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LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED, OUR MEETING TONIGHT.
I'LL WELCOME, EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU HERE TONIGHT AND BEFORE WE START WITH OUR ACTUAL MEETING, I'M GOING TO ASK IF EVERYONE WILL STAND AND WE'LL RECITE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO OUR FLAG.
ALLEGIANCE] I'M GONNA ASK YOU IF YOU'LL REMAIN STANDING, PLEASE AND REVEREND LUCAS WILL HAVE A BRIEF INVOCATION FOR US.
THANK YOU. WOULD YOU PRAY WITH ME? HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY.
WE THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME TOGETHER TO CONDUCT BUSINESS.
AND FATHER, WE PRAY THAT WHILE WE DO SO, THAT WE'LL DO IT IN A MANNER THAT'S PLEASING UNTO YOU.
WE THANK YOU FOR ALL THINGS THAT YOU DO FOR US.
YOU MAY BE SEATED. AGAIN, I WELCOME EVERYONE HERE TONIGHT, OUR BOARD, AS WELL AS THE ONE IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT.
AND JUST TO REMIND YOU ALL, THIS IS A VERY INFORMAL MEETING.
AND MY NAME IS MICHAEL DRAKE AND WE WELCOME YOU ALL HERE TONIGHT.
AND WE'LL HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD LATER THAT YOU CAN PARTICIPATE, IF YOU LIKE.
AND LET IT BE NOTED THAT MISS ALSTON IS NOT IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT AND EVERYONE ELSE IS JUST FOR THE MINUTES. SO I HOPE YOU HAD TIME TO REVIEW YOUR PACKETS.
[II. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
AND THE FIRST THING ON OUR AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF OUR FEBRUARY MINUTE MEETINGS.AND I GUESS YOU NOTICED THERE WERE A LITTLE MORE CONDENSED, WHICH I REALLY LIKED THAT BECAUSE I KNOW SOMETIMES I GET VERY LONG WINDED WITH ALL THE COMMENTS I LIKE TO MAKE SOMETIMES, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY NEAT.
AND OF COURSE, IT CONTAINS ALL THE PERTINENT INFORMATION.
IT, DOES EVERYBODY LIKE THE NEW FORMAT? OKAY. VERY GOOD.
BUT LIKE I SAID, ALL THE PERTINENT INFORMATION IS INCLUDED.
AND WHAT I SAW, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY, I DIDN'T SEE ANY ISSUES.
BUT IS THERE ANY CORRECTIONS OR AMENDMENTS TO THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED? MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED SAY AYE.
AND THEY ARE APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY.
[III. PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD]
WE'LL GO TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.AND BEFORE I OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
AND LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE A LOT OF FACES IN OUR AUDIENCE TONIGHT.
BUT IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU LIKE TO TALK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT MAYBE WE COULD REFER TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FROM THIS COMMISSION YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME FORWARD.
BUT IF YOUR COMMENTS, IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS DUE TO THE PUBLIC HEARING ABOUT THE REZONING REQUEST, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU IF YOU HOLD THOSE COMMENTS TO GET TO THAT POSITION OR THAT PART OF OUR, OF OUR MEETING.
AND I WILL NOW OPEN THE HEARING FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
ANYBODY GOT ANYTHING ON THEIR MIND TONIGHT? I SEE DON'T SMILE ON THE FACES.
THAT'S GOOD. I'M GLAD THAT EVERYTHING IS GOING WELL IN THE COUNTY.
OKAY. NOBODY'S COMING FORWARD.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
NOW WE'LL GO DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
AND THIS IS THE WHY WE HAVE OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS LISTED.
[IV. PUBLIC HEARING]
MRS. LOUIS I SAW THAT YOU LEFT A ANOTHER WELL, ANOTHER AGENDA.I KNOW ONE OF THE HEARINGS HAD BEEN DELAYED, SO BUT THE ONE IN MY PACKET WAS JUST SHOWING THE THREE.
SO DO I NEED TO MAKE NOTE OF THAT? THAT THE ONES THAT WERE POSTPONED? I'LL EXPLAIN, AT THE MEETING LAST MONTH, THE APPLICANT ASKED THAT THE TWO FOR BRIAN LANE, THE PARRISH LANE DESIGN GROUP, THEY ASKED FOR A 30 DAY
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ABEYANCE FOR BOTH THE PLAN AMENDMENT AND THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT.SO I PUT THE AD IN THE PAPER RIGHT FOR THOSE.
AND SO THIS IS THAT PROOF THAT WAS SENT TO THE PAPER.
THEY'LL HAVE IT TO ME NEXT WEEK.
I'M NOT GOING TO ADVERTISE IT AGAIN UNTIL I HAVE IT IN MY HAND.
GIVE AN UPDATE. BUT I'D HAVE TO CONFLICT OUT AND GO AROUND.
IS IT NECESSARY? IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT, I CAN.
THIS APPLICATION OBVIOUSLY IS OWNED BY MYSELF AND MR. JIM HART. WE HAVE RETAINED BRIAN LANE AND MR. CHRIS PARRISH WITH PARRISH LANE GROUP.
SO PARRISH DESIGN GROUP, GROUP, GROUP.
AND BASICALLY THE REASON FOR THE DELAY IS, IS GOOD NEWS, I THINK IS THAT RACETRAC PETROLEUM OUT OF ATLANTA, GEORGIA, IS DOING AN EXPANSION WE HAD AN OFFER ON PIECE OF THE PROPERTY.
VDOT GOT WIND OF IT, AND THEY REQUESTED THAT WE PUT THAT IN A CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
SO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF CONTINGENCIES, BUT WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT IT WORKS OUT.
SO THE SUBMITTAL THAT IS COMING TO YOU WILL BE FOR A RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT ON ROUTE 58.
IS A RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT INTO THE PROPERTY AND THEN A COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE FOR TRUCKS AND A WHAT I CALL A CITIZEN ENTRANCE OFF STORY STATION ROAD.
AND THE PROPERTY, WE HAVE VERY LIMITED FRONTAGE ON STORY STATION.
SO RACETRAC PETROLEUM HAS PUT THE ADJOINING PIECE OF PROPERTY UNDER CONTRACT WITH CONTINGENCIES.
SO WE WANTED IT WAS IMPORTANT TO MR. HART AND I THAT WE'RE VERY TRANSPARENT ON WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
MOST OF THE PROPERTY IS ALREADY IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS B2.
BUT CURRENTLY ZONED IS A1, I BELIEVE.
SO WE'RE ASKING BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A BUSINESS DISTRICT.
SO WE'RE REQUESTING TO FOR IT TO GO TO B2 AND WE'RE PUTTING IN THE THE SITE PLAN.
IT'S OBVIOUSLY A VERY COMPLICATED AREA.
SO VDOT REQUESTED THAT WHICH WE FULLY COMPLIED WITH.
AND WE OBVIOUSLY WANT TO MEET ALL THE BELLS AND WHISTLES THAT THEY REQUIRE.
WHILE WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO ADHERE TO EVERYTHING THAT RACETRAC PETROLEUM IS REQUESTING BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO MISS OBVIOUSLY THEIR AN EXPANSION.
THEY WANT 30 STORES IN NORTH CAROLINA AND VIRGINIA.
I BELIEVE SOME OF THEIR FOLKS ARE WORKING WITH SOUTHAMPTON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEM BECAUSE.
BUT THEY'RE VERY PROFESSIONAL.
THEY'VE BEEN VERY GOOD TO DEAL WITH, AND WE'VE BEEN VERY TRANSPARENT WITH THEM, TRYING TO GET THEM HERE INTO THE COUNTY BECAUSE IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE WAWA HAS IN FRANKLIN, BUT IT HAS A COMMERCIAL PUMP.
AND A I GUESS A, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT TERMS, BUT FOR TRUCKS AND THEN ALSO FOR CITIZENS.
BUT IT'S LOOKS LIKE A FIRST CLASS OPERATION AND A VERY LARGE COMPANY THAT I'VE BEEN IMPRESSED WITH.
THANK YOU, MISTER RANDALL. APPRECIATE YOU GIVING US AN UPDATE.
AND WE'RE HOLDING OTHER QUESTIONS UNTIL NEXT MONTH UNTIL WE HAVE THE FORMAL HEARING.
SO THAT BEING THE CASE, LET'S GO BACK TO THE AGENDA PACKET THAT WAS SENT OUT TO US.
SO WE'RE GOING TO CALL IT ITEM NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.
AND I'M GOING TO ASK MISS LEWIS IF SHE WOULD ELABORATE ON THAT.
THIS IS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT 2023-01.
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AMENDMENT FOR TAX PARCEL 67-45 A FROM INDUSTRIAL TO LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO CONSTRUCT A SIX LOT RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION.THE PROPERTY CONTAINS 6.338 ACRES.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF SOUTHAMPTON PARKWAY, WHICH IS US 58, APPROXIMATELY 330FT EAST OF ITS INTERSECTION WITH ADAMS GROVE ROAD, WHICH IS STATE ROAD 615.
THESE ARE THE SAME PIECE OF PROPERTY.
I MET HIM FOR THE FIRST TIME IN PERSON TONIGHT.
HE HAS BEEN OVERSEAS SERVING HIS COUNTRY IN THE MILITARY.
BUT I MET HIS WIFE, AND ALL THIS INFORMATION HAS GONE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN US THROUGH EMAILS.
THIS IS THE PROPERTY THAT IS BEHIND WHAT WAS THE LOVELAND SERVICE STATION AT ADAMS GROVE ROAD.
IT IS A 6.338 ACRE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
IF YOU'VE SEEN THE MAP, IT'S AN ODD SHAPED PIECE OF PROPERTY.
IF YOU RECALL, SEVERAL COMPREHENSIVE PLANS AGO, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND BOARD OF SUPERVISORS INSTALLED A 300 FOOT WIDE STRIP ON BOTH THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE OF SOUTHAMPTON PARKWAY FROM THE GREENSVILLE COUNTY LINE ALL THE WAY EAST TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT AND THE DEVELOPMENT. THE BELMONT PEANUTS DEVELOPMENT TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THAT, AND OTHER DEVELOPMENTS HAVE GROWN OVER THE YEARS.
THIS PIECE PROPERTY HAS AN INDUSTRIAL PLAN DESIGNATION.
IT IS AN ODD SHAPE AND IT IS SURROUNDED ON THREE SIDES BY HOUSES, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
SO THE OWNER WISHES TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD, SIX LOTS.
THE SMART PROPERTIES ENTERPRISES, ACCORDING TO THEIR WEBSITE PURCHASES AND RENOVATE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE FOR RENTAL, INCLUDING ONE IN NEWSOMS ON THOMASTON ROAD.
MR. MOBLEY'S, A CLASS A GENERAL CONTRACTOR, AND HE AND HIS FAMILY HAVE, SINCE THE COMPANY'S FOUNDING IN 2008, WORKED TO CREATE, QUOTE, A BETTER, AFFORDABLE COMMUNITY, ACCORDING TO THEIR WEBSITE.
YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS, AS AN IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGY, ENCOURAGED THE DEVELOPMENT OF AN ADEQUATE SUPPLY AND RANGE OF QUALITY HOUSING IN ORDER THAT ALL COUNTY RESIDENTS MIGHT LIVE IN DECENT, SAFE, AFFORDABLE AND SANITARY UNITS AND DISCOURAGE THE SUBDIVISION OF PROPERTY AND CONSTRUCTION OF HOUSES AND AREAS THAT WILL RESULT IN THE LOSS OF VALUABLE FARMLAND AND INTERFERE WITH AGRICULTURAL PRACTICES ON ADJACENT FARMLAND.
I DON'T KNOW OF ANY PLATTED SUBDIVISION IN THE WESTERN PART OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, AND THE FEW PLATTED SUBDIVISIONS IN ALL OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY HAVE MAYBE A DOZEN UNDEVELOPED LOTS ALTOGETHER.
THERE IS JUST A VERY SEVERE LACK OF SINGLE FAMILY HOME LOTS AND PLATTED SUBDIVISIONS.
SO THIS SEEMS TO BE EXACTLY WHAT SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY SHOULD WANT TO ENCOURAGE.
IT'S NOT SUITABLE FOR INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S A FUNNY SHAPE. IT'S SURROUNDED BY HOUSES.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AGRICULTURAL.
THEY KEEP THE VEGETATION MOWED, BUT IT'S A FUNNY SHAPE.
AND THERE ARE HOUSES ALL AROUND.
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MORE COST EFFECTIVE FOR SCHOOL BUSSES AND FOR THE POST OFFICE TO SERVE.THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO UP AND DOWN RURAL ROADS.
THE POST OFFICE MAY REQUIRE A GANG MAILBOX.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WILL HERE, BUT THIS PROPOSED SUBDIVISION INCLUDES A PLAY AREA AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE SUBDIVISION WHERE THAT GANG MAILBOX COULD BE LOCATED.
IT WILL HAVE SIDEWALKS, IT WILL HAVE STREET LIGHTS.
IT WILL HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD AMENITIES THAT ARE NOT FOUND IN MUCH OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY.
AND I SENT OUT NOTICES TO THE ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNERS.
I DIDN'T GET ANY CALLS OR QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING.
MR., I SPOKE TO MR. MOBLEY LAST WEEK, AND HE SAID HE DID BECAUSE HE GREW UP IN THE AREA AND HIS FAMILY AND PEOPLE HE KNEW CONTACTED HIM.
HE'S HERE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, AND I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL.
THE HARDEST PART OF THIS SO FAR HAS BEEN GETTING VDOT ON BOARD FOR A CUL DE SAC.
IF IT, IF A ROAD WAS TO COME OFF ADAMS GROVE ROAD AND CURVE TO THE SOUTH TO GET DOWN TO HICKSFORD ROAD, YOU'D END UP WITH, YOU KNOW, 3 OR 4 LOTS INSTEAD OF SIX, AND THAT DOESN'T REALLY SERVE ANYONE'S PURPOSE.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS LEWIS BEFORE WE PROCEED WITH THE HEARING? OKAY. ONE AND THIS MAY BE JUST MORE CLERICAL.
THE THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF THE CPA.
IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE 2024? NO, BECAUSE THIS WAS SUBMITTED LAST FALL.
OKAY. THAT'S HOW LONG WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH VDOT.
OKAY. WELL, AND ON YOUR PIECE, YOUR NEW PIECE OF PAPER THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED THERE'S A IN THE NUMBER, THE NUMBER REFERENCE NUMBER FOR NUMBER ONE AND THE REFERENCE NUMBER FOR NUMBER TWO ARE THE SAME.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT WAS INTENTIONAL, BUT THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT APPLICANTS.
IS THAT. NUMBER ONE IS CPA 2020-301 AND NUMBER TWO IS RZA 2020-304.
HE'S COMPARING NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER THREE ON YOUR HIGHLIGHT ON YOUR NEW HIGHLIGHTED.
RIGHT I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE WORKING OFF THIS.
THE AGENDA THAT YOU HAVE WITHOUT THE YELLOW ON IT.
GOOD. OKAY. MR. DAY. WHAT PUBLIC SCHOOLS WOULD THEY UTILIZE? CAPRON? CAPRON. YES.
OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE PANEL? I'VE GOT ONE. YES, SIR.
DID VDOT DESIGN THE CUL DE SAC THAT'S IN THE PACKET? WAS THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE APPLICANT AND VDOT? THE APPLICANT AND VDOT WORK TOGETHER.
OKAY. BUT THE THE CUL DE SAC WAS APPROVED.
INFERRING FROM FROM READING THE PACKET.
OKAY. THE DREWRYVILLE HAVE A WATER SYSTEM.
AND DREWRYVILLE DOES HAVE A WELL, YES, BUT IT DOESN'T.
IT DOESN'T GET ALL THE WAY OUT TO THIS PROPERTY TOWN AREA.
HOW FAR, I GUESS IS WHAT? IT'S JUST RIGHT THERE ON DRURY ROAD..
RIGHT IN THE TOWN AT MAIN STREET DOWN THERE. ARE YOU ASKING HOW FAR IS THE PROPERTY? RIGHT. HOW FAR IS THE PROPERTY FROM..
FROM THE WATER. ABOUT FOUR MILES, I BELIEVE.
YEAH. IT'S TOO FAR TO BE SERVED.
OR PROBABLY CLOSER TO GREENVILLE.
ALL RIGHT. IF NOTHING ELSE, I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IF YOU'VE GOT ANYTHING ELSE TO SHARE WITH US, SIR.
YES, SIR. I'LL BE BRIEF, I PROMISE.
THAT'S ALL RIGHT. WE GOT ALL NIGHT.
AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, IF YOU'LL GIVE YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
PLANNING COMMISSION OFFICIALS.
I AM THE OWNER AND FOUNDER OF SMART PROP, ALONG WITH MY WIFE, THE OWNER, AND THE FOUNDER OF SMART
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PROPERTIES ENTERPRISE.I AS MISS LEWIS SAID, I GREW UP IN THIS AREA.
I GRADUATED FROM SOUTHAMPTON HIGH SCHOOL IN JUNE OF 1990.
SO I RECOGNIZE REVEREND LUCAS WHEN I FIRST WALKED IN BECAUSE WE GRADUATED AROUND THE SAME TIME.
SO SHORTLY THEREAFTER GRADUATION, I ACTUALLY LEFT ON I LEFT TO GO TO VIRGINIA STATE UNIVERSITY.
AND THEN FROM THERE I JOINED THE MILITARY.
BUT FIRST AND FOREMOST, BEFORE I GET INTO THIS SMART PROPERTIES ENTERPRISE AND MYSELF FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK GOD FOR ALLOWING ME TO RETURN HOME SAFELY. I SERVED OVER IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
I JUST, I'M JUST COMING OFF OF A DEPLOYMENT, SIX MONTH DEPLOYMENT IN KUWAIT.
AND I LIKE TO THANK MY FAMILY FOR SUPPORTING ME THROUGHOUT THOSE SIX MONTHS BECAUSE WHILE YOU IN, DURING THE TIME THAT YOU'RE SERVING IN AN AUSTERE ENVIRONMENT, YOU NEED ALL THE SUPPORT YOU CAN POSSIBLY GET.
SO IT'S ABOUT 3:00 IN THE MORNING IN KUWAIT, SO I REALLY APPRECIATE IT, MISS LEWIS.
WITH THAT SAID, I'LL JUST GIVE A QUICK BACKGROUND OF THE COMPANY AS WELL AS MYSELF.
SO SMART PROPERTIES IS ACTUALLY SMART IS AN ACRONYM.
SO THE SITES AND MOBLEY, THE FIRST TWO THEIR LAST NAMES THE LAST NAME OF MY GRANDFATHER, WHOSE NAME WAS SAM SITES AND HE WAS A BOARD OF HE WAS A CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS BACK DURING HIS, YOU KNOW, YEARS AGO.
SO ABOUT 30, 40 YEARS AGO, IF NOT LONGER THAN THAT.
AND MOBLEY IS MY FRATERNAL IS MY FATHER'S, I GOT THAT FROM MY FATHER'S SIDE.
SO IT'S JUST PAYING HOMAGE TO THOSE MALE ROLE MODELS IN MY LIFE.
SO AND THEN THE LAST THREE LETTERS ASSISTING RESPONSIBLE TENANTS, OF COURSE.
AND THEN YOU HAVE A DESIRE TO EVENTUALLY BECOME A HOMEOWNER.
THAT IS THE ORIGIN OF SMART PROPERTIES.
WHAT WE LIKE TO DO IS JUST OFFER DETAILED DESIGN PROPERTIES IN THE COUNTY.
RIGHT THERE AT THAT, IN THAT PARCEL, THAT SIX ACRE PARCEL OF LAND.
HOPEFULLY WE CAN AFFORD WE CAN GIVE THE CITIZENS OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY OR OFFER THE CITIZENS OF SOUTHAMPTON SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY AN AFFORDABLE PROPERTY, NEW CONSTRUCTION PROPERTY, I SHOULD SAY.
SO OUR THE TARGET PRICE OR I SHOULD SAY THE TARGET SQUARE FOOTAGE WOULD BE 2000 PLUS -200 AND THE PRICE POINT, WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 350,325, 350,000 RANGE.
SO BUT WE WANT WE JUST WE'RE JUST OFFERING, TRYING TO OFFER AFFORDABLE HOMES AND A NICE AREA AND NICE SUBDIVISION, ALONG WITH A COMMON AREA, WHICH WILL BE FOR, LIKE, YOUR KIDS, FAMILIES WITH KIDS PLAYGROUND, ALONG WITH AREA WHERE THE ADULTS CAN SIT AND JUST PICNIC OR JUST SIT AND JUST SOCIALIZE.
ME, MYSELF, I HAVE A I'M DEEPLY ROOTED IN THE COUNTY.
AS I SAID, I GRADUATED IN 1990 FROM SOUTHAMPTON HIGH SCHOOL.
I'M RELATED TO QUITE A FEW PEOPLE IN THIS AREA.
FACINGS, PARKERS, SITES, TENNESSEE'S JUST TO NAME A FEW.
SO I WAS ACTUALLY BORN IN PERU, INDIANA.
THAT'S ABOUT 73, 73 MILES NORTH OF INDIANAPOLIS.
ACTUALLY, IT WAS ON AN AIR FORCE BASE.
MY FATHER WAS IN THE AIR FORCE, SO I WAS BORN ON AN AIR FORCE BASE.
BUT SHORTLY THEREAFTER, MY MOTHER AND I, WE CAME BACK TO SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY AND I STAYED IN PLACE FOR 18 YEARS, AND THAT'S WHERE I MET AND JUST I MET A LOT OF MAGNIFICENT, WONDERFUL PEOPLE HERE IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY.
SOUTHAMPTON IS MY FOUNDATION AND WILL ALWAYS BE MY ROOTS.
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I AS FAR AS MY CAREER'S, I AM EMPLOYED AT PHILIP MORRIS ATRIA.ATRIA IS THE PARENT COMPANY OF PHILIP MORRIS.
I'M A MAINTENANCE TECHNICIAN THERE.
I'VE BEEN THERE FOR APPROXIMATELY 23 YEARS.
I SERVED I'VE BEEN SERVING IN THE ARMY RESERVE FOR 20TH APRIL.
AND AS I SAID, I'M PROUD I PROUDLY SERVE.
I'M GLAD AND TRULY HAPPY THAT I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE IN THE MILITARY.
BUT I AM IT IS COMING TO AN END QUICKLY.
AND SO, IN CONCLUSION, I WILL SAY THAT I, BEYOND ALL OF MY ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND EVERYTHING THAT I'VE DONE, WHETHER IT'S ON THE CIVILIAN SIDE AND THE MILITARY SIDE.
I AM TRULY PROUD THAT I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER HOME OWNERSHIP.
SO I HAD TO HOLD OFF, BUT I ENDED UP SELLING IT.
BUT MY FIRST PROJECT THAT I COMPLETED WAS ON PINOPOLIS ROAD.
SECOND, WHICH IS I HOLD NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART, WAS THE CONSTRUCTION OF MY AUNT'S PROPERTY, WHICH WAS RIGHT THERE IN A IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE PARCEL OF LAND, AND THAT WAS HER RETIREMENT HOME AFTER TEACHING FOR 30 YEARS IN THE COUNTY.
AND THOSE ARE INDEED MY TWO BIGGEST ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
AND I HOLD THAT NEAR TO MY HEART.
SO WITH THAT SAID, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS, MR. MOBLEY? ANY QUESTIONS? I'VE GOT A QUICK QUESTION.
IS IT GOING TO BE LIKE AN HOA ASSERTED WITH THIS, TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR MAINTENANCE OF THESE COMMON AREAS AND PAY FOR THE STREETS, LIGHTS AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS? YES, IT WILL BE HOA.
I HAVEN'T DETERMINED THE COST OF THE HOA, BUT IT DEFINITELY WOULD BE MINIMAL COST. I, YOU KNOW, I'VE LIVED IN CHESTER, SO I KNOW THE HOAS CAN MAKE HOME OWNERSHIP UNAFFORDABLE.
SO I DEFINITELY HAVE THAT IN THE FRONT OF MY MIND.
BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES.
THE COUNTY SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE REQUIRES AN HOA, AND THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO INSTALL THE STREET LIGHTING AND PAY FOR THE STREET LIGHTING, THE HOA WILL AND THEN THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, THE COMMON AREA OR WHATEVER, BUT THE ROAD AND THE SIDEWALKS WILL BECOME VDOT WHEN THEY'RE COMPLETE.
OKAY. MR. DAY. ARE YOU GOING TO BE THE ACTUAL CONTRACTOR FOR THIS? YES, MYSELF, ALONG WITH I WILL PARTNER UP WITH ANOTHER BUILDER.
SO. ALL RIGHT, SO YOU WILL OVERSEE THE PROJECT? YES, SIR. OKAY. YES.
IS THIS, I GUESS THIS IS NOT BIG ENOUGH FOR BMP POND? THAT WILL BE DETERMINED WHEN WE GET TO THE SUBDIVISION PLAN.
THIS POINT IS STILL THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AND THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT.
SO THE SHAPES OF THOSE LOTS MAY CHANGE SOME, BUT YES, THEY WILL HAVE TO MEET STORMWATER REGULATIONS.
YEAH, I GUESS I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT WHEN THERE'S REFERENCE ABOUT A HOME OWNERS.
IT'S TO ME IF OWNERSHIP OF THAT POND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN AREAS WITHIN THE COUNTY THAT HAS BEEN VERY CONFUSING AND DIFFICULT AND I JUST AND WITH THE SIZE OF THESE LOTS, THERE MIGHT NOT NEED TO BE A POND, BUT THERE ALL HAVE TO BE SOME SORT OF STORMWATER STUDY DONE WHEN THE ACTUAL SUBDIVISION PLAN IS DONE.
AND MR. PRINCE WILL WORK WITH MR. MOBLEY FOR STORMWATER.
BUT IF THERE IS ANY FEATURE, THEN YES, THAT WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF BY THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
THE ONES AROUND THE COUNTY, ESPECIALLY THE ONE AT PINES VIVAR, WAS INSTALLED BEFORE THE COUNTY'S SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE REQUIRED HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS.
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SO SINCE OF THE OTHER SUBDIVISIONS, SINCE THE NEW ORDINANCE HADN'T BEEN ANY PROBLEMS? WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY SUBDIVISIONS SINCE THE NEW ORDINANCE.WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY NEWLY CREATED SUBDIVISIONS IN THE 15 YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE.
FIRST, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, REVEREND LUCAS, APPRECIATE IT.
I'D LIKE TO SAY, BEING THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE POTENTIALLY OUT IN THE AREA THAT I REPRESENT OUT IN THE WESTERN PORTION OF THIS COUNTY.
THERE'S NOT A LOT GOING ON OUT THERE.
AND TO HAVE THIS POTENTIAL GROWTH IN THAT AREA I THINK IT'LL BE VERY GOOD FOR THE COUNTY.
APPRECIATE IT. APPRECIATE IT, ENCOURAGING WORDS.
OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU SIR.
I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANKS.
ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME FORWARD? YES, MA'AM. COME ON.
WHAT? DO I HAVE TO COME UP THERE? OH, YEAH. COME ON.
PARDON ME? YOUR NAME? FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS BRENDA SITES HARDY, AND I'M A PRODUCT OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY.
I LEFT FOR A LITTLE WHILE, BUT PRETTY MUCH.
I'VE TAUGHT HERE FOR 37 YEARS, AND I ENJOYED EVERY BIT OF IT.
BUT I WAS GLAD TO REACH RETIREMENT, THOUGH.
YES. AND I'M JUST SO PROUD OF MARCELLAS.
HE WAS MY NEPHEW AND HE BUILT MY HOUSE.
I WAS ON PANOPOULOS ROAD AND BUT I GREW UP IN ADAMS GROVE.
SO IT HAS HOLDS SOMETHING SPECIAL TO MY HEART.
YOU KNOW MY PARENTS LIVED THERE AND I'M JUST I'M JUST ELATED.
I JUST LOVE BEING UP THERE ON 58.
SO IT JUST IT'S I'M JUST REALLY HAPPY THAT HE WANTS TO COME BACK TO HIS ROOTS AND DO SOMETHING SO SPECIAL FOR THE PEOPLE IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY.
WHEREAS DREWRYVILLE ADDRESS WAS MORE OR LESS IN THE ADAMS GROVE AREA.
AND SO I'M JUST I'M JUST ELATED KNOWING THAT HE WANTS TO DO SOMETHING AT HOME.
AND I JUST CAN'T WAIT TO HAVE NEIGHBORS AND THE THE HOMES THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT BUILDING.
I MEAN, I DON'T SEE ANYBODY MOVING THERE.
SO I THINK THIS LIKE REVEREND LUCAS SAID, THIS IS A GREAT THING AND I JUST HOPE IT WILL PASS AND WE CAN MOVE ON FORWARD WITH THIS. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS, THIS YOUNG LADY, ANY QUESTIONS.
ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME FORWARD? OUR LAST CALL.
ALL RIGHT? NOT HOW CLOSE THE HEARING.
OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE IT'S LOCATED AT.
MR. LUCAS, HE RESIDES IN PROXIMITY, CORRECT, ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF MILES FROM THAT LOCATION.
AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS? YOU THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD? VERY GOOD. THAT TRACT OF LAND AND MY GUILT, I HAVE NOT, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE KIND OF FAMILIAR LOCATION, BUT I DID NOT GO UP TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE PARTICULAR SITE.
BUT FROM WHAT I'M SEEING IN THE DESCRIPTION AND THE MAPS AND THE DRAWING WITH WHAT'S WITH THE HOMES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN CUT OUT OF THAT PARTICULAR TRACT, IT'S CERTAINLY A GOOD WAY TO UTILIZE, I GUESS THAT'S THE RIGHT WORD, THE REMAINING AREAS.
AND I REALLY LIKE THE IDEA PERSONALLY.
THAT IS NOT GOING TO THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT WON'T BE ON HIGHWAY 58.
IT'LL ACTUALLY BE ON THE ADJOINING PUBLIC ROAD.
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THAT'S JUST MY COMMENT, BUT I'LL.AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN THE PANEL FOR ANY OTHER DISCUSSION.
AND OF COURSE RIGHT NOW, NOW WE ALL THIS IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.
OKAY. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ANYTHING. MISS, I GUESS THIS QUESTION IS FOR MISS LEWIS.
WILL WE SEE THIS AGAIN AS HE GETS CLOSER WHEN THE VDOT, STORMWATER AND ALL THAT? OR ONCE WE AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND REZONE IT, THEN HE'S GOOD TO GO FROM THERE FORWARD.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
GOTCHA. AND OF COURSE, IT WOULDN'T COME TO YOU UNTIL IT DID NOT MEET ALL THE SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENTS, RIGHT? I'D MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE.
AND THE MOTION IS MADE IN DUE CONSIDERATION OF THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY, THE GENERAL WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY, PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE AND IN THE EXERCISE OF GOOD ZONING PRACTICES AND IN PURSUIT OF THE BODY'S STATUTORY AUTHORITY.
AND SECOND, IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? IF NOT, CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS RECOMMENDATION GOING FORWARD TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
OPPOSED LIKE SIGN IT CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
OKAY. NOW WE WILL GO DOWN TO THE SECOND HEARING, WHICH IS THE REZONING APPLICATION.
MS. LEWIS, THIS IS A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FROM A-1 AGRICULTURAL TO CR1 CONDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, THAT IS THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IN THIS ZONING DESIGNATION IS 30,000FT².
SITE BUILT HOMES AND MODULAR HOMES ARE REQUIRED, WHILE MANUFACTURED HOMES ARE NOT PERMITTED.
PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION IS REQUIRED.
THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT UTILITIES BE INSTALLED UNDERGROUND AND WHILE THIS ISN'T SERVED BY PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER, AND ANY ADDITIONS TO THE COUNTY'S SINGLE FAMILY HOME INVENTORY AND PLATTED SUBDIVISIONS IS A WELCOME ADDITION TO SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY.
THERE'S CONTINUING DEVELOPMENT STRUNG OUT ALONG RURAL ROADS, WHICH IS VERY EXPENSIVE FOR SCHOOL BUSSES TO SERVE THE POST OFFICE TO SERVE, AND IT DOES IMPACT USABLE AGRICULTURAL AND FOREST LAND.
THIS IS A KIND OF LEFT BEHIND PIECE OF PROPERTY SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
YES, YES, SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND ROADS.
AND IT IT IS NOT VERY CONDUCIVE TO AGRICULTURE.
SO THIS IS A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT TO CHANGE IT TO R-1 WITH THE CONDITION INCLUDING THE PROFFER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MISS LEWIS BEFORE WE PROCEED WITH THIS HEARING? IF NOT, I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THIS HEARING, AND THE REZONING AMENDMENT.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING ADDITIONAL THAT YOU ALL WANT TO PRESENT, I THINK.
NO I DON'T, UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME.
I THINK I'VE SHARED ALL THE INFORMATION THAT I HAD.
UNLESS YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, MR. MOBLEY? ANY OTHER CONCERNS WE HAVE? I THINK WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU SIR.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. IF THERE'S NO ONE ELSE, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE HEARING.
NOW, ANY ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ON THE REZONING AMENDMENT.
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I'D MAKE A MOTION.A MOTION TO APPROVE RZA 2023-04, AND THIS MOTION IS MADE IN DUE CONSIDERATION OF PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY, THE GENERAL WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY, PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE AND THE EXERCISE OF GOOD ZONING PRACTICES, AND IN AND IN PURSUANT TO THE BODY'S STATUTORY AUTHORITY.
THAT'S A TONGUE TWISTER. YEAH.
THANK YOU SIR. DO I HEAR A SECOND TO THE MOTION? SECOND, HAVE A PROPER MOTION AND A PROPER SECOND IS ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE VOTE? IF NOT, I'LL CALL THE VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF RECOMMENDING THIS? REQUEST THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
AND THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR YOUR PRESENTATION TONIGHT.
AND I'M GOING TO THROW IN I SHOULD I SHOULDN'T PROBABLY COMMENT.
AND THIS WILL GO TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AT THE APRIL MEETING.
THE FOURTH TUESDAY IN APRIL WILL BE THE APRIL MEETING.
AND OF COURSE, WE WISH YOU ALL THE VERY BEST AS IT PROCEEDS THROUGH THE GOVERNING BODY.
WELL, I THINK THIS BOARD, I THINK I CAN SPEAK FOR THE BOARD.
YOU KNOW, TO NOT SO-CALLED WASTE OUR BIGGER OPEN SPACES.
YOU DID YOUR HOMEWORK ON THAT.
THE SECOND THING I WANT TO SAY IS AND I'M NOT GOING TO BRING UP A DEEP SUBJECT, BUT I'M GOING TO MENTION SOLAR. THERE ARE A LOT OF INCENTIVES FOR SOLAR RIGHT NOW, AND I DON'T I'M JUST SUGGESTING I'M JUST I'M JUST TALKING.
I'M NOT SUGGESTING. I'M JUST TALKING.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY RESIDUAL AREA.
BUT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT.
IT'D BE HUGE. NOT ONLY FOR YOU POSSIBLY MAY NOT WORK OKAY.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE JUST HUGE FOR THE COUNTY THAT WE DO PROMOTE SOLAR AND RESIDUAL AREAS, AND ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE HOMES, THEY ARE SO ARE JUST A LITTLE TIDBIT IF YOU GET A CHANCE TO RESEARCH THAT.
BUT LIKE I SAID, IT MIGHT NOT WORK.
YOU MAY NOT HAVE ENOUGH SPACE.
I JUST WANT TO KIND OF THROW THAT OUT THERE.
SO ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE SOLAR PANELS, WHICH I SEE QUITE A BIT IN THE COUNTY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, LIKE THE SOLAR PANELS FOR THE ON THE HOUSES, ON ON THE WELLS OF THE HOUSES.
WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE SORT OF WHATEVER YOU'RE YOU'RE THE DEVELOPER AND THE CONTRACTOR, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IT THERE'S A FEW HOMES IN THE COUNTY THAT HAVE IT ON THE ROOFTOP, BUT I GUESS I WAS THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A ROW OR TWO IN SOME RESIDUAL.
NOT YOUR PARK, NOT THE PLAYGROUND AREA, BUT IF THERE'S ANY OTHER RESIDUAL AREAS, I'M JUST.
I'M JUST THROWING A THOUGHT, THAT'S ALL.
BUT IT SURE WOULD BE SOMETHING POSITIVE FROM THE COUNTY BECAUSE YOU'RE MAKING YOU'RE REALLY UTILIZING A REALLY ODD SHAPED AND REALLY GOING TO MAKE SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE OUT OF IT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, WOULD YOU LIKE THEM IN YOUR BACKYARD? NOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT DEVELOPER BUT THE DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, BUT BUT..
IT SEEMS TO ME TO BE HARD TO SELL A HOUSE WITH..
IT MAY POWER YOUR STREET LIGHT, YOUR STREET LIGHTS.
I WELCOME ALL IDEAS THAT I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING.
BUT IT RELUCTANTLY I CONTACTED A FIRM I PUT A RATHER SIGNIFICANT ADDITION TO MY FARM.
I'M A FARMER TO MY FARM SHOP, AND I COULDN'T GET THEM TO TALK TO ME BECAUSE I WAS INCORPORATING THEM ON A, YOU KNOW, I PUT A STEEL CONSTRUCTED BUILDING, YOU KNOW, AND IT WOULD FIT IT VERY COMFORTABLY ON TOP OF THAT BUILDING.
I JUST WANTED IT. MAYBE YOU WOULD HAVE BETTER LUCK.
OKAY, WELL, NOT HIS APPLICATION.
WELL, IT'S JUST IT WAS JUST A COMMENT.
I DIDN'T TELL YOU TO LEAVE OR NOT? YES, SIR. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME OUT. ALL RIGHT, WE WILL.
WE WERE CONCERNED, WE WILL PROCEED ON.
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AND IF THERE'S ANYONE NEEDS TO LEAVE, YOU CAN CERTAINLY EXCUSE YOURSELF IF YOU WANT TO STAY FOR THE MEETING THE REST OF THE MEETING, YOU'RE FINE.BUT IF YOU WANT TO EXCUSE YOURSELF, THAT'S FINE TOO.
BUT THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.
APPRECIATE IT. CERTAINLY WELCOME.
OKAY WE'LL CONTINUE DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS TALK ABOUT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SORRY. PER SECTION 15.2-2223 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA, YOU ARE, THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS TO REVIEW AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF ADOPTION OF REVISED SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE PROPOSED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INCLUDES CHAPTERS REGARDING POPULATION, HOUSING, ECONOMY, TRANSPORTATION, PUBLIC EDUCATION, AGRICULTURE, ENERGY, COMMUNITY FACILITIES, ENVIRONMENT, AND LAND USE, AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
THE CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS ADOPTED JUNE 22ND, 2015, AND THE PROPOSED PLAN IS AVAILABLE FOR REVIEW AT SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY DOT ORG, AS WELL AS IN OUR OFFICE OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AT 24283 CHEROENHAKA ROAD, COURTLAND, VIRGINIA.
THIS IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN YOU ALL HAVE BEEN WORKING ON SINCE 2019.
IT'S BEEN A LONG JOURNEY INTERRUPTED BY COVID AND SOLAR AND BUT HERE YOU ARE AT THE END.
IF YOU LIKE THAT, YOU LIKE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I WAS LOOKING FOR OF THE FOUR PICTURES ALONG THE SIDE, THE TOP ONES PEANUTS.
THE SECOND ONE IS FORESTRY, THE BOTTOM ONE IS COTTON AND THE THIRD ONE IS ONE THAT HAS HUMANS IN IT.
IT'S AT THE AGRICULTURE AND FORESTRY MUSEUM IN COURTLAND.
AND A PICTURE OF THE BRAND NEW, ALMOST COMPLETED COURTHOUSE.
SO I SEE ALL FOUR PICTURES HAVE HUMANS IN IT, BUT CABS ARE THE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.
BUT YOU KNOW, THEY SAY, YEAH, IT'S HARD TO SEE.
IT'S. I WAS LOOKING FOR SOME PHOTOGRAPH THAT YOU COULD SEE.
ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THE.
ANY COMMENTS ON THE PLAN? I KNOW WE'VE KIND OF DONE THIS CHAPTER BY CHAPTER, BUT NOW IT'S ALL BEEN PUT TOGETHER.
IS THERE ANY ANYTHING JUMP OUT AT YOU OR ANYTHING THAT WE MISSED OR MISQUOTED OR, AND HOW ABOUT THE COVER PAGE? THIS WILL BE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BOOKLET.
AND WELL, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT THE LAST MEETING.
I LIKE IT PERSONALLY, BUT I THINK IT WAS GOOD.
AND ANYTHING YOU WANT TO CHANGE OR NOW IT'S TIME TO DO IT.
AND I DON'T WANT TO HURT ANYBODY'S FEELINGS WHO DID THIS COVER, BUT, I MEAN, COULD WE INCORPORATE SOMETHING WITH THE RIVERS THAT WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY? A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE TO FISH.
A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE TO HUNT SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, MAYBE.
I THINK I THINK WE CAN GET SOME FEED BLOWBACK FROM THE COURTHOUSE, THE EXPENSE OF IT.
AND WHY IS THAT SO PROMINENT IN THE PICTURE? THAT'S JUST MY INITIAL THOUGHT.
I GUESS. WELL, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU MY VIEWPOINT BECAUSE IT'S BEING IT'S ALMOST COMPLETED.
CORRECT. I MEAN, IT'S ALMOST GOING TO BE REOPENED.
SO I GUESS THAT'S KIND OF A SIGNIFICANCE WHEN YOU LOOK BACK.
AND NOT ONLY IN THE RIVER, BUT THE GROUNDWATER.
WELL, IF THEY'RE CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, ROOM TO RESHAPE THIS AND SHRINK THIS DOWN MAYBE A LITTLE BIT COULD SHRINK THAT DOWN OR THESE FOUR ALONG THE SIDE PUT, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER MAKE THESE A LITTLE BIGGER.
SO IT'S A STRIP OF FIVE AND HAVE THIS THING.
WE GOT A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES IN THE COUNTY.
TWO PLANS AGO THE COVER WAS A PHOTOGRAPH OF A HOUSE, I CAN'T, I COULD HAVE TOLD YOU WHICH ONE.
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IT WAS A HISTORIC HOUSE AND THE ONE BEFORE THAT WAS AN ARTIST'S RENDERING OF THE COURTHOUSE.SO THE HISTORIC HOUSE WAS THE HUTCHINS HOUSE..
OKAY. YEAH, I REMEMBER THAT ONE.
WITH THE THE HOUSE AND THE DAIRY BARN, I BELIEVE.
IS THAT RIGHT? I THINK DEERPATH FARMS. I THINK THAT'S WHAT I THINK.
IT'S JUST A THOUGHT. RESHAPE THESE THINGS AND AND IF YOU WANT THE COURTHOUSE A LITTLE LESS PROMINENT AND MORE OUTDOOR ACTIVITY OR OUTDOOR NATURE, WE CAN DO THAT.
WHAT DO YOU, WHAT? ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I HEAR, MR. LEE.
THAT'S FINE. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
YEAH. CAN WE LET MISS LEWIS KINDA PLAY WITH A FEW? SURE. PLAY WITH HER COMPUTER AND SEE IF SHE CAN FIGURE IT OUT.
THAT'S, IT'S NO BIG DEAL TO ME.
WOULD YOU WANT TO DO THE COURTHOUSE TO INCORPORATE SOMETHING WITH THE WITH THE REBELS? PUT A BLIMP UP THERE WITH THE MOVE.
MOVE THE TEXT AND PUT THE MOVE THE TEXT UP INTO THE SKY OF THE COURTHOUSE.
IF YOU THINK BACK OF THE PERIOD THAT BETWEEN THE LAST COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THIS ONE, THE COURTHOUSE HAS BEEN A BIG PART OF COUNTY DISCUSSION.
YOU GOT A THOUGHT? I HAVE ANOTHER ISSUE.
YES, MISS LEWIS, I'M LOOKING AT THE COURTLAND FUTURE LAND USE, AND I'M ON THIS PAGE RIGHT HERE.
IS IT MARKED? IT JUST SAYS FUTURE LAND USE COURTLAND PLANNING AREA.
YEAH. WE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS TO TRY AND GET RESIDENTIAL AROUND THE SEWER AND WATER AND MOSTLY THE SEWER TO GET OUR PLANT THAT WE ARE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY.
AND I THINK THE PINK AREA IS BEHIND MY OFFICE.
THAT'S WHERE SB CAMP, WHICH I THINK HAS ALREADY BEEN PLATTED.
AND WHY DON'T WE HAVE AT LEAST I'M THINKING OF BOB EDWARDS FARM.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH WHERE THEY JUST LOG PART OF IT.
AND IT'S A GREAT BIG OLD FARMHOUSE.
AND CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, MY POSITION ABOUT FARMLAND, BUT I THINK IN SOME AREAS LIKE THAT WHERE THERE'S SEWER AVAILABLE, I THINK WE'RE BEING NEGLIGENT IF WE DON'T TRY TO FILL.
AND REALLY THAT'S THAT'S ALL THAT'S LEFT FROM ALL THE WAY FROM BOB EDWARDS FARM.
AND I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS.
IT'S ALL THE WAY DOWN, DOWN CAMP PARKWAY TO THE SCHOOL.
SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT WHERE YOU WERE TALKING? YEAH. IT JUST LOOKS HODGEPODGE, KIND OF BECAUSE WE HAVE THE COMMERCIAL AND I GET THAT.
BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE AND WE HAVE THAT IN THE BACK OF MY OFFICE, WHICH IS ALREADY DONE.
I THINK WE SHOULD KEEP IT THAT WAY BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S BEEN PLANTED.
IT JUST HAS NOT SOLD OR EVEN IF IT'S FOR SALE, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT I THINK WE SHOULD FOLLOW THE WHERE THE HOOK UPS ARE ALL THE WAY, WHICH LEFT BECAUSE WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT ANY MORE. LET'S SAY I THINK THAT AREA RIGHT THERE IS THE ONLY PLACES A DEVELOPER COULD HOOK UP TO THE SEWER, RIGHT? I MEAN, SO SHOULDN'T WE MAKE THAT SIDE? THE. MEDIUM DENSITY, AND I THOUGHT WE ALREADY HAD DONE THAT, BUT IT'S NOT REFLECTED HERE.
YOU HAVE NOT MADE ANY CHANGES SINCE.
WELL, WOULD THAT BE INTUITIVE, MISS LEWIS, OR AM I? I'M SHADY BROOK AREA.
HOW ABOUT THAT? WOULD YOU MARK ON HERE EXACTLY WHERE THAT IS? WELL, I BELIEVE THAT'S SB CAMP OR CAS CAMP PROPERTY, AND THAT'S THAT'S STORY STATION, RIGHT? RIGHT. SO I THINK BOB EDWARDS WOULD PROBABLY BE WHERE THE PURPLE STARTS.
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AND THAT'S A PRETTY LARGE FARM.AM I GOING THE WRONG DIRECTION? YOU GOT TO GO EAST OF THERE.
YEAH, YEAH, YOU GOT TO GO BACK TOWARDS FRANKLIN.
YEAH. BECAUSE THAT'S STORY STATION RIGHT THERE.
RIGHT? RIGHT ABOVE THE RED, RED AREA.
BUT THIS IS YOUR PIECE RIGHT HERE THAT YOU OWN THE RED SO I'M ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD HERE.
WHEN YOU SAY LOGGING, THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I KNEW WHERE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.
BECAUSE THIS IS DOWNTOWN COURTLAND.
SO IT'S GOING TO BE ON THIS SIDE OF THE ROAD.
AND THAT ISN'T THAT STORY STATION RIGHT THERE? YES IT IS. OKAY, SO MINE WOULD BE RIGHT THERE.
WELL, THAT'S WHY YOU NEED TO A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT BECAUSE THE LITTLE STRIP OF YOURS.
BUT NO BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS AREA THIS WAY OF BEING PINK ALSO.
ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE ROAD AS YOU, OR ACROSS THE STREET? SAME SIDE OF THE ROAD. OKAY, SO YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THIS ORANGE PIECE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SOUTHAMPTON PARKWAY AS IT CURVES INTO CAMP PARKWAY, NOT BE COMMERCIAL, BUT BE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL? YES, FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF PROMOTING A DEVELOPER TO TIE INTO THE SEWER BECAUSE THAT THAT IT RUNS ALL THE WAY FROM THE SCHOOL ALL THE WAY DOWN TO MY STORAGE FACILITY, THE PUMP STATION BEHIND SHADYBROOK AND IT RUNS STRAIGHT UP TO 58, COMES ACROSS 58 AND THEN RUNS STRAIGHT DOWN TO THE SCHOOL.
NOW THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN WE WERE TALKING TO.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE MAKING THAT SUGGESTION, AREN'T YOU ASSUMING THAT THE A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS IS NOT GOING TO BE UTILIZING UTILITIES? I MEAN, I WOULD THINK COMMERCIAL THEY'RE NOT GOING TO USE THEM LIKE RESIDENTIAL IS, AND THAT WAS THAT WAS THE CONTEMPLATION.
BECAUSE I REMEMBER BECAUSE I WAS OPPOSED TO IT.
BUT IF YOU'RE CONSIDERING MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL RATHER THAN LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, WOULD PERHAPS THE MIXED USE PLAN DESIGNATION LIKE YOUR PROPERTY IS BECAUSE THAT PERMITS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE.
I AGREE. MY POINT IS TO PROMOTE ANYTHING TO TIE IN.
I WANT TO LEAVE IT AS EASY AS POSSIBLE FOR A DEVELOPER.
SO MIXED USE A RESIDENT, LIKE IF SOMEONE WANTS TO PUT IN 100 HOUSES, THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR INCONSISTENT AND THE DESCRIPTION OF MIXED USE.
AND I'M JUST TALKING OUT LOUD.
I CAN'T BELIEVE Y'ALL REZONE OR HAD THAT INDUSTRIAL ON THE PROPERTY WE LOOKED AT EARLIER AND THE PUBLIC HEARING WELL, BECAUSE WELL, THAT WAS KIND OF A BLANKET. NO, I'M JUST WHEN YOU LOOK.
YEAH. WHEN YOU LOOK ON PAGE 152, THE DEFINITION OF MIXED USE SAYS THIS CLASSIFICATION INCLUDES COMPACT NODES OF DEVELOPMENT THAT INCLUDE A MIX OF COMMERCIAL, OFFICE, PUBLIC AND MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL USES IN VARYING PROPORTIONS.
RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THIS CATEGORY IS LIMITED TO 3 TO 10 UNITS PER DEVELOPABLE ACRE, INCLUDING DETACHED AND ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING AS WELL AS MULTIFAMILY HOUSING.
SO. PERHAPS THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE THAN CONSIDERING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT RIGHT ON THAT PIECE OF ROADWAY.
YOU COULD ALWAYS DO WHAT WE DID TONIGHT.
AND I PICKED A MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
BECAUSE I JUST RECENTLY TALKED TO KASS CAMP ABOUT THE PIECE IN THE BACK.
BUT 3 TO 10 UNITS AN ACRE WOULD PERMIT HOMES ON QUARTER ACRE LOTS, WHICH IS PERHAPS WHAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING RATHER THAN ONE ACRE LOTS.
AND I'M NOT GETTING INTO THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND THE DEFINITION GOES ON TO SAY, MIXED USE AREAS ARE ENCOURAGED TO INCORPORATE ELEMENTS OF TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY ROAD DESIGN, CONNECTIVITY OF ROAD AND PEDESTRIAN NETWORKS BOTH WITHIN THE AREA AND ABUTTING PROPERTIES, AND PRESERVATION OF NATURAL AREAS AS APPROPRIATE.
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AND THE MIXED USE DESIGNATION.THAT'S THE PURPLE. MIXED USE AREA SHALL BE DEVELOPED IN CONJUNCTION WITH A MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THAT'S PURPLE, LIKE YOUR PROPERTY IS TODAY.
THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON ACRE LOTS, BUT IT INCLUDES 3 TO 10 ACRES.
3 TO 10 UNITS AN ACRE, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
IT WOULD INCLUDE DUPLEXES, TOWNHOUSES, SOME HIGHER DENSITY.
THIS AS DENSITY BONUSES FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF SENIOR HOUSING MAY BE AVAILABLE AS WELL.
SOME SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, SOME SMALLER, SENIOR TARGETED RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, BUT INDIVIDUAL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND THEN PERHAPS ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY.
I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT.
AND BECAUSE WHERE THEY CUT BOB OUTWARD, IT OPENED THAT AREA UP.
AND IT'S JUST VERY WET BACK THERE.
LIKE, WE JUST SAW THE CUL DE SAC IF SOMEBODY WOULD PUT A ROAD DOWN THERE AND PUT 60 NICE, YOU KNOW, 400,000, 300,000, YOU KNOW, LIKE KING AND QUEEN TYPE HOUSING.
THAT WOULD REALLY BE A PERFECT SPOT.
AND THEN THEY COULD TIE INTO OUR SEWER SYSTEM AND JUMP IT UP 20%.
BUT MAYBE I'LL LIVE IN A PERFECT WORLD.
BUT IT JUST LOOKS LIKE A GOOD SPOT.
BUT. I MEAN, I'M JUST THINKING OUT LOUD BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS TO HAVE SOME FORESEEABILITY, AND WE PUT THAT THERE.
SO WE HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE NEXT GENERATION AND TRY TO SAY, HEY, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT THERE.
I'M NOT AGAINST THAT EITHER FOR SOME BIG COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, BUT I JUST DON'T FORESEE SOME GREAT BIG COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING THERE. I WISH IT WOULD BECAUSE IT WOULD HELP MY TAXES GO DOWN WITH THE ASSESSMENTS THAT I JUST GOT.
COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT PAYS TAXES, HOUSES DON'T.
BUT WE STILL HAVE TO FILL UP OUR SEWER PLANT.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S GOING TO ALLEVIATE THAT PROBLEM IS HOUSES.
COMMERCIALS NOT.. A FEW HOUSES ARE NOT GOING TO DO THAT.
LIKE I SAID, WE LOSE MONEY ON HOUSES, WHAT A $1.54 FOR EVERY DOLLAR WE GET FROM A HOUSE.
I JUST DON'T FORESEE A BIG COMMERCIAL PROJECT COMING IN THERE BEFORE.
I'M TRYING TO JUST BE REALISTIC.
WHAT'S GOING TO COME IN THE NEXT 50 YEARS? YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME SMALL, SMALLER PROJECTS ALONG 58 LIKE WE'VE GOT NOW, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
MAYBE I'M JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
I JUST I'M LOOKING AROUND AND..
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I MEAN, I COULD GO WITH THE IDEA.
I MEAN, I KIND OF LIKE THE MIXED USE DESIGNATION AND WE'RE ONLY CHANGING THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WE'RE NOT REZONING THE PROPERTY.
RIGHT. SO IT'S NO, NOT THAT IT'S A VISION.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA MYSELF.
I'D BE IN FAVOR. I LIKE I LIKE THE MIXED USE, I LIKE TO MIX USE.
AND THE MIXED USE DESIGNATION IS IF YOU THINK OF, OF A RANGE OF FROM RESIDENTIAL TO INDUSTRIAL, MIXED USE IS LESS INTENSIVE THAN STRICTLY COMMERCIAL.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE MOVING IT.
DOWN AND MAKING IT MORE HUMAN SCALE THAN JUST ALL COMMERCIAL.
IT LOOKS IT ENCOURAGES NEIGHBORHOODS THAT YOU TRIED TO LOOK AT BEHIND THE SCHOOL LAST YEAR AND THAT 60 YEAR, 100 ACRES BEHIND THE SCHOOL.
AND EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE I'M TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE THEY'VE OPENED IT UP.
THERE'S A LOT MORE SPACE THERE.
YEAH. SO I JUST ENVISIONED THAT THAT WOULD BE A GREAT SPOT.
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SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, TO MAKE A MOTION TO DO THAT, THIS IS THE TIME TO DO THAT, BECAUSE TONIGHT IS YOUR PUBLIC HEARING.YOU CAN MAKE THOSE KINDS OF CHANGES NOW.
I MAKE A MOTION WE CHANGE THAT TO MIXED USE.
DO WE NEED DO WE NEED TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING? ARE WE PART OF THE PUBLIC? THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING.
HAVE I GONE THROUGH THE FORMALITY? YES. I HAVE. OKAY.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO MAKE THE CHANGE.
GO AHEAD. DO WE HAVE TO GIVE YOU, LIKE, THE AREA OR THE TAX PARCEL, OR ARE WE JUST DOING A BROAD OVERVIEW? WELL, IF IT IS THE ORANGE AREA THERE IN THE CURVE.
SO ARE WE GOING ALL THE WAY TO THE BRIDGE THERE? THAT WHOLE FARM THERE.
I GUESS IT WOULD BE STARTING WITH THE PURPLE GOING ALL THE WAY TO THE ORANGE, RIGHT? GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE GOING TOWARD FRANKLIN PARKWAY.
CAN I WRITE ON THIS? THAT'S FRANKLIN, THAT'S THERE.
SO FROM THE BRIDGE, IS THAT CORRECT? FROM THE BRIDGE BACK TO THE CAMP PARKWAY.
GOTCHA. OKAY, SO IT'S ON YOUR MAP.
IT IS RIGHT ABOUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PAGE.
THE ORANGE RIGHT THUMB SHAPED AREA ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SOUTHAMPTON PARKWAY AS IT CURVES UP INTO CAMP PARKWAY, RIGHT? YES, BUT LEAVE THE AREA BEHIND IT AND FURTHER TOWARD FRANKLIN ON CAMP PARKWAY IS STRICTLY RESIDENTIAL, AND THE GOOD THING IS THAT IT REMAINS A ONE.
YOU GOTTA GO THROUGH THE REZONING PROCESS.
IS THAT A WOODED FROM THE CAMP PARKWAY UP TO THE FIRST HOUSE OR FARMHOUSE.
IS THAT LOW OR IS THAT VERY LOW? VERY LOW. THAT'S VERY LOW.
THE PART THAT'S BEEN CUT IS VERY LOW.
BUT THEY ONLY CUT HALF THE FARM.
I MEAN, I'M, I'M GIVING YOU MY IMPRESSIONS AND LOOKING AT.
SO IT'S NO NEED TAKING IT ANY FURTHER THAN THAT LOW WHY IT'S BEEN CUT THAT LOW AREA.
WITH THE HORSES. THE HORSES? YEAH. YEAH, I THINK.. SO RIGHT UP TO THAT.
THAT'S THE FIRST ONE. I THINK THE HORSE WOULD BE RIGHT ABOUT HERE.
YEAH. AND THEN THE STATE POLICE IS RIGHT ON THIS SIDE, RIGHT.
SO DO YOU NEED A SECOND, I GUESS.
I THINK, MISS LEWIS, I THINK SHE'S GOT I JUST WANT TO BECAUSE.
YES, MA'AM. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING AND YOU'RE GOING TO AT THE END OF THE MEETING TONIGHT, HOPEFULLY RECOMMEND THIS TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. SO I'LL SEND THIS TO THE TO KING MOORE AND HAVE THE MAPPING CHANGED.
OKAY? OKAY. AND THIS IS WHERE IT CAME TO ME.
AND I WAS RIDING WITH MY WIFE AND WE HAD MY SON FROM BRIDGEWATER.
HE WAS WITH US, AND MY DAUGHTER AND MY SON ASKED, WELL, WHERE ARE THESE CONTAINER YARDS IS GOING TO BE THAT Y'ALL HAVE TALKED ABOUT. HE READ IN THE PAPER.
RIGHT. AND WE IDENTIFIED IT STARTS HERE.
YEAH. AND THEN WE KEEP DRIVING.
YEAH, IT'S A HUGE PIECE OF LAND.
SO THAT'S GOING TO TAKE ALL THAT AWAY AND THEN YOU START LOOKING, WELL, WHERE CAN IT GO? THEN YOU HAVE JUST INDIVIDUAL THREE ACRE, FIVE ACRE.
AND THERE'S THAT ONE BIG HOUSE IN THE BACK THAT'S MAYBE 20 ACRES, MAYBE 50, I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF BIG BLOCKS OF LAND THROUGH THERE. SO THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY PLACE THAT'S LEFT WHERE SOMEONE COULD PUT IN THEORY, LIKE A KING.
AND I'M USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE.
OKAY. AND IF YOU HAD A MIXED USE DESIGNATION RATHER THAN JUST MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, YOU'D HAVE ONE ENTRANCE OR TWO ENTRANCES OFF SOUTHAMPTON PARKWAY, NOT INDIVIDUAL DRIVEWAYS.
THEN VDOT WOULD RECOMMEND OFFSETS SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WE HAVE A PROPER MOTION A SECOND.
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ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE VOTE? ALL RIGHT. NOW I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE.OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER CORRECTIONS OR AMENDMENTS TO THE COMP PLAN? AND MISS LEWIS, I'M JUST GOING TO.
I MEAN, IS IT OKAY TO LET MISS LEWIS COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF WAY OF INCORPORATING THE PICTURE OF THE RIVER OR THE RIVERS? SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO SEE IT AGAIN, BECAUSE THE NEXT TIME IT WILL GO BEFORE OUR GOVERNING BODY, WE WON'T SEE IT AGAIN UNLESS SHE SENDS IT TO US.
AND I HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT SHE'LL GET IT RIGHT.
WELL, I CAN GET ONE MORE MEETING BEFORE.
RIGHT. OKAY. WELL, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT'S LIKELY.
YEAH, WELL, MISS LEWIS, COULD YOU HAVE SOMETHING FOR US JUST SO..
MAYBE WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO INCORPORATE THE RULES AND GET ALL I THINK.
SO DO WE NEED TO NOW, WE WE APPROVED THE THE AMENDMENT OR THE THE ADDITION.
NOW, DO WE NEED TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION TO TO SEND IT FORTH TO THE BOARD? THAT'S IT. YOU ARE READY TO DO THAT? YES. OKAY. ARE WE READY? ARE WE READY TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN IN APRIL? OR WOULD YOU SAY WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING? WELL, WELL, YOU WON'T HAVE ANOTHER.
BUT. IT WILL HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADVERTISED, RIGHT? MR. MAYOR, IS THAT OKAY? I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
I KNOW WE'RE NOT. WE CANNOT WE CANNOT SCHEDULE A TIMELINE.
SO. YEAH, THAT'S FINE, I JUST.
AND SHOULD THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE MR. MOBLEY'S REQUEST BEFORE THEY ADOPT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THEN THE FINAL VERSION OF THE PLAN, I'LL SEND THAT TO THE MAPPING COMPANY, TOO.
ARE WE GOOD WITH THE PLAN? I KNOW THE LAST THE LAST TWO MEETINGS, WE'VE EMPHASIZED ABOUT READING THROUGH IT AND COME BACK WITH ANY CHANGES OR AMENDMENTS.
SO THIS WAS KIND OF LIKE OUR FINAL TIME TO COMMENT, BUT I'M NOT RUSHING YOU IF YOU THINK YOU NEED MORE TIME, BUT DO YOU THINK WE'RE READY TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT? MR. CHESSON. YEAH, I WOULD MAKE IT.
I MEAN, I WOULD ASK THAT IF POSSIBLE, ONCE THE CHANGES ARE MADE TO THE TWO MAPS.
RIGHT. AND THE PICTURE, CAN YOU EMAIL US A LINK? SURE. I'LL SEND IT WHEN I MAKE THE CHANGE FOR THE CAMP PARKWAY PROPERTY.
YEAH, I'LL EMAIL THAT TO YOU AND I'LL EMAIL YOU A COUPLE COVERS.
YEAH, WELL, YOU MEAN YOU JUST EMAIL A LINK? NOT THAT WE HAVE ANY.
I MEAN, IF WE WANT TO CHANGE IT, YOU SHOW UP AT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, RIGHT? EXACTLY. THEY WILL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL.
ALL RIGHT. DO I HAVE A MINUTE? I HAVE A RIGHT.
I HAVE A PROPER MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'D SECOND HAVE A PROPER SECOND NOW.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? IF NOT, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE.
BUT WE ALL, WELL, WE ALL DID IT.
MISS LEWIS, BEFORE YOU RETIRE, WE WANT YOU TO DO PLENTY OF ARTWORK.
WE WANT YOU TO HAVE A LEGACY AND A MARK IN SOUTHAMPTON.
ALL RIGHT, DON'T PACK YOUR BAGS YET.
GO GET HER TO AUTOGRAPH MY COPY AND COPY.
ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S GO BACK TO OUR AGENDA.
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WE DON'T HAVE ANY UNFINISHED BUSINESS.IS THERE ANY ANY NEW BUSINESS? NO. IS IS THERE ANY UPDATES?
[VII. UPDATES]
I HAVE ONE, YES, SIR.IMPORTANT MEETING MARCH 25TH AT THE FORD CENTER CONCERNING THE SOLAR FARM.
I'M TRYING TO THINK OF A NOT A VERY OFFENSIVE WORD SOLAR FARM PLANT IN SUSSEX, RIGHT? GOT AN IDEA WHAT TIME THAT MIGHT BE.
IT'S AT THE FOUR H CENTER, ISN'T IT? AT THE FOUR H CENTER.
IS THAT A PUBLIC HEARING OR JUST AN INFORMATIONAL? NO, I THINK IT'S JUST A LIKE A TOWN HALL MEETING.
I KNOW THE SUSSEX I TALKED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
SO BUT I TELL YOU, IT SURROUNDS THE 4H CENTER OVER THERE, SO.
AND IT TAKES UP QUITE A BIT OF, QUITE A BIT OF RECREATIONAL LAND.
AND I THINK OUR REPRESENTATIVES HAVE SOME QUESTION ABOUT IT.
I THINK OTTO HAS SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT ACCOUNTING FOR THAT IN THE PAPER.
SO, ANYWAY, IT'D BE AN INTERESTING MEETING.
THEY'RE NOT REALLY UP ABOUT THAT.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
AND ALSO HAVE HEARD THAT THERE ARE 18 MORE SOLAR COMPANIES HAVE WHICH HAVE DESCENDED LIKE FLIES ON THE HONEY IN SUSSEX COUNTY BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE MUCH OF AN ORDINANCE.
THEY DO HAVE, EXCUSE ME. AND THEY DO HAVE OUR ORDINANCE.
TWO OF US HAVE GIVEN THEM OUR ORDINANCE.
OKAY, MISS LEWIS AND MR. DAY AND I WERE JUST DISCUSSING SOME OF THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE PART OF THE SUSSEX COUNTY PROJECT, PERHAPS GO OVER THE LINE INTO SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY.
BUT NONE OF THE PROJECT IN SUSSEX COUNTY IS IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY AT ALL.
IF IF THERE WAS ANY PART OF THIS 8400 ACRES THAT WAS IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
NOW THERE MIGHT BE, FOR EXAMPLE, A 100 ACRE PIECE OF PROPERTY AND HALF OF IT'S IN ONE COUNTY AND HALF OF IT'S IN THE OTHER COUNTY, BUT ONLY THE PART OF THAT TAX PARCEL THAT IS IN SUSSEX COUNTY CAN BE PART OF THIS PROJECT.
THERE'S NO PART OF THIS PROJECT AT ALL IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY.
WITHOUT US. OKAY. THAT'S RIGHT.
THEY CAN'T SUSSEX CAN'T CHANGE THE ZONING OF PROPERTY IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY.
EVEN IF THERE'S A TAX PARCEL THAT IS IN BOTH COUNTIES.
HOW MANY HOW MANY LANDOWNERS ARE INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT.
WELL, I MEAN, ISN'T GRAY LUMBER AND IN A LUMBER COMPANY, AND TIED UP WITH THAT.
YEAH. THEY HAVE THEY HAVE BIG TRUCKS UP THERE AND THEY, THEY HOW MUCH WOULD THEY CONTRIBUTE TO IT? CONSIDERABLY. THE, THE BULK OF THE LAND, 7000 ACRES.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THAT MUCH, BUT THEY'RE THE BULK UP FOR SURE.
IT'S CRAZY. IT OUGHT TO BE AN INTERESTING MEETING.
AND IT MIGHT BE GOOD IF MANY OF US WOULD ATTEND JUST TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON AND WE DID FEEL, I THINK AT ONE MEETING IT WOULD HAVE SOME, SOME SORT OF EFFECT ON THE COUNTY.
HE'S GOING TO HAVE A HUGE IMPACT ON SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY.
AND THAT'S WHY YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE.
NOTICE ALL SIX SOLAR SIGNS IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY BECAUSE IT THINGS TRICKLE OUT.
BUT IT'S GOING TO SURROUND THE FOUR H CENTER.
IT'S GOING TO TRANSFORM THE FOUR H CENTER GETTING GOING THERE AROUND IT I MEAN BUT IT'S GOING TO, IT'S NOT IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, BUT IT ENCOMPASSES 20% OF OUR BORDER.
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YEAH, YEAH. I MEAN, AND CERTAINLY WHILE IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION, IT WOULD IMPACT TRAVEL ON THAT AREA.I MEAN, THE IMMENSITY OF THIS, I MEAN, IT IS AN IMMENSE PROJECT.
ANY OF YOU. ALL THAT FLY AND IN A CESSNA.
AND I WANT A FEW UVA GAMES AND MY SON'S FOOTBALL GAMES, AND WE'VE FLOWN OVER SURREY.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU GO DOWN THE ROAD, YOU SEE TREES THAT KIND OF BLOCKS IT.
BUT THE ENORMITY OF IT ALL, WHEN YOU FLY OVER IT, IT'S VERY IMPACTFUL.
AND THIS IS JUST AMIDST COMPARED TO THE SURREY PROJECT.
AND 3000 OF THOSE ACRES WERE SUPPOSED TO BE IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY.
DOES ANYBODY KNOW THE EXACT FIGURE FOR WHAT THE SOLAR PROJECTS IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THE COUNTY'S TAXES? IS IT $350,000? IS THAT IS THAT A CORRECT NUMBER? I DO NOT KNOW. ANYBODY KNOW? WE HAD NUMBERS IN LIKE 2019.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE BETWEEN THE REAL ESTATE AND THE MACHINE AND TOOLS TAX OR PERSONAL PROPERTY, IT WAS AROUND 300,000, WHICH IS LESS THAN ONE HALF OF 1% OF OUR BUDGET. SO IS IT LUCRATIVE? TO ME IT IS NOT.
I GOT THE IDEA FROM TALKING WITH HIM THAT THE.
ADMINISTRATIVE END OF SUSSEX COUNTY IS ALL FOR IT.
LIKE I SAID, I'VE TALKED TO SEVERAL SUPERVISORS WHO HAVE VERY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
INCENTIVES NOW BY THE STATE GOVERNMENT THAT WILL COME TO THE LOCALITIES.
AND I THINK WE'VE HAD THAT PRESENTATION BEFORE.
IT'S BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF PRODUCTION THAT IT HAS, AND THAT'S SUPPOSED TO OFFSET SOME OF THE TAXES THAT YOU WOULD COLLECT.
BUT I STILL WHEN I THINK ABOUT BECAUSE I SEE IT IN MY NECK OF THE WOODS AND THIS IS, THIS IS SMALL POTATOES TO WHAT THIS PROJECT WOULD BE. BUT FROM THE, FROM SOME OF THE MAPPING THAT I'VE SEEN, LIKE IT SAYS, IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE A FENCE RIGHT DOWN TO THE COUNTY BORDER.
AND I THINK ABOUT THE WILDLIFE.
IT'S GOING TO IMPACT BECAUSE THE WILDLIFE CANNOT PENETRATE.
BUT UNLESS THEY PUT PASSAGEWAYS OR SOMETHING IN SOMETHING, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT PRACTICAL, BUT TO HAVE MILES OF CONTINUOUS FENCE LIKE THAT CAN HAVE A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT ON THE WILDLIFE AS THEIR REGULAR ROUTES, YOU KNOW, GETTING BACK TOWARD THE WATER OR OUT RUNNING THE DEER, DOGS OR WHATEVER.
BUT ANYHOW, I MAKE A JOKE WAS NOT REALLY FUNNY, REALLY.
I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF IMPACT AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
SO THAT WAS ENCOURAGING EVERYONE TO ATTEND THAT MARCH 25TH MEETING.
IF YOU CAN ATTEND AT THE 40 SUMMIT, 7 P.M.
AND I WILL CERTAINLY MAKE AN EFFORT TO TRY TO MAKE THAT.
AND YOU NEED TO KEEP ABREAST OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE THINKING.
MAYBE WE NEED TO RECONSIDER, OR MAYBE WE NEED TO CONVINCE THEM THAT THEY'RE WRONG.
YEAH, I'D LIKE TO HAVE SOME FRIENDS THERE, BUT YOU NEED TO.
YOU NEED TO BE ABREAST OF ALL THE INFORMATION YOU CAN RECEIVE.
IS IT ONE SOLAR COMPANY PUTTING IT ALL IN? I THINK THE COMPANY IS CLEANER AND IT IS THE SOLAR COMPANIES FROM MICHIGAN, I THINK.
ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE NEED TO COME FORWARD BEFORE WE ADJOURN? IS THERE ANY UPDATE ON CAMP PARKWAY? ALL'S QUIET ON THE WESTERN FRONT.
I THINK I CAN TELL YOU IS THE LONGER THIS GOES ON, THE MORE POSITIVE IT WILL BE.
FOR US. HAS IT BEEN ANY MORE COMMUNICATION FROM THE MILITARY.
I THINK THE LONGER THE PROCESS GOES ON, THE MORE CHANCE THAT THE GOVERNMENT WILL UNWIND IT.
I MEAN, IF YOU SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
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IT'S A NATIONAL MOVEMENT.I MEAN, THERE ARE 2 OR 3 STATES NOW WHERE YOU CAN'T.
CHINESE CAN'T BUY ANY LAND IN VIRGINIA.
YOU KNOW, YOU THE CHINESE WANT TO BE THE WORLD'S BIGGEST SUPERPOWER.
THE ONLY WAY THEY GO DO THAT IS IF WE ARE NOT HERE.
AND IF YOU THINK THEY DON'T THINK THAT YOU NEED TO WAKE UP.
WE'RE NOT HERE. LOOK AT TIKTOK.
HOPEFULLY. I MEAN THAT'S A AND THE CHINESE ARE FRANTIC.
THEY'RE PUSHING THINGS LIKE, OH, LOOK HOW MANY JOBS YOU'RE GOING TO BE OUT OF AND THIS AND THAT.
I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S AN ARM OF THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY.
THERE'S NO INDUSTRY, CHINESE INDUSTRY OR BUSINESS THAT IS NOT AN ARM OF THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY.
YOU DON'T SPIN ON THE SIDEWALK IN CHINA UNLESS THEY TELL YOU YOU CAN.
OH, AND LAST MONTH, YOU LOOKED AT A REQUEST THAT WAS GOING TO THE BCA FOR A FENCE, A SIX FOOT FENCE, AND THE REQUIRED FRONT YARD. AND THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS DID NOT GRANT THE VARIANCE THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS WERE SEEKING.
AND I BELIEVE THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE GOING TO APPEAL THAT TO THE CIRCUIT COURT SYSTEM.
BUT THERE WASN'T ANY I DIDN'T HEAR ANY DISCUSSION AT THE BOARD OF THE BCA.
MR. CHESSON CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG FOR THIS BOARD TO CONSIDER CHANGES TO THE FENCE ORDINANCE IN GENERAL, THAT IT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE BCA MEETING THAT IF THIS WAS GRANTED, THEN EVERYBODY COULD DO IT.
OKAY. IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED, CALL THE OFFICE.
I'LL GIVE YOU THE NAME OF THE GENTLEMAN YOU CAN TALK TO.
WHO'S AHEAD OF HIS NAME IS DAN BURKE.
HE HAS TALKED TO US EVERY TIME WE WANTED TO.
EVERY TIME I CALL HIM UP, HE'S EITHER CALLED TO US OR CALLED BACK.
AND THIS IS UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE THE AIR FORCE.
THE AIR FORCE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS SORT OF NATIONAL SECURITY.
OKAY, I KNOW, I MEAN, HE'S TALKED TO ME EVERY TIME I'VE CALLED.
I THINK WILLIAM HART'S CALLED HIM A NUMBER OF TIMES AND SENT EMAILS.
WOW. WHAT'S HIS NAME? DAN WHAT? DAN BURK, B.U.R.K.
I'LL GIVE YOU HIS NAME AND HIS I MEAN, HIS HE'S GOT SEVERAL PHONE NUMBERS AND EMAIL.
I'LL BE GLAD TO GIVE YOU ALL THAT.
YEAH. ALL RIGHT BEFORE WE ADJOURN, I'M GOING TO ASK AS WE LEAVE TONIGHT.
JUST JUST REMEMBER MISS LYNETTE ALSTON'S REMEMBER HER AND HER FAMILY AS HER HER HUSBAND'S HEALTH IS DETERIORATING, AND THAT'S WHY SHE'S NOT HERE TONIGHT.
AND MISS LEWIS WAS KIND ENOUGH TO FILL ME IN EARLIER BEFORE WE STARTED.
SO JUST THINK, JUST THINK ABOUT HER.
AND IF YOU CAN REACH OUT AND GIVE HER A CALL, I KNOW SHE WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
SO I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD LEAVE AND NOT BE ALL BE AWARE OF THAT.
BUT JUST KEEP HER IN YOUR PRAYERS, PLEASE.
SO THAT. THAT BEING SAID I'M GOING TO TAKE A MOTION TO FILE ADJOURNMENT.
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION AND BEING HERE TONIGHT.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.