[1. CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL] [00:00:04] I CALLED A MEETING TO ORDER. I'M GOING TO ASK EVERYBODY TO STAND PLEASE, WHILE WE RECITE THE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO OUR FLAG. ALLEGIANCE]. I'M GOING TO ASK IF EVERYONE WILL REMAIN STANDING, AND I'LL HAVE A BRIEF INVOCATION AS YOU PLEASE JOIN ME. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE GIVE THANKS FOR THIS EVENING, LORD, THAT WE CAN COME TOGETHER TO DISCUSS THE BUSINESS OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY AND FOR THE APPLICANTS HERE TONIGHT. WE'RE HERE TO LISTEN, TO HEAR WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING FOR THEIR PROPERTIES. AND WE ASK THAT YOU GOT US. THEY WILL MAKE A GOOD DECISION THAT WILL BE PLEASING TO YOU. LORD, WE ASK YOU TO CONTINUE BLESSINGS UPON US, OUR SAFETY. AND FOR THE ONES, LORD, AND ESPECIALLY THE ONES IN TEXAS TONIGHT. THEY ARE STILL PICKING UP THE PIECES. WE HAVE ALL THOSE FAMILIES THAT LOST LOVED ONES. AND LORD, JUST REMIND US HOW THANKFUL WE ARE HERE. GIVE US A SAFE TRIP HOME TO BE WITH OUR FAMILIES TONIGHT AS WE LEAVE HERE AFTER THIS MEETING. THESE ARE ALL THINGS WITH YOUR SON'S NAME, JESUS CHRIST. AMEN. AMEN. MAY BE SEATED. I'D LIKE TO WELCOME YOU ALL HERE TO OUR JULY MEETING TONIGHT. AS WELL AS MRS. BAKER. SHE JUST WALKED BACK IN. GLAD TO HAVE HER AND OUR SHERIFF'S IN THE AUDIENCE. GLAD TO HAVE HIM. SO GLAD YOU'VE BEEN HERE. I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG OUR MEETING WILL BE, BUT WE'LL BE HERE FOR HOW LONG IT TAKES. SO I'M LOOKING AROUND LIKE EVERYBODY HAS THEIR PACKETS IN FRONT OF THEM. I HOPE YOU HAD TIME TO READ THEM AND TO REVIEW THE MINUTES. [2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] SO WE'LL GO RIGHT DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER 2 FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. IS THERE ANY CORRECTIONS OR ADDITIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE TO THE MINISTER FOR APPROVAL? ANY REMARKS? I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. I HAVE A PROPER MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. I HAVE A PROPER SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? LIKE SIGN. CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER 3. PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AT THIS TIME. I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR. ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD, THAT HAS ANYTHING PERTINENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONCERNING THE COUNTY, EXCEPT. WE KNOW I WON'T DO THAT. I WON'T DO THAT TONIGHT. ANYTHING PERTINENT TO THE COUNTY. AND IF YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON THE BUSINESS COMING LATER, THAT'D BE OKAY, TOO. SO I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT, PERIOD. ANYONE, LIKE TO COME FORWARD? IF NOT, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AND WE WILL GO DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER 4. THERE WAS NO PUBLIC HEARINGS ANNOUNCED FOR TONIGHT, CORRECT, MR. RANDOLPH? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. SO NONE PUBLICIZED. SO GOOD. GO DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER 5. AND WE DO HAVE UNFINISHED BUSINESS FROM OUR PRIOR MEETING. [5. UNFINISHED BUSINESS] AND THAT WAS THE APPLICATION BY EAST COAST DEVELOPMENT GROUP. AND I'M GONNA ASK MR. RANDOLPH IF HE WOULD BRING US UP TO WHERE WE'RE AT, AND WE DISCUSSED LAST MEETING AND WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TONIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. AS YOU MAY RECALL THIS APPLICATION WAS THE SUBJECT OF A PUBLIC HEARING AT YOUR LAST MEETING AND WAS CARRIED OVER TO TONIGHT. RIGHT. SEVERAL TOPICS CAME UP. DURING YOUR PREVIOUS MEETING REGARDING THE GENERAL DRAINAGE ON THE PROPERTY. THE WETLAND DELINEATION REPORT OR EXHIBITS THE CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE IMPROVEMENT OF THE PROPERTY. THE FENCING AND ACCESS TO THE STORMWATER RETENTION POND AREA ON THE POSSIBLE FAMILY CEMETERY ON THE PROPERTY, AND THE GENERAL EXTENSION/CONNECTION TO PUBLIC UTILITIES, AS WELL AS CONCERNS OVER THE ZONING INFORMATION. IN YOUR PACKET, YOU DO HAVE A MEMO I PROVIDED, WHICH I ATTEMPTED TO ADDRESS ALL OF THOSE ITEMS IN THAT MEMO. YOU DO HAVE TWO ADDITIONAL EXHIBITS IN YOUR PACKET. THE FIRST IS THE GENERAL DRAINAGE BASIN FOR THAT PARTICULAR AREA. AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S FAIRLY VAST, THE PLAYGROUND DRAINAGE BASIN. AND THEN A SMALLER SUBSET SHOWING THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION. YOU DO HAVE THE AMENDED PROFFER STATEMENT FROM THE APPLICANT AND IN FRONT OF YOU, WHICH JUST CAME IN EARLIER THIS WEEK, [00:05:04] SO IT WAS NOT ABLE TO BE IN YOUR PACKET, IS THE WETLAND EXHIBIT THAT WAS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT. AND IT SHOWS YOU KNOW, TWO AREAS OF WETLANDS ON THAT PROPERTY. OKAY. IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS I CAN YOU ADDRESS THEM? LIKE, SO THIS IS NOT A HEARING. WE CONCLUDE OUR HEARING LAST MEETING, BUT I DO, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. IF ANY ONE OF YOU GENTLEMEN LIKE TO COME FORWARD. YES, AND I THINK I'VE ALREADY FIGURED THIS OUT, BY THE WAY, WE APPRECIATE YOU GETTING THE ANSWERS TO OUR QUESTIONS BACK. OH, YES, SIR. AND FOR MY INTERPRETATION OF THE MAP. MAY I APPROACH TO LOOK AT IT? I THINK YOU'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER IT. IS IT DRAINAGE? LOOKS LIKE IT GOES. IT DOES NOT GO TOWARD THE HIGHWAY. IT GOES BACK TOWARD FLAG RUN. WHAT'S THE LITTLE. YES, SIR. JACK. LIKE THE [INAUDIBLE] DOES THAT HAVE A NAME, LIKE THE FLAG RUN AT 258? [INAUDIBLE] THAT USED TO BE THE PARK. I DON'T THINK IT HAS. OKAY, I'M GONNA CALL IT A FLAG, LIKE GOES BACK TO THAT AREA. YES, SIR. BASE ON MY INTERPRETATION. YES, SIR. BASICALLY, IT'S A SWAMP. AND BASED UPON THE MAPPING, IT LOOKS LIKE FOR THE MOST PART, IT RUNS NORTH. AND THEN IT KIND OF, THERE'S SHALLOW, MAYBE SHALLOW ROADSIDE DITCHES. SHALLOW CULVERTS. BASICALLY IT MOVES OVER TO THE FLAG RUN. RIGHT. AND THEN AND THEN WAY SOUTH IT ENTERS INTO THE NOTTOWAY. RIGHT. SO I THINK MY QUESTION LAST TIME WAS GOING TO FLOW UNDER THE ROAD TO THE LAD WHO HAD A CONCERN. NO. BUT IT WAS LIKE IT FLOWS THE OPPOSITE WAY. YES, SIR. OKAY. YES, SIR. AND THE DEQ THERE JUST SO HEAVILY HAVE REGULATED STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S DOWNSTREAM PROTECTIONS AGAINST EROSION, DOWNSTREAM PROTECTIONS AGAINST PEAK FLOWS AND HAVE TO RETAIN AND ALL AND, AND THEN THEY EVEN WANT YOU TO REGULATE THE TIME IT TAKES FOR THE WATER TO DRAIN THROUGH THE POND WITH BAFFLING AND DIFFERENT ROCK CHECK DAMS IN THE POND AND THINGS. SO THE DOWNSTREAM IS GOING TO BE WELL PROTECTED. SIR, I THINK WE'VE CLARIFIED THAT ISSUE. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THIS GENTLEMAN? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I MEAN, IS EVERYBODY SATISFIED WITH THE ANSWERS THAT WE RECEIVED? I THINK THAT WAS GOOD. I APPRECIATE, MR. RANDOLPH FOLLOWING IT THROUGH, AND. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION. YES, SIR. NOW, YOUR PHASE ONE WAS UNDER THE OLD ORDINANCE. DO YOU AGREE THAT PHASE TWO IS NOT, THAT ORDINANCE IS NOT APPLICABLE? WHICH ORDINANCE, SIR? WHICH ORDINANCE? WELL, PHASE TWO REQUIRES STREET LIGHTS AND SIDEWALKS. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE OPERATING UNDER THAT ORDINANCE? FOR PHASE ONE? NO. NOT RIGHT NOW. PHASE ONE, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING SIDEWALKS. NO, I'M TELLING YOU, THEY WON'T PHASE ONE, BUT PHASE TWO. THE ORDINANCE SAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE SIDEWALKS AND STREET LIGHTS. OKAY. NOT, NOT A PROBLEM, NOT A PROBLEM. MR. RANDOLPH, COULD YOU CLARIFY, IS THAT CORRECT? ALWAYS. SAID CONSTRUCTION WAS STARTED. BOTH PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO DO REQUIRE SIDEWALKS AND STREETLIGHTS. BOTH PHASES? YEAH. BECAUSE IT'S TIME OF DEVELOPMENT, ISN'T IT? AND IT'S AT ONE SIDE OF THE STREET OR THE OTHER. ONE SIDE OF THE STREET, YEAH. THEY'RE NOT ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET, BUT WITH THE LOOP. OKAY. YOU'LL HAVE TO DETERMINE WHAT'S BEST, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER AND AS TO WHICH SIDE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO MAKE SENSE ON THE PHASE TWO, BECAUSE THAT'S MORE OF A STRAIGHT ROUTE. RIGHT. THERE WAS SOME QUESTION ABOUT THAT. SO IS YOUR ANSWER IS YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE STREET LIGHTING AND SIDEWALKS. I BELIEVE SO, RIGHT? YEAH. I THAT'S REQUIRED. YES. IF IT'S REQUIRED, SIR. YES, SIR. YES. ANY SUBDIVISION 25 LOTS OR MORE REQUIRE SIDEWALKS. ANY SUBDIVISION OF SIX LOTS OR MORE REQUIRE STREET LIGHTS. OKAY. AND ANYTHING 15 LOTS OR MORE REQUIRES THE COMMUNITY WELL SYSTEM WHICH THEY HAVE PROPOSED TO DO. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? PHASE ONE AND TWO IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED ALMOST SIMULTANEOUSLY. [00:10:02] YOU KNOW, PHASE ONE FIRST AND PHASE TWO IN SHORT PROXIMITY. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. THAT'S THAT'S PRETTY TRUE. YES, SIR. IF WE'RE SUCCESSFUL WITH THE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON PHASE TWO. YES, SIR. THEY'LL GO TO. HOUSES, ARE SELLING, NEW CONSTRUCTION'S SELLING PRETTY QUICK RIGHT NOW. I IMAGINE SO. ISN'T THAT TRUE? YES. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY. THEY'RE CLOSELY JOINED AT THE HIP. MOSTLY BECAUSE OF DRAINAGE, BECAUSE THIS RETENTION BASIN IS GOING TO SERVE BOTH PHASES. SO THEY ARE JOINED AT THE HIP. YES, SIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. I HEARD A COMMENT WHILE AGO THAT YOU FOLLOW THE ORDINANCE AT THE TIME CONSTRUCTION IS STARTED AND NOT AT THE APPLICATION TIME. I THINK THE BUILDING CODE IS TIME OF CONSTRUCTION, IS THAT CORRECT? I WAS ASKING A RHETORICAL QUESTION TO, WELL. THE BUILDING CODE AS FAR AS ACTUAL HOUSE BUILDING ITSELF, THAT HAS TO MEET WHATEVER THE CURRENT BUILDING STANDARDS ARE. AS FAR AS FOR THE ZONING SUBDIVISION, IT'S WHENEVER THAT APPROVED PLAN BECAUSE PHASE ONE, THE ZONING IS IN PLACE. SURE. BUT THERE'S NO ACTUAL APPROVED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH NOW BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS BEING WORKED THROUGH NOW, IT HAS TO MEET ALL THE CURRENT. AND THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I WAS RIGHT. OKAY. SO THERE WOULD BE NO ASSUMPTION THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO ITEM ONE, TWO AND THREE IN PHASE ONE SEPARATE THAN PHASE TWO AND. THEY WOULD ALL HAVE TO MEET THE SAME STANDARDS. YES. OF THE SIDEWALKS, STREETLIGHTS, COMMUNITY WELLS, DRAINAGE, STATE STREETS, ALL THE. THE WHOLE PROJECT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH EACH OTHER. CORRECT, YES. AND AS I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT'S ENGINEER HAD POINTED OUT, BECAUSE THE STORMWATER RETENTION POND TECHNICALLY BEYOND THE PHASE TWO SITE, THEY MORE OR LESS HAVE TO BE DEVELOPED AT THE SAME TIME, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE DRAINAGE IS GOING TO GO TO STORMWATER. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SO SINCE THE LAST MEETING, JUST TO GO BACK AND RECAP WHAT MR. RANDOLPH MENTIONED EARLIER, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT DID PASS, SO IT'S KIND OF SET FORTH TO GO FORWARD. SO TONIGHT WE'RE FOLLOWING UP ON THE ACTUAL REZONING APPLICATION. THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF TONIGHT. SO IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ACTION ON THIS MATTER. I'LL MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE THE APPLICATION. A PROPER MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS PRESENTED. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. I HAVE A PROPER SECOND. IS ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I WOULD JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, AND I WENT OUT TO LOOK AT THIS SITE, AND I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE BECAUSE IT'S IN MY DISTRICT AND WE HUNT RIGHT THERE. AND YOU KNOW, PHASE ONE HAS BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME, WITH PART OF THE ROAD DONE, AND THE GATE, AND IT LOOKS LIKE A PERFECT SITE FOR HOUSES. I DON'T SEE WHAT ELSE YOU CAN DO THERE. I MEAN, AND THE PHASE TWO, I MEAN, BEING THAT PHASE ONE IS APPROVED, IT KIND OF SEEMS LIKE PHASE TWO IS JUST A PIECE OF IT AND MAKES IT SLIGHTLY LARGER. IT'S NOT IMMENSE. AND AGAIN, YOU'VE HEARD MY COMMENTS ABOUT 58 AND HOUSES AND GETTING OUT, BUT I DROVE THAT AFTER OUR LAST COMMENT. IT IS, HE WAS ACCURATE ABOUT TWO, A LITTLE BIT PAST TWO MILES. I LOOKED AT MY ODOMETER. SO IT'S JUST IT SEEMS LIKE IT SHOULD BE CLOSER, BUT IT'S NOT. SO A COMMUNITY WELL, IS THE ONLY OPTION. UNTIL WE GET SOME TECHNOLOGY THAT'S BETTER, THAT CAN HOOK UP FOR OUR SEWER STATION OUT THERE. BUT IT'S BEEN SITTING THERE WITH NOTHING HAPPENING FOR A LONG TIME. I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG, BUT IT'S BEEN, I GUESS SINCE 2008. IT SEEMS LONGER. BUT PHASE TWO JUST SEEMS TO BE AN ADD ON. IT'S NOT AN AGRICULTURAL USE. AND IT'S JUST KIND OF AN ADD ON. [00:15:07] SO IT SEEMS, THAT'S WHY I'M MAKING A MOTION TO APPROVE IT. IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE A BENEFIT. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS, YOUNG FAMILIES THAT DO REAL ESTATE CLOSINGS. THEY'RE LOOKING FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. THEY WANT A NEW HOUSE, AND THEY WANT TO LIVE CLOSE TO 58 AND. CLOSE TO A TOWN. I WISH IT WAS CLOSER TO 58 FOR OUR PUMP STATION, BUT IT JUST IS WHAT IT IS. IT IS CLOSE TO THE TOWN LIMIT. IT IS CLOSE TO THE TOWN LIMITS. THAT'S WHY WE ENCOURAGE IT. SO THAT, YOU KNOW, NOT IMPACTING AGRICULTURAL LAND. RIGHT. WHICH I THINK WE AGREE ON THAT. SO THAT'S WHY I'M MAKING THE MOTION TO APPROVE IT. IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION? WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND A SECOND. BUT, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL ASK MR. RANDOLPH IF YOU'LL CALL FOR THE ROLL CALL. VOTE, PLEASE. YES, SIR. MR. CHAIRMAN. ALLSTON. AYE. EDWARDS. YES. RANDALL. AYE. URQUHART. AYE. MANN. AYE. MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU WISH TO VOTE. YES. OKAY. YEAH, ALL RIGHT. CONGRATULATIONS, GENTLEMEN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. START TO MOVE FORWARD, AND WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO YOU ALL GETTING STARTED. AND WISH YOU ALL THE VERY BEST. WELL, WE GOT TO GO THROUGH THE SUPERVISOR FIRST. BUT ANYWAY, YOU PASS THIS HURDLE, OKAY. WE'RE GOING HAVE A, ONCE WE PUT OUR MODEL UP. WE CAN GET THE INFORMATION. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BIG OPENING HOUSE PARTY. YOU GUYS BE WELCOME TO COME OUT. KIND OF STALL IN. YEAH, DEFINITELY. HEY, WE LIKE BARBECUE. [LAUGHTER] OH. IS IT. OKAY, WE'LL FIGURE. NO, I'M JUST TEASING. SO, NOT BARBECUE. NO BARBECUE, DEFINITELY. OKAY. THANK YOU. IF Y'ALL WANT TO STAY, YOU CAN STAY, OR YOU CAN EXCUSE. [INAUDIBLE] ALL RIGHT. THANKS AGAIN. ALL RIGHT. DEFINITELY A BOAT LANDING. SO WE'LL CONTINUE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 6, IN THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE NEW BUSINESS. [6. NEW BUSINESS] AND AT THIS TIME, MR. RANDOLPH WILL DISCUSS THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS AND THE TERM LIMITS THAT WE HAVE OR THE EXPIRATION DATES. I THINK IT'S IN OUR PACKET. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. AS YOU ARE AWARE, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS RECENTLY AMENDED THE REPRESENTATION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO AN EIGHT MEMBER BODY. THERE'S ONE APPOINTMENT FROM EACH OF THE FIVE ELECTION DISTRICTS, ONE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE GOVERNING BODY AND TWO AT LARGE MEMBERS. YOU DO HAVE THE MEMBERS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS AND THEIR TERM EXPIRATIONS. MR. WILLIAM DAY'S TERM EXPIRED ON APRIL 30TH OF 2025. IT IS ANTICIPATED THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MAY CONSIDER AN APPOINTMENT FROM THE NORTHWEST DISTRICT AT THEIR MEETING ON JULY 22ND, 2025. THEY'RE MEETING LATER THIS MONTH. THERE ARE CURRENTLY TWO APPOINTMENTS FROM THE SOUTHWEST DISTRICT THAT WOULD BE MISTER MANN AND MISTER DRAKE. AS YOU ARE AWARE, THAT DISTRICT GOING FORWARD WILL ONLY HAVE ONE APPOINTMENT FROM THAT DISTRICT. HOWEVER, BOTH MEMBERS, MR. DRAKE AND MR. MANN, WILL CONTINUE TO SERVE THEIR TERM UNTIL THEIR TERM EXPIRES. AND FOR YOU, MR. MANN, THAT WOULD BE APRIL 30TH OF NEXT YEAR. AND FOR YOU, MR. DRAKE, THAT WOULD BE APRIL. WHERE? DOO DOO DOO DOO DOO DOO DOO DOO DOO. HOLD ON. APRIL 30TH, 2027. CORRECT. YOU DO ALSO HAVE A MAP IN YOUR PACKET WHICH DEPICTS THE FIVE ELECTION DISTRICTS THE NORTHWEST, NORTHEAST, CENTRAL, SOUTHEAST, AND SOUTHWEST. MR. RANDOLPH, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE IF EACH ONE OF US WANTED TO SEE OUR RESPECTIVE DISTRICTS TO GET A LITTLE MORE CLARITY ON EXACTLY, SOME OF THE HIGHWAYS OR BOUNDARIES OR WHATEVER, SOMETIMES NOT A HIGHWAY. IS THAT POSSIBLE TO GET IT ON ONE SHEET? YES. DISTRICT. I'D BE HAPPY TO PUT THEM TOGETHER FOR EACH OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS. THIS IS. WE'LL PUT IT ON A LARGER 11 BY 17 FOR YOU AND REALLY FOCUS IN ON SOME OF THE SECONDARY STREETS SO YOU GET A BETTER IDEA OF WHERE THE DISTRICT. [00:20:07] I HAVE A BIG DETAILED MAP. OKAY. OKAY. JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, MR. MANN WAS HERE LONG BEFORE I CAME ON. SO HE'S A SEASONED OFFICER HERE, AND HE NEEDS TO BE IN THAT POSITION FOR EVEN LONGER. WELL, IN THAT APPOINTMENT, WE'LL BE COMING UP IN APRIL OF NEXT YEAR. SUPERVISOR FACING WOULD BE THE SOUTHWEST DISTRICT SUPERVISOR, SO HE WOULD MAKE THE APPOINTMENT AS TO THE APPROPRIATE COMMISSIONER. OKAY, ALRIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU, I REALIZED IT TOOK A LOT OF INVESTIGATIVE WORK, YOU AND YOUR STAFF TO COME UP. WHEN THOSE TURNS WERE SET, AND WE APPRECIATE THAT. NOW THAT WE'VE GOT THAT ALL SQUARED AWAY, WE'LL KEEP UP WITH IT FROM THIS POINT FORWARD. AND CERTAINLY WE'LL TRY TO REMIND THE RESPECTIVE SUPERVISORS WHEN THEIR REPRESENTATIVE IS COMING UP FOR REAPPOINTMENT. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ONE NOTE WE DO HAVE TO UPDATE THE WEBSITE, BECAUSE MR. TURNER'S TERM STILL LISTS 2024, ALTHOUGH HE WAS REAPPOINTED IN 2024, SO. VERY GOOD. WE'LL MAKE THAT CORRECTION AS WELL. ALL RIGHT. TIME FLIES WHEN YOU'RE HAVING FUN. IT DOES. IT DOES, IT DOES FLY BY. ALL RIGHT. ANY MORE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON THAT. IF NOT JUST NOW GOT SOME GREAT INFORMATION TO START IT OUT. BECAUSE I ALREADY GOT SOME BEFORE THIS MEETING, BUT STILL, WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT INFORMATION REGARDING BATTERY STORAGE AND DATA CENTERS AND, OF COURSE, THE VIRGINIA CLEAN ECONOMY ACT. THAT KIND OF OVERSEEING ALL OF THIS ENDORSEMENT, YOU MIGHT SAY. BUT WE BETTER GET READY FOR WHAT MAY BE COMING AT US. I MADE A COMMENT BEFORE THAT SOMETIMES THESE ISSUES POP UP AND WE'RE NOT REALLY PREPARED, AND THEN WE FIND OURSELVES BACKTRACKING AND TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF IT, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE US CONTINUE PURSUING THESE TOPICS. IT COULD HAVE AN INFLUENCE ON US SOONER THAN WE THINK. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, IT DEPENDS ON TALK, JUST GENERAL TALK. I DON'T KNOW. IT'S HIS. I'M GOING TO ASK MR. RANDOLPH TO TURN IT OVER TO YOU, LET YOU ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT. I'M GOING TO ASK THE BOARD MEMBERS. HAS ANYONE EVER SEEN OR VISITED OR BEEN BY AND SEEN EITHER A BATTERY STORAGE FACILITY OR A DATA CENTER? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. ANYBODY SEEN IT? OH, I MEAN, I THINK THE IDEAL THING WOULD BE TO ARRANGE A FORMAL TOUR OF ONE WITH THE BOARD, WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. DO YOU KNOW HOW FAR? ANYBODY KNOW HOW FAR WE MIGHT HAVE TO TRAVEL? I THINK WE GOT ONE IN THAT'S OUT OF BRUNSWICK, DON'T THEY? MECKLENBURG COUNTY. MECKLENBURG. IS AT MECKLENBURG COUNTY. I'VE SEEN THAT ONE, AND I'VE SEEN A COUPLE IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA. OKAY. THE MECKLENBURG IS ON THE HIGHWAY 58, RIGHT? RIGHT OUTSIDE OF BRUNSWICK. SOUTH 58. SOUTH 58. SOUTH HILL. YES, SOUTH HILL. OKAY. SOUTH. I THINK SOUTH HILLS. WOULD THAT BE. RIGHT NEAR THE LINE. WOULD THAT BE HELPFUL TO US? I MEAN, DO WE NEED TO SEE IT? I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA FOR US TO GO AND TALK TO THE LOCAL OFFICIALS AND THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE AND SEE EXACTLY WHAT THEY FEEL ABOUT. I DO AGREE. SO FAR, THE LOCAL GOVERNING BODY ELEMENTS IN THE CITY LIMITS ON THE COUNTY. BUT TO SEE YOU KNOW, THE PROS AND CONS AND SEE HOW THEY WERE AHEAD OF THE DAY. YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY DID TO BECAUSE IT MAY BE ANOTHER ONE COMING, YOU KNOW. YEAH. MECKLENBURG EVIDENTLY THEY BUILT A COUPLE OF NEW SCHOOLS WITH IT. OKAY. I'VE SEEN THE LARGE FACILITIES, THE EARLY ONES THAT ARE UP IN LOUDOUN. OKAY. YOU KNOW, THE NORTHERN VIRGINIA ONES. AND THAT WAS WHERE I FIRST HEARD ABOUT THE HOME THAT COMES FROM THE DATA CENTERS. RIGHT. OKAY. NOW, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT BATTERIES MAKING NOISE, BUT I DO BELIEVE I'VE HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT THEM BLOWING UP. YEAH, I'VE SEEN THAT. EXPLOSIONS. YEAH. WELL, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD TAKE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK WITH DOMINION. THERE ARE WATER PROBLEMS. THEY USE ALMOST, IF WE HAVE A MEDIUM SIZED ONE HERE, ALMOST AS MUCH WATER AS THE CITY OF FRANKLIN USES EVERY DAY. AND LORD KNOWS HOW MUCH ELECTRICITY. SO THERE WOULD BE THOSE TWO THINGS, SOME OF THEM. [00:25:04] AND THE ONE IN PITTSYLVANIA COUNTY DOWN THERE, I THINK THEY WORKED ON IT 4 YEARS AND IT FINALLY FELL THROUGH. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED DOWN THERE, BUT LET'S GO TAKE A LOT OF LONG TERM PLANNING. YEAH, AND I AGREE, I THINK THAT THE WATER USAGE FOR THE COOLING AND THE CURRENT USAGE WOULD BE HUGE DETERMINATIONS, YOU KNOW, ABOUT APPROVAL. BUT THEN AGAIN, WHAT IS WHAT IS THE FACILITY LOOK LIKE? I MEAN, I SEE THE PICTURES, BUT I THINK. AND WHO DOES IT SERVE? RIGHT? IS IT SERVE OF THE, YOU KNOW, IS IT FOR THE BENEFIT OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY OR IS IT FOR SOMEPLACE ELSE? RIGHT. WELL, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IF YOU LOOK. I THINK RECENTLY THERE'S A COUPLE OF COUNTIES AROUND RICHMOND THAT TURNED THEM DOWN. THIS THIS IS A PROJECT. YOU KNOW, VIRGINIA IS THE DATA CENTER CAPITAL OF THE WORLD. RIGHT? MOST OF IT'S IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA. I THINK THERE'S ONLY ONE IN THIS AREA, WHICH IS IN VIRGINIA BEACH. SO NORTHERN VIRGINIA DOESN'T WANT ANY MORE. SO THE IDEAL THING WAS, IF ONE WOULD FIT HERE, WE WOULD MAKE A LOT OF GOOD TAX MONEY, IF IT WOULD FIT. BUT IT WOULD TAKE A LOT OF WORK AND A LOT OF FITTING. WELL, RIGHT NOW, MR. RANDOLPH, IF THERE WAS AN APPLICATION FOR A AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE BATTERY STORAGE AND THE DATA CENTER HAVE SIMILAR. LIKE, LIKE IF WE WANTED TO TO DRAFT AN ORDINANCE, WE COULD PROBABLY KILL TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE. IT SEEMS TO ME, AND I THINK SEVERAL OF THE LOCALITIES IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA TRIED TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND THEY THREW OTHER THINGS IN THERE. BUT IF SOMEONE WANTED THIS IN SOUTHAMPTON RIGHT NOW, WOULD IT BE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT? WELL, AS YOU'RE AWARE, WE HAVE A BRIEF SECTION IN OUR ORDINANCE IN THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING FOR DATA CENTERS, 30 ACRES OR MORE. THAT'S ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE ON DATA CENTERS. WE DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING IN THE ORDINANCE UNDER BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS. AS A ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, I WOULD JUST HAVE TO MAKE THE TECHNICAL CALL THAT IT WOULD FALL UNDER A CONDITIONAL USE BASED UPON. BUT IT'S AMBIGUOUS RIGHT NOW. YEAH. BASED UPON IT BEING THE PROBLEM THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. BECAUSE I THINK WE WANT IS A PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THE POLITICIANS HAVE TO DECIDE THE POLITICS. BUT WE, I THINK, SHOULD WANT TO GIVE THE BOARD CONTROL AS MUCH CONTROL AS POSSIBLE FOR PROFFERS, JUST LIKE SOLAR PANELS. SO I THINK THAT WE COULD DRAFT OR AT LEAST LOOK AT. I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE ISSUE BECAUSE. AND I THINK YOU'LL MAKE A GOOD CALL, BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO ON THE SIDE OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. BUT WHAT IF WE HAD SOMEONE THAT DIDN'T? BUT I HAVE CONFIDENCE IN YOU, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD. AND I COMPLAIN ABOUT OUR ORDINANCES THAT THEY'RE OUTDATED. BUT TO AMEND THEM IS GOING TO COST A LOT. BEFORE WE JUMP INTO THAT, LET'S GO LOOK AT A FACILITY AND TALK TO THE COUNTY IN MECKLENBURG OR SOMEBODY ELSE AROUND THAT. I THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT TOO, BUT I THINK THAT WE SHOULD START TO EXPLORE AMENDING, ADDING, YOU KNOW, THE AMBIGUOUS WHERE THE BATTERY STORAGE FACILITY, I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING PRETTY SIMPLE THAT WE COULD ADD. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING WE PROBABLY COULD DO WITHIN SIX MONTHS TO, TO LOOK AT AND TAKE OUR TIME WITH, PUT IT ON THE AGENDA MAYBE 3 OR 4 TIMES, LOOK AT OUR OPTIONS AND WHAT WE DO. BUT I ALWAYS LOOK AT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS THAT WE HAVE THE I THINK OF IT LIKE CLAY, LIKE WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO MOLD IT. AND THEN THE ACREAGE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD BUMP THAT UP, BUMP IT DOWN, BUT LEAVE IT IN THE DISCRETION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT PROTECTS SOUTHAMPTON TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET, YOU KNOW, ALL THE ORANGE JUICE OUT OF THAT ORANGE. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT AREAS IN THE COUNTY WOULD BE IDEAL SITES FOR BATTERY AND FOR DATA STORAGE. WELL, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE MANY BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO NEED THE WATER AND THE POWER. WELL, I WAS ABOUT TO SAY HOW TO HAVE THE WATER. SO 58 OR 450. TO HAVE THE TRANSMISSION LINE, JUST LIKE YOU DO FOR THE SOLAR. SO I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THAT LIMITS THE NUMBER OF SITES, POTENTIAL SITES IN THE COUNTY. BUT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO KNOW WHERE THOSE AREAS ARE THAT MIGHT BE POTENTIAL SITES AND BE ENTICEMENTS TO [00:30:05] LANDOWNERS TO SELL OFF THEIR LAND. IT'S KIND OF BEING AHEAD OF THE CURVE, RIGHT? WELL, THAT CAN BE A MAJOR CONCERN MOMENTARILY FOR RIGHT NOW AS FAR AS THE NEED FOR WATER AND EVERYTHING. BUT FROM THE RESEARCH, I'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF THE DATA CENTERS AND THE BATTERY STORAGE THINGS ARE GOING INTO A THING CALLED IMMERSION COOLING, WHICH INSTEAD OF USING WATER THEY USE, LIKE A, FOR LACK OF BETTER THING, A ANTIFREEZE TYPE SITUATION WHERE THE ENTIRE ELECTRICAL COMPONENTS ARE IMMERSED IN THIS THING TO BETTER HAVE HEAT TRANSFER, BUT THEN YOU GET AWAY FROM ALL OF YOUR OTHER COOLING TOWERS AND EVERYTHING, WHICH GIVES THAT HUM ON THE OUTSIDE. ALSO FOR YOUR BATTERY STORAGE THINGS, THEY'RE LOOKING AT - THEY'RE ACTUALLY BUILDING THOSE AND EVERYTHING AND IMMERSING THE ENTIRE STORAGE SITUATION THERE, WHICH ALSO DELINEATES THE NEED FOR THE FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM BECAUSE IT STOPS THE RUNAWAY SITUATION. THEY ARE ON THE LITHIUM BATTERIES. AND THAT IS RAPIDLY GOING ON. AND THERE ARE ONLY THREE FIRMS IN THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW THAT ARE MANUFACTURING THAT ALL. ALL OF THAT TECHNOLOGY IS CURRENTLY IN CHINA, AND CHINA IS WAY AHEAD OF THE GAME ON IT. SO BUT WITH OUR CURRENT POLITICAL SITUATION THERE WITH USING CHINESE PARTS AND WHATEVER LIKE THAT LIMITS US IN OUR TECHNOLOGY. ARE THOSE UNITS ONLY ASSOCIATED WITH TRANSMISSION LINES OR, YOU KNOW, CAN. I'M JUST WONDERING, CAN YOU PUT THESE THINGS ANYWHERE IN THE SPACE. THE BATTERY STORAGE PLACES? YOU CAN PRETTY MUCH PUT IT IN BECAUSE IT'S BASICALLY JUST LIKE YOUR MODULAR UNITS. BIG BOX. YEAH. THAT YOU PUT ON A, YOU KNOW, TRAILER LIKE THAT, THEN THEY JUST MOD IT OUT ON HOW MANY UNITS THEY'LL NEED TO HANDLE THE CURRENT CAPACITY THAT THEY'RE HANDLING FROM THEIR SOLAR OR, YOU KNOW, RENEWABLE ENERGY SOURCES. BECAUSE BASICALLY THEY'RE JUST USING THEM TO BALANCE OUT THE GRID. SO IF YOU FIND OUT WHERE THE BATTERY STORAGE UNIT IS IN MECKLENBURG AND LET US KNOW, WE CAN JUST DRIVE BY AND AND LOOK AT IT. I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A FORM. WE NEED TO TALK WITH THOSE PEOPLE. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK MR. RANDOLPH TO GET THE STUFF TOGETHER AND CONTACT THOSE PEOPLE, WHATEVER THE APPROPRIATE AREA WOULD BE, TO SEE AND ARRANGE FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GO VISIT AND MAYBE VISIT WITH THE LOCAL OFFICIALS WHO WERE THERE ALSO, JUST LIKE WE DID WITH THE SOLAR FARM PLAN WE WENT TO, THAT WAS IN NORTH CAROLINA. OKAY. WELL, THAT WOULD BE VERY INFORMATIVE BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE EXACTLY WHERE THEY ARE IN OLD TECHNOLOGY AND NEW TECHNOLOGY. I MADE THAT SOME MOTION. I HAVE A MOTION THAT WE ACTUALLY MAKE CONTACT AND PLAN A VISIT. SECOND THAT. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? MR. RANDOLPH, DO YOU THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE AND IN LAND THAT WE TRY TO DO THIS? IT'S CERTAINLY WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW TO DO THAT. YES. COULD YOU HELP? OH, YES. YEAH. OKAY. YES. MR. RANDALL, ANY COMMENT? I'M BORED. YOU CAN BET. ALL RIGHT. I LIKE FIELD TRIPS. I THINK IT'D BE VERY HELPFUL. MR. MANN, WHAT DO YOU THINK? MR. URQUHART? YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IT PASSES NOW. I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION THAT WE VISIT A SITE AND MAYBE TALK TO THE OFFICIALS AT THE SAME TIME. I'LL GO IN AND SAY I'LL JUST CALL FOR THAT. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. [INAUDIBLE] IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL. I APPRECIATE YOUR INTEREST. AND I THINK I DO THINK WE NEED TO GET AHEAD OF THE GAME. AND I DON'T KNOW, JUST. I'M JUST KIND OF INDIFFERENT. I DON'T KNOW YET HOW I FEEL, BUT I, YOU KNOW, YOU HEAR ALL SIDES OF THINGS AND SOME OF YOU CAN BELIEVE SOME OR NOT. BUT I THINK THIS WILL BRING A LOT OF CLARITY. AND LIKE DR. [INAUDIBLE] SAID, AND I KNOW SEVERAL OF US WENT TO HALIFAX, I THINK IT WAS. AND THAT WAS VERY INFORMATIVE TALKING AND SEEING AND WALKING THROUGH A SITE AND TALKING TO THE LOCAL OFFICIALS. I THINK IT WAS VERY HELPFUL FOR US PLANNING OUR ORDINANCE AS SUCH. MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY FOLLOW UP. I'M CERTAINLY IN AGREEMENT WITH MR. RANDALL ON THE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM THAT WE SHOULD DEFINE WHAT THAT IS. HAVE SOME GENERAL BASIC REGULATIONS IN PLACE, AND PERHAPS A CONDITIONAL USE THAT WOULD ALLOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND BOARD OF [00:35:07] SUPERVISORS TO IMPOSE OR REQUIRE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS, SITE SPECIFIC TO THAT PARTICULAR APPLICATION AS THEY COME FORWARD. OBVIOUSLY, THAT TECHNOLOGY IS GROWING AND EMERGING. WHETHER IT BE ACCESSORY TO SOLAR DEVELOPMENT OR BACKUP POWER FOR DATA CENTERS, OR TO SIMPLY STORING ENERGY WHEN IT'S LESS EXPENSIVE ON THE GRID AND RELEASING IT OUT. AS MR. URQUHART POINTED OUT, TO SMOOTH OUT THE UPS AND DOWNS OF THE GRID. SO HAVING SOME REGULATIONS ON THE BOOKS, AND POTENTIALLY WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE, I THINK WOULD CERTAINLY BE BENEFICIAL FOR THE COUNTY. MR. RANDOLPH, I'M GOING TO ENCOURAGE YOU, IF YOU WILL, TO STAY IN TOUCH WITH ISLE OF WIGHT. I THINK IT'S ISLE OF WIGHT IN SURRY, I THINK IT WAS, THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON. WELL THEY ACTUALLY WORKED ON THE ORDINANCE, I THINK. YES. JUST KIND OF KEEP US UPDATED AS THEY PROGRESS. AND LIKE I SAID, GIVE US SOME GUIDELINES. I'M SURE THEY'RE DOING THEIR HOMEWORK ALREADY, AND JUST KIND OF GIVE SOME COMPARISONS AND SUCH FOR US. MR. MANN. WELL IN SOME OF THIS DISCUSSION, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MR. RANDOLPH HAVING THE OPTION TO REQUEST A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. MY THOUGHT IS, LET'S RUN THIS BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. JUST TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH TEETH IN IT TO, AND THAT WE'RE NOT EDUCATED BY SOMEBODY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT COUNTY. YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOME DIRECTION TO GET RIGHT OFF THE BAT, BECAUSE IF WE NEED TO, WE CAN GIVE OURSELVES 12 MONTHS TO GET SOMETHING IN THAT. I DON'T WANT TO USE THAT WORD THAT NOBODY LIKES, BUT. YOU'RE RIGHT. WE DON'T NEED TO GET EDUCATED. YEAH. THE SECTION WE HAVE ON OUR BOOKS RIGHT NOW IN THE ORDINANCE WOULD BE POTENTIALLY HAZARDOUS USES. SO WHETHER IT'S A FIREWORKS FACTORY OR SOMETHING TO THAT, ALL OF THOSE REQUIRE CONDITIONAL USES. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT POTENTIAL THERMAL RUNAWAY FOR FIRE ISSUES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IT CERTAINLY COULD FIT INTO THAT CATEGORY, THUS REQUIRING THE CONDITIONAL USE. BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY AGREE THAT ANY DRAFT ORDINANCES WE PUT TOGETHER, OR EVEN AS WE START TO DISCUSS THAT, TO MAKE SURE THEY MEET THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS, SO. AND I'M JUST GOING BACK WHERE WE GOT BLINDSIDED WITH SOME STUFF WITH THE SOLAR. YES. AND AND LET'S STAY AHEAD OF THE GAME A LITTLE BIT. IT TAKES THE PRESSURE OFF YOUR SHOULDERS. OH, ABSOLUTELY. AND THAT'S THE COUNTY ATTORNEY EARNED HIS KEY. I'D LIKE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE GO TO WHAT, MECKLENBURG? WE'LL PROBABLY GOING TO GET A LOT OF POSITIVE COMMENTS BECAUSE THEY OKAYED IT. NOW, I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE TWO COUNTIES AROUND RICHMOND, I THINK, HENRICO AND CHESTERFIELD THAT RECENTLY TURNED THAT DOWN. I, MR. RANDOLPH DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH TO DO. I LIKED FOR HIM TO RESEARCH THAT AND FIND OUT WHAT THE STORY WAS BEHIND THOSE. I THINK THEY HAD SOME ISSUE SIMILAR EITHER BATTERY STORAGE OR. IN CHESAPEAKE JUST RECENTLY THAT WAS ON THE NEWS. AND THAT I THINK, WHEN I READ IN THE TOP AND THE JUNIOR PILOT WAS IT WAS NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA. RIGHT. AND THEY WERE AND THEY WERE OPPOSED TO IT. YEAH. NOW, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHY. I KNOW. THAT'S WHAT I KNOW YOU'RE GOOD IN THAT. YEAH. WHY WERE THEY OPPOSED TO IT? YOU KNOW, I DON'T. I LIKE TO KNOW THAT, YOU'RE RIGHT. WELL, A LOT OF REPORTING ON THAT THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE WERE AGAINST IT BECAUSE OF, THEY WERE ALLEGING THE NOISE THAT IT WOULD PRESENT TO THE COMMUNITY AND EVERYTHING. AND THE SIZING OF THE PROJECT RIGHT THERE, ALMOST LIKE DROPPING A COSTCO WAREHOUSE INSIDE OF THE COMMUNITY. NO OFFENSE TO COSTCO. BUT THAT'S THE SIZE OF THOSE LARGE CENTERS IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA, AND I'M SURE THEY PROBABLY WENT UP TO HEAR THE BUILDING HUMMING. RIGHT. WELL, MR. RANDOLPH, IF ANYTHING, WE APPRECIATE. I'M COMPILING MY INFORMATION TO YOU SUNDAY NIGHT, BUT ANYTHING ELSE YOU CAN GATHER WOULD CERTAINLY BE BENEFICIAL TO US. AND, WELL, IF YOU JUST SEND IT OUT IN OUR PACKET OR. AND WE'LL TALK AS THE MEETINGS PROGRESSES. WE'LL KIND OF KEEP THIS ON THE BACK BURNER. WE'LL KEEP BRINGING IT UP. AND IT MAY BE, I DON'T KNOW HOW SOON WE CAN SCHEDULE, BUT ANYHOW, WE'LL LEAVE IT AT YOUR DISCRETION. I FEEL, I'LL CALL IT A FIELD TRIP. I WOULD MAKE THE SUGGESTION LOOK SIDES IN NORTH CAROLINA. WE HAD A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT CAME IN WITH THE SOLAR FACILITIES, AND ONE OF OUR FIELD TRIPS WAS IN NORTH CAROLINA, [00:40:01] AND I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHERE THE CLOSEST FACILITY IS DOWN THAT WAY, BUT I BELIEVE IN RICHLAND COUNTY, WHICH IS JUST SOUTHEAST OF CHARLOTTE. THEY APPROVED THE DATA CENTER, I BELIEVE, FROM MICROSOFT, OVER $1 BILLION PROJECT AND SO FORTH, BUT THE CRUX OF WHY THEY CHOSE THAT LOCATION WITH A STRONG UTILITY NETWORK. YOU KNOW, THE WATER HAVING THE POWER AVAILABLE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. SO THAT'S SPECIFICALLY WHY MICROSOFT CHOSE THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION. AND WHEN YOU GO AND LOOK FOR A BATTERY STORAGE SYSTEM AS WELL, YOU KNOW. AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THE BATTERY STORAGE, THESE WOULD BE LARGER ONES THAT MEET THE THRESHOLD. THERE'S A NATIONAL FIRE CODE STANDARD. ONCE THEY REACH A CERTAIN THRESHOLD. THIS WOULD NOT BE FOR LIKE A STORAGE UNIT YOU'D HAVE ON THE SIDE OF YOUR HOME TO CAPTURE OFF YOUR SOLAR PANELS ON YOUR ROOF OR, YOU KNOW, ELECTRIC CHARGING TYPE THINGS. IT WOULD JUST BE MORE INDUSTRIAL SCALE. AND CERTAINLY THE DEFINITION COULD FLUSH THAT OUT. SO WE WERE ONLY REGULATING THOSE TYPES, NOT THE SMALLER HOUSEHOLD TYPE BATTERY PACKS THAT THAT ARE BECOMING MORE POPULAR AS WELL. NOW THE RESIDENTIAL BATTERY PACKS THE FIRE CODE, STATE FIRE CODE REQUIRE HOW TO PLACE THOSE. CORRECT, CORRECT. FROM [INAUDIBLE] A STRUCTURE. OKAY. YEAH, THERE'S A NATIONAL CODE ONCE YOU GET TO A CERTAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TERM IS, BUT CERTAIN SIZE VOLTAGE, WHATEVER THE TERM IS, THEN REQUIRES IT MEET SPECIFIC STANDARDS FOR FIRE SAFETY. IT'S KIND OF LIKE. BUT THEY STILL, THEY DO STILL CATCH UP. THEY STILL DO HAVE ISSUES. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, AS ANY TECHNOLOGY AS IT EMERGES, YOU KNOW. WELL, I GUESS WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT IS CONSIDERED ADEQUATE BATTERY STORAGE FOR A RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL TYPE SITUATION AS OPPOSED TO, AND I WANT TO USE THE WORD UTILITY SCALE. YOU KNOW, WHY IS THAT DIFFERENCE. WHAT IS THAT LEVEL OF DIFFERENCE AT? OR THE STORAGE CAPACITY. BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE UTILITY SCALE. YEAH. THE BIGGER SCALE. AND I KNOW I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT SURRY COUNTY THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR NONCOMBUSTIBLE MATERIAL AND THEY'RE BASICALLY ROCK AND GRAVEL. SO IN THE EVENT ANY OF THESE TWO, THERE'S A 100-FOOT OR 200-FOOT BUFFER WHERE THERE'S NO COMBUSTIBLE MATERIALS AVAILABLE FOR IT TO SPREAD BEYOND, YOU KNOW, THE. WELL, THAT'S THE KIND OF DETAILS WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF. THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. WELL, THE POWERFUL TOOL THAT YOU HAVE AT HAND RIGHT NOW IS ACTUALLY YOUR AI SYSTEMS. AND THAT WAS THE PACKET THAT I JUST SENT YOU THERE WHERE I JUST CARRIED SOME QUESTIONS AND IT WILL SPIT BACK TO YOU, DEFINITIVE ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTIONS, AND SAY, IF YOU HAD QUESTIONS ON HOW SHOULD YOUR ORDINANCE BE FRAMED OR WHATEVER LIKE THAT, IT WILL ACTUALLY GLEAN FROM ORDINANCE ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY AND THEN PUT A SUGGESTED PACKAGE TOGETHER FOR YOU. IF YOU ASK SITING TYPE SITUATION, ALL THE DIFFERENT QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. THE AI IS VERY POWERFUL AND IT'S ALL IN HOW YOU ASK THE QUESTION. AND THEN IT WILL CONTINUOUSLY GET ALMOST INTO LIKE A ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATION WITH YOU GIVING SUGGESTIONS, SAY, WELL, WHERE DO WE WANT TO GO FROM THIS? HOW YOU ALIGN THE QUESTION, GO FROM THERE, AND YOU'LL BE LEARNING ALONG THE SAME LINES AS YOU'RE ASKING QUESTIONS IN YOUR BRANCH DOWN MANY ROADS. I'M A COMPUTER JUNKIE. I CAN TELL. GOOD. WE NEED ONE ON THE PANEL. OKAY. ANY OTHER ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE BATTERY STORAGE OR DATA SCIENCE? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO MR. RANDOLPH GETTING BACK WITH US AS WE GO FORWARD. ALRIGHT. IS THERE ANY OTHER NEW BUSINESS? NO, I GOT A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION. I GOOGLED THAT PITTSYLVANIA COUNTY REJECTED THE DATA CENTER. LOUDOUN COUNTY SAID THEY WERE NO LONGER A BUY RIGHT, BUT THEY HAD TO GO THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. CHESAPEAKE REJECTED A DATA CENTER PROJECT, AND TUCKER COUNTY SAW A PROJECT WITHDRAWN AFTER COMMUNITY OPPOSITION, SO. IT MIGHT BE GOOD IF WE, YOU KNOW, GET A HOLD OF SOME OF THAT STUFF AND WHAT THE OPPOSITION WAS. YEAH. AND IT WOULD DO, WITH THE REASONING, THAT'D BE VERY HELPFUL. I JUST DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT TO COMMENT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. OKAY. I'M THINKING OF PITTSYLVANIA COUNTY, THE ONE ON PITTSYLVANIA, WHICH IS THE BIGGEST COUNTY IN THE STATE, ABOUT ONE AND A HALF TIMES BIGGER THAN WE ARE. [00:45:02] THAT WENT ON FOR 4 OR 5 YEARS BEFORE ALL THIS REMODELING AND DOWNSIZING AND EVERYTHING. AND FINALLY THEY JUST DECIDED THEY DIDN'T WANT IT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER. ANY OTHER NEWS? ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YEAH. CAN WE GET A HIGH SPEED CONNECTION IN THIS ROOM? YOU'RE TALENTED MAN. [INAUDIBLE] CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN OVER HERE. I DON'T, I DON'T. HOWARD I WOULD THOUGHT. BECAUSE I WAS. DOES THIS GOES BY THE WI-FI? YEAH, BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO THE AI JUST THEN TO ACTUALLY POSE THAT QUESTION AS TO WHY MOST OF THE DATA CENTERS BEING REJECTED, BUT I'M IN LIKE. BUFFERING. BUFFERING MODE HERE TRYING TO COME OFF. AND IT MAY BE BECAUSE OF THE STORM OUT THERE TOO, BLOCKING THE CELL SIGNAL. ALL RIGHT? IF THERE'S NO OTHER NEW BUSINESS. ITEM NUMBER 7. [7. MEETING SCHEDULE] JAY HAS MADE A NOTE THAT OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING WILL BE THURSDAY, AUGUST 21ST. AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE FAIR, CORRECT? CORRECT. AND I MISSED THE COUNTY FAIR. SO GO BACK AND CHANGE ON YOUR CALENDARS, OR YOUR PHONES. OCTOBER 21ST. 7 P.M. THE THIRD THURSDAY. ALL RIGHT. DO YOU FORESEE ANY PUBLIC HEARINGS? IT DOES APPEAR THAT WE WILL POTENTIALLY HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS. THE FIRST WOULD BE A REZONING FOR A COMMERCIAL PROJECT ON ROUTE 58 HERE IN CORTLAND. AND THE SECOND WOULD BE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A CANINE TRAINING FACILITY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE ADJOURN? MOTION TO ADJOURN. I HAVE A PROPER MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECOND. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. I'LL CLOSE THE MEETING. Y'ALL HAVE A SAFE TRIP HOME. HOPE TO SEE YOU AT THE FAIR. AND THEN WE'LL SEE YOU BACK HERE ON THURSDAY. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.