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SUPERVISOR WHITE SAYS AT 6:00 AND TIME TO START THE MEETING.
WE'LL OPEN THE MEETING. GOOD TO SEE EVERYBODY HERE.
IT'S GOOD TO SEE A BIG CROWD PARTICIPATING IN THEIR LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
I'D LIKE TO SAY YOU CAN'T DO IT IN RICHMOND.
YOU CAN'T DO IT IN WASHINGTON, BUT YOU CAN DO IT HERE.
WE HAVE A FULL VOTE, A QUORUM, SO WE CAN CONDUCT BUSINESS.
AND THE FIRST THING IS PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
EVERYBODY STAND FOR THAT, PLEASE.
OKAY. CAN WE HAVE A VOLUNTEER FROM OUT THERE FOR INVOCATION? SIR. MR. DRAKE.
THANK YOU. LET'S BOW OUR HEADS LADIES AND GENTLEMAN.
HEAVENLY FATHER, WE GIVE THANKS FOR THIS EVENING THAT WE CAN COME, LORD, TO FOR THIS BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING AND FOR TWO GUESTS WHO HAVE COME TONIGHT.
LORD, WE ASK THAT YOU WATCH OVER US, THAT THE MATTERS THAT ARE DISCUSSED TONIGHT WOULD BE FRUITFUL TO DECISIONS THAT WOULD BE MADE BY OUR GOVERNING BODY, AND THEY WILL BE PLEASING TO YOU, LORD.
THANK YOU FOR OUR GOOD WEATHER WE'RE HAVING.
BE WITH THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES AS THEY GET THROUGH THESE TRIBAL TIMES.
NUMBER ONE ON THE AGENDA CITIZENS COMMENT PERIOD.
[1. Citizens Comment Period]
THIS WAS STARTED ON NOVEMBER 25TH, 2013.IT'S ALSO PART OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S REGIMENT.
MISTER CUTCHINS. THANK YOU, MISTER CHAIRMAN.
MY NAME IS ASH CUTCHIN AND I LIVE AT 29018 GARDEN POINT ROAD.
AND THIS WILL PROBABLY GO OVER THREE MINUTES, SO BEAR WITH ME, PLEASE.
IN SPITE OF WHAT OUR PRESIDENT, JOE BIDEN, SAID A FEW YEARS AGO, CHINA IS NOT OUR FRIEND.
CHINA IS NOT EVEN A FRIEND OF MOST OF THE WORLD.
I THINK OF CHINA A LOT THESE DAYS.
WHEN I THINK OF CHINA, MY MIND WANDERS BACK TO THE KOREAN WAR AND EVEN FARTHER BACK IN TIME TO THE MILLIONS OF CHINESE MURDERED BY MAO TSE TUNG WHEN THE COMMUNISTS TOOK CONTROL IN THE LATE 1940S.
I THINK A MORE RECENT EVENTS SUCH AS THE CHINESE INVESTMENTS IN MANY POOR AFRICAN AND SOUTH AMERICAN COUNTRIES AS THEY ATTEMPT TO GAIN ECONOMIC AND POLITICAL INFLUENCE THERE.
I THINK OF THE THOUSANDS OF ACRES THEY HAVE PURCHASED NEAR TRAVIS AIR FORCE BASE IN CALIFORNIA.
I THINK OF OUR PATHETIC SUPPLY OF PRESCRIPTION MEDICATIONS.
MOST OF WHICH ARE MADE IN CHINA AND WHICH COULD BE CUT OFF ON VERY SHORT NOTICE.
I THINK OF THEIR RECENT MASSING OF SHIPS OFF THE COAST OF ALASKA, THEIR CONSTRUCTION OF MANMADE ISLANDS OFF THE COAST OF TAIWAN, AND THEIR CONSTANT THREATS TO INVADE THAT COUNTRY.
SO I SAY AGAIN, CHINA IS NOT OUR FRIEND.
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I RECENTLY ASKED OUR ECONOMIC GURU, MR. HECK, WHO'S BACK HERE, AND I SAID I WAS GOING TO QUOTE HIM.I ASKED HIM IF IT IS TRUE THAT A CHINESE COMPANY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY.
THE CALIFORNIA COMPANY THAT BOUGHT THE LAND IS A WHOLLY OWNED SUBSIDIARY OF A CHINESE COMPANY.
MY REACTION IS, OF COURSE, THAT ANY AND ALL COMPANIES IN CHINA ARE CONTROLLED BY THE CCP, THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY, AND THEY ARE DEFINITELY NOT OUR FRIENDS.
WE DO NOT NEED THEM SETTING UP ANY KIND OF WAREHOUSE COMPLEX ANYWHERE IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, A PLACE WHERE COMMUNICATIONS MONITORS OF ALL KINDS CAN BE CONSTRUCTED ONLY 50 MILES FROM THE LARGEST NAVAL BASE IN THE WORLD, ONLY 60 MILES FROM OCEANA NAVAL AIR STATION, 50 MILES FROM LANGLEY, FORT EUSTIS, AND 50 MILES FROM FORT GREG ADAMS, WHICH WAS FORMERLY KNOWN AS FORT LEE IN PETERSBURG.
THESE ARE ALL MAJOR US MILITARY FACILITIES VITAL TO OUR HOMELAND SECURITY AND VITAL TO OUR NATIONAL DEFENSE BECAUSE OF THE OFFICIAL WHITE HOUSE POLICY THESE DAYS.
SOME OF OUR ELECTED LEADERS IN CONGRESS HAVE ALLEGEDLY BEEN UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF CHINESE SPIES.
OUR COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES ARE HARBORING PERHAPS THOUSANDS OF CHINESE CITIZENS POSING AS STUDENTS, BUT WHO ARE REALLY THIEVES HERE TO STEAL OUR COMPUTER SECRETS AND OTHER VALUABLE INTELLECTUAL PROPERTIES.
TONIGHT, I PROPOSE THAT WE DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO PREVENT THIS FROM TAKING PLACE, EVEN DOWN ZONING, TO PARCEL BACK TO A ONE AGRICULTURAL, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
WE MIGHT HAVE TO ENDURE A LAWSUIT.
BUT EVEN IF IT IS REASONABLY POSSIBLE, I THINK WE OUGHT TO DO IT.
WE DO NOT NEED OR WANT ANY KIND OF CHINESE WAREHOUSE COMPLEX IN OUR COUNTY.
I ASK YOU TONIGHT, WHERE ARE OUR STATE AND NATIONAL LEADERS ON THIS PROBLEM? ARE THEY BLIND? CHINA IS NOT OUR FRIEND.
I APOLOGIZE FOR EXCEEDING MY TIME.
I FEEL CERTAIN OTHER CITIZENS WANT TO SPEAK FOR THAT.
I THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, WHO'S NEXT? GOOD EVENING. I'M ERVA JONES, SCOTT.
GOOD EVENING. I RESIDE AT 33306 JOINERS BRIDGE ROAD, FRANKLIN, VIRGINIA.
AND GREETINGS TO DOCTOR EDWARDS, THE CHAIR, MR. WHITE AND THE FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS.
I'M HERE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT BECAUSE WE HAVE A VERY, VERY SERIOUS PROBLEM IN MY COMMUNITY.
MATTER OF FACT, IT IS A VERY DANGEROUS COMMUNITY NOW.
SO I'M HERE TO ASK YOU TO INTERVENE ON OUR BEHALF.
I'M GOING TO CITE SIX ISSUES THAT ARE VERY, VERY SERIOUS ISSUES.
AND THEN WE WILL HAVE OTHER PEOPLE COME UP AND TALK PERSONALLY ABOUT THEM.
NUMBER ONE, WE WOULD LIKE FOR TO CALL UPON YOU AND THE OTHER REGULATORY AGENCIES ON THE LOCAL LEVEL TO GO AFTER THE GPS SYSTEMS TO BAN ROUTING, TRANSPORTATION OR TRAFFIC THROUGH 635 TO 611 FROM THE WALTERS HIGHWAY.
THEY ARE NOW USING THIS AS A SHORTCUT.
AS AN INTERSTATE AND THE TRAFFIC IS 24 OVER SEVEN NONSTOP AND THE RATE OF SPEED IS HIGHLY DANGEROUS.
WE WOULD ALSO LIKE YOU TO WORK WITH THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENTS LOCALLY, REGIONALLY, NATIONALLY TO INSIST ON BANNING OR PROHIBITING ALL TYPES OF COMMERCIAL TRUCKS, TRACTORS AND OVERSIZE VEHICLES OF ANY
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SORT FROM USING A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.LOWERING THE SPEED FROM 55 TO 45 THROUGH TO 25 THROUGHOUT SIX 11TH MAY BE THE MOST EFFECTIVE AND MOST IMMEDIATE CHANGE THAT PERHAPS YOU ALL CAN PURSUE.
WE'RE ALSO REQUESTING THAT THE COUNTY GET BACK TO IDENTIFYING THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY RESIDENTS WHO ARE USING THE TRASH DUMPSTER DAY.
WE THINK THAT PERHAPS SOME OF THE THRUWAY TRAFFIC MAY BE DROPPING THEIR TRAFFIC, THEIR TRASH OFF, AND THAT'S POSING A BACKUP OF VEHICLES AND IS ENDANGERING PEOPLE TO EVEN BACK OUT OR COME OUT OF THEIR DRIVEWAYS AT VARIOUS TIMES OF THE DAY. WE WILL CITE AN ACCIDENT THAT HAPPENED A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO WHEREIN A CAR WAS TOTALED.
TWO PEOPLE WERE INJURED BECAUSE THEY WERE TAILGATING.
THERE ARE ONGOING EXPENSES WITH MEDICAL TREATMENT, ALL BECAUSE THERE IS NO POLICING AND THERE IS NO WAY TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM EXCEPT GO TO THE HEAD.
WE CAN SUGGEST TO YOU TO LOOK AT PUTTING SPEED BUMPS IN BECAUSE THERE ARE STILL CHILDREN GOING TO SCHOOL AND THERE WILL BE SCHOOL BUSSES COMING DOWN IN A FEW DAYS.
WE WANT TO TRY TO PREVENT ANY FURTHER FATALITIES.
OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, THERE'S BEEN AT LEAST FIVE.
SHOULDN'T BE. BUT IT STILL HAPPENS BECAUSE OF THE EXCESSIVE.
INCREASE IN TRAFFIC AND EXCESSIVE SPEED AND DRIVING.
I MYSELF HAVE TO JUMP OUT IN THE DITCH.
SOMETIMES YOU CAN EVEN WALK, LET ALONE DRIVE A BIKE.
WE SUGGEST, HOWEVER, THAT PERHAPS PUTTING THE RADAR CAMERAS MIGHT HELP.
AND IT HAS TO BE DONE LIKE YESTERDAY.
IT IS OUR HOPE THAT THESE CONCERNS WILL BE SERIOUSLY LOOKED INTO.
AND IMMEDIATELY RESULTS TO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR SAFETY AS WE GROW OLDER.
WHICH STREETS DID YOU SAY? 635. AND THEY'RE COMING FROM WALTERS HIGHWAY, CUTTING THROUGH SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY.
611 DNA HIT 635 TO THE RIGHT, GO UP TO PETERSBURG OR THEY HIT 635 AND COME BACK INTO FRANKLIN.
AND WE ARE HAVING ALL KINDS OF 18 WHEELERS, LOG TRUCKS, EVERYTHING IMAGINABLE, 24 HOURS A DAY NOW IS COMING THROUGH THERE. AND THEY'RE NOT STOPPING WHERE YOU HAVE THE BREAKS IN THE YELLOW PAVEMENT.
THEY DON'T PAY THAT NO ATTENTION.
AND SO WE WE HAVE POLICE REPORTS.
A LOT OF THE INCIDENTS AND ACCIDENTS ARE NOT REPORTED.
BUT WE DO HAVE SOMETHING THAT COVERS THE LAST 5 TO 10 YEARS AND 2022, WE HAVE SEEN AN INCREASE OF FIVE ACCIDENTS. AND SO I THINK THERE IS TIME THAT YOU, AS THE GOVERNING BOARD, TAKE A LOOK INTO THIS FOR YOUR CITIZENS.
THANK YOU. IS THAT YOUR DISTRICT? ST GEORGE BRAIDWOOD.
HI, MY NAME IS ISABELLE WALTER.
I LIVE ON 33358 JOINERS BRIDGE ROAD.
I OWN SEVERAL THOUSAND ROAD FRONTAGE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
I ACTUALLY HAD PERSONAL DAMAGE DONE TO MY HORSE FENCING.
THEY TOOK OUT A 150 FOOT OF THREE RAIL FENCE.
WE GOT KNOCKED ON THE DOOR BY FIREFIGHTERS AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE MY ANIMALS WERE THAT NIGHT.
I BELIEVE I ACTUALLY ACTUALLY HAD THEM IN THAT NIGHT.
AND THAT HAPPENED TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO.
ANOTHER THING IS WE'VE BEEN PAINTING FENCING.
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SO EVERY TIME I'M TRYING TO PAINT, PEOPLE DON'T CARE THAT YOU'RE RIGHT THERE ON THE DITCH.THEY'RE PASSING DOING 60, 70 MILES AN HOUR.
THEY DON'T CARE. THERE'S PEOPLE THERE.
IF THERE'S A DOG THERE, THEY'LL SLOW DOWN.
BUT IF THERE'S A PERSON THERE, THEY'RE JUST GOING TO SPEED UP.
SO IT'S REALLY HARD TO MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THE SPEED LIMIT SHOULD NOT BE 55.
IT NEEDS TO BE DROPPED TO 45 AND IT SHOULD NOT BE A CUT THROUGH.
SO ACTUALLY STOPPING A FOUR HORSE SLANT LOAD WITH A DUALLY TRYING TO GET INTO MY DRIVEWAY IS A BIG DEAL FOR ME.
SO JOINERS BRIDGE IS BECOMING A BIG PROBLEM.
THE LAST TIME, THREE DAYS AGO, I SAW A BUNCH OF STUFF AND A BUNCH OF PEOPLE ON THE ROAD.
I ACTUALLY HAD TO RUN DOWN THERE AND SAY, IS MY FENCE STILL UP? BECAUSE IT WAS HORSES IN THE PASTURE? SO I'M CONSTANTLY LOOKING OUTSIDE, WONDERING IF SOMEONE HAS DAMAGED OUR PROPERTY.
SO I AGREE AND I FEEL THAT THE SPEED LIMIT DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE DROPPED.
ALL RIGHT, WHO'S NEXT? GREETINGS TO THE PANEL.
MY NAME IS CYNTHIA BRYANT AND I LIVE AT 33347 GEORGES BRIDGE ROAD.
UM. I WAS BORN IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY.
I STRAYED AWAY, CAME BACK, CAME.
I'VE BEEN HERE NOW PERMANENTLY SINCE 2000.
I REMEMBER WHEN GEORGIA'S BRIDGE ROAD WAS DIRT AND ROCKS, AND I USED TO COME HOME ON SUMMER VACATION FROM SCHOOL AND PLAY WITH MY NEIGHBORS BROTHER AND RUN THEM UP THE TREE.
AND HE HAD A HABIT OF WALKING BAREFOOTED AND I WOULD TRY TO WALK BAREFOOT.
BUT A CITY GIRL CANNOT WALK BAREFOOTED ON ROCKS AND DIRT.
ANYWAY, UM, ON AUGUST THE 11TH.
SHE WAS DRIVING, TURNING INTO MY DRIVEWAY.
THIS DODGE RAM TRUCK JAMMED US IN THE BACK AND DEPLOYED THE BATTERIES AND WHATNOT.
YOU COULDN'T EVEN MOVE THE CAR.
THE CAR HAD TO BE TOWED IN THE YARD.
THIS GENTLEMAN HAD THREE KIDS IN THE CAR.
THE SMALLEST THE OLDEST ONE WAS PROBABLY FOUR YEARS OLD.
AND AFTER MY DAUGHTER AND I REALIZED THAT WE WERE NOT BLEEDING AND DIDN'T HAVE ANY BROKEN LIMBS.
MY THOUGHTS WERE, I AM GLAD HE HIT US BECAUSE I WAS FEARFUL OF WHAT HE MIGHT HAVE ENCOUNTERED FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD WITH THOSE KIDS.
WE ARE HERE NOT BASHING ANYBODY.
I HAVE ASKED SHERIFF JOSH, I'VE TALKED TO HIM.
HE SENT OUT AN OFFICER, I THINK ONE DAY THIS WEEK.
WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR HELP IN FIXING THIS SITUATION.
UM, I FEEL LIKE, UM, WHEN THEY GET ON JONAH'S BRIDGE ROAD, IT'S LIKE, LET'S JAM IT.
AND I FEEL LIKE SOME OF IT IS DUE TO THE FACT THAT THEY DON'T SEE ANY PRESENCE OF POLICE OFFICERS.
AND YOU KNOW HOW YOU TRAVEL ON CERTAIN ROADS AND YOU KNOW WHERE THEY SIT.
THEY DON'T HAVE ANY FEAR OF HAVING TO SLOW UP.
SO WE JUST ASK FOR YOUR HELP IN DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THIS ROAD, WHETHER IT'S THE ROBOTS, THE THINGS WITH THE SPEED THING ON IT CHECKS THE SPEED OR WHETHER IT'S OFFICERS SIT DOWN THERE.
I PREFER OFFICER SITTING OUT THERE WRITING TICKETS.
SO WE JUST ASK FOR YOUR HELP WITH THAT.
ALL RIGHT, WHO'S NEXT? AND YOU GET OUR NAME? CYNTHIA BRYANT.
HI. THIS IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
I LIVE AT 33358 GEORGES BRIDGE ROAD.
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AND WE HAVE A NEIGHBOR THAT LIVES NEXT TO US, AND THEY LIVE ON 33388 JOINERS BRIDGE ROAD.SO THEY THEIR FRONT YARD IS JUST AN ABSOLUTE WRECK.
SO I ACTUALLY HAVE PICTURES OF THEIR GARDEN AND IT'S NOT A GARDEN.
IT IS I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT IS, BUT IT'S NOT A GARDEN.
SO I WENT AHEAD AND I LOOKED UP THE ORDINANCE AND IT DOES SAY THAT UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY TO PERMIT GRASS, WEEDS OR OTHER UNHEALTHY GROWTH, ACCESS TO 12IN OF HEIGHT THEREOF.
AND IT SAYS IT'S ALSO ZONED FOR A ONE IT DOES INCLUDE IT AS LONG AS THERE'S A RESIDENCE.
I DID TALK TO HIM ABOUT IT FOR TWO YEARS.
HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO CLEAN IT UP.
HE'S NOT. SO I DO HAVE PICTURES OF THE PROPERTY IF YOU GUYS WANT TO LOOK AT IT WITH THE DEAD CORN AND ALL OF THE GRASS AND THE IT'S JUST WEEDS.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHY THEY'RE JUST NOT MOWING IT DOWN.
SO IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IT, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO PRESENT IT TO YOU GUYS.
BUT I JUST FEEL THAT THERE'S RATS GOING INTO MY PASTURE AND THERE'S SNAKES AND WE DO HAVE TWO PONDS AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MOCCASINS AND STUFF. AND THEIR HOUSE IS NOT ONLY AN EYESORE, BUT I THINK IT'S VERY UNHEALTHY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH TO THE ATTENTION OF MATTER.
WHO'S NEXT? GOT PLENTY OF TIME.
WE RECENTLY MOVED THERE ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO.
DURING CLOSING, I WAS REASSURED THAT APPARENTLY THIS WAREHOUSE WAS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
AND THEN TWO WEEKS PRIOR TO CLOSING, THEY SAID, ACTUALLY, IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN NOW.
SO BUT THE BALL WAS ALREADY ROLLING.
I LOVE THE HOUSE. I LOVE THE AREA.
CAMP PARKWAY IS A GORGEOUS AREA TO LIVE IN.
I WAS WELCOMED WITH A ROGUE MOTORCYCLE RECENTLY, SO THERE'S LIKE A LITTLE POTENTIAL CRIME THAT'S, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS VERY MINOR.
BUT I DO FORESEE WITH WAREHOUSING AND DEVELOPING THAT THE TYPE OF BUSINESS THAT I'VE READ ABOUT AND I'M NOT UP TO SPEED WITH EVERYTHING, BUT FROM WHAT I'M READING, IT'S NOT IT DOES NOT LOOK PRETTY.
BUT I DO BELIEVE THE CRIME WOULD INCREASE.
AND I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE AWARE THAT IT'S RIGHT THERE WITH THE SCHOOL.
I DO HAVE FIVE SMALL CHILDREN OF MY OWN, TWO SETS OF TWINS PLUS AN ADDITION.
BUT IF THERE IS A CONCERN FOR A TAX IMPLICATION FOR THE THE INDIVIDUALS THAT LIVE ON THAT STRETCH OF ROAD, IF THE DECISION WAS MADE FOR THE SAKE OF SAVING THE TAXPAYERS MONEY BY PUTTING A BUSINESS THERE IN PLACE OF, SAY, RESIDENTIAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION IS FOR THAT PARCEL OF LAND, BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE THE WAREHOUSE AND THE CHINESE COMPANY OWNING IT IS GOING TO BE THE BEST.
I'M A RESIDENT OF THE AREA, BUT I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A BUSINESS OWNER OF THE AREA.
AND I DO KNOW THAT WE HAVE MULTIPLE DIFFERENT AREAS FOR BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT IN THE COUNTY AND I DON'T REALLY FEEL THAT THAT IS THE BEST PLACE FOR THAT.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU. OKAY, WHO'S NEXT? CHAIRMAN, BOARD, GOOD TO SEE ALL OF Y'ALL HERE.
WE HAVE HAD I HAVE BEEN HERE ALL OF MY LIFE AND BEING BACK AND FORTH OF THESE BOARD MEETINGS.
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AND I PERSONALLY FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE BEST BOARD WE'VE EVER HAD IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY.DON'T WANT TO HURT ANYBODY ELSE'S FEELINGS.
BUT AS FAR IS PEOPLE THAT LOOK OUT FOR INTEREST, THAT INTERESTS ME.
THE DEAL ABOUT THE WAREHOUSES AND WHATEVER HAVE BEEN BEEN INVOLVED IN IT EVER SINCE IT STARTED, BECAUSE I WAS HERE TOTALLY AGAINST THE FOR WITH THE 900 AND SOME HOUSES.
I STILL AM AGAINST THE HOUSES.
I'M TOTALLY AGAINST IT, BUT I'M ALSO TOTALLY AGAINST DAMS ON IT BACK TO PUT HOUSES ON IT, BECAUSE WHETHER YOU PUT THE 900 HOUSES THEY CLAIMED ON IT BEFORE OR YOU PUT ONE HOUSE ON IT FOR EVERY ACRE, THIS COUNTY CANNOT STAND IT.
SO IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN HERE, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET MUCH HELP FROM OUTSIDE.
SO ANYWAY, I'M JUST VOICING MY OPINION.
I TRUST YOU ALL TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION AND I'M GLAD TO BE A PART OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY.
ALL RIGHT, WHO'S NEXT? GOOD EVENING, MR. CROSS.
GOOD EVENING, MR. EDWARDS AND BOARD.
ADMINISTRATION. MY NAME IS GARY CROSS AND I RESIDE IN MR. CORNWELL'S DISTRICT AND PROUD TO DO SO.
I WANT TO REMIND YOU ALL THAT THURSDAY NIGHT IS THE FARM BUREAU ANNUAL MEETING.
AND SINCE YOU ALL ARE MY FAVORITE BOARD, EACH OF YOU ARE INVITED.
AND I HOPE YOU CAN COME AND SHARE A NIGHT OF FELLOWSHIP AND FOOD WITH US AT THE AT THE FARM BUREAU MEETING, I WAS REALLY ELATED TO HEAR MS.. ROSE SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE TRASH DUMPSTERS AND THE PROBLEMS SHE'S HAVING ON JONES BRIDGE ROAD.
MY WIFE USES THAT ROAD TO GO TO WORK IN THE MORNING.
SHE'S CONSTANTLY GETTING RUN OVER BY THE TRAFFIC, TRYING TO GET THROUGH THERE.
SO WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE THIS EVENING.
I CAME IN HERE A FEW MONTHS AGO AND TRIED TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE TRASH DUMPSTERS AND WELL, I'M NOT HERE TO I WASN'T HERE THAT NIGHT NOR TONIGHT TO TRY TO FIND A SOLUTION TO WHO HAS OR HAS NOT PAID THEIR DUMPSTER FEE.
THAT CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF LATER.
BUT THE PROCESS, I SAID, IS SO SIMPLE THAT IT COULD START TOMORROW.
I THINK MR. FAISON SAID HE DIDN'T SEE A PROBLEM IN BRANCHVILLE AREA.
WELL, I IMAGINE THE NORTH CAROLINA LICENSE PLATES KIND OF HELPS THAT A LITTLE BIT.
IT DOESN'T HAPPEN ANYWHERE ELSE.
ZUNI, WINDSOR, EMPORIA, ALL THE OTHER OUTLYING AREAS NEED TO BE IDENTIFIED WITH A SIMPLE DECAL.
HERE'S A DECAL. PUT IT IN YOUR WINDOW.
SO SIMPLE. IT COULD START TO MOTH.
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO TELL YOU.
LISTENING THROUGH SOME COMMENTS ALREADY TONIGHT.
AND I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT IT BEFORE.
WHAT KIND OF POLICY DOES THE COUNTY HAVE FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS? THESE PEOPLE CRASHING OUR BORDERS AND TRYING TO FIND ANYWHERE THEY CAN TO GO AND LAY AROUND AND LIVE.
DILAPIDATED PROPERTIES OUT OF THE WAY.
IS THERE A POLICY FROM THIS COUNTY OR HOW WOULD WE ADDRESS IT IF A BUSLOAD SHOWED UP FROM TEXAS NEXT WEEK, AND WE HAVE DONE NOTHING TO SET THE BAR FOR THAT.
MY LAST THING, OF COURSE, IS GOING TO BE THE CUTCHINS FARM THIS EVENING.
THAT THING HAS BEEN THROUGH MORE ZONE CHANGES THAN ANY OTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY IN OUR COUNTY.
UM, IN THE SECRECY OF NIGHT BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, IT WAS CHANGED FROM AGRICULTURAL TO RESIDENTIAL.
AND THEN IT WAS CHANGED FROM RESIDENTIAL TO WHAT IT IS NOW.
THROUGH MUCH DEBATE AND PUBLIC HEARINGS.
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TRUCKS ON THESE ROADS UNTIL WE CAN ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC THAT WE HAVE.I USED TO. DID NOT, BUT I DO NOW.
IT'S MIGHTY DANGEROUS, BUT I CAN'T UNDERSTAND HOW VDOT WILL KEEP LETTING LOCALITIES PUT IN WHAT THEY PUT IN ZONE, WHAT THEY ZONE. IF YOU RIDE A FOUR 60 TOWARD PETERSBURG NOW THERE'S FOLKS STARTED BUILDING HOMES OFF THE SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY WHEN YOU GOT 60 MILE AN HOUR TRAFFIC AND MAILBOXES, THE TWO DO NOT GO TOGETHER.
OTHER COUNTRIES, OTHER STATES WILL HAVE BORDER ROADS TO USE.
INSTEAD OF THIS, I FEEL AS IF A TRUCK TERMINAL IS NOT WHAT WE NEED THERE.
NO HOUSES ARE MORE EXPENSIVE FOR THE COUNTY, SO IT'S DURING IF YOU DO AND DURING IF YOU DON'T.
AND WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE? BEING A FARMER, OF COURSE I'D LIKE TO SEE IT STAY AGRICULTURAL.
MR. GILLETTE MY MOTHER'S NAME, MAIDEN NAME WAS GILLETTE.
MY GRANDFATHER, HER FATHER PARENTS ARE BURIED ON THIS CUTCHINS FARM.
MAJOR JOSEPH E GILLETTE, I'M A DIRECT DESCENDANT OF HIM.
THE GILLETTE ESTATE WAS HUGE AT ONE TIME BACK IN THE EARLY 1800S.
MATTER OF FACT, IT STRETCHED ALL THE WAY TO FRANKLIN HIGH SCHOOL.
AND WHERE THE WHERE THE HOSPITAL SITS ON.
NOW, IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
BEHIND THE HIGH SCHOOL IN FRANKLIN IS A GILLETTE CIRCLE BACK THERE.
IT'S NAMED THAT REASON WAY FOR A REASON.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING ON WHAT'S LEFT ON THE CUTCHINS FARM.
AND THOUGH IT'S BEEN OUT OF MY FAMILY FOR A LONG TIME, I DO HAVE PEOPLE BURIED THERE.
AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHO'S AROUND IT.
AND I RECKON I WOULD HAVE TO SAY I'M LIKE MR. DODD, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT STAY IN AGRICULTURE.
BUT ANYWAY, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR LISTENING AND CARRY ON.
IF I CAN DO ANYTHING TO HELP YOU ALL, LET ME KNOW.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.
YEAH. YOU GOT A FEW MINUTES LEFT.
MAYBE 5 OR 6 YEARS AGO COMPLIED WITH MY REQUEST AND PASSED A RESOLUTION AND SENT IT TO THE GOVERNOR OF THE STATE OF VIRGINIA AND TO OUR TWO SENATORS AT SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY DOES NOT WANT TO BE A SANCTUARY PLACE.
BUT WE ARE OFFICIALLY ON RECORD AS NOT WELCOMING ILLEGAL ALIENS.
ALL RIGHT, WHO'S NEXT? WE GOT PLENTY OF TIME.
COLLEEN FLICK. I LIVE ON SADDLER ROAD IN SOUTH HAMPTON COUNTY, AND I RECENTLY LEARNED ABOUT THE CHINA COUNTRY PURCHASING THAT LAND.
I FOUND IT VERY INTERESTING THAT THEY PURCHASED IT JUST A FEW DAYS BEFORE OUR GOVERNOR ACTUALLY PUT IN A LAW THAT STATED THAT NO LAND WOULD BE SOLD TO FOREIGN ENTITIES.
I ALSO THINK THAT I HEAR HOUSES AGRICULTURE, BUT IT'S ALREADY BEEN ZONED LIGHT INDUSTRY, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THAT WAS ALREADY VOTED ON.
SO I DON'T KNOW EVEN WHO OWNS THAT PROPERTY.
I DON'T I WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.
WHEN IT DID GET VOTED IN NINE YEARS AGO.
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AND I JUST WANTED TO ENCOURAGE EVERYONE ABOUT THAT.AND I DON'T LIKE I SAID, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO, BUT WE NEED TO PAY ATTENTION.
THANK YOU. OKAY, WHO'S NEXT? WE? HELLO MY NAME IS JANE REDDICK FREEZE! I LIVE AT 303 ONE NINE CAMP PARKWAY.
I, I THINK EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE PROJECT ON CAMP PARKWAY.
BUT THE ONLY THING THAT I'M GOING TO SAY AT THIS POINT IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS IN THE PROCESS OF GOING THROUGH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PLANNING THING.
AND THEN IN ALL OF THE COMMUNITIES.
AND OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS LIKE THE GUIDE FOR WHERE WE'RE HEADED AS A COMMUNITY.
AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR ALL OF US AS CITIZENS TO BE INVOLVED AND BE ON THE SAME PAGE AS TO WHAT WE WANT OUR FUTURE TO BE IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY.
SO I THINK MOST OF US PROBABLY LIVE HERE BECAUSE WE LOVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE.
IF WE WANTED SUFFOLK, WE WOULD GO TO SUFFOLK.
I JUST DROVE FROM SUFFOLK TODAY AND I DON'T WANT TO LIVE LIKE THAT.
AND IT'S CRAZY GOING DOWN HAMBURGER ALLEY AND I JUST FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO AS A COMMUNITY, FRANKLIN AND SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY REALLY TAKE A LOT OF TIME AND GET AS MANY CITIZENS INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS ABOUT WHERE WE ARE HEADED, NOT ONLY IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, BUT IN THE NEXT 50 YEARS.
AND WHAT WE WANT DO WE WANT INDUSTRIAL PARKS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS? DO WE WANT TRAFFIC AND TRACTOR TRAILERS EVERYWHERE SO THAT WE FEEL UNSAFE? THIS IS A BIG DEAL.
AND IF CITIZENS ARE INVOLVED AND CITIZENS DO COME TO THESE MEETINGS AND CITIZENS DO GIVE THEIR INPUT, THEN IT'S UPON THE LEADERSHIP, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO ALSO SUPPORT THAT.
BUT IN 2016, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED TO THE 2016 BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO NOT REZONE THAT PROPERTY AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WENT AGAINST THEIR PLANNING COMMISSION IN 2016.
IT WASN'T THIS BOARD, IT WAS THE 2016 BOARD.
SO EVERYBODY KIND OF NEEDS TO WORK TOGETHER AND HAVE EACH OTHER'S BACK AND LISTEN TO THE CITIZENS AND WE ALL KIND OF GET ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT THE FUTURE OF OUR AREA.
AND WE'RE DISTRIBUTING THAT EVERYWHERE WE CAN.
I WOULD URGE EVERYBODY TO READ IT.
AND IT SAYS, WHERE HAVE WE BEEN, WHERE WE ARE NOW AND WHERE WE WANT TO BE FIVE YEARS FROM NOW? SO WE HAVE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION ALL THOSE SITUATIONS IN THE COUNTY.
WHAT WE WANT TO DO, WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO.
SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU READ IT.
THERE WILL BE TOWN MEETINGS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
MRS LEWIS CAN TELL YOU MORE ABOUT THAT IF NEEDED.
AND WE HAVE THE CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HERE, MR. DRAKE, TONIGHT. YOU CAN TALK WITH HIM.
AND WE DO THIS EVERY FIVE YEARS.
AND SO WE WANT THE INPUT FROM THE CITIZENS.
AND I WOULD ADVISE YOU TO GET A HOLD OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT, WE CAN FIND ONE FOR YOU AND READ IT AND COME TO THE MEETINGS.
OKAY. WHO'S NEXT? HI, MY NAME IS LISA CLINTON AND I LIVE AT 30400 CAMP PARKWAY.
WE'VE ALL BEEN WORKING TOGETHER TO TRY TO FIGHT THIS SINCE IT STARTED IN 2015, 2016.
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SO I JUST WANTED MY NAME ON THE RECORD AS A PERSON WHO'S OPPOSED TO THE PROJECT AS WELL.ALL RIGHT, WHO'S NEXT? GOT PLENTY OF TIME.
IF YOU LOOK AT NUMBER NINE ON THE AGENDA.
CAMP PARKWAY PROPERTY REQUEST, THAT WILL BE THE TIME WHERE YOU'LL HEAR WHAT THE BOARD THINKS ABOUT IT AND WHAT THE BOARD IS DOING. WE'VE BEEN QUITE ACTIVE IN THAT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU TONIGHT.
AND I WOULD SAY WE USUALLY DON'T ALLOW COMMENT, BUT IF WHEN WE GET INTO THAT, IF YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE A SHORT COMMENT, WE CERTAINLY WILL ALLOW IT, BECAUSE THIS IS A VERY CONTROVERSIAL, IMPORTANT ISSUE.
ANYBODY ELSE BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, SIR. YOU SAID THIS LATER.
WHAT YOU WILL SHARE TONIGHT, WILL IT ADDRESS.
WHAT CAN THE PLANNING COMMITTEE WITH THE RESTRICTIONS THERE? WOULD IT STOP ANY OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT THAT MAY HAPPEN? WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
OKAY, THAT'S FINE. ANYBODY ELSE BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
I DIDN'T DO WHAT YOU USUALLY DO.
I'M HAVING THIS THOUGHT IN CASE WE FORGET.
ANYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT. LAST CALL.
CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
NEXT IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
[2. Approval of Minutes]
WE HAVE SEVERAL.NUMBER ONE IS JULY 19TH, 2023 SPECIAL CALLED MEETING MINUTES.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES? DELETIONS. MOTION TO APPROVE.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THE MOTION TO APPROVE? SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
AYE. OKAY. THOSE ARE APPROVED JULY 25TH, OUR REGULAR MEETING.
UH, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES, DELETIONS OR ANYTHING THERE THAT WE NEED TO GO OVER? MOTION TO APPROVE. MOTION TO APPROVE.
SECOND IT. IS THERE A SECOND? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE ON TO NUMBER THREE.
[3 . Proclamation]
I MIGHT SAY IF MISS MILTEER HERE.THERE YOU ARE. YOU CAN COME ON UP FRONT.
I'M GOING DOWN THERE IN A MINUTE.
THIS MISS MILTEER, WHO IS HERE ON BEHALF OF THE DAUGHTERS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION, THE DAR.
SO I'M GOING TO COME DOWN AND READ THAT FOR EVERYBODY.
WELCOME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ORGANIZATION STANDING UP FOR THE CONSTITUTION, MR. PROCLAMATION. WHEREAS SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2023, MARKS THE 236TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE DRAFTING OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA BY THE CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION.
AND. WHEREAS, IT IS FITTING AND PROPER TO ACCORD OFFICIAL RECOGNITION, THIS MAGNIFICENT DOCUMENT AND ITS MEMORABLE ANNIVERSARY, AND TO THE PATRIOTIC CELEBRATIONS WHICH WILL COMMEMORATE THIS OCCASION.
AND WHEREAS PUBLIC LAW 915 GUARANTEES THE ISSUING OF A PROCLAMATION EACH YEAR BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA DESIGNATING SEPTEMBER 17TH TO SEPTEMBER 23RD AS CONSTITUTION WEEK.
NOW, THEREFORE, BY VIRTUE OF THE AUTHORITY VESTED IN ME AS CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THAT WEEK OF SEPTEMBER 17TH TO THE 23RD AS CONSTITUTION WEEK.
AND I'D LIKE TO ASK OUR CITIZENS TO REAFFIRM THE IDEAS THAT THE FRAMERS OF THE CONSTITUTION HAD IN 1787 BY VIGILANT PROTECTING THE FREEDOMS GUARANTEED TO US THROUGH THIS THIS GUARANTEE OF OUR LIBERTIES, REMEMBERING THAT LOST RIGHTS WOULD NEVER MAY BE REGAINED.
I'LL READ THAT AGAIN. LOST RIGHTS MAY NEVER BE REGAINED.
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AND I'D LIKE TO PRESENT THIS TO YOU.OKAY, SO NOW I DON'T WANT TO SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION.
OUR COUNTRY, INCLUDING OUR UNIVERSITIES AND COLLEGES WITH INUNDATED BY MARXIST IDEOLOGY.
WHOSE SOLE AMBITION WAS TO DESTROY OUR CONSTITUTION.
THAT'S STILL THERE. A LOT OF OUR CORPORATIONS SELLING OF SOME OF OUR BEST UNIVERSITIES AND COLLEGE AND THEIR MISSION IS STILL TO DESTROY OUR CONSTITUTION. EVERYBODY NEEDS TO REMEMBER THAT.
BUT I THINK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE, MOST PEOPLE IN AMERICA NOW ARE BEGINNING TO REALIZE THAT PEOPLE ARE REACTING TO THAT AND PEOPLE REALIZE WHAT'S GOING ON UNDER THE COVER THERE.
OUR CONSTITUTION IS NOT PERFECT.
BUT I TELL YOU, IT'S FAR BETTER THAN ANYTHING ELSE WE HAVE ON THIS PLANET.
[APPLAUSE] OKAY. NUMBER FOUR, HIGHWAY MATTERS.
[4. Highway Matters of Concern]
ANYBODY HAVE ANY HIGHWAY MATTERS? YEAH. I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK INTO THE JONAS BRIDGE PROBLEM.SO WE'LL GET UP WITH THE NEW VDOT GUY AND TALK TO HIM AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT IT. THAT'S CORRECT.
WELL, MOST OF THOSE CONCERNS WERE VDOT MATTERS SO WE'LL WE'LL GET WITH VDOT ON THOSE.
OKAY. WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH HIM ON THAT.
ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? ONE THING I WANTED TO BRING UP.
I GOT A GOOD GROCERIES ONCE A WEEK ON SUNDAYS, USUALLY AND THE LAST TWO MONTHS, I'VE PERSONALLY WITNESSED 18 WHEELERS RUNNING THE STOPLIGHT THERE AT STORY STATION.
THERE WAS ONE INCIDENT WHERE A CAR WAS IN FRONT OF ME AND HE CAME WITHIN 3 OR 4IN OF GETTING CREAMED, AND HE WAS SO UPSET HE TURNED INTO THE FILLING STATION THERE AND I PULLED IN BEHIND HIM.
AND HE WAS SITTING THERE SHAKING AND HAD THREE KIDS IN THE BACK SEAT.
AND WE HAVE ASKED VDOT TO LOOK AT THIS ABOUT HAVING A CAMERA THERE.
I THINK IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR OUR SHERIFF TO MONITOR THAT ALL THE TIME.
I'LL KNOW THEY DO AS MUCH AS THEY CAN.
I'D LIKE TO REQUEST THAT THEY PULL TRUCKS AS WELL AS CARS.
EDWARDS IN REQUESTING THAT BECAUSE THE OTHER DAY I WAS COMING THROUGH AND WHILE I WAS COMING OUT FROM FOOD LION AND THIS TRUCK WENT THROUGH, THE TRUCK WAS FINE, BUT THERE WAS A CAR FOLLOWING THE TRUCK SO CLOSE THAT HE COULDN'T SEE THE LIGHT.
AND WHEN THE CAR WENT THROUGH, HE DEFINITELY THROUGH WENT THROUGH THE RED LIGHT.
SO IF A CAMERA WOULD, THERE WOULD BE I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
IT'S LIKE EVERYBODY I'D LIKE TO HAVE VDOT AND WHOMEVER ELSE IS NECESSARY TO TAKE A LOOK AT 460 JUST WEST OF THE STOPLIGHT THERE IN ARBOR, DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE RESCUE SQUAD BUILDING THERE, AND SEE WHAT'S NECESSARY TO DO A TRAFFIC STUDY OR WHATEVER ELSE AGAIN, IS NECESSARY TO POTENTIALLY PUT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL THERE AS WELL.
THE RESCUE SQUAD CAN GET OUT THE PARKING LOT.
DUE TO TRAFFIC IN MANY INSTANCES.
YOU BECOME SO HEAVY THAT THEY'RE COMPLETELY DISREGARDING THEIR EMERGENCY WARNING LIGHTS AND THEY'RE UNABLE TO GET OUT OF THE BUILDING HAVING THE MOST DIFFICULT TIME AGAIN.
HEADED WESTBOUND AGAINST TRAFFIC SO THEY CAN LOOK AT THAT FOR US, I THINK.
ANYTHING ELSE IN THE LONG TERM.
THANK YOU, MR. THROWER. I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT ENOUGH.
YOU ASKED VDOT TO COME TO OUR NEXT MEETING AND SEE WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT THAT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO MONTHLY REPORTS.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT A IS THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR REPORT SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MR.
[5. Monthly Reports]
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THROWER. YES, HONORABLE BOARD MEMBERS DO HAVE A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT.UH, STREAMLINE THE AGENDA A LITTLE BIT AND CONSOLIDATE THINGS UNDER THAT.
COURTHOUSE RENOVATION PROJECT.
THE TOTAL CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT, INCLUDING CHANGE ORDERS, NOW STANDS AT $23,371,464.14.
A COPY OF THE LATEST CERTIFIED PAY APPLICATION IS ATTACHED.
THE NEWSOME CDBG PROJECT, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MONTHLY MANAGEMENT TEAM MEETINGS.
WE HAD OUR LAST ONE WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 9TH.
WORK IS COMPLETE ON 23200 AND 22402 THOMASTON ROAD, WHICH IS INCLUDED IN THE REHAB ROUND ONE.
WORK ON 22405 AND 22180 THOMASTON ROAD, WHICH IS IN THE REHAB.
ROUND TWO, WILL BE STARTING SOON.
WE'RE TRYING TO WORK ON SOME DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS NOW IN OBTAINING THOSE WITH PROPERTY OWNERS.
WE HAD A CLEAN UP LAST FALL, AS YOU KNOW.
WE WERE AWARDED $50,000 IN A GRANT THROUGH VEDP TO COVER SOME ADDITIONAL EXPENSES WITH DEMO OF THE FORMER SCHOOL BUILDING IN THAT AREA.
I DID SIGN THE PERFORMANCE AGREEMENT AND ACTUALLY HAVE SIGNED THE DEMO CONTRACT WITH BAXTER BROTHERS, SO THEY SHOULD BE STARTING ON THAT ANY TIME NOW. THE EDGEHILL [INAUDIBLE] PROJECT.
BUT THAT PROJECT IS GOING VERY SMOOTHLY.
I SIGNED THE CONTRACT WITH TRI-STATE UTILITIES TO DO THE WORK ON JULY 18TH.
THE BOYKIN SEWER REPAIR PROJECT, JAMIE WITH KIM KIMLEY-HORN IS ALSO MANAGING THE PROJECT AND WE'RE ALSO USING OUR ARPA FUNDING FOR THAT PROJECT. THE INTENT IS TO REPAIR SEWER LINES ON MAIN STREET AND.
THE CONTRACT WITH TRI-STATE UTILITIES WAS SIGNED AUGUST 15TH.
SO BOTH PROJECTS ARE GOING ALONG VERY SMOOTHLY.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE VERY, VERY PLEASED WITH KIMBERLY HORN'S WORK ON THIS PROJECT.
UM, THEY WERE HERE AT YOUR FEBRUARY 28TH MEETING AS WELL AS YOUR JUNE 27TH MEETING.
WE DID ISSUE THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS.
A PRE-BID MEETING WITH THE VENDORS WAS HELD ON AUGUST 16TH.
PROPOSALS ARE DUE BY OCTOBER 20TH.
THE EVALUATION COMMITTEE AND CTA WILL THEN EVALUATE PROPOSALS OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS.
CTA ANTICIPATES THE CITY AND THE COUNTY SIGNING A CONTRACT WITH A VENDOR IN MAY OF 24 AND AGAIN IMPLEMENTATION IS EXPECTED TO COMMENCE IN JUNE OF 24 AND LAST NEARLY TWO YEARS, AND END IN MARCH OF 26.
FINANCE, LYNETTE AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON FINANCIAL POLICY GUIDELINES WITH DAVENPORT AND COMPANY, AS WELL AS LOOKING AT OUR DEBT CAPACITY FOR FUTURE CAPITAL PROJECTS.
AND WE DO ANTICIPATE DISCUSSING THOSE ITEMS WITH YOU IN THE NEAR FUTURE, MOST LIKELY NEXT MONTH.
SO THAT WILL BE ON YOUR RADAR SCREEN.
I'VE GOTTEN A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS HERE RECENTLY.
UH, THROUGH THAT PROGRAM, THEY DID APPLY.
THERE WAS NOTHING THE COUNTY HAD TO PRE-APPROVE.
THEY APPLIED FOR THAT THEMSELVES.
DAVENPORT AND COMPANY IS HELPING US WITH THE LOGISTICS OF THE PROGRAM.
WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIND OUT THE DETAILS OF HOW THAT WORKS.
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REGARDING THE DEADLINE TO ACCEPT GRANT DOLLARS AS WELL AS THE PROCESS FOR ACCEPTING.AND THAT INDIVIDUAL PROVIDED THE FOLLOWING RESPONSE ON AUGUST 9TH OF 2023.
BUT AS THE CASH IS NOW IN A NON REVERTING STATUTORY FUND, WE WILL BE REQUESTING AN APPROPRIATION FOR THE 24 THROUGH 26 BUDGET PERIOD, WHICH ENDS JUNE 30TH OF 26.
OUR GUIDANCE IS THROUGH JUNE 30TH OF 26.
TODAY, INSTRUCTIONS WILL GO OUT AND THAT WAS ON AUGUST 9TH TO THE AWARDED SCHOOL DIVISIONS ON THE ONLINE PROCESS TO SUBMIT FUND DRAW DOWNS FOR THEIR CPAC GRANT FUNDS. SO THERE IS IF YOU CAN INTERPRET THAT LANGUAGE, WHICH IS SOMEWHAT DIFFICULT TO INTERPRET, IT DOES LOOK LIKE WE HAVE A COUPLE OF YEARS AT LEAST TO START WORKING ON THAT PROJECT, IF THE BOARD SO CHOOSES, WHATEVER THAT PROJECT MAY OR MAY NOT LOOK LIKE.
I DID PROVIDE YOU THE GRANT APPLICATION THAT THEY DID SUBMIT.
THAT WAS A VERY I THINK THAT WAS ABOUT A 3 OR 4 PAGE GRANT APPLICATION.
BUT THAT'S YOU'VE GOT AS MUCH INFORMATION AS I GOT ON THAT PROGRAM RIGHT NOW.
ODU MOBILE CLINIC, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, WE ARE WORKING WITH ODU MOBILE CLINIC STAFF TO LOOK AT USING OUR PARKING LOT TO HOST MOBILE CLINIC EVENTS FOR OUR CITIZENS. SO THAT'S A GOOD PARTNERING OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE MEDICAL SERVICES FOR SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY RESIDENTS.
UM, AND ON HUMAN RESOURCES AND PERSONNEL, WE'VE DEVELOPED A NEW EMPLOYMENT APPLICATION THAT'S ON OUR WEBSITE AND I'M WORKING WITH DEPARTMENT HEADS, CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS ON A SUPERVISORY TRAINING SESSION HERE NEXT MONTH THROUGH AND THAT'S FREE OF CHARGE THROUGH VIRGINIA RISK SHARING ASSOCIATION AS PART OF OUR INSURANCE PACKAGE.
SO THAT'S A NICE COMPLIMENT TO OUR HUMAN RESOURCES ACTIVITIES.
IN TERMS OF PERSONNEL REPORT, THAT'S STILL INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKAGE AS AN ATTACHMENT AND I'LL JUST GO THROUGH THAT PERSONNEL CHANGES.
CAROL SMITH IS A NEW EMPLOYEE AND ONE, TWO, THREE, FIVE IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
RAYVON HODGE, ERIC CARTER, MALCOLM HEDGEPETH, JOSHUA JOHNSON AND JEREMIAH TAYLOR.
WE HAD SEVERAL EMPLOYEE RECLASSIFICATIONS ALL IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
MICHAEL VANDERFORD, MATTHEW KLEIN, BENJAMIN MADISON, LUNDY SADLER, BENJAMIN GRIZZARD, JOSHUA WALTERS AND THREE EMPLOYEES SEPARATE ROBERT EPPS IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, LARISSA TYLER IN THE TREASURER'S OFFICE AND CHRISTY GRANT AND UTILITIES AND ONE COUNT BOARD ADJUSTMENT, MIKHAIL TURNER IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
THANK YOU, SIR. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WE'LL MOVE ON.
I'M GOING TO GO DOWN THE LIST TO STOP ME IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING ON THE FINANCIAL REPORT.
[6. Financial Matters]
TREASURER'S REPORT.CINDY, I'M SURE YOU WANT TO GIVE US A FOLLOW UP.
YEAH, I'M SURE YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM ME AGAIN TONIGHT.
I DO WANT TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE COLLECTIONS.
AS FAR AS REAL ESTATE, LAST MONTH WE WERE AT 99.74%.
WE'RE CURRENTLY AT 99.75% WITH AN OUTSTANDING BALANCE OF $481,817.57. AS FAR AS PERSONAL PROPERTY, LAST MONTH WE WERE AT 96.35%. THIS MONTH WE'RE AT 96.57%.
OUTSTANDING BALANCE OF $1,854,126.88.
THE SOLID WASTE, LAST MONTH WE WERE AT 77.79%.
WE'RE CURRENTLY AT 78.18% AND WE HAVE UNCOLLECTED BALANCE OF $2,984,128.92. LIKE.
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ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. THANK YOU.OKAY. I'LL GO ON DOWN THE LIST.
OKAY. WE'LL GO ON TO NUMBER SIX.
NUMBER SIX IS FINANCIAL MATTERS.
FIRST ONE IS THE MONTHLY BILLS.
ANYBODY ON THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY ITEMS ON THE MONTHLY BILLS? I'VE GOT ONE ON PAGE TWO.
CAN YOU READ MY WRITING? I THINK IT'S SOUTHEAST RURAL COMMUNITY.
WE DONATED 4500 FOR LAST YEAR AND AGAIN FOR THIS YEAR.
WHAT DO WE GET FROM THAT? WHAT IS IT? SOUTHEAST. IS THAT SIR CAT? IS THAT SIR? CAT? I THINK SO.
YOU SAID PAGE TWO 5695 IS THE ITEM NUMBER.
IT'S A NON PROFIT FOR LOW INCOME TWO PEOPLE TO PROVIDE WATER AND SEWER TO CITIZENS IN RURAL TOWNS.
SO THEY WORK WITH OUR COUNTY THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD.
THERE WAS ONE OF MY APPROVED IN FISCAL YEAR 23 AND THERE WAS ONE OF MY APPROVED FOR FISCAL YEAR 24.
BUT THEY WITH OUR NEWSOME'S PROJECT, THEY DO A LOT OF WORK IN THAT AND HELPING MAKE SURE PEOPLE HAVE SUITABLE DRINKING WATER AND SEWAGE, PROPER HOOKUPS TO THEIR HOMES.
AND THEY WORK MAINLY WITH LOWER INCOME PEOPLE.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE CONTRIBUTIONS THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS.
AND ON PAGE 23, I NOTICED WE HIRED TIMMONS.
WHAT DID THEY DO? 23. I DON'T HAVE A 23.
CAN YOU LOOK AT THE TOP OF YOUR NUMBER? EIGHT? TWO, TWO, ONE.
THEY'VE BEEN HELPING THE COUNTY WITH THAT AND THEY DO EXCELLENT WORK.
THEY HAVE HISTORICALLY HELPED US WITH THAT.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN CERTIFICATIONS TO DO IT.
THEY ARE FULLY AWARE OF WHAT IS REQUIRED IN THIS COUNTY.
I CANNOT FIND IT IN IN THIS SHEET.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR ACCOUNTS.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND IT'S IT'S THE SECOND SET OF BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ACCOUNTS PAYABLE PAGES.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO COME UP WITH TO WHERE IT SAYS BRANCH FULL BOYKINS GROUNDWATER WITHDRAWAL PERMIT.
SO YES, WE PAID THEM $1,650 FOR THAT.
AND THEN I ALSO SEE WE PAID $625 FOR THE TURNER TRACT, AND THAT WAS GROUNDWATER WITHDRAWAL PERMITS TO IN ORDER TO TAKE WATER OUT OF THE GROUND, WE HAVE TO HAVE THE PROPER PERMITS.
ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, THEN. IF NOT, WE NEED A MOTION TO PAY THE BILLS.
ALL RIGHT. WE GOT TO PAY THE BILLS.
YEAR END 23 APPROPRIATION RESOLUTION.
MS. [INAUDIBLE] I'M GOING TO ASK YOU IF YOU WOULD GO THROUGH THAT FOR US, PLEASE.
ABSOLUTELY. ATTACHED IS THE YEAR END FISCAL YEAR 23 APPROPRIATION RESOLUTION, WHICH PROVIDES A TOTAL APPROPRIATION OF $17,084,895.46. THE APPROPRIATION IS LARGELY A HOUSEKEEPING MEASURE, REALLOCATING FUNDS AMONG VARIOUS LINE ITEMS WITHIN DEPARTMENT BUDGETS WITH LITTLE OVERALL BUDGETARY IMPACT.
THE REVENUES HAVE BEEN RECEIVED FROM THE SOURCES INDICATED IN THE RESOLUTION.
THE APPROPRIATION INCLUDES $1,671,456.16 FOR THE GENERAL FUND,
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1,513,000 OF FUNDS FOR THE FUND.$2,227,959.80 FOR THE SCHOOL FUND.
$605,182.80 FOR THE SCHOOL FOOD SERVICE FUND.
10,000 10,900,490 2070 CENTS FOR THE BUILDING FUND.
$11,454 FOR THE ENTERPRISE FUND.
$8,350 FOR THE SPECIAL WELFARE FUND.
$130,000 FOR THE BLACKWATER REGIONAL LIBRARY FUND.
2000 FOR THE CANTEEN FUND AND 15,000 FOR THE INMATE ENTERPRISE FUND.
THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF NEW MONEY OR EXPENDITURES BEYOND WHAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL ADOPTED BUDGET OF MAY 2022 THAT SHOULD READ.
IS $66,736.34, AND THAT AMOUNT IS THE AMOUNT OF DEBT SERVICE THAT WAS INCREASED DUE TO CHANGES AT THE TIME OF THE BOND CLOSING.
AT THE TIME OF THE FISCAL YEAR 23 BUDGET ADOPTION ONLY ESTIMATED DEBT SERVICE WAS AVAILABLE.
THE AMOUNT OF CARRYOVER FUNDS FOR THE COMMONWEALTH'S ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS $320, AND AN ITEMIZED LIST OF THE NEW MONEY ITEMS APPEARS WITHIN THE RESOLUTION. THANK YOU.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? AND I WILL LET YOU KNOW THAT WHEN I SAY IT'S MAINLY A BOOKKEEPING ISSUE AND IT'S A YEAR AT YEAR END, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE BEFORE THE AUDITORS COME THAT ALL OF THE APPROPRIATIONS, THE BUDGET, PLUS ANY APPROPRIATIONS DURING THE YEAR EQUAL OR EXCEED ANY EXPENDITURES THAT COME UP.
ONCE THOSE NUMBERS HAVE COME IN AND WE HAVE POSTED ACCOUNTS RECEIVABLES FOR ADDITIONAL MONEY THAT CAME IN AFTER JUNE 30TH, WE HAVE TO LEAVE THE BOOKS OPEN FOR 45 DAYS AND PLENTY OF MONEY CAME IN TO COVER THE ITEMS NEEDED. BUT AT THE TIME WHEN I DO APPROPRIATIONS, I DON'T ALWAYS KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE MONEY THAT IS GOING TO BE COMING IN IN THE FUTURE IS DURING THAT 45 DAY PERIOD.
OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPROPRIATION RESOLUTION.
SO MOVE. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE? AYE. AYE. OKAY. IT'S UNANIMOUS.
WE'LL GO ON TO NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH IS THE ONLY PUBLIC HEARING WE HAVE TONIGHT.
[7. Public Hearing - Personal Property Tax Relief Rate Ordinance - Request to Adopt]
FOR STATE CODE 50 8.1-35224.EACH LOCAL GOVERNING BODY IS REQUIRED TO SET ITS PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RELIEF RATE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS PER NUMBERS PROVIDED BY MISS AMY CARR, WHOSE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE, PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RELIEF SHALL BE GRANTED AT THE RATE OF 29% FOR THE FIRST 20,000 OF VEHICLE PERSONAL VEHICLE USE VALUE AND AT THE RATE OF 100% FOR PERSONAL USE, VEHICLE VALUES LESS THAN $1,000.
ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DO IT, JUST HAVE TO TALK ABOUT RELIEF OR CAN WE TALK ABOUT PERSONAL PROPERTY? YES. OKAY.
THE TREASURER'S REPORT TONIGHT SAID THERE ARE $481,800 IN UNPAID REAL ESTATE TAXES.
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2.9 MILLION IN UNPAID SOLID WASTE AND 1,854,000IN UNPAID PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES.SO WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT RELIEF OF PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES WHEN WE GOT ALMOST $2 MILLION OUTSTANDING IN UNPAID PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES? THAT'S MY QUESTION.
THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON THAT.
IT'S AMY HERE. I DON'T SEE HER.
OKAY. SO THERE IS MONEY THAT THE STATE OF VIRGINIA GIVES EACH LOCALITY AT, AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR US, I BELIEVE, IS $2.4 MILLION.
SO THAT RELIEF THAT IS COMING IS BASED ON THE PERSONAL PROPERTY THAT INDIVIDUALS.
OH, AND IT HAS TO MEET CERTAIN CRITERIA AND IT HAS TO BE IN CERTAIN CLASS CODES.
SO THIS IS FIXING THAT NUMBER THAT THE STATE WILL PAY THE COUNTY TO HELP RELIEVE THE BURDEN ON THE TAXPAYER.
SO IT IS NOT MONEY THAT IS COMING OUT OF THE LOCALITIES POCKET.
DOES IT RELIEVE THE BURDEN ON THE PEOPLE THAT HAVEN'T PAID THEIR TAXES OR DOES IT RELIEVE THE BURDEN ON ME AND I'VE PAID MY TAXES? YOU HAVE TO PAY YOUR TAX IN ORDER TO RECEIVE THE RELIEF.
ANYBODY ELSE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS ISSUE? LAST CALL FOR ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
ALL RIGHT. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANY DISCUSSION AMONG THE BOARD? I RECOMMEND THAT WE ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE.
OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADOPT THE ATTACHED ORDINANCE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
THE OTHER ONE IS NUMBER EIGHT.
CORRESPONDENTS, ANYBODY HAVE ANY ISSUES OR DISCUSSION ON THE CORRESPONDENCE THAT'S IN YOUR AGENDA? IF NOT, WE'LL GO TO NUMBER NINE CAMP PARKWAY PROPERTY.
[9. Camp Parkway Property]
WE WANTED TO GET THIS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT SO THAT THE CITIZENS OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY WOULD KNOW WHERE THEIR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS STOOD ON THIS MATTER WITHOUT ANY QUESTION.I WAS SITTING IN MY OFFICE ON A MONDAY A WEEK AGO.
MY SECRETARY CAME BACK AND SAID, THE PENTAGON WANTS TO TALK TO YOU.
WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER TO GET UP AND RUN OR HIDE OR WHAT, BUT I TALKED TO HIM.
I'VE TALKED WITH HIM SEVERAL TIMES.
SO TONIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO FILL YOU IN WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS SITUATION? BRIAN, DO YOU WANT TO START? SURE. YEAH.
SO CHAIRMAN EDWARDS GAVE GAVE THE BOARD A GOOD OVERVIEW OF WHAT'S OCCURRED.
CHAIRMAN EDWARDS DID PASS ALONG THIS DAN BURKE'S PHONE NUMBER.
I LEFT A MESSAGE ON HIS CELL PHONE.
I SENT YOU ALL AN EMAIL AND BASICALLY WAS CONTACTED BY THIS INDIVIDUAL.
HE'S WITH THE AIR FORCE OFFICE OF SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS AND HE IS INVESTIGATING THE TRANSACTION OF THE RECENT LAND SALE BETWEEN THE TWO PRIVATE PARTIES INVOLVED.
AND I'VE NEVER PERSONALLY HAVE EVEN HEARD OF THIS FOR, HE SAYS, FOR TRANSACTIONS SUCH AS THIS, HE SAYS THE FOREIGN OWNED COMPANY OR THE ATTORNEYS OR WHOEVER ARE INVOLVED WITH THE TRANSACTION SHOULD FILE SOME KIND OF NOTICE OR APPLICATION WITH THE COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN INVESTMENT IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. SORRY, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU THROUGH YOUR MICROPHONE.
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RISK. AND GIVEN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY'S LOCATION AND MILITARY FACILITIES IN HAMPTON ROADS, HE OR HIS OFFICE INVESTIGATES THIS TYPE OF STUFF. AND IF THE TRANSACTION OR COMPANY IS DETERMINED TO BE A NATIONAL SECURITY RISK, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT COULD, WHATEVER THEY DO, UNWIND THE TRANSACTION, WHATEVER THAT ENTAILS.SO THAT'S THAT'S ABOUT ALL I KNOW.
AND JUST TO RECAP FOR EVERYBODY'S INFORMATION, AS YOU ALL ALL KNOW, THIS, THE ZONING WAS THE BOARD, THE ZONING CURRENT ZONING WAS PUT IN PLACE IN 2016. AND JUST TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT I THINK THIS IS GETTING MISSED IN TRANSLATION, THIS WAS A TRANSACTION BETWEEN TWO PRIVATE PARTIES.
LOCALITIES DO NOT REGULATE NOR DO THEY OVERSEE PRIVATE TRANSACTIONS BETWEEN PRIVATE PARTIES.
99% OF THE TIME THE LOCALITY DOES NOT KNOW A TRANSACTION HAS OCCURRED.
SO THAT'S NOT THE ROLE OF THE LOCALITY.
THE ONLY THING THAT THE LOCALITY CONTROLS IS ZONING THAT SEVERAL OF YOU ALL HAVE DISCUSSED TONIGHT.
SO ANYWAY, I PASSED THAT ALONG.
I THINK MR. SUPERVISOR GILLETTE HAS GOT SOME MORE INFORMATION THAT HE PUT AT YOUR.
SEATS. I DID READ THROUGH SOME OF THIS A LITTLE EARLIER TODAY, AND IT DOES LOOK, AFTER READING THROUGH THIS, THE DAN BURKE ON THE PHONE, HE WAS JUST ON THE PHONE WITH HIM 10 OR 15 MINUTES.
FILING WITH THIS AGENCY IS VOLUNTARY.
SO APPARENTLY EVEN THAT PROCESS IS A VOLUNTARY PROCESS.
WILLIAM HART. WELL, THE WORD SHOULD GOT MY ATTENTION, SO I CALLED MR. BURKE TODAY AND I'LL READ YOU WHAT HE SENT ME.
HE SAID, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PHONE CALL EARLIER TO DISCUSS THE FOREIGN LAND ACQUISITION IN SOUTHAMPTON AHEAD OF WHAT WE DISCUSSED, PLEASE FIND THE ATTACHED DOCUMENTS FOR YOUR REVIEW. IT WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH MORE FIDELITY ON WHAT MY OFFICE DOES.
I WAS HOPING I WAS GOING TO GET THOSE TO SHARE WITH YOU SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED AND I ASK HIM WOULD HE PUT THEM IN AN EMAIL AND SENT THEM, SEND THEM DOWN HERE SO WE COULD RELAY THEM TO THE PUBLIC . HE SENT THESE TWO FORMS THAT MR. THROWER ADVISED OF.
ONE OF THEM IS A PLAYBOOK FOR FOREIGN INVESTMENT ASSESSMENTS.
PROXIMATE TO MILITARY EQUITIES.
AND THAT GOES BACK TO THAT WORD SHOULD.
THIS IS MY AND I LET HIM KNOW THAT I WAS SPEAKING FOR MYSELF.
WE HADN'T HAD A CHANCE TO MEET AS A BOARD TO GET A CONSENSUS ON THIS, BUT I WAS PERSONALLY VERY CONCERNED ABOUT NATIONAL SECURITY BEING THIS CLOSE TO OUR MILITARY BASES. AND I GUESS YOU ALL HAVE FOLLOWED WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON IN CUBA AND OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD REGARDING CHINA.
IT'S BEEN STATED IN HERE TONIGHT THEY'RE NOT OUR FRIEND.
THAT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS WITH THE NEWS TODAY.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER CBS OR THOSE STATIONS EVEN CARRIED IT, BUT THEY HAVE JOINED AN ALLIANCE WITH OTHER COUNTRIES SINCE OUR FOREIGN AID HAS BEEN GOING OVERSEAS TO A LOT OF THESE COUNTRIES.
AND RECENTLY THE STIPULATION HAS BEEN YOU WILL GET THIS FOREIGN AID IF YOU ACCEPT DEI.
UH, THIS IS VERY CONCERNING TO ME BECAUSE MORE PRESSURE IS BEING PUT ON THE UNITED STATES.
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AND FRANKLY, IT'S QUESTIONABLE WHETHER WE ARE PREPARED TO HANDLE IT OR NOT.SO WE DISCUSSED THAT WORD SHOULD, AND HE TOLD ME THAT IT WAS CERTAINLY NOT MANDATED IF THE WORD SHALL HAD BEEN IN THERE.
BUT HE DID OFFER SOME THINGS THAT WE COULD DO AND ONE OF THEM WAS REZONING.
AND MISS LEWIS CAN CORRECT ME IF I GET OFF BASE HERE OR GET.
BUT TONIGHT WE WANT TO ENTERTAIN THE IDEA OF RECOMMENDING BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A REZONING OF THIS PROPERTY.
AND THAT'S WELL WITHIN THE RIGHTS OF, AS I HAVE UNDERSTOOD IT FROM HIS OFFICE TODAY.
AND I THINK MISS LEWIS, IF I'M NOT SPEAKING OUT OF PLACE, HAS CONFIRMED THAT.
LEWIS EXPLAINED TODAY WAS UPON THIS.
AND I BELIEVE IT WOULD COME BACK HERE IN NOVEMBER.
SO. AND SHE MIGHT WANT TO ADDRESS THE PERMITTING.
THE MOVING OF DIRT WAS DISCUSSED.
AND. MR. BURKE INFORMED ME THAT ANY DELAY IN THAT WOULD CERTAINLY GET THE ATTENTION OF THE PEOPLE THAT ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY.
IF. THERE WAS A DELAY IN THAT.
AND I THINK SHE TOLD ME, MISS LEWIS TOLD ME TODAY THAT YOU WANT TO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT, MISS LEWIS? WELCOME. THANK YOU.
THE MOVING OF DIRT, AS I UNDERSTAND THIS LAND.
DISTURBING. SO TO GET A LAND DISTURBING PERMIT, THE PROPERTY OWNER NEEDS TO SUBMIT A COMPLETE SITE PLAN WHICH INCLUDES ALL THE UTILITIES, HOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE SERVED, AND INCLUDES ALL THE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS BOTH ON SITE AND OFF SITE, NEEDS TO INCLUDE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND EROSION CONTROL DURING CONSTRUCTION.
IT NEEDS TO INCLUDE WHERE BUILDINGS ARE, WHERE PARKING LOTS ARE, HOW BIG THE BUILDINGS ARE.
ALL THOSE THINGS ARE INCLUDED IN A SITE PLAN.
BY STATE LAW, WE HAVE TO SUBMIT ALL SITE PLANS TO VDOT FOR THEIR REVIEW.
SO BY IF SOMEONE WALKED IN TOMORROW MORNING WITH A COMPLETE SITE PLAN, WHICH WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I HAVE NOT SEEN AFTER BEING A PLANNER FOR OVER 30 YEARS IS AT BEST IT WOULD BE 45 DAYS BEFORE THEY COULD START MOVING DIRT BEFORE THEY COULD GET A LAND DISTURBING PERMIT.
THAT'S HOW LONG ALL THE REVIEW WOULD TAKE.
VDOT ALONE GETS 45 DAYS TO REVIEW PLANS THAT ARE SUBMITTED TO THEM.
SO IT'S IT'S YOU DON'T WALK IN AND WALK OUT WITH A LAND DISTURBING PERMIT.
SO IT'S NOT AN INSTANTANEOUS PROCESS.
SHOULD THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THEIR SEPTEMBER MEETING.
MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AND A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT THAT IN YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT.
THEY MAKE A DECISION THAT EVENING, IT WOULD MOVE FORWARD TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THE ONLY REASON WE DO THE PUBLIC HEARING IN OCTOBER FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND NOVEMBER FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAVING THEM A MONTH APART IS THE ADVERTISING REQUIREMENTS.
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IF YOU HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING THE SECOND THURSDAY IN OCTOBER TO HAVE IT HEARD AT THE OCTOBER BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING, YOU'D HAVE TO ADVERTISE BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.SO YOU MIGHT ADVERTISE FOR A MEETING AND YOU WOULDN'T.
THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WOULDN'T HAVE A RECOMMENDATION.
AND WE'RE KIND OF CONSTRAINED IN THAT THE NEWSPAPER ONLY PUBLISHES ONCE A WEEK, SO YOU HAVE TO ADVERTISE NO MORE THAN 21 DAYS, NO LESS THAN FIVE DAYS BEFORE THE MEETING. BUT WHEN THE NEWSPAPER ONLY PUBLISHES ON WEDNESDAYS, THERE'S ONLY CERTAIN DAYS YOU CAN ADVERTISE.
WE'RE GOING TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES.
I JUST WANTED TO GO. THANKS VERY MUCH FOR YOUR EXPLANATION.
THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS AN INDEPENDENT CHINESE COMPANY.
EVERYBODY NEEDS TO REALIZE THAT.
NUMBER TWO, THAT ZONING FOR THAT AREA IS ENTIRELY INAPPROPRIATE.
LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING THEY DO IN SUFFOLK.
WE'RE DEALING WITH ACTUALLY DEALING WITH TWO ISSUES HERE.
AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY NEED TO UNDERSTAND.
THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE CHANGE IT TO THE ZONING THAT IS IN NOW.
THE BOARD HAD A CHOICE THAT DAY OF WHAT THEY WOULD DO, AND THEY MADE THE DECISION THAT THEY CHANGED IT TO, WHICH WAS LEGITIMATE AND ON AND WITHIN THE BOARD'S RIGHT.
NOW WE'RE DEALING WITH A CHINESE COMPANY THAT ZONING AT THAT TIME WAS DONE WITHOUT ANY ANTICIPATION THAT SOMEBODY FROM CHINA WOULD BE INTERESTED IN IT.
SO TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION I THINK IS UNFAIR.
IT APPEARS TO ME THEY WANT THE LAND.
AND SO I AND I AGREE WITH WHAT DR.
ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO CHANGE IT TO THE POINT THAT IT COULD NOT BE SOLD TO A CHINESE COMPANY.
BUT AT THE TIME THAT THIS PARTICULAR ZONING WAS MADE, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ON THAT BOARD ANTICIPATED THAT A CHINESE COMPANY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN IT UNLESS DR.
EDWARDS HAD HER. I VOTED AGAINST IT.
I KNOW YOU VOTED AGAINST IT, BUT I WONDER IF IT HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH CHINA.
MY CONCERN IS WHAT TYPE OF LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS ARE WE GOING TO HAVE IF WE ZONE IT BACK? NOW, THEY DIDN'T BOUGHT IT. THEY DIDN'T PAID $11 MILLION FOR IT.
TOP DOLLAR, WAY MORE THAN WHAT IT'S WORTH IF WE ZONE IT FOR A USE THAT THEY HAVE NO USE FOR.
EDWARDS MENTIONED, THE CCP GOT A WHOLE LOT MORE MONEY THAN SADDAM COUNTY DOES, AND I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO DISCUSS, AND I'M SURE WE WILL, WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WITH OUR LEGAL COUNSEL PRESENT, WHAT TYPE OF LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS WE MAY POTENTIALLY FACE IF WE DO ZONE IT BACK TO SOME OF THE OTHER OPTIONS YOU ALL WERE FACED WITH IN 2016 WHEN YOU HAD THE CHOICES THAT YOU DID.
AND I MIGHT ADD THAT I THINK THAT WOULD BE CONGRUENT WITH THE GOVERNOR'S INITIATIVE TO FORBID SELLING AGRICULTURAL LAND TO THE CHINESE.
SO THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF IT IN MY MIND.
BUT THEY'VE ALREADY BOUGHT IT IN THIS CASE.
SO IT'S THERE. SO WHATEVER WE REZONE IT TO, THEY'RE STUCK WITH.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO WITH IT.
IF IF WE REZONE IT, THEY'RE STILL GOING TO OWN IT.
IT'S JUST GOING TO BE THEY'RE STILL GOING TO OWN IT.
IT'S JUST GOING TO BE REZONED TO WHATEVER WE REZONE IT AS.
IT'S GOING TO KEEP THEM FROM BUILDING WAREHOUSES.
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TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, THE GOVERNING BODY CAN INITIATE A ZONING OR REZONING REQUEST AND YOU COULD BY MOTION TONIGHT IF YOU SO CHOOSE.I'M NOT SAYING THERE ARE POTENTIAL RAMIFICATIONS LEGALLY.
YOU WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF THE COUNTY WERE SUED IF YOU REZONE THAT PROPERTY.
SO JUST DISCLOSURE, AS WE ALL KNOW THAT.
BUT ANYWAY, YOU CAN YOU CAN INITIATE THE GOVERNING BODY, CAN INITIATE A REZONING, AND YOU CAN INITIATE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, WHICH I THINK BETH LEWIS CAN TAKE YOU THROUGH ON WHAT YOU WOULD POSSIBLY WANT TO REZONE THAT PROPERTY TO AND AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO STATE THE FUTURE LAND USE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THAT AREA TO INCLUDE.
AND AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD ONLY.
BUT YOU CAN INITIATE THAT TONIGHT.
SO YOU DO STILL HAVE THAT CONTROL.
SUPERVISOR GILLETTE DID DID THE GENTLEMAN YOU SPOKE TO, MR. DAN BURKE, DID HE GIVE YOU ANY TIMELINE ON HIS INVESTIGATION OR HOW LONG THAT MAY OR MAY NOT TAKE? HE HAS NOT GOTTEN THE INFORMATION HE NEEDS TO PROPERLY INVESTIGATE IT AND ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.
BUT HE GAVE ME A PRETTY STRONG INDICATION THAT THEY WERE GOING TO INVESTIGATE IT, AND IT IS A POSSIBILITY.
I'M NOT GOING TO SAY IT HAPPENS, BUT IT IS A POSSIBILITY TO UNWIND THE WHOLE THING.
BUT THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE INVESTIGATION UP AT THE PENTAGON.
AND MAYBE TOMORROW HE'LL HE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH THOSE DATA POINTS THAT I'D ASK HIM.
WE HAD DISCUSSED THEM, AND I WON'T GO INTO THOSE.
IF HE WOULD SEND THEM BY EMAIL, HE SAID HE WOULD.
BUT IN THE PACKET PRESENTED WITH THAT DOCUMENTATION TO THE REST OF THE BOARD, IT INDICATES DAY 90 THE INVESTIGATION PERIOD AND ENDS IF THAT GIVES ANYBODY ANY TYPE OF IDEA.
SO THROUGH THE REVIEW INVESTIGATOR, ENGAGE, ASSESS, MITIGATE AND CONTROL THROUGH DAY 90.
IT INDICATES THAT THE INVESTIGATION WOULD END.
SO HE DID HE DID MAKE A COMMENT THAT.
THAT WOULD BACK THIS UP THAT HE SAID THAT USUALLY GETS THE COMPANY TO FALL IN LINE WITH PROVIDING THE INFORMATION FOR THE INVESTIGATION.
SO THE OBVIOUSLY THE POINT BEING THAT IT IS A NATIONAL SECURITY THREAT.
UH, IS WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH OR WHY WE'RE BROACHING THE SUBJECT.
SO HE SAID THAT IS ONE THING THAT WILL GET THEM MOVING ON COMPLYING WITH THIS INVESTIGATION.
MR. CARLTON, DO YOU LIKE TO APPROACH THE PODIUM? I WOULD ALLOW SOME COMMENTS.
MR. BURKE TALKS ABOUT INVESTIGATING.
WELL, MR. BURKE WORKS FOR THE AIR FORCE AND THE AIR FORCE COMES UNDER THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE.
THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE WORKS FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN.
AND WE KNOW HOW INVESTIGATIONS GO IN THAT SORT OF SITUATION.
THE INVESTIGATORS INVESTIGATED MR. BIDEN'S SON FOR FIVE YEARS AND THEN CAME UP WITH A SWEETHEART DEAL TO LET HIM OFF.
JUST ABOUT EVERY MORNING I'M IN MY VEHICLE BETWEEN NINE AND NOON.
I LISTEN TO SOME RADIO TALK SHOWS AND ONE OF THEM COMES FROM NORFOLK.
TWO OF THEM COME FROM NORFOLK, ACTUALLY.
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AND IT'S HARDLY A WEEK GOES BY THAT SOME NAVAL PERSONNEL DOESN'T CALL IN ON THE SHOW AND COMPLAIN ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE BEING TRAINED IN BASIC TRAINING.IT SEEMS THAT THE NAVY AND THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE HAS A WHOLE LOT MORE CONCERN THESE DAYS WITH DIVERSITY, EQUITY AND INCLUSION AND GENDER IDENTITY THAN THEY ARE WITH DEFENDING OUR COUNTRY.
AND THESE SAILORS SAY WE'RE NOT BEING TAUGHT ANYTHING ABOUT HOW TO DEFEND OUR COUNTRY.
WE'VE BEEN TAUGHT DEI AND WOKENESS.
SO I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET A WHOLE LOT OF RESULTS FROM THIS, MR. BURKE, THIS INVESTIGATOR, BECAUSE HE'S GOING TO TELL US HE'S INVESTIGATING AND HE MIGHT DRAG IT ON FOR A YEAR OR 2 OR 3.
THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A BRIEF COMMENT? I HAVE TO BE BRIEF. MY NAME IS JANE RIDDICK. FREEZE! 30319 CAMP PARKWAY CORTLAND.
BUT I WILL THINK IT'S PRETTY INTERESTING THAT THEY CALLED ANYWAY.
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD STEP FORWARD, THAT LITTLE OLD SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY DID GET A CALL FROM DAN BURKE FROM THE AIR FORCE, WHO HAS AT LEAST EXPRESSED SOME INTEREST IN WHAT'S GOING ON. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THESE WERE PRIVATE TRANSACTIONS BETWEEN TWO PRIVATE COMPANIES.
AND I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT.
BUT LET'S REMEMBER THAT BACK IN 2016, IT BECAME VERY PUBLIC BECAUSE AT THAT TIME, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND A LOT OF PUBLIC ENTITIES GOT INVOLVED AND GOT BEHIND THE REZONING FOR THIS.
AND WHY DID THEY DO THAT? THEY DID THAT BECAUSE THEY WERE TOLD IT WAS GOING TO BE THE SAVING GRACE OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY AND THAT WE WERE GOING TO GET 2000 JOBS.
AND IF YOU THINK MY 2000 NUMBER IS OFF, PLEASE GO BACK AND READ JULY 5TH, 2016, PAGE TEN OF THOSE MINUTES WHERE IT WAS SAID THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE 2000 JOBS FOR OUR COUNTY.
INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THIS TRANSACTION HAS HAPPENED BETWEEN TWO PRIVATE COMPANIES, AND YET WE'VE NOT HEARD ONE SINGLE THING ABOUT A JOB THAT WE'RE GOING TO BRING TO THE COUNTY, AND IT WAS THE ONLY REASON WHY IT WAS REZONED IS BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMIC BOOM IT WAS GOING TO BE FOR OUR AREA.
SO TWO PRIVATE COMPANIES, BUT IT WAS VERY, VERY PUBLIC.
UM, I ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT IT HAS TO BE A RED FLAG TO SOMEBODY AT THE PENTAGON, TO ALL OF US, THAT THE FOSSELLA FAMILY BOUGHT THIS, I BELIEVE, FOR $1.5 MILLION.
THEY, I THINK, INVESTED ANOTHER 500,000.
IT'S ASSESSED FOR LESS ABOUT 3.9.
THAT'S $26,000 AN ACRE, WHEREAS YOU CAN GET IT ON PRETLOW FOR 8000.
IT'S IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL.
WHY WOULD YOU SPEND $11.4 MILLION? TO BUY LAND IN THAT AREA.
SO JUST WANT TO POINT OUT SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT ARE KIND OF GLARING.
THE LAST THING IS WITH THE SECOND TO LAST THING.
I, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, BECAUSE I TALKED TO SOMEONE AT VDOT.
I COULD BE INCORRECT ON THAT, BUT IF THAT IS THE CASE AND IT IS BEING INVESTIGATED, I'D LIKE TO HOPE THAT WE WOULD STOP DOING THE RESEARCH ON THOSE SITE PLANS UNTIL THIS INVESTIGATION IS DONE.
ON THAT NIGHT OF 2016, MANY PEOPLE SPOKE AND WHEN IT CAME TIME, THE BOARD COULD
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VOTE ONE WAY AND THE COMMENT HAS BEEN MADE IF I HAD KNOWN THEN THAT WE WERE GOING, IT WAS GOING TO BE SOLD TO CHINA, I WOULDN'T MADE THAT VOTE. THAT CAN'T BE HOW WE MAKE DECISIONS.THAT NIGHT THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION WHEN WE LEFT.
THEY CALLED FOR A VOTE AND ALL 40 OF US HAD GONE UP AND SPOKEN AND THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION AMONGST THE BOARD ABOUT WHAT TO DO. THEY CALLED FOR A VOTE IMMEDIATELY.
THERE'S A LOT OF SERIOUS THINGS GOING ON, A LOT OF THINGS THAT OUR COMMUNITY IS GOING TO FACE.
WE GOT TO BE PREPARED AND WE HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS.
THANK YOU. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN MAKING MONEY THERE.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A BRIEF COMMENT? I HAVE A QUESTION.
IF A PIECE OF PROPERTY HAS BEEN SOLD AND IS ALREADY DONE, IT'S ALREADY BEEN ZONED.
OKAY. AND THEN THAT ZONING WAS REZONED.
DOES IT APPLY TO GRANDFATHERING? I MEAN, HOW DOES THAT WORK? CAN THEY SAY THAT WE BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY ZONED THIS WAY AND NOW YOU'RE CHANGING IT? CAN IT BE GRANDFATHERED? TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, ANY PROPERTY IN ANY LOCALITY CAN BE REZONED AT ANY TIME, REGARDLESS OF OWNERSHIP.
SO OUR PRIVATE RESIDENCES THEORETICALLY COULD BE REZONED.
THE ZONING RUNS WITH THE LAND.
SO THAT WAS BEFORE THAT YOU'RE CHANGING THE ZONE SO WE CAN TECHNICALLY APPLY AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE GRANDFATHERED BECAUSE THIS WAS DONE AFTER WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY.
IF YOU'RE GIVEN PERMITS, THAT'S WHEN SOME OF THOSE STIPULATIONS KICK IN.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE LAWYERS COME IN.
BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, LIKE I SAID, THE GOVERNING BODY CAN MAKE A MOTION, IF YOU SO CHOOSE, TO START THE REZONING PROCESS, TO SEND IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALONG WITH AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A BRIEF COMMENT? ERNEST CALL IT AGAIN.
WHAT YOU'RE DISCUSSING NOW IS WHAT I WAS ASKING HIM EARLY ON.
HOW MUCH CONTROL DO YOU HAVE? ISSUING PERMITS ONCE SOMETHING IS ZONED.
CAN. I GUESS WITH THE APPLICATION FOR PERMITS.
AND I DON'T KNOW, I'M ASKING CAN YOU HAVE SOME CONTROLS OVER WHAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY BUILD EVEN THOUGH IT'S ZONED? BECAUSE YOU THEY HAD TO HAVE A PERMIT TO DO IT.
IS THAT RIGHT? AND IF THEY IF YOU COULD HAVE SOME CONTROLS WITH THE PERMIT, WILL THAT HELP TO CONTROL WHAT IS GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTED? THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
I THINK I THINK THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY, BUT I'M NOT QUITE SURE THAT WE SHOULD.
OKAY. I WOULDN'T SAY THAT YOU APPROVE IT.
NOT THINKING YOU DON'T LIKE THE PROPOSED USE.
YOU HAVE TO ACT ON A PERMIT APPLICATION WITHIN A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD PRESCRIBED BY STATE CODE.
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BUT DO YOU EVENTUALLY HAVE TO APPROVE IT? CAN YOU REJECT APPROVE? YOU HAVE TO ACT ON IT, APPROVE IT OR DISAPPROVE IT? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING.WILL IT HELP TO CONTROL WHAT IS GOING TO..
YOU CAN'T DISAPPROVE A PERMIT IF THEY MEET ALL THE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST BECAUSE THEORETICALLY, A GOVERNING BODY MAY NOT LIKE THE USE IF IT'S IN THE CODE AND IT'S ALREADY IN EXISTING USE IN THE CODE AND THEY SUBMIT A SITE PLAN AND THEY FULFILL ALL THE SITE PLAN REQUIREMENTS, THE PROFFERS.
THANK YOU. I JUST HAVE ONE LITTLE QUESTION AND I DON'T EVEN NEED TO COME UP HERE.
BUT I WILL BECAUSE THIS PROTOCOL.
BRIAN, YOU SAID, UM YOU CAN REZONE ANY PROPERTY AT ANY TIME.
THAT MEAN NONE OF US ARE SAFE? I'M JUST TELLING YOU, IN THE STATE CODE, A LOCALITY CAN REZONE A PROPERTY..
YOU JUST COULDN'T COME UP TOMORROW AND SAY, I'M GOING TO REZONE JONAS BRIDGE ROAD.
I MEAN, YOU FOLLOW GUIDELINES IN THE STATE CODE OF HOW YOU REZONE.
SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE CODES THEN AND COME UP WITH SOME TYPE OF REBUTTAL TO THAT QUESTION SO THAT AS THEY GO FORWARD WITH TRYING TO FIND A LEGAL WAY TO REZONE.
LET ME LET ME WEIGH IN ON THIS, MA'AM.
I'M SORRY. YOU CAN DO AN APPLICATION TO REZONE AND THE OWNER WILL GET A NOTICE TO PROTECT THEIR DUE PROCESS RIGHTS AND THEY'LL GET AN OPPORTUNITY LIKE ANYONE ELSE.
BUT NO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THIS BOARD CAN'T ARBITRARILY REZONE YOUR PROPERTY.
THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT INITIATING AN APPLICATION.
AND SO THEREFORE, OUR I THINK THE BOARD NEED TO COME UP WITH THAT LEGAL TECHNIQUE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, TO GET THAT REZONED.
WE'RE GOING TO LET THE PLANNING COMMISSION START THAT.
YES, SIR. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, A GOVERNING BODY CAN INITIATE A REZONING AT ANY TIME, PROVIDED YOU GO ALL THROUGH THE STEPS OUTLINED IN THE STATE CODE WITH PROVIDING NOTICE, A PUBLIC HEARING, ETCETERA.
SO AS LONG AS YOU MEET THE STIPULATIONS IN THE STATE CODE FOR NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS, PUBLIC HEARING REQUIREMENTS, THE GOVERNING BODY CAN INITIATE A REZONING. MOST OF THE TIME IT IS DONE BY A PROPERTY OWNER OR A PROSPECTIVE PROPERTY OWNER, BUT A GOVERNING BODY CAN INITIATE A REZONING.
YES, SIR. THERE'S MR. THROWER KNOW OF ANY SITUATION WHERE THAT WAS DONE.
THE GOVERNING BODY REZONE IT AND ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, EITHER THE BUYER OR THE SELLER, SUED.
THE GOVERNING BODY SURE, I'M SURE IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.
I'M NOT A MISTER, REALLY KNOW ANY OF THAT SORT OF THING.
YEAH, UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S A IT'S AN UNPOPULAR POSITION, BUT I THINK THESE THIS PURCHASER OF THIS PROPERTY WILL PROBABLY WILL PROBABLY SUE US IMMEDIATELY FOR INTERFERENCE WITH PRIVATE CONTRACT.
IT WAS IT WAS REZONED LEGALLY A LONG TIME AGO.
THERE'S BECOME AN ISSUE WITH CHINA AND A ISSUE OBVIOUSLY WITH THE WITH THE TRAFFIC.
BUT THEY BOUGHT A PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR $11,400,000 WITH A WITH THE ZONING THAT THEY DESIRED ON IT TO TO THINK THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE ACTION WOULD PROBABLY BE A FAULTY ANALYSIS.
THAT'S WHY I RAISED THE QUESTION ABOUT WHAT'S THE DEPARTMENT OF THE AIR FORCE COULD DO IF THEY IF THEY COULD STOP THIS, THEN THEN IT WOULD ELIMINATE ELIMINATE ANY LIABILITY THE COUNTY HAS.
BUT NO, THEY THEY ABSOLUTELY CAN CAN.
HE ASSURED ME THEY'RE NOT A PART OF THE COMMUNIST PARTY.
I DON'T KNOW THAT TO BE TRUE OR NOT.
SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER.
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OH, HE'S GOT, UM.HE HAS TWO ATTORNEYS AT HEISLER LESHER IN RICHMOND, CAROLINE POMA AND JOHN MCMORRIS, AND A CALIFORNIA ATTORNEY BY THE NAME OF ROBERT MILLER THAT MADE THAT REPRESENTATION.
I JUST THINK THAT THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD STRATEGY TO AVOID LITIGATION.
IT'S THIS IS A BIG MONEY DEAL THAT IF WE WERE TO LOSE WOULD BE VERY EXPENSIVE.
ACCORDING TO THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT, THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO MAKE THIS APPLICATION BEFORE THEY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, WHICH THEY DID NOT DO.
ACCORDING TO MR. BURKE, WHO TALKED TO ME.
SO THEY, I THINK, ARE IN VIOLATION OF THE LAW.
ABOUT NOT MAKING THIS APPLICATION TO BEGIN WITH.
THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION.
AND I BELIEVE SUPERVISOR GILLETTE MENTIONED THAT THE WORDING IN THAT DOCUMENT IS SHOULD NOT SHALL, WHICH WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR A COURT. I'M NOT SAYING THAT THIS PROJECT DOESN'T HAVE SUBSTANTIAL CONCERNS MORE THAN JUST CHINA.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT PERHAPS WE SHOULD FORMULATE A STRATEGY.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE HOPEFULLY HIRING NEW COUNSEL BEFORE LONG, MAYBE GET THEIR OPINION OR RETAIN OUTSIDE COUNSEL AND JUST PUT THIS OFF PAST TONIGHT.
IT'S TIME IS ALWAYS OF THE ESSENCE.
BUT NOBODY'S APPLIED FOR A PERMIT OR DONE ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I JUST WOULD STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT THIS BOARD INVESTIGATED A JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE PRIOR TO PRIOR TO JUST INVITING LITIGATION. THAT'S THAT'S MY OPINION.
WE'RE GOING TO OPEN OURSELVES UP FOR A HUGE LAWSUIT IF YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH REZONING THAT PROPERTY AFTER THIS CORPORATION PAID THAT MUCH MONEY.
I THINK WE OUGHT TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO COME IN HERE AND EXPLAIN TO US WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON DOING, LIKE YOU SAID AND HIS REPRESENTATION TO ME TODAY, AND I DIDN'T GET TOO FAR INTO THE WEEDS WAS THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BUILD A FURNITURE COMPANY AND EMPLOY SOME PEOPLE WITH GOOD JOBS.
I HAVEN'T CHECKED, BUT I WOULD JUST SUGGEST THAT WE GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN IT.
AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT A POPULAR POSITION.
I'M LOOKING AT A LOT OF MY FRIENDS HERE THAT I'M SAYING SOMETHING NOT POPULAR TO THEM.
BUT WITH THAT SAID, I THINK IT'S COMMON SENSE.
SO MAYBE WE SHOULD WAIT UNTIL WE HEAR FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE FIRST.
AND THEN MAYBE STILL LET THE GUY COME IN HERE AND GIVE US A PRESENTATION BEFORE WE GO TAKING STEPS.
I DON'T WANT TO CHINESE COMING IN HERE, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THIS COUNTY UP TO MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF LAWSUITS I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A BAD DEAL FOR THE COUNTY.
AND TO CLARIFY, I DIDN'T SAY NOT TO DO IT.
IF AND WHEN YOU GO TO COURT, YOU GOT TO BE SHOW THAT THE JUDGE THAT YOU'VE OPERATED IN GOOD FAITH.
AND IF WE DON'T LET THEM COME IN HERE AND DO SOME PRESENTATION, WE GOT A PROBLEM.
THERE WAS ALREADY SOME THOUGHTS OF REZONING THE LAND.
THERE'S ALREADY SAYS WE'VE GOT SECOND THOUGHTS AS TO HOW THIS LAND IS ZONED.
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AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO STOP THE PLANNING COMMISSION FROM STARTING THEIR PROCEDURE.THAT'S JUST ME SPEAKING, GENTLEMEN.
AND WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD AND THEN LET THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE FOLLOW UP AS WELL.
BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT ENOUGH GROUNDS TO SAY THAT, HEY, WE'VE ALREADY, BEFORE THIS DEAL HAPPENED, REALIZED WE WE MIGHT WANT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT WITH THIS PROPERTY. THAT'S THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF BACKING OFF.
I PERSONALLY LIKE TO SEE THE PLANNING COMMISSION START.
WE'VE GOT TO HAVE TO GET INTO A LEGAL HARANGUE.
AT THAT POINT, IF IT TURNS OUT THAT WE'RE NOT BACKED UP BY THE.
WE CAN ALWAYS LET IT DROP, BUT.
I LIKE TO SEE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT LEAST START.
THAT IT MEAN WE'RE GOING TO BE SOON SUED BECAUSE THE PLANNING COMMISSION STARTS THIS PROCESS.
SO IF YOU LET EVERY COMPANY COME IN HERE AND TELL YOU WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGHT THESE THIS GOVERNMENT, THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT.
AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, IT'S GOT TO HAVE TO START AT THE GRASSROOTS.
IT'S GOT TO HAVE TO START AT THE LOCAL LEVEL.
WE DIDN'T LISTEN TO DOUGLAS MACARTHUR WHEN WE FINISHED THE.
ASKED TRUMAN TO LET ME GO AHEAD AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGHT THE CHINESE SOONER OR LATER.
WE DIDN'T LISTEN TO GEORGE PATTON AT THE END OF WORLD WAR TWO.
WHEN HE ASKED EISENHOWER, HE SAID, WE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGHT THE RUSSIANS SOONER OR LATER.
LET ME DO IT NOW. I'VE GOT ALL THE EQUIPMENT OVER HERE TO KILL THEM.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE SIT AROUND AND DO NOTHING, THEN WE DESERVE TO GET NOTHING.
I DON'T SAY AS TO WHERE IT WOULD WARRANT ANY TYPE OF ADVERSE LEGAL ACTION BY THIS COMPANY'S ATTORNEYS TO ALLOW OR TO DIRECT THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONTINUE WITH THE PLANNING DOWN THAT ROUTE.
I MEAN, THAT'S NO OFFICIAL ACTION BY THE COUNTY IF THEY WERE TO CONTINUE PLANNING.
WE HADN'T VOTED TO DO ANYTHING.
I WOULDN'T THINK FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE THAT WOULD BRING ABOUT ANY ADVERSE AND UNWANTED LEGAL ACTION.
IN THE MEANWHILE, WHILE THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE IS DOING THEIR THING.
WHAT? WELL, WE NEED TO OBVIOUSLY VOTE ON IT, BUT I AM OF THE OPINION THAT THE BEST OPTION OR THE ONLY OPTION WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS TO MOVE TOWARD THE PLANNING COMMISSION LOOKING AT REZONING.
AND SO I WOULD SUBMIT A MOTION TO DO THAT.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
CAN I ADD A LITTLE BIT BEFORE YOU DO THAT? WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND EVERYTHING ON THE TABLE.
I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU GUYS A LITTLE BIT OF.
YOU CAN WAIT. PLEASE WAIT TILL AFTER WE GET THROUGH WITH THAT, SIR.
YOU DON'T NEED TO GO. WE HAVE A SECOND.
OKAY. IF WE'RE GOING TO LISTEN TO SOME COMMENTS, WE DON'T NEED TO VOTE ON THEM.
LET ME I WANT TO HEAR I LIKE TO HEAR WHAT HE'S GOT TO SAY BEFORE I VOTE.
OKAY. WE'VE GOT THE MOTION SECOND.
ALL RIGHT. WE'VE GOT THAT ON THE FLOOR.
OKAY. THANK YOU, JACK CLAUDE ARBOR ROAD.
I'VE BEEN IN LAND DEVELOPMENT FOR 42 YEARS.
YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN SOME OF MY PROJECTS.
I WAS ON THE DESIGN TEAM FOR CHESAPEAKE SQUARE MALL.
SO A PROJECT OF THIS SIZE IS SOMETHING THAT I COULD ROUTINELY DO.
IF IF THEY CAME TO ME AND SAID, HEY, WE WANT TO DO THIS BUILDING.
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THE THE REVIEW PROCESS WOULD ROUTINELY TAKE THREE REVIEW CYCLES.SO BETH WOULD HAVE THEM FOR 45 DAYS.
IT WOULD GIVE US 30, 45 DAYS TO RESPOND.
SHE WOULD HAVE THEM AGAIN FOR 45 DAYS.
THAT WOULD BE AN AUTOMATIC PROCESS.
I WOULD THINK YOU'D BE ABLE TO EASILY STOP THIS PROJECT FOR SIX MONTHS JUST THROUGH NORMAL PROCESS.
BUT IT WOULD BE VERY SIMPLE FOR THE REVIEWER ENGINEER THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO ASK.
WE JUST WENT THROUGH A BATTLE IN SUFFOLK FOR OVER A YEAR BECAUSE ONE REVIEWER DID NOT LIKE THE PROJECT AND THERE'S REALLY NOT A LOT THAT WE CAN DO TO TO SPEED THAT UP OR STOP IT. SO I'D JUST LIKE FOR YOU ALL TO KNOW YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE NOT IN A BIG, HUGE HURRY TO TO TO REZONE THIS.
YOUR NORMAL PROCESS IS TO PROTECT YOU.
AND THEN IT GIVES US TIME WITH THE NEW COUNCIL TO TO BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH A PLAN.
SO. IT'S JUST NORMAL ENGINEERING PLAN REVIEW.
I'VE GOT A MOTION. IF I CAN JUMP IN, I'M GOING TO ASK BETH TO COME UP.
BUT BEFORE Y'ALL MAKE A MOTION, Y'ALL NEED TO PROVIDE.
SO I'LL LET BETH ADDRESS THAT.
OKAY. THERE ARE A COUPLE WAYS TO GO.
SEEK TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO AGRICULTURE OPEN SPACE.
BACK TO AN AGRICULTURAL USE AND THE ZONING TO A ONE AGRICULTURAL THAT IS A CLEAN SLATE THAT HAS THAT WOULD BE 438 ACRES OF AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY AND ANY POTENTIAL DEVELOPER.
SO IT'S LIKE WIPING THE SLATE CLEAN.
YOU COULD DO THAT AND ANYBODY THAT CAME IN WOULD NEED TO START OVER.
IF YOU CHOSE TO RECOMMEND TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT THEY SEEK COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATIONS AND ZONING DESIGNATIONS FOR WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO SEE, AN ALTERNATIVE COULD BE.
TODAY IT HAS EMPLOYMENT CENTER PLAN DESIGNATION.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION LOOKED AT A VERY CONCEPTUAL NEIGHBORHOOD LAYOUT OF THE 145 ACRES DIRECTLY BEHIND THE SCHOOL, THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON LOTS OF ABOUT AN ACRE, A LITTLE OVER AN ACRE.
THAT WOULD BE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATION AND AN R1 SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DESIGNATION FOR THAT 45 145 ACRES FOR THE NEXT 140 SOME ACRES GOING TOWARD FRANKLIN BETWEEN DELAWARE ROAD AND THE EDGE OF THE DRIVEWAY THAT GOES TO THE BUS LANE, TO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER A MIXED USE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATION THAT PERMITS SOME COMMERCIAL, SOME OFFICE, ALL NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE, NOT TALL OFFICE BUILDINGS AND WALMART'S, BUT NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE THAT WOULD SERVE THE PEOPLE THAT COULD WALK THERE AND PERHAPS SOME HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL THAT WOULD PROVIDE PERHAPS SOME SENIOR HOUSING, NURSING HOMES OR DEVELOPMENT, SORT OF LIKE THE WOODS, THE VILLAGE AT WOODS EDGE THAT COULD BE IN THE AREA TO THE EAST,
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TO THE COUNTY SIDE OF DELAWARE ROAD.THAT WOULD BE A MIXED USE PLAN, DESIGNATION AND ZONING DESIGNATIONS OF B ONE, WHICH IS LOCAL BUSINESS AND R TWO, WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL. AND THEN FOR THE AREA ON THE FRANKLIN SIDE OF DELAWARE ROAD, IF YOU WANTED TO KEEP SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME MORE INTENSE DEVELOPMENT, YOU MAY WANT TO LEAVE THAT AS EMPLOYMENT CENTER.
BUT WE HAVE A NEW PLANNING DISTRICT THAT WAS ADOPTED SEVERAL YEARS AGO THAT'S NEVER BEEN USED.
IT'S CALLED PLANNED OFFICE AND INDUSTRIAL, AND THAT CONTEMPLATES CAMPUS LIKE DEVELOPMENT WITH PERHAPS WAREHOUSING, PERHAPS OFFICE. IT'S ONLY AT 125 ACRES, MAYBE 140 ACRES.
IT INCLUDES DESIGN GUIDELINES, WHICH NO OTHER ZONING DESIGNATION REQUIRES, AND IT ENCOURAGES SMALLER SCALE EMPLOYMENT GENERATING BUSINESSES.
SO THAT MAY BE WHAT YOU'D WANT TO ENCOURAGE.
IT WOULD BE IN THREE DIFFERENT PIECES, THREE DIFFERENT.
DESIGNATIONS. ALL THESE THINGS WOULD BE THINGS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD HAVE TO SORT OUT.
YES. SO THERE ARE TWO WAYS TO GO.
WIPE THE SLATE CLEAN OR ENCOURAGE THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU'D LIKE.
THERE HAS ONLY BEEN ONE PLANNING COMMISSION DECISION ADVISED ADVISEMENT TO THE BOARD.
THAT HAS BEEN OVERTURNED AND THIS WAS THE 1 IN 2016.
I MEAN, YOU CAN'T GET SUED FOR LOOKING AT SOMETHING.
ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION TO ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO LOOK AT IT.
WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? AS FAR AS THIS GOES. IF WE DO THIS, HOW FAR DOWN THE ROAD ARE WE TALKING ABOUT GOING? YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ADVERTISING WHEN YOU HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND ALL OF THAT.
SO ARE WE SAYING WE'RE TURNING IT BACK TO THEM? AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE GET TO THAT STAGE? THING. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SEPARATE MEETINGS STILL.
YEAH. WHAT IS THE ACTUAL MOTION? I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON IS THEIR MEETING THE 14TH? IS THAT WHEN THEY WOULD? I THINK I THINK I SAID BACK TO AGRICULTURAL, I THINK IS WHAT I SAID AND I MIGHT HAVE TO RESCIND THAT.
I THOUGHT YOU SAID BACK TO THE PLANNING.
BUT I THINK I INCLUDED I THINK IF YOU LOOK BACK AT THE AGRICULTURAL, I DON'T KNOW WHO WASN'T THAT MISS LEWIS? AND SOME OF IT WAS I THINK IT WAS A TWO INSTEAD OF A ONE.
SEND US BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE VOTE? YOU GET THE CLARITY YOU NEED, ROBERT? YEAH. I'M NOT FOR IT.
I'M VOTING AGAINST THE MOTION.
YES. AND I'LL SAY THIS BEFORE WE VOTE, I UNDERSTAND WHY ROBERT'S GOING TO VOTE AGAINST IT AND I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR IT ONLY BECAUSE WE'RE JUST GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO LOOK INTO THE PROPER WAY OF DOING IT.
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LIKE MR. CROSS INDICATED THEY'VE BEEN DOING, THEY'VE BEEN DOING THAT ANYWAY.WE'RE JUST OPENING UP A CAN OF WORMS IF WE WANT TO VOTE TO CHANGE THAT SO THAT EVERYBODY FEELS THEN, OKAY, WE HAVE THE MOTION TO GO AHEAD AND SEND IT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
12345, THOSE OPPOSED, LIKEWISE, THE VOTE'S 5 TO 2 TO SEND IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
OKAY, BUT INVITING THE GUY TO COME DOWN.
EXCUSE ME. WHAT ABOUT INVITING THE GUY TO COME DOWN AND TALK TO US? LET ME HEAR THIS. WELL, THAT'S IN THE PROCESS.
WE'RE NOT DEALING ANYBODY OUT.
WHAT? WILLIAM WE'VE ALL HAD COMMUNICATIONS WITH THEM SO WE CAN CONTINUE THE COMMUNICATION.
THEY'VE BEEN VERY, VERY GOOD WITH THE COMMUNITY LINE OF COMMUNICATIONS.
THEY'VE TALKED TO ME EVERY TIME I'VE CALLED.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE AIR FORCE.
WHAT ABOUT THE AIR FORCE? WHAT ABOUT THE LAWYER REPRESENTING THIS? I CARE ABOUT THE LAWYER REPRESENTS THEM.
I THINK WE NEED. THEY'VE ALREADY VIOLATED THE LAW.
OKAY. I THINK WE NEED TO LET THE AIR FORCE DECIDE ABOUT THAT.
NOW, IF THE AIR FORCE SAYS EVERYTHING'S OKAY, LET THEM DO WHAT THEY WANT.
I HAVE TROUBLE WITH LAWYERS THAT CAN'T FOLLOW THE LAW.
YOU ALWAYS FOLLOW THE LAW. NOT ALWAYS.
ONCE WE SETTLE THAT, WE MOVE ON TO NUMBER TEN.
THE CLOSED SESSION. MR. THROWER? YES.
TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION, THE BOARD WILL NEED TO DO THE FOLLOWING MOTION REQUIRED.
A MOTION IS REQUIRED TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSES.
ONE IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2.2 3711 A ONE PERSONNEL MATTER REGARDING THE APPOINTMENT OF COUNTY ATTORNEY AND TWO IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2.2 3711 A FIVE DISCUSSION WITH STAFF FROM FRANKLIN SOUTHAMPTON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, INC.
CONCERNING CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATIONS AND NEGOTIATIONS WITH COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL PROSPECTS, OR THE EXPANSION OF EXISTING COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL BUSINESSES WHERE NO PREVIOUS ANNOUNCEMENT HAS BEEN MADE, OR THE PROSPECTS OR BUSINESSES INTEREST IN LOCATING OR EXPANDING ITS FACILITIES IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY.
DID YOU LOOK AT THOSE QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. WE NEED A MOTION TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION.
ALL IN FAVOR OF GOING TO CLOSED SESSION.
WE'RE GOING TO DO BACK IN CLOSED SESSION.
THAT WON'T FIT IN MY BAG.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.