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>> IT'S 7:30 LET'S GET STARTED.
TODAY'S DATE IS THURSDAY, NOVEMBER THE 9, 2023, 7:30 PM AT THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY OFFICE CENTER BOARDROOM.
WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER,
[I. CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL]
WOULD LIKE TO START THIS MEETING WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.IF YOU COULD PLEASE STAND, TAKE OFF YOUR HAT STEPHANIE.
CHESSON COULD YOU STEP DOWN AND SAY A PRAYER FOR US WHILE WE'RE ALL STANDING.
>> SURE WILL DO. IF YOU'D LIKE TO JOIN ME IN PRAYER PLEASE DO.
DEAR FATHER, LORD WE JUST THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE STRENGTH AND ENERGY THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US TO BE HERE TONIGHT.
LORD WE ASK THAT YOU BE IN THIS MEETING.
LORD GUIDE OUR CONVERSATIONS, LORD BE IN OUR THOUGHTS.
LORD WE THANK YOU FOR THIS COUNTY AND THE ABILITY TO GIVE GUIDANCE AND DIRECTION.
LORD WE ASK THAT YOU GIVE US MORE WISDOM, HELP US DO AND SAY THE THINGS THAT POINT OUT OTHERS TO YOU.
LORD I PRAY THESE THINGS IN YOUR SON JESUS'S NAME AMEN.
BEFORE WE GET STARTED TO THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, I SHOULD'VE SAID THIS EARLIER, BUT OUR CHAIRMAN, MR. MICHAEL DRAKE WAS INVOLVED IN AN ACCIDENT.
I BELIEVE IT WAS AT HIS FARM AND HE IS CURRENTLY AT SKILLED CARE IN SOUTHAMPTON MEMORIAL.
WE WOULD JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO HAVE HIM AND HIS FAMILY IN OUR PRAYERS.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT HE'S DOING WELL AND RECOVERING BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A FAIRLY LONG RECOVERY PERIOD.
WE'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH HIS FAMILY AND HIS WIFE, WE JUST WANT TO THINK ABOUT THEM AND WISH HIM A SPEEDY RECOVERY.
I'M SURE HE WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME OF US TO COME AND VISIT HIM AT SOME POINT.
SO WE JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT HE'S IN OUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS.
ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD?
>> I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT MENTIONING HIM IN THE PRAYER.
I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED HIM THOUGH.
>> I JUST THOUGHT AFTER WE SAID THE PRAYER THAT I SHOULD HAVE PROBABLY ANNOUNCED THAT BEFORE WE PRAY.
I'M DOING THE BEST THAT I CAN UP HERE.
LET'S MOVE ON TO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OCTOBER 2023.
[II. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
HAS EVERYONE REVIEWED THE MINUTES? ANYBODY HAVE ANY MOTIONS OR COMMENTS?>> WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
>> THOSE OPPOSED TO THE MINUTES SAY NAY.
THERE BEING NONE. THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED, MS. LEWIS.
MOVING ON TO OUR PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
SECTION 3 OF OUR AGENDA, OUR PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS ANYONE IN THE GALLERY, ANYTHING ON YOUR MIND HAVE TO HAVE COMMENTS.
SHERIFF WYCHE A VERY CONVINCING VICTORY.
CONGRATULATIONS SHERIFF WYCHE ON THAT VICTORY THAT YOU HAD AND ALL OF OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS.
WE'VE GOT SOME VERY GOOD OFFICIALS IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY THAT WE SHOULD BE PROUD OF.
BUT ELECTION DAY'S OVER SO WE CAN NOW PICK UP ALL THOSE SIGNS.
LET'S OPEN UP OUR PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, ANYBODY CAN COMMENT ON JUST ABOUT ANYTHING ON YOUR MIND.
NO COMMENTS. WE'VE HAD ELECTION DAY SO EVERYBODY MADE THEIR COMMENTS.
NOBODY HAS ANYTHING? ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS FROM OUR BOARD? EVERYBODY HAVING A GOOD WEEK? [LAUGHTER] GOT TO HAVE SOMETHING.
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DR. EDWARDS LOOKS LIKE HE'S HAD A ROUGH WEEK AT THE HOSPITAL.>> MS. LEWIS, ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS FROM BUILDING AND INSPECTIONS? EVERYTHING GOING GOOD?
>> EVERYTHING IS GOING FINE. THANK YOU.
>> ALRIGHT. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT, PERIOD, IF NO ONE HAS ANY COMMENTS WE WILL CLOSE THIS.
WE'RE GOING HAVE A QUICK MEETING TONIGHT IT LOOKS LIKE, CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
WE HAVE SECTION 4 A PUBLIC HEARING THAT HAS BEEN ADVERTISED PURSUANT TO A STATUTE
[IV. PUBLIC HEARING]
RZA 2023;O3 APPLICATION BY MAURICE COPELAND LEMONTREE TRUCKING INC OWNER FOR A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FROM A-1, AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TO CB-2, CONDITIONAL GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT TO CONSTRUCT A 15,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE WAREHOUSE AND YARD SPACE FOR PARKING AND STORAGE OF EQUIPMENT.THE PROPERTY IS KNOWN AS TAX PARCEL 76-32B, AND TOTAL 6.034 ACRES.
IT IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF NEW MARKET ROAD, SR 688, APPROXIMATELY 2,200 FEET EAST OF ITS INTERSECTION WITH SOUTHAMPTON PARKWAY, US 58.
THE PROPERTY IS IN THE SOUTHEAST VOTING DISTRICT AND THE FRANKLIN MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
MS. LEWIS, COULD YOU PLEASE BRING ANY SPECIFICS TO LIGHT FOR THIS APPLICATION?
>> YES, THANK YOU. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR ZONING MAP AMENDMENT.
THE APPLICANT PROVIDED A SUMMARY OF WHAT THEY PLAN TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY.
MANY OF THE CONCERNS THAT YOU HAD LAST MONTH WITH THE NON-SPECIFICITY OF THE REQUEST LAST MONTH HAVE BEEN SUPPLIED BY THIS APPLICANT.
THE APPLICANT IS THE PROPERTY OWNER, MAURICE COPELAND, HE PLANS TO OPEN HIS TRUCKING FACILITY THERE AND HAVE A WAREHOUSE AND OUTSIDE STORAGE OF EQUIPMENT.
THEY HAVE 15,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE WAREHOUSE AND HE LISTS THE THINGS IN THAT B2 ZONING DISTRICT THAT HE WOULD ALSO CONSIDER THERE.
THE PROPERTY'S BEEN IN AGRICULTURAL USE IN RECENT YEARS, BUT THE REST OF THE USES ALONG NEW MARKET ROAD IN THIS AREA INCLUDED A BUSINESS THAT SELLS BACKYARD AND AGRICULTURAL STORAGE BUILDINGS, A SELF STORAGE FACILITY, A CHURCH, A BEAT OUT OFFICE AND YARD, THE COUNTY FAIRGROUNDS, A SURVEY OR SOMEONE OFFICE, A TANK COMPANY, A FORESTRY OFFICE AND STORAGE YARDS AND SEVERAL HOMES.
AT THE FAR END ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FAIRGROUNDS, THEY ARE OUR HOMES AND A MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
THE NEW MARKET ROAD AREA WAS DESIGNATED AS INDUSTRIAL IN THE 2001 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IN THE 2007 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WAS DESIGNATED AS SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, SEEMINGLY IN CONTRAST WITH THE WELL-ESTABLISHED USES ALONG NEW MARKET ROAD.
BUT THE 2016 PLAN AMENDED THAT SINGLE-FAMILY DESIGNATION TO COMMERCIAL AND THIS REQUEST FITS IN THE COMMERCIAL PLAN DESIGNATION.
THE PROPERTY IS NOT PRIME FARMLAND, IT'S HALF ROANOKE LOAM AND APPROXIMATELY HALF TARBORO LOAMY SAND.
ALL OUR REZONING REQUEST HAVE TO GO TO THE VDOT AND THEIR COMMENTS ARE FROM THE VDOT REPRESENTATIVE, "I SPOKE WITH THE APPLICANT AND HE INDICATED THAT THE USE WOULD GENERATE 4-5 TRUCKS PER DAY.
THIS VOLUME WOULD CAUSE LITTLE IMPACT ON THE EXISTING ROADWAY.
THE ENTRANCE DESIGN WOULD BE ADDRESSED DURING THE SITE PLAN REVIEW.
THE SIGHT DISTANCE APPEARS TO BE MINIMAL.
MITIGATION MAY BE REQUIRED INCLUDING SIGN INSTALLATION, TREE CLEARING ETC., TO ENSURE SAFE ACCESS.
NEW MARKET ROAD CARRIES TODAY ABOUT 400 VEHICLE TRIPS A DAY.
AS YOU RECALL FROM LAST MONTH A TWO LANE ROAD CAN CARRY UP TO 12,000 VEHICLE TRIPS A DAY.
THIS 4-5 TRUCKS A DAY WOULD BE 8-10 TRIPS BECAUSE EACH TIME YOU GO INTO THE DRIVEWAY AND COME OUT THAT EACH COUNT AS A TRIP.
SO FOUR OR FIVE TRUCKS WOULD BE 8-10 TRIPS AND HE WILL HAVE A LIMITED NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES.
SO THIS IS NOT A BIG IMPACT ON NEW MARKET ROAD.
THE NEW MARKET ROAD GETS BUSY DURING THE WEEK OF THE FAIR, BUT THAT'S ONLY ONE WEEK A YEAR.
MOST OF THE EVENTS AT THE FAIRGROUNDS ARE HELD AND ON WEEKENDS WHEN THIS BUSINESS MAY NOT BE AS BUSY.
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THEY JUDGE WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS THROUGH ONE OF THEIR PROGRAMS IS CALLED SMART SCALE.YOU HAVE A MAP IN FRONT OF YOU AND THIS INTERSECTION, THE INTERSECTION OF NEW MARKET ROAD AND SOUTHAMPTON PARKWAY WAS AWARDED AT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS REQUEST IMPROVEMENTS.
TO IMPROVE THAT THE TURN LANES FROM BOTH EASTBOUND AND WESTBOUND BE IN THE YEAR IT WAS APPROVED, WHICH WAS I BELIEVE 2021.
THERE WERE 397 APPLICATIONS FOR FUNDING IN VIRGINIA AND THIS INTERSECTION RANKED NUMBER 19.
THAT'S A VERY HIGH RANK IN A COUNTY LIKE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY.
>> CAN YOU SAY THAT LAST PART ONE MORE TIME? I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND.
>> THERE WERE 397 APPLICATIONS PER SMART SCALE FUNDS.
>> MORE SCALE FUNDS, AND THIS WAS RANKED NUMBER 19TH, OTHER 397 STATEWIDE.
IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, IF YOU LOOK ON THIS PAGE WITH THE COLORED COLUMNS YOU SEE THAT THE RANKING THAT IS RATED, THAT IS GIVEN THE MOST WEIGHT IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
IN VDOT'S PRIORITIZATION THIS INTERSECTION IS IMPORTANT FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S WHAT THIS ROAD IS DESIGNATED AS TO BE USED AS A BUSINESS ROAD.
THE APPLICANT'S SUPPLIED A SURVEY WITH HIS APPLICATION AND IT VERY CLEARLY DELINEATES A DITCH DOWN THE MIDDLE OF IT SO ANY DEVELOPMENT WOULD TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT DITCH, ALL STORM WATER REGULATIONS, OF COURSE, IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY AND THROUGHOUT VIRGINIA, ARE REQUIRED TO MEET THE SAME STORM WATER REQUIREMENTS AND NO MORE STORM WATER CAN LEAVE THIS SITE AFTER DEVELOPMENT AS IT LEAVES THE SITE BEFORE.
THAT WOULD ALL BE DONE AT THE SITE PLAN STAGE.
THERE IS A SMALL AREA OF 500-YEAR FLOODPLAIN, WHICH IS NOT A REGULATED FLOODPLAIN.
>> I'M ASSUMING THAT WHAT IT IS, BUT IT DOES NOT HAVE A GORGE AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT FOLLOWS RIGHT ALONG THAT.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A WATERSHED.
>> THE PINK WITH THE BLUE LINE.
>> YEAH THAT'S 500 YEAR, THAT IS 2/10 OF A PERCENT CHANCE OF FLOODING PER YEAR.
>> A GOOD SANDY SPOT FOR SOME STORAGE.
>> FEATURE. I RECEIVED ONE TELEPHONE CUP THAT NO ONE LIVES ON THE PROPERTY UNLIKE LAST MONTH THERE WERE SEVERAL TENANTS WHO LIVED ON THE PROPERTY.
NO ONE LIVES ON THIS PROPERTY.
I DID RECEIVE A CALL FROM AN ABIDING PROPERTY OWNER WHO HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT ACCESS AND STORM WATER.
MAURICE COPELAND IS HERE THIS EVENING IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR HIM, AND THE ABIDING PROPERTY OWNER WHO IS ALSO NAMED MR. COPELAND IS HERE.
DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR HIM? I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE STORM WATER.
DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE PARKING AREA HAS TO BE A PERMEABLE SURFACE RATHER THAN A HARD SURFACE, HOW DO YOU HANDLE STORM WATER DRAINAGE LIKE THAT?
>> IT MAY HAVE TO BE A FEATURE, IT MAY HAVE TO BE A WET OR DRY POND, DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH OF THE PROPERTY IS PAVED OVER OR ROCKED OVER, THERE MIGHT BE A WAY TO DO SOME GRADING THAT USES UNDEVELOPED PARTS OF THE LAND FOR STORM WATER ON THE SIX ACRE LOT THAT MIGHT BE HARD.
>> THAT'S STILL WITH THE SITE PLAN STAGE WHERE THEY DETERMINE WHETHER A BNP SO HE'S GOING TO SUBMIT A SITE PLAN, WHETHER IT'S ROCK OR PAVEMENT.
IF THERE'S A LOT OF PAVEMENT WITH TRUCKS, THE MOST LIKELY AND I'M SPEAKING FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE AND HAVING TO PAY FOR IT A BNP POND AND THAT IS PRETTY MUCH DEALT WITH ON THE STATE STATISTICAL LEVEL, WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH IT OR NOT.
IF THEY SAY YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT AND IT'S A SQUARE FOOTAGE FORMULA AND THERE ISN'T MUCH DEBATE, IT'S EITHER APPROVED OR NOT APPROVED.
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>> WE BREAKING PRINTS IN OUR OFFICES STORM WATER MANAGER AND PLAN REVIEWER SO HE DOES THAT FOR SITES ALL OVER SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY.
>> I WAS JUST CURIOUS AS TO HOW YOU DETERMINE THE SURFACE TREATMENT AND HOW THAT HAPPENS SO THAT IT DOESN'T IMPACT ENVIRONMENTALLY.
>> SURPRISINGLY, FOR STORM WATER PURPOSES, WHETHER YOU USE ROCK OR PAVEMENT, THEY'RE BOTH CONSIDERED IMPERVIOUS.
>> I GOT ONE QUESTION. THAT IS A BLIND CURVE, MANY TRUCKS ARE GOING TO BE LONG COMING IN AND OUT OF THERE.
I'M GOOD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT BUT WHO OWNS A LAND ACROSS THE STREET, IS THAT VDOT LAND?
>> WAS THAT SOMETHING THEY WOULD HAVE TO THIN OUT TO MAKE THE VISION BETTER TO GO AROUND THE CURVE?
>> THAT WOULD BE ALL TAKEN CARE OF AT THE SITE PLAN STAGE, AND THE SITE PLANS ARE ALSO REVIEWED BY VDOT.
BUT IT IS BETWEEN THIS PROPERTY AND SOUTHAMPTON PARKWAY IT'S ABOUT 500 FEET OF WOODED AREA.
IT'S A CONVENIENT SITE FOR TRUCKING FACILITY, BUT IT'S NOT SEEN BY EVERYBODY WHO'S DRIVING DOWN THE SOUTHAMPTON PARKWAY.
BUT IF DEVELOPMENT WAS LIMITED TO NON CURVY ROADS IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, THERE WOULDN'T BE MUCH DEVELOPMENT.
>> WHAT'S THE TIMELINE ON THE IMPROVEMENTS ON 58? I KNOW YOU SAID IT WAS PART OF THAT PLAN AND WAS RANKED 19TH, WHERE ARE WE AT WITH THAT LIST OF IMPROVEMENTS TO THE STATE?
[LAUGHTER] THEY HAVE BEEN THE INTERSECTION WHERE THAT LOVES IS THAT INTERCHANGE.
THE COUNTY RECEIVED A GRANT TO IMPROVE THAT INTERSECTION IN 2017.
I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE STARTING TO DIG SOME HOLES OUT THERE NOW.
WHO KNOWS WHEN THAT WILL BE DONE.
BUT THAT WAS THIS SMART SCALE GRANT WAS DONE LONG BEFORE THIS PROJECT WAS PROPOSED VDOT THAT WAS GOING TO IMPROVE THIS INTERSECTION REGARDLESS OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
>> CAN WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW? FOR OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING OF RCA 2023;3.
[NOISE] NOW OPEN, THE APPLICANT YOU CAN SAY SOME WORDS YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
IF YOU LIKE, ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THIS APPLICATION.
NOW IS THE TIME TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS FOR OR AGAINST, OR YOU CAN EVEN BE NEUTRAL.
WE DON'T MIND. MICROPHONE'S OPEN.
I ALWAYS LIKE TO GIVE MISS UP DYE GETTING HERE TODAY.
I ALWAYS LIKE TO GIVE PEOPLE PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY TO TALK.
EVEN IF THEY SAY THE SAME THING FIVE OR SIX TIMES.
>> GOOD EVENING. NAME IS PETER COPELAND.
I RESIDE AT 29075 BETHANY SCHOOL ROAD, IMD, ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER.
I'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS FOR MS. LEWIS.
I PULLED UP AND AND I RECOGNIZE MY IGNORANCE, NOT REALLY UNDERSTANDING ZONING BUT WHEN I LOOK ON THE LIMITED M1, THE PURPOSE OF THIS DISTRICT IS FOR FREIGHT DISTRIBUTION AND WAREHOUSING.
THEN WHEN I LOOK ON THE B2 IT CLEARLY STATES WHICH USES ARE NOT CHARACTERIZED BY EXTENSIVE WAREHOUSING AND THE FREQUENT HEAVY TRUCK TRAFFIC.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY THIS FITS IN A B2 ZONING AND NOT THE M1 ZONE?
>> BECAUSE SIX ACRES AND FOUR OR FIVE TRUCKS AND 15,000 SQUARE FEET OF WAREHOUSING IS NOT EXTENSIVE TRUCK TRAFFIC OR EXTENSIVE WAREHOUSING.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO MR. COPELAND.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT SITES THE SIZE OF THIS CEDAR LANE PROJECT LAST WEEK, OR THE CAMP PARKWAY PROJECT LAST WEEK WITH HUNDREDS OF ACRES OF PROPERTY THAT'S EXTENSIVE TRUCK TRAFFIC AND EXTENSIVE WAREHOUSING, BUT 15,000 SQUARE FEET, FOUR OR FIVE TRUCKS A DAY, A HANDFUL OF EMPLOYEES IS NOT EXTENSIVE WAREHOUSING.
>> FOUR OR FIVE TRUCKS A DAY, IF YOU DO THE MATH, THAT COMES OUT AT ABOUT 1,250 PER YEAR.
ARE THERE ANY GUARANTEES THAT THE TRUCK TRAFFIC WILL STAY AT THIS POINT? IF MR. COPELAND ADDS ANOTHER TEN TRUCKS, ARE THERE ANY PROFFER TO SAY IT'S GOING TO STAY AT THIS LEVEL IT WAS.
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>. HE SAID THAT HE WOULD GENERATE FOUR TO FIVE TRUCKS A DAY IF HE WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THAT, THEN HE CAN DO THAT.IF HE DECIDES THAT HIS BUSINESS NEEDS TO GROW, THEN HE CAN SUBSTANTIALLY NOT TO SIX TRUCKS OR EIGHT TRUCKS, BUT TO 20 TRUCKS, HE CAN COME BACK TO THIS BOARD AND SEEK A REVIEW AND EVERY SITE PLAN IS REVIEWED BY VDOT AND SO HE WOULD HAVE TO AMEND THE SITE PLAN MOST LIKELY IF HE WAS GOING TO HOUSE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF EXTRA TRUCKS.
>> WHO MAKES THAT CALL? WHO OVERSEES?
>> EVERY SITE PLAN THAT COMES TO OUR OFFICE.
>> WHO OVERSEES IF IT INCREASES? IF TRUCK TRAFFIC INCREASES, WHO OVERSEES THAT? IS WHAT I'M ASKING.
>> IF THE TRAFFIC OR THE DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM, IF IT'S NOTED BY ME OR YOU OR ANYBODY ELSE THAT'S USING THE ROAD, THAT THERE'S 20 TRUCKS IN AND OUT OF THEIR DAY, RATHER THAN FOUR OR FIVE OR EIGHT TRUCKS A DAY, THEN WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH MAURICE COPELAND.
>> I RECKON WHAT CONFUSES ME IS, AND I THINK DOUG, YOU ARE PROBABLY ON THIS COMMISSION BACK AT THAT TIME, BUT ROBERT BARNETT WAS THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
MY BROTHER, BIRD BLUR, BLAKE BLUR AND MYSELF HAD TO CHANGE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IN ORDER TO CHANGE THAT TO A B-ZONING.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER THAT OR NOT, BUT WE DID.
BUT WHAT CONFUSES ME IS, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU ALL HAVE IT ON YOUR MAP AND NOT, BUT EACH ONE OF MY BEGINNING ROWS OF SELF STORAGE HAD TO BE A PLAT WHICH WAS SURVEYED SEPARATELY.
THEN MR. BURNETT LEAVES AND MS. LEWIS COMES IN AND MS. LEWIS, YOUR INTERPRETATION, WHICH IS THE SELF STORAGE, COULD BE ALLOWED UNDER WAREHOUSING, WHICH IS M1.
MY CURRENT ZONING I BELIEVE IS M1.
IT HAS CONFUSED ME THAT SELF STORAGE IS ALLOWED ON THE M1, BUT NOW I'VE GOT AN AFRAID DEPOT OR WAREHOUSE OR WHATEVER COMING NEXT TO ME THAT'S ALLOWED ON THE B.
>> VERY CONFUSING. I AGREE 100%.
>> THE ADJACENT, YOUR PROPERTY IS ZONED B2 GENERAL COMMERCIAL.
I REMEMBER THAT WHEN YOU WANTED TO ADD THIS LATEST SET OF WAREHOUSING, YOU AND YOUR SON CAME AND TALKED TO ME.
>> BUT IF I KEEP COMING ACROSS THAT FIELD, IT GOES TO M1.
>> BUT THIS AREA IS ZONED B2, YOUR PROPERTY THAT APPLIES [OVERLAPPING]
>> BUT THE LAST TWO OR THREE ZONINGS WE DID, WHEN WE WERE HERE IN WEST, WERE ALL ON M1 PROPERTY.
>> I REALLY CAN'T TAKE ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT ROBERT BARNETT USED TO DO.
>> WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I'M SAYING YOU'RE ALLOWING SELF STORAGE TO GO ON THE M1 AND THEN I'VE GOT A TRUCKING FIRM NEXT TO ME THAT'S DOING WAREHOUSE AND THAT GOES ON THE B2.
I'M JUST CONFUSED. THAT'S HOW IT WORKS THAT WAY.
>> YOU SAW WHAT I JUST READ [INAUDIBLE] SCALE, IT'S WHAT BRINGS IT ON THE B2.
>> WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LIST OF PERMITTED USES IN THE B2 ZONING DISTRICT, WAREHOUSING HAS A PERMITTED USE.
>> I AM PROBABLY THE STRONGEST ADVOCATE OF THE RIGHT TO PROPERTY OWNERS IN THIS COUNTY.
IF SOME OF YOU ALL REMEMBER, I SPOKE ABOUT A SOLAR PROJECT A WHILE BACK.
I FEEL STRONGLY AND I AM NOT AGAINST THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY.
I THINK I HAVE SOME BACKGROUND AND SOME KNOWLEDGE OF THE PROPERTY, I OWN LAND RIGHT NEXT TO IT, BUT I'VE OWNED THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR AT LEAST 10 YEARS.
I DRIVE BIG RIGS AS WE HULL A LOT OF OUR FARM PRODUCTS WITH.
WHEN WE HARVESTED THAT FIELD, WE NEVER PULLED THE TRUCK IN THERE BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE COULD SAFELY PULL ONE OUT ON THE END OF THE S-CURVES.
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ALL ALONG THAT SHOULDER THERE, YOU CAN PULL UP AND YOU CAN YOU CAN EXIT THAT FIELD ANYWHERE YOU WANT TO ALONG THERE, BECAUSE I HAVE TO DO IT WITH SPRAYERS, COMBINES, AND TRACTORS AND I'LL SAY A LITTLE PRAYER EVERY TIME I PULL OUT THERE.YOU JUST DO NOT HAVE THE VISIBILITY? LIKE I SAID, WE NEVER PULLED A BIG RIG IN THAT, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN IT OUT AND HOW THIS IS GOING TO COME DOWN.
I REALIZED THIS IS UP TO VDOT TO MAKE THIS DECISION.
BUT HOW TRUCKS OF THAT MAGNITUDE ARE GOING TO SAFELY INGRESS AND EGRESS THAT PROPERTY, I HAVE A HARD TIME SEEING.
[NOISE] I HAVE TALKED TO JASON FOWLER, I TALKED TO HIM AGAIN AFTER ME AND MS. LEWIS TALKED AND I ASKED HIM IF HAD ANYTHING CHANGED, THAT HE AND I TALKED.
WHEN I TALKED TO HIM ABOUT IT, HE SAID IT WOULD REQUIRE ENGINEERING.
IT WILL REQUIRE TRAFFIC COUNTS, PROBABLY SPEED LIMIT WOULD HAVE TO BE LOWER AND HE LISTED A LOT OF CHANGES THAT WE'D HAVE TO MAKE.
I JUST LOOK AT A HEAVY TRUCK TRAFFIC, AS SOMETHING THAT BELONGS ON 671 OFF OF A FOUR LANE HIGHWAY.
I REALIZE THAT NEW MARKET ROAD IS A MIXED BAG.
GOT SOMETHING OF EVERYTHING ON THERE, AS MS. LEWIS SAID, BUT I JUST I JUST DON'T SEE HEAVY TRUCKS COMING IN AND OUT OF THAT ROAD, ON ANY BASIS AT ALL REALLY.
YOU SEE AN OCCASIONAL DUMP TRUCK, BUT JUST RIGHT, YOU SEE 18-WHEELERS GOING IN AND OUT OF THERE.
I RECKON I'M IN NO WAY TRYING TO STOP MR. COPELAND FROM GOING THROUGH WITH HIS PLANS, BUT FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, I WOULD HOPE THAT, IT'S LOOKED AT BECAUSE I HAVE SOME CONCERNS THERE.
THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
>> IF YOU LOOK IN YOUR STAFF REPORT ON THE LIST OF THINGS THAT ARE PERMITTED IN B2 AND SOME ARE STRUCK THROUGH AND SOME ARE HIGHLIGHTED, NUMBER 42 SAYS, WHOLESALE BROKERAGE OR STORAGE ESTABLISHMENTS, WITH FLOOR AREA DEVOTED TO STORAGE OR WAREHOUSING LIMITED TO 20,000 SQUARE FEET.
THAT'S WHAT'S PERMITTED IN THE B2 ZONING DISTRICT.
IT'S AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SECOND TO LAST PAGE OF YOU'RE STAFF RECORD.
>> WHO IS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW?
YES. WHEN HE SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION.
>> THIS WAS THE PROPERTY, IT WAS FOR SALE?
>> WHEN HE SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION, HE HADN'T PURCHASED IT YET.
>> BUT NOW HE'S CLOSED AND HE'S THE OWNER?
>> I BELIEVE HE HAS A TRUCKING BUSINESS LOCATED SOME AND SUFFOLK SOMEPLACE ELSE. PLEASE.
>> WE ENCOURAGE YOU TALKING IS THAT HAPPEN. WE DON'T REQUIRE.
>> WELL, I DO HAVE A TRUCKING BUSINESS IN CHESAPEAKE, VIRGINIA, AND NOW WE ALSO TRIED TO BRING OUR BUSINESS HERE IN COPELAND, WITH THE WAREHOUSE.
WHAT MR. COPELAND SAID TO ME, I'VE BEEN DOING THE TRUCKING BUSINESS FOR ABOUT 17 YEARS AND I NOTICE THE AREA, I SEEN THE AREA IS REALLY SAFE.
I'VE BEEN AROUND THE WORLD WITH TRUST AND CERTAINLY I WON'T PUT NOTHING IN A DANGEROUS AREA.
WITH THE TREES OUT BESIDES, I PUT IT OUT SO PEOPLE COULD SEE TO TRUST COMING OUT. I HAVE NO ISSUE OF TRUST.
>> I DON'T THINK HE'S ELIMINATED SOME PROFFER.
>> IS ELIMINATED A LOT OF USES. YES.
>> A LOT OF USES, BUT I DON'T SEE ANY FENCING.
ARE THERE ANY FENCING REQUIREMENTS?
>> IT WOULDN'T BE OFFENSE. LIKE I SAID, ONCE WE GET THEM AND GRADE IT, THEN IT WILL BE FAST.
>> WE WOULDN'T WANT IT TO INHIBIT THE OTHER MR. COPELAND'S BUSINESS WHICH IS SELF STORAGE RIGHT BESIDE YOU.
NO AT FIRST I TRUST WOULD BE TO PULL UP INTO THE FENCE AS SIT BACK.
TRUST ME, PULL UP AND THEN THE FENCE WILL OPEN UP.
SO IT WON'T BE NO HINT OF HIS BUSINESS.
>> YES, WE HAVE A BUSINESS, YES.
>> DO YOU OWN THAT OR DO YOU OWN THAT?
>> I DON'T OWN IT, BUT WE DO WANT MY BUSINESS PARTNER THAT WE DO.
WE PULL THOSE BOARD, WE GOT WAREHOUSE AND
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THERE SO WE DECIDED TO BRING SOME BUSINESS OVER HERE.>> YOU SAID IT'S GOING TO BE FOUR OR FIVE TRUCKS?
>> YEAH WE'RE A SMALL BUSINESS.
>> YOU'RE PLANNING ON MOVING THE OPERATION IN CHESAPEAKE HERE SO THERE'LL BE FOUR OR FIVE TRUCKS.
THE SAME FOUR OR FIVE TRUCKS OR EXPANSION.
>> NO JUST ABOUT THE SAME FOUR BAG TRUCKS.
LIKE I SAID, SOME CUSTOMER, WE GOT LIGHT ON SOLAR PANELS AND STUFF, THEY WANTED TO STORE IT.
BASICALLY ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE. CONTAINERS COME IN.
THEN WHEN THE CUSTOMER IS READY FOR IT, THEY MIGHT SAY ON TRUCK COME PICK IT UP.
IT MIGHT NOT BE FOUR OR FIVE CHOCOLATE.
THE BRAIN HERE COULD BE A TRUCK EVERY DAY.
I MAKE ALL TENANTS HIGH WITH THE ORDERS COME IN.
I MADE MY WHOLE PRODUCT FOR ABOUT A WEEK OR TWO OFF HIM WHEN THEY WANT TO SHIP IT OUT.
IT CAN'T BE AGAINST THEM BEFORE BUT A DAY THEY COULD BE FOUR OR FIVE HOURS A WEEK, COULD BE A DAY HAS ALL DEPEND ON HOW TO ORDERS.
BUT IT WILL BE NO MORE THAN FOUR TRUCKS PER DAY.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU FOR [INAUDIBLE]
>> I SPOKE TO CARL HACKETT, FSC THE EYE WHENEVER NEW BUSINESSES CONSIDERING MOVING TO SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, I REFER THEM TO MR. HECK OVER AT FSC THE EYE.
HE SAYS THAT HE WISHES THIS WAS A BIGGER FACILITY BECAUSE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY NEEDS MORE TRUCKING FACILITIES AND TO SERVE THE AGRICULTURE AND FORESTRY AND OTHER USES IN THE COUNTY.
>> ONCE IT GETS IF IT GETS RECOMMENDED TO GET REZONED TONIGHT, DO SO.
WE WON'T SEE THE SITE PLAN OR HAVE ANY INPUT IN ANY OF THAT FROM THAT POINT FORWARD, THAT WOULD BE JUST YOUR DEPARTMENT
>> THAT'S ADMINISTRATIVE. THAT'S CORRECT.
HAVE TO REMEMBER, THIS IS SIX ACRES.
>> YOUR WONDERFUL [INAUDIBLE] WITHOUT A SITE PLAN, I FELT THAT WAS USED THE BASIS OF PLANNING COMMISSION TO SEE THE SITE PLAN BEFORE YOU WRITE AN ADJUSTMENT ON IT.
>> WELL, THIS REQUEST INCLUDES SO MUCH INFORMATION SEEING WHERE ON THE PROPERTY THAT 12,000, 15,000 SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE MIGHT BE SEEM TO NOT BE NECESSARY.
THIS IS SIX ACRES AND FOUR OR FIVE TRUCKS.
>> AND HE ELIMINATED A LOT OF THE USES.
>> AND HE ELIMINATED ALMOST ALL OF THE USES.
>> THE LAST TIME YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO SEE THAT CONDITIONAL AND WE GOT IT.
>> I'M JUST SAYING THANK GOOD PLANNING IS TO NOT MAKE THE DECISION TO HAVE A SITE PLAN.
WE CAN'T GET A SITE PLAN FOR EVERY SINGLE PROJECT BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT DEFINITIVE PURPOSE.
I THINK WE'D BE OVERLY RESTRICTIVE IF WE REQUIRED A SITE PLAN ON EVERY SINGLE.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE OVERLY RESTRICTIVE.
BUT THAT'S PHILOSOPHICAL SO WE CAN DISAGREE AND STILL BE FRIENDS.
>> IT'S GOING TO BE A 15,000 SQUARE FOOT RECTANGLE ON THE SIX ACRE PIECE PROPERTY.
>> PUBLIC HEARING IS STILL OPEN?
>> YES THE PUBLIC HEARING IS STILL OPEN.
ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? ANY OTHER COMMENTS AND RELATED TO OUR COMMENTS? I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I'M LOOKING AT MR. DRAKE IS WAY MORE ORGANIZED AT ME BECAUSE I START THROWING STUFF [INAUDIBLE].
PUBLIC HEARING FOR RCA 2023; O3 APPLICATION BY MAURICE COPELAND WITH LAMONTREE TRUCKING INC, GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, GOING ONCE GOING TWICE, CLOSED.
ANY COMMENTS, ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD, OR ANY EMOTIONS.
>> IS THAT 4-5 TRUCKS A DAY, IS THAT A BINDING PROPER? IS THAT PART OF THE AGREEMENT?
>> WOULD YOU LIKE THAT TO BE PART OF THE AGREEMENT MR. COPELAND? WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY FIVE TRUCKS A DAY? AN AVERAGE OF FIVE TRUCKS A DAY, SOME DAYS IT MIGHT BE TWO TRUCKS AT SOME DAYS IT MIGHT BE SIX TRUCKS, BUT AN AVERAGE OF FIVE TRUCKS A DAY.
>> HE'S MAKING THAT PART OF THE RECORD OF RGA 2023;3 OF THE PROVERS AND ELIMINATION OF USES AS AN AVERAGE OF FIVE TRUCKS A DAY.
>> IN FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD IS V DOTS FACILITY, CORRECT?
>> THEY USE THIS THEY'RE IN AND OUT IS BACK TOWARDS 58 MORE SO THAN IT IS BACK PAST PAY OFF BACKGROUNDS.
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>> YES. I WOULD EXPECT THAT THEY COME IN PAST THIS PROPERTY MORE SO THAN GO ALL THE WAY TO THE OTHER END.
>> EGG PLACES CLOSED, CORRECT.
ON THE RIGHT THERE BESIDE THE FACT.
>> I KNOW THERE'S A TENT RENTAL COMPANY DOWN THERE TOO.
>> I THINK HE SAW HIM ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT OF THE CHEMICAL DISTRIBUTION POLICE.
>> THEY CLOSED THAT. WE'RE TAKING SOME TRAFFIC OFF THAT ROAD, BUT ATTEMPT PLACES BETWEEN THE V DOT [INAUDIBLE]
>> THERE IS A CHURCH BUT THEY ARE TRAFFIC WOULD BE TYPICALLY SUNDAY MORNING AND PERHAPS WEDNESDAY EVENING.
ROAD CARRIES 400 VEHICLES A DAY AND IS BUILT TO CARRY 12,000 VEHICLES A DAY.
>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I GUESS YOUR DEPARTMENT TALK TO VDOT ON THE SAFETY PARTS OF THE THIN AND THE TREES AND THE SIGNAGE AND ALL THAT.
WAS MR. COPELAND RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING THOSE IMPROVEMENTS? BY THE SIGNAGE AND ALL THAT CAN BE ON VDOT?
>> YES. WELL, WHEN HE SUBMITS A SITE PLAN, VDOT WILL DECIDE WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AS FAR AS SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS.
ALL IMPROVEMENTS. THEY'LL HAVE TO PUT IN A COMMERCIAL DRIVEWAY AND THEY WILL DECIDE WHAT IMPROVEMENTS HAVE TO BE MADE, SIGNAGE OR TREE TRIMMING OR WHATEVER, AND THAT WILL BE ON MR. COPELAND'S PART.
>> BUT VDOT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SIGHT DISTANCE, CORRECT?
>> SAFETY OR THE SIGHT DISTANCE.
>> THERE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING THAT TAKES PLACE ON THE ROADS? YES. SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY DOES NOT HAVE A TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER AS AN EMPLOYEE.
>> THE LAND ACROSS THE ROAD IS FROM THE VDOT?
>> IS THERE'S ANY STATION THERE?
>> THAT'S MY THING. IF THEY WERE TO THIN THAT EDGE OUT TO WHERE YOU COULD SEE AROUND THE CURVE, IT WOULD HELP.
MR. COPELAND WOULD GET ME IN AND OUT AND PERSONAL VEHICLE IS GOING UP AND DOWN THAT.
>> THERE WILL BE A DISCUSSION BETWEEN VDOT AND MR. COPELAND.
>> AS A SAFETY PRECAUTION, I TAKE IT THAT VDOT WILL SELECT THE BEST BASE POINT FOR ENTRY AND EXIT?
>> THE MOST ECONOMICAL EVER COMES FIRST?
>> ABSOLUTELY NOT. THEY WILL NOT BE THE MOST ECONOMICAL.
>> MANY ARE CONCERNED WITH SAFETY. YES.
>> YES, IT'S COMPLETELY A SAFETY ANALYSIS.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MIGHT ADD.
LAST MONTH WE HAD AN APPLICATION IT'S VERY VAGUE AND IT LEFT A LOT OF PRESUMPTION ON THE TABLE.
THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO CONSIDER THE FACT THAT THE APPLICANT HAS GIVEN US SOMETHING TO WORK WITH AND THINGS TO CONSIDER.
>> COULD I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION?
>> WOULD YOU CLARIFY THIS. IS IT 25 LOADS A WEEK OR IS IT 35 LOADS A WEEK BECAUSE THERE'S FIVE DAYS A WEEK OR SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
>> IS HIS PROFFER, SO I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THEM.
UNDERSTAND. BUT YOU'RE NOT RUNNING THIS SEVEN DAYS A WEEK THOUGH. GOOD. THANK YOU.
>> TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECEIVE THIS APPLICATION INCENTIVE FOR APPROVAL.
>> FOR APPROVAL, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS WILL GO FORWARD TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL AND YOU'LL GET NOTICES IN THE MAIL AS TO WHEN THAT MEETING IS AS WELL.
[V. UNFINISHED BUSINESS]
UNFINISHED BUSINESS, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE DISCUSSION AND LANDSCAPE DISCUSSION.EVERYBODY COULD TURN TO THAT AND THEIR AGENDA.
IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO BE EXCUSED, WE WILL NOT BE OFFENDED.
IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO TALK ABOUT LANDSCAPING.
I KNOW THAT MR. TURNER HAS BEEN WAITING FOR THIS SECTION ALL DAY.
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>> SHE'S GOT TO LECTURE OVER IT.
>> THERE MIGHT BE A FOOTBALL GAME ON THE SEAT.
>> WE WILL OPEN UNFINISHED BUSINESS AND [NOISE] COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE DISCUSSION AND LANDSCAPING DISCUSSION.
>> YOU HAVE SUMMARIES FROM ALL THE PLANNING CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE TAKING PLACE OUTSIDE OF PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
THE ONE IN NUISANCE, THE ONE IN THE YOUNG FARMERS CLUB.
THE ONE IN THIS AUSTEN'S FACILITY AND CAITLIN'S.
YOU HAVE A LIST OF ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WERE GATHERED AT THOSE MEETINGS.
THERE HAVE BEEN IN NEWTONS, THERE WERE ABOUT 20 PEOPLE THERE.
I THINK PROBABLY HALF OF THEM ARE LEFTOVER FROM THEIR ARTS AND CLUB MEETING.
I4 HAS ABOUT 10 OR 11 PEOPLE IN THE ONE IN CAPER HEAD, SIX PEOPLE.
THAT WAS A VERY NICE, SMALL CONVERSATIONAL GROUP.
LOT OF FUN, GOOD CONVERSATION TOOK PLACE.
WILL BE AT REVEREND LUCAS'S FACILITY, THE MONDAY OF THANKSGIVING WEEK.
THAT WILL BE THE LAST NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING CONVERSATION.
>> ARE THERE GOING TO BE REFRESHMENTS THERE?
>> THERE HAVEN'T BEEN REFRESHMENTS AT ANY OF THE OTHER MEETINGS.
>> I THOUGHT THERE WAS A WORKING MEETING, A NUISANCE.
>> WELL, THERE WERE LEFTOVERS AND THEY DID OFFER THEM TO US.
>> TECHNICALLY, THERE WAS AN OFFER.
>> I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR MEMBERS ARE STEPPING UP AND THEN YOU GO GOING THE EXTRA MILE.
>> LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE AT THE DECEMBER MEETING.
>> IT'S GOT BACK FROM APP STATE.
THAT WAS A GOOD TAILGATE THERE.
>> VERY GOOD. THAT'S WHERE MY SONS WENT TO SCHOOL.
AT THE DECEMBER MEETING, YOU'LL GET THE SUMMARY FROM THE 4TH NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING AND THE COMMENTS.
HOPEFULLY, YOU'LL START TO LOOK THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT YOU HAVE AND START MAKING CHANGES OR COMMENTS OR ADDITIONS OR SUBTRACTIONS BASED ON THE COMMENTS THAT WERE COLLECTED IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE CAN SEE WHAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED ENOUGH TO SHOW UP WOULD LIKE.
THEN IN JANUARY, MAYBE YOU'LL LOOK AT IT FOR TWO MONTHS, MAYBE A LOOK AT IT IN DECEMBER AND JANUARY.
IN FEBRUARY, YOU'LL HAVE A CLEANER DRAFT.
>> SINCE YOU'VE BEEN AT ALL THE MEETINGS WITH THAT, DO YOU FORESEE A NEED TO TWEAK ANY SECTIONS SO FAR?
>> I DON'T SEE ANY COMMENTS THAT COME UP OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT ARE THINGS THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED THROUGH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
PEOPLE WANT TO PAY LESS IN TAXES AND HAVE MORE MONEY TO PAY TEACHERS.
THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY THAT $200 TRASH FEE.
[LAUGHTER] THEY DON'T WANT LAND TO BE SOLD TO FOREIGN COUNTRIES.
A COUPLE OF COMMENTS WHERE WE NEED A TOURIST LODGING FACILITY IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY.
I THINK THAT WE DO HAVE A COMMENT THAT ENCOURAGES HOTEL, MOTEL, AND SOME DEVELOPMENT LIKE THAT.
A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ABOUT NO MORE SOLAR PANELS.
I THINK THAT YOU'RE ORDINANCE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ADOPTED HAS PRETTY MUCH TAKEN CARE OF THAT.
>> I COMMENT ON THE TRASH FEE.
>> IT COMES UP OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
>> THE POINT IS, A GOT PAID ONETIME.
NOW IF YOU'RE IN A COUNTY, YOU PAY IT EVERY MONTH.
ACTUALLY BARGAINS COMPARED TO OTHER COUNTIES.
THE ONLY PROBLEM IS THAT YOU'RE PAYING ONE LUMP SUM.
THE MOST COUNTIES HAS $17, $18 A MONTH. YOU ADD THAT UP.
ALSO, IT COSTS THE COUNTY ABOUT ANOTHER 70 OR $80 MORE A MONTH TO DISPOSE OF THE TRASH THEN WE'RE COLLECTING.
ACTUALLY, YOU'RE BEING SUBSIDIZED A LITTLE BIT THAN THE OEM CONVENIENCE JUST COMING UP WITH A $200 AT ONE TIME?
>> YES. THAT WAS A COMMENT THAT CAME UP A FEW TIMES AND IT'S NOTHING THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
BUT WE ASKED PEOPLE WHAT WAS IMPORTANT TO THEM AND THAT'S WHAT WE GOT.
>> CAN I ASK A STUPID QUESTION?
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>> THERE AREN'T ANY STUPID QUESTIONS.
>> I TRIED TO STAY AWAY FROM POLITICAL QUESTIONS.
DO YOU BRING IT UP THE TRASH FEES? WE DON'T HAVE OUR SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY STICKERS ANYMORE.
BEFORE WE HAD OUR SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY STICKERS AND IT WAS MONITORED TO SOME EXTENT, SOME OF THEM NOT SO MUCH, BUT TO SOME LEVEL.
WE HAD TO HAVE THE STICKER TO GET IN THE DUMP TO DUMP OUR STUFF.
MAYBE IT'S THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY.
HOW IS IT THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING NOW THAT SOMEBODY FROM ALAWITES SUFFOLK, THEY JUST ROLLS RIGHT ON IN AND DUMPS.
>> WELL, SUPPOSEDLY THERE, MAN.
>> NEVER LEAVES THE BUILDING. [OVERLAPPING]
>> LET'S SAY THEY'RE SITTING BY THE DUMP AND THEY'RE ASKING THEM, ARE YOU AT SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY RESIDENT THEORETICALLY TO EVERY SINGLE ONE?
>> I THINK IF I DON'T KNOW THEM, THEY'RE INSTRUCTED TO DO THAT.
I'VE HAD SOME PROBLEMS WITH PEOPLE THAT THEY WANT TO BACKUP BECAUSE THEY TOLD PEOPLE HERE FROM CAROLINA, YOU CAN COME IN HERE.
>> WHAT CAN TELL ABOUT LICENSE PLATE, BUT MOST TIME REALLY PULLING WITH VIRGINIA, PLAY THIS ON THE FRONT OF THE VEHICLE IN A WAVE YOUR RIGHT ARM UP TO THE DOPE? [LAUGHTER]
>> I'M JUST SAYING THAT AND I'VE BEEN AT SADLY QUITE A BIT AND I'VE SEEN PEOPLE PUT IN ROOFING SHINGLES IN THERE RECENTLY.
GOT TO BE A WAY WE CAN DO IT BETTER THAN WHAT WE ARE DOING IT.
>> WELL, IF WE'RE SAYING THAT VIOLATION, THEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THEY SEND IT OUT TO THE BOARD.
>> IT COULD BE LIKE CAROLINA TO GET ON THE BEACH, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LITTLE STICKER AND I THINK IT COST $56.
>> AM I CRAZY BY ASKING THAT QUESTION? I KNOW THOSE ROOFS.
I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN TWICE NOW WITHIN THE LAST MONTH, THE DISPOSAL OF THOSE ROOF SHINGLES AND IT WAS JUST A TRUCK.
IT WASN'T LIKE A DUMP TRUCK. BUT IT WAS PROBABLY JUST SOME.
BUT I KNEW THEY WERE FROM I'LL WIPE.
>> THE PEOPLE THAT WORK THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO THINGS THAT AREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE DUMPED THERE REGARDLESS OF WHERE YOU LIVE.
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DUMP CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL.
BUT AT ONE OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR MEETINGS, WHY I'M FED GENTLEMEN, LET'S TALK ABOUT STICKER SAYS IN HIS FAMILY THEY HAVE SIX OR EIGHT OR 10 VEHICLES.
WELL, WOULD YOU GET SIX OR EIGHT OR 10 STICKERS OR DO YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO TAKE THE SAME VEHICLE TO THE DUMP? I DON'T BUY THAT CITIZENS PROBLEM.
WE'RE GETTING BILLED AS TAXPAYERS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GETTING A STICKER.
YOU CAN BUY EXTRA STICKER FOR $5 AND THEN YOU CAN BUY TO YOUR HEART'S CONTENT.
THEN YOU HAVE TO BRING YOUR REGISTRATION THAT SHOWS YOUR SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY ADDRESS.
BUT I JUST THINK IT'S BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY ABUSED AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE, BUT IT'S GOT TO BE THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS BY NOT HAVING THAT SOME TYPE OF STICKER.
I GET IT. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE 100%, BUT LET'S SAY IT DISPELS 20%.
>> IN FIVE COMMISSIONERS FIELDS AND MAYBE LOOK AT IT AND THEN WE ASK THE BOARD DO IT.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE TRASH QUANTITIES ARE MONITORED EVERY MONTH AND THEY SEEM TO BE FAIRLY STABLE.
>> THEY DROPPED SIGNIFICANTLY WHEN THAT FACILITIES WERE MAN START TO BE MAN TWO YEARS AGO.
>> WE HAVE THREE TIMES THE TRASH THAT AT ANY COUNTY AROUND YOUR ANKLES, EVERYBODY WOULD COME TO THEIR ADOPTED.
>> I'M SURE. BUT WITHOUT THE STICKERS, PEOPLE ARE STILL GOING.
I JUST THINK IT'S COMMON SENSE, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
I'LL DROP IT. WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK?
>> I WOULD AGREE. I WOULD THINK DEFINITELY.
>> THAT CAN'T BE A BURDENSOME THE ISSUE STICKERS WHEN YOU PAY YOUR $200.
THAT'S A PLANNING COMMISSION ISSUE.
>> WHERE SHAW LAST TELL US MEETING FOR THIS MONTH SOMEBODY YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHOW UP AND TALK ABOUT THAT?
>> I WAS JUST BAD BOTH TIMES BUT I WOULD GO TO THE CAR.
THERE'S SAY HEY DUDE. THE GUYS LIKE 85 YEARS OLD. WHAT AM I GOING TO HAVE?
>> WE'LL DISCUSS IT. I THINK, I WASN'T AWARE THAT PEOPLE WERE DOING THAT THE PEOPLE WANT MAN THEM.
I'VE HAD CALLS FROM THEM AND THEY TURNED THE LICENSE NUMBER IN AND I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS, BUT I'LL BE GLAD WE'LL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE BOARD THAT WILL SAY, LOOK, WE WANT SOME PROBLEMS HERE AND WE NEED TO GET A LITTLE
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TOUGHER WITH WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.>>I WOULD AGREE THAT THERE COULD BE MORE ACTIVELY MANAGED BY THE MAN OR PERSON IN THE BOOTH.
I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT AND I THINK THAT WOULD CUT DOWN ON SOME.
BUT SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRASH, THIS TRASH FEE AND IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, CAME UPON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AT A TIME WHERE EVERYBODY WAS PROMISED AND NO TAX INCREASES.
MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE IF PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE $200 TAX FEE AND YOU'RE GETTING READY TO BOOK THE ASSESSED VALUES OF REAL ESTATE, WHY NOT GET RID OF THAT $200 AND INCLUDED IN THE REAL ESTATE TAX FEE?
>> THAT'S $1.3 MILLION A YEAR.
>> IT WAS DONE THAT WAY FOR YEARS.
BUT WHEN THE FEES WENT UP, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WE'RE ALL TRYING TO GET ELECTED, BUT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GO UP ON TAX RATES.
I THINK THIS WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY WHEN WE SEND OUT THE INCREASED ASSESSMENTS TO GET RID OF THE TRASH FEE INCLUDED IN REGULAR BUDGET, I COULD USE.
>> IT HAVE TO GO INTO REAL ESTATE BECAUSE OUR PERSONAL PROPERTIES.
>> NUMBER FIVE OR SIX OF THE STATE.
>> I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK THAT'S JUST ANOTHER CONSIDER. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE WORRIED ABOUT IT AND LOOKED AT IT.
BUT NOBODY HAS COME UP WITH SOMETHING, A SOLID WAY TO DO IT.
WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THIS COMING YEAR.
[OVERLAPPING] HAPPY WITH IT EITHER.
>> A DOG OR I CAN DISAGREE WAITING, WE STILL BE BRANCH RIGHT [LAUGHTER].
WHILE AGO YOU SAID IT'S GETTING SUBSIDIZED $78.
IS THAT CORRECT? THERE WAS $200 FEE AND IT SHOULD BE 2728?
EVERYBODY BEING SUBSIDIZED REFERRED TO ABOUT 40%-50%.
>> WHEN IT'S GETTING SUBSIDIZED OUT OF THE REAL ESTATE?
[OVERLAPPING] I KNOW IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE.
IF THE TRASH IS COSTING US $300 PER HOUSEHOLD, HOWEVER THEY DO IT, THEN WE NEED TO CHARGE $300.
THEN WHEN YOU SEE SOMEBODY DUMPING STUFF IN THERE, YOU ARE GOING TO STEP UP, AND APPROACH THE GUY IN THE HUT AND SAY, LOOK, I KNOW THAT MAN FROM ISLE OF WIGHT AND I'M PAYING FOR HIS TRASH.
IF IT GOES TO $1,000, YOU'LL HAVE EVERYBODY WALKING UP TO THE HUT AND SAYING, THAT GUY'S COST ME MORE MONEY.
I FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT A NEW SCHOOL.
BUT IF WE HAD AN EDUCATIONAL FEE, AND I THINK WE SHOULD EDUCATE PEOPLE TO THE HEEL, BECAUSE IT COSTS MORE TO HIRE THEM, THAN IT DOES TO EDUCATE THEM, AND EDUCATED PEOPLE A LOT OF TIME STAY OUT OF TROUBLE.
IF WE HAD AN EDUCATIONAL FEE, THEN WHEN YOU ASK, DOES ANYBODY WANT TO LEAVE SCHOOL BUT YOUR FEE IS GOING UP TWO MORE THOUSAND DOLLARS, YOU'LL HAVE LESS PEOPLE STAND OUT.
[LAUGHTER] WE NEED TO IMPROVE OUR SCHOOLS.
INSTEAD OF SUBSIDIZING STUFF ON THE BACK OF EVERYBODY YOU'VE GOT SOME PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTY THAT ARE MAKING SIX FIGURES, AND JUST A [INAUDIBLE], THEY'RE NOT EVEN COVERING THEIR TRASH FEE.
I LOOK AT IT LET EVERYTHING STAND ON A LINE ITEM THING, AND THEN WHEN PEOPLE ABUSE IT, THEY GOING TO STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND SAY, I'M PAYING FOR THAT GUY'S TRASH.
WHEN THEY RIDE BY AND SEE YOUR SCHOOL GETTING VANDALIZED, AND THEY'RE HAVING TO PAY $2,000 FEE.
TRUST ME, THEY'RE GOING TO PICK UP THE CELL PHONE RIGHT OFF THE BAT AND CALL THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
PEOPLE WILL BEGIN TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT EVERYTHING COSTS.
>> THERE ARE TWO THINGS. TRASH FEE IS ONLY ABOUT 75% OF THE COLLECTED.
IT'S MISERABLE COLLECTION AND THEN AFTER THAT, ONCE YOU'VE GONE TWO YEARS YOU'RE FORGIVEN.
BUT MANY PEOPLE JUST DON'T PAY THAT TWO YEARS THEY'RE FORGIVEN.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE TROUBLE GOING IN AND GETTING A BUILDING PERMIT OR WHATEVER, SO THEY DON'T PAY IT.
THE SECOND THING IS I'VE GOTTEN CALLS FROM THE PEOPLE AND THIS PAGE YOU GO TO THE BOARD.
I MIGHT BE STEPPING ON SOME TOES.
BUT CALLS FROM THESE PEOPLE THAT MAN THE TRASH DUMPS THAT WHEN THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT GETTING BACK UP.
IF THAT'S THE CASE, AND I'VE GOTTEN SEVERAL OF THEM CALL ME AND SAID THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT THINGS BUT NOTHING WAS DONE.
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WE'LL TAKE THAT UP WITH THE BOARD, WE'LL DISCUSS THAT.>> I THINK WHEN IT CAME UP, WHEN THE CAMP PARKWAY, WHEN THE GUY GEORGE WAS LOOKING AT PUTTING ALL THE HOUSES, AND IT CAME UP ABOUT THE WASTE FEES AND ALL OF THAT.
IN SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS, THEY COULD NOT BELIEVE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT USED THE SEWAGE WAS NOT PAYING THE FULL FEE.
THEY COULD NOT BELIEVE HOW MUCH IT WAS GETTING SUBSIDIZED.
I JUST LOOK AT IT AS A LINE ITEM THING.
I BUY FUEL AND FUEL IS A LINE BUDGET ON MY BUSINESS.
WHEN FUEL GOES OUT, I DON'T KEEP IT AT THAT AND SUBSIDIZE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
WHEN IT TRIPLES THE COST YOU CAN LOOK AT WHEN I'M BUYING FUEL FOR $1, AND THEN I'M BUYING IT FOR $3.50.
IT COMES OUT OF MY POCKET. I CAN'T SUBSIDIZE.
WHEN PEOPLE START REALIZING HOW MUCH ALL THIS COST, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET CREATIVE, THEY'RE GOING TO DECIDE I'M NOT GOING TO THROW THE WOODED PRODUCTS OUT OF MY YARD INTO THE DUMPSTER.
I'M GOING PUT IT IN THE EDGE OF THE YARD, OR MAKE COMPOST PILE AND I'M GOING TO GET THAT TONNAGE DOWN, SO IT'S NOT COSTING US.
PEOPLE START PAYING ATTENTION TO WHY OUR COST ARE GOING UP.
BUT WHEN IT GETS SUBSIDIZED, I'LL THROW IT IN THERE.
I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.
WELL, I AM IN INDIRECT OPPOSITE FROM WHAT YOU ARE, AND I LOOKED AT IT AS A BUSINESS, AND YOU ALL ARE MAKING BUSINESS DECISIONS FOR THE COUNTY.
I LIKE FOR IT TO BE BLACK AND WHITE RIGHT OUT THERE WHERE EVERYBODY CAN SEE IT.
>> I'VE GOT SOME POINTS THERE.
I'LL CALL MR. THROWER TOMORROW ASK HIM TO PUT THIS ON THE BOARD DISCUSSION FOR NEXT STEP PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE WANT IT LOOKED INTO AND WE WILL DO IT.
>> LOOK I WANT THE BEST EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM IN THE COUNTY, BUT I WANT EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT COSTS.
YOU CAN APPLY THAT RULE TO EVERYTHING WE DO FOR COUNTY BUSINESS, BUT THANK YOU FOR.
>> MR. MAYOR IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME AND SUBSIDIZE ANY OF MY BUSINESS, I'M ACCEPTING DONATIONS.
>> FARMERS DON'T GET SUBSIDIZED.
>> I KNEW THAT WAS COMING. I KNEW THAT.
>> SORRY ABOUT THAT. [LAUGHTER]
>> I CAN'T DISCUSS THAT TOO. WE'RE NOT GOING TO DISCUSS.
>> MR. TURNER, I APOLOGIZE I'M TAKING UP YOUR MINUTES FOR LANDSCAPING. [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT'S GOING TO BE A DISCUSSION, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE JUST ME.
>> MR. TURNER, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE MIRRORING FRANKLIN LANDSCAPING ORDINANCE?
>> SINCE THIS COULD BE A DISCUSSION THAT TAKES A WHILE.
>> I HOPE IT ISN'T. I THOUGHT MR. TURNER WAS GOING TO GET RIGHT TO BRASS TACKS AND SAY YES.
>> I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT I'M IN FAVOR OF FARMERS GETTING SUBSIDIZED, BECAUSE WE GET HUNGRY AND WE'LL HAVE FOOD.
>> WHAT ABOUT LAWYERS? THEY GET WHAT?
>> I'M TALKING ABOUT HONEST PEOPLE.
>> CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE ELECTRONIC PARTICIPATION POLICY BEFORE WE GET INTO LANDSCAPING, I SENT THAT OUT TO YOU IN THE MAIL IN ENVELOPES, AND THE ONE THAT I PROVIDE TO YOU IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE ONE THAT IS.
>> THAT'S THE EXACT SAME AS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
YOU JUST INSERTED THE CHANGES AS PLANNING COMMISSION.
>> IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT AS PART OF YOUR BY-LAWS, WE JUST NEED A MOTION TO DO THAT.
>> I MOVE WE ADD THIS TO OUR BY-LAWS.
>> WOULD THAT ALLOW COUNTY ATTORNEY TO PARTICIPATE REMOTELY?
>> I WOULD SAY HE'S NOT BEEN HERE.
>> I BELIEVE HE TOLD ME THAT IN HIS DISCUSSION WITH MR. THROWER, HE WAS NOT GOING TO ATTEND PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS, BUT HE DOESN'T NEED THIS TO PARTICIPATE ELECTRONICALLY BECAUSE HE'S NOT A VOTING MEMBER OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
>> IF WE WOULD NEED HIM FOR SOMETHING, WE COULD CALL HIM.
LIKE SAY WE HAVE A MEETING, WE WOULD LIKE HIM TO PARTICIPATE BECAUSE WE FORESEE THERE'S SOME FORESEEABILITY THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME SPARKS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> YES. HE GETS THE AGENDA PACKAGE JUST LIKE YOU DO.
HE GETS IT TWO WEEKS BEFORE THE MEETING.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO NEED HIS ATTENTION THAT EVENING.
HE CAN DO IT, BUT HE DOESN'T NEED THIS.
THIS IS JUST FOR YOU ALL HOOP SO YOU CAN VOTE.
IT'S JUST LIKE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, IF YOU'RE ILL, OR INCAPACITATED, YOU CAN JUST SAY YOU'D LIKE TO PARTICIPATE.
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IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER REASON, I THINK IT'S LIMITED TO WHAT, TWICE A YEAR.LIMITED TO TWO PER CALENDAR YEAR, OR 25% OF THE MEETINGS.
IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF AN ILLNESS OR INCAPACITATION.
BUT THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WORKS UNDER IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO.
>> HERE, WE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND.
[LAUGHTER] A MOTION IN A PROPER SECOND.
CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
>> THOSE OPPOSED, THERE BEING NONE UNANIMOUSLY PASSED.
>> THAT YOU JUST LET ME KNOW AHEAD OF TIME AND WE'LL MAKE ARRANGEMENTS FOR THAT TO HAPPEN.
>> MR. TURNER, BACK TO LANDSCAPING.
>> I AGREE WITH THE ONE THAT YOU SENT THIS MONTH'S PACKET.
I DID SAVE THE ONES FROM LAST MONTH. I BROUGHT IT.
THE BIGGEST THING THAT I SEE WITH THIS IS, LIKE THE BELMONT PROPERTY THAT YOU HAD AS AN EXAMPLE, THAT IF THEY HAD TO BUFFER THOSE AREAS, THAT WAS AN INSANELY AMOUNT OF SHRUBS THAT I DON T THINK WOULD GET MAINTAINED.
SO I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE IN THE SAME BOAT WHEN I ASKED A QUESTION LAST MONTH ABOUT WHO'S GOING TO ENFORCE.
IS IT FOR THE LIFE OF THE BUSINESS BEING, THERE WERE JUST A FIVE-YEAR TIME-FRAME THAT THEY GET ESTABLISHED BECAUSE I'M JUST USING THEM AS AN EXAMPLE BECAUSE THAT WAS LIKE, I THINK ACCOUNT LIKE 700 TROPES THAT THEY HAD TO PLANT AND AMASSED A HUGE COST FOR A BUSINESS.
AND I THINK IN BRUNSWICK COUNTY'S PLAN, THE INDUSTRIAL USE ARE REQUIRED TO BE SCREENED, BUT THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS ARE PROVIDED, BUT THERE'S NO BOOK BUFFER WIDTHS.
YOU GET THE SHIELDING OF EVERYTHING FROM THE DIFFERENT ZOOMS. BUT YOU'RE NOT HAVING A 30, 40, 50.
WHY A BUFFER? THERE'S GOING TO BE AN ONGOING COST TO THE BUSINESS TO MAINTAIN.
THAT WAS ONE GOOD THING I LIKED ABOUT THE BRUNSWICK.
I LIKE THE PACKET THAT YOU PUT TOGETHER THIS MONTH.
I GUESS IT'S MARION FRANKLIN'S PLAN.
>> SO I THINK IN MY OPINION THAT'S ONE THING THAT WOULD, I GUESS IF IT WAS INDUSTRIAL VERSE, GOING BACK TO THE B 1, 2, AND 3, WE COULD CHANGE THAT WITH THE WIDTHS OR JUST ELIMINATE THE WIDTHS IN GENERAL. WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND THEN?
>> WELL, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT BUFFERING BETWEEN INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL IS AS IMPORTANT AS BUFFERING BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND ANYTHING ELSE.
>> I THINK IF YOU WERE GOING TO ELIMINATE WIDTHS OR CUT DOWN ON LANDSCAPING, COMMERCIAL TO INDUSTRIAL WOULD NOT BE AS IMPACTFUL.
BUT I THINK THAT RESIDENTIAL USES.
>> SO WE WOULD JUST CHANGE THAT INTO CLASSES THAT WAS LISTED IN THE REPORTING.
>> RIGHT. AND MAYBE YOU ELIMINATE THE BUFFERS BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL ALTOGETHER AND JUST HAVE STREETSCAPE BUFFERING SOMETHING ALONG THE ROADWAYS?
>> WHEN YOU DRIVE PAST SEMESTER RANDLE'S PROPERTY, WHERE HIS LANDSCAPING IS INSTITUTED, IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE.
IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE IN THAT STRETCH THAT HE MANAGES.
AND MAYBE STREETSCAPE BUFFERING IS WHERE YOU'D WANT TO START.
>> GOT YOU. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD COMMENT, TOO.
I SAID, I LIKED THAT PART OF THE BRUNSWICK PLAN THAT I WAS READING, AND THEN THE FRANKLIN COUNTY PLAN ACTUALLY GAVE A LIST OF APPROVED PLANNING MATERIAL BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES, LIKE I KNOW WHEN WE WERE DOING LANDSCAPING AND, FOR EXAMPLE, THE BRICK BUILDINGS THAT GOT PUT IN THE CORNER OF LIKE BRONCO FEDERAL CREDIT UNION STEWARD DRIVE AND GO TO COLLEGE DRIVE.
WHEN THEY GOT THAT ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES PUT IN, PLANTS THAT WERE RECOMMENDED BY THE ENGINEER OR THE SITE PLAN ENGINEER.
RECOMMENDED WAX MYRTLE IS BECAUSE OUR NATIVE, BUT HE ALSO GETS TEN FEET TALL.
SO FOR SECURITY AND BLOCKING THE VIEW OF THE BUSINESSES THERE, I THINK HAVING A LIST OF PLANTS THEY CAN PICK FROM.
WE CAN CONTROL THAT ASPECT OF IT INSTEAD OF SOMEONE SITTING IN A COMPUTER AND JUST PLUGGING IN NATIVE PLANTS AND NOT REALLY KNOWING WHAT IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE FIVE TO TEN YEARS FROM NOW.
>> A LOT OF LOCALITIES HAVE BEEN OVER-GOVERNMENTALIZED, AND THEY MAKE IT ECONOMICALLY UNFEASIBLE.
AND THAT'S WHAT DR. EDWARDS TALKS ABOUT,
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IS THE CONDITIONAL ZONING BECAUSE WE CAN ADD BERMS AND BECAUSE THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A COOKIE CUTTER WAY TO DO IT.SO THAT'S WHY I LIKE WHAT WE HAVE BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE THE DISCRETION WITH THE CONDITIONAL ZONING, AND IT DOESN'T OVERDO IT.
IS THEY JUST REQUIRE SO MUCH THAT IT RUNS A LOT OF PEOPLE AWAY TO DO ANY TYPE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE STARTUPS JUST CAN'T AFFORD $25,000 IN A LANDSCAPE.
I MEAN, NOT WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE VERY ECONOMICAL [LAUGHTER].
>> WHAT I THINK LIMITING THE BUFFER WIDTHS EXCEPT FOR RESIDENTIAL AS A WAY TO MAKE IT.
>> I WOULD AGREE, BECAUSE I DO AGREE WITH IF IT'S A COMMERCIAL AREA OR AN INDUSTRIAL AREA BUT A RESIDENTIAL, THEN YES, YOU WOULD WANT A BUFFER TO IMPEDE THE LIGHTING, THE NOISE, THE SIGHT OF IT, AND ALL THOSE THINGS.
BUT I THINK FROM THE COMMERCIAL TO INDUSTRIAL, THOSE, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A BUFFER WIDTH, JUST HAVE SOME TYPE OF FENCING OR PLANNING MATERIAL.
BECAUSE I THINK IT LOOKS GOOD TOO.
I MEAN, IF YOU DON'T REQUIRE IT, OR IT'S SUBJECTIVE TO EVERYONE AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE LIKE A MIXED MATCH.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE UNIFORM ACROSS THE COUNTY.
>> SO WHAT ARE YOU SUGGESTING?
>> I MEAN, I ACTUALLY LIKED THIS PLAN THAT SHE PUT TOGETHER MINUS THE BUFFER WIDTHS FOR COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL.
>> AND DO YOU STILL AGREE THAT PARKING LOTS NEED LANDSCAPING?
>> YEAH. I AGREE. A HUNDRED PERCENT.
>> WHEN YOU GO OTHER PLACES AND YOU WALK IN A BIG PARKING LOT AND AUGUST YOU, IT MAKES YOU [OVERLAPPING].
>> IT'S AESTHETICALLY PLEASING AND IMPROVES THE BUSINESS BECAUSE.
>> I KEEP GOING BACK TO THIS BELMONT AND I'M LOOKING AT ALL THESE STROBES AND EVERYTHING AND IT'S JUST THAT IS, A MONTHLY INCURRED COSTS ON A BUSINESS TO MAINTAIN THAT, AND I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S FEASIBLE FOR BUSINESS LONG TERM.
BECAUSE I MEAN, I KNOW A LOT OF TIMES, LIKE WHEN COVID HIT, OR EVEN THE 2008 RECESSION, THE FIRST THING THAT GETS CUT IN A BUSINESS IS GOING TO BE LANDSCAPING OR WHAT CAN I DO JUST TO GET BY.
KEEP THE GRASS COULD KEEP LOOKING DECENT, BUT THE SHRUBS ARE.
SO I JUST THINK IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S MAINTAINABLE FOR THE BUSINESS. THAT MAKES SENSE.
>> BACK TO WHAT MR. RANDALL SAID.
IF WE CAN MAKE CHANGES THAT ARE APPROPRIATE FOR INDIVIDUAL BUSINESSES, THEN IT REALLY IS NO NEED TO CHANGE [OVERLAPPING].
>> BUT I FEEL LIKE WE GOT TO GIVE THEM IF THEY COME TO MS. LEWIS AND THEY WANTED TO PUT SOMETHING SOMEWHERE, THEY GOT TO HAVE SOME DIRECTION.
>> YOU HAVE TO HAVE A STARTING POINT.
>> YOU HAVE TO HAVE A STARTING POINT.
> SO EVEN IF YOU TELL THEM THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN BRING BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE ADJUSTMENT CAN BE MADE OR YOU CAN ASK FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
>> WELL, THERE WOULD BE LANGUAGE THAT SAYS THAT IT IS BASED ON A SITE BY SITE.
>> THERE'S SOME DISCRETION IN THERE LIKE MINE, WE THERE WAS SOME DISEASE WITH CREPE MYRTLE AND THEY COULDN'T FIND THEM ANYWHERE.
AND THE LANDSCAPER WAS INVOLVED IN THAT DISCUSSION WITH SOMEONE.
>> WITH YOU, OKAY. I MEAN, IT WAS VERY REASONABLE.
I MEAN, MRS LEWIS HAS BEEN UNREASONABLE AND OTHER THINGS, BUT ON THIS ONE, I'M JUST POINTING THIS OUT BECAUSE YOU'RE ALWAYS REASONABLE.
>> MY REASONING FOR THIS IS THAT WHEN YOU BEGIN TO TAKE THINGS AWAY FROM A PLAN, THEN YOU'RE LOSING SOME OF YOUR CONTROL AS TO MAKING ADJUSTMENTS.
>> I THINK THIS PLAN SHE PUT TOGETHER IT GIVES US MORE.
>> BUT DIDN'T YOU JUST SAY TO TAKE AWAY?
>> BETWEEN COMMERCIAL, JUST LIMITING, DO AWAY WITH BUFFER, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE PLANNING.
>> SO YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE BUFFER WIDTH AND NOT THE PLAN [OVERLAPPING].
THEN THAT'S GOOD. I AGREE WITH THAT THEN.
>> YEAH. AND THEN WITH A CONDITIONAL REZONING, WE COULD ADD ON A CONDITIONAL IF WE FEEL IT'S INSUFFICIENT AND LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN.
BECAUSE IF THEY NEED A PERM, IF THEY NEED ADDITIONAL, WE CAN ALWAYS SAY, HEY, YOU DON'T MIND ADDING THIS.
[LAUGHTER] AND THEN YOU VOTE AGAINST IT IF [OVERLAPPING]
>> BUT WE DO LOSE ANY STRINGS BY CHANGING IT.
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I MEAN, SOMETIMES PEOPLE SAY, WELL, THAT'S NOT IN YOUR PLAN.>> JUST MINIMALLY, I THINK IT'S WHAT MR. TURNER IS SAYING.
>> AND NOW THERE'S NO ORDINANCE AT ALL BUT EACH PIECE OF PROPERTY IS A DIFFERENT SHAPE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE SHAPE OF MR. COPELAND'S PROPERTY TODAY WITH THE ODD CURVE IN THE ROAD THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN A STRAIGHT CURVE IN THAT ROAD.
THERE ARE SOME PIECES PROPERTY, THEY HAVE A RIVER ALONG THIS SIDE OR THAT ARE NEXT TO, WE DON'T HAVE ANY WASTEWATER, VERY FEW WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITIES HERE, BUT EVERY PIECE PROPERTY IS DIFFERENT.
SO YOU WANT TO HAVE SOME WIGGLE ROOM.
>> WITH BELMONT, WAS THAT REQUIRED OR WAS THAT THEIR DECISION FOR BEAUTIFICATION? BECAUSE THEY'RE ON A MAIN THOROUGHFARE TO MAKE THEIR PROPERTY ATTRACTIVE.
>> NONE OF THESE BUFFERS ARE IN PLACE NOW.
>> NO, THERE AREN'T ANY BUFFERS AT BELMONT.
THE ONLY LANDSCAPING THEY HAVE OUT THERE [OVERLAPPING]
>> THEY HAVE CREPE MYRTLES INTERMINGLED AROUND THE RETAIL BUILDING IN THE WAREHOUSE.
>> THOSE ARE SERVING STORM WATER PURPOSES?
>> YEAH. NO. I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE DATA.
>> IT'S JUST IF THERE WAS AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE, THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE BUT LANDSCAPING AT BELMONT IS STORM WATER RELATED BECAUSE TREES, ANY TREES, SHRUBS, ANYTHING, DRINKS MORE STORM WATER THAN GRASS.
THIS IS A LITTLE HEAVY. [LAUGHTER]
>> I BELIEVE MR. CHESSON HAS SOMETHING.
>> I GUESS FOR OUR FIRST END AND MAYBE EXPOSING MY IGNORANCE AND I APOLOGIZE BUT CALIPER, IS THAT THE SAME THING AS DIAMETER?
>> IT SAID THE TRUNK OF THE TREE WHERE IT COMES OUT OF THE ROOT BALL IS THE CIRCUMFERENCE OF THE TRUNK BASE.
>> CONFERENCE OF THE BASE IS EQUIVALENT CALIPER. OTHER QUESTION.
IN THE IN THE BUFFER AREA DESCRIPTION, THERE'S LANGUAGE THAT SAYS LIMITED GRADING IN THE BUFFER AREAS MAY BE PERMITTED BUT YET THERE'S I GUESS, I THINK ABOUT IN BUFFER AREAS THERE IT WOULD BE VERY APPROPRIATE FOR BERMS TO BE ESTABLISHED.
I THINK BERMS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IN SOME PROPERTIES, BUT YET, IF GRADING IS LIMITED, I DON'T KNOW ARE WE RESTRICTING OURSELF?
>> THERE IS ANOTHER SECTION THAT TALKS ABOUT BERMS, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS ORDINANCE DOESN'T MORE ENCOURAGES BERMS VERSUS DISCOURAGES BERMS.
>> GRADING DOESN'T SPEAK TO BERMS AT ALL.
>> THINK ABOUT THIS WAY. I'M THINKING ABOUT BERMS. IN ALMOST ALL OF THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES, WHEN WE GET AN INDUSTRIAL SITE WITH BERMS, IT'S GOING TO BE SOME TYPE OF ZONING REQUEST.
>> OR BIGGER PIECES OF PROPERTY.
>> CORRECT. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS IT, AND THAT'S WHAT DR. EDWARDS IS TALKING ABOUT IN THE CONDITIONAL.
BECAUSE THINK ABOUT IT. WHEN YOU SEE A BERM, IT'S ALWAYS SOME HUGE INDUSTRIAL PARK, MOST OF THE TIME, LIKE BRUNSWICK, LIKE VIRGINIA POWER WHEN THEY DID THAT.
THEN WHO'S GOING TO REALLY HAVE THE MONEY TO PUT IN A FIRM WITH A SMALL, FIRMS ARE EXPENSIVE,.
>> BIGGER SITES, SO IF THEY HAVE TO PUT IT UP, BAP PAWNING, THEY'RE GOING TO USE THAT DIRT TO BUILD THE BERM.
>> IF YOU THINK OF THE HOTEL THAT WOULD BE NICE TO GET IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, THAT WOULD BE A PRETTY GOOD SITE.
THEY MAY WANT TO HAVE MORE LANDSCAPING TO MAKE IT LOOK WHEN YOU DROVE UP TO FEEL LIKE YOU WERE IN AN OASIS, THEN YOU WOULD COME TO A PLACE WHERE YOU WERE FINALLY GOING TO GET TO SLEEP TONIGHT.
WELL, WE DID HAVE THE PALM TREE, MOTOWN.
>> THE NEXT STEP ON THIS ORDINANCE IS WHAT?
>> I BELIEVE MR. TURNER, RECOMMENDATION OF MS. OLSON'S RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE THOSE SMALL CHANGES AND WE'LL LOOK AT IT AGAIN.
IS THAT GOOD WITH EVERYBODY? THAT'S ALL OUR UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
MOVING ON TO NEW BUSINESS, SECTION 6.
[VI. NEW BUSINESS]
>> YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE SOLAR SIGN IS GONE FROM THE HALLWAY.
>> DR. EDWARDS, DOES THAT BREAK YOUR HEART?
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT, [OVERLAPPING] THE HIGH SCHOOL DIDN'T WANT IT.
>> WE'VE GOT TO PAY FOR THE DISPOSAL OF THAT TRASH.
>> THEY ALLIED TO PUT IT IN THAT DUMPSTER.
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[LAUGHTER] THE SANGHA DECOMMISSION.>> FOR THAT, I ENCOURAGE YOU FOLKS TO COME TO THE CITIZEN'S COMMENT PERIOD AND VOICE YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
>> ANY MORE NEW BUSINESS OR GENERAL COMMENTS?
>> AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT THE STORM PROPERTY, I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY POORLY PRESENTED TO THE BOARD HERE BUT I NOTICED THAT DR. EDWARDS, YOU SAID THERE WERE 55 OPTIONS THEY HAD TO CHOOSE FROM.
>> IF YOU LOOK AT THE LIST OPTIONS.
>> LOOKING AT THEM NOW, AND IF ANY OF THESE GIVES US HEARTBURN THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, CAN WE GO THROUGH THIS LIST AND REDUCE IT DOWN? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ELIMINATE? A LOT OF ISSUES GOING FORWARD.
>> THEY'RE COMING TO THE BOARD IN JANUARY, SAVVY.
THAT WAY THEY'RE DOING SOME HOMEWORK BEFORE.
SO I THINK IF THEY'RE SMART, THEY'LL REDUCE IT QUITE A BIT.
>> THEY'RE GOING TO NAIL IT DOWN WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, CORRECT?
>> RIGHT. IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
>> BUT IF THERE ARE THINGS ON THIS LIST THAT WE DON'T LIKE, WHY [NOISE] ?
>> YOU HAVE TO REZONE IT, OKAY FOR THE WORST THING IN YOUR WORST NIGHTMARE YOU SEE ON THAT LIST.
>> CAN WE GET RID OF THOSE WORST NIGHTMARES?
>> DO YOU MEAN IN THAT ZONING DESIGNATION, JUST DO AWAY WITH THOSE DISTRICTS?
>> THE ONES THAT GIVE US HEARTBURN. [OVERLAPPING].
>> I THINK YOU HAVE TO ASK THEM BECAUSE THEY [OVERLAPPING]
>> NO, HE'S TALKING ABOUT [OVERLAPPING]
>> CHANGING THE TEXTURE OF THE ORDINANCE.
>> JUST TAKE THEM OUT. THE ONES WE DON'T LIKE, CAN WE TAKE THEM OUT?
>> NOT TALKING ABOUT JUST THAT. [OVERLAPPING].
>> NOT THAT APPLICATION ITSELF, BUT THE ONE [OVERLAPPING]
>> SO AMENDING THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE IN MY MIND IS MR. COPELAND WAS TALKING ABOUT THE M1 AND THE B2 ABOUT HOW STORAGE COULD BE IN BOTH.
THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, NOT MS. LEWIS'S OPINION OR ANYBODY ELSE'S.
IS THAT WE HAVE A VERY LOW SOPHISTICATION OF OUR CODE.
IT'S NOT BEEN AMENDED FOR WHATEVER REASON BECAUSE YOU GOT TO SPEND MONEY TO DO THAT.
AND IT'S OUR ENTIRE CODE BOOK FOR SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, IN MY OPINION, NEEDS TO BE AMENDED.
IT HAS NOT BEEN DONE IN QUITE SOME TIME, NOT WITHIN THE LAST 25 YEARS.
SO THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM IS WE STILL HAVE TERMS THAT ARE OLD-FASHIONED, I GUESS.
LET'S SAY WE ELIMINATE SOMETHING AND WE DON'T PUT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, SO THAT OPTION IS AVAILABLE.
WELL, THEN YOU WOULD BRING UP CONSTITUTIONAL CONCERNS.
LET'S JUST USE, FOR EXAMPLE, NO SOLAR PANELS.
I DON'T PARTICULARLY LIKE SOLAR PANELS, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE A CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE THAT THEY COULD BRING IF WE SAY, THAT'S WHY WE DID THE 1%, THE MOST RESTRICTIVE.
THE STATE, IF YOU SAID NONE, THEN THEY COULD BRING A CONSTITUTIONAL CHALLENGE.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE CODEBOOK WOULD GO THROUGH TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE THOSE PROBLEMS WHERE WE JUST KIND OF PIECEMEAL ELIMINATE THIS HERE, THERE.
IT CAN OPEN UP PROBLEMS DOWN THE ROAD. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?
>> WE'RE GOING TO SAY IN ONE STATEMENT THAT THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS? IN THE NEXT STEP WE WILL PASS IT BECAUSE IT MEETS THESE 55 ONE OF THESE 55 REQUIREMENTS WERE TALKING OUT OF BOTH SIDES OF MY MOUTH.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT.
I THINK WE COULD NAIL DOWN SOME THINGS HERE.
WE'VE GOT THINGS THAT ARE NOT PERMITTED IN THIS COUNTY, CORRECT?
>> HOW COME HOW CAN WE GET BY WITH THAT THEN?
>> I THINK ARE ALL OF OUR ZONING ORDINANCE NEEDS TO BE AMENDED.
>> THEN THAT WOULD BE A DISCUSSION WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO MAKE THOSE POLITICAL AND ADMINISTRATIVE DECISIONS.
>> WE DON'T GO THROUGH ANOTHER APPLICATION AND SAY, WE DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE.
IT'S GOT TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF WE'VE ALREADY SAID, YEAH, I THINK THIS MIGHT WORK.
>> IT IS A ANTIQUATED ZONING ORDINANCE AND A ZONING ORDINANCE.
THREE, RIGHT. IT'S AN EXPENSIVE PROPOSITION AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE IN-HOUSE.
>> BUT DO READ THAT. WE DON'T HAVE ANY SAY SO IN THAT.
I'VE SEEN IT IN OTHER LOCALITIES.
YEAH. THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS ALWAYS FORMED OF IT.
>> THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS PART OF IT.
BUT PROVE THAT THE LEGWORK YOUR WORK WOULD NEED TO BE HIRED OUT.
IT'S AN EXPENSIVE PROPOSITION.
BUT WHEN YOU DO READ THE ZONING ORDINANCE,
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IT'S FULL OF THINGS THAT YOU CAN HAVE A DUDE RANCH.I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT A DUDE RANCH IS.
I THINK IT'S A PLACE WHERE YOU RIDE HORSES AND SPEND THE NIGHT, BUT THERE'S NO DEFINITION.
>> IF YOU'RE ADDRESSING B1 AND B2, YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS THEM.
YOU HAVE TO DRESS IT. THEN YOU BRING CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES.
>> FORM BASE ZONING IS HOW SOME COMMUNITIES ARE GOING AND YOU DON'T REALLY CARE WHAT GOES ON INSIDE THE BUILDING.
YOU ONLY CARE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE OUTSIDE AND HOW IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE OTHER THINGS AROUND IT.
WHAT GOES ON INSIDE? YOU DON'T REALLY CARE.
THERE'S LOTS OF WAYS TO DO IT, BUT THIS IS AN EXPENSIVE PROPOSITION TO HIRE IT OUT AND HAVE IT DONE.
>> BUT IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE DONE.
>> THAT'S SOMETHING I WAS COMMENT HIS THING.
IF WE'RE DOING THE COMP PLAN AND WE'RE ENCOURAGING GROWTH DOWN OUR MAJOR ROUTES.
THIS WAS A YES TO 58 IS NOT A MAJOR ROUTE, BUT YES, IT IS A MAJOR ROUTE IN THAT AREA.
IT BORDERS 58 AND WE HAVE COMMERCIAL ALL THE WAY AROUND IT WEARING SALLY AND COUNTY, ARE WE GOING TO PUT IT IN INDUSTRIAL PART OR THE CHANCES OF ANYWHERE WITHOUT HAVING SOMEBODY BEING UPSET.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SOME HARD DECISIONS AT THE COUNTY.
I LISTENED TO THAT DARYL WAS TALKING ABOUT ALL THE TIME.
WE DON'T NEED IT RESIDENTIALLY. WE NEED INDUSTRY WHERE WE HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE INDUSTRIAL LAND.
>> JUST BOUGHT ANOTHER 200-PLUS ACRES AND ADJACENT TO THE WORD VIVA AS NOW.
>> BUT THEN YOU GOT TO PROMOTE IT. THIS IS A GENTLEMAN.
IT'S GOING TO REZONE HIS LAND AND I KNOW IT WAS FARMLAND.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THEIR BLEED. THEY GET JUMPED ON AND THEY GET, YOU CAN'T DISCUSS THESE THINGS WHILE YOU'RE MAKING PLANS FOR IT, BUT I GUARANTEE YOU IF EVERYBODY COMES HERE WITH ANYTHING REASONABLE.
THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO JUMP ON RIGHT AWAY.
>> BUT WE ARE GOING TO AFFECT PRIME FARMLAND IN THESE AREAS THAT WE DESIGNATED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, CORRECT?
>> [OVERLAPPING] THIS GENTLEMAN AND IF HE DOESN'T HAVE RENEWED AT LEAST WITH THE FARMER, THEN IT'S JUST BE VACANT LAND.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO FARM IT. HE WANTS TO TURN IT INTO INDUSTRY OR AN INDUSTRIAL TRACK.
>> NO, NOT TONIGHT. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ONE LAST MONTH THAT I LISTENED TO ALL THE PEOPLE WITH FEEDBACK AND EVERYTHING AND I'M SYMPATHETIC FOR THE PEOPLE LIVING ON THE LAND, BUT THERE WELL, TWO OF THE THREE PEOPLE ARE GOING LIKE THIS.
>> DO YOU WANT A REASON FOR EVERYTHING WITH 57 THINGS ON THAT LIST?
>> DESK? IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN OUR COMP PLAN, HE'S THE MATCH OUR ZONING, SO WE NEED TO BE DOING BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.
>> I'VE BEEN SITTING ON THIS BOARD FOR A LONG TIME.
THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I CAN REMEMBER SOME ZONING COMING HERE THAT WASN'T CONDITIONAL.
THEN EVERYBODY WHO'S AFFECTED KNOWS HOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE AFFECTED.
THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE A WALMART.
THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS. BUT WHEN YOU COME HERE WITH 57 DIFFERENT THINGS, SO PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE, THEY SHOULD KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. THEY SHOULD GET A SAY.
>> WELL, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING LET'S CHANGE IT.
FIFTY-SEVEN THINGS THEY CAN DO THEN IF IT GIVES US HEARTBURN, WE DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE IT IS. LET'S CHANGE.
>> I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE CAN'T TAKE THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID A GOOD JOB.
PLANNING COMMISSION WERE TO TEST THEM AND SEE WHICH WAY THE WIND IS BLOWING.
I SEE WHAT THE PUBLIC SENTIMENT THAT WE HEARD THEM, AND WE DECIDED THERE WAS TOO MANY OPTIONS HERE.
NUMBER ONE, NUMBER TWO, ALL THE PELVIC GOES AGAINST THAT.
NUMBER THREE, THERE WERE SOME FARMLAND INVOLVED, BUT I THINK THE MAIN THING WAS ALL THE ALL THE CHOICES WHERE THEY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.
I MEAN, IT'S IT'S HARD WHEN YOU HAVE ALL THE NEIGHBORHOOD SHOW UP SAYING WHAT'S GOING ON.
>> THEN WHERE ARE WE GOING TO PUT SOME IN THE COUNTY THAT NOBODY IS GOING TO SHOW UP AND SPEAK AGAINST IT.
>> THAT'S WHAT I MEAN AS A PLANNING COMMISSION, WE GOT TO GEAR AND DIRECT GROWTH IN PLANNED GROWTH IN CERTAIN AREAS.
WE'VE GOT TWO MAJOR ROUTES RIGHT THERE WITH INDUSTRY ON BOTH, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
>> IF THE GUY COME IN HERE AND SAY I WANT TO DO A FIRST ONE, OTHER LISTS HAVE PROBABLY GONE THROUGH, WASN'T IT? BUT IT CAME IN OR 57 THINGS ON THAT LIST.
HE DIDN'T SAY HE WOULD NOT JUST WANTED TO SAY WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO PUT THERE.
THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE WERE THERE FIRST, THEY GET FIRST CONSIDERATION AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, THEY WERE THERE.
THEY WERE THE FIRST ONES THERE.
THEY DESERVE TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING IN THERE.
IF YOU CAME TO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THERE WERE 50 DIFFERENT THINGS THAT COME IN THERE, YOU WILL WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING IN THERE.
>> WELL, I'M GOING TO NEIGHBORHOODS. [LAUGHTER]
>> I AGREE WITH DR. K. WAS KENNEDY NOTE WHAT'S GOING IN SO WE CAN TWEAK THIS LIST.
BUT THERE'S CERTAIN AREAS THAT THE ITEMS ON THE LIST IS GOOD IN THIS AREA.
ANOTHER ITEM ON THE LIST IS GOOD IN THIS AREA.
>> WHERE I THINK IT NEEDS TO MATCH OUR COMP PLAN.
IF WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS COMP PLAN AND WE'RE DOING OR WE WON'T GROWTH IN THIS AREA FOR COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL, THEN WE NEED TO DO TO ZONING TO MATCH OUR COMP PLAN TO WHERE WE CAN DO THESE THINGS.
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>> LISTEN, I'M IN THE MIDDLE BECAUSE ONE THING THAT I THINK THAT WE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY DOES NOT DO A GOOD JOB OF IS SOMETIMES THERE'S PEOPLE.
SOMETIMES A DEVELOPER BUYS A PIECE OF LAND THAT DOESN'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S GONNA GO ON THERE.
THEY COULD COME IN HERE AND GIVE YOU A GENERAL IDEA.
BUT NOT ALL THE DEVELOPERS OR SOLAR PANEL USED CAR SALESMAN, LIKE WE'VE SEEN.
NOT EVERYONE, SOME OF THEM AREN'T.
BUT THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE DISCRETION TO USE COMMON SENSE AND MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.
>> DO YOU HAVE A LIST OF THOSE 57?. THANKS, MS. LEWIS.
>> WE HAVE 57 AND THEY ELIMINATE 47 AND THERE'S 10 THERE.
WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING IN.
WE SHOULDN'T PUSH EVERY SINGLE PERSON WAY.
THAT'S IN STIFLING GROWTH, STIFLING ANY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WHERE PEOPLE ARE.
>> I GUESS MY QUESTION WAS I AGREE WITH THAT ALSO, BUT MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE AS THE COMMISSION LET HIM COME BACK LIKE DEFERRED, NOT VOTED DOWN AS THE DISAPPROVAL TO GO TO THE SUPERVISE.
>> LIKE I'VE TRIED TO GET THAT POINT ACROSS.
>> YOU DID. I WAS LISTENING ON THE PHONE AND I WOULD HAVE VOTED THE EXACT SAME WAY YOU DID IT BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD HAVE DEFERRED IT.
GOT SOME MORE HOMEWORK DONE ON UP BEFORE WE SEND IT TO BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR US TO. [OVERLAPPING]
>> [INAUDIBLE] YOU WITH EVERYTHING THAT CAN GO IN THERE INCLUDING THE TRUCK.
>> I DIDN'T SAY THAT. YOU JUST DIDN'T KNOW.
I SAID I SAID WE SHOULD HAVE DEFERRED IT.
LET THEM COME BACK WITH SOME HOMEWORK TO US BEFORE WE JUST DISAPPROVE IT.
>> I WOULD LIKE THIS MEETING UP A LITTLE BIT [LAUGHTER].
WOULD YOU READ NUMBER NN ON THERE, PLEASE.
[LAUGHTER] TELL ME IF THAT'S A TYPO OR NOT.
>> [LAUGHTER] NN TRICK TERMINAL.
[LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING] STOP, TRICK TERMINAL. [LAUGHTER].
I THOUGHT THAT ONE WITH THE TRUCK STOP.
[LAUGHTER] I THINK MAYBE WE NEED TO EDIT OF THAT.
I SHOULD DO IT CHAIR [LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING].
>> I WAS HOPING THAT THEY WOULD GO AND PICK UP ON IT AND SAY, WELL, LET'S JUST DIVERT.
MR. MAN, I'M IN THE MIDDLE HERE AND I REALLY AM IN THE MIDDLE BECAUSE I THINK [OVERLAPPING] THE MAN'S DONE SPENT 20,000, MAYBE 25, A WETLAND DELINEATION THAT RIGHT THERE IS FIVE THOUSANDS.
I KNOW THE PRICE BECAUSE I'VE JUST DONE ONE.
YEAH, THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS GOING TO BE PROBABLY 4,800.
UK'S USE THE MONEY THEY SPEND AS AN EXCUSE FOR OKAY IN SOMETHING.
>> I'M NOT USING IT AS AN EXCUSE.
>> NO, I'M NOT. [OVERLAPPING] I'M USING IT AS AN ANALYSIS.
EXACTLY FROM THAT [OVERLAPPING].
BUT HE'S PUTTING HIS BMP PONDS IN AND HE SAYS IN THEIR APPLICATION HAS GONE WE'RE DOING WAREHOUSING.
THAT WAS THE PROFFER, SO WE THINK HE'S GOING TO PUT A SOOTHSAYER IN THERE.
I JUST THINK THAT WE HAVE TO USE COMMON SENSE.
WELL, I GET THAT YOU WANT MORE.
>> IF HE WANTED TO REALLY GET IT DONE, HE SHOULD HAVE USED SOME COMMON SENSE AND NARROWED IT DOWN TO A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT.
IF I SPENT ALL THAT MONEY, AND I THOUGHT [OVERLAPPING].
>> I'M TRYING TO GET YOU ALL TOGETHER.
>> THE PLANNING COMMISSION ONE GOING TO OKAY [OVERLAPPING] THE OTHER THING IS THEY DIDN'T TALK TO ANYBODY IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.
THEY DIDN'T TALK TO A SINGLE PERSON WHO LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S A FAILURE. NUMBER 1 IN THERE PART.
>> IS THAT REALLY A NEIGHBORHOOD?
>> I THINK THE APPLICANT, HE COULD KICK OFF THAT [LAUGHTER] IT WAS BASED ON HIS OWN [OVERLAPPING].
>> THREE OF THE PEOPLE WHO SMOKE RENT HOUSES FROM THE GUY.
[OVERLAPPING] THEY WERE HIS TENANTS.
>> IF YOU WANT SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THOUGH, AND YOU GO AROUND AND TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS, SO THEY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND IT PROBABLY THEY WOULDN'T HAVE SHOWN UP AND COMPLAIN ABOUT.
>> I THINK STILL THEY WOULD HAVE.
>> I THINK THEY WOULD HAVE COMPLAINED.
THERE'S NOT A PIECE OF PROPERTY IN THIS COUNTY THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE AT LEAST TWO OR THREE PEOPLE SHOW SPEAK AGAINST.
>> I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU.
>> I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU. I'M NOT SAYING APPROVE IT.
>> IT'S A CASE BY CASE, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE INVESTING AND THERE DOING THEIR SITE WORK, THEY'RE DOING THE SURVEYS.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT IF THEY DO ANY WORK WILL APPROVE IT.
[OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER] BUT I THINK THAT'S A FACTOR THAT WE WEIGH.
HEY, THIS PERSON WANTS TO INVEST IN OUR COMMUNITY IN SOME WAY AND IS POSSIBLY COULD BE THESE PEOPLE GOING TO, DO WE THINK WE CAN TRUST THEM TO INVEST IN OUR COMMUNITY AND DO THE RIGHT THING.
THERE HAS TO BE SOME FAITH EVEN IF IT'S 10%.
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WE CAN'T HAVE 100%.HEY, THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
IT SEEMS SOMETIMES WE GET SO RIGID AND I'VE DONE IT TOO.
I'M BLAMING MYSELF AND BEND THAT WAY.
I THINK THAT'S MR. TURNER'S POINT.
>> YEAH. I MEAN, THREE PEOPLE SPOKE IN FAVOR? YES. IT WAS PEOPLE WHO SPOKE AGAINST, BUT I JUST THINK MAYBE IT SHOULD [OVERLAPPING] HAVE GOT DEFERRED.
>> BUT TWO ALREADY LIVED THERE.
THERE LITTLE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET.
>> WHAT I'M SAYING IS, I THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID THE RIGHT THING, BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME PROBLEMS. WE TOOK THE HEAT.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO TAKE THE HEAT OFF THE BOARD SUPERVISORS GET KICKED FIRST, THEN THE SUPERVISOR CAN SEE THAT YOU ALL TOOK WHEN YOU GOT YOUR CERTIFICATION.
THEN BY THE TIME IT GETS TO THE BOARD, THE BOARD HAS SEEN ALL THE PROBABILITIES, THEY'VE SEEN HOW THE PUBLIC REACTS, SO THEY CAN WEIGH THAT ON THEIR DECISION.
>> THIS WAS A LIVELY DISCUSSION.
>> BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO SPEND THAT MUCH MONEY ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I WOULD TELL PEOPLE WHAT I'M GOING TO DO.
>> BUT WHAT I'M TELLING YOU, SOMETIMES YOU DON'T KNOW A 100%.
>> BUT I WOULD SPEND THE MONEY.
>> THEY'RE PREPPING THE LAND TO ENCOURAGE BUSINESSES TO MOVE IN THERE.
[OVERLAPPING] YOU COULD MAYBE DO IT AT 60%.
>> WELL, SO HE'D HAD NARROWED THAT DOWN TO SIX DIFFERENT THINGS YOU COULD DO.
THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE REASONABLE.
>> THAT'S WHERE I'M WITH YOU. I AGREE WITH YOU.
>> I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE GAVE THE GENTLEMEN.
I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING HERE AND LISTEN TO ALL THE COMMENTS, BECAUSE I WAS ON THE PHONE, BUT WE SHOULDN'T GIVE THE GENTLEMAN FEEDBACK AND THEN LET HIM COME BACK TO US BEFORE WE JUST VOTED IT.
>> IS ALL I'M SAYING. CERTIFICATION COST AND ONE OF THEM ONE OF THE PITFALLS AS THEY COME AND SAY I SPENT ALL THIS MONEY IN CASH.
THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, THAT'S OUR PROBLEMS. OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO DO THE BEST THING FOR THE COUNTY AND THE PEOPLE OF THE COUNTY, REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH MONEY THEY SPENT. THAT'S THE EMPLOY.
I SPENT ALL THIS MONEY, SO I WANT YOU TO APPROVE IT.
I DON'T THINK IT WILL WORK AND IT DOES IT.
IF YOU LOOK AT WHEN YOU DID YOUR CERTIFICATION, YOU FOUND OUT THAT THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS YOU HAD TO WATCH OUT FOR.
OH, I WANT THIS OKAY BECAUSE I SPENT ALL THIS MONEY.
I THINK IF THEY'RE SMART ENOUGH.
>> [LAUGHTER] I THINK THEY WOULD HAVE CHECKED ON THIS BEFORE THEY SPENT THE MONEY. I SURE WOULD.
>> ANYTHING ELSE? [OVERLAPPING].
>> IF YOU WENT TO INVEST IN A STOCK WITHOUT LOOKING AT IT.
THEN THE STOCK GOES THERE, YOU SAY, WAIT A MINUTE, I SPENT ALL THIS MONEY.
LET'S TALK THROUGH HOW TO DO BUTTERNUT THIS TIME.
>> I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S AS SIMPLE AS YOUR ARE FRAMING IT.
I AGREE WITH YOU THAT THAT HAPPENS, BUT I DON T THINK IT'S EVERY SCENARIO.
>> HOW MANY HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE TURN SOMETHING LIKE THAT DOWN? [BACKGROUND] LOOK, THE GUY CAME TONIGHT, VERY REASONABLE, WHERE IS THE QUESTION, BOOM.
EVERYBODY THOUGH. WELL, I'M RIGHT ON THROUGH IT.
HE SAID WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO, IT WAS INAPPROPRIATE AREA, WENT RIGHT ON THROUGH IT.
>> I FELT FOR THE APPLICANT LAST WEEK BECAUSE I JUST GOT THIS SENSE THAT HIS ADVICE COULD HAVE BEEN BETTER, THAT SOMEBODY IN THAT GROUP THAT WAS ADVISING THE LANDOWNER SHOULD HAVE PICKED UP ON AND THEY DO IT ALL THE TIME, SHOULD HAVE PICKED UP ON IT.
LET'S JUST REFER IT AND LET'S TALK ABOUT IT.
>> I DID TELL THEM THE DAY BEFORE THE MEETING, IF IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING SOUTH THEN SOMEONE NEEDS TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND ASK FOR A DEFERRAL.
[OVERLAPPING] I WAS TRYING TO TELL THEM WHILE I WAS SITTING HERE LAST MONTH.
>> SEEMED LIKE THEY WERE ALL LOOKING AROUND THE [OVERLAPPING].
>> WHEN I HEARD THAT AND NOBODY WAS STEPPING OUT, I FAIL FOR THE JOB.
I DON'T WANT TO STEP ON ANYBODY'S TOE, BUT I JUST FELT ON IT.
>> WELL, IT MAYBE YOU [OVERLAPPING].
>> WHEN THEY COME TO THE BOARD IN JANUARY, THEY NARROWED IT DOWN, SO THERE'S NO OBJECTION, I DON'T KNOW.
>> MAYBE THEY'RE. HERE AT THE MEETING THE NIGHT TO ADJOURN.
>> ADJOURN. [LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING].
>> EVERYONE CAN REMAIN.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.