I'M GOING TO ASK IF EVERYONE WOULD STAND AS WE RECITE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO OUR FLAG.
[I. CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL]
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I WANT TO ASK YOU IF YOU'LL REMAIN STANDING; I HAVE A SHORT INVOCATION.HEAVENLY FATHER, WE GIVE THANKS, LORD, FOR THIS DAY THAT WE CAN COME TO ASSEMBLE AS CITIZENS, AND THIS COMMISSION OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, AND FOR ALL THE ONES THAT HAVE COME TONIGHT HAVING DIFFERENT INTERESTS.
LORD, WE ALSO WANT TO REMEMBER ALL THOSE LESS FORTUNATE TONIGHT THAT ARE EXPERIENCING THE AFTERMATH OF ANOTHER HURRICANE, ESPECIALLY OUR FRIENDS IN NORTH CAROLINA. THE DEVASTATION THEY'RE STILL DEALING WITH AND WILL FOR MONTHS TO COME.
I'D LIKE TO CALL THE OCTOBER MEETING OF THE SOUTHAMPTON PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE WE WELCOME EACH, EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU HERE TONIGHT.
APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT TO BE A PART OF IT TONIGHT.
I JUST HAD MY SPECIAL DELIVERED.
THIS IS MY WIFE BRINGING MY GLASSES.
SO NOW I CAN FUNCTION NOW, BUT I DO APPRECIATE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU COMING TONIGHT.
THIS IS WHAT MAKES OUR COUNTY GREAT, THAT WE DO HAVE CONCERNS AND WE CAN WORK THROUGH DIFFERENT ISSUES OR WHATEVER THOSE CONCERNS MAY BE.
SO BEFORE I GET STARTED A LOT, MY PANEL REALLY IS JUST MEETING MISTER NUCKOLS TONIGHT FOR THE FIRST TIME, BUT MISTER NUCKOLS IS ALSO GETTING READY TO LEAVE US.
HE'S BEEN OUR INTERIM PLANNING DIRECTOR SINCE OUR FORMER DIRECTOR LEFT BACK IN APRIL, AND BUT WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE TONIGHT.
YOU GOT A COMMENT? WANT TO SAY ANYTHING? WELL, IT'S VERY KIND.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE.
ALSO I'M GOING TO LET, WELL, I ALSO WANT TO WELCOME FRANK URQUHART TO OUR MEETING TONIGHT.
FRANK IS REPRESENTING THE [INAUDIBLE] DISTRICT, WHICH IS THE NORTHEAST.
IS THAT RIGHT? NORTHEAST DISTRICT? YES. GOT IT RIGHT? OKAY.
SO FRANK, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU AND YOU OF US, AND THANK YOU FOR STEPPING UP.
AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO LET DR.
EDWARDS. HE'S GOING TO HE'S GOING TO INTRODUCE OUR NEW DIRECTOR OF PLANNING, WHICH REALLY IS NOT A REALLY NEW FACE AFTER ALL, BUT I'M GOING TO LET DR. EDWARDS EXPLAIN THAT.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I'M HAPPY TO INTRODUCE MR. JAY RANDOLPH THERE, AND HE'S THE GUY YOU WILL BE DEALING WITH.
HE'S OUR NEW DIRECTOR OF PLANNING.
HE WAS HERE FOR 4 OR 5 YEARS BACK WHEN SOME OF US OLDER FELLOWS WERE HERE.
MICHAEL MANN, MICHAEL DRAKE AND MYSELF ARE THE ONLY SURVIVING PEOPLE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION HE WAS WITH, AND HE DID AN EXCELLENT JOB THEN I KNOW HE'S GOING TO DO AN EXCELLENT JOB NOW.
HE'S VERY RESPONSIVE, AND YOU NEED TO CALL.
I GUARANTEE YOU HE'LL TALK WITH YOU, AND I GUARANTEE YOU HE'LL TAKE CARE OF YOUR PROBLEMS, AND WE ARE LUCKY TO HAVE HIM ON BOARD, AND HIS FIRST OFFICIAL TODAY DAY IS TOMORROW, I BELIEVE.
OKAY GOING DOWN THE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE SEPTEMBER 12TH
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MEETING. I'M ASSUMING EVERYBODY RECEIVED A PACKET.[00:05:01]
I GOT MINE HAND-DELIVERED ON FRIDAY, AND I'VE HAD A CHANCE TO READ THROUGH IT.SO IS THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS? I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THEM.
SECOND. I HAVE A PROPER MOTION AND A PROPER SECOND TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED.
ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL CALL IT A VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF ACCEPTING THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED? SAY AYE. AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? LIKE SIGN, AND IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
OKAY. ITEM NUMBER THREE ON THE AGENDA IS THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AT THIS TIME IF YOU HAVE ANY RESPONSE OR COMMENTS OR ISSUES WITH SOMETHING IN THE COUNTY THAT WE MAY BE OF SOME ASSISTANCE TO, AND I WANT TO ASK THAT THESE COMMENTS WILL NOT PERTAIN TO THE ANY OF THE SIX HEARINGS, BECAUSE THERE'S NO NEED IN DUPLICATING WHAT'S GOING TO BE COMING UP.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT--I MEAN, PUBLIC MEETINGS--FOR THE SIX HEARINGS, BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE ON YOUR MIND YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK TOWARD I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PERIOD.
NOW, YOU MAY COME FORWARD, AND IF YOU WOULD GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
FORWARD. MY NAME IS JANE BARNES.
I LIVE AT 23466 OLD RIDGE ROAD IN COURTLAND, BUT I AM ONE OF THE OWNERS OF THE FARM THAT IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE VALLEY PROTEIN PROPERTY.
DO YOU MIND SAVING THAT COMMENT UNTIL WE GET TO THAT PART, PLEASE? NO. I WILL BE MOST HAPPY AND MAN, WE GOT A REALLY BUSY AGENDA TONIGHT.
I'VE NEVER FACED SIX HEARINGS IN ONE NIGHT BEFORE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR UNDERSTANDING.
ANYONE ELSE, ANY OTHER CONCERN OTHER THAN THE ISSUES PERTAINING TO THE HEARINGS TONIGHT? ALL RIGHT. IF NOT, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
[IV. PUBLIC HEARING]
NUCKOLS WOULD READ THE DESCRIPTION ON THAT, PLEASE.THE FIRST APPLICATION IS FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT 2024-02 APPLICATION BY TROY BRINKLEY FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT MAP AMENDMENT FROM AGRICULTURAL FOREST, OPEN SPACE, RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL FOR TAX PARCELS 94-8, 107-1-2 THROUGH SEVEN.
ACRES IS LOCATED IN THE SOUTH QUAY ROAD HOMESTEAD DAIRY TRACK ONE, AND THE PROPERTY IS IN THE SOUTHEAST VOTING DISTRICT AND THE BLACKWATER RIVER VOTING PRECINCT.
I'M GOING TO AT THIS POINT, I'M GOING TO ASK THE BOARD.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. NUCKOLS BEFORE WE PROCEED WITH THE HEARING? OKAY. ALL RIGHT.
BEFORE I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
JUST JUST SO WE REMAIN CALM AND WE GET THROUGH THIS IN A RULING MANNER.
I'M GOING TO ASK IF ANYONE HAS A CELL PHONE.
PLEASE TURN IT OFF OR MAKE IT WHERE I DON'T HEAR IT.
I DON'T I DON'T GOING OFF TO DISTRACT ANYONE.
SECOND OF ALL, ONCE I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING I'M GOING TO LET THE APPLICANT AND THOSE ASSOCIATED WITH THE APPLICANT IF YOU'LL COME FORWARD FIRST.
I APPRECIATE THAT, AND I'M GOING TO ASK MY PANEL.
ONCE THE APPLICANT AND THE AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE HEARING BEFORE THE HEARING IS CLOSED, IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE PERSON AT THE PODIUM, IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, ASK IT THEN, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW.
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I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SO FAR AS DISCUSSION.IS THAT UNDERSTOOD? NOW I WOULD I WOULD ASK THE PANEL, PLEASE TAKE NOTES.
PLEASE TAKE YOUR PENCILS OUT, MAKE ANY NOTES THAT ARE OF CONCERN.
SO JUST IN CASE WE DO NOT HAVE TIME FOR DISCUSSION TONIGHT, THAT THEY WILL BE RELEVANT WHEN WE MEET THE NEXT TIME, BUT IT MAY JUST BE WE COME BACK AT THE END OF THE HEARINGS AND GO THROUGH THOSE MOTIONS, BUT WE REALLY NEED TO GET THROUGH THE SIX HEARINGS.
I'D LIKE TO SAY WE'VE GOT A REALLY BIG CASELOAD TONIGHT.
ALSO, ONCE THE APPLICANT FINISHES UP HIS PRESENTATION, THEN ANYONE FROM THE AUDIENCE, ANYONE THAT'S HERE TONIGHT, IF YOU WANT TO COME UP AND HAVE MAKE YOUR COMMENTS JUST TO KEEP THINGS MOVING SMOOTHLY, I'D APPRECIATE.
JUST KEEP THAT LINE FORMING UNTIL EVERYBODY HAS SPOKEN.
I'M NOT GOING TO PUT A TIME LIMIT, AND I HOPE I DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT, BUT AS LONG AS YOU'RE BRINGING NEW INFORMATION TO THIS BOARD, I WILL LET YOU CONTINUE TO SPEAK.
I MAY POLITELY INTERJECT AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO SOMETHING ELSE.
AM I MAKING MYSELF CLEAR? JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO KEEP YOU PEOPLE HERE NO LATER THAN WE HAVE TO BE, BUT I'LL BE HERE AS LONG AS YOU WANT TO BE.
BECAUSE I WANT EVERYBODY TO SPEAK.
I'M GOING TO GIVE EVERYBODY A FAIR CHANCE.
THAT BEING SAID--CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES, SIR. YES, SIR.
OKAY, AND I'M JUST ASKING THIS QUESTION TO MOVE THINGS ALONG.
THEY ALL RELATE TO THE SAME PROJECT.
IN SOME MANNER? YES. THERE'S A CONTINUITY.
YES. SO ARE WE PLANNING ON GETTING.
I GUESS I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE TO CALL THEM SEPARATELY.
THAT'S CORRECT. WE HAVE TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE OR ALTERNATIVELY, THE FIRST, SECOND OR THIRD, BUT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ME AND I WOULD ALWAYS OPEN TO ADVICE FROM THE BOARD OR THE PANEL OR OUR ADMINISTRATORS.
I'M JUST ASKING THAT QUESTION.
IT'S A GOOD POINT, MR. NUCKOLS. IS THAT IS THAT ARE WE PERCEIVING THAT CORRECTLY? IS IS THE THREE THE SAME AS ONE, OR IS IT THREE SEPARATE? THEY DO LOOK SIMILAR.
THEY HAVE SIMILAR. THEY'RE ALL THEY'RE ALL CONTIGUOUS, I BELIEVE.
WELL, I THINK I THINK YOU COULD CERTAINLY HOLD EACH PUBLIC HEARING SEPARATELY, BUT KEEP EACH HEARING OPEN UNTIL YOU'VE COMPLETED THE THREE HEARINGS AND THEN DECIDE WHETHER YOU WANT TO CLOSE THE HEARING OF EACH OF OF THE THREE ITEMS AT THE END OF THE THREE CONSECUTIVE HEARINGS, IF YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING.
I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT, BUT IT IS THREE DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS.
THEY ARE, BUT THEY'RE ALL RELATED TO EACH OTHER, SO I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE MAKING THE DECISION ON THE FIRST ONE UNTIL I HEAR TWO AND THREE, BECAUSE THEY'RE CLEARLY RELATED FROM AN ECONOMIC STANDPOINT.
I THINK IT WOULD BE GROSSLY NEGLIGENT.
I DON'T WANT TO BE TOO I DON'T WANT TO BE TOO LEGAL, BUT RIGHT. I THOUGHT YOU WERE TRYING TO COMBINE THE THREE.
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU DON'T WANT TO ACT ON FIRST ONE UNTIL YOU HEAR THE OTHER TWO.
I'M JUST POINTING THAT OUT TO THE COMMISSION.
YES. THAT IT'S HARD TO MAKE A DECISION ON ONE WITHOUT HEARING THE OTHER TWO, AND I LIKE MR. NUCKOLS'S RECOMMENDATION.
HE SAID IT WAY MORE ELOQUENTLY THAN I DID.
WELL, I THINK THAT WAS THE INTENT WAS TO WAIT ON ANY ACTION TO GET THESE HEARINGS BEHIND US ANYWAY.
ARE WE ALL TOGETHER? IF WE ARE, I WILL OPEN THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING, AND I'M GOING TO ASK IF THE APPLICANT AND ANYONE ASSOCIATED.
THE OWNER OR THE APPLICANT OR THE REPRESENTATIVE TO COME FORWARD FIRST, PLEASE.
YES, SIR, AND LIKE I SAID, GIVE ME YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
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BEACH, VIRGINIA, AND I'VE GOT ED MILLER WITH ME TONIGHT, AND I APPRECIATE WHAT MR. RANDALL SAID, BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO MAKE A PRESENTATION OF THOSE FIRST THREE APPLICATIONS BECAUSE THEY ARE INTERRELATED.THE REASON IS, IS ED FARMS, ALL OF OUR LAND.
THE APPLICANT FOR HOLLAND NURSERY, AND HE ALSO HAS AN APPLICATION FOR HIS OWN FARM.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO I'M GOING TO ASK IF HE WOULD BE WILLING TO PASS OUT SOME MAPS TO EACH OF YOU THAT WILL HELP ILLUSTRATE A LITTLE BIT BETTER WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THANK YOU, MR. BRINKLEY. THANK YOU.
HOW ARE YOU DOING TONIGHT? THANK YOU. AGAIN, MY NAME IS TROY BRINKLEY, AND I'M SPEAKING THIS EVENING ON BEHALF OF MY FAMILY THAT OWNS THE CHERRY AND CLEMENT BROWN PROPERTY, WHICH WAS FORMERLY KNOWN AS THE HOMESTEAD DAIRY FARM, AND I'M ALSO SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF HOLLAND NURSERY, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO OUR FAMILY FARM AND WAS THE FORMER HOME AND DAIRY FACILITY OF MY WIFE'S GRANDPARENTS, WILLIAM AND ARMOREL BRADSHAW.
I'M ALSO SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF ED AND GEORGE MILLER AND MILLER FARMS ON TWO PARCELS.
THE MILLER BROTHERS ALSO FARMED MY FAMILY'S PROPERTY AND MIKE SMITH, WHO OWNS HOLLAND NURSERY.
ED MILLER IS GOING TO BE SPEAKING A LITTLE BIT LATER ABOUT THE SOIL TYPE, THE CONDITIONS ON THE FARM, THE CROPS THAT ARE GROWN AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE FARMING OPERATIONS ON OUR PROPERTIES.
WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING TONIGHT IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO BE ADDED TO THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN FOR 2035. THAT MAP THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU HAS AN OVERLAY THAT SHOWS IN RED THE CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND WHERE THE LINES OF THE CURRENT M-1 DESIGNATION ARE LOCATED, AND HOW PORTION OF ED AND GEORGE MILLER'S PROPERTY ALREADY HAS THE M-1 DESIGNATION, AND THEY'RE JUST REQUESTING THAT THE LINE BE EXTENDED TO INCLUDE THE REMAINDER OF THEIR FARM ON THE SIDE OF HIGHWAY 258 TO COINCIDE WITH THE M-1 DESIGNATION SURROUNDING THEIR PROPERTY.
THE BRIGHT YELLOW DEPICTS THE ADJACENT R-1 RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATION THAT GOES DOWN PRETLOW STREET THAT OUR FARM HAS FRONTAGE ON, AND CONTINUES UP TO THE INTERSECTION WITH HIGHWAY 189.
ED AND GEORGE MILLER ALSO HAVE 351 ACRES ACROSS FROM THEIR FARM ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF 258, AND THEY'RE REQUESTING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO R-1 RESIDENTIAL AND A SMALLER PARCEL OF 23 ACRES NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF HIGHWAY 258 AND 189.
THEY'RE REQUESTING A PLAN AMENDMENT, AND THEN THEY HAVE 13 ACRES OF B-2 THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING B-2 IN BLUE THAT ALSO HAS FRONTAGE ON 258 189 AND IS LOCATED DIRECTLY BEHIND THE DUCK THROUGH AT THE CORNER.
MILLER FARMS BELIEVES THIS IS A NATURAL PLACE FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TO GROW OVER TIME, WITH COMPLEMENTARY COMMERCIAL USES TO THE DUCK THROUGH, LIKE OTHER CASUAL RESTAURANTS OR SERVICE BUSINESSES RELATED TO AUTOMOTIVE THAT WOULD SERVICE THE AREA RESIDENTS WITHOUT HAVING TO TRAVEL INTO THE CITY.
ALL THE FARMS HAVE FINE SANDY SOIL, AND WE HAVE HAD BORINGS TAKEN IN VARIOUS AREAS OF THE FARMS THAT HAVE SAND 13FT TO 25FT BELOW THE SURFACE.
OUR FATHER IN LAW, ED DAUGHTRY, CONTRACTED WITH THE SAND CONTRACTOR WHO REMOVED THE SAND FROM THE BACK OF OUR FARM YEARS AGO FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PRETLOW INTERCHANGE, AND W.P.
TAYLOR HAS A SAND MINING OPERATION DIRECTLY BEHIND OUR FARM.
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THEY PRODUCE MASONRY AND CONCRETE SAND, AND ALSO HAVE HAD SAND CERTIFIED BY THE PGA TO BE USED IN SAND BUNKERS ON GOLF COURSES. THIS TYPE OF SAND IS GOOD FOR MINING AND DEVELOPMENT, AND WE BELIEVE IT WILL BE CONDUCIVE TO BOTH RESIDENTIAL HOME SITES AND INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH HOW WELL THE SAINTS DRAW DRAIN.HOWEVER, IT WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE JUST A FARM WITH CROPS, AS EVIDENCED BY THE HOMESTEAD DAIRY FARM LOCATING HERE FOR PASTURE LAND FOR DAIRY COWS.
MY WIFE'S GRANDFATHER DIED AT A YOUNG AGE, AND FAMILY THAT HELPED WITH THE FARM AFTER HIS DEATH, CLOSED THE DAIRY AND RAISED CATTLE FOR BEEF AND PIGS TO HELP SUPPLEMENT A FARMING OPERATION ON PART OF THE FARM.
MY FAMILY HAS SOLD MORE THAN HALF OF THE ORIGINAL 1000 ACRE FARM, LEAVING US WITH SLIGHTLY LESS THAN 500 ACRES BUT APPROXIMATELY 100 ACRES OF THAT IS WETLANDS.
THE FARM RENT PAYS THE TAXES AND THE INSURANCE, BUT LEAVES VERY LITTLE FOR THE FAMILY AND REVENUE TO DISTRIBUTE AMONGST THE FIVE REMAINING HEIRS. WE NO LONGER HAVE ANY FAMILY MEMBERS FARMING, AND AS OF LAST APRIL, WE SOLD MY WIFE'S PARENTS HOME AND LAND TO A LOCAL FAMILY WHO GREW UP NEXT DOOR TO THE TO THE HOME THEY PURCHASED.
WE ALL WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME OTHER OPTIONS TO USE THE LAND FOR ALTERNATIVE USES THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING LAND USE DESIGNATIONS ON THE 2035 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I GRADUATED FROM FRANKLIN HIGH SCHOOL IN 1982.
I MARRIED MY HIGH SCHOOL SWEETHEART, LISA DAUGHTRY, WHO ALSO GREW UP ON THE HOMESTEAD FARM.
I GRADUATED FROM CHOWAN COLLEGE.
WE'VE OWNED THAT COMPANY SINCE 1996.
WE BUILT NEIGHBORHOODS AND HOMES IN SOUTHEASTERN VIRGINIA AND NORTHEAST NORTH CAROLINA.
WE STARTED IN 2000 AND FINISHED IN 2006, AND PURCHASED A FARM ACROSS THE STREET AND DEVELOPED 75 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS AND HOMES AND A SINGLE FAMILY COMMUNITY CALLED CREEKSIDE FARMS. WE BUILT HOMES IN ELIZABETH CITY IN A SUBDIVISION KNOWN AS TULLY HARBOR NEAR THE COAST GUARD BASE, AND AFTER BUILDING IN NORTH CAROLINA FOR 24 YEARS, WE'RE DOWN TO OUR LAST THREE HOMES, AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL LAND TO CONTINUE AND WOULD LIKE TO DEVELOP OUR FAMILY FARM IN A SIMILAR WAY, PRODUCING LOTS IN SEVERAL PHASES AS THE MARKET DICTATES, BASED ON DEMAND FAMILIES INTERESTED IN LOCATING TO THE AREA.
THE HOMES THAT WE BUILD ARE ALL FROM THE GROUND UP.
WE BUILD MARKET RATE HOMES WITH TRADITIONAL MORTGAGE FINANCING.
OUR HOMES CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW START AT 415,000 AND GO TO 475,000.
AFTER BUILDING IN ELIZABETH CITY FOR 24 YEARS, WE FOUND A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO LIKE TO BE OUTSIDE THE METROPOLITAN AREAS, BUT THEY STILL HAVE ACCESS TO THE ADDED SERVICES NOT FOUND IN SMALLER COMMUNITIES, BUT THEY WANT MORE LAND AROUND THEIR HOMES, LEFT LESS RESTRICTIVE HOAS THAT ALLOW THEM TO HAVE A BOAT OR AN RV IN THE DRIVEWAY NEXT TO THEIR HOME, AND JUST A GENERAL, SLOWER PACE OF LIFE WHEN THEY COME HOME IN THE EVENINGS.
WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE BUILDING LOTS AND HOMES AS I LOOK FORWARD TO BRINGING MY SON AND MY PARTNER BRINGING HIS SON INTO THE BUILDING BUSINESS OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS, I WANT TO REITERATE THAT THIS IS NOT A REZONING WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS EVENING, BUT THE CHANGE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT ALLOWS US TO PURSUE REZONING AS THE MARKET DEMANDS AND INTEREST CONTINUES TO MOVE TOWARDS THE WEST, AND SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL FOR SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL HOME SITES WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS.
ANY INDUSTRY WHO'S LOCATED IN AN AREA WANTS TO KNOW THERE'S LAND FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, SO THEIR WORKERS AND FAMILIES BECOME PART OF THE COMMUNITY IN WHICH THEY WORK AND LIVE.
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THERE ARE EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES LOCALLY AND WITH THE EXPANSION OF LIGHT MANUFACTURING OPTIONS, WE BELIEVE THESE PARCELS WILL BE BOUGHT AND INDUSTRY WILL CONTINUE TO WORK OVERTIME, TO WORK OVERTIME TO SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY.OUR SUBDIVISION IN PASQUOTANK COUNTY IS SURROUNDED BY FARMS ON ALL SIDES, SO WE BELIEVE QUALITY HOUSING OPTIONS, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES AND FARMING CAN CO-EXIST WITHOUT ONE BEING A THREAT OR A DETRIMENT TO THE OTHER NEAR EACH OTHER.
IF YOU APPROVE THIS CHANGE TO THE COMP PLAN, WE'D LIKE TO PURSUE RESIDENTIAL AND INDUSTRIAL REZONINGS ON OUR LAND WE WILL BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A SITE PLAN WITH DETAILS ON WHAT WE PLAN TO DEVELOP AND HOW THE ROADS AND STREETS WILL BE BUILT ON THE PROPERTY.
WE WILL ALSO DO A PHASE ONE ENVIRONMENTAL WETLANDS DELINEATION TRAFFIC STUDY TO SEE HOW MUCH TRAFFIC WILL BE GENERATED, BUT ALSO RECOMMEND TURN LANES FOR INGRESS EGRESS.
ANY ECONOMIC IMPACT STATEMENT WOULD LOOK AT THE IMPACT ON LOCAL SCHOOLS THAT ARE ALL CURRENTLY UNDER CAPACITY, BUT WOULD MEASURE HOW MANY STUDENTS WOULD BE GENERATED OVER THE PROJECT.
THE STUDY WOULD ALSO SHOW THE TAXES GENERATED BY THE HOMES AND FAMILIES LIVING IN THE AREA.
IT WOULD MEASURE THE IMPACT OF BUYING LOCALLY FROM BUILDING MATERIALS TO USING LOCAL LABOR FOR ROADWAYS, SEPTIC TANKS, WELLS TO SUPPORT THE PROJECTS. THIS WOULD BE OUR NEXT STEP IF WE'RE APPROVED THIS EVENING AND AS THE MARKET DICTATES THE NEEDS FOR NEW HOMES AND ADDED INDUSTRIAL USES TO THIS AREA.
YES? IS IT APPROPRIATE TO ASK A QUESTION AT THIS POINT? YES, MA'AM. JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON YOUR DISCUSSION, BECAUSE THIS WHAT YOU'RE ENVISIONING IS A PLANNED COMMUNITY.
WHAT IS THE TYPICAL LOT SIZE ON YOUR PLAN? ON THIS IN THE COUNTY, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE 30,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN AN ACRE, AND IN NORTH CAROLINA, WE'RE BUILDING ONE ACRE.
THOSE LOTS HAVE SEPTIC TANKS AS WELL, SO THESE WILL BE SLIGHTLY SMALLER.
IN MOST CASES BECAUSE THE LOTS ARE SO LARGE, WE HAVEN'T DONE AMENITIES ALONGSIDE OF IT BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE SUCH A LARGE HOME, THEY'RE TAKING CARE OF THAT.
SO IN THE PAST WE HAVEN'T TYPICALLY DONE ANY AMENITIES BECAUSE THE LOTS ARE AS LARGE AS THEY ARE.
SO THERE IS NO COMMUNITY CENTER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU, AND I'LL STANDBY FOR QUESTIONS.
SHOULDN'T WE BE DOING THE IMPACT STUDY BEFORE THIS? TYPICALLY YOU DON'T.
DOESN'T MATTER. WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IF THERE'S ABOUT 1300 ACRES HERE, THAT'S GOING TO BE UNDER SCRUTINY THERE, AND ONCE ITS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS CHANGED IT SEEMS LIKE YOU GOT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE HERE.
WELL, WE STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE REZONING.
THE AGENDA SAYS THAT THEY'RE ON THE THIRD ITEM THERE, THAT IT'S 700 ACRES INDUSTRIAL.
THAT'S NOT CORRECT. THAT'S A MISTAKE.
WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING HERE IS 424 ACRES FOR INDUSTRIAL, AND ACROSS THE STREET YOU CAN SEE 351 ACRES. SO THAT'S A TYPO THAT ON THE APPLICATION, OUR APPLICATION WAS REQUESTING INDUSTRIAL ON THE SIDE CLOSEST TO 58 AND R-1 RESIDENTIAL ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT.
SO THAT WAS A CORRECTION THAT I WANTED TO MAKE.
IT IS CORRECT ON THE FIRST ITEM THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, THE RESIDENTIAL R-1 ON 483 ACRES.
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WE'RE ASKING FOR IT ON THE 108 ACRES ON THE SECOND ITEM, BUT ON THE THIRD ITEM.IT'S NOT CORRECT TO BE THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR 700 ACRES FOR RESIDENTIAL.
SO IF YOU COULD MAKE THAT CHANGE, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT GOT TRANSLATED THAT WAY, BUT THE APPLICATION THAT WE FILLED OUT AND SUBMITTED TO MR. NUCKOLS DISTINGUISHED BETWEEN WHAT WE WERE ASKING FOR INDUSTRIAL AND WHAT WE WERE ASKING FOR RESIDENTIAL.
MY POINT IS THAT ONCE THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS CHANGED, THAT NO MATTER WHAT THE IMPACT STUDY SHOWS, OUR HANDS ARE PRETTY MUCH TIED TO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO, BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE YOU HAVE THE LEGALITY BEHIND YOU OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS A PLANNING TOOL.
YOU'VE ONLY REZONED 100 OF THE ACREAGE THERE.
SO JUST BECAUSE THE COMP PLAN SAYS THE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR RESIDENTIAL OR IT'S FOR INDUSTRIAL, DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE FULL PLAN WITH ALL THE SPECIFICATIONS BEFORE THEY ARE ABLE TO VOTE AND MAKE A DECISION ON IT.
MY POINT IS, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT OF THIS IS GOING TO BE, BUT ONCE THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS CHANGED, OUR HANDS ARE PRETTY MUCH TIED.
THE LEGALITY IS ON THE WHOEVER, WHATEVER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SHOWS, BUT I STILL THINK MR. NUCKOLS WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO ANSWER THIS, BUT AFTER, IF IT IS APPROVED, HE STILL WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND GET THE LAND RESUMED.
CORRECT. YEAH SO IT WILL HAVE TO BE REZONED AND I BELIEVE HE HAS TO GO.
EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE APPROVING ON THE COMP PLAN.
LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S A PLANNING TOOL, BUT THE REZONING PROCESS WOULD BE WITH THE IMPACT STATEMENT AND I BELIEVE THERE'S ALSO A COMPREHENSIVE, EXCUSE ME, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROCESS FOR THE SUBDIVISION.
THAT'S ALSO PART OF THAT PROCESS IN YOUR CODE.
ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THIS MOVING ALONG.
YES, SIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH I'M CONFUSED A LITTLE BIT.
ALL RIGHT. SO 351 ACRES THAT YOU WANT TO DO RESIDENTIAL, CORRECT? 351 AND 948.
CORRECT. WHERE ARE THE REST OF THE ACRES? BECAUSE I'M CONFUSED.
WHERE DOES THAT LAY? CAN I SHOW YOU? YEAH, BECAUSE I CAN'T.
YOU GOT THIS HERE? CORRECT. OKAY. 109 ACRES HERE.
THESE ABUT. OKAY, AND THEN SO WHAT IS THIS IS WHAT? THIS IS WHAT CURRENTLY IS ZONED.
THIS IS CURRENTLY THE COMP PLAN IS R-1.
OKAY. SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR THE R-1 IS ALREADY CONTIGUOUS TO US.
SOME OF IT'S ALREADY IN THE COMP PLAN RIGHT AS INDUSTRIAL.
OKAY. ALL FIELDS AND EVERYTHING IN THIS.
OKAY. THIS. IT'S ONLY WHAT'S MARKED IN YELLOW IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.
OKAY. HARD FOR ME TO SEE THAT.
EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND? WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS THE LIGHT YELLOW.
EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE LIGHT COLOR OF YELLOW, AND WE HAVE THE ACREAGES ON THEM.
THE R-1 CHANGE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WHAT IS IN THE RED IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR FOR INDUSTRIAL, AND WHAT IS THE LINES THAT YOU SEE ARE GOING BRIGHT YELLOW THAT'S ALREADY R-1 AND THE RED WITH THE LINES THROUGH IT. THAT'S ALREADY IN THE COMP PLAN AS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
MR. MILLER, BEFORE YOU PROCEED.
MR. NUCKOLS, THE ADVERTISEMENT IN THE PAPER DID THAT LIST OF A PORTION THAT'S PROBABLY BEING DONE.
WAS THAT CORRECT? WAS THAT CORRECTLY WRITTEN IN THE ADVERTISEMENT OR WAS IT A MISTAKE THERE AS WELL? WELL, IT'S BASED ON WHAT I THOUGHT THEY WERE FILLING OUT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN APPLICATION AND THEY'RE SHOWING RESIDENTIAL AND MINING BUT I UNDERSTOOD IT WAS JUST GOING TO BE RESIDENTIAL AND I MISUNDERSTOOD IT WAS GOING TO BE MINING INVOLVED.
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SO THAT WAS THAT'S A TECHNICAL ISSUE.I DON'T KNOW IF THAT BROUGHT OUT ANY OTHER COMMENTS TONIGHT OR NOT.
YOU HAVE A YOU HAVE A FEELING WE DON'T HAVE AN ATTORNEY TONIGHT.
I DON'T KNOW ANY REASON WHY YOU CAN'T CONTINUE THE HEARING, BECAUSE THE APPLICANT COULD COME TONIGHT BEFORE YOU AND REQUEST AN AMENDMENT TO THEIR APPLICATION THAT THEY SO DESIRED WITHOUT WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.
I DON'T LIKE THAT, BUT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN.
IT SHOULD HAVE BEE PROOFED AND WRITTEN CORRECTLY THAT WE SHOULD GET THE WORD IS CORRECT.
ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD, MR. MILLER.
MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
APPRECIATE YOU ALL LISTENING TO US AND ENTERTAINING OUR IDEA.
WE'VE BEEN FARMING IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY SINCE 2002, AND WE PURCHASED THE PIECE OF LAND THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT CHANGING SOME POTENTIALLY CHANGING SOME USE [INAUDIBLE] AND THIS LAND IN QUESTION THAT THE BRADSHAW HEIRS AND MIKE SMITH OWNED IS VERY SANDY AND IT HAS LIMITED PRODUCTION CAPABILITIES.
YOU KNOW, IT'S TOO SANDY TO THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GROW CORN ON IT AT A PROFITABLE LEVEL.
IT'LL GROW GOOD PEANUTS AND GROW GOOD COTTON AND BEANS IF YOU GET RAIN BUT YOU GOT TO GET THE RAIN AND THE PIECE OF LAND THAT MY BROTHER AND I OWN, THE CAMP FARM, WE CALL IT.
IT ALSO HAD AREAS DEALT WITH LIMITED BECAUSE OF THE SANDY NATURE OF THE SOIL, AND WE ADDED IRRIGATION TO IT, WHICH WAS VERY FOOLHARDY BECAUSE IT DID NOT BOOST OUR PRODUCTIVITY.
PRODUCTIVITY ABOVE SOME OF THE LAND THAT WE TEND FURTHER SOUTH DOWN.
PAST THE INTERSECTION OF 189 AND 258, AND IF YOU DO REACH THOSE PRODUCTION LEVELS ON THAT PIECE OF LAND, YOU'VE DONE SPENT SO MUCH ON FERTILIZER THAT IT WAS NOT IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA, BUT ANYWAY, BUT I APPRECIATE YOU ALL CONSIDERING OUR SITUATION AND WHAT WE ARE LOOKING TO DO, AND I HOPE THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT THE AD IN THE PAPER AND THE ORIGINAL THING ON THE AGENDA WAS NOT REPRESENTATIVE AS TO WHAT WE WERE DOING, AND I THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU, MR. MILLER. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. MILLER? THANK YOU SIR.
ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? THE HEARING IS STILL OPEN. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME FORWARD TO SPEAK? WE MAY WANT TO KEEP IT OPEN.
[INAUDIBLE] TO MOVE ON TO THE SECOND.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT MR. NUCKOLS WAS SUGGESTING A WHILE AGO.
OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THEM ALL THREE AT THE SAME TIME.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING? BECAUSE WE ARE OPEN RIGHT NOW, WE'RE DOING DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS.
IF THAT'S OKAY WITH THE BOARD, I'M GOOD.
WE LISTEN TO ALL THREE AND VOTE ON EACH ONE SEPARATELY BECAUSE THEY'RE INTERRELATED.
NO. I MEAN, I THINK TECHNICALLY WE'VE PROBABLY DONE ALL THREE BECAUSE MR. BRINKLEY IS REPRESENTING HIMSELF AND HOLLAND NURSERY, AND MR. MILLER JUST SPOKE ON HIS APPLICATION.
SO UNLESS THEY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO INPUT, I THINK THEY'VE ALREADY SPOKE.
I AGREE, BUT TECHNICALLY WE GOT TO OPEN THE HEARINGS.
WELL, YOU CAN'T CLOSE IT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THREE AND THEN CLOSING ALL OF THEM AT ONE TIME.
CORRECT? ISN'T THAT WHAT WE SAID? I THINK THEY NEED TO READ INTO THE RECORD EACH CPA, EACH ONE SEPARATELY.
OKAY, AND GIVE SOMEONE DUE PROCESS TO SPEAK FOR IT OR AGAINST IT TO EACH ONE.
RIGHT, AND JUST LEAVE THE VOTE OPEN.
BECAUSE I HAVE GOT TO CLOSE THE FIRST ONE TO OPEN THE SECOND ONE.
FOLLOW ME. SO MR. MILLER, EVEN THOUGH HE HAS ONE OF THESE THAT WAS CONSIDERED TO BE JUST THE FIRST HEARING.
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IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WE WERE DOING THE FIRST HEARING.CORRECT. IF IT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME SPIEL, WE JUST SAY MAKE HASTE, WOULD IT BE THE SAME STATEMENT AGAIN? BUT I THINK WE HAD TO CLOSE.
DO YOU WANT TO CLOSE THE MEETING AND LEAVE THE VOTE, LEAVE THE VOTE OPEN? YEAH, WE'LL COME BACK TO VOTE AFTER WE'VE HEARD EVERYTHING? YES, THAT'S WHAT I'M SUGGESTING.
YES, I THINK THAT WOULD BE FINE.
YES. NOW I'M GOING TO RECOGNIZE THE GENTLEMAN IN THE BACK.
IF YOU'LL COME FORWARD, COME FORWARD.
MY QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT US TO SPEAK ON ALL THREE OF THEM, OR CAN WE WAIT UNTIL YOU FINISH THE THIRD ONE TO SPEAK? WELL, MR. DON--I'M GOING TO CALL YOU BY YOUR NAME; I KNOW WHO YOU ARE--MR. DON, I'M GOING TO SAY IF IT'S RELATIVE TO ALL THREE, IF YOU COME UP AT THE LAST AT THIRD HEARING.
THAT WOULD CERTAINLY CONDENSE IT, BUT FOR THE APPLICANTS, EVERYONE HAS DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE LAND.
OKAY. ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OR ANY COMMENT ON THE FIRST PARCEL OF LAND AND THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BE MR. BRINKLEY'S PARCELS.
IF NOT, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THAT HEARING.
I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE LEAVE THE VOTE OPEN ON THE FIRST APPLICATION.
OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR OF HOLDING THE VOTE UNTIL THE THREE HEARINGS ARE OVER? SAY AYE.
AYE. ANY OPPOSED? LIKE SIGN. OKAY.
NOW, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE FIRST HEARING.
ALL RIGHT. NOW WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THE SECOND HEARING.
THIS BEING THE HOLLAND NURSERY INCORPORATED PARCELS, AND MR. NUCKOLS AGAIN, IF YOU WILL GIVE US THE WORDING IN THE APPLICATION, PLEASE.
THE SECOND ITEM IS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT 2024-03 APPLICATION BY HOLLAND NURSERY INCORPORATED FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAP AMENDMENT FROM AGRICULTURAL FOREST, OPEN SPACE, RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL FOR TAX PARCELS 1078A11-4 A AND B THE PROPERTY TOTALS 108 ACRES.
IT IS LOCATED AT 34500 GLENDALE DRIVE.
THE PROPERTY IS IN THE SOUTHEAST VOTING DISTRICT AND THE BLACKWATER RIVER VOTING PRECINCT.
OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. NUCKOLS. NOW, I'LL OPEN THE SECOND HEARING.
IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, MR. MILLER OR MR. BRINKLEY SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THAT PARCEL, IF YOU WANT TO REPEAT ANYTHING, BUT I WANT YOUR COMMENTS, PLEASE, ON YOUR REPRESENTATION. IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD THE MAP THAT I PASSED OUT.
I THINK I, I THINK OVER HERE, YOU ALL UNDERSTOOD IT.
AM I ABLE TO CLARIFY? AND THAT IS PRETTY MUCH ONE.
IS THAT ONE PARCEL? IS THAT CORRECT? THE 109 ACRES.
THIS IS MY FAMILY'S PARCEL HERE.
THIS IS MISTER, THIS IS MISTER HOLLAND NURSERY. THIS IS THE HOLLAND.
RIGHT. OKAY, AND THESE ARE CONTIGUOUS.
OKAY. WHAT I WAS SHOWING WITH THIS COLOR IS THIS IS ALREADY IN THE COMP PLAN [INAUDIBLE].
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. YES, SIR.
YES, SIR. [INAUDIBLE]? THAT'S ALL. I WON'T TAKE ANY MORE TIME.
OKAY. THAT'S ALL. THAT'S FINE SIR.
OKAY. ANY QUESTION OF THE LOCATION OF THAT PARTICULAR PARCEL? ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME FORWARD? ANY OTHER? ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I THINK WE KNOW WHERE THAT'S LOCATED AT, AND PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AGENDAS AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPMENT.
YES, SIR. SAME TYPE OF HOUSING.
THAT TYPE OF THING. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.
ANYONE ELSE COME FORWARD? I'M GOING TO CLOSE THIS HEARING.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE KEEP THE VOTE.
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DEFER THE VOTE UNTIL THE THIRD APPLICATION IS HEARD.OKAY. HAVE A MOTION TO DEFER TO VOTE TILL LATER.
SECOND. I HAVE A PROPER SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? IF NOT, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF DELAYING THE VOTE UNTIL AFTER THE THIRD APPLICATION COMES FORWARD.
ANY OPPOSED? LIKE SIGN, AND THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
OKAY. NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN TO THE THIRD HEARING, AND I'M GOING TO ASK AGAIN, MR. NUCKOLS, IF YOU WILL PROCEED WITH THAT APPLICATION, PLEASE.
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT 2024-04 APPLICATION BY ROBERT E MILLER FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT FROM AGRICULTURAL FOREST, OPEN SPACE, RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND AS CORRECTED TONIGHT, INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL FOR TAX PARCELS.
93-20-15, 93-17, 93-2223 AND 106-43-44 AND 106-32E.
THE PROPERTY'S TOTAL 775 ACRES IS LOCATED IN THE SMITHS FERRY ROAD.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. NUCKOLS BEFORE WE PROCEED? EVERYBODY SEES THAT PARCEL.
ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? MR. BRINKLEY OR MR. MILLER? THANK YOU.
I KNOW IT'S ALL KIND OF REPETITIVE.
OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. IF NOT.
YOU ASKED THEM TO WAIT TILL THE THIRD ONE.
OKAY. SO NOW THANK YOU, MR. MANN. YES.
SO ANYONE ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OR HAS ANY CONCERNS? THE FLOOR IS OPEN TO ANYONE TO COME FORWARD, AND I GUESS WE'D BE SPEAKING ON THE THREE OF THEM.
ANY OF THE THREE? ANY OF THE THREE, YES.
I LIVE AT 19 311 ROSEMONT ROAD.
I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IRREGARDLESS OF THAT, THE MILLERS TEND MY FARM AND THEY TEND MY FAMILY'S FARM AND I'M A LITTLE BOTHERED WHEN YOU SEE A FARMER WANT TO GIVE UP LAND FOR A [INAUDIBLE] HOUSE, BUT I WILL SAY THIS. PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO COME AND LIVE HERE WITH THE SCHOOL PROBLEM WE ALREADY GOT.
HE SAYS, WELL, MAYBE ON A STUDY GOING TO SHOW THAT THE SCHOOLS ARE EMPTY.
WHY ARE THEY EMPTY? WHY? THEY HAVE LOW ATTENDANCE.
PEOPLE ARE HOMESCHOOLING BECAUSE OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM IS SO SORRY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY HOURS Y'ALL SPEND ON IT, BUT DON'T THROW IT OUT THE WINDOW.
THIS COUNTY HAS GOT TO HAVE SOME GUIDANCE, AND I'M, AND AM I IN FAVOR OF IT? I KNOW ALL OF THESE PEOPLE.
I DON'T KNOW, MR. BRINKLEY, BUT I KNOW HIS FAMILY.
I'VE BEEN ON THESE FARMS ALL MY LIFE.
HIS GRANDDADDY WAS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL OWNERS OF THE HUNT CLUB.
WITH HOUSES, OUR HUNTING IS GONE.
OUR WAY OF LIFE OUT THERE WILL BE GONE.
I ALREADY DEAL WITH A FEW NEWCOMERS NOW WITH FOUR WHEELERS, DIRT BIKES, RIDING BICYCLES, WALKING TRAILS, AND THEY SAID, WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WOULD MIND.
WELL, IF YOU DIDN'T THINK I'D MIND, YOU WOULD HAVE ASKED ME, DO YOU THINK WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN YOU GET ALL OF THESE HOUSES OUT THERE? I MEAN, IT'S NOT LOOK, I DON'T THINK THAT I'M TOTALLY AGAINST THE COUNTY GROWING, BUT THERE'S NO BENEFIT IN HOUSES FOR OUR COUNTY.
DO YOU THINK THESE PEOPLE ARE COMING HERE WITH NOWHERE TO WORK, OR ARE THEY GOING TO COME AND BUILD THEIR OWN HOUSES FOR THEIR JOB? WE DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE FOR THESE PEOPLE TO WORK.
THEY'RE GOING TO COME HERE AND THEY'RE GOING TO WORK SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE COUNTY.
I WAS BORN AND BRED IN A FARMING FAMILY.
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THAT'S NEVER GOING TO CHANGE, AND I'LL BE HERE AT EVERY MEETING THAT THIS GETS BROUGHT UP TO KEEP THAT LAND JUST LIKE IT WAS, AND IF WE'RE SUPPOSED TO PRESERVE AGRICULTURE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ME.I'VE GOT SOME IN CONSERVATION EASEMENTS, AND BEFORE I DIE, AND IF I DIE, WHOEVER LOOKS OUT FOR MY STUFF IS GOING TO PUT THE REST OF MINE IN EASEMENTS, SO I WON'T HAVE TO BE WORRYING ABOUT SOMEBODY COMING UP HERE WANTING TO CHANGE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO PUT SOMETHING ON MY PROPERTY.
THANK YOU. DANIELLE HEWETT, 504 VONS LANE, FRANKLIN, VIRGINIA, AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO EXCUSE ME.
I WAS NOT HERE TONIGHT TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE.
I DID NOT KNOW I WAS GOING TO SPEAK ON IT.
BORN AND RAISED IN A FAMILY OF FARMERS MYSELF.
MY FAMILY'S OWNED LAND HERE FOR OVER 200 YEARS.
WE'LL BE SPEAKING ON THAT LATER.
LISTENING TO THIS, I SEE THE NEED THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A HOUSING MARKET FOR US, BUT, MR. BRINKLEY, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, YOU LOST ME WHEN YOU SAID HOMES OF 415 TO $475,000, AND THEN YOU SPOKE ABOUT THE EDUCATORS, AND YOU'RE GOING TO PARDON ME BECAUSE I'M AN EDUCATOR WHO WILL BE EDUCATING THESE CHILDREN, AND, LIKE MR. DARDEN SAID, A SCHOOL SYSTEM THAT NEEDS SOME HELP, BUT I KNOW WHAT THESE SCHOOL TEACHERS START MAKING, AND IT'S NOT EVEN $50,000 A YEAR, SO TWO MARRIED SCHOOL TEACHERS COULD NOT EVEN OWN THE HOMES YOU ARE PROPOSING TO BUILD TO POLICE OFFICERS.
THESE ARE HOMES YOU ARE PROPOSING TO BUILD FOR PEOPLE FROM THE CITY WHO DON'T MIND GETTING DOWN 58 HIGHWAY, COMING AND GETTING OFF ON AN EXIT AND LIVING IN THEIR NICE HOME. IT IS NOT FOR THE PEOPLE OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, AND YOUR JOB ON THIS BOARD IS TO PLAN FOR THE PEOPLE OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, AND WHEN ARE WE GOING TO BUILD THEM AFFORDABLE HOMES? WHEN ARE WE GOING TO BUILD THEM STARTER HOMES? WE DON'T NEED $415,000 HOMES WHEN OUR TEACHERS ARE ONLY STARTING OUT AT $42,000 A YEAR, IT'S NOT FOR US.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WANT YOU TO CONSIDER.
MY OTHER THING IS YOU COME IN AND YOU BUILD THESE 415, $475,000 HOMES BECAUSE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE CITY CAN AFFORD IT AND THEY DON'T MIND THE DRIVE, WHAT ARE YOU NOW DOING TO MY PROPERTY AND MY TAXES? I DON'T WORK IN THE CITY.
MY TAXES ARE GOING TO GO UP, AND NOW YOU'RE GOING TO RUN ME OUT OF MY HOME.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER TONIGHT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS HEWITT.
MY NAME IS GARRETT CROSS AND I RESIDE ON MISSION CHURCH ROAD AND BERLIN-IVOR DISTRICT.
I HATE TO HAVE TO COME UP HERE TONIGHT AND REMIND YOU ALL OF YOUR DUTIES AND YOU KNOW, YOUR DUTIES.
WE SPENT A LONG TIME PUTTING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TOGETHER.
JUST PASSED IT HOW MANY MONTHS AGO, MR. DRAKE? NOT MANY.
ALL THE TOWN HALL MEETINGS WAS THIS EVER BROUGHT UP THAT THIS SHOULD BE A NEW CITY, A NEW TOWN IN OUR COUNTY? NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. I DON'T THINK IT CAME UP.
THIS TOWN OF COURTLAND MAKES UP 576 ACRES.
THIS APPLICATION, IF YOU ADD ALL THE NUMBERS UP, IS 1366 ACRES.
THERE'S LESS THAN 500 HOMES IN THE TOWN OF COURTLAND.
WHAT ARE WE DOING? BUILDING A NEW CITY.
MAYBE WE SHOULD MOVE THE COUNTY SEAT OUT THERE BUT I JUST REMIND YOU ALL THAT IT IS AN AGRICULTURAL COUNTY.
THAT WE STARTED THIS COUNTY THAT WAY.
THAT'S WHAT PAYS OUR BILLS, AND WE'RE MAKING DO THE BEST WE CAN WITH WHAT WE GOT TO WORK WITH.
WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY HOMES MAY GENERATE.
I HAVEN'T SEEN A NEW STUDY, BUT FOR EVERY HOME, EVERY DOLLAR PUT IN COST $1.30 TO SERVICE IT.
$1.62 NOW, MR. ADAMS. SO AGRICULTURAL LAND LESS THAN 30%.
IT'S A NO BRAINER IS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE.
I THINK WE'VE GOT A LOT OF LOTS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY IS LEFT ON THE BOOKS TO BUILD TO.
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YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS FOR ADDING HOMES AND BUILDING ONTO THE EDGE OF THESE TOWNS WHERE THEY ALREADY HAVE SERVICE.THIS AREA OUT HERE HAS NONE OF THAT.
WE'VE COME A LONG WAY WITH LAND USE TAXATION.
WE'VE COME A LONG WAY HAVING AGRICULTURAL AND FORESTRY DISTRICTS IN PLACE TO GIVE INDUSTRIES A PROMISE THAT WE'RE GOING TO STAY AGRICULTURAL, AND THIS COMMISSION SPENDS ITS TIME PLANNING FOR OUR FUTURE AS WELL.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO GO OTHER THAN TO SAY THAT THIS PLANNING COMMISSION RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF ME.
Y'ALL SEE TO THE NEEDS OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY.
NOW, IF YOU WANT TO BE ON A PLANNING COMMISSION THAT BUILDS HOMES, MAYBE YOU SHOULD GO TO POQUOSON OR VIRGINIA BEACH OR CHESAPEAKE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE HOMES NEED TO BE BUT THIS IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND YOUR EFFORTS THAT YOU PUT FORTH.
I JUST HOPE YOU'LL NOT CHANGE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
YOU KNOW WHAT? WHY DO YOU HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION? WELL, YOU HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION TO MAKE PLANS, AND THERE'S A LOT I COULD SAY.
I'M NOT GOING TO SAY. I JUST HOPE THAT Y'ALL RULE THE RIGHT WAY ON THIS, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CROSS. ANYONE ELSE? LAST CALL.
I'M GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT, I MEAN, THE HEARING, PUBLIC HEARING.
OKAY, BUT SINCE I THINK THAT WENT A LITTLE QUICKER THAN I EXPECTED, SINCE A LOT OF IT IS REPETITIOUS, AND WE COMBINED THE STATEMENTS AT THE END.
WE CAN GO AHEAD AND DELIBERATE NOW.
I THINK IF YOU THINK YOU NEED ADDITIONAL TIME OR INFORMATION, I JUST ALL I WANT TO SAY RIGHT NOW IS WE DO HAVE AN OPTION TO, TO DELAY DELIBERATION TO ANOTHER MEETING.
I'M GOING TO ASK AND PLEASE BE HONEST.
I KNOW WE'VE SEEN THE MAPS. HOW MANY OF US ACTUALLY HAD THE TIME TO GO OUT TO VIEW IT.
WELL, I HAVE I'M GUILTY AS CHARGED.
I MEAN, I KNOW WHERE IT'S AT, BUT JUST RIDING DOWN THE HIGHWAY FROM, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUS TIMES I HAVEN'T BEEN OUT RECENTLY, AND, CHAIRMAN, IF YOU'RE CALLING FOR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD. YES, I AM.
MAY I HAVE THE FLOOR FOR JUST A SECOND? YES, SIR.
THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS THAT COME TO MY MIND HERE, AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
AN IMPACT STUDY THAT'S DONE AFTER THE DAMAGE IS DONE.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS IS GOING TO DO.
YOU KNOW, LIKE, OUR SCHOOLS ARE FULL NOW.
WE HAVE PROBLEMS, AND I CAN'T GO FOR THIS UNLESS I KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT OF THIS IS GOING TO BE.
THE SECOND POINT I HAVE IS PEOPLE TALK ABOUT TAXES.
PEOPLE NEED TO REALIZE FOR EVERY DOLLAR THAT YOU PAY FOR YOUR PROPERTY AND YOUR HOUSE, THE COUNTY PUTS OUT $1.62. SO WE GO IN THE WHOLE $0.62 FOR EVERY FOR EVERY NEW HOUSE THAT'S HERE. I'M NOT AGAINST HOUSES, BUT THERE ARE PLENTY OF PLACES FOR HOUSES.
WE HAVE PLENTY OF PLACES, AND WE SPENT A LONG TIME ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WE DEBATED IT SORT OF LIKE THE PEOPLE WHO DID THE CONSTITUTION IN THE 1776 OR WHENEVER THAT WAS, BACK AND FORTH AND BACK AND FORTH, AND WE DECIDED, NUMBER ONE, WE NEED TO PRESERVE AGRICULTURAL LAND IN THIS COUNTY.
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NOW, I CONSIDER THIS TO BE.SOMETHING WE NEED TO DECIDE ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I CONSIDER THIS TO BE AN ASSAULT ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO EITHER STICK WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR JUST THROW IT TO THE WIND SO SOMEBODY ELSE IS GOING TO COME IN DOWN THE ROAD SOMEWHERE ELSE AND WANT TO PUT IN 500 HOUSES AND WHEN WE GO SAY, OH, WELL, WE OKAYED THIS ONE, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO OKAY YOURS.
SO I'M IN FAVOR OF STICKING TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LEAVING IT LIKE IT IS.
OTHERWISE, EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE AND EVERYTHING WE'VE DECIDED GOES RIGHT OUT THE WINDOW, AND I WILL NOT I WILL NOT VOTE FOR IT AT THIS STAGE OR AT ANY STAGE.
I LIKE TO LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE, AND I THINK WE'VE HEARD SOME STRONG COMMENTS TONIGHT THAT WANT TO PROTECT THE AGRICULTURAL INTEGRITY OF OUR COUNTY, THAT ALSO WANT TO BRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING INTO OUR COUNTY.
I ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT AMENITIES.
IF YOU'RE BUILDING A BASICALLY A NEW COMMUNITY, THERE SHOULD BE AMENITIES.
THERE SHOULD BE PERHAPS A SCHOOL SOMEWHERE ON THE PROPERTY.
SO I AM NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH THIS PARTICULAR PLAN.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I GOT A QUESTION.
IT SHOWS IN HIS APPLICATION HE'S GOT 775 ACRES OF LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
CORRECT. THAT'S WHAT IT'S SHOWING ON HIS APPLICATION, BUT 424 ACRES ARE TO BE REZONED M-1.
SO DO WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT? CORRECT. ARE YOU ASKING TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES? IF WE NEED TO. CORRECT.
775 ACRES, CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. CAN WE MAKE THAT CORRECTION? YES. OKAY, AND I THINK IT'S GOT A GREAT PLAN.
I THINK THEY'VE DONE THEIR DUE DILIGENCE IN LOOKING AT THIS.
AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS.
I THINK IF WE IF THIS GOES THROUGH, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT NEW SCHOOLS.
WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF SCHOOLS, I THINK, THAT ARE IN DESPERATE NEED OF HELP FINDING TEACHERS.
I DON'T THINK I CAN VOTE YES ON THIS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS.
I USUALLY AGREE WITH DOCTOR EDWARDS AND MR. CROSS. I WANT TO ADDRESS TWO THINGS THEY SAID, AND I ALWAYS LIKE TO RELY ON PEOPLE THAT ARE SMARTER THAN ME, AND EVERYBODY REMEMBERS WHEN I WAS RINGING MY ALARM BELLS ABOUT A YEAR AGO WITH MISS LEWIS, WHEN WE SAW THE RURAL DEVELOPMENT NUMBERS AND I CANNOT REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBERS, BUT IT WAS 400% IN HOLLAND AND SUFFOLK OF RURAL DEVELOPMENT AND 300 IN ISLE OF WIGHT RURAL DEVELOPMENT.
DO YOU REMEMBER THOSE NUMBERS AND STUDIES? AND THEN WE STARTED ON THE BOB EDWARDS PIECE, AND THEN I STARTED TALKING ABOUT WATER AND SEWER AND CAPACITY, AND WE GOT THE FOLKS IN TO TALK ABOUT, I REMEMBER 24%, 15%.
IS THAT THE LONG RANGE PLANNING OF THE BOARD BEFORE DOCTOR EDWARDS WAS TO BUILD THE SEWER SYSTEM TO EVENTUALLY FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, TO HOOK UP ALONG THE 58 CORRIDOR? YOU REMEMBER THAT, DOCTOR EDWARDS, DON'T YOU? AND WE SPENT HOW MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR THAT AND THEN WE CHANGED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO I THINK WHAT MR. CROSS IS TALKING ABOUT, AND I WROTE SOME NOTES AS MR. CROSS, I ALWAYS DO BECAUSE I, LIKE MR.
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CROSS LIKES TO PONTIFICATE, AND I AGREE WITH HIM MOST OF THE TIME, BUT I GOT TO CALL HIM OUT TOO.I AGREE WITH THAT. YOU ALL KNOW THAT I'M A BIG HUNTER, AND MR. DARDEN HAS NOT SHOWED ME ANY OF THOSE GOOD SPOTS WHERE A LOT OF THOSE DEER ARE OVER THERE.
HE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT I DISAGREE WITH MR. CROSS ON ONE THING.
OKAY. THERE ARE NOT A LOT OF LOTS IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY THAT YOUNG PEOPLE WANT TO MOVE TO.
THAT'S WHAT THE STUDY SAID NOW, AND I AND I THINK THE STUDY WAS FAIRLY OBJECTIVE.
IT WASN'T A SOLAR PANEL STUDY.
THAT'S WHAT THE STUDY SAID. NOW, THAT'S THAT MEANS THAT THINGS ARE MIGRATING OUR WAY.
SO WHERE DO WE WANT TO DO THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT? WELL, SHOULDN'T WE WANT TO DO IT NEAR 58, WHERE THEY CAN HOOK UP TO THE SEWER AND THE WATER, RIGHT? BEING THAT WE'RE LOSING MONEY AND IT'S AT, WHAT, 15%? I SAW I HEARD 15 TO 20, 27%.
SO I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE IS THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING, AND FOLLOWING THE NUMBERS AND, AND THERE MAY BE LOTS, BUT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF LOTS THAT YOUNG FAMILIES WANT TO MOVE TO, AND THEN WE TOOK THE ACTION OF AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WE JUST DID THAT WHAT, A YEAR AGO OR LESS? LESS, AND WHAT DID WE AMEND? I CALL IT THE BOB EDWARDS FARM, BUT IT WAS THAT CORRIDOR.
RIGHT, AND WHY DID WE DO IT? SO THEY COULD HOOK UP TO THE SEWER AND THEN SAVE THE COUNTY MONEY.
MR. RANDALL, WE HAVE OVER 3000 PLOTTED LOTS IN THIS COUNTY, AND YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT SOMEBODY COMING IN HERE HAS THE CHOICE OF 3000 LOTS IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIND ONE? THEY COULD FIND A LOT, BUT THE FAMILIES, THE PEOPLE THAT I'M INTERVIEWING, THEY WANT A NEIGHBORHOOD, DOCTOR EDWARDS.
I MEAN, THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT I'M INTERVIEWING, BRINGING JOBS TO SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY.
I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING SUBSTANTIVELY, BUT IN ACTUALITY, THE YOUNG FAMILIES DON'T WANT TO LIVE ON THE SIDE OF, YOU KNOW, WITH TRAFFIC COMING BY. THEY WANT TO LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.
NOW I'M JUST I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING WITH NEW EMPLOYEES THAT I HAVE, AND I THINK I HAVE IN THE LAST YEAR, ABOUT 15. SO THERE ARE LOTS.
I AGREE, BUT THE STUDY SHOWED THAT FOLKS WANT A NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU PHILOSOPHICALLY, I'M JUST DISAGREEING PROCEDURALLY THAT THERE MAY BE LOTS, BUT THEY'RE NOT DESIRABLE LOTS WHERE FAMILIES, YOUNG FAMILIES WANT TO MOVE TO, AND I THINK THAT'S STUFF THAT WE HAVE TO WEIGH THAT'S ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. THAT'S WELL TAKEN, BUT I THINK THAT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, THE MAIN THING WE'RE CONCERNED TONIGHT IS WE'RE GOING TO TRASH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
ARE WE GOING TO STICK TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE SPENT ALL THAT TIME DOING? AND ARE WE GOING TO INSULT THE INTEGRITY OF THE PLAN? AND THEN WHEN SOMEBODY ELSE DOWN THE LINE SAYS, I WANT 500 ACRES TO BUILD A 500 LOTS, HOUSES, AND THEY SAID, YOU CAN'T TURN ME DOWN BECAUSE YOU GUYS, IT'S A PRECEDENT.
SO TO ME, THAT'S THE MY CONCERN, AND I AGREE WITH THE TWO GENTLEMEN WHO SPOKE TONIGHT I THINK YEAH I GREW UP IN ROCKINGHAM COUNTY, AND ROCKINGHAM COUNTY HAS BECOME A WALL TO WALL SUBDIVISIONS, FARMLAND THAT'S ALL THERE IS GONE.
FARMLAND NOW COST YOU $20,000 AN ACRE IN ROCKINGHAM COUNTY.
IT'S SO THERE'S SO LITTLE LEFT, AND I SAW THIS TYPE OF SITUATION START THERE.
NOW, YOU THINK I'M DISAGREEING WITH YOU? BUT LET ME FINISH.
SO YOU LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED TO SUFFOLK.
YOU LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED TO ISLE OF WIGHT.
YOU ASK YOURSELF, DID WERE THEY SMART IN THEIR PLANNING?
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WHERE ARE THEY OR WERE THEY REACTIVE? AND I'M GETTING BACK TO THE POINT, BECAUSE WE JUST AMENDED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, DIDN'T WE? AND I THINK IT WAS UNANIMOUS THAT WE WENT TOWARDS THE 58 CORRIDOR AND WE EXTENDED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR RESIDENTIAL.SO, I'M SPEAKING BROADLY TO WHAT MR. CROSS SAID, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE TO REACT TO THE STUDY AND FIGURE OUT AREAS, SMART AREAS THAT DON'T IMPACT AGRICULTURE.
RIGHT. THAT ARE PLACES WHERE PEOPLE BEFORE US, WHETHER WE AGREE OR DISAGREE.
WHEN THEY'RE LAYING THE INFRASTRUCTURE LIKE THE EMPTY SEWER TREATMENT FACILITY, TO TRY TO FACILITATE AND DIRECT DEVELOPMENT AND FOLLOW THE DATA, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, RIGHT? AND I THINK WE DID THAT, DOCTOR EDWARDS.
WELL, THIS IS NOT A SMART AREA THEN, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DO IT RIGHT? NO. OKAY.
I GOT ONE THING, MR. CHAIRMAN.
YES. THE ONE THING THAT I LISTENED TO EVERYBODY, AND I THINK EVERYBODY'S GOT VALID POINTS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE EQUATION, BUT ON WHEN WE DO A PLAN, THAT IS A PLAN, BUT AS THINGS CHANGE, BECAUSE WE CAN DESIGNATE A WHOLE AREA THAT WE WANT TO DEVELOP RESIDENTIAL, BUT IF A LANDOWNER IS NOT WILLING TO SELL THE LAND OR TO DEVELOP IT, IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE AMENDING IT.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S TOTALLY OUT OF THE QUESTION HERE.
I JUST FEEL LIKE LIKE MR. RANDALL SAYING IF WE DON'T PLAN FOR THE GROWTH, THEN IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND WE'RE GOING TO BE REACTIVE INSTEAD OF PROACTIVE.
I THOUGHT WE PLANNED FOR THE GROWTH.
THAT'S WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DID, BUT THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS, WE HAVE SPECIAL ZONING.
THEY'RE RESIDENTIAL. WE'RE NOT PLANNING HERE.
WE PLANNED SOME OTHER STUFF, BUT IT ALSO GOES BACK TO THE LANDOWNER.
WE'RE HOPING THAT HE DOES WHAT WE PLAN.
WELL, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT IS GOING TO BE.
THEN IT BROUGHT UP THE SCHOOLS WE GOT.
WE GOT SCHOOLS WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD, SCHOOLS.
WE DON'T WE DON'T MAKE MONEY ON HOUSES.
I MEAN, WE GET THE INDUSTRY AND WE'RE WORKING ON THAT AND WE GET THE INDUSTRY IN HERE, THE HOUSES THAT COME, PEOPLE WILL FIND A PLACE TO GO AND THEN YOU KNOW THAT, BUT THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WE DID WITH THE SMART MOVE, WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND NOW WE'RE KNEE JERKING THIS RIGHT HERE AND SAY, NOW WHAT WE DID WASN'T ANY GOOD.
SO WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS TONIGHT.
ALL RIGHT. I'M GONNA INTERJECT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON MY TO MY RIGHT? ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ANY REMARKS? MY THING IS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SEWER AND WATER FOR A LONG TIME, AND IT'S ON 58, AND THAT'S WHERE YOU PLAN YOUR GROWTH AROUND. SO AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SEWER AND WATER FOR 10 OR 15 YEARS, IF NOT LONG AND WE GOT IT NOW.
SO YEAH, AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF HOUSES GOING OUT THERE AND THE SEWER AND WATER'S NOT CLOSE.
FRANKLIN I DON'T THINK CAN EXPAND AT ALL.
SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS REMARKS? I DON'T. MR. URQUHART, YOU ARE MIGHTY QUIET.
I'M DIGESTING IT ALL BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S MAKING VERY GOOD VALID POINTS, AND THEN LOOKING AT THE MAPPING AND EVERYTHING, AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE SEWER IS ALONG 58, BUT YET THIS PROPERTY IS PRETTY MUCH WAY AWAY FROM 58, WHICH MEANS THAT YOU'LL BE HAVING TO EXTEND UTILITY LINES DOWN TO IT, AND THE PERSON THAT GAVE THE PRESENTATION, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, MADE MENTION THAT THE HOUSING WILL HAVE SEPTIC SYSTEMS. RIGHT. THAT WAS SAID.
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THAT'S CORRECT. SO THEN YOU'LL BE PUTTING IN SEPTIC SYSTEMS. THEN AT SOME GIVEN POINT, THEN THAT PROPERTY OWNER WHO WOULD GET IN THE RESIDENTIAL PIECE WOULD THEN BE HAVING A SITUATION WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE TO HOOK TO UTILITY, AND.I'M STILL DIGESTING THE POINTS BEING MADE, REALLY GOOD POINT.
ALL RIGHT, WELL, I'M GONNA MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.
I, TOO, AGREE EVERYBODY HAS VALID POINTS, AND.
OF COURSE, I HAVE A PERSONAL OPINION, BUT THAT'S NOT MY JOB TONIGHT.
TONIGHT I SERVE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO I GOT TO REACT AS A PLANNING COMMISSIONER FOR THE COUNTY.
THE FIRST POINT I WANT TO COMMENT ON IS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THAT'S BEEN MENTIONED A WHOLE LOT.
DUE TO COVID, WE'RE A LITTLE BIT LATER PREPARING OUR UPDATED PLAN AND WE JUST APPROVED IT JUST FOR Y'ALL'S INFORMATION.
WE JUST APPROVED PROVED IT TO BE SENT FORWARD TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN APRIL.
THAT WAS THE LAST THING THAT MRS. LEWIS ACCOMPLISHED BEFORE SHE RETIRED OUT, AND I'M ASSUMING THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS PROBABLY APPROVED IT PROBABLY AT THE JUNE MEETING.
I'M ASSUMING THAT; I'M NOT SURE.
SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS VERY NEW.
IF YOU ALL REMEMBER, WE DEDICATED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF OUR TIME OF THOSE MONTHLY MEETINGS TO UPDATING AND MAKING REVISIONS IN THE PLAN.
WE WORKED ON IT FOR YEARS, AND FOR THE ONES IN THE AUDIENCE.
IN CASE YOU DID NOT KNOW, THE LAST TWO PLANS HAVE BEEN DONE IN HOUSE.
WE DID NOT HIRE A CONSULTANT FIRM TO DO IT FOR US.
WE DO IT AND WE SAVE THE COUNTY QUITE A BIT OF MONEY, BUT IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME.
SO WE DO HAVE A FUTURE RESIDENTIAL AREAS EARMARKED IN THAT PLAN DOWN TO 58 CORRIDOR.
ALSO THE LOCAL TOWNS THAT WE HAVE, MRS. ALLSTON YOU ALLUDED TO EARLIER, WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE FUTURE GROWTH TO BE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD SETTING, BUT TO USE UTILITIES, WE'RE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM ALL THE SEPTIC TANKS BEING BURIED AND ALL THE WELLS BEING DRILLED.
WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE THE TO MAX MAXIMUM THE USE OF THE SYSTEMS AVAILABLE, AND IT COULD BE THAT OTHER SYSTEMS NEED TO BE BUILT, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO REESTABLISH THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE ALREADY HAVE TO PUT NEW SPIRIT AND NEW GROWTH IN THERE.
ALSO IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WE HAVE DESIGNATED THAT 258 CORRIDOR.
ONCE YOU LEAVE THE INTERCHANGE AT 58 AND 258 GOING DOWN TOWARDS [INAUDIBLE] ROAD, WHICH IS DOWN THE SAME PROPERTY, AND THE GENTLEMAN HAD MENTIONED ABOUT THAT WAS IN OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF POSSIBLE INDUSTRIAL AREAS THAT WE WOULD THAT WE WOULD FAVOR.
ONE PARCEL HAS BEEN ZONED AND THAT WAS CLOSER TO MR. DARDEN'S FAMILY LAND.
JUST A SMALL PORTION, BUT THERE'S SEVERAL HUNDRED ACRES THAT WE'VE INCLUDED.
IT'S ALSO A BORROW PIT OR A SAND MINING BUSINESS THAT WE TRY TO CONNECT TO, BUT BEING THAT WE HAVE UTILITIES UP TO THE [INAUDIBLE] PLANT.
THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE.
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THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FORMULATING, AND THAT'S WHAT OUR THAT'S WHAT OUR VISION IS.SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO PUT A NEIGHBORHOOD NEXT TO AN INDUSTRIAL, BUT THAT'S QUITE A LONG STRETCH, THAT BORDERLINE BECAUSE YOU PUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE FIRST WELL, NOT ONLY IS IT GOING TO LIMIT THAT INDUSTRIAL CORRIDOR GOING FURTHER AT SOME POINT, BUT ALSO THERE'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM BECAUSE THE INDUSTRY THAT'S GOING TO GO NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORHOOD OR THESE HOUSES IT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER WAR.
PEOPLE LIKE TO BE OUT IN OPEN.
THEY DON'T LIKE TO BE NEXT TO SOLAR INSTALLATIONS.
THEY DON'T LIKE TO BE. SOMETIMES SOME OF THEM DON'T LIKE TO BE NEAR FARMLAND, BUT LUCKILY I GET ALONG WITH ALL MY NEIGHBORS ON MY FARM, BUT ANYWAY, SO THE VISION IS FROM THAT 258 CORRIDOR OVER TO THE 58 BYPASS THAT IS LIKE A BIG TRIANGLE.
IF YOU LOOK AT. I'M NOT SORRY, Y'ALL DON'T HAVE A COPY OF THE MAP THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
THAT'S THE VISION OF THIS COMMISSION, AND LIKE I SAY, WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND HASHED IT OUT AND IT'S JUST A MATTER, YOU KNOW, IF THOSE LANDOWNERS THERE, IT'S NOT MANY LANDOWNERS IN THAT AREA.
I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE WILLING TO SELL.
A LOT OF PEOPLE KIND OF DON'T SELL LAND, AND I'M SURPRISED THESE FARM, THESE FARMS WITH IRRIGATION, SUCH, MAN, I WISH I HAD IRRIGATION ON MY FARM, BUT YOU TAKE IRRIGATED LAND.
THAT'S JUST THAT'S MICHAEL DRAKE TALKING NOW BUT I WOULD LOVE TO GET THAT IRRIGATION ON MY FARM, BUT I DON'T I DON'T HAVE THE WATER SUPPLY AND DON'T HAVE THAT MEANS FOR THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT ANYWAY I THINK TO FOLLOW THE PLAN IT NEEDS, IT NEEDS TO REMAIN AS IS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THESE PROPERTIES WOULD ENTAIL IN YEARS TO COME, AND I DON'T LIKE THE ONE HOUSE PER ACRE.
I DON'T LIKE GOBBLING UP THE FARMLAND.
IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT PEOPLE IN HERE, I MEAN, LET'S PUT LET'S PUT TEN.
ANOTHER THING I WANT TO MENTION I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY GO TO THE COUNTY FAIR IN SOUTHAMPTON.
THE LAST COUPLE OF TIMES WE WORKED ON THE COMP PLAN.
I'VE GONE OVER HANDED OUT PAMPHLETS.
I'VE DONE DIFFERENT TRICKS OF THE TRADE.
WITH MISS LEWIS'S HELP AND GUIDANCE, TALKING TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE COUNTY AND PEOPLE IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, AND YOU GOT TO EXPERIENCE THIS, WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT? BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE THE COUNTY JUST LIKE IT IS.
THEY LIKE THE CITY OF FRANKLIN.
THEY CAN DRIVE TO GO TO SEE A DOCTOR, GO TO A DRUGSTORE.
TO BUILD A COMPLEX SUCH AS THIS.
THESE THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO ARE NOT GOING TO COME FROM THE COUNTY.
THE REASON PEOPLE LIKE IT HERE IS BECAUSE OF WHAT WE'VE DONE UP TO THIS POINT.
I DO BECAUSE IT'S UNCONTROLLABLE GROWTH AND BEING A FARMER THAT YEAH, MY FARM HAS A MAILBOX ACCOUNT, BUT WE KNOCK DOWN MAILBOXES BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO MEET YOU OUT OF THE MAILBOX, AND THAT [INAUDIBLE] CAN KNOCK SOMEBODY'S MAILBOX OVER, BUT THAT'S THE LAST THING WE NEED IS MORE MAILBOXES ON THE HIGHWAY.
SO OUR FORMER PLANNING DIRECTOR CONVEYED TO US, AND WE AGREED THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO IF WE'RE GOING TO ENTERTAIN HOUSING, WE NEED TO FORMULATE NEIGHBORHOODS, AND IT NEEDS TO BE IN
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A GROWTH THAT WE CAN MANAGE.WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SCHOOLS CAN'T HANDLE THE ADDITIONAL PUPILS.
POSSIBLY. WELL, I SEE OUR DEPUTIES.
I THINK ABOUT OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
OUR FIRE AND RESCUE DEPARTMENTS.
I APPRECIATE THE ANALOGY EARLIER, CONVEYING THIS LAND MASS TO THE TOWN OF COURTLAND.
IT WOULD TAKE A LOT OF PREPARATION, A LOT OF EXPENSE TO EVEN ABSORB A GROWTH AREA LIKE THIS.
I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S THE RIGHT PLACE.
I THINK I AGREE WITH DOCTOR EDWARDS.
IT'S A DISGRACE TO ALL THE WORK THAT WE'VE JUST DONE ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? WE REVIEWED EVERY FIVE YEARS, AND EXCEPT FOR MR. URQUHART, WHO THIS IS HIS FIRST MEETING.
THE REST OF US HAVE ALL BEEN CERTIFIED AS PLANNERS.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE JUST OFF THE STREET.
WE'VE PASSED THE COURSE AND IT'S A DISGRACE TO EVEN THINK ABOUT TRYING TO CHANGE A PLAN WITHIN THE FIRST 12 MONTHS.
NOW, MY INSTRUCTOR TOLD ME THAT A SUBTLE CHANGE MAY BE NECESSARY.
WE DID ONE AT OUR LAST MEETING FOR A FEED AND SEED STORE ON 2.6 ACRES OF LAND.
THIS IS. THIS IS 1300 ACRES AND MORE.
IT'S A DISGRACE. WE JUST WE JUST RECOMMENDED IT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AT OUR APRIL MEETING, AND WHERE WERE THESE PEOPLE WHEN WE WERE HAVING THOSE COMMUNITY MEETINGS? EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T COME TO THE COUNTY FAIRS, FINE, BUT WE DO TRY TO REACH OUT.
WE WANT TO HEAR WHAT THE PEOPLE HAVE ON THEIR MINDS, WHAT THEY ANTICIPATIONS ARE.
WHAT DO YOU SEE AS GOING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE? WAS JUST THAT THEN.
SO IF IT'S NOTHING BUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
TRYING TO MAKE SUCH A DRASTIC CHANGE, AND IF WE CHANGE IT THIS QUICKLY, HOW WILL YOU CHANGE IT AGAIN OR NOT CHANGE IT AS WE GO FORWARD.
SO YOU CAN TELL WHERE I'M LEADING WITH THIS.
ANY, I INVITE YOU TO READ THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I'LL GET A COPY OF IT FROM THE ADMINISTRATION OFFICE HERE.
WE ARE AN AGRICULTURAL COUNTY.
ALWAYS HAVE BEEN, AND WE WANT TO KEEP THAT WAY.
AGRICULTURE AND FORESTRY IS OUR TWO BIGGEST INDUSTRIES HERE, AND I THINK, AND WE HAVE YOUNG PEOPLE.
WE HAVE LOTS OF YOUNG PEOPLE COMING BACK.
EVERYBODY SAY WELL THE FARM IS ON THE WAY OUT.
NO, NO, PEOPLE GOT TO EAT, AND I KNOW SOMEBODY, IF WE DON'T RAISE IT, SOMEBODY WILL, BUT WE LOVE THE WAY OF LIFE THAT WE HAVE.
SO I KIND OF I'M KIND OF WRAPPING THAT UP, BUT MY MAIN DEFENSE TONIGHT IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THIS WAS NOT THIS WAS NOT IN THE PLAN.
IT WAS NOT ONE OF THOSE DESIGNATED AREAS.
WE ARE LOOKING TO POSSIBLY EXPAND THAT INDUSTRIAL CORRIDOR THAT SOME OF YOU MIGHT BE SHAKING YOUR HAND ON THAT, BUT IF WE GET UTILITIES OUT TO THAT AREA WITH THE HIGHWAYS THERE IT WOULD BE TRUCKS OR AUTOMOBILES.
THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK IS THERE WITH THE INTERCHANGE THAT 58 AND THE BUSINESS 58 AND 258.
IT HAS A LOT OF THINGS GOING FOR IT.
SO I JUST DON'T THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE TO PUT SUCH AN EXPENSIVE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NOT RUSHING. ONE QUESTION.
WITH MR. MILLER DOING THE M-1, ARE WE SHOOTING DOWN THE ENTIRE APPLICATION AS IT IS, OR ARE WE GOING TO LET HIM DO SUPPOSED TO BE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IN THAT AREA? WELL, BRAD, MR. TURNER, I'M SORRY, I HATE THE WORDING.
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I JUST WISH THE WORDING HAD BEEN PROPER IN THE ADVERTISING.THAT ADVERTISEMENT NEWSPAPER IS CRITICAL.
WE GOT TO ADVERTISE IT TWICE TO THE PUBLIC.
I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T GET THE PAPER AND SOME OF THEM MAY LOOK AT IT ONLINE, BUT SINCE IT WAS NOT ADVERTISED CORRECTLY WELL, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THIS BOARD WANTS TO DO.
SOMEONE MAKE A IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION BEFORE A MOTION IS PRESENTED? MR. RANDALL ANYTHING ELSE? HAVE I FORGOTTEN ANYTHING? NO, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE.
OKAY. MR. CHAIRMAN, ANY MORE DISCUSSION BEFORE THEN? I DON'T THINK SO. MR. EDWARDS, GO AHEAD.
I'D LIKE IN DEFENSE OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO UPHOLD OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND FOR THE BETTERMENT OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THESE THREE REQUESTS.
SECOND. OKAY, SO I HAVE A PROPER MOTION, AND I HAVE SECOND.
OKAY. NOW, IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE VOTE? ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SO I'LL GO BACK TO MR. TURNER'S COMMENT. DO WE TURN DOWN MR. MILLER'S COMPLETELY FOR RIGHT NOW.
YES. OKAY. BECAUSE IT WASN'T IT WASN'T PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
GOOD ENOUGH. SO THIS IS TIME TO DEAL WITH THAT.
SO IF THAT COMES BACK FORWARD ON A LATER DATE, IT HAS TO BE APPLIED FOR AGAIN INDIVIDUALLY.
ALL RIGHT. I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF DENYING THE THREE REQUESTS, THESE THREE APPLICATIONS SAY AYE.
EIGHT AND ONE, IS THAT CORRECT, SIR? WANT TO CALL FOR A RAISE OF HANDS? IS THAT RIGHT? ONE. TWO. THREE.
YOU GET IT, MR. NUCKOLS? OKAY. THANK YOU. SIR. OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT APPLICATION IS TO WILLIAM GILLETTE.
OKAY. MR. NUCKOLS, I'M GONNA LET YOU READ THAT APPLICATION, PLEASE.
THE REQUEST IS FOR REZONING REQUEST 2024-02 BY WILLIAM F.
GILLETTE FOR A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT.
REZONING FROM A-1 AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TO B-1 BUSINESS DISTRICT FOR TAX PARCEL 72-43.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 18425 SOUTHAMPTON PARKWAY.
THE PROPERTY IS IN THE NORTHWEST VOTING DISTRICT AND THE CAPRON-DREWRYVILLE MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. NUCKOLS. ALL RIGHT.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. NUCKOLS BEFORE WE OPEN THE HEARING? AND IS EVERYBODY FAMILIAR WITH THAT LOCATION? YES. OKAY. I'M SEEING A LOT OF NODS.
GOOD EVENING SIR. MY NAME IS MATTHEW GILLETTE.
I'M THE SON OF THE APPLICANT, BILL GILLETTE, WILLIAM F.
WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO REZONE A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WAS PURCHASED BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF 2022.
IT'S A SMALL, LESS THAN 1000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING WITH THREE BEDROOMS. WE'D LIKE TO UTILIZE AS OFFICE SPACE.
OKAY. WELL, OUT OF MY ELEMENT HERE, YOU JUST HAVE TO GUIDE ME ALONG IF I NEED TO DO SOMETHING.
YOU'RE DOING FINE, SIR. YOU'RE DOING FINE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. GILLETTE? I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE IT IS, AND I'M GOING DOWN 58.
WHERE EXACTLY I GUESS? STRAIGHT ACROSS FROM THE CAPRON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
BACK OFF THE HIGHWAY A LITTLE BIT. GOTCHA.
YEAH, THAT'S WHERE I THOUGHT IT WAS.
OKAY. WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU WANT TO DO THERE?
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JUST HAVE IT AS AN OFFICE SPACE, JUST FOR STORING FILES AND WORKING DAY TO DAY OFFICE WORK WHEN WE'RE NOT IN THE FIELD.SO THE FORESTRY? YEAH, IT'S A FORESTRY CONSULTING BUSINESS.
YES, SIR. ROCK SPRINGS? IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH. ROCK SPRINGS FORESTRY, AND HOW MANY CARS WILL BE IN AND OUT? WE HAVE FOUR EMPLOYEES, AND SO IT'S JUST GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, DAILY TRAFFIC COMING TO AND FROM.
SO IT WON'T BE MUCH TRAFFIC AT ALL.
NO. THE ONLY REASON I WAS ASKING IS BECAUSE IT IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE SCHOOL.
WE'RE IN THE FIELD WORKING A LOT OF DAYS.
SO, IN ESSENCE, YOU'RE PROFFERING THAT YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO DO THAT.
OKAY. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE 37 DIFFERENT THINGS IN THAT DISTRICT.
I'M SORRY. I'M NOT FOLLOWING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WELL, YOU'RE GOING TO RUN IT AS A FORESTRY BUSINESS.
I MEAN, THAT'S CORRECT. YOU CAN YOU CAN DO LESS THAN THE 37 AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO RE-ADVERTISE IT, DO ANYTHING ELSE, BUT SO ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT I DON'T NEED TO REZONE THIS AS A B-1 BUSINESS DISTRICT.
I WAS JUST BASICALLY SAYING THAT YOU WERE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING BUT FORESTRY CONSULTING, RIGHT? YES, SIR. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A GAS STATION.
[CHUCKLING] NO, NO, WE'RE NOT DOING ANY RETAIL OR ANYTHING.
NO, SIR. SO IT'S A FAMILY OWNED BUSINESS, TOO.
YES IT'S A FAMILY OWNED BUSINESS.
YES. SO WOULD YOU AGREE THAT'S THE ONLY USE? YES. THE OFFICE SPACE? YES, OUR OFFICE SPACE. ROCK SPRINGS FORESTRY.
WELL, I THINK THEY'VE DONE A NICE JOB OF FIXING THE LOT.
I THINK IT LOOKS NICE, AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THIS.
ALL RIGHT. LET'S SEE IF ANYBODY [INAUDIBLE].
SO IN REALITY, THIS IS REALLY A CONDITIONED REZONING.
HE HAS SAID WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO.
YES, AND NOT THE OTHER 36 THINGS THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THAT ZONE.
IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. OKAY.
YOU DID STEP UP HERE AND SAY THAT IT'S OUT OF HIS ELEMENT.
SO, I'M WONDERING IF MAYBE HE NEEDS TO HAVE TIME TO DISCUSS THIS WITH OTHER PARTNERS, AND I MEAN, I'M OKAY WITH IT, BUT TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN YOU REZONE, YOU GET LIKE, DOCTOR EDWARDS SAID THAT LIST OF 37 THINGS.
CORRECT. SO THAT'S WHY WE FELT IT WAS THE APPROPRIATE ZONING TO APPLY, AND YOU DID EXACTLY RIGHT.
IT'S JUST THAT YOU'RE SAYING THIS IS ALL BECAUSE IT STICKS WITH THAT PROPERTY.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT PROPERTY CAN BE USED FOR.
SO YOU'RE MAKING THAT DECISION FOR THE COMPANY OR, OR WOULD YOU RATHER TOUCH BASE BACK, BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S JUST OFFICE SPACE THAT YOU'RE AGREEING TO.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR MR. GILLETTE? ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.
ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD? PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN.
LAST CALL. IF NOT, I'LL CLOSE THE HEARING.
OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION AMONG THE BOARD? YES, SIR. ON THIS ONE? YES, SIR. WE'RE GOING FROM AGRICULTURE TO BUSINESS, BUT IT'S STILL TO SUPPORT FORESTRY.
I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT. OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. SO I'M FOR IT, AND I'LL MAKE A MOTION AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO APPROVE.
SECOND. GOT A PROPER MOTION AND A PROPER SECOND.
OKAY, AND DO WE NEED TO ADD TO THE MOTION THAT HE'S AGREEING JUST TO THE OFFICE? I'M ASKING WHOEVER MADE THE MOTION.
I WOULD ADD THAT IT'S FOR OFFICE SPACE.
CONDITIONAL USE OFFICE SPACE ONLY TO RUN THE BUSINESS.
EVERYTHING SOUND GOOD, MR. NUCKOLS? I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND YOU COULD REFERENCE THE LETTER THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED IN YOUR APPLICATION, WHICH DOES SPECIFICALLY REQUEST OFFICE SPACE FOR A FORESTRY CONSULTING BUSINESS.
RIGHT. I'D AMEND MY MY MOTION TO ADDRESS THE LETTER DATED 09/04/2004 BY WILLIAM F GILLETTE.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT, AND DO YOU SECOND THAT I SECOND YOUR AMENDMENT.
SO WE'LL VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT FIRST.
ARE YOU JUST VOTING FOR THE WHOLE THING? THE WHOLE THING? CAN WE DO THAT? YEAH. ALL RIGHT.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. CALL FOR THE VOTE.
OPPOSED? LIKE SIGN. IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN TO OUR FIFTH HEARING, AND I'M GOING TO CALL ON MR. NUCKOLS AGAIN. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THE NEXT ITEM IS ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT 2024-01 APPLICATION BY GLEN MABREY FOR A REASON FOR A ZONING TEXT
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AMENDMENT TO AMEND SECTION 18, DASH 34 USE 40 PERMITTED USES IN THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT A-1 OF THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE.OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISTER NUCKOLS CONCERNING THE APPLICATION? I WOULD SAY IT SEEMS LIKE WE NEED A CLEAR DEFINITION OF WHAT THE MOTORSPORT PARK AND SALES INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO.
HOURS OF OPERATION, NOISE ABATEMENT, TRAFFIC, VEHICULAR MOVEMENT AND SO FORTH.
WHICH HAS NOT BEEN PREVENTED? YES, I AGREE, I THINK WE NEED A SITE PLAN.
AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC SITUATION I DON'T SEE ANY OF THAT HERE TONIGHT.
BUT IT CERTAINLY IS APPROPRIATE TO TALK ABOUT AMENDING THOSE ITEMS TO BE LISTED AS PART OF THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT, IF YOU SO DESIRE TO ALSO INCLUDE THOSE IN IT.
WELL, LET'S LET'S LET THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD AND GIVE US HIS INFORMATION FOR WHAT THE PLANS ARE, AND THEN WE WE CAN ASK APPROPRIATE QUESTIONS THEN, SO I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND IF THE APPLICANT OR THE REPRESENTATIVE.
ALL RIGHT. GOOD. YES, SIR. MY NAME IS GLEN MABRY.
I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY VALLEY PROTEIN LAST YEAR.
SO. YES, WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS OPEN UP A ATV PARK, AND THEN, LIKE, TWICE A YEAR, WE WANT TO DO TRUCK AND TRACTOR PULL. WE'RE IN TALKS WITH DREWRYVILLE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO HELP THOSE GUYS OUT AND LET THEM THROW ON THE TRUCK AND TRACTOR PULL.
SO ALL THE PROCEEDS GOES TO THE COMMUNITY JUST AS WELL.
AS YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT VDOT.
I'VE HAD A MEETING WITH VDOT, AND THEY'VE ALREADY APPROVED THE DRIVEWAY THAT WE ALREADY HAVE AS FAR AS IT CAN HANDLE THE TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT, AND THEY ALSO SAID THAT IF WE HAVE A BIG EVENT, WE COULD WORK WITH SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND LET THEM MAYBE DO TRAFFIC CONTROL, STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.
YOU DON'T HAVE A SITE PLAN? I MEAN, I DREW ONE OUT ON THE MAP AND GAVE IT TO MR. NUCKOLS, AND THAT WAS PROBABLY ABOUT A MONTH AGO.
I'M KIND OF NEW TO THIS, SO I DIDN'T KNOW EVERYTHING.
ALL I NEEDED TO BRING WITH ME.
I DON'T THINK THIS PLANNING COMMISSION HAS EVER OKAYED ANYTHING WITHOUT A SITE PLAN.
WE DON'T. WE NEED SOMETHING FROM VDOT.
NOISE CONTROL OR ALLOW ALCOHOL ON THE PREMISES.
THAT WOULD BE. THAT'S THE SECOND.
THAT WAS THE LAST PART OF THE EQUATION.
SO JUST DON'T GET TOO, BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE GOT THE HORSE BEFORE THE CART HERE.
CORRECT. THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE HERE AGAIN.
I ALWAYS THOUGHT WE OUGHT TO DO THE CAN I ASK A QUESTION?
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YES, SIR. SIR, IS IT CURRENTLY USED AS A TRUCKING OPERATION? IT IS RIGHT NOW.YES, SIR. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU INITIATED.
SO IS IT A SMALL? IS IT A SMALL TRUCKING OPERATION? YES, I HAVE A SMALL TRUCKING COMPANY.
YES, SIR, AND I WOULD PUT THAT IN THE APP.
JUST. JUST SO WE KNOW EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING.
AND THEN I WOULD ASSUME THAT THE TRACTOR PULL WOULD TAKE PLACE IN FRONT AND KIND OF THE OPEN SPACE.
ACTUALLY, IT WOULD BE UP IN THE OTHER END OF THE PROPERTY.
IT'S LIKE 85 ACRES IS UP THERE.
IT DOES LIKE TWO SEPARATE PARCELS.
THAT'S CORRECT. YEP, AND THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD DO THE TRUCK AND TRACTOR PULL, AND IT HAS A SALES WOULD BE WITHIN THAT IN THE WOODED AREA RIGHT THERE AND THE FIELDS THAT'S ALL OUT THERE.
IT LOOKS LIKE TWO. PLUS. I THINK YOU GOT SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY WOULD ENJOY.
GOOD, BUT LIKE I SAID, WE NEED A SITE PLAN.
WE NEED THE HOURS OF OPERATION.
WE GO OUT ALL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, NOT WHAT'S THE NOISE MITIGATION? ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? IT IS VERY CLOSE TO A A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.
THERE ARE HOUSES DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THIS PROPERTY.
PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE, THERE FOR YEARS.
SO LOCATION IS OF IMPORTANCE BECAUSE OF NOISE.
THIS SITE IS ALWAYS HAS HISTORY OF HAVING A NOXIOUS ODORS, AND FINALLY THAT'S GONE, AND NOW, YOU KNOW, NOISE WOULD BE A DIFFICULT CHALLENGE FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
CAN WE? AND WE MAY HEAR WE'RE IN A HEARING.
LET'S LET'S SEE WHERE THAT TAKES US.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THE TRUCKING FIRM REPAIR SHOP WILL REMAIN ON THE FRONT PART OF THE PROPERTY? YES, SIR, AND THEN THE ATV PART.
OKAY. DO YOU HELP GET YOUR STUFF TOGETHER? MR. RANDOLPH IS SITTING RIGHT THERE.
I'M SURE IF YOU CONTACTED HIM TOMORROW, HE'D BE WORKING TOMORROW, RIGHT? HE WOULD BE. HE WOULD BE GLAD TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU AND GET ALL THIS PLANNED OUT.
SO IT WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM WHEN YOU CAME BACK.
OKAY. IT MAY WORK ON SOME OF THOSE DETAILS.
POSSIBLY, BUT THE HEARING THE HEARING IS OPEN STILL.
SO IT'S ANY MORE QUESTIONS, AND I WOULD JUST SAY TO KIND OF GO ALONG WITH THAT, IT WAS JUST AS MUCH INFORMATION ABOUT LIKE YOUR BUSINESS AND OPERATION AND WHAT YOU PLAN ON DOING AS A MOTORSPORTS PARK.
YOU KNOW, JUST ALL THE INFORMATION, DETAILS YOU CAN GIVE US.
YEAH. I EVEN YOU SAID TWICE A YEAR, BUT YOU REALLY NEED TO GIVE US A KIND OF A CALENDAR, RIGHT? THE TRUCK AND TRACTOR POOL WILL BE LIKE TWICE A YEAR, BUT THE ATV PARK WOULD BE WEEKENDS, RIGHT? SO WE NEED ALL OF THAT KIND OF OPERATIONS.
WHAT WE'LL DO IS JUST, YOU KNOW, DELAY IT AND YOU WON'T HAVE TO APPLY AGAIN.
THAT'S RIGHT. GET THAT INFORMATION.
DOES THAT WORK? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
NOW. THE HEARING IS STILL OPEN.
SO IF ANYBODY WANTS TO COME UP AND SPEAK, NOW NOW'S THE TIME.
YES, MA'AM, AND MAY I? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
WELL, I THINK I PUT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE, TOO, BUT I AM JANE BARNES.
I LIVE AT TWO, THREE, FOUR, SIX, SIX OLD BRIDGE ROAD IN COURTLAND, VIRGINIA, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY GOOD EVENING TO THE ESTEEMED MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE.
I AM ONE OF THREE OWNERS OF THE FARM THAT IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THIS VALLEY PROTEIN PROPERTY.
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO ADDRESS YOU TODAY REGARDING THE PROPOSAL.
PROPOSED CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE MOTOR SPORTS TRUCK AND TRACTOR PULL AND ATV PARK IN OUR FACILITY IN OUR VICINITY.
THIS IS THE WAY IT WAS ADDRESSED IN THE TIDE WATER NEWS.
WHILE I APPRECIATE THE POTENTIAL FOR NEW BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES, AMHERST VOICED ADAMANT.
REFUSAL JUST AND MY DEEP CONCERNS FOR THIS PARTICULAR ACTIVITY.
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THE IMPLICATIONS ON OUR ENVIRONMENT, OUR LIVELIHOODS AND OUR QUALITY OF LIFE.FIRST AND FOREMOST, I URGE THE COMMITTEE TO PRIORITIZE THE HEALTH OF THE WETLANDS THAT ARE ON THIS PROPERTY AND THE ECOSYSTEMS THAT DEPEND ON THEM.
THE WETLANDS ARE NOT JUST A BEAUTIFUL NATURAL FEATURE.
THEY ARE VITAL FOR MAINTAINING OUR LOCAL WILDLIFE, THE FLORA AND THE FAUNA.
I PROPOSE THAT A PROFESSIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY BE CONDUCTED TO ASSESS THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS OF THIS FACILITY ON THOSE WETLANDS, INCLUDING ANY EFFECTS ON THE WATER QUALITY IN THE CREEK THAT FLOWS ACROSS THE ROAD AND INTO OUR PROPERTY THAT MY TWO BROTHERS AND I OWN.
THE CONTAMINANTS SUCH AS OIL, THE GAS, THE ANTIFREEZE AND GREASE ARE COMMON IN ALL OF THESE MOTOR SPORTS HE IS PROPOSING, AND I AM GENUINELY CONCERNED ABOUT THE RISK OF THESE SUBSTANCES CONTAMINATING OUR WATER SUPPLY AND OUR FARMLAND.
MY FAMILY HAS RELIED ON THIS LAND FOR OUR LIVELIHOOD THROUGH FARMING AND FORESTRY FOR GENERATIONS.
THIS FARM HAS BEEN IN OUR FAMILY FOR OVER 250 YEARS.
WE HAVE TRACED IT BACK TO OUR DIRECT OWNERSHIP OF THIS LAND.
WE CANNOT AFFORD TO COMPROMISE THE DELICATE BALANCE OF OUR ECOSYSTEM FOR THE SAKE OF A BUSINESS THAT COULD HAVE SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE EFFECTS.
FURTHERMORE, THE PROPOSAL RAISES CONCERNS ABOUT INCREASED TRAFFIC ON AN ALREADY BUSY HIGHWAY.
I WILL ASK, WILL VDOT CONDUCT A VERY THOROUGH FARO.
WITH THE INFLUX OF VISITORS TO THE PARK, WE MUST ENSURE THAT OUR ROADS REMAIN SAFE, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE VOLUME OF THE TRACTOR TRAILERS AND THE OTHER TRAFFIC THAT IS TRAVERSED ON OUR HIGHWAYS.
WHAT SPECIFIC MEASURES WILL BE PUT IN PLACE TO MANAGE THIS INCREASE IN TRAFFIC AND ENSURE THE SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITY? WE ALL KNOW WHAT 58 HIGHWAY IS.
IT'S GOING BACK TO SUICIDE ALLEY.
THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE RESIDENTS OF THE SURROUNDING AREA IS ANOTHER CRITICAL CONCERN.
AN ENTERTAINMENT FACILITY LIKE THIS WILL GENERATE INCREASED NOISE AND TRAFFIC, WHICH WILL DISRUPT THE PEACEFUL ENVIRONMENT THAT WE CHERISH.
WHAT SAFETY MEASURES WILL BE IMPLEMENTED TO PREVENT PATRONS FROM TRESPASSING ON OUR PRIVATE PROPERTIES, IT'S VITAL TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES BEFORE GRANTING PERMISSION FOR SUCH A VENUE.
LASTLY, THE SAFETY OF THOSE WHO VISIT THE PARK IS PARAMOUNT.
FACILITIES LIKE THIS OFTEN SEE CONCERNING NUMBERS OF INJURIES AND EVEN FATALITIES, AND I URGE THIS COMMITTEE TO COMMITTEE TO INQUIRE ABOUT THESE MEASURES THAT WILL BE TAKEN TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THE PATRONS AND TO MINIMIZE RISK ASSOCIATED WITH THIS FACILITY.
I ASK EACH OF YOU THIS QUESTION.
WOULD YOU EACH ONE OF YOU, WOULD YOU WANT THIS ACROSS FROM YOUR HOME? THE HOME THAT YOU GO TO EVERY NIGHT AFTER YOU WORK AND YOU WANT TO SIT DOWN TO DINNER WITH YOUR FAMILY, YOU WANT YOUR CHILDREN TO BE ABLE TO PLAY IN THEIR YARDS, THE PLACE WHERE YOU HAVE FAMILY GATHERINGS AND THE PLACE WHERE YOU EXPECT TO BE ABLE TO GET A GOOD NIGHT'S SLEEP, AND IF YOUR ANSWER IS NO TO ANY OF THIS, YOU CANNOT, IN GOOD FAITH
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AND CONSCIENCE APPROVE THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.IN CONCLUSION, I IMPLORE YOU TO CONSIDER THE BROADER IMPLICATIONS OF THIS PROPOSAL ON OUR COMMUNITY, OUR ENVIRONMENT, AND OUR WAY OF LIFE.
LET US PRIORITIZE RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT THAT RESPECTS OUR LAND, OUR LIVELIHOODS AND OUR HEALTH.
I ASK FOR YOU TO SUPPORT IN ADVOCATING FOR A THOROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY, AND FOR COMPREHENSIVE SAFETY MEASURES TO BE PUT IN PLACE BEFORE ANY DECISIONS ARE MADE REGARDING THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR LISTENING TO ME.
CAN I ASK YOU A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS? YES. FIRST OF ALL, YOU HAVE A LOT OF GOOD POINTS THERE.
HOW DID YOU HEAR ABOUT THIS APPLICATION? DID YOU SEE IT IN THE PAPER OR.
I SAW IT IN THE PAPER, AND WE HAVE ALSO BEEN PRIVY TO THE ATVS RUNNING ALONG THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.
ALSO WE HAD CONTACTED THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE CONCERNING ABOUT OUR CONCERNS AND THE FACT THAT HE WAS ALREADY DIGGING HOLDS AND MAKING READY FOR HIS TRUCK PULLS, WHICH HE HAS ALREADY DONE, AND THE BOARD DID TAKE ACTION ON THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK HE HEEDED IT VERY WELL, BUT THE REASON I ASKED THAT WAS THEY'VE RECEIVED SOME CALLS ABOUT PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR ADJACENT LANDOWNERS WHO WEREN'T WHO WEREN'T CONTACTED.
WELL, NO SIR, I DID NOT RECEIVE A LETTER, AND I AM A LANDOWNER.
I KNOW MY BROTHER BILL DID NOT GET A LETTER EITHER.
MY BROTHER H J IS GOING TO SPEAK ON THE FACT THAT ABOUT THE MAIL HE RECEIVED.
SO I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK ON THAT.
IS YOUR LAND DIRECTLY ACROSS? IT IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM VALLEY PROTEIN.
OKAY. HOW MANY ACRES IS IT? WE HAVE 318 ACRES, I BELIEVE.
OKAY, AND HOW MANY OWNERS ARE? I WOULD ASSUME THIS IS VIC HINTON, J.
JR ET AL. YES, THAT WOULD BE IT.
VIC OR BILL? OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL GRIZZLY. I LIVE AT 32412 PEBBLE BROOK DRIVE, THE SANDY CREEK DEVELOPMENT.
THAT WAS MY MOTHER THAT SPOKE BEFORE ME.
I'M GONNA. I'M GONNA BE SHORT AND SWEET.
I'M GONNA HIT YOU WITH SOME COLD, HARD NUMBERS BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT Y'ALL LIKE.
WE HAVE ONE RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD.
HERITAGE PARKS IN WINDSOR, VIRGINIA.
NOW A QUICK GOOGLE SEARCH 2023 FACTS NATIONWIDE, WITH 2448 DEATHS IN THESE PARKS.
THE REST ARE FROM WHAT THEY CALL OTHER OFF ROAD VEHICLES.
THE BREAKDOWN UNDER 12 YEARS OF AGE 5%.
30%. ALL DEATHS RELATED TO THESE PARKS 82%.
ANY OF Y'ALL CAN LOOK THAT UP ON GOOGLE.
OUT OF THOSE, VIRGINIA CONTRIBUTED TO 72 OF THOSE, AND EVEN THOUGH HE SAYS THERE IS NO DRUG AND ALCOHOL USE ON THOSE, I WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT USED TO GO TO THESE PARKS.
AND TRUST ME, YOU CANNOT CONTROL IT.
KIDS WILL BE EXPOSED TO DRUG AND ALCOHOL.
IF HE DOES OVERNIGHT EVENTS, THEY WILL BE EXPOSED TO ADULT ACTIVITIES IF KIDS ARE THERE.
I KNOW BECAUSE I USED TO BE ONE OF THESE PEOPLE TO GO TO THOSE.
I DON'T THINK HE DID A PROPER VDOT STUDY.
I RUN THAT ROAD UP AND DOWN MOST OF MY LIFE.
THERE IS NO PROPER WAY TO TURN AROUND THE DRIVEWAY.
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ENTERING IN TO TURN OFF RAMP IS NEXT TO NOTHING, AND THESE GUYS PULL ANYWHERE FROM A 15 TO 20 FOOT TRAILER WITH ATVS ON IT.SO YOU GET 3 OR 4 OF THOSE TRYING TO TURN IN.
WHICH GOING TO LEAVE 15 20 FOOT TRAILERS HANGING INTO THE WIND WHICH COULD CAUSE ACCIDENTS.
DO WE REALLY NEED THAT? DO WE REALLY NEED THIS IN OUR COUNTY? YES, IT WOULD BE A FUN PLACE, BUT THERE ARE PLENTY OF OTHER PLACES TO GO.
THE SUGGESTION IF THIS WANTS TO, WE WANT TO DO THIS IN OUR COUNTY.
RIGHT UP THE ROAD IS SOUTHAMPTON MOTOR SPEEDWAY IS ALREADY ZONED AS A MOTOR SPORT COMPLEX.
HOW DOES HE PLAN ON HANDLING THAT? AND I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK ON ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.
MY MOTHER DID A GOOD JOB ON THAT.
I JUST DON'T THINK WE NEED THIS IN THIS AREA.
NOT IN THAT AREA. THERE'S PLENTY.
THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR, AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TODAY.
VICK JUNIOR, AND HAVE LIVED THERE FOR 32 YEARS.
THE MOTORSPORTS PARK THAT IS BEING PROPOSED TO YOU, I AM EXPRESSING MY STRONG OPPOSITION FEATURING THE TRUCK AND TRACTOR PULLS, INCLUDING THE ATVS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE POTENTIAL ECONOMIC BENEFITS AND EXCITEMENT THAT SUCH EVENTS CAN BRING, WE MUST CONSIDER THE BROADER IMPLICATIONS FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND ENVIRONMENT FIRST AND FOREMOST.
NOISE POLLUTION IS A SIGNIFICANT CONCERN.
MANY FAMILIES MOVED TO THIS AREA FOR ITS TRANQUILITY, AND WE MUST PRIORITIZE NOT ONLY THEIR WELL-BEING, BUT ALSO THE WELL-BEING OF THE LIFELONG RESIDENTS ALREADY HERE.
THE RIDING OF ATVS HAS ALREADY OCCURRED DURING THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER, AS I DISTINCTLY REMEMBER ASKING MY HUSBAND IF THE MOTORSPORTS PARK HAD ALREADY STARTED BECAUSE I COULD HEAR THE LOUD NOISE OF THE ATVS INSIDE OUR HOME WITH THE TELEVISION PLAYING.
I CANNOT EVEN BEGIN TO IMAGINE THE NOISE FROM THE TRACTORS AND TRUCKS.
AFTER WORKING HARD ALL WEEK, I WOULD LIKE TO ENJOY MY WEEKEND IN THE QUIET AS WELL AS ENJOY THE FRESH, CLEAN AIR THROUGH MY WINDOWS BECAUSE I TOO HAVE SUFFERED THROUGH THE SMELL AND ODOR OF VALLEY PROTEINS.
MOREOVER, THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT CANNOT BE OVERLOOKED.
MOTORSPORTS EVENTS NOT ONLY GENERATE SUBSTANTIAL AIR AND NOISE POLLUTION, BUT IT ALSO CONTRIBUTES TO DEGRADING THE SOIL AND MAY RISK LOCAL WILDLIFE HABITATS.
WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT OUR NATURAL RESOURCES FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.
TRAFFIC CONGESTION IS ANOTHER MAJOR ISSUE.
HIGHWAY 58 IS ALREADY CROWDED, WITH VISITORS GOING TO AND FROM VIRGINIA BEACH, AS WELL AS THE TRACTOR TRAILERS HAULING GOODS FROM THE NORFOLK SHIPYARD, INCLUDING LOG TRUCKS TRANSPORTING LOGS AND CHIPS TO THE MILLS.
GAY. ADDITIONALLY, WE MUST CONSIDER THE LONG TERM VISION FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
DO WE WANT TO BE KNOWN FOR A MOTORSPORTS VENUE, OR DO WE ASPIRE TO CREATE SPACES THAT FOSTER FAMILY FRIENDLY ACTIVITIES, INCLUDING THE BEAUTIFUL NATURE OF WILDLIFE AND A HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT? IN CONCLUSION, WHILE THE ALLURE OF A MOTORSPORTS PARK MAY SEEM ENTICING, I URGE YOU TO THINK CRITICALLY ABOUT THE POTENTIAL CONSEQUENCES.
LET'S FOCUS ON DEVELOPMENTS THAT ENHANCE OUR COMMUNITY'S QUALITY OF LIFE, PROTECT OUR ENVIRONMENT, AND REFLECT OUR VALUES AND MR. EDWARDS. TO ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER WE WERE PROPERLY NOTIFIED.
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SOUTHAMPTON PARKWAY, AND THE MAIL CARRIER WROTE ON HERE IN WSN, WHICH STANDS FOR NO SUCH NUMBER, BUT BECAUSE WE ARE A SMALL COMMUNITY, OUR MAIL CARRIER KNOWS US AND PUT IT IN THE BOX, AND THEN WE RECEIVED IT ON TUESDAY OF THIS WEEK.ALSO, THERE WAS A SIGN OF PUBLIC NOTIFICATION IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, BUT IF YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE TRAVELING DOWN 58 EAST, YOU CAN SEE THE BRICK PILLAR THERE THAT HELD THE VALLEY PROTEIN SIGN.
THE PUBLIC NOTIFICATION SIGN WAS FACING THE FARM DIRECTLY ACROSS THE ROAD.
IT WAS NOT EVEN VISIBLE TO TRAFFIC TRAVELING DOWN THE HIGHWAY, BUT CONVENIENTLY.
TODAY WHEN I CAME HOME FROM WORK, THE SIGN MAGICALLY APPEARED IN FRONT OF THE PILLAR POST.
NOW, MR. MABRY ALREADY IS NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT HAS BEEN SET BECAUSE HE HAS ALREADY CUT PATHS AND TRAILS ON THE PROPERTY IN PREPARATION, ASSUMING THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE PASSED.
I STRONGLY ASK YOU TO PLEASE DENY THIS PROPOSAL.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
THANK YOU. MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS AARON FRENCH.
I LIVE AT 941 WALDROP ROAD OR.
YEAH, WALDROP ROAD, AMELIA COURT HOUSE, VIRGINIA.
THIS EVENING I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE VICK FAMILY AS WELL AS ADAMS GROVE HUNT CLUB.
WHICH WILL INHERENTLY BE AFFECTED BY THIS PROPOSAL FOR THE ATV OFF ROAD PARK.
I DO COMMEND THE BOARD FOR REQUESTING MORE INFORMATION ON THIS PROPOSAL.
HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE PROPOSAL AT ALL BE DENIED.
I DON'T THINK THIS COUNTY RESIDENTS OF THIS COUNTY WANT PROPOSALS FOR ATV OFF ROAD PARKS ALL OVER THE COUNTY? CORRECT. THERE'S SOME CONCERNS I HAVE WITH THE PROPOSAL, WHICH Y'ALL ALREADY DID ADDRESS.
I'M A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER.
MS. STORMWATER MANAGEMENT INSPECTOR.
TO BE REVIEWED BY THE COUNTY AS WELL AS VDOT AND OTHER ENGINEERS.
THE MAJORITY OF THIS FACILITY DOES DRAIN TOWARDS HIGHWAY 58.
THERE'S TWO CULVERTS THAT GO INTO HIGHWAY 58 THAT TAKE ALL THE ALL THE RUNOFF FROM THIS FACILITY.
CHANGING THE LAND COVER OF THIS FACILITY WOULD INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF RUNOFF TO THOSE CULVERTS.
VDOT'S DRAINAGE MANUAL RECOMMENDS THAT CULVERTS UNDER A PRIMARY HIGHWAY, HIGHWAY 58, BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE A STORM FREQUENCY OF A 25 YEAR STORM. DO WE KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF THIS CHANGE IN LAND USE, CHANGE IN COVER AND INCREASE IN RUNOFF, WOULD THOSE CULVERTS BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT? THE APPLICANT SAYS HE MET WITH VDOT UNTIL THE BOARD SEES A FORMAL STUDY.
I DON'T RECOMMEND ANY DECISION BE MADE.
ADDITIONALLY THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THAT THE TRUCK POOL BE LOCATED ON THE OTHER END OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS THE FARTHEST EXTENT AWAY FROM THE EXISTING ENTRANCE, WHILE THE EXISTING ENTRANCE IS COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE.
WHAT ENTRANCE MAY BE CONSTRUCTED OR USED FOR THESE PROPOSED EVENTS IN THE TRUCK POOLS? ADDITIONALLY, CHANGE IN LAND COVER, WHICH IS PROPOSED WOULD NOT REALLY ALIGN WITH THE OTHER FACILITIES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THE CURRENT ZONING TEXT.
IT LISTS GOLF COURSES, RANGES, RANCHES.
IN FACT, THE TURF ON A GOLF COURSE ACTUALLY TAKES UP MORE WATER PER ACRE THAN THAT OF ROWE CROPS.
AGAIN, A FULL SITE PLAN WITH ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION BEFORE APPROVAL OF THIS TO DETERMINE THOSE IMPACTS, THE DISTURBANCE AREA, THE AMOUNT OF LAND TO BE DISTURBED AND WHAT PERMITS WOULD APPLY, WOULD IT NEED TO GO ALL THE WAY TO DEQ FOR FULL SITE PLAN, FULL REVIEW AND PERMITTING NATIONWIDE THREE PERMITS AND SUCH? WHAT WOULD THE INS PLAN BE?
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WOULD A SWAMP BE REQUIRED AND IS THE APPLICANT READY TO ADHERE TO THAT SWIFT PROGRAM? ALSO, WHAT'S WHAT'S VOLUME AND RUNOFF CHANGE GOING TO BE? ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO CONSTRUCT A DETENTION FACILITY PRE POST CONSTRUCTION TO CHANGE AND ACCOMMODATE THAT CHANGE IN RUNOFF.SO WE DON'T ACCOMMODATE THE VICK PROPERTY DOWNSTREAM? I DON'T THINK THAT THE VICK'S ONE ADDITIONAL RUNOFF OR SEDIMENTATION ON THEIR PROPERTY.
AGAIN SEDIMENTATION COULD BE A PROBLEM ALSO FOR THREATENED ENDANGERED SPECIES.
THIS AREA IS IN THE CHOWAN RIVER BASIN.
THERE'S TNA SPECIES SUCH AS ROANOKE LOGPERCH SMALL FISH THREATENING, ENDANGERED.
IS IT EXPLICITLY HARMED BY SEDIMENTATION OF CREEKS AND RIVERS? SO AGAIN, ENVIRONMENTAL SHOULD BE A LARGE CONSIDERATION IN THIS PROPOSAL IF IT IS EVEN APPROVED.
ANYONE ELSE? WELL, I GOT ONE THING.
I LIVE, I MAKE VIC AND I LIVE RIGHT ACROSS THE ROAD FROM THIS PLACE THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT DOING.
AND I KNEW THAT THE I THINK HIS NAME IS REAGAN PRINCE.
HE HAS BEEN UP THERE AND TALKED TO MR. MABRY ABOUT WHAT HE'S DOING UP THERE, AND I THINK HE MADE HIM STOP DOING WHAT HE WAS DOING BECAUSE HE'S BEEN CUT PATHS THROUGH ALL THIS, ALL THE WOODLANDS.
HE'S DUG HOLES OUT IN THE FIELDS AND STUFF, WHICH HE STOPPED, BUT MY MAIN CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT YOUR FOUR WHEELERS RUNNING MUD, AND YOU GOT TO PUMP WATER FROM SOMEWHERE TO PUT IN ALL THESE HOLES TO CREATE ALL THIS MUD.
SO WHAT'S THAT GOING TO DO TO THE WATER TABLE? MY WAY OF WATER AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M REALLY CONCERNED, AND STORM WATER RUNOFF.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S A REAL BIG CONCERN BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT IT ON US ANYWAY, AND THAT'S.
THANK YOU, MISTER VICK. GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS UAB. I AM THE FIRE CHIEF FOR DREWRYVILLE VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT.
I MET MR. MABRY LAST FALL AFTER HE HAD AN INCIDENT AT HIS FACILITY.
WHAT CAN I DO FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN THE COMMUNITY? HE HAS SPOKEN WITH ME THROUGHOUT HIS PROCESSES.
THIS WAS THE FIRST THING HE CAME TO ME ABOUT.
DO YOU THINK THIS WOULD MAKE MONEY AND BE AND BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY? I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE TO BE A STUDY.
I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN ADAMS GROVE.
I LIVED THERE FOR ALL OF MY CHILDHOOD AND PART OF MY ADULT LIFE NOT FAR FROM THERE.
I WILL SUPPORT AS LONG AS IT IS NOT ILLEGAL, IMMORAL OR UNETHICAL.
A YEAR OF HOW I CAN PROTECT THE COMMUNITY.
THAT WAS HIS VERY FIRST AND FOREMOST THOUGHT WHEN WE MET IS, WHAT CAN I DO FOR YOU? AND THIS WAS ONE OF HIS PLANS.
I CAN'T SPEAK ON THE ATV PART.
WE WENT BACK AND FORTH ON THE TRUCK AND TRACTOR PULL.
THANK YOU. CAN I HAVE CAN I HAVE A REPORT ON THAT? CAN I? YES, SIR. YES, SIR.
OKAY. I AGREE WITH WHAT HE SAYS ABOUT MAKING MONEY FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT LET ME TELL YOU WHAT DROVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DID FOR I WORKED AT VALLEY PROTEIN FOR 41 YEARS.
WE HAD A FIRE AT VALLEY PROTEINS AND WHICH DROVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND FIRE DEPARTMENT.
EVERY FIRE DEPARTMENT IN 20 MILES.
50 MILES CAME TO IT AFTER IT WAS ALL SAID AND DONE.
WE GOT A BILL FROM DREWRYVILLE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR $30,000.
SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS WHAT KIND OF BENEFIT IS THERE GOING TO BE TO THEM WHEN THEY COME TO YOUR HOUSE TO FIGHT A FIRE, COME TO YOUR BUSINESS TO FIGHT A FIRE.
THEY SEND YOU A BILL FOR FIGHTING.
THAT'S ALL I GOTTA SAY ABOUT THAT.
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YEAH, AND WE PAID THE BILL, TOO.I WILL OFFER REBUTTAL TO THAT, AND I WILL NOT ENTERTAIN ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THAT.
DOCTOR EDWARDS KNOWS WHAT OUR BUDGET IS A YEAR.
WE LOST OVER $30,000 AT THE VALLEY PROTEIN FIRE.
IF I DO THAT, I CANNOT ANSWER 911 CALLS TO TOUCH ON WHAT HE SAID.
VALLEY PROTEIN PAID US $10,000.
I LOST FIRE HOSE TURNOUT GEAR.
I LOST AN ENTIRE FIRE ENGINE OF FIRE HOSE.
THEY PAID US $10,000 AND IT TOOK SIX MONTHS TO GET.
OKAY. CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? THANK YOU, AND I JUST WANT TO DISPEL MISINFORMATION.
IF YOU RESPOND TO A HOUSE? THE GENTLEMAN SAID THAT WHEN YOU RESPOND TO A HOUSE THAT YOU SEND A BILL.
IS THAT CORRECT? NO, WE DO NOT SEND BILLS.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE LOOKED AT DOING FOR CERTAIN THINGS.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSE, BUT BUT WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE BIT OFF SUBJECT MATTER.
SO IS IT IS IT RELATED TO THE APPLICATION? WELL, IT WAS RELATED TO HIS FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT I'LL BE HERE AFTER.
LET'S KEEP LET'S KEEP IT TO THE SUBJECT MATTER, PLEASE.
OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? AGAIN? PLANNING COMMISSION, GARY CROSS FROM BLACK CREEK AND ALL I CAN SAY IS I'M GLAD I DON'T LIVE ACROSS FROM THIS.
I LOVE RIDING FOUR WHEELERS, MOTORCYCLES GROWING UP, BUT I CAN'T STAND TO HEAR THEM RUN NOW, BUT THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE, BUT WHEN I SAY THAT, I'M GLAD I DON'T LIVE NEXT TO IT. MR. FRENCH BRINGS UP WHAT I REALLY NEED Y'ALL TO ADDRESS, AND I CAN GO HOME.
IS SHOULD THIS BE ALLOWED IN A1? AND HOW IS THE SPEEDWAY IN CAPRON ZONED? IS IT A1? BECAUSE MR. FRENCH MAKES A GOOD POINT. I MEAN, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT IN BLACK CREEK RIGHT NOW, IT COULD BE TOMORROW.
SO DO WE WANT TO ALLOW MOTOR TRUCK, TRACTOR PULL ATV PARKS TO BE IN THE PERMITTED USES IN A1 DISTRICTS? SO IS THERE ANOTHER DESIGNATION THAT WE CAN GIVE THESE TYPE OF FACILITIES AND WHAT ARE THE FACILITIES, HOW THE FACILITIES ARE ZONED INTO OTHER AREAS OF THE STATE AND OTHER STATES.
SO JUST JUST POINT A POINT OF REFERENCE IS HOW IS IT, HOW IS THIS SOUTHAMPTON SPEEDWAY ZONED? AND I DON'T THINK A1 IS WHERE THESE THINGS NEED TO BE.
MAKE ANOTHER DESIGNATION FOR IT.
SO I WON'T HAVE MY SON THINKING ABOUT PUTTING IN ONE NEXT WEEK TO AND GOD BLESS THEM.
THIS THING COULD GO ON HOLD FOREVER IF HE ALLOWS SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY TO DO AN ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY.
YEAH, SO WE'RE GETTING OFF POINT AGAIN, BUT WE GOT BUSINESSES LEAVING THE COUNTY NOW BECAUSE THE COUNTY DRAGS ITS FEET DOING ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES. WHOEVER HANDLES THAT, I DON'T KNOW, AND THAT'S MY NEXT TASK AFTER I GET THROUGH THIS CROP IS TO FIND OUT ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES, BUT I IF THIS MAN WANTS TO GO FORWARD, I, HE NEEDS ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY.
YEAH. BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAPPEN IN SOUTHAMPTON, AND WE GOT BUSINESSES LOCATED HERE NOW, CONTRIBUTING TO OUR TAX BASE THAT NEEDS TO EXPAND OUR BUSINESSES AND ON HOLD FOR ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES FOR AS LONG AS A YEAR.
SO FIND OUT HOW WE SHOULD ZONE THIS STUFF AND GET IT OUT OF A1, AND THAT'S MY QUESTION TO Y'ALL.
DANIELLE HEWITT 504 VAUGHN'S LANE FRANKLIN.
MY MOTHER SPOKE. I'M AN HEIR TO THE LAND.
SO MY FAMILY HAS OWNED THIS LAND.
THEY'VE BEEN STEWARDS OF THIS LAND, FORESTRY, AGRICULTURE, AND THEY'VE TAKEN VERY GOOD CARE OF IT.
MY UNCLE AND HIS WIFE HAVE LIVED THERE, AS YOU HEARD, OVER 32 YEARS.
THEY LIVED THERE BECAUSE IT'S PEACEFUL AND IT'S QUIET, AND THEY ENJOY THEIR POOL ON THE WEEKENDS.
SO YOU'RE ASKING THEM TO SPEND THEIR WEEK AT WORK AND THE ONE TIME THEY GET TO COME HOME AND ENJOY THEIR LIFE AND THEIR CHILDREN COMING HOME TO VISIT AND ALL THE GOOD THINGS YOU WANT THEM TO LISTEN TO.
TRACTOR PULLS AND ATVS AND ALL THE THINGS THAT GO WITH IT.
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THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE.WE'VE TAKEN VERY GOOD CARE OF OUR LAND.
WE DID OUR FORESTRY CORRECTLY.
WE DO IT SO THAT THIS LAND IS HERE TO PERSEVERE, AND WE WANT A QUIET LIFESTYLE.
SO WHAT'S THE LIKELIHOOD HE'S GOING TO KEEP THAT PROMISE? I AGREE, OUR VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT NEEDS MORE MONEY.
I 100% SUPPORT VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENTS.
ARE WE GIVING SUPPORT TO THEM, OR ARE WE JUST PICKING OUR FRIENDS IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? BECAUSE OUR RESCUE SQUADS THAT ARE ALSO VOLUNTEER WILL ALSO NEED THAT SUPPORT? BECAUSE I DON'T CARE WHAT WAIVERS YOU SIGN, I DO NOT CARE WHAT SIGNAGE YOU PUT ON.
AS SOMEONE WHO'S ALSO FREQUENTED THESE PARKS, BECAUSE I'VE OWNED ATVS, YOU CAN SAY NO ALCOHOL.
THESE PEOPLE COME, THEY PAY THEIR LITTLE FEE.
THEY DO NOT CARE IF THEIR GAS LEAKS.
I CAN PROMISE YOU THERE ARE PLENTY MORE THAT ARE NEVER REPORTED, SO IT'S GOING TO PUT A STRAIN ON OUR VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT, OUR VOLUNTEER RESCUE SQUAD AND OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO IS THIS A LITTLE BIT OF REVENUE THAT'S ONLY GOING TO BE RUN ON THE WEEKENDS.
THAT AGGRAVATES ALL THE NEIGHBORS WITH THE NOISE REALLY WORTH A LITTLE BIT OF REVENUE THAT IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BRING IN, BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO BRING IN THAT MANY JOBS EITHER, AND WE NEED BUSINESSES THAT ARE GOING TO BRING IN JOBS AND REAL REVENUE WHERE PEOPLE CAN AFFORD THOSE $415,000 HOMES THEY WANT TO PROPOSE.
ANYONE ELSE? MY NAME IS EARL CLEMENTS.
HOW Y'ALL DOING TONIGHT? I APPRECIATE Y'ALL GOING TO LISTEN TO WHAT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU.
IT'S GOING TO BE A VDOT SITUATION AND A NOISE SITUATION, AND MAYBE WHEN THEY DO THE STUDY, SOMETHING WILL COME FROM IT, BUT WE LIVE AT 4304 HICKS FORD ROAD, AND IF EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE HICKS FORD ROAD IS, IT'S A HORSESHOE ROAD THAT COMES FROM THE CROSSROADS AT ADAMS GROVE.
I THINK IT GOES SOUTH FOR JUST A SHORT WAYS, AND THEN IT RUNS PARALLEL TO 58, AND IT COMES OUT ON TOP OF THE HILL, WHICH IS RIGHT UP BEYOND VALLEY PROTEIN.
OKAY. IN MY I THINK WE'VE BEEN DOWN FOR 46 YEARS.
IN OCTOBER OF 78, AND ANYTIME THERE'S AN ACCIDENT ON 58 BETWEEN ADAMS GROVE AND THE TOP OF THE HILL, GUESS WHERE THE TRAFFIC GOES DOWN HIGGS FORD ROAD.
TRACTOR TRAILER TRUCKS WERE NOT MEANT TO GO ON HICKSVILLE ROAD, BUT WE CAN'T EVEN GET IN AND OUT OUR DRIVEWAY WHEN WE HAVE AN ACCIDENT ON 58. EVERYBODY ON HIGGS FORD ROAD SHOULD HAVE A SAY IN THAT ROAD BEING USED AS AN ALTERNATIVE FOR 58. WHEN THERE'S AN ACCIDENT BETWEEN ADAMS GROVE CROSSROADS AND WEST 615 COMES OFF ON TOP OF THE HILL COMING FROM EMPORIA TO ADAMS GROVE.
SO I JUST WANT TO BRING THAT TO THE ATTENTION OF WHEN THE STUDY IS BEING DONE, THAT IT BE THAT BE LOOKED AT INTO THE PICTURE, THAT IF THERE IS AN ACCIDENT OUT THERE, BECAUSE THE INCREASED TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF THIS FACILITY, IF IT EVER MATERIALIZES, BE THOUGHT OF ABOUT THE PEOPLE AT FAULT, FOR OUR SAFETY, FOR OUR NOISE, BECAUSE WE LIVE UP THE ROAD, JUST LIKE I SAID, ABOUT THREE MILES FROM WHERE THIS PROPOSED NOISE IS GOING TO BE AT, AND I LIVE IN MY YARD.
I LIKE QUIET, I LIKE AGRICULTURE, AND LIKE I SAID, I DON'T LIKE POLLUTION EITHER.
I APPRECIATE Y'ALL HEARING WHAT I HAD TO SAY.
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THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR.HELLO. MY NAME IS JOHN PEARSON.
I'M 715 13TH STREET, VIRGINIA BEACH, VIRGINIA.
I'VE BEEN HUNTING IN ADAMS GROVE SINCE 76 WITH THESE GENTLEMEN OVER HERE, AND I HAVE BEEN TO THE VALLEY PROTEINS WHILE IT WAS IN OPERATION. THAT SMELLY THING.
IT'S BEEN IN OPERATION FOR A LONG TIME.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT EPA AND RUN OFF OF GASOLINE, OIL, ANTIFREEZE.
MY CONCERN IS WHAT'S BEEN IN THAT ENVIRONMENT.
YOU START CUTTING THAT GROUND.
WHAT'S COMING OUT? WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON THERE FOR THAT LONG SINCE IT GOT THERE? WE SLEEP ON HIS PROPERTY IN A LITTLE SMALL PLACE.
THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT.
I TOLD YOU, ANYONE ELSE DID ALL THIS WORK FOR YOU? LAST CALL.
ALL RIGHT, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE HEARING.
I'M GONNA I'M GONNA START WITH DISCUSSION.
MR. NUCKOLS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE AWARE.
I KNOW YOUR YOUR TENURE HASN'T BEEN THAT LONG, BUT I'M GONNA ASK THE BOARD AS WELL.
WHAT? WHAT IS THE ZONING PRESENTLY? I MEAN, VALLEY PROTEINS WAS THE ACTIVE INDUSTRY.
WHAT WAS THAT PROPERTY ZONED? WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE CURRENT ZONING ON THAT FRONT? THE FRONT PART, I UNDERSTAND THE BACK PART WAS LIKE A SPRINKLER IRRIGATION SYSTEM OR SOMETHING.
I KNOW IT'S IN THE INDUSTRIAL CORRIDOR.
A FUTURE LAND USE, AND THAT WAS A THE BYPRODUCT FIELD THAT THEY SPRAYED FROM VALLEY PROTEIN.
SO WHEN I TALKED ABOUT A BROWNFIELD RIGHT.
WELL YOU KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WITH SOLAR SOLO.
YES. SO IT'S DESIGNATED AGRICULTURAL ONE, A ONE? IT IS? YES.
I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S INTERESTING.
GRANDFATHERED IN. GRANDFATHER.
ALL RIGHT. YOU'VE ANSWERED THAT QUESTION.
OKAY. WELL, THAT WAS MY THAT WAS MY THAT WAS MY LEADING QUESTION.
SO ANY OTHER REMARKS, CONCERNS, COMMENTS? NOW, REMEMBER WHAT WE ARE.
WE GOT A LITTLE BIT OFF ON OUR DISCUSSION.
I DIDN'T STOP IT BECAUSE IT ALL IS IS PERTINENT TO THE TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION TO, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THE APPLICATION THAT MR. NUCKOLS READ EARLIER.
THIS WOULD BE THE FIFTH APPLICATION ON OUR AGENDA.
PACKET WAS TO AMEND THE AGRICULTURE DISTRICT TO ALLOW A MOTOR SPORT TRUCK AND TRACTOR PULL AND ATV PARK. SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW.
SO I WANT YOUR COMMENTS BEING PERTINENT TO THAT.
DOCTOR EDWARDS WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS EARLIER.
I AGREE WITH DOCTOR EDWARDS ON ANY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
WE SHOULD HAVE A SPECIFIC SITE PLAN BECAUSE IT IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO WHAT ARE THE CONDITIONS? WHAT ARE THE USES? WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO BE? WHAT'S THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT? WHAT'S THE TRAFFIC IMPACT? I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I'VE SAT UP HERE AND HEARD I'VE HAD A MEETING WITH VDOT.
WELL WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THERE'S A TRAFFIC STUDY, AND VDOT GIVES US COMMENTS, AND THERE'S AN ENGINEERING REQUIREMENT FOR ANYBODY THAT SUBMITS IT, AND THEY HAVE PROS AND CONS,
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ETC. AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT.SO I THINK IT'S ON A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
I AGREE WITH THE FAMILY, AND WHAT THEY SAY.
EXCEPT FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT PART, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT AT ALL.
SO. SO MY UNDERSTANDING WAS EARLIER IN THE DISCUSSION WAS THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD CONTINUE DISCUSSION ON THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, POSSIBLY TO THE NEXT MEETING, BUT HOW ABOUT THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT? THAT'S THAT IS REALLY WHAT THIS HEARING WAS CONCERNING.
DO WE WANT TO PURSUE THAT? DO YOU NOT WANT TO PURSUE IT? I THINK IT GOES TOGETHER.
I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF DOCTOR EDWARDS THAT THEY'RE PART AND PARCEL.
SO WE WANT TO WE I LIKE TO KEEP THEM TOGETHER.
BOTH. WELL, WELL, I THINK THEY GO TOGETHER.
WELL I AGREE, BUT THEY'RE LISTED SEPARATE.
BECAUSE I KIND OF AGREE WITH MR. CROSS.
LIKE IF MOST OF OUR COUNTIES THEY WANT.
SO WHAT STOPS SOMEONE FROM YOU KNOW.
COMING IN AND WE'RE GETTING THESE APPLICATIONS ALL THE TIME.
SO DO WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A SPECIAL.
ZONING DESIGNATION OR FIND OUT WHAT THE IS THE.
DID WE EVER ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT THE SPEEDWAY? IS THAT IN A1? YES, IT IS IN A1.
NO IT'S M1. M1 THE ACTUAL TRACK ITSELF IS M1.
IT WAS A CONDITIONAL AND I REMEMBER RESEARCHING THAT FOR SOMEONE.
THERE WAS IT WAS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
IT MAY IT MAY WELL HAVE BEEN BUT IT WAS A1 WENT TO M1.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, THE ACTUAL TRACK ITSELF IS M1 AND THEN THE SURROUNDING PARKING AREAS.
ANCILLARY FIELDS ARE IT IS COLORED RED IN THE PLAN.
YOU'RE RIGHT, BUT IT WAS ALL UNDER A CUP, I BELIEVE.
WERE YOU GOING TO DO LIKE WE DID? THE OTHER ONE IS IS CLOSE IT AND HOLD OFF THE VOTING AND OPEN THE DOOR FOR YOU.
WELL WE'RE CLOSED. WE'VE WE'VE HAD THAT HEARING.
I STILL NEED TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF THE CONDITIONAL USE, BECAUSE WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THAT PRELIMINARY PROCEEDING, BUT WE CAN DELAY ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AND A VOTE.
CONTINUE THIS MEETING TO OUR NEXT TIME WE GATHER.
IS THAT. AM I HEARING THAT CORRECTLY? IS THAT IS THAT WAS, AND HE WILL HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
THAT'S CORRECT. CORRECT. CORRECT.
DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION. OKAY.
WE STILL NEED TO OPEN THE LAST HEARING.
WE MAY NOT, BUT WE GOT TO DO DUE DILIGENCE BECAUSE IT'S BEEN ADVERTISED.
WE HAD TO GO THROUGH THE FORMALITY.
CORRECT. YOU WANT A MOTION TO TABLE THE ZTA 2024 TO THE NEXT MEETING? THE NEXT MEETING. THEN I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.
OKAY, SO YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A PROPER SECOND THAT WE DELAY ANY OTHER ACTION ON THIS? WE WILL CONTINUE TO CONTINUE THIS MEETING TO THE NEXT TIME THAT WE ARE GATHERED HERE, AND WILL DELIBERATE FURTHER.
HAD ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AT THAT POINT.
SO, ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION, SAY AYE.
AYE. ANY OPPOSED? LIKE SIGN. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
SO FOR THE SAKE OF GOING THROUGH THE PROPER PROCEDURES, I'M GOING TO ASK MISTER NUCKOLS IF HE'LL PROCEED WITH THE LAST NUMBER SIX APPLICATION FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
IT'S A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL ONE AND IS LOCATED AT 25 170 VALPO DRIVE X PARCEL 67, 57 AND 60 72B.
THE PARCEL IS ON THE SOUTHWEST VOTING DISTRICT AND THE BOYKINS-BRANCHVILLE MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. NUCKOLS. ALL RIGHT.
ALL RIGHT, SO AT THIS POINT, I'M GOING TO OPEN THE HEARING.
IF ANYBODY WANTS TO COME BACK AND SAY ANYTHING ELSE AS FAR AS RELATING TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, BUT I CAN ALREADY TELL YOU WE CAN PROBABLY CONTINUE THIS PORTION TO ANOTHER TO OUR NEXT MEETING, BUT THE HEARING IS OPEN IF ANYBODY HAS ANY OTHER REMARKS TO MAKE.
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YES, MA'AM. COME FORWARD PLEASE.JANE BARNES, 23466 OLD BRIDGE ROAD, COURTLAND, VIRGINIA.
I SAT HERE AND LISTENED TO YOU TALK ABOUT PROMOTING AGRICULTURE.
THAT IS WHAT OUR COUNTY WANTED.
IT IS WHAT YOU DECIDED TO PROMOTE.
SO I ASK YOU, WHY NOT VOTE NOW? BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO LIVE UP TO WHAT YOU SAID, THERE IS NO MORE DISCUSSION.
IT IS AGRICULTURAL AND THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE.
I'M GOING TO MAKE THIS PRETTY SHORT AGAIN.
MICHAEL GRIZZARD. I HEARD Y'ALL DISCUSSING SAYING THAT VALLEY PROTEINS IS DESIGNATED A1.
CORRECT. THAT'S WHAT IT SEEMS TO BE.
YES, SIR, AND IT WAS GRANDFATHERED IN.
THAT'S WHAT IT SEEMED TO BE. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT VALLEY PROTEINS NO LONGER OWNS THAT PROPERTY.
MR. MABRY DOES. SO THAT GRANDFATHER CLAUSE SHOULD NO LONGER TAKE EFFECT, AND THE WHOLE PROPERTY SHOULD BE KEPT AS A1, AND IF HE'S GOING TO CHANGE IT FOR SOMETHING ELSE, IT SHOULD BE PETITIONED TO BE REZONED FOR WHATEVER IT IS, AND THAT'S.
AM I READING THAT CORRECTLY? WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK INTO.
IS IT GOING TO BE PERMITTED IN AN A1 CLASSIFICATION? I'VE BEEN IN A SITUATION WITH GRANDFATHERED CLAUSES.
AND WHEN I TOOK OVER, MY GRANDFATHER CLAUSE WAS NOT IN EFFECT.
AS YOU CAN TELL, WE'RE REALLY AGAINST THIS.
AGAIN, DANIELLE HEWITT FOR FRANKLIN.
I UNDERSTAND YOU ARE TABLING THE ZONE CHANGE, BUT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
I DON'T AGREE WITH TABLING THAT.
THAT'S. YOU EITHER WANT TO SAVE THE LAND, TO HAVE IT AGRICULTURE TO BE WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, AND ALLOW MY FAMILY TO CONTINUE LIVING IN PEACE AND NOT THEIR WEEKENDS RUINED WITH ALL OF THIS ACTIVITY OR YOU DON'T.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A STUDY ON WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE WHO'VE LIVED IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR DECADES DESERVE TO HAVE AN AT PARK RUIN THEIR WEEKENDS. I DON'T THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE A CONTINUANCE.
AGAIN. AARON FRENCH, 941 WALDRON ROAD, MILL COURT HOUSE, VIRGINIA.
CORRECT. IT'S THE FUTURE PLANNING MAP.
IS INDUSTRIAL FUTURE PLANNING MAP? IT'S NOT. NOT ACTUALLY ZONED INDUSTRIAL.
IT WOULD IT WOULD IT STILL DISAGREE WITH WHAT THE LAND USE THE COUNTY'S PLANNED USE FOR THE PROPERTY IS MORE OR LESS BE TO BRING THE CURRENT FACILITY UP TO STANDARD AS AN INDUSTRIAL FACILITY.
THAT CORRIDOR IS IN OUR FUTURE LAND MAP AS INDUSTRIAL.
IT WILL IT WILL BE LOOKED UPON FAVORABLY AS INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT.
ANYONE ELSE WILL COME FORWARD.
ALL RIGHT, SO WE MADE IT THROUGH SIX HEARINGS.
SO IN RESPONSE, MISS JANE, TO OUR CONCERNS SINCE THE FIRST HEARING, SINCE WE'VE ALREADY AGREED TO COME BACK WITH SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
TO BE FAIR AND APPLICABLE FOR EVERYBODY TO HAVE THEIR $0.02 WORTH.
I THINK WE DO NEED TO HEAR ANY OTHER INFORMATION THAT HE CAN BRING FORWARD, BUT WE'VE ALL I SEE A LOT OF NOTES HAVE BEEN TAKEN, AS YOU ALL HAVE BEEN PRESENTING YOUR, YOUR SIDE OF THE CASE, AND I'LL CERTAINLY BE CONSIDERED.
SO I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE HAD TO BE FAIR TO BOTH SIDES, AND I KNOW YOU UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO THAT BEING SAID WHAT IS THE FEELING OF THE BOARD THAT WE WILL ALSO TAKE UP THIS? CORRECT. SO I ALSO NEED A MOTION THAT WE TAKE UP ANY NO FURTHER ACTION TONIGHT.
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TABLE IT THAT WE WERE THIS TABLE, THIS ACTION AND WILL CONTINUE THIS MEETING.CORRECT. DO WE CONTINUE? WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO MEETING.
CORRECT. BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO CONTINUE TO.
THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN CLOSED.
CAN WE CAN WE CAN WE CLOSE THE MEETING? YOU CAN DEFER IT.
WE CAN DELAY THE ACTION, BUT WE'RE NOT CONTINUING THE PUBLIC.
YOU CAN DEFER IT AND CLOSE THE MEETING AND OPEN IT BACK UP.
YES. WE CAN ADJOURN THE MEETING BECAUSE WE.
WE'VE ALREADY HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING.
OKAY. WELL, I MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
OKAY. NOW I'LL ENTERTAIN A SECOND.
SO SINCE WE'VE WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE CAN CLOSE THIS MEETING.
YES. MR. CHAIRMAN, IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANT GETS A COPY OF THE MINUTES HERE SO HE CAN ADDRESS THOSE THINGS THAT WE BROUGHT UP? SO THERE'S NO QUESTION.
MISS SHEILA, I'M SURE YOU'RE GOING TO WORK WITH MR. RANDOLPH AND MAKE SURE THAT WE CONVEY TO THE APPLICANT.
IS THAT AGREEABLE? IN A TIMELY FASHION.
SO WE CAN ADDRESS THIS AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE MEETING RIGHT NOW? IF NOT, ITEM NUMBER FIVE, UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
I'M GOING TO SUGGEST WE JUST PUT IT ON HOLD.
I'M TIRED AND WEARY, AND YOU ALL ARE.
I WANT TO BEFORE WE ADJOURN, I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE THAT HAS COME TONIGHT.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR PARTICIPATION.
I'M GLAD YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT WE DO, AND WE NEED.
WE NEED PUBLIC INPUT, AND JUST.
I HOPE YOU'RE GOING TO TRUST US TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION.
WE CONSIDER ALL THE FEELINGS AND YOUR CONCERNS, BUT LIKE I SAID, WE ARE WE ARE THE APPOINTED COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, AND WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT TO MAKE A DECISION THAT'S BEST FOR THE COUNTY.
SO BUT WE DO APPRECIATE WHEN WE HAVE A GOOD AUDIENCE, AND I APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S RESPECTFULNESS OF EACH OTHER, AND I THOUGHT THE MEETING WENT VERY WELL.
IT WAS A IT WAS IT WAS A BIG MEETING FOR ALL OF US TO HAVE SIX HEARINGS, BUT WE MADE IT, AND WE HOPE THAT ALL OF Y'ALL HAVE A SAFE TRIP HOME, AND FEEL FREE TO COME BACK ANYTIME.
SO I APPRECIATE YOU ALL BEING HERE TONIGHT.
OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN. YES. YES, MA'AM.
SECOND. THANK YOU, MISS ALLISON. CAN WE THANK MR. NUCKLES FOR HIS TIME? YES, YES, WE DO TAKE A VOTE ON THAT OR A VOTE ON THAT.
I WILL, I WILL SIGNAL OUR ADJOURNMENT, AND MR. NUCKLES, WE DO APPRECIATE YOUR TENURE HERE.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.