[1. CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL] [00:00:03] [INAUDIBLE]. I'D LIKE TO CALL THE JUNE MEETING OF THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER. I'M GOING TO ASK IF EVERYONE WAS STAYING THAT WE RECITE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG. FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. I'M GOING TO ASK IF YOU'LL REMAIN STANDING, AND I WILL OFFER A BRIEF INVOCATION. I'LL ASK YOU, IF YOU JOIN ME, IF YOU WOULD. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE GIVE THANKS, LORD, FOR THE BEAUTIFUL WEATHER TODAY, FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME TONIGHT TO TO CONDUCT THE BUSINESS OF OUR COUNTY. WE ASK THAT LORD, WE HAVE A GOOD MEETING TONIGHT. ALL BEING ATTENTIVE. A LOT OF DISCUSSION MAY TAKE PLACE, BUT IT'LL ALL BE HEALTHY IN YOUR EYES. AFTER OUR MEETING TONIGHT, LORD, WE ASK THAT YOU BE WITH US AS WE HAVE A SAFE JOURNEY HOME AND CONTINUE YOUR BLESSINGS UPON OUR COUNTRY. THESE ARE ALL THINGS WE ASK IN JESUS CHRIST'S NAME. AMEN. AMEN. YOU MAY BE SEATED. WELCOME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION , AND WE WELCOME OUR GUESTS TONIGHT. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO HAS COME TONIGHT, WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF PUBLIC HEARINGS. I'M SURE THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HERE TONIGHT. BUT WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OTHER THINGS ON OUR AGENDA FIRST. SO JUST BE PATIENT AS WE GO THROUGH OUR AGENDA ITEMS. BUT AGAIN, WE WELCOME YOU AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. OKAY, SO I SEE EVERYONE HAS A PACKET. AND LET IT BE NOTED THAT EVERYONE IS IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT, MR. RANDOLPH THAT'S GREAT. SO ITEM NUMBER TWO ON OUR AGENDA WOULD BE THE [2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] APPROVAL OF THE MAY 8TH MEETING. SO AT THIS TIME, I'LL ENTERTAIN ANY COMMENTS OR ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS OR A MOTION TO ACCEPT. JUST ONE ADDITION. ALL OF THE VOTES. I DID VOTE. I´M OMITTED FROM THE THREE DIFFERENT MOTIONS. OKAY. MY NAME IS OMITTED. OKAY. OKAY. WE WILL GET THAT CORRECTED AS ALLSTON. ALL THREE OF THEM? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. WITH THAT CHANGE, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE MINUTES WITH THE CORRECTION BEING ADDED. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED, LIKE SIGN. OKAY. MISS RANDOLPH, MAKE SURE THAT GETS TO MRS. BAKER, I GUESS. YES. MAKE SURE THAT'S CORRECT, OKAY? THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER THREE IS PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. AT THIS TIME WE´LL ENTERTAIN, ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD THAT HAS ANY ISSUE OR WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING GOOD ABOUT THE COUNTY. NOW, THIS WILL NOT REFLECT OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS. THAT'S GOING TO BE ON OUR NEXT ITEM. BUT ANYTHING IN GENERAL, IF THERE'S AN ISSUE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR ANY OTHER AUTHORITY COULD HELP YOU WITH AT THIS TIME, YOU CAN COME FORWARD FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. SO I OPEN THAT UP NOW. ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD? OKAY. IT MEANS EVERYTHING'S RUNNING SMOOTH. THAT'S GOOD. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. ALL RIGHT. NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHICH WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS SCHEDULED TONIGHT. [4. PUBLIC HEARINGS] AND I'M GOING TO ASK MR. RANDOLPH IF HE'LL PROCEED WITH THE FIRST ONE, THE FIRST APPLICATION. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING IS CPA 2025-01 APPLICATION BY EAST COAST DEVELOPMENT GROUP REQUESTING AN AMENDMENT TO THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO REVISE THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FROM COMMERCIAL TO LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL OF APPROXIMATELY 14.85 ACRES. THE PROPERTY IS IDENTIFIED AS TAX PARCELS 60-57 AND 60-57C AND IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF FLAGGY RUN ROAD (RT. 611) APPROXIMATELY 1 MILE WEST OF THE INTERSECTION WITH COUNTRY CLUB ROAD (RT. 649) AND IS IN THE JERUSALEM MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT AND CENTRAL VOTING DISTRICT. AND MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY NOTE AS A PROCESS, YOU'LL HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS THIS EVENING. THIS WOULD BE THE FIRS, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, YOU'RE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO DISCUSS THE ITEM AND SO FORTH, [00:05:02] BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU TAKE NO ACTIONS OR MOTIONS ON THAT UNTIL THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING IS HELD, BECAUSE THEY ARE INTERCONNECTED. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE REVISION OF THE DESIGNATION FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE OF THIS PROPERTY? ANY OPEN DISCUSSION? AND I'LL, BY THE WAY, BEFORE I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, ANYTHING FROM THIS BULLET AT FIRST? IF NOT, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND I ASK IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND MAKE ANY COMMENTS. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. COMMISSIONERS, J. THANKS FOR HAVING US HERE TONIGHT. MY NAME IS STUART BONNELL, AND I RESIDE AT 167 CEDARWOOD BOULEVARD, HERTFORD, NORTH CAROLINA. I REPRESENT HASSELL & F OLKES, PROFESSIONAL CORPORATION AS PRESIDENT. HASSELL & FOLKES IS LOCATED AT 870 GREENBRIER CIRCLE, SUITE 100, CHESAPEAKE, VIRGINIA. AND I REPRESENT MR. BENTON AS APPLICANT AND PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER FOR THE REZONING FOR KATE ESTATES PHASE TWO. THE PROPOSED KATE ESTATES IS A TWO PHASE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION. AND AT THIS POINT, COULD I ISSUE SOME IMAGES? IS THAT OKAY? MIC]. OKAY, SO WHAT YOU SEE IS THE PROPOSED KATE ESTATES IS TWO PHASE, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION. PHASE ONE ON TP60-62. AS YOU PROBABLY ARE AWARE, THAT'S A BUY RIGHT DEVELOPMENT. AND IT'S CURRENTLY IN DESIGN. IT HAS GONE THROUGH ONE REVIEW CYCLE, CONSISTING OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND VDOT. PHASE ONE IS A PROPOSED 28 RESIDENTIAL LOT SUBDIVISION. AND THEN TONIGHT'S SUBJECT IS PHASE TWO ON TP60-57 PROPOSES 17 ADDITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS. AND OF COURSE, REQUIRES THIS REZONING FROM A-1 TO R2. THIS A AN ATTRACTIVE DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS AREA OF THE COUNTY. NICE 30,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS. J, WE DO HAVE PROPOSED PROFFERS, AND I WOULD LIKE TO CONFIRM THAT YOU RECEIVED THOSE. YES, WE HAVE. OKAY. I'M JUST GOING TO REVIEW THEM QUICKLY, PLEASE, IF I MAY, JUST TO CONFIRM THAT WE HAVE THEM STRAIGHT, BUT WE'D LIKE TO PROFFER THE LAYOUT THAT I SENT YOU ON SIX SIX THAT THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS AND THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE IN SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE WITH THAT REZONING EXHIBIT, AND THEN ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLES AND VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL SIDING, STONE AND OR BRICK FACADE OPTIONS. BOTH ONE AND TWO STORY DWELLINGS, HOUSES SIZED FROM 1500FT² OF HEATED AREA TO 3000FT² OF HEATED AREA AND PLUMBING VENT PIPE OUTLETS WILL BE LOCATED ON THE REAR OF THE ROOFS. SO UPON COMPLETION, YOU SEE, YOU WOULD HAVE A NICE RURAL SUBDIVISION KATE ESTATES OF 45 LOTS, AND IT WOULD BE TWO CONNECTIONS ON THE FLAGGY RUN ROAD, WHICH IS YOU KNOW, ALWAYS A REQUIREMENT OF VDOT THESE DAYS. THAT'S ONE OF THEIR GOALS, TO HAVE EVERY SUBDIVISION HAVE A DUAL ACCESS. SO WE'D BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT. AND SO HAVING SAID THIS, I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BONNELL AT THIS TIME? I HAVE ONE. LOOKING AT THE DOCUMENT, EXHIBIT B YOU JUST GAVE US, I'M LOOKING AT LOTS 25 THROUGH 32, AND THAT'S A RETENTION POND BEHIND THEM. [00:10:08] YES. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE AN APPROXIMATE LOCATION AND AN APPROXIMATE SIZE, AND THAT'S A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FACILITY. THAT WOULD BE A, IT WOULD BE A WET POND, AND THAT WOULD SERVE BOTH PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO. ORIGINALLY IN PHASE ONE, WE HAD A DIFFERENT ARRANGEMENT, AND THAT WAS A RETENTION BASIN ALONGSIDE THE VDOT DITCHES IN THE FRONT YARDS AND DEVELOPMENT. DEVELOPMENT TOOK OBJECTION TO THAT AND ASKED US TO CONSIDER PLACING THE STORM DRAINAGE IN A POND SIMILAR TO THIS. AND WE FELT LIKE THAT HAVING LOOKED AT EVERYTHING, THAT THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA. SO WE WE WENT AHEAD AND PROPOSED THE POND AND SO THIS POND WILL SERVE BOTH PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO, AND IT WOULD COMPLY WITH ALL THE DEQ AND COUNTY ORDINANCES. AND SO THIS POND WOULD HAVE HOA AND IN RESIDENCE MAINTENANCE, THE HOA BASICALLY WOULD MAINTAIN THE CONVEYANCE FACILITIES OF THE POND. IN OTHER WORDS, IF DEBRIS BLOCKED THE OUTLET STRUCTURE OR DEBRIS BLOCKED THE PIPE FROM THE OUTLET STRUCTURE TO THE ROAD, THEN THE HOA MAINTENANCE WOULD BASICALLY COVER THAT. THEY WOULD COVER ANY FIXING ANY EROSION PROBLEMS AROUND THE LAKE. SO AND THE OWNERS, THE LANDOWNERS WOULD MOW THE LAKE BANK. NOW THIS LAKE BANK IS ON A 5 TO 1 SLOPE. SO FOR EVERY ONE FOOT OF VERTICAL, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING FIVE FOOT. SO THAT'S A RELATIVELY MINOR SLOPE. I LIVE ON A POND. I MAINTAIN A 4 TO 1. SO THEY'RE VERY EASILY DONE WITH EITHER A A PUSH MOWER OR A ZERO TURN. SO WE DON'T SEE MAINTENANCE AS A AS A REAL BIG PROBLEM WITH THIS. AND IN FACT, IT'S A NICE FEATURE FOR THE HOMEOWNERS TO GET A BIG POND. IT'LL BE EIGHT FOOT DEEP ACCORDING TO DEQ STANDARDS. AND YOU KNOW, IT'LL OFFER SOME RECREATIONAL AND SOME NICE OPEN SPACE BENEFITS. MIKE. I WAS ALSO LOOKING AT, THAT IS SUBSTANTIALLY LIMITING THOSE FIVE LOTS. EXCUSE ME, SIR? I SAID THAT POND IS SUBSTANTIALLY LIMITING THE AREA OF THOSE FIVE LOTS IN FRONT OF IT. YEAH, THE POND COULD POTENTIALLY EXTEND FIVE LOTS. AND, SOME PEOPLE WOULD PURCHASE THE LOT WITH THE POND IN THE BACK AND SOME PEOPLE WOULDN'T, OBVIOUSLY. BUT YEAH, IT'S KIND OF LIMITING THE LIMIT IN THE OPEN SPACE OF THE LOT, YES, SIR. SO WILL THERE BE ANY THING THERE AS FAR AS SAFETY FOR, SAY, LIKE KEEP A CHILD FROM. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. WHAT THE STATE REQUIRES THERE IS A TEN FOOT BENCH. AND SO YOU GOT THE FIVE FOOT, YOU GOT THE 5 TO 1 SLOPE AND THEN A TEN FOOT BENCH, AND THE TEN FOOT BENCH IS RELATIVELY FLAT. MAYBE IT DROPS A FOOT OVER THAT TEN FOOT, AND THEN IT DROPS ON A 4 TO 1 SIDE SLOPE DOWN INTO THE POND. SO THERE IS THAT AQUATIC BENCH AND IT'S AQUATIC BENCH SLASH SAFETY BENCH, THE STATE CALLS IT. THANK YOU. I'VE GOT A QUESTION. SO I'M GLAD YOU PROVIDED THIS BECAUSE I WENT AND LOOKED AT THE SITE AND I WAS CONFUSED LOOKING AT. YES, SIR. WELL, WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH MY WORDS OF WHAT I WAS GOING TO WRITE, I FELT LIKE SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD BE VALUABLE TO HAVE. IT WAS VERY HELPFUL FOR ME. SO BASICALLY YOU SAID IT´LL HAVE TWO ENTRANCES. SO THIS IS THE PHASE ONE EXISTING ALREADY ZONED, RIGHT, RIGHT HERE? Y ES, SIR. AND THIS THE ENTRANCE AND FLAGGY RUN KIND OF HOOKS AROUND RIGHT HERE. YES SIR. THAT'S CORRECT. SO I GUESS AND I LOOKED AT IT AND IT LOOKS LIKE PHASE ONE, NOT MUCH HAS REALLY HAPPENED. [00:15:05] THE PACKAGE SAYS IT'S IN DEVELOPMENT, BUT PHASE ONE, IT'S LIKE A GATE AND THERE'S AN EXISTING ROAD. YES, SIR. IT'S. LOOKS LIKE A WHOLE LOT HAS NOT HAPPENED IN WHEN I WENT OUT THERE ANYWAY. WELL, WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS YOU HAD SOME, BACK BEFORE THE MARKET CRASHED IN LIKE 07-08. YOU HAD A PORTION OF THE PROPOSED RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATED. SO SOME OF THAT SUBDIVISION HAS BEEN DEDICATED. AND THEN THE HATCH SLOTS LOTS UP THERE TO THE LEFT. SO THERE'S AN EXISTING ROAD THERE THAT? YES, SIR. AND THEN TO THE LEFT THERE YOU SEE THE HATCH LOTS? THOSE HATCH LOTS ARE ACTUALLY RECORDED. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND THIS IS JUST THE EXTENSION OF PHASE ONE THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN PLATTED, CORRECT? PHASE. PHASE ONE HAS ALREADY. PHASE ONE HAS BEEN PLATTED, BUT IT'S UNDER REVISION NOW TO COMPLY. EXCUSE ME. ONLY A PORTION OF PHASE ONE HAS BEEN PLATTED AND THAT'S THE PART UP THERE TO THE UPPER LEFT. THE REST OF PHASE ONE CORRECT. OKAY. SO IT'S BASICALLY EXPANDING PHASE ONE TO PHASE TWO TO MAKE IT. THAT IS. I GUESS ECONOMICALLY. THAT IS CORRECT. MORE FEASIBLE. I WOULDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE ECONOMICS, SIR, BUT. I HOPE SO. IF YOU'RE YOU'RE IN THE BUSINESS TO BUILD HOUSES, YOU BUILD HOUSES TO BE ECONOMICAL. THE DEVELOPER COULD SPEAK MORE TO THE ECONOMICS. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SINCE PHASE ONE HAS SET FOR SO LONG OBVIOUSLY WITH THE ECONOMIC FACTORS, WHAT IS YOUR TIMELINE IF YOU DO GET APPROVAL? PHASE ONE LIKE I SAID, WE'VE HAD ONE ROUND OF CONSTRUCTION PLAN COMMENTS. SO WE WOULD GET THE PHASE ONE IN THIS SUMMER AND GET IT APPROVED IN THE FALL. AND, JOE, CONSTRUCTION YOU'RE LOOKING AT. IMMEDIATELY, SO LATE FALL. HOW WAS THE, HAS THE WETLAND STUDY BEEN DONE? YEAH. THE WETLANDS ARE IN PROCESS, SIR. AND OBVIOUSLY YOU FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PASS WHERE THEY ARE. ENGINEERED SEPTIC OR WHEN I FIRST READ THIS I SAID, GREAT, THIS WOULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO HOOK UP TO THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, RIGHT? THEN I GOT TO THE BACK PAGE AND SAID, IT'S NOT SERVED BY PUBLIC. HOW FAR ARE YOU AWAY FROM THAT? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? YOUR WETLANDS REPORT, WHEN IS THAT DUE? YOU'RE SAYING IT'S BEING DONE? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHEN THE WETLANDS REPORT WOULD BE AVAILABLE? PHASE ONE. WHEN DO YOU THINK PHASE TWO WOULD BE? 45 DAYS ON THE PHASE TWO AND WITHIN A MONTH ON PHASE ONE. AND WHERE YOU'VE GOT YOUR RETENTION POND WITH A GRAY AREA. HOW BIG IS THAT LOT GOING TO BE? I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY LOTS YET BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO THE ANALYSIS. I DON'T THINK IT'D BE ANY MORE THAN FIVE LOTS. WELL, I GUESS THE LOT SIZE LAYOUT. SO WHOEVER BUYS THAT LOT IS GOING TO BUY THAT LITTLE PART OF THE STORM DRAIN, IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH. THEY'LL BUY THAT LITTLE PART OF THAT LAKE, TOO. YES, SIR. OKAY. BUT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO KEEP IT WHERE IT CAN WORK. [00:20:04] T HE HOA WILL KEEP THE DEBT TO IT. IF IT'S ANY SETTLEMENT OR SEAL TO WHATEVER, THEY'LL HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO IN. RIGHT. AND I LIVE IN AN HOA COMMUNITY, AND IN HERTFORD, IT'S ONE ACRE LOTS. IT'S LIKE 45 LOTS. WE PAY LIKE $30 A MONTH, AND IT'S A PRETTY GOOD BUDGET. WORKS PRETTY GOOD. NOW, IN THIS CASE, WE WILL HAVE THE COMMUNITY WEALTH SYSTEM THAT THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES, AND THE HOA IS GOING TO MAINTAIN THAT COMMUNITY WEALTH SYSTEM, TOO. WE HAVE THE COMMUNITY WELLS. IT'LL BE THREE WELLS FOR THIS MANY LOTS. SO IT'LL BE THREE WELLS. ALL THE PIPING WILL BE INTERCONNECTED. ONE WELL GOES DOWN. YOU'LL STILL HAVE TWO OTHERS IN SERVICE. I WAS THINKING WITH THE STORM DRAIN AREA THE HOA WOULD, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD NOT BE ENTITLED TO ANY ONE LOT OWNER, YOU KNOW, WOULD KIND OF STAY IN HOA, WOULD MAINTAIN IT. BUT YOU'VE GOT FIVE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS THAT'S GOING TO COLLIDE THE ISSUE A LITTLE BIT. I DON'T KNOW. WELL, THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FACILITY SERVES EVERYBODY. SO EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE PAYING THE HOA DUES ON THAT. BUT THOSE INDIVIDUALS WILL BE MAINTAINING AROUND THE POND. AND I LIVE RIGHT ON THE POND IN MINE, AND I MAINTAIN MINE TOO. SO IT JUST COMES WITH WITH THE WORLD THESE DAYS. I HAVE PROBLEMS, I THINK IT WOULD BE PROBLEMS WITH THAT. BECAUSE IF YOU OWN THE PROPERTY. SAY ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE ROAD FROM YOUR HOUSE. BUT YOU, INSTEAD OF PONDS ON THE BACK OF YOUR PROPERTY, AND HE THINKS IT NEEDS TO BE CUT. AND SO HE COMES DOWN ON SUNDAY AFTERNOON TO CUT IT. AND YOU'RE HAVING A PICNIC. I'M JUST. YEAH. A WEIRD SCENARIO. YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS THAT NEIGHBOR AT MOE'S WHEN YOU'RE HAVING A PICNIC, RIGHT? YEAH, I COULD SEE THAT. I DON'T LIKE THAT CONCEPT. NOW, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH HOW THESE RETENTION PONDS ARE ACTUALLY TITLED. I DIDN'T REALIZE THEY WENT TO A PORTION OF THE LOT OF THE HOMEOWNER. HOMEOWNER MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT WANT ANY TRESPASSING. HE MIGHT WANT TO FEED THE ANIMALS. I MEAN, IT COULD BE A SCENARIO BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT THEIR THINKING IS. AND THEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE. IT SOUNDS REALLY EASY, BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT POSSIBLY WEEDING OUT TO UNCOVER A SCREEN OR WHATEVER WHERE THE WATER IS GOING TO RUN OUT YOU DIDN'T MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT A FENCE GOING AROUND IT ON. A FENCE? WELL, LIKE MR.. TURNER. THAT WAS MY ORIGINAL QUESTION. WITH THE. OKAY. IT WAS YOUR. I'M SORRY. OKAY. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, CHILDREN ARE GOING TO BE DRAWN TO THE WATER TO PLAY AND THIS TYPE OF THING, BUT I HAVE SOME PROBLEMS WITH THE RETENTION POND, I REALLY DO. WHILE I'M TALKING. YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO LOOK AT DEVELOPMENT AS WE GO FORWARD. AND MY QUESTION TO IS GOING TO BE, HOW FAR ARE YOU FROM THE COUNTY WASTEWATER LINE? AND YOU SAY IT'S TWO AND A HALF MILES, IS THAT CORRECT? TO THE CLOSEST HOOKUP . SO WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER THE CLOSEST HOOKUP? WHAT IS YOUR REFERENCE POINT? IT IS. [00:26:01] LIKE A PEDESTRIAN ACCESS. SPEAKERS]. MAY I PLEASE RESPOND TO. THE MAINTENANCE OF THE SCREEN YOU WERE SAYING ALL THAT IS ABOVE WATER. YOU'LL HAVE A LOW FLOW ORIFICE THAT SETS THE POOL ELEVATION, AND THEN YOU HAVE SOME OTHER ORIFICES AND THEN THE PIPES, BUT EVERYTHING WOULD BE ABOVE THE WATER LEVEL. A ND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER THING YOU SAID. I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT THESE PONDS ARE POPULAR BECAUSE IT'S AN EFFICIENT WAY TO COMPLY WITH THE DEQ ORDINANCES, NOT ONLY FOR THE RETENTION BUT ALSO FOR THE TREATMENT. SO YOU'RE GETTING STORMWATER QUALITY AND STORMWATER RETENTION OUT OF THIS, AND IT USUALLY WORKS PRETTY GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MISS ALLSTON, I APPRECIATE YOU WAITING. YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THIS CONFIGURATION OF THE RETENTION POND, AND I KNOW YOU'RE TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THE NUMBER OF LOTS, BUT I WAS WONDERING, DID YOU EVER CONSIDER USING ON THIS MAP, IT SAYS MAP LOT 28 AND 29 AND JUST MAKING THAT THE RETENTION POND AREA AND THEN THE OTHER LOTS WOULD NOT HAVE THE WATER BEHIND IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, A LONG TROUGH LIKE THAT RIGHT HERE, RIGHT HERE. IT WOULD MAKE IT ESTHETICALLY A BETTER LOOKING POND THAN TO HAVE THIS LONG. YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT LOSES TWO LOTS, BUT YOU KNOW. YEAH, AND THAT'S THE ECONOMY. THAT'S KIND OF HARD TO DO. I'LL LET JOE SPEAK TO THAT. BUT LOSING TWO LOTS ON A YOU KNOW, LOW MARGIN LIKE THIS. PRETTY MUCH THE DEVELOPMENT HAS ASKED US TO GO TO THE POND. SO THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. AND OF COURSE, VDOT WOULD JUST MAINTAIN THEIR PART IN THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, WOULD MAINTAIN THE REST OF THE PARK. SEEMS LIKE IF YOU GOT A POND IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE THAT TOO. TO COME IN, RIGHT? ALWAYS HAVE, SAY, 2 TO 4FT OF WATER IN IT AT ALL TIMES? YOU SAID IT WAS EIGHT FOOT. MAYBE EIGHT, YES, SIR. OKAY. YEAH. BECAUSE THE DEQ STANDARD IS A MINIMUM EIGHT FOOT DEPTH. AND ONCE AGAIN, IN YOU KNOW, MY INITIAL QUESTION, THAT WAS WHY I WAS ASKING ABOUT FENCING AROUND OR WHATEVER LIKE THAT. BECAUSE YOU HAVE FIVE PROPERTY OWNERS. AND WHAT HAS TRANSPIRED IS THAT THEY WILL BE INTHEIR LOT. AND THEN I'M LOOKING AT, SAY BY CHANCE, SOMEONE GOES IN THERE AND HAS AN ACCIDENT, WHO'S GOING TO ASSUME THAT LIABILITY OF THOSE FIVE LOTS? [00:30:02] THEN YOU HAVE SOMEBODY COMING AND SUING ALL FIVE OF YOUR PROPERTY OWNERS. IF IT'S INDIVIDUAL LANDOWNERS THEY'RE STILL LIABLE EVEN WITH THE FENCE. TO YOUR ANSWER A WHILE AGO ABOUT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. BEFORE I'M COMFORTABLE VOTING TONIGHT, I WANT TO KNOW THE REFERENCE POINT OF WHERE THAT TWO AND A HALF MILES TO GET TO THAT HOOKUP. I REALLY KIND OF QUESTIONED THAT. AND SECOND OF ALL, I QUESTION YOUR ANSWER ABOUT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT BEING AT CAPACITY. I THOUGHT WE HAD LOTS OF CAPACITY. YOU'RE NOT INTERESTED, THOUGH? THE REFERENCE POINT WOULD BE THEIR SHADY BROOK RIGHT BEHIND MY PLACE. SO HIS TWO AND A HALF MILES IS ACCURATE. OKAY. I MEAN. THAT WOULD BE AND THE CAPACITY WAS INACCURATE. HIRING A GOOD CONTRACTOR BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS $4 MILLION. TALKING AN EIGHTH OF A MILE. A 16TH OF A MILE IS WHAT, IT'S JUST, I THINK MY MY CONCERN IS IF WE'RE GOING TO DEVELOP AROUND THE TOWNS AND COMMUNITIES, IT'S ALREADY SEEING GROUPS OF HOUSES. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T ENCOURAGE SOMEWHERE TO START HOOKING UP TO UTILITIES. WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED NOTHING. WELL, YOU KNOW MY POSITION ON THAT. BUT HERE IT'S AN IMPOSSIBILITY UNLESS THEY BRING IT THE OTHER DIRECTION DOWN 58TH DOWN TO THE TOWN OF CORTLAND. THEN IF IT WAS IN THE TOWN OF CORTLAND ALONG JERUSALEM ROAD, THEN THAT WOULD BE A 16TH. THAT WOULD BE. BUT YOU CAN'T EXPECT SOMEONE TO GO TWO AND A HALF MILES OF. I MEAN, THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW. WILL THAT PROVIDE WATER SUPPLY FOR HYDRANTS? YES. THE COMMUNITY OKAY. THREE PUMPS. ALL RIGHT. MR. DAY, I'M SORRY TO KEEP YOU WAITING. I WAS GOING TO TAG ON TO WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE SEPTIC. MAYBE TO EXPLORE THAT, I DON'T KNOW, IS IT 25% EFFICIENT? RIGHT NOW THE CAPACITY, WHAT WE'RE USING IS 25% A GOOD NUMBER, BAD NUMBER, WHATEVER. ARE WE HAVING TO BUY SEWAGE TO RUN THROUGH IT TO MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT AT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, OR IS THAT NOT TRUE? I KNOW THERE WAS TALK ONE TIME ABOUT FRANKLIN HAVING SOME ISSUES, BUT FRANKLIN GOT THAT RESOLVED AFTER THE FLOOD. SO I DO KNOW THAT . 18 TO 16 WAS THE LAST NUMBER THAT WE GOT. 18 TO 16 WHAT? CAPACITY. THE CAPACITY WAS AT 18 TO 16%. AND THAT WAS FOR MS. LOUIS. SO IT WAS SHORTLY BEFORE MR. RANDOLPH GOT HERE. BUT THAT WAS THE NUMBER WHEN WE DISCUSSED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND BOB EDWARDS FARM, AND WE EXTENDED THAT ALL THE WAY DOWN. THAT WAS A NUMBER THAT, BECAUSE THE GENTLEMAN CAME, THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT HE GAVE US. OKAY. AND I DON'T THINK THAT THEY WERE USING ANY YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK YOU REMEMBER HEARING THAT EITHER. YEAH. IT'S JUST IT'S AT 16%. I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TRYING TO FOCUS ON DEVELOPING OUR AREA, AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS TO UTILIZE THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. RIGHT. AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. BUT. JUST BECAUSE THE RULE RESIDENTIAL. IT'LL NEVER HAPPEN IF YOU DON'T CONCENTRATE IT TO A DEVELOPMENT SUCH AS THIS SIMILAR IN AROUND THOSE TOWNSHIPS. THAT'S WHY I'M IN FAVOR OF DEVELOPING AROUND THE TOWNS OR THE COMMUNITIES AS WE HAVE IT. BUT I DO BELIEVE YOU NEED TO HAVE SOME SOURCE OF UTILIZING UTILITIES, ESPECIALLY THE ONES ALREADY IN PLACE. [00:35:03] AND I REALIZE THAT DISTANCE IS AN ISSUE HERE. MIC] WELL, MY FRIEND, WE'RE ON DIFFERENT PAGES. I APPRECIATE YOUR OPINION, AND I RESPECT YOUR OPINION, BUT I LIKE OPEN SPACE. YEAH, I'M A FARMER. I NEED OPEN SPACE. I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS WHO LOVE TO HUNT AT THE WOODLAND. WE ENJOY IT. WELL, I'M SICK OF MYSELF. I ENJOY IT JUST LIKE IT IS. SO, YOU KNOW, DON'T THINK EVERYBODY THINKS THAT WE'RE WIDE OPEN TO BE ANOTHER CHESAPEAKE. I HATE CHESAPEAKE. I REMEMBER WHEN CHESAPEAKE WAS A RURAL COMMUNITY. I REMEMBER SUFFOLK BEING A RURAL COMMUNITY, EXCEPT FOR THE CITY OF SUFFOLK. AND TO ME, THEY GOT MORE NIGHTMARES WITH TRAFFIC, CRIME, PEOPLE, POLLUTION, TAX RATES, OKAY? TAX RATES GO UP. THEY SAY THEY'RE GOING TO COME DOWN WITH MORE PEOPLE. IT GOES UP. THEY GOT TO PROVIDE MORE SERVICES. SO BE CAREFUL WHERE YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT HOW GOOD THIS SO-CALLED URBAN DEVELOPMENT IS. NOW, I WANT EVERYBODY TO HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE. I DO TOO. BUT YOU COULD BE STEPPING ON SOME TOES WHEN YOU GET TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE WILLING TO WORK BECAUSE YOU'RE IN THE DEVELOPMENT BUSINESS, AND I RESPECT THAT. BUT EVERYBODY'S NOT INTO DEVELOPMENT. JUST BE AWARE OF THAT. AS FAR AS THE ECONOMICS GOES, BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S AWARE THAT FOR EVERY DOLLAR WE GET FROM REAL ESTATE PROPERTY TAX THERE, WE'RE GOING TO SPEND $1.62 BACK. AND THAT'S NOT COUNTING EXTRA KIDS IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. AND FROM MY STANDPOINT LOOKING AT THIS, THAT'S NOT AN AREA THAT I WOULD BUY A LOT PUT A HOUSE. YES, SIR. YOU'RE LOOKING AT 44 LOTS. IS THAT CORRECT? 45 TOTAL. OKAY. THERE'S 28 IN THE FIRST ONE AND 17 IN THE SECOND ONE. NOW, IN THE FIRST ONE, THERE'S ALREADY FOUR RECORDED. I SEE YOU GOT TWO NUMBER 28. YOU GOT TWO LOT 28, RIGHT? YEAH. IS IT 45 LOTS? IT'LL BE 45 TOTAL. OKAY. SO WE HAD A LITTLE NUMBER IN SNAFU. IS THE NUMBER STILL 2.4 CHILDREN PER HOUSEHOLD? DOES THAT STILL HOLD TRUE? I COULD FIND THAT OUT FOR YOU AND GET BACK TO YOU. IF IT IS 2.4 CHILDREN, THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT 100, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL CHILDREN GOING TO THE SCHOOLS. WOULD THAT BURDEN OUR SCHOOLS AS THEY ARE RIGHT NOW? THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER 2.5 TOTAL PERSONS PER HOUSE. RIVERDALE. I HAVE ONE QUESTION BACK TO YOU. SEWAGE SYSTEM. TOTAL PERSONS. BASICALLY, EACH HOUSE WILL BE PROVIDED WITH, I GUESS WHAT YOU CALLED IT, THAT FORCED SEWAGE SYSTEM WHERE YOU HAVE A LITTLE MOUND THING. RIGHT NOW, THE SOILS ARE LOOKING LIKE GRAVITY RIGHT NOW. RIGHT, JOE? AND THE REASON WHY I ASKED THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHY I DID A LOT OF PULLING DOWN AERIAL THINGS AND WHATEVER LIKE THAT. BECAUSE IT WAS CONFUSING TO ME THAT THERE IS AN EXISTING STREAM OR WATER SYSTEM RUNNING THROUGH THAT. AND I WAS WONDERING HOW WOULD THE PROPERTY DEAL WITH IT DRAINING THROUGH THAT STREAM, RUNNING INTO FLAGGY RUN CREEK OR WHATEVER IT IS BACK THERE, HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT THE DRAINAGE IN THERE, BECAUSE. SO YOU'RE CONCERNED WITH THE SEWAGE FROM THE DRAIN FIELDS LEACHING OUT INTO THAT DRAIN, INTO THAT DITCH OR OUT INT. AND THAT SEGWAYED INTO MY QUESTION OF ASKING, HOW DID YOU ANTICIPATE WATER STANDING IN THAT, [00:40:04] YOU KNOW, RETENTION POND BACK THERE? BECAUSE IF THIS ALREADY A LAND THAT'S BEING DRAINED BY NATURAL CREEKS OR WHATEVER LIKE THAT, IT WOULD IMPACT YOU IN SEVERAL WAYS, ADDING MORE WATER AND SEWAGE AND STUFF. I DON'T KNOW KNOW IF THIS HELPS, BUT THE EXISTING DITCHES WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION WOULD ALL BE FILLED, COMPACTED, MATERIAL FILLED. AND THEN THE DEQ HAS REGULATED THE SEPARATIONS FROM THE DRAIN FIELDS TO THE LAKE. SO WE WOULD BE HONORING THAT SEPARATION DISTANCE. SO YOU WOULDN'T SEE ANY LEAKAGE GOING INTO THE LAKE FROM IT BECAUSE WE'D BE HONORING THAT SETBACK. AND THEN SO WHAT HAPPENS IS, YES, SOMETIMES THESE PONDS GET A LITTLE OVERSIZE BECAUSE WE'RE DEVELOPING PROPERTY IN AN AREA THAT NATURALLY DRAINS. SO THEY GET A LITTLE OVERSIZE. BUT YOU KNOW, THE DEQ HAS, YOU KNOW, IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, HAVE TIGHTENED THEIR REGULATIONS ON WHAT WE CAN DO. I MEAN, THE ONE YEAR YOU'RE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH, THE ENERGY BALANCE RULE. AND, YOU KNOW, THE ONE YEAR DISCHARGE IS REDUCED REALLY TO A SMALL AMOUNT. AND THEN WE HAVE TO RETAIN THE TENURE DEVELOPED BACK TO PRE-DEVELOPED LEVELS. SO THERE IS THAT WHAT YOU SAY? BUT THERE IS WAYS TO DESIGN AROUND IT AND STILL GET IT DONE. AND THE REASON WHY I WAS ASKING THAT ALSO TOO, BECAUSE WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT IN MY JURISDICTION THAT'S CALLED PINES OF IOWA, WHEN THEY ORIGINALLY PUT IN THEIR RETENTION POND, WHICH WAS A HUGE THING BY THE TIME THEY GOT IT ALL FINISHED UP AND EVERYTHING, WE HAD A FREAK STORM THAT ACTUALLY OVERFLOWED THAT RETENTION POND AND SENT A FOOT OF WATER DOWN THE MAIN STREET AND EVERYTHING, BECAUSE THEY EVEN HAD A BLADDER TYPE SITUATION TO DECIDE TO KIND OF LIKE DO IT. AND THAT BLADDER WAS HANGING OUT THERE LIKE A PARACHUTE. AND WHEN IT ERUPTED, IT WAS LIKE A DAM BREAKING. NOW, WHAT YOU SEE IN THESE INSTANCES IS, THE TEN YEAR RETENTION IS HELD IS, THEY HAVE THE TEN YEAR. BUT IF THE 100 YEAR COMES IN AND INUNDATES THAT BNP, THEN THAT 100 YEAR BACKS UP INTO THE ROAD AND THEN THAT HAPPENS, BECAUSE THE ROAD IS DESIGNED FOR THE TEN YEAR STORM EVENT, AND THEN IN THE 100 YEAR STORM EVENT, YOU GET MORE WATER. BUT THE ROADS ARE ONLY DESIGNED FOR THE TEN. SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS WHAT YOU SAW. AND THAT WAS ALSO MY QUESTION THERE, WITH THE EXISTING STREAMS AND STUFF THAT I WAS SEEING GOING THROUGH THERE. SO IT'S ALREADY A NATURAL POOLING THROUGH AROUND ADJACENT LANDS ANYWAY INTO THAT AREA. AND SO FAR YOU JUST DON'T SEE IT BECAUSE THERE'S NO DEVELOPMENT THERE. BUT ONCE YOU START CONCRETING OVER THINGS AND YARDS AND WHATEVER LIKE THAT, YOU START LOSING YOUR ABSORPTION. SO THIS DISCHARGE IS UP IN THE CORNER OF PHASE ONE. YOU SEE LOT 16, 15 AND 14, THAT CORNER, THAT'S BASICALLY WHERE THE DISCHARGE FOR THIS SUBDIVISION WOULD BE. IT GOES OUT INTO THAT, IT'S LIKE A FLOODPLAIN INTO THAT SWAMP AREA THERE. AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE FLOODPLAIN IS AT. THAT'S WHERE THE FIRST SET OF PLANS, DATED 2008, DIRECTED THEIR DISCHARGE. AND WE HAVE FOUND THAT THAT WAS THE BEST PLACE TO DIRECT DISCHARGE THIS TO. BECAUSE I ANTICIPATE YOU HAVING, YOU KNOW, A WONDERFUL DEVELOPMENT HERE, AND I WOULD HATE TO SEE A STORM COME IN AND TURN IT INTO WATERFRONT PROPERTY. WE ALL WOULD. I WOULD GET HEARTBURN MYSELF, SIR. BUT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE WOULD BE MUCH, MUCH MORE DISTRESSED. MR. CHAIRMAN, FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT, YOU MAY WISH TO, YOU KNOW, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN . WE'VE KIND OF DRIFTED ALREADY INTO THE REZONING APPLICATION. SO FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT, YOU MAY WISH TO CLOSE THAT. WE'LL DO THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE REZONING AND PICK UP THE DISCUSSION. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE OR CHANGE. OKAY. DOES ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME FORWARD ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE, CHANGE? YES, MA'AM. YOU COME FORWARD, MA'AM. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS SABRINA STRAUSS. I LIVE AT 27085 FLAGGY RUN ROAD. I KNOW ABOUT THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET, AND I HAVE THE POND BEHIND MY HOUSE THAT EVERYBODY ELSE'S HOUSE IS DRAINED TO. [00:45:06] SO I'M LISTENING TO WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT WHERE WATER IS GOING TO DRAIN. I HAVE SEEN WHERE WATER FLOODS. I HAVE LIVED THERE SINCE 2020. MY HOUSE WITH THAT POND BEHIND IT, AND THE SWAMP, BECAUSE I HAVE 13.97 ACRES AND THE LAND, THAT'S REALLY WHERE IT GOES DOWN TO THE END. MY LITTLE POND WILL BACK UP AND LEAVE ME ABOUT THREE INCHES TO WHERE MY HOUSE AND MY GUEST HOUSE DOES NOT FLOOD. SO IF ANY OF THE WATER ACROSS THE STREET IS DRAINING TO THE MARSH BEHIND MY HOUSE THAT I OWN, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. SO THIS IS FLAGGY RUN. YES. SO THAT'S THE EXISTING ENTRANCE THERE. I LIVE BACK HERE, WHERE THE MARSH GOES BACK. MR. [INAUDIBLE] LIVES HERE. I HAVE THE PROPERTY BACK HERE. I HAVE A POND THAT CONNECTS TO HIS. AND THEN THE MARSH THAT RUNS THIS WAY. AND IT COMES TO HERE. OKAY. WELL, THE GOAL HERE IS TO DRAIN IT ALL THIS WAY INTO THE SWAMP BACK THIS WAY, INTO THIS FLOODPLAIN BACK HERE. OKAY, SO YOU'RE COMING THIS DIRECTION. SO, YES, MA'AM. OKAY. THEN THE SECOND QUESTION, I HAVE YOUR SECOND ENTRANCE THAT'S GOING TO BE HERE AT THE END OF MY PROPERTY. THAT'S A 45 MILE PER HOUR SPEED ZONE. THAT'S A VERY DANGEROUS CORNER. IS THERE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT? BECAUSE YOU CAN BARELY SEE GOING AROUND THAT CORNER. BESIDES MYSELF, THERE'S PLENTY OF PEOPLE THAT SWING AROUND THAT CORNER. TAKE THE WHOLE CORNER IF THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ENTRANCE TO A COMPLEX. I WOULD HOPE SOMETHING IS THOUGHT ABOUT FOR THAT, BECAUSE 45 PEOPLE STILL GO 55, MAYBE 60. AND I'VE ALMOST GOT TAKEN OUT. MY DAUGHTERS ALMOST GOT TAKEN OUT. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OTHER PEOPLE, BUT. SO ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE HAVE TO DO IS APPROACH VDOT. SO WE APPROACH VDOT ABOUT THAT ROAD CONNECTION THERE THAT WE VISITED THAT ONE AND THIS ONE TOO. SO THEY'VE ALREADY GIVEN US THEIR GUIDANCE AND THEIR DIRECTION FOR THESE CONNECTIONS. AND THEY HAD NO THEY HAD NO CONCERN ABOUT THAT. WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WE WOULD MAKE SURE THERE'S GOOD VISIBILITY. THEY CALL THAT A SITE TRIANGLE. WE'LL MAKE SURE THERE'S GOOD VISIBILITY BOTH WAYS, SO THAT THE PERSON COMING OUT CAN SEE AS FAR AS THEY CAN DOWN THE ROAD EACH WAY. OKAY. BECAUSE I OWN THE TREES THAT COME ALMOST TO THE POINT HERE. ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO MAKE ME CUT MY TREES DOWN? NOT ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD. NO, MA'AM. OKAY. IT'S BASICALLY ALL THE OBSERVATION SITE TRIANGLES ARE ON THE SITE SIDE OF THE ROAD. OKAY. YOU GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT AN HOA. THE HOUSES THAT ARE OVER HERE, WE DON'T HAVE HOAS. ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO START INCLUDING THEM IN HOAS? NO, THE HOA WOULD JUST BE SET UP FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. RIGHT, JOE? IF EVERYTHING WORKS, WILL BE STARTED ON THIS FALL? I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE PRICE OF MY HOUSE, THE TAXES. LIKE, IS MY HOUSE GOING TO DECREASE IN PRICE BECAUSE OF ALL YOUR HOUSES BEING BUILT? THE TAXES FOR THE TOWN? BECAUSE I KNOW WE ALREADY INCREASED RECENTLY, MY TAX IS GOING TO GET INCREASED AGAIN WITH, YOU SAID 45 HOUSES GOING IN? YEAH, THAT'S MY CONCERN. WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE COST OF MY HOUSE? BECAUSE I HAVE THE MOST EXPENSIVE HOUSE IN THAT AREA. MY HOUSE RIGHT NOW IS LOOKING AT $526,000. USUALLY DEVELOP IN THE AREA WILL TEND TO ESCALATE THE VALUE OF YOUR VALUE OF YOUR HOUSE, BOTH IN THE MARKET AND OF COURSE IN THE TAX BRACKET. OKAY. BUT YOU WOULD LOOK FOR ESCALATION. THEY CAN'T PREDICT THE ECONOMY. RIGHT. WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT HERE, YOUR PROPERTY MAY GO DOWN. YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT MUCH. TAXES. THAT'S WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT BECAUSE I'M WORRIED ABOUT SO OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE [INAUDIBLE]. YES, SIR. [00:50:10] I'M JACK [INAUDIBLE]. I LIVE AT 1805 NINE ARBOR ROAD. I THINK A LOT OF YOU ALREADY KNOW ME. I'M IN SUPPORT OF ALL DEVELOPMENT. I'M SORRY. THEN. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A HOBBY OF MINE. I WORK IN THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE. I DO ENGINEERING JUST LIKE MR. BONNELL DOES. MATTER OF FACT, WE WORKED TOGETHER FOR MORE YEARS THAN I CAN COUNT. I SEE DEVELOPMENT AS THE COUNTY BRINGING IN CUSTOMERS, CUSTOMERS THEN DRIVING A NEED FOR COMMERCE. COMMERCE THEN DRIVING TAXATION. THE MORE WE HAVE, THE BETTER. AND THE BIGGER AND THE BETTER AND THE BIGGER. SO I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THIS COMPLETELY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, SIR. ANYONE ELSE? LAST CALL. ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE FIRST HEARING ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE ANY ACTION YET. CORRECT? WE'RE GOING TO GO, I'M GOING TO OPEN THE HEARING FOR THE APPLICANT, WELL, IT'S THE REZONING PART OF IT, CORRECT? CORRECT. AS YOU'RE ALL AWARE. THEY SENT IT ALREADY. THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS ADOPTED APPROXIMATELY A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO, IN APRIL OF 2024. AND IT LAYS OUT GENERAL PLANNING AREAS IN AND AROUND THE TOWNS TO SEPARATE IT FROM THE RURAL, RESIDENTIAL OR RURAL OPEN SPACE, AG FORESTRY AREAS THAT COMPRISE MOST OF THE COUNTY. THIS PROPERTY WOULD BE IN THAT CORTLAND PLANNING AREA, AND OBVIOUSLY YOU TRY TO ENCOURAGE THE SEWER AND WATER DEVELOPMENT TO SERVE THOSE PROJECTS WITHIN THE CONSTRAINTS AND ECONOMIC REALITIES OF DOING SO. IN ORDER FOR THE REZONING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN , THAT'S WHY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT IS IN FRONT OF YOU THIS EVENING. IT CALLS FOR IT TO BE COMMERCIALLY DEVELOPED VERSUS RESIDENTIAL. SO THAT'S MY POINT ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT WITH THAT. OKAY. I KNOW WE GOT A LITTLE AHEAD OF OURSELVES, AND I DID THAT AND I APOLOGIZE, BUT THAT'S ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO CATCH UP NOW. ALRIGHT, NOW I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE SECOND PART OF THE HEARING, AND WE'LL CONTINUE ON WITH THE DISCUSSION THAT WE ALL [INAUDIBLE] TALKED ABOUT. ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMAN, FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? I THINK YOU BROUGHT FORWARD SOME GOOD POINTS OF INTEREST. I'M GOING TO ASK A QUESTION, GET Y'ALL STARTED. YOU´RE PROFFERING A ROAD, A LOOP ROAD, CORRECT? I N DEVELOPMENT, IS THAT CORRECT? EXCUSE ME? YOU'RE PROFFERING A ROAD? OH YES, NO, SIR. IS THAT. DID I SEE THAT CORRECTLY? IS THERE GOING TO BE A SIDEWALK ALONG THAT ROAD? DID I MISS SOMETHING THERE? IT'S IN THE APPLICATION. RANDOLPH, ARE THEY REQUIRED? SIDEWALKS ARE REQUIRED. THAT ARE REQUIRED. PLAN. SO WHETHER THAT BE A TRAIL SYSTEM OR A SIDEWALK OR SOMETHING TO PROMOTE DEVELOPMENTAL REQUIREMENTS. YES. RIGHT, OKAY, NOT A PROBLEM. OKAY. THAT'S REQUIRED. CORRECT. OKAY. STREET LIGHTS ARE REQUIRED. STORMWATER MANAGEMENT IS REQUIRED. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION PRIOR ON STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS FOR ROADSIDE DITCHES THAT WOULD MAINTAIN WATER, BASICALLY HAVING WATER IN THE DITCHES ON PURPOSE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. AND OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA GOING FORWARD. SO THAT'S WHY THE AMENDMENT BY THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM WAS MADE TO USE A WET POND, BECAUSE THEY WORK, THEY CAPTURE THE WATER IN THE QUANTITY, FILTER IT OUT INTO THE OVERFLOW AS, AS IT'S DESIGNED. [00:55:01] SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THOSE IN EVERY PROJECT. BECAUSE THEY'RE TRIED AND TRUE AND THEY WORK. AND IT'S THE SECOND AND LAST PAGE, IT SAYS JUST TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IT SAYS AS THIS WOULD BE PHASE TWO OF THE OVERALL SUBDIVISION, COMMA, SIDEWALKS ARE REQUIRED. THAT'S IN THE DEVELOPMENTAL REQUIREMENT. THAT'S WHERE I. ABOUT THE WATER, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THIS WILL BE THE WATER THAT'S COMING OUT OF THE OVERFLOW OF THE RETENTION POND, IT´S GOING TO GO DOWN TOWARD THE RAILROAD BED. IS THAT CORRECT? IT WOULD BE PIPED FOR THAT DURATION, SIR. FROM THE LAKE TO THE CORNER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN PHASE ONE. LOTS. 15, 14, 13 BASICALLY RIGHT IN THERE IS THE OUTFALL. AND SO IT WOULD BE PIPED ALL THE WAY FROM THE BMP TO THAT POINT. OKAY. AND THEN THE ROADSIDE DITCHES WOULD CARRY THE FLOW TO THE LAKE. WELL, I WAS BY THERE MONDAY. I DIDN'T WALK INTO THE PROPER. I DROVE TO THE GATES. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT WATER IS REALLY FLAT THROUGH THERE. AND OF COURSE, IT WAS A LOT OF WATER IN THAT WOODED AREA. I MEAN, FOR A LONG STRETCH. SO IT'S ALREADY SURELY A WETLANDS. BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT WATER WOULD TEND TO GO AWAY FROM HER PROPERTIES? IS THAT WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY? SO IF THERE'S WATER ALREADY THERE AS OF MONDAY. WHY ISN'T THAT WATER GOING AWAY? HOW MUCH MORE WOULD IT BE AT THIS POND? WOULD IT RISE ON HER PROPERTY BEFORE IT GOES WHERE IT'S GOING TO. YES, SIR. WELL, I THINK I DIDN'T MAKE MYSELF CLEAR. I UNDERSTAND THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE, WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT'S GOING TO TAKE PLACE, MY CONCERN IS, IF I UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECTLY, IT'S GOING TO GO BACK TOWARD THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE RAILROAD, THE ABANDONED RAILROAD. WHERE DOES THAT WATER GO WHEN IT LEAVES THAT RAILROAD BED? IT'S NOT ON THE EDGE OF THE ROOF, BUT IT'S PROBABLY WITHIN SIX INCHES. THERE'S A BASIN, AND IT SEEMS TO BE A VERY WET AREA. AND THIS LADY, NO, MA'AM. I DON'T KNOW WHICH HOUSE YOU LIVE IN, BUT I KNOW THERE'S SOME PONDS, AND I DON'T DO INTENTIONALLY BECAUSE I THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN THERE. BUT, YOU KNOW, ANY ADDITIONAL WATER YOU HAVE BEHIND A STORM EVENT? UNLESS YOUR WATER IS GOING ON THEIR SIDE. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WHICH WAY THE WATER GOES, BUT IF IT'S COMING YOUR WAY, IT WOULD BE A PROBLEM FOR YOU, MA'AM. I'LL GET SOME MAPPING TOGETHER AND SHOW YOU THAT. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW WE CAN PROVIDE YOU ONE WITH THAT. YEAH. THE DRAINAGE IN THIS GENERAL AREA IS SLOW. IT'S S LOW. IT'S SLOW. THERE'S WET. ALL NORTH OF THIS, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF FLAGGY RUN IS THE SWAMP. AND ACTUALLY FLAGGY. THIS AREA DRAINS SLOW. THAT'S JUST A FACT. OBVIOUSLY THE STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS ARE REQUIRED PER DEQ TO MEET STATE STANDARDS AND LOCAL STANDARDS FOR QUANTITY AND QUALITY. WE HAVE TO RETAIN THE TEN YEARS BACK TO PRE-DEVELOPED LEVELS, AND THE ONE YEAR STORM EVENT IS REDUCED BY A FACTOR. SO THE OUTFLOW SHOULD BE SEEING LESS WATER EQUAL TO OR LESS THAN WHAT IS SEEN NOW. WELL, I THINK MY I THINK MY CONCERN IS WHAT YOU'RE PAVING, YOU´RE PAVING GROUND AND YOU'RE PUTTING ROOFTOPS UP. [01:00:03] THAT'S GOING TO HAVE A BIGGER CONCENTRATION OF WATER IN THE AREAS LEFT OPEN. SO TO ME IT WOULD BE MORE, IT'D BE LESS SATURATION, NATURALLY, IT'D BE MORE RUNOFF. AND WE GOT TO KNOW FOR A FACT IS, WOULD THAT CREATE A PROBLEM FOR NEIGHBORING HOMES? SO I'LL TRY AND ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR YOU. BUT IF THE WATER GOES DOWN THAT RAILROAD BED AND GOES ON. WE LL, I GUESS THAT'S GOING EAST, I RECKON GOING AWAY FROM THESE PEOPLE'S PROPERTIES, BUT IF IT'S NOT, IT COULD BE AN ISSUE BECAUSE IT'S MORE WATER CONCENTRATED IN THAT PIPE SO THE WATER SATURATING THE WAY IT IS TODAY, YOU BRING IT TO A PAWN. THAT PAWN IS GOING TO OVERFLOW THAT PIPE. SO IN ORDER TO DEAL WITH THE DEQ HAS SEEN THAT. AND THE WAY THEY HAVE ADDRESSED IT IS THAT ONCE THE WATER ENTERS INTO THE POND, THERE'S A DURATION OF TIME THAT WATER HAS TO STAY IN THAT POND. IN OTHER WORDS, THERE'S AN EQUATION THAT YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW SO THAT THE FLOW PATH FROM THE INLET PIPE TO THE OUTLET PIPE, YOU HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THAT FLOW PATH REGULATION. AND SO THAT TENDS TO SLOW THE WATER DOWN EVEN MORE AS IT ENTERS INTO THE LAKE. IT SLOWS DOWN AND THEN AND THEN GOES OUT. SO THEY'VE TRIED TO ADDRESS THAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. I'LL CIRCLE BACK TO YOU ABOUT MAPPING. I APPRECIATE THAT. ANY MORE QUESTIONS? COMMENTS. MR. CHAIRMAN, ONE COMMENT. I DID RECEIVE A PHONE CALL YESTERDAY FROM A WILLIS FALLS. HE CURRENTLY LIVES IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA AT THE MOMENT, BUT HE WAS ACTUALLY A YOUNG CHILD AND RAISED ON FLAGGY RUN ROAD HERE IN THE 1960S. AND WE HAD A GOOD DISCUSSION. HE HAD CALLED. THEY OWN THE PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RAILROAD. HE OWNS ABOUT TEN ACRES. HIS SON HAS ABOUT 60 ACRES, AND IT'S JUST CURRENTLY WOODED PROPERTY OVER THERE. BUT HE DID BRING TO MY ATTENTION THAT GROWING UP ON FLAGGY RUN ROAD IN THAT AREA ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF A FAMILY CEMETERY BEING POSSIBLE ON THIS PROPERTY. HE DIDN'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE WHETHER THAT WOULD BE THE PHASE TWO SITE OR JUST IN THAT GENERAL VICINITY, BUT HE WANTED TO BRING THAT TO OUR ATTENTION, AND I'M BRINGING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION. AND WE DON'T HAVE A PHYSICAL SURVEY OF THE PHASE TWO PROPERTY YET THAT'S UNDER QUESTION FOR REZONING. BUT HE SAID THERE WAS A FAMILY CEMETERY LOCATED SOMEWHERE NEAR THOSE RAILROAD TRACKS. AND THAT WAS IN THE 1960S WHEN HE WAS GROWING UP, AS TO WHOM THAT MAY BE BURIED THERE, OR WHEN, OR THE LOCATION IS UNKNOWN AT THIS POINT, BUT I DID WANT TO MAKE THE COMMISSION AWARE OF THAT. SO THE NOTE NEEDS TO BE MADE OF THAT IF THAT CAN BE CONFIRMED. BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE A CEMETERY, IT HAS TO BE ACCESSIBLE TO. CORRECT. FAMILIES OR WHATEVER. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAD TO BE NOTED. POSSIBLY MAY NOT BE AN ISSUE, BUT IT COULD BE AN ISSUE. SO JOE, YOU'VE COMPLETED A PHASE ONE. WE HAD PHASE ONE DONE FOR ONE AND TWO. IF IT'S A CEMETERY THAT IS FOUND, I'VE DESIGNED A WHOLE SUBDIVISION AROUND THE CEMETERY. YEAH. YOU KNOW, YOU BRING A ROAD ALONG BY IT, AND THEN YOU PROVIDE ACCESS FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY INTO CEMETERY. SO YOU JUST AVOID IT, YOU DESIGN AROUND IT, YOU MAKE IT A PARK SETTING, DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO GO FIND ALL THE FAMILY MEMBERS INVOLVED. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? WE DID A PHASE 1 OR 2. YOU MAY WISH TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF THAT'S THE CASE. OKAY. ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE YOU IN PHASE ONE TO FULLY DEVELOP THAT? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? FINISH IT. [01:05:03] OKAY. AND THEN WOULD YOU START IN PHASE TWO WHILE YOU'RE PROGRESSING WITH THIS? OKAY. SO. YES, SIR. NOW THERE'S FOUR LOTS PLATTED, RIGHT? YES, SIR. LET'S BACK UP YOUR DEFINITION OF PLATTED VERSUS SOLD. SO YOU STILL OWN THE FOUR LOTS THAT'S PLATTED? YES, SIR. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THERE'S NO OTHER LANDOWNERS INVOLVED YET? NO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO YOU ARE THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AS WELL AS THE CONTRACTOR, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. I'M JUST GOING TO ASK THIS. THIS HAS NO SIGNIFICANCE, BUT DO YOU TEND TO BUY MATERIALS LOCALLY, OR DO YOU HAVE OTHER FIRMS THAT YOU TYPICALLY BUY FROM? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANTS? IF NOT, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE HEARING. LAST CHANCE. ALL RIGHT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR UP FOR ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION. ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH THE INFORMATION WE RECEIVED TONIGHT? AND HE'S GOING TO BE COMING BACK WITH A COUPLE OF MAYBE INSIGNIFICANT TO SOME OF YOU. TO ME, IT'S IMPORTANT, BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW THAT FLOAT. THAT WATER'S GOING TO FLOAT. I WANT TO BE SURE IT'S GOING TO FLOAT AWAY NOT ONLY FROM THE DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY, BUT ALSO FROM THE PEOPLE ACROSS THE, ESPECIALLY ACROSS THE ROAD. HAS EVERYBODY BEEN OUT AND SEEN THE PROPERTY, THE LOCATION? OKAY. I'VE SEEN A LOT OF NIGHTS. THE WATER SEEMS TO A POND ON THE OTHER SIDE, NOT THIS SIDE. IT SEEMS TO BE HIGHER ELEVATION. I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T WANT TO CAUSE A PROBLEM. THE ONES ACROSS THE STREET. I SURE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE WETLAND STUDY BEFORE PROGRESSING FURTHER MYSELF. RIGHT. MY THOUGHT. I AGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S SOME POTENTIAL POLLUTION. WATER. ISN'T THAT DEQ´S JOB, THOUGH? I MEAN, ARE WE IN THE WETLANDS BUSINESS? I MEAN, THAT'S DEQ´S JOB AND THAT'S THAT IS OUR PLANNING COMMISSION 'S JOB. I JUST THINK WE'RE OVERSTEPPING. I MEAN, IT'S DEQ´S JOB. THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS AND THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT IN THE DEQ BUSINESS. WELL, IF I MAY REFLECT ON THAT, COMMISSIONER RANDALL, THEY'VE SUBMITTED, THE PHASE ONE IS ZONED SO THAT CAN BE DEVELOPED OR IN THE PROCESS. AS PART OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY DURING THAT DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, WHEN WE IDENTIFY THROUGH THE NATIONAL WETLAND INVENTORY THAT THERE MAY BE WETLANDS ON THAT SITE WITH A ROAD GOING THROUGH THOSE WETLANDS AND SO FORTH. IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO REQUEST AND REQUIRE THAT WETLAND STUDY FROM THE APPLICANT. I PAID A LOT FOR A LOT SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WAITING ON BEFORE, BECAUSE IT MAY HAVE A MATERIAL EFFECT ON THE DESIGN OF THE SUBDIVISION OR POTENTIAL MITIGATION EFFORTS THAT MAY HAVE TO BE UNDERTAKEN BEFORE WE CAN SUBMIT THAT STORMWATER PLAN OR APPROVE IT LOCALLY AND SUBMIT IT TO DEQ FOR APPROVAL OF THE STORMWATER PERMIT FOR THE SITE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE IDENTIFIED WAY BACK IN FEBRUARY. AND WHEN WE COMPLETED OUR INITIAL REVIEW OF THAT PHASE ONE SITE, THAT WAS ONE OF THE KEY COMPONENTS WE REFLECTED BACK TO THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM IN APRIL WITH [01:10:09] OUR INITIAL REVIEW OF THAT. SO WE'RE WAITING FOR THAT WETLAND REPORT AS WELL. WELL, I THINK IT'S A LEGITIMATE CONCERN BECAUSE I HEARD A COMMENT MADE THAT THERE WAS A STREAM THAT WOULD BE BACKFILLED. WELL, YOU WOULD HAVE HAD THE RIGHT AUTHORITY BECAUSE ARMY CORPS. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT DICK. I WANT TO CALL THEM LIKE, THEY DON'T LIKE BACKFILLING. THEY LIKE THE DRAINS, YOU SEE. NATURAL. SO. BUT THEY MAY HAVE AUTHORITY TO OVERRIDE. SO I DO THINK THEY'RE LEGITIMATE CONCERNS. AND I'D LIKE YOU TO ANSWER SOME OF THAT BEFORE BEFORE. MR. CHAIRMAN, LET ME SAY A FEW THINGS. YES. THERE ARE FIVE DISTRICTS IN THIS COUNTY. EACH DISTRICT CONTAINS ABOUT 3675 CITIZENS. THIS MY DISTRICT. IT'S NOT THE JERUSALEM DISTRICT BECAUSE IT SAYS IT'S THE CENTRAL DISTRICT. NOW, IN ME THINKING ABOUT THIS, I'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF PHONE CALLS, NEGATIVE PHONE CALLS ABOUT THIS. AND I HAVE TO CONSIDER, IS THIS THE BEST THING FOR THE COUNTY AND MY DISTRICT? AND WHAT I HEAR TONIGHT, I CANNOT SUPPORT REZONING THAT FROM AGRICULTURE TO CR2. THERE'S TOO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS. AND FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM THE PEOPLE I REPRESENT, THEY DON'T WANT THIS. SO I'M IN TOTAL OPPOSITION TO IT. WELL, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, IT'S NOT IT'S NOT BEING SO-CALLED FORMED. IT'S NOT. CORRECT? I DIDN'T SEE THAT THE OTHER DAY. OKAY, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. IT PROBABLY WAS AT ONE TIME, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT IN THERE. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. THERE'S A FIELD. YOU'RE CORRECT ON THAT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I'D LIKE TO BRING UP A POINT. YES, SIR. . THAT'S WHY I'M SO CONFUSED. IT WAS A COMMERCIAL. NO, NO. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, YOU'RE RIGHT. BUT I THOUGHT IT SO. AND THAT'S WHERE THE BUILDING CODE KICKS IN AND MAKES A FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION GO UP. SO LET'S GO BACK TO, OF PHASE TWO PROPERTY IS AGRICULTURE. IT'S A-1 AGRICULTURE. THE GIS SYSTEM IS INCORRECT. IT SHOWS IT AS R2. THAT IS INCORRECT. I'VE HAD TO GO BACK TO THE ACTUAL PAPER MAP. PLEASE REALIZE ABOUT A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO, THE COUNTY TOOK ITS 118 PAGE ZONING BOOK AND DIGITIZED THAT INTO [01:15:01] THE GIS. AND SO WHEN YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, LITERALLY OVER 10,000 PARCELS COUNTYWIDE, THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME DISCREPANCIES THAT DID NOT TRANSPOSE OVER TO THE GIS CORRECTLY. AND THAT'S, PART OF MY RESPONSIBILITY AS A ZONING ADMINISTRATOR IS TO ENSURE THAT THE ZONING IS ACCURATE. UNFORTUNATELY, IN THIS CASE, THE GIS INACCURATE. SO IT WAS BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION. AND THAT'S WHY THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING TO REQUEST THAT REZONING TO R2. OKAY. WITH THAT. BUT GETTING BACK PHASE ONE IS ZONED R2, THAT IS ZONED THAT IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED IN SOME FORM OR FASHION. THAT'S A GIVEN. YES. THIS PHASE TWO WOULD HAVE SOME BENEFITS AS FAR AS THE CONNECTIVITY AND TRYING TO IMPROVE THE OVERALL DRAINAGE FOR THIS COMPREHENSIVE SITE FOR BOTH SITES. HOWEVER, THERE ARE OTHER OUTSTANDING ISSUES, YOU KNOW, WITH THE WETLANDS. SEVERAL PROFFERS WERE OFFERED THIS EVENING AS WELL, YOU KNOW, THE OVERALL DRAINAGE PATTERN FOR THAT. SO IT MAY BE SOMETHING YOU WISH TO, YOU KNOW, TABLE TO YOUR NEXT MEETING TO GET THAT INFORMATION SO IT CAN BE PUT FORTH IN A IN A MANNER THAT EVERYBODY CAN UNDERSTAND AND MAKE THE APPROPRIATE DECISION WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DENIAL AT THAT TIME. HAVE THREE OPTIONS. THEY CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THE PROFFERS. THEY CAN RECOMMEND DENIAL OR THEY CAN TABLE IT TO REQUEST FURTHER INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANT. TIMEFRAME ON THAT? SO YOU'VE ALREADY HAD THE ARMY CORPS COME AND DELINEATE? HOW ABOUT IF WE ASK FOR THE ARMY CORPS TO COME IN AND LOOK? I'M SORRY? HOW ABOUT IF WE ASK YOU ASK FOR THE ARMY CORPS TO COME IN AND LOOK? WHAT'S HE GOING TO SAY? THAT'S WHAT BOTHERS ME ABOUT THE WETLANDS DELINEATION AND THE DRAINAGE. I'VE ALWAYS ASSUMED ONCE YOU START REMOVING STUMPS, YOU FALL UNDER THE COURT'S JURISDICTION. IS THAT NOT TRUE? CORRECT. AND WE ULTIMATELY IT HAS TO MEET LOCAL STORMWATER ORDINANCES. MR. RANDALL'S PLACE AND GOES RIGHT STRAIGHT TO THE NOTTOWAY, ABOUT 250 YARDS INTO THE NOTTOWAY, AND GO DOWN THERE AND SHOW YOU WHERE IT GOES INTO THE NOTTOWAY. DRAINAGE WATER IS GOING TO GO THAT WAY. [01:20:06] FROM THE WETLAND DELINEATOR, HAS NOT BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY. SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. CORRECT. THAT CAN BE DEVELOPED. YES. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS REDO THINGS TO TRY TO LINE UP PHASE TWO AND REDESIGN THE WHOLE PLAT, CORRECT? CORRECT. THE PHASE TWO REQUIRES A REZONING TO THE RESIDENTIAL TWO DISTRICT, AND IT WOULD PROVIDE CONNECTIVITY TO THE PHASE ONE. THAT'S PART OF THE REQUIREMENT THAT VDOT HAS THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE JUST ONE ENTRANCE SUBDIVISIONS ANYMORE. YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO ENTRANCES. SHOULD PHASE TWO NEVER GET REZONED, THEN PHASE ONE WOULD JUST HAVE THAT STUB STREET TO THE PROPERTY LINE AND THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD END. I'VE GOT INFORMATION OFF OF IT, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF MISINFORMATION ON GIS AND I HATE THAT SO MANY PEOPLE DEPEND ON IT, BUT IT'S NOT FAIR TO ME. AND THEY WERE JUST ADAMANT THAT GIS SAID THIS. AND I TOLD THEM THE CLERK OF COURT HAD WHAT WAS ACCURATE AND A WARRANTY ON THE CAR. DO WE NEED TO LEAD THIS PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND CONTINUE IT, OR DO WE JUST NEED TO? I BELIEVE THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN CLOSED, CORRECT? YES. WHETHER YOU TAKE ACTION THIS EVENING OR NOT, YOU HAVE 100 DAYS FROM THE APPLICATION. SO ESSENTIALLY YOU HAVE THREE MEETINGS IN WHICH TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. IF YOU DO NOT MAKE A RECOMMENDATION WITHIN 100 DAYS OF THE APPLICATION, IT GOES FORWARD WITH RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. WELL, I JUST MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONTINUE THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING AND, NOT CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT LET'S NOT VOTE ON IT TONIGHT. LET'S GET OTHER INFORMATION HERE, AND. MR. MANN, WHAT EXACTLY INFORMATION DO YOU WANT? I LIKE THE WETLANDS ISSUES, BUT I'M. I´D JUST LIKE TO. I'M HEARING HIM SAYING THAT IT WAS R2. I JUST LIKE TO SEE THAT WE'RE CLEAR ON THIS R2. RANDALL. I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WAS A BIG ISSUE HERE. AND TO ME, IT'S A BIG ISSUE. AND I JUST WANTED TO LEAVE IT SO THAT WE CAN WE GOT ALL THAT INFO IN FRONT OF US NEXT MONTH. AND WE'RE REQUESTING THE PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO ENVIRONMENTAL TO BE REVIEWED BY MR. RANDOLPH. PHASE ONE IS DONE, CORRECT? AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. I'M JUST TRYING TO ASK WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR YOU TO DISCLOSE. [01:25:15] AND I CAN REALIZE YOUR FRUSTRATION ON THAT, BECAUSE THAT WAS A QUESTION I HAD TO MR. RANDOLPH, WHEN I INITIALLY CAME IN HERE THIS AFTERNOON, BECAUSE WHEN I WENT UP ON THE SITE AND WAS LOOKING AT THAT AND THEN PULLING DOWN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THEN PULLING UP THE PROPERTY ITSELF, [INAUDIBLE]. THEY WERE ALREADY R-2. SO I'M LIKE, WHY AM I REZONING A PIECE THAT'S ALREADY SAYING. WELL AM I THEN CATCHING MY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UP TO MEET WHAT WAS SOMETHING ALREADY DONE IN THE BEGINNING. SO THAT WAS MY CONFLICT. SO THAT'S WHEN I STARTED PULLING DOWN PHOTOS AND ALL KIND OF THINGS, LOOKING AT EVERYTHING THAT IMPACTS THIS SITUATION. AND I CAN FULLY UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, YOUR FRUSTRATION BECAUSE IT CAUSED ME FRUSTRATION TRYING TO LIKE, OKAY. SAY FOR THE HYDRAULICS ON THIS SITUATION, I COULD SEE HOW PHASE ONE WENT THROUGH BECAUSE BASICALLY IT'S ALMOST 95% OPEN LAND. ON PHASE TWO, THE HYDRAULICS IS IMPACTED BECAUSE YOU WILL BE REMOVING TREES AND STUFF FROM THE AREA, WHICH TREES ACTUALLY ABSORB MOISTURE AND EVERYTHING. SO THAT WOULD CHANGE THE HYDRAULICS IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA. BUT AS FAR AS PHASE ONE, YOU'RE LOOKING GOOD. YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS WE CLEAR UP THIS TECHNICAL MATTER ON WHY ONE THING SHOWED TO YOU ON THE OWNERSHIP THINGS AND EVERYTHING ELSE ON R2. AND THEN WE HEAR REZONING, SOMETHING THAT'S SHOWING IS ALREADY THERE, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO JUST WANT. I FEEL YOU. URQUHART, IN 2008, WHEN PHASE ONE WAS ORIGINALLY ZONED, AND BY 2012, WHEN THE FIRST ROADWAY, THE STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS AND STANDARDS WERE VASTLY DIFFERENT. STATE DEQ, THEY'VE GONE THROUGH ESSENTIALLY THREE CODE CYCLES SINCE THEN. SO THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT ARE MUCH MORE STRICT TODAY THAN THEY WERE 12, 13, 14 YEARS AGO. YEAH. AND THAT'S WHY MY TESTIMONY HERE IN SEVERAL MEETINGS HAS BEEN ALONG THE LINES OF THE INACCURACY OF THE GIS SYSTEM. AND IF I GET MY PACKAGE AND I'M LOOKING AT DIFFERENT THINGS, I NEED TO PULL FROM ALL RESOURCES SO I CAN MAKE AN INTELLIGENT DECISION WHEN I COME HERE. BUT IF MY RESOURCES ARE SPOILED, THEN IT PUTS ME AT A DISADVANTAGE IN MAKING A TRUE PHASE, YOU KNOW, DECISION ON A MATTER. SO THAT'S WHY ALL THE INPUT HERE REALLY MAKES A BIG IMPORTANT, AS IT HAS CAUSED YOUR FRUSTRATION. WELL, FOR THE RECORD, WHAT WE´LL DO , HOW WE ACT TONIGHT. I STILL WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW UP. I DON'T KNOW IF THE PEOPLE ACROSS THE ROAD WOULD BE, THERE WOULD BE AN IMPACT ON A WRITTEN ACCOUNT OF SOMEONE THAT IT WOULD BE NO, NO IMPACT ON THEM UNDER NORMAL CONDITIONS. THE 100 YEAR FLOOD AREA IS FLOODED. BUT UNTIL I KNEW WHERE THAT WATER IS GOING AND WHY IS THERE SO MUCH WATER THERE IN THAT WOODED AREA, MONDAY. I DON'T GO THROUGH THAT VERY OFTEN. I DIDN'T MAKE A SPECIAL TRIP THAT MONDAY, AND THAT ALL THOSE TREES ARE STANDING IN WATER, WHICH IS VERY ODD. SO THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN. IS THERE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR OR DID THE MOTION NOT? [01:30:05] IS THAT CORRECT, MR. MANN? IS THAT YOUR MOTION? I DO NOT HAVE A SECOND YET. WE'RE STILL IN DISCUSSION, BUT I'LL ENTERTAIN A SECOND IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE. THE MOTION IS TO TABLE THE MATTER TO THE NEXT MEETING. I'LL SECOND IT. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO TABLE THE VOTE UNTIL NEXT MEETING. IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I WOULD SAY, YEAH, TO GO WITH THAT SO WE CAN CLEAR UP ALL OF THESE MATTERS THAT WERE BROUGHT TO ATTENTION. BECAUSE EVEN YOU HAVE TO GO BACK FOR SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT THEY. AND NEXT MEETING, WE SHOULD HAVE A DEFINITIVE ANSWER FOR YOU. AND HOPEFULLY THAT DEFINITIVE ANSWER IS BREAK GROUND, RIGHT. AND ALSO CLARIFY WHAT THE ORIGINAL ZONING WAS. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT, BUT IT SURE WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW WHAT HE BOUGHT IT UNDER, RIGHT? YEAH. AND THAT ALSO MAKES SURE THAT WE HAVE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE ON THE INFORMATION. I WOULD SAY AS SOON AS WE CLEAR UP ALL THESE MATTERS, YOU ARE SHOVEL READY. WILL BE FINE. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR OF TABLING THE VOTE UNTIL NEXT MEETING, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED, LIKE SIGN? ALL RIGHT, SO WE HAVE THREE DISSENTING VOTES. BUT I THINK THE AYES HAVE IT TO HOLD IT NEXT MEETING. WE HAD THREE, CORRECT. MR. CHAIRMAN, AS A NOTE, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR WITH A SECOND TO TABLE THE VOTE TO THE NEXT MEETING. CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL SO I CAN TAKE NOTES? I DID NOT. ALL RIGHT. SO THE MOTION IS TO TABLE THE VOTE UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING. CAN I CALL THE ROLL FOR THE VOTE ON THAT? THAT'D BE GOOD. ALLSTON? AYE. TURNER? NAY. EDWARDS? NAY. NAY. HOLD ON, I'LL CALL YOU. RANDALL? NAY. URQUHART? AYE. MANN? AYE. AND DAY? YES. SO FAR, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE FOUR YESES AND THREE NOS WITHOUT YOUR VOTE. NAY. WHAT WAS THAT TOTAL THIS TIME? SO IT WAS A TIE VOTE 4 TO 4. SO THE MOTION DOES NOT CARRY. THAT'S CORRECT. DROP TIE DOESN'T GO TO THE RUNNER. MOTION DOES NOT CARRY. I´LL MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE THE APPLICATION. I'LL SECOND IT. EXCUSE ME SIR, WHAT WAS THAT MOTION? A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION. I HAVE A PROPER MOTION. YOU MAY WISH TO AMEND THAT MOTION. THERE ARE ACTUALLY TWO. I DON'T THINK WE CAN MAKE ANOTHER MOTION AFTER WE'VE ALREADY VOTED TO NOT ASK FOR A RULING ON THAT. IT WAS TIED VOTE. SO IT DOESN'T CARE. IT DIDN'T MATTER. NULL AND VOID? THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. WE VOTE A THIRD TIME, THEN? IF YOU WISH TO PUSH DIFFERENT YES. IT SAYS NO. AND THAT'S WHAT IT WAS, RIGHT? THE MOTION TO TABLE THE APPLICATION DOES NOT PASS. DOES NOT PASS. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, TO. WE WANT TO DO THEM IN SEPARATE MOTIONS OR ALTOGETHER? BECAUSE I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE WOULD APPROVE. LET ME GET THE LANGUAGE CORRECT. APPROVE CPA 202 5-01. THE CPA APPLICATION AND TO APPROVE . THE APPLICATION SHOULD BE VOTED ON SEPARATELY. SO I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CPA 2025-01. SECOND. OKAY, THAT'S A PROPER MOTION. PROPER SECOND. FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. ANY DISCUSSION? NOW, WHAT EXACTLY ARE WE VOTING ON NOW? THIS THE FIRST CHANGE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN . OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THE FIRST AMENDMENT. CAN I CALL THE ROLL, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, PLEASE. ALLSTON? AYE. TURNER? AYE. EDWARDS? NAY. RANDALL? AYE. URQUHART? AYE. MANN? [01:35:02] NAY. DAY? AYE. AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO VOTE, MR. CHAIRMAN. NO. VOTE 5 TO 3. THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT DOES PASS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE REZ 2025-03. SECOND. I HAVE A PROPER MOTION AND SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I'M GOING TO MAKE ONE COMMENT. THE REASON I'M OBJECTIVE, BECAUSE I WANT THE OTHER INFORMATION AT HAND FIRST, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE GOING FORWARD. THAT'S JUST MY $0.02 WORTH. BUT ANYWAY, SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS? IF NOT, I´LL CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? MR. [INAUDIBLE], IF YOU'LL READ THE ROLL CALL AGAIN. ALLSTON? NO. TURNER? AYE. EDWARDS? NO. RANDALL? AYE. PERSISTENT NO. NAY, NAY, NAY. MANN? NAY. DAY? NO. MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU'D LIKE TO VOTE? NO. NO. WE HAVE SIX VOTES. NO. TWO YES. SO THE MOTION DOES NOT PASS FOR THE RECOMMENDATION ON THE REZONING. THE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVING THE REZONING. ALL RIGHT. THAT SUMS THAT UP. OKAY. SO THAT WILL, SINCE WE VOTED TONIGHT, THAT'S GOING [7. MEETING SCHEDULE] TO BE ON THE AGENDA, I GUESS IN JULY OR AUGUST FOR THE GOVERNING BODY. IS THAT CORRECT? THESE GENTLEMEN NEED TO ATTEND THE MEETING. IT'LL BE IN AUGUST. IN AUGUST. IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. I WOULD ADVISE AND HOPE THAT ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD COME TO THAT MEETING AND VOICE THEIR OPINIONS AT THAT MEETING. AND, MR. RANDOLPH, IF THE APPLICANT, IF THEY DO FORWARD THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAD REQUESTED TONIGHT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL AS WELL. MAYBE TO THE BOARD. IT WOULD CERTAINLY BRING SOME RESOLUTION TO THOSE QUESTIONS THAT WE DIDN'T GET AN ANSWER TONIGHT. WELL, PLEASE BEAR IN MIND THAT THE MOTION WAS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REZONING APPLICATION. THAT MOTION DID NOT PASS. SO THERE IS NO RECOMMENDATION GOING FORWARD TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AT THIS POINT. IF YOU WISH TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE REZONING REQUEST AND VOTE ON THAT, DEPENDING ON THE VOTE, THAT WOULD BE THE RECOMMENDATION, OR IF NOT, IT WOULD BE TABLED BY DEFAULT TO BRING BACK. YOU HAD A MOTION TO APPROVE IT THAT DID NOT PASS. THAT'S WHERE IT STANDS. SO YOU DON'T HAVE A MOTION TO DENY IT OR RECOMMEND DENIAL OF IT. SO JUST TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION. SO WE WILL, SO THE OPTIONS ARE. WE COULD VOTE TONIGHT FOR THE NOW, OR WE COULD WAIT ON THAT VOTE TO GET. BECAUSE YOU HAVE, AS I MENTIONED, BY PER STATE CODE, YOU HAVE 100 DAYS IN WHICH TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, EITHER PRO OR FOR OR AGAINST. IF YOU MAKE NO RECOMMENDATION DURING THAT TIME OR TAKE NO ACTION, IT GOES FORWARD AS A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. SO WE NEED STILL IN A POSITION THAT IT WOULD BE NICE TO GET THE ANSWERS BY NEXT MONTH FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION . YEAH, SO IF YOU TAKE NO FURTHER ACTION THIS EVENING, IT WOULD BE CARRIED OVER TO YOUR NEXT MONTH'S PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. SO I'M GOING TO ASK THE COMMISSIONERS, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? I GUESS I WOULD TAKE A MOTION IF YOU FELT LIKE WE NEEDED TO ACT TONIGHT. BUT IF YOU'RE WILLING TO TABLE TO GET THE ANSWERS THAT WE ASKED EARLIER. MAYBE WE SHOULD NOT. BUT IT'S YOUR PREROGATIVE IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION. I JUST WANT TO WAIT. ORIGINALLY I HATE TO SEND ANYTHING TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, MAKING A RECOMMENDATION WITHOUT CLARIFYING WHAT ISSUES WE HAVE HERE. [01:40:04] WE'VE ALWAYS TRIED TO CLARIFY THE ISSUES WE GOT HERE. SO THE WAY WE'RE SITTING RIGHT NOW, IF IT COMES BACK BEFORE THIS BOARD, WE JUST SIT TIGHT AND LOOK AT WHAT ANSWERS COME BACK. AND I JUST LIKE TO HAVE A LOT OF CLARIFICATION BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND HIS FRUSTRATION. YEAH. AND I WANT TO BE SURE THAT WHEN IT LEAVES THIS BOARD, THERE'S CLARIFICATION SO THAT THERE'S NO DISCUSSION, TOO MUCH BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. WE'VE IRONED OUT ALL THE KINKS FOR HIS SAKE AND FOR THE COUNTY'S SAKE. MR DAY HAVE YOU GOT A COMMENT, BEFORE WE? IF I WAS IN THIS GENTLEMAN'S POSITION AND I CAME IN AND BOUGHT SOMETHING THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING, IT WAS ZONED R2, THEN I WOULD BE VERY UPSET IF WE'RE SITTING HERE TONIGHT DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING. SO I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT. AND ONCE THAT'S CLARIFIED, I THINK IT'S PRETTY SMOOTH SAILING FROM THERE. OKAY. MR URQUHART, GOT A COMMENT? JUST TRYING TO GET A FEEL OF EVERYBODY. I WOULD SAY, BEING THAT WE'RE SENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ISSUE TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO GET APPROVED OR WHATEVER LIKE THAT, THEN THE CONSENSUS HERE, THAT ONCE THAT HURDLE IS CLEARED AND THE INFORMATION IS HERE, THEN THE ZONING APPLICATION WILL MORE THAN LIKELY GO THROUGH. AND WE'RE JUST HOUSE CLEANING OUR MESS. RIGHT. AND I'M SORRY FOR YOUR FRUSTRATION ON THAT. AND I APOLOGIZE TO YOU. THANK YOU. MR. MANN, YOU GOT A COMMENT? I DO NOT. MR. EDWARDS? MAYOR, MR. URQUHART. EXPLANATION. MR. TURNER, YOU GOT A COMMENT? I´M GOOD. OKAY. MISS ALLSTON? IT'S JUST A MATTER OF BEING VERY CLEAR AND CLEAN ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING SO THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS NEVER QUESTIONED ABOUT OUR DECISIONS. SO I ECHO MR. URQUHART. ALL RIGHT. I WOULD SAY ONE OTHER THING. THAT I GOT NUMEROUS PHONE CALLS SAYING THAT WE OUGHT TO TURN THE WHOLE PROJECT DOWN. AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T REALIZE THAT PHASE ONE IS ALREADY GONE THROUGH. CORRECT. AND I THINK THAT UNFORTUNATELY, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE NOT UPSET, BUT WE'RE NOT AWARE THAT IT IS HAPPENING. I WOULD SAY ON THAT IF IT'S THAT MUCH TELECOMMUNICATION THING DOING, THEN IT WOULD BEHOOVE THOSE INDIVIDUALS TO SHOW UP FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT. AGREED. AGREED. YEAH. THEY'RE NOT HERE TONIGHT. EXACTLY. AND THERE WAS QUITE AN EXTENSIVE LIST IN THIS PACKET. AND TO HAVE ONLY ONE PERSON REALLY COME TO TALK IS A, WE QUESTION THAT. BECAUSE SOMEWHAT TO A POINT, IT´S NOT FAIR FOR US TO HOLD SITUATION ON MR. BENTON ON THE LINES OF HEARSAY. RIGHT. BECAUSE SOMEBODY'S CALLING ME OR WHATEVER LIKE THAT. THAT'S HEARSAY. IT BECOMES OFFICIAL WHEN YOU GO TO THAT MIC. ALL RIGHT. SO I GOT A CONSENSUS OF YOUR FEELINGS. DOES ANYBODY CARE TO MAKE A MOTION TONIGHT? OR YOU JUST WANT TO BE SILENT AND JUST LET TO CARRY ON WITHOUT NEXT MEETING, BUT ADDRESS IT AGAIN IF YOU TAKE NO FURTHER ACTION, IT WILL BE. IT WILL CARRY FORWARD NEXT MEETING. FROM MY NOTES BACK HERE. GENERAL WETLAND ISSUES TO HOPE TO HAVE THE WETLAND DELINEATION REPORT IN FROM YOURSELF, FROM THE APPLICANT. CLARIFICATION ON THE ZONING CERTIFICATION PROCESS THAT GOT US TO HERE AND JUST GENERAL TOPOGRAPHY TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WOULD BE NO IMPACTS TO NEGATIVE IMPACT TO THE ADJOINING PROPERTY. SO I WOULD SAY THOSE ALONG WITH THERE WERE, I BELIEVE, SEVERAL PROFFERS YOU ADDITIONALLY OFFERED THIS EVENING TO HAVE THEM PLACED IN WRITING SO [01:45:02] THEY CAN BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE ACTUAL PACKAGE. DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. I'M GOING TO ASK ALSO, IF YOU COULD FOLLOW THROUGH THE CONVERSATION WITH THE GENTLEMAN THAT THOUGHT HE RECOLLECTED OF SOME OF THAT RESOLVED AS WELL, EVEN THOUGH THE STUDY HAS BEEN DONE. BUT IF HE CAN SHOW EVIDENCE, THAT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED, BECAUSE WE JUST NEED TO KNOW THAT FOR SURE IF DON'T HEARSAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. APPRECIATE THAT. ALL RIGHT. I'M NOT HEARING ANY FEEDBACK, SO WE'LL CONTINUE FORWARD TO OUR NEXT MEETING, AND WE'LL PATIENTLY WAIT FOR THE ADDITIONAL RESULTS OF THE INFORMATION, AND THEY WILL HOPEFULLY MAKE A DECISION THEN. ALL RIGHT. MOVING RIGHT ALONG TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE. THERE'S NO UNFINISHED BUSINESS. ITEM NUMBER SIX. THERE WAS NO NEW BUSINESS BROUGHT FORWARD, BUT DO I HEAR ANYTHING? WE MADE IT. THE PLANNING COMMISSION MADE A REQUEST TO THE BOARD FOR EIGHT POSITIONS ON THE BOARD, AND THAT WAS APPROVED. ONE FROM EACH DISTRICT IS FIVE AND THREE AT LARGE. SO WE STILL ARE MAINTAINING AN EIGHT MAN COMMISSION. VERY GOOD. AND IT WAS NOTED AT THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING TO BRING THE COMMISSIONER´S TERMS. I'M STILL WORKING ON THAT. THERE'S AGAIN, SOME DISCREPANCIES ON WHAT'S SHOWN ON OUR COUNTY WEBSITE. SO WE'VE HAD TO GO BACK AND RESEARCH THROUGH THE ACTUAL MINUTES OF THE BOARD MEETINGS WHEN THE. BECAUSE SOME OF Y'ALL HAVE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND HAVE BEEN THROUGH MULTIPLE REAPPOINTMENTS, OTHERS ARE RELATIVELY NEW. SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET THOSE FACTS STRAIGHT, SO WHEN WE PRESENT THAT TO THE COMMISSION IT'S ACTUAL FACTUAL APPOINTMENTS AND MR. MANN, OUR COMMISSIONERS ARE SO-CALLED CERTIFIED, CORRECT? I DO NOT HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT. WELL DIDN'T WE HAVE A YEAR OR A YEAR AND A HALF TO TAKE? Y OU WENT TO THE CLASS. STUDY COURSE? WE WENT. WE WENT THROUGH THE TRAINING. IT USED TO BE A SPRING AND FALL SEMINAR GIVEN MR. RANDOLPH, MR. URQUHART? AND IT KIND OF PROVIDES ALL THE COST, I THINK, STILL? CORRECT, YEAH. O UR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BUDGET DOES HAVE TRAVEL TRAINING FOR PLANNING COMMISSION . CAN I ASK A QUESTION? RANDOLPH, I JUST WANT TO SAY I APPRECIATE ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE CLEANING UP, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. BUT IN THE FUTURE, IF THERE'S AN ISSUE, COULD YOU PRETTY PLEASE, WITH SUGAR ON TOP DISCLOSE IT? BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE FINDING OUT ABOUT PROBLEMS. AS FAR AS ISSUE, JUST. ISSUES WITH THE GIS. BECAUSE I THINK AND THEN MY SECOND ISSUE BEING THAT WE JUST VOTED TO APPROVE A CONDITIONAL USE AND THEN DISAPPROVE THE REZONING. IS THE COUNTY ATTORNEY GOING TO ATTEND ANY OF OUR MEETINGS? OR AM I? I T IS NOT ANTICIPATED. YEAH. OKAY. I'M JUST SAYING THAT THERE WAS SOME PRETTY BIG ISSUES TONIGHT, GUYS. AND I WOULD JUST ASK EVERYONE TO STEP BACK AND REFLECT ON SOME OF THE ACTIONS WE TOOK. I THINK WE'VE GOT TO IMPROVE AS A BOARD. AND I MEAN, NOT THE DECISIONS, JUST THE PROCEDURE WE TOOK AND HOW WE DID IT. SO I JUST ASK EVERYONE TO REFLECT. I MEAN, WHAT PEOPLE VOTE IS THEIR RIGHT. BUT WE VOTED TO APPROVE OUR CPA AND THEN WE VOTED AGAINST [01:50:05] OUR REZONING. I MEAN, IF YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE, IT WAS VERY INCONSISTENT AND WE'RE GOING TO GET US IN A SPOT. I WAS THINKING ABOUT MR. REILLY AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH THAT, AND I WOULD HAVE THROWN A LIFE PRESERVER TO HIM, BUT I HAD NO ONE TO THROW THE LIFE PRESERVER TO. WELL, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION TAKE A STAND ON THAT. AND IF WE WANT TO HAVE AN ATTORNEY HERE PRESENT AT THE MEETING. SO DOES EVERYBODY REALIZE WHAT WE VOTED ON? I THINK IT'S VERY APPROPRIATE. WELL, TO RECAP, AS YOU MENTIONED, MR. RANDALL, THERE IS A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION TO CHANGE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FROM COMMERCIAL TO LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL THAT WAS VOTED AND RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL. THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REZONING DID NOT CARRY. I AGREE. SO IT WILL BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU, NOT AS A PUBLIC HEARING NEXT MONTH, BUT SO I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS NECESSARILY OUT OF ORDER. WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO CHANGE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. THAT WILL GO FORWARD TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, AND WE REFRAIN FROM PUTTING THAT IN FRONT OF THE BOARD NEXT MONTH, SO WE DON'T CONFUSE THEM TO ALLOW THIS BODY. GIS PROBLEMS AND DISCLOSURE AND I AGREE WITH MR. MANN, BUT WE HAD LOTS OF PROCEDURAL PROBLEMS IN THIS APPLICATION. IT WAS A VERY MESSY APPLICATION. YES. AND A LITTLE BACK STORY ON THIS. I'M NOT THROWING, I'M JUST ASKING FOR OUR ENTIRE BOARD TO THINK ABOUT THAT. WELL, THE BOARD THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAS THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF US ON THE BOARD THAT WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION , WOULD TAKE A STRONG STAND AND SAY, WE WANT LEGAL REPRESENTATION, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF US ON THE BOARD WHO HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT. BUT YOU DO HAVE AN ATTORNEY AT YOUR MEETINGS, CORRECT? EVERY WEEK, EVERY EVERY MONTH? YEAH, WITH EVERY MEETING. YEAH. IS THIS THE SAME ATTORNEY THAT'S IN RICHMOND? YES. HE JUST DOESN'T BOTHER TO COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. I HAVEN'T SEEN HIM. I'VE NEVER SEEN HIM. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO IT IS. AND I GOT THE IMPRESSION FROM THE APPLICANT THAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY SAID IT'S GOING TO BE A GO AHEAD. I DON'T KNOW, HEY. IF I COULD PROVIDE A LITTLE HISTORY ON THIS POTENTIAL PROJECT AND AGAIN, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS, MR. RANDALL. IT'S BEEN QUITE AN UPHILL STRUGGLE FOR ME TO KIND OF CLEAN UP A LOT OF THE LEFTOVER MESSES FROM THE INTERIM. AND I KNOW THAT. I DON'T THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY OPPOSITION ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO US, THE PLANNING COMMISSION , REQUESTING TO HAVE AN ATTORNEY HERE, BECAUSE THERE'S A NUMBER OF US THAT HAVE QUESTIONED THAT DECISION TO NOT HAVE ONE. SO CAN WE PUT A MOTION TO THE FLOOR TO HAVE THAT REQUEST MADE? I THINK I KNOW WHY. IT'S A MONEY THING. COST? YEAH IT'S NOT FAIR. THAT'S RIGHT. AND IF I WAS PLAYING DUAL ROLES. AND WE CAN'T SAY THE WORD FRUSTRATION 27 TIMES. AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID HERE TONIGHT. OKAY. WELL, YEAH. BUT IF WE HAVE A QUESTION THAT CANNOT BE ANSWERED, I THINK WE NEED . BUT IT HAS TO BE WITHIN OUR PURVIEW. IT HAS TO BE WITHIN OUR PURVIEW. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION REQUESTS THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, CONSIDER THAT WE HAVE LEGAL REPRESENTATION AT OUR MEETINGS. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. HAVE A PROPER MOTION, A PROPER SECOND. NOW ENTERTAIN DISCUSSION. UNLESS. DO W E NORMALLY TAKE ACTION ON A PARTICULAR MATTER IF THERE'S NO PUBLIC HEARING? DO WE? I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF WE ALWAYS DO. WE NEED THEM IN EVERY MEETING. OR IS IT THOSE TIMES THAT WE ENGAGE WITH THE PUBLIC? [01:55:01] HEARING? SEE, MR. RANDOLPH WOULD PROBABLY RECOGNIZE, YOU WOULD PROBABLY RECOGNIZE WHEN IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE KIND OF A SLACK MEETING. WE MIGHT NOT NEED THE ATTORNEY PRESENT. THE BOARD TO PROVIDE THE FUNDING FOR THE LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE. THAT WOULD BE. TO HAVE THAT AT EACH AND EVERY MEETING. AND THEN CERTAINLY IT WOULD BE AT THE DISCRETION OF THE ATTORNEY THAT IF IT'S A LIGHT AGENDA THAT DOES NOT APPEAR TO HAVE ANY THINGS THAT . MR. RANDOLPH, WANTING SOME LEGAL REPRESENTATION THERE. RIGHT. YEAH. SO IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A LIGHT AGENDA OR A LIGHT MEETING, THEN CERTAINLY MAYBE THE ATTORNEY DOESN'T HAVE TO ATTEND. BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THEY BE AVAILABLE FOR EACH AND EVERY MEETING BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW PARTICULARLY. I THINK IT JUST MAKES VERY GOOD SENSE THAT WOULD BE THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. OKAY. OKAY. ERIC GREGORY IS OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, HE´S A VERY FINE ATTORNEY, VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE, VERY RESPONSIVE. I SPEAK VERY HIGHLY OF HIM, VERY POSITIVE OF HIM. AND IF WE VOTE ON THIS RECOMMENDATION, WE'LL TAKE THAT TO THE BOARD. OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR OF HAVING THE BOARD CONSIDER MAKING AN ATTORNEY AVAILABLE TO US AT OUR MEETING, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED, LIKE SIGN? OKAY. CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. ANY OTHER NEW BUSINESS? I JUST SEE ON THE FRONT, DID EVERYBODY GET A. I DID NOT PROVIDE EVERYONE A COPY, BUT YEAH. IF YOU'D WANT TO SHARE THAT OR. OKAY. I CAN PROVIDE COPIES I CAN EMAIL THEM. I GOT A COPY BECAUSE I HAD ASKED IF DOMINION ENERGY HAD NOTIFIED SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY THAT THEY WERE UPDATING THEIR TRANSMISSION LINE THAT RUNS FROM BOYKINS DOWN INTO CAROLINA. AND IT'S JUST A, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DATA CENTERS. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A A STEP IN THE DIRECTION OF, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS TRANSMISSION LINE IS GOING TO SET THE STAGE THAT THEY CAN PUMP UP THE VOLTAGE OR AMPERAGE OR HOWEVER THEY WANT TO REFER TO IT IN THE FUTURE. SO THEY'VE GOT AN OPEN HOUSE. JUNE 25TH FROM 5:30 TO 7:30. AND IT'S IN MURFREESBORO. AND MAYBE JAY CAN FORWARD THAT TO YOU IN YOUR EMAILS AND I, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT MUCH OF THE COUNTY, BUT IT MAY TEACH US SOMETHING OF WHAT TO LOOK FOR WHEN THEY'RE GETTING READY TO UPDATE SOME OTHER POWER LINES. AND I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF, I KNOW IT'S IN MY DISTRICT, BUT, AND ACTUALLY, IT AFFECTS, YOU KNOW, DIRECTLY. SO I'D APPRECIATE IF SOME OF YOU WOULD MAKE IT BECAUSE THERE'S A VAST AMOUNT OF KNOWLEDGE ON THIS BOARD AND EVERYBODY SEES THINGS FROM A DIFFERENT AVENUE. AND IN JUST TALKING TO THEM I'VE LEARNED A LOT FROM THEM. I THINK THE BIDS WERE PUT OUT JUNE I THINK WAS JUNE 1ST, SECOND, THIRD, FOURTH. IT WAS EITHER THE THIRD OR THE FOURTH. AND THEY HAVE TO BE IN LIKE THE 15TH. AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT STARTING IN AUGUST, BUT THEY'VE ALREADY STARTED ON THE OTHER ON THE SOUTHERN END OF IT FROM NUCOR BACK UP TO MURFREESBORO. SO FROM MURFREESBORO, BACK TO BOYKINS IS WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT. AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES THAT'S COME UP. NOTHING BIG ISSUES, BUT IT'S JUST THE PROCESS OF JUMPING THROUGH THE HOOPS TO GET A MAJOR PROJECT LIKE THIS DONE. IT'S NOT THE SAME AS JUST PUTTING UP A LINE GOING TO ICE IS A TRANSMISSION LINE. IT'S PROBABLY MR. MANN IS PROBABLY SEVERAL YEARS IN THE MAKING, YOU WOULD SAY ? IT'S BEEN THREE YEARS IN THE MAKING. THREE YEARS. PROBABLY. YOU KNOW, THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF ENVIRONMENTAL WORK. AND THIS TRANSMISSION LINE, I THINK, WAS PUT UP IN THE EARLY 60S, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT I DON'T KNOW, 50, WHAT, 40, 50, 60 YEAR UPGRADE? AND IT DOES PULL ELECTRICITY OFF THE FACILITY THERE IN BOYKINS THAT PULLS POWER FROM GADSDEN LAKE. AND THAT LARGE POWER LINE RUNS THROUGH THE COUNTY THAT FEEDS THE TIDEWATER AREA. WHEN IT GOES DOWN. 671. THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT. [02:00:03] B UT THEY'VE GOT IT NOW THAT THEY'RE BACK FEEDING STUFF AND THEY TIE IT IN TO THE SOLAR FACILITY IN MURFREESBORO. AND AT ONE TIME, IF THAT TRANSMISSION LINE WENT DEAD, IT AFFECTED A LOT OF THINGS. BUT THEY'VE GOT IT WHERE THAT THEY'RE KEEPING SECTIONS OF THE LINE HOT NOW, SO, WHICH YEARS AGO, I DON'T THINK THEY COULD HAVE DONE THAT. BECAUSE I'VE SEEN THEM CHANGE POLES LEAVING THAT TRANSMISSION LINE ALIVE. AND A LOT OF PRECAUTION. SO I DON'T KNOW, IT JUST. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE EVER HAD A TRANSMISSION LINE OR BIG POWER LINE THAT WAS SENT THROUGH AN UPGRADE INSIDE OF THE COUNTY. AND TERMINOLOGY IS A BIG THING WHEN IT COMES TO DOMINION ENERGY. YEAH. SO. IF YOU COULD FORWARD THAT MEETING DATE TO JAY. COPIES FOR ALL THE OTHER. THANK YOU, MR. RANDOLPH AND MR. MANN FOR THAT COMMENT. ANY OTHER NEW BUSINESS? IF NOT ITEM, NUMBER SEVEN. OUR NEXT MEETING IS THURSDAY, JULY THE 10TH. I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY BEING HERE AT 7 P.M.. NOBODY'S COMING IN 30 MINUTES LATE. VERY GOOD. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION THAT WE ADJOURN. MOTION TO ADJOURN. I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT. EVERYBODY HAVE A SAFE TRIP HOME. SPEAKERS]. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.