[I. CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL] [00:00:03] GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. I'M GOING TO ASK BEFORE WE GET STARTED WITH OUR MEETING TONIGHT, IF WE WILL ALL STAND AND WE WILL RECITE OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO OUR FLAG. I'M GONNA ASK IF EVERYONE WOULD REMAIN STANDING. MR. CHESSON, WOULD YOU MIND LEADING US IN A SHORT INVOCATION, PLEASE? THANK YOU. YOU'D LIKE TO PRAY WITH ME, PLEASE DO. DEAR FATHER, LORD, WE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE STRENGTHENING ENERGY YOU'VE GIVEN US TO BE ABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT. LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE ABILITY TO READ THE LITERATURE AND THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE BEEN GIVEN TO US AND TO BE ABLE TO CONTEMPLATE THAT. LORD, WE JUST THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE THOUGHT PROCESS THAT YOU GIVE US. LORD, HELP US AND USE THAT. GIVE US MORE WISDOM IN THIS PROCESS. LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS COUNTY, AND WE THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO MAKE DECISIONS REGARDING THE LAND USE AND RECOMMENDATIONS. LORD, BE IN THOSE DECISIONS. BE IN OUR CONVERSATIONS, OUR DISCUSSIONS. HELP US BE MORE LOVING, MORE CARING. I PRAY THESE THINGS IN YOUR SON'S NAME. AMEN. YOU MAY ALL BE SEATED. THANK YOU, MR. CHESSON. I'D LIKE TO WELCOME EVERYONE TONIGHT TO OUR FEBRUARY MEETING, THE PLANNING COMMISSION. IT LOOKS LIKE EVERYONE IS IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT. AND, BELIEVE ME, WE'RE REALLY APPRECIATE, IT'S NICE TO HAVE 100% ATTENDANCE AND APPRECIATE THE EFFORT YOU ALL PUT OUT TO MAKE THIS POSSIBLE. ONE WORD TO NOTE. I LEFT THE HOUSE A LITTLE HASTILY TONIGHT, AND I FORGOT MY READING GLASSES. SO JACK IS GRACIOUSLY, GOING TO HELP ME ALONG IF I NEED IT? WELL, I'M GOING TO TRY TO GET THROUGH IT, BUT, I CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT, BUT I CAN'T SEE THAT FINE PRINT TOO WELL. SO, ANYWAY, JUST LET YOU BE A NOTE OF THAT. SO, WITH EVERYBODY BEING HERE, WE HAVE A, EVERYBODY IN ATTENDANCE. SO ITEM NUMBER TWO WOULD BE THE APPROVAL OF OUR JANUARY MEETING. [II. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] AND, LIKE, EVERYBODY HAS THEIR PACKETS IN FRONT OF THEM. AND AT THIS TIME, I WILL ENTERTAIN ANY COMMENTS, ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS, OR I'LL MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE THE MINUTES, A MOTION TO APPROVE. WE HAVE A PROPER MOTION AND A PROPER SECOND. IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED? SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? LIKE SIGN. AND THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED AS PRESENTED. AND, MISS BAKER, THANK YOU FOR DOING A SWELL JOB ON THAT. OKAY. GOING DOWN ON OUR AGENDA TO ITEM NUMBER THREE IS PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. AND I WILL ENTERTAIN ANYONE AT THIS TIME TO COME FORWARD. IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR REMARKS ABOUT ANYTHING GOING ON IN THE COUNTY. LET'S JUST SAY ABOUT OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS SCHEDULED TONIGHT. SO ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IF ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING ON THEIR MIND, YOU CAN COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME. PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS OPEN. OKAY. IF NOT, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND WE'LL GO DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING. [IV. PUBLIC HEARING] I'M GOING TO EXCUSE MYSELF AT THIS TIME. MR. MANN, WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND. I'M AN OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. CORRECT. LEAVE YOUR GLASSES. IF YOU ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS, I'VE GOT TO SEE IT. ALRIGHT. WELL, ALL RIGHT. SO I CAN TRADE BACK AND FORTH. MR. RANDALL, WE UNDERSTAND PERFECTLY. WOULD YOU BE INVOLVED IN THIS, APPLICATION? SO I'M GOING TO ASK MISS LEWIS. I ALWAYS ASK YOU ANYWAY, BUT WOULD YOU PLEASE PROCEED WITH THE HEARING? WE NEED TO START THIS WITH THE FACT THAT THESE REQUESTS FELL THROUGH THE CRACKS SOMEWHERE. SO THESE WILL HAVE TO BE HEARD NEXT MONTH. OKAY. BOTH THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. IF ANYONE IS HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, YOU CAN CERTAINLY HEAR THEM IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. BUT THESE WILL BE RE-ADVERTISED AND THEY WILL BE HEARD AT YOUR MARCH MEETING. OKAY. WELL, WHAT I'M GOING TO DO THEN I WILL OPEN THE HEARING. THIS IS ON OUR AGENDA AND WE'LL SEE IF ANYBODY WANTS TO COME AND SPEAK, OKAY? [00:05:02] OKAY. SO IS THAT OKAY WITH EVERYBODY. GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE HEARING. THIS IS FOR CPA 202301 FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. THAT'S YOUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO YOU'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING JUST FOR PUBLIC HEARING NUMBER ONE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO AT THIS TIME I'M GOING TO OPEN THE HEARING. IF ANYBODY WANTS TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK. ANYONE? YES, SIR. COME FORWARD PLEASE. AND I'M GOING TO ASK YOUR NAME, SIR, FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. YES, SIR. MY NAME IS BRIAN LANE. SUFFOLK, VIRGINIA. AND I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICATION TONIGHT. THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU. I'M A LAND SURVEYOR, ACTUALLY, SO I'M HERE AS AN AGENT FOR THE OWNERS, AND WE HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS COME UP. WHAT? BETH? PROBABLY AROUND 3:30 TODAY. VDOT HAS CALLED, SO WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF HOMEWORK WE NEED TO DO WITH VDOT. SO WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH THEM. WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST A CONTINUANCE FOR 30 DAYS AND WE'LL HAVE THIS IRONED OUT BY THEN. VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. ANY QUESTIONS, MISS LANE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME FORWARD? OKAY. I WILL CLOSE THIS THIS HEARING. OKAY, SO, MISS LEWIS, I'M JUST GOING TO ASK YOU FOR DIRECTION. DO WE ALSO. YES. NOW, YOU'LL HAVE THIS PUBLIC HEARING FOR RCA 202302. DO WE NEED THE TABLE? THE FIRST ONE. UNTIL NEXT MONTH. IT'S JUST GOING TO BE RE-ADVERTISED SO YOU CAN TABLE IT. YOU CAN CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO, BUT NEXT MONTH IT'S GOING TO BE RE-ADVERTISED AND YOU'LL START OVER. CAN WE JUST DO BOTH OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME? YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I. GOOD. MR. CHESSON, CAN I OPEN THIS HEARING JUST TO GO THROUGH THE PROCEDURAL AND THEN WE DO THEM BOTH TOGETHER. JUST FOR THE RECORD, AS FAR AS THE TABLING GOES, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF WE TABLED IT, I MEAN, WE WOULDN'T HAVE A LOT OF RECOURSE BUT TO PASS IT TO THE NEXT MEETING. IT CAN'T BE TABLED TWICE. SO WE TABLED IT IN HANDICAPS. THE APPLICANT? OKAY. WELL, I'M GONNA ASK FOR SOME GUIDANCE HERE. YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOU. THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION WITHIN 90 DAYS OF A COMPLETE APPLICATION. AND THIS APPLICATION ISN'T COMPLETE YET. YOU'RE STILL WORKING WITH VDOT. SO THAT 90 DAY CLOCK. WELL, I GUESS IT'S CALENDAR. 90 DAY CALENDAR ISN'T GOING TO START UNTIL THE APPLICANT AND VDOT GIVE THEIR FINAL. DONE WITH IT. NOTICE THAT'S WHEN THERE'LL BE A COMPLETE APPLICATION. SO BASICALLY WE DON'T HAVE ANY ACTION TONIGHT. WE DON'T TAKE ANY ACTION. REGARDLESS WE TAKE ANY ACTION TONIGHT. YOU'LL GET IT NEXT MONTH. AND THEY'RE 90 DAYS WON'T START TICKING YET. BECAUSE IT'S RE-ADVERTISED THAT'S WHAT GETS US OFF THE HOOK A LITTLE BIT. RIGHT. THAT'S JUST WHAT WE'LL DO. YEAH. OKAY. RIGHT. OKAY. SO PROCEDURALLY WE WILL OPEN ANOTHER HEARING. IS THAT CORRECT? YEP. YOU CAN OPEN AND CLOSE IT. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? AND I THINK. MR. RANDALL. YES, SIR. COME FORWARD PLEASE. I'M SEEING A LOT OF YOU KNOW, THEY'RE WONDERING WHY THIS IS HAPPENING. I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS. IT. WHEN DID YOU CALL ME? 4:00. OKAY. AND APPARENTLY THEY WANT TO REEVALUATE THE ENTRANCE. IT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING BEFORE THAT 58 WAS NOT AN OPTION. AND WE'RE KIND OF HEARING SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT NOW. I DON'T WANT TO HOLD OUT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, I CAN'T GIVE A SPECIFIC ANSWER, BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD MAKE THE PROPERTY, MORE ACCESSIBLE AND THEN OBVIOUSLY MORE VALUABLE. SO WE WANT TO EXPLORE THAT AND THEY WANT TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK, AND EVALUATE THAT. SO I WAS ASKED IF WE COULD TABLE IT. AND I OBVIOUSLY AM IN NO GREAT HURRY. WHICH IS RARE FOR ME, I THINK. YES, SIR. SO THERE'S JUST TO GET ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. THE APPLICATION MAY BE CHANGED SLIGHTLY. I JUST WE DON'T KNOW. SO WE DON'T WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS. THEY'VE REQUESTED TO LOOK AT IT, WHICH I'M ACQUIESCING TO BECAUSE IT JUST MAKES SENSE. BUT I WAS JUST AS SURPRISED AS YOU AT 4:00, BECAUSE IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. AND I WAS COMMUNICATING WITH JIM HART, WHO CO-OWNS THE PROPERTY WITH ME. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WILLING TO DO BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE MAY HAVE A BETTER ENTRANCE WITH MORE VEHICLES. [00:10:07] THAT'S SAFER WITH A POSSIBLE RIGHT TURN IN OR RIGHT TURN IN AND THEN RIGHT TURN OUT, JUST LIKE AT MY OFFICE. NOW, I CAN'T HOLD OUT THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CASE, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THEY ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT AS A POSSIBILITY, WHICH WOULD BE MUCH MORE DESIRABLE AND SAFER, APPARENTLY. AND THAT WILL BE ALL IN THE REPORT. AND IT WILL BE UPDATED BECAUSE WE JUST LOOKED AT THE STORY STATION ENTRANCE, WHICH IS VERY LIMITED AT THIS TIME. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. RANDALL? SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A TURN LANE IN ON 58. THEY WANT TO LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITY OF IT. SO I'M NOT HOLDING OUT THAT IS DEFINITIVE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT. BUT THAT WAS NEVER AN OPTION BEFORE. AND APPARENTLY THEY WANT TO EVALUATE IT AND THE DATA WITH THE AND I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT THEY WANT TO LOOK AT THAT DATA THROUGH THE STUDY AND UPDATE THE STUDY. I'M NOT MISSPEAKING AM I? OKAY. I'VE GOT THE GIST OF IT. YEAH, I'M TRYING TO DO THE BEST I CAN WITH WHAT I WAS TOLD TODAY, SO I DON'T WANT TO MISREPRESENT ANYTHING, BUT THEY'RE LOOKING AT AN ALTERNATIVE ENTRANCE AND THERE'S REALLY NO ALTERNATIVE BECAUSE THE YOU CAN LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN. IT'S VERY LIMITED ACCESS ON STORE BECAUSE IT'S A VERY LONG STRIP THAT YOU SEE. AND THAT'S JUST THE WAY THE PROPERTY IS SET. AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS KIND OF MUDDLED THERE, BUT I THINK IT WAS THE INTENT THAT ALL OF THAT, SINCE IT'S OUR MAIN AND MAIN TO BE B2 OR B1, A BUSINESS AREA. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. RANDALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE EXPLANATION. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? IF NOT, I'LL CLOSE THIS HEREIN. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING READY TO SAY. ALRIGHT. SO, WE WILL HOPEFULLY SEE THIS AGAIN AT OUR MARCH MEETING [INAUDIBLE] PROGRESS AS WELL. OKAY. SO, MISS LEWIS, CAN WE PROCEED FURTHER NOW? SO, MR. RANDALL, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME BACK UP AND JOIN US. SO THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. ALRIGHT. I'LL TALK TO YOU TOMORROW. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. [V. UNFINISHED BUSINESS] THIS TIME WE'LL PROCEED DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER. THAT WOULD BE ITEM NUMBER SIX. [INAUDIBLE] THREE. FOUR FIVE. YEAH, I MISNUMBERED. THOUGHT MY EYES ARE PLAYING TRICKS WHATEVER NUMBER IT IS WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO GET WELL, IT'S NUMBER SIX. BUT WE'RE GOING TO SAY NUMBER SIX OKAY. IS IT TWO NUMBER SIXES OR THE NEXT NUMBER SEVEN. THAT'S 7. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO TO ITEM NUMBER SIX. UNFINISHED BUSINESS. LAST MONTH YOU WANTED A REPORT OF ALL THE BUILDING AND TRADE PERMITS FOR 2023. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE HERE. MONTHLY REPORTS WHICH APPEAR IN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AGENDA EACH MONTH, TELLS ALL THE PERMITS AND INSPECTIONS THAT WERE ISSUED IN OUR OFFICE THAT MONTH. YOU KNOW THE REVIEW. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S YOU ALL. I HAVE A TENDENCY TO FORGET SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE APPROVED AND WENT FORWARD WITH AND, YOU KNOW, FOR. WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY, A SMALL TOWN, A RURAL COUNTY, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A LOT OF THERE WAS A LOT OF ACTIVITY LAST YEAR. SO WE APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT. RECAP. I KNOW THAT WAS PROBABLY TOOK A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT, BUT WE APPRECIATE THAT. AND, JUST TO BRING YOU UP TO DATE ANYONE WHO HASN'T WHO DIDN'T GO DOWN, HIGHWAY 671 THIS WEEK. THEY STARTED PUTTING UP THE, I'M GONNA CALL THE GRAIN BINS. SOME PEOPLE CALL THEM SILOS. THEY'RE GRAIN BINS OUT AT THE FACILITY, ACROSS FROM THE WHITE TRUCKING. AND, THEY'RE MAKING SOME PRETTY RAPID PROGRESS. THOSE THINGS GO UP PRETTY FAST. BUT, ANYWAY, WE'RE GLAD THE FARMING COMMUNITY IS VERY GLAD TO SEE THAT PROGRESSING ALONG. AND HOPEFULLY THAT'S GOING TO BE OPERATIONAL THIS FALL. SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. AND JUST SINCE I'M TALKING ABOUT NEW THINGS. I HEARD A RUMOR. MRS LEWIS, YOU MIGHT NOT BE AT LIBERTY TO SPEAK, BUT ANYWAY, I HEARD A RUMOR THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BREAK GROUND. FOR THE, DRAKE MIX. FRANKLIN? [00:15:02] GLOBAL. IN ABOUT A MONTH OR SO. THAT'S A RUMOR. ONLY A RUMOR. OKAY, THAT WAS A RUMOR I HEARD OVER THE WEEKEND THAT MAY BE ON TRACK TO BE BREAKING GROUND. THAT'S IN THE FRANKLIN AREA. I THINK IT'S KIND OF BEEN DEAD. I'VE ASKED PEOPLE ABOUT THAT FROM FRANKLIN, AND, IT MIGHT BE, BUT THEY ARE NOT PREPARING VERY MUCH. A RUMOR GOT STARTED, AND I'M LIKE YOU, I'M ANXIOUS TO SEE IT, TOO, BUT, ANYWAY. ALL RIGHT, SO, MISS LEWIS, WOULD YOU GO DOWN TO THE OTHER ITEM? OKAY. LAST MONTH, YOU HAD SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT A PROPOSAL BY VDOT TO ADD AN R CUT. RIGHT. ROAD IMPROVEMENT. I SENT YOU SOME EXCERPTS OF STUDIES ABOUT R CUTS I SENT TO YOUR EMAILS, THE LINKS TO THE ENTIRE STUDY. AND I HAVE TWO VIDEOS IF YOU WANT TO WATCH THEM. IF YOU REMEMBER, THE PLANNING COMMISSION ISN'T GOING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. THIS IS JUST AN FYI KIND OF THING. WELL, RIGHT NOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS LIAISON TO THE BOARD. I WOULD LIKE THE PLANNING COMMISSION DO NOTHING OR DO SOMETHING TO LEAN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER BECAUSE THIS IS COMING UP THE BOARD. AND THAT'S WHY IT CAME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, SO WE COULD GET THE INPUT FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION. WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE BUSINESSES ALONG THAT AREA, HOW THEY WOULD BE AFFECTED, BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE THOSE BUSINESSES BEEN NOTIFIED OR KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. SO, AS THE LIAISON TO THE BOARD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAY SOMETHING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO COME TO THE BOARD THIS MONTH. AND IN THE MATERIAL THAT YOU GOT, THE PAPER THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS, THE FULL STUDY IS ONLINE. AND IT WAS, I DON'T KNOW, A COUPLE HUNDRED, MAYBE 100 PAGES, CLOSE TO 100 PAGES. AND SO YOU CAN READ WHAT THEY FOUND. BUT I'LL TURN ON THOSE. YES, MA'AM. TURN ON THE FIRST VIDEO. OH MY GOSH. OH RIGHT THERE SKIP. OKAY, HERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, VDOT, IN ITS COMMITMENT TO IMPROVING SAFETY AND MOBILITY FOR ALL ROAD USERS IN VIRGINIA, PRESENTS INNOVATIVE INTERSECTIONS AND INTERCHANGES. THE RESTRICTED CROSSING U-TURN, OR R CUT, IS ONE TYPE OF INNOVATIVE INTERSECTION. AN R CUT IS MADE UP OF ONE MAIN INTERSECTION AND TWO MEDIAN CROSSOVER INTERSECTIONS. ALL VEHICLES FROM A SIDE STREET START BY MAKING A RIGHT TURN TO TURN LEFT, OR TO GO THROUGH THE INTERSECTION. SIDE STREET VEHICLES MAKE A U-TURN AT AN ADJACENT MEDIAN OPENING. R CUTS ARE DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE ALL ROADWAY USERS, INCLUDING LARGER VEHICLES SUCH AS SCHOOL BUSSES, EMERGENCY VEHICLES, AND TRUCKS, AS WELL AS PEDESTRIANS AND CYCLISTS. LET'S TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT HOW AN RCUT WORKS FOR MOTORISTS ON THE MAJOR STREET. MOTORISTS TURN LEFT, CONTINUE STRAIGHT AND TURN RIGHT, JUST LIKE AT A CONVENTIONAL INTERSECTION. FROM THE SIDE STREET, ALL MOTORISTS START BY TURNING RIGHT. THOSE WHO WISH TO CONTINUE STRAIGHT OR MAKE A LEFT TURN FROM THE SIDE STREET WILL GO TO THE ADJACENT MEDIAN OPENING AND MAKE A U-TURN. THESE MOTORISTS WILL THEN EITHER CONTINUE STRAIGHT ON THE MAIN STREET OR TURN RIGHT ONTO THE SIDE STREET. PEDESTRIANS AND CYCLISTS CAN ALSO NAVIGATE R CUT PEDESTRIANS. USE MARKED CROSSWALKS TO SAFELY CROSS THE INTERSECTION. CYCLISTS CAN ALSO NAVIGATE THE INTERSECTION USING CROSSWALKS AND PEDESTRIAN PATHS, OR, IF THEY'RE MORE COMFORTABLE, CYCLISTS CAN FOLLOW THE SAME PATHS AS VEHICLES. THERE ARE SEVERAL BENEFITS OF AN ARCHED DESIGN, SUCH AS IMPROVED SAFETY. R CUTS REDUCE THE NUMBER OF POINTS WHERE VEHICLES CROSS PATHS, AND ELIMINATE THE POTENTIAL FOR HEAD ON CRASHES FROM THE SIDE STREETS. INCREASED EFFICIENCY AT AN R CUT EACH DIRECTION OF THE MAJOR STREET OPERATES INDEPENDENTLY, WHICH ESSENTIALLY CREATES TWO ONE WAY STREETS. THIS MEANS THAT THERE ARE FEWER INTERRUPTIONS, AND MORE VEHICLES CAN MOVE THROUGH THE SAME SPACE MORE EFFICIENTLY. SHORTER WAIT TIMES R CUTS CAN DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF TIME MOTORISTS WAIT AT AN INTERSECTION. RCUTS TYPICALLY OPERATE WITH FEWER TRAFFIC SIGNAL PHASES THAN CONVENTIONAL INTERSECTIONS, RESULTING IN LESS STOPPING FOR MAINLINE VEHICLES. TO IMPROVE THE SAFETY AND EFFICIENCY OF VIRGINIA ROADS. VDOT WORKS WITH LOCAL JURISDICTIONS TO FIND THE RIGHT INTERSECTION TYPE FOR A LOCATION, AND THEN TAILORS THE DESIGN TO ITS SPECIFIC NEEDS. TO LEARN MORE ABOUT RCUTS AND OTHER INNOVATIVE INTERSECTION DESIGNS, VISIT VDOT'S WEBSITE AT VIRGINIA.ORG/INNOVATIVE [00:20:07] INTERSECTIONS. HEY, I DON'T HAVE ANOTHER ONE. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, VDOT, IN ITS COMMITMENT TO IMPROVING SAFETY AND MOBILITY FOR ALL ROAD USERS IN VIRGINIA, PRESENTS INNOVATIVE INTERSECTIONS AND INTERCHANGES. OKAY? YES. THE EXAMPLE ON I GUESS IT'S PAGE 4.[INAUDIBLE] SO 3 OR 4 IT IS THE R CUT INTENT TO PUT THE R CUT AND ELIMINATE THE LIGHT. THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION. AND THE SECOND QUESTION WOULD BE IF THAT'S THE CASE. WHERE HAS IT EVER BEEN DONE? BECAUSE I CAN'T RECALL OF ANY MAJOR INTERSECTION WHERE THAT HAS OCCURRED. THE BEST I KNOW IT DOES ELIMINATE THE LIGHT, BUT I'M NOT REAL SURE ABOUT THAT. BUT I THINK SO. THE OTHER THING IS, DID YOU SEE BUSINESSES ALONG THAT THING? AND SO THERE WASN'T THAT WAS WE'RE ASKING COUNTRY. WELL SO THE QUESTION IS WHAT IS IT GOING TO DO YOUR BUSINESS THERE. CAN WE LET'S WATCH THE SECOND ONE BECAUSE IT'S NOT COMPUTER GENERATED, IT'S ACTUAL VIDEOS. AND WHEN YOU SEE A WATER TOWER IN ONE OF THEM THAT SAYS HOLLY SPRINGS, THAT'S HOLLY SPRINGS, NORTH CAROLINA, AND THAT'S WHERE MY DOCTOR'S OFFICE IS. SO I USE IT FREQUENTLY. I HAVE BEEN IN R CUT WHEN IN MY SUV. I AM IN THE LEFT HAND LANE. NEXT TO ME IS A SCHOOL BUS WE BOTH GO THROUGH THE R CUT. THERE IS WHAT'S CALLED A JUGHANDLE, A BUMPED OUT PLACE ON THE OUTSIDE FOR BIGGER VEHICLES TO USE, AND BOTH ME AND MY SUV. AND IN THE SCHOOL BUS WE EACH STAY IN OUR LANE, AND EVEN THE SCHOOL BUS DOESN'T HAVE TO USE THE BUMP OUT. BUT THIS VIDEO SHOWS NOT COMPUTER GENERATED, BUT ACTUAL USERS. ALL RIGHT, LET ME ASK A QUESTION. THERE WAS A BICYCLE LANE ON THE OTHER ONE. IS IT A BICYCLE LANE? SOMETIMES THERE IS, AND SOMETIMES THERE ISN'T. IT ALL DEPENDS. THEY MAKE THE DESIGN FOR EACH ONE. WELL, IT LOOKED LIKE A WHILE AGO. THERE WAS ONE OF THOSE COMPUTER GENERATED. IT HAD TWO LANES, A BICYCLE LANE AND THEN A TURN LANE, WHICH PUT THE BICYCLE OUT THERE BETWEEN TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC. AND THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT IS INFORMATION. IT'S NOT ROAD DESIGN. YEAH. I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT. SO LET'S WATCH THIS ONE. TODAY, OUR COMMUNITIES FACE A GROWING NUMBER OF TRANSPORTATION CHALLENGES AS TRAFFIC VOLUMES GROW AND CONGESTION WORSENS, MOTORISTS, PEDESTRIANS, AND CYCLISTS CONFRONT GREATER RISKS AT INTERSECTIONS. WE NEED BALANCED SOLUTIONS THAT IMPROVE SAFETY AND KEEP PEOPLE MOVING. AT THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION. OUR FIRST PRIORITY IS SAFETY, AND OUR MISSION IS TO IMPROVE MOBILITY FOR ALL USERS OF OUR NATION'S HIGHWAYS. IN SUPPORT OF THESE GOALS, WE'VE BEEN EVALUATING INNOVATIVE INTERSECTION DESIGNS FOR MANY YEARS WHERE THEY'VE BEEN BUILT. TRAVELERS SAVE TIME, AGENCIES SAVE MONEY, AND COMMUNITIES BENEFIT FROM SAFER FACILITIES. ONE INNOVATIVE INTERSECTION DESIGN THE RESTRICTED CROSSING U-TURN, CAN DRAMATICALLY REDUCE CRASHES RELATED TO CROSSING AND TURNING LEFT AT INTERSECTIONS ALONG BUSY MULTI-LANE HIGHWAYS. AT MANY INTERSECTIONS, THE CRITICAL QUESTION IS HOW TO ADDRESS LEFT TURNS. HOW THEY ARE TREATED HAS AN IMPACT ON THE EFFICIENCY OF THE INTERSECTION, AND CAN REDUCE A CRASH TYPE THAT TENDS TO BE QUITE SEVERE. ALTERNATIVE INTERSECTIONS ARE WORTH CONSIDERING BECAUSE THEY DELIVER MORE FOR LESS. THEY GET MORE CARS THROUGH THE SAME SPACES THAN A CONVENTIONAL INTERSECTION, AND THEY DELIVER BETTER SAFETY THAN A CONVENTIONAL INTERSECTION. THE RESTRICTED CROSSING U-TURN OR R CUT INTERSECTION, ALSO KNOWN AS A J TURN OR SUPERSTREET, CHANGES HOW TRAFFIC FROM THE MINOR ROAD ENTERS OR CROSSES THE MAIN HIGHWAY BY RELYING ON A COMBINATION OF RIGHT TURNS AND U-TURNS. MULTI-LANE, HIGH SPEED DIVIDED HIGHWAYS FUNCTION AS VITAL ECONOMIC LINKS BETWEEN CITIES AND COMMUNITIES, REDUCING TRAVEL TIMES AND IMPROVING SAFETY FOR LONGER DISTANCE TRIPS. HOWEVER, ALONG THESE ROUTES, ACCESS FOR LOCAL RESIDENTS AND ADJACENT BUSINESSES IS ALSO IMPORTANT. [00:25:07] INTERSECTIONS. WHILE PROVIDING THIS ACCESS CAN BE CHALLENGING IN THESE ENVIRONMENTS. MOTORISTS CROSSING THE HIGHWAY OR TURNING LEFT FROM THE MINOR ROAD MUST GAUGE TRAFFIC APPROACHING IN BOTH DIRECTIONS ACROSS A WIDE AREA, A DIFFICULT TASK WHEN SPEEDS ARE HIGH. SHOULD A CRASH OCCUR, THE RESULT CAN BE DEADLY. THE R CUT IS AN INTERSECTION DESIGN THAT PROVIDES ACCESS IN A MUCH SAFER WAY, WHILE ALSO IMPROVING OPERATIONS ALONG THE HIGHWAY. LET'S TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT AN EXAMPLE OF AN UNSIGNALIZED R CUT, SOMETIMES CALLED A J TURN. IN A TYPICAL RURAL SETTING, NOTICE THAT TRAFFIC TRAVELING ALONG THE MAIN HIGHWAY CAN STILL CONTINUE THROUGH. TURN LEFT OR TURN RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION. NO DIFFERENT THAN AT A CONVENTIONAL INTERSECTION. WHERE AN R CUT DIFFERS IS IN HOW IT HANDLES VEHICLES ENTERING OR CROSSING THE MAIN HIGHWAY FROM THE MINOR ROAD APPROACHES. CHANNELIZING ISLANDS AT THE INTERSECTIONS FORCED THE MINOR ROAD TRAFFIC TO TURN RIGHT, JOINING THE TRAFFIC ON THE MAIN HIGHWAY. SHORTLY THEREAFTER. A MEDIAN U TURN ALLOWS THE MINOR ROAD TRAFFIC TO PROCEED IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION, THE EQUIVALENT OF A LEFT TURN, OR TO THEN TURN RIGHT AND CONTINUE TRAVEL ALONG THEIR ORIGINAL MINOR ROUTE. THE EQUIVALENT OF CROSSING THE MAIN HIGHWAY AT A CONVENTIONAL INTERSECTION. BY ELIMINATING TWO OF THE HIGHEST RISK MOVEMENTS FROM THE INTERSECTION AND REPLACING THEM WITH U TURNS AND RIGHT TURNS, SAFETY IS SUBSTANTIALLY IMPROVED. THE TOTAL NUMBER OF CONFLICT POINTS ARE REDUCED, AND THOSE THAT REMAIN ARE LESS SIGNIFICANT. MOST IMPORTANTLY, STUDIES SHOW THAT INJURY CRASHES ARE REDUCED MORE THAN 40% AND FATAL CRASHES ARE REDUCED 70% COMPARED TO CONVENTIONAL INTERSECTIONS. ONE OF THE TRADE OFFS WITH R CUT INTERSECTIONS IS THAT VEHICLES ENTERING FROM THE MINOR ROAD TRAVEL SLIGHTLY LONGER DISTANCES AS COMPARED TO A CONVENTIONAL INTERSECTION. HOWEVER, WHEN R CUTS ARE IMPLEMENTED ALONG A SIGNALIZED CORRIDOR, THE AVERAGE TRAVEL TIMES CAN ACTUALLY IMPROVE. HENCE THE NAME SUPERSTREET. THERE IS A RELIABILITY ASPECT WHERE THE SUPERSTREET WILL RELIABLY GIVE BETTER PERFORMANCE TO EVERYBODY ON THAT CORRIDOR, AND SO THE A LITTLE BIT ADDED INCONVENIENCE OUTWEIGHS THE GREATER CAPACITY BENEFITS AND ALSO THE SAFETY BENEFITS. SUPER STREETS ARE VERY SAFE CORRIDOR. ONE OF THE UNIQUE FEATURES OF THE SIGNALIZED R CUT OR SUPER STREET CORRIDOR IS THE ABILITY TO SYNCHRONIZE TRAFFIC FROM ONE INTERSECTION TO THE NEXT, EASILY ADAPTING SIGNAL TIMING TO HEAVY OR LIGHT TRAFFIC VOLUMES. ONE OF THE NICE THINGS ABOUT SUPER STREETS, AND REALLY WHERE THE NAME CAME FROM, IS THAT YOU SEPARATE THE TWO MAIN DIRECTIONS OF TRAVEL ON YOUR MAIN ARTERY. SO WHAT YOU'VE DONE IS CREATED TWO ONE WAY STREETS. SINCE THEY'RE ALL TWO PHASED SIGNALS, YOU ALSO REDUCE THE CYCLE LENGTH, WHICH ALSO INCREASES THE EFFICIENCY. AND YOU HAVE THE DRIVERS ON THE SIDE STREET WAITING A LOT LESS THAN THEY WOULD AT A TRADITIONAL EIGHT PHASE SIGNAL. R CUT INTERSECTIONS HAVE BEEN BUILT WITH PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES INCLUDING MARKED CROSSWALKS, REFUGE ISLANDS AND PEDESTRIAN SIGNALS. WHETHER SIGNALIZED OR UNSIGNALIZED, THE R CUT CAN BE AN EXCELLENT CHOICE FOR INTERSECTIONS ALONG DIVIDED HIGHWAY CORRIDORS. NOT ONLY IS IT SAFER. THE R CUT CAN BE A COST EFFECTIVE CHOICE FOR LOCATIONS WHERE ADDITIONAL CAPACITY, OR EVEN A FULL INTERCHANGE MAY BE NEEDED IN THE FUTURE. ONE OF THE BEAUTIES OF THE SUPERSTREET IS THAT THE FLEXIBILITY YOU HAVE IN IMPLEMENTING IT. YOU CAN TAKE A 30 YEAR DESIGN LIFE FOR A SUPERSTREET, AND YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND ACQUIRE THE RIGHT OF WAY AND PUT IN THE ASPHALT FOR THE DUAL LEFT TURNS AND THE DUAL U TURN MOVEMENTS AND ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU YOU MAY NEED IN THAT 30 YEAR TIME FRAME. THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION ENCOURAGES COMMUNITIES AND AGENCIES TO CONSIDER THE RESTRICTED CROSSING U-TURN TO IMPROVE THE SAFETY AND EFFICIENCY OF EXISTING INTERSECTIONS, AS WELL AS AN OPTION FOR NEW INTERSECTIONS. FOR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE RESTRICTED CROSSING U-TURN AND OTHER INNOVATIVE INTERSECTION DESIGNS, PLEASE VISIT SAFETY.FHWA.GOV. SO THERE'S THE TWO VIDEOS. [00:30:02] YOU HAVE THE WRITTEN MATERIAL, THIS ONE FROM LOUISIANA TRANSPORTATION RESEARCH CENTER TALKS ABOUT STUDIES THEY DID WHERE, OUR HUTS WERE INSTALLED TWO YEARS BEFORE THE HUTS WERE INSTALLED, AND TWO FOR TWO YEARS AFTER THE HUTS WERE INSTALLED FOR ECONOMIC PURPOSES. AND THAT'S. YOU HAVE EXCERPTS THERE, BUT THE WHOLE ONES ONLINE THAT ONE TALKS ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY BEEN INSTALLED IN MICHIGAN AND FOR OVER 50 YEARS, THIS STUDY FINDS THAT THE TAXES GENERATED FROM BUSINESSES IN AREAS THAT ARE CUTS ARE INSTALLED THAT TAXES GENERATED GOES UP. THERE'S MORE BUSINESSES THERE AND THAT BUSINESSES THAT ARE THERE. ONCE THE CONSTRUCTION IS DONE. SEEM TO GENERATE MORE TAXES. THAT'S WHAT THEY FOUND IN LOUISIANA. THIS ONE. THE MIDAMERICA FREIGHT COALITION TALKS ABOUT THEIR STUDIES OF OVERSIZE AND OVERWEIGHT VEHICLES THAT USE OUR. AND HOW WELL THEY USED THOSE. THIS ONE IS FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF CENTRAL FLORIDA THAT TALKS ABOUT SAFETY. YOU CAN WHEN YOU HAVE, PEOPLE COMING FROM A SIDE STREET AND THEY NEED TO MAKE A LEFT TURN. IF PEOPLE DON'T STOP AT THE RED LIGHT COMING FROM THE MAJOR STREET, THE CRASH THAT HAPPENS IS A T-BONE ACCIDENT. AND T-BONE ACCIDENTS ARE VERY SEVERE, AND THOSE ARE LESSENED. VERY MUCH SO. THE ONE STUDY FOUND THAT THE INTERSECTIONS THAT THEY HAD INSTALLED J-TURNS THAT THE FATAL ACCIDENTS FROM T-BONE ACCIDENTS WAS REDUCED TO ZERO BECAUSE THOSE KIND OF THE CARS DON'T EVER COME TOGETHER THAT WAY. SO ANYHOW. BUT HERE'S SOME MATERIAL, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THEY WILL TALK ABOUT IT, I BELIEVE, AT THEIR MEETING LATER THIS MONTH. AND THEN, THE BOARD WILL DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO ASK VDOT TO HELP. APPLY FOR FUNDING FOR THIS IMPROVEMENT, IF THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WANTS TO DO. OKAY. SURE. I'M OPENED UP FOR DISCUSSION TO SAY SOMETHING. GO AHEAD. THIS SECTION HAS BEEN A BONE OF CONTENTION BECAUSE OF SAFETY ISSUES. THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAVE. PLEADED WITH VDOT TO IMPROVE THE SAFETY THERE. YOU NOTICE THE SPEED LIMIT IS 50. YOU WON'T TRY TO GET DOWN TO 45. NEVER HAPPENED. THE GOALIE GETS IN THE WAY OF THE PORT TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH HERE, GOING TO 95 AND 98. AFRAID THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABOUT 3 OR 5 MINUTES LATE. SO WE'VE ASKED THEM TO CONSIDERATIONS FOR SAFETY THINGS AND THEY'RE RELUCTANT TO DO THAT. NOW THIS PROJECT MAY BE 3 TO 6 YEARS FROM NOW OR NEVER. THE OTHER THING. LIKE I SAID, WHAT BOTHERS US SOME UPS ON THE BOARD IS HOW IT AFFECTS THE BUSINESS, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ANYBODY INVOLVED IN BUSINESS. WE THIS, THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE MET LAST MONTH AND SAID NO, TURN THIS DOWN 3 TO 1. NOW I CAN TELL YOU THAT, STAFF, WAS FOR ADMINISTRATION. BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE BOTHERSOME THING ABOUT THIS IS, THIS RELUCTANT TO DO ANYTHING TO SLOW THIS TRAFFIC DOWN. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAD ANOTHER BAD WRECK, LAST WEEKEND, A COUPLE NIGHTS AGO. YEAH. AND, THAT'S THE STORY I, I'M VERY DUBIOUS ABOUT, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE BUSINESSES DOWN THERE. THAT'S OUR COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR. IF YOU SEE THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE SHOWING TONIGHT, THERE AREN'T ANY BUSINESSES THERE. THEY'RE ALL RURAL. HOW LONG HAVE THEY HAD THE ONE DOWN IN CAROLINA? [00:35:03] DID YOU USE? IT'S ON NC 55. IT'S PROBABLY BEEN THERE. 10 OR 12 YEARS ON, THE ONE THAT I USE ON THE CORNER WHERE MY DOCTOR'S OFFICE IS. IT'S A DUKE MEDICAL CENTER, SO IT'S A 5 OR 6 STORY MEDICAL CENTER THAT HAS AN EMERGENCY ROOM ON THE FIRST FLOOR, AND 4 OR 5 STORIES OF MEDICAL OFFICES. ON THE OTHER CORNER IS A BIG BOX CENTER THAT HAS THE TYPICAL TARGET KOHL'S, MICHAEL'S, DICK'S SPORTING GOODS, EVERY, YOU KNOW, APPLEBEE'S AND WHATEVER RESTAURANT YOU CAN IMAGINE. ALL RIGHT. SO MY QUESTION IS THIS I FOLLOW GPS DAILY. AND IF IT GOES TO A DEAD END STREET, I'M TAKING IT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT GPS IS TELLING ME TO DO. GPS PICKED UP ON THAT OR CUT DOWN IN CAROLINA VERY WELL. AND SO IT'S WORKING DOWN THERE. YES. SO THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE WHATSOEVER AT THIS POINT OKAY. IS IT SIGNALED BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A BIG FACTOR IF IT'S SIGNALED OR NOT SIGNALED BECAUSE IF 58 WAS NOT SIGNALED. THERE IS NO WAY THAT WOULD WORK IN THE SUMMER ON A FRIDAY AFTERNOON, BECAUSE I CAN BARELY GET OUT OF MY OFFICE. THE ONES ON 55 THAT I USE HAVE ALL BEEN THERE IN HOLLY SPRINGS THE LIKE YOU WANT THE LEFT TURN WHEN YOU GO UP TO MAKE THE LEFT TURN THAT IS SIGNALIZED. THAT'S ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS. IT DOES WORK WITH LOW TRAFFIC LEVELS, BUT NOT WITH HIGH, MEDIUM OR HIGH TRAFFIC LEVELS. AND THIS ROAD, NC 55, LEADS DIRECTLY TO RTP. THE RESEARCH TRIANGLE PARK IS THE WAY THAT PEOPLE IN SOUTHERN WAKE COUNTY AND THE COUNTIES SOUTH OF WAKE COUNTY, HARNETT AND JOHNSON, ALL GET TO THE RESEARCH TRIANGLE PARK, WHICH EMPLOYS, I THINK PROBABLY 60 TO 70,000 PEOPLE WORK THERE A DAY. BUT WHAT I MEAN, SO THEY APPROVE A PROJECT, THEY TRY TO GET FUNDING. I DON'T THINK THE LOCALITY CAN DICTATE. WELL, WE WANT ONE THAT SIGNALED. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THAT WE HAVE THAT POWER. WELL, THAT WOULD WORK WITH SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. SHOULD SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY DECIDE TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS, THEY CERTAINLY WOULD WORK IN THE DESIGN OF THE FACILITY WITH THE COUNTY. I JUST THINK THAT'S A BIG CONSIDERATION BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE TWO THINGS. AND, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH THIS LAST TRAFFIC STUDY. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE MY TURN LANE AND DEACCELERATION LANE. AND THAT WAS $65,000. 14 YEARS AGO. I'M GETTING OLD, BETH. SO IT'S MORE THAN TEN. YES. SO IT'S THE PRICING IS PROBABLY UP WITH INFLATION. 120 NOW AT LEAST DOUBLED WITH COST OF CONCRETE AND. SO 10% A YEAR INCREASE. SO AND YOU CAN SEE THE DECELERATION LANE. AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW ALL THAT ASPHALT THE OWNER HAS TO PAY FOR THAT WHICH I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE. BUT YOU'RE BANKING ON YOU CERTAINLY DON'T GET THAT MONEY BACK WITHIN FIVE YEARS. SO IT'S JUST LIKE ANY OTHER INVESTMENT THAT THE GAS STATIONS OR THE RESTAURANTS, THEY WANT TWO THINGS. THEY WANT TRAFFIC COUNT. AND THEY WANT EASY IN AND EASY OUT. THAT'S IT. THAT'S WHAT A GAS STATION IS GOING TO LOOK AT. AND THAT'S WHAT A BURGER JOINT OR WHATEVER IS GOING TO LOOK AT, BECAUSE THEY'RE BANKING ON THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING BY THEIR SIGN ARE GOING TO PULL IN IF IT HAS EASY ACCESS. THAT'S WHY YOU SEE A LOT OF THE BURGER JOINTS THAT ARE CLOSING UP, YOU KNOW, AND A LOT OF THE BIGGER LOCALITIES, WHEN THEY CHANGE THE TRAFFIC PATTERN, IT CAN PUT A BUSINESS COMPLETELY OUT OF BUSINESS. AND I'M JUST THINKING. YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT HAPPENED TODAY, YOU KNOW, AND I'M LIKE, I WONDER IF THIS HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT. BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY INSIDE TRADING HERE. I DON'T KNOW, BUT I JUST KNOW IT WOULD NOT WORK. AND I WANT TO HAVE MISS LEWIS'S TAKE ON THAT. BECAUSE I KNOW MR. DRAKE. NEIL DRAKE IS GOING TO WANT TO HAVE EASY IN, EASY OUT. AND IF YOU HAVE ALMOST ANY FRIDAY, ESPECIALLY ON A HOLIDAY WEEKEND, I MEAN, IT'S HARD TO PULL OUT A FOOD LINE. IT'S HARD TO PULL A RIGHT OUT OF MY PARKING LOT. NOW, IT'S NOT LIKE THAT ANYTIME OTHER THAN RUSH HOUR. [00:40:04] BUT WHEN YOU HAVE 4TH OF JULY WEEKEND, YOU HAVE MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND, YOU HAVE LABOR DAY WEEKEND. ON THAT FRIDAY, YOU ALL COME OUT TO 58 AND SIT IN SUNOCO PARKING LOT AND WATCH. THERE'S PEOPLE GOING EVERYWHERE AND PEOPLE DON'T ACT. YOU KNOW, AND IT'S LIKE THAT AT ANY MAJOR INTERSECTION. BUT THERE'S NO WAY I COULD EVER FORESEE IT WORKING WITHOUT LIGHTING WITH TRAFFIC LIGHTS. I MEAN, AM I PRAISING YOU? I MEAN, MY THING WOULD BE WHERE. YES. THEY'RE SAYING THEY SAID IT WAS FULLY CUSTOMIZABLE FOR OUR AREA. BUT I FEEL LIKE BEFORE WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, YAY OR NAY, IF IT'S GOING TO WORK, WE SHOULD SEE A VDOT PLAN OF WHAT THEY'RE CUSTOMIZING FOR OUR AREA. I MEAN, LIKE, HOW ARE WE GOING TO SAY YES? AND THEN THEY COME IN AND WE GIVE THEM OPEN REIGNS TO OR NOT OPEN REIGNS. BUT YOU GO TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THEY APPROVE IT, AND THEN THEY COME AND PUT SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T WANT. I'M NOT IN THE MOOD TO APPROVE IT. BUT YOU'RE ASKING US TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD WHETHER WE AGREE WITH IT OR NOT. FROM THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE, IT SAID NO. I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FEELS TO THE BOARD, I THINK, WITHOUT SEEING SOMETHING OF WHAT THEY KIND OF ARE LAYING OUT, LIKE A SITE PLAN OF HOW THEY'RE GOING TO DESIGN IT. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M COMFORTABLE SAYING YAY OR NAY, ASSUMING THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IT RIGHT THERE WHERE HARDEE'S IS THAT WHERE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING IT? MRS ALLSTON. I DID SEE YOU. I'M SORRY. LET ME BACK UP, PLEASE. [INAUDIBLE]. OH. MY TURN. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. OKAY. I'M READING THIS, PRESENT THIS PRESERVATION PLAN. FIGURE 32. AND ONE OF THE NOTES. IT SAYS IN HERE THAT LITTLE TO NO LAND ACQUISITION. WILL HAPPEN. THE MAJORITY OF THE WORK IS WITHIN THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY. BUT I THINK THAT'S JUST IMPOSSIBLE. OKAY. I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT IT IS A SAFETY ISSUE, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THIS INTERSECTION WITH STORY STATION ROAD, AND IF SOMEONE WANTS TO MAKE THAT LEFT TURN AND THERE IS NO TRAFFIC LIGHT, THAT'S WHAT I'M. YOU STILL WILL HAVE TO CROSS UNBELIEVABLE TRAFFIC. NOT TO MENTION THIS LANE THAT GOES BACK. IT IS GOING TO FILL UP WITH TRAFFIC BACKED UP, AND THEY WILL SPILL OUT INTO THE MAIN THOROUGHFARE, WHICH WILL CREATE MORE CONGESTION UNLESS THERE IS A TRAFFIC LIGHT. THAT'S WHY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEY HAD THAT. I'VE GOT IT. NO, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT WITH ALL THE LIKE WHAT THEY PLAN TO DO WITH EVERYTHING. LIGHTS, TRAFFIC LIGHTS FOR SURE. DECIDE WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO TURN IN AND I DON'T I LIKE THE TRAFFIC LIGHT. I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT THE LAND AND NOT ACQUIRING MORE LAND IS A STATEMENT THAT THEY WILL ADHERE TO, BECAUSE THIS IS TO ME, IT'S STILL A SMALL SPACE. RIGHT. AND IF THEY'RE ONLY HAVING ONE TURNING LANE WHERE YOU HAVE PEOPLE GOING INTO FOOD LION OR GOING INTO GRAYSON, EMMA'S RIGHT. YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TWO LANES NO MATTER WHAT, EVEN WITH A TRAFFIC LIGHT. SO THERE'S JUST SOME THINGS THAT AREN'T QUITE READY. GREAT IDEA FOR SAFETY, BUT IT'S NOT THERE YET. AND I'M GOING TO ASK IF WE ALL GO ONE AT A TIME AND I'M GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT FOLLOWED UP ON YOU AND DAVE'S BOTH. I THINK MY ISSUE, BEING A DRIVER OF A BIG TRUCK AND I'M ONLY FAMILIAR WITH, I'M GOING TO CALL IT. IS THIS REFERRED TO AS A TURNABOUT, WHERE YOU MAKE THAT U-TURN DOWN THE ROAD, OR IS THAT A J TURN? THAT'S THE J TURN. J TURN. OKAY. IS THAT THE SAME THING THEY HAVE IN NORTH CAROLINA? 258 ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THOSE? ANYBODY? IS THAT A J. TURNER OR TURNER? I'VE HEARD THEY'RE BY WELDON. WELL, IT'S GOING BACK. EAST ON 258 [INAUDIBLE]. LIKE GOING DOWN THROUGH TO PURDUE. PURDUE? IS THAT A TURNER BACK? J TURNER. WELL, WHAT DID YOU CALL THAT? I THOUGHT IT WAS A TURNER BACK, BUT IT APPEARS TO BE LIKE IT LOOKS IT LOOKS SIMILAR. WELL, MY. YOU GOT DOWN THERE, YOU GOT TO GO ALL THE WAY OFF THE ROAD TO GET A RAIN. AND YOU DON'T SEE THAT HERE. MY ISSUE WITH THE BIG TRUCK. I HAVE AN OPTION FOR A SHORTCUT TO GO TO COFIELD, NORTH CAROLINA. THAT I COULD CUT OUT ABOUT A MILE. OKAY, NOT MUCH DISTANCE, BUT A MILE. OKAY. I COULD TAKE THE SHORTCUT. [00:45:02] BUT I GOT TO DO THE TURNABOUT OR THE J TURN, AND I DID IT ONE TIME. AND IT PUTS A LOT OF STRAIN ON 18 WHEELER, ESPECIALLY THE TRAILER. SPIN IT AROUND AND THE TIRE, IF IT SCUFFS THE TIRES. AND IT DOES HAVE THE EXTRA, SPACE ACROSS THE TWO LANE. BUT IT'S NOT ENOUGH. IT'S JUST IT'S SUCH AN ABRUPT TURN. SO I GO THROUGH, THE TOWN PARK AND GO OUT A LITTLE LONGER TO JUST TO NOT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE TURNABOUT. SO, THAT'S ONE CONCERN I HAVE, AND I KNOW THIS IS DESIGNED FOR. YOU KNOW, OUR VEHICULAR TRAFFIC. NOT REALLY NECESSARILY THE BIG TRUCKS, BUT IT COULD BE A BIG TRUCK WOULD COME DOWN AND HAD TO MAKE A TURN AND COME BACK ON THE OTHER SIDE, LIKE ON WHERE IT COULD BE JACK SIDE OR THE FOOD LINE SIDE, IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. AND I GUESS IT COULD BE ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTY. ANOTHER CONCERN IS, I THINK ABOUT ALL THE CONSTRUCTION I'VE BEEN GOING TO NORFOLK A LOT RECENTLY TO SEE MY DOCTOR, AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF Y'ALL TRAVEL THAT WAY VERY OFTEN, BUT, THAT'S BEEN A CHAOTIC SITUATION FOR QUITE SOME TIME. BUT YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE THESE TYPES OF INTERSECTIONS BEING PUT IN THERE. THEY'RE JUST PUTTING IN MORE STOPLIGHTS. BUT THE FOLLOW FROM DR. EDWARDS, WHAT I DO SEE IS THE CAMERAS THAT ARE TAKING A PICTURE WHEN YOU SPEED, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE PASS ME AND MY WIFE, WE'RE GOING 35 AND THEY'RE GOING 55. AND OF COURSE THEY SAY IT'S A REVENUE BOOSTER FORM, SO MAYBE WE NEED TO INSTALL SOME THAT MIGHT SLOW PEOPLE DOWN IF IT NEEDS TO BE. AND I ALSO FOLLOWED UP ON THAT EDWARDS. YOU KNOW, I SEE A LOT OF THIS COMING FROM AND I UNDERSTAND I HAVE A TRUCK, MY SON DRIVES A BIG TRUCK. YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO OUR DESTINATION, BUT WE ABIDE BY THE SPEED LIMITS. WHEN I GET THESE LITTLE SMALL TOWNS, 25 I GO 25. AND WHEN IT'S A STOP SIGN, I STOP. NOW, MAYBE WE NEED TO GO BACK TO DRIVER'S ED AND TELL THE YOUNG DRIVERS. AND MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, IT'S OLD PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF TO, YOU KNOW. LET'S FOLLOW THE RULES OF THE ROAD AND THE SIGNAGE. BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO. I'M ALL SAFETY, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WE JUST WE AS HUMAN BEINGS CAN'T FOLLOW THE RULES SOMETIMES. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WHAT WE CAN DO TO PREVENT PEOPLE NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES. OF COURSE, MR. WATSON AND HIS DEPARTMENT, WE WOULDN'T NEED THEM IF EVERYBODY FOLLOWED THE RULES, YOU KNOW. SO. SO ANYWAY, I HAVE SOME I HAVE SOME CONCERNS AS WELL, BUT I WANT TO HEAR ALL THE DISCUSSION FIRST BEFORE I MAKE MY MIND UP, BUT I, I DON'T LIKE A J TURN WITH A BIG TRUCK. I DON'T THINK ANY BIG TRUCK DRIVER WOULD LIKE THAT. IF ANYBODY KNOWS WHAT A, YOU KNOW, 84,000 POUND LOAD IS AND YOU'RE SPINNING THAT THING AROUND AND YOU'RE HITTING YOUR SPRINGS AND SUSPENSION CRACKING, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT OF STRESS TO TURN THAT THING AROUND IN SUCH A SMALL AREA. WE LIKE TO MAKE A WIDE TURN OR TURN ON THE DIRT. IF IT WAS DIRT ROAD BE DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S A PAVEMENT AND IT REALLY DOES SCUFF YOUR TIRES. SO FROM A TRUCKER STANDPOINT OR A FARMER STANDPOINT, I DO HAVE A CONCERN, BUT I'LL TRY TO STAY OFF OF THEM IF I COULD. BUT BUT I THINK I MIGHT SUFFER, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL THE BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTION AND THIS HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPED BY THE ENGINEERS AND ALL THAT TO ME, I JUST DON'T SEE IT YET. TO ME, IT'S GOING TO I THINK IN OUR CHILDREN'S LIFETIME. WELL, FOR ME, MY CHILDREN, I THINK MYSELF, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ANOTHER BYPASS AROUND THE BYPASS. I THINK IT'S A DISASTER. THAT'S JUST MY FEELING ABOUT. I JUST DON'T SEE WHY WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS REALLY GOING TO MAKE THE MATTERS BETTER. BUT THAT'S MY $0.02 WORTH. AND I'M GOING TO ASK IF ANYONE ELSE JUST SPEAK ONE AT A TIME. ANYONE JUST RAISE YOUR HAND AND MR. CHESSON. ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD. I MEAN, I'M KIND OF LIKE, AS FAR AS THE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION WE HAVE THAT I HAVE, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD WANT TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT. I GUESS SPECIFICALLY, I DON'T FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN AROUND LONG ENOUGH. HAS WHAT EXAMPLES HAVE WE BEEN PROVIDED THAT OF A SIMILAR SITUATION, EITHER IN THIS STATE OR ANOTHER STATE WHERE THIS HAPPENED AND THE BUSINESSES SAY, YES, THIS IS GREAT, OR NO, THIS IS HORRIBLE. I DON'T FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT RECREATING, CREATING A BRAND NEW WHEEL. SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT. BUT REGARDING THE SIGNALIZED J CUTS, THERE SHOULD BE A VDOT STANDARD TO KIND OF SAY, HEY, BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF TRAFFIC TURNING, YOU NEED TO HAVE A SIGNALIZED J TURN OR YOU DON'T NEED ONE. [00:50:06] AND THEY SHOULD HAVE THAT INFORMATION FOR THIS INTERSECTION. AND IT'S NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT ANYWAY. SO I WOULDN'T WANT TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT. I, A LOT OF PEOPLE DID NOT WANT ME TO BRING THIS TO YOU BECAUSE THEY KNEW THE PLANNING COMMISSION. WE DISCUSS IT. THEY GET DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF IT. THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT UP AS MISS LEWIS TO DO LAST WEEK, AND OTHER PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT ME TO DO IT AND, VDOT DIDN'T WANT THIS TO COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO. IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE A STAND ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, THEN IT'S UP TO WAIT WHICH WAY THE WIND BLOWS? I DON'T THINK WE'VE DECIDED YET, BUT LET ME ASK YOU THIS, DR. EDWARDS AND I'LL ENTERTAIN ANYBODY ELSE'S COMMENTS. DO YOU THINK THIS IS IT PERTAINING TO THE AREA THAT JACK'S BUSINESS IS IN AT THE FOOD LINE AREA? IS THAT THE ONLY OR IS IT COUNTY WIDE? HE SAID SOMETHING. IT'S NOT COUNTY WIDE. NO, IT'S JUST THE ONE. JUST THAT ONE PROBLEM AREA. OKAY. WHAT'S ON THAT ONE MAP? OKAY, SO IT'S THAT ONE PARTICULAR AREA. OKAY. WHAT BOTHERED ME ALSO WAS THE PEOPLE. BUSINESSES ON THERE WEREN'T NOTIFIED OF THIS AND WEREN'T EDUCATED ABOUT THIS. SO. WHEN YOU DON'T BOTHER, YOU DON'T EDUCATE SOMEBODY. I CAN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT. ABOUT ABOUT IT. BUT. BUT THAT'S WHAT BOTHERED ME ABOUT HOW IT WOULD HURT OUR BUSINESSES THERE. OKAY, WELL, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT. I THINK THIS MIGHT BE A POLITICAL THING. GET THE TRAFFIC THROUGH HERE FROM THE PORT TO THE. GET OUR CHINESE GOODS FROM THE PORT TO 95 AND 85. THEY ARE EXTREMELY RELUCTANT TO LOWER THE SPEED LIMIT A MILE DOWN HERE. AND WE HAVE ASKED THEM TIME AFTER TIME ABOUT LOOKING AT THAT. THEY WON'T DO IT. WELL, THIS IS THE QUESTION I HAVE. AND IN BUSINESS, I GUESS JUST LIKE IN FARMING, YOU WANT TO KNOW THAT YOU HAVE THAT FIELD FOR TEN YEARS. AND YOU'VE GOT SOME EXPECTANCY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE X AMOUNT PER ACRE SO YOU CAN PAY ALL YOUR BILLS. WITH MY LAW OFFICE, WITH MY STORAGE BUILDINGS, OBVIOUSLY. I MEAN, I THINK EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE AND MY SON IS IN COLLEGE, SO HE'LL PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, GET WHEN YOU SELL ANYTHING YOU DON'T YOU GOT TO PAY THOSE TAXES. CORRECT? SO ALL I'M ASKING FOR IS EXPECTANCY AND A BALANCING OF SAFETY. OKAY, SO THEN I ASK, WELL, I'VE GOT AN OFFICE IN SUFFOLK, AN OFFICE IN BRUNSWICK, THE OFFICE IN EMPORIUM. WHY IS THERE NO R CUTS IN EMPORIUM ON 58? WHY IS IT WHEN I GO TO THE ISLE OF WIGHT COURTHOUSE, IS THERE NO R CUT OFF FOR 60 NEAR THE DAIRY QUEEN OR THE WILKO OR ANY OTHER BUSINESS THAT IS THERE? WHY IS THERE NO R CUTS IN HOLLAND? WHY? WHY IS WHERE I'M BUYING AND INVESTING MY HARD EARNED MONEY AND PAYING A LARGE AMOUNT OF TAXES? BECAUSE YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS YOU DO SOMETHING, THAT TAX BILL SHOOTS UP TO A LEVEL THAT IS NOT. LET'S JUST SAY THAT IT'S ALWAYS SURPRISING. IT'S ALWAYS MORE THAN WHAT YOU EXPECT, BECAUSE WHAT YOU SPEND IS GOING TO BE ASSESSED ABOVE THAT CONSTRUCTION COST, AND THEY'RE GOING TO KNOW THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS. SO THAT BEING SAID. WHY DOES CORTLAND HAVE TO BE IN STORE? LITTLE STORE. AND I'M NOT DIMINISHING OUR AREA. OKAY. I'M JUST USING COMPARATIVES TO SAY THERE ARE TRAFFIC COUNTS MUCH HIGHER OF OTHER PLACES THAN STORY STATION ROAD IN CORTLAND, AND THERE ARE MANY MORE ACCIDENTS. NOW, MAYBE ONE ACCIDENT IS MORE PUBLICIZED BECAUSE IT'S HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY, WHICH IT SHOULD BE. NOBODY WANTS ACCIDENTS. BUT I JUST ASKED A QUESTION. WHY DO WE HAVE TO HAVE IT? IN STORY STATION ROAD. IN 58. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO STOP YOU, AND I'M GOING TO MAKE ANOTHER COMMENT BECAUSE YOU. SO YOU BOUGHT ANOTHER OTHER STATEMENTS THAT I WANT TO FURTHER EXPLORE. SO I'M GOING TO START WITH MISS ALLSTON. I DO THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE UP ADDITIONAL LAND TO WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING. [00:55:03] I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ENOUGH. THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. LOOKING AT THE DRAWING, I THINK OTHER LANDS WOULD HAVE TO BE ACQUIRED. THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE, ESPECIALLY IF I HAD A BUSINESS OR GOING TO PUT UP GOING TO PUT A BUSINESS LIKE MR. RANDALL THAT COULD INFLECT HIS EXPANSION. SECOND OF ALL. WE. YOU MENTIONED, JACK, THAT MR. RANDALL. EXCUSE ME. COMING THROUGH SUFFOLK. YOU GOT A LONG. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MILES IT IS. OF COURSE IT'S THE WORK ZONE. NOW. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE WHEN THE WORK IS FINISHED, IF IT'LL GO BACK TO 45 OR 55. BUT WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN COMING THROUGH SUFFOLK AT A 45 OR 35 HAS TO GO THROUGH. OUR GROWTH, COMMERCE GROWTH AREA. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? OKAY. THAT'S THE SECOND POINT. THE THIRD POINT IS. WHEN? YEARS AGO. SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER YEARS AGO WHEN THE FIRST SEGMENT OF THE OF THE BYPASS 58 BY THE HIGH SCHOOL WAS OPENED. AND IT WAS STILL THE CRAWL AT THE INTERSECTION. MR. MANN, YOU OUGHT TO REMEMBER. REMEMBER, THE INTERSECTION 35 STILL WENT THROUGH THE ROAD, AND THERE WERE SEVERAL TRAGIC ACCIDENTS THERE. AND WHAT WAS THEIR SOLUTION? OVERPASS AND OVERPASS. NOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE TRAFFIC. I DON'T HAVE THE TRAFFIC COUNT THERE EQUATES TO OTHER MAJOR INTERSECTIONS, BUT THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL INTERCHANGE. AND WE'RE BLESSED TO HAVE IT, BY THE WAY. BUT, THAT WAS A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL UPGRADE TO ALLEVIATE CROSSING THAT HIGHWAY. NOW, NOT I'M NOT SAYING WE NEED TO PUT AN INTERCHANGE STATION. I'M JUST SAYING THAT WAS THE ANSWER BACK THEN. SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T TO ME IT LOOKS LIKE A. TO ME UNTIL I SEE FURTHER. TO ME, IT'S KIND OF A BAND-AID. QUICK FIX. THAT. HOPE WE AGREE TO IT AND MOVE ON. I'D LIKE TO SEE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TOO, BUT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT RIGHT NOW. BUT ANYWAY, I'M OPEN FOR ANYONE ELSE. JUST LET ME KNOW. WHO'S NEXT, MR. CHAIRMAN? I'M TRYING TO. I WANT EVERYBODY TO GO ONE AT A TIME, PLEASE. YES, SIR. IF I MAY. YOU KNOW, AS I LOOK AT THIS AND I LISTEN TO ALL THE COMMENTS, THIS PARTICULAR AREA, BEING A BUSINESS OWNER, IF MY BUSINESS WAS IN THIS AREA, I WOULD BE MORTIFIED. BECAUSE THE FACT THAT THEY STATED LITTLE TO NO LAND ACQUISITION MEANS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO ACQUIRE MORE LAND. OKAY. AND, MY BUSINESS BEING IN EMPORIA. AND WE HAVE PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS INTERSECTIONS THERE. MARKET STREET AND 58. I LOST A BEST FRIEND IN THAT INTERSECTION. BUT THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING OTHER THAN SLOWED IT DOWN FIVE MILES. TEN AT THE MOST. SO IF THEY HAVEN'T MADE ANY DRASTIC CHANGES IN THAT MAJOR CORRIDOR. I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE HERE IN CORTLAND. EVEN IF YOU LOOK AT IN FRONT OF 7/11. THEY SHUT IT DOWN WHERE YOU CAN'T LEAVE 7/11 AND COME ACROSS, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO VEER OUT INTO ONGOING TRAFFIC, ONCOMING TRAFFIC IN A CURVE. SO. THEY HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO LOOK AT DIFFERENTLY TO BE ABLE TO GET US TO UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE IN THIS. SO ARE THEY GOING TO DO AWAY WITH THAT TURN THERE IN FRONT OF 7/11? HOW WAS ALL THAT GOING TO WORK? AND IF THE BUSINESSES IN THAT CORRIDOR ARE ALREADY. UP TO THE STREET IN ROAD FRONTAGE. SO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THOSE BUSINESSES WHEN YOU CREATE THIS SITUATION? FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE TO GO DOWN TO TURN AROUND? PEOPLE HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN USED TO THE TURNAROUND, THOSE TURNABOUTS SO HOW ARE THEY GOING TO WORK THESE J TURNS AND R CUTS? THIS IS LIKE A DISASTER WAITING TO HAPPEN. RIGHT. THAT'S JUST MY TAKE ON IT. ALL RIGHT, MISS LEWIS, CAN I ASK YOU TO TURNABOUT J CUT THAT SHE WAS SPEAKING TO THAT YOU THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE, YOU KNOW, TRAVELING. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT. WAS THAT PART OF THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION OR WAS THAT SOMETHING ADDED TO DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW WAS IT ADDED AT A LATER DATE OR WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL PLAN WHEN NC 55 WAS WIDENED IN THAT AREA? DUE TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BIG BOX SHOPPING CENTER, THE ROADWAY WAS IMPROVED THAT WAY. [01:00:04] OKAY AND IT'S NEAR WHERE YOU GET ON 5:40. WHICH IS THE OUTER LOOP THAT GOES AROUND RALEIGH. SO IT WAS ALL PART OF THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS TAKING PLACE IN THAT AREA. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SOMEONE I THINK MAYBE YOU MADE A COMMENT ABOUT THE CAMERAS THAT GIVE TICKETS. YES, MA'AM. AND AS I UNDERSTAND, THOSE CAMERAS ARE ONLY BY STATE LAW NOW, ABLE TO BE USED IN CONSTRUCTION ZONES AND SCHOOL ZONES. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. YES, MA'AM. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED AT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING. I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT. YES, MA'AM, I THINK SO. THANK. THANK YOU. AND THEY'RE RUN BY A PRIVATE COMPANY, CORRECT? CORRECT. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? WELL, LIKE I SAID BEFORE. THE POWERS THAT BE DID NOT WANT THIS TO COME DOWN HERE. AND WHEN THIS HAPPENS, I GET VERY SUSPICIOUS AND IT'S GOING TO COME DOWN HERE. WHEN SOMEBODY TELLS ME THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOESN'T NEED TO LOOK AT IT, WE'LL GET THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO LOOK AT IT. SO THERE'S A LOT BEHIND THE SCENES HERE. WELL, I WAS CERTAINLY YOU KNOW, [INAUDIBLE] AND MISS LEWIS THIS WAS NOT ON YOU AND NOBODY BUT I, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THE NEWSPAPER OR I WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO SEE THE MERCHANTS, THE ONE THAT WILL BE AFFECTED. THEY CERTAINLY NEED TO BE AWARE. I LIKE, YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO KNOW THEIR COMMENTS. IT COULD SOMEDAY BE. YOU KNOW, IT MAY SHINE SOME OTHER LIGHT THAT MAY WOULD NOT ADDRESS THEM, BUT, AND I DON'T KNOW. DO YOU DO YOU THINK ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE AT YOUR PREVIOUS MEETING? POSSIBLY. I DON'T THINK THESE PEOPLE WERE NOTIFIED. I'VE TALKED TO SOME OF THEM THAT DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. LIKE I SAID, THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE, WHICH I THINK HAS BEEN VERY VALUABLE IN THIS COUNTY, LISTENED TO IT AND VOTED IT DOWN 3 TO 1. LIKE I SAID, I THINK STAFF WAS FOR VERY MUCH FOR IT. I'M NOT SURE WHY. BUT I'M LIKE EVERYBODY HERE. I HAVE A LOT OF RESERVATIONS, AND I DON'T FEEL THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN FULLY EDUCATED ON WHAT'S GOING IN HERE. WHAT [INAUDIBLE] I'M GONNA SAY, AS A CHAIRMAN, I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT TO OUR ATTENTION. I APPRECIATE MISS LEWIS GETTING THE INFORMATION TO PRESENT IN FRONT OF US, AND I HOPE EVERYBODY HAS LOOKED AT IT, I CERTAINLY GLANCED. I KNOW I DIDN'T READ THE WORD FOR WORD, BUT I DID. I WAS INTERESTED BECAUSE I'VE SEEN THIS IN SOME OF THE ROADS I'M TRAVELING WITH MY TRUCK, SO I WAS VERY CURIOUS, BUT I SAW THE PART ABOUT. THERE ARE ALSO SAFETY IS NOT 100%, BUT IT IS SO-CALLED SAFER. BUT THEN AGAIN, I THINK ABOUT THE BUSINESSES THAT COULD BE AFFECTED AND I WONDER IF THERE'S ANY OTHER RESORTS. YOU KNOW, IN MY MIND, AND I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT I THINK IF YOU JUST SLOW THE SPEED LIMIT DOWN ENOUGH TEN MILES AN HOUR AND NO DISRESPECT TO OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, AND I KNOW IT'S HARD TO DO. I SAID IT HARDEST, SHERIFF, AND MR. FULLER, MANY TIMES. AND JUST SIT AT THE WINDOW WHILE I'M EATING AND JUST WATCH. IT'S NOT REALLY NECESSARY TO RED LIGHT, BUT RUNNING THE YELLOW LIGHT, THEY JUST RUN. THEY DON'T EVEN ATTEMPT TO STOP FOR THE YELLOW LIGHT. AND BY THE TIME THEY GET UNDER, IT'S RED, YOU KNOW? SO, I THINK IT'S ALL ABOUT WE AS A HUMAN RACE. WE NEED TO BE, YOU KNOW, BE MORE ABIDING TO THE LAW. AND, BUT, ANYWAY, THAT'S THAT'S JUST MY $0.02 WORTH. I THINK THIS WAS CONSIDERED AROUND THE DREWRYVILLE AREA. THAT IS CORRECT. AND THAT WAS TURNED DOWN THERE. AND I THINK IF I, IT WAS. YES. CORRECT ME, BUT IF OUR DEPARTMENT. RIGHT HAD A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THAT. YES. I IF I'M RIGHT. YES. I ASK? YES, SIR. GO RIGHT AHEAD. SO WHAT DOES THE BOARD WANT US TO DO? LIKE, THE BOARD IS GOING TO BE ASKED THIS MONTH TO SAY YES OR NO. GO AHEAD AND START MAKING PLANS. I DON'T KNOW. IF I CAN'T GET MORE INFORMATION, I'M LIKE, MISS ALLSTON. EXACTLY WHAT I WANT TO SEE. THE MERCHANTS. I WANT TO SEE HOW THE MERCHANTS FEEL. BECAUSE I FEEL FOR PEOPLE BEING INVADED. YOU KNOW, I WILL ADOPT WHATEVER THEY DO, BUT, I DON'T LIKE IT. BUT IF THE MERCHANTS SAY THEY LIKE IT, I MIGHT BE. I MIGHT BE WOULD BE MORE FAVORABLE FOR IT. [01:05:04] BUT UNTIL. IF WE HAD TO ACT TONIGHT, WE'RE PRESENTED. AND WHAT THIS OVERALL THOUGHT PROCESS IS, I WOULD VOTE NO. BUT, MR. TODAY, WOULD THERE BE ANY COST TO THE COUNTY FOR DOING THIS? NO, SIR. WOULD THAT BE ALL THE STATE PICK THIS UP? VDOT WOULD PICK THIS UP? YES. WHAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IS GOING TO BE ASKED TO DO IS TO EITHER SAY YES OR NO TO VDOT PREPARING AN APPLICATION FOR FUNDING THROUGH THE SMART SCALE PROGRAM. SO NO, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY COST TO THE COUNTY. WELL, MISS ALLSTON, GO RIGHT HERE. I REALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF THE SAFETY OF THIS, BUT I THINK IT IS NOT. THE PLAN IS NOT COMPLETE. I THINK THEY NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT. WHAT HAPPENS 20 YEARS FROM NOW WITH THIS PLAN. HOW IT NEEDS TO BE BIGGER. IT NEEDS MORE LANES. IT NEEDS LIGHTS, TRAFFIC LIGHTS. AND I THINK IT'S JUST IT'S NOT ENOUGH FOR US TO MAKE A POSITIVE DECISION ON THIS. I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE SAFETY ASPECT. I THINK WE ALL DO. BUT THE PLAN IS NOT COMPLETE. OKAY, I AGREE. WELL, SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION TO WHATEVER EFFECT. I'LL TAKE IT TO THE BOARD. SO IT'S GOING TO CARRY A LOT OF WEIGHT, I'LL TELL YOU THAT. SO LOOKING AT THIS DESIGN, THERE IS NOWHERE IN THERE. THERE'S A STOPLIGHT. IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. IT DOESN'T REALLY IT DOESN'T HAVE I MEAN, THAT'S I'M LOOKING AT WHERE YOU GO WEST AND YOU WANT TO TAKE A LEFT TO COME IN, GOING TO THE FOOD LINE RIGHT THERE AT THE INTERSECTION, OR EITHER YOU'RE GOING EAST AND YOU WANT TO TAKE A LEFT AND GO DOWN STORE STATION. IT SAYS IF IT'S NOT A STOPLIGHT THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET ACROSS THAT ROAD. THAT'S TRUE. AND EVEN IN THAT FIRST COMPUTER GENERATED VIDEO, THEY HAD LIGHTS INDICATED IN THAT. RIGHT AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY INDICATION HERE. SO I'M ASSUMING IF THAT IF THE OTHER LANE GOING EAST WAS CROWDED, I GUESS THAT VEHICLE WOULD HAVE TO STOP. IS THAT CORRECT? THEY WOULD PROBABLY ONE LANE STOPPING. SO WOULD IT BE A BUT IT'S NOT IT'S LIKE A YIELD SIGN I GUESS. WOULD IT BE A YIELD?WOULD IT BE A SIGNAGE THERE? PROBABLY. YEAH, GOTTA BE SOMETHING YOU COULDN'T SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO GO ACROSS. LIKE LOOKING. IT'S JUST AN ARROW THAT SAYS YOU'RE GOING IN THE J TURN. THERE'S NOTHING. THAT'S WHY A LIGHT. YEAH, WOULD BE APPROPRIATE THERE. MY THINKING THAT IT NEEDS TWO TURNING LANES, NOT JUST ONE. YOU KNOW, THAT WAS MY ISSUE WITH THE AMOUNT OF SPACE, THE FACT THAT NO LITTLE OR NO LAND ACQUISITION. I JUST CAN'T SEE THIS. KNOWING HOW MUCH TRAFFIC GOES DOWN 58. HOW MANY LARGE TRUCKS GO DOWN 58. AND TRUCKS HAVING A JUST A CONTINUOUS FLOW AND NOT HAVING TO STOP FOR TRAFFIC TO MAKE THAT J TURN I THINK IS IS ANOTHER TRAFFIC HAZARD. THERE'S NO WAY ON FOR 60 THAT HAS THIS. IS THAT CORRECT? NO. THAT'S CORRECT. IF YOU'RE COMING FROM SUFFOLK, OUT THIS WAY. AND LIKE MISS ALLSTON SAID, IF YOU HAVE TO TAKE A LEFT LIKE YOU'RE GOING IN THE FOOD LINE, I'D HATE TO BE THE LAST ONE OUT THERE IN THE MAIN ROAD. I FEEL SORRY FOR THAT PERSON THEN CAREENING INTO THE PEOPLE IN FRONT OF THEM. THAT LOOKS LIKE AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN TO ME. YOU SEEM TO BE SEVERAL CONCERNS, SERIOUS CONCERNS OVER THIS. SO I THINK THERE'S A I SENSE THERE'S A RELUCTANCE. ONE APPROVAL, BUT I DON'T THINK I JUST, I GUESS WE JUST HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. GOVERNING BODY IS GOING TO HAVE TO ACT ON IT. SO, I THINK SUPERVISOR EDWARDS IS ASKING FOR A LEAN YES OR LEAN NO, OR IT LOOKED LIKE WE HAVE. IF YOU HAVE CONCERNS, WE JUST CAN'T VOTE FAVORABLE. SO IS THERE ANY IS ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I'M NOT RUSHING ANY OTHER COMMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO BRING FORWARD. [01:10:03] IT LOOKS LIKE WE NEED A IF DEPENDING ON IF THEY MAKE THAT ULTIMATE DECISION WON'T COME BACK BEFORE US AGAIN. BUT IF THEY WANT SOMEONE THAT WOULD ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS IF THEY WANT OUR, YOU KNOW, THE DUE DILIGENCE. NO IT'S NOT. THAT'S NOT THE POINT. CORRECT. THERE'S NOT TIME. THE ORIGINAL, THE START OF THE APPLICATION PROCESS THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAS TO DECIDE AT THEIR MEETING. THE START OF THE APPLICATION PROCESS IS MARCH 1ST, SO IT WON'T. THERE'S NOT TIME. OKAY. WOULD IT BE SUFFICIENT FOR US TO GIVE OUR CONCERNS? I THINK WE'VE GOT 4 OR 5 CONCERNS TO GIVE THAT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THAT SAYS THESE ARE OUR CONCERNS. SORRY THAT'S OUR REASON. AND IT'S NOT A YES OR NO. IT'S JUST THESE ARE OUR 4 OR 5 ISSUES. LET ME JUST ASK FOR KNOWLEDGE. WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE THAT WE COULD SEND THE CONCERNS UP TO THE BOARD? I THINK IT WAS 3 OR 4 MAJOR CONCERNS WE HAD. WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE? AND THEN NO DOUBT ABOUT IT, IF WE HAVE A NOW IF WE HAVE A IF SOMEBODY MAKES A NOTION OF DENIAL, WE'LL VOTE ON IT, BUT AT LEAST WE'LL HAVE A REASON. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DENY IT AS PRESENTED. OKAY. DO I HEAR A SECOND TO THE MOTION. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THOSE STATEMENTS REINFORCE MS. LEWIS, I DO HAVE A SECOND TO THE MOTION. I SECOND. ALL RIGHT, HAVE A PROPER SECOND. THANK YOU. AND THAT'S ALL IN THE CONSIDERATION OF PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY AND THE GENERAL WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY. AND, YOU KNOW, I'M READING THAT MOTION, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING HERE. WELL, AND THEN I'D LOVE TO SEE THIS WORK IN ANOTHER SPOT RATHER THAN RIGHT HERE. AND I WAS DOWN THERE THE OTHER NIGHT WHEN THAT ACCIDENT OCCURRED. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT WAS A FATALITY OR NOT, BUT. IT'S ALWAYS THE TOUGH SITUATION. MY WIFE HAS BEEN THROUGH THAT AND SHE'S WHEN SHE WAS GOING TO [INAUDIBLE] THE OLD SCHOOL. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST BEEN A TOUGH SPOT AND 58 IS A TOUGH ROAD. IT'S A TOUGH ROAD. AND IT HAD THE NICKNAME OF SUICIDE STRIP WHEN IT WAS TWO LANES. AND IT'S ABOUT TO GET THE NICKNAME OF SUICIDE STRIP AGAIN ALL THE WAY FROM SUFFOLK. SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO ENUMERATE SOME CONCERNS? WELL I, YOU KNOW, I LIKE I THINK IF YOU WANT TO GIVE THEM ONE POSITIVE. YES, THERE IS A SAFETY ISSUE AND THIS DESIGN WOULD ELIMINATE WOULD WOULD REDUCE, REDUCE WOULD BE A SAFETY A POSITIVE FOR SAFETY. HOWEVER. THE DESIGN NEEDS A TRAFFIC LIGHT. THE DESIGN NEEDS MULTIPLE TURNING LANES. THE DESIGN. I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER THE OTHERS. OH. WE NEED TO KNOW IF THERE MORE IS MORE LAND REQUIRED ACQUIRED OF TO IMPLEMENT THIS PLAN. MORE THAN RIGHT OF WAY. RIGHT OF WAY. ONLY. RIGHT? CORRECT. HAVE THE NEIGHBORS BEEN NOTIFIED? THAT'S IT? YEAH. GET THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY INVOLVED. CORRECT THE NOTIFICATION. AFFECTED BUSINESSES. BUSINESSES. RIGHT. WE COULD POTENTIALLY BE AFFECTED. CORRECT. I'M LOOKING AT THE TRAFFIC STUDY IN ONE DIRECTION. ON A SATURDAY IS AN AVERAGE OF 3188 VEHICLES IN ONE DIRECTION. ON A SATURDAY. I JUST PULLED THE TRAFFIC STUDY OUT AND I'M LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS. AND THIS WAS 11. 30, 2023. 3188 GOING WBT. I THINK THAT'S WESTBOUND. OKAY. THEN WE SEE A HAZARD FOR THE J TURN THE J LANES BEING TOO SHORT. THEY CANNOT ACCOMMODATE CARS THAT CANNOT MAKE THE TURN AND CREATES A HAZARD. ALREADY A TRAFFIC HAZARD ON THAT BUSY DAY. ON A BUSY DAY, ON A WEEKEND, YOU GOT YOU GOT TO LOOK AT THAT BUSIEST DAY, RIGHT. TO NOT CREATE A PROBLEM. CORRECT. AND THEN EASTBOUND WAS 3244. SO I GUESS THERE WAS MORE PEOPLE THAT WERE HEADING EAST AND WEST GOING TO THE BEACH. I GUESS SO, BUT OKAY, SO THAT'S JUST MY POINT THOUGH. I MEAN, THAT'S SO IS THAT SEVEN ALMOST SEVEN, LIKE IT'S A LOT 6500 VEHICLES IN ONE DAY. [01:15:02] SO THAT'S WHAT, FOUR POINTS. THE CONCERNS FOR? YES, IT APPEARS SAFETY WOULD BE INCREASED, BUT. TRAFFIC SIGNALS ARE NEEDED. MULTIPLE TURNING LANES ARE NEEDED. YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH MORE LAND WOULD NEED TO BE ACQUIRED? YOU WANT THE NEIGHBORS AND THE BUSINESSES TO BE NOTIFIED, AND THAT THE TURN LANES TO MAKE THE J TURN ARE TOO SHORT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO ASK ONE QUESTION. SO THE BIG TRUCKS THAT GO INTO THE BUSINESS PARK. IF THEY NEED TO GO WESTBOUND. THEY NEED TO GO WESTBOUND. THEY HAD TO GO UP TO THE J-TURN. CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY, SO THAT'S A HAZARD ON THE MAIN DRIVE AS THEY MAKE THAT TURN. IF THEY HAVE TO SLOW DOWN TO MAKE THAT THAT TRUCK U TURN RIGHT ACROSS, THAT WOULD TO ME THAT WOULD BE A GREAT CONCERN BECAUSE A LOT OF WATERMELONS OR PRODUCE IN SUMMER MONTHS ON BIG TRUCKS IN THAT DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS TO GET THERE AND SHUTTLE TIME. ONE MORE THING. OKAY. AND MR. RANDALL, SO WE HAVE OUR WATER AND SEWER THAT ARE THERE WITH OUR CURRENT SEWER SYSTEM THAT IS FAIRLY NEW, THAT IS AT. 25 TO 30% CAPACITY. HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, LET'S SAY WE CHANGE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. LET'S JUST PICK BABA. THAT'S ALL. BABA EDWARDS THE OTHER DAY AND I TALKED TO HIM ABOUT THIS, AND I, YOU KNOW, YOU ALWAYS WANT TO ASK THE LANDOWNER, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT YOUR LAND BEING THAT YOU PAY TAXES ON IT? AND HE WAS KIND OF JUST KIND OF FEELING ME OUT. BUT VERY RESPECTFUL AND VERY, INTERESTED AND KIND OF ASKING ME QUESTIONS BECAUSE HE WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT GOT THIS, AND HE ASKED ME KIND OF EXPECTANCY QUESTIONS THAT I DIDN'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR, BUT I WAS HONEST WITH HIM. WE REZONE OR WE PUT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR RESIDENTIAL. BEING THAT OUR BEST USE FOR RESIDENTIAL IS NOW WAREHOUSING. SO. IS THAT SO? WE WANT TO GET SOMEBODY TO HOOK UP TO OUR SEWER AT SOME POINT IN THE NEXT 200 YEARS, I WOULD THINK. AND THAT SHOULD BE ONE OF OUR PRIORITIES. I WOULD THINK SO. WHAT IMPACT WILL 600 HOUSES? AND I'M TALKING BIG. I DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE 600 HOUSES IN THE NEXT 100 YEARS, BUT MY 200 HOUSES, LIKE LET'S USE BETHEL FARM. YOU PUT BETHEL FARMS ON THAT FARM TO HOOK UP TO SEWER AND WATER. WHAT IMPACT WILL THAT HAVE IN ADDITION TO THE PORT OR LET'S SAY, THE SOUTHAMPTON PORT THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE? AND I'M SAYING THAT FACETIOUSLY, BUT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE INCREASED TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO NEED FUEL, SOMETHING TO EAT. YOU SEE HOW IT ALL CONNECTS. YEAH. AND I JUST THINK. WHAT ARE WE DOING? IT'S NOT PREPARED FOR THE FUTURE. WHY DIDN'T THEY DO THIS IN WINDSOR? WHY DIDN'T THEY DO THIS IN HOLLAND? SO WHY DO WE HAVE TO DO IT IN OUR BACKYARD? THAT'S GOING TO STRESS ALL THE BUSINESS OWNERS OUT. WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? I'M JUST ASKING A HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION. GOOD QUESTION. SMART PEOPLE HERE, Y'ALL. I MEAN, I DON'T GO TO MR. TURNER'S BUSINESS AND SAY, LET'S PUT A CUT RIGHT IN FRONT OR ON EACH SIDE OF YOUR BUSINESS AND TRY TO SELL TO MR. TURNER THAT'S GOING TO HELP HIS BUSINESS. I DON'T DO THAT. WE'LL TAKE PART OF HIS. YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE. AND BY THE WAY, WE'RE GOING TO DO EMINENT DOMAIN AND WE'RE GOING TO PAY A $20 A SQUARE FOOT. I BET MR. TURNER WOULD GET FIRED UP AT ME. MISS LEWIS, ARE YOU? YOU GOT 4 OR 5 VALUABLE POINTS THERE. AND THE LAST ONE IS. WHY DO THIS HERE? IT SEEMED LIKE THEY WERE THE FIRST ONE THAT, YOU KNOW, I REALLY THINK ABOUT WINDSOR ON 460. Y'ALL MENTIONED 460 A COUPLE OF TIMES. AND I DO TRAVEL 460 A LITTLE BIT. I HAVE TO GO FROM WAKEFIELD BACK INTO WINDSOR AND IT'S SEVERAL STOPLIGHTS ON 460. WELL, THAT 460 258 INTERSECTION IS BUSY. YEAH. SO THEY ALL STOPLIGHTS AND MAJOR INTERSECTIONS AND IT I GUESS IT WORKS. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT COULD BE ACCIDENTS THERE. I DON'T REALLY KNOW. BUT THROUGH TOWN THE SPEED LIMIT IS MUCH SLOWER. I DO KNOW THAT. BUT ANYWAY, I THINK, WE BASICALLY GOT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. WE GOT A MOTION SECOND. GOT A SECOND. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE. [01:20:02] ALL IN FAVOR? OF IT BEING AN UNFAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION. IS THAT CORRECT? AM I SAYING THAT CORRECTLY? SAY. OH, I HOPE I DON'T GET THIS WRONG. SAY IF IT'S UNFAVORABLE. WHAT AM I, [INAUDIBLE] YOU COULD SAY THE EMOTION IS TO RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO DENY THIS PROJECT. AND IF YOU AGREE WITH THAT, RAISE YOUR HAND AS PRESENTED AS THAT WAS PRESENTED. DENY AS PRESENTED. OKAY. THANK YOU.YEAH. SAY AYE. OR RAISE YOUR HAND. RAISE YOUR HAND. DENY. AS PRESENTED. ANY OPPOSED LIKE SIGN. I'M ABSTAINING BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF INFORMATION. RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU DID SAY DENY AS PRESENTED THATS RIGHT. THE AS PRESENTED, NOT AS PRESENTED. AS PRESENTED IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE THE CONCEPT IS VIABLE. IT'S JUST WHAT'S PRESENTED IS NOT. I AGREE, BUT THE MOTION WAS TO DENY. CORRECT. TO DENY AS IT WAS PRESENTED TO US. WE DIDN'T PUT NO PRESENTED. I MIGHT I THINK ABOUT IT. YEAH. BUT AS PRESENTED MISS LEWIS DO YOU HAVE YOU GOT IT WRITTEN DOWN. WILL YOU REREAD THAT TO US? MAKE SURE WE GOT IT RIGHT. DON'T. MISINTERPRETATION. JUST VOTED DOWN, [INAUDIBLE]. MR. RANDALL, SECONDED BY REVEREND LUCAS, RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF THIS PROPOSAL AS PRESENTED. AND YOUR CONCERNS WERE THAT, YES, SAFETY WOULD BE INCREASED, HOWEVER. TRAFFIC LIGHTS ARE NEEDED. MULTIPLE TURNING LANES MAY BE NEEDED. YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH MORE LAND WOULD NEED TO BE ACQUIRED? YOU WANT THE NEIGHBORS AND BUSINESSES TO BE NOTIFIED AND TO HAVE INPUT. YOU FEEL THAT THE TURN LANES TO MAKE THOSE J TURNS ARE TOO SHORT. FEEL THAT BIG TRUCKS GOING THROUGH THE J-TURN WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME. AND WHY DO THIS HERE? AND IF THE BIG TRUCKS THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED WOULD PROBABLY BE THE ONES COMING OUT. OF THE COMMERCE PARK ONE WESTBOUND, I THINK. OTHER TRUCKS PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE, BUT IT'D BE THE WEST BANK TRUCKS AND FOOD LION. FOOD LION COULD ABSOLUTELY COULD BE THE FOOD LION TRUCK. FOOD LION COULD BE THOSE TWO. YES, IT COULD BE THOSE TWO. OKAY. MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE IS GOING TO BE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS AT THE BOARD. SO IT WOULD NOT HURT IF ALL OR MOST OF US WOULD COME TO THAT AND GIVE YOUR THOUGHTS. I'LL PUT TOGETHER A MEMO TOMORROW FOR MR. THROWER. OKAY. VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR LOVE TO SEE ALL OF YOU THERE. OKAY. CAN WE GO AHEAD AND PROCEED TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN? NOW YOU HAVE A BCA WILL BE A BCA HEARING ON THE 20TH OF THIS MONTH ABOUT A FENCE, A TALL FENCE AND THE REQUIRED FRONT YARD SETBACK FENCE IS IN THE REQUIRED FRONT YARD, WHICH IS THE. FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE BACK TOWARDS YOUR HOUSE ARE LIMITED TO 3.5FT TALL, AND THIS APPLICANT STARTED PUTTING UP A FENCE THAT'S BETWEEN 6 AND 7FT TALL AND REQUIRED FRONT YARD FENCE. PERMITS AREN'T REQUIRED. SO IT'S NOT THAT HE WORKED WITHOUT A PERMIT, BUT HE PUT UP A FENCE THAT WAS TOO TALL AND OUR OFFICE RECEIVED THE COMPLAINT, WENT OUT AND LOOKED AT IT. AND YES, IT IS OVERSIZE. SO HE STOPPED WORKING. HE IS ASKING FOR A VARIANCE TO PUT UP THIS. 6 TO 7 FOOT TALL FENCE. HE SEEKS SECURITY FOR HIS PROPERTY, PROVIDE MORE PRIVACY AND SECURITY FOR PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN HIS HOUSE. HE SAYS HE'S HAD TRESPASSING ON HIS PROPERTY AND A RECENT ATTEMPTED HOME INVASION AND CAR THEFT ON THE PROPERTY. AND SO THIS IS A REQUEST FOR VARIANCE TO THE 50 FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACK PUT UP A FENCE. VDOT HAS BEEN OUT THERE AND THEY LOOKED AND. BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION OF THE FENCE AND THE SHAPE OF THE ROAD THERE. THERE'S NO SAFETY ISSUE THERE. THE REQUIRED, SHORTER FENCE IN THE FRONT YARD IS TYPICALLY. SO DRIVERS ON THE ROAD CAN SEE PEOPLE PULLING OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY, AND PEOPLE IN THE DRIVEWAY CAN SEE DRIVERS ON THE ROAD. [01:25:06] BUT THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE HERE BECAUSE OF THE WIDTH OF THE ROAD THERE AND THE WIDTH OF THE DITCH. THE APPLICANT DID TURN IN PHOTOGRAPHS THAT SHOWS, FULL SIZE PICKUP TRUCK BETWEEN THE EDGE OF THE ROAD AND THE FENCE SO HE CAN PULL ALL THE WAY OUT FROM THE FENCE AND SEE UP AND DOWN THE ROAD, AND PEOPLE ON THE ROAD CAN SEE HIM. BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A LEAN YES OR LEAN NO, YOU'RE WELCOME TO. YOU CAN SEE A YEAR'S WORTH I SAY STAY OUT OF IT. SEE A YEAR'S WORTH OF POLICE CALLS, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE CALLS THAT WERE OUT THERE BETWEEN THE PROPERTY OWNER AND NEIGHBOR, A NEIGHBOR. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATION? WHAT DO YOU ALL THINKING? HOW ABOUT YOU, MR. TRUMP? WHAT ARE YOU THINK? LAY LOW? YOU GOT A FEELING? I'M KIND OF. I'M LIKE, SAY, I'M CONNECTING. I WANT TO TAKE THE MESSAGE. OKAY. I'LL TAKE Y'ALL'S MESSAGE. UNDER ADVISEMENT. OKAY. I GOT [INAUDIBLE] FOR MISS LEWIS. I MEAN, WITH PERMITTING AND FENCE ORDINANCES AND EVERYTHING. IT ALL IS, LIKE, WITHIN CODE. NO, BUILDING PERMITS REQUIRED FOR A FENCE. FOR A FENCE. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET ONE IN THE COUNTY FOR A FENCE IN 600MI². THAT'S ALL WE WOULD DO IS ISSUE FENCE PERMITS. YEAH, THEY WERE REQUIRED, SO. NO. OKAY. BUT THERE ARE REGULATIONS. THIS HEIGHT REQUIREMENT IS A REGULATION. BUT YOU DON'T NEED TO GET A PERMIT TO PUT IT UP OKAY. I JUST SORT OF FELL INTO IT BECAUSE I KNOW YOU GOT TO GET ONE IN THE CITY, BUT I AGREE WITH YOU. IT'S A BIG COUNTY AND, YOU KNOW, AND 90 SOME PERCENT OF THEM WOULD BE AGRICULTURAL FENCES IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. SO GO AHEAD. BASED UPON THIS IMAGE RIGHT HERE WAS THAT TRUCK PLACED THERE TO SHOW US THAT YOU CAN SEE THEM AS THEY PULL OUT? YES. OKAY. SO, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAKES A LEAN YES OR LEAN NO OR SOMETIMES JUST SAYS WE DON'T HAVE WE DON'T CHOOSE TO MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATION AT ALL. IT'S AN ODD THING IN VIRGINIA THAT PLANNING COMMISSIONS GET TO WEIGH IN ON BZA REQUESTS, BECAUSE THE BZA, THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS IS QUASI JUDICIAL, AND THAT MEANS THAT EVERYONE THAT SPEAKS CAN BE QUESTIONED BY THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS OR ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE. BUT NOBODY'S HERE BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO IT'S A KIND OF ODD THING, BUT THAT IS A VIRGINIA THING. WELL, WE PUT MR. CHESSON THERE [INAUDIBLE] AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THERE'S A MEMBER ON THE BZA FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS BECAUSE IF SOME OF YOU WHO'VE BEEN MEMBERS FOR A LONG TIME REMEMBER DOCKSIDE AND EVERY TIME ANYBODY WANTED TO DO ANYTHING IN DOCKSIDE, THEY HAD TO GET A VARIANCE TO THE SETBACKS BECAUSE THE LOTS WERE PLATTED BEFORE THE ZONING ORDINANCE. SO THE ZONING ORDINANCE, THE ZONING REGULATIONS DIDN'T FIT. AND AFTER, HOWEVER MANY TIMES DOCKSIDE RESIDENTS HAD TO COME TO THE BZA FOR A VARIANCE, THE BZA SAID TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU ALL NEED TO COME UP WITH A NEW ZONING DESIGNATION THAT FITS, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE PURPOSES FOR THE LIAISON. SO THE BZA CAN TELL THE PLANNING COMMISSION. WILL Y'ALL PLEASE LOOK AT THIS? SO YOU WANT A RECOMMENDATION FROM US? HE'S LOOKING FOR SOME DIRECTION, MR. CHESSON. OH. OR NOT? YEAH, I KNOW THE BCA HAS APPOINTED ME UNOFFICIALLY. WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS? I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT PUTTING AN ARC OUT THERE, SO I'D BE FOR IT. ANYBODY WANT TO COMMENT? ANYBODY ELSE. NO RAZOR WIRE AND A HOT WIRE FENCE COMES TO MY MIND. WELL, HE DOES HAVE SMALL CHILDREN. THE APPLICANT HAS SMALL CHILDREN, AND THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THE FENCE. BUT THE FENCE IS OFF THE GROUND. AND IS THAT WHAT IT LOOKS? YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S RAISED UP A FOOT OR SO. WELL, IT'S NOT THAT HE HAS A STOP. YEAH, WELL, I MEAN, HE DID STOP, BUT STILL THE PANELS ARE QUITE A BIT OFF THE GROUND. YEAH. BUT I MEAN COMPLETED. YEAH. RIGHT. HE STOPPED. [01:30:02] WELL HE WAS REQUESTED TO STOP. I HAD THREE SMALL KIDS AND HOT WIRE FENCE MADE A DIFFERENCE. I DID PUT THE RAZOR WIRE, BUT HIGH WIRE FENCE MADE A DIFFERENCE. SO. AND IT DIDN'T HURT THEM, BUT THEY THEY DIDN'T HIT IT TWICE. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'D WANT TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION. WELL, I AGREE. WE'RE TALKING OUT LOUD. IT WAS TO KEEP THE COWS IN, BUT IT KEPT THE KIDS OUT OF THE PASTURE TOO. SO THAT'S CHESSON THAT HELP YOU AT ALL? [INAUDIBLE]I MEAN, THERE'S NO OBJECTION, NO TERRIBLE OBJECTIONS TO IT. ALL RIGHT. WELL, WAS THERE ANY MORE NEW BUSINESS? WELL, I HAVE TOLD, MR. THROWER AND MR. THROWER HAS TOLD THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THAT I'M RETIRING APRIL 30TH. YOU ARE? YES. YOU DIDN'T ASK US FIRST. OH, MY. THAT'S 20, 26, 28? APRIL 30TH OF THIS YEAR. SO I'LL HAVE TWO MORE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS. YOU'RE TOO YOUNG TO RETIRE, MS. LEWIS, I AM NOT. NO, NO, I DIDN'T SAY RETIRING. SHE JUST SAID, WHAT DID YOU SAY? RETIRING OR. YES, YOU SAID YOUR RESIGNATION. NO RETIRE. OKAY, SO IT WAS THE CONGRATULATIONS. YEAH. CONGRATULATIONS I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. WE CONGRATULATE. WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW WE'RE GOING TO MISS YOU. IS IS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS? OR. I MEAN, HAVE YOU TALKED ABOUT, THE INTERIM OR REPLACEMENT OR. HOW IS THAT ALL GOING DOWN, MR. THROWER IS WORKING ON THAT I UNDERSTAND. OKAY, WE'RE EXCITED FOR YOU. THANK YOU. WE'LL MISS YOU, BUT WE'RE EXCITED. THANK YOU. YOU CAN COME VISIT. YEAH. OKAY. I KNOW YOU'LL MISS US. LEAVE US YOUR PHONE NUMBER. WE'D LIKE TO CALL YOU. YOU HAVE MY PHONE NUMBER. BECAUSE WE DID THE PHONE MEETING THING. I KNOW YOU HAD TO DO THAT. SO AT YOUR NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, YOU WILL HAVE THE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT WERE. PUSHED FORWARD. FROM THIS MONTH, YOU'LL HAVE ANOTHER TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR A PLAN AMENDMENT AND A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FOR A SIX LOT SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD OUT OF ADAMS GROVE ROAD. THERE'S A SIX ACRE FUNNY SHAPED PIECE BACK THERE. APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO PUT A SIX LOT SINGLE FAMILY HOME THERE, AND YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WILL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. AT YOUR MARCH MEETING NOW. ALL RIGHT. SO AT THE LAST MEETING. I THINK I CHALLENGED EVERYBODY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE PLAN, AND I HOPE EVERYBODY DID. AND I ASK YOU IF YOU HAD ANY CORRECTIONS, COMMENTS, ADDITIONS OR WHATEVER TO COME BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH WAS TONIGHT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THAT THEY WANT TO COMMENT ON? AND I THINK WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT A COVER. YOU ASKED OUR OPINION OF A COVER PAGE. HAS THAT BEEN DECIDED YET? MR. HACKETT FSCI IS GATHERING SOME PHOTOGRAPHS. OKAY. THAT YOU ASKED FOR. PEANUTS? LOGGING. FORESTRY. WELL, PEANUTS AND COTTON. BOTH NOW. WELL, COTTON IS ON THE COVER OF THIS ONE, SO I DON'T KNOW. THERE ARE TWO LEADING CROPS IN VIRGINIA, BUT ANYHOW. AND, THE NEW COURTHOUSE. THAT'S RIGHT. COURTHOUSE. SO I ASKED IF THEY HAD ANY PICTURES OF RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES OR OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES AND SOME, PICTURES THAT MIGHT HAVE PEOPLE IN THEM. MAYBE OUR NATIVE AMERICAN HERITAGE IS THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTY. RIGHT. SO I MADE SOME NOTES THERE, GATHERING A SERIES OF PHOTOGRAPHS FOR US TO LOOK AT. YES. OKAY. WAIT A MINUTE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE AND I DON'T THINK I'M SPEAKING OUT OF TURN, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE VIRGINIA. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY YET, AND I WILL LET YOU KNOW AS SOON AS I GET THE INFORMATION. BUT VIRGINIA IS GOING TO HAVE THE HIGHEST PEANUT YIELD, AVERAGE PEANUT YIELD OF ANY STATE. IT'S GOING TO BE A RECORD CROP SO THAT THEY ARE IN A PLACE ON THE COVER. WELL, I'M JUST SAYING THAT THE IMPORTANCE OF PEANUTS. OKAY. IT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH OUR. THAT'S OUR PRODUCTIVITY. RIGHT. SO THAT'S EITHER IS IT. THAT'S NOT PEANUTS AND THEN I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL ARE WELL AND I KNOW I'M GOING TO REPRESENT THE AG COMMUNITY OKAY. BECAUSE I'M A FARMER, BUT SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY HAS THE MOST CENTURY FARM POCKETS OF ANY COUNTY IN THE STATE. I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL KNEW THAT OR NOT. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE STAND ON THE AG AND FORESTRY DISTRICT, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE HIT THE CENTURY FARMS, WHICH IS 100 YEARS OR MORE. [01:35:01] WE DO HAVE THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF ANY COUNTY IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA. SO I THINK THAT'S PRETTY REMARKABLE. BUT, I'M NOT GOING TO WHAT YOU SAY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING NEXT MONTH. THAT'S CORRECT. WELL, I HAD A QUESTION. DOES ANYBODY HAVE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH THEM TONIGHT? I GUESS I BROUGHT MY. BUT, MS. LEWIS, DO YOU HAVE A COPY IN FRONT OF YOU BY ANY CHANCE? WELL, I'M GOING TO. I'M BORROWING JACK'S GLASSES, BY THE WAY, AND THEY'RE WORKING PART WAY. [INAUDIBLE] BUT, THERE'S ON PAGE 33, AND I GUESS THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT. I HAD SEVERAL NOTES, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE YOU DO EXTRA LEGWORK AT THIS POINT. BUT IT WAS THE THINGS ABOUT THE INDUSTRIAL SOLAR THAT I DIDN'T REALLY LIKE. I DIDN'T LIKE THE LANGUAGE. BUT I DON'T MEAN THAT'S JUST MY OPINION, BUT ONE THING THAT DID CONCERN ME, AND THIS GOES BACK TO AGRICULTURE, FORESTRY, FISHING AND HUNTING. IF I'M READING THIS CORRECTLY AND LET ME READ THE PARAGRAPH, IT'S ON MAJOR EMPLOYERS AND WAGE DATA AND THAT'S, HEADING. AND IT SAYS THE LARGEST EMPLOYMENT SECTOR IN THE COUNTY IS GOVERNMENT, WHICH IS 1383, WHICH I THINK THAT'S PERSONNEL WITH 733IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT, 556 IN STATE GOVERNMENT AND 45 IN FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PERSONNEL, CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. FOLLOWED BY MANUFACTURING 362. WHOLESALE TRADE IS 348, RETAIL TRADE 330. HEALTH CARE AND SOCIAL ASSISTANCE 194. ACCOMMODATION AND FOOD SERVICES 139. AND HERE'S THE POINT I'M GETTING THAT. AND AGRICULTURE, FORESTRY, FISHING AND HUNTING AT 132. I QUESTIONED THAT NUMBER. I WOULD THINK. WELL, I THINK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF FARMS, JUST THE FARMS ITSELF AND JUST BEING ONE. IF THERE WAS ONE PROPRIETOR PER FARM, IT WOULD ALMOST EQUATE TO THAT NUMBER. BUT NOW THINK ABOUT ALL THE ONES IN FORESTRY. I'M NOT SURE WHAT. I GUESS I KNOW WHAT TIME IT EMPLOYED. I DON'T KNOW WHO'S EMPLOYED BY FISHING AND HUNTING OTHER THAN THE REGULATORS. THE GAME WARDENS, THAT TYPE OF THING. BUT, MR. DATA FORESTRY, I MEAN, ANYBODY IN THE FORESTRY BUT YOURSELF AND THE LOGGERS AND THEN THEIR EMPLOYEES. IS THAT CORRECT, MS. LEWIS? WOULD THAT BE A CORRECT ASSUMPTION, OR AM I MISSING SOMETHING? I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT. THESE NUMBERS ARE FROM THE VIRGINIA. I UNDERSTAND THAT I'M NOT QUESTIONING YOUR AUTHORITY. I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T KNOW IF THAT NUMBER IS REFLECTIVE WHOLEHEARTEDLY AND THE NUMBER REPRESENTING THOSE FOUR INDUSTRIES COULD BE. I THINK JUDY ROSE HAS 43 EMPLOYEES. AND I'M THINKING THAT IF IT'S FROM THE VIRGINIA EMPLOYMENT COMMISSION, IT'S PROBABLY A CLASSIFICATION ISSUE BECAUSE SOME OF THEM MAY NOT REGISTER AS FORESTER. THEY MIGHT BE TRUCKERS, THEY MAY BE TRUCKING. YEAH OKAY. BECAUSE BECAUSE BECAUSE DAVIS OWENS. CORRECT. I GUESS A TRUCKING, A LOGGING, WHICH ARE REALLY THE SAME. I MEAN, BECAUSE THEY'RE CUTTING THE TREES AND THE LOGGING OPERATION IS PROBABLY 90% HIS OWN TREES. AND THEN THEY HAVE THE, WHAT, LIKE SOUTHEASTERN VIRGINIA FIBER OR SO IT'S PROBABLY A TAX FILING. AND THEN IT GOES TO THE VIRGINIA EMPLOYMENT COMMISSION OF YOUR [INAUDIBLE]. AND IT MAY BE A BENEFIT TO BE. SCHEMATICS. BUT IT'S NOT THAT I AGREE WITH YOU. IT'S NOT. I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THEM ARE REALLY ACCURATE. I MEAN, I QUESTION, SIR, MAYBE THE STATE GOVERNMENT OR THE SCHOOLS OR WHATEVER, BUT EVEN THE BUSINESSES, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ACCURATE OR NOT. AND I JUST WONDER IF THAT IS ANY WAY THOSE NUMBERS COULD BE MISINTERPRETED BY. I KNOW SOMETIMES WHEN THERE'S A. I HAVE BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS AT THE SUPERVISORS MEETING YEARS AGO, AND I WAS DISEMBARKED BY THE COMMENT THAT AGRICULTURE IS SUCH A SMALL SEGMENT, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS, IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE A VERY SMALL SEGMENT. BUT I UNDERSTAND. MS LEWIS, WHERE SHE'S FROM SHE'S GOT TO RECITE NUMBERS FROM, FROM DATA. BUT I QUESTION THE DATA. SO IF NOTHING ELSE, COULD WE JUST PUT A QUESTION MARK BEHIND THE STATEMENT BECAUSE I QUESTIONED THOSE I DO QUESTION THOSE FIGURES. I DON'T THINK THEY'RE ACCURATE. I DON'T THINK IT'S AN ACCURATE ASSUMPTION. I CAN THINK OF FOUR LOGGING OPERATIONS AND IT WOULD BE ALMOST 100, BUT WE GOT 100, JUST 100 OF JUST FOR THAT I'M THINKING OF. YES, EASILY I AGREE. IS THERE A FOOTNOTE THAT SAYS THESE THIS DATA IS BASED ON REPORTS FROM WHOEVER LIKE [01:40:03] A FOOTNOTE. AND THAT WAY THAT CHART, YOU KNOW, AND THEN IT SAYS MAY NOT REFLECT TRUE NUMBERS. TRUE. NO. THERE'S NO IF YOU WANT TO COME TAKE A LOOK AT IT, MS. LEWIS. YOU'RE WELCOME. BUT I DON'T SEE I DON'T I DIDN'T SEE IT. NOW THAT'S NOT THAT WAS A PARAGRAPH. NOT A CHART. OH A PARAGRAPH, YES, MA'AM. BUT ANYWAY, YOU KNOW, I JUST DISCLAIMER OF SOME SORT. RIGHT? RIGHT. MIGHT HELP. RIGHT. SO THAT THEY KNOW. YES. THESE ARE NUMBERS PROVIDED BY SOME DATA CORPORATION BUT THEY'RE NOT ABSOLUTELY REFLECTIVE OF WELL, THIS SAYS EMPLOYMENT OR IS IT THE CENSUS. NO YOU'RE RIGHT. THE END OF THIS PARAGRAPH SAYS A TOTAL OF 3459 PERSONS WERE SHOWN AS WORKING IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY IN THE THIRD QUARTER OF 2022 BY THE VIRGINIA EMPLOYMENT COMMISSION. DID YOU CALL THEM A COMMISSION? THAT'S WHERE THE NUMBERS COME FROM, THE VIRGINIA EMPLOYMENT COMMISSION. OKAY, SO THAT WOULD BE DEBATABLE. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE THAT ON BUT JUST CAUGHT MY ATTENTION AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE ELSE THOSE NUMBERS COULD COME FROM. AND IF THEY'RE FROM THE VIRGINIA EMPLOYMENT COMMISSION. AND THERE. TAX BASED OR SKEWED OR SOMETHING. IT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME IN EVERY COUNTY. THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN AGRICULTURE AND FORESTRY AND RETAIL ARE GOING TO BE MEASURED THE SAME IN EVERY COUNTY. OKAY, OKAY. BECAUSE YOUR LLC MAY YOUR CPA MAY CLASSIFY IT AS LOG IS NOT LOGGING IS TRUCKING. AND YOUR YOUR TRUCKING COMPANY WILL HAVE PROBABLY HALF THE EMPLOYEES FOR INSURANCE REASONS. WORKMAN'S COMP. YEAH. AND SO THERE'S GOING TO BE CLASSIFICATIONS FOR PROBABLY THREE DIFFERENT COMPANIES FOR ONE LOGGER. AND THAT'S NORMALLY HOW THEY SET IT UP. SO THAT'S PROBABLY WATERING DOWN THE LOGGING COMMUNITY. AND MAYBE THE FARMING COMMUNITY. HAS SOMETHING SIMILAR WITH, WITH THEIR ENTITIES. THAT'S THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK. I JUST, I THINK LOGGING THE FORESTRY INDUSTRY IN AGRICULTURE INDUSTRY, I JUST HATE I DON'T LIKE SEEING THEM AT THE LAST PLACE I DO THINK IT'S A VITAL PART. A LOT OF PEOPLE INTERTANGLED [INAUDIBLE]. IT JUST GOES SO FAR, BUT ALL OF US VITAL TO OUR ECONOMY. BUT I JUST DIDN'T LIKE TO SEE THAT AT THE END, I DIDN'T LIKE THAT. BUT OKAY, THAT'S WHAT STATISTICS IS REPORTING. I THOUGHT IT WAS MORE PEOPLE WORKING IN ACCOUNTING THAN THAT AS WELL. IF THAT'S ALL THE EMPLOYMENT THAT WE THAT'S WHAT IT'S SAYING. THAT'S ALL EMPLOYMENT WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY IS THE 3459 PEOPLE. YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT IT READS. BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT EITHER. SO ANYWAY, ONE THING WE DIDN'T ADDRESS, AND, MS. LEWIS, THAT WAS A GREAT REMINDER OF BACK TO BATTERY STORAGE FOR RENEWABLE ENERGY. AND YOU REMEMBER THE, IT WAS AN APPLICATION BACK EARLY IN THE YEAR LAST YEAR OVER ON, GENERAL THOMPSON HIGHWAY. AND WE KNOW IT NEVER COME BACK BEFORE US. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, OUTLINED, ABOUT, WHEN AND WHERE AND HOW AND SETBACKS AND BUT I THE ONLY REASON I BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION THERE. I'VE READ A LOT OF HORROR STORIES ABOUT THESE CONTAINER BATTERIES, ABOUT THE SHORTING OUT AND THE FIRES AND THE POTENTIAL OF TOXIC. I WOULDN'T WANT TO NEXT TO A HOUSE. I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE CLOSE TO IT, BUT I AND I'M NOT AGAINST. I'M JUST SAYING WE AT SOME POINT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT. COULD THAT MAY BE A GROWING ISSUE FOR US, BUT OH JUST KEEP YOUR EYES PEELED, YOU KNOW? AND IF YOU SEE ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. BUT I HAVE READ SOME ARTICLES THAT, THEY HAVE SOME HAZARDS. ANYWAY, HERE'S A COUPLE OTHER THINGS. BUT IF YOU ALL I'M NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND BE THE ONLY ONE. I'M NOT I'M NOT TRYING TO DRUM UP OTHER ISSUES HAD TO END. BUT I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF CONCERNS AND, I MEAN, WE WILL ADDRESS IT ABLE TO GET CLOSER TO IT, BUT IT WAS A COUPLE OF CONFLICTING. WE RECOGNIZE THE VIABILITY OF OUR FOREST, LAND AND AGRICULTURAL LANDS AND THEN ON THE BACK SIDE, THERE WAS A STATEMENT THAT WE ENCOURAGE, YOU KNOW, THIS SOLAR, BUT THEY GOT TO CONFORM TO OUR ORDINANCE, WHICH. HE'S A LITTLE BIT CONTRADICTORY, YOU KNOW, AND. SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD SAY THE WORD ENCOURAGE OR NOT. IT'S PRESUMABLE WHERE IT'S VIABLE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I ENCOURAGE IT OR NOT. [01:45:05] AND I'LL SAY THIS [INAUDIBLE] I HAVEN'T BEEN BY THE NEWSOMS PROJECT, I JUST I'M NOT GETTING OUT THAT MUCH, BUT YET AND STILL. I WENT DOWN TO NORTH CAROLINA TODAY, AND WHEN I WENT BACK TO MY BIRTH SITE, IT WAS ABOUT A THIRD. MR. MANN IT WAS THE THIRD, EAST THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN ABOUT 2:30 IN THE AFTERNOON. THERE WAS A THIRD THERE WAS FACING ABSOLUTELY EAST. THERE WAS ABOUT APPROXIMATELY A THIRD APPROXIMATE THAT WOULD ABSOLUTELY LEVEL. AND THEN THE OTHER THIRD WERE KIND OF MORE OR LESS THAN THE WESTERLY, WHICH IS WHAT THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN I STILL HAVE GREAT. I KNOW WE'RE READING A LOT ABOUT SOLAR, AND IT'S IN OUR GENERAL ASSEMBLY, AND I APPRECIATE WHAT OUR BOARD HAS DONE, AND OUR LEGISLATORS. BUT BEING IN TOUCH AND BEING ON TOP OF THE GAME, I'M JUST. IF THESE THINGS ARE SO NECESSARY, THEY SHOULD BE WORKING ALL THE TIME. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THE ONES TO THE EAST AT 2:30 IN THE AFTERNOON ARE NOT WORKING. THEY'RE NOT WORKING. AND I'VE ALWAYS SEEN THIS AT THE NEWSOMS SITE, BUT I HAVEN'T BEEN BY THE NEWSOMS SITE IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS. BUT I WAS IN MUSSELBURGH TODAY AND I TOLD THE GUY TO RIDE WITH ME. I SAID, CHECK THAT OUT. I SAID, WHAT'S WRONG THERE? HE SAID, AND HE TOLD ME. HE SAID, WELL, HE SAID, I ALWAYS THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING THE SAME WAY. I SAID, WELL THAT'S A TOTAL IT IS AN ARRAY. IT'S A DISARRAY. IT'S WHAT IT WAS. BUT ANYWAY, ANYBODY GOT ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY. YEAH, I GUESS EVERYBODY'S HEARD. BILL 636 DIED YESTERDAY. IT'S UNDER ONE WHERE THEY GO TO THE STATE CORPORATION COMMISSION. IF YOU GET RIGHT TO NEUTRALIZE OUR ORDINANCE. AND EVERYBODY'S ORDERED SOME SOLAR. AND I READ SOME OTHER THINGS IN A REPUTABLE MAGAZINE. 18% OF THE COUNTIES IN THIS COUNTRY HAVE BANNED SOLAR. THAT'S INTERESTING. IN THIS COUNTRY. IN THIS COUNTRY. COUNTIES. I'VE GOT ONE OTHER QUESTION, AND THEN WE'LL STOP. BUT I'M GOING TO ASK MISS LEWIS AND MR. RANDALL YOU ARE KIND OF AUTHORITIES. SO THIS BILL THAT WAS BEING THAT WAS PRESENTED IT MAY COME BACK LATER, I UNDERSTAND, IN YEARS TO COME. BUT IN SOUTHAMPTON. IT REQUIRES A REZONING FIRST. CORRECT. IF IT'S AGRICULTURAL LAND. CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY, SO THE RIGHT NOW TO THE STATE CORPORATION COMMISSION. CAN THEY DEMAND WE REZONE AND THEN GO FORWARD WITH A PASSING APPLICATION? NOT RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE. THE BILL WAS THE BUT I MEAN AVENUE TO DO THAT SO IT COULD SUPERSEDE REZONING. IT'S I READ THE BILL. IF I GO THROUGH THE LOCAL PROCESS AND IF IT WAS DENIED AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, THEN THEY COULD APPEAL TO THE STATE CORPORATION COMMISSION SAVING GRACE PROVISION, BUT THAT WASN'T THAT ON AGRICULTURAL LAND. I THINK IT WAS ON ANY LAND, WASN'T IT? ANY? I PROCEED TO BE NOW THAT'S MY PERCEPTION. ANY LAND, THE WAY THAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED. RIGHT. THIS CAME FROM DELEGATE SULLIVAN FROM FAIRFAX. USUAL NORTH, NORTHERN VIRGINIA WANTED TO TELL US HOW TO LIVE DOWN HERE. AND HE VOWED IT WAS GOING TO COME BACK NEXT YEAR AND TRY IT AGAIN. FORTUNATELY, IF WE STILL HAVE THE GOVERNOR WE HAVE NOW, HE WILL VOTE TO VETO IT. HE HAS SAID HE WILL VETO IT NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS. NOW. LORD HELP US, WE GET OF DEMOCRATIC, FAR LEFT LIBERAL GOVERNOR. LORD, AND WE DON'T GET TO CONTROL. GET SOME CONSERVATIVES IN OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT. WHO KNOWS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. ALL RIGHT. SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS SO IF AN INDUSTRY [INAUDIBLE]. IF THEY WANTED TO COME IN AND PUT ANOTHER PLANT. IF FOR SOME REASON WE DIDN'T WANT TO OBLIGE OR GET THE GRANT REZONED? COULD THE STATE CORPORATION COMMISSION THEN KNOW IT WAS JUST FOR SOLAR? IT WAS JUST FOR JUST THE SOLAR. JUST FOR SOLAR. WHICH BRINGS UP CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT. BUT THAT'S NEITHER. BUT THEY DO HAVE THE AUTHORITY. YEAH. AND VIVA STOCK IS SELLING FOR LESS THAN $1.31. OKAY. NEXT I HEARD I DOUBT IF THEY'RE GOING TO PUT ANOTHER PLANT HERE. OKAY. I'M DONE. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? [01:50:03] MS. ALLSTON, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU THE PLEASURE TONIGHT TO CALL THE MEETING. OH. YES, MA'AM. TO CALL THE FOR ADJOURNMENT. I MOVE THAT WE ADJOURN THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO I HAVE A SECOND? YOU ALL HAVE A SAFE TRIP HOME AND THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.