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>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO CALL IT.
[I. CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL]
THE MEETING TO ORDER AND LET'S BEGIN TONIGHT BY STANDING AND RECITING THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO OUR FLAG.>> I'M GOING TO ASK EVERYONE TO REMAIN STANDING AND WE'LL HAVE A SHORT INVITATION.
HERE, LORD, WE GATHER TONIGHT LO TO CONDUCT A BUSINESS OF SUMA COUNTY TONIGHT AS A PLANNING COMMISSION.
LORD THANKFUL FOR THE ONES THAT HAVE COME TO PART TAKING THIS MEETING TONIGHT AND BE THE ONES THAT ARE NOT HERE LOUD.
ESPECIALLY OUR NEW INTERIM, WHO'S GETTING OVER A SHORT TERM ILLNESS.
WE HOPE HE HAS A SPEEDY RECOVERY.
LORD BE WITH US AS WE MAKE DECISIONS TONIGHT OR TALK ABOUT ISSUES TONIGHT, THAT IT'LL BE INFORMATIVE INFORMATION, AND IT'LL BE PLEASING TO YOU IN OUR SERVICE TO THIS COUNTY.
THESE ARE ALL THINGS WE ASK YOUR SON'S NAME, JESUS CHRIST.
AGAIN, AGAIN, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WELCOMES.
THAT WAS IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT.
THIS IS OUR REGULAR AUGUST MEETING.
IT IS A WEEK LATER DUE TO THE FACT.
NORMALLY WE DON'T CONFLICT WITH THE CANTY FARE.
OF COURSE, WE KNOW ALL ABOUT THE WEATHER ISSUES AND THE DILEMMA THEY HAVE AND LET'S JUST HOPE THE FARE BOARD CAN GET THROUGH THIS SHORTFALL AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE A REALLY NICE FARE THIS COMING YEAR.
THEY CAN MAKE SOME SPEEDY REPAIRS AND, I'M SURE THAT WAS QUITE A SHOCK.
BUT THANKFULLY NOBODY WAS HURT AT THAT, SO WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THAT.
LIKE I MENTIONED IN THE INVOCATION, THE INTERIM COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PERSON IS NOT IN ATTENDANCE TO NIGHT, HE'S HE'S GETTING OVER A SUMMER COLD.
HE IS ON THE TELEPHONE RIGHT HERE, SO HE'S JOINING US BY TELEPHONE.
IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR HE HAS ANY COMMENTS.
WE CAN CERTAINLY LET HIM TAKE IN THIS MEETING.
MR. NUFLES, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT WITH US.
>> GOOD EVENING TO YOU, SIR. THAT BEING SAID, WE WILL CONTINUE ON THROUGH OUR AGENDA AND I SEE EVERYBODY IS HOLDING THE PACKETS, AND WE ARE VERY APPRECIATIVE TO MRS. BAKER FOR GETTING THOSE OUT ON A TIMELY MATTER.
WE'LL START OFF WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE LAST MEETING
[II. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE JUNE MEETING, CORRECT, IS THAT RIGHT IN JUNE.>> A PROPER MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED IN A PROPER SECOND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? ANY COMMENTS? IF NOT, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. IF THEY WILL SAY AYE.
[OVERLAPPING] APPROVED LIKE SIGN.
AND THEY ARE APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY AS PRESENTED.
>> MR. SAMAN, I GOT A QUESTION.
>> WE NEED TO VOTE ON WHETHER HAVING HIM DO OVER THE PHONE.
DO WE HAVE TO DO THAT ONE TIME IF.
>> THAT PROBABLY WOULD BE PROFIT, MR. MAY.
I I APPRECIATE THAT FOR THAT REMINDER.
>>AT THIS TIME, I WILL I WILL PRESENT A MOTION THAT WE ALLOW MR. KNUCKLES TO FOR TAKE THIS MEETING TONIGHT VIA THE TELEPHONE.
DO I HEAR A SECOND OF THAT MOTION?
>> HAVE A SECRETIVE MOTION. ANY DISCUSSION.
ALL IN FAVOR OF ALLOWING MR. UPPER TO PARTICIPATE, SAY AYE.
[OVERLAPPING] IS UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU, MR. MAY FOR THAT REMINDER.
WE'LL GET EVERYTHING LEGAL HERE AND MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S IN ORDER.
ITEM NUMBER 3 IS A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
I WILL OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD THIS TIME.
IF THERE'S ANYONE LIKE TO COME FORWARD THAT HAS ANY ISSUES OR ANY COMMENTS ABOUT ANYTHING GOING ON THE COUNTY.
YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME.
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LAST CALL. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. ITEM NUMBER 4.[IV. PUBLIC HEARING]
WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR TONIGHT, AND I'LL READ THROUGH THAT AS IT IS PRESENTED IN OUR AGENDA PACKET.THE REQUEST TONIGHT IS A ZONING MATH AMENDMENT FROM M1 INDUSTRIAL LIMITED TO B2.
BUSINESS DISTRICT TWO FOR APPROXIMATELY 2.5 ACRES OF A 22.8 ACRE TRACK ON GENERAL MAHONE BOULEVARD, THAT BEING US 460 NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF HARMAN DRIVE.
THE PROPERTY HAS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATION OF INDUSTRIAL.
SAD A REQUESTED ZONING DESIGNATION WILL REQUIRE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATION TO COMMERCIAL.
THE PLAN DESIGNATION FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN INDUSTRIAL SINCE THE 2001 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION IS DIRECTLY ACROSS ON 460, AND ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE 22.8 ACRE TRACT, THIS PARCEL IS PART OF MAKING AN AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN APPROPRIATE.
THE APPLICANT IS SPECIFICALLY REQUESTING THE 2.5 ACRE SECTION OF WOODED AREA ON THE NORTHWEST END OF THE PROPERTY TO BE DEVELOPED AS A FEED AND FARM SUPPLY STORE WITH A GREENHOUSE UNDER THE PROPOSED B2 ZONING CLASSIFICATION.
THIS CLASSIFICATION IS OUTLINED IN ARTICLE NINE, SECTION 18-22, PARAGRAPH 14 AND 19 UNDER B-2.
THE REMAINING 20.38 ACRES IS REMAINED M1.
WE HAVE A MAP IN THE APPLICATION.
IS EVERYONE FAMILIAR WITH THE LOCATION? I BE ADJACENT TO I FORGET THE NEW NAME.
IT'S TO FERTILIZER. I THINK IT'S NET FERTILIZER. THAT'S RIGHT.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, DO WE HAVE A COPY OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HERE, THE MAP.
>> MR. ALES, I DID NOT BRING I USED TO BRING A COPY, AND I DID NOT BRING IT TONIGHT.
I DON'T I DON'T SEE ONE ON THE TABLE, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ONE IN THE BACK OR NOT.
>> I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT THE MAP IS.
>> WELL, ACCORDING TO THE DESCRIPTION, PRESENTLY, IT IS ZONED FOR INDUSTRIAL.
I THINK I REMEMBER QUITE A WHILE AGO, I THINK I WAS SEVERAL ON THIS BOARD AT THE TIME.
I THINK MOST OF THAT LAND, PLEASE SOMEBODY CORRECT ME IF YOU REMEMBER, OR IF I'M WRONG, THE LAND BETWEEN 460 AND THE RAILROAD RIGHT AWAY OR THE RAILROAD? I THINK THAT SECTION WAS ZONED INDUSTRIAL OR PLAN FOR INDUSTRIAL AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
MR. MAY, I'M LOOKING A RAIN AND DOT DALES, I KNOW YOU WERE HERE.
DO YOU REMEMBER THAT THAT SECTION BEING PUT IN THE PLAN AS FUTURE I ONE USE? DO YOU REMEMBER THAT?
>> YOU KNOW, I HATE TO COMMIT TO MY MEMORY TO BE HONEST WITH?
>> I DON'T THINK WE CAN WE CAN OPERATE ON MEMORY.
WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS RIGHT, AND SO IT WON'T BE CHALLENGED, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THE PLAN.
I MEAN, IT WASN'T IN THE PACKET.
I FULLY EXPECTED THAT TO BE THERE.
>> MR. KNUCKLES, I'M GOING TO QUEUE IN TO YOU.
I'M SURE YOU HELPED TO PREPARE THE INFORMATION FOR OUR HEARING TONIGHT.
CAN YOU VERIFY THAT THAT THIS PARCEL IS LOCATED IN POTENTIAL I ONE IN THAT DISTRICT THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THIS CHANGE TO?
>> YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
IT IS AN M1 OR EXCUSE ME, FUTURE INDUSTRIAL CLASSIFICATION ON THE LAND USE MAP.
I'M LOOKING AT IT ON THE COMPUTER RIGHT NOW.
THE WAY THIS SHOULD PROCEED, IF YOU WANT MY ADVICE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITH THIS, THAT SINCE THERE WAS NOT A SEPARATE APPLICATION FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.
THE APPLICANT WILL NEED TO MAKE THAT MAKE THAT REQUEST.
THAT WILL HAVE TO GO BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT A FUTURE MEETING.
LOGISTICALLY, IT COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH
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THE SEPTEMBER MEETING AS BOTH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, EXCUSE ME, AMENDMENT AND CONCURRENTLY THE REZONING TO FALL AT THAT SAME MEETING.THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS SO DESIRED.
THAT WOULD BE THE STEPS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PROCEED THROUGH THIS.
>> THAT WOULD BE IN OUR SEPTEMBER MEETING?
>> MAY I MAKE ONE SUGGESTION AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS SOME OF US OUTSIDE BEFORE THE MEETING.
IT LOOKS A LITTLE ODD TO SPOT ZONE A LITTLE PIECE RIGHT HERE AND CHANGE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO DO IT RIGHT.
WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT WHOLE AREA.
THAT SEEMS THAT'S MORE APPLICABLE TO THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
BECAUSE OTHERWISE, IT'S GOT A LITTLE ODD.
WE TAKE 2.5 ACRES OUT AND PUT IT RIGHT THERE.
I MEAN, SPOT ZONING SOMETIMES IS OKAY, BUT MOST OF THE TIME IT'S NOT.
I THINK IF SOMEBODY COMES AND LOOKS AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SEES THIS LITTLE SPOT TAKEN OUT, THEY'RE GOT TO KIND OF WONDER WHAT'S GOING ON.
>> I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING TO HAVE THERE.
I THINK THAT WE JUST NEED TO DO IT RIGHT WAY.
>> MR. KNUCKLES, I'M GOING TO COME BACK TO YOU AGAIN, SIR.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE NEED TO POSTPONE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION TONIGHT UNTIL WE GET THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? WELL, THE REZONE ITSELF, IT'S A TWO STAGE PROCESS AND WE MISS THAT FIRST PHASE TONIGHT, IF WE POSTPONE THE MEETING OR ANY ACTION, WOULD IT HAVE TO BE RE-ADVERTISED?
>> NO. NOT IF YOU GO AHEAD AND PROCEED AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
YOU COULD CERTAINLY PROCEED AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEN YOU HAVE TWO OPTIONS WITH THAT.
AT THE END OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, YOU COULD EITHER TABLE OR EXCUSE ME, YOU COULD CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL THE SEPTEMBER MEETING OR YOU COULD CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THOSE WOULD BE YOUR OPTIONS FOR MOVING FORWARD TOWARDS SEPTEMBER.
BUT IF YOU DECIDE TO NOT PROCEED WITH A PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT, YES, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE RE ADVERTISED.
>> WELL, WE DON'T WANT TO PUT ANY OTHER FURTHER FINANCIAL BURDEN ON THE APPLICANT IS THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE.
WE MAY SINCE WE ADVERTISED WITH THE HEARING, AM I UNDERSTANDING YOU TO SAY THAT WE COULD PROCEED WITH THE HEARING TONIGHT, SINCE THAT WAS PROPERLY ADVERTISED, AND THEN WE JUST POSTPONE ANY ACTION UNTIL THE SEPTEMBER MEETING.
>> YOU CAN EITHER CONTINUE THE HEARING OR YOU CLOSE THE HEARING AND DEFER ANY ACTION UNTIL THE SEPTEMBER MEETING?
>> WE CAN TABLE IT UNTIL THE SEPTEMBER MEETING, ONLY NEEDS A MOTION TO DO THAT.
BUT I WONDER ALSO, IF THE APPLICANT BE WORRIED BE WILLING FOR THAT MEETING TO HAVE ALL THIS AREA PUT IN CHANGED.
TO WHAT THAT AREA, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, IT LOOKS A LITTLE ODD HERE IN THE MIDDLE OF M1 TO STICK ANOTHER SPOT ZONING IN THERE, AND I THINK THE PROJECT IS GOOD.
I THINK THAT'S THE STUFF MAYBE WE WANT TO GO IN THERE, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO START SPOT ZONING THINGS, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING THE RIGHT WAY.
>> MR. KNUCKLES, IF WE WOULD CONVEY, ARE YOU HEARING DOCTOR EDWARDS HIS COMMENT?
>> IF WE WOULD CONVEY THAT TO THE APPLICANT, DOES THAT MEAN IT WOULD HAVE TO BE RE ADVERTISED?
>> WE WOULD CERTAINLY ADVERTISE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.
THE APPLICANT WOULD NEED TO MAKE THAT APPLICATION TO DO THAT.
IT'S ALL THE APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS FOR SOUTH HAMPTON COUNTY THAT IF YOU'RE DOING A MP AMENDMENT THAT REQUIRES A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, THE APPLICANT OR THE PERSON WILLING TO HAVE THAT DONE WILL ALSO DO THAT.
THERE WOULD BE AN ADVERTISEMENT FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT ALSO AS PART OF THE PROCESS.
IF YOU DECIDE TO NOT HOLD A HEARING TONIGHT, CERTAINLY,
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I THINK IN MY OPINION, THERE'S PROBABLY AN OBLIGATION FOR THE COUNTY TO ABSORB THAT COST TO RE ADVERTISE FOR THE REZONING.THAT'S JUST AN OPINION, OF COURSE.
BUT THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE TO COVER THE COST THROUGH THE APPLICATION FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO THE APPLICATION FOR NEXT MONTH ALSO WHICH IS A SEPARATE APPLICATION.
>> YES, SIR. THAT WOULD BE PROPER AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE PROPER TO ADVERTISE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE.
AND THAT WILL CLARIFY ANY OTHER ISSUES SO FAR AS THE POTENTIAL SPOT ZONING.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WELL, MR. MANN HAS A QUESTION.
>> I THINK THE QUESTION WAS, THOUGH, IF WE CHANGE IT SO THAT INSTEAD OF BEING 2.5 ACRES THAT WE DO THE WHOLE 22.8 ACRES OF B2, WELL, THEN WOULD THAT REQUIRE A RE ADVERTISEMENT BECAUSE WE'RE MAKING THE AREA BIGGER INSTEAD OF SMALLER?
>> YES. WOULD THAT BE IF THAT'S THE CASE.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT REZONING NOT THE 2.5, BUT THE ENTIRE 22 ACRE TRACT, YES, THAT WOULD ALSO REQUIRE A NEW PUBLIC HEARING.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT WOULD PRECLUDE YOU FROM DOING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT FOR THE 22 ACRE FOR THE LARGER TRACK, WHICH IS PART OF THE 2.5, AND THEN JUST DO THE REZONING FOR THE 2.5, IF SO DESIRED.
BUT IF YOU DECIDE TO WANT TO REZONE THE ENTIRE TRACK, YES, YOU WOULD HAVE THREE ADVERTISE.
WELL, ONCE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS CHANGED THAT IS GOING TO SIT THERE UNTIL SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT SOMETHING ELSE LIKE THAT THERE.
I WOULDN'T DEFINITELY HAVE TO REZONE THE WHOLE THING THERE AND BE ON A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THAT THAT DEVELOPMENT CAN GO THERE.
DO WE WANT TO LIMIT OURSELVES BY ZONING THE ENTIRE THING B2 AND LEAVING THE REST OF IT IN ONE TO WHERE ANOTHER USE COULD GO IN NEXT TO IT?
>> IT'S A SIZABLE PORTION OF TIBET TO DO IT AND ACROSS THE STREET, YOU HAVE A BUSINESS WALKERS OUTDOOR POWER EQUIPMENT.
IT WOULD BE A BUSINESS NOT INDUSTRIAL.
MY THING IS, WHY WOULD WE WANT TO DO THE WHOLE THING AND LIMIT IF HE'S A LANDOWNER THAT HE'S TRYING TO SUBDIVIDE IT FOR ANOTHER BUSINESS TO GO IN LATER AND WE'VE CHANGED IT TO SOMETHING THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE COMPATIBLE.
WE'RE JUST LEAVING IT THE WAY IT IS AND JUST ZONE HIS COMMERCIAL PIECE THAT HE'S DEVELOPING.
>> BECAUSE ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ALREADY IS ZONE M1, WHICH IS COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL.
>> I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE OUTLOOK WAS.
>> I UNDERSTAND WHERE DR. EVANS IS COMING FROM SPOT, BUT THE WHOLE AREA IS EITHER GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL.
IT'S NOT LIKE SOMEBODY'S GOING TO PUT A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD THERE.
>> WELL, WHY DON'T WE JUST DON'T GO AHEAD AND MAKE IT COMMERCIAL THEN SO THAT IT AGREES WITH THIS? INSTEAD OF SPOT ZONING IN THE FULL SPOT RIGHT HERE IN THE MIDDLE OF M1.
>> I THINK THERE NEEDS WOULD BE A CONVERSATION WITH THE OWNER.
>> THAT'S ANOTHER THING TOO; HE'S BEEN WAITING.
WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING, IF HE COMES BACK IN SEPTEMBER AND HE DOESN'T TALK ABOUT HIS PLAN AND EVERYTHING AND THEN THERE'S MORE QUESTIONS OR MORE THINGS, THEN THAT'S GOING TO DELAY IT ANOTHER MONTH FOR HIM TO BE ABLE TO PRODUCE WHAT HE WANTS.
IS IT OKAY TO OPEN IT UP, LET HIM COME UP, EXPLAIN WHAT HE WANTS TO DO, AND IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS, WE CAN GET HIM TO PUT ALL THE ANSWERS AND EVERYTHING INTO HIS PACKET FOR SEPTEMBER?
>> WE CAN OPEN IT HEARING, JUST NOT CLOSE TONIGHT.
>> WE'LL GET THE LANDOWNER TO COME UP, GET HIM TO EXPLAIN, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM, MAYBE HE CAN ANSWER A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE GOING BACK AND FORTH ABOUT WITH HIS FUTURE USE FOR THE LAND.
>> THEN HE CAN COME BACK IN SEPTEMBER WITH ALL THE ANSWERS AND ALL THE PAPERWORK.
IT'S A ONE SHOT DEAL FOR HIM TO GO INSTEAD OF IT JUST DELAYING MONTH AFTER MONTH AFTER MONTH.
>> MR. KNUCKLES, ARE YOU HEARING MR. TURNER'S COMMENTS?
>> I THINK THAT'S PERFECTLY SENSIBLE TO ME.
>> THE LANDOWNER IS PRESENT, CORRECT?
>> YES. THE LAND OWNER IS PRESENT, THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT, SO WE FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD LET HIM COME FORWARD.
WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING IS WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEN THERE WILL BE A CONTINUANCE.
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>> WE'LL JUST CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL SEPTEMBER. CORRECT.
>> TABLE IT UNTIL SEPTEMBER, WHATEVER TERM YOU WANT TO USE.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THE PROPERTY OWNER DID INDICATE WHAT HE WAS PLANNING TO DO WITH THE REMAINING 20.5 ACRES THAT'S ZONED M1.
HE ALREADY HAS A PLAN FOR THAT.
>> I'M NOT SURE IF HE WANTS TO HAVE A BUSINESS THERE OR IF HE WANTS ANYTHING THAT COME INTO M1 TO COME NEXT TO HIM.
>> HE'S INDICATING IT'S M1 USED AS A REFRIGERATED WAREHOUSE TRUCK TERMINAL.
>> IF WE CHANGE HIS ZONING, THEN IT'S GOING TO MESS UP WHAT HIS PLANS ARE FOR THE WHOLE PARCEL.
>> LET'S FIND OUT WITH HIS PLANS ARE?
>> JUST LET HIM COME AND GIVE IT TO US.
WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AT THIS TIME, I'M OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD.
YES, SIR, WE'LL LET YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD.
>> YES. MY NAME IS STEVE PADEN [PHONETIC].
I OWN THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
>> I THINK YOU'VE HEARD THE CONVERSATION.
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE RESIDUAL? CAN WE APPROACH THAT ON THE OTHER ACREAGE?
>> OUR ORIGINAL PLAN WAS TO PUT A PRODUCE TERMINAL THERE, WHICH WOULD BE A PLACE FOR FRESH PRODUCE, A REFRIGERATED WAREHOUSE.
IT'LL BE MOSTLY CROSS DOCK, IN AND OUT TYPE OF THING.
AFTER GOING THROUGH IT AND LOOKING AT IT, I'M NOT SURE THE PROPERTY IS BIG ENOUGH FOR THAT, SO WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT OTHER PROPERTIES TOO.
I OWN A COLD STORAGE IN NORFOLK ALSO.
THAT'S ABOUT 100,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY.
NOW WE'RE THINKING ABOUT MAYBE INSTEAD OF PUTTING THE PRODUCE TERMINAL THERE, MAYBE PUT ANOTHER REFRIGERATED WAREHOUSE THERE IN ADDITION TO THE ONE THAT WE HAVE IN NORFOLK TO GIVE US A PLACE THERE.
IT DOESN'T REQUIRE AS MUCH ACREAGE.
THE PRODUCE TERMINAL, THAT'S GOING TO TAKE SOMEWHERE AROUND 35, 40 ACRES, WHERE THE COLD STORAGE, THE ONE I HAVE IN NORFOLK, IS ON EIGHT ACRES, SO THAT'S PLENTY GOOD ENOUGH.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD REALLY AFFECT THE STORE MUCH.
THE WOODED AREA THAT'S AT THAT END OF THE PROPERTY IS ABOUT SIX ACRES.
WE'RE JUST WANTING TO RE-ZONE THE TWO-AND-A-HALF ACRES THAT'S MORE FLAT UP ON THE FAR END OF IT, SO THERE WILL BE A BIG WOODED SECTION BETWEEN THAT AND THE INDUSTRIAL AREA WHERE THE WAREHOUSE WOULD GO.
THE WAREHOUSE, THAT WOULD BE FENCED OFF.
IT WOULD BE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BUILDING, DIFFERENT ENTRYWAYS, AND EVERYTHING.
WE'VE ALREADY DONE STUDIES WITH VDOT FOR THE TRAFFIC STUDIES AND SO FORTH, AND THEY WOULD HAVE SEPARATE ENTRANCES AND BE COMPLETELY SEPARATED FROM THEM.
THE FEED STORE, IT'LL BE SIMILAR TO A SOUTHERN STATES OR A TRACTOR SUPPLY.
IT'D BE MORE GEARED TOWARDS FARMING, MORE GEARED TOWARDS LIVESTOCK FEED AND THAT KIND OF THING THAN THOSE ARE.
WE WON'T BE SELLING CLOTHING AND LAWN ORNAMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT'S GOING TO BE BASICALLY A FEED STORE AND FARM SUPPLIES.
>> IT'S SIMILAR TO A TRACTOR SUPPLY.
>> SIMILAR TO A TRACTOR SUPPLY, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT THEY HAVE THAT WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T SELL.
>> THEN I DON'T THINK THAT WE'D WOULD WANT SOMETHING IN M1 TO BE ON ONE SIDE OF IT.
>> WELL, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T THINK IT WILL MATTER, BUT AT THIS POINT, I DON'T HAVE DEFINITE PLANS FOR THAT PROPERTY.
I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT WITH IT.
IF WE HAVE TO REZONE THE WHOLE THING COMMERCIAL, I'LL JUST PUT SOMETHING COMMERCIAL INSTEAD.
>> CHANGE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SO THAT WE COULD FIT THIS IN SAYS, THIS IS COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT YOU WANT WITH THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
>> REZONING WOULD BECOME PRETTY AUTOMATIC AFTER THAT.
>> YEAH. WELL, ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I THINK THAT ENTIRE AREA IS SHOWING AS INDUSTRIAL, BUT THERE'S NOTHING INDUSTRIAL THERE.
THERE ISN'T ANYTHING INDUSTRIAL IN THE WHOLE AREA.
IT'S ALL AGRICULTURAL BASICALLY.
>> IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO REZONE IT COMMERCIAL.
IF THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE THING TO BE THERE.
I AGREE TO CHANGE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO COMMERCIAL.
>> THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET, AS THIS GENTLEMAN SAID, IS COMMERCIAL.
I'VE MET WITH THEM. I'VE ALSO MET WITH NUTRIENT.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE COMPETING WITH THEM IN ANY WAY, BUT WE DO HAVE A LOT OF THE SAME CUSTOMERS.
A LOT OF THE CUSTOMERS WHO ARE GOING TO BE COMING TO US ARE ALSO GOING TO BE GOING TO THEM.
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THEY LIKE THE IDEA. THEY THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO HELP THEM WITH THEIR BUSINESS AS WELL.ON THE OTHER END OF THE PROPERTY, IT IS COMMERCIAL ALL THE WAY UP INTO IVOR.
I THINK THERE'S A GAS STATION DOWN THERE, AND THERE'S SOME SELF STORAGE, THAT TYPE OF THING.
AT THIS POINT, I'M PRETTY OPEN WITH WHAT I CAN DO WITH THE REST OF THE PROPERTY BECAUSE I CAN'T BUILD THE PRODUCE TERMINAL THAT I WANTED TO BUILD, SO AT THIS POINT, IT'S KIND OF UP IN THE AIR, BUT I DO PLAN TO DEVELOP IT, AT LEAST DO SOMETHING WITH IT.
I'D EVEN THOUGHT EVEN SHORT-TERM, ONCE I GET THE FEED STORE BUILT, THAT'S ALL AGRICULTURAL LAND ABOUT MAYBE PLANTING IT IN ALFALFA OR SOMETHING TO BALE THE HAY AND SELL IT AT THE FEED STORE.
THE AGRICULTURE, I BELIEVE, IS ALLOWED ANY OF THE ZONES PRETTY MUCH.
>> I THINK THAT END OF THE COUNTY NEEDS SOMETHING LIKE THAT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
>> THE NEAREST TRACTOR SUPPLY IS 35 MILES AWAY IN ANY DIRECTION, SO THERE'S NO FEED STORES THERE, AND TRACTOR SUPPLY HAS NO COMPETITION.
>> I AGREE. THAT'S WHY I THINK WE NEED TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY SO THAT IT CAN'T BE CHALLENGED.
>> I GUESS WE WERE A LITTLE BIT SKEPTICAL, BUT YOU MADE IT PRETTY CLEAR THAT YOU OWN IT ALL, AND YOU WANT TO DEVELOP IT ALL.
YOU HAVE A SENSE OF WHAT YOU WANT TO DO THERE.
SOMETIMES THE LAND ON THE SELLS TO SOMEONE ELSE AND SOMETHING TOTALLY OUT OF THE NORMAL COMES INTO BEING, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO DECIDE, IS THE WAREHOUSE OR THE FARMER'S MARKET TYPE SOLUTION WOULD BE MORE SUITABLE.
>> US CHANGING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO ALL COMMERCIAL IS NOT GOING TO MESS YOUR PLAN?
>> NO, I DON'T THINK IT'LL MESS US UP.
I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THAT COMMERCIAL ZONING TO SEE WHAT ALL IS ALLOWED.
>> SELF STORAGE, HOW IS THAT ZONED?
>> I'M LOOKING AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
>> YEAH SHE'S GOT TO PULLED UP RIGHT HERE.
COMPREHENSIVE I PULLED IT UP, AND IT'S M 1.
>> IT'S M1 ALL THE WAY BACK, EXCEPT FOR LITTLE PARCELS.
YOU SEE A LITTLE DIFFERENT SHADE WHERE THE GAS STATION AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS, BUT EVERYTHING BEHIND THE GAS STATION IS STILL INDUSTRIAL.
>> BOTH SIDES OF HOLMAN ROAD ARE M1.
>> WHAT IS THE NEXT DOOR WALKER'S SMALL ENGINE. WHAT DO THEY DO?
>> WHAT DO THEY THINK? ARE THEY M1?
>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING IF YOU WANTED TO STAY WITH B2 OR B3 BECAUSE IT WOULD OPEN UP YOU OPTIONS TO STAY IN THAT COMMERCIAL REALM, BUT IT GIVES YOU MORE FLEXIBILITY WITH WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH THE REMAINDER.
>> WE DON'T CHOOSE [INAUDIBLE] FOR LATER.
>> THAT WAS MY CONCERN EARLIER WHEN WE WERE DOING THE WHOLE SPOT THING, IF YOU HAD SOMETHING THAT YOU WANTED TO DO WITH THE REMAINDER.
>> WOULD THE FEED AND FARM SUPPLY STORE FIT INTO B3 AS WELL?
>> IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, YOU HAVE TO ASK MR. KNUCKLES ABOUT THAT, BUT I THINK B3 ALLOWS OUTSIDE STORAGE WHERE IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE UNDERCOVER IF THAT'S THE WAY I REMEMBER READING THE ORDINANCE.
>> I THINK ALSO, TO HELP YOU OUT COME TO THIS NEXT MONTH, IS YOU WOULD MAKE THIS A CONDITIONED REZONING, WHICH MEANS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO WHAT YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO DO TONIGHT, WHICH I BELIEVE YOU WILL.
THAT WOULD TAKE AWAY, I THINK, ANY OPPOSITION TO ANYTHING ELSE IN THAT ZONING THAT SOMEBODY ELSE WOULDN'T LIKE.
>> YOU WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED LIMIT TO ONE USE. YOU'D HAVE MULTIPLE.
THERE'S A WHOLE LIST OF POSSIBLE USES IN THAT ZONING.
IF YOU KNOW YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO CERTAIN ONES, THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
THERE HAVE BEEN INSTANCES IN THE PAST, WE GOT SURPRISED WITH WHAT WAS ALLOWED BECAUSE IT WAS NOT EXEMPTED, PUT IT THAT WAY, BUT LIKE I SAID, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE INTO NEXT MONTH.
>> I UNDERSTAND IF YOU DID A CONDITION ZONING, YOU'RE GOING TO SAY, I'M GOING TO DO JUST WHAT I SAID HERE TONIGHT, AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING TO HAVE, THAT ALL THE OTHER 45 THINGS THAT ARE LISTED THAT ZONE, IF SOMEBODY OBJECTS TO THOSE OTHERS AND SAY, WELL, I DON'T LIKE THAT BECAUSE HE MIGHT DO NUMBER 14 OR NUMBER 15,
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THIS WOULD CLEAR AN EASIER PATH, I THINK.>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE REMAINING ACREAGE ABOUT HAVING A PLAN FOR THAT?
>> WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE REMAINING ACREAGE.
>> WHILE DR. EVANS IS THINKING, YOUR FEED STORE, ARE YOU GOING TO GRIND FEED THERE?
>> SO IT'LL ALL BE PREPACKAGED?
>> IT'S GOING TO BE PREPACKAGED BAG FOOD FROM PURINA AND KENT AND A FEW OTHER VENDORS, PEOPLE LIKE THAT.
>> FEED MEAL WILL CREATE DUST OR WHATEVER.
>> NO, IT'S NOT A FEED MEAL. NO.
>> IF HE DECIDES TO SWITCH TO B3, ARE THERE ANY RAMIFICATIONS? DOES HE HAVE TO REFILE TO ANY OTHER REPORTS?
>> ALSO LET'S FIND OUT FROM THE AUTHORITY.
MR. KNUCKLES, IF WE DECIDE TO LOOK AT THE B3 ZONING FOR THOSE RESIDUAL ACRES, WOULD THAT REQUIRE ANOTHER NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC?
>> TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'D PROBABLY HAVE TO CONSULT WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY ON THAT.
MY EXPERIENCE IN THE PAST, TYPICALLY, STATES THAT IF IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE IN THE APPLICATION FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING TO THE ACTUAL ACTIONS OF THE COMMISSION AS FAR AS LAND USE IS CONCERNED, TYPICALLY, A PUBLIC HEARING WOULD HAVE HAD TO TAKE PLACE TO DISCUSS THOSE LAND USES ALSO.
POTENTIALLY B3, AND AGAIN, I'M SPECULATING HERE, IT HAS A BROADER ARRAY OF LAND USES THAT WEREN'T ORIGINALLY ADVERTISED ON THE B2 ZONING.
YOU PROBABLY, AND I WOULD EXERCISE CAUTION IN NOT PROCEEDING WITHOUT A PUBLIC HEARING IN THAT CASE, BUT I'D HAVE TO, AGAIN, CONSULT WITH OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, AND QUITE FRANKLY, [INAUDIBLE] UP ON YOUR CODE IN THAT SECTION TO MAKE SURE THAT'S THE CASE.
I'M SORRY I CAN'T GIVE YOU A CLEAR ANSWER, BUT THAT'S THE BEST I CAN DO FOR NOW.
>> I THINK YOU'VE ANSWERED OUR QUESTION.
YES, SIR. WELL, I LIKE YOUR CONCEPT.
I THINK A FEED AND SEED STORE, RETAIL STORE WOULD BE AN ASSET TO THE AREA.
WE HAVE BEEN REALLY CAUTIONED IN THE PAST ABOUT THE SO-CALLED SPOT ZONE.
DO YOU THINK YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO CONSULT AGAIN IN BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING WITH MR. KNUCKLES?
>> MAYBE HE'S AWARE OF THE SITUATION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND MAYBE HE WILL CONVEY YOU THOSE OTHER USES.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN FRONT OF ME TONIGHT, BUT I KNOW A LOT OF IT, YOU WOULD NEVER CONSIDER TO BEGIN WITH, BUT YOU DON'T LIMIT YOURSELF TO JUST ONE.
YOU CAN PICK OUT SEVERAL PARTICULAR USES, BUT THE ONES YOU KNOW YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO, IF WE CAN TAKE THOSE OUT, THAT WAY IF ANOTHER PERSON BUILDS NEXT TO YOU, IT WON'T BE AN ISSUE THAT WE'VE ALLOWED SOMETHING TO COME THERE THAT MAYBE WOULD NOT BE DESIRABLE, BUT I THINK HE'LL EXPLAIN THAT.
I THINK WE'VE GOT SOMETHING THAT WILL WORK FOR ALL OF US, FOR THE COUNTY AND YOURSELF.
IF THAT WOULD BE PRESENTABLE TO YOU.
IS THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR MR. PADEN? I'M SORRY.
I'M SORRY, WE DIDN'T CLACK AT ALL THE INFORMATION SQUARED AWAY, BUT WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND THE SEPTEMBER MEETING.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION?
>> WHEN YOU SUBMITTED THIS PROPOSAL, I GUESS, WITH THE COUNTY, WAS IT WITH MS. LEWIS AT THE TIME OR WAS IT WITH MR. KNUCKLES?
>> WITH MR. KNUCKLES. I HAD SPOKE TO MS. LEWIS BEFORE A YEAR AGO.
>> THEY'RE THE ONES THAT DIRECTED YOU TO REZONE IT TO B2 TO BE ABLE TO FIT YOUR NEEDS FOR THE FEED AND SEED STORE?
>> WELL, WHAT SHE HAD ORIGINALLY TOLD US IS IF WE BUILT THE COLD STORAGE BUILDING FIRST, THEN WE COULD ADD THAT AS AN ACCESSORY BUSINESS OR SOMETHING, BUT WE DECIDED TO DO IT AS
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A REZONING BECAUSE IT'S REALLY NOT A ACCESSORY BUSINESS TO THE ORIGINAL, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT REALLY.>> JUST MORE CURIOUS AS FAR AS HOW YOU GOT TO THAT POINT.
>> WE HAD STARTED WITH HER AND THEN, I THINK, SHE RETIRED.
>> I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN WORK OUT VERY EASILY.
>> WE JUST NEED TO WORK DETAILS AT THAT, I THINK I'M EXCITED FOR YOU.
>> LET'S WORK OUT THAT DETAIL AND MAKE SURE TO ADVERTISE, MAKE SURE IN OUR LEGAL REALMS, EVEN IF WE HAVE TO RE-ADVERTISE AGAIN.
DO YOU THINK YOU'D BE ABLE TO COME BACK IN SEPTEMBER?
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. PADEN? NO OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
>> HAVE YOU GOT A DEADLINE ON THIS TWO-AND-A-HALF ACRES?
>> NOTHING'S REALLY PUSHING PERSON?
>> NO. I HAVE SEVERAL OTHER BUSINESSES THAT OPERATE ALL THE TIME, SO PRETTY BUSY.
>> IF FOR SOME REASON YOU COME BACK AND YOU'RE GOING TO PUT THE COLD STORAGE THERE, THAT'S NOT WITH PRODUCE.
NOW, THE COLD STORAGE THAT YOU HAVE, WHAT DOES THAT ENTAIL?
>> THAT WOULD PRETTY MUCH HAVE TO BE M1, I BELIEVE.
CURRENTLY, WHAT WE ARE IN NORFOLK IS I2, INDUSTRIAL 2 FOR COLD STORAGE.
IT'S BRINGING CONTAINERS FROM THE PORT, DROPPING OFF THE CONTAINERS, STORING THEM THERE TEMPORARILY, UNLOADING THE PRODUCTS, STORING IT, AND THEN LOADING TRUCKS OUT.
IT'S A LOT OF TRUCK TRAFFIC IN AND OUT, A LOT OF CONTAINERS IN AND OUT.
>> THAT'S WHY A CONDITION REZONING APPLICATION WOULD TAKE ALL THAT QUESTION AWAY.
>> THAT'S WHAT WE DO THERE. I ALSO HAVE A TRUCKING DRAINAGE BUSINESS THAT WE HAVE SEVERAL TRUCKS AND WE HAUL CONTAINERS BACK AND FORTH FROM THE PORT.
I THOUGHT ABOUT MAYBE PUTTING THAT THERE.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE OPERATING OUT OF OUR SAME PLACE IN NORFOLK, THAT BUSINESS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A SHOP AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF THAT HAS TO BE IN INDUSTRIAL AS WELL.
>> WELL IN MY MIND, WITH COLD STORAGE FOR THIS AREA, A LOT OF IT, MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE USING COLD STORAGE IS THE PEANUT INDUSTRY.
WHILE IN YOUR CASE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT CONTAINERS.
>> THIS WOULD BE MOSTLY IMPORTED SEAFOOD, AND THEN ALSO EXPORTS.
>> SOMETIMES THAT STUFF'S GOT TO COME IN, BE TAKEN OFF THE TRUCK AND BE IN SECURE.
BECAUSE IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WHEN IT COMES TO A TRUCK, IF THAT TEMPERATURE DROPS CERTAIN AMOUNT, THEN THEY JUST THROW THE WHOLE CONTAINER AWAY.
>> YEAH. IT STAYS FROZEN ALL THROUGHOUT FROM THE TIME IT LEAVES OVERSEAS TO THE TIME IT GETS HERE AND INTO THE WAREHOUSE.
PART OF THE WAREHOUSE WOULD BE AT 10 BELOW ZERO, AND PART OF IT WOULD BE AT 32 DEGREES, BUT IT WOULD ALL BE FULL OF PALETTES AND RACKING AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PROBABLY 40 FEET HIGH.
IT'S A PRETTY GOOD SIZED FACILITY.
>> THAT WAS A CURIOSITY QUESTION FROM ME.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, SIR.
LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU SEPTEMBER.
>> WILL YOU NEED A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS PUBLIC HEARING?
>> WELL, WE'LL SEE IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SPEAK.
DOES ANYONE ELSE PARTICIPATE IN THE PUBLIC HEARING?
>> I'M NOT GOING TO CLOSE IT. I JUST WANT TO DO DUE DILIGENCE.
GO AHEAD, MR. MAYEN [PHONETIC].
>> DO YOU NEED A MOTION THAT WE CONTINUE THIS PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL SEPTEMBER?
>> I HAVE A MOTION. I'LL PROBABLY MAKE A PROPER SECOND THAT WE CONTINUE THE MEETING UNTIL SEPTEMBER. CONTINUE THE HEARING.
>> THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL SEPTEMBER.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL IN FAVOR.
>> IS THAT THAT GOING TO FIT IN YOUR PLAN, MR. NICHOLS?
>> NO. I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY THE STAFF COULDN'T ACCOMPLISH THIS.
I HATE EVEN SPEAK TO MY TENURE WITH SOUTHAMPTON AND MAYBE JUST INTERIM, BUT IF THE COUNTY IS SUCCESSFUL IN HIRING SOMEBODY IN AN INTERVENING PERIOD, I'M GOING TO WORK WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE TRANSITION STYLE.
>> THIS WILL BE ONE OF THOSE TRANSITION ITEMS.
>> I THINK THIS IS JUST A TECHNICALITY.
THEN WE GO OVER THOSE LIST OF CONDITIONS, NARROW THAT DOWN SOMEWHAT, AND I THINK THEN, WE'LL BE MORE RECEPTIVE TO THIS IDEA.
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>> I THINK IF THE APPLICANT GOES OVER ARTICLE 9 IN THE ZONING CODE, WHICH IS THE V2 DISTRICT SIMPLY WALKS THROUGH WHAT [INAUDIBLE], HE FEELS COMFORTABLE IN STRIKING OUT AND SUBMITTING THAT AS AN ADDENDUM TO HIS ORIGINAL APPLICATION, WE CAN PROBABLY PROCEED AT THAT STAGE FOR THE REZONING ITSELF.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CONTINUE THE MEETING.
>> CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> CONTINUE TO PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU, MR. MAYEN.
WE NEED TO PROCEED WITH THE VOTE ON THAT. ALL IN FAVOR.
>> IT IS UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU-ALL FOR THAT.
MR. BADEN, WE'LL SEE YOU IN SEPTEMBER. I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.
NOW, WE GOOD AT TO ITEM NUMBER 5, UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
[V. UNFINISHED BUSINESS]
I HAVE ONE COMMENT WHY YOU-ALL ARE THINKING IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE MISSED.IF YOU REMEMBER, THE LAST MEETING, AND I'VE TALKED TO MR. KNUCKLES ABOUT THIS PHONE CALL AND I THINK I MISSED THE LAST MEETING.
I GOT A PHONE CALL FROM A PERSON WITH SIGNAL RENEWAL THAT WAS INTERESTED IN A POSSIBLE BATTERY STORAGE FACILITY IN THE COUNTY.
WELL, SINCE WE'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION, HE'S CALLED ME BACK AND THAT REQUEST OR CONCERN WAS CANCELED.
HE SAID DUE TO SOME CONVERSATION WITH DOMINION, THAT THAT PARTICULAR REQUEST GOT NULL AND VOID, AND I'VE CONVEYED THAT TO MR. KNUCKLES.
I HAD INVITED THAT PERSON TO COME TO GIVE US SOME INFORMATION BECAUSE I'M NOT REALLY UP TO PER ON BATTERY STORAGE, THE PROS AND CONS AND THE CONCERNS TO GO ALONG, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT SUBJECT.
I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED LAST MEETING THAT IF YOU-ALL COULD RESEARCH THAT A LITTLE BIT, AND I ACTUALLY CONVEYED TO MR. KNUCKLES IF HE HAD OR COULD GET ANY INFORMATION TO US.
MR. KNUCKLES, WHEN WE SPOKE ON THE PHONE LAST, OF COURSE, I THINK YOU WERE PLANNING ON BEING AT THE MEETING TONIGHT, BUT WERE YOU ABLE TO COME UP WITH ANY INFORMATION ABOUT BATTERY STORAGE FACILITIES?
>> WELL, GENERALLY, BATTERY STORAGE FACILITIES, AT LEAST IN MY SMALL EXPERIENCE WITH THEM, AND I DID HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE WHEN I WAS INTERIM IN SUSSEX COUNTY BACK IN 2020 AND '21, TYPICALLY ARE SYSTEMS THAT USE A LITHIUM TYPE BATTERY, AND USUALLY, THEY'RE BUNDLES AND CONEX CONTAINERS.
TYPICALLY, THEY ARE A CONEX-SIZED CONTAINER TYPE YOU SEE TRUCKING DOWN THE HIGHWAY SITTING ON SITE.
I THINK IN SUSSEX, THEY HAD ABOUT 20 OF THOSE CONTAINERS OR TYPE BUILDINGS.
THEY'RE ALL CLIMATE CONTROLLED.
THEY ALL TYPICALLY HAVE A HALON TYPE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF SUPPRESSION SYSTEM AS GOOD AS A SUPPRESSION SYSTEM CAN BE FOR BATTERIES, AND THAT'S WHERE THE RUB IS, BATTERIES ARE DIFFICULT TO PUT OUT IF THEY DO CATCH FIRE, ALTHOUGH I UNDERSTAND THAT'S PRETTY RARE.
TYPICALLY, WHAT I UNDERSTAND UNLESS THEY WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH A SOLAR OR WIND GENERATION SITE, TYPICALLY, THEY DRAW POWER OFF THE PRIMARY GRID AND STORE THAT POWER AND RELEASE THAT POWER DURING PEAK DEMAND PERIODS WHEN IT'S NEEDED AT SOME POINT OR FOR SOME REASON, THERE'S A LOSS OF POWER GENERATION SOMEWHERE ELSE OR THE PRIMARY SOURCE IS USED AS AS A BACKUP TO SUPPLEMENT THAT LOSS.
IN SUSSEX COUNTY, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT PROJECT EVER PROCEEDED OR NOT, BUT THEY WENT THROUGH A SERIES OF ZONING REQUEST WITH PROFFERS.
WITH THE PROFFERS, I THINK THEY PROFFERED UP EITHER CASH OR OTHER TYPE OF CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE COUNTY TO ASSIST WITH THE FIRE SUPPRESSION OR FIRE DEPARTMENT ROLES,
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AS WELL AS SOME OTHER ITEMS, BUT THAT'S THE EXTENT THAT I UNDERSTAND OR THAT I REMEMBER.>> I DID. YOU WERE TELLING ME THE PURPOSE AND WE NEED TO KNOW THAT AS WELL, BUT I GUESS WE JUST NEED SOME GENERAL INFORMATION. MR. MAYEN.
>> I DON'T WANT TO GET CAUGHT LIKE WE DID WITH THE SOLAR FACILITY.
THAT APPLICATION ALL OF A SUDDEN RUNNING IN FRONT OF US, AND WE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT SOLAR.
WE GOT EDUCATED PRETTY QUICK, TOOK A FEW MONTHS, BUT THIS BATTERY STORAGE COMPONENT WAS PART OF THAT 10 THINGS THAT MS. LEWIS HAD LEFT WITH US THAT WE HAD MENTIONED BEFORE, NOT REALLY GOT A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND INFORMATION, FEEDBACK ON.
I GUESS AFTER GETTING THIS PHONE CALL, AND I GUESS THE REASON I WAS CONTACTED, HE SAW MY NAME WITH CHAIRMAN, I RECKON, AND MS. LEWIS HAD HAD RETIRED OUT, SO I GUESS THAT'S WHY I GOT THAT CALL, BUT SINCE THAT HAS BEEN NULLIFIED AND NOT ON THE TABLE NOW, I STILL THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOME GENERAL INFORMATIONAL SECTIONS.
I WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT THAT IS SO I'LL BE BETTER INFORMED IF WE DO HAVE A REQUEST AT SOME POINT.
>> IT SEEMS TO ME, MR. KNUCKLES WOULD BE THE ONE TO GIVE US A PROGRAM ON THAT; HE'S HAD THE EXPERIENCE.
>> ABSOLUTELY. I THINK IF THAT IS THE FUTURE OR THE WAY OF THE FUTURE, YEAH, I'D LIKE TO LEARN SOME MORE ABOUT IT BEFORE WE GET TOO DEEP IN THE WEEDS.
>> I AGREE. OTHER THAN THIS REQUEST TONIGHT, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYTHING RIGHT NOW COMING FORWARD.
>> WE COULD PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA.
>> AS LONG WE'RE NOT TOO BACKLOGGED, IT'D BE A GOOD TIME TO GET THE INFORMATION COMING FORWARD SO WE COULD HAVE AN OPEN DISCUSSION.
IS THAT AGREEABLE, EVERYONE? MR. KNUCKLES, I'M GETTING A LOT OF NODS HERE.
DO YOU THINK YOU COULD PREPARE SOME INFORMATION, SUBMIT SOME INFORMATION, MAYBE PICTURES? I THINK TO UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE, I'D LIKE TO KNOW OF SOME OTHER LOCALITIES.
DOES ANYBODY KNOW OF A BATTERY STORAGE CLOSE TO US? ANYBODY KNOW OF ONE? SEE WHAT THE CLOSEST BATTERY STORAGE FACILITY IS TO US OR OUR AREA.
WE NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT IS, WHAT IT DOES, AND SOME OF THE PROS AND CONS OF ADJOINING RESIDENTS OR LANDOWNERS OR BUSINESSES? WHAT ARE THESE CONCERNS? I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
>> I'LL CHECK AND SEE WHAT'S AVAILABLE AND PERHAPS WHAT MY COMPANY HAS AVAILABLE.
I KNOW WE HAVE SOME FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE RENEWABLE ENERGY SIDE OF ZONING AND PLANNING AND INVOLVED PERHAPS IN THIS.
LET ME SEE WHAT WE CAN MAYBE FIND OUT, WHAT WE CAN PUT TOGETHER FOR YOU, AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE IF THAT'S OKAY.
>> THAT'D BE GREAT. IF YOU GOT SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD SHARE WITH MS. BAKER, ANYTHING THAT SO FAR AS ANY INFORMATION YOU COULD SEND OUT OR MAYBE PUT IT ON THE WEBSITE THAT WE COULD VIEW POSSIBLY TO GIVE US A LITTLE HEADS UP POSSIBLY AS WELL, BUT IF YOU GOT ANY KIND OF, I KNOW SOMETIMES PEOPLE BRING IN PRESENTATIONS FOR THE SCREEN.
I'LL JUST SAY ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO HELP EDUCATE US ON THIS, WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
>> I'LL CERTAINLY CHECK WITH SUSSEX COUNTY.
AGAIN, THAT'S MY IMMEDIATE MEMORY, AND I ALSO HAVE A COLLEAGUE THAT WORKS THERE IN THE PLANNING FIELD WHO MAY BE ABLE TO GIVE US SOME INFORMATION ON THAT APPLICATION.
>> AND SOME OF THE EDUCATIONAL ITEMS WITH THAT, AND I'LL CHECK WITH SOME OTHER SOURCES TOO.
IF YOU'D LIKE THAT FORWARDED OUT SEPARATELY, WILL BE GLAD TO DO THAT.
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>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
IS ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THAT ISSUE? WE'LL HAVE SOME INFORMATION AT OUR NEXT MEETING ON IT AND WE'LL START ADDRESSING SOME OF THE CONCERNS WITH THE BATTERY STORAGE.
NOW, IS THERE ANY OTHER UNFINISHED BUSINESS? IS THERE ANY NEW BUSINESS?
[VI. NEW BUSINESS]
PLEASE COME FORWARD TONIGHT.I'LL BRING UP SOMETHING REAL BRIEF.
IN THE PAST FEW MONTHS, I'VE BEEN QUESTIONED ABOUT THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
I GUESS THAT'S THE DEPARTMENT, MR. KNUCKLES, THAT YOU ARE THE CHAIRMAN OF OR THE DIRECTOR OF.
CAN YOU TELL ME, AND MAYBE THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HERE MAY BE AWARE OF IT, SAY, FOR INSTANCE, IF I CAME IN AND MY WIFE AND I WANTED TO BUILD A NEW HOUSE, IS THERE AN OUTLINE OR SOME INFO SHEET AVAILABLE WHERE YOU CAN GO RIGHT THERE IN THE LIST IN A PARTICULAR ORDER AS TO WHAT IT REQUIRES AND WHEN IT REQUIRES IT TO GET ALL OF THE NECESSARY PERMITS? NOW, I'M TALKING ABOUT A HOUSE RIGHT NOW, BUT THIS WILL BE FOR A BUSINESS AS WELL BECAUSE I'VE ACTUALLY HEARD IT ON BOTH SIDES.
DOES THE OFFICE HAVE A SO-CALLED OUTLINE THAT WILL TELL THE APPLICANT WHAT THEY NEED TO DO IN A PARTICULAR ORDER TO MAKE THEIR RESPECTIVE PROJECT HAPPEN?
>> I DON'T KNOW THAT RIGHT OFFHAND.
I KNOW THAT FREDDY GRAY, WHO OPERATES THE PERMITTING SIDE OF THE OFFICE HAS FORMS THAT HE DOES GIVE THE APPLICANTS, AND I ASSUME THE FORMS HAVE SOME INFORMATION ON WHAT IS REQUIRED TO BE CHECKED OFF.
I ALSO KNOW THAT WE ENCOURAGE INDIVIDUALS TO HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A PRE-APPLICATION MEETING.
WITH THE STAFF AND DISCUSS WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING TO DO SO THE STAFF CAN WALK THEM THROUGH, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY CHECK ON THAT AND LET YOU KNOW WHAT WE HAVE.
>> MEANWHILE, OUR COMPLETE APPLICATION PACKAGE IS ONLINE AT SOUTHAMPTONCOUNTY.ORG.
THAT TELLS YOU EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO DO TO BRING IN, BUT WE GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT AN ADDRESS, AND THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS, BUT THE COMPLETE PACKAGE IS ONLINE SOUTHAMPTONCOUNTY.ORG.
FREDDY IS MORE THAN WILLING TO MEET WITH ANYONE THAT HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY CONCERNS BEFORE THEY TURN IN THEIR APPLICATION.
>> MS. BAKER, WHAT I'M HEARING IS, SO ON THE WEBSITE, THERE IS A SO-CALLED, I CALLED IT AN OUTLINE.
>> FOR A NEW DWELLING, WE CALL IT ONE AND TWO-FAMILY.
DWELLING APPLICATION IS, I BELIEVE, IS VERY SIMPLE. IT IS ONLINE.
>> I THINK SOME PEOPLE ARE GETTING CONFUSED AS TO WHAT PERMIT IT IS TO GET NEXT IN A PARTICULAR ORDER.
>> WE HAVE ONE APPLICATION, AND WE USE THAT EVERYTHING.
>> MR. KNUCKLES, I'M CONFERRING WITH MS. BAKER IN THE AUDIENCE.
HE SAID THERE IS AN OUTLINE, SO TO SPEAK ON ON THE WEBSITE.
>> I'M LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. YES.
>> THAT'S TAKEN CARE OF. THANK YOU FOR THAT AND THANK YOU, MS. BAKER, FOR YOUR COMMENT, I APPRECIATE THAT.
THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
IS THERE ANY OTHER NEW VOTES TONIGHT? IF NOT, THEN, I GUESS I'M GOING TO SEE YOU IN SEPTEMBER, SO I'M GOING TO ASK FOR A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT.
>> SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR OF ADJOURNING, SAY AYE.
>> THANK YOU-ALL VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT AND SEE YOU IN SEPTEMBER.
>> HOPEFULLY, WE'LL HAVE RECEIVED IN SEPTEMBER.
>> THANK YOU, MR. KNUCKLES, APPRECIATE YOU BEING A PART OF THE MEETING.
WE'VE ADJOURNED THE MEETING.
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