IT IS TIME. TWILIGHT TIME. YEAH. WELL. GOOD EVENING.
[1. CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL]
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THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT. GLAD TO HAVE YOU.AND WE HAVE EVERYONE ON THE BOARD IS HERE, PRESENT TONIGHT.
I'M GLAD YOU ALL COULD MAKE THE MEETING. AND NOBODY SEEMS TO HAVE FORGOTTEN WE'VE MOVED OUR MEETING TIME UP TO 7:00, WHICH IS GOOD. THERE'S ANOTHER HABIT WE HAVE TO FORM.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
HEAVENLY FATHER, WE GIVE THANKS FOR THIS THURSDAY EVENING THAT WE CAN COME TOGETHER AS MEMBERS OF THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION TO GO OVER RELATED MATERIALS AND THE BUSINESS OF OUR COUNTY.
LORD, WE'RE THANKFUL TO THE ONES THAT HAVE SHOWN UP TONIGHT.
WE ASK THAT WE HAVE A GOOD MEETING THAT WOULD BE PLEASING TO YOU.
AND WHEN THE MEETING CONCLUDES THAT WE ALL HAVE A SAFE JOURNEY BACK HOME.
LORD, ALL THESE AND ALL THINGS WE ASK IN YOUR SON'S NAME, JESUS CHRIST.
AMEN. AMEN. YOU MAY BE SEATED. AGAIN, I WELCOME EVERYONE HERE TONIGHT.
WE DON'T HAVE AN INTENSE AGENDA TONIGHT, BUT WE DO HAVE A FEW THINGS WE HAVE TO GO OVER.
AND, WELL, THE MINUTES ARE SUCH JUST TO GET READY FOR OUR MEETING NEXT MONTH.
SO THAT BEING SAID EVERYBODY SEEMS TO HAVE THEIR PACKET IN FRONT OF THEM.
[2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
I HOPE YOU'VE HAD TIME TO REVIEW THE MINUTES OF OUR LAST MEETING.I READ THROUGH THEM. I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T CATCH ANYTHING.
IS THERE ANY CORRECTIONS OR ADDITIONS TO THE MINUTES? YES, SIR. YES, SIR. I HAVE A CORRECTION ON THE MINUTES.
OKAY. POINT OF CLARITY ON PAGE 14 I BELIEVE IT IS.
OKAY. AND. RIGHT DOWN THERE IN THE COMMENTS AND THE SECTION WHERE IT SAYS CHAIRMAN DRAKE. AND THEN JUST BELOW THAT, SECRETARY RANDALL.
SHOULDN'T SHOULDN'T IT BE SECRETARY RANDOLPH, MIDDLE OF THE PAGE? YES. RIGHT AFTER THE LIST OF THE VOTE. MR. RANDALL.
WHAT DO YOU THINK? I'M TRYING TO RECALL YEAH. SO YOU HAVE. YEAH, I'VE SEEN IT. IT COULD BE EITHER ONE, I GUESS [INAUDIBLE] SOMETIMES CORRECTS ME AS WELL.
ANYBODY REMEMBER FIRSTHAND? IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT I'M GLAD MR. URQUHART CAUGHT THAT. WOULDN'T YOU HAVE TO CHANGE IT TO VICE CHAIRMAN.
YES, WE WOULD. SO CHANGE THE NAME. WE'VE ALWAYS.
WE'VE ALWAYS HAD A PROOFREADER FROM THE [INAUDIBLE] AREA.
HE'S TAKEN UP THAT TASK. IT'D BE EASIER. THAT'S FINE.
ALL RIGHT. SO I JUST DON'T REMEMBER SO WELL. BUT.
BUT THAT'S FINE. MR. URQUHART, DO YOU HAVE A FEELING ON THAT SINCE YOU CALLED IT? I KNOW YOU'VE GIVEN A LOT MORE THOUGHT. I DIDN'T, I TELL YOU, SIR, I DIDN'T CATCH IT.
BUT THEN YOU HAVE THE SECRETARY. BUT ISN'T MR. RANDOLPH OUR SECRETARY? CORRECT. SO THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.
YES, SIR. SO COULD WE MAKE THAT ONE CHANGE? YES, SIR.
OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? ANYWAYS, ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANYTHING? AND RANDALL AND RANDOLPH ARE CLOSE. YEAH. THEY ARE CLOSE.
HAND, CHANGES FROM MR. RANDALL TO MR. RANDOLPH.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES.
SECOND. OKAY. AND ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
AYE. ANY OPPOSED LIKE SIGN. OKAY. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER THREE IS A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR ANY ANYONE TO COME FORWARD.
ANYBODY LIKE TO DISCUSS ANYTHING THAT PERTAINS TO COUNTY COUNTY BUSINESS, YOU MAY COME FORWARD NOW.
WE JUST ASK FOR YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
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ANY. ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ON THEIR MIND? WE LOVE COMPLIMENTS.WE DON'T LIKE PROBLEMS. BUT WE WILL. WE WILL LISTEN TO PROBLEMS. ANYONE? LAST CHANCE. IF NOT, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
OKAY. WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC HEARINGS SCHEDULED TONIGHT.
ITEM NUMBER FOUR. ITEM NUMBER FIVE. UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
THERE WAS NONE LISTED. DOES ANYBODY ON THE PANEL REMEMBER ANYTHING FROM LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD NOT FINISHED UP DISCUSSING? IF NOT WE'LL GO DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER SIX. NEW BUSINESS.
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AND IF YOU REMEMBER, AT OUR LAST MEETING, WE HAD CHALLENGED SECRETARY RANDOLPH TO COME BACK WITH SOME INFORMATION ON DATA CENTERS.AND I THOUGHT HE PUT A GOOD PACKET TOGETHER FOR US, FOR US TO KIND OF ENLIGHTEN OURSELVES.
I KNEW I KNEW THERE WAS A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION FOR ME, BUT AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO LET MR. RANDOLPH ELABORATE, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE SOME OPEN DISCUSSION.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. AT YOUR MEETING ON FEBRUARY 13TH, LAST MONTH, YOU REQUESTED STAFF TO PUT TOGETHER INFORMATION REGARDING DATA CENTERS FOR YOUR REVIEW. IN 2023 THE JOINT LEGISLATIVE AUDIT AND REVIEW COMMITTEE, JLARC, IS AN INDEPENDENT COMMISSION ESTABLISHED BY THE VIRGINIA GENERAL ASSEMBLY, BEGAN TO STUDY AND DETERMINE THE IMPACTS OF DATA CENTER DEVELOPMENT IN VIRGINIA.
THE STUDY WAS RECENTLY COMPLETED IN 2024. I HAVE ATTACHED THE JLARC SUMMARY IN YOUR PACKETS, AS WELL AS THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION THAT WAS MADE TO THE COMMISSION REGARDING A LOT OF VALUABLE INFORMATION ABOUT DATA CENTERS IN VIRGINIA. MORE ON A LOCAL NOTE OUR SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE, ARTICLE 11 INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT LIMITED M-1 SECTION 18-232 PROVIDES FOR DATA CENTER PROCESSING AS A PERMITTED USE.
IN REVIEWING OUR ORDINANCE THIS TYPE OF USE MUST BE IN AN M1 DISTRICT OF AT LEAST 30 ACRES, AND IS INCLUDED IN THE RETAIL AND SERVICE COMPONENT, PRIMARILY FOR THE USE AND CONVENIENCE OF EMPLOYEES IN THE DISTRICT.
THIS INFORMATION ON OUR LOCAL ZONING ORDINANCE IS BEING PROVIDED TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION NECESSARY FOR DATA CENTER DEVELOPMENT, AND WHAT REVISIONS, LONG TERM OR SHORT TERM, THAT WE MAY LOOK TO ENACT IN OUR LOCAL ORDINANCES.
IN KIND OF REVIEWING OUR LOCAL SECTION HERE, IT CLEARLY STATES RETAIL AND SERVICE ESTABLISHMENTS AS FOLLOWS IN AN M-1 DISTRICT OF 30 ACRES OR MORE, PRIMARILY FOR THE USE AND CONVENIENCE OF EMPLOYEES IN THE DISTRICT, AND IT GOES ON AUTOMOBILE SERVICE, STATION BANKS AND SAVINGS AND LOANS, CENTRAL MAILING FACILITY CLINICS, MEDICAL DATA PROCESSING CENTERS. SO CERTAINLY WHEN THIS ORDINANCE WAS PUT IN PLACE, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN APPROXIMATELY THE EARLY 1990S.
BUT IT CLEARLY STATES DATA PROCESSING CENTER.
SO I'M NOT SURE, BACK IN THE EARLY 90S WHEN WHEN THE LAST MAJOR REWRITE OF YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, IF THAT PERTAINED TO MAYBE, YOU KNOW, A FAX CENTERS, YOU KNOW, FAX MACHINES WERE KIND OF MORE HIGH TECH BACK THEN AS TO WHY THAT WOULD FALL UNDER, KIND OF THAT RETAIL AND SERVICE COMPONENT IN THE M-1 DISTRICT.
BUT WITH ALL THAT ASIDE, IT DOES CLEARLY STATE THAT, YOU KNOW, A DATA PROCESSING CENTER IS A PERMITTED USE IN THE M-1 AS LONG AS YOU HAVE THE 30 ACRE SIZE OF THE M-1 DISTRICT. SO JUST A POINT ON THAT.
AS WITH ANY POTENTIAL INDUSTRIAL APPLICATIONS, DATA CENTERS MAY PRESENT SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES DEPENDING ON THE SIZE AND SCOPE OF THE PROPOSAL. WE ALL LOOK AT DATA CENTERS AS BEING, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MEGA BUILDINGS WITH RACKS OF SERVERS AND SO FORTH.
AND THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE USED IN MAYBE AN URBAN SETTING ON TOP OF A OFFICE BUILDING OR A ROOFTOP SOMEWHERE TO MEET THE NEEDS OF WHATEVER THE DATA PROCESSING IS FOR THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING OR SO FORTH.
BUT THEY KIND OF TAKE A LOT OF DIFFERENT SHAPES AND SIZES.
BUT OVERALL, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CHALLENGES OF INDUSTRIAL APPLICATIONS, WE ALWAYS LOOK AT THE UTILITIES, WATER, SEWER, ELECTRICITY, ACCESS TO FIBER OPTIC INFRASTRUCTURE, IN THIS CASE, THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACTS,
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ANY IMPACTS ON EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, THE STORAGE OF HAZARDOUS OR FLAMMABLE MATERIALS, THE NOISE THAT CAN BE GENERATED FROM LARGE SCALE INDUSTRIAL APPLICATIONS, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, LIGHTING, ESTHETICS.AND ADDITIONALLY, WE ALWAYS TRY TO LOOK AT THE IMPACTS ON ANY NEARBY RESIDENTIAL USES.
AND ANY OF THOSE IMPACTS SHOULD BE MITIGATED EITHER WITH PROFFERS YOU KNOW, OFFERED BY THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY OR THROUGH ORDINANCES THAT STATE MAYBE GREATER SETBACKS OR BUFFERS WHEN YOU HAVE SOME RESIDENTIAL USES NEARBY.
BUT I HOPE YOU FIND THIS INFORMATION VALUABLE, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO PROVIDING THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITH ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT YOU MAY REQUEST. THANK YOU, MR. RANDOLPH.
SO I HOPE EVERYBODY HAS HAD A CHANCE TO READ THROUGH.
IT WAS QUITE INTENSIVE. THE SURVEY THAT THEY DID AND THE FINDINGS BY REPLICABLE ORGANIZATION. SO SHOULD BE UNBIASED, BUT I [INAUDIBLE] OPEN THE FLOOR FOR ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT OR WHAT DID YOU FIND INTERESTING OR DID SUPPORT AND THEN THE CONCERNS.
AT SOME POINT WE MAY BE CONFRONTED [INAUDIBLE] GO AHEAD.
RIGHT NOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE STATS AND VIRGINIA IS THE DATA CENTER OF THE WORLD.
WE HAVE MORE STUFF HERE AND ALL THE OTHER COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD PUT TOGETHER.
THAT WAS INTERESTING, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. I READ THE REPORT.
IS THAT CORRECT? HAVE THEY ADDRESSED THIS, THIS STUDY YET? I DO NOT HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THAT AS TO. I'M WONDERING IF THEY CAME TO ANY CONCLUSIONS BASED ON THIS STUDY THAT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS WELL. WHAT WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE ON DATA CENTERS IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA, MORE MORE DATA CENTERS? I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT IS A GOOD POINT. I'M SURE WE ALL SAW IT.
I WAS AMAZED. THERE ARE IT'S A HIGHER PERCENTAGE THEY'RE MOSTLY CONCENTRATED IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA, BUT THEY ALSO ACROSS THE STATE. SMALLER ONES.
IT SEEMS LIKE THE BIGGER THE BIGGER COMPLEXES THEY KNOW, WHAT WITH THE FIVE DIFFERENT THREE OF THE FIVE DIFFERENT COUNTIES THAT WERE CONCENTRATED IN THE DATA CENTERS IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA. THE THE MOST RECENT THAT I'VE SEEN, PITTSYLVANIA COUNTY, WHICH IS THE LARGEST COUNTY IN THE STATE THAT NINE, A LITTLE OVER 900MI², HAS ONE IN PROGRESS NOW, WHICH IS 2,200 ACRES. WELL, I DID READ THE WHOLE THING, AND I TOOK NOTES.
WOULD YOU BELIEVE THAT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR ME, RIGHT? OKAY. I DID HAVE A, YOU KNOW, KNOWING THAT WE ARE NOT IN MY MIND AT THIS POINT, A SITE WHERE A MEGA CENTER WOULD BE LOCATED. BUT WE ARE CLOSE ENOUGH TO HAMPTON ROADS THAT WE COULD BE A SITE FOR A SMALLER CENTER. THE ONLY ISSUES AND IN READING THROUGH THIS IS THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT JUST I'M NOT SURE WHERE THESE THINGS LIE, LIKE THE LOCATION OF TRANSMISSION, TRANSMISSION LINES.
ALSO, IT NEEDS WATER. AND OF COURSE, WE PROTECT OUR RIVERS THERE, THE SCENIC RIVERS.
BUT THERE IS A PIPELINE THAT COMES OUT OF LAKE GASTON, AND WOULD THAT BE SOME SORT OF SOURCE FOR WATER? I'M ALSO ALWAYS PROTECTIVE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND WHERE THERE IS A HUM A NOISE ISSUE WITH THESE FACILITIES. SO WHERE IN OUR COUNTY, IDENTIFIABLE AREAS WHERE A CENTER COULD BE LOCATED ON A SMALL SCALE BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE NEAR THESE TRANSMISSION LINES, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AWAY FROM HEAVILY POPULATED OR RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND IT WOULD HAVE TO BE NEAR SOME WATER.
SO I THINK THAT LOOKING AT OUR ZONING REGULATIONS, WE SHOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT JUST REVISIT OUR SOUND ORDINANCE. LOOK AT OUR INDUSTRIAL AREAS, BECAUSE THIS IS CONSIDERED TO BE AN INDUSTRIAL PROJECT.
AND AND ALSO LOOK AT WHAT WOULD BE THE CHALLENGES TO OUR ELECTRIC CO-OPS BECAUSE OUR ELECTRICITY
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IN THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNTY IS FROM A CO-OP CONNECTED TO DOMINION ENERGY, BUT STILL, THERE'S A THAT WOULD BE A VULNERABILITY, VULNERABILITY FOR OUR COUNTY.IT HAS A LARGE WATER SOURCE. SO AND THAT WATER IS USED FOR COOLING THESE CENTERS.
SO THEY ARE, I GUESS, MAYBE A LARGER CENTER. BUT I CAN'T SEE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY HAVING SOMETHING ON THAT SCALE JUST YET, MAYBE 20 YEARS FROM NOW. AND SO, SINCE WE'RE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE AND WHERE THINGS ARE GOING.
SO THAT THAT DATA CENTER YOU BROUGHT IT UP IN IN MECKLENBURG COUNTY HAS BUILT A COUPLE OF NEW SCHOOLS FOR THEM IN TAX REVENUES OFF THESE THINGS ARE TREMENDOUS. AND YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, MOST OF THEM ARE IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THIS THERE'S A LITTLE CONFERENCE OTTO WAXMAN OR REPRESENTATIVE TUESDAY NIGHT WITH THE REPUBLICAN MEETING, AND IT SEEMS LIKE NORTHERN VIRGINIA SAYS WE'VE HAD ENOUGH OF THESE.
PUT THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY.
THEY TAKE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF ELECTRICITY AND A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WATER.
SO, I MEAN, IT'S IT CAN BE A BOON TO YOUR COUNTY.
MECKLENBURG, I THINK, HAS BUILT 1 OR 1 NEW SCHOOL AND IS IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDING ANOTHER ONE.
SO WE SEE SURRY COUNTY, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVED.
BUT THEN THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH THE DEVELOPER.
SO IF YOU PULLED UP THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLES THAT CAME OUT ABOUT THAT, THAT BECAUSE THEY HAVE A NUCLEAR PLANT THERE, BUT THEY PLAN TO USE SMALLER SOURCES OF POWER.
THE THE KINDS OF NUCLEAR, NUCLEAR FACILITIES THAT ARE IN SUBMARINES OR LARGE SHIPS. SO IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT. AND THAT'S WHY I WONDERED OUT OF THIS AND YOU MENTIONED SMALLER CENTERS.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WOULD BEGIN TO LOOK AT SOUTHAMPTON FOR A SMALLER FACILITY? AND KNOWING THAT THE REVENUE, BECAUSE IT ADDRESSES THIS DOCUMENT, ADDRESSES THE REVENUE THAT COMES INTO THE COUNTY.
I MEAN, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY SURRY HAS SAID YES.
AND ARE THEY GOING TO LOOK AT SOUTHAMPTON OR SUSSEX OR ALL OF THESE OTHER COUNTIES SURROUNDING? ARE WE NEXT? IF I MAY ADDRESS THAT. YES. MR. CHAIRMAN.
YEAH. THIS RECENTLY JUST CAME OUT IN THE SMITHFIELD TIMES.
THE DEVELOPER OF THE SURRY DATA CENTER PROJECT ENTERS CHAPTER 11 BANKRUPTCY.
THIS WAS A PROJECT A LITTLE OVER, I GUESS MAYBE A YEAR OR POSSIBLY LONGER TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 600 ACRES FOR A TECHNOLOGY ZONING DISTRICT TO CONSTRUCT CONSTRUCT 19 DATA CENTERS SPREAD ACROSS ABOUT 3,000,000 SQUARE FOOT CAMPUS.
BUT AS OF JUST RECENTLY, THE COMPANY DOING THAT IS IN CHAPTER 11 BANKRUPTCY WITH THIS REORGANIZATION, REORGANIZING, NOT LIQUIDATING THE THINGS. SO YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL WHEN DEVELOPERS, YOU KNOW, PROMISE YOU THE WORLD AS TO WHAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY DELIVER.
YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO GO THROUGH A ZONING PROCESS APPROVAL.
AND CERTAINLY A DEVELOPER IS GOING TO PUT THE BEST SPIN ON IT AS THIS IS THE BEST THING EVER, AND SO FORTH. AND AND WE'VE SEEN THAT WITH EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT WAS CELL TOWERS AT FIRST OR, YOU KNOW, WITH SOLAR DEVELOPMENT AND, AND NOW ON TO DATA CENTERS AND SO FORTH.
AND TO REALLY LOOK BEYOND THE POTENTIAL REVENUE DOLLARS FROM TAXES OR THINGS, BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT MATERIALIZE OR THEY MAY ONLY MATERIALIZE, YOU KNOW, YEARS LATER WHEN THE PROJECT'S ACTUALLY COMPLETE AND GENERATING SUBSTANTIAL REAL ESTATE TAXES AND SO FORTH FOR THE LOCALITIES.
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THERE WAS A NOTE ABOUT SURRY, TOO, IN THE PROFFERS.THINGS LIKE IMPROVEMENT ON A ON A ROAD LEADING TO THE FACILITY, AND THEY DID NOT THEY FELT THAT THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH MONEY SET ASIDE TO TO PREPARE THAT PARTICULAR STRETCH OF THE ROAD IMPROVEMENT.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD REQUIRE SOME STRAIGHTENING AND SOME SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ROADWAY TO HANDLE NOT ONLY THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE ACTUAL DAY TO DAY TRAFFIC, PHYSICAL TRAFFIC FOR VEHICLES, YOU KNOW, ENTERING THE SITE AND SO FORTH.
AND THERE WERE GOOD PROMISES FOR EMPLOYMENT. BUT IT'S ONCE THE CONSTRUCTION IS OVER, A LOT OF THAT EMPLOYMENT GOES AWAY. AND IT'S A SMALLER GROUPING OF PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY OPERATE THE FACILITY.
NOW, APPARENTLY THEY ARE WELL PAID POSITIONS.
SO IT'S LIKE IT'S IT'S NOT THE JOBS, IT'S THE EQUIPMENT TAX.
SOME OF THESE AVERAGING $25 MILLION TAX IN THE FIRST YEAR.
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED IN MECKLENBURG SO THEY'RE BUILDING TWO SCHOOLS.
SO I MEAN IT'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TAX MONEY.
IT'S VERY LUCRATIVE. AND THAT'S WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY LOOKING AT THE PHYSICAL IMPACTS AND THE NEIGHBORING IMPACTS, BUT THE ECONOMIC IMPACTS ARE CERTAINLY PART OF THAT COMPONENT AS WELL.
IS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. GROUP LOOKING AT DATA CENTERS, DO YOU KNOW IF THERE IS A PUSH TO TO GET ONE HERE? YES, YES, THERE THERE CERTAINLY ARE SEVERAL THAT MAY BE OUT ON THE HORIZON.
THE COUNTY, SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY OWNS SEVERAL HUNDRED ACRES OVER ON ROSE VALLEY ROAD.
THE BEALE FARM PROPERTY WHICH THEY PURCHASED IN ARE DEVELOPING INTO MAKING IT MORE OF A SHOVEL READY OR READY TO GO SITE FOR INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT. PART OF MAKING THAT PROJECT A COUNTY OWNED PROJECT MORE SHOVEL READY, THEY RECEIVED, THE COUNTY RECEIVED A TWO OVER A $200,000 GRANT FROM THE STATE TO START ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ASSESSMENTS AND REALLY MAKING IT FROM A, I BELIEVE, A TIER TWO MARKETABILITY UP TO A TIER FOUR, WHICH GETS IT ALMOST READY TO BE DEVELOPED, YOU KNOW, FOR SALE TO A POTENTIAL DEVELOPER. AND THE COUNTY WOULD BE LOOKING AT INDUSTRIAL USES, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL WAREHOUSES FOR TRUCKS.
BUT A DATA CENTER USE COULD BE A POTENTIAL USE ON THAT PROPERTY AS WELL.
IT IS CLOSE TO THE HIGH TRANSMISSION LINES THAT ARE GENERATED FROM THE DOMINION POWER PLANT BIOMASS PLANT THAT'S IN VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY, BUT DEPENDING ON THE POWER USAGE, YOU KNOW THAT POWER HAS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE, AND WHETHER IT COMES FROM LOCALLY GENERATED SOURCES OR IT'S IMPORTED YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY WHEN I LOOK AT THE TRANSMISSION LINES THAT ARE OUT THERE NOW, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD PROBABLY BE NEEDING MUCH HIGHER TOWERS AND MUCH BIGGER LINES TO BRING IN THE AMOUNT OF ELECTRICITY NEEDED TO, TO FUND A LARGER SCALE THING. BUT YES, THE COUNTY IS CERTAINLY LOOKING AT THAT.
AND THERE'S BEEN INTEREST ACROSS OTHER AREAS IN HAMPTON ROADS AS WELL.
SO THEY'RE LOOKING FOR OTHER SITES IN VIRGINIA THAT ARE CLOSE TO, YOU KNOW, THE BIG CUSTOMERS THAT WOULD NEED THE SERVICES AMAZON WEB SERVICES, GOOGLE AND SO FORTH. ONCE AGAIN, OUR AGRICULTURAL LAND IS LOOKING ATTRACTIVE BECAUSE IT STATES IN HERE THAT THEY WANT FLAT LAND, FLAT, OPEN LAND. AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE ARE PROTECTIVE.
WE WANT DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE WANT TO BE PROTECTIVE, TOO, OF OUR AGRICULTURAL LANDS.
I WONDER IF SOME OF THIS GOES HAND IN HAND WITH, WAS IT THE GENTLEMAN FROM FAIRFAX COUNTY WHO WANTED TO TRY TO CIRCUMVENT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND PUTTING SOLAR IN THE RURAL COMMUNITIES? IS THAT CORRECT? WAS THAT LAST YEAR HE BROUGHT THAT UP? IT WAS, YES. AND THEN I'M LOOKING AT HERE, FOR EXAMPLE, NEW SOLAR FACILITIES WOULD HAVE TO BE ADDED AT TWICE THE ANNUAL RATE THEY WERE IN 2024.
I WONDER IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT TO GO ALONG WITH THIS.
AND I SURE WOULD HATE TO SEE THAT FOR THIS COUNTY.
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AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY TALK ABOUT WIND AS WELL, HAVING MORE WIND.WHAT WOULD THAT DO TO THE AVERAGE HOMEOWNER'S ELECTRIC COST AS WELL? WOULD THEY BE AFFECTED ADVERSELY? WELL, WHAT I HAD BEEN READING IN THIS PACKAGE AND THEN ALSO DOING SOME BACKGROUND BECAUSE THERE'S THE CURRENT CHATTER IN THE SYSTEM ABOUT CRYPTOCURRENCY AND WHATEVER LIKE THAT.
AND THAT'S A VERY DATA CENTER, HEAVY USAGE AND EVERYTHING.
AND IT WAS SAYING THAT WITH THE AMOUNT OF POWER THAT THESE DATA CENTERS USE, THAT CERTAIN AREAS WOULD HAVE TO HAVE GREAT INFRASTRUCTURE TO HANDLE THE CAPACITY OF THAT ELECTRICAL LOAD.
AND AS YOU ALSO SAY, IN THE WATER FOR THE COOLING OF THOSE CENTERS.
AND AT THE SAME TIME, SOMEWHERE IN ONE OF THOSE STUDIES, IT WAS SAYING THE DIRECT IMPACT TO THE CITIZENS WAS BECAUSE OF THE INVESTMENT IN THE ELECTRICAL GRID THAT IT WOULD ACTUALLY COST THE CITIZEN ANYWHERE FROM 75 TO $100 INCREASE IN THEIR ELECTRICAL BILL.
SO IT WILL IT WOULD HAVE A DIRECT IMPACT ON YOUR CITIZENS, NO MATTER WHAT THEY PROFFER.
THAT'S CORRECT. THE ELECTRICITY HAS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE, WHETHER IT'S SELF-GENERATED THROUGH SOLAR, WHETHER IT'S DOMINION'S WIND PROJECT OFF THE COAST OF VIRGINIA BEACH, WHETHER IT'S IMPORTED FROM OUT-OF-STATE INTO VIRGINIA, YOU KNOW THAT ELECTRICITY HAS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE TO MAKE IT WORK.
SO AS A COST INFRASTRUCTURE THING, YOU WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM A LOGICAL STANDPOINT, YOU WOULD WANT TO BASE YOUR DATA CENTER SOMEWHERE NEAR WHERE YOU HAVE AN EXISTING INDUSTRIAL PARK, WHICH IS ALREADY SET UP FOR THAT KIND OF UTILITY LOAD AND INFRASTRUCTURE ALREADY EXISTING. BECAUSE THE MORE YOU GET AWAY FROM THEM, THE MORE YOUR COSTS GO THROUGH THE CEILING TO ESTABLISH IT.
WELL, THE REPORT WAS AN INTERESTING READ. IT DID COVER ALL OF THESE VARIOUS TOPICS.
AND YOU KNOW, MR. RANDOLPH, ARE THERE AREAS IN OUR PLANNING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT AND BE PREPARED TO MAKE CHANGES OR IMPROVEMENTS OR.
AND, YOU KNOW, OUR BUFFERS AND REQUIREMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT CERTAINLY SHOULD PROBABLY BE LOOKED AT IN ANY OTHER COMPREHENSIVE VIEW, INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER IT'S DATA CENTERS OR WHETHER IT'S A MANUFACTURING FACILITY OR OTHER.
WE DON'T HAVE MANY M-1 DISTRICTS THAT ARE OVER 30 ACRES.
SO I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S MOST OF OUR M-1 IN REMEMBERING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ARE NO MORE THAN FIVE. I'M JUST SPEAKING GENERALLY I DON'T THINK THAT WITHOUT A REZONING TO ADD ACREAGE, I THINK THERE WOULD BE VERY FEW LOCATIONS THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO JUST BUY IN ONE AREA AND BE APPROVED AUTOMATICALLY.
AM I WRONG ON THAT MR. RANDALL? GENERALLY, I THINK THERE REALLY AREN'T ANY SUPER LARGE SCALE CURRENTLY ZONED M-1 DISTRICTS WITH THAT, WE HAVE OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHICH IDENTIFIES MULTIPLE AREAS IN THE COUNTY FOR POTENTIAL INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT.
BUT ALL MOST OF THOSE WOULD STILL HAVE TO COME THROUGH A REZONING PROCESS.
AND THAT OPENS THE POSSIBILITY FOR PROFFERS. ABSENT PROFFERS YOU KNOW, IF A PROJECT WAS OR A ZONING CHANGE WAS MADE, SITE DEVELOPMENT WOULD JUST HAVE TO MEET THE MINIMUM SITE REQUIREMENTS OF OUR SITE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, WHICH ARE NOT REALLY OVERLY STRICT OR REALLY GEARED TOWARDS A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT THAT MAY COME UP, WHETHER IT'S A MANUFACTURING FACILITY OR WHETHER IT'S A DATA CENTER OR OTHER HEAVY, LARGE SCALE INDUSTRIAL USE.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE SIMPLY HAVE NOT HAD, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THOSE REQUESTS.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO SPRING UP TOMORROW.
AND MECKLENBURG AND I'M ONE OF MY FRIENDS IS A LAWYER THAT'S ON THEIR BOARD IS I BELIEVE THAT THEY KIND OF MARKETED WITH THEIR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AT THEIR INDUSTRIAL PARK.
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AND I JUST GOT BITS AND PIECES OF THAT. BUT I THINK THAT THEY GOT NUMEROUS GRANTS OR A LOT OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THAT. AND I DON'T REMEMBER BECAUSE I AND THIS IS MY RECOLLECTION I DON'T THINK THE LAKE HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T GO FOR THE WATER SOURCE.OKAY. THERE WAS AN ALTERNATIVE SOURCE WITH THE EPA.
YOU CAN'T JUST KIND OF START PULLING WHAT I MEAN.
AND LIKE DR. EDWARDS SAID, I THINK IT WAS MORE OF A TEN YEAR PROCESS WITH THEM.
AND THEY HAD THE INDUSTRIAL PARK OR THE AREA AND IT WAS MARKETED.
AND THEN THAT WAS THE KIND OF THE CATCH IS WE HAVE EVERYTHING READY FOR YOU.
AND THEN THEY RECEIVED AND I THINK THAT THAT AREA WAS STARVING FOR AN ECONOMIC, YOU KNOW, SINCE THE TOBACCO UPTICK, THAT AREA HAD SIGNIFICANTLY HAD A DOWNTURN ECONOMICALLY.
AND THIS WAS AN ANSWER FOR, FOR SOME TAX REVENUE.
VIRGINIA BEACH. THAT'S RIGHT. RIGHT. YEAH. THEY'RE VERY STINGY ABOUT THAT.
SO THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER THING. SO WATER AND ELECTRICITY.
THE PITTSYLVANIA PROPERTY, THE 22 ACRES, THAT IS LIKE A REGIONALLY OWNED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY THAT'S BEEN DEVELOPING THAT PARK FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. AND SIMILAR TO, YOU KNOW, BEING SOUTH SIDE ECONOMICS IN VIRGINIA, THAT AREA HAS BEEN LOOKING TO TRY TO DEVELOP THAT SITE OR MAKE IT SHOVEL READY AND GET A PROJECT IN THERE FOR FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
BUT BUT AGAIN, IT'S MORE OF A REGIONALLY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECT TO TRY TO ATTRACT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT BE DATA CENTERS OR OTHER INDUSTRIAL USES FOR THAT PROPERTY OUT IN PITTSYLVANIA COUNTY.
SO THE LIKELIHOOD OF A DATA CENTER COMING TO SOUTHAMPTON RIGHT NOW, OR EVEN IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS IS PRETTY SLIM. WELL, I WOULDN'T SAY PRETTY SLIM.
CERTAINLY THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST SHOULD AN APPLICATION COME FORWARD.
OBVIOUSLY, IT HAS TO GO THROUGH A REZONING PROCESS, BUT THE LIKELIHOOD OF SOMETHING ACTUALLY BEING DEVELOPED AND BUILT THAT'S THAT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE LONGER OUT OR MORE IN LINE TO THAT FIVE PLUS YEAR WINDOW, BECAUSE THERE'S CERTAINLY A LOT OF HURDLES THAT HAVE TO BE DONE AND GO THROUGH AFTER YOU GET THE ZONING APPROVAL FROM YOUR LOCALITY AND SO FORTH.
BUT CURRENTLY, IS THERE IS THERE MORE THAN TWO MAJOR POWER TRANSMISSION LINES IN THE COUNTY? I KNOW IT'S ONE IN OUR AREA. IT'S ONE THERE ADJACENT TO 671.
IS THERE IS THERE A THIRD ONE. ANYBODY KNOW OF A THIRD ONE.
WELL THEY OWN TWO. THEY OWN TWO. I KNOW, BUT THEY MENTIONED IN THE REPORT THAT REALLY TO SEE WHAT THE CAPACITY CURRENT IS, THE CURRENT CAPACITY OF THE TRANSMISSION LINES BEFORE YOU GET TOO IN DEPTH.
NOW, I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IF A CENTER WAS BUILT THAT THE POWER COMPANY HAS TO PROVIDE POWER. IS THAT, DID I READ THAT CORRECTLY? THAT'S WHAT WAS IN THE REPORT. THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THE INVESTMENT.
BUT THE STUDY SUGGESTED TO CONTACT I GUESS THAT WOULD BE, IS THAT DOMINION? IS THAT DOMINION? THAT WOULD BE DOMINION . TO SEE WHAT THE AND NOT ONLY CURRENT, BUT THEY WERE SAYING LIKE 20, 25 YEARS OUT TO, TO ALLOW FOR OTHER TYPES OF GROWTH BECAUSE PUTTING IN A, A LARGER TRANSMISSION LINE OR AN ADDITIONAL PARALLEL LINE COULD TAKE MANY, MANY YEARS TO NEGOTIATE RIGHT OF WAYS AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
THE SURVEYS ALL YOU KNOW, THAT'S A THAT'S A LONG TERM TO DO A PIPELINE OR A TRANSMISSION LINE.
BUT IT DID IT DID SUGGEST TO LOOK AT WHAT THE GRID COULD SUPPORT AND NOT AFFECT NORMAL GROWTH.
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AND I'M THINKING 40 ACRES. BUT THE PROBLEM THAT I SEE, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T, WE GET A GRANT TO PUT A WELL IN OR SOMETHING, RIGHT. A WELL AIN'T GON SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.I MEAN, YOU YOU'RE GOING TO NEED SOME WATER. I MEAN, YOU'RE GOING TO THERE'S THERE'S NO WAY THAT THERE'S BEEN A DATA CENTER WITH A WELL THAT I'VE HEARD OF. I MEAN, THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, DIRECT LINES OF, I THINK WHAT'S THE I DON'T MEAN TO INTERJECT, BUT IF I DON'T, I FORGET MY THOUGHT. WHAT I WAS SURPRISED IS THEY DON'T RECIRCULATE THE WATER LIKE THE WATER IS DISPOSED OF IT COMES IN COOL, BUT THEN IT MAY BE WARMED. COOLED OFF SOMEWHAT, BUT IT'S NOT RECIRCULATED.
DID Y'ALL. DID YOU DID YOU PICK UP ON THAT? THAT'S WHAT IT SOUNDED LIKE.
YEAH. IT DOESN'T USE A LOT OF WATER, BUT THE WATER IS DISCHARGED.
DISCHARGED INTO A STREAM OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW.
AND YOU KNOW, THAT WENT BACK TO ONE OF THOSE POINTS ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ABOUT POLLUTANTS.
THAT'S CORRECT. SO THERE'S ALL OF THE I COULDN'T IMAGINE WHAT THAT STORMWATER PLAN WOULD LOOK LIKE.
I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE A HECK OF A STUDY THAT WOULD BE VERY COSTLY.
SO YOU KNOW, THAT'S STILL IN LIMBO THERE. AND THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR FOUR YEARS.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE, SHE SAYS, A MEAGER SIZE, SMALL TO MEDIUM THAT WOULD FIT OUR AREA AND WOULD BE A BOON. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PROBABLY SOMETHING MEDIUM SIZE, SMALL TO MEDIUM, WOULD PAY ALMOST AS HALF AS MUCH TAX AS WE'RE GETTING RIGHT NOW, SO.
YOUR DATA CENTER, AS FAR AS IT IS COOLING CAPACITY, WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A FACILITY SET UP SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU HAVE FOR YOUR NUCLEAR POWER PLANT BECAUSE THEY THEY USE THE WATER RECIRCULATION, COOLING.
SO WHAT THEY WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO DO, TOO, IS PUT IN A SMALL LAKE TO ACTUALLY RECIRCULATE WHAT'S GOING THROUGH THERE, HAVE IT AIR POOL ENVIRONMENTALLY, BUT ALSO REUSE THAT WATER BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE A STEP DOWN IN THE SYSTEM BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T BE RUNNING LIKE HIGH REFRIGERANT RATE COOLING WATER THROUGH THE SYSTEM, AND IT WOULDN'T BE AT THE CAPACITY LIKE YOU HAVE AT A NUCLEAR POWER PLANT WHERE YOU'RE RUNNING YOUR COOLING WATER ON THE LEVELS OF EIGHT AND 900 DEGREES OR MORE, EVEN THOUGH YOUR SECONDARY ACTUAL COOLING, YOUR SODIUM IS RUNNING UP THERE ALMOST AT 2,000 DEGREES.
AND THAT JUST COMES FROM MY BACKGROUND OF WORKING IN NUCLEAR.
RIGHT. WELL, THE OTHER CONCERN WAS IF, IF WHEN THEY'RE BUILDING ANY ADDITIONAL CAPACITY, A LOT OF THOSE COSTS TRICKLE DOWN TO THE AVERAGE CUSTOMER. YOU KNOW, IT'S PASSED ON.
YEAH. AND SO THAT'S THAT APPEARS TO BE ONE OF THE ISSUES, TOO, IS, IS HOW MUCH OF THE COST FOR BUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE GETS PASSED ON TO ME, YOU. THAT WAS WHY I WAS STAYING IN THAT PARTICULAR ITEM THAT I WAS READING IN THAT BACKGROUND RESEARCH. ANOTHER THING, THEY WERE ACTUALLY STATING THE COST SHARE WITH THE AVERAGE CUSTOMER TO THE GRID WOULD BE ANYWHERE FROM 75 TO $100 A MONTH. THAT WAS A DEFINITE COST ESTIMATE BECAUSE OF THE WHATEVER COST, INVESTMENT COSTS, AND EVERYTHING AND MAINTENANCE COSTS THAT WAS LEFT OVER FROM EVEN WHAT THE DATA CENTER WAS PAYING OUT OF POCKET FOR THE POWER THAT THEY WERE USING.
AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT COSTS DOMINION TO BUILD, LIKE, SAY, A NEW NATURAL GAS ELECTRICITY GENERATION PLANT, BUT I'M SURE IT'S OBVIOUSLY SUBSTANTIAL. AND THOSE PASSED THOSE COSTS DO GET DISPERSED OUT TO THE THE END USERS, THE CUSTOMERS. AND YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK THROUGH THE STUDY, YOU SEE WITH THE EXPECTED POWER DEMAND OR POWER CONSUMPTION DEMAND WITH DATA
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CENTERS AND SO FORTH. AS YOU HAD POINTED OUT, MR. DAY, REGARDING TWICE THE AMOUNT OF SOLAR DEVELOPMENT, AND IT WOULD ALSO REQUIRE BUILDING MANY, MANY MORE POWER GENERATION PLANTS, PRIMARILY NATURAL GAS.THERE'S A GOOD EXAMPLE THAT YOU HAVE IS EVEN WHEN NORTH ANNA DOES A REFUELING, YOU GET ANYWHERE FROM A 3 TO 7 YEAR COST INCREASE IN YOUR ELECTRIC BILL JUST FROM THAT REFUELING OPERATION.
AND THEN THE STATE WILL SOMETIMES MANDATE THAT IF THEY SEE ANY COST RECOVERY OR PROFITS ON THAT, THAT IT GOES BACK AS A REDUCTION IN YOUR ELECTRIC BILL AS A CREDIT.
WHEN DO WE GET THAT COST RECOVERY? I'M STILL LOOKING FOR THAT ONE.
WELL, IT'S IN THERE, BUT THEN IT'S BEEN. HEY, I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT ONE, WAS BEING EATEN UP BY YOUR.
WHAT WAS THAT POWER LINE SHARING COST BECAUSE BASICALLY THEY MAY GENERATE POWER IN NORTH ANNA.
BUT YOU WILL ACTUALLY, THROUGH THE MAGIC OF THE GRID, BE RECEIVING YOUR POWER FROM NEVADA.
IT'S JUST THAT YOU'RE BASICALLY PAYING THE COMMODITIES MARKET ON YOUR ELECTRICITY.
ACCORDING TO THE LATEST UPDATE ON THE PITTSYLVANIA COUNTY THING, THEY STARTED OFF AT 2,200 ACRES, WHICH THEY TURNED DOWN, AND NOW THEY'RE COMING BACK WITH A 750 ACRE PLAN THAT'S STILL IN LIMBO AS OF FEBRUARY, ACCORDING TO THIS, SO. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I THINK THE DISCUSSION IS GREAT.
WE'VE COVERED A LOT OF DIFFERENT ANGLES. THERE ARE CONCERNS BUT ALSO WOULD BE GREAT TAX BASE.
SO WE HAD TO WEIGH OUT AND BE CAREFUL HOW WE PROCEED.
AND I THINK THE LAST MEETING, I THINK WE CONVEYED THAT WE DIDN'T WE DIDN'T WANT TO GET AHEAD OF US.
WE WANT TO BE AHEAD OF IT AND FIND THOSE LOCATIONS AND POSSIBILITIES.
THE MAGNITUDE OF THE SIZE, YOU KNOW, AND WHAT I'M HEARING TONIGHT, MAYBE A SMALL TO MEDIUM.
AND LIKE I SAID, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK INTO WHAT KIND OF POWER DO WE HAVE AVAILABLE.
AND WHAT IT WOULD TAKE IF IT NEEDED TO BE AN UPTICK IN THAT, WHAT'S THAT GOING TO ENTAIL? AND THEN THE WATER, YOU KNOW, WHY DOES THE EXCESS DOES IT STAY IN A LAKE, A HOLDING POND? IT DIDN'T REALLY WHEN I READ IT WAS USING NEW WATER, WHETHER IT'S A UTILITY OR A WHALE.
AND I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT USED SO MUCH WATER.
IT WAS UNBELIEVABLE. AND THE CURRENT THAT IT USES WAS FURNISHED TO A SMALL CITY.
I MEAN, IT USES A LOT OF ELECTRICITY AS WELL, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT THOSE PARAMETERS ARE NOT NOT IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT.
TONIGHT WAS JUST PURELY WHAT WE'RE DOING HAVE AN OPEN DISCUSSION LIKE [INAUDIBLE] GOT SOME GOOD INFORMATION AND THE WATER PROCESSING PLANT. OKAY. WAS IT EVER CONTEMPLATED? WAS IT PRIMARILY FOR RESIDENTIAL? BUT WAS SOMETHING LIKE THIS EVER CONTEMPLATED TO RUN IT THE WATER PROCESSING PLANT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO ROSE VALLEY? YOU MEAN THE SEWER SYSTEM? THE SEWER? YES. THE SEWER AND WATER TREATMENT.
YEAH. THE WATER TREATMENT. WE'RE ONLY OPERATING 25%.
I KNOW, BUT WHEN IT WAS WHEN WE SPENT ALL THAT MONEY, WHAT WAS, THERE HAD TO HAVE BEEN SOME HOPE, RIGHT? WAS IT ALL RESIDENTIAL OR WAS THERE SOMETHING? I THINK THE EMPHASIS WAS ON POTENTIAL INDUSTRIAL.
SO THERE WAS AN INDUSTRIAL COMPONENT. YEAH. BUT WHERE WAS IT? WAS IT AT THE INDUSTRIAL PARK OR SOME OTHER LOCATION? I WAS INVOLVED IN A LOT OF THE, I GUESS PLANNING OF THAT AS IT WENT FORWARD.
ONE OF THE COMPONENTS WAS THE SITE ON CAMP PARKWAY, WHICH IS NOW ZONED INDUSTRIAL, THAT WAS INTENDED, OR AT THE TIME CONSIDERED TO BE FOR A RESIDENTIAL KIND OF A MIXED USE OR NOT MIXED USE A PRE PLANNED RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY OF SEVERAL, SEVERAL HUNDRED HOMES. WITH THAT, THERE WAS A COMPONENT TO BRING THAT POTENTIALLY OVER TO THE 671 CORRIDOR TO LOOK AT SOME INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT.
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AND THEN THE OTHER COMPONENT WAS THE CITY OF FRANKLIN POTENTIALLY PARTNERING WITH THEM AS THEY WERE HAVING DIFFICULTIES WITH THEIR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN AND CONSENT ORDERS FROM DEQ AND SO FORTH, TO ESSENTIALLY, PERHAPS BRING THE ARMORY DRIVE SECTION THROUGH PUMP STATIONS TO ACCOMMODATE THAT, TO REMOVE THAT FROM THE CITY OF FRANKLIN'S WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, AND TO BRING THAT WHOLE SECTION OUT TO THE COURTLAND PLANT THROUGH A REGIONAL INITIATIVE WITH THE COUNTY AND THE CITY PARTNERING, YOU KNOW, AN INDEPENDENT AUTHORITY, A REGIONAL WASTEWATER AUTHORITY TO DO THAT. SO SO THERE WAS A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT TO IT.THERE WAS A COMMERCIAL COMPONENT AND THAT POTENTIAL INDUSTRIAL COMPONENT WITH THAT.
THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY DIDN'T REALLY MATERIALIZE TO THAT POINT.
SO THAT'S WHY THE PLANT IS STILL RELATIVELY OBVIOUSLY SO WE CAN WE CAN RE-ENVISION TO FIX THAT BECAUSE I JUST .
SEE THAT WAS A IT WAS A BIG INVESTMENT AND THERE'S CERTAINLY NOT A LOT OF CUSTOMERS YOU KNOW, PROVIDING THE, THE REVENUE INTO THAT PLANT. SO IT RUNS DOWN 58 AND THEN SPURS DOWN CAMP PARKWAY, BUT IT DOESN'T GO DOWN SHADY BROOK TRAIL OR NEW MARKET ROAD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
YEAH. AND I BELIEVE THE CAMP PARKWAY SEGMENT, THE SEWER WAS FROM THE COUNTY, AND THE WATER WOULD HAVE BEEN FROM THE CITY OF FRANKLIN BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE SOME TYPE OF AUTHORITY CREATED, I THINK, AT ONE TIME.
FRANKLIN WAS REALLY UP AGAINST THE WALL THERE FOR A WHILE.
THEY HAD JUST ABOUT MAXED OUT. AND YOU CAN'T GET BUT LIKE WHAT, 90% CAPACITY? YOU GOT TO COME UP WITH A PLAN FOR ANY ADDITIONAL USAGE.
BUT I THINK THEY WERE ABLE TO UPGRADE OR SOMETHING.
THEY DID SOMETHING TO INCREASE THEIR CAPACITY AND THEY KIND OF BACKED OFF [INAUDIBLE] THAT AUTHORITY, IS WHAT IS WHAT I RECALL. WELL, ANY ANY OTHER COMMENTS? LIKE I SAID, THIS HAS BEEN A GREAT DISCUSSION.
IT'S THE VERY EARLIEST STAGES, OF COURSE. THEN WE MIGHT CONSIDER WHEN WE'RE LOOKING INTO SOME OF THIS INFORMATION, IS LOOK AT OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH, NORTH CAROLINA.
THEY HAD AN IMPACT ON THE SOLAR FACILITIES BECAUSE THEY JUMPED IN HEAD FIRST.
BUT I KNOW I'VE HEARD SOME SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT DATA CENTERS.
NO, NO PARTICULAR SITE OR LOCATION. I THINK IT'S JUST DISCUSSION LIKE WE'RE DOING.
OKAY. SO. AND AS WITH ANY ECONOMIC OR POTENTIALLY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, YOU KNOW, THE BIG PLAYERS AMAZON WEB SERVICES, GOOGLE, MICROSOFT AND SO FORTH, THEY THEY PUT THEIR FEELERS OUT TO ANY AND ALL PLACES AND TRY TO GET THE BEST DEAL THEY POSSIBLY CAN AS FAR AS FOR ACTUAL SITE SELECTION AND DEVELOPMENT.
OBVIOUSLY, VIRGINIA, HAVING A MAJORITY OF THEM IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA HAS A KIND OF A AN ADVANTAGE IN TRYING TO ATTRACT SOME OF THESE DATA CENTER DEVELOPMENTS JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE CLOSE TO OTHER DATA CENTERS THAT ARE INTEGRATED INTO THEIR OVERALL PLANS.
WELL, MR. RANDOLPH, I'M GOING TO DIRECT THIS QUESTION TO YOU WITH YOUR EXPERTISE.
THE WAY THAT THE DATA CENTER IS LISTED IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH I GUESS BACK IN THE EARLY 90S, WE'RE THINKING WHEN THAT WAS WRITTEN I DON'T KNOW WHETHER I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY WERE THINKING ABOUT THE CENTER COULD BE CERTAINLY NOT HUNDREDS OF ACRES.
I DON'T THINK SO. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE MAYBE NEED TO, DIDN'T YOU MENTION IT COULD BE IN A RETAIL COMMERCIAL? YES. IT'S LISTED IN THE RETAIL AND SERVICE ESTABLISHMENTS IN AN M-1 DISTRICT.
SO YOU COULD HAVE A 30 ACRE LARGER M-1 DISTRICT, AND THAT WOULD STILL ALLOW FOR LIKE AUTOMOBILE SERVICE STATION BANKS, YOU KNOW, SERVICE COMPONENTS TO SERVE THE OVERALL INDUSTRIAL PARK OR THAT INDUSTRIAL LARGER INDUSTRIAL SITE.
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SO IT'S SOMEWHAT DATED AS FAR AS THAT BECAUSE IT'S LISTED AS A RETAIL AND SERVICE COMPONENT, EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH DATA CENTERS IN VIRGINIA ARE FAR FROM A RETAIL OR SERVICE COMPONENT.WE DON'T WANT TO PUT IT NEXT DOOR TO A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
CORRECT. I DON'T THINK I DON'T THINK WE'D WANT TO ALLOW THAT.
IT MUST BE IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WISHES TO LOOK INTO FURTHER YOU KNOW, AS WITH ANY INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU SET A, YOU KNOW, HERE ARE YOUR PERMITTED USES, BUT IT'S IF IT'S OVER, YOU KNOW, X AMOUNT OF ACRES, IT GOES THROUGH AN ADDITIONAL PROCESS OR ADDITIONAL REVIEW, WHETHER THAT'S A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW.
SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A 100 ACRE INDUSTRIAL SITE, IT MIGHT HAVE SOME SPECIFIC IMPACTS.
SO YOU MAYBE DON'T WANT TO SINGLE OUT DATA CENTERS IN PARTICULAR, BUT MAYBE JUST INDUSTRIAL PROJECTS OVER A CERTAIN SIZE THAT WOULD HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN STANDARDS. SO WHETHER THAT BE TRUCK WAREHOUSES ON 300 ACRES, LIKE THE PORT 4 60 PROJECT IN SUFFOLK OR, YOU KNOW, OTHER INDUSTRIAL USES. THERE MAY YOU MAY WISH TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, HAVING THAT THRESHOLD AS TO WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, CAN BE LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, UNDER A CERTAIN ACREAGE WOULD REQUIRE THIS.
IF YOU GET ABOVE THAT ACREAGE, IT'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY REQUIRE SOMETHING ELSE.
THERE WAS A MENTION IN THE REPORT ABOUT THE SMALLER DATA CENTERS BEING FOCUSED ONLY ON AI, ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT'S GETTING READY TO HAPPEN.
I THINK KIND OF LOOKING AT TRENDS AND WHAT ARE THE POSSIBILITIES, WHAT WE MAY NOT BE THE MEGA CENTER, BUT IF THEY START, AI IS OBVIOUSLY THE NEW THING NOW, THAT MIGHT BE WHAT COMES TO US AT SOME POINT IN TIME. SO YEAH, AND SO CERTAINLY IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT, SAY, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED ACRE SITE WHERE ONLY 50 ACRES WOULD ACTUALLY BE DEVELOPED AND THE REST, YOU KNOW, CONSERVED, OR FOR BUFFERS OR THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE SOME OF THE SMALLER PROJECTS VERSUS A, YOU KNOW, A MAJOR INDUSTRIAL CAMPUS WITH MULTIPLE BUILDINGS YOU KNOW, IN THAT SENSE.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ASK FROM A HISTORICAL BASIS TO THE BOARD.
SAY FOR A SMALL SCALE UTILITY SITUATION I THINK 1 OR 2 ACRES, JUST WHEN THE UTILITY COMPANY WANTS TO PUT IN A NEW SUBSTATION WHAT HAS BEEN THE EXPERIENCE OF THE BOARD JUST GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS OF GETTING THAT SET UP? BECAUSE SOME SUBSTATIONS SIT VERY CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND WHATEVER AND WITH THIS POWER DRAW, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SEVERAL SUBSTATIONS GOING IN AS FAR AS THAT INFRASTRUCTURE BUILD OUT.
I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK, I GUESS HISTORICALLY HOW THE COUNTY HAS DEALT WITH THAT.
I DO REMEMBER WHEN THE DOMINION WANTED TO PUT THE HIGHER TOWERS AND TRANSMISSION LINES IN THE IVOR AREA? THAT WENT THROUGH A REVIEW PROCESS HERE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL SO WE COULD PROVIDE COMMENTS TO THAT.
AND THEY WERE DOING THE SIMILAR THING IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA. AND I RECALL IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA, THEY WANTED THOSE BURIED UNDERGROUND AND, YOU KNOW, IN HERE IN THIS KIND OF MORE RURAL PART OF HAMPTON ROADS, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST PUT UP MUCH LARGER TOWERS.
BUT THAT WENT THROUGH AN OFFICIAL REVIEW PROCESS.
AND THEN THE LARGER TOWERS ARE SITUATED RIGHT NEXT TO THE SMALLER.
AND NEXT QUESTION THAT I HAVE THAT I KNOW A LOT OF TIMES IN DIFFERENT INVESTMENT ENDEAVORS, PEOPLE LOOK AT THE GOOSE WITH THE GOLDEN EGG.
BUT DON'T LOOK INTO THE PARTICULARS OF HOW MUCH THAT EGG IS ACTUALLY GOING TO COST YOU AT THE END OF THE DAY, AND I WOULD THINK THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO A REASONABLE STUDY ON OUR EXPECTATIONS OF WHAT WE THINK REASONABLY WOULD BE THE INCOME REVENUE FROM THAT PROJECT LOCATING IN OUR LOCALITY.
BECAUSE RIGHT OFFHAND, I CAN ONLY SEE POSSIBLY WHAT REAL ESTATE TAXES.
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MOST OF THESE PROJECTS DON'T PAY ANY PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES BECAUSE THEY GET WAIVERS ON THE EQUIPMENT, BECAUSE ONE OF THEIR MAJOR INVESTMENTS. SO THE ONLY OTHER THING YOU WOULD BE GETTING FROM THE ELECTRICAL COMPANY WOULD BE YOUR UTILITY TAX THAT YOU ALREADY GET RIGHT NOW AND HOW THAT MAY GO UP OR MAY BE FORCED DOWN BECAUSE OF THE VOLUME, BECAUSE THEY'LL BE LOOKING AT THE ECONOMIES OF SCALE.SO THOSE WOULD BE THINGS. SO YOU MAY BE THINKING YOU'RE GETTING OH, WE'RE GOING TO GET 40, $50 MILLION OUT OF THIS PROJECT. AND AT THE END OF THE THING YOU MAY WIND UP REASONABLY ONLY GETTING A MILLION BUCKS. WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN PROACTIVE LOOKING AT THE PROBLEMS THAT WERE COMING FROM THE EAST, THE COUNTIES DOWN THAT WAY WE SAW WHEN THEY HAD A PROBLEM, WE STARTED LOOKING AT IT.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AND SEE WHY NORTHERN VIRGINIA NOW IS WHAT PROBLEMS THEY'VE HAD WITH IT.
THEY I THINK I DON'T THINK THEY WANT ANYMORE.
I MEAN BUT SO WE NEED WE NEED TO STUDY AND FIND OUT WHAT PROBLEMS THEY HAVE.
AND THEN WE DECIDE WE PUT UP WITH THOSE PROBLEMS FOR THE MONEY OR WHATEVER.
BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE. YOU GOT TO HAVE THE WATER AND YOU GOT TO HAVE ELECTRICITY. SOME OF THESE OTHER PLACES, THEY ONLY HAVE MECKLENBURG ONLY HAS PLENTY OF WATER. PITTSYLVANIA COUNTY, I THINK, IS RIGHT NEXT TO A BIG PIPELINE THAT COMES ACROSS THE MOUNTAIN THERE, FUEL. SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT AT NORTHERN VIRGINIA AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA.
BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND WITH THESE THINGS COMING IN, THEY ARE TAKING UP THE AMOUNT OF LAND OF ALMOST.
THAT'S THAT'S ONE OF THE FACTORS. YOU'RE RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, IN MY READING IT LOOKS LIKE THEY COULD BE PUT ANYWHERE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE NEXT TO A METRO AREA. WHAT WHAT CONCERNS ME IS THE CONCENTRATION IS MORE IN THOSE FIVE COUNTIES [INAUDIBLE]. AND TO ME, I DON'T THINK ABOUT BAD TIMES, BUT THAT WOULD BE A TARGET.
CAN YOU IMAGINE THE INFORMATION? I CAN'T GRASP IT.
I'M JUST OLD SCHOOL. BUT THE IMPORTANCE, THE IMPORTANCE OF WHAT THEY WHAT THEY STORE, BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THEY THEY HAVE TO HAVE A BACKUP EVEN TO, TO HEAD THEIR OWN POWER IN CASE THAT POWER GOES OUT.
BUT I DIDN'T QUITE GRASP WHY THE CONCENTRATION IS SO MUCH IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA.
WELL, BASICALLY, YOU CAN PUT IN ANYWHERE BASICALLY YOUR DATA CENTERS ACTUALLY POWER YOUR E-COMMERCE AND UP IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA WITH YOUR BUSINESS AND STUFF AND YOUR BUSINESS HEADQUARTERS THAT YOU HAVE THERE, THEY ARE VERY DATA INTENSIVE AND INTERNET INVOLVEMENT IN YOUR DATA, IN YOUR DATA CENTERS PUSHED ALL OF THAT INTERNET TRAFFIC, DOMESTIC AND INTERNATIONALLY.
AND IN HAMPTON ROADS, YOUR DATA IS THAT BECAUSE OF YOUR MILITARY FACILITIES AND ALSO YOUR BUSINESSES AND YOUR WAREHOUSING THAT YOU'RE PUTTING IN RIGHT NOW THEN YOUR WAREHOUSING WILL USE SMALL DATA CENTERS BECAUSE THEY WILL HAVE INVENTORY TRACKING AND ALL THAT, KEEPING UP WITH ORDERS AND THE MASSIVE FLOW OF IMPORTS AND THINGS COMING IN OUT OF THE PORT OF NORFOLK.
SO THAT'S WHY THAT DATA CONCENTRATION WILL BE RIGHT THERE.
OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COULD WE I'M GONNA ASK THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD. WOULD YOU LIKE, MR. RANDOLPH IN THE COMING MONTHS.
LIKE I SAID, I DON'T THINK WE'RE [INAUDIBLE] AT THIS TIME.
BUT I THINK I DO THINK WE NEED TO CONTINUE ON THIS THOUGHT PROCESS.
COULD WE COULD WE CHALLENGE HIM IN THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS OR WHENEVER TO MAYBE LOOK, I'M LIKE, [INAUDIBLE] LOOK AT OUR SOUTHERN NEIGHBORS TO SEE IF THEY'VE BEEN CONFRONTED AND MAYBE SOME OF THE STIPULATIONS IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL HOW IT WOULD AFFECT, YOU KNOW
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I THINK IT DID SAY IT EMITS A NOISE. DID I GET THAT RIGHT OR IS THAT RIGHT? IT DOES HAVE A IT HAS A LITTLE A LITTLE BIT. IT HAS A HUM.IT HAS A HUM. I LIVE NEAR THOSE BUILDINGS. OKAY.
I USED TO SAY THE CLOUD HOMES, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY REFERRED TO THOSE DATA CENTERS AS THE CLOUD, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT. ONE THING IS OBVIOUS, SOLAR POWER IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THIS.
BUT SOMETIMES YOU HEAR THE TWO WORDS TOGETHER.
I'VE READ ABOUT SOLAR FUNCTIONS 40% OF THE TIME.
DO YOU THINK THEY'RE GOING TO RELY ON THAT? SOLAR POWER WOULD BASICALLY BE USED TO KEEP YOUR BACKUP POWER SUPPLIES CHARGED UP.
RIGHT. SO YOUR SOLAR POWER IS BASICALLY JUST A BATTERY.
BUT THINK OF THE SOLAR POWER IT WOULD TAKE TO BACK THIS STUFF UP.
SO I MEAN, I'M FOR IT. IF WE COULD FIND A SUITABLE PLACE AND IT WAS WOULD FIT IN THE COUNTY, FIT WITH WHAT OUR PHILOSOPHY. I THINK IT'D BE GREAT.
A GOOD TAX BASE. I'D LIKE TO SEE ALL CHALMERS AND FORD AND COME PUT A FACTORY HERE, TOO.
WE NEED EMPLOYMENT, SO OUR IS OUR DIRECTION. YOU ALL.
AND PARTICULARLY IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA. ANOTHER THING IN PITTSYLVANIA, IF YOU ALL GET ON YOUR CELL PHONE OR YOUR LAPTOP WHEN YOU GET HOME, YOU'LL SEE THAT THIS THING HAS BEEN BACK AND FORTH FOR ABOUT FOUR YEARS.
SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY THINKS ABOUT ALL THIS AS WELL.
THAT'S A GOOD THOUGHT, YOU BROUGHT IT UP EARLIER. YES, YES.
IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I THINK THEY DO HAVE SOMETHING IN COMMITTEE RIGHT NOW ALONG THE LINES OF THE TAXATION ON GIVING RELIEF, YOU KNOW, FOR THE FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE COMPUTERS, THE DIFFERENT OTHER THINGS, THE MACHINERY AND EVERYTHING, GIVING THEM TAX BREAKS ON THAT BECAUSE THAT'S THEIR MAJOR COST AND THAT'S WHAT THEY ALL SEEK WHEN THEY GO INTO AN AREA FOR ECONOMIC RELIEF TO BUILD. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SPECIFIC BILL THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW, BUT IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I DID READ ACROSS SOMETHING THAT AS I DIGEST A LOT OF INFORMATION.
AND MR. RANDOLPH, I JUST MENTIONED THIS, I KNOW I'M SURE YOU GO TO MULTIPLE MEETINGS AND CONFERENCES AND WHATEVER, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ARE EVER IN THE PRESENCE OF OTHER PLANNING DIRECTORS IF THEY COME ACROSS, YOU KNOW, THIS CONCEPT OR THAT BEING THE FIRST ONE, PUT IT THAT WAY, IF THERE'S SEE WHAT OTHER LOCALITIES SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS AND SUPPORT THAT THEY HAVE.
AND LIKE I SAID THIS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT A TIMELINE ON IT, BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING IF YOU HAVE IF YOU COME ACROSS THAT OPPORTUNITY AT SOME POINT YOU CAN REPORT BACK TO US. CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY CAN DO SO.
I'VE BEEN TAKING SOME NOTES ON SOME OF THOSE. AND AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE THE INFO PACK.
LIKE I SAID, WE'RE TRYING TO GET UNBIASED, YOU KNOW, NEUTRAL.
WE JUST WANT TO KNOW THE INFORMATION AND THEN WE'LL MAKE THAT DECISION AT A LATER DATE.
THAT IS CORRECT. IT'S A PERMITTED USE AS LONG AS THE SITE IS 30 ACRES OR LARGER.
AND WE TRY NOT TO OVERBURDEN INDUSTRIAL SITES UNLESS THEY'RE SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL USES, NEARBY, THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT WAS THE THE WOOD PELLET PROCESSING FACILITY OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
OBVIOUSLY THAT WAS LOCATED IN A DESIGNATED CORRIDOR FOR INDUSTRIAL GROWTH.
SO IT HAD A LOT OF THE COMPONENTS NECESSARY TO TO MAKE THAT PROJECT GO FORWARD.
GOOD. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT DATA CENTERS? IS THERE ANY OTHER NEW BUSINESS? NOT. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE, WE ADJOURN. WELL, HOLD THAT THOUGHT.
DO I GET A SECOND? I GOT YOUR MOTION. I'M GONNA HAVE A LITTLE DISCUSSION.
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I GOT A, IF ANYBODY CAN ENLIGHTEN ME. I WENT TO PETERSBURG THIS PAST WEEK AND AS SOON AS YOU GET INTO SUSSEX COUNTY ON HIGHWAY 35.ANYBODY KNOW WHAT ALL THE MARKERS FLAGGING ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE ROAD? PRIMARILY THEY'RE DIFFERENT THREE DIFFERENT COLORS.
AND IT GOES ALL ALMOST TRYING TO THINK IT DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY TO 95, BUT A LONG STRETCH ON HIGHWAY 35 ON THE LEFT SIDE GOING NORTH. ANYBODY? IS THAT A POWER LINE? IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S WIDE ENOUGH FOR A ROAD EXTENSION.
RIGHT OF WAY. THAT'S THE ONLY THING I CAN COME UP WITH. ANYBODY.
WE'LL CALL ALL THE FLAGS. YOU CAN ASK ME THAT.
THEY MEAN SOMETHING BLUE, ORANGE AND RED AND WHITE.
I WAS THINKING IT WAS FOR THE OPTIC CABLE, BUT I'M NOT POSITIVE.
IT COULD BE. IT COULD BE SOME OF THOSE ARE WAY OUT THERE IN THE FIELDS, THOUGH. YEAH.
SO IT'S SOMETHING I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.
BUT YEAH. BECAUSE NORMALLY BLUE IS A WATER LINE.
ORANGE IS A POWER NO DATA LINE AND RED IS A POWER LINE OKAY.
BUT IT COULD BE DIFFERENT. IT COULD BE A DIFFERENT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT.
I JUST CURIOUS, THAT'S ALL. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO ADJOURN.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. WE HAVE SEVERAL SECONDS.
OKAY. WELL THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR ATTENDANCE TONIGHT.
AND BRING IT OUT. SEE YOU NEXT MONTH AT 7:00.
[7. MEETING SCHEDULE]
THAT'S THE 10TH, RIGHT? YEAH, ON THE 10TH APRIL.DID WE HAVE ANY? OH, I HEAR YOU. CARRY ON. CARRY ON.
CARRY ON. I DO NOT ANTICIPATE ANY. THERE MAY BE.
I'M WORKING WITH TWO PROPERTY OWNERS REGARDING A POTENTIAL ADDITION TO AN AGRICULTURAL AND FOREST, VOLUNTARY AGRICULTURAL AND FOREST DISTRICT. SO SHOULD THOSE APPLICATIONS BE COMPLETE THEY MAY BE AT YOUR APRIL MEETING, BUT IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, IT MAY THEY WANT TO ENROLL. THEY HAVE TWO PARCELS THAT THEY'VE RECENTLY ACQUIRED AND THEY WISH TO GET THEM INTO THE DISTRICT.
I JUST GOT ONE QUICK THING BECAUSE WE WERE ASKING ABOUT THINGS.
YOU DO CURRENTLY HAVE A HOUSE BILL 2101 THAT'S IN ON IT AND SENATE BILL 9 60.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.