[ I. CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL] [00:00:02] I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CALL THE JULY MEETING OF THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER. AND BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I'LL ASK IF EVERYONE WOULD RISE AS WE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO OUR FLAG. I'LL ASK YOU TO REMAIN STANDING. AND TONIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO I'M GOING TO NOT HAVE A REGULAR INVOCATION, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A FEW MOMENTS OF SILENCE FOR AS A TRIBUTE TO MR. RICHARD RAYLAND. SO IF YOU WOULD, JUST BOW YOUR HEADS, PLEASE. LORD, WE ASK THAT YOU TAKE THESE THOUGHTS OF REMEMBRANCE AND TO THE LEGACY THAT MR.. RICHARD HAS LEFT BEHIND, THAT WE WILL TRULY TAKE THE EXAMPLE THAT HE LED AND TRY TO BE A PART OF THAT. ALL THESE THINGS IN REMEMBRANCE TONIGHT IN YOUR NAME, JESUS CHRIST. AMEN. YOU MAY BE SEATED. ALL RIGHT. WELCOME TO OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HERE TONIGHT, MISS BAKER. AND WE CAN HAVE EVERYBODY IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT. I THINK MR. DAY WILL NOT BE JOINING US TONIGHT. I APPRECIATE YOU ALL COMING OUT ON THIS WARM EVENING. GOOD EVENING. WE'LL GO RIGHT DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER TWO IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE JUNE MEETING, [ II. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] BUT IT HAD THE AGENDA IN FRONT OF THEM. IS THERE ANY COMMENTS OR ADDITIONS OR. THINK YOU'D LIKE TO ADD OR SUBTRACT FROM THE MINUTES OF THE LAST MEETING? NO. DO I HEAR A MOTION TO BE APPROVED AS PRESENTED? I MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE THE MINUTES, HAVE A PROPER MOTION, HEAR A SECOND, SECOND. HAVE A PROPER SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTING OF THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE LAST MEETING. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE? AYE. ANY OPPOSED LIKE SIGN. MINUTES PASSED AS PRESENTED UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY, SO ITEM NUMBER THREE IS OUR PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. IF ANYONE WANTS TO COME FORWARD TO SPEAK OR ANYTHING PERTAINING TO THE COUNTY OR ANYTHING PERTAINING TO YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION. TONIGHT, WE DON'T HAVE ANY AUDIENCE, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY, YOU CAN COME FORWARD NOW, NOT LAST CALL. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AND WE'LL GO DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS STATED AS PUBLIC HEARINGS. IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE NONE TONIGHT, SO WE'LL PROGRESS ON DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE ON OUR AGENDA, UNFINISHED BUSINESS. [ V. UNFINISHED BUSINESS] AND I'M GOING TO LET MS. LEWIS SPEAK NOW, IF SHE WILL. OKAY. THE FIRST THING IS THE TRANSPORTATION CHAPTER. YOU HAVE THAT IN YOUR PACKAGE THAT WAS PREPARED BY THE HAMPTON ROADS TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ORGANIZATION ON YOUR BEHALF, SINCE ALL THE ROADS IN SOUTH HAMPTON COUNTY ARE VDOT ROADS, WE DON'T DO A LOT OF TRANSPORTATION PLANNING IN SOUTH HAMPTON COUNTY. WE DO LAND USE PLANNING, BUT NOT TRANSPORTATION PLANNING. SO THE FIRST PART OF THE CHAPTER IS ABOUT THE SOUTH HAMPTON COUNTY CITIZENS TRANSPORTATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT WAS STARTED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. AND THEY DO MEET AND THEY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEY MAKE APPLICATIONS FOR STATE FUNDS THROUGH THE SMART SCALE PROCESS. BUT MOST OF THE REST OF THE TRANSPORTATION ISSUES IN SOUTH HAMPTON COUNTY ARE VDOT ISSUES. SO I WAS VERY GLAD THAT THEY OFFERED TO MAKE THIS CHAPTER FOR US. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY ANY CHANGES OR COMMENTS OR ANYTHING, I'LL BE GLAD TO TAKE THEM BACK TO THEM AND THEY'LL MAKE WHATEVER CHANGES WE WANT. HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF ANY ISSUES IN YOUR RESPECTIVE DISTRICTS ABOUT ANYTHING WITH INTERSECTION [00:05:01] SAFETY ISSUES OR SPEED LIMIT ISSUES? I KNOW, BUT I'VE BEEN. HOW LONG AGO WAS IT, JACK, WHEN THEY LOWERED THE SPEED LIMIT HEIGHT ON THE 58 IN FRONT OF YOUR BUSINESS IN THE LOWER THREE YEARS AND THREE, TWO AND A HALF. AND I THINK THAT'S WHEN THAT COMMITTEE OR THAT COMMITTEE INSTIGATED THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, IT WAS WHEN THEY INSTALLED THE ROUNDABOUTS. RIGHT. THAT'S BEEN PROBABLY, WHAT, FIVE YEARS NOW? WELL, I'M GETTING OLD. IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT I KNOW THAT WAS LONG. THAT WAS A BIG ISSUE FOR A WHILE. I THINK THAT'S KIND OF RESOLVED. I THINK IT WAS AFTER THEY INSTALLED THEM, THEN THEY LOWERED IT. RIGHT. SO THIS THIS COMMITTEE HAS FORWARDED APPLICATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED THROUGH THE SMART SCALE PROCESS. SMART SCALE IS AN ACRONYM. IT'S IN HERE. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT IS. THEY'LL BE IMPROVEMENTS IN FRONT OF THE HIGH SCHOOL ALONG 58. THEY'LL BE A CONTINUOUS GREEN T AT CAMP PARKWAY AND SOUTHAMPTON PARKWAY. A CONTINUOUS GREEN T PERMITS PEOPLE GOING EASTBOUND TO NOT HAVE A RED LIGHT THAT OUTSIDE LANE WILL JUST STAY GREEN AND THE THE ROAD WILL BE WIDENED. THERE'LL BE A LEFT TURN LANE AND THE PEOPLE THAT WILL STOP WILL BE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO TURN LEFT OR PEOPLE COMING THE OTHER WAY THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE TURN LEFT IN FRONT OF THEM. AND THERE WILL BE IMPROVEMENTS TO NEWMARKET ROAD TO PUT IN SOME SORT OF TURN LANE THERE. RIGHT NOW WHEN YOU DRIVE AND YOU WANT TO TURN DOWN NEWMARKET ROADS, YOU JUST HAVE TO TURN OFF THERE ISN'T ANY TURN LANE AT ONE POINT IN THE IMPROVEMENT THAT DRURY ROAD AND SOUTH HAMPTON PARKWAY WAS WAS GOING TO BE REQUESTED BUT THIS COMMITTEE DECIDED THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT WHAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE A REQUEST FOR WHAT WAS SUGGESTED. THEY WANTED SOMETHING BLINKING LIGHTS OR BIGGER SIGN OR SOMETHING. TURNER. WHAT WAS THAT THING CALLED? THAT WAS KIND OF AN R CUT WHERE YOU DON'T TURN, YOU DON'T GO ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE ROAD. YOU TURN RIGHT, YOU GO ABOUT THE DISTANCE OF A BLOCK, AND THEN YOU MAKE A U TURN TO BE ABLE TO TURN LEFT. HAS ANYTHING BEEN DONE THERE? NO, NOTHING NOT DONE THERE. AND THAT ISN'T ANYTHING THAT VDOT IS GOING TO FUND BECAUSE IT'S NOT A BIG ENOUGH FINANCIAL INVESTMENT. SO THE CITIZENS COMMITTEE WILL MEET AGAIN IN THE FALL AND THINK ABOUT PRIORITIES FOR THEIR NEXT SUBMITTAL FOR SMART SCALE. WHO'S ON THAT COMMITTEE? THAT IS TOMMY POTTER AND MRS. SIMMONS, I THINK IS. YES, I THINK MISS SIMMONS IS ON. I THINK MR. CLARKE FROM EMMA AND GRAYSON'S. HE WAS. I DON'T KNOW IF HE STILL IS. HE WAS A GENTLEMAN FROM THE BRANCHVILLE AREA. IF YOU HAD ASKED ME, I COULD HAVE TOLD YOU FIVE MINUTES AGO. I JUST HAD. I HAD NO IDEA WHO WAS ON IT. YEAH, THEY USED TO BE ON IT. I THINK HE WAS REPLACED BECAUSE HE SERVED ON. WHAT WERE YOU? THEY'D BEEN VERY HELPFUL. PEOPLE GO TO THEM WITH PROBLEMS AND THEY'VE DONE A GOOD JOB. ROBERT WHITE IS ON IT. I BELIEVE ROBERT WHITE IS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS REPRESENTATIVE. THAT'S THE BOARD WHERE THE KNOW THROUGH TRUCKS ON SHADED TRAIL DISCUSSIONS STARTED. THAT IS A VERY HELPFUL RESOURCE TO YOU ALL. YEAH. YES. SO HAVE A CHANCE TO. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHO TO GO TO TO TALK ABOUT THE ROUNDABOUTS. OH, THE CARE. I MEAN, THEY LOOK BEAUTIFUL. I WOULD LIKE EVERYONE, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE GRASS WAS SIX FOOT HIGH. YES. I MEAN, WE JUST GOT TO DO BETTER WITH THAT. YES. YOU DON'T LIKE THE ROUNDABOUT? THE MIDDLE OF THEM THAT HAVE WEEDS. AND YOU SHOULD HAVE SEEN IT BEFORE WE REDESIGNED. THIS IS AN IMPROVED DESIGN WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. WE'VE GOT THE LITTER COUNCIL THAT'S WILLING TO TAKE IT OVER AND JUST PUT SOME MULCH AND SOME FLOWERS. I'M SURE WE CAN GET SOME DONATIONS, BUT IT JUST IT SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING WE COULD DO. I DO THAT ALL THE WAY DOWN THE WE JUST WANT THE TWO ROUNDABOUTS. I MEAN, JUST THE TWO ROUNDABOUTS I THINK WOULD MAKE IT LOOK, JUST PUT SOME MULCH AND A FEW SPRAY AROUND IT. AND I KNOW THAT PEOPLE IN THE LITTER PANELS ARE WILLING TO DO IT, BUT WE'VE GOT TO GET WITH VDOT AND WE TRY TO DO IT AND WE JUST KIND OF HIT A BRICK WALL. BUT. AND THEY ADMIT THAT THEY PERMIT IT IN OTHER PLACES. [00:10:01] GERRY KIELY SAYS. THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING, IS IF I KNOW THAT THERE'S PEOPLE ON THE LITTER COUNCIL THAT WOULD BE WILLING, IT'S JUST THEY HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WHEN THEY'RE WORKING ON IT BECAUSE SOMETIMES A FEW OF THEM LIKE TO GO STRAIGHT THROUGH IT, RIGHT? I THINK WE TALKED A YEAR OR TWO AGO ABOUT ALSO PUTTING SIGNS ON AT LEAST 58 LIKE WELCOME TO SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY COMING BACK. AND WE HAD DISCUSSED IT, BUT THEN NOTHING EVER WENT ON THAT EITHER. THAT WAS A BUDGET REQUEST THIS YEAR THAT WAS REMOVED FROM THE BUDGET. OKAY. THERE YOU GO. WE'VE GOT TO START ADVOCATING FOR THAT. YEAH, IT WAS, I THINK I'D RECOMMEND THREE YEARS AGO. THE BEST WAY TO GO ABOUT IT WOULD BE HAVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION DECIDE WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND WE BRING IT TO PUBLIC COMMENT. AND AS VDOT TO COME AND GIVE US SOME ANSWERS ON IT. OTHERWISE YOU'RE JUST NOT GOING TO GET ANYTHING TO BE HONEST. YOU KNOW, THEY GOT A BUDGET AND THAT'S WHAT THEY STICK TO. YOU KNOW WHAT? WELL, I MEAN, I BROUGHT THE IDEA UP, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE A VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY AND I THINK PEOPLE WOULD DONATE. LIKE WHEN WE GO AND PICK UP TRASH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE SHERIFF, THE SHERIFF CONTRIBUTES. I BET IF WE COULD GET THAT APPROVED THROUGH VDOT THAT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WOULD COME OUT AND BLOCK IT OFF FOR A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME TO GET IT MULCHED AND PLANT A COUPLE FLOWERS. AND I JUST THINK. YOU COULD DO THAT MAYBE THREE TIMES A YEAR, AND IT WOULD JUST MAKE GOING THROUGH THAT AREA LOOK SO MUCH BETTER. I AGREE WITH YOU. IT'S LET THE WEEDS GROW TOO HIGH. TRASH OUT THERE, IT LOOKS BAD. FOR ME, IT'S A PERMITTING PROCESS THAT YOU CAN USE TO PRIVATELY DO IT, AND IT MAY MAKE SENSE FOR SOMEBODY TO REACH OUT TO WHOMEVER HANDLES THAT IN EMPORIA. IT LOOKS REALLY GOOD GOING IN AND OUT OF EMPORIA. AND THEY THEY OBTAINED A PERMIT FROM VDOT FOR THE TOWN OR THE CITY OF EMPORIA TO MAINTAIN THOSE AREAS THAT THEY KEEP AND MAINTAIN LIKE YOU WOULD AT YOUR OWN HOME. JUST A SUGGESTION. SO DO YOU? OR DO YOU? IS IT A PRIVATE GROUP, YOU THINK? A CITIZENS OR IS IT A GOVERNING BODY THAT DOES IT? OR YOU ARE YOU SURE? I THINK IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THE CITY OF EMPORIA, THE CITY OF [INAUDIBLE] PUBLIC WORKS, TAKES CARE OF PUBLIC WORKS. OKAY. I SPOKE WITH JERRY KEY AND HE SAYS THAT IT'S A PERMITTING PROCESS. IT'S AN APPLICATION THAT SAY, I KNOW IT'S NOT IN THE TOWN OF COURTLAND THE ROUNDABOUT, BUT THE TOWN OF COURTLAND, IF THEY WANTED, COULD PERHAPS OBTAIN A PERMIT, HAVE THEIR CREW MAINTAIN THE LANDSCAPING THERE AND PUT UP A SIGN, YOU KNOW, ENTERING COURTLAND OR WHATEVER, WHOMEVER WANTED TO DO IT, PERHAPS THE GARDEN CLUB, PERHAPS THE BUSINESS OWNERS IN THAT CORRIDOR. BUT IT'S IT'S A PERMIT WHERE YOU CAN WHERE A GROUP CAN TAKE OVER THE MAINTENANCE FROM THE VDOT SYSTEM FOR THAT AREA RATHER THAN JUST CUTTING THE GRASS ON THEIR SCHEDULE, YOU KNOW, THREE TIMES A YEAR WHERE YOU CAN HAVE A CREW TO DO IT RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO ANY SUGGESTIONS AS TO HOW WE PROCEED TO GET SOME ACTION ON? I KNOW THE LITTER COUNCIL WANTS TO TAKE IT OVER. SO, I MEAN, IF THAT IS AN APPROPRIATE GROUP TO DO IT, I MEAN, I GUESS I'LL CHECK WITH. COULD WE MAKE CONTACT? I'LL CHECK WITH VDOT AND SEE WHAT THE PROCESS IS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MISS LEWIS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE IN THE TRANSPORTATION CHAPTER. WHEN WE PUT IT IN THE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ITSELF, I THINK THAT THESE PAGES THAT ARE PRINTED THIS DIRECTION, I MAY HAVE PRINTED OUT 11 BY 17 PAPER THAT FOLDS OUT. SO IT'S A LITTLE EASIER TO READ. I CAN READ IT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE DAY, BUT BY THE END OF THE DAY, MY EYES ARE KIND OF TOO TIRED TO READ IT. SO I GOT ONE QUESTION ABOUT IT, ABOUT THE BRIDGES I WAS LOOKING. WE HAVE LIKE QUITE A FEW THAT ARE STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT. DO WE GET LIKE A SCHEDULE FROM VDOT? I KNOW THEY MAINTAIN IT AND DO IT, BUT LIKE, DO WE HAVE LIKE A REPLACEMENT PLAN OF ESTIMATED TEN YEARS FROM NOW, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW? IS THAT READILY ACCESSIBLE? YES. THERE'S A SIX YEAR PLAN THAT WE JUST WENT THROUGH, THE SIX YEAR PLAN, WE JUST HAD A MEETING. OKAY. YEAH. THEY HAVE A SIX YEAR PLAN. EVERY YEAR WE GET A LIST. THEY TAKE THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE WORST SHAPE, BUT THERE ARE ONES THAT ARE STRUCTURALLY DEFICIENT, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE GOING TO FALL DOWN. THAT MEANS THAT THEY DON'T MEET TODAY'S. IF YOU WERE BUILDING IT TODAY, YOU WOULD BUILD IT DIFFERENTLY. GOTCHA. THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS. SHOULD BE IN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING. BUT ANY ANY BRIDGE THAT IS A DANGER LIKE THE ONE ON SOUTH QUAY, THEY CLOSED THAT ONE AND THEY'RE REPLACING THAT ONE FOR A WHILE. [00:15:02] THEY HAD WEIGHT LIMITS ON IT AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD TYPICALLY WEIGHT LIMIT IT UNTIL THEY CAN GET AROUND TO REPLACING IT. IN THE REPLACEMENT PLAN. I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION, I GUESS ACCESSIBILITY OF OF A WALKING LANE. IS THERE ANY WAY OR AND MAYBE I MISSED IT BUT THAT WE CAN ENCOURAGE VDOT TO INCLUDE A WALKING LANE WHICH WOULD ALSO CAUSE THE BRIDGE TO BE WIDER WHICH WOULD MAKE FARM TRAFFIC IMPLEMENT TRAFFIC EASIER TO GO ACROSS. BUT OF THE BRIDGES THAT ARE IN PLAN TO BE REPLACED, HOW CAN WE GIVE THEM ENCOURAGEMENT TO ADD A FOUR EXTRA FEET? THE THREE DOTS REGULATIONS REQUIRE THAT WHEN THEY REBUILD A ROADWAY, THEY PUT IN ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION LANE, BUT THEY DON'T DO IT. WE CAN CONTINUE TO REMIND THEM OF THAT, BUT THEIR OWN REGULATIONS REQUIRE THAT. I WAS SURPRISED WHEN THEY BUILT THE ONE IN COURTLAND. THE NEW BRIDGE AND THE ONE IN WHEN THEY REBUILT THE ROAD IN FRANKLIN DALE ROAD. THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE ANY ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION THERE EITHER. BUT WE CAN. IN THIS CHAPTER, WE CAN RESTATE THAT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN BRIDGES ARE REBUILT, THAT THEY INCLUDE A BIKE LANE. I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD. AND IT DOES INCREASE THE THE SAFETY WHEN FARM EQUIPMENT IS MOVING. I THINK THAT I THINK MR. MANN. RECOGNIZE THAT ON 671, WHEN THEY BUILT A NEW BRIDGE THAT WAS KIND OF HARD TO NAVIGATE, THEY STOPPED PUTTING GUARDRAILS UP TIGHT TO THE ROAD TO MAKES IT LONGER DISTANCE. YOU GOT TO SQUEEZE THROUGH SO WE CAN WE'LL ADD THE LANGUAGE, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PUT TEETH INTO IT, BUT WE CAN START IT. RECOGNIZE IT AS BEING AN ISSUE. AND I SAY DON'T BUILD BRIDGES VERY OFTEN, BUT WHEN THEY'RE BUILT, IT NEEDS IT NEEDS TO BE INCORPORATED AT THAT TIME. BECAUSE IF YOU THE ONES THAT ARE DEFICIENT, YOU SAID THEY'RE NOT READY TO FALL DOWN, BUT THEY KEEP LOWERING THE WEIGHT LIMITS. WELL, THE ISSUE WITH THAT IS, IS LIKE A LOT OF OUR LOCAL FIRE DEPARTMENTS, TANKER TRUCKS ARE NOT GOING TO BUILD ACROSS SOME OF THESE BRIDGES AND EVEN FARM TANKS AND THE WEIGHT OF EQUIPMENT AND THOSE SO THEY CAN'T KEEP LOWERING IT TO MEET THIS STANDARD WITH THE WEIGHT LIMIT, WE NEED TO GET IT REPLACED. SO. RIGHT. THEY ONCE THEY NEED TO START TO LOWER THE WEIGHT LIMIT, THEN THEY KNOW THAT IT'S GETTING TO BE TIME TO GET IT ON A LIST TO GET IT REPLACED. THEY THINK MUCH LONGER AHEAD THAN JUST THE SIX YEAR PLAN TO THEY THINK 20 YEARS IN ADVANCE. BUT. ALL RIGHT. ANY ANYTHING ELSE? YES, MA'AM. I JUST HAVEN'T MAYBE AN OBSERVATION AND SOMETHING THAT PERHAPS IN THE FUTURE WE MIGHT BECOME NECESSARY, AND THAT IS ON THE COUNTRY ROADS THAT WE HAVE. THEY WERE OBVIOUSLY DEVELOPED DURING HORSE AND BUGGY TIMES, BUT PEOPLE NOW DRIVE ON THEM LIKE THEIR RACEWAY. AND AT SOME POINT, PERHAPS SOME OF THE AT STRATEGIC POINTS, WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, DRIVE CAREFULLY OR SPEED LIMITS 35 OR, YOU KNOW, BE MINDFUL OF ANYWAY SOME SORT OF TRAFFIC REMINDER BECAUSE I'VE SEEN MORE ALMOST ACCIDENTS, PARTICULARLY IF PEOPLE ARE COMING ACROSS A HILL THAT'S A BLIND HILL OR THEY'RE MEETING FARM EQUIPMENT AND THEN WE HAVE TRUCKS THAT DRIVE MUCH TOO FAST ON COUNTRY ROADS. TAKE IT TO THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE. GOOD POINT. I MEAN, THAT'S THE KIND OF THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DOING. AND THAT COMMITTEE HAS BEEN VERY GOOD ABOUT BRINGING THAT REPORT TO THE BOARD. AND THAT'S THE WAY TO DO IT. OKAY. WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING MAYBE CARS ARE GOING TO GET FASTER AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DRIVE FASTER. AND, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO KIND OF NOT HAVE ACCIDENTS ON OUR COUNTRY ROADS. I AGREE. I BELIEVE SEVERAL YEARS AGO, DR. EDWARDS, THERE WAS A HILL AND. [00:20:03] YOUR DISTRICT THAT SOME SIGNAGE WAS NEEDED TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT I THINK THIS LITTLE STORY STATION YOU COULDN'T SEE OVER THE HILL THERE, RIGHT. THE OLD CHURCH. SO YOU'D SAY MAYBE SIGNAGE WOULD BE JUST SOMETHING, A COUNTRY ROAD SIGNAGE, FOR INSTANCE. YOU KNOW, I WAS TRYING FOR YEARS TO GET A SIGN THAT THIS THERE'S SYCAMORE. YOU GO UP A HILL THERE FROM WHERE WE COME OUT OF DARDEN, DARDEN ESTATES, AND IT'S BLIND AND THEY WOULDN'T DO ANYTHING. I KEPT COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT. SO FINALLY I WROTE A LETTER TO THESE PEOPLE AND THEY GOT ON IT AND BE DOT WITHIN 3 OR 4 MONTHS. PUT UP A SIGN. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH THEM IS RIGHT. SO FAR, THEY'VE LISTENED TO THEIR IDEAS. THERE MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, JUST A A GROUP OF FOLKS THAT JUST DRIVE OUR LITTLE COUNTRY ROADS AND SAY, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE TEN AREAS THAT MAY NEED SOME EXTRA SIGNAGE AND HAVE A LITTLE MORE COMPREHENSIVE VIEW OF WHAT THE NEEDS ARE IN THE COUNTY. I'M SURE IN ALL OF OUR DISTRICTS, WE CAN IDENTIFY PLACES WHERE THERE, YOU KNOW, ELBOW CURVES AND THOSE BLOND HILLS AND JUST PLACES WHERE THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR AN ACCIDENT. SO I AGREE. YOU HAVE TO PUSH A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, THEY HAVE TO GO TO TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND TRAFFIC ENGINEER COMES IN AND DOES A STUDY. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO PUSH A LITTLE BIT MORE. AND THEN THE SIGN MOST OF THOSE SIGNS COSTS ABOUT $700 A PIECE. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THIS GROUP HAD BEEN VERY EFFECTIVE. THE CITIZENS TRANSPORTATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE. OKAY. IT'S A GREAT RESOURCE. OKAY. ANY MORE COMMENTS? SO, MISS LEWIS, ALL OF THE UPDATED INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE OVER THIS LAST 5 OR 6 YEAR PERIOD OF TIME, IT'S GOING TO ALL BE INSERTED INTO OUR NEW RIGHT. THEY JUST FINISHED THIS PLAN. SO. YES. OKAY. ANY MORE COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? THE TRANSPORTATION CHAPTER. ALL RIGHT. IF NOT. HOW ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT? I IT APPEARS MR. CRAIG IS STILL UNDER THE WEATHER, SO HE ISN'T ABLE TO JOIN YOU. SO IT MAY BE THE NEXT MEETING. POSSIBLY. PERHAPS. OKAY. RIGHT. OKAY. WE GOT ALL COUNTY WIDE MEETINGS SET. YEP. YOU HAVE. I PUT THIS TOGETHER TO PUT AN AD IN THE NEWSPAPER. I WAS GOING TO PUT IN A QUARTER PAGE AD THE FIRST WEEK IN SEPTEMBER, THE FIRST WEEK IN OCTOBER, AND PROBABLY THE SECOND WEEK IN NOVEMBER BECAUSE THE NOVEMBER MEETING IS IN THE SECOND HALF OF THE MONTH. SO PEOPLE AND WE'LL PUT IT ON THE COUNTY'S FACEBOOK PAGE, WE'LL PUT IT ON THE COUNTY'S WEB PAGE. WE'LL DISTRIBUTE IT. ROUND, BUT TAKE A LOOK AT IT. SEE IF IT IS WHAT YOU WANT TO INVITE PEOPLE, HOW YOU WANT TO INVITE PEOPLE, AND WE'LL GET IT OUT IN THE PUBLIC. MS.. LEWIS OWNED IT. NEWSOMS MEETING. YOU DIDN'T HAVE A. MODERATOR. I WILL PUT MY NAME DOWN. I'LL MAKE A POINT TO BE DOWN. AND IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO JOIN, OF COURSE, YOU'RE WELCOME. BUT CERTAINLY CERTAINLY PUT MY NAME DOWN. AND I THINK YOU HAVE A SPOKESPERSON AT THE OTHER MEETINGS, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. AND ON THE. BOOTH AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. HOW DO YOU WANT TO HAVE A DO YOU TAKE A SIGN UP OR JUST WHAT DO YOU WHAT ARE YOU THINKING TO HELP COME IN AND AND MANN THAT BOOTH. WELL, I WAS GOING TO BE THERE AND I WAS GOING TO INVITE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WANTED TO COME OUT TO JUST LET ME KNOW AND I'LL BE GLAD TO GET YOU A TICKET AND YOU CAN AND COME OUT WHEN YOU CAN BE THERE. AND WHAT DO YOU IT'S JUST LAST. WELL, I KNOW THE LAST TIME A TIME FOR LAST YOU HAD AN INTERACTIVE TYPE SETUP. ARE YOU PLANNING ON OR JUST YOU YOU ARE YOU GOING YOU HAVE A I THINK YOU HAD LIKE PUT A PIN WHERE YOU'RE FROM AND, YOU KNOW, AND I [00:25:09] WAS GOING TO INVITE PEOPLE TO PUT STICKY NOTES UP ON WHAT THEY THINK IS IMPORTANT. WE'RE GOING TO SHARE YOU GO HAS INVITED US TO SHARE HIS TABLE SO WE'LL JUST BE THERE AND AND HAVE. THE TRIFOLD. FLIERS THAT WE MADE WILL HAVE SOME MAPS. WE'LL HAVE A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO PUT THEIR COMMENTS AND AND LOTS OF INFORMATION AS TO WHEN THE MEETINGS WILL BE. THAT'S GOOD. SO IF YOU WANT ME TO GET YOU A TICKET TO COME OUT THERE, JUST LET ME KNOW AND I'LL BE GLAD TO GET YOU ONE. OKAY. IS THAT AN AIR CONDITIONED BUILDING? IT IS. YES, IT IS. I THINK BOTH OF THEM I THINK THEY'RE BOTH AIR CONDITIONING WITH AIR CONDITIONING. OH, OKAY. OKAY. YOU COME AND I'LL BRING YOU SOME FRIED. OKAY. IS THAT FAIR? DO WE NEED TO BRING A CHAIR, TOO? IF YOU WANT TO SIT DOWN, YOU SHOULD BRING A CHAIR. OKAY. OREOS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS OR OUR BOOTH AT THE COUNTY FAIR? SO YOU'LL DISCUSS IT AT YOUR SEPTEMBER REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AT YOUR AUGUST REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS, SO YOU'LL BE BUSY NEXT MONTH. BUT AT YOUR SEPTEMBER MEETING, YOU'LL KIND OF HAVE YOUR KICKOFF. OKAY. SO I GUESS I'M THINKING THE FORMAT OR EXPECTATIONS OF THE MODERATOR ARE GOING TO BE DISCUSSED THEN OR WHAT? WELL, IT WILL IT WILL JUST DISCUSS AND AND TELL PEOPLE WHY WE'RE THERE AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND INVITE THEM TO. WHAT I'LL DO IS SOMEONE RECOMMENDED HAVING THE INTRODUCTION CHAPTER THERE. SO I'LL HAVE COPIES OF THE INTRODUCTION CHAPTER THERE FOR PEOPLE TO READ AND AS WELL AS THE TABLE OF CONTENTS AND, AND GET PEOPLE TO, AS THEY DID LAST TIME, TELL YOU WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM AND PUT UP, YOU KNOW, STICKY NOTES AS TO WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM. YOU OFTEN DON'T GET PEOPLE AT AT PUBLIC HEARINGS. EXCEPT TO EXPRESS WHAT THEY'RE NOT HAPPY WITH. SO YOU'D HOPE TO GET PEOPLE GET PEOPLE INTERESTED ENOUGH TO TELL YOU WHAT THEY DO WANT, WHAT WHAT THEY DO THINK THE COUNTY'S DOING WELL AND WHAT THEY LIKE THE COUNTY TO DO MORE OF BETTER AND. HAVE, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN PEOPLE AS TO WHAT THEY THINK. AND I THINK THAT'S WHY WE CALL THEM CONVERSATIONS. IT'S NOT A THE MODERATOR SAYING THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING. IT'S THE MODERATOR SAYING, HI, WE'RE HERE. THIS IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS AND WE'D LIKE YOU TO TELL US WHAT YOU FORESEE FOR SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY OVER THE NEXT DIRECTION. RIGHT. I WANT TO GO IN. YEAH. AND THEN I BELIEVE THE BEGINNING OF 2020 FOR SOME TIME. THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR IS GOING TO HAVE A PLANNING. MEETING WEEKEND DISCUSSION. WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO GET THEIR VIEWS OF. WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN THE COUNTY OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS. SO THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT CAN BE INCORPORATED INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS WELL. OKAY. IN A COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT OUR PURPOSE IS AT THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE THERE TO TO HEAR. HEAR PEOPLE'S COMMENTS OF WHAT THEY FORESEE OR WOULD LIKE TO SEE. AND UNLIKE MS.. LEWIS NOW, A LOT OF TIMES WE GET HERE IN THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE HEAR A LOT OF. I WOULD SAY OPPOSITION. WE NEED TO SEE NOW WHAT WHAT THEY EXPECT OR WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE OR. THAT TYPE OF THING. AND THAT'S WHY WE GO TO THE FAIR, BECAUSE YOU SEE PEOPLE AT THE FAIR THAT ARE NEVER GOING TO COME TO A PUBLIC HEARING. THEY WOULDN'T GO TO A PUBLIC HEARING IF IT WAS IN THEIR DRIVEWAY. BUT YOU SEE THEM AT THE FAIR. AND I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE WE'RE NOT WE DON'T MAKE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR PEOPLE MY AGE OR YOUR AGE. WE MAKE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE PERSON YOU'RE PUSHING IN THE STROLLER. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT WE WANT. [00:30:01] YOUR COMMENTS ON. WHAT DO YOU FORESEE FOR YOUR FAMILY OVER THE NEXT GENERATION AND WHAT WOULD KEEP YOU HERE IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY AND WHAT WILL KEEP YOUR CHILDREN HERE? ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YES, MA'AM. YOU WILL BE WITH US. I'LL BE THERE THE WHOLE TIME. SO YOU'RE OUR SAFETY PERSON, YOU KNOW. BUT, YOU KNOW, AMONG WHOEVER'S THERE, YOU KNOW, ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, PEOPLE RECOGNIZE YOU, YOU, YOUR NEIGHBORS AND PEOPLE YOU GO TO CHURCH WITH AND YOUR FRIENDS AND. WE CAN ASSIGN MODERATORS IF YOU WANT TO. OR. SHE WASN'T THERE IN OCTOBER IN HIS AREA. YEP. AND REVEREND LUCAS IS GOING TO BE THE MODERATOR AT HIS CHURCH AND MISS ALSTON THERE IN OCTOBER. AND MR. DAY SAYS HE'LL BE THERE WITH YOU OUT FRONT. SO ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO TO. COME TO ANY OF THE MEETINGS. WE CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO CALL FOR VOLUNTEERING. WELL, LIKE I SAY, IT'S OPEN TO ANYONE THAT WANTS TO COME AND VISIT. RIGHT. STILL? YEAH. THE MORE THE MERRIER. YEAH. RIGHT. LIKE I SAID, WE'RE THERE TO LISTEN AND TAKE NOTES. RIGHT BEFORE THEY HAD GOOD REFRESHMENTS THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE REFRESHMENTS. DO YOU WANT TO HAVE. I KNOW A COUPLE OF THE CHURCHES DID. THEY DID HAVE REFRESHMENTS? A FEW. I THINK THE LAST I THINK I'VE BEEN INVOLVED TWO OF THESE NOW, BUT I KNOW THE ONE TO DRILL. I REMEMBER THAT DISTINCTLY. THAT WAS IN A CHURCH. THEY HAD REFRESHMENTS. BUT ANYWAY. YEAH, BUT THEY'VE GOT A GROUP OF WOMEN WHO LIKE TO BAKE. AND I DON'T THINK THAT WAS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BECAUSE I'VE NEVER DONE A MEETING IN DREWRYVILLE WENT TO A CHURCH. IT MUST HAVE BEEN SOMETHING. WELL, MAYBE IT WAS BEFORE ME, BUT IT COULD HAVE. COULD HAVE BEEN. COULD HAVE BEEN. COULD HAVE BEEN A GOOD IDEA, THOUGH. WELL, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO WINE AND DINE PEOPLE TO GET THEIR ATTENTION. SHOULDN'T. IT'S NOT LIKE FARMERS EXPECTED SOME REFRESHMENTS. FARMERS WON'T GO TO A MEETING UNLESS YOU FEED THEM. YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT. SO. SO NATURALLY, I HAD TO SAY THAT MODERATING. SO NATURALLY I HAD TO SAY THAT I'M ON THE GO REGARDLESS. OKAY. WE WON'T DO IT IN THIS ROOM. I'LL BRING SOME. IT'LL BE PEANUT HALL. I'LL BRING SOME PEANUTS. HOW ABOUT THAT? OKAY. WE WON'T DO IT IN THIS ROOM BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE FOOD AND DRINK IN THIS ROOM. BUT MAYBE AT THE OTHER MEETINGS. OKAY, MISS LEWIS, WHIP UP SOME COOKIES TO GO DOWN THAT LIST. THE LAST ITEM IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN. IS THAT THE. THE LITTLE PAPER YOU FORMULATED AT THE LAST PREVIOUS MEETING? THE PROPERTY BEHIND THE RIVERDALE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL BEEN SOLD? YES. DO WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT? WELL, THAT'S GOOD. THAT'S GOOD. NEW BUSINESS FOR US IF YOU WANT TO TALK. IS IS ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT THE MEETINGS, THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS OR THE FIRE, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES. TO HELP FURTHER DISSEMINATE THIS INFORMATION. WILL IT BE ALL RIGHT IF I HAVE MY SECRETARY MAKE SOME COPIES TO SEND OUT TO THE CHURCH? WOULD YOU MIND? SURE. I'LL SEND YOU. I'LL SEND YOU THE WORD DOCUMENTS SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO SEND COPIES. OTHER CHURCHES IN CONTACTS THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THE COUNTY. SURE. ANY WAY THAT PEOPLE CAN GET IT OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AND SOME COMMUNITIES THAT PEOPLE GET A UTILITY BILL EVERY MONTH OR EVERY FEW MONTHS, YOU CAN PUT A FLIER LIKE THIS IN THAT. BUT SO WE CAN DISSEMINATE THIS HOWEVER YOU WANT. I CAN SEND IT OUT. I CAN SEND IT OUT TO YOU IN DIGITAL FORM SO YOU CAN MAKE AS MANY COPIES AS YOU WANT. THAT WOULD BE GOOD BECAUSE WE CAN LEAVE COPIES AT THE POST OFFICE. YEAH. WHERE EVERYBODY WALKS THROUGH. YOU KNOW WHAT? CAN I SAY THIS IF YOU WANT. IF WE WANTED TO PUT THE MEETING DATE OF OUR PARTICULAR AREA. IN OTHER WORDS, IF I HANDED THAT SUM IN NEWSOMS BECAUSE I PUT THE DATE, THE DATE AND TIME ON IT, IT'S ON THERE TO THE RIGHT. IT'S ALL IN THE TURQUOISE BOX. OKAY. OKAY. I NEED TO GET MY HIGHER POWER. YES. IT'S ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. OKAY, PERFECT. REFRESHMENTS. PERFECT. NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. WE'LL HAVE IT AT YOUR OFFICE, MR. RANDALL, AND YOU CAN SUPPLY THERE. ALL RIGHT. IF ANYTHING ELSE. IF NOT, WE WILL GO TO ITEM NUMBER SIX. [VI. NEW BUSINESS] AND IS THERE ANY NEW BUSINESS? AND I'M. I'M GOING TO START OFF, IF YOU DON'T MIND, MISS LEWIS. YOU SENT I. I HOPE I GOT THIS RIGHT. I THINK I GOT IT. DID I GET THIS AS AN EMAIL? NO, THIS WAS THIS WAS AN FYI IN YOUR PACKAGE ABOUT THE MEETING, ABOUT THE CSA. YES. OKAY. SO DO WE NEED TO ACT? IS THERE ANYTHING FOR US TO TALK ABOUT THIS? [00:35:04] CIPSA NEEDS TO INCREASE THE SIZE OF THEIR LANDFILL, AND THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS WANTS THEM TO FIND ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE. RIGHT? BECAUSE AT THE SITE THEY WOULD IMPACT WETLANDS. SO THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS LOOKED AT ABOUT 30 SITES IN THE AREA AND THEY SETTLED ON ONE ON FOUR 60 IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, JUST JUST AT THE FAR WESTERN END ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD. BUT AND THEY'RE REQUIRING CIPSA TO GO THROUGH THIS EXERCISE, TO VET THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. IT'S 300 ACRES. I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT LANDFILLS, SANITARY LANDFILLS REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REVIEWED BY THE BOARD, REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ADOPTED A RESOLUTION SEVERAL MONTHS AGO SAYING WE'RE NOT GOING TO GRANT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. SO THIS IS AN EXERCISE. OKAY, YOU'RE WELCOME TO GO TO THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT WILL BE HELD UP IN THE I-4 TOWN HALL LATER THIS MONTH. BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT THAT CIPSA WANTS TO STAY WHERE THEY ARE, RIGHT, BECAUSE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS ALREADY THERE. RIGHT. AND TO TAKE TRASH FROM VIRGINIA BEACH ALL THE WAY TO THE WESTERN PART OF HAMPTON COUNTY INCREASES EVERYONE'S COSTS TREMENDOUSLY AND PUTS TRAFFIC ON 460. THAT MAKES IT DANGEROUS. AND THAT AREA IS NOTED AS INDUSTRIAL ON YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND INDUSTRIAL LAND IS SUPPOSED TO BE JOB GENERATING AND YOU PUT A LANDFILL OUT THERE AND YOU HAVE CUT IT OFF FROM ANY USE FOR EMPLOYMENT GENERATION. BUT THE STRONGEST, THE STRONGEST HAMMER THAT SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY HAS IS IT REQUIRES THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FROM A GROUP THAT'S ALREADY SAID, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GRANT IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THESE MEETINGS ARE FORMALITY MANDATED BY LAW ESSENTIALLY RIGHT NOW. IF EVERYBODY DIDN'T KNOW IT, IT CAN LOOK, ABOUT THREE MONTHS AGO, THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF THAT ORGANIZATION CAME TO THE BOARD AND SAID HE WOULD NOT RECOMMEND TO HIS BOARD THAT IT WOULD GO IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. AND I WAS SO SHOCKED BY THAT. I ASKED HIM IF HE WOULD REPEAT IT, AND HE DID. SO THAT'S THE NEWS FROM THE CHAIRMAN OF THEIR BOARD. THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED, SHOULD NOT BE IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THAT'S GOING TO TAKE CARE OF ITSELF THEN. SO IS IT IS IT ANYTHING ELSE? ANYTHING. THE LAST THING WAS NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN AND THAT PIECE PROPERTY. MR. FOSSELLA'S PROPERTY HAS BEEN SOLD AND THEY HAVE SAID THEY'RE GOING TO DEVELOP IT AS THE PROFFERS THAT WERE APPROVED SEVERAL YEARS AGO ALLOW. SO THAT'S THREE POINT 1,000,000FT² OF LIGHT, INDUSTRIAL OR WAREHOUSING OR MANUFACTURING OR DID THEY GET ANY TYPE OF TIMELINE? NO. YEAH. WE HAD A THE DAY AFTER YOUR MEETING, I SPOKE TO MR. HECK, WHO CALLED THE FORMER PROPERTY OWNER AND THE FORMER PROPERTY OWNER WANTED TO PUT OFF MEETING WITH US UNTIL JULY 11TH, BUT THE PROPERTY WAS SOLD JUNE 28TH OR 29TH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO YOU GOT THE DEED THAT I SENT YOU, RIGHT? YES. WELL, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO GET CAPACITY UP AT THE SEWER. I REALLY THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE TRY OR AT LEAST IN THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS IT SAYS HOUSING NEEDS IS NUMBER TWO. OF TRYING TO FIND SOME AREA FOR HOUSING THAT WOULD MEET THAT GOAL. I THINK DOING ANYTHING ELSE WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE OF US. SO I THINK WE'VE KIND OF GOT TO. TALK TO THE COMMUNITY ABOUT IT AND TRY TO FIND SOME AREA THAT WHEN WE TALK TO PUBLIC WORKS. I MEAN, WHERE I MEAN, IT WAS DESIGNED FOR THAT PURPOSE. SO WE HAVE TO HAVE HOUSES AND NOT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL CONTAINERS. AND THAT'S A BIG SWATH NOW THAT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED. I'M SURE THE THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS, FOLKS ARE VERY DISTURBED, BUT. NATURALLY. SO I JUST THINK FROM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PERSPECTIVE, WE NEED TO FOCUS ON SOME RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S. [00:40:02] AN ACRE. I REMEMBER. YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER LISTENING TO THE DISCUSSION. OF THE FOSSELLA WHEN IT WAS RESIDENTIAL AND HE WANTED TO KIND OF PACK THEM IN. I THINK IT WAS THREE HOUSES PER ACRE, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS WAY TOO MUCH. HE WANTED 1200 RESIDENTS. SO, YEAH, YOU KNOW, AND I'M THINKING ACRE LOTS, BUT THAT'S JUST MY LIMITED KNOWLEDGE. TO TRY AND MAKE IT EASY FOR SOMEBODY THAT COMES IN THAT WANTS TO BECAUSE I'VE CALLED SEVERAL BUILDERS THAT I DO BUSINESS WITH. AND, YOU KNOW, THE INVENTORY IS VERY LOW. AND THE. MID-LEVEL OR NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT FAMILY HOUSING, I GUESS, IS WHAT I CALL IT. THERE IS A VERY LIMITED SUPPLY. AND I JUST THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO WITH WHETHER IT'S 200 ACRES, 300 ACRES IN THAT AREA THAT WILL MEET THE NEEDS THAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED. I MEAN, WHY WOULD WE DO IT ANYWHERE OTHER THAN THERE BEING THAT THERE'S INFRASTRUCTURE THERE? UM, AND NOW WE'VE, WE HAD GOOD INTENTIONS, I THINK. AND THEN IT KIND OF JUST SHOWS YOU. IT MAY BE THE BEST SPOT, BUT IT AIN'T GOING TO GO THERE, RIGHT? WELL, FOR EVERYBODY'S EDIFICATION, THE AS FAR AS WE KNOW, THE PARKWAY LAND WAS BOUGHT BY A CHINESE COMPANY. AND THEY PLAN TO MAKE IT A VERY HUGE STORAGE AREA. NOW, I THINK MOST OF US FEEL THAT THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE THERE. IT DOES VERY GOOD LITTLE FOR THE COUNTY AS FAR AS TAX JOBS. MAYBE 5 OR 6, EIGHT JOBS. YOU GET MOST OF OUR MONEY OFF MACHINERY TAXES. NO MACHINERY THERE. SO I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S A DONE DEAL. I CAN TELL YOU THAT A LOT OF US ON THE BOARD HAVE GONE TO OUR REPRESENTATIVES AND THE STATE AND NATIONAL LEVEL. AND WE WANT MORE INFORMATION ON THIS COMPANY. THIS COMPANY LOOKS LIKE IT'S A CHINESE COMPANY THAT CAME FROM CALIFORNIA. THEY HAVE THEIR PLANT IN CALIFORNIA UP FOR SALE FOR SOME REASON. AND, YOU KNOW, THE PHILOSOPHY AND MY PHILOSOPHY. AND I THINK IF YOU LOOK INTO IT, EVERY CHINESE COMPANY IS OWNED BY THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY. THAT'S IT. THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE. IT SPIT ON YOU DON'T SPIT ON THE GROUND IN CHINA WITHOUT THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY LETTING YOU DO IT. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE UP AGAINST. AND OF COURSE, THEY'RE NOT TOO FAR FROM THE BIGGEST NAVAL BASE IN THE WORLD. HAPPENS TO BE OUR NAVAL BASE. THEY HAVE A HABIT OF BUYING LAND NEAR A NAVAL BASE NEAR MILITARY INSTALLATIONS. THEY HAVE BOUGHT 400,000 ACRES OF FARMLAND IN THIS COUNTRY. UH, AS OF. THE FIRST OF THIS PAST MONTH, 71. THE GOVERNOR'S SAYING, I THINK WENT THROUGH THAT IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA. WE ARE NOT SELLING ANY MORE FARMLAND TO ANY CHINESE INTERESTS. AND THE FUNNY THING IS THEY CLOSED THE LAND DEAL ON THIS TWO DAYS BEFORE THAT WENT INTO EFFECT. SO, GENTLEMEN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE UP AGAINST. I THINK IT'S A VERY INAPPROPRIATE. THING TO DO. IT'S A COMPANY THAT I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE. I DON'T THINK ANY MOST OF US ON THE BOARD DON'T EITHER. AND I. I WONDER IF IT'D BE APPROPRIATE SOMETIME WE THINK ABOUT IT AND PUT IT ON THE ON THE AGENDA FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION, FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO COME UP WITH A FEELING ON THAT. SO IT'S GOING TO BE A DISASTER. IT'S GOING TO BE 1500 TRUCKS IN AND OUT OF THERE FOR 24 HOURS. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PREDICTING, NOT 500, 1500, NOT 150. AND YOU'VE GOT RESIDENTIAL AREAS THERE. YOU'VE GOT A SCHOOL THERE AND YOU'VE GOT A CHURCH OVER THERE. AND SO THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE ON THE WHOLE SITUATION WAY WE ON THE BOARD SEE IT. AND I CAN TELL YOU WE HAVE CONTACTED OUR REPRESENTATIVES AT THE LOCAL AND STATE AND NATIONAL LEVEL. TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THIS COMPANY AND WHAT WE CAN DO. AS FAR AS I KNOW, THEY ARE REGISTERED IN THE UNITED STATES AS AN ADVERSARIAL. [00:45:01] GROUP. WHEN YOU'RE FROM COMMUNIST CHINA OR WHEREVER YOU'RE FROM, YOU HAVE TO REGISTER. IS THAT AN THEY'RE REGISTERED. IS THAT. SO THAT'S WHAT SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY IS LOOKING AT. I MEAN, IT'S VERY DISCOURAGING TO ME. I'M. WE WENT ON THE BOARD. WE'VE KNOWN IT FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS AND. IT'S JUST REALLY TAKEN US BY SURPRISE. WE NEVER THOUGHT THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD HAPPEN. MS.. LEWIS CAN WE GET LIKE AN AERIAL OF THAT AREA TO DISCUSS FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT AS RESIDENTIAL? BECAUSE I THINK I MEAN. IT'S ZONED FOR THAT PURPOSE AND IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE. SO NOW WE NEED TO BE PROACTIVE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. TO MAKE SURE. THAT WERE PROTECTING THE COMMUNITY AS BEST AS WE CAN. AND I THINK THAT THAT AREA IS GOING TO CHANGE. BUT ARE WE JUST GOING TO I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. OKAY. THEY'RE NOT BUYING IT TO I MEAN, THEY'RE BUYING IT FOR THAT PURPOSE AND THAT. AND THAT WAS A POLICY DECISION THAT HAPPENED YEARS AGO. THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS AGAINST IT. THE BOARD APPROVED IT. I WROTE IT AGAINST IT. OKAY. DR. EDWARDS WON ON THE VOTE. I REMEMBER IT WAS A VERY POLITICAL TOPIC, BUT. BUT WE HAVE TO TAKE STEPS. AS SOON AS POSSIBLE TO WHAT WE BELIEVE WOULD BE THE BEST USE. SO WE CAN'T CHANGE IT. SO NOW WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHAT WE HAVE AND THE ZONING. THE ZONING NOW IS INDUSTRIAL. THE ZONING IS CONDITIONAL AND ONE. SO IF THEY WERE TO COME INTO TOMORROW WITH A SITE PLAN, I AGREE. BUT I THINK FOR THE SURROUNDING AREAS, WE CAN CHANGE SOME OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND I THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT AS SOON AS PRACTICABLE. SO THAT IS THAT IS SMART AND WE NEED TO DISCUSS IT. AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE ONE OF THE TOP ISSUES. AND IT'S NUMBER TWO LISTED TO DISCUSS THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, THE AREA IS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO CHANGE, BUT WE CAN TAKE STEPS. TO HELP MAKE SHOULD I EXPLAINED IT ON? YES. THE FUNNY THING. THAT'S HISTORY. THE SIX MONTHS AGO, YOU COULDN'T GIVE THAT PLACE AWAY. MM. ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS SOLD FOR $11.4 MILLION, WHICH AMOUNTS TO $26,206 PER ACRE. SOMEBODY WANTED IT PRETTY BAD. WELL, WHAT? HOW DO YOU GET INTO THAT PROPERTY? WHERE IS THE INGRESS AND EGRESS? DELAWARE ROAD SPLITS IT. SO IT'S ON BOTH SIDES OF DELAWARE ROAD ON THE NORTH SIDE OF CAMP PARKWAY. OKAY. AND THE REASON I WAS ASKING IS THINKING OF THE POSITION OF THE CHURCH AND THE SCHOOL AND AN AREA THAT KIND OF SEPARATES THIS PARCEL FROM THE RESIDENTIAL PART AND THE PART THAT WE REALLY DON'T WANT 1500 TRUCKS PASSING IN FRONT OF THE CHURCH OR THE THE SCHOOL OR JUST HOW IF THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S INEVITABLE. I BELIEVE WITH MR. RANDALL'S COMMENTS, IT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT HOW TO PROTECT WHAT IS ALREADY THERE, PROTECT THE FAMILIES THAT LIVE. ADJACENT TO THAT SCHOOL AND ADJACENT TO THE CHURCH. THAT'S THE WHOLE PROBLEM. THAT'S VERY WORRISOME TO EVERYBODY. IT'S TOTALLY OUT OF PLACE. IT HAS DOES NOT FIT IN THERE AT ALL. IT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING SUFFOLK WOULD DO. AND SINCE THERE ARE NO THROUGH TRUCKS IN FRANKLIN, THEY ALL HAVE TO GO OUT TO SOUTHAMPTON PARKWAY. AND MAYBE MISS LEWIS COULD CALL IN AND EXPOUND UPON IT. BUT MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT THAT THING HAD SOME SUBSTANTIAL PROFFERS AS APPROVED. I MEAN, YOU CAN'T GET AROUND THE TRUCK TRAFFIC, BUT I THINK IT REQUIRES BERMS ALL THE WAY AROUND AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS, IT'S PROFFERED PRETTY HEAVILY. RIGHT. THEN YOU HAVE A NOISE ISSUE. IF THERE ARE 1500 TRUCKS, 24 HOURS A DAY COMING DOWN CAMP PARKWAY, THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THOSE HOUSES ARE GOING TO HEAR THIS. THESE LARGE TRUCKS COMING THROUGH ALL THE TIME. I MEAN, TALKING ABOUT DESTROYING THE TRANQUILITY OF A NEIGHBORHOOD OF A OF AN AREA THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED IN A IN [00:50:07] A MUCH DIFFERENT FASHION. WELL, THAT WAS ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE THERE WAS A I REMEMBER THERE WAS A LOT OF OPPOSITION BECAUSE OF THE NOISE AND THE TRAFFIC AND SUCH. BUT ANYWAY, IT GOT IT GOT APPROVED. AND LIKE I SAID, I DO REMEMBER IT WAS A LOT OF STIPULATIONS PROFFERS MADE. BUT ANYWAY, I TOO AGREE WITH MR. RANDALL. THERE'S STILL A LOT OF OTHER PROPERTIES. ADJACENT NEAR OR WHATEVER. AND WE OUGHT TO GET A HANDLE ON THAT AS WE SEE HOW THE PROCEEDINGS GO WITH THIS COMPANY. I DON'T KNOW WHY I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT WOULD LEAD, BUT I'M I APPRECIATE THE ONES THAT ARE TAKING THE INITIATIVE TO LOOK INTO IT WITHOUT HAVING BERMS AND SOME SORT OF BUFFERS. THE ADJACENT PROPERTY IS NOT GOING TO BE. AS ATTRACTIVE TO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO FIND A HOUSE OR LIVE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY SETTING UP TO HAVE PROBLEMS, TO HAVE ISSUES THAT ARE NOT CONDUCIVE TO A NICE FAMILY LIFE. WELL, LET ME LET ME GIVE AN EXAMPLE. IF AND I THINK MOST EVERYONE WILL REMEMBER WHEN THERE WAS AN APPLICATION FOR SHADYBROOK. OKAY. REMEMBER THAT AND THE COMMUNITY FROM QUITE FAR DISTANCE OPPOSED IT. IT HAD PERFECT ACCESS. ALL THE STUDIES CAME BACK IS AN APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR TRUCKING, FOR THE INDUSTRIAL TYPE THINGS. IT WAS A SMALLER SCALE. COMMUNITY CAME OUT, SAID, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. BASICALLY NOT IN MY BACKYARD. WELL, THEN IT SHIFTED ACROSS THE ROAD. AND LOOK WHAT WE HAVE, RIGHT? THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO GET THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND BE AHEAD OF THE. NO, NO, NO. SO WE DO IT BECAUSE SOMEONE THAT LIVES CLOSE IS ALWAYS GOING TO SAY, NOT IN MY BACKYARD. SO IT'S OUR JOB TO MAKE. TOUGH DECISIONS TO SAY THIS IS APPROPRIATE BECAUSE IT'S COMMON BECAUSE WE MAY NOT LIKE THE HOUSING. BECAUSE IT DOESN'T PAY FOR ITSELF, AS DR. EDWARDS SAID, THE LAST. BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE IT AND IT HAS TO BE SOMEWHAT AFFORDABLE TO HAVE THE STUDENTS FOR THE SCHOOLS, ETCETERA, AND TO KEEP DIVERSITY IN OUR AGE BRACKETS FOR A THRIVING COMMUNITY. SO THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO BE PROACTIVE. AND DR. EDWARDS TALKED ABOUT SUFFOLK AND SEE. WE'RE EITHER GOING TO BE PROACTIVE OR WE'RE GOING TO BE REACTIVE. SO I THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S SO VITAL THAT WE. YOU KNOW, STAY REALISTIC ABOUT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND TRY WHETHER WE'RE MITIGATING, WHETHER WE'RE GETTING THE PUBLIC COMMENTS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GET THE PUBLIC COMMENTS TO KIND OF SEE THE WAY THE WAY THE WIND IS BLOWING. BECAUSE WHEN WE KIND OF STARTED THIS, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THE RIGHT AREA WAS. SO THAT'S WHY WE LISTENED TO PUBLIC WORKS, YOU KNOW, WHERE IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE? AND I THINK THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. AND THEN WE GO FROM THERE. BUT WE'VE GOT THIS. WHETHER IT WAS THE POLITICS OF IT OR THE PROCEDURAL NATURE OF IT, IT'S THERE. NOW WE'VE GOT TO DEAL WITH IT. I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE PROFFERS ARE, BECAUSE THAT ALSO WILL. GIVE US MAYBE SOME GUIDANCE AS TO HOW TO PROCEED WITH MAYBE SOME PROTECTIVE ZONES OR RESTRICTED ZONES OR HOW TO CREATE AN AREA THAT SEPARATES THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY FROM FROM THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY. WELL, THEY'VE INVESTED, WHAT, $11 MILLION. SO THAT PROJECT IS EITHER GOING TO EXPAND OR WE'RE GOING TO RESTRICT IT. IT'S ONE OF THE TWO. SO THAT'S MY MINDSET THAT. RESIDENTIAL HOUSING SHOULD GO AROUND. IT MAKES YOU WONDER WHY THEY'RE SELLING. THEY'RE SELLING THEIR PLACE IN CALIFORNIA. WELL, LIVERMORE, CALIFORNIA IS WHERE THEY HAVE THEIR HOME BASE THAT'S ON REALLY LOOK AT THE REAL ESTATE. THAT WAY YOU PULL THAT UP, THAT'S FOR SALE. IT LISTS ALL THE AMENITIES, WHAT THEY HAVE AND HOW NICE IT IS. [00:55:04] WHAT DO THEY DO? I DON'T BLAME THEM GETTING OUT OF CALIFORNIA. SO WHAT IS IT THAT THAT THEY DO? IS IT JUST A STORAGE? IT'S WAREHOUSE. IT'S A WAREHOUSE. WAREHOUSING. OKAY. OKAY. VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU HAVE IN SUFFOLK. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HE WAS INVOLVED. WHAT GOES ON? ME. I SAID KEEP US INFORMED. I WILL. AND LIKE I SAID, I THINK PLANNING COMMISSION. WE MIGHT NOT GET ANYWHERE, BUT WE COULD. WE COULD EXPRESS OUR OPINION. I THINK IT'S TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE. THING TO DO. AND AS FAR AS BEING A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, I DO NOT SEE SHOULDERING UP TO THE COMMUNIST CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY. SOONER OR LATER WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE THEM ON. AND THE ONLY WAY THIS COUNTRY IS GOING TO START IS AT THE GRASSROOTS LEVEL, AND THAT'S HERE. I MEAN, THEY'VE GOT COME ACROSS OUR SOUTHERN BORDER. THEY ESTIMATE THERE ARE 16,000 CHINESE NATIONALS THAT HAVE COME ACROSS THE BORDER. THEY HAVE NOT BEEN SCREENED. YOU KNOW, LORD KNOWS WHAT WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO. MAYBE IT WILL BE FINE PEOPLE. PROBABLY 99% OF THEM WILL BE FINE PEOPLE. BUT IF WE GET INTO CONFLICT WITH CHINA, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? ARE THEY GOING TO BE SABOTEURS? AND WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT CHINA IS WOULD LIKE TO BURY US, NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. EXCUSE ME. I'LL SEND THE INFORMATION THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THIS SITE OUT TO YOUR COUNTY, EMAIL THE PROFFERS AND THE SITE PLANS, AND I'LL SEND THAT OUT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS SO YOU CAN SEE. OKAY. REFRESH YOUR MINDS. ABOUT WHY CHINA OWNS 400,000 ACRES OF FARMLAND IN THIS COUNTRY ALREADY. I JUST READ THOSE STATISTICS TODAY TO BE PREPARED TONIGHT. 400,000 ACRES. MR. RAEL, IS THAT I MEAN, AT THIS POINT, OUR HANDS ARE KIND OF TIED TO THE NEXT STEP. I MEAN, WOULD YOU SAY THAT'S THAT'S NOTHING ELSE? NOTHING ELSE THIS GROUP AT THIS POINT CAN DO TO ALTER ANYTHING, RIGHT? THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE PREVIOUS REZONING. AS LONG AS THEY AS THEY MEET THE SATISFY THE PROFFERS AND THEY PRESENT A SITE PLAN CONSISTENT WITH THOSE. I DON'T KNOW OF ANYTHING THAT THIS THIS THIS GROUP OR THE BOARD CAN DO AND PROFFERS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN GOES WITH THE LAND AND NOT THE OWNER. SO IT TRANSFERS FROM ONE OWNER TO THE NEXT, CORRECT? YES, SIR. YEAH. YEAH. AND I'M JUST TALKING OUT LOUD. AND THAT IS THAT'S THE CONSENSUS. I HADN'T I HADN'T TAKEN A STRAW VOTE, BUT IT IT WOULD PROBABLY BE IMPROPER. UH, FOR THIS BOARD TO SEND A RESOLUTION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THAT WE WOULD STILL I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE IN ORDER. I DON'T THINK I, I DON'T THINK SO. I DON'T. YOU GOT A POSITIVE THAT IT WOULD BE IMPROPER OR NOT, BUT I WOULDN'T I WOULDN'T SUGGEST IT ON A DEAL OF THAT MAGNITUDE. IT COULD. WHY NOT? THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IS GOING TO GO PUBLIC THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA WITH THIS. WE'RE GOING TO GO ALL THE WAY WITH THIS. WE FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT THAT. WELL, IF YOU FEEL SO STRONGLY, WHY DON'T YOU REZONE IT BACK TO RESIDENTIAL? BUT AN APPLICATION IN THIS MONTH? IT'S KIND OF FUNNY. YOU KNOW, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, BOOM, THIS HAPPENS. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW. SOMEBODY GET SOMEBODY TO HEAR THAT OR NOT OR, YOU KNOW, IT MAKES YOU WONDER, DOESN'T IT? MAKES YOU WONDER. BUT I THINK THIS BOARD SHOULD TAKE A STAND. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT THIS BOARD IS ABOUT. AND IF IF YOU DON'T WANT TO TAKE A STAND, THAT'S FINE. BUT YOU'RE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IS GOING TO TAKE SOME SORT OF STAND. WELL, WE TOOK A STAND THE FIRST TIME. WE DID. WE DID. WE'RE NOT CHANGING. WE'RE NOT CHANGING OUR POSITION. I JUST WONDER IF IT WAS YOU COULD WE COULD REITERATE THAT, YOU KNOW, HISTORY IS YES. WE SAID NO TO BEGIN WITH IN THE YEAR OR SO. AND SO. I THINK THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BE VERY APPROPRIATE. THAT NEEDS TO GET OUT IN THE PUBLIC. [01:00:09] IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, THEN DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT IT ONCE IT HAPPENS. I THINK I THINK WE ALL AGREE, NO MATTER WHO PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, THAT THAT'S THAT'S NOT THE BIG ISSUE. I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST THE IDEA, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE MORE OF A SETTING FOR RESIDENTIAL. IF IT CAN'T IF IT CAN'T BE A COTTON FIELD, WHICH I PREFER, BUT THE NEXT THE NEXT USE FOR THAT, THAT SETTING IS NATURALLY, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE FIRST TIME. THE APPLICATION WAS MADE, I THINK. I THINK IT WAS JUST IT WAS IT WAS TWO OVERCOMING. I MEAN, WE WEREN'T. WE WANT A CUSTOM. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THE COUNTY WITH THAT MUCH CONDENSED HOUSING AND THAT ON THAT SITE. ON THAT PARTICULAR. ACREAGE. THAT WAS A LOT. THAT VILLAGE OF SOUTHAMPTON WAS A AND WE SAW ANYBODY THAT WENT ON THAT FIELD TRIP TO NEWPORT NEWS. YOU KNOW, WE WENT TO SEE ONE OF HIS PROPERTIES HE HAD JUST FINISHED COMPLETELY BUILT OUT. AND IT WAS IT WAS RATHER TIGHT, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS HOUSES ON TOP OF THE HOUSE. WE JUST DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS SUITABLE. BUT I WISH WE COULD HAVE WORKED OUT SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY. THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS NOT. TO HELP. GIVE US A BUFFER FROM PEOPLE WHO FROM TIDEWATER DON'T COME HERE. THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS TO FILL THIS UP WITH RETIREES FROM NEW YORK, NEW JERSEY, AND IN THAT AREA THEY HAD A MARKET FOR THAT AT THAT POINT. RIGHT. AND THAT MARKET KIND OF FELL THROUGH. SO IT WASN'T TO RELIEVE ANY HOUSING SITUATION FROM TIDEWATER, PEOPLE WANTING TO COME HERE. THAT WAS THE MAIN OPPOSITION I THINK OF. A LOT OF PEOPLE AT THAT TIME. I JUST THINK WE'RE VENTING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENED. THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT. I MEAN, NOT I MEAN, I THINK WE GOT TO MOVE ON AND WE GOT TO DEAL WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. LOOK AT IT AND MAKE A WISE CHOICE AROUND THAT AREA. BEEN PASSED AND APPROVED BY THE BOARD. AND THAT'S JUST WHERE WE'RE AT. I MEAN, UNTIL A SITE PLAN IS FILED, IS IT ANY WOULD THERE BE ANYTHING WRONG WITH US CONTINUING IN THE SAME DIRECTION ON A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH THAT PARTIAL. CHANGING THAT YOU KNOW UNTIL I SITE PLAN HAS BEEN CHANGED. I MEAN ALL THIS IS RIGHT NOW UNTIL A SITE PLAN COMES IN AND THEY START SPENDING MONEY, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE 15 YEARS. WELL, IT WOULD BE A WAY FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO EXPRESS THEIR OPINION BY CONTINUING WITH WHAT WE THOUGHT. AND THEY SAY THAT COMPANY MIGHT RUN INTO A SNAG AND THEY SAY IT MIGHT BE 15 YEARS BEFORE IT'S CHANGED. WE GO AHEAD AND SEND THE MESSAGE THAT LIKE RESIDENTIAL. BACK THERE? YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A ONE AVENUE OF PROTEST TO CONTINUE, LIKE YOU SAY, WITH THAT PLAN AND PUT IT THROUGH, SOMETHING COMES ACROSS THE DESK. VERY GOOD THOUGHT. AND THAT IS CORRECT. I THINK IT'S SMART TO THINK THAT SOMEONE THAT'S INVESTING $11 MILLION IS GOING TO ACT SOMETIME WITHIN A REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME, THOUGH I THINK THAT'S JUST BUSINESS, COMMON SENSE. AND WE COULD TAKE A DIFFERENT POSITION. BUT I THINK IT'S IT'S. I MEAN, IT'S APPROVED. THEY'VE INVESTED 11 OVER $11 MILLION. I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING HAPPENING WITHIN A REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME. I WOULD AGREE WITH WITH MR. RANDALL, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, I'M JUST UNAWARE OF ANY LEGAL RECOURSE THIS BOARD OR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WOULD HAVE. I MEAN, AS LONG AS THEY FOLLOW, FOLLOW THE APPROVED REQUIREMENTS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW OF ANY RECOURSE YOU HAVE. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANKS. THANKS FOR EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS. AND WE'LL WE'LL SEE HOW THIS PLAYS OUT AS WE GO FORWARD. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT MATTER? I'LL KEEP YOU ALL POSTED ON WHAT'S GOING ON. MOUTH TO MOUTH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, THIS LAST CALL, WE'RE GOING DON'T DON'T GET UP AND LEAVE YET. [01:05:01] WE STILL HAVE A SHORT MEETING ON OUR ADVISORY COMMITTEE, BUT IF THERE'S NO OTHER NEW BUSINESS. I'LL. I'LL ACCEPT A MOTION TO ADJOURN. MOTION TO ADJOURN. IT HAS SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. WE WILL ADJOURN THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. AND NOW WE WILL CALL THE ADVISORY. AGRICULTURE AND FORESTRY DISTRICT ADVISORY COMMITTEE INTO SESSION. AND MRS. LEWIS, AGAIN, I'M GOING TO LET YOU READ THE MOTION, PLEASE. DO YOU RECALL THAT THIS PROCESS TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO A VOLUNTARY AGRICULTURE DISTRICT, REQUIRES THIS BODY TO ACT ONCE AS THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO YOURSELF NEXT MONTH AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THE NEXT MONTH YOU'LL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND YOU'LL PASS IT ON TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. IN THIS CASE, IT'S AN APPLICATION BY FRANCIS WHITMIRE, WHO IS THE OWNER. HE'S SEEKING TO REMOVE 26.27 ACRES FROM THE RIVERDALE VOLUNTARY AGRICULTURE AND FORESTRY DISTRICT. IT'S A PORTION OF TAX PARCEL 106 DASH 15 FOR AND IT'S 33 180 SCHOOLHOUSE ROAD IN FRANKLIN. HE PLANS TO OPERATE. HE WOULD LIKE TO OPERATE A BORROW PIT ON THIS PROPERTY. SO HE NEEDS TO REMOVE IT IT FROM THE VOLUNTARY AGRICULTURE DISTRICT. THAT ZONING DESIGNATION IS A ONE THAT PERMITS A BORROW PIT WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. SO I EXPECT IF THIS REQUEST IS APPROVED TO REMOVE IT FROM THE VOLUNTARY AGRICULTURE DISTRICT, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION WILL FOLLOW. EXCUSE ME. THE THE RIVERDALE VOLUNTARY AGRICULTURE DISTRICT IS IT'S IN HERE SOMEWHERE ALMOST 5000 ACRES OF LAND. THIS IS 26 ACRES. MR. WHITMIRE PUT THIS PROPERTY INTO THE VOLUNTARY AGRICULTURE DISTRICT IN 2018 AS PART OF AN APPLICATION WITH OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS. THAT APPLICATION TOTALED 2040 ACRES. SO HE'S HE'S REQUESTING TO REMOVE THIS. IN HIS ORIGINAL APPLICATION. HE NOTED THAT IT WAS I BELIEVE I PUT THAT IN HERE THAT IT WAS VERY SANDY SOIL. THE LAND IS CURRENTLY BEING USED FOR A COW PASTURE. THERE'S A CROP ALLOTMENT ON THIS LAND. PART OF THIS LAND IS ALSO A TREE FARM. SO IT'S NOT IN AGRICULTURE USE, IT'S A TREE FARM AND A COW PASTURE. OKAY. WELL, IF EVERYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY, IT'S OUT. SCHOOLHOUSE ROAD, CORRECT? SCHOOLHOUSE ROAD, JUST EAST OF THE SOUTH SIDE OF SMITH'S FERRY. RIGHT CLOSER. HIS ACTUALLY PROPERTY IS CLOSER TO THE 258 68 SCHOOLHOUSE. UM, I'LL MAKE A COMMENT. I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN OUT AND VISITED THE LANDOWNER, AND OF COURSE, I'M ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT THE FARMLAND. OF COURSE. BUT BUT IN THIS CASE. AS MRS MRS LEWIS ALLUDED TO A COUPLE OF TIMES, IT'S REALLY SANDY. I MEAN, IT'S JUST MICHAEL, IT'S LIKE WHAT I CALL DEAD SAYING. IT'S JUST NOT REALLY SUITABLE. EVEN WITH IRRIGATION, I DON'T THINK. I DON'T THINK IT WOULD HOLD THE NUTRIENTS. AND I TOLD, I'M SPEAKING TO YOU BECAUSE NOT ONLY DO YOU FARM, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE A GRAVEL PIT PROBABLY DOWN THE ROAD A FEW MORE MILES, BUT ACTUALLY DOES A BORROW PIT RIGHT BEHIND THE PROPERTY OR ANOTHER PROPERTY OWNERS ON ANOTHER PROPERTY, ANOTHER PROPERTY OWNER, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT, YES. SO SO IT'S JUST IT'S THE FORMATION OF THE SOIL IN THAT AREA. AND AND I'LL GIVE HIM 100. HE'S TRIED TO ESTABLISH I CALL IT BERMUDA GRAY WHILE GRAY BERMUDA GRAYS. AND HE WAS TRYING TO RAISE A FEW COWS ON IT. BUT WHEN I WENT, IT WAS KIND OF DRY. AND ANYWAY, HE JUST HE'S COME UP WITH THE IDEA HE WANTS TO TAKE A PORTION OF IT, NOT THE WHOLE PROPERTY THAT I THINK MOST OF IT IS OPEN. I DON'T THINK HE'S THINKING ABOUT CLEARING ANY LAND. THEY SAID NOT OPEN. IT'S LIKE AN OPEN PASTURE. HE'S GOT IT FENCED IN AND IT'S KIND OF BEHIND HIS RESIDENCE AS A BUFFER ZONE BETWEEN THE PROPOSED BORROW PIT AND HIS HOUSE. AND I'M ASSUMING I SAY ASSUMING I THINK HE'S PLANNING ON USING THE SAME DRIVEWAY THAT GOES BY HIS HOUSE AND BARN, TOO, TO APPROACH. THE PROPOSED PIT IN THE BACK. [01:10:04] HE'S GOT TO HAVE A SITE PLAN, DOESN'T HE? WELL, WE WERE JUST TALKING. WE WERE TALKING OUT LOUD. SO. YES. BUT ANYWAY. EXCUSE ME. ARE YOU SAYING THIS IS POOR FARMLAND? THIS IS VERY, VERY POOR FARMLAND. OKAY. IT'S VERY POOR. THIS IS A UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCE, YOU KNOW, TO FIND 23 ACRES. BUT IT'S JUST IT'S JUST REALLY INSANE. I MEAN, THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST IF I HAD TO SAY IT'S PROBABLY THE BEST USE OF OF THAT LAND IS IS THE MINE IS SAYING I MEAN HOW TO SAY IT BUT IF IT MEETS THOSE FOUR AREAS OF CRITERIA. RIGHT. IF YOU ALL THINK IT MEETS THAT AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOT TO CRITIQUE SO FAR, IS THE USE OF THE LAND AND THE WITHDRAWAL. I GUESS I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF IT IF YOU THINK IT MEETS THOSE FOUR CRITERIA AND THOSE CRITERIA ARE THE PROPOSED NEW LAND USE WILL NOT HAVE A SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT ON AGRICULTURAL OR FORESTRY OPERATIONS ON LAND WITHIN THE DISTRICT. AND THE PROPOSED NEW LAND USES CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND THE PROPOSED LAND USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PUBLIC INTEREST OF THE COUNTY AND THAT IT PROMOTES THE HEALTH, SAFETY OR GENERAL WELFARE OF THE COUNTY RATHER THAN ONLY THE PROPRIETARY INTEREST OF THE OWNER. AND THE PROPOSED LAND USE WAS NOT ANTICIPATED BY THE OWNER AT THE TIME THE LAND WAS PLACED IN THE DISTRICT AND THERE HAS BEEN A CHANGE IN CIRCUMSTANCES SINCE THAT TIME. SO SINCE IT SINCE A BORROW PIT IS A PERMITTED USE WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND THE A ONE ZONING DISTRICT. AND THIS PROPERTY HAS AGRICULTURE, FORESTRY, OPEN SPACE AND RURAL RESIDENTIAL PLAN DESIGNATION. IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BECAUSE IT IS CONSIDERED AN AGRICULTURAL USE BY THE ZONING ORDINANCE. I ALSO TALKED TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, MR. WIDMAIER, AND I'M AFTER TALKING TO HIM AND SEEING THE IT KIND OF MEETS ALL THE CRITERIA. I'M ALSO FOR IT. AND I AND I REMIND THIS BOARD, IF IT WAS A LOAMY SOIL, IF THE SOIL TYPE WAS PERMITTING TO PRODUCTION OF CROPS OR GOOD PASTURE LAND, I MUST SAY I PROBABLY WOULD BE I MAY HAVE OBJECTION TO IT, BUT DUE TO THE BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE THE 26 ACRES. MR. MAYOR, MAY I ASK YOU HOW MANY HOW MANY ACRES YOU HAVE ON YOUR YOUR BORROW PIT PERMITTED OR UNPERMITTED? I MEAN, 26 SECONDS. I WAS GETTING RIGHT TO ASK HOW MANY MORE ACRES HE GOT AROUND THAT. WELL, ALL RIGHT. NOW AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THIS, THE STORY THAT HE SHARED WITH ME, BECAUSE I CALLED HIM, TOLD HIM TO COME AND LOOK AT THE SITE. NOW, HE HIS HIS INTENTION THAT HE SHARED WITH ME WAS THAT HE'S PLANNING ON PURCHASING A SMALL EXCAVATOR AND A DUMP TRUCK. AND HE SAID IF A FARMER OR LANDSCAPER WANTED TO COME IN AND GET A LOAD OF SAND THAT HE WOULD LOAD YOU AND. FIGURE DON'T REALLY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT SCALES, BUT I DON'T THINK HE'S LOOKING AT A COMMERCIAL ASPECT LIKE YOU, LIKE YOU ALL HAVE. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LIKE. ARE REALLY HUGE OPERATION. IT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY MUCH A ONE MAN. SO HE WANTS MR. WINDMILLS AND IS IN THE CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS, CORRECT? YEAH. SO HE'S LOOKING AT LIKE A SECONDARY INCOME. IF HE IF SOMEONE CALLS AND WANTS A LOAD OF SAND DELIVERED, HE'LL JUST DUMP TRUCK AND HE'LL BRING IT TO YOU. THAT'S THE ASSUMPTION I GOT FROM THE CONVERSATION. SO YOU HAVE TO DECIDE, THOUGH, ON THE WORST CASE SCENARIO, THOUGH, IS THE WORST CASE SCENARIO. HE DOES A FULL JOB. OKAY. OR NOT? WELL, I THINK ON THIS MEETING, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT WITHDRAWING THE ACRES. I THINK THAT WOULD COME INTO CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. THAT'S CORRECT. THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WOULD HAVE THE STANDARD. THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD PUT OUR STIPULATIONS. HOW BIG, HOW MUCH? ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS. HE'S ONLY ASKING TO TAKE 26 ACRES OUT RIGHT NOW. OR HOW MANY ACRES DID HE PUT IN? WELL, HIM AND A GROUP OF OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS PUT IN OVER 2000 ACRES. I KNOW THAT. I KNOW THAT. BUT HOW MANY? HIS HIS TRACK WAS 80. ABOUT 71. 80 OR 90 ACRES. I REMEMBER READING. IT'S IN THE APPLICATION. IT WAS 71. BUT YOU MIGHT BE RIGHT. MIGHT BE 71. CORRECT. HE'S IN THE CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS NOW. BUT AT WHAT LEVEL? ONE MAN OPERATION, AND HE DOES ROOFS. HE DOES. HE SUBCONTRACTS THE ROOFS OUT TO ANOTHER COMPANY, I BELIEVE. BUT YEAH, MOST OF HIS STUFF IS LIKE REMODEL, LIKE REALLY CUSTOM TYPE STUFF. [01:15:01] IT'S JUST HIM AND A HELPER. SOUNDS LIKE HE WANTS A PORN BAND. AS I WAS THINKING, A POND 71.27. THAT'LL MAKE A POND. YEAH, THAT'LL MAKE A POND. POND. AND I'VE KNOWN PEOPLE THAT THEY WANT A POND. SO THEY. THEY OFFERED TO GIVE THE DIRT AWAY AND JUST CHARGE FOR FREIGHT. AND THE STATE DIDN'T BUY THAT, SO THEY COULDN'T ACCOMPLISH THAT GOAL, SO. SO I GUESS HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH THE HOOPS AS WELL. GOING TO THE STATE. AND I USED TO BE CALLED THE DIVISION OF MINERAL MINES AND ENERGY. I THINK THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR NAME. NOW. HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT A LONG TIME FOR A POND AT POND TEN FEET DEEP. ONE ACRE IS THOUSAND HUNDRED LOADS OF SAND. AND AND SAND IS NOT. ALWAYS GOOD, SAYING THERE'S DIFFERENT QUALITIES OF SAYING SO. AND IF HE'S IN THE VICINITY WHERE LARRY BRIAN IS, THERE WAS A CONTRACTOR THAT LEFT THAT AREA BECAUSE IT WAS TOO FAR. SO. I DON'T KNOW. IT SOUNDS LIKE A LONG RANGE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE AN EXCAVATOR. AND. AND. AND LOCAL PEOPLE GO IN AND GET DIRT. MR. WHITMIRE CHOSE TO WAIT TO SUBMIT HIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION UNTIL HE SAW WHETHER THIS WITHDRAWAL FROM THE VOLUNTARY AGRICULTURE DISTRICT WAS GOING TO BE APPROVED. BECAUSE THIS APPLICATION WAS $500, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION IS ANOTHER $1,000. BUT IF THIS WASN'T GOING TO BE APPROVED AT SOME POINT, THERE WASN'T ANY REASON TO PAY FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION. SO THIS IS RIGHT. 26 ACRES OF. WHAT MR. DRAKE SAYS IS PRETTY MUCH SAYING IS THIS IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS 80 SOME ACRES? NO, IT'S UP BY THE ROAD. IT'S KIND OF IT'S BEHIND HIS HOUSE. IT'S BEHIND HIS HOUSE. IT'S ON THE I'M GOING TO CALL IT THE BACK PART OF HIS PARCEL. THE TITLE TRACK IS 71 THE MAP. I MEAN, MR. LIU WAS A GOOD JOB. THE MAP, IT'S PRETTY DESCRIPTIVE. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF IN THE I MEAN, IT GOES RIGHT WITH YOUR PROPERTY LINE THE BACK. SO RIGHT NOW HE'S GOT IT. HE'S PRETTY MUCH FENCED IN. HE'S GOT HE HAD A COW OR TWO AND MAYBE SOME GOATS MAYBE. AND I WAS THERE. BUT IT'S REALLY, UM, IT'S TRITE TO SAY I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY IT. IT MUST MEAN I DON'T KNOW THE QUANTITY. I KNOW THERE'S DIFFERENT GRADES OF SAYING, BUT, UM. I KNOW IT'S NOT CONDUCIVE TO RAISING ROW CROPS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL NEED MORE INFORMATION, IF YOU WANT TO GO OUT AND VISIT THE SITE. I MEAN, I THINK MISS LEWIS DID A GREAT JOB OF PRESENTING THE APPLICATION. AND I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THIS COMMITTEE, OKAY. THIS PRELIMINARY AND SEND IT ON TO THE NEXT MEETING TO THE THE PUBLIC HEARING. THIS MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND TO THE MOTION? I'LL SECOND IT. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COULD IT BE SENT UP TO OUR GROUP AT THE NEXT NEXT MEETING? PLANNING COMMISSION NEXT MEETING. NO DISCUSSION. I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR OF MAKING THIS RECOMMENDATION FOR WITHDRAWAL TO RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? IN OPPOSED LIKE SIGN. I'M GOING TO ABSTAIN FROM VOTING. OKAY. SO WE HAVE ONE ABSTAINING. OKAY. SO WE'LL REVISIT THIS AGAIN. THE NEXT WELL, WHENEVER HE. WELL, NO, NEXT MONTH YOU'LL SEE THIS AS A AS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE VOLUNTARY AGRICULTURE DISTRICT. OKAY. THEN WHEN HE APPLIES FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THAT CONCLUDES THE BUSINESS OF THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. SO AT THIS POINT, I WILL AGAIN ASK FOR A MOTION OF ADJOURNMENT. MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR ATTENDANCE TONIGHT. YOU ALL HAVE A SAFE TRIP HOME. CAN I OUT TO YOUR COUNTY EMAIL BECAUSE IT'S BIG ENOUGH TO GET A COPY OF THIS THAT YOU CAN COPY AND USE AS YOU WANT AND THE INFORMATION FOR THE CAMP PARKWAY? GOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU, MISS LEWIS. THANK YOU. WELL, HAVE A GOOD MONTH TILL I SEE YOU NEXT TIME. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. RANDALL. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.