOU WANT ME TO GRAB THAT, I CAN SHOW YOU. THE ARCHITECTS WORKED REALLY HARD TO MIMIC MUCH OF THE RESIDENTIAL ARCHITECTURE OF THE COUNTY AND OF THE RURAL DISTRICTS AS ONE OF THE FIRST USERS. AND THE WAY THE PROFFERS ARE WRITTEN, JUST TO CLARIFY ON THAT, IS, THE PROFFERS ARE WRITTEN THAT PHASE TWO DEVELOPMENTS WILL NEED TO COMPLY FROM A LANDSCAPING QUALITY PERSPECTIVE AND ARCHITECTURAL QUALITY OF TOWN BANK. OKAY THE ARCHITECTS WORKED REAL HARD ON THIS, SO I DON'T WANT TO GO TO WASTE [LAUGHTER] BUT. WOW. THERE'S AN EASEL OVER THERE IF YOU WANT. PERFECT [00:10:23] WE DO ALSO HAVE MEMBERS OF TOWN BANK AND OF THE FAMILY THAT OWNS THE PROPERTY TODAY. IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM AS WELL. ALL RIGHT THANK YOU IF YOU JUST REMAIN THERE. YES, SIR. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SCHMIDT? ANY COMMENTS? I DO, YEAH. GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY MY SKETCH I GOT IT'S KIND OF SMALL AND KIND OF DIFFICULT TO READ [LAUGHTER]. AND SO BUT WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THIS, THE FIRST THING THAT IT KIND OF POPS OUT TO ME IS WE'RE LOOKING AT A DIRECTIONAL MEDIAN BARRIER RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE SIMMONS RESIDENTIAL EXIT. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO COME OUT AND TURN TO THE EAST. ONCE THAT GETS PUT IN PLACE. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. AND THEN I SEE UP AND DOWN THROUGH HERE WE HAVE A LOT OF. THOSE ARE PRETTY DRAWING [LAUGHTER] TOO FAR. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, U-TURN SIGNS AND THERE'S A LOT OF PROPERTIES THAT WE WOULD ALL LIKE TO SEE REDEVELOPED ACROSS THE STREET. AND I'M NOT POSITIVE THAT WE'VE GOT GOOD ACCESS FOR ALL OF THOSE PROJECTS. I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO. COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT I'M MISREADING OR? SURE, YOU ARE CORRECT THAT IN PHASE TWO AT SUCH TIME THAT THAT WERE TO DEVELOP TO A CERTAIN LEVEL OF TRAFFIC DEMAND FOR THE COMMERCIAL ENTRANCES, THAT THAT WOULD BECOME A DIRECTIONAL MEDIAN OUT FRONT OF THE SIMMONS RESIDENCE. WE DID HAVE COORDINATION MEETINGS AND REPRESENTATION OF THE FAMILY THROUGHOUT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS PROCESS. WITH THE MAIN CONCERN OF BEING ABLE TO MOVE TRAFFIC SAFELY AND EFFICIENTLY THROUGH 58, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHERE THE HIGHEST DEMANDS ARE FOR THAT ACCESS POINTS. SORRY, IT MUST BE MY BUTTON OR SIGN I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON [LAUGHTER]. YOUR VOICE CARRIES WILL. YOU MIGHT YEAH I DON'T USUALLY NEED A MIC. SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE ANALYZING THAT, WE'RE LOOKING AT WHERE ARE THE MOST VEHICLES GOING TO HAVE A POTENTIAL CONFLICT POINT. AND WHILE IT MAY BE UNFORTUNATE IN PHASE TWO THAT THEY MAY HAVE TO FIND OTHER ALTERNATIVE ROUTING TO GO EASTBOUND, IT'S FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE BIGGER CORRIDOR TO DO THAT. SO THAT DETERMINATION BE MADE BY WHAT GOES IN THERE? SO, SO YES, SIR. THERE ARE ASSUMED USES IN THE TIA THAT IN COORDINATION WITH VDOT, WE TRY TO IDENTIFY WHAT ARE WORST CASE TYPICAL DEVELOPMENTS THAT COULD COME IN. WHAT IS THAT A CAR WASH. IS THAT A DRIVE THRU RESTAURANT. IS THAT A GROCERY STORE. THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WE BUILD A TRAFFIC KIND OF PROGRAM FOR WHAT THE SITE COULD BE. AND THE WAY THE PROFFERS ARE WRITTEN, IT ALLOWS THE COUNTY, VDOT OR FUTURE APPLICANTS TO MODIFY THE TIA AT THAT TIME TO ADDRESS MAYBE A LESSER USER, A LESSER TRAFFIC PRODUCER, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO THAT FLEXIBILITY IS THERE FOR THE PUBLIC AGENCIES AS WELL AS THE APPLICANTS TO INVESTIGATE THAT. TO ADDRESS THE QUESTION ABOUT ACCESS ON THE SOUTH. WE DO HAVE CAREFUL PLANNING FOR WHERE WE WOULD ANTICIPATE, IN ADDITION TO VDOT, WHERE THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE DRIVEWAYS FOR COMMERCIAL SHARED DRIVEWAYS. WE'VE PLANNED THOSE IN AREAS THAT WE WOULD ANTICIPATE TO REDEVELOP IN THE COMMERCIAL, BUT WITH THE IDEA OF ARTERIAL PRESERVATION, THAT'S GOING TO BE LIMITED. ON THE SOUTH SIDE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE DRIVEWAYS EVERY 100FT EVERY 50FT. SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS CONSOLIDATE THOSE ACCESS POINTS TO WHERE THEY WOULD BE SHARED WITH A GROUPING OF COMMERCIAL USES INSTEAD OF EACH COMMERCIAL USE HAVING THEIR OWN DRIVEWAY. WHEN I'M LOOKING AT IT. SO IF I COME OUT OF THE BANK, I'M PROHIBITED FROM GOING EAST BY NO U-TURNS. IF I COME OUT OF GREGGS I'M PROHIBITED FROM GOING WEST, NO U-TURNS. ELECTRIC MOTOR HAS NEVER HAD ANYTHING, BUT THEY NOW HAVE EVEN LESS. THE MOTEL SITE ALSO CANNOT GO WEST. HELENA, WHICH RIGHT NOW HAS KIND OF A FREE FLOW THROUGH. [00:15:11] THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GO WEST WITHOUT GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO. WELL, I GUESS ALL OF THESE WOULD HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY TO FOOD LION TO BE ABLE TO TURN AND COME BACK. IS THERE SOMETHING YOU COULD DO TO KIND OF HELP THIS AREA BE ABLE TO. AND WHAT COMES TO MIND IS BECAUSE WHEN WE WERE TALKING BEFORE ABOUT REPLACING THE LIGHT OF FOOD LION AND PUTTING IN AND THEY DO THEM A LOT IN NORTH CAROLINA THE BIG U-TURN YEAH. AND THAT WOULD NOT FIT WELL AT FOOD LION BUT IT MIGHT FIT WELL HERE. IS THAT. HAS THAT BEEN LOOKED AT? YEAH AND THERE THROUGH THE GEOMETRIC DESIGN ON WHAT WE'VE COORDINATED WITH VDOT IS ONCE PHASE TWO WERE TO MOVE FORWARD AND SOME OF THESE ALTERNATIVE MEDIUM BREAKS WOULD BE ESTABLISHED, THAT WE WOULD DO AN ANALYSIS TO SEE IF IT MAKES SENSE TO DO A THEY CALL THEM A LOON, BUT IT'S AN EXPANDED AREA PAVEMENT TO ALLOW FOR SAFE MANEUVERING OF U-TURNS. AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE A LANE SO THAT TRAFFIC THAT MAKES THE U-TURN HAS TIME TO TAPER BACK OVER. WHILE IT'S NOT PROFFERED. IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY WITH VDOT. SO WERE WE TO APPROVE YOU TODAY, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ADJUSTED BETWEEN NOW AND YOUR VISIT TO BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, OR WOULD THAT BE DURING SITE PLAN REVIEW? WE CAN REVISIT THE EXHIBITS AND THE PROFFERS. IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING WE HAD, I BELIEVE, ONLY TWO LOCATIONS WHERE U-TURNS WERE PROHIBITED AT THE FUTURE. ACCESS TO PHASE TWO. PHASE TWO OF THE COMMERCIAL. PERFECT. CUT IT OFF. THERE'S A GREEN BUTTON, THOUGH SORRY [LAUGHTER]. I CAN HEAR YOU BETTER NOW [LAUGHTER]. YEAH APOLOGIES. I BELIEVE OUR PLAN IS THAT WHEN THE PHASE TWO COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE IS BUILT, U-TURNS WOULD BE PERMITTED THERE WESTBOUND AND EASTBOUND. SO WE HAVE THOSE OPPOSING LEFTS AT THAT ENTRANCE THAT WOULD ALLOW THAT TO OCCUR. IT'S THE ONES IN BETWEEN THE TWO MAIN COMMERCIAL ENTRANCES WHERE THE U-TURNS ARE PROHIBITED. OKAY BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SAFETY AND EFFICIENCY AND TRYING TO LIMIT CONFLICT POINTS WHERE THEY'RE MAYBE NOT NECESSARY. BUT I'M GOING TO PIGGYBACK. IT'S A REAL CONCERN THAT BEING A FARMER, I FREQUENT HELENA CHEMICAL A LOT. AND SOMETIMES I GO IN MY TRAILER TRUCK. SO WE GOT TO HAVE WE JUST NEED A PLAN A FUTURE PLAN. AS THAT CORRIDOR OPENS UP, IT'S GOT TO BE A WAY TO GET TO THAT SAFE SIDE TO THOSE BUSINESSES. IF I'M COMING UP ON THE WESTBOUND LANE FROM SHADY BROOK OR THE 58 [INAUDIBLE] I HAVE SOME TRUCKS NOW. I HAD TO CLARIFY THAT I DON'T DO SHADY BROOK ANYMORE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT ALLOW FOR TRUCK [LAUGHTER]. BUT IF I COME IN FROM THE FRANKLIN SIDE. YES, SIR. YOU KNOW? I WON'T BE SURE I GOT A SAFE WAY OF MANEUVER CROSSED. BUT I KNOW WE CAN'T DEAL EVERYTHING TONIGHT, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE ON THE TABLE. IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING AT. SURE. BECAUSE NOW AND I JUST GO AHEAD AND GIVE MY PERSPECTIVE. I'M PROBABLY WANTED TO. I AM THE SENIOR MEMBER. WHAT AM I SAYING? I'M THE SENIOR MEMBER UP HERE, AND I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO MAKE A REFERENCE TO SOMEONE'S FAMILY. WHEN I THINK ABOUT BACK IN THE EARLY 1970S, WHEN SOUTHAMPTON TRACTOR COMPANY BUILT ACROSS THE ROAD FROM THIS FARM THERE WAS VERY FEW PITMAN METAL. AND I'M TRYING TO THINK WHERE HELENA CHEMICAL WENT SOMETIME IN THE EARLY 70S. I NEVER REALLY THOUGHT THAT WOULD END UP BEING A BUSINESS DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE COUNTY. BUT AS I YOU KNOW, THAT'S AND THAT'S ALL PART OF THIS GAMUT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. BUT NOW IT'S AMAZING WHAT, YOU KNOW, 50 YEARS, THE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE THAT HAVE COME TOGETHER AND THAT LITTLE STRETCH OF ROAD. I SEEING THAT BEING I SEE IT BEING KIND OF THE MAIN STREET OF THE COUNTY. [00:20:02] IT'S NOT REALLY THE MAIN STREET OF COURTLAND, BUT IT'S KIND OF AN EXTENSION OF COURTLAND. BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE OUR, YOU KNOW, SO I WANT TO WE WANT TO GET IT RIGHT. I THINK WE GOT A GOOD I THINK WE GOT A GOOD CLIENT COMING FIRST SET THE STAGE AND I'M LOOKING AT EVERYTHING VERY POSITIVE WHEN I READ MY MATERIAL TONIGHT. SO WE JUST WANT TO BE SURE WE GET THAT CORRIDOR EVERYTHING AS WE GO FORWARD. AND I NOTICED TONIGHT WE'RE LOOKING AT PRIMARILY THE ENTRANCE TO THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE REZONING. BUT AS OTHER THINGS MAY COME TOGETHER IN THE FUTURE, BE SURE WE GET AHEAD OF IT. SO IT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO BE VERY PROUD, SOMETHING VERY FUNCTIONAL. AND I KNOW WE HAD TO I KNOW WE HAD TO MOVE THAT TRAFFIC AND BUT YOU KNOW, IT DOES. WELL, IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO GROW AND WELL, I DON'T LET THE CAT IN THE BAG, BUT IT MAY BE SOME ALTERNATIVE LATER ON FOR THE TRAFFIC [LAUGHTER] YOU KNOW, BUT I SEE THAT BEING A MAJOR, A VERY PROSPEROUS SOMETHING WE SOMETHING KIND OF BE VERY PROUD OF. SO IT'S CENTRALLY LOCATED AND BUT ANYWAY, I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR. BUT LET'S GET THIS ENTRANCE AND EXIT RIGHT FOR THIS PROPOSAL TONIGHT. BUT LET'S KEEP IT ON THE FUTURE FOR THESE OTHER BUSINESSES GETTING ACROSS THAT ROAD. IT IS A BUSY ROAD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OR ANY? THE LANDOWNERS ARE HERE. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WARREN'S HERE, IF YOU HAD ANY COMMENTS ON THE SITUATION WARREN. WARREN I'VE NEVER SEEN YOU AT A MEETING THAT YOU DIDN'T TALK [LAUGHTER]. HE NEVER LOST THE WORDS. MY NAME IS WARREN SIMMONS I'VE LIVED IN SOUTHAMPTON PARKWAY, AND I HAVE LIVED THERE 68 OF MY 72 YEARS WOW. AND WE ARE. WE'RE THANKFUL THAT TIME BACK HAS COME ALONG AND WANTED TO GO THERE. WE KNOW THAT WE SIT IN AN AREA THAT, LIKE YOU SAY. WE HAVE COUNTRY BOYS TOO, AND WE WOULD WISH WE WERE SOMETIMES OTHER PLACES, BUT WE'RE WHERE WE ARE, AND IT'S WHERE THE FUTURE'S GOING TO BE FOR THE COUNTY FOR THE NEAR FUTURE ANYWAY, I FEEL, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, NOBODY'S GOING TO BRING A MAJOR BUSINESS TO BOYKINS OR SEDLEY OR SOMEWHERE LIKE THAT. THEY'RE GOING TO BE OUT THERE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO 460 OR 58. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO AND SO WE FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WE'RE AT THE PLACE WITH WHERE THE COUNTY CAN BENEFIT. WE CAN BENEFIT. BUT THE COUNTY WE WANT THE COUNTY TO BENEFIT TOO, THAT'S WHY WE WANT WHEN TOWN BANK APPROACHED US, WE WANTED OTHER KIND OF NICE UPSCALE BUSINESSES. SO IT'LL BE AN ATTRACTIVE AREA, A GOOD AREA. SO OTHER PEOPLE WILL WANT TO COME HERE TOO. SOME OF OUR BUSINESSES OUT THERE ARE NOT BUSINESSES THAT ATTRACT OTHER BUSINESSES AND WISH THEY WERE SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT THEY'RE NOT [LAUGHTER]. BUT IT DOES CONCERN US A LITTLE BIT. IT DOES CONCERN ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE ROAD AND THE PHASE TWO, BECAUSE IT DOES FORCE, IF THEY DO AWAY THE MEDIUM AND FORCE ME TO GO RIGHT OUT OF MY YARD, THEN MY FIRST WAY TO TURN TO GO EAST IS UP AT THE 7-ELEVEN, AND IT'S NOT A GOOD PLACE IF YOU'VE BEEN THERE. IT'S JUST NOT THE CURVE AND ALL WHERE THE TRAFFIC IS. YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME FROM WHEN YOU SEE A VEHICLE, DO YOU GOT TO BE OUT OF THE WAY SO THAT DOES CONCERN ME. BUT HOPEFULLY WE CAN AFFORD WE CAN GET, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW IF SOMEBODY WILL COME TO WHERE WE HAD THE SECOND PHASE IN A YEAR, OR IT'LL BE 20 YEARS. WE JUST DON'T KNOW. WE, YOU KNOW, IT'LL DEPEND ON HOW THE COUNTRY GOES AND THE ECONOMY GOES AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT WE ARE THANKFUL FOR THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE HELPED US GET THIS FAR. THANK MR. RANDOLPH FOR WHAT HE'S DONE AND TO HELP IT OUT AND ALL. AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD FOR THE BANK COMING. AND WE HOPE YOU APPROVED THE REZONING. AND WE'LL HOPE IT HELPS THE COUNTY. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL WE'LL DEAL WITH THE TRAFFIC ISSUES, I GUESS, THE BEST WE CAN WHEN THEY COME. AND HOPEFULLY THERE'S NEW THINGS WE CAN DO. AND MAYBE THEY'LL CHANGE THEIR MIND TOO, BECAUSE, [00:25:03] YOU KNOW, YOU SAID THE TRAFFIC'S GOT TO GO THROUGH. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT SUFFOLK, [LAUGHTER] IT'S NOT GOING THROUGH. THEY SEEM TO BE ABLE TO SLOW IT DOWN. RIGHT GOOD [LAUGHTER]. BUT ANY QUESTIONS, MANN? SIMMONS? I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH COMING FORWARD. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU YES, SIR. MR. FOWLER, COME ON. JASON FOWLER WITH VDOT. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS. I KNOW YOU TALKED ABOUT PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO. WELL, SO PHASE ONE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CREATING A NEW MEDIUM BREAK IN FRONT OF THE BANK. SO PHASE TWO IS CONTINGENT ON PHASE ONE. I MEAN, SO LIKE THE COMMENT LETTER SAYS THE PHASE TWO, ONCE IT'S APPROVED, THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS THAT THOSE ARE THE ACCESS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE NORTH AND SOUTH OF 58. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAVING WE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THE PLAN AND WE CAME UP WITH THIS PLAN TO ALLOW ACCESS FOR THE NORTH AND SOUTH OF 58. THE BEST WE [INAUDIBLE] HAVE TO GO THROUGH ACCESS MANAGEMENT WAIVER, WHICH IS THE SPACING BETWEEN THE BREAKS. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY GIVING MORE BREAKS THAN ACCESS ALLOWED BY CODE. SO JUST KEEP IN MIND THAT WHEN WE DO APPROVE THIS, AS IF YOU APPROVE IT AS ONE AND TWO AS A BLANKET APPROVAL, THEN THESE ACCESS MANAGEMENT THE BREAKS THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE CONCEPT PLAN ARE THE ONES THAT WE EXPECT GOING FORWARD OKAY, ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME FORWARD? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE PANEL? WHY WERE ANYONE ELSE FROM THE AUDIENCE? ALL RIGHT. IF NOT, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE HEARING. ALL RIGHT. NOW, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, IS ANYTHING ELSE? WE'RE WELCOME NOW TO SPEAK AMONG OURSELVES, AND WE CAN ACT. WE CAN STILL ASK ANYONE TO COME FORWARD IF WE WANT TO. IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS TO MR. RANDOLPH OR MYSELF OR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT'S AT STAKE. WELL, I'LL MAKE A COMMENT THAT I THINK THIS IS AN ASSET TO THE AREA AND A BEAUTIFUL RENDITION OF WHAT IS TO COME. SO GREAT LOOK FOR THE GATEWAY INTO OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR COUNTY SO. I AGREE MS. ALLSTON HATS OFF TO THE TWO OF THE ARCHITECTURAL WORK IT REALLY. I'M ALL ABOUT BEING A FARMER. I'M ALL ABOUT THE RURAL ESTHETICS OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. I WANT I WANT OUR COUNTY TO STILL MAINTAIN THIS RULE HERITAGE. WE HAVE, I MIGHT SAY, A REPUTATION, BUT WE ARE KNOWN FOR OUR, OUR FARMING PRACTICES AND THE ESTHETICS AND OUR RIVERS AND THE CLEAN AIR AND ALL OF THE FORESTS AND THE WILDLIFE AND THE HUNTING AND ALL THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE RURAL AREA. I'M A BIG I'M A BIG ADVOCATE OF PRESERVING FARMLAND [LAUGHTER], BUT BUT TONIGHT, BUT TONIGHT. BUT TONIGHT IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT. WE NEED PROGRESS. I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF MONEY, BUT WE ALWAYS GOTTA PUT SOMETHING IN THE BANK, RIGHT? BUT BUT THIS IS. THIS TO ME, IS SETTING THE STAGE, MS. ALLSTON, JUST LIKE YOU SAID IT'S. THIS IS THIS IS. THIS IS WHAT WE WANT I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR A RULE AREA AND APPROPRIATE FOR THE HISTORIC EXACTLY. PRESENCE THAT WE HAVE IN VIRGINIA BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE EXCEPTION TONIGHT [LAUGHTER] WARREN. WARREN KNOWS I SPEAK A LOT ABOUT PRESERVATION OF FARMLAND, BUT I'M JUST GLAD THAT YOUR FAMILY IS WILLING. [00:30:07] YOU KNOW I KNOW THE FARM HAS BEEN IN FAMILY FOR YEARS. AND I KNOW Y'ALL PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT IN THIS AS A AS A FAMILY AND I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT IN THIS CASE, I DO THINK IT'S THE RIGHT MOVE AND THE RIGHT PLACE. I SEE THIS I SEE THIS CORRIDOR BEING, LIKE I SAID, I'M KIND OF OUR MAIN STREET. SO YOU SEE HOW I'M FEELING? I'M ALL IN. BUT ANYHOW, MR. EDWARDS. MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MOVE ON WITH THIS. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE GO AHEAD AND RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THAT WE REZONE THIS FROM A1 AGRICULTURE TO B3 BUSINESS DISTRICT WITH THE PROFFERS THAT THEY'VE OR HAVE OFFERED. THANK YOU SIR. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. HAVE A PROPER MOTION AND A PROPER SECOND. IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IS THIS GOING TO BE CULTIVATED WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR PHASE TWO TO DEVELOP? YOU'RE SAYING OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE, MR. URQUHART? NO THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. OKAY ANY OTHER COMMENTS? QUESTIONS? NO, I AGREE, I THINK IT'S A GREAT AREA FOR OUR COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR. AND HOPEFULLY THIS WILL SPUR MAYBE SOME OTHER BUSINESSES TO TAKE UP THE LAND ACROSS THE STREET AND REPURPOSE IT. I AGREE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT IF NOT, I'M GONNA CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE REZONING APPLICATION AS WE PRESENT IT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS SAY, AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED SAME SIGN. MR. SECRETARY, IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS AND YOUR INTEREST. AND WE WISH YOU THE BEST AT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING, BUT YOU PASSED A HURDLE TONIGHT. SO THAT BEING SAID, YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF OUR MEETING. IF YOU WANT TO BE EXCUSED, YOU CAN DO SO NOW. BUT THANKS, THANKS AGAIN. THANK YOU SIR. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU. I LIKE THIS IT'S ALL GREAT I ALREADY GET ONE, SO WE MAY THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH LOSING OUT RANDOLPH WAS BACK ON THE PANEL. HE'LL BE PARTICIPATING IN THE REMAINDER OF THE MEETING. SO, GOING DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER 6, WE DON'T HAVE ANY UNFINISHED BUSINESS. [6. UNFINISHED BUSINESS] I HAVE ONE IS. WHAT STAGE OF PLANNING ARE WE IN WITH THAT? WE ARE STILL LOOKING INTO THAT TO TRY TO LOGISTICALLY MAKE THAT WORK. I GUESS THE TIMING IS SOMEWHAT CONSTRAINED BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THE SHORT AMOUNT HERE COMING UP IN SEPTEMBER, BUT OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION ARE INVOLVED IN FARMING. AND SO WE'LL GET INTO HARVEST SEASON OBVIOUSLY RELATIVELY SHORTLY. SO WE'RE TRYING TO WORK OUT WHEN WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE TIME. SO WE COULD EXTEND THAT INVITATION TO ALL OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OBVIOUSLY. WE WOULD HOPE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU COULD ATTEND. AND HOWEVER, WE'RE AWARE THAT SOME OF YOU MAY NOT. SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO WORK OUT SOME LOGISTICS ON THAT. VERY GOOD I BELIEVE UP IN THE NEW KENT AREA OF MIDDLETON WHAT'S THE DATE ON THAT? FOR? BUT I DID READ THAT THEY ARE TAKING A FIELD TRIP FOR THEIR PLANNING COMMISSION TO GET A BETTER IDEA ABOUT BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE, ACTUALLY TOURING A FACILITY THAT I BELIEVE DOMINION OPERATES, DOMINION ENERGY. [00:35:02] I WANT TO TELL WHAT THEY'VE BEEN READING INTO BEING IN DISCUSSION AT ONE OF THEIR MEETINGS POSSIBLY. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR WHAT THEY SAW AND FIND OUT. IF YOU IF YOU HEAR ANYTHING BEING BROUGHT UP ON THE AGENDA, I APPRECIATE KNOWING. YEAH, I BELIEVE THEY MAY BE TAKING THAT VISIT, I GUESS, IN SEPTEMBER OR IN THE NEAR FUTURE SO IT COULD BE LATER IN THE FALL. YEAH SO ANY MINUTES FROM THEIR MEETING OR ANY DISCUSSIONS IF YOU IF YOU SPOT ANYTHING. SOMETIMES IT'S. I'VE BEEN TO SEVERAL ADJOINING COUNTY MEETINGS AND YOU CAN LEARN YOU CAN LEARN A LOT JUST FROM THAT DISCUSSION. OKAY. ANY OTHER UNFINISHED? I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE THE BOARD. ANYTHING ELSE YOU HAVE? OKAY IF NOT WE'LL GO TO ITEM NUMBER 7. [7. NEW BUSINESS] NEW BUSINESS. AND WE'LL START OUT WITH THE. YOU GAVE US SOME REALLY ENLIGHTENING INFORMATION ON THE THE AI INDUSTRY AND WHY IT TAKES SO MUCH DATA STORAGE [LAUGHTER] FOR THESE CENTERS. QUITE, QUITE GOOD INFORMATION, MR. RANDOLPH. APPRECIATE YOU SHARING THAT WITH US. IT'S IT'S. WELL, THE ANALYSIS IT'S GOING TO BE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND OTHER MEANS OUT THERE EDWARDS. I MEAN, I NOTICED CAUSE UNLESS WE PUT THEM ON A DIET, YOU KNOW, [LAUGHTER] BUT. WE'VE ALWAYS LEARNED WHAT HAPPENED TO THE EAST AND WEST AND NORTH AND NORTH AND EAST OF US MAYBE WE'LL DO IT THIS TIME. YEAH. WHEN I SAW THIS ARTICLE IN NEWSWEEK AND, YOU KNOW, IT MENTIONS DOMINION ENERGY AND SO FORTH, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE BECAUSE THE FACTORS INTO THE LARGER DISCUSSION WE'RE HAVING ON DATA CENTERS, AI, CELLULAR DEVELOPMENT, BATTERY STORAGE, AND HOW, YOU KNOW, JUST THE GENERAL ENERGY PICTURE FOR THE COUNTRY. AND, YOU KNOW, I SAY, QUOTE, IT'S LIKE BUILDING FIVE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS INTO THE GRID EVERY YEAR JUST FOR AI. SO THAT ENERGY HAS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COST TO BE BORN FOR THAT POWER THAT'S PRODUCED. AND AS THAT POWER BECOMES, I GUESS, MORE IN DEMAND. THE PRICE THAT'S GOING TO GO UP IS JUST A SIMPLE SUPPLY AND DEMAND. AND I GET SPRINKLED ON TO EACH AND EVERY ENERGY USER. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT THE INFORMATION TO MR. RANDOLPH? I MEAN, MR. RANDOLPH SHARED WITH US. I UNDERSTAND ISLE OF WIGHT IS LOOKING AT PROPOSING AN ORDINANCE. ONCE THEY GET THAT, ONCE THEY HAVE A DRAFT THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO MAKE PUBLIC. YOU KNOW, THAT'D BE INTERESTED IN THEIR VIEW AS WELL WE DO NOT. I DO NOT ANTICIPATE ANY PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR YOUR SEPTEMBER MEETING. SO I AM PLANNING ON GETTING SOME DRAFT INFORMATION TOGETHER ON, YOU KNOW, SOME DRAFT REGULATIONS REGARDING BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE FOR US TO CONSIDER. ALL RIGHT. AND JUST AS A SIDE NOTE AS YOU MENTIONED, ISLE OF WIGHT COUNTY AS WELL AS SURRY COUNTY. OUR ECONOMY MAY BE MUCH A LITTLE MORE ADVANCED AS FAR AS THEIR REGULATIONS REGARDING THOSE TYPE OF FACILITIES. WELL, WE JUST WANT TO STAY ON TOP OF IT AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN. HOPE WE GET A LOT OF ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS. IF WE IF WE ARE APPROACHED BY AN APPLICATION. YEAH AND SOME OF THESE BATTERY STORAGE YOU KNOW IT'S JUST SIMPLE ECONOMICS. THEY PULL ENERGY OFF THE GRID AT NIGHT WHEN THERE'S LESS DEMAND THEY STORE IT. AND WHEN DURING PEAK DEMAND, THEY SELL IT BACK INTO THE GRID. RIGHT OKAY YES HAVE WE EVER IN THE PATHS, INTERFACE WITH ANOTHER GROUP, THEN SAY JOINED ALONG WITH THEM? NOT, NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. EVEN WHEN WE DID SOLO, IT WAS NOBODY ELSE BUT OUR GROUP. CORRECT? DOCTOR EDWARDS? WAS HALIFAX AT THAT TIME? SO I'M NOT AWARE OF TEAMING WITH ANOTHER ADJOINING COUNTY OR JURISDICTION. I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT. YOU KNOW? RIGHT. JUST TALKING WITH THEM AND SAYING THAT IF THEY'RE TAKING THAT FIELD TRIP, DO THEY HAVE AN EXTRA SPACE WHERE ONE OF US CAN GO ALONG WITH THEM? RIGHT. RIGHT. AND HAVE EYES ON AT THE TIME, TOO. A LITTLE BIT OF COOPERATION I COULD CERTAINLY INQUIRE WITH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. IT SEEMS LIKE [00:40:04] OBVIOUSLY, ONCE THEY COMPLETE THEIR FIELD TRIP, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, THEY DISCUSS IT AMONG THEMSELVES IN MINUTES. PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ASK MAYBE THEIR CHAIR OR MEMBER OF THEIR PLANNING COMMISSION TO, YOU KNOW, ATTEND OUR MEETING AND JUST PROVIDE INSIGHT AS TO WHAT THEY MAY HAVE LEARNED REGARDING THAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE ANOTHER ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS. AND MS. ALLSTON IS GOING TO ELABORATE ABOUT OUR SCENIC RIVER, THE NOTTOWAY BEING RECOGNIZED AS A NATIONAL SCENIC RIVER. AND I WANT TO LET HER GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A BACKGROUND. SHE WAS AT A MEETING RECENTLY. RIGHT, WE HAD A WE HAD A MEETING RIGHT HERE. IT WAS REALLY A LISTENING SESSION. AND IT WAS A PRESENTATION ASKING IF WE WOULD PARTICIPATE IN A STUDY AND TO CREATE A STEWARDSHIP PLAN TO POSSIBLY DESIGNATE THE NOTTOWAY RIVER IS A NATIONAL SCENIC RIVER. RIGHT NOW IT IS A STATE SCENIC RIVER AND THE DESIGNATION INCLUDES SUSSEX COUNTY. THEY HAD A PERSON. THEIR DEPUTY MANAGER WAS PRESENT LAST NIGHT. SO THE PORTION FROM STONY CREEK DOWN TO THE SOUTHAMPTON BORDER. AND THEN OUR PART WOULD GO DOWN TO THE NORTH CAROLINA BORDER. THE PLAN IS A IT'S A FREE FEASIBILITY STUDY. AND THE COMMITTEE THAT WOULD OVERSEE THE STUDY AND REVIEW AND, AND ADDRESS ISSUES WOULD BE MADE UP OF SOUTHAMPTON CITIZENS. AND IT IS AS I SAID, IT'S FREE BECAUSE IT IS ACTUALLY PART OF A FEDERAL PROJECT TO LOOK AT MORE AREAS THAT ARE WILD AND SCENIC. AND THE NOTTOWAY IS REALLY THE ONLY ONE, THEY SAID, IN THE STATE THAT WOULD QUALIFY AS BEING BOTH WILD AND SCENIC BECAUSE A LOT OF THE OTHER RIVERS NOW HAVE DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT HAS DISRUPTED ANY OF THE WILD APPEARANCE OF A RIVER. PLUS BEING SCENIC. THE PEOPLE WHO WERE PRESENTED LAST NIGHT, OTTO WACHSMANN, WHO IS OUR STATE DELEGATE. DAVID CONMY, WHO IS THE DEPUTY MANAGER OF SUSSEX COUNTY. BRIAN THROWER, OUR MANAGER, AND JAMIE CRAIG, WHO'S WITH THE BEECHTREE GROUP. HE FACILITATED THE DISCUSSION. SUSSEX COUNTY ALREADY HAS A MORE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE RIVER. IN THEIR COUNTY, BUT THEY ARE NOT AS PERHAPS NOT AS DEVELOPED AS WE ARE WITH OUR BOAT LANDINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THERE IS A WEBSITE BEECHTREE.BIZ THAT WILL HAVE ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PRESENTED LAST NIGHT, ALONG WITH ALL OF THE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS AND DISCUSSION. THE AUDIENCE LAST NIGHT PRIMARILY WERE RIVERFRONT LANDOWNERS, WITH VERY FEW ATTENDEES THAT WERE FROM THE REST OF THE COUNTY. AND THAT BECAUSE OF THE MAKEUP OF THE AUDIENCE, THEY WERE NOT THEY WERE NOT IN FAVOR OF HAVING A STUDY OR EVEN LOOKING AT THIS AS A POSSIBILITY TO CHANGE AND ELEVATE OUR RIVER TO NATIONAL STATUS. NOW, OUR RIVER IS A PART OF OUR COMP PLAN. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AS PART OF TOURISM AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND FOR THE FUTURE. SO WITH THAT, WE DID NOT GET A RECOMMENDATION OR ENDORSEMENT LAST NIGHT FROM THE RIVERFRONT LANDOWNERS. AND MY THOUGHTS FOR YOU ARE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD NOT PASS ON. IT IS A STUDY. IT MAY COME OUT THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO, AND MAYBE SOMETHING WE DON'T WANT TO DO, BUT WE DON'T KNOW UNTIL YOU GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF STUDYING WHAT WE HAVE AND WHAT'S INVOLVED WITH BEING A NATIONAL WILD AND SCENIC RIVER. SO I'M ASKING THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO LOOK AT GIVING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DOING WITH AGREEING TO DO A STUDY OF OUR RIVER SO. THERE WERE FOUR OF US, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THERE LAST NIGHT. I GOT THE MET. IT WAS A RATHER DISGUSTING MEETING TO ME. I'VE NEVER BEEN IN A GROUP WHERE EVERYBODY MADE UP THEIR MIND BEFORE I HAD ANY OF THE EVIDENCE, ANY OF THE FACTS. THE NOTTOWAY RIVER IS 72.5 MILES LONG, 51 MILES OF ITS IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. [00:45:07] IT'S THE MOST PRISTINE RIVER IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA. IT'S PROBABLY THE ONLY ONE LEFT THAT COULD BE DESIGNATED AS A NATIONAL SCENIC RIVER. RAPPAHANNOCK RIVER IS BEING CONSERVED, CONSIDERED, BUT THERE'S TOO MUCH DEVELOPMENT ON THAT. SO WE HAVE A JEWEL HERE SHARED BY THESE TWO COUNTIES. IT'S ONLY THERE ANYTHING LIKE THIS AND THE REST OF THE COUNTRY, MAYBE THE WORLD, I DON'T KNOW. IT'S THIS REALLY UNSPOILED. AND THERE WERE FOUR PHASES TO THIS. THE FIRST PHASE WE WANTED TO LOOK AT LAST NIGHT WAS JUST. OKAY, LET'S GET SOME COMMITTEES TOGETHER AND SEE IF WE WANT TO DO IT OR NOT. OKAY. AND THE COMMITTEE SAID, YOU KNOW, TOWN HALL MEETINGS, WHATEVER. WE WANT TO DO IT. OKAY. THEN WE COME BACK TO PHASE TWO THEN AND THEN GO ON DOWN TO PHASE FOUR. NOW BUT NOBODY EVEN WANTED THEY WOULD LOOK LIKE IT WAS LIKE 80% OF THE PEOPLE DID NOT WANT TO, AND THEY WERE VERY ADAMANT ABOUT IT. ARGUMENTATIVE ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW. DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT, DIDN'T WANT TO LOOK AT IT. SO I THINK THAT'S ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. THOUGHT IT WAS A LITTLE BIT RIDICULOUS TO STOP THERE. AND I THINK THIS KIND OF MOTION WOULD BE OKAY. WHAT IT MATTERS IS WE STILL HAVE CONTROL OF THE RIVER. THE FEDERAL HAVE NOTHING CONTROL OF IT. THE STATE HAS NO CONTROL. SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY AND SUSSEX COUNTY HAVE CONTROL OVER IT. NOBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT. WE CAN OKAY IT WHATEVER. AND AS A NATIONAL SCENIC RIVER, WHAT IT MEANS YOU CAN STILL GOT YOUR PROPERTY THERE AND YOU DO YOUR FISH AND EVERYTHING. YOU JUST CAN'T. NOTHING CAN COME THERE THAT'S GOING TO COMPROMISE THE RIVER OR THE WATER QUALITY OR THE NATURE OF THE RIVER. AND IT'S COMPLETELY UNDER CONTROL. 100% OF THE COUNTY THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. AND I THINK SHE HAS A VERY GOOD SUGGESTION THERE. I WAS A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED AT THE CROWD THAT DIDN'T EVEN WANT TO CONSIDER IT WITHOUT GETTING THE INFORMATION. RIGHT, RIGHT. WELL, COULD YOU THAT WAS THAT WAS THE PART THAT WE DIDN'T EVEN GET TO THE POINT OF. LET'S LOOK AT THIS, BECAUSE THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY ON A NATIONAL LEVEL. THIS THEY TALKED ABOUT OTHER SCENIC NATIONAL RIVERS, LIKE THE RIVER THAT COLORADO THAT RUNS THROUGH THE GRAND CANYON. I MEAN, TO BE IN THAT LEVEL HERE IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. YES, IT WOULD EXPAND OUR TOURISM, PERHAPS, BUT IT ALSO OPENS UP AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET GRANTS FOR OTHER THINGS, FOR OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD BE ENHANCE OUR COUNTY. SO IT'S A MATTER OF DON'T SHUT THE DOOR BEFORE WE'VE GONE THROUGH AND CHECKED OUT WHAT MIGHT BE. YEAH WON'T COST THE COUNTY ANYTHING. THAT RIGHT NOW COULD GET $75,000 A YEAR. THAT WOULD MAYBE COVER IF WE HAD TO CLEAN UP TRASH OR ANYTHING. AND IT'S LIKE SHE SAYS, IT BRINGS IT WIDE OPEN FOR FOR OTHER GRANTS. AND I I THINK IT'S A GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY. THIS IS THE WE'RE THE ONLY TWO COUNTIES THAT HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS. THERE'S NOTHING ELSE LEFT IN VIRGINIA THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE ANYTHING LIKE THIS LEFT IN THE UNITED STATES. CAN YOU GIVE US AN ABSTRACT OF SOME OF THE NEGATIVE COMMENTS? YEAH. WHAT WERE THE CONCERNS? TRASH, ENCROACHING ON THEIR ON THE LAND, ON THE BANKS OF THE RIVER. PEOPLE CAMPING OUT. ANY OTHER KIND OF ABUSE THAT MIGHT BE TO THE LAND. NOW, THIS IS STRICTLY SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE WATER. AND SO REGULATIONS RULES WOULD BE PEOPLE ARE NOT TO GO ON TO THE RIVERBANK. I MEAN, YOU'RE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE IN YOUR YOUR KAYAK OR CANOE OR MOTORBOAT OR WHATEVER. YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO STAY IN THE WATER RIGHT YOU KNOW, NO TRESPASSING. SO THAT'S KIND OF ONE OF THE BIGGEST WHICH IT TURNS OUT, OUR RIVER IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO HAVING MULTIPLE BOAT LANDINGS MORE THAN WE ALREADY HAVE. THEY PUT A BOAT LANDING WHEREVER THERE IS A BRIDGE THAT CROSSES THE RIVER. AND THOSE ARE VERY LIMITED. SO BASICALLY WHERE WE ARE NOW, I THINK MR. THROWER MENTIONED THERE'S ONE TO GO UP BY HERCULES. I THINK THERE'S SOME APPROPRIATION OF FUNDS TO BUILD A BOAT LANDING THERE, BUT THAT'S THERE'S ALREADY ONE BY HERCULES. RIGHT SO MAYBE THEY'RE GOING TO EXPAND IT A LITTLE BIT OR DO SOME IMPROVEMENTS. BUT OTHERWISE IT APPEARS THAT WE DON'T, THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE A LOT OF EXTRA BOAT LANDINGS. [00:50:07] IT WAS MORE THE PROPERTY ISSUE THAT THEY JUST SAW IT AS BEING MAYBE A NUISANCE ON THEIR PROPERTY. AND WE TALKED ABOUT, WELL, IT WAS PRESENTED THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU PUT REGULATIONS. IT'S IT'S SUNRISE TO SUNSET. IT'S THINGS ARE PROHIBITED. AND THOSE ARE THE RULES THAT YOU HAVE. HE EVEN SUGGESTED WE CHARGE A PERMIT FEE FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PADDLE ON THE RIVER AND USE IT AS A FUNDING SOURCE FOR THE COUNTY. YOU KNOW, BUT THERE WERE THINGS THAT THAT WERE PUT OUT. IF YOU GO TO THIS BEECHTREE.BIZ HE'S GOING TO PUT A COMPLETE TRANSCRIPT OF ALL OF THE QUESTIONS AND ALL OF THOSE NEGATIVE. SO BASICALLY THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY CHANGE ALONG, SAY, BOATING TRAFFIC ON THE RIVER. NO MORE THAN WHAT OUR CURRENT CITIZENS RIGHT NOW WHEN THEY FISHED THE RIVER? RIGHT. I MEAN, THAT'S HAVE AN INFLUX OF PEOPLE. I THINK THE SAME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO USE IT LIKE THEY USE IT NOW. YEAH YOU'RE GOING TO GET A THOUSAND MORE PEOPLE. IT AMOUNTS TO MORE PROTECTION. CORRECT. I MEAN, I SEE THAT PART OF IT. MORE MONEY YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE SAID, WELL, I DON'T WANT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, COMING UP ON MY LAND, SITTING ON MY LAND OR WHATEVER CAMPING THERE OR WHATEVER. YOU KNOW, IT'S PROBABLY DONE NOW. YES AND JACK AND I HAVE A PIECE DOWN THERE, AND WE DON'T CARE IF SOMEBODY COMES UP THERE AND LIGHTS A FIRE AND TAKES SOME HOT DOGS, AS LONG AS THEY CLEAN IT UP WHEN THEY LEAVE. IT'S A VERY IT'S A LOT QUIETER THERE THAN ON ROUTE 58 I CAN ASSURE YOU [LAUGHTER]. I'VE SEEN MAYBE IN FOUR YEARS OF OWNING THAT PROPERTY. TWO PEOPLE CAMPING ON THE BEACH, AND THEY WERE NOT HARMING ANYTHING. WERE THEY TRESPASSING? SURE. DID I GO UP TO THEM? I SAID, PLEASE TAKE YOUR TRASH AND THROW IT AWAY. AND THEY WERE HAVING A GOOD TIME. THEY HAD KIDS WITH THEM. YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK WE HAVE TO USE SOME SOME COMMON SENSE BREATH. AND AND I HEARD I HEARD ABOUT THE MEETING. OKAY CRAIG FOR CONSERVATION EASEMENTS, AND HE'S VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT HIS PRODUCT. AND I THINK. YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF SUSSEX AND SOUTHAMPTON. SOMETIMES WE HAVE PARTNERS AND WE HAVE TO MAYBE USE A HEIGHTENED LEVEL OF PROFESSIONALISM SOMETIMES ON THESE TYPE OF THINGS. AND I SURE HOPE THAT THE FUTURE MEETINGS GO A LITTLE BIT MORE, LESS TURBULENT. AND ONE OF THE HANDOUTS ONE IF YOU WANT TO PERUSE IT OR GET IT OVER TO MR. RANDOLPH SAYS HE HAS PROPERTY ON THE RIVER. BUT IT KIND OF GIVES YOU A LITTLE QUICK OVERVIEW. DO WE HAVE LIKE A DID DOCTOR EDWARDS DID THE I GUESS THE PEOPLE THAT WERE UP HERE, I WASN'T HERE. RIGHT AND I KNOW THE WEBSITE. HE HAD THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION ABOUT THE. COULD WE GET THAT IN OUR AGENDA FOR OUR NEXT MEETING AND MAYBE PUT IT? I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD. AND I WHAT, 30 MINUTES? MAYBE YOUR POWERPOINT AND HE HAD A VIDEO OF MR. REILLY. YEAH AND EXPLAINED RIGHT. AND LIKE I SAID, ALL WE JUST THE JUST THE POWERPOINT I APPRECIATE MS. ALLSTON BRINGING THIS TO THE COMMISSION. THIS CAME ABOUT AS I MENTIONED MR. CRAIG DOES A LOT OF WORK WITH CONSERVATION EASEMENTS. HE HAD APPROACHED THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND DID A PRESENTATION, I BELIEVE THAT WAS BACK IN JUNE. WE HAD ALREADY SEEN IT YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY MAY CONSIDER WANTING TO SEEK THIS NATIONAL SCENIC RIVERS DESIGNATION. VIRGINIA IS, I BELIEVE, ONE OF TEN STATES IN THE NATION THAT DOES NOT HAVE A NATIONAL SCENIC RIVER. THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHERS, I BELIEVE KANSAS, OKLAHOMA AND SOME OTHER STATES. BUT, YOU KNOW, VIRGINIA DOES NOT. AND SO WHAT CAME OUT ABOUT FROM THAT WAS TO HOLD A COMMUNITY MEETING. SEE IF THERE'S ANY INTEREST. ESSENTIALLY, THERE'S TWO WAYS FOR A NATIONAL SCENIC RIVER TO BE DESIGNATED. THE FIRST IS BY AN ACT OF CONGRESS, WHICH USUALLY TAKES AN ACT OF CONGRESS [LAUGHTER] JUST TO GET THEM TO DO ANYTHING. [00:55:05] SO THE SECOND IS, A GOVERNOR OF A STATE CAN SEND A REQUEST TO THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR. THE INTERIOR REVIEWS THE APPLICATION, AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR CAN ACTUALLY MAKE THAT DESIGNATION AS WELL SO. THAT WAS WHAT HE RECOMMENDED. YEAH AND BUT AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION AND MISINFORMATION THAT'S PROVIDED. BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO PUT TOGETHER A PACKET OF THAT FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION SO YOU CAN GET A BETTER OVERVIEW OF THE ENTIRE NATIONAL SCENE AND ONE THING THAT I THINK IT WAS PRESENTED, AND I REMEMBER WHEN I FIRST JOINED THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG I'VE BEEN ON IT, BUT I GUESS 10 YEARS NOW 12 YEARS. I'M STARTING OKAY? THE WORD TRAIL WITH THE GAS AND PIPELINE. BUT THIS IS NOT THAT. AND I THINK THAT THERE WAS SIMILARITIES, THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. SAME MENTALITY YOU'RE NOT SETTING FOOT ON MY LAND. I'M NOT SOMEBODY YEAH THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO INCREASE ANY USAGE OF HEARD THAT THAT WAS USED MULTIPLE THE BLUE TRAIL OR. THAT WAS SUSSEX THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT PLAN AND IT'S CALLED BLUE AND RED. OKAY? AND IT'S THE GREENWAY. I'M SORRY. IT'S THE GREENWAY, WHICH IS THE TRAILS AND THE BLUE WAY IS THE RIVER, AND THEY HAVE A FULL FLEDGED REPORT THAT OUR PLAN THAT WAS DONE BY THE TIMMONS GROUP, BECAUSE I WAS PART OF THAT. OKAY? I GET CALLED BY SUSSEX BECAUSE IT'S THE NOTTOWAY RIVER. SO BUT THIS PLAN AND IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT 30 PAGES, AND IT SCRIPTS OUT A LOT FOR THEM TO DEVELOP ALONG THE RIVER. AND IT IS IT INCLUDES THESE TRAILS. BUT WE ARE NOT AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD EVER GET TO THAT POINT. I THINK OUR THING IS TALKING ABOUT THE TRAIL, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE NOT USE THE WORD TRAIL [LAUGHTER]. RIGHT. I MEAN, IT WAS IT WAS SOME OF THE MOST ANIMATED MEETINGS THAT I HAVE. DO YOU REMEMBER THOSE? OH, YEAH. I MEAN, THEY WERE VERY [LAUGHTER] ANIMATED MEETINGS. THE BOTTOM LINE WITH WHAT MS. ALLSTON SAYS IS MR. CRAIG HAS TO GO TO THE SUSSEX COUNTY MEETING. AND SAID SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY DOESN'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT. OKAY? THAT'S THE ONLY THING HE COULD DO AFTER THIS MEETING. AND THAT'S WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO. AND I DON'T BLAME HIM. YOU KNOW, I HAVE NEVER MET BEEN TO A MEETING WHERE EVERYBODY WANTED TO MAKE UP THEIR MIND BEFORE THEY HAD ANY INFORMATION. AND AND THAT IS WHY I FEEL THAT AS PLANNING COMMISSION, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE BIGGER PICTURE AND OUR COMP PLAN AND THAT OUR RECOMMENDATION FROM PLANNING COMMISSION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DOING THE STUDY AND CREATING THE CITIZENS GROUP, JUST TO FIGURE OUT IF THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO. I THINK WE COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO MISS AN OPPORTUNITY. I THINK SOME SORT OF STATEMENT FROM THIS BOARD THAT WE COULD DELIVER TO MR. CRAIG OR TO THE SUSSEX COUNTY, ALL THE SUSSEX COUNTY OFFICIALS WERE HERE AND PRESENTED. THEY WERE THEY WERE FOR IT. WOULD HELP NOW POLITICALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE APPOINTED SO NOBODY CAN FIRE US SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. WELL, I WAS I WAS NOT AT THE MEETING THAT I HAD SAID IT. I WASN'T AWARE OF IT, BUT I DON'T LIKE TO MAKE A DECISION UNTIL I HEAR ALL SIDES. BUT WHAT I'M HEARING IS IT'S NO OBLIGATION. IS THAT CORRECT? IT IS A STUDY. IT'S A STUDY. OF A STEWARDSHIP PLAN FOR OUR PORTION OF THE NOTTOWAY RIVER. AND IT WOULD BE OVERSIGHT WITH A CITIZENS COMMITTEE THAT WOULD LOOK AT THE PLAN. BUT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND OF COURSE, THIS MEETING WITH SUSSEX IS NEXT WEDNESDAY. SO IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR MR. CRAIG TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY. THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, HAS AND SAID THAT WE SHOULD THAT SOUTHAMPTON SHOULD LOOK AT THIS FURTHER. IT WOULD BE NICE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THAT POWERPOINT, LIKE I SAID, [01:00:01] THAT THIS WAS THE MEETING. THERE ARE FOUR STAGES. THE FIRST STAGE WAS, ALL RIGHT, LET'S GET TOGETHER. SAFETY COMMITTEE WANTS THIS OR NOT. GET SOME COMMITTEES AND GET AN IDEA. OKAY. IF WE WANT IT. OKAY, THEN WE GO TO STAGE TWO. IF WE DON'T, THAT'S IT, SEND IT. WELL. SO CAN WE DO A RECOMMENDATION JUST FOR PHASE ONE? IS THAT I MEAN WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. WELL YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL IF WE COULD GET THAT TO MR. CRAIG AND GET THAT TO SUSSEX COUNTY. I MEAN, WE'RE SAYING, LOOK, WE DON'T KNOW ALL THE FACTS HERE. LET'S LOOK AT THEM, SEE IF IT'S ANY WE'RE GOOD OR NOT. IF IT'S NOT, AND WE FORGET IT. NO. I'M CERTAIN. I'M CERTAINLY IN FAVOR OF PURSUING IT. WELL, I BELIEVE THAT THE PLANNING AND THE ROLLOUT OF THAT WAS DONE SOMEWHAT PREMATURE. ONLY INVITATIONS WENT OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS ALONG THE RIVER. IT WAS NOT MADE PUBLIC TO THE ENTIRE COUNTY. AS TO THE COUNTIES WISHING TO PURSUE THIS DELEGATION, I THINK A LOT OF WHAT OCCURRED IS. I DON'T WANT TO SPELL OUT ANY NAMES, BUT THEY GOT A LITTLE AHEAD OF THEMSELVES BECAUSE THEY WANT TO GET THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO OFFICIALLY ENDORSE IT BY BOTH SUSSEX AND SOUTHAMPTON, SO THEY COULD GET IT TO THE STATE DELEGATES, SO IT CAN ULTIMATELY MAKE ITS WAY TO THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE PRIOR TO THE GOVERNOR TERM EXPIRING. AND WHEN YOU SET ARTIFICIAL DEADLINES TO TRY TO MEET GOALS LIKE THAT, IT'S CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO WORK IN YOUR BENEFIT OR FAVOR IF THERE IS A TRUE DESIRE TO MOVE FORWARD AND CONSIDER THIS, THEN IT SHOULD BE DONE IN A MUCH SLOWER AND MORE DELIBERATE PROCESS TO INCLUDE INPUT FROM ALL PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE COUNTY, NOT JUST THE RIVERFRONT PROPERTY OWNERS. AND TO TAKE IT STEP BY STEP. WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE NEXT GOVERNOR OF THE COMMONWEALTH IS GOING TO BE, HOW THEY WOULD FEEL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ACCEPTING THE BOARDS AND DELEGATES CONSIDERATION FOR FORWARDING THIS UP TO THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR. SO I THINK JUST THE PLANNING THAT WENT INTO THE ROLLOUT OF THIS WAS WASN'T THE GREATEST. AND THAT'S THE RESULT YOU GET WHEN YOU DON'T TRY TO INCLUDE EACH AND EVERY PERSON OR CITIZEN IN THE COUNTY. SO JUST MY ADVICE WOULD BE TO TAKE IT SLOW AND STEADY AS A COMMISSION AND LEARN MORE ABOUT IT PRIOR TO JUMPING AND SENDING A MESSAGE TO MR. CRAIG TO DELIVER TO SUSSEX COUNTY, OR IN ANY OF THOSE SORT OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, GET AS MUCH INFORMATION AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE AS MUCH AS I CAN GO ABOUT IT IN THE SLOW, DELIBERATE PROCESS, AND IF IT HAS A WORTHY ELEMENT AND DESIRE TO DO SO, THAT'S GOING TO BE WHAT COMES OUT OF ALL OF THIS. THE POWERPOINT IS ON THE BEECHTREE.BIZ IF YOU TYPE IN NOTTOWAY RIVER IT POPS UP. YEP SEE, THE BOARD SAW THAT IT'S ALREADY HAD IT PRESENTED. AND WE SAID YEAH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND LOOK AT IT. SO THAT'S WHY WE HAD THE MEETING LAST NIGHT. I DON'T KNOW, MR. CRAIG, JAMIE MIGHT COME AND GIVE US A PRESENTATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. YEAH, WE COULD CERTAINLY INVITE THEM. SO GO AHEAD AND OFFER THAT TIME, IF YOU WOULD ANYBODY HAVE THE. I MEAN, I AGREE WITH YOU, MR. RANDOLPH, 100% THAT WE I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO ANY RECOMMENDATIONS NOW. WE NEED TO PROCESS THE INFORMATION AND THEN, YOU KNOW, GET THE WORD OUT. RIGHT IF THERE IS A DESIGNATION OF THE RIVER, AT SOME POINT WE GET ROUGHLY $75,000 THAT'S EARMARKED FOR THE BOARD FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE NOTTOWAY RIVER, AND I'M SPEAKING GENERALLY, BUT THERE'S STILL LOCAL CONTROL FOR THOSE FUNDS. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME HUGE PUSH, LIKE A TRAIL. NO. AND IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING CERTAINLY THAT SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY AND SUSSEX COULD MARK IT IN A POSITIVE. I MEAN, I DON'T I DON'T SEE HOW HAVING AN HISTORIC WATERWAY HURTS US IN ANY WAY. I JUST THINK IT'S A WIN WIN BUT. BUT I THINK JUST PROCESSING THE INFORMATION AND THEN, YOU KNOW, GET MR. CRAIG, WHO SEEMS MUCH MORE EDUCATED THAN I AM OF THIS BECAUSE IT'S A LOT TO IT. AND WE LOOK AT THE POWERPOINT, WE JUST MAYBE PUT IT ON THE AGENDA TO DISCUSS IT A FEW TIMES AND THEN THEN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AFTER WE KNOW ALL THE FACTS BEFORE US. WELL, EVEN IF HE KNOWS THAT IT IS ON OUR AGENDA. THAT HELPS US. RIGHT? BECAUSE WHAT CAME OUT OF THE MEETING LAST NIGHT WAS NOT THOUGHTFUL WE NEED TO CONVEY TO MR. CRAIG THAT THERE WAS GENERAL AN INTEREST. RIGHT. FROM THIS COMMISSION. AND HE DOES A LOT OF WORK, TOO. I MEAN, THIS ISN'T IT ISN'T LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAGICAL. I MEAN IT, I MEAN IT SEEMS THAT HE'S REALLY PASSIONATE AND PUTTING IN A LOT OF HOURS AND DOING THIS. [01:05:02] HE DID HE GAVE HIS CREDENTIALS LAST NIGHT AND HE'S WORKED A LOT. HE DID THE FRANKLIN LANDING AND OTHER AND HE KNOWS A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW. SO WOULD IT BE PROPER THEN NOW TO JUST PRESENT A MOTION THAT HAVE THIS INFORMATION PRESENTED TO US? AND MAYBE INVITE MR. CRAIG? I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE INVITE MR. CRAIG AT HIS SCHEDULE ON THE AGENDA, AND WE PUT THE POWERPOINT AND ANY OTHER INFORMATION MR. CRAIG OR MR. RANDOLPH WANTS TO PUT FOR DISCUSSION AND PUT IT ON THE NEXT AGENDA THAT WAS A LONG MOTION SORRY. OKAY [LAUGHTER]. I'LL SECOND OKAY, EVERYBODY? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED LIKE SIGN. PASS UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU I JUST DID NOT WANT TO SEE THAT JUST GO AWAY FROM US. I JUST FELT WE NEEDED TO DO MORE SO THANK YOU. YEAH IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THE ONLY TRUE PROHIBITION WOULD BE YOU CAN'T BUILD A DAM ON THE RIVER. A NATIONAL SCENIC RIVER IS NOT ELIGIBLE. YOU RIGHT HE TALKED ABOUT THAT PUTTING A DAM ON THE RIVER I DON'T THINK WE WILL BE DOING THAT [LAUGHTER]. YES IN SOME STATES, I BELIEVE WASHINGTON STATE HAS DOZENS OF ACTUAL NATIONAL SCENIC RIVERS. WELL, ANY RESEARCH STUDY THAT YOU HAVE DONE IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE A POSITIVE TOOL IN YOUR TOOLBOX FOR ALL OF YOUR FUTURE PLANNING ANYWAY. SO YOU WANT TO HAVE AS MUCH INFORMATION AT HAND AS YOU AS YOU CAN. YEAH, THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN EXTENSIVE RESEARCH DONE, AND IT'S THE MOST BIOLOGICAL, DIVERSE RIVER IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA. AND ESPECIALLY FROM CARYS BRIDGE ON DOWN TO ON DOWN THIS WAY, ABOUT 6 OR 7 MILES. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ENDANGERED SPECIES 15 OR 20 OR SOMETHING IT'S HE TALKED ABOUT THREE CREEK THAT THERE WAS SUCH A CONCENTRATION OF UNUSUAL OR, I GUESS, ENDANGERED SPECIES, RIGHT IN THAT AREA AT THREE CREEK, WHICH IS JUST ABOVE THE CARYS BRIDGE LANDING. WELL, AGAIN, IT REFLECTS THE CHARACTER OF SOUTHAMPTON. EXACTLY. WE MIGHT BE THAT LAST GEM THAT STAYS IN PLACE. RIGHT, RIGHT IT'S A PROTECTION. WE NEED TO ACT RESPONSIBLY. RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS TOPIC? IS THERE ANY OTHER NEW BUSINESS? IF NOT, OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE SEPTEMBER THE 11TH AT 7:00 P.M. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE TO COME BEFORE THIS BOARD BEFORE WE ADJOURN? I THIS IS FROM SEPTEMBER 11TH. SECOND I'M SORRY, MR. RANDOLPH. WE'LL BE BACK AT THE SECOND THIRD YOU LITERALLY YES. PARTICIPANTS PUT [LAUGHTER] A TUBE OF GORILLA GLUE IT WASN'T A QUESTION ALLSTON SUGGESTION. IT'S A NO BRAINER YOU KNOW, IS TYPICAL SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT, BUT I DON'T WANT IT [LAUGHTER]. WE THANK MR. DRAKE FOR ALLOWING 16 ACRES OF FARMLAND TO BE DEVELOPED [LAUGHTER]. WELL, BEFORE [LAUGHTER]. BEFORE WE ADJOURN, I DO WANT TO MAKE ONE OF THOSE COMMENTS [LAUGHTER]. SOMETHING TO YOU ALL TO BE THINKING ABOUT IT. YES, I HAVE SEEN THAT AREA DEVELOP UP, IN FACT, WHERE ELECTRICAL MOTOR AND HELENA CHEMICAL BEFORE THAT WAS THERE. THAT WAS THAT WAS ALL FARMLAND, IF I REMEMBER. DON'T BE CAREFUL NOW YOU CAN TELL YOUR AGE. I KNOW BUT ANYWAY [LAUGHTER]. BUT WE. BUT, MR. RANDOLPH, WE HAVE A CHANCE TO MAKE THIS AREA SOMETHING TO BE VERY PROUD OF. THERE'S SOMEONE'S FAMILY, OF COURSE LONG TIME FARMING FAMILY. AND ANYWAY, THEY DECIDED THAT IT JUST MIGHT BE THE MOOD THEY WANT TO MAKE AS A FAMILY UNIT. I RESPECT THAT. BUT IT'S THE LOCATION FOR EVERYTHING. SO I DO SEE THAT BEING PREMIER REAL ESTATE FOR DEVELOPER. AND I THINK I THINK THAT FELLOWS ARE GOING TO MAKE SURE IT'S DONE RIGHT. ONE CONCERN. WELL, THE MAJOR CONCERN TONIGHT WAS THE TRAFFIC. I'M GLAD YOU ALL SEE SOME OF THE BLUNDERS THAT COULD OCCUR THERE, BUT HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET THAT STRAIGHT. [01:10:01] I'M GONNA BRING UP THE WORD UTILITIES. YOU KNOW, I'M A BIG ADVOCATE. AS THESE THESE AREAS DEVELOP, WHETHER IT BE HOUSING OR COMMERCIAL. TAP ON TO OUR UTILITIES, OUR KIND OF KIND OF SYSTEM. AGAIN, I KNOW I NOTICED IT WAS A NOTE MADE. IT WAS TOO FAR AWAY AGAIN. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT PROCESS STARTS. BUT, YOU KNOW, IN OUR, IN OUR PLANNING SCHOOL THAT WE'VE ALL ATTENDED. MR. CLAUDE, YOU WILL BE. HAVE YOU? ARE YOU CERTIFIED? NOT YET. ALL RIGHT YOU WILL BE, YOU WILL BE. IF I PAY AS BELIEVE YOU CAN DO IT TOO. IT'S REALLY INTERESTING COURSE. TO YOU THE FIRST CLIENT, AND THEN IT BUILDS IT. IT STRANGLES OUT. AND WE HAVEN'T MADE THAT HAPPEN. WE REALLY HAVEN'T HAD A CASE SCENARIO FOR THAT HAPPENED. BUT NOW THIS AREA, I SEE THE POTENTIAL POSSIBLY. AND I'M GLAD YOU BRING THAT UP. WE'RE CERTAINLY GOING TO TRY TO ADVOCATE FOR THAT. THE BANK ITSELF OBVIOUSLY NOT A BIG WATER USER OR SEWER BUT SUPPOSE IT WAS A MOTEL. BUT YEAH, THE UTILITIES WE DO HAVE ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY. THEY'RE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THE MOTEL SIDE, SO FORTH THE 7-ELEVEN, THAT AREA RIGHT THERE. WE YOU GOT MR. RANDOLPH'S. WELL, YEAH [LAUGHTER]. DOWN NEAR THE INTERSECTION. YEAH WE GOT THAT BOARD YES I DON'T KNOW PROVIDE THAT SEWER CONNECTION TO THE SOUTH SIDE OR EXTEND FROM THE SOUTH SIDE TO THERE. AND THAT'S HOW WE GET THE WATER AND SEWER ACROSS 58 TO THAT PROPERTY. OKAY SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. YOU KNOW THIS IS A START. WE'VE GOT A THIS IS GOING TO BE A GREAT BUT WE GOT TO BE LOOKING FORWARD, YOU KNOW. SO YEAH THIS I'M EXCITED, I'M EXCITED. YEAH WE DON'T HAVE A HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT WHERE WE REQUIRE, YOU KNOW EVERYBODY IN THIS ZONE HAS TO USE BRICK OR, YOU KNOW, ALL THE STANDARDS. SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH TOWN BANK TO KIND OF SET THAT STANDARD FOR THE LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT ALONG THAT SIDE. WELL, I RESPECT SIMMONS FAMILY. I THINK THEY HAD AN INPUT ON THE DESIGN AS WELL. AND I THANK YOU ALL FOR I THINK IT REFLECTS OUR CHARACTER. HE SHOWED THAT THE FIRST DAY WE MET WITH THE BANK, HE SHOWED US BASICALLY WHAT HE HAD HE HAD TAKEN IT OUT OF SOUTHERN LIVING MAGAZINE WELL, I. IT SHOWS YEAH I THINK IT'S GREAT FOR THE AREA FOR SURE. YEAH. IT'S GONNA LOOK GOOD ALL RIGHT ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECOND. MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL RIGHT [8. MEETING SCHEDULE] SECOND THURSDAY [LAUGHTER]. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.