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>> GOOD EVENING. I'M GOING TO ASK YOU IF EVERYONE WILL STAND TO RECITE OUR PRIVILEGE TO
[I. CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL]
THE FLAG ALLEGIANCE] I'M GOING TO ASK IF YOU REMAIN STANDING, AND I'LL HAVE A SHORT EMUCATION RIGHT YOUR HEADS IF YOU WISH.HEAVENLY FATHER, WE GIVE THANKS LORD FOR THIS AFTERNOON THAT WE CAN COME AND ASSEMBLE AS PLANNING COMMISSION.
ALTHOUGH WE ASKED THAT YOU BE WITH US IN OUR MEETING TONIGHT, THAT WILL HAVE GOOD DISCUSSION AND GOOD INFORMATION AND DECISIONS TONIGHT WILL BE PLEASING TO YOU.
LORD WE GIVE THANKS FOR ALL THE BLESSINGS YOU GIVE TO US EACH AND EVERY DAY AND ALL THESE THANKS AT YOUR SON'S NAME, JESUS CHRIST, AMEN.
>> YOU MAY BE SEATED. AGAIN, GOOD EVENING.
IF YOU NOTICE, I DIDN'T HAMMER TO GAMBLE TONIGHT BECAUSE THIS IS A CONTINUANCE OF OUR MEETING LAST MONTH.
OUR MEETING IS STILL IN THE SESSION, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, BEFORE WE GO INTO FURTHER, DR. HEWARD.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ALLOW REV.
LUCAS TO JOIN US TELEPHONICALLY TONIGHT.
>> ALSO, MR. BART KNUCKLES IS ALSO [OVERLAPPING] HAVE A MOTION SECOND.
>> THAT IS UNANIMOUS. WE HAVE BOTH OF THEM ONLINE.
I'VE ALREADY SPOKE TO THEM AND THEY HAVE HAVE BEEN LOUD AND CLEAR, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
WELL, AGAIN, THANKS, EVERYBODY FOR COMING TONIGHT TO OUR SEPTEMBER 12 MEETING.
WE DON'T HAVE A LOT ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT, BUT WE HAVE SOME IMPORTANT THINGS WANT TO DISCUSS.
FOLLOWING ALONG WITH OUR AGENDA.
ITEM NUMBER 2, THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF OUR AUGUST MEETING.
[II. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
NOW, THAT WILL BE THE FIRST STAGE OF THE SAME MEETING.AGAIN, THIS MEETING HAS BEEN CONTINUED, BUT I SEE EVERYBODY HAD THE PACKAGE TONIGHT BEFORE BEFORE I ENTERTAINED THE MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
I JUST I JUST RECEIVED MY MINUTES ON TUESDAY.
I'M SEEING SOME NOTES. WERE THEY A LITTLE BIT DELAYED OR IT WAS AT MY MAIL?
>> NO, IT WAS MY MAIL, TOO. I ONLY GOT. [OVERLAPPING].
>> BUT I PULLED IT UP ONLINE TOO.
>> YES SIR, MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST RECEIVED MINE LIKE TUESDAY AS WELL.
>> THANK YOU, MR. LUCAS. WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES WERE, BUT THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT LATE.
I LIKE TO HAVE MINE ON A WEEKEND.
I LIKE TO REVIEW MINE ON THE WEEKEND, BUT MS. BAKER, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT HOLD UP WAS, BUT USUALLY YOU'RE VERY TIMELY IN GETTING THOSE OUT.
BUT ANYWAY, WE'LL WORK ON THAT MAYBE FOR OUR NEXT MEETING.
I HOPE EVERYONE HAS REVIEWED THEIR MINUTES.
IS THERE ANY AMENDMENTS, ANY CORRECTIONS, ANY ADDITIONS?
>> AFFIRMATION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED AND PROPER SECONDS.
IS ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES THAT'S PRESENTED. SAY AYE.
>> OPPOSED LIKE SIGN, AND THEN APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY.
MOVING RIGHT ALONG. ITEM NUMBER 3 IS PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
[NOISE] IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD HAS ANY MATTER, THEY WOULD LIKE TO BRING FULL ATTENTION TONIGHT, EXCEPT WHAT'S ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT, YOU COME FORWARD NOW.
I'VE NOT SEEN ANYONE COME FORWARD LAST CALL.
IF NOT, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
[IV. PUBLIC HEARING]
WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT.THE REQUEST IS A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FROM M1 INDUSTRIAL LIMITED TO B2 BUSINESS DISTRICT 2 FOR APPROXIMATELY 2.5 ACRES OF A 22.8 ACRE TRACK ON GENERAL MAHONE BOULEVARD, THAT BEING US 460, NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF HOLMAN DRIVE.
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THE PROPERTY HAS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATION OF INDUSTRIAL.SUCH A REQUESTED ZONING DESIGNATION WILL REQUIRE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATION TO COMMERCIAL.
THE PLAN DESIGNATION FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN INDUSTRIAL SINCE THE 2001 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION IS DIRECTLY ACROSS ON US 460 AND ON THE SOUTHSIDE OF THE 22.8 ACRE TRACT, THIS PARCEL IS PART OF MAKING AN AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN APPROPRIATE.
THE APPLICANT IS SPECIFICALLY REQUESTING THE 2.5 ACRES SECTION OF WOODED AREA ON THE NORTHWEST END OF THE PROPERTY TO BE DEVELOPED AS A FEED AND FARM SUPPLY STORE WITH A GREENHOUSE UNDER THE PROPOSED B2 ZONING CLASSIFICATION.
THIS CLASSIFICATION IS OUTLINED IN ARTICLE 9, SECTION 18-222, PARAGRAPH 14 AND 19 UNDER B2.
THE REMAINING 20.38 ACRES TO REMAIN IN ONE.
THE FIRST ITEM IS THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT, AND I WILL ASK THE BOARD, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS, AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT LAST MEETING.
I THINK EVERYBODY WAS FAMILIAR WITH THE TRACK.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE PROCEED WITH THE HEARING? WELL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR BART? BEFORE WE PROCEED. MR. KNUCKLES, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS BEFORE WE PROCEED WITH THE HEARING?
>> IF I HAVE A COMMENT I WOULD HAVE WOULD BE JUST A SEQUENTIAL COMMENT HOW THE COMMISSION MAY WANT TO PROCEED.
YOU KNOW THAT YOUR SECOND ITEM TONIGHT IS THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE ACTUAL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.
IF SO DESIRED, THE COMMISSION MAY WANT TO TAKE ACTION.
FIRST ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF AMENDMENT BEFORE PROCEEDING WITH THE CURRENT REZONING AMENDMENT PLANS BEFORE YOU ARRIVE AT THIS MOMENT.
BUT THAT'S A SEQUENTIAL ITEM. THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED.
>> SINCE WE HAVEN'T, WE'RE JUST MAKING GENERAL REMARKS, I WILL GO AHEAD AND READ THE INFO CONCERNING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, AND WE'LL DO THAT FIRST AND THEN COME BACK TO THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, 2024, ONE IS THE APPLICATION BY STEVEN A. PADEN FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAP AMENDMENT FROM INDUSTRIAL TO COMMERCIAL FOR TAX PARCEL 7-46B.
THE PROPERTY TOTALS 2.5 ACRES OF THE 22.88 ACRE TRACT.
IT IS LOCATED ON SOUTHWEST SIDE OF GENERAL MAHONE BOULEVARD, US 460, JUST WEST OF HOLMAN DRIVE.
THE PROPERTY IS IN NORTHEAST VOTING DISTRICT AND THE IVOR MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
THE FIRST HEARING TONIGHT IS GOING TO BE FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAP AMENDMENT.
AGAIN, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE PROCEED? BEING NONE, I WILL OPEN THE HEARING.
[NOISE] WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT? YES, SIR.
THE PRESIDENT CEO OF FRANKLIN SOUTHAMPTON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
THE AMENDMENT THAT WE BELIEVE THIS FEED STORE WILL BE A POSITIVE IMPACT ON IOR, ESPECIALLY AS THAT CORRIDOR IS STARTING TO GROW.
MR. PADEN'S OTHER PLANS INVOLVE MORE TYPICAL M1 USES, WAREHOUSING, AND THAT KIND OF THING THAT GO WITH IT.
WE DON'T NORMALLY LIKE TO SEE INDUSTRIAL LAND REZONED TO SOMETHING ELSE.
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BUT IN THIS CASE, I BELIEVE IT'S APPROPRIATE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.IT'S A USE THAT FITS THE AGRICULTURAL INDUSTRIES OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, WILL SERVICE OUR RESIDENTS BETTER THAN OTHER USES AND MAKE IT A LOT EASIER FOR THEM TO OBTAIN THE GOODS AND SERVICES THAT MR. PADEN IS GOING TO OFFER THERE.
WITH THAT, WE WOULD LIKE THIS TO BOTH THE COMPREHENSIVE AMEND AND THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT TO GO FORWARD.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
>> THANK YOU, MR. HECK. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. HECK? THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE? LAST CALL. I'LL CLOSE THE HEARING.
[NOISE] ANY OTHER DISCUSSION AMONG THE BOARD MEMBERS? WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT?
>> I THINK THE COMMENTS ARE MOSTLY POSITIVE?
>> ON THE STRIKES OF THE APPLICATION, THE SITE PLAN LOOKS GOOD.
I THINK THAT IT'S AN AGREE USE.
THE CORRIDOR IS TRENDING BUSINESS FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, CLEARLY ALL 460.
THE WEAKNESS SAYS THAT IT'S DESIGNATED AS INDUSTRIAL IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
BUT IT'S NOT OFFENSIVE FOR IT TO BE A BUSINESS USE AS THE AREA GROWS OFF 460, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, NOT TOO LONG AGO, WE WERE TALKING WITH BOB MCDONALD, THE BYPASS.
REMEMBER THAT WHERE IT WAS JUST GOING TO BE COMPLETELY BYPASSED, AND THEN THAT WENT AWAY FOR POLITICAL REASONS OR WETLAND ISSUES, SO I'M FOR THE APPLICATION.
>> WILL THIS REQUIRE TURN LANES? I KNOW 460 IS GETTING MIGHTY CROWDED.
I NOTICED THAT A LOT OF THE BUSINESSES DO NOT HAVE TURN LANES.
>> I'M STEVE PADEN, BY THE WAY.
WE HAVE DONE A TRAFFIC STUDY WITH VDOT, AND IT DOES NOT REQUIRE TURN LANES.
BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY FOUR LANE THERE, AND DUE TO THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT WILL COME IN AND OUT OF THERE, THEY SAID IT WAS NOT NECESSARY.
>>THANK YOU, MR. PADEN. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS?
WALKER'S SMALL ENGINES NEXT DOOR, CORRECT?
>> DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE ZONING OF THAT IS? IS THAT COMMERCIAL AS WELL?
>> AGREED TOO. I THINK IS WHAT IT WAS ON [OVERLAPPING].
>> IT WAS ON THE MAP. THAT'S ACROSS THE ROAD.
I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE. WELL, AND I HAVE A MOTION.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.
>> [OVERLAPPING] HAVE A PROPER MOTION AND A PROPER SECOND MOTION FOR APPROVAL FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? BE NONE, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE.
THE SECOND PART OF THIS APPLICATION IS THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FROM M1 INDUSTRIAL LIMITED BACK TO B2, BUSINESS DISTRICT 2.
I WANT TO GO BACK AND READ THAT AGAIN AS I READ IT BEGINNING TONIGHT.
>> AGAIN, I'LL ASK THE BOARD, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR AS THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FROM INDUSTRIAL TO BUSINESS? ANY CONCERNS WITH THAT ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE HAD TO HEARING ON THIS?
>> THIS IS A CONDITION REZONING, IS IT NOT? THIS IS CONDITION THAT HE'S GOING TO DO IS GRADE AND FEED BUSINESS. THAT RIGHT?
WE HAVE HAD THE LISTING OF THE DIFFERENT.
>> THERE'S 50 THINGS IN THERE.
>> I NOTICED THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN OUR PACKET.
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>> I THINK THIS IS A VERY APPROPRIATELY DONE CHOICE, IF THAT'S THE CONDITION THAT WE REZONING TO.
>> MR. PAT, WILL YOU COME FORWARD, PLEASE?
>> I KNOW WE BRIEFLY TALKED ABOUT AT OUR LAST MEETING ABOUT THE LISTING VARIOUS TYPES OF BUSINESSES UNDER THE B2 ARRANGEMENT APPLICATION.
WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING UNDESIRABLE IN THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION.
WOULD YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE LIMITING IT TO THE FEED AND SEED, AND I HATE TO MAKE YOU DO THAT.
>> IN THE APPLICATION, IT SAYS SPECIFICALLY REQUESTING.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE SAME LANGUAGES.
>> WOULD YOU HAVE ANY RESERVATION ABOUT ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT TYPE OF BUSINESS LAYOUT? IF YOU CHANGED IT.
>> NO. WE HAVE NO PLANS OF DOING ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT.
WE'RE BUILDING THE FEED AND FARM SUPPLY STORE.
AS LONG AS IT FITS IN THAT CATEGORY OF FEED AND FARM SUPPLY, YES.
THERE WILL BE A GREENHOUSE THERE ADJACENT TO IT, WE'LL BE SELLING SOME PLANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AT IT.
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE'LL BE DOING THERE.
>> YOU PLAN ON SOMETHING ELSE WITH THE OTHER PART?
>> YES, THE OTHER PART WE'RE PLANNING ON.
>> THE INDUSTRIAL, THE OTHER PART.
>> YES. I'M BUILDING A REFRIGERATED WAREHOUSE.
>> BUT THIS APPLICATION AND I'M LOOKING IT OVER IT'S 2.5 ACRES OF THE TOTAL PARCEL OF 22.88, AND YOU'RE ASKING FOR JUST A 2.0 BECAUSE IT SAYS, AMOUNT OF ABOVE ACREAGE TO BE CONSIDERED.
YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE 2.5 TO BE REZONED TO B2 PURSUANT TO YOUR SITE PLAN?
>> WE COULD DO IT TO B2 CONDITIONED UPON THE SITE PLAN?
>> IF HE WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT.
>> I THINK THAT ENCOMPASSES THE TWO POINT LOOKING AT IT.
>> IN THE PROPERTY ITSELF, THERE'S A NATURAL DIVISION THERE.
THERE'S A DITCH THAT RUNS ALONG THERE DIAGONAL, WHERE THE 2.5 ACRES WOULD STOP.
WE'LL BE USING THAT FOR A DRAINAGE DITCH FOR THE PROPERTY AND BE PUTTING A BMP IN THERE AS WELL.
THEN THERE'S ANOTHER SECTION OF WOODED AREA.
THE WHOLE WOODED AREA IN THAT AREA THERE IS ABOUT FIVE OR SIX ACRES BEFORE IT GETS INTO THE OPEN FIELD WHERE THE M1 DESIGNATION IS.
THEY'LL BE SEPARATED BY WOODS IN OTHER WORDS.
WE HAVE NO PLAN OF CLEARING THAT SECTION, THAT WOODS.
>> ANY MORE QUESTIONS BEFORE WE PROCEED WITH THE HEARING?
>> IF IT'S BAD, YOU CAN SAY THAT IF YOU WANT TO. IF WE HAD ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
I DON'T KNOW WHO WE'LL NOT. AT THIS POINT, I'M GOING TO OPEN THE HEARING.
YOU SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THE REZONING OF THIS PROPERTY?
>> FRANK URQUHART, BURL IN ALBOR DISTRICT.
I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS A GREAT IMPROVEMENT TO HAVE MR. PADEN COME IN WITH THE BUSINESS.
BUT AS TO MR. DAY'S QUESTION ON THE VDOT SITUATION, RIGHT NOW WITH CRAWFORD'S THERE AND THE FERTILIZER PLACE UP THERE.
THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR ANTICIPATED TRAFFIC COUNT IS.
BUT WE ALREADY HAVE HAD SEVERAL ACCIDENTS AND STUFF THERE WHERE THEY EVEN HAVE RUN INTO THE TRANSFER TRUCKS GOING INTO THE FERTILIZER PLACE.
BEING THAT WE ARE DEVELOPING THIS WHOLE SECTION, IT WOULD BE A THING TO TAKE INTO FUTURE CONSIDERATION OR HAVE IT IN MIND THAT SOME TURN LANES OR WHATEVER TO PUT THERE JUST FOR TRAFFIC SAFETY, BECAUSE 460 THROUGH THAT IS HEAVY TRAFFIC, AND THEY HAVE HAD WRECKS THERE AT CRAWFORD.
THEY'VE HAD WRECKS THERE AT THE FERTILIZER PLACE, AND I WOULD HATE TO SEE ANY OF HIS CUSTOMERS GET HURT.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
>> THANK YOU, MR. URQUHART. I'LL JUST SHARE A THOUGHT.
I TOO HAVE CONCERNS, BUT I'M GOING TO ASK THIS BOARD CORRECT ME IF I HAVE A MISREPRESENTATION,
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BUT THIS IS WE HAD TO RELY ON THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.THEY'LL MAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS IF THERE NEEDS TO BE A HIGHWAY IMPROVEMENT.
BUT I DO SHARE YOUR CONCERNS. YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.
BUT IF THERE NEEDS TO BE A LANE OR A REDUCTION SPEED LIMIT, THAT'S THE AGENCY THAT WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT, CORRECT?
>> I THINK THAT THEY WOULD DETERMINE THAT THROUGH THAT TRAFFIC STUDY THAT MR. PADEN.
>> SORRY IF I PRONOUNCE YOUR NAME WRONG, BUT.
>> [OVERLAPPING] [BACKGROUND].
>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT THE REZONING? IF NOT, I'LL CLOSE THE HEARING.
>> YOU'RE WILLING TO DO IT CONDITIONAL UPON APPROVAL OF THE SITE PLAN?
>> THAT LOOKS LIKE IT ENCOMPASSES THE WHOLE TWO POINT? THAT WOULD [INAUDIBLE]
>> I'D MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE IT.
BASED ON THE CURRENT SITE PLAN TO A B2.
>> I HAVE A PROPER MOTION. DO I HEAR I SECOND.
>> I HAVE A SECOND. IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I GOT A QUESTION MR. KNUCKLES, JUST TO SHOW TRACKS, ALL THE ADJOINING LANDOWNERS HAVE BEEN PROPERLY NOTIFIED, CORRECT?
>> MR. KNUCKLES. IF QUESTION IS, HAS ALL OF THE ADJOINING LANDOWNERS BEEN NOTIFIED?
>> THAT'S CORRECT. THEY WERE NOTIFIED OF THE REZONING REQUEST.
>> THANK YOU. I THINK THEY WERE LISTED, CORRECT?
>> THEY WERE LISTED. THEY WERE FIRST MEETING.
>> THEY WERE LISTED LAST MONTH, WHICH COVERING OUR TRACKS AS ALWAYS.
>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND BEFORE WE VOTE.
IF NOT, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE REZONING AS PRESENTED SAY AYE.
>> IN OPPOSE LIKE SIGN, IT IS PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU ALL FOR THAT, AND GOOD LUCK.
>> YES, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.
>> LOOK FORWARD TO SHOPPING WITH YOU.
>> WE WILL NOW GO DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER 5,
[V. UNFINISHED BUSINESS]
UNFINISHED BUSINESS, IF YOU REMEMBER, AT THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS.WE'VE HAD SOME BRIEF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE ELECTRICAL BATTERY STORAGE.
I THINK I INFORMED THE BOARD THAT I HAD HAD A PHONE CALL OF SOME INTERESTS, AND THEN I RECEIVED ANOTHER PHONE CALL A FEW WEEKS LATER THAT THAT THEY WERE DETERMINED THAT WE'RE NOT INTERESTED AFTER ALL.
THAT PERSON WAS ASKED TO SEND SOMEONE TO COME IN AND SPEAK TO US.
WE WENT BY MR. KNUCKLES TO COME UP WITH SOME PERTINENT INFORMATION.
THEN THAT I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT SO CALLED ELECTRICAL BATTERY STORAGE.
THIS MONTH IN OUR PACKET, HE HAS PRESENTED SOME INFORMATION.
I HOPE YOU ALL HAVE HAD TIME TO LOOK AT IT.
I JUST FEEL LIKE, IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN MS. LEWIS LEFT BACK IN APRIL, SHE LEFT US NINE OR 10 PERTINENT ITEMS THAT WE HAD MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, BUT NEVER REALLY FOLLOWED UP ON, AND THIS IS ONE OF THEM.
BUT I'LL ASK NOW IF WAS THE INFORMATION HELPFUL? DO YOU WANT TO EXPLORE IT ANY FURTHER? DO YOU THINK IT'S A ISSUE THAT MAY COME UP AT SOME POINT? I THINK WE JUST NEED TO GET MR. KNUCKLES DIRECTION.
IF WE WANT TO PURSUE ANYONE TO COME IN TO ELABORATE FURTHER
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OR DID THIS SATISFY OUR KNOWLEDGE.>> I HAVE ONE QUESTION BEFORE WE GET STARTED.
WHERE'S THE ELECTRICITY COME FROM THAT GOES IN THESE BATTERIES.
>> WELL, I'M GOING TO LET MR. KOFFLE ELABORATE, IT SEEMS LIKE FROM THE INFORMATION THAT HE SENT TO US.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A DIRECT AFFILIATION WITH A SOLAR PROJECT.
IT'S NOT JUST THE TRANSMISSION LINE.
IT'S SOMETHING TO DO WITH A SOLAR PROJECT THAT THEY CAN SHOW IT TO BATTER.
>> NOT INTERRUPT TO YOU BUT I THINK IT WORKS BOTH.
YOU CAN EITHER HAVE SOLAR OR IT CAN BE BACKUP LIKE FOR AT A SUBSTATION WITH THE TRANSMISSION LINE.
>> BUT IN THE CASE OF TALKING TO SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, AND THE TIMING OF THE PHONE CALLS TO YOU SEEMED TO BE CONNECTED TO THE NOW DEFUNCT SOLAR PROJECT THAT WAS SCHEDULED TO GO JUST OVER THE COUNTY LINE.
>> MS. OLSON, I DON'T KNOW WHERE OR WHAT? IT WAS JUST SOME INTEREST IN A FACILITY TO BEING PUT IN THE COUNTY.
>> AND LOOKING AT THE TIMINGS?
>> IT WAS COINCIDENTAL. YES, MA'AM.
>> RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO INTEREST?
>> NO. I THINK THE ONLY REASON I GOT THAT CALL IS THAT BECAUSE MS. LEWIS HAD JUST LEFT.
I THINK I DON'T KNOW IF IF IT WAS RELAYED TO MY PHONE OR IT GOT IT OFF THE WEBSITE BECAUSE USUALLY, I DO NOT GET CALLS ABOUT POTENTIAL TOPICS OR WHATEVER.
I WAS VERY DISCRETE, HOW I KNEW THAT.
>> WHEN I THINK THE INFORMATION WAS HELPFUL THAT WAS.
IT EDUCATED ME BECAUSE I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND.
I READ A FEW ARTICLES, BUT THIS ONE WAS MORE BIASED OR NON BIASED BIASED.
BECAUSE THE SOLAR PEOPLE EITHER LOVE THEM OR HATE THEM.
IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S EVER AN OBJECTIVE ARTICLE ABOUT THEM.
IT'S EITHER FOR OR AGAINST A MORE ADVOCACY THEN OBJECTIVE THINKING.
>> I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY PROVISIONS IN THE SOLAR ORDINANCE CONCERNING THE BATTERY STORAGE.
>> NO. I DON'T THINK SO, EITHER.
I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER IS IT SOMETHING WE WANT TO CONTINUE LOOKING INTO OR JUST WAIT UNTIL IT ADVOCATE COMES FORWARD, THAT'S THE DAY?
>> MY QUESTION, LOOKING A LOT OF THIS INFORMATION WAS, HOW MANY DOES IT TAKE X NUMBER OF KILOWATTS TO NEED A BATTERY STORAGE FACILITY, OR IS THE POWER COMING OFF THE GRID TO THESE FACILITIES AND BEING STORED TILL IT NEEDS IT AGAIN? BECAUSE IF WE'RE LIMITED TO 1%, DO WE REALLY NEED BATTERY STORAGE FACILITIES IN THE COUNTY?
>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. MY ONLY QUESTION ABOUT THAT IS IF IT'S NOT TIED TO THE SOLAR, AND WE DON'T HAVE A AMENDMENT CONCERNING BATTERY STORAGE.
FOR EXAMPLE, I THINK MATT CROWDER'S PROPERTY, WE HAD GOT IN AND THEY WANTED TO PUT A EIGHT ACRE BATTERY STORAGE FACILITY OFF THAT SUBSTATION OFF 671, IT WAS NOT EVEN ATTACHED TO SOLAR.
TO FILL THEM UP, AND THEN WHEN IT WAS DURING PEAK TIMES, IT WOULD PULL FROM THE STORAGE FACILITY THAT WAS NOT EVEN TIED TO SOLAR.
>> I READ SOMETHING IN HERE THAT SAYS, ON PAGE 4, THE UPSHOT IS THAT COMMUNITIES WILL NEED TO CONSIDER HOW STATIONARY BATTERY STORAGE, PARTICULARLY THE LARGER BSS APPLICATIONS FITS INTO THEIR LAND USE PLANS AND SHOULD BE ADDRESSED THROUGH ZONING.
I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
>> BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO A CONDITIONAL B2 OR A CONDITIONAL M1 TO DO A BATTERY STORAGE.
IT WOULD COME BEFORE THE BOARD FOR SPECIFIC CONDITIONS DUE TO THE SIZE BECAUSE, I DON'T WANT TO SAY OUR CODES ARE ARCHAIC.
THE WAY THAT THE CODE IS WRITTEN, IT HAS TO BE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THE WAY TO GET SOMETHING LIKE THIS PASS.
THAT'S MY READING OF OUR CURRENT ZONING ORDINANCE, EITHER IN M1 BECAUSE IT WOULD BE STORAGE.
IT HAD TO BE AN M1 OR B2, IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
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TO GO ALONG WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, THIS IS INFORMATION ABOUT HOW IT WORKS AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT IS THERE ANY OTHER LOCALITIES THAT ALREADY HAVE AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE THAT WE COULD USE A AS A TEMPLATE, LIKE WHAT WE DID WITH THIS WHOLE ORDINANCE?>> I THINK THAT'D BE A GOOD IDEA TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.
>> GET THIS BEFORE WE HAVE ALL THESE APPLICATIONS COMING IN AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THEM.
>> CORRECT. BUT I THINK OUR CODE RIGHT NOW, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN OR THE ZONING, IT ACTUALLY FAVORS US FOR THIS PARTICULAR STORAGE FACILITY THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PUT CONDITIONS TO APPROVE OR NOT TO APPROVE, AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW.
>> THE QUESTION IS, AND I HOPE YOU CAN HEAR THE CONVERSATION.
>> ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY OTHER LOCALITIES IN VIRGINIA THAT MAYBE HAS ANY RULING OR ORDINANCE ABOUT BATTERY STORAGE?
>> WELL, DURING MY INTERIM PERIOD WITH SUSSEX COUNTY BACK IN 2020, I THINK I SPENT A YEAR THERE, WE HAD AN ENERGY STORAGE FACILITY COME THROUGH AND RECEIVED APPROVAL.
IT WAS CALLED THE SHANDS PROJECT, AND IT WAS A STANDALONE FACILITY.
I UNDERSTAND THEIR BUSINESS MODEL OR THE MODEL OF OPERATION WAS TO DRAW ENERGY OFF THE GRID AT NIGHT DURING THE LOWEST PERIODS OF USE STORE THAT ENERGY IN BATTERIES AND THEN RELEASE IT DURING THE DAY WHEN PEAK PERIODS WE'RE DEMANDING IT.
USUALLY PEAK IS OBVIOUSLY IN THE MORNINGS WHEN PEOPLE ARE FIRST GETTING UP AND IN THE EVENINGS WHEN THEY'RE GETTING HOME FROM SCHOOL OR WORK OR WHATEVER THEY'RE COMING HOME TO FROM.
MY RECOLLECTION IS WITHIN THEIR SOLAR ORDINANCE, I THINK THEY HAD A BATTERY STORAGE OR ENERGY STORAGE COMPONENT AS PART OF THAT.
BUT THAT'S A VAGUE RECOLLECTION.
I KNOW THAT PROJECT WAS APPROVED, AND I KNOW THEY'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEEN BUILT YET.
I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR ABOUT A MONTH AGO AS HE BROUGHT UP BECAUSE HE WAS BRAND NEW WHEN HE CAME IN TO WORK THERE WHEN I WAS THERE.
HE MENTIONED OFF HAND THAT HE HAD A MEETING WITH THEM SCHEDULED.
I SUSPECT THEY'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT HOW TO PROCEED ON THE PROJECT.
JUST A GENERAL COMMENT, YOU CERTAINLY HAVE A COMPONENT OF THIS ALREADY IN YOUR CODE, WHICH IS SOLAR ORDINANCE IN WHICH IT'S PRETTY COMMON PRACTICE TO HAVE THESE BATTERY STORAGE SYSTEMS AS ANCILLARY OR ACCESSORY PART OF THEIR OPERATIONS.
JUST BY T-STARTS, IF YOU WERE TO PROCEED ON WANTING TO CLARIFY IN THE CODE, THE DEFINITION OF ENERGY STORAGE OR BATTERY STORAGE FACILITIES, YOU COULD CERTAINLY TIED INTO YOUR SOLAR FACILITY ORDINANCE, WHICH IS A DESIRE, WHICH LIMITS YOUR LOCATIONAL REQUIREMENTS, I BELIEVE BY JUST M1.
I MAY BE WRONG ON THAT, BUT I BELIEVE M1 IS THE ONLY AREA THAT SOLAR CAN BE LOCATED.
AS YOU KNOW, THERE ARE OTHER PROVIDERS IN THAT SECTION OF THE CODE, THAT HAS TO BE A CERTAIN DISTANCE AWAY FROM ANY URBANIZED AREA AND SOME OTHER SETBACK AND OTHER LANDSCAPING AND OTHER REQUIREMENTS THAT FALL INTO PLAY, WHICH MAY WORK HAND IN HAND IF YOU'RE WANTING TO BE PROACTIVE AND ADDRESS BATTERY STORAGE AS A SEPARATE COMPONENT.
BUT AS UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF THE SOLAR ORDINANCE AND USING THAT DOCUMENT TO HELP YOU IN MAKING A DECISION IN THE FUTURE ON WHAT TO APPROVE AND NOT TO APPROVE.
I BELIEVE I HEARD A PREVIOUS COMMISSION MEMBER STATE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WOULD BE
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REQUIRED AND THAT WOULD BE UNDER THAT SAME UMBRELLA OF SOLAR PRODUCTION, ENERGY PRODUCTION OR ENERGY STORAGE, I BELIEVE, WHICH WOULD MAKE SENSE TO INCLUDE THAT AS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AGAIN, UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF THE SOLAR CODE.OR YOU COULD JUST COMPLETELY DEVELOP A SEPARATE CODE ALTOGETHER.
>> WELL, THANK YOU FOR ELABORATING ON THAT.
AGAIN, IF SUSSEX COUNTY, IF THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT WE KNOW OF, IS THERE ANY WAY OF FINDING OUT IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER OF THESE TYPE OF FACILITIES ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH? IF THERE WERE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW THEY HAVE IT WRITTEN UP IN THEIR CODE BOOK TO GIVE US A GUIDELINE IF WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK AND REFINE OUR ORDINANCE, WOULD THAT BE POSSIBLE THAT YOU COULD RESEARCH THAT A LITTLE BIT FOR US BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING?
I CAN ASK TO SEE WHAT THEIR KNOWLEDGE IS WITHIN THE BERKLEE GROUP COMPANY.
I KNOW BERKLEE HAS BEEN VERY INVOLVED IN WRITING CODES FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ACROSS ONLY THE STATE OF VIRGINIA, BUT IN OTHER PLACES FOR SOLAR, AS WELL AS ENERGY STORAGE FACILITIES, THEY CAN PROBABLY GIVE ME A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF WHO HAS SUCH A FACILITY OR SUCH FACILITIES WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTIONS THROUGHOUT THE STATE.
I'LL BE GLAD TO REACH OUT TO SOMEONE AND SEE WHAT I CAN FIND OUT.
>> VERY GOOD. IS THAT KIND OF A DIRECTION?
>> THE OTHER THINGS TO LOOK AT, WHAT BURDEN WOULD THIS BE ON FIRE AND RESCUE? THEY HAVE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT, AND ADDITIONAL TRAINING.
THAT'S ANOTHER CONSIDERATION YOU HAVE TO LOOK INTO.
>> SOMEWHERE THAT WAS SOME INFORMATION.
IT'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF THESE BATTERIES.
SOME MORE HARMFUL THAN OTHERS. YES [OVERLAPPING].
>> NORTH CAROLINA HAS A WHOLE LOT MORE SOLAR, IT LOOKS LIKE, TO ME THAN VIRGINIA.
I WOULD THINK IF THESE SOLAR FACILITIES ARE GETTING MORE AND MORE POPULAR DOWN THERE, THEY WOULD HAVE BATTERY STORAGE.
THAT'D BE A NICE, CLOSE PLACE TO GO LOOK IF THEY DID HAVE.
>> MR. KNUCKLES, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT MAYBE NORTH CAROLINA HAVING A HIGH DEVELOPMENT OF SOLAR, IT COULD BE THEY HAVE THE BATTERY STORAGE SYSTEMS THERE.
IT MIGHT BE ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE TO GET INFORMATION.
>> THANK YOU. YES. THAT'S ANOTHER PLACE I WAS GOING TO LOOK.
I WAS GOING TO LOOK ON THE LIST DOWN HERE AND SEE WHAT THEY MAY HAVE AND REACH OUT TO SOME PEOPLE I KNOW ALSO. THANK YOU FOR THAT, THOUGH.
>> I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO BE PROACTIVE LIKE WE ALWAYS HAVE BEEN IN THESE THINGS TO KEEP THIS ON THE AGENDA AND DON'T LET IT DROP.
>> JUST HAVE A LITTLE MORE TIME TO CONSUME IT AS WE GO FORWARD AND NOT HAVE TO FACE IT ALL OF A SUDDEN.
>> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT, IN FACT, THE DEFINITION OF ENERGY STORAGE VERSUS BATTERY STORAGE AND DEFINE ALL OF THAT IN GREAT DETAIL, AND ADDRESS BOTH OF IT, REALLY.
BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME HAZARDS THAT GO ALONG WITH THE BATTERY STORAGE FACILITY.
I'VE READ AN ARTICLE ON THAT AND I COULDN'T PUT MY HANDS ON IT BEFORE IT CAME.
BUT THERE'S A LOT MORE CONCERN THERE THAN JUST SOLO FACILITY.
>> MR. KNUCKLES HAS AGREED TO COMPILE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FOR US.
I THINK AT THIS POINT, WE JUST CONTINUE THAT TOPIC TO OUR NEXT MEETING AND WE ADDRESS IT.
WE JUST DEVOTE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME AS WE GO FORWARD UNTIL WE SEE WHICH DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO, HOW WE INCORPORATE IN OUR CODE.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE BATTERY STORAGE? WELL, KEEP UP WITH THE INFORMATION THAT MR. KNUCKLES SENT US, JUST KEEP THAT HANDY SO WE CAN BRING IT BACK IF YOU NEED TO REFER TO IT AGAIN.
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I'M SURE HE WENT THROUGH SOME TROUBLE TO COMPILE THAT FOR US, BUT IT WAS VERY INFORMATIVE.THAT'S ALL THE UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
ITEM NUMBER 6 IS NEW BUSINESS.
[VI. NEW BUSINESS]
ANYTHING NEW THAT NEEDS COME FOR US TONIGHT?>> I MIGHT MAKE THE ANNOUNCEMENT.
I WAS CONTACTED BY DRE RANDOLPH TODAY THAT MR. RANDOLPH IS SIGNING A CONTRACT TO BE OUR NEW PLANNING DIRECTOR.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER, MR. RANDOLPH, HE WAS HERE FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS.
ACTUALLY, THERE'S THREE OLD GUYS OF US HERE THAT WERE THERE THEN.
THE REST OF YOU ARE NEWER ADDITIONS.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT HE DID AN EXCELLENT JOB, AND I THINK WE WILL BE VERY HAPPY WITH HIM.
>> VERY GOOD. LOOKS LIKE PROBABLY MR. RANDOLPH COMING BACK TO MS. THANK YOU, DR. AMOS.
>> HAS MR. CHASSON BEEN REPLACED?
>> THAT HOPEFULLY WILL COME TO PASS THIS MONTH.
I DON'T KNOW. [INAUDIBLE] WANTS A JOB.
[LAUGHTER] I GUESS IT PAYS TOO HIGH [INAUDIBLE] THROUGH YOUR TAX REPORT.
HOPEFULLY, WE'LL HAVE SOMEBODY THIS MONTH.
>> VERY GOOD. ANY OTHER NEW BUSINESS?
>> ME AND MR. MAYAN HAVE A LOT OF ROOM OVER HERE.
WE'RE NOT USED TO ALL THE SPACE.
>> WE DON'T WANT TO GET SPOILED BY EITHER.
>> ANYTHING ELSE? THIS IS GOING TO BE ONE OF THE RECORDS.
>> I'LL TAKE IT. [LAUGHTER] SECOND. THANK YOU ALL.
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR ATTENDANCE TONIGHT.
WAIT, I GOT TO ADJOURN THE MEETING.
>> THANK YOU, MR. NOBLES. THANK YOU, MR. LUCAS FOR ATTENDING HERE TONIGHT. I APPRECIATE IT.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.