>> I'M GOING TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. [1. CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL] [00:00:03] I'M GOING TO ASK IF EACH ONE OF YOU WILL STAND AS WE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO OUR FLAG. OF ALLEGIANCE]. I'M GOING TO ASK IF YOU WILL REMAIN STANDING AND I'LL HAVE A BRIEF INVOCATION. BOW YOUR HEADS, IF YOU PLEASE. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE GIVE THANKS FOR THIS EVENING THAT WE CAN COME AND MEET AS THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THOSE WHO HAVE COME FORWARD TONIGHT TO BE A PART OF THIS MEETING. LORD, WE ASK THAT YOUR BLESSINGS UPON THIS MEETING, THAT ANY DECISIONS OR RECOMMENDATIONS MADE TONIGHT WILL BE PLEASING TO YOU. LORD AT THE END OF THIS MEETING, WE ASK THAT YOU BE WITH US TO ALL HAVE A SAFE TRIP HOME. THESE AND ALL THINGS THAT WE ASK IN YOUR SON'S NAME, JESUS CHRIST. AMEN. YOU MAY BE SEATED. >> I'D LIKE TO WELCOME EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU HERE TONIGHT TO OUR FEBRUARY MEETING OF THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION. WE HAVE SEVERAL TOPICS WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING TONIGHT, AND I'M SURE SOME OF YOU WANT TO PARTICIPATE AND SOME OF YOU PROBABLY COME IN TO LISTEN, BUT SPEAKING FOR THE BOARD, WE APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENCE HERE TONIGHT. THAT BEING SAID, I'LL GO RIGHT DOWN TO THE AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER 2 IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE JANUARY 9TH MEETING. [2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] I SEE THAT EVERYBODY HAS THEIR PACKETS IN FRONT OF THEM TONIGHT AND LET IT BE NOTED MR. SECRETARY, THAT EVERYBODY IS PRESENT TONIGHT. I WOULD OPEN THE FLOOR FOR ANY DISCUSSION, ANY ADDITIONS, OR COMMENTS, ANY CORRECTIONS THAT MIGHT NEED TO BE MADE. >> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. >> I SECOND. >> I HAVE A PROPER MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED AS WELL AS A PROPER SECOND. IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? BEING AT NONE, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED, SAY I. >> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED LIKE SIGN. IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM NUMBER 3, WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. WHAT THIS IS, FOR ONES THAT MAY NOT BE AWARE OF THIS PART OF OUR PROGRAM OR OUR MEETING IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO BRING FORWARD THAT AS A CONCERN AS A CITIZEN OF THE COUNTY, ANY ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF THAT WE COULD PASS ON TO HOPE TO HELP YOU WITH THOSE CONCERNS. THIS WILL BE YOUR TIME TO COME FORWARD. I'M GOING TO ASK IF YOU'RE HERE FOR ANY OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, IF YOU WOULD SAVE THAT TESTIMONY FOR THE RESPECTIVE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT WE HAD TONIGHT, WE CERTAINLY WELCOME YOU TO COME FORWARD AND WE WELCOME YOUR COMMENTS OR CONCERNS. THIS TIME, I OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, AND I'M GOING TO ASK IF ANYONE DOES COME FORWARD, IF YOU'LL GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. WE'RE VERY INFORMAL. PAY NO MIND TO MY SHIRT AND TIE AND SOME OF MY OTHER CONSTITUENTS HAVE. WE'RE JUST REGULAR PEOPLE. BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS OTHER THAN A PUBLIC HEARING, YOU'RE TO COME FORWARD NOW. I DON'T SEE ANYBODY STANDING UP. LAST CALL. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. [NOISE] ITEM NUMBER 4, [4. PUBLIC HEARINGS] WE WILL BEGIN WITH THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. I'M GOING TO ASK MY SECRETARY, MR. RANDOLPH, IF YOU WILL PROCEED WITH THAT APPLICATION, PLEASE. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING YOU HAVE SCHEDULED THIS EVENING IS FOR REZONING AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2025-01. IT IS A DUAL APPLICATION, REQUESTING BOTH. IT'S AN APPLICATION BY CHRISTINE SULLIVAN, OWNER, REQUESTING A CHANGE IN ZONING CLASSIFICATION FROM R2 RESIDENTIAL TO CONDITIONAL M2. CONDITIONAL, GENERAL INDUSTRIAL, AND ALSO REQUESTS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR APPROXIMATELY 0.75 ACRES OF A 4.7-ACRE PARCEL. THE PURPOSE OF THE APPLICATION IS FOR A MICRO-PROCESSING FACILITY. THE PROPERTY IS IDENTIFIED AS A PORTION OF TAX PARCEL 117-40, AND IT IS LOCATED AT 34574 SMITHS FERRY ROAD, FRANKLIN, VIRGINIA, AND IT IS IN THE SOUTHEAST VOTING DISTRICT. [00:05:07] >> IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. RANDOLPH FROM THE PANEL BEFORE WE PROCEED WITH THE HEARING? EVERYBODY, I'M SURE IT'S FAMILIAR. MS. SULLIVAN CAME BACK IN I THINK THE NOVEMBER MEETING, CORRECT? WE HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE APPLICATION AND SHE'S COMING BACK TONIGHT. I THINK WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THE LOCATION OF THE REZONING. IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE OPEN THE HEARING? IF NOT, I'LL OPEN THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING. [NOISE] MS. SULLIVAN IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK ON YOUR BEHALF, AND THEN WE'LL ASK OTHERS TO COME UP. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE AGAIN TONIGHT. >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. >> JUST GIVE US A BRIEF OVERVIEW, IF YOU WILL. WE DO HAVE AN AUDIENCE TONIGHT THAT MAY NOT BE AWARE OF. [LAUGHTER] JUST GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AND THE REASONING FOR YOU BEING HERE TONIGHT. >> WELL, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. WE ARE WANTING TO OPEN A MICRO-PROCESSING FACILITY THAT WOULD BE USDA THAT ALSO DOES WILD GAME AND NON-INSPECTED ANIMALS AT THE SAME TIME. THE WAY TO DO THAT IS SET IN PLACE OR DIFFERENT TIME, DIFFERENT PLACE, SO THERE WOULD BE ONE BUILDING THAT HAS TWO SEPARATE AREAS, SO WE COULD DO WILD GAME AND WE CAN ALSO DO DOMESTICS. THE REASON FOR THIS IS BECAUSE WE ARE PARTNERED WITH MULTIPLE ORGANIZATIONS LIKE HUNTERS FOR THE HUNGRY, WHICH HAS HUNTERS THAT ARE LOCALLY THAT DONATE DEER THAT WE PROCESS TO FEED AT THE FOOD BANKS AND OTHER FACILITIES. WE ARE WITH THE WESTERN TIDEWATER FOOD BANK, THE EASTERN TIDEWATER FOOD BANK, FAMILY FRATERNITY, AND MULTIPLE OTHER SMALLER ORGANIZATIONS THAT REACH OUT TO SENIORS THAT ARE UNABLE TO LEAVE THEIR FACILITIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT TO PROVIDE FRESH MEAT TO THEM. PROCESSING IS AN AGRICULTURAL ACTIVITY, AND SINCE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY IS ONE OF THE LARGEST AGRICULTURAL COUNTIES IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA, AND WE DON'T HAVE A PROCESSOR. THE CLOSEST ONE IS OVER AN HOUR AWAY AND THEY'RE BOOKED OUT A YEAR AND A HALF. I CALLED THEM BEFORE THE MEETING TO FIND OUT. THE ONES THAT ARE 2-3 HOURS AWAY ONE WAY ARE BOOKED OUT FOR OVER A YEAR. THE WAITING LIST IS OVER 100 PEOPLE TO FILL INTO SLOTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE. THERE IS A MASSIVE NEED FOR A PROCESSOR. WE ARE LOSING PROCESSORS DAILY. HUNTERS FROM THE HUNGRY IS ACTUALLY GARY ARRINGTON, WHO IS WITH HUNTERS FOR THE HUNGRY. I BELIEVE HE'S THE CHAIRMAN OR HE'S A HIGHER POSITION. WE WORK WITH HIM DIRECTLY. HE HAS SENT A STATUS OF HOW MANY PROCESS THEY LOST, HOW MANY POUNDS OF MEAT THAT THEY'VE PROCESSED, AND WHAT GETS DISTRIBUTED THAT HE HAS SENT IF I COULD GET THAT TO JAY SO Y'ALL COULD. >> YES, PLEASE. THANK YOU. >> WE'RE TRYING TO FILL A NEED TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY, AND WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO MAKE IT WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY HELP THOSE THAT ARE IN NEED AT THE SAME TIME, AND WE CAN DO THAT BEING A SMALL FACILITY. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR EITHER OF THESE LADIES? >> I'VE GOT A QUESTION. >> YES. >> MAYBE IT'S MORE FOR MR. RANDOLPH. IN THE PACKET, IT SHOWS PROPOSED CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CONSIDERATIONS. ARE THEY CONDITIONS THAT THE APPLICANT IS OFFERING? >> THOSE WOULD BE CONDITIONS THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD RECOMMEND BE ATTACHED AS PART OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION. >> YOU'VE SEEN THE APPLICATION AND THE COMMENTS, ARE YOU ASKING FOR THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS TO BE ATTACHED ONE THROUGH NINE? >> YES. >> I'M ONBOARD WITH READING ALL OF THEM. >> YES. >> THE ONE THAT I HAD THE QUESTION OF IS NUMBER 3. PROCESSING HOUR 7:00 AM TO 7:00 PM. DO YOU THINK MAYBE DURING HUNTING SEASON, THAT THE HOURS NEED TO BE EXTENDED A LITTLE BIT, MAYBE TO 9:00 PM? >> YES. WE ARE WORKING WITH HUNTERS FOR THE HUNGRY TO ACTUALLY HAVE A DROP OFF LOCATION LIKE A COOLER THEY ARE CURRENTLY DOING THAT IS HAULED AROUND TO MULTIPLE HUNTING FACILITIES. >> THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THAT BECAUSE LIKE A SATURDAY DURING HUNTING SEASON HUNTERS COULD DROP GAME OFF AND WANT IT PROCESSED SO I WOULD ASK THAT WE COULD MAYBE AMEND THAT SO PROCESSING HOUR 7:00 AM TO 7:00 PM AND THEN DURING HUNTING SEASON 7:00 AM TO 9:00 PM. >> WE APPRECIATE THAT. >> I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK PRACTICALLY. SAY A HUNTER HARVEST THE DEER AROUND SUNSET, 05:00 PM BY THE TIME YOU GET IT OUT OF THE WOODS [00:10:01] AND GET IT TO THE PROCESSING WE WOULDN'T WANT TO HAVE ANY. IS THAT PRACTICABLE OR NOT? >> I THINK SO. >> I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE DISRUPTIVE EXTENDING THAT JUST DURING HUNTING SEASON. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS ON THE RECORD THAT THAT WAS BEING ADDED, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WAS FROM THE COUNTY'S COMMENTS, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S FOUR STRENGTHS OF THE APPLICATION AND ONE WEAKNESS. BUT I THINK LIKE I SAID LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE, A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE. WE HAVE A BIGGER CROWD. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. I THINK IT WILL BE USED SIGNIFICANTLY, ESPECIALLY BY THE HUNT CLUBS AND THE PUBLIC, AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS IN A GOOD LOCATION FOR IT. THAT'S JUST MY TWO CENTS. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER RANDALL, IF I MAY COMMENT, WE MAY WISH TO HAVE A SPECIFIC DATE FOR THAT HUNTING SEASON COULD BE BROAD DEPENDING ON THE HUNTING SEASON. >> THE DEER HUNTING SEASON? >> DEER HUNTING. >> DEER HUNTING. >> JUST A CLARIFICATION. >> WHICH IS USUALLY SECOND WEEK IN NOVEMBER TIL THE FIRST WEEK IN JANUARY. >> MR. RANDOLPH, I NOTICED THAT HERE YOU HAVE WEAKNESS OF THE APPLICATION, EXISTING SITE CHARACTERISTICS NECESSITATE IMPROVEMENTS, SPECIFICALLY, INTEREST LOCATION, PARKING, AND INTERNAL CIRCULATION. COULD YOU GO THROUGH THAT FOR US? >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER EDWARDS. YES. WHEN I WAS PREPARING THIS REPORT, I DID HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT THE SITE, AND IT WAS NOTED THAT THE ENTRANCE IS OFF OF A TWO-LANE THOROUGHFARE, US ROUTE 258, WHICH HAS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC TRAVELING AT FAIRLY GOOD SPEEDS, HAVING A WIDE ENTRANCE CERTAINLY THAT NEEDS TO THAT BE STANDARD IS GOING TO HELP PROVIDE SAFE ACCESS TO AND FROM THIS PROPERTY. THE AERIAL PICTURES, AND I DID INCLUDE SOME OTHER PICTURES IN YOUR PACKET. THE SITE IS NOT COMPLETELY LEVEL. THE DRIVEWAY INTO THE SITE IS ESSENTIALLY RAISED APPROXIMATELY 24 INCHES ABOVE THE SURROUNDING GRADE. THERE'S SOME VEGETATION THERE. IF YOU ENVISION SOMEONE WITH A TRUCK AND A TRAILER PULLING FIRST OFF OF THE ROUTE 258 INTO THE SITE AND TRAVELING, THERE HAS TO BE ADEQUATE ROOM FOR THAT VEHICLE WITH THE TRAILER TO BE ABLE TO MANEUVER AND UNLOAD AND EXIT THE SITE. IT'S RELATIVELY TIGHT AS FAR AS THE PARKING IN THE AREA AS YOU GET FURTHER BACK INTO THE SITE SO MY WEAKNESS AS NOTED, IS IT WOULD REQUIRE SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO MAKE THAT CIRCULATION FOR PEOPLE COMING AND GOING JUST IN A PRACTICAL SENSE. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. ABOUT TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT. IS THERE A LOT OF TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT OF YOUR FACILITY? >> NO. >> NO. >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING THAT IT'S PROBABLY VERY LIMITED. >> IT'LL BE CONTROLLED. WE WILL HAVE SET APPOINTMENTS. >> I SEE IN YOUR CONDITION TO USE PERMIT CONSIDERATION, SAME DAY PROCESSING, NO OVERNIGHT KEEPING OF ANIMALS. >> THAT IS WHAT JAY HAS RECOMMENDED TO US SO THAT WAY THERE ARE NO ANIMALS THERE. THERE WILL HAVE TO BE A HOLDING PEN PER USDA IN CASE THERE IS A COW OR SHEEP THAT IS EXHIBITING PRION DISEASES, THAT IS MAD COW BECAUSE THEY WILL HAVE TO BE CONTAINED UNTIL A STATE THAT CAN ACTUALLY LOOK AT THEM. THERE IS FRESH WATER THAT HAS TO BE GIVEN AT ALL TIMES TO THAT HOLDING PEN. BUT THERE WILL NOT BE OVERNIGHT ANIMALS UNLESS THAT HAPPENS. BUT THAT IS JUST A SAFETY THAT THE USDA REQUIRES ALL FACILITIES TO HAVE REGARDLESS OF SIZE. >> WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH LIKE EXCESS BONES, TALLOW, THINGS OF THAT NATURE? >> WE'RE WORKING ON PARTNERING WITH RESCUES THAT CAN ACTUALLY USE THE OFFALS AND THE BONES AND STUFF, SO THERE'S NO WASTE. WE'RE TRYING TO FIND PEOPLE WHO CAN, SO THEY CAN ACTUALLY USE THAT AND THERE WILL BE NO WASTE. EVERYTHING WILL BE KEPT IN A COOLER AT TEMPERATURES OF 55-GALLON BARRELS WITH LOCKING WOODS TO PREVENT SMELLS AND ATTRACTING ANIMALS. THEN EVERYTHING WILL BE MOVED WEEKLY. LIKE THERE WILL NOT BE ANYTHING LEFT OVER ON THE WEEKEND. EVERYTHING WILL BE PICKED UP ON SATURDAYS. >> IF FOR HUNTERS FOR THE HUNGRY, FOR EXAMPLE? >> YES, SIR. >> HOW MANY DEER CAN YOU HANDLE A DAY OR A WEEK? IS IT SIX DAYS A WEEK? >> YES. WE DON'T WORK ON SUNDAYS. WE DO RECEIVE ON SUNDAYS FOR HUNTERS, BUT WE DO NOT WORK ON SUNDAYS. WE CAN DO 12 DEERS COMPLETELY ALL THE WAY TO SHRINK WRAP FROM DROP OFF, WHICH IS SKINNING, BREAKING THEM DOWN, GETTING THEM INTO CUTS, GETTING THEM VACUUM SEALED AND INTO A FREEZER, 12 A DAY. >> TWELVE A DAY? >> TWELVE A DAY AND THAT'S JUST WITH ME. THAT'S JUST ME DOING IT. I CAN DO 12 A DAY. [00:15:02] BECAUSE WE WERE GIVEN THE GUIDELINES THAT WE COULDN'T HAVE MORE THAN FIVE EMPLOYEES. WE ARE THE EMPLOYEES. IF CHRISTINE IS HELPING, WE CAN DO 24 A DAY. >> THAT'S A LOT. >> THAT IS A LOT OF DEER. >> SO YOU CAN HANDLE THE HUNTERS FOR THE HUNGRY? >> YES, WE CAN FULLY HANDLE THEM, AND IF WE CAN GET OPEN, WE PLAN TO DO ALL THE DEER THAT ARE DONATED IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, SO IT STAYS LOCAL. THAT IS OUR GOAL. >> WITH THE HUNT CLUBS AND INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE HUNTING. >> YES. >> YOU WILL VACUUM SEAL? >> YES. EVERYTHING WILL BE CHAMBER BACKED, JUST LIKE IT WOULD BE FOR USD WITH THE SAME LABELING AND ALL OF THAT. THANK YOU. >>YES, SIR. >> LET'S SEE IF YOU'VE GOT WHAT IS IT 0.75 OF THE ACA? I BELIEVE IT IS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. IS THAT GOING TO GIVE YOU ENOUGH ROOM FOR ANY SETBACKS? I KNOW THERE'S SOME BUILDINGS ON END. THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR J AS WELL. I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING INTO A SITUATION THEN YOU GO TO BUILD A BUILDING AND THEN YOU DON'T HAVE THE PROPER SETBACKS. >> BEING THAT THERE'S ONLY TWO OF US THAT ARE DOING IT, WE ARE VERY USED TO WORKING IN SMALL SPACES. WE DON'T NEED A VERY LARGE SPACE. WE'VE PROCESSED OUR OWN COWS AND UNDER 300 SQUARE FEET, THE TWO OF US, AND WE CAN BREAK ONE DOWN AND GET A COMPLETE COW. BASICALLY CUT UP AND VACUUM SEALED IN FOUR HOURS. THAT'S A 2000 POUND COW. WE'RE VERY USED TO WORKING IN TIGHT SPACES. WE DON'T NEED A LOT OF SPACE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT WORKING AROUND A LOT OF EMPLOYEES, IT'S US. >> WELL, I'M NOT PRIVY TO ALL THE BUILDING CODES, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND? >> YES, SIR. >> YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A STRUCTURE THERE AND WE DON'T WANT TO GET YOU ALL IN A BIND. >> I'VE RUN THE BLUEPRINTS TO THE USDA AND THEY ARE OKAY WITH THE BUILDING THAT WE'RE DOING AND THE LAYOUT THAT WE'RE CHOOSING AND THE VOLUME THAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE COOLERS THAT THERE WON'T BE AN ISSUE. >> WELL, IT'S THE BUILDING INSPECTOR THAT INDICATED THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT. NO THAT'S ANY PROBLEM, BUT WE JUST WANT TO PLAN AHEAD. >> YES, SIR. >> ANYWAY, THE OTHER THING, I THINK UNDER THE CONDITIONS, YOU'VE GOT ONE, I THINK IT'S ITEM 23 WHERE INCINERATED INDUSTRIAL OF? >> YES. THAT IS BECAUSE IF THERE IS A COW THAT COMES IN THAT HAS MAD COW DISEASE, IT IS TO BE DISPATCHED AND THE ENTIRE BODY HAS TO BE INCINERATED TO PREVENT CONTAMINATION IF THE STATE OF VIRGINIA DOES NOT TAKE THE CARCASS WITH THEM. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT GRANTED, I'M A KNOCK ON WOOD BECAUSE I'M SUPERSTITIOUS, BUT THERE HASN'T BEEN AN OUTBREAK OF MAD COW DISEASE OR ONE FOUND ANYWHERE IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA. THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY SIGNS OF PREON DISEASE OR ANYTHING OF THAT. BUT DUE TO THE FACT THAT ANY COW OVER 30 MONTHS IS TO BE TREATED AS IF THEY WERE EXPOSED TO IT OR COULD HAVE IT, WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND BE PREPARED FOR THAT. I DID EXPLAIN THAT TO JAY JUST IN CASE WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE INCINERATOR, BUT IF WE HAVE TO HAVE ONE BECAUSE ONE NEEDS TO BE SO WE CAN IF THERE IS AN OUTBREAK AND CARCASSES CAN BE PROPERLY DISPOSED OF TO PREVENT CONTAMINATION, THAT'S JUST A STEP THAT WE WANT TO TAKE BEFORE, WE HAVE TO COME BACK IN FRONT OF THE BOARD AND ASK FOR THAT CONDITIONAL USE. >> DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA WHAT SIZE INCINERATOR WOULD BE? >> IT WOULD BE COMPACT BECAUSE WE CAN CUT THEM UP AND WE CAN PUT THEM INTO IT. IT WOULD BE SMALL. IT WOULD NOT BE A VERY LARGE ONE. BECAUSE AS LONG AS THE SPINAL CORD STAYS INTACT WITH THE HEAD AND THAT FITS IN, AND THEN THE REST OF IT CAN JUST GO IN BECAUSE THE SPINAL CORD IS WHAT LEADS TO PRON CONTAMINATIONS. >> WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER IT WAS MORE OF A BENEFIT TO INCINERATE A WHOLE ANIMAL WITHOUT CUTTING IT UP SO THAT YOU'RE NOT CONTAMINATING ANY OF YOUR FACILITY WITH THAT. THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING WHAT SIZE. I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER USDA HAD A REQUIREMENT THAT REQUIRED YOU TO HAVE A CERTAIN SIZE ON SITE. >> THEY DON'T HAVE A REQUIREMENT FOR A CERTAIN SIZE. IT JUST HAS TO BE LARGE ENOUGH TO FIT THE WHOLE SPINE AND THE HEAD INSIDE OF IT BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IS CONSIDERED THE CONTAMINATION. BECAUSE THE SPINAL FLUID AND THAT ANYTHING THAT TOUCHES THE SPINE, THAT IS WHERE THE CONTAMINATION IS. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I THINK SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS DEFINITELY NEEDED, BUT HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE LIST OF WEAKNESSES OF THE APPLICATION? >> I DID. A LOT OF IT I WAS WORKING THROUGH, LIKE THE PARKING, WE CAN FIX THAT. WE ALREADY PLAN TO MOVE ALL OF OUR PERSONAL VEHICLES TO PARK BEHIND IT. WE'RE WORKING ON TAKING DOWN TREES AND OPENING UP THE FRONT, SO IT IS LARGER. WE DID TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION. WE ARE GOING TO BE WORKING TOWARDS IMPROVING THOSE THAT YOU HAVE AS WEAKNESSES. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> JUST COULD YOU GIVE ME AN IDEA OF THE ANIMALS THAT COME THROUGH? YOU HAVE DEER, YOU HAVE COWS. WHAT ELSE? >> SHEEP, GOATS, VEAL, PIGS, COWS, [00:20:02] DEER, BEAR, CHICKENS, NOUNS RABBITS. MOOSE, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE BROUGHT IN AS LONG AS THERE'S NO BONE. BASICALLY, ANY LARGE DEER LIKE SPECIES ARE RELATED TO IT AS LONG AS THERE ARE NOT ANY SPINES TO IT. WE'RE WORKING WITH DWR TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE EXACTLY WHAT IS ALLOWED TO COME IN AND HOW IT CAN COME IN SO THERE'S NO CONTAMINATION. WE'RE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO DO ANY ANIMALS THAT YOU COULD DO WITHOUT NEEDING A SPECIAL PERMIT LIKE A KANGAROO WOULD NEED A SPECIAL PERMIT. WE COULD NOT DO THAT. THERE IS A FARM THAT'S IN NORTH CAROLINA THAT RAISES THEM FOR CONSUMPTION, AND WE HAVE THEY HAVE REACHED OUT, BUT THAT IS A SPECIAL PERMIT TO BRING THAT EXOTIC ACROSS STATE LINES. WE COULDN'T DO THAT. BUT LIKE THE OSTRICH FARM OR THE EMU FARM, THAT IS AN VORE. WE COULD DO THEM. >> DO YOU HAVE ISSUES WITH CHICKENS? >> NO. WE CAN DO THEM. >> I'M JUST THINKING OF THE BIRD FLU THAT'S GOING AROUND AND HOW DO YOU DETERMINE IF A CHICKEN HAS. >> IF THEY'RE EXHIBITING SIGNS OF SICKNESS, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TAKE THIS IS THE SAME THING. LIKE IF THEY'RE SNEEZING, IF THEIR EYES ARE RUNNY, IF THEY'RE SHOWING NEUROLOGICAL ISSUES WHERE THEIR EYES ARE DARTING BACK AND FORTH. THEY CAN'T STAND UP, THEY'RE HEAVILY WHEEZING, THEY'RE COUGHING. THERE'S A RESPIRATORY, YOU CAN HEAR THE RASPING. WE CANNOT TAKE THOSE. IT'S JUST LIKE A COW AND ANY FOUR LEGGED ANIMAL THAT COMES IN FOR YOUR STATE HAS TO WALK IN ON ITS OWN. IT CANNOT HAVE ASSISTANCE, IT CANNOT LAG, IT CANNOT LIMP. THAT'S THE THING BECAUSE THEY WILL NOT TAKE IT BECAUSE THAT MEANS THERE COULD BE A SICKNESS, AND THAT COULD CONTAMINATE THE PUBLIC. >> I JUST GOT ONE QUESTION FOR THE LIKE RUNOFF OR LIKE INSIDE, IS IT GOING JUST TO ACCEPT THE TANK AND YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO GET IT PUMPED. >> YES. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MUCK TRUCK COME WEEKLY IS WHAT WE'RE FIGURING WITH PROCESSING, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE TWICE A WEEK DURING HUNTING SEASON. >> IF I MAY ASK. CONCERNING THE WEAKNESSES, THE ENTRANCE LOCATION, PARKING, AND INTERNAL CIRCULATION, CAN YOU TELL US HOW THOSE THINGS ARE BEING CORRECTED? >> YES. WHEN YOU PULL INTO THE DRIVEWAY, THERE IS A PULL OFF SECTION THAT IS BEHIND A BUSH THAT WE PLAN TO REMOVE. IF YOU CAN SEE YOUR SIGHT LINES FROM THE ROAD WHEN YOU'RE PULLING OUT, NOBODY WILL BE BACKING ON 58 OR SMITHS FERRY 258. WHEN YOU PULL FORWARD TO COME OUT ONTO SMITHS FERRY, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SEE BOTH SIDES. WE'RE TRIMMING BACK BUSHES, WE'RE REMOVING BUSHES, AND IF THERE HAPPENS TO BE A VEHICLE COMING IN, THEY CAN PULL OFF TO THE SIDE TO COMPLETELY GET OUT OF THE WAY, AND IT WILL BE LARGE ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY HAVE A TRAILER PULL BEHIND IT AND THEN PULL OUT SAFELY. THE FOR PARKING, THERE WILL BE WHERE THEY CAN BACK UP, BUT THEY CAN PULL UP STRAIGHT TO THE HOUSE AND THEN BACK UP COMPLETELY. THERE WILL BE FULL RANGE OF MOTION. ALL OF OUR PERSONAL VEHICLES WILL BE IN THE BACK WHERE NOBODY WILL NEED TO BE EVERYTHING OUT FRONT WILL BE CLEAR. ALL THE VEGETATION WE WILL KEEP BACK. WE ARE PLANNING ON REMOVING A LOT OF VEGETATION AND CUTTING THEM BACK HEAVILY, SO THEY WILL GROW TALLER SO THE SIGHTLINES CAN BE A LOT CLEARER. I KNOW SEVERAL OF YOU ALL HAVE COME BY AND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A SCAP, BUT WE DID RECEIVE IT AND WE DID WALK AROUND, WE HAVE MADE AN EXTENSIVE LIST AND WE WILL BE TACKLING THAT WITHIN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, BECAUSE WE TAKE IT VERY SERIOUSLY. WE REALLY WANT THIS TO PASS. WE REALLY WANT TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY. WE DO TAKE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING INTO CONSIDERABLE CONSIDERATION. >> HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT ENLARGING THE CONCRETE PAD YOU HAVE THERE? >> NO. NOT RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE WE KNOW BASED OFF OF BLUEPRINTS AND THAT WE CAN WE CAN MAKE IT WORK. NO, IT DOESN'T SEEM LARGE. I KNOW IT'S ACTUALLY 30 BY 35 FEET. >> THAT'S BEEN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK SOME OF US HAVE BEEN CONTACTED ABOUT THAT THAT SEEM TO NOT BE LARGE ENOUGH. WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO ENLARGE THAT? >> IF WE NEEDED TWO WE WOULD. >> WELL, I THINK YOU NEED TO. IF YOU NEED TO, I THINK YOU NEED TO GO AHEAD AND DO IT. IF YOU MAKE COMMITMENT TO THAT TONIGHT, I THINK THERE WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM WITH GETTING THIS THING THROUGH. >> WHAT SIZES ARE YOU RECOMMENDING? >> WELL, WHAT IS YOUR SIZE YOU HAVE NOW? >>THIRTY BY 35. >> WHAT IS IT? >> THIRTY BY 35. >> A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET BASE. >> EXCUSE ME. >>A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. >> ONE THOUSAND AND FIFTY SQUARE FEET. >> I'M NOT OPPOSED TO ENLARGING IT BECAUSE I MEAN THEY GOT TO GROW THE BUSINESS TOO. MAYBE WHERE IT'S EXPANDABLE WITH GOOD DOWN THE ROAD? >> WE REALLY DON'T. WE JUST WANT TO JUST BE US AND MAYBE DOWN THE ROAD. ONE OF OUR KIDS WILL TAKE OVER FOR US WHEN WE GET A LITTLE BIT OLDER, BUT THAT'S ABOUT IT. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET RICH OFF THIS. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN OUR COMMUNITY. [00:25:08] BUT WE WILL DO IF YOU REQUEST US, WE WILL MAKE THE PAD LARGER. >> THAT ITEM CAN BE ADDRESSED THROUGH THE SITE PLAN. REVIEW, SHOULD THE PERMIT GET TO THAT POINT TO ALLOW SPACE FOR THE BUILDING TO BE EXPANDED. THERE'S NO OTHER COMPONENTS, THE INCINERATOR, OR OTHER THE WASTEWATER HOLDING TANKS, THOSE ISSUES TO THAT AREA ACCESSIBLE THEY WISH TO EXPAND. >> HAVE YOU IN RELATION TO THAT, HAVE YOU ALREADY ESTABLISHED THE SIZE OF YOUR BUILDING BASED ON THE PAD? >> YES. >> YOU'D HAVE TO REDO THE WHOLE DRAW? >> YES. >> AS WELL. >> WE'D HAVE TO REDO THE HIP PARK, WHICH IS REQUIRED BY THE USDA TO RUN, AND WE'D HAVE TO REDO EVERYTHING BECAUSE WE'RE BASING IT OFF OF BEING THE TWO OF US BECAUSE THEN WE CAN CONTROL IT. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PROCESSORS OR PEOPLE WHO ARE WANTING TO DO PROCESSING. THERE'S IF YOU READ FROM HUNDREDS FROM HUNGARY FROM, I BELIEVE THEY SAID 2018-2022, THEY LOST OVER HALF OF THEIR PROCESSORS. THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND ONE IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY AND I THINK ABOUT 20 YEARS. THERE'S NOT PEOPLE SETTING OUT TO WANT TO DO PROCESSING. FINDING PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO DO THE WORK OR COME DO IT AND DO IT RIGHT BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING THAT COMES THROUGH ISN'T CONTAMINATED, THAT WE MAKE SURE EVERYTHING. THERE IS NO WAY THAT THERE'LL BE A RECALL. BECAUSE WHEN YOU BUY ME AT THE STORE, THERE'S ALL THESE RECALLS. THERE'S ALL THESE CONTAMINATIONS. THERE'S ALL OF THESE ISSUES. WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE OUR HANDS ON IT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS SAFE AND GOOD FOR OUR COMMUNITY. BECAUSE IF WE WOULDN'T FEED IT TO OUR CHILDREN AND OUR FAMILIES, WE DON'T WANT TO GIVE IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE TO EAT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT RIGHT. >> BUT YOU DO HAVE ROOM TO EXPAND YES. THREE QUARTER OF ACRES. >> YES. >> YOU DO HAVE ROOM. >> YES. WE CAN MAKE IT LARGER AS I SAID. HOW LARGE WOULD YOU NEED THE SLAB TO BE TO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE PROCESSING BECAUSE WE'RE WILLING TO BEND AND WORK WITH YOU. EVERYTHING'S ABOUT COMPROMISE, AND I KNOW PROCESSING HAS A LOT OF NEGATIVITY TO AND A LOT OF FEAR TO IT. BUT THE COUNTY REALLY NEEDS IT, LIKE THE RESIDENTS AND THAT THEY ALL REALLY NEED IT. WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH. ALL TELL US WHAT YOU WANT, BECAUSE WE WILL WORK WITH YOU. WE WILL GO ABOVE AND BEYOND TO MEET YOUR EXPECTATIONS BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING WE ARE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT, AND WE REALLY WANT PAST TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY. >> THANK YOU. >> DID YOU SAY YOU'VE ALREADY RECEIVED APPROVAL FROM THE USDA? >> YES. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR THREE YEARS. >> FOR YOU THE SIZE OF YOUR BUILDING. >> YES. >> WOULD YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO THEM. >> EVERYTHING WOULD HAVE TO START ALL THE WAY BACK OVER. THAT'S GOING TO TAKE ABOUT A YEAR TO GET THEM TO DO EVERYTHING AND TO AGREE TO EVERYTHING. >> THEN IF YOU DECIDED IF WE APPROVED IT AS IS, YOU COULD EXPAND LATER, BUT YOU WOULD GO BACK TO THE USDA AND ASK. >> BUT IT WOULD ALREADY BE ON FILE, SO THEY WOULD WORK WITH US WITH EXPANSIONS AND WHAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR IT? >> THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, TO FOR THAT TO THAT MR. RANDALL. >> NOT NECESSARILY. THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WOULD OUTLINE THE ZONING ESTABLISHES THE USES ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY AND PER THE ZONING, IT WOULD REQUIRE THE CONDITIONAL USE STATES THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE ATTACHED WITH THAT. IF THE BUILDING WERE TO BE EXPANDED, IT WOULD NOT HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AS LONG AS IT'S MAINTAINED ON THAT THREE QUARTER ACRE SITE AND MEETS THE, TECHNICAL ZONING SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT. >> LONG AS THE INTENT AND ITS SERVICE THEY PROVIDED IT STAYS THE SAME. IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK. >> THAT'S WHY THIS APPLICATION IS LIMITED TO JUST THAT THREE QUARTER ACRE. THE CONDITIONS WITH THE EMPLOYEE'S HOURS OPERATION TO KEEP IT A MICRO-PROCESSING FACILITY, WHERE IF IT WERE TO GROW AND EXPAND, IT WOULD ONLY BE TO A SMALL DEGREE. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I GOT ONE. YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE ANIMALS COMING IN AND WALKING. ALL ARE REQUIRING ANY ANIMALS TO COME IN TO BE PROCESSED, I GOT TO COME IN ALIVE. >> YEAH. AS LONG AS IT'S NOT FOR DEER SEASON, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT WILD GAME. IT HAS TO COME IN ALIVE. >> I KNOW THERE'S ONE IN CAROLINA THAT THEY WANT THE CATTLE OR WHATEVER TO COME IN ALREADY KILLED. DOES USDA REQUIRE THAT IT COME ALIVE? >> BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THE ANIMAL AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT EXHIBITING ANY SIGNS OF PRYHON DISEASES OR ANYTHING THAT'S OFF. THEY THEY OBSERVE IT FOR ABOUT 15 MINUTES BEFORE WE DISPATCH IT. [00:30:05] >> YOU'RE ABLE TO PULL THE ANYTHING OUT OF CAROLINA, BECAUSE I SAW YOU RIGHT ON THE STATE LINE. WHAT COMES IN WILD GAME OR CATTLE OR WHATEVER? >> IF IT'S CAROLINA AS WE IT CAN AS LONG AS. IF IT'S WILD GAME, IT HAS TO FOLLOW WHAT DWR OF VIRGINIA REQUIRES, WHICH MEANS IF IT'S DEER, IT CAN'T HAVE A SPINE, IT CAN'T HAVE A HEAD ATTACHED. IT ALL HAS TO BE DEBOND. BUT IF IT'S IF IT'S A DOMESTIC, IT CAN. BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE LIKE VERY TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT WORD. LIKE, WE HAVE TO HAVE A COPY OF THE DRIVER'S LICENSE, THAT HAS TO BE VERY STRICT RECORD. THERE WE GO. >> THE GAME COMMISSION, WILL THEY DO SPOT CHECKS WITH A ONCE IN A WHILE? >> THEY DID THIS YEAR. EVERYTHING'S GOT TO BE TAGGED PROPERLY. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING? >> YES. >> MAKE SURE SOMEBODY IS NOT TRYING TO BRING SOMETHING IN ON UNDER THE RADAR? >> YES. WE HAD THEM STOPPED BY TWICE THIS YEAR. IT WAS EVERYTHING WAS GOOD. WE WORK WITH THEM ANYTIME I HAVE A QUESTION, I JUST CALL THEM UP AND MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE. >> YOU MENTIONED ABOUT KANGAROO, I NEVER HEARD OF THAT, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WOULD FALL UNDER A SPECIAL PERMIT? I WAS THINKING ABOUT THERE. THAT'S BECOMING AN ISSUE. >> AS LONG AS IT HAS A TAG THAT IS ISSUED BY THE STATE FOR A BEAR AND YOU HAVE A HUNTER'S LICENSE FOR IT, WE CAN TAKE IT. >> WHEN YOU SOMEBODY BRING THE IF SOMEBODY BRINGS IN SOMETHING AND DROPS IT OFF AND YOU'RE NOT THERE. HOW DOES THAT WORK? >> THAT'S ONLY FOR A WILD GAME THAT'S ALLOWED TO DO. IF THEY DROP WE WILL HAVE CAMERAS THAT'S REQUIRED. IF SOMEBODY'S DROPPING OFF A WILD GAME, THERE WILL BE A COOLER FOR DEER, BUT YOU CAN'T PUT BEAR MIR, AND THERE'LL BE CAMERAS, AND I GET A TRIGGER TO IT FROM MY PHONE. IF SOMEBODY'S PULLING A BEAR INTO THERE, I WILL BE PULLING UP BEING, LIKE, WHY IS THERE A BEAR MIRROR? >> WELL, AND I GUESS I'M THINKING THAT YOU NEED THE ID TO HUNT LIGHT ALL OF THAT. YOU GOT TO HAVE A PROCESS. >> THERE WILL BE A GATE ON THE ENTRANCE WAY SO THAT WAY, NO ONE CAN JUST DRIVE UP WHENEVER THEY WANT. THEY WILL BE MONITORED AS THEY COME IN. NOW, I'VE PULLED UP GOOGLE. I SEE ALL HAVE A NEIGHBOR RIGHT BEHIND YOU, BUT THE DRIVEWAY IS IN CAROLINA? >> YES. >> BUT THE HOUSE IS ACTUALLY? YES. >> YES. >> BUT DO THEY HAVE A CAROLINA ADDRESS BECAUSE OF THE MAILBOX? >> IT'S FRANKLIN. >> IS IT? >> I THINK OF SOMETHING ELSE. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, PLEASE ADES? >> THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. >> I'M ASKING IF ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO COME AND OFFER ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THE FACILITY FOR THIS APPLICATION? YES, SIR. COME FORWARD, PLEASE. WE'RE GOING TO ASK YOU YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS JUST FOR THE RECORD. >> THANK YOU, SIR. MY NAME IS [NOISE] CHRISTIAN LEEDS. ADDRESS 508 CALEB DRIVE, CHESAPEAKE, VIRGINIA. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK TONIGHT BRIEFLY. I WANTED TO SAY I'M EXTREMELY IMPRESSED WITH THE WORK THAT THEY PUT IN [NOISE] TO FIND OUT ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO DO TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. RIGHT NOW WE KNOW PEOPLE ARE HUNGRY. IT'S A STRUGGLE EVERY DAY. MY JOB AND [INAUDIBLE] I'M THE DIRECTOR OF PRODUCT SOURCING. THE JOB IS TO WORK WITH AS LITTLE MONEY AS WE CAN TO FEED AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE CAN. IN THE EASTERN SHORE, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH HUNTERS FOR THE HUNGRY. THIS YEAR ALONE, THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE OVER 3,000 MEALS TO INDIVIDUALS ON THE EASTERN SHORE. WE SEE THAT OPPORTUNITY HERE. I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN PAST WITH PROCESSORS AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, BUT I WANT TO THINK ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY THAT WE HAVE ALSO TO FEED AS MANY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY AS WE CAN. WITH A VERY LEAN PROTEIN THAT IS FREE OF CHARGE, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. WE ALSO LOOK AT WAYS WHERE WE HAVE DONORS WHO ARE MEMBERS OF HUNT CLUBS IN THIS AREA, WHO ARE EXCITED ABOUT AN OPPORTUNITY LIKE THIS IN THE AREA. WE'VE ALSO ALREADY GOTTEN SOME TALK AND JUST SOME MEETINGS LINED UP WITH PEOPLE IN THE EASTERN SHORE DONORS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND HERE AND WAITING TO HEAR. HEY, HOW COULD THIS WORK OUT FOR SOUTHAMPTON? RIGHT NOW, CURRENTLY, THE EGG PRICES, $8 A DOZEN. WE SEE THAT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT AT THAT COST. WAYS WE DO THAT IS STRENGTHEN OUR REGIONAL FOOD SYSTEM. THIS IS ONE OF THE WAYS TO DO THAT. STRENGTHEN UP OUR REGION AND REALLY TAKE CARE OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE AROUND HERE. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. I WANTED TO COME UP TO SUPPORT THEM, [00:35:01] AND I HOPE THIS THING CAN GO THROUGH. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE TO COME FORWARD. >> GOOD EVENING. >> GOOD EVENING MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US TODAY. CHARLES BAZDANES, 23076 CHURCH STREET, CAPRON, VIRGINIA. I'M JOINED BY OUR CEO REVEREND HARRIS, I'M THE FOUNDER OF FAMILY4ETERNITY. >> MY NAME IS BARBARA HARRIS. MY ADDRESS IS 24270 DELAWARE ROAD, FRANKLIN. >> FIRST, I'D JUST LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS BOARD. I'D LIKE TO GIVE PRAISE TO THE WONDERFUL BRIEFING YOU GAVE AS FAR AS WHAT THEY'RE DOING. TO DATE, WE'VE ISSUED OVER 190,000 POUNDS OF FOOD TO OVER 20,000 PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTY ALONE, RIGHT OUT OF CAPRON, VIRGINIA AND PINE LEVEL BAPTIST CHURCH. WHAT VERONICA HAS DONE WITH SERENITY ACRES AND THE FOOD THAT THEY'VE PROCESSED FROM THE HUNTERS FOR HUNGARY, JUST TO GIVE YOU GUYS A FEW STATISTICS THAT I DID SOME RESEARCH ON. SINCE 1991, 32.6 MILLION SERVINGS HAS BEEN GIVEN BY HUNTERS FOR HUNGARY. SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY HAS GOTTEN ZERO OF THOSE. WE'VE NEVER HAD A NOT FOR PROFIT IN THIS AREA. BE ABLE TO ACCEPT THAT KIND OF MEAT. IT'S NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE. SINCE WE INITIATED OUR NOT FOR PROFIT, CHRISTIAN WHO'S WITH THE FOOD BANK OF SOUTHEASTERN, VIRGINIA, AS WELL AS TERRY HAVE BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN BRINGING AWARENESS IN THIS BRUTAL FIGHT AGAINST HUNGER. TODAY ALONE, WE WERE GIVEN 600 DOZEN EGGS TO DISTRIBUTE TO OVER 500 PEOPLE TODAY. OUR DAY JUST WOUND-UP UP HERE, BUT SPECIFICALLY, THE MEAT THAT THEY'VE GIVEN US VACUUM SEALED THAT THEY'VE PROCESSED FROM THE HUNTERS FOR HUNGARY, WE GET JUST SO MUCH PRAISE ABOUT WOW. WHERE DID THIS COME FROM? THIS IS SOMETHING NEW THAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED AND OUR FOLKS THAT COME THROUGH OUR LINES. WE SERVE 5,000 PEOPLE MONTHLY, ALMOST OVER A LITTLE OVER 1,200 PEOPLE A WEEK, AND WE ARE CURRENTLY SERVING OVER 600 FAMILIES IN THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY AREA. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO SERENITY ACRES FOR BEING SUCH A MASSIVE IMPACT TO HELP OUR FOLKS AND TO THE FOOD BANK OF SOUTHEASTERN, VIRGINIA FOR HELPING THESE RESIDENTS HERE WHO ARE SUFFERING AND FACING POVERTY. OUR AVERAGE INCOME OF FAMILIES THAT COME THROUGH OUR LINES ARE UNDER THE 10,000-$15,000 SALARY. THEY'RE STRUGGLING REAL BAD. REVEREND HARRIS, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADDRESS TO THE BOARD? >> YES. WE ARE TRYING TO DO OUR BEST TO FEED THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN NEED. EVERYBODY IN NEED SOME WAY OR ANOTHER. OUR MISSION IS TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE HAVE FOOD ON THEIR TABLE FOR THEIR CHILDREN. BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE CHILDRENS GO HUNGRY BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE FOOD. BUT IF WE CAN GET THE FOOD AND GIVE TO THEM TO HAVE ON THE TABLE FOR THEIR CHEW, THAT'D BE A PLEASING SITE AND IT'D BE A HELP FOR THE PARENTS AND WHATNOT. >> [NOISE] SORRY, I'M DEAF IN ONE EAR. I WOULD JUST CLOSE WITH THE BOARD TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AND REPRESENT THE FINE RESIDENTS OF THIS COUNTY AND TO FIGHT HUNGER. JUST TO REMIND VERY POLITELY, SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY HAS NEVER RECEIVED MEATS FROM HUNTERS FOR HUNGARY. I THINK I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR MILLIONS OF POUNDS THEY SERVE ANNUALLY, BUT THIS WILL BE A REAL GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE FINE RESIDENTS OF THIS COUNTY. WE'D LIKE TO SUPPORT SERENITY ACRES. WE'D LIKE TO VOTE, YES, RESPECTFULLY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU BOTH. >> ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME FORWARD? LAST CALL. I'M GOING TO CLOSE TO HEARING. I'M GOING TO ASK THE BOARD [INAUDIBLE] ENTERTAIN ANY DISCUSSION. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? >> WELL, I THINK THEY'VE ANSWERED ALL THE QUESTIONS AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, THE CONCERNS I HAD HAVE BEEN ANSWERED, SO I WOULD RECOMMEND WE GO WITH IT. >> SECOND IT. >> GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. >> JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, MR. CHAIRMAN, [00:40:02] THE MOTION WOULD BE TO APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGE FOR THE 0.75 ACRES, AND TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WITH THE CONDITIONS 1-9 NOTED WITH THE 7:00-7:00 HOURS EXTENDED DURING THE DEER HUNTING SEASON. >> THE NINE O'CLOCK, IS THAT CORRECT? >> 7:00-9:00. >> REGULAR PROCESSING 7:00 AM-7:00 PM. DURING DEER HUNTING SEASON FROM 7:00 AM-9:00 PM. >> THAT'S SIX DAYS A WEEK, CORRECT? >> YES. SIX DAYS A WEEK. >> THERE IS ONE THING I'D LIKE TO BRING, SO WE VOTE ON IT. I GET BACK TO THE CONDITIONS HERE AND I BROUGHT THIS UP A WHILE AGO ABOUT THE INCINERATOR. BUT THE CATCH THAT I SEE BESIDE THE INCINERATOR IT SAYS INDUSTRIAL PUBLIC. NOW, I KNOW THE INTENT HERE, WHAT IS FOR. BUT I CAN'T HELP BUT REMEMBER WHAT MR. BYRON USED TO SAY. ONCE YOU DO A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND ONCE IT'S ON PAPER, WHAT'S IN INK IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO LIVE BY. I'M WONDERING IF IT'S SOME WAY THAT WE CAN BESIDE THIS INCINERATOR THAT WE PUT THAT IT CAN BE NO BIGGER THAN WHAT WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR A FULL GROWN BULL OR BEAR. BECAUSE THEY'RE PROBABLY THE BIGGEST ITEMS THAT I COULD THINK OF AND THAT THIS WOULD BE JUST FOR ANIMAL INCINERATION, NOT FOR INDUSTRIAL WASTE. RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S GOT THE WORDS INDUSTRIAL THE OTHER SIDE OF IT. >> CAN WE ASK THE APPLICANT COME BACK AND SEE IF THEY WOULD AGREE TO THAT CHANGE. >> THAT WOULD BE FINE. >> WE CAN MODIFY ALL MOTION. >> THAT WOULD BE FINE. I JUST LIKE. >> I'M GOING TO ASK IF THE APPLICANT WILL COME BACK FORWARD. YOU'RE ASKING, PRETTY MUCH, MR. MAN TO DROP THE INDUSTRIAL WARE TERMINOLOGY. >> WE MIGHT NEED TO GUIDE US FROM J, BUT I GUESS MY THING IS THERE ANY REASON THAT YOU ALL WOULD NEED INDUSTRIAL? >> NO. IT SHOULD NOT NEED TO BE INDUSTRIAL. >> I WOULDN'T THINK IT WOULD. I ASKED ABOUT THE SIZE WHILE AGO BECAUSE IN MY MIND, I WOULD THINK IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S SICK, INSTEAD OF ME TAKING THE TIME TO CUT IT UP, JUST PUT THE OLD ANIMAL IN THAT SAVES TIME. >> YES, SIR. >> BUT THE COST OF IT MIGHT BE. >> IT'S VERY SIGNIFICANT. >> I FIGURED THAT TOO. BUT IT ALLOWS THEM TO, I HAVEN'T INCINERATED BIG ENOUGH TO DO A GROWN BULL OR GROWN BEAR AND LIMIT THE SIZE TO THAT AND RESTRICT IT TO ANIMAL WASTE. IF THAT'S FINE WITH YOU ALL. I DON'T KNOW INDUSTRIAL OR PUBLIC. I JUST LIKE TO DROP BOTH OF IT, REALLY. >> WE CAN AGREE WITH THAT. ABSOLUTELY. >> WE HAVE A MOTION WE NEED TO VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION FIRST, CORRECT, MR. ARNOLD? >> YOU HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE 0.75 ACRES TO CONDITIONAL GENERAL INDUSTRIAL AND TO INCLUDE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WITH ITEMS 1-9, AND YOU MAY WISH TO INCLUDE NUMBER 10 TO STATE THE SIZE OF THE INCINERATOR NOT TO EXCEED THE SIZE OF THE ANIMAL, NOT TO BE PUBLIC OR INDUSTRIAL. >> PROBABLY WE'LL MAKE IT A FOOT INSTEAD OF USING AN ANIMAL. I THINK IT'S AN AMBIGUOUS TERM. ONLY ONE INCINERATOR, NO LARGER THAN 10 FOOT? >> YEAH. >> I WOULD USE MEASUREMENT. I WOULDN'T SAY A LARGE BULL OR A BIG BEAR. NO LARGER THAN 10 FOOT, 10 BY 10, I WOULD SAY. THAT OKAY? >> YEAH. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. PLEASURE. >> THANK YOU. >> NO INDUSTRIAL AND NO PUBLIC. >> IT'S A 10 BY 10 INCINERATOR, WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM. >> NOW DO WE NEED TO AMEND THE ORIGINAL MOTION? >> NO, SIR. IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, SO YOU ARE ALLOWED TO IMPOSE CONDITIONS OR ATTACH CONDITIONS TO THE APPLICATION TO HELP ENSURE THE HEALTH SAFETY AND GENERAL WELL BEING OF THAT. >> IS WHEN YOU GET PROCEDURAL CORRECT. >> YES. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THE MOTION WITH THE AMENDMENTS? BEING DONE, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR OF WILLING TO RECOMMEND THIS ZONING AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED, LIKE SAME. PASS UNANIMOUSLY, MR. RANDOLPH. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR COMMENTS ON THAT. WE'LL MOVE DO TO OUR SECOND PUBLIC HEARING. MR. RANDOLPH, AGAIN, I'LL LET YOU READ THAT APPLICATION, PLEASE. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. [00:45:02] THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING YOU HAVE THIS EVENING IS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION 2025-02, AN APPLICATION BY MITCHELL B GRAY AND ALEX J GRAY OWNERS, REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A 155 ACRE PARCEL FOR THE PURPOSE OF A BORROW PIT FOR SAND EXTRACTION. THE PROPERTY IS ZONED A1, AGRICULTURAL, AND IS IDENTIFIED AS TAX PARCEL 118-31. THE PARCEL IS LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF SMITHS FERRY ROAD, US ROUTE 258, APPROXIMATELY 450 FEET NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION WITH FORKS OF THE RIVER ROAD, ROUTE 687, AND IS IN THE SOUTHEAST VOTING DISTRICT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR J BEFORE WE PROCEED? MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST HAVE ONE NOTE IN YOUR PLANNING REPORT. THERE ARE SOME REFERENCES UNDER THE CONDITIONAL USE CONDITIONS THAT REFER TO THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF MINES MINERAL AND ENERGY. THAT DEPARTMENT IS NOW KNOWN AS THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY OR JUST VIRGINIA ENERGY, AND IT'S THE DIVISION OF MINING AND MINERALS. THEY HAVE NAMED THE DEPARTMENT. ANY OF THE REFERENCES TO THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF MINES MINERAL AND ENERGY SHOULD BE REVISED TO REFLECT THE NEW NAME FOR THAT DEPARTMENT. >> MR. MAN, YOU HAD ASKED EARLIER. I KNOW I'M GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF, BUT I GUESS YOU WILL NOT BE QUESTIONING. >> WELL I WANT TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM VOTING ON THIS. [OVERLAPPING] >> WE'LL MAKE THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE CLOSING OF THE HEARING. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS J? IF NOT, I'LL ON A PUBLIC HEARING. I'M GOING TO ASK I SEE THE APPLICANTS FOR HERE. I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO ASK. THE APPLICANTS WILL COME FORWARD FIRST, AND THEN ANYONE ELSE CAN FOLLOW. >> GOOD EVENING. I'M ALEX GRAY. >> JAMES GRACE, MY BROTHER, MITCHELL BRANNON GRAY. WE'RE REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION BEING APPROVED FOR A NEW MINING LOCATION FOR OUR BUSINESS FOR THE PURPOSE OF EXTRACTION OF SAND MINERALS MINING. WE CURRENTLY DO HAVE AN OPERATION IN THE CORTLAND AREA OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. WE'VE BEEN IN THIS AREA FOR 20 YEARS COMBINED WITH THE TIDEWATER AREA AS WELL AS SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. WE DO THE PURPOSE OF CONSTRUCTION ROAD BUILDING, AND WE NEED THIS MATERIAL TO CONTINUE OUR BUSINESS GOING FORWARD. TO START THE ACRES, THE LAND THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING IS 65 ACRES OF 149 ACRE. I KNOW IT SAYS 150, BUT WE HAVE A NEW PLOT THAT WE JUST RECEIVED TODAY, AND I'M GOING TO GIVE THIS TO YOU GUYS A SHOW IF YOU WANT. WELL, I GUESS I GOT SMALLER ONES, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT. THIS WAS DONE BY CAST CAMP HERE RECENTLY AND IT SHOWS THE TOTAL ACREAGE. IT'S TWO PARCELS THAT WE OWN WE OWN THE BACK PARCEL, AS WELL AS THE FRONT PARCEL THAT IT COMES OUT TO SMITHS FERRY ROAD OR 258. THE AREA WE'RE LOOKING TO PERMIT AND MINE WOULD BE IN THE FRONT AREA, THE 149 ACRES OF WOOD HAD CUTOVER. IF YOU DO LOOK IN THE PACKET, YOU'LL SEE WHERE WE HAVE IT SECTIONED OFF WHERE WE'RE LOOKING TO PROPOSE MINING AREA. IT WOULD BE LOCATED IN THE CENTER OF THAT PROPERTY WITH 100-200 FEET OF WOODED AS WELL AS EARTHEN BUFFER, FOR LINE OF SITE. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS CREATING A NEW ENTRANCE. CURRENTLY, THE ENTRANCE IS ON DANIEL DRIVE. WE HAVE TALKED TO JASON FOWLER HAS HAS GIVEN US A GREEN LIGHT ON IT. WE HAVE NOT APPLIED FOR THAT YET, BUT WE HAVE TALKED TO HIM AND HE HAS GIVEN US HIS BLESSING TO TRY TO APPLICATE FOR THAT. WE HAVE DONE A SURVEY SHOWS A LINE OF SIGHT FROM [00:50:02] THAT NEW PROPOSED ENTRANCE BOTH WAYS SOUTH AND NORTH ON SMITHS FERRY. WE HAVE AT LEAST 500 FEET OF LINE OF SIGHT. LOOKING IN BOTH DIRECTIONS. YES, I BELIEVE IT'S 100 FEET OF ENTRANCE THAT WE WERE PROPOSING TO ACCESS THE PROPERTY ON THE ROAD FRONT. >> DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING? >> I WANT TO SEE IF THEY HAD ANY QUESTIONS. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME OR FOR US? >> ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE PANEL? >> WHAT WOULD BE A LONGEVITY OF THIS PIT? I KNOW IT DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH SAND YOU PULL OUT OF THE BUSINESS WILES, EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT IS THIS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING LAST? ONE IN HANCOCK'S CLASS, WAS THAT? >> THAT ONE, WE'RE GOING ON EIGHT YEARS, NINE YEARS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> HOW BIG WAS THAT ONE? >> THAT'S 30 ACRES. THIS IS A 60 ACRES, SO MAYBE 16 YEARS ROUGHLY, IF THE SAND RUNS THE SAME. I'M 40-YEARS-OLD. HE'S 43, 44 [OVERLAPPING]. THIS WOULD PROBABLY BE OUR LAST PROJECT AS FAR AS TO GET US TO THE FINISH LINE IN RETIREMENT, HOPEFULLY. BUT YEAH, WE PLAN ON CONTINUING TO KEEP THE BACK PARCEL AS IT IS, IN NATURAL STATE FOR HUNTING AND FOR WILDLIFE. THAT BACK PARCEL IS ON THE RIVER, THE BLACKWATER RIVER. AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S PLENTY OF BUFFER BETWEEN THERE. IT'S 140 ACRE IN THE BACK THAT WILL REMAIN AS IT IS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> OVER HERE. YES. YOU INDICATE YOU HAVE SAFEGUARDS FOR PROTECTING THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY AND PEOPLE AND WHAT BUFFER AREA? >> ON THE SOUTH END, THERE IS A CREEK. WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE CREEK. IT'S CYPRESS CREEK. >> SWAMP >> CYPRESS SWAMP. THERE'S A SWAMP BETWEEN US AND THE ADJOINING LAND OWNER THAT DIVIDES THE PROPERTY FROM SMITHS FERRY ALL THE WAY TO THE RIVER. THERE'S NO ACCESS FROM THAT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNER TO ACCESS THE PROPERTY LINE IS THE RIGHT AWAY, THE DANIELS DRIVE RIGHT AWAY. WE INTEND TO KEEP A 200 FOOT WOODED BUFFER WITH LOBLOLLY PINES AS WELL AS EARTH AND BERM TO PROTECT IT UNTIL RECLAMATION. WE WE INTEND TO RECLAMATE AND JUST BECOME A LEISURE POND, RECREATIONAL POND AT THE END, WHERE WE STOCK. SAME AS WE HAVE IN OUR CORTLAND PIT, WE RECLAMATE ALL OUR SITES AS WE GO. WE DON'T LEAVE IT FOR SOMEBODY ELSE OR WE DON'T LEAVE IT OPEN. WE RECLAMATE AS WE MINE. I ENCOURAGE ANYBODY TO TAKE A RIDE AND LOOK AT THE PIT WE CURRENTLY HAVE OPEN. WE'VE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, BEGAN STOCKING IT WITH FISH AND THERE'S WILDLIFE THERE THAT'S ABUNDANT AND YOU SEE IT EVERY DAY. IT'S REALLY NICE. WE INTEND TO CONTINUE THAT TO MAYBE GIVE BACK LATER IN OUR LIVES TO ALLOW RECREATION ONCE LINING IS COMPLETED. >> I NOTICED THE RESIDENTIAL AREA THERE, CURIOSITY, WHICH YOU HAVE WETLANDS ALL AROUND. >> THE NEW THE NEW MAP ACTUALLY SHOWS WHERE THE, I CALL IT A FAULT LINE. >> [OVERLAPPING] THE LOW LAND. >> THE PEAK.. >> THEY'LL STAY OFF OF THAT 200 FEET. WOOD UNDISTURBED, THAT'S WHERE WE GOING BACK INTO PINE PLANTATION. >> THERE'S HARDWOOD WHICH IS INSIDE THE SWAMP AREA, WHICH CONSISTS OF CYPRESS AND OTHER HARDWOOD SPECIES. WE TEND TO KEEP THAT FOR DURATION, WE DO NOT INTEND TO HARVEST OR DO ANY TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION OR DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA. THAT HAS TO REMAIN AS IT IS. >> WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO KEEP EVERYTHING JUST OUTSIDE OF THE MINING AREA BACK IN FOREST STATE. >> YES. THAT'S CORRECT. THE PRIOR OWNERS HAD ALREADY LOGGED THIS AREA. AS IT WAS CURRENTLY TO BE REPLANTED IN, I THINK IT'S MARCH IS WHEN THEY HAD IT TO BE REPLANTED IN LOBLOLLY PINES, [00:55:05] AND THAT'S STILL THE CASE. THEY'RE GOING TO REPLANT IT. THAT WAS A PART OF OUR AGREEMENT WHEN WE PURCHASED IT. THEN WE WOULD JUST CLEAR THE AREA IN WHICH WE WILL BE CURRENTLY MINING. AT THE TIME, THE TREES WOULD CONTINUE TO GROW AS WE MINE SO THE BUFFER WOULD CONTINUE TO GROW AS IN THE AREAS THAT WERE NOT MINING. >> BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO BE REALLY INTENT ON TRYING TO GET ACROSS THE SWAMP AREA IN A PLANTED BUFFER ZONE. BUT IT IS JUST ALWAYS THINKING ABOUT THE SAFETY. >> YES, MA'AM. WE INTEND TO KEEP IT AS IT IS. THERE'S A BEAVER POND IN THAT SWAMP AREA, TOO. THERE'S THAT AS WELL. I ENCOURAGE ANYBODY WHO'S QUESTIONING, WE WOULD BE WILLING TO TAKE THEM AND AND SHOW THEM ON SITE IF THEY'D LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHAT OUR INTENTS ARE. AS FAR AS OUR REPUTATION, MY FATHER, MICKEY, IS IN CHARGE OF MINING. HE RUNS THE PIT DAILY, AND HE'S BEEN AWARDED SEVERAL AWARDS FROM PAUL SAUNDERS WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF MINES AND MINERALS FOR RECLAMATION AND DOING THE RIGHT THING, IS WHAT THEY WOULD SAY, IS MAKING SURE THAT NO CONTAMINANTS REACH WATERWAYS AND PARKING AND KEEPING VEHICLES SAFE AS WELL AS KEEPING BERMS AND BUFFERS IN PLACE. AS WELL AS NO CONTAMINANTS REACHING OUTSIDE SOURCES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> ANY QUESTIONS? >> I'VE GOT A QUICK QUESTION, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO, THIS EXHIBIT YOU GAVE ME AND I'M PICKING ON EXHIBITS 7. >> THAT'S FINE. >> WHAT IS A RESERVE MINING AREA? >> THE WHOLE TOTAL PARCEL HERE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS 65 ACRES. THE INITIAL MINING AREA IS ONLY 15. >> THE ENTIRE AREA IS 65.5 TO BE MINED. >> THAT'S CORRECT. [OVERLAPPING] THE AREA WITHIN THE BLUE LINE IS 65 ACRES. THE PINK SHADED AREA, THAT'S 20 ACRES. >> THIS WOULD BE PHASE 1 AND PHASE 2? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> WE ARE STARTING IN THE CENTER AND FURTHEST AWAY. >> THAT'S WHAT I FIGURED, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD IT. >> ALSO THE RESERVE MINING AREA WILL BE STAGING FOR SAND PILES AND FOR LOADING THE TRUCKS. NOT THE WHOLE AREA OF MINING AREA WILL BE TECHNICALLY MINED. >> IT'S GOING TO TAKE YEARS TO EXPAND OUT. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> THAT'S ALL I HAD, AND I FIGURED THAT WAS THE ANSWER, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE. >> IT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'VE DONE ON THE HANCOCK? >> YES, MA'AM. >> IT LOOKS LIKE THAT? >> YES, MA'AM. >> IT'LL BE TREES ON THE OUTSIDE AND [OVERLAPPING] SLOW DOWN VEHICLE OF TRAFFIC OR FOOT TRAFFIC? >> AS WELL AS THE SOUND BARRIER. WE INTEND AND ALSO ANY TRESPASSING, IT'LL DISCOURAGE THAT AS WELL WHILE WE'RE IN MINING PHASE. LAST OF WHAT WE WANT IS SOMEBODY TO COME IN AND GET HURT OVER THERE. IT DISCOURAGES PEOPLE. >> YOU'RE ADOPTING THE CONDITIONAL USE RECOMMENDATIONS? >> WE JUST GOT THESE RIGHT AT GO TIME. I WAS LOOKING IT OVER. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING WHERE IT REALLY STANDS OUT. I'M ASSUMING THAT THE ITEM NUMBER 8 WITH SIX O'CLOCK TO SEVEN O'CLOCK IS A STANDARD LIST ITEM, YOU GUYS, I GUESS YOU PUT THAT ON THE LAST ONE, SO I WAS JUST LOOKING AS FAR AS YOUR PARAMETERS. I DON'T FORESEE IT REALLY GOING PAST THAT. BUT IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE WHERE WE NEEDED TO, IS THERE A CONDITION DID I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE THAT REMOVED OR A DIFFERENT PARAMETER? BECAUSE WE TYPICALLY START 6:30 IN THE MORNING IS AT OUR SHOP. NOT SAYING THAT WE WOULD TECHNICALLY BE MINING AT 6:30, BUT THAT'S OUR BUSINESS HOURS. >> I WOULD ASSUME THIS, THEY LOOK VERY SIMILAR TO THE ONES THAT I'VE SEEN BEFORE. I GUESS THESE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS. [OVERLAPPING] I DON'T KNOW IT BECAUSE I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE. >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LAST ONE THAT CAME THROUGH HAD AS FAR AS BUSINESS HOURS, BUT IF THEY ARE THE HOURS IN WHICH YOU SET WITH THEM, WE'RE OKAY WITH IT TOO. >> DO YOU ANTICIPATE HAVING TO GO AFTER 7:00 PM. HAVE YOU HAD THAT HAPPEN? >> NOT EXCEPT FOR IF WE DO RECREATION HUNTING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, [01:00:02] WE NEED TO ACCESS THROUGH THE GATE AS FAR AS FOR BETWEEN US PERSONALLY GOING IN AND OUT THERE, BUT I DON'T FORESEE ANY TRUCK DRIVING IN OR OUT OF THERE. >> I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE INTENT. I THINK [OVERLAPPING] YOU CAN GO HUNTING. >> JUST MINING PAST 7:00? >> IT'S JUST THE MINING OPERATIONS >> WE AREN'T CURRENTLY MINING PAST SEVEN O'CLOCK AT THE CURRENT SITE WE ARE, SO I DON'T FORESEE US DOING THAT. >> ONE TIME WE DID TAG ON SOMETHING THAT IF VDOT HAD AN EMERGENCY SITUATION. >> THAT IS CORRECT, MR. MAN. WE DO SUPPLY SAND FOR VDOT AND FOR THE CITY OF SUFFOLK, AS WELL AS CITY OF CHESAPEAKE AND CITY OF FRANKLIN FOR SNOW TRACTION PURPOSES. IF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY AND THEY DO CALL FOR IT, IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN PUT IN HERE, I GUESS, IF THEY WERE TO CALL FOR EMERGENCY SITUATION TO REPLENISH? AS OF TODAY, I THINK WE GOT TO CALL FOR THE CITY OF SUFFOLK TO SUPPLY THEM WITH SAND. FOR NEXT WEEK, IT IS LOOKING LIKE 3-6 INCHES OF SNOW NEXT WEEK. BUT THEY DO TYPICALLY GIVE US SOME HEADS UP, BUT THERE IS A CHANCE WHERE WE HAVE A FREEZE EVENT WHERE IT WOULD CAUSE US TO HAVE TO WORK OUTSIDE THOSE PARAMETERS. >> YOU'D BE AGREE [OVERLAPPING] NUMBER 11 TO ADD HOURS CAN BE EXTENDED [OVERLAPPING] FOR EMERGENCY SITUATIONS? >> THAT WOULD BE PERFECT IF YOU COULD DO THAT FOR US. >> I THINK THE [INAUDIBLE] PLACE IN [INAUDIBLE] HAS THE SAME THING WITH HURRICANE, AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THAT'S ONE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS AND IT'S ALSO FOR THE PUBLIC NEED. >> THAT'S RIGHT. I DO WANT TO EXTEND THAT WE DO DO A LOT OF CHARITABLE DONATIONS TO THE COMMUNITY. WE DONATE TO [INAUDIBLE] AS WELL AS DIFFERENT CHURCH ORGANIZATIONS AND VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND FOR FUND DRIVES AS WELL AS RAFFLES. WE DO A LOT OF SAND DONATIONS AND TOP SOIL IN THE COMMUNITY. WE TRY TO DO WHAT WE CAN. >> WHAT WOULD CONSTITUTE AN EMERGENCY? WHAT'S YOUR DEFINITION OF THAT? >> WE HAVE STANDING CONTRACTS WITH VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, FOR SUPPLYING SAND MATERIAL FOR ROAD TRACTION TO MIX IN WITH THEIR SALT MATERIAL. THERE WOULD BE A POINT WHERE THEY WOULD RUN OUT OF MATERIAL OVER DURATION OF 24 HOURS, AND THEY MAY NEED EMERGENCY LOADS DELIVERED TO THEIR LOCATIONS TO CONTINUE TO SUPPLY TO PLACE ON THE ROADS, SO THEY WOULD CALL US AND WE WOULD HAVE TO BE RESPONSIVE WITHIN 12 HOURS, I BELIEVE IT IS. >> WE FALL SAND FOR SNOW EVENTS AS FAR AS CREW AND AS FAR AS VIRGINIA BEACH. >> YEAH. WE DO HAUL FOR VDOT QUITE A BIT. WE HAVE HAULED AS FAR AS CREW FOR VIRGINIA. NOT NECESSARILY WOULD THE EVENT BE IN THIS AREA FOR US TO HAVE TO HAUL. >> ESSENTIALLY, YOU GO TO WORK ALL NIGHT THEN, IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY? I SEE THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME REGULATION AS TO WHAT AN EMERGENCY IS. PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE. >> WHAT WE COULD DO IS IF THERE WAS AN EMERGENCY SITUATION WHERE THEY WOULD CALL US TO PRODUCE SAND MATERIAL, WE WOULD TRY TO GET THEM TO SEND US AN EMAIL AND WE SUBMIT IT TO EMERGENCY SERVICES OR SUBMIT IT TO THE COUNTY AND NOTIFY THEM THAT WE WILL BE WORKING EXTENDED HOURS SO THEY MAY GET IT OUT TO THE PUBLIC FOR ANYBODY WHO MAY BE CONCERNED OF US WORKING PAST HOURS. IT'S ONLY HAPPENED THREE TIMES. >> IN OUR 20 YEARS, YEAH, WE'VE ONLY HAD IT HAPPEN THREE TIMES. IT DOES SUBJECT TO HAPPEN AND WE DO WANT TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. IF THERE'S SOME PARAMETERS IN IT, BUT WE DO ALSO HAVE TO COMMIT TO THE CONTRACTS IN WHICH WE IN. >> WE CAN TIE IT TO VDOT, A MUNICIPALITY, NOT NECESSARILY IN OUR GROUP, BUT I CAN FORESEE EVEN WITH THE CITY OF FRANKLIN, WE WENT THROUGH HURRICANE FLOOR AND THEY COULD GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE THEY NEED TO BERM BUILT NOW AND IT DIDN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE WHETHER IT GOES ALL NIGHT OR NOT. THERE'S EMERGENCIES THAT CAN REQUIRE THAT. WE'VE EXPERIENCED THAT IN THE CITY OF FRANKLIN TOO. >> WE HAULED A LOT OF SAND TO THE PEANUT WAREHOUSE FIRE IN COURTLAND TOO. >> WHEN THE HANCOCK PEANUT WAREHOUSE CAUGHT ON FIRE, WE DID SUPPLY A LOT OF SAND. THAT WAS THE ONLY WAY TO CONTAIN THE FIRE WAS TO CAPSULATE IT WITH SAND. THAT WAS THE DECISION THEY MADE, AND WE DID RUN ON 24 HOURS THAT NIGHT TO SUPPLY TO HOPEFULLY, TRY TO MITIGATE IT. I THINK AT THAT TIME, WE HAD COURTLAND OIL SERVICE WAS DRY AND EXHAUSTED FROM THAT POINT AND SO THEY DECIDED TO DO THE CAPSULATED AND SAND. [01:05:05] WE DID SUPPLY THAT AND DO THAT FOR THEM. THAT WAS ONE INSTANCE WHERE WE HAD TO RUN. WE WOULD WE WOULD DO OUR BEST TO ACCOMMODATE. >> THAT'S INTERESTING. I HAD NO IDEA THAT A BERM WOULD BE AN EMERGENCY. I HADN'T EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT SAND FOR A FIRE. I WAS THINKING TOTALLY ICE AND SNOW. >> YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURES OF CITY OF FRANKLIN, YOU LOOK AT THE LAGOON SYSTEM, A LOT OF THAT WASHED DOWN THE ROAD. >> THAT'S CORRECT. WE HAVE INSTANCES, WE'VE DONATED SANDS TO TOWN OF BOYKINS FOR WHEN THEY HAD A HURRICANE PENDING FOR SANDBAGS. WE HAVE DONATED FOR THEM TO ALLOW THEM TO HAVE SAND FOR SANDBAGS BECAUSE THAT WAS 2011, 2012, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I THINK IMPENDING HURRICANE. LUCKILY, I DON'T THINK THEY HAD MAJOR FLOODING, BUT THAT'S AN INSTANCE WHERE WE CAN STEP UP AND HELP. WE TRY TO ANYWAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> GO AHEAD. >> IS THIS FIVE DAYS A WEEK, SIX DAYS A WEEK? >> TECHNICALLY, OUR BUSINESS HOURS FOR OUR CONSTRUCTION ARE FOUR 10S AND HALF A DAY ON FRIDAY. WE TEND TO RESERVE OUR WEEKENDS FOR FAMILY. BUT THERE ARE TIME CONSTRAINTS WHERE WE MAY NEED TO WORK ON SATURDAY, SO I WOULD SAY FOR GOING FORWARD, SIX DAYS. NOT SUNDAYS. >> YOU'LL ABIDE BY THE DIVISION OF MINES AND MINERALS? >> YES. WE'LL BE ABIDING BY DIVISION OF MINES AND MINERALS DURING THAT TIME. >> ARE THEY FIVE DAYS A WEEK OR SIX DAYS A WEEK? >> NO, SIR. THEY THEY DON'T HAVE ANY TIME CONSTRAINTS ON THERE. >> FINE. >> I KNOW THAT YOU KEPT REFERRING TO 200 FEET ON YOUR MAP AND DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE 10 CONDITIONS, WHICH I THINK WE'VE ADDED 11, YOU'VE GOT IT AT 100-200 FEET, BUT IT'S NOT ON THIS PAGE HERE. I'M ASSUMING THAT THE PLANTED AREA THAT'S GOING TO BE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF YOUR MAP HERE, SOMEBODY LIVING IN THAT HOUSE ON DELAWARE ON 258, CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. SOMEONE IS LIVING IN THAT HOUSE. THERE'S A WOODED BARRIER OF STANDING TREES ON HIS PROPERTY AS WELL AS THE CUTOVER THAT WILL BE REPLANTED BEHIND HIS PROPERTY. >> I KNOW THE VIRGINIA ENERGY REQUIRES A WHOLE LOT LESS FOOTAGE [OVERLAPPING] AND I DON'T WANT TO RESTRICT ANYTHING. YOU'VE GOT 100-200 FEET, BUT HAVE YOU GOT A MINIMUM THAT YOU COULD LIVE WITH? >> WE SET THIS UP HIGH BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A BUFFER BETWEEN US. [OVERLAPPING] >> WE WANT TO BE STEWARDS OF COMMUNITY. [OVERLAPPING] >> I UNDERSTAND THAT. >> I LOOKED AT THAT HOUSE, THE HOUSE IS UP ON THE HILL ANYWAY. HE'S GOT THAT MUCH LONGER BEFORE HE GETS VEGETATION UP HIGH ENOUGH. WE CAN DO SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF DIRT BERM OR SOMETHING IF HE DOESN'T. >> WELL, YOU'VE GOT 100-200 FEET, WHETHER WE CAN PUT OVER THERE A MINIMUM OF 100 FEET OR A MINIMUM OF 200, WHATEVER SUITS Y'ALL. >> IF YOU LIKE TO PUT A MINIMUM OF 100 FEET, THAT'D BE FINE AND WE PLAN ON TRYING TO DO 200. >> I TALKED TO PAUL SAUNDERS AND RUN SOME BY HIM ON IT AND ALL, AND HE WAS LIKE, WE ONLY REQUIRE HIM 50 FEET. >> THAT'S RIGHT. I WAS THINKING IT WAS 25. >> IT'S ACTUALLY LOWER THAN THAT IN SOME PLACES OR SOME COUNTIES IN THE TYPE OF MATERIAL WHICH YOU MINED. I TALKED TO HIM AND HE WAS 50. I TALKED TO ALEX AND I WAS LIKE, MAN, WHY DON'T WE JUST CREATE A BIGGER BUFFER? IT'S NOT GOING TO HURT ANYTHING. [OVERLAPPING] >> OUR GOAL IS NOT TO NECESSARILY RATE THE LAND, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY TRY TO IMPROVE THE LAND BY CREATING A NATURAL WATERWAY FOR ABUNDANCE OF LIFE AS FAR AS WATER FILE AND A LITTLE RECREATIONAL AS WELL. ONE DAY I'D LIKE TO HAVE MY GIRLS TO FISH IN AND THEM TO BE ABLE TO BRING THEIR FAMILY. >> I LIKE THE SITE PLAN. IT'S JUST FOR THE CANYON, WE ADD A MINIMUM OF 100 FEET, THAT'S NOT GOING TO PUT A BURDEN ON Y'ALL. >> NO, SIR. NO. WE FEEL THAT THERE'S AN OPTIMAL AMOUNT OF MATERIAL THERE THAT WOULD BE SUITABLE AND BE REASONABLE WITH IT AND HOPEFULLY NOT OFFEND ANYONE IN THE AREA. [01:10:01] >> WELL, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE DID WITH [INAUDIBLE]. CAN WE ADD THAT, JAY? >> CERTAINLY, IF YOU WANT TO STATE THE MINIMUM BUFFER ON THE NORTH, SOUTH, AND WESTERN PROPERTY LINES AT 100 FEET MINIMUM. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I'VE GOT JUST ONE. YOU MENTIONED AN APPLICATION, YOU MAY BE PUTTING IN, I'M GOING TO CALL IT A WASH CLEANING FACILITY. IF PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE AREA, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE LOADERS AND MORE TRUCKS IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA. NOW I THINK ABOUT THE BACKUP ALARMS. THAT SEEMS TO BE MORE OF A PIERCING SIGN THAN THE TRUCK NOISE OR THE LOADER NOISE. YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHY MIGHT BE PLACED THAT ON THE PROPERTY? >> THE CLEANER, WHICH WOULD BE THE SCREENER AND THE LOADING PILES AND THE STACKERS, WOULD BE CONSIDERED TO BE IN THE RESERVE MINING AREA, WHICH WOULD BE BEHIND THE PINK HIGHLIGHTED AREA. WHAT WE PLAN TO DO IS WE DO PLAN TO HAVE A LOOP AROUND STYLE LOADING AREA, SO YOU WOULD MINIMIZE BACKING. WE DON'T INTEND TO HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF BACKING BECAUSE IN OUR FIELD, BACKING IS MORE DANGEROUS THAN PULLING. WITH LARGE TRUCKS BACKING UP, THERE'S A BLIND LINE OF SIGHT ISSUE, AND WE TYPICALLY REQUIRE A BACKER TO BACK THE VEHICLE. WE'LL DO A LOAD SWING, LOOP, TEAR DROP STYLE LOADING AREA, SO THAT WILL MINIMIZE THE BACKUP OF ALARMS AS WELL AS ON OUR EQUIPMENT. WE HAVE STARTED GOING TO, WHAT THEY CALL A WHITE WASH STYLE BACKUP ALARM. IT'S NOT YOUR TYPICAL SOUNDING ALARM. IT MAKES MORE OF A SUBTLE NOISE. >> STATIC. >> YES, A STATIC NOISE THAT CAN BE HEARD IN CLOSER RANGE, BUT NOT AS DEAFENING OR NOT AS PIERCING AT A DISTANCE. >> IT'S USED A LOT IN SUBDIVISIONS OF HIGHEST DEVELOPMENTS AND ALL. >> IT'S BIGGER. >> IT DOES WITH THE PIERCING BEEP. IT'S MORE OF A [NOISE] SOUND. [OVERLAPPING] >> IT'S MORE OF A EUROPEAN STANDARD THAT'S FINALLY STARTING TO CATCH ON IN THIS AREA, AND WE'VE STARTED IMPLEMENTING OUR MACHINES. SO WE ARE ABLE TO WORK IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS IN AREAS WHERE ARE TRAFFIC. >> ACCORDING TO THE MAP, THAT WOULD BE A CONSIDERABLE DISTANCE FROM ANY RESIDENTIAL SITE, IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES, SIR. IT SHOULD BE AT A MINIMUM ON ONE SIDE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE 700 YARDS AND THE OTHER ONE, THERE'S A MILE, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. EVEN THERE, WE WILL HAVE STOCK PILES AND STOCK BERMS AND STUFF THAT WE'LL MITIGATE SOME OF THE SOUND TRAVEL. >> THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAVE AND YOU'VE ALREADY MENTIONED IT JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THE SWAMP BETWEEN THE ADJOINING LAND OWNER AND THE PROPOSED AREA. YOU MENTIONED THE BEAVER POND. WELL, I KNOW WHAT LIVES IN THE BEAVER POND. I HAVE A LOT ON MY FARM, SO GET WEARY ABOUT NOBODY TRYING TO GET CLOSE TO THAT AREA. THAT SWAMP, DOES IT NORMALLY HAVE WATER IN IT AS IT DRAINS DOWN TOWARD THE RIVER OR DOES IT DRY UP LIKE THIS PAST SUMMER? >> IT KEEPS WATER IN. [OVERLAPPING] >> I THINK THE BEAVER DAM IN THERE IS NOT MUCH HIGHER. >> WELL, WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS FOR THE SAFETY, IF THERE'S CHILDREN LIVING. [OVERLAPPING] >> SOMEBODY TRYING TO CROSS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO SWIM. WE WENT OUT THERE AND CHECKED THE SITE DURING AUGUST WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY AND THAT BEAVER POND WAS STILL THERE AT THE SAME LEVEL AS WHAT IT WAS. WE DO INTEND TO HUNT THAT BEAVER POND IF POSSIBLE AT THE BACK SECTION OF IT. WE TEND TO KEEP IT THERE IF WE CAN. >> THAT WAS MY TWO BIGGEST CONCERN, WHICH IS SAFETY ESPECIALLY OF CHILDREN. >> WE WILL HAVE POSTED SIGNS UP ON ALL CORNERS, EVEN ON THE RIVER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH WE ALREADY OWN ADJOINED TO THE BLOCK, BUT WE WILL POST OPEN PIT SIGNS. THAT IS A REGULATION FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY FOR US TO HAVE IT POSTED. >> IT'S PROBABLY REQUIRED TO BE GATED. >> WE PLAN ON HAVING A A HEAVY-DUTY GATE, SWING-STYLE GATE, AND THEN HAVE IT FAR ENOUGH BACK TO WHERE ANY TRUCK THAT NEED TO PULL INTO TO UNLOCK THE GATE, COULD ACT SAFELY EXIT THE ROADWAY TO DO SO. >> WELL, LIKE I SAID, BECAUSE A LOT OF REGULATIONS WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF MINES, [01:15:01] AND IF YOU HAD TO CONFORM AND I'M NOT GETTING THAT PART. THAT'S JUST ON THE SET, BUT I THINK MY BIGGEST ISSUE WAS THE SAFETY OF THE INDIVIDUALS AND, LIKE I SAID, CHILDREN TRAINING OFF OR WHATEVER, AND THEN THE NOISE. I DON'T WANT IT TO BE AN INCONVENIENCE TO THE PEOPLE LIVING THERE. >> WE DON'T WANT TO EITHER. WE EMPLOY CLOSE TO 25 PEOPLE AS IT IS NOW, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY GOES HOME SAFELY AND IS ABLE TO WORK THE DAY, AS WELL AS IF THEY LIVE NEAR, I WANT THE FOLKS THAT ARE LIVING NEAR THERE TO BE ABLE TO GO HOME AND ENJOY THE PEACE AND QUIET OF THEIR HOME. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME FORWARD? ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YES, SIR. COME ON UP, SIR. >> WE ARE FORREST AND JOYCE JOHNSON. I LIVE ON 21102 BETHEL ROAD. WE HAVE PROPERTY OF THE RIVER ROAD. WE IS IN OPPOSITION TO THIS BORROW PIT THAT WE HAVE AMONG THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR MAP THAT I PASSED OUT, EITHER RESIDENT OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WITH YOUR PERMISSION, MY WIFE WOULD LIKE TO READ A RECENT STUDY THAT WAS DONE IN EVINGTON, VIRGINIA IN 2008. >> GOOD EVENING. >> GOOD EVENING. >> A RECENT STUDY COMMISSIONED BY THE RICHLAND TOWNSHIP PLANNING COMMISSION, USING THE FINDING OF AUBURN ECONOMICS PROFESSOR DIANE HITE, HAS SHOWN A DEFINITE STATISTICAL CORRELATION BETWEEN PROPERTY DISTANCE FROM A GRAVEL PIT AND THAT PROPERTY'S SALE PRICE. SPECIFICALLY, PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO THE GRAVEL PIT EXPERIENCE UP TO A 30% REDUCTION IN SALE PRICE, WITH PRICE INCREASING 1% FOR EVERY 10% INCREASE IN DISTANCE FROM THE OPERATION. PROPERTY VALUES AT ONE MILE ARE REDUCED 14.5%. PROPERTY VALUES AT TWO MILES ARE REDUCED 8.9%, AND PROPERTY VALUES AT THREE MILES ARE REDUCED BY 4.9%. YOU HAVE A GRAPH UNDER THAT PIT IMPACT OF GRAVEL PIT ON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY VALUES SHOWN DOWN BELOW. >> SIR, COULD YOU SHOW US WHERE YOUR PROPERTY IS ON THIS MAP? >> IT IS ON FORKS OF THE RIVER ROAD, IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT'S YOUR PROPERTY RIGHT THERE. >> WELL, LET'S SEE. WE GOT A MAP RIGHT HERE. CAN YOU SHOW US ON THIS MAP? >> FIGURE 1 DISPLAYS THE ESTIMATED EFFECT OF THE DISTANCE FROM THE GRAVEL PIT ON THE HOUSE PRICE. A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LOCATED A HALF MILE FROM THE GRAVEL MINE WOULD EXPERIENCE AN ESTIMATED 20% REDUCTION IN VALUE, ONE MILE FROM THE MINE, AND A 14.5% REDUCTION, TWO MILES FROM THE MINE AND 8.9% REDUCTION, [01:20:06] AND THREE MILES FROM THE MINE, A 4.9% REDUCTION. THESE ESTIMATES ARE SIMILAR TO THE ESTIMATED ESTIMATES PUBLISHED IN THE ACADEMIC JOURNAL ON THE EFFECTS OF LANDFILLS ON NEARBY PROPERTY VALUES. DOWN BELOW THAT, THE LOSS IN PROPERTY VALUES RESULTS FROM THE NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES OF THE MINING OPERATION AND REFLECTS THE DETERIORATION IN THE AREA'S QUALITY OF LIFE DUE SOLELY TO THE OPERATION OF THE GRAVEL MINE. IN OTHER WORDS, THE LOSS IN HOUSE VALUE IS A WAY TO QUANTIFY IN DOLLARS, THE DETERIORATION IN QUALITY OF LIFE AS CAPITALIZED IN THE PRICE OF THE HOUSE. IT CAPTURES THE PRICE REDUCTION THE HOME OWNER WOULD HAVE TO OFFER TO INDUCE A NEW BUYER TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY. EVEN IF HOMEOWNERS DO NOT MOVE AS A RESULT OF THE GRAVEL MINE, THEY WILL LOSE HOME OWNER EQUITY AS THE POTENTIAL SALE PRICE OF THEIR HOUSE AS LESS. THEREFORE, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT A PERSON ACTUALLY SELLS THEIR PROPERTY, IT MEASURES THE ADVERSE EFFECTS IN THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE IN BEING SUBJECT TO THE DISAMENITIES INTRODUCED INTO THE AREA BY THE GRAVEL MINE. THE POLICY IMPLICATIONS OF THE HEIGHT STUDY ARE CLEAR BECAUSE PROPERTY VALUE LOSSES ARE HIGHER BUT CLOSER TO THE GRAVEL MINE, ALL ELSE THE SAME. NEW SITES SHOULD BE LOCATED FAR FROM EXISTING RESIDENTS SO AS TO MINIMIZE ADVERSE CONSEQUENCES FOR HOMEOWNERS. [NOISE] >> WHEN RESIDENTS AND DEVELOPERS PURCHASED RESIDENTIAL OR AGRICULTURAL PROPERTIES IN EVINGTON, THEY HAD A REASONABLE EXPECTATION THAT FUTURE ZONING CHANGES WOULD NOT ADVERSELY IMPACT THEIR PROPERTY VALUES. CHANGING FROM RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL TO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ZONING WITH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR QUARRYING IS THE MOST RADICAL CHANGE POSSIBLE AND WILL DESTROY THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS. MOST PEOPLE IN EVINGTON HAVE VERY LITTLE, OTHER THAN THEIR PROPERTY, AND THE DEVALUATION OF THAT PROPERTY WOULD BE DEVASTATING FOR THEM. WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU CONTACT THE CAMPBELL COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO VOTE AGAINST THIS REZONING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE CAMPBELL COUNTY AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. >> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS COUPLE? >> WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS THAT THIS IS A UNIQUE SITUATION WE HAVE HERE. WE HAVE A COMMUNITY THAT IS MOSTLY AFRICAN AMERICAN. NEARLY EVERYBODY THAT LIVE THERE HAD INVESTED THEIR TIME, THEIR MONEY, THEIR SAVINGS INTO BUILDING UP THIS COMMUNITY. IN MY LIFETIME THAT I'M AWARE OF IT AT LEAST 45 YEARS THAT I AM AWARE OF, I DIDN'T GROW UP IN THAT COMMUNITY, MY WIFE DID. I WAS TALKING TO MY SON TODAY AND A LOT OF THE PROPERTY IN THAT COMMUNITY, SOME OF IT HAD BEEN IN FAMILY GENERATION WAY OVER 100 YEARS. THANKS FOLKS MR. SMITH, PROBABLY TELL YOU FOURTH OR FIFTH GENERATION. I TALKED TO MY SON TODAY AND HE IN THE PROCESS NOW SPENDING OVER $80,000 IN A RENOVATION. [01:25:01] I WAS TELLING HIM, I SAY, LOOK, YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE 20% OF IT BEFORE YOU EVEN STOP. THAT WOULD BE THE EFFECT OF A MINING OPERATION THAT CLOSE. YOU'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT ADJOURNING PROPERTY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A WHOLE COMMUNITY. IT'S A SLAP IN THE FACE THAT WE HAD GIVEN THEM SOMETHING LIKE A MINING OPERATION TO BE THAT CLOSE. THEY ARE OUR FUTURE. TO START AT THE BOTTOM, KNOWING THAT YOU STAND A CHANCE OF LOSING AT LEAST 20% OF YOUR INVESTMENT, THAT'S A TERRIBLE SLAP IN THE FACE FOR THE GENERATION COMING UP. THAT BASICALLY IS MY MAIN CONCERN. WE HAVE OTHER HERE WHO PROBABLY WOULD HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO STAY. BUT THAT IS BASICALLY OUR MAIN CONCERN. THEN IN 1999, I THINK IT WAS HURRICANE FLORA, THE WHOLE AREA WAS FLOODED. WE COULDN'T GO BACK AND FORTH. THEY RECOVERED FROM THAT, YOU WON'T FIND NO TENTS AND NO TRAILERS IN THAT COMMUNITY. THEY ARE EITHER NEW HOME, OLD HOMES HAD BEEN RENOVATED. IT'S NOT A DEAD COMMUNITY. IT'S A STRIVING COMMUNITY. FROM WHAT WE HAVE RESEARCHED, MINING OPERATION WILL HAVE AN EFFECT ON THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY IN THAT COMMUNITY. WE CAN GET AROUND THAT. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO OUR COMMENTS. MAYBE SOMEONE HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO SAY. >> JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING TONIGHT. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE, IF I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY, YOUR MAIN CONCERN OVER THE APPLICATION IS THE PROPERTY VALUE MAY BE DECREASED, IS THAT CORRECT? THE STUDY THAT YOU ALL PRESENTED. >> THAT ONE OF OUR MAIN CONCERN. WE DO HAVE OTHER MAIN CONCERN. >> I THINK HE'S ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT HIS QUALITY OF LIFE. >> YEAH. QUALITY OF LIFE AND YOU LISTEN TO THE NEWS EVERY DAY ABOUT HOW BLACK WEALTH DID DISTRIBUTE AND BLACK FARMERS LOSING OUT ON THAT LAND AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THIS IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF THAT. WE SHOULD BE THANKFUL THAT WE HAVE A GENERATION THAT HAD CAME BACK AND WANT TO HOLD ON TO THAT PROPERTY AND WANT TO CONTINUE TO BUILD ON IT. WE SHOULD BE THANKFUL FOR THAT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE A QUESTION. >> YES, SIR. >> HAVE YOU WENT BY THEIR CURRENT OPERATION THERE ON ROUTE 35 BY THE CORTLAND DUMP? >> YES, SIR. >> OKAY. I PULLED UP THE GIS AND I'M LOOKING AT PROPERTY VALUES ALONG THAT CORRIDOR, ACTUALLY IT LOOKS LIKE THAT ALL THE PROPERTY VALUES THERE HAVE WENT UP 25-45%. >> THAT'S TAX VALUES, SIR. >> OKAY. >> THAT'S TAX ASSESSMENT >> BUT THERE'S BEEN NUMEROUS HOMES FOR SALE ALONG THAT CORRIDOR THAT HAVE SOLD. THE BENEFIT OF RUNNING A TITLE COMPANY IS I'M AWARE OF THOSE VALUES, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE JUST ABOUT EVERYWHERE IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, THE VALUATIONS HAVE WENT UP. >> YEAH. HAVE OVER THE LAST TWO ASSESSMENT. EVERYBODY IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY IS NOW A MILLIONAIRE. >> YES. [LAUGHTER] IT JUST GOT TO ME AND I'M LOOKING AT THE ESTIMATES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THIS SANDPIT GRAVEL PIT WAS SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER THAN THE ONE AT ISSUE HERE. DO YOU THINK THAT HAS AN IMPACT IN YOUR STUDY? >> THAT DO, BUT STILL IT'S A LARGER COMMUNITY THAT THAT STUDY WAS TAKEN FROM. IF YOU READ THROUGH IT, YOU WILL SEE WHERE THEY LOST UP IN THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WHEN THEY COMBINED THE REVENUE FROM LOSS OF SALES AND STUFF. I'M PRETTY SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD PAY MORE TAX TO THE COUNTY THAN WHAT THIS BARREL PIT WOULD PAY. >> I'M READING FROM YOUR DOCUMENT, IT SAYS 115-120 TRUCKLOADS PER DAY WILL BE COMING OUT AND 10 PERMANENT JOBS. [01:30:01] >> THAT WAS A BIGGER OPERATION. >> NOT JUST BIGGER, BUT CATASTROPHICALLY A BIGGER OPERATION. YOU WOULD AGREE THIS IS A MUCH SMALLER SCALE. >> YEAH. BUT IT STILL HAVE THE SAME EFFECT. >> I BELIEVE THEY SAID THAT LOBLOLLY PINES WOULD BE PLANTED IN THAT CUTOVER AND IT LOOKS LIKE A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT BUFFER FROM YOUR HOUSE TO THE MINING OPERATION. >> RIGHT. BUT WHAT IS THE GROWTH SPAN OF A LOBLOLLY PINE? IT TAKE YEARS FOR A PINE TREE TO GET UP TO HE WOULD DO ANY GOOD. >> I AGREE WITH THAT. IS THERE ANY TREES CURRENTLY GROWN IN THAT SWAMPY AREA THAT GIVE YOU THE HEIGHT? >> I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY. I HAVEN'T BEEN ON THE PROPERTY. >> WELL, BETWEEN YOUR HOUSE OR WHERE YOUR PROPERTY IS [OVERLAPPING] IN ADJACENT TO THAT? >> NO, IT'S OPEN FIELD THAT IS CUTOVER. >> THERE'S NO CURRENT TREES GROWING IN THAT SWAMPY AREA? >> HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN THE COMMUNITY? >> THERE ARE TREES. [BACKGROUND] >> I REALLY CAN'T GIVE YOU EXACT COUNT HOW MANY IN THAT, BUT WE'RE LOOKING OVER 35 HOMES IN THAT MILE RANGE. >> BECAUSE HE'S BASICALLY THE ONES GOING WITH MR. RANDOLPH'S COMMENT. THE PROJECT THAT THEY DID IN HANCOCK PEANUT COMPANY ON 35. THEY'RE BASICALLY CONVERTING IT INTO A FISH POND. IT'S NOT LIKE A MINING OPERATION WHERE THEY'RE BLASTING GRAVEL AND ROCKS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. IT'S MORE OF A SANDY, [OVERLAPPING] SOIL THERE THAT THEY'RE USING SAND. >> WELL, I'VE BEEN ON THE MINING OPERATION DURING THE SUMMER WHEN IT WAS HOT. IT'S DUSTY. THAT DUST GOING SOMEWHERE. IT'S VERY DUSTY WHEN IT'S DRY. I HAD TO PUT MY MASK ON. WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT WE KNOW THAT IT WILL HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE COMMUNITY. THAT'S WHAT WE SAY. >> I GOT ONE MORE QUESTION. I WANT TO BE FAIR TO ALL THE PARTIES. DON'T TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY. ARE YOU AWARE THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER MINING OPERATION IN YOUR VICINITY? IT MAY BE RECLAIMED NOW. >> OH, YEAH. >> OKAY. THAT'S ABOUT [OVERLAPPING] HOW FAR IS THAT ONE FROM THIS LOCATION? NOT YOUR HOUSE, BUT THIS LOCATION. >> I THINK ABOUT THREE OR FOUR MILES. [OVERLAPPING] >> MR. DRACO COMPLETED THREE OPERATIONS IN THAT AREA WITHIN A MILE OF THIS SITE. [OVERLAPPING] >> I THOUGHT HE WAS AT END OF THAT ROAD. >> ACROSS THE STREET ON BRISTOW AND WE HAVE THE WHITMER GUY OVERALL DELAWARE SCHOOLHOUSE >> ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE MAYAN PITS? >> WELL, I'M FAMILIAR WITH ONE OF THE PITS. [OVERLAPPING] THE WATER BY THE SCHOOLHOUSE ROAD YOU TALKING? >> NO. I'M TALKING ABOUT RIGHT ACROSS THE 258 ON FORKS OF THE RIVER. IS THAT FORKS OF THE RIVER ROAD GOES ACROSS? >> DELAWARE ROAD. >> DELAWARE ROAD. WERE YOU FAMILIAR WITH A PIT RIGHT THERE? >> NO. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT PIT. >> I'M GOING TO ASK MR. MAN OR MR. GRAY, TO BE FAIR, APPROXIMATELY HOW FAR IS THAT FROM YOUR PROPERTY? >> MAYBE 900 YARDS FROM THE PROPERTY. >> OKAY. >> IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, YOU SEE DELAWARE ROAD AND IF YOU TAKE A LEFT AND GO TO FRANKLIN COMING OUT ON DELAWARE ROAD, YOU GO NOT FAR AND THAT'S WHERE THE ENTRANCE. >> IT'S THE FIRST ENTRANCE TO THE LEFT, CORRECT? [OVERLAPPING] YOUR MAYAN PITS IT'S THE FIRST ENTRANCE TO THE LEFT. THE ONLY REASON I BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE I WAS WONDERING IF THAT HAD ANY IMPACT. THAT MINE, I THINK IT'S CLOSED, MR. MAN, IS THAT CORRECT? >> WELL, IT'S INACTIVE. >> IT'S INACTIVE. SO NO EQUIPMENT IS OPERATING THERE, BUT IT OPERATED FOR MANY YEARS. >> BUT IT'S NOT A COMMUNITY IN THAT AREA. >> I'M SORRY. >> IT'S NOT A COMMUNITY IN THAT AREA. >> WELL, IT'S JUST [OVERLAPPING] ACROSS THE ROAD. YOU'RE CORRECT. IT'S ACROSS THE ROAD. >> YOU KNOW WHERE DAVID CROSS LIVES, DAVID CROSSON? >> YES. >> HE BUTTS RIGHT UP AGAINST THEIR PROPERTY RIGHT BEHIND THEM. >> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, BOTH OF YOU. [01:35:03] >> THANK YOU. >> APPRECIATE YOU COMING. >> MR. GRAY. >> I'M METRO GRAY. I LIVE ON SHADY BROOK TRAIL, RIGHT THERE NEAR THE OLD HERCULES PLANT. I BOUGHT MY HOUSE IN 1980, RIGHT THERE. A HUNDRED YARDS BEHIND MY HOUSE, TW WHITE CONSTRUCTION HAD A PIT. THAT PIT HAS NEVER BEEN RECREBATED. ISN'T THAT NO LONGER BEING HAULED OUT OF, BUT MY WHOLE LIFE, UP TO 10 YEARS AGO, IT WAS. I BOUGHT MY HOUSE FOR $48,000 WHEN ME AND TAMMY BOUGHT IT. TODAY, THAT HOUSE IS WORTH 200,000. THEY BUILT HOUSES BESIDE ME ON EACH SIDE. THAT HOUSE SIX YEARS AGO ON THE LEFT SIDE OF ME, THAT HOUSE SOLD FOR 168,000. EIGHT MONTHS AGO THAT HOUSE SOLD FOR 310,000. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT A SANDPIT DROPS THE VALUE OF ANYBODY'S PROPERTY WHEN IT IS MAINTAINED LIKE IT SHOULD AND WE PROVIDE BY THE RULES AND REGULATIONS WE NEED TO GO BY. THE ONLY THING THAT I THINK DROPS ANYBODY'S PROPERTY IS WHAT THEY DON'T DO TO IT OR THEY DO DO TO IT. TALKING ABOUT SAFETY, IT'S PIT HILL IN THE ENTIRE ROAD OVER HERE. WE HAVE THE ENERGY DEPARTMENT. THEY CHECK US EVERY QUARTER FOR SAFETY, THEY CHECK US FOR THE EQUIPMENT. YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR EQUIPMENT IN THE SAME SHAPE IT WAS THAT THEY HAD COME OUT OF THE SHOWROOM. EVERYTHING HAS TO WORK ON IT AND THEY CHECK IT. THE EIGHT YEARS WE'VE OPERATED THAT PIT, WE HAVE NEVER BEEN IN VIOLATION OF ANYTHING. WE'VE NEVER HAD ANY KIND OF FINE PUT AGAINST US. OUR NEIGHBORS IN THAT PIT, IF THEY NEED SOME SAND, I HAVE GAVE AWAY PICK-UP LOADS OF SAND FOR OUR NEIGHBORS IN THAT AREA. WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH ANY NEIGHBORS OR ANYTHING. WE ARE GOOD STEWARDS, AND WE TRY TO BE THAT WAY. THAT'S THE WAY I WAS BROUGHT UP. I'M 67-YEARS-OLD, MA'AM, AND I'M NOT GOING TO BE DOING THIS TOO MUCH LONGER. BUT I DON'T SEE NO NEED MAKING ENEMIES NOW. >> DO YOU LIVE IN ONE OF THESE PROPERTIES HERE? >> NO, SIR. I LIVE ON SHADY BROOK TRAIL. IS A COMMUNITY. I BET YOU IT'S 60 HEIGHT. BUT IT'S A SAND PIT THERE 100 YARDS BEHIND MY [OVERLAPPING] >> THAT'S THE POINT I WANT TO MAKE. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, THE VALUE. IT IS STILL BUILDING HEIGHTS. THEY'RE BUILDING TWO NEW ONES UP THE ROAD FROM ME RIGHT NOW. THEY BUILT, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY IN THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS THERE. BUT IT'S HOW YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IT, I GUESS, AND WHATEVER, BUT I JUST WANTED TO LET Y'ALL BE INFORMED THAT I DON'T BELIEVE IT'LL DROP YOUR VALUE. THAT STUDY THAT I HAD JUST HEARD WHILE AGO, I THINK IT WAS 2008, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> 2006. >> 2006. THAT'S ALMOST 20 YEARS AGO. THAT WAS AT A DIFFERENT COUNTY, DIFFERENT LOCATION. BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? >> I WILL. >> YES, SIR. COME FORWARD, PLEASE. >> GOOD EVENING. >> GOOD EVENING. >> I'M LAVONNE ASHLEY LEON. I DO LIVE ON FOX RIVER ROAD. I'VE BEEN OUT THERE FOR 30-PLUS YEARS. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT THE YOUNG GUYS ARE TRYING TO DO. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO FOR A LIVING. BUT IF I WALK OUT MY BACK DOOR, I WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THIS PIT. >> WHEN THERE WAS CUTTING THE TIMER DOWN, I CONSTANTLY HEARD THE SEWING AND THE EQUIPMENT EVERY DAY IN THE EVENINGS, MORNINGS. IF THIS WOULD AFFECT OUR VALUE OF OUR PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL. IF IT DID, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH OUR TAXES? LAST YEAR, I THINK SAHAM COUNTER RAISED THE VALUE. ASSESSMENT WENT UP. MY HOUSE WENT UP $100,000. THAT'S BASED ON A TAX VALUE FOR MR. FORREST WAS TALKING ABOUT. [01:40:05] IF THIS WOULD DROP MY VALUE, MY TAXES IS NOT GOING TO GO DOWN. I'M STILL GOING TO BE PAYING. WHAT DID COUNTY ASSESS MY HOUSE OF? I JUST ASKED THAT YOU ALL WOULD TAKE CONSIDERATION IF IT WAS YOU. NOW, MY HOUSE IS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE STREET ON MR. FORREST. I CAN LOOK THROUGH ACROSS THE LITTLE FIELD LIKE THAT THROUGH THE CUT AND SEE WHERE THEY WOULD BE MINING AT. I JUST ASKED YOU ALL TO BE MINDFUL AND PUT YOURSELVES IN THAT SITUATION. WHAT WOULD YOU DO? >> WHERE ARE YOU ON THIS, MATT OR YOUR PROPERTY? >> COMING IN, I WOULD PROBABLY BE THE LAST HOUSE THERE. THAT'S A LITTLE FIELD. THAT'S THE COLOR. I CAN SEE ALL THE OPEN RIGHT THERE. >> THANK YOU. >> I HAVE A SECOND. >> ANYONE ELSE? YES, SIR. COME FORWARD. >> THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. I'M THE OLDEST SON OF LEROY SMITH. WE HAVE THE LARGEST BLACK OWNED FARM IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY OFF OF FORKS RIVER ROAD. WE GROW BEANS, COTTON, BUNCH OF STUFF ON THAT ROAD, DID YOU SEE FORKS OF THE RIVER ON BOTH SIDES? AS THE GENTLEMAN SAID PRIOR THAT THERE'S THE GENERATION COMING BACK TO THE COUNTRY TO HELP GROW OR KEEP THE LEGACY OF MY FATHER GONE FOR HE'S 88. THAT'S HIM SITTING BACK THERE. HE CAME OUT HERE TO TAKE CARE OF HIS DAD AND I CAME OUT HERE TO TAKE CARE OF HIM. LIKE THE GENTLEMAN JUST SAID, IF YOU LOOK OUT, OUR FARMERS BETWEEN BLACKWATER AND THEY WENT OF THE BRIDGE, THE FRONT PART. BY THE WAY. THE SMITH THE ROAD, WHAT IS IT CALLED 258? >> YEAH. >> THAT WAS NAMED AFTER OUR FAMILY. THEY LATER ON CHANGED FORKS OF THE RIVER. LIKE YOU SAID, IF YOU LOOK OUT, YOU WANT TO GROW GENERATIONAL WEALTH OR HAVE YOUR KIDS, GRAND KIDS, AND GREAT GRAND KIDS COME BACK TO THAT AREA TO CONTINUE THE FARMING, SO WE CAN LIVE IN HARMONY AND PEACE WITH OUR NEIGHBORS. I'M A NEWCOMER. I DON'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT NONE OF THIS. I HAVE NO CLUE. BUT SEEMS LIKE THIS AREA IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST GROWING AREA I'VE SEEN SINCE I COME FROM VIRGINIA BEACH. IT IS HUGE, IT'S BEAUTIFUL. I JUST THINK ANY PIT, ANY CONSTRUCTION SITE, ANY PLACE THAT YOU HAVE, A LOT OF TRAFFIC COMING OFF OF 258, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GETTING OLDER. IF YOU TRY TO COME OFF OF 258 OR FORKS OF THE RIVER OR ANY OF THOSE STREETS, THOSE LOGGING TRUCKS, THE TRAFFIC THAT COMES OFF 258 BOTH WAYS IS INCREDIBLE. IT'S DANGEROUS FOR ELDER PEOPLE TRYING TO PULL OUT. THEY CAN'T SEE OVER THE RIDGE, AND BY THE TIME YOU TRY TO MAKE THEIR RIGHT THEY RAID ON YOUR BACK. NOW YOU'RE GOING TO ADD ADDITIONAL VEHICLES, ADDITIONAL TRUCKS, ADDITIONAL SAND COMING IN AND OUT OFF THAT ROAD WITH THE DANGEROUS ROAD THAT LITTLE STRIP COMING FROM 189 TO NORTH CAROLINA IS PROBABLY THE MOST DANGEROUS PART OF 258, AND NOW YOU'RE GOING TO ADD TO IT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. >> YES, SIR. >> ANYONE ELSE? >> YES, SIR. >> HEY, WALLACE BROWN. I SEE ACROSS THE ROAD FOR MR. LESLEY. MY MAIN CONCERN IS THE FLOODING. WE ALREADY HAD ONE FLOOD. THEY SAY THAT THOSE THREE SAND PITS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ROAD HELPED IT OUT. NOW IF YOU WILL TO PUT ONE ON THIS SIDE OF THE ROAD, YOU CAN'T SAY IT LOWERED THE PROPERTY VALUE BECAUSE THERE'S MORE DANGER THERE. THAT'S MY CONCERN. YOU SAY, [01:45:03] YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT. WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THE FLOOD IS COMING. IT'S REAL CONCERN. LIKE I SAID, I JUST RETIRED, AND I'M NOT READY TO MOVE NOWHERE. I CAN'T START OVER AGAIN. THAT'S MY CONCERN. >> THANK YOU, SIR. MR. GRAY. YOU COME FORWARD. >> I DO WANT TO SAY, I'M PROUD OF YOU GUYS STANDING UP FOR YOUR COMMUNITY. I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE, TOO. I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN THE COUNTY. WE'RE A FAMILY OWNED OPERATION. WE'RE NOT A BIG CONGLOMERATE, WE'RE NOT A BIG CORPORATION COMING TO TAKE YOUR LAND OR TAKE ANYTHING OF THAT, DO ANYTHING OF THAT. WE WANT TO BE STEWARDS OF THE COMMUNITY. I STOOD UP HERE SIX MONTHS AGO WITH THE DEBATE ON SOME OTHER ISSUES, AND I SAID THE SAME THING THAT I DON'T WANT TO BE A BURDEN TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT I'D LIKE TO STAND HAND IN HAND WITH YOU GUYS IF YOU GUYS WOULD APPRECIATE OR WOULD ACCOMMODATE OR ALLOW US TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO HELP YOU GUYS IN ANY WAY. BUT WE ASKED THAT MAYBE WE CAN LIVE TOGETHER AND BE ABLE TO THRIVE TOGETHER AND WORK TOGETHER. I KNOW ON THIS ISSUE, THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF ISSUE WITH PROPERTY VALUES. I PERSONALLY CAN'T. I DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO TELL YOU WHAT YOUR PROPERTY VALUE WILL BE. I DO KNOW THAT EVERY PIECE OF LAND THAT I'VE EVER PURCHASED OR LOOKED TO PURCHASE, IT ALWAYS SEEMS TO GO UP IF YOU DON'T PURCHASE IT. WE SEARCHED HIGH AND LOW. WE TRIED TO CONTINUE TO BE IN THIS COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE LOVE THIS COMMUNITY. WE HIRE LOCALLY. WE HAVE DRIVERS THAT HAVE PRIDE IN OUR COMPANY. YOU SEE OUR TRUCKS, I'M SURE YOU SEE BLUE AND WHITE TRUCKS THAT RUN DOWN THE ROAD, AND THEY LOVE TO KEEP THEM CLEAN, AND THEY LOVE THEIR JOB. TO US, IT'S A PRIDE POINT TO HAVE THEM TAKE PRIDE IN THEIR TRUCKS AND TO BE ABLE TO DO THEIR JOB EVERY DAY. I DO ASK THAT YOU GUYS DO CONSIDER THAT AS WELL? THERE'S MORE THAN JUST MY FAMILY INVOLVED IN THE PIT. YOU HAVE AT LEAST 22 OTHER FAMILIES THAT ARE RELYING ON THIS TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE SO THAT THEY WOULD HAVE A JOB AS WELL. THIS IS OUR ONLY OPTION AT THIS POINT WHEN WE PURCHASED A LAND. WE TRIED TO PURCHASE A PIECE THAT WAS SECLUDED AND DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF EFFECTS ON NEIGHBORS. THAT'S WHY WE PURCHASED THE SIZE PARCEL THAT WE DID. I WON'T LET YOU GUYS KNOW WE PURCHASED IT FROM BLACKWATER LAND AND TIMBER, WHICH IS AN INVESTMENT GROUP OUT OF ATLANTA. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW A LOT ABOUT THOSE TYPE OF INVESTMENT FIRMS, BUT THEY PUT A LOT OF LAND ON FOR SOLAR FARMS. WE'RE OPPOSED TO SOLAR FARMS. I HAVE NEVER DONE ONE. I DON'T PLAN ON DOING ONE AT ALL. BUT I JUST WANT TO THROW THAT THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS BESIDES US THAT CAN BE WORSE OUT THERE. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR YOU GUYS TO LOVE US, WE JUST WANT TO BE A PART OF THE COMMUNITY. IN EVERY COMMUNITY WE'VE BEEN IN, WE'VE ALWAYS SEEMED TO HELP MORE THAN HURT. WE'RE GOD FEARING PEOPLE. WE GO TO CHURCH. WE UNDERSTAND, THE LORD GIVES, AND IT TAKES A VILLAGE. WE UNDERSTAND THAT. WE DON'T WANT TO SHAKE YOU GUYS UP OR MAKE YOU GUYS, WE'RE NOT HERE TO LOWER YOUR PROPERTY VALUE. WE'RE NOT HERE TO ACQUIRE YOUR PROPERTY. WE DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO BE DETRIMENTAL TO YOU GUYS. BUT WE DO NEED THIS IN ORDER FOR US TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE A STABLE LOCAL WORKFORCE. WITHOUT THAT, WE ARE AS FAR AS TAX GOES, YOU SAID THAT BAR PITT DOESN'T BRING A LOT OF TAXES IN. MY PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX WAS 100 AND SOME THOUSAND THIS YEAR WITHIN THE COUNTY. YOU COULD TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT IS, WE DO PROVIDE REVENUE TO THE COUNTY AS WELL AS [01:50:03] JOBS AND LOCAL JOBS WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO OUTSOURCE, SO YOUR KIDS DON'T HAVE TO GO OUTSIDE TO LOOK FOR WORK, THEY CAN STAY LOCAL. THERE'S NO BETTER PLACE TO WORK THAN IN THIS COUNTY. WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO GO OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY TO PROVIDE FOR OUR FAMILY AND OUR OTHER WORKFORCE. WE WANT TO BE HERE IN THAT WAY WE CAN GIVE HERE AND CONTINUE TO THRIVE HERE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THE MAIN THING. THE TAKEAWAY IS THAT WE SAW THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. WE KNEW THAT IF WE DIDN'T BUY IT WOULD GET TRADED DOWN THE BLOCK TO DOMINION ENERGY OR SOMEBODY, AND THE NEXT THING, YOU GUYS WOULD BE STANDING UP HERE FIGHTING A SOLAR FARM OR SOMETHING. WE SAW THE VALUE AND THE POTENTIAL FOR US TO BE ABLE TO ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY, KEEP THE RIVER FRONT LIKE IT IS, KEEP IT FOR OUR RECREATION IN THE BACK. WE JUST NEED TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT. THE ONLY WAY WE CAN AFFORD IT IS TO BE ABLE TO MIND THAT FRONT SECTION. THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE CAN AFFORD TO HAVE THE PROPERTY AND MAINTAIN IT. WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO MIND THE WHOLE THING OUT. YOU WON'T HAVE A BIG EYESORE. WHAT YOU'LL HAVE WOULD BE IF IT'S 65 ACRES WORTH OF PIT AREA, WE WOULD HAVE A POND THERE AND IT WOULD BE A POND FOR RECREATIONAL USE SOMEDAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS UNDERSTOOD WHERE WE'RE AT. WE'RE A FAMILY TOO. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GRAYS. WE'RE DEEP ORIENTED IN. OUR FAMILY, I TRACED OUR FAMILY ALL THE WAY BACK TOO. THEY ACTUALLY COME ACROSS TO JAMESTOWN IN 1608, AND THEN THEY COME TO WAKE COUNTY AND EVENTUALLY CAME TO SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY AND THAT'S WHERE WE'VE BEEN EVER SINCE. WE'VE BEEN DEEP ROOTED IN THE COMMUNITY TOO. I'M NOT SOMEBODY THAT COME OUT FROM OUT OF TOWN. I'VE BEEN BORN RAISED HERE. I UNDERSTAND YOU GUYS AS PAIN POINTS. I KNOW YOU HAVE TO KEEP THAT COMMUNITY AS IT IS. BUT IF IT'S NOT GOING TO BE US, WHO WOULD IT BE? I WANT TO STAND HAND IN HAND WITH YOU GUYS IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. YOU GUYS ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH US. WE CAN MAYBE WORK THIS OUT AND BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO LET YOUR COMMUNITY GROW AND LIVE IN AND CO EXIST. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> MR. GRAY, I'VE GOT QUESTIONS. THE STUDY THAT I REFERENCED OBVIOUSLY WAS MUCH MORE OF A SIGNIFICANT MASS, 120-140 DUMP TRUCKS PER DAY. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> WHAT IS THE AVERAGE THAT YOU EXPECT WITH THIS OPERATION? >> WE HAVE CURRENTLY SEVEN DUMP TRUCKS, AND THEY TYPICALLY MAKE MAYBE THREE LOADS A DAY. LIKE 28 LOADS A DAY, OUT OF IT, GIVE OR TAKE. SOME DAYS LIKE THIS WEEK, IT'S RAIN EVERY OTHER DAY, SO WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY. >> EXCUSE MY MEMORY BECAUSE I'M GETTING OLD. I'M A LITTLE BIT OLDER THAN YOUR BROTHER. BUT HE REFERENCED HIS AGE. I BELIEVE YOUR BROTHER REFERENCED LOBLOLLY PINES IN THE BUFFER AREA. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS PROBABLY VERY IMPORTANT TO THEM. YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING FOR SOME PROFFERS? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> HAS THE LOBLOLLIES BEEN PLANTED YET OR IS IT EXPECTED TO BE PLANTED? >> THEY'RE IN THE PARCEL IN WHICH WE'RE LOOKING TO GET REZONED THAT'S ONLY [INAUDIBLE]. IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, YOU'LL SEE THE AREA WHERE WE'RE LOOKING TO MINE THAT AREA. >> I'M CONCERNED WITH THE HOUSE OR THE BUFFER AREA PLAIN HOUSE. >> THE AREA IN WHICH WE'RE LOOKING TO MINE HAD BEEN HARVESTED BY THE PRIOR OWNERS, WHICH IS BLACKWATER TIMBER. THEY HARVESTED THAT TIMBER PRIOR TO US ACQUIRING THE LAND. WHAT WE SAW WAS THAT THAT PROPERTY HAD ALREADY BEEN LOGGED SO WE DIDN'T SEE THE VALUE. IT ONLY HELPED US AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE US GETTING UP AND GOING QUICKER. THEY HAD APART MR. DAVE COULD PROBABLY EVALUATE A LITTLE MORE, THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF FORESTRY WILL HELP PAY SOME OF THE COSTS TO GET IT REPLANTED. THE PRIOR OWNER HAD ALREADY COMMITTED TO THAT. THEY'RE ALREADY SCHEDULED TO PLANT. WHEN THAT IS, IT'S GOING TO BE EARLY SPRING. WE'RE INSINUATING ON MARCH. >> WILL YOU COMMIT TO A PROFFER TO KEEP THE BUFFER AREA AROUND THE HOUSES IS LOBLOLLY PINES BETWEEN PIT AND I'M GOING TO WRITE IT DOWN. >> MOST CERTAINLY. >> THE BUFFER AREA BETWEEN HOUSE AND PIT. [01:55:01] THE HOUSES AND PIT HAS LOBLOLLY PINES? >> YES, SIR. LIKE I SAID, THERE ARE HARDWOODS, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THEIR FRUSTRATION IN THE WINTERTIME. HARDWOOD DO LOSE THEIR LEAVES. IT DOES LEAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A LINE OF SIGHT. WITH PLANTING A LOBLOLLY PINE, THAT IS AN EVERGREEN SPECIES. THE NEEDLES WILL BE ABUNDANT YEAR LONG SO THAT WE'LL PROVIDE THAT EXTRA SIGHT LINE OF SIGHT BUFFER FOR YOU GUYS TO KEEP YOU FROM HAVING TO SEE IT. I ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS, IF YOU'D LIKE, I'D BE GLAD TO MEET YOU OUT THERE AND WE WALK THE SITE. I'LL TELL YOU THAT IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AND SEE HOW QUICK LOBLOLLY PINES GROW, THE TRACT OF LAND THAT WE HAD ALSO PURCHASED BETWEEN WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT AND THE RIVER, THAT HAS A SECTION OF LOBLOLLY PINES THAT WERE LOGGED IN 2018 AND THEY'VE BEEN REPLANTED, AND THEY ALREADY ABOUT 14 FEET TALL, 10-14 FEET TALL AND I'D LOVE TO GO OUT AND SHOW YOU GUYS AND WE CAN PULL THE DEPARTMENT OF FOREST RECORDS OF WHEN IT WAS LOGGED AND WHEN IT WAS REPLANTED AND GIVE YOU GUYS AN IDEA OF HOW QUICK, THEY GROW AND HOW TALL AND HOW FAST THEY'VE GROWN OUT THERE. SANDY CONDITIONS LIKE THE PIT ARE IDEAL FOR LOBLOLLY PINES SO THAT THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO GROW WILL BE A LITTLE BIT FASTER AND AS WELL AS NOT HAVING THE SHADE OF OTHER TREES AND CATCHING THE EAST LINE OF SIGHT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO GROW EVEN FASTER. MR. DAVE, YOU CAN PROBABLY ELABORATE ON THAT IF I'M WRONG. BUT YEAH, IT WILL ALLOW THEM TO GROW FASTER. MY GOAL IS TO LEAVE THAT AND PLANT THAT AND HAVE THAT. >> IT'S AGREEABLE AND I'M PUTTING HIS NUMBER 12, 11 WAS HOURS TO BE EXTENDED FOR EMERGENCY CIRCUMSTANCES. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> TWELVE THE BUFFER BETWEEN THE HOUSE AREA AND THE PIT WILL BE MAINTAINED AS LOBLOLLY PINES? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO YOU AND YOUR BROTHER? >> WOULD THAT HELP ACCOMMODATE YOU GUYS TO ALLOW FOR ADJUSTMENTS IN LINE OF SIGHT? NO. >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE. YOU GUYS HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR ME OR ANYTHING? >> I JUST GOT ONE QUESTION. >> YES, SIR. >> FROM THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS, AND I'M OPEN TO EVERYONE THERE, THERE'S ACTUALLY A OPEN FIELD BEHIND THE HOUSES AND THEN THERE IS A SWAMP AREA, AND THEN THE AREA WHERE THE CUT-OVER PINE IS. THE SWAMP AREA REALLY DOESN'T HAVE ANY ADEQUATE BAY VEGETATION THAT WOULD REALLY BE CONSTITUTING A BUFFER IN A LINE OF SIGHT BECAUSE IT'S ALL LOW GROWTH, CORRECT? >> DEPENDING ON WHERE EXACTLY THE FIELD IS, AT THE MIDPOINT OF OUR TRACT OF LAND, IT GOES TO THE PINES THAT WERE PLANTED IN 2018, SO THEY'RE 12 FEET TALL. TECHNICALLY DEPENDING ON WHERE IN THAT FIELD, LOOKING THROUGH THAT SWAMP IN THE WINTERTIME, YOU WOULD SEE A LOT OF PINES ALREADY THAT'S ALREADY THERE. THE ONLY AREA WOULD BE THAT FRONT BLOCK WHERE IT'S BEING CLEAR CUT THAT YOU'D SEE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE FIELD GOES ALL THE WAY TO THAT. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THEIR SIDE OF THE SWAMP, BUT I WANT TO SAY THAT THE SWAMP CURVES DOWN THROUGH AND I THINK THE FIELD STARTS ABOUT MIDDLE WAY OF OUR TRACK, IF YOU LOOK AT THE GOOGLE MAP. >> BECAUSE THE REASON WHY I SAY THAT BECAUSE CURRENTLY I'M AT A DISADVANTAGE BECAUSE I'M SEEING AN AERIAL PHOTO THAT'S ACTUALLY NO MORE RECENT THAN 2021. I'M SEEING A FORESTED AREA THERE THAT'S GOT THE LINES IN IT AND EVERYTHING, AND THEN THAT SWAMP AREA IS AT THE TIME FILLED WITH WATER. YOU HAVE EXTENSIVE SWAMP AREAS RUNNING NOT TOO FAR FROM THE RESIDENCES COMING OFF OF THE RIVER AND EVERYTHING. I'M REALLY NOT SEEING FOR COMPARATIVE SAKE WHAT'S ALREADY YOU SAYING THAT HAS BEEN CLEAR CUT, OR WHATEVER YOU. IF THAT AREA IS CLEAR CUT, THEN THE RESIDENTS VIEWPOINT THEN THAT SWAMP IS NOT BLOCKING ANYTHING AND THEN THERE'S JUST LIKE AN OPEN FIELD BEHIND THEIR HOUSES, SO IT WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL THAT A TREE LINE BUFFER OR SOMETHING [OVERLAPPING] AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THAT WOULD TAKE TO GROW. [02:00:03] BUT WE HAD THE DISADVANTAGE OF NOT SEEING THE ACTUALITY OF WHAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW. >> I UNDERSTAND. JUST FOR REFERENCE, ANYTIME A PLACE'S LOGGED, THERE'S WHAT THEY CALL SMZ, WHICH IS A STREAM SIDE MANAGEMENT ZONE, AND THEY ARE REQUIRED TO STAY 50 FEET FROM THAT. THERE'S AT LEAST A 50-FOOT BUFFER OF TALL TREES BETWEEN US AND THE EDGE OF THAT SWAMP. IT'S NOT CLEAR CUT STRAIGHT DOWN TO THE SWAMP ON OUR SIDE IF THAT CLEARS ANYTHING UP FOR YOU. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT LIKE I SAY, FROM MY VIEWPOINT, [NOISE] WITH THE 2021 AERIAL VIEW, IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THAT, AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A BETTER ADVANTAGE IF WE HAD SOMETHING SHOWING THAT. >> A LITTLE MORE COMP. I ENCOURAGE ANYBODY THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO RIDE OUT A FEW OF THE PROPERTY, THEY COULD, I HAVE ACCOMMODATED THEM WITH THAT. >> WHEN WAS THE TEMPER CUT IN THAT SPOT? >> DO YOU REMEMBER? >> HOW ABOUT [INAUDIBLE] >> SPRAY TWICE TO KEEP THE MOLD AT LARGE. >> THEY HAD SPRAYED IT TO ALLOW IT TO BE ABLE TO PLANT IT WITH AND TO MINIMIZE VEGETATION FOR HARDWOOD. >> ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR MR. GRAY? [BACKGROUND] THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME FORWARD? >> HERE I AM AGAIN. I WOULD LIKE THE BOARD TO PUSH THIS ISSUE DOWN THE ROAD A LITTLE FURTHER AND NOT MAKE A DECISION ON IT RIGHT NOW. A REASON WHY ALL THE NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ARE NOT AWARE OF THIS SITUATION, AND OTHER REASON THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY INDICATION OF ANY GILT STATUS OF THE AREA. WE KNOW IT'S IN THE FLOOD ZONE. WE KNOW THAT MUCH. >> IT'S NOT IN THE FLOOD ZONE. WE HAVE THAT DOCUMENT [INAUDIBLE]. >> WHERE THE COMMUNITY IS IN A FLOOD ZONE. >> THE PROPERTY WILL NOT AND SHOULD NOT [OVERLAPPING]. >> YOURS MAY NOT, BUT THE COMMUNITY IS. WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS PUSH DOWNED THE ROAD A LITTLE FURTHER SO MORE STANDARDS COULD BE DONE ON IT, AND MAYBE SOME OF Y'ALL COULD GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT AND GET TO KNOW A BIRD'S EYE VIEW OF WHAT IT ACTUALLY LOOKED LIKE. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER ANY Y'ALL REMEMBER THE FLOOD, BUT WHEN THE FLOOD CAME, IT WAS TERRIBLE. IT WAS A TERRIBLE SITUATION. WE OWN INTERESTS IN THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT WE ENJOY THERE, THE VALUE OF OUR PROPERTY. WE'RE NOT OUT THERE TRYING TO MAKE $1 LIVING. YOU JUST LIKE TO ENJOY THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT WE HAVE ENJOYED OVER THE YEARS. THAT'S WHY I ASK TO TAKE SOME CONSIDERATION, NOT MAKE A HASTY DECISION ON THIS RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME FORWARD? LAST CALL. ANYONE? IF NOT, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN I HAVE THE FLOOR FOR A MINUTE? >> YES, SIR. >> YOU PEOPLE THAT CAME TONIGHT [NOISE] IS ANYBODY SATISFIED WITH WHAT YOU HEARD TONIGHT? WELL, FROM MY POINT OF VIEW WE DON'T HAVE A SHORTAGE OF SAND IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF SAND, SO I DON'T SEE WHERE THIS BARROW PIT IS GOING TO HELP ANYTHING FROM THE TOTAL SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. BUT I THINK IT WILL HAVE A VERY DETRIMENTAL EFFECT ON THE QUALITY OF THESE PEOPLE'S LIFE. IF YOU DON'T THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO INCREASE THEIR PROPERTY VALUES, THEN YOU'VE BEEN UNDER A ROCK FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS. I HAVE TO PUT MYSELF IN THEIR PLACE. IF I LIVE THERE, I WOULDN'T WANT THIS THERE EITHER. [02:05:01] I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST IT BECAUSE I CAN'T VOTE FOR SOMETHING THAT I WOULDN'T TOLERATE IN MY BACKYARD. IF I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE A GREAT BENEFIT FOR THE COUNTY, I HAD TO HAVE TO WEIGH THAT, BUT WE GOT PLENTY OF SAND. WE GOT PLENTY OF BARROW PITS. THESE PEOPLE HAVE STAKED THEIR LIVES ON WHERE THEY LIVE. THEY'RE LOYAL SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY CITIZENS. I THINK THEY NEED TO BE PROTECTED, AND I THINK THEY NEED THE FIRST CONSIDERATION. AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, IF YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS THEN YOU HAVE TO BE WILLING TO SAY THAT YOU'D BE WILLING TO BE LIVING IN ONE OF THOSE LOTS. THEREFORE, I'M ADAMANTLY AGAINST IT, AND I'LL BE AGAINST IT THE SECOND TIME. >> FLOOR IS OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. YES. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I'VE ALWAYS SAID AND YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY IT MANY TIMES, I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE FIRST, AND THAT'S THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I DO NOT LIKE TO IMPEDE BUSINESS, BUT I STILL THINK ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO PUT THEIR LIVES IN A PLACE FOR OBVIOUSLY FOR MULTIPLE GENERATIONS. I CANNOT, IN GOOD CONSCIENCE, IMPACT THEIR LIVES BY VOTING POSITIVELY FOR THIS, SO I TOO, WILL VOTE NO ON THIS PROJECT. >> BEFORE I GO ANY FURTHER, I'M GOING TO ASK HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN OUT TO VIEW THE SITE, IF YOU DON'T MIND. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? >> I'D LIKE TO COMMENT BRIEFLY. I HAVE A COMPLETELY OPPOSITE VIEW. I THINK THIS WOULD BE STIFLING SMALL BUSINESS. I THINK THE GRAYS HAVE BEEN AN ASSET TO SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. I THINK IT'S A PERFECT PLACE FOR A PIT. THE DATA THAT WE HAVE FROM OUR SECRETARY IS THAT THERE'S FOUR STRENGTHS TO THE APPLICATION, ONLY ONE WEAKNESS. OBVIOUSLY, THE DEPARTMENT OF MINES OR THE NEW NAME, WHAT'S THAT, MR. RANDOLPH? >> IT'S VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY, DIVISION OF MINES. >> ENERGY, DIVISION OF MINES OBVIOUSLY TAKES ALL THESE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION. THE THING THAT IS THEY HAVE, AND I GUESS THE FATHER SPOKE, I FORGOT YOUR NAME, SIR, AND I APOLOGIZE. >> MITCHELL GRAY. >> MITCHELL GRAY. WELL, MR. MITCHELL GRAY SAID THAT THEY'VE BEEN IN THE COMMUNITY, THEY'VE BEEN A PART OF THE COMMUNITY, AND WE'VE GOT A MINE WE CAN LOOK AT. THAT IS A CLASS ACT OPERATION, AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I'M NOT MINING AND NOT INTO SAND, BUT THAT IS A CLASS ACT OPERATION, THEY WANT AWARDS, AND THEY KEEP THE MINE. THEY LIVE HERE, SO THEY DON'T WANT TO DESTROY HERE. I THINK INTEGRITY MATTERS. I THINK THIS COMPANY HAS INTEGRITY. I DON'T WANT TO STIFLE BUSINESS. I SIT UP HERE SOMETIMES AND LISTEN TO THE QUESTIONS THAT STIFLES BUSINESS, AND I DO NOT WANT TO BE ONE THAT IS EVER CONSIDERED TO STIFLE BUSINESS TO BE SMART IN WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR SAFETY, BUT I THINK THAT INTUITIVELY, IF WE LOOK AT THIS, THIS ISN'T A GRAVEL OPERATION. THIS IS A SAND OPERATION, AND I THINK THE CONDITIONS THAT THEY PUT, 12 OF THEM WOULD KEEP THIS COMMUNITY SAFE. I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FEAR AND FACT. THERE'S A LOT OF FEAR WHEN SOMETHING COMES IN YOUR BACKYARD. I UNDERSTAND THIS, AND I RESPECT THE FOLKS, BUT WHAT WE HAVE TO DO UP HERE IS FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, AND I THINK WE SHOULD SUPPORT THEIR BUSINESS AND WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. I DON'T THINK WE COULD JUST SAY, HEY, THERE'S TOO MUCH SAND IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. I DISAGREE WITH THAT. THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING, THEY'RE DOING IT, AND THEY'RE EMPLOYING A LOT OF PEOPLE IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. I'M GOING TO VOTE A HARD YES ON THIS. >> MR. RANDALL, WOULD YOU VOTE FOR THIS IN YOUR BACKYARD? >> I WOULD I TRY TO BE INTELLECTUALLY AND CONSISTENT. >> YOU'RE A VERY DIFFERENT PERSON. THESE PEOPLE NEED TO BE PROTECTED, AND I THINK THAT THIS WAS A GREAT BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY, WE'RE GOING TO GET $2 MILLION TAX FROM IT EVERY YEAR. WE DON'T HAVE A SHORTAGE OF SAND. WE GOT PLENTY OF SAND. IF I PUT MYSELF IN THEIR PLACE, I WOULDN'T WANT IT. I'D BE APPALLED THAT WE GO THROUGH. [02:10:01] I'D SAY IF YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE FOR IT, THEN YOU'VE GOT TO BE WILLING TO HAVE IT IN YOUR BACKYARD. I DON'T WANT IT IN MY BACKYARD. >> ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COMMENT? >> WELL, WHAT I'M LOOKING AT FROM THESE MAP VIEWS AND EVERYTHING, IT SEEMS LIKE THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY AND YOUR PIECE OF PROPERTY ARE BASICALLY SITTING AS A ISOLATED ISLAND WITHIN A LOT OF FLOODPLAIN AREA AND WHAT HAVE YOU. WITH THIS ESTABLISHED COMMUNITY, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU BOUGHT THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY AS AN INVESTMENT, AND SOMETIMES WHEN YOU BUY AS AN INVESTMENT, IT DOESN'T PAN OUT THE WAY YOU WANT IT. BUT I TRULY BELIEVE ALL PARTIES HERE REALLY HAVE A REALLY DIRE CONCERN FROM THEIR VIEWPOINT. BUT I WILL HAVE TO SIDE FOR THE EXISTING COMMUNITY THAT'S THERE AND UNDERSTANDING HOW HISTORICAL COMMUNITIES ARE VANISHING. I WOULD NOT LIKE TO SEE THIS COMMUNITY VANISH JUST FOR TO DIG A HOLE IN THE GROUND, SO I WOULD HAVE TO VOTE NO AGAINST IT. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION COMMENTS? MR. MAYOR, I GUESS YOU ARE A FREE MAN, IS THAT CORRECT? >> I'M ABSTAINING FROM [INAUDIBLE] >> WELL, I'M GOING TO MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. IT IS TOUGH. THIS IS TOUGH. I RESPECT. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING TONIGHT. WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. THANK YOU FOR ALL THE COMMENTS AND THE CONCERNS. I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR. I TOO, MY FAMILY HAS DEEP ROOTS FROM COLONIAL DAYS, SO I TOO LIKE A LOT OF YOU-ALL, I HAVE GREAT TIES TO SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. I AM VERY CONCERNED ANYTIME THERE'S A PROJECT, DEVELOPMENT, SOLAR FACILITY, MY RECORD PROVES OR SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE FIRST. I UNDERSTAND THAT. NOW, IN THIS SITUATION. >> IF IT WAS BUFFERS, WHEN THOSE TREES GET UP, THOSE LOW BANDED PINES DO GROW VERY RAPIDLY. IF IT WASN'T FOR THE VISUAL, IF IT WASN'T FOR THE NOISE, AND THAT WAS TWO OF MY MAJOR CONCERNS, PLUS THE SAFETY, AND THE CREEK AND THE BEAVER POND, OF COURSE, ADDRESSES THAT. I DON'T SEE CHILDREN OR GRANDCHILDREN VICING OFF, I'M GOING TO CALL IT THE FRONT PROPERTY OFF OF FORKS OF THE RIVER ROAD, GOING BACK ONTO WHERE THE PROPOSED PIT WOULD BE, BUT THAT WAS MY THREE BIGGEST CONCERNS, AND EVEN THOUGH THE BUFFER IS NOT ESTABLISHED, IT WILL BE, I'M VERY CONFIDENT IT WILL BE. I CAN'T THINK OF A MORE FITTING BUSINESS AS THE GRANDSON'S OPERATION. I DID HAVE BEEN SEVERAL YEARS. I THINK ABOUT ALL THAT. NOT ONLY THE WORK THEY PROVIDE AND THE SERVICE THEY PROVIDE, BUT THEY'RE GOOD NEIGHBORS. THEY'RE GOOD PEOPLE, THEY'RE GOOD NEIGHBORS, THEY'RE GOOD CHRISTIAN PEOPLE, AND THEY'VE HELPED. I AM AWARE OF HOW MUCH THEY'VE HELPED THE COMMUNITY, AND I THINK THEY'D BE WILLING TO HELP THE ONES THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED IN THAT AREA EQUALLY AS WELL. I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT, BUT I THINK THEY WOULD BE. I THINK THEY WOULD BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. [02:15:02] AS A PLANNING COMMISSION, A LOT OF TIMES WE DO GET CRITICISM FOR TURNING DOWN BUSINESS VENTURES. USUALLY, WE DO THAT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT AWARE OF THE HISTORY OF SOME OF THESE APPLICANTS, BUT IN THIS CASE, I THINK THE RECORD HAS BEEN SET STRAIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF ANY ISSUES, OR ANY PROMISES, OR ANYTHING THAT THE GRANDSON'S CONSTRUCTION HAS FORMULATED, AND NOW I'M HEARING TONIGHT THAT THEY ARE CLASS A ACT AND AWARDS AND RECOGNITION THEY RECEIVED. MY STANDPOINT, IF WE'RE GOING TO LET A BUSINESS GROW, WHEN I SAY THAT IS IF THEY'RE IN THE SAND EXTRACTION BUSINESS, THEY NEED TO FIND AN AREA THAT THEY CAN MINE SAND OR ELSE THEY'LL HAVE TO MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE. BUT I'M THE TYPE PERSON I WANT EVERYBODY TO BE HAPPY WHEN THEY LEAVE HERE TONIGHT, AND I THINK MR. ASHGRAY GAVE A GREAT TESTIMONY AS TO HIS CONCERNS OVER EVERYONE ELSE'S CONCERNS. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY YOU PEOPLE, BUT A LOT OF RESIDENTS, IT'S MORE HOUSES THAN I THOUGHT IT WAS. I'LL BE HONEST. I LIVE IN NEWSOME BY THE WAY, BUT I WAS AMAZED AT HOW MANY HOUSES ARE IN THAT AREA, AND YES, ANYONE TRAVELING FORKS OF THE RIVER ROAD, THAT FIELD, IF WE'RE SAYING THE CUT-OVER IS NOT THAT THICK AT THIS TIME, THEY'RE GOING TO SEE AN EXCAVATOR, OR A DUMP TRUCK, OR WHATEVER BACK OF THEM. BUT IT'S NOT NEXT TO THE ROAD. THERE IS A DISTANCE. THERE IS A BUFFER BETWEEN THE ADJOINING LAND OWNER AND THE PROPOSED PIT, WHICH IN ITSELF IS GIVEN A LOT OF SPACE BETWEEN WHERE YOU ALL HOUSE AND OTHER PEOPLE'S HOUSES AT. I KNOW DR. [INAUDIBLE] IS GOING TO COME AND ASK, HE SAID, WELL, DO YOU WANT IN YOUR BACKYARD? NO. I DON'T WANT RIGHT IN MY BACKYARD. >> WELL, WHY DO YOU WANT IT IN THEIR BACK YARD? >> BUT IF IT WAS A FEW HUNDRED YARDS AWAY WITH WOODS, IT WOULD NOT BOTHER ME. IT WOULD NOT. NOW, THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL THESE ISSUES AND I SAID THIS BEFORE ON THIS PANEL, UNFORTUNATELY, THE ONLY WAY TO CONTROL WHAT GOES AROUND YOU IS, MY DAD HAD TOLD ME YEARS AGO, IF YOU WANT TO CONTROL WHO BUILDS NEXT TO YOU, NOW I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT WAY, WE GOT TO FACE REALITY, BUT IF A PERSON COMES IN AND BUYS A PROPERTY, THEY ARE COMING ASKING FOR A REZONING, AND OUR JOB IS TOUGH, I WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THIS, OUR JOB IS TOUGH BECAUSE WE DO AFFECT LIVELIHOODS. SOMETIMES IT'S FOR THE GOOD, SOMETIMES MAY MIGHT BE WHAT WE WANT IT. OUR JOB IS TO LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE, AND ALSO, I WANT TO REMIND YOU OF THIS, WE ARE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, WE ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE THE DECISION, WE MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE GOVERNOR BODY, WHICH IS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, SO NO MATTER HOW THIS GOES TONIGHT, EITHER PARTY, EITHER SIDE, IT'S NOT FINISHED TONIGHT. BUT WE TAKE THIS AT HEART AND HOWEVER WE VOTE TONIGHT, WE ALL HAVE A REASON BEHIND IT, AND UNFORTUNATELY, SOMETIMES WE JUST CAN'T GET THAT HAPPY MEDIUM, AND I'M INCLINED TO VOTE FOR THE APPLICATION. BEING THAT I DO PROMOTE LOCAL BUSINESSES, AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, HOWEVER THIS GOES WITH THE GOVERNING BODY IN NEXT MONTH OR SO IF WE VOTE TONIGHT, THEY ARE A CLASS A ACT, AND I PUT MY REPUTATION ON THAT. I CAN'T THINK OF A BETTER NEIGHBOR, AND I REALLY MEAN THAT. I THINK I KNOW ENOUGH FOR ABOUT THE OPERATION, THAT IF YOU IF ANYBODY WAS GOING TO COME IN THAT CLOSE TO YOU WITH ANY TYPE OF BUSINESS, I REALLY THINK WHEN THAT GATE OPENS UP OR IF YOU GET THAT TELEPHONE NUMBER, [02:20:01] I THINK THEY'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, ANY CONCERNS, AND I REALLY THINK THEY'LL GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS. I WISH THOSE TREES, I WISH THAT BUFFER HAD ALREADY BEEN THERE, MY DECISION WOULD HAVE BEEN EASIER. MY BIG PROBLEM THERE, THE BUFFER IS GOING TO TAKE A FEW YEARS FOR THAT BUFFER TO GET PUT UP. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, REMEMBER, THEY'RE GOING TO BE DIGGING IN A HOLE. SOME OF IT IS GOING TO BE LOWERED IN ELEVATION ANYWAY. BUT IN THE END RESULT, I'VE SEEN SEVERAL MINES IN THE COUNTY THAT HAVE BEEN CLOSED. YOU SAY, WELL, I'M NOT A SANDER BUT I'M A FARMER. SOMETIME I TAKE MY DUMP TRUCK AND GO TO THESE MINES, AND THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN RECLAIMED IS SOMETHING VERY WELCOMING. IT'S A NICE POND. I'VE SEEN HOUSES BUILT ON THESE PONDS. I THINK THE END RESULT COULD STILL BE VERY FAVORABLE DOWN THE ROAD. BUT ANYWAY, THIS IS DIFFICULT PEOPLE. BUT I'M NOT GOING TO REITERATE WHAT I'VE ALREADY SAID, BUT I DO THINK THEY'D BE GREAT NEIGHBORS AND I THINK THEY WILL WORK WITH YOU IF IT GOES THROUGH. THAT'S MY COMMENT. ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO VOICE AN OPINION? >> WELL, IT'S NOT DIFFICULT FOR ME. WHEN I TOOK AN OATH OF THE OFFICE, I PROMISED TO PROTECT THE CITIZEN OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, AND THEREFORE, I'M JUST NOT GOING TO MESS AROUND ANYMORE. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DENY THE REQUEST. >> I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO DENY THE REQUEST. DO I HEAR A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> I'M GOING TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I THINK I HEARD YOU FIRST. I HAVE A MOTION AND A PROPER SECOND TO DENY THE REQUEST. ALL IN FAVOR. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION, EXCUSE ME. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, COMMENTS? IF NOT, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR OF DENYING THE REQUEST VOTE YEAH. >> YEAH. >> YES. >> YES. >> I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, LET'S DO A SHOW OF HANDS. A SHOW OF HANDS IN FAVOR OF DENYING THE REQUEST. ONE, 2, 3. THREE. THAT'S WHAT I'M SEEING. THIS REQUEST OF COURT NAZA IS A RECOMMENDATION ONLY. WE'RE NOT DECIDING TONIGHT. IT'S A RECOMMENDATION, WELL, IT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION WAY IS PRESENTED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. NOW CALL FOR THE ONES OF DENIAL OF THE REQUEST, RAISE YOUR HAND. >> DENIAL OF THE REQUEST. >> CAN YOU REWORD THAT? >> I'M SORRY. THAT DIDN'T COME OUT RIGHT. THE ONES OPPOSED TO THE MOTION. >> OPPOSED TO DENY THE APPLICATION. >> CORRECT. >> RAISE YOUR HAND. WE GOT A VOTE OF FOUR TO THREE, IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT KILLS THE MOTION. >> I GOT A SECOND. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ALONG TO OUR LAST HEARING. >> EXCUSE ME, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> I THINK THERE SHOULD BE ANOTHER MOTION BECAUSE THE MOTION FAILED. I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ALLOCATION. >> I SECOND. >> I'M SORRY. THANK YOU FOR CORRECTING ME. I'M SORRY. >> MY MOTION WOULD ENCOMPASS THE 12 PROFFERS THAT WERE PROFFERED BY THE APPLICANT. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. I PROMPT A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION? THE POINT OF CLARIFICATION, THE CONDITIONS, NUMBER 7 STATES THAT THE BUFFERS OR SETBACKS SHALL BE PRESCRIBED BY REGION DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY DIVISION OF MINES AND MINERALS. THAT SHOULD BE REPHRASED TO SETBACKS, FLASH BUFFERS, SHALL BE A MINIMUM 100 FEET FROM THE NORTH, SOUTH, AND WEST PROPERTY LINES, AND THEN ITEM 11 WOULD BE HOURS TO BE EXTENDED DURING EMERGENCY SITUATIONS ONLY BASED ON MUNICIPALITY'S NEEDS, [02:25:03] AND THEN NUMBER 12, THE BUFFERS TO BE MAINTAINED WITH LOBLOLLY PINES. >> CAN WE SAY MANAGED LOBLOLLY PINES? >> IS MANAGED. SURE. >> I'M GOING TO DEFER TO THE FORESTER ON THAT, ANY LANGUAGE THAT ENERGY. >> TO KEEP A HEALTHY FOREST. TO KEEP A HEALTHY BUFFER, CORRECT? >> I THINK THE ATTENTION IS LOBLOLLY GROW AS THICK AS POSSIBLE AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE, I'M SURE. >> THUS, THAT WOULD MEAN IT WOULD BE A MINIMUM OF 100 FEET. >> CORRECT. >> MINIMUM. >> A MINIMUM. >> YES. >> RIGHT. >> THEY MAY DECIDE TO DO A LITTLE MORE POSSIBLE. >> BUT YOU STILL MIGHT WANT TO PUT IN THERE ALL PRESCRIBED BY VIRGINIA ENERGY, WHICHEVER IS GREATER. I'M REALLY NOT SURE WHAT VIRGINIA ENERGY REQUIRES, AND THEY MAY REQUIRE SOMETHING MORE THAN 100 FEET. THAT'S NECESSARY. YOU STILL MIGHT WANT TO KEEP SOMETHING IN THERE BY VIRGINIA ENERGY THAT IS 100 FEET MINIMUM OF WHAT'S PRESCRIBED BY VIRGINIA ENERGY, WHICHEVER IS RIGHT. >> BUT THERE'S STILL IS NOT ANYTHING IN THERE AS OF HOW MANY DAYS A WEEK YOU'RE GOING TO WORK THERE, CORRECT? DO WE DO WE NEED TO SPECIFY THAT AS WELL OR NOT? >> WELL, IT SAYS 5.5 DAYS. WELL, FIVE DAYS, MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, HALF A DAY, FRIDAY, AND POSSIBLY ON SATURDAY, CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S LIKE FOUR HOURS OF OPERATION. >> WOULD DO 4.5 DAYS OR FIVE DAYS. >> HE DID SAY SIX WHEN HE WAS UP THERE EARLIER. >> I FIGURED MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, BUT OUR TYPICAL OPERATION IS FOUR, MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY AND THEN HALF DAY ON FRIDAY, TYPICALLY. WE DON'T TYPICALLY WORK ON SATURDAY OR SUNDAY. WE DON'T WORK ON SUNDAYS AT ALL. TYPICALLY DON'T WORK ON SATURDAYS. >> FIVE DAYS UNLESS ITS AN EMERGENCY SITUATION, IS THAT CORRECT? >> I WANT TO ALSO THIS IS A BY-APPOINTMENT ONLY FIT. THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE OPEN ALL WEEK LONG FOR ANYBODY TO ACCESS MAINLY JUST FOR OUR TRUCKS [INAUDIBLE] FOR OUR PROJECT. THEN WE WOULD BE GOING NORTH TOWARDS FRANKLIN IS WHERE WE WOULD BE TURNING. WE WOULD NOT BE GOING SOUTH. WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE TYPICALLY HAVE ANY JOBS IN CAROLINA OR GOING THAT WAY SO MAINLY TURNING AND GOING BACK TOWARDS 58 OR 189. >> MR. RANDOLPH, WE GOOD NOW? >> YES. >> MR. RANDOLPH, CLARIFICATION, THIS WILL COME TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN MARCH, IS THAT RIGHT? >> IF A RECOMMENDATION IS CARRIED FORWARD FROM THIS BODY THIS EVENING, YES, THE ANTICIPATED PUBLIC HEARING WOULD BE AT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING AT THEIR MARCH MEETING. >> THAT'S THE FOURTH TUESDAY IN THE MONTH. >> IT WILL BE ADVERTISED, CORRECT? >> IT WOULD BE ADVERTISED. >> IT WILL BE ADVERTISED FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, AND ALL ADJOINING NON PROPERTY OWNERS, AND THOSE IN THE VICINITY WILL RECEIVE NOTICE OF THE HEARING. >> I'M JUST GOING TO SUGGEST, I HOPE I DON'T GET OUT OF LINE ON THIS, I THINK AS WE GO FORWARD UNTIL THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING, THEY ACTUALLY VOTE ON THE APPLICATION, I WOULD ENCOURAGE ANY OF YOU TO HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS THAT MAYBE HASN'T BEEN ANSWERED TONIGHT. I THINK THE APPLICANT WOULD BE WILLING TO TALK WITH YOU, OR WALK OUT AND SHOW YOU, IS THAT OKAY IF I SAY THAT? >> THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE. >> WELL, DUE TO YOUR PRESENTATION TONIGHT. >> [INAUDIBLE] FINISH OUR MOTION. >> WE GOT TO DO THE MOTION. >> WE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND, BUT WE DIDN'T VOTE. >> WE HAVE NOT VOTED YET? ANYWAY, I WOULD STILL RECOMMEND GET THAT PHONE NUMBER CALL THEM. ARE WE FINISHED WITH DISCUSSION. READY TO VOTE? THIS IS TO ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION OR MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE VOTING FOR NOW. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION PRESENTED, RAISE YOUR HAND. FOUR. ANY OPPOSED, LIKE SIGN. THREE. >> ONE ABSTAINING. >> ONE ABSTAINING? >> YES. AT THIS POINT, WE DO HAVE ANOTHER HEARING. IF YOU'D LIKE TO STAY, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO STAY. IF YOU'D LIKE TO BE EXCUSED, YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO SO. >> WE'LL TAKE A BREAK. >> BUT AGAIN, I APPRECIATE YOU ALL BEING HERE TONIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE WILL TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE BREAK. >> THAT'S GOOD. [02:30:05] >> [BACKGROUND] [NOISE] I'M GOING TO CALL THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER. MR. RANDALL, HE'LL BE HERE SHORTLY. >> WE CAN GO WITHOUT HIM. >> I'M GETTING OLDER EVERY DAY. >> MR. RANDOLPH, WE'LL GO DOWN TO ITEM UNDER HEARING NUMBER C. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THE THIRD PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING IS ZONING 2025-2 APPLICATION BY ROBERT P. PARKER OWNER, REQUESTING A CHANGE IN ZONING CLASSIFICATION FROM M1, LIMITED INDUSTRIAL TO A1, AGRICULTURAL FOR 3.9 ACRES. THE PURPOSE OF THE APPLICATION IS FOR A PRIMARY RESIDENCE. PROPERTY IS IDENTIFIED AS TAX PARCEL 58-10A. IT'S LOCATED ON OLD CART ROAD, ROUTE 758, APPROXIMATELY ONE HALF MILE SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION WITH INDIAN TOWN ROAD, ROUTE 651, AND IT'S IN THE NORTHWEST VOTING DISTRICT. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. RANDOLPH BEFORE WE GO FORWARD? IF NOT, I'M GOING TO OPEN TO PUBLIC HEARING [NOISE] AND I'M GOING TO ASK IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE, IF YOU'LL COME FORWARD. >> MY NAME IS ROBERT PARKER, 28210, SOUTHAMPTON PARKWAY. >> WELCOME. >> THANK YOU. >> JUST TELL US WHAT YOUR AIMS ARE. YOU WANT TO BUILD A HOUSE? >> SURE. YEAH, WE WANT TO BUILD A HOUSE. THE CURRENT M1 IS ACTUALLY TWO PARCELS, AND SO IT'S CONVENIENTLY INTO 23.9 ACRES. I GUESS MY FATHER WHEN HE HAD THE CHANGE FROM A1 TO M1, HE HAD THE IDEAS OF MAKING IT LARGER, GROWING A BUSINESS, BUT EVER SINCE THEN, WE'VE BUILT ON 58. WE REALLY DON'T NEED THAT AS M1 ANYMORE. WE'D JUST LIKE TO CONVERT THAT BACK TO A1 WHERE IT WAS ORIGINALLY AND BUILD OUR PRIMARY RESIDENCE ON THAT LOCATION. >> DO Y'ALL DO ANY PROCESS? >> WE PROCESS OUT THERE. BUT WE'RE STILL GOING TO KEEP ONE, THE ONE WHERE THE ACTUAL BUILDINGS ON. THE LOT THAT WE WANT TO CONVERT BACK IS JUST OPEN LOT, IT'S JUST FIELD. >> THAT'S FOR YOUR PURPOSE? >> PURPOSE, YEAH. FOR BUILDING RESIDENCE, YES. >> THAT'S 5810A, IS THAT? >> IT'S THE ONE CLOSEST TO OLD CART ROAD. YOU WANT TO BUILD A HOUSE THERE? >> YEAH. IN THE OPEN FIELD, THAT'S CORRECT. >> THAT'S THE APPLICATION, AND THEN THERE'S A SMALL BUILDING WHERE YOU PROCESS? >> YEAH. THAT'S A SEPARATE PARCELS. >> THAT'S M1? >> CORRECT THAT'S GOING TO REMAIN M1. THAT'S RIGHT. >> DO YOU SEE THAT? THAT'S WHERE PARCEL NUMBER IS ON THAT? >> ON THE ONE? >> THAT YOU PROCESS? >> I DO NOT KNOW. >> IT'S 5811A. >> OLD CART ROAD ACTUALLY RUNS PAST YOUR OPERATION. IT LOOKED LIKE ON GOOGLE, IT WAS A DOTTED LINE THAT RAN ON IN THE FIELD. >> INTERSTATE MAINTENANCE IS JUST RIGHT WHERE THE MAILBOX IS. IT'S JUST RIGHT AS YOU GET TO OUR LOADING DOCK. >> IS IT A FARM PATH THERE. >> THERE'S FARM PATHS THAT GO BACK TO OTHER FIELDS. >> YOU GET ABOUT WHAT? MAYBE TWO CARS A DAY? >> OH GOD. WELL, HUNTING SEASON IS DIFFERENT. BUT WHEN THERE'S NOT HUNTING SEASON, ONE. IF I'M NOT THERE, EVEN [INAUDIBLE] EVERY DAY. >> WELL, YOU CAN COLLECT D LINK COMING BACK FRANKLIN. >> EXACTLY. YEAH, IT SOUNDS GREAT. I'LL DO THAT. >> [BACKGROUND] YOU'VE MOVED THE MAIN OPERATION TO 58? >> CORRECT. THAT WOULD BE THE REASON WE WANT TO SWITCH. >> THAT'S WHERE THE COFFEE SHOP? >> CORRECT. >> THAT'S WHERE YOU COOK MOST OF THE PEANUTS? >> NO. WE'RE STILL ON OLD CART ROAD. WE PROCESS THERE, [OVERLAPPING] BUT EVERYTHING'S TRANSPORTED. >> THAT'S RETAIL. >> CORRECT. WE PACKAGE THERE AS WELL. THERE'S NOBODY BEYOND THAT. REALLY THERE'S NO HOUSES BEYOND THAT, SO THERE'S NOTHING THERE. >> YOU PACKAGE ON? >> FIFTY EIGHT, CORRECT. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? >> MR. PARKER, I THINK YOU CAME AT THE RIGHT TIME AFTER THE LAST THING AND EVERYBODY IS TALKED OUT. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WANTS TO ARGUE ABOUT ANYTHING ANYMORE. >> [OVERLAPPING] WE SHOULD HAVE PUT YOU AS NUMBER 2. >> OR NUMBER 1. WHY DIDN'T YOU DO THAT? [LAUGHTER] INTERESTING DIALOGUE FOR SURE WITH THE OTHER APPLICANTS. >> IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. PARKER, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION. >> SOMEBODY IN THE AUDIENCE MIGHT WANT TO MAKE. >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WANT TO COME FORWARD? >> I'M JUMPING THE GUN. [LAUGHTER]. >> IF NOT, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE HEARING. FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, WHAT'S THE PLEASURE? >> MOVE APPROVAL. [02:35:02] >> [OVERLAPPING] SECOND. >> HAVE A PROPER MOTION FOR APPROVAL? >> YES. >> A PROPER SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> NO WEAKNESSES LISTED. >> I SAW THAT. >> THAT'S RARE. >> I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> [OVERLAPPING] AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? UNANIMOUS. CONGRATULATIONS. >> GENTLEMAN MARK TWAIN ONCE SAID IF YOU'RE HAVING A MEETING, THERE'S ROOMFUL OF PEOPLE AND EVERYBODY'S THINKING THE SAME THING, IT PROBABLY MEANS NOBODY'S THINKING. [LAUGHTER] >> YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY FOR THE REST OF OUR MEETING. >> IT WON'T BE MUCH LONGER. >> GOOD EVENING. >> THANK YOU, MR. PARKER. >> RESERVE THE BALANCE OF YOUR TIME. >> ITEM NUMBER 5 IS NO UNFINISHED BUSINESS. NUMBER 6, NO NEW BUSINESS BEING BROUGHT FORWARD, [6. NEW BUSINESS] ANYTHING AMONG OUR [INAUDIBLE]. ONE THING I MUST ASK OR REQUEST, MR. RANDOLPH IN THE COMING MONTHS, I'M GOING TO LEAVE LIKE THAT. ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU CAN GET US ON DATA CENTERS. I'M HEARING SOME THINGS THAT COULD BE SOME CONCERNS. ANYTHING YOU COULD FORMULATE FOR US, PUT IN OUR PACKET POSSIBLY, JUST AS WE GO FORWARD, WE'VE ALREADY HEARD IT COULD BE SOME DISCUSSION LATER ON. IT'S JUST TO GET AHEAD OF THE GAME. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. JUST TO LET THE COMMISSION KNOW, I DO NOT HAVE ANY PUBLIC HEARING APPLICATIONS FOR YOUR MARCH MEETING, SO WE MAY BE ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER SOME INTRODUCTORY INFORMATION REGARDING DATA CENTERS AND THEN BUILD ON THAT. >> THAT'LL HIT ALL SIDES, CORPORATE PLANING [OVERLAPPING] SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE. >> WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO PUT SOME OF THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER FOR YOUR MARCH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. >> MY CONCERN IS MORE ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S REQUIRED IN THAT TYPE OF PLAN. >> LET ME ASK YOU FROM SOMEBODY ON SOLAR FACILITIES. I KNOW THERE'S THINGS GOING ON IN RICHMOND. ANYBODY GOT ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT OR KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT? >> THE ONE SIDE, IT CAME UP TO, I THINK IT MADE IT BY ONE OR TWO VOTES, NOT TO LET THE STATE HAVE CONTROL, BUT TO LET THE LOCALITY HAVE IT. EVERY YEAR IT HAS BEEN ONE OR TWO VOTES. IF WE LOSE SOMEBODY IN THE LEGISLATURE, AND IF WE GET A DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR IN THIS NEXT ELECTION, BUT THERE'S A TIE, YOU KNOW WHERE THE TIE WILL GO. >> WELL, I WAS IN A CONVERSATION AND I GOT SEVERAL ARTICLES EMAILED TO ME AND WHAT I'LL TRY TO DO IS GO BACK AND FIND THOSE AND FORWARD THEM ON TO EACH ONE OF YOU. I MIGHT JUST FORWARD IT TO JAY AND LET HIM GO TO IT, THAT WAY, I DON'T HAVE TO FIND OUT EVERYTHING. BUT IT WAS SEVERAL ARTICLES THAT WAS FORWARDED TO ME AND ALL OF THEM SEEMED TO BE A LITTLE INTERESTING. I THINK ONE OF THEM, I THINK THE GROUP THAT WANTED TO TRY TO COME IN AND GUIDE US IN OUR DECISIONS AS THE WAY IT WAS PUT TO ME, WE JUST NEEDED THAT GUIDANCE AS A LOCALITY, AND I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING. BUT ANYWAY, I THINK THE PERSON THAT WAS INVOLVED, THAT USED TO WORK WITH VIRGINIA ENERGY, WORKED WITH THEM BACK WHEN IT WAS DIVISION OF METAL MINES AND ENERGY. KEEPING IN MIND, AT THE TIME IT WAS DMMA AND STILL WITH VIRGINIA ENERGY, THEY HAVE NO REGULATORY AUTHORITY AT THE SOLE FACILITY. I THINK WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO WAS, THIS NEW GROUP THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO GET TO COME INTO PLAY, WOULD HAVE SOME REGULATORY AUTHORITY. BUT THAT WAS JUST IN DISCUSSION. I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE ARTICLE. I'LL TRY TO GET THOSE ARTICLES TO JAY AND FORWARD THEM ON TO YOU. THIS CAME FROM SOMEBODY THAT'S A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE SOURCE, BUT I HAVE NOT KEPT UP WITH IT. I DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE THEY GOT VOTED TODAY, WHICH IS A GOOD SIGN. >> THE OTHER POLITICAL NEWS IS WITH THE CHANGE IN WASHINGTON MAKES IT MORE LIKELY THAT THE CHINESE QUESTION WITH THE PINK CAMP PARKWAY LAND MAY BE UNWOUND. >> THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S COME DOWN THE PIPELINE ON THAT, BUT THE ODDS ARE. >> NO. BUT THE FACT THAT THERE'S NOTHING COME DOWN THE PIPELINE IS GOOD NEWS. NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS. >> VERY GOOD. WELL, I STILL THINK THAT WITH OUR ORDINANCE, US LOOKING AT THEIR 50 YEAR PROJECTION OR WHAT THEY NEEDED, AND WE DECIDED TO GIVE OUR FAIR SHARE. [02:40:02] I THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT I FEEL LIKE WOULD STAND UP IN COURT IF IT WENT THAT FAR BECAUSE WE LOOKED AT ALL THE ACREAGE IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA. WHEREAS WE CONTRIBUTED OUR FAIR SHARE BASED ON AS THE LAND STANDS RIGHT NOW, THAT GIVES OTHER NORTHERN COUNTIES WITHOUT CALLING NAMES TO LIVE UP TO THE SAME FORM AND THERE AREN'T ANY POSSIBLE LAND THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THAT. >> I THINK WE'RE GETTING A LOT SMARTER ABOUT SOLAR. I THINK RIGHT NOW THERE'S NOT SO MUCH PUSH ON THAT. EVERYBODY REALIZES WHAT PARSE IT IS. I SAW ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE TODAY. THE LATEST EXPLANATION OF WHERE OUR K THROUGH 12 STANDS IN THE WORLD IS NUMBER 40. >> OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM? >> YEAH. >> OUR PLACES IN THE WORLD, K THROUGH 12 IS WE'RE NUMBER 40 IN THE WORLD. ONE THING WE HAVE IN OUR FAVOR, WE SPEND MORE MONEY ON EACH STUDENT THAN ANY COUNTRY. THE FIRST TOP FIVE COUNTRIES ARE FINLAND, SWEDEN, DENMARK, CHINA, AND ONE OTHER AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE OTHER ONE IS. BUT FOR THE FIVE OR THE SCANDINAVIAN COUNTRIES, CHINA IS LIKE FOUR OR FIVE. WE'RE NUMBER 40. BETTER DISCOURAGING. >> WELL, I THINK AND I'M GOING TO JUMP BACK TO THE SOLAR STEP. I THINK IF WE STAY PROACTIVE AND THE THING ABOUT THE DATA FACILITIES AND THE BATTERY STORAGE. I THINK THE DATA FACILITIES FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, REQUIRES AN AWFUL LOT OF ENERGY. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING. >> A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF ENERGY. THE BATTERY STORAGE, I THINK THERE WAS ONE ARTICLE THAT WAS SENT TO ME ABOUT THAT ABOUT THE HAZARDS OF THAT. BUT I THINK IF WE LEAN TOWARDS IF WE'RE JUST ADAMANT THAT WE GOT TO HAVE SOLAR, THAT SINCE THE TAXPAYERS ARE FUNDING THE SOLAR ENERGY, THE TAXPAYERS SHOULD GET THE PANELS PUT ON THEIR HOUSES SO THAT IF THE GRID GOES DOWN, THEY'VE GOT SOME ENERGY DURING THE DAYTIME ANYWAY. >> THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAD BEEN SUBSIDIZING THE SOLAR COMPANIES. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> I THINK THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE. THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF WIND OUT OF THEIR SALES. >> I THINK THERE'S ONE OF THE WIND FACILITIES IN NEW JERSEY THAT HAS LOST THEIR PERMIT. >> I THINK THEY CANCELED ANY FURTHER DEVELOPMENT. >> THEY CANCELED THE OFFSHORE, THE ATLANTIC. TRUMP CANCELED THAT THE SECOND DAY IN. >> BUT THAT WAS NEW JERSEY'S AND NOT VIRGINIA'S, CORRECT? >> I THINK HE CANCELED IT. I DON'T THINK WE'RE DOING ANYTHING THERE. [BACKGROUND] THE WHOLE ATLANTIC SHORES OFF. >> DOMINIONS OFFSHORE IS STILL ON THE TABLE. >> YOU GO TO EUROPE, THOSE THINGS ARE SITTING AROUND THE MEDITERRANEAN ALL RUSTING AND THEY GAVE UP ON THEM. >> WELL, I WAS THINKING THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE DOMINIONS PROJECT, AND THEN I READ SOMEWHERE IT WAS NEW JERSEY. NEVER DID SEE ANYTHING ABOUT DOMINION. I DIDN'T SEE THAT IT WAS CANCELED, BUT I DIDN'T SEE IT WAS PROGRESSING. THAT'S STILL UP TO NOW. BUT BOTTOM LINE IS ALL FORMS OF ENERGY ARE GREAT. >> EUROPE IS STARTING TO GO WITH SMALL, MEDIUM NUCLEAR FACILITIES. >> WELL, I'LL JUST SHARE ON A WEEK TO WEEK, MONTH TO MONTH BASIS IN MY OFFICE. I GET A LOT OF REQUESTS, NOT FOR THE LARGER UTILITY SCALE, MORE THE 5-10, 15 MEGAWATT, THE 30, 50 ACRE SMALLER TYPE OF SITES. >> [OVERLAPPING] WE CAN PUT ALL THE SOLAR IN GREENLAND, AFTER WE BUY GREENLAND. >> WELL, I STILL GET A LOT OF STUFF COMING FROM SCHOOLS IN MY DESK. I'VE BEEN GETTING SOLAR OFFERS FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS. I CAN SIT HERE AND SAY THAT WHEN I VOTED, IT WASN'T BECAUSE I WAS JEALOUS BECAUSE I DIDN'T GET AN OFFER. >> THE OFFERS ARE PRETTY ATTRACTIVE. >> WELL, THEY MAKE IT LOOK ATTRACTIVE, AND IT'S JUST THE STUFF THAT COMES THROUGH THE MAIL. IT'S LIKE THE CREDIT CARD. >> [OVERLAPPING] THAT SUBSIDY IS GOING TO BE GONE WITH TRUMP. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THAT FEDERAL SUBSIDY. THEY CAN PAY A LOT. YOU WON'T BELIEVE WHAT THEY PAY, WHAT THEY'VE OFFERED [BACKGROUND] IN THIS COUNTY FOR SOME OF THESE STUFF, LIKE A MILLION DOLLARS FOR A START. BUT THAT'S GOING TO COME TO AN END. >> WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON ALONG. MR. RANDOLPH, YOU GOT ANYTHING ELSE? >> NO, SIR. >> BY THE WAY, IT'S SEVEN O'CLOCK. WORKS GOOD WITH ME. EVERYBODY? >> WELL, I'M GLAD WE DID. >> [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER] IT'S OKAY. IT'S NOT TOO EARLY BECAUSE MR. RANDALL MADE IT. [02:45:02] >> MR. RANDALL, GOOD WITH YOU? Y'ALL VOTED FOR THE AGENDA LAST MEETING. [OVERLAPPING] I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> MOTION ADJOURNED. >> SECOND >> THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU. >> GOOD TO HAVE YOU BACK. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.