READY? YEAH. [I. CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL] [00:00:06] ALL RIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'LL GET STARTED WITH OUR JUNE MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND WELCOME EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU HERE. AND, MS. LEWIS, I GUESS YOU'LL MAKE A NOTE THAT MR. MANN IS NOT PRESENT YET. YES, EVERYONE ELSE ISN'T PRESENT. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. AND MR. RAILEY, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AS WELL WITH US TONIGHT. SO WE WILL BEGIN TONIGHT AS WE STAND AND RECITE OUR PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. MR. CHESSON, WOULD YOU MIND LEADING US IN A SHORT INVOCATION, PLEASE? NOBODY TO TALK TONIGHT. OH, YOU'RE TALKING TO THE CHOIR RIGHT HERE, SIR. THANK YOU. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PRAY WITH ME, PLEASE DO. DEAR FATHER, LORD JESUS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE STRENGTH AND ENERGY YOU'VE GIVEN US TO BE ABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT. WE ASK YOUR BLESSING UPON THIS MEETING, OUR CONVERSATION, OUR THOUGHTS. LORD, LET THEM BE AN HONOR AND GLORY TO YOU. WE THANK YOU FOR THIS COUNTY. WE THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO SERVE AND THE ABILITY TO READ AND SEE THE PAPERS AND THE DOCUMENTS AND UNDERSTAND THE WORD. LORD, WE THANK YOU ALL FOR THAT, FOR YOU GIVE US THAT POWER. WE ASK THE BLESSING FOR OUR CONVERSATION. I PRAY THESE THINGS IN THE NAME OF JESUS. AMEN. THANK YOU. YOU MAY ALL BE SEATED. AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT. AND LIKE, EVERYBODY HAS THEIR PACKETS IN FRONT OF THEM. [II. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] SO WE'LL GO RIGHT DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER TWO IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MAY MINUTES. AND I WANT TO ASK NOW IF ANYONE HAS ANY ADDITIONS OR ANY CORRECTIONS. THE MINUTES OR I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. SECOND. I HAVE A PROPER MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED LIKE SIGN THE MINUTES PASS AS PRESENTED. THANK YOU. NUMBER THREE IS PUBLIC COMMENT, PERIOD. WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE IN ATTENDANCE RIGHT NOW. I GUESS I STILL. AM I STILL SUPPOSED TO OPEN THAT UP, MR. RAILEY? JUST PUT IT. YOU DON'T HAVE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE. YEAH. I DO? OKAY. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. NOW, DOES ANYBODY OUT THERE OR COME IN RIGHT NOW CAN COME FORWARD? LAST CALL. OKAY, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER FOUR, MOVING RIGHT ALONG. THERE ARE NO PUBLIC HEARINGS SCHEDULED FOR TONIGHT. [V. UNFINISHED BUSINESS] AND MOVING TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE, UNFINISHED BUSINESS, WHICH WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT EXTENSIVELY TONIGHT. MOSTLY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATES. AND MS. LEWIS HAS GIVEN US A GREAT OUTLINE TO REVIEW. AND WE HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS THAT SHE'S ASKED. AND I HOPE WE CAN PRESENT SOME ANSWERS TONIGHT SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO MAKE PROGRESS ON OUR PLAN. UPDATE MS. LEWIS, AT THIS TIME, I WILL LET YOU COMMENT, PLEASE, MA'AM. OKAY. YOU HAVE THE INTRODUCTION CHAPTER THAT IS HISTORY AND, WELL, SUMMARY OF WHERE WE ARE NOW. YES. ANYBODY HAS ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? I HAD TO LISTEN TO THOSE. WELL, I JUST WANT TO COMMENT ON ESPECIALLY THE FIRST PAGE OR COUPLE OF PAGES. I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY NEATLY PRESENTED, YOU KNOW, TO SHOW THE PURPOSE AGAIN OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. NOW THAT THE INTRODUCTION, WOULD THAT ACTUALLY BE INCORPORATED? IS THAT PROPOSED TO BE INCORPORATED, TOO? IT IS. OKAY. WELL, SOME OF IT'S BEEN CHANGED. I COULD NOT FIND MY I KNOW I'VE GOT MY PLAN IN MY OFFICE AND I COULD NOT PUT MY HANDS ON IT. BUT ANYWAY, I RECOGNIZE SOME OF IT WAS THERE AND SOME I THINK HAD BEEN ADDED, BUT I THINK IT WAS VERY INFORMATIVE. THE ONLY COMMENT I'M GOING TO MAKE AND I'M NOT GOING TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE IS IN THE I THINK IT WOULD BE I THINK IT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE PHYSICAL SETTING. [00:05:01] LIKE I SAY, I COULD NOT, I'M SORRY. I COULDN'T FIND MY, I COULDN'T PUT MY HAND ON MY PLAN. BUT ANYWAY, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THE COASTAL PLAIN AND OUR RELATIONSHIP TO HAMPTON ROADS AND AND OF COURSE, OUR CAPITAL, RICHMOND. IS IT DO YOU THINK DO YOU ALL THINK IT'S TOO REPETITIVE? IF YOU IF WE WENT BACK AND ADDED THAT MAYBE SENTENCE OR MAYBE TWO SENTENCES ABOUT THE, UM, WHAT'S IT CALLED? A SCARF? WHAT WAS THAT THING? WHAT WAS THAT TERMINOLOGY ABOUT? THE PRIME FARMLAND, ABOUT THE GEOGRAPHY OF LAND. THAT'S AN AGRICULTURE CHAPTER. BUT YOU CERTAINLY COULD PUT IT. THAT WOULD BE FINE. NO, IF IT'S AN AREA, IT DON'T NEED TO BE REPEATED. I'M SORRY. I WAS THINKING IT WOULD BE THERE, BUT IF IT'S IN THAT OTHER SECTION, THAT'S FINE. OKAY. THERE COULD BE A MENTION OF, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S A HIGHLIGHT. WHY COULDN'T IT GO IN THERE? I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IT'S. WELL, I THINK IT'S POSITIVE. IT'S IN THE INTRODUCTION. SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME AND READ THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THEY'RE GOING TO STOP AT THE INTRODUCTION. IN FACT, I WAS THINKING WHEN WE HAVE OUR COUNTYWIDE MEETINGS THAT MAYBE WE HAVE SOME HANDOUTS OF JUST THE INTRODUCTION FOR. OKAY, I GOT A COMMENT. I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT PUTS A POSITIVE LIGHT ON SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, AND I DON'T THINK IT WOULD HURT TO PUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT'S A POSITIVE. WE COULD PUT A COMMENT THAT THERE'S A FULLER DESCRIPTION IN THE AGRICULTURE CHAPTER. JUST JUST THAT'S FINE. THAT'S PERFECT. IS THAT OKAY? YES, THAT'S PERFECT. SO LET ME REALLY A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO SIT DOWN AND GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE TABLE OF CONTENTS, WHATEVER THEY'RE INTERESTED IN, AND KIND OF SAY, HEY, WHAT'S THIS? I GUESS MY THOUGHT PROCESS WAS WE WE WE KIND OF EMPHASIZE, SO TO SPEAK, OUR RURAL CHARACTER AND THE FOREST INDUSTRY. AND. YOU KNOW, OUR TOWN. SO I THINK THAT'S ALL REFLECTIVE OF SOME OF OUR PAST BECAUSE OF THE PART OF OUR HERITAGE HAS BEEN AGRICULTURE AND FORESTRY PRIMARILY UP TO THIS POINT. YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY GO FORWARD AS WELL. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THAT THAT THAT MENTION WAS IN OUR PREVIOUS PLAN. BUT IF IT'S IN THE AGRICULTURAL SECTION, THAT'S GREAT. BUT IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A NOTE HERE, I THINK WE THAT'S FINE. KIND OF ABBREVIATED SLIGHTLY OF THAT COUPLE OF SENTENCES BUT BUT HAVE OUR THE POSITIVE THINGS, THE MORE POSITIVE THINGS THAT ARE IN THIS INTRODUCTION. YEAH. THE BETTER. RIGHT. RIGHT. THAT GIVES YOU AN OVERVIEW. YES. ANYWAY, I THINK IT'S EXCELLENT, BUT I'LL LET ANYONE ELSE COMMENT. IT READS WELL, IT DOESN'T READ CHOPPY. IT FLOWS. WELL. IT DOES. WELL, I'M SURE MS. LEWIS DID IT. A LOT OF THOUGHT PROCESS WENT INTO THAT. IT WAS WELL WRITTEN. YEAH. WELL, CAN I ASK A QUESTION ON PAGE FOUR? AND THAT IS THE THIRD PARAGRAPH UP FROM THE BOTTOM WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT THE VIRGINIAN RAILROAD BUILT THROUGH SEVERAL AND SADLY, I MEAN, ISN'T THAT THE SAME ONE THAT RUNS THROUGH THE FAMOUS COMMUNITY OF BLACK CREEK? YES. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO PUT A COMMA ON THEN AND BLACK CREEK? OKAY, MAYBE IT'S. WHERE WERE YOU AT? CAN YOU. PAGE FOUR. PAGE FOUR. I'M ON PAGE FOUR. THE BIGGEST PARAGRAPH. IT STARTS AT PARAGRAPH FOUR. YEAH, I'M WITH YOU NOW. BUT THE LAST SENTENCE OF THAT PARAGRAPH NOW, I GUESS YOU YOU WOULD SAID LEE AND BLACK CREEK, BECAUSE YOU WOULD REFERENCE BLACK CREEK AS A SETTLEMENT. CORRECT? ALSO ABANDONED. WELL, I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO MENTION OUR MANN. I MEAN I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT. BUT WE'RE JUST GOING TO EXPAND ON THE ABANDONED RAILROAD. I MEAN, I'M LESS AS EXCITED ABOUT THAT THAN I AM WITH AGRICULTURE. IT'S A PART OF HISTORY, SO IT NEEDS TO BE MENTIONED. AND I LOVE HISTORY, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE MENTIONED. WE DON'T HAVE TO AGREE NOW. NOW OUR PIPELINE. WE HAVE A RAILROAD SECTION AND THAT'S THE. IS THAT THE ONLY? THAT WOULD BE IN THE TRANSPORTATION SECTION. WE DO HAVE A WE WILL HAVE. THAT'S THE POINT. BUT IT'S THE GAS PIPELINE TODAY, CORRECT? YEAH. YEAH. DOES THAT INCLUDE ALL THE SETTLEMENTS IN THE COUNTY, THOSE THREE? I DON'T KNOW. PROBABLY. PROBABLY, YEAH. BECAUSE WHEN. YEAH. I MEAN, [INAUDIBLE] IN MY BACK YARD. BUT I AIN'T GONNA TALK ABOUT IT IN MY BACK YARD. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? OUR INTRODUCTION. I JUST. IT WASN'T DONE. MILL POND. SO THAT WASN'T HERE. I'M JOKING. THAT WAS. I WAS SAYING THAT IN JEST. WE'LL JUST ADD. CAN WE ADD BLACK CREEK? BLACK CREEK? YEAH, I AGREE. I AGREE. OKAY. I MEAN, JUST TO MOVE IT ALONG. THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS IT'S MORE FOR MY UNDERSTANDING, ON PAGE EIGHT. [00:10:01] YES. THE VERY TOP OF THAT, WHERE ONLY THESE SECOND SENTENCE DOWN, ONLY THESE CAPON IS THE ONLY INCORPORATED TOWN WITH ITS OWN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I GUESS NUMBER ONE AND CAPON WAS INCLUDED WITH DREWRYVILLE AND SEDLEY, WHERE SEDLEY IS NOT INCORPORATED. DREWRYVILLE IS NOT INCORPORATED, WHILE THE SENTENCE SAYS THERE ARE. COMMUNITY AREAS. AND DREWRYVILLE AND SEDLEY. OF THESE ONLY CAPER IS AN INCORPORATED TOWN WITH ITS OWN ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ZONING REGULATIONS. SO WHY WOULDN'T IVOR AND CORTLAND BE? BECAUSE IVOR IN CORTLAND ARE IN. THEY'RE NOT DESIGNATED AS PLANNING AREAS. THEY'RE DESIGNATED AS. WHAT'S THE WORD THEY USE COMMUNITY AREAS. CORRECT. OKAY. SEE, IT REFERS TO. THEIR DISTINGUISHING LANDS LOCATED WITHIN COMMUNITY AREAS LIKE PLANNING AREAS ARE NOT GRANTED. RIGHT. IT FLESHES OUT THAT SPECIFIC. YEAH. THE FOURTH PARAGRAPH ON PAGE SEVEN SAYS THE PLANNING AREA IS IDENTIFIED ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OR I'VE OR CORTLAND AND BOYKINS-BRANCHVILLE NEWSOMS. THESE AREAS ARE DESCRIBED IN CHAPTER SEVEN WITH RESPECT TO EXISTING AND PROJECTED LAND USE, UTILITIES AND SERVICES. I'VE FOR CORTLAND NEWSOMS BRANCHVILLE ON BOYKINS ARE ALSO INCORPORATED TOWNS WITH THEIR OWN ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE PLANS AND ZONING REGULATIONS. AND THEN YOU GET DOWN TO THOSE ARE PLANNING AREAS. HE'S FLESHING IT OUT. THEN YOU GET DOWN TO COMMUNITY AREAS AND THEY ARE DREWRYVILLE, CAPRON AND SEDLEY. BUT CAPRON ISN'T INCORPORATED TOWN WITH ITS OWN PLAN. OKAY, SO IT'S HALFWAY BETWEEN A PLANNING AREA AND A COMMUNITY AREA. IT'S KIND OF A HYBRID. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH, IT ANSWERS THE QUESTION, BUT IT JUST SEEMS TO BE OKAY. WELL, IT SEEMED LIKE LIKE DIFFERENT TIERS. WHY WOULD WHY WOULD NOT? AND MAYBE I JUST DIDN'T. I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. [INAUDIBLE] I DON'T KNOW WHY CAPRON IS NOT A PLANNING AREA. PLANNING AREA. IT NEVER HAS BEEN, EVEN IN OLD MAPS. CAPRON HAS NEVER BEEN A PLANNING AREA. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A COMMUNITY AREA. YOU COULD CHANGE IT TO A PLANNING AREA IF YOU WANTED TO, BUT LET'S LEAVE IT LIKE IT IS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO FORWARD. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE INTRODUCTION PART? IN THOSE IN THAT FROM A FORMATTING STANDPOINT ON THAT PAGE, I WOULD JUST SUGGEST THE PLANNING AREA WORDS ON THE SECOND PARAGRAPH, THE FIRST TWO WORDS AND THE BOLD AND BEING BOLD PRINT AND THEN THE FIFTH. PARAGRAPH DOWN WHERE IT STARTS OFF COMMUNITY AREAS. LET THAT BE ALSO IN BOLD. SO THOSE THINGS JUST JUMP OUT AT THE READER. I MEAN, THAT'S JUST A FORMATTING ISSUE. YOU'LL DO BOLDER ON THE LINE? YEAH, SHE'S GOT SOME TITLES BECAUSE YOU READ UP IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT COMMUNITY AREAS AND PLANNING AREAS. SO THE NEXT QUESTION IS WHAT ARE THOSE AREAS? SO IF YOU JUMP DOWN WITH YOUR EYES. AND ANYWAY, THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD SUGGEST AND JUST THIS IS JUST AN IDEA FOR EDUCATIONAL ON PAGE NINE WITH THE FIRST HALF OF SENTENCE ON THERE WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT PROVIDES TAXATION ADVANTAGES, SHOULD THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DO AWAY WITH LAND USE VALUATION PROGRAM? AND MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE BECAUSE IT TOOK ME THE LONGEST OF TIME TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE ADVANTAGES OF IT WAS AND IF IT COULD BE INSERTED THAT IT PRESERVES LAND USE STATUS UNTIL THE END OF THE CONTRACT TERM. BUT THAT'S. THE PROVIDES TAXATION ADVANTAGES. SHOULD THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DO AWAY WITH THE COUNTY LAND USE VALUATION PROGRAM MEANS THAT IF YOU'RE IN A VOLUNTARY AGRICULTURE AND FORESTRY DISTRICT AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DOES AWAY WITH THE COUNTY LAND USE TAXATION PROGRAM, THEN THOSE PEOPLE WHOSE PROPERTIES ARE IN THE VOLUNTARY AGRICULTURE DISTRICT CAN TAKE PART IN THE STATE LAND USE VALUATION PROGRAM. THAT'S THE TAX ADVANTAGE FURTHER THAN THE CONTRACT TERM THAT'S IN THE LAND USE PLANNING. [00:15:04] I MEAN, YOU'RE PROTECTED FOR TEN YEARS. IT'S THE SAME IF YOU'RE IT'S THE SAME, BUT IT AUTOMATICALLY UNLESS YOU SAY YOU WANT IT TO END IN TEN YEARS, IT AUTOMATICALLY RE-UPS. AND WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL WITH THE WORDING. SO BECAUSE IT COULD BE USED AS A SHIELD OR A SWORD. YOU'VE GOT TO BE CAREFUL WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO ATTACK IT, THAT OH, WELL, THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS. SO AND EVERYBODY THAT'S I'M TRYING TO PICK THE CORRECT WORD. YOU WANT TO BE EDUCATED AND HAVE WISDOM, KNOW WHAT IT IS, AND KNOW WHY IT'S IN PLACE. BUT IT'S A DIFFERENT THING. TO SPELL IT OUT, SAYING IF SOMETHING WOULD GO AWAY. RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT I JUST WANT TO SAY WE GOT TO BE CAREFUL WITH THAT. 76. YEAH, JUST ABOUT EVERY COUNTY MUNICIPALITY HAS IT. I JUST DON'T LIKE USING THE NEGATIVE LANGUAGE THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT IT MIGHT ONE DAY BE GONE. I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT IT WILL ALWAYS. AND I'M SPLITTING HAIRS HERE, BUT DO YOU UNDERSTAND MY POINT? THAT IF WE SAY THE POINT IS THAT IF IT'S YOU HAD A BOARD THAT GOT RID OF IT, THEN RIGHT NOW IT'S WORTH ABOUT $3.2 MILLION IN TAX. OKAY. YEAH. BUT IF YOU HAD A BOARD THAT GOT RID OF IT, YOU'RE PROTECTED FOR TEN YEARS. SO YOU HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO ORGANIZE AND ELECT A NEW BOARD AND GET IT BACK. I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND. I'M JUST SAYING WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL. I PROBABLY. YEAH. YOU'RE WELCOME TO SEND ME THE SENTENCES YOU WOULD LIKE IT TO SAY INSTEAD. I MEAN, I DON'T REALLY DISLIKE IT. I JUST SAY IT BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING SOME MORE NEGATIVE LANGUAGE. THAT'S WHAT MR. CHESSON WAS TALKING ABOUT. SO I KIND OF LIKE THAT. AND I WAS TRYING TO SQUASH THAT. WE. I LIKE WHAT YOU. I MEAN, I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT MY THOUGHT PROCESS WHEN I WAS READING, AND I GET IT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO SCREAM. PLEASE GET RID OF LAND USE OR THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF THAT. I JUST LIKE TO EDUCATE PEOPLE. I THOUGHT THIS WAS AN EDUCATIONAL DOCUMENT IN WHICH I IN MY OPINION, IF ONCE THIS IS DONE, IT OUGHT TO BE SHARED WITH THE HISTORY TEACHERS WITHIN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY SCHOOL SYSTEMS AND MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS GREAT HIGHLIGHTS OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY AND I BET IT'S NOT TAUGHT IN THE SCHOOL. MAYBE IT IS, BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD HISTORY LESSON. MR. MANN HAS JOINED US. I JUST SAW HIM, SO. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. WELCOME. I APOLOGIZE. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. WELCOME, SIR. WHEN I WAS IN ANOTHER MEETING AND I HAD TO GET UP AND LEAVE. GLAD YOU COULD MAKE IT, SIR. I'M GOING TO INTERJECT ONE OTHER THOUGHT, MS. LEWIS. IF YOU'LL HELP ME ON THIS, GO BACK TO CITIZEN PARTICIPATION. WHAT PAGE? PAGE EIGHT. ABOUT MIDWAY TO PAGE IN AUGUST 2023, MATERIAL AND STAFF WERE IN ATTENDANCE AT THE COUNTY FAIR AND NEIGHBORHOOD. DISCUSSIONS BEGAN IN OCTOBER 2023. WOULDN'T THAT BE BACKDATED TO MAYBE 15 OR 16? NO. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS PLAN. THIS REFERS TO THE PRESENT PLAN, RIGHT? I'M SORRY. OKAY. YEAH, I READ THAT IT WAS CONFUSED. ME TOO. I DON'T KNOW. I GOT SOME REASON I FOLLOW THE PAST TENSE. OKAY. I'M SORRY I MISREAD THAT. THANK YOU. I'M ANTICIPATING THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE FAIR AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION. OKAY? I'M SORRY. IN THE FUTURE. YES, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. OPTIMISTIC. THAT'S GOOD. I LIKE IT. I GUESS WHAT THREW ME OFF IS THE NEXT SENTENCE. SUCH, OF COURSE YOU'RE WRITING. ARE YOU WRITING IN THE PAST TENSE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE? WELL, THIS IS A PLAN. THAT'S RIGHT. SO ONCE THIS IS ADOPTED, SOMETIME IN 2024. I'M SORRY. THAT'S MY MISTAKE. THAT'S MY MISTAKE. I WASN'T I WENT BACK. I'M THINKING ABOUT THE PRESENT. OKAY. WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU. SEE THAT I WROTE THAT I HAD IN PRESENT TENSE. IT WOULDN'T HAVE MADE A BIT OF SENSE. OKAY, SO DON'T LISTEN TO ME. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ANY OTHER. QUESTIONS ON CLAIM NEED A REVIEW. I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S EXCELLENT. OH, THAT'S GOOD. I THINK IT'S EXCELLENT. A LOT OF A LOT OF THOUGHT PROCESS THERE. ALL RIGHT. CAN WE GO ON TO THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA? THAT WAS A CONSERVATION EASEMENT DISCUSSION, BUT MR. CRAIG IS NOT HERE THIS EVENING, SO WE WANT TO MOVE ON TO COMMUNITY WIDE MEETINGS. MS. ALSTON SAID THAT SHE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE ONE AT HER FACILITY OCTOBER 23RD AT 6 P.M. EVERYBODY WRITE THAT DATE AND TIME DOWN. I'M REVEREND LUCAS. WHEN YOU COME UP WITH A DATE AND TIME, JUST LET ME KNOW. [00:20:01] I'LL TALK TO THE NEWSOMS ALSTON CLUB AFTER Y'ALL PICK AND SEE WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE WHEN THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO IT. CAN YOU EMAIL US THAT MAYBE A WEEK BEFORE OR LIKE A DAY BEFORE? THE DAY BEFORE WOULD BE GOOD REMINDER? YES, I WILL. THANK YOU. MAIN STREET, CAPRON AND HIGHWAY 58. RIGHT ON THE CORNER. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU, MR.. BURKHART, WITH A YOUNG FARMERS CLUB IN IVOR, IS GOING TO MEET WITH HIS BOARD SOMETIME SOON, AND HE HAS OFFERED TO US TO BE ABLE TO HOLD A MEETING VERY GOOD IN HIS FACILITY IN IVOR. SO THAT IS THAT LIKE THAT BUILDING BEHIND THE FIELD OR IS THAT SOMEWHERE ELSE? I THINK IT'S ON. IS IT ON DRAKE ROAD OR NEW ROAD. I FORGET WHICH. YOU KNOW WHERE IT IS. DOUG I'M REALLY NOT SURE. NO, I'M THE YOUNG FARMERS CLUB WILLING TO HELP WHERE IT IS. AND I MEAN, I KNOW FRANK, BUT YEAH, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THEY. YEAH, THEY'VE BEEN THERE A WHILE. OKAY. THOSE CROSS ROADS. ALL RIGHT. I KNOW WE'RE OKAY, SO IT'S NOT REALLY IN TOWN. MR. CROSS. IT'S NOT IN TOWN. IT'S NOT IN. NOT IN TOWN, OKAY. NO, IT'S NOT IN IVOR. I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET AN IDEA WHERE THE OLD SCHOOL BUILDING ON THAT ROAD? YEAH, THE OLD SCHOOL BUILDING. IS THAT A BRICK? NO, I DON'T. HOW FAR IS IT? AWAY FROM THE CHURCH? OH, IT IS OKAY, BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO THINK OF SOMETHING NEAR THE CHURCH. YEAH, OKAY. NOT TO SAY THAT. YEAH. I'LL MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY HAS ALL THAT ADDRESSES TIMES AND EVERYTHING. ONCE WE GET THEM ALL SETTLED AND THEY'LL BE IN THE. ANY DIRT ROADS. RIGHT. THEY'LL BE IN THE FLIERS THAT WE DISTRIBUTE AT THE FAIR AS WELL. SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO GET THEM. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. LEWIS. ALL RIGHT. SO IS THAT ENOUGH MEETING? IS THAT GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THE WHOLE COUNTY OR ARE WE LOOKING FOR ANYWHERE ELSE? THIS IS SUFFICIENT, RIGHT? AND DO YOU WANT TO HAVE IT A PART OF YOUR MEETING AT THE SEPTEMBER MEETING OR AT THE OCTOBER MEETING? BECAUSE WE'LL KIND OF DO A KICK OFF. EITHER ONE IS FINE. DOES ANYBODY HAVE PLANS TO NOT BE AT EITHER OF THOSE MEETINGS? NOT YET. IF WE? SEPTEMBER. YOU WANT TO DO IT IN SEPTEMBER? OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT SOUNDS GOOD. THERE YOU GO. AND NOW ALL THAT'S LEFT IS THE DISCUSSION OF NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN. LAST MONTH YOU SAID SOME OF YOU SAID YOU WANTED A POTENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE PROPERTY BEHIND THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE. THESE LOTS ARE ABOUT 50,000FT², WHICH IS IF YOU CHOSE TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO R-1 SINGLE FAMILY, THAT MINIMUM LOT SIZE FOR NO SEWER AND WATER IS 30,000FT² WITH SEWER AND WATER. IT'S 20,000FT². SO THESE LOTS COULD CERTAINLY BE MADE SMALLER. THE MIDDLE GREEN PART IS ABOUT 20 ACRES. THERE IS A CEMETERY THERE. THERE IS A RAVINE THAT IS UNDEVELOPABLE WITH. AFTER YOU TAKE OUT THE CEMETERY AND THE RAVINE, YOU MIGHT HAVE TEN ACRES FOR SOME SORT OF NEIGHBORHOOD GATHERING PLACE. A TOT LOT OF SOMETHING ELSE. BUT YOU WANTED TO LOOK AT A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD THERE. THIS INCLUDES A 200 FOOT BUFFER ALONG THE RAILROAD, WHICH ISN'T IN USE, BUT. SO IT WOULDN'T ESPECIALLY HAVE TO BE THERE. AND THEN A 100 FOOT BUFFER ALONG THE OTHER THREE SIDES. IT CONNECTS TO THE ROAD THAT COMES UP FROM CAMP PARKWAY. THE BUSSES USE, I THINK, NOW TO DROP OFF. IT DOES HAVE A NAME THAT'S UNUSUAL NAME, BUT IT DOES HAVE A STATE ROAD NUMBER. SO IT'S A ROAD AND IT ALSO INCLUDES A STUB OUT AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER TO THE REST OF THE PROPERTY. BUT THIS IS WHAT I TOOK FROM YOUR DISCUSSION THAT YOU WERE CONSIDERING MIGHT BE A MORE APPROPRIATE USE FOR THIS PROPERTY THAN THE THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER AND INDUSTRIAL DESIGNATION THAT IT HAS TODAY. SO 48 LOTS. [00:25:02] I THINK IT LOOKS GOOD. HE HAS TO BRING THIS UP BEFORE THE, BEFORE, I GUESS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION. WELL, THAT GO FROM LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TWO. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE FOR YOU TONIGHT. THE ZONING ORDINANCE SAYS SHOULD THE PLANNING COMMISSION WISH THEY CAN AND SHOULD THE PLANNING COMMISSION WISH THEY CAN INITIATE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AMENDMENT AND ZONING AMENDMENT FOR ALL A PART OF THE PROPERTY? SECTION 18-541 SAYS ANY SUCH AMENDMENT MAY BE MADE MAY BE INITIATED BY RESOLUTION OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OR BY A MOTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR BY A PETITION OF THE OWNER OR CONTRACT PURCHASER WITH THE OWNER'S WRITTEN CONSENT OR THE OWNER'S AGENT. SO IF THE TO DEVELOP THIS FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD, THE FIRST CHANGE WOULD HAVE TO BE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT NOW HAS A HAS AN EMPLOYMENT CENTER DESIGNATION. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AMENDED TO LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL THAT WOULD PERMIT UP TO THREE UNITS AN ACRE. THERE ISN'T ONE THAT'S LOWER THAN THAT EXCEPT AGRICULTURE. SO THAT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING FROM A HALF A UNIT, AN ACRE OR ONE ACRE PER TO ONE HOUSE PER TWO ACRES OR ANYTHING UP TO THREE UNITS AN ACRE. SO YOU'D HAVE TO DO LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND R-1 RESIDENTIAL FOR A ZONING DESIGNATION. AND IF YOU WANTED TO INITIATE THAT, YOU'D HAVE TO MAKE THAT IN THE FORM OF A MOTION. I MADE AN APPLICATION TODAY THAT CHAIRMAN DRAKE WOULD SIGN AND IT WOULD MOVE THROUGH JUST LIKE IT HAD BEEN APPLIED FOR BY THE PROPERTY OWNER. NOTICES WOULD GO OUT TO ALL THE ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNERS. YOU COULD HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AT YOUR MEETING NEXT MONTH. THERE'S ENOUGH TIME TO ADVERTISE IN THE NEWSPAPER. YOU CAN HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING AT YOUR JULY MEETING. IF YOU MADE A DECISION AT YOUR JULY MEETING, IT COULD GO TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AT THEIR AUGUST MEETING, AND THOSE TWO CHANGES COULD BE PUT INTO EFFECT THE FOURTH TUESDAY IN AUGUST IF YOU CHOSE TO GO THAT WAY. SO TO GO WITH OUR DISCUSSION WITH PUBLIC WORKS, THIS WOULD BE. THIS FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, RIGHT? YEAH, WELL, I MEAN, IT'S GOT A BEAUTIFUL SCHOOL. WHO COULD ARGUE? AND I'M JUST TALKING OUT LOUD. WHAT WOULD BE A BETTER SPOT? HOW COULD YOU THINK OF A BETTER SPOT? AND AND IT'S EASY ACCESS IN AND OUT TO GO TO WORK AT THE SHIPYARD. I JUST THINK IT'S A SINGLE IT'S NOT A HOME RUN. IT'S NOT ALL THIS. YOU KNOW, THIS COULD STIMULATE SOME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN THAT WAY WE'RE SETTING THE PACE AND IT'S COMPARABLE TO THE USES AROUND IT. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, ESPECIALLY ACROSS THE RAILROAD TRACK, ON MUCH SMALLER LOTS. BUT THERE ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL ACRE PROPERTIES UP AND DOWN CAMP PARKWAY. AND THEN WHEN YOU GO DOWN CLAY STREET IN FRANKLIN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY MUCH LIKE THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA. THIS IF YOU DEVELOPED IT WITH 30,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS, YOU COULD DO IT WITH EITHER WELL AND SEPTIC OR YOU COULD DO WATER AND SEWER WHATEVER WAS AVAILABLE AT THE TIME. YOU COULD PLAN TO HAVE TO USE WELL AND SEPTIC. BUT IF WATER AND SEWER WAS AVAILABLE AND SO THIS WOULD BE A CASE AND THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE MENTIONING, BECAUSE UTILITIES ARE AVAILABLE WITH THEIR WAY OUT. [INAUDIBLE] LAST MEETING PASSAGE IS THERE. COUNTY WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AND THEN THE WATER FROM THE CITY OF FRANKLIN. CORRECT. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE AND LET'S SAY A DEVELOPER SAYS, HEY, I'M INTERESTED IN THIS. THEY WOULD CONTACT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR MS. LEWIS AND LET'S JUST SAY FISCALLY. WELL, WE HOOK UP TO THE WATER IS X. WELL, I NEED THREE MORE LOTS OR SEVEN MORE LOTS. THEN THEY COULD COME. RIGHT. AND THE MARKETS, WHAT'S GOING TO DICTATE IT? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE LOOK AT FLAGGY RUN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MORE DEER THERE NOW THAN DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, AND THE ROAD IS THERE. AND BECAUSE THE SEWER SEPTIC, THAT'S PROBABLY NEVER GOING TO BE DEVELOPED IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS. I MEAN, REALISTICALLY, YOU KNOW. COULD YOU. I WONDER IF YOU COULD PUMP THIS TO COURTLAND? IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? THAT'S 20% UTILIZED, RIGHT? WHAT I UNDERSTAND IT'S ALREADY THERE. WHAT I UNDERSTOOD, THAT'S GRAVITY FROM THAT AREA. IT ALL ENDS UP THERE. SO HILL TO THAT PUMPING STATION, IT'S PRETTY FLAT TO ME. AND YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS WHEN A NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPS OR A COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP, THEN THE DEVELOPER IS RESPONSIBLE [00:30:05] FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE. SO THE COUNTY WOULDN'T BE PUTTING IN ANYTHING MORE THAN IS ALREADY THERE. YOU WOULD THE DEVELOPER WOULD FIND TO WHAT'S ALREADY THERE. THEY WOULD PUT IN THEIR OWN WATER AND SEWER. THEY WOULD PUT IN THEIR OWN SIDEWALKS. THEY'D PUT IN THEIR OWN STREET LIGHTS. THEIR OWN ROADS AT THEIR EXPENSE. THAT'S HOW NEIGHBORHOODS DEVELOP. IT WOULD BE A CARROT TO SEE IF AND THEN SAY IN TEN YEARS IT FILLS UP. THEN YOU START PLANNING FOR YOUR NEXT WHERE DO WE WHERE DO WE THINK IT WOULD WORK? AND THEN ECONOMIC BECAUSE I MEAN, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WOULD USE THIS, HEY, THEY'RE TRYING TO GET PROACTIVE. I JUST CAN'T THINK I WAS THINKING AT FIRST. KIND OF WHERE MY OFFICE IS ON THAT SIDE. AND THEY SAID BEHIND IT. BUT THEN I'M SAYING, MAN, THEY GOT TO RUN ALL THAT SEWER WATER. I MEAN, YOU START LOOKING AT A HALF A MILE OR A SHORT DISTANCE, THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY. AND THEN I WAS THINKING WHAT I CALL THE BOB EDWARDS PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S I DON'T HUNT WITH DELAWARE HUNT CLUB, BUT THAT'S WHAT I CALL IT BECAUSE THAT GREAT BIG PROPERTY WITH THAT HOUSE AND THE OLDER HOUSE IN THE BACK GOING TOWARDS, I GUESS WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS. BUT THEN WE TALKED TO PUBLIC WORKS AND IT KIND OF BROUGHT A LOT. THAT'S AN OKAY SPOT, BUT THIS ONE'S EVEN BETTER. AND LET'S SAY YOU COULD GET 80 LOTS IN THERE. THE COUNTY WIDE AVERAGE OF KIDS GENERATED PER HOUSE IS 4/10 OF A KID PER HOUSE. STATEWIDE AVERAGES 0.38 OF A KID. SO IT'S JUST ABOUT THE SAME. SO IF YOU GOT 80 LOTS IN THERE, THAT WOULD GENERATE 32 STUDENTS IN 13 GRADES, WHICH WOULD BE 2 OR 3 KIDS PER GRADE. THE RIVERDALE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WHICH IS RIGHT THERE. AND THIS YEAR'S. CLASSES HAS 498 STUDENTS. SO 18 MORE KIDS WOULD BE A 3.6% INCREASE. I LIKE THE NUMBER BECAUSE IT'S NOT TOO BIG. AND IF A DEVELOPER COMES IN AND WANTS MORE, THEN HE'S PRESENTING THE PLAN AND THEN WE CAN MAKE A DECISION. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THINK OF SANDY CREEK, BETHEL FARMS. I MEAN, IT'S NOT GOING TO FILL UP IN A YOU KNOW, THE PROJECT'S GOING TO TAKE THREE YEARS THEN TO MARKET IT WITH THE WAY THE REAL ESTATE MARKET. I MEAN, THINGS COULD CHANGE OF COURSE, BUT I THINK WE COULD HONESTLY SAY, HEY, IF SOMEBODY BITES ON THIS, IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE A TEN YEAR PROJECT AND THEN YOU CAN KIND OF DO IT PIECEMEAL ONE AT A TIME. AND THEN MAYBE WE THINK ABOUT THE OTHER PIECE, YOU KNOW, AS HOUSING. BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE SOME BIG, YOU KNOW, HOME RUN OR A TRIPLE. IT'S GOING TO BE LITTLE SINGLES, YOU KNOW, SMALL BALL HERE WHERE WE CAN SOLVE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. ALL RIGHT. SO THE SEWAGE LINE NOW GOES UP TO THE SCHOOL. CORRECT. AND THAT WHAT HE SAID TO THE CHURCH, THEN THEY GO TO THE CHURCH. HE SAID A CHURCH AND THE CHURCH IS RIGHT ACROSS. IT DOES SERVE TO SCHOOL, DOES GO TO THE CHURCH. SO I THINK THE I THINK HE SAID THE SEWER LINE WAS ACTUALLY ON THE RIVERDALE SIDE AND THEY PIPED IT OVER TO THE CHURCH. RIGHT. IT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD. SO IT GOES RIGHT IN FRONT OF THAT RIGHT THERE. THE COUNTY PAID TO RUN IT TO THAT POINT. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER THAT CAME IN WITH THE LAST PLAN, HE STILL OWNS THAT THAT PROPERTY, CORRECT? HE DOES. NO, THINK SO. I THOUGHT WELL, HE STILL HE HASN'T IT HASN'T BEEN DEVELOPED, BUT HE GAVE THE LAND TO THE SCHOOL AND HE STILL RETAINS OWNERSHIP OF THIS PROPERTY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AS OF LAST WEEK. YES. AND WELL, THERE'S ALWAYS I'M SURE THAT THERE'S ALWAYS DISCUSSION. THERE'S ALWAYS DISCUSSION. OKAY. WELL, ARE YOU SURE THAT WE LET'S BACK OUT? I REMEMBER THAT WHEN HE WAS PRESENTING WHEN THE COMPANY WAS PRESENTING THE PLAN AND I'M NOT GOING TO CALL HIS NAME, BUT THE COMPANY WAS PRESENTING THE PLAN THAT HE WANTED THAT DEVELOPMENT IN THERE. AND THEN HE WAS GOING TO PAY TO RUN THE SEWAGE LINE FROM THE LAGOON ALL THE WAY OUT THERE. AT THE TIME, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, BUT THEN BECAUSE HE WOULD DO THAT, THERE WOULD BE NONE OF THE RESIDENTS WOULD HAVE TO PAY A CONNECTION FEE. THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I MET WITH HIM AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME, I KNOW YOU'RE PUTTING THAT EXPENSE IN, BUT IF NONE OF THE RESIDENTS HAVE TO DO A CONNECTION FEE BECAUSE YOU PUT THE MONEY IN TO SEND IT OUT THERE, THEN THAT'S GOING TO BE ON THE BACKS OF THE REST OF THE RESIDENTS OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. WELL, THE DEVELOPER WOULD PUT IN ALL THE CONNECTIONS AND WHETHER HE CHARGED THE CHARGE, THE INDIVIDUAL LOT OWNERS FOR THAT CONNECTION OR NOT, THAT WAS SOMETHING THERE WAS [00:35:06] SOMETHING ABOUT, THOUGH, THAT IT WAS GOING TO END UP COSTING THE COUNTY AND I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT MY NOTES. AND BECAUSE I MENTIONED IF YOU WAIVED THE PART OF THEM NOT HAVING TO PAY OR ATTACH IT TO IT. IT'S GOING TO COST THE TAXPAYERS. AND HE SAYS, WELL, I DON'T WANT TO WAIVE THAT. AND I'D HAVE TO IT WAS SOME LITTLE FINE DETAIL THAT WAS REALLY NOT DISCUSSED A WHOLE LOT. AND THAT THE FLAGGY RUN SUBDIVISION WAS UNDER DISCUSSION WHEN I FIRST STARTED WORKING FOR THE COUNTY AND THE DEVELOPER WANTED TO PAY TO HE NEEDED TO UPGRADE A PUMP STATION, I THINK, AND THEY WANTED TO PAY IT OFF HOUSE BY HOUSE. AND THE COUNTY WOULDN'T ACCEPT THAT THEY WANTED HIM TO PAY. $300,000 OR SOMETHING UP FRONT TO UPGRADE THE PUMP STATION. AND AFTERWARDS I ASKED THE FORMER COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, AREN'T WE KIND OF CUTTING OFF OUR NOSE TO SPITE OUR FACE? WHETHER HE PAYS, IF HE PAYS HOUSE BY HOUSE. THEN IT GETS PAID OFF. IF HE DEVELOPS WITH WELL AND SEPTIC. THOSE PEOPLE WILL NEVER IN A THOUSAND YEARS PAY A BILL. AND IN THE END, WHAT YOU WANT IS BILL PAYERS TO USE THAT WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. SO WHETHER THEY PAY THE THE $2,500 HOOKUP FEE OR THEY DEVELOP IT WITH A SEPTIC FIELD, IF NOBODY HOOKS UP TO IT, IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH THEY DO OR DON'T PAY. THAT'S A STILL A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT THAT IS BEING USED AT 25% CAPACITY. AND I KNOW YOU KNOW WELL, IT DOES SOUND LIKE THE EGG AND THE CHICKEN, BUT THEN PAYING A SEWAGE FEE, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. BUT LIKE I MENTIONED IN THE LAST MEETING, I'D LIKE FOR THE SEWAGE, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE USING THE SEWAGE AND WATER TO PAY FOR THE SYSTEM. I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO SUBSIDIZE IT AND WE ARE STILL SUBSIDIZING IT. THE REST OF THE RESIDENTS ARE CITING THE COUNTY, AND THE ONLY WAY THAT'S EVER GOING TO HAPPEN IS IF THERE'S ENOUGH USERS BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN'T. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING IS $1,000 A MONTH SEWER, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT I BROUGHT THAT UP TO THIS DEVELOPER AND HE SAYS, WELL, EVERY SEWAGE SYSTEM WE'VE EVER WORKED WITH THE CUSTOMERS PAY FOR, I SAID, WELL, THEN YOU NEED TO DIG INTO THE MECHANICS. AND HE CAME BACK AND HE SAYS, WELL, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER SEEN A SEWAGE SYSTEM IN AN AREA SUBSIDIZED BY THE REST OF THE TAXPAYERS. SO IT I SEE WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT. WE GOT THE SYSTEM. WE NEED SOMEBODY TO HOOK UP TO IT. BUT WE GOT THE SYSTEM IN BOYKINS THAT'S BACK MAXED OUT. AND AND THE FEES THEY'RE PAYING DOWN THERE IS NOT IS NOT COVERING THE COST. BUT THERE IS A LINE ITEM ISN'T IT THAT THAT WE PULL OUT OF GENERAL FUND AND SUBSIDIZE SEWAGE AND WATER. RIGHT. BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN'T PAY SEVERAL HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH FOR A SEWER BILL. AND THAT'S THE ONLY THERE'S THERE'S ONLY TWO WAYS TO GET MORE MONEY TO CHARGE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE, MORE MONEY OR INVITE MORE PEOPLE TO JOIN. AND THIS IS A WAY TO INVITE MORE PEOPLE TO JOIN, RIGHT? YEAH, I THINK AS WE GO FORWARD. MY PERSPECTIVE OF ALL OF THIS IS TO ENCOURAGE GROWTH TO THESE TYPE AREAS AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF UTILITY WATER AND THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. YOU KNOW, AND CANNOT I'M NOT SAYING DISCOURAGE, IT'S NOT THE RIGHT WORD, BUT TO KIND OF LIMIT. UM, THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. SUFFOLK AND IN SOME PLACES IN ISLE OF WIGHT, ESPECIALLY SUFFOLK, ESPECIALLY THE LOWER PART OF SUFFOLK, WHERE THEY'VE DONE ALL THIS DOMINO EFFECT ON THE COUNTRY ROADS. LIKE IT JUST DOESN'T IT JUST DOESN'T CONFORM TO THE SETTING. BUT IF WE WANT TO HAVE GROWTH, YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW, AND THE SPEAKER FROM THE HAMPTON ROADS SANITATION DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, WE WE I'VE SEPTIC SYSTEM, LIKE MOST OF US PROBABLY HAVE AT HOME IN THE RURAL AREA, YOU KNOW, IF IT FUNCTIONS PROPERLY, IT'S A GREAT THING. BUT THERE'S A LOT THAT IS NOT. AND NOW I'VE GOT SOME NEW HOUSES OUT MY WAY THAT IT'S THE NEW SYSTEM, THE WAY IT'S ELEVATED, YOU KNOW, SO TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE LANDSCAPE JUST DOESN'T PROMOTE IT. BUT WE NEED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE FROM EVEN FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT, IS TO UTILIZE THE TREATMENT PLANT BECAUSE THE GROWTH WILL CONTINUE TO COME. SO LIKE WE SAID EARLIER IN SOME EARLIER DISCUSSIONS THAT WE GOT A CHANCE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. NOW WE COULD BE ON THE FRONT SIDE. [00:40:01] WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR MEETING AND MEETING AND MEETING, AND THIS IS THE MOST OPPORTUNE, BEST AREA THAT WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH TO DO THIS. AND I AGREE WITH ALL OF THAT. I JUST I GUESS MY ORIGINAL QUESTION IS THE SEWAGE LINE HAS GOTTEN OUT TO THAT POINT AND THE COUNTY PAID THE BILL, IS THAT CORRECT? NOT FOR THE HOOKUP FEES, NOT THE. NO, THE COUNTY THE SEWAGE LINE THAT'S OUT THAT FAR SO FAR, THE EXISTING COUNTY TO PAY FOR THE COUNTY. PAID FOR THE COUNTY BUILT IT. THAT'S CORRECT. SO IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, AT THE TIME WHEN THAT OTHER DEVELOPMENT CAME IN, THAT SEWAGE LINE WAS NOT IVOR. SO HE WAS PROPOSING PROFFERING THAT HE WOULD PAY TO PUT IT OUT THERE. THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER. AND THEN THERE WAS THAT LITTLE WAIVER. NOW, SO SO IF THE COUNTY'S GOT THE MONEY INTO THE SEWAGE SYSTEM, THAT LITTLE WAIVER OF OF THE FACT OF NOT BEING ABLE TO HOOK UP, IT'S GONE AWAY BECAUSE IT IS THE COUNTY'S MONEY THAT'S GONE THAT FAR AND NOT A DEVELOPER. NOW I REALIZE THE DEVELOPERS GOT TO TAG ON TO IT AND MOVE IN AND PAY THE EXPENSE, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT THERE WAS LITTLE DETAIL THAT THAT DIDN'T GET DISCUSSED A WHOLE LOT. AND. AND AMOUNTED TO SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS AND THAT BILL WAS GOING TO BE ON THE BACK OF MR. MANN APPROXIMATE, WHAT, TEN, 12 YEARS AGO, DO YOU REMEMBER? I'M NOT SURE IT WAS BEFORE I GOT HERE. SO IT'S LONGER 15 YEARS. I HAVE MINUTES FROM 2008. OKAY. AND I'M PULLING THIS OFF, I GUESS. I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING. AND YOUR RESPONSE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE WITNESSED CHANGES IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME. SO THERE MAY HAVE BEEN OTHER REASONS WHY THAT GOT DENIED. WELL, IT WAS THE DENSITY OF IT. RIGHT? SO NOW. WE MAY GET A SECOND. WE MAY GET A SECOND CHANCE. SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO ATTACK IN A DIFFERENT FASHION. IS BETHEL FARMS ABOUT 146 ACRES? I MEAN, ISN'T THAT COMPARABLE? YEAH, I'M JUST GETTING CLOSE. YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN, SO I MEAN, BETHEL FARMS ISN'T AT CAPACITY. IT'S CLOSE, RIGHT? IT'S VERY CLOSE. SO MAYBE FIVE LOTS IN THERE. LAST TIME WHEN I WENT THROUGH THERE, THAT WAS MY SOME PEOPLE HAD BOUGHT AN EXTRA LOT NEXT TO THEIR HOUSE, SO THEY'RE JUST HOLDING ON TO IT FOR THE SPACE. BUT AND SOME HAVE BEEN RECOMBINED. THERE WAS AN EMPTY LOT AND SO THEY SPLIT IT WITH THE PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES AND THE OWNER WILL GET NOTICE IF WE DO THIS APPLICATION SO HE CAN CALL THEM AND SAY IT'S A GREAT IDEA OR IT'S A TERRIBLE IDEA OR HE'S NEUTRAL ON IT. BUT THAT. BUT THIS CAME TO YOU ORIGINALLY FEBRUARY 14TH, 2008. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY KIDS LIVE IN BETHEL FARMS? JUST CURIOUS, IS THAT IS THAT 0.3 STILL ACCURATE? 0.40.4 KIDS IS WHAT IT IS. I THINK THERE'S 92 LOTS AND I WOULD SAY THERE'S 60 SOME HOMES. AND IF I HAD TO GUESS, JUST THROW A NUMBER OUT THERE, PROBABLY 25 KIDS, THAT'S IT. THAT'S PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A LITTLE LOW. BUT THAT'S AND THIS COUNTS KIDS WHO ARE IN GRADES K THROUGH 12. SO THERE ARE ALWAYS KIDS WHO ARE YOUNGER THAN KINDERGARTEN AND THERE'S ALWAYS KIDS WHO ARE OLDER THAN HIGH SCHOOL. AND THERE ARE SOME BABIES OUT THERE, TOO. SO, I MEAN, I GUESS IF YOU COUNT I WAS THINKING SCHOOL AGED KIDS, BUT IF YOU COUNT THE JUST THE ONES I KNOW, IT MIGHT BE A TAD BIT MORE. BUT I WAS SURPRISED AT HOW CLOSE VIRGINIA AND SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY WERE IN THEIR AVERAGE. THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY IS 4/10 OF A KID PER HOUSE SCHOOL AGE KID AND VIRGINIA IS 0.38 OF A KID PER HOUSE. SO THEY'RE VERY CLOSE AND THAT'S WHAT IT GENERALLY IS. AND AN AWFUL LOT OF PLACES, A LITTLE LESS BETWEEN A THIRD AND A HALF A KID PER HOUSE IS GENERATED. SO I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN. MS. LEWIS, SINCE THE GUY OWNS THE ENTIRE AREA AND WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THIS SUBDIVISION IN THIS AREA AND HE'S GOT ALL THIS SURVEYING AND ENVIRONMENTAL WORK AND ALL OF THAT STUFF DONE FOR HIS PLAN OF INDUSTRIAL PARK. WHAT'S THE CHANCE OF HIM I MEAN, DOES HE HAVE A CHOICE? YEAH, AS FAR AS THAT, WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. HE'LL COME, RIGHT. HE'LL TELL US WHAT HE THINKS. AND WE MAY SAY, BUT HE MAY LOVE THAT. CAN YOU DO THE REST? YEAH, I CAN SELL IT MORE. I MEAN, I DEFINITELY AGREE. I THINK IT'S A PRIME SPOT FOR WHAT WE DO. I'M TALKING ABOUT I THINK OUR RISK IS LOW. I MEAN, HE COMES IN AND HATES IT, YOU KNOW, THEN WE MAKE A RATIONAL DECISION. BUT WELL, YOU MIGHT WANT TO BONE UP ON WHAT HE PRESENTED BEFORE. SO WHEN HE SAYS, I OFFERED THIS TEN YEARS AGO, WHEN WAS IT TURNED DOWN THEN, YOU KNOW, WE. WELL, IT WAS APPROVED WASN'T IT. YEAH. I MEAN BUT SOME I THINK HE ORIGINALLY STARTED AS A MIXED USE AND I THINK SOMETHING RESIDENTIAL WAS APPROVED AND THEN HE TRIED TO EXPAND IT. [00:45:03] THAT WAS DISAPPROVED AND THEN THEY SWITCHED IT FROM RESIDENTIAL. IT'S ZONED M-1 RIGHT NOW. YEAH, I KNOW. THEN THEY SWITCHED IT FROM RESIDENTIAL TO M ONE, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE HOUSING MARKET CRASHED IN 08. THAT WAS THE BASIS. THAT REDEVELOPMENT THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO IN M-1 CRASHED WELL IN 2008. WAS TO CHANGE. 26 ACRES FROM SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL. AND TO CHANGE 120 ACRES FROM SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO MULTIFAMILY. SO THAT WOULD HAVE LEFT ABOUT 300 ACRES OF SINGLE FAMILY. SO HE HE WANTED. SO I RECALL SEEING THE PLAN. THE AREA CLOSER TO FRANKLIN ON THE EAST SIDE OF DELAWARE ROAD WAS GOING TO HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL AND SOME HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL NURSING HOME, I THINK SENIOR TARGETED HOUSING. SO HE NEEDED THE HIGHER DENSITY IS FOR SALE. NOTHING HAS HAPPENED EITHER DIRECTION AND I THINK THE ODDS RESIDENTIAL VERSUS THE M-1. I THINK THE ODDS ARE MUCH HIGHER BEING THAT OUR ALL OF OUR THE BOARD HAS SUGGESTED HAS SUGGESTED THAT WE LOOKED AT THAT. WE DISCUSSED THAT AS A BOARD ABOUT CHANGING THAT, TRYING TO CHANGE THAT ANYONE, WHICH LIMITS THINGS AND A LOT OF THINGS THAT ANYONE DON'T. SHOULDN'T GO THERE. I MEAN. AND TRYING TO CHANGE THIS TO GET THE DEVELOPER TO LET US CHANGE IT TO A MIXED ZONE WOULD MAKE IT EASIER TO TO ADVERTISE AND GET THINGS IN THERE. AND I MEAN, IT'S A SITE THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CONCENTRATE THE DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, AND SO, I MEAN, IT HAS A LOT OF A LOT OF PLUSES, RIGHT? HE HE STILL GAVE THE LAND TO THE COUNTY FOR THE SCHOOL. HE JUST DID IT IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. OR AS I KNOW. ALL RIGHT. SO THE FACT THAT HE AND THAT WAS IN SOME OF HIS PROFFERS, BUT THE FACT THAT HE STILL GAVE THE LAND TO THE COUNTY. OH, AND I'M LOOKING FOR FINE DETAILS. AND I KNOW I CAN'T GET THE ANSWER TO YOU TONIGHT, BUT WILL THAT LEAVE HIM GRANDFATHERED IN FOR CERTAIN? THINGS THAT ARE TO HIS BENEFIT THAT WE'RE NOT SEEING TALKING ABOUT THIS RIGHT NOW. SO IT'S ALL IN THE APPLICATION, RIGHT? MS. LEWIS I MEAN, IT'S ALL CONTRACTUAL. THERE'S NOTHING THERE THAT I'M AWARE OF. I READ IT. NO, THERE THE WHAT'S IN PLACE RIGHT NOW, THE M ONE, THE M-1 LIMITED RESIDENTIAL HAS A TEN PAGE PROFFER STATEMENT AND IS ALL ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING TO DEVELOP THERE FOR MANUFACTURING AND WAREHOUSING AND SOME COMMERCIAL ANYTHING THAT WAS IN PLACE BEFORE HAS GONE AWAY. OKAY. AND THE SCHOOL WAS GIVEN THE LAND WAS GIVEN TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND THAT PROCESS IS OVER. THAT PROCESS IS OVER. IT WENT AWAY WHEN IT CHANGED TO M-1. IT WASN'T EVEN PART OF IT. WHAT I'M GETTING AT, IT WAS GIVEN PRIOR TO BEING CHANGED TO M-1. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO THERE ISN'T THERE AREN'T ANY PREEXISTING CONDITIONS OUT THERE. IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION AND GO FORWARD WITH THIS, YOU WOULD GO FORWARD WITH EMPLOYMENT CENTER TO LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND CM-1. TWO ARE ONE. AND THAT WOULD BE JUST THIS PIECE, THIS 146 ACRES BEHIND THE SCHOOL. AND YOU MIGHT WANT TO SEE HOW THAT MOVES THROUGH THE PROCESS AND WHAT KIND OF. SO THE MOTION WOULD BE TO APPROVE THE PROCESS TO MOVE FORWARD. THEN WE WOULD HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE WOULD HAVE THE NOTICES TO THE SCHOOL, TO THE OWNER, TO EVERYBODY CONTIGUOUS, AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE A CHANCE TO TO HAVE OTHER INPUT. SO THE PROCESS WOULD TAKE. AND THEN IF WE APPROVE IT, IT WOULD GO TO THE BOARD. IT WOULD BE JUST LIKE IF ANY PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER DID THE SAME PROCESS IT WOULD COME TO. I THINK I THINK IT'S A NO BRAINER. AND THEN IN THE FUTURE I'D MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE. OKAY. HAVE A MOTION. MR. CHESSON HAS A QUESTION. QUESTION MOTION. I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS. IN THE INITIAL PART OF THE DISCUSSION, I THINK THERE WAS SOME REFERENCE ABOUT PRIVATE WELLS AND SEPTIC. IS IT THE ZONING OF R1 THAT WOULD RESTRICT IT TO AND TO TIE IT TO THE COUNTY UTILITIES? IN OTHER WORDS, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF ONLY IF. [00:50:02] WE COULD. WHAT WE'RE DOING IS GOING TO BE TIED TO THE COUNTY WATER AND SEWER. IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF US OF THIS PARTICULAR DESIGNATION HAVING PRIVATE WELL AND SEPTIC, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'D BE AS WARM. WELL. THE COUNTY HAS PLENTY OF SEPTIC CAPACITY. AS YOU RECALL, WHEN MR. HOWELL AND MS. SMITH WERE HERE. WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WATER FRANKLIN HAS. THEY DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WATER. FRANKLIN FRANKLIN DOESN'T KNOW HOW MUCH WATER THEY HAVE AVAILABLE BECAUSE PERHAPS THAT BIG JUICE PLANT IS GOING IN THEIR INDUSTRIAL PARK. THAT MAY BE A BIG WATER USER. SO FOR 60 OR 80 HOMES, IT MAY BE VERY LIKELY THAT THEY HAVE ENOUGH WATER TO TO SUPPLY THEM. IF YOU WANTED TO BUILD 400 HOMES HERE, THAT MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT STORY. BUT THEY VERY LIKELY HAVE 60 OR 80 HOUSES WORTH OF WATER AND THE COUNTY HAS PLENTY OF SEWER. I THINK I THINK, MR. CHESSON, THE QUESTION WAS, WOULD THEY BE CONSTRICTED TO HOOK ON TO UTILITIES? CAN YOU MAKE THAT DESIGNATION? CAN, CAN CAN WE PUT THAT, I GUESS, AS A GOVERNMENTAL PROFFER THAT THAT IT HAS TO BE TIED TO THE THE AND I KNOW THAT I KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT I'M ASKING IT OUT LOUD TO FRAME IT. BUT RIGHT NOW IT WOULD BE OPTIONAL. THE OTHER PART OF THIS IS PROFFERS CAN ONLY BE PROFFERED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER. GOVERNMENT CAN'T GET IN THE BUSINESS. SO YOU COULD. I CAN, BUT IT'S ILLEGAL. YOU COULD ENCOURAGE IT. BUT SINCE THE COUNTY IS NOT THE PROPERTY OWNER, THEY COULD NOT MANDATE IT. NOW, IF THE PROPERTY OWNER THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA AND HE THOUGHT THAT. HE COULD SELL THIS PROPERTY AND GET 60 OR 80 LOTS IN THERE IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. AND HE MAY BE MORE ENTITLED TO THE HOOKING UP TO THE CITY SEWER AND WATER, BECAUSE IF YOU TAKE A SEPTIC TANK AND A WELL, YOU'RE LOOKING AT $25,000 PER HOUSE. RIGHT. SO HE MAY PROFFER THAT. HE MAY SAY AS THIS PROCESS GOES ALONG. WELL, I'M THE PROPERTY OWNER AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THE PROFFER WOULD BE THAT THIS WOULD BE THE HOOKUP TO MUNICIPAL SERVICES. BUT NO, AS I DO NOT BELIEVE, AS LOCAL GOVERNMENT, WE CAN REQUIRE IT. COULD WE CREATE A NEW ZONE R-1S, WHICH MEANS SEWER AND THEN REZONE THIS TO R-1? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. BECAUSE THE COUNTY. I DON'T BELIEVE SO BECAUSE ZONING SPEAKS TO LAND USE. AND WHETHER THE PEOPLE IN THAT HOUSE HAVE A WELL AND SEPTIC OR THE PEOPLE IN THAT HOUSE HAVE MUNICIPAL WATER AND SEWER. IT'S STILL PEOPLE LIVING IN THE HOUSE AND THAT'S WHAT THE ZONING ORDINANCE GOVERNS. THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE HOUSE, NOT WHAT HAPPENS TO THEIR WASTE AND HOW THEY GET WATER. I MEAN, I GET BACK AT. WHAT ELSE ARE WE GOING TO PUT THERE? WHAT? WHAT ELSE ARE WE GOING TO PUT THERE? RIGHT BESIDE THE SCHOOL? WELL. WELL, THE SKYSCRAPERS. CAN I ASK THIS QUESTION? SO ANYBODY CAN, CAN, CAN CAN VOICE THEIR OPINION ON IT. WOULD A NEIGHBORHOOD. WOULD A NEIGHBORHOOD SETTING. THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD SETTING. WOULD IT WOULD IT REQUIRE LIKE A FIRE HYDRANT FOR FIRE PROTECTION? YES. SO SO WHO'S GOING TO PUT THAT SYSTEM IN? THE DEVELOPER OR. THAT'S A WATER SYSTEM. YES. SO THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IS GOING TO BE DOWN THE STREETS OR THE ROADS OR WHATEVER. CRAZY NOT TIE INTO IT IF THE WATER IS GOING TO BE THERE FOR A HYDRANT. YEAH. YOU KNOW, HE'S GOING THE WATER GOES RIGHT PAST THE HOUSE TO SUPPLY THE HOME WITH THE. THAT WOULD BE THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES FIRE HYDRANTS. OKAY. THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE REQUIRES FIRE HYDRANT. SO THAT WOULD HELP. THAT WOULD HELP. HELP SELL TO SELL THE ISSUE. BUT I'M WITH MR. CHESSON. YOU KNOW THAT IT WOULD BE A NO BRAINER IF THEY WERE. SO CALL REQUIRED. THIS IS GOING TO HAVE TWO STREETS. DOES IT LOOK. IT LOOKS LIKE YOU SEE ALL THAT WELL. WELL, WHAT THIS IS, IS A CONCEPTUAL PLAN. A DEVELOPER IS GOING TO COME IN WITH THEIR OWN RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT DON'T WE HAVE IT WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT HAS TO HAVE TWO, TWO EXITS? YOU KNOW, IT CAN'T BE ONE, ONE IN AND ONE OUT. THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S A VDOT REGULATION AND I'VE ASKED FOR I'VE ASKED FOR WHAT THE MAGIC NUMBER IS AND THERE IS NOT A MAGIC NUMBER. [00:55:01] I THOUGHT IT WAS MORE FOR FIRE AND RESCUE. REALLY? IT IS BUT VDOT SINCE THEY'RE ALL PUBLIC ROADS, VDOT IS THE ONE THAT WOULD REQUIRE IT. AND I'VE ASKED VDOT IN SOME PLACES IF IT'S MORE THAN 40 HOUSES. IN SOME PLACES IT'S IF IT'S MORE THAN 100 HOUSES. THE OFFICE IN FRANKLIN SAYS THERE THERE'S NOT THAT MAGIC NUMBER. THEY WOULD DETERMINE THEY WOULD LOOK AT THE STREET LAYOUT AND THEY WOULD DETERMINE IF IT WAS APPROPRIATE. BUT THAT'S WHY THIS ONE SHOWS THE CONNECTING TO THE EXISTING STREET AND A STUB. WELL, THAT'S WHAT I SAW THE STUB. BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT STUB WILL GO NOWHERE UNLESS IT GOES ON OUT TO DELAWARE ROAD AND AND VDOT COULD REQUIRE THAT IT GOES ALL THE WAY OUT TO DELAWARE ROAD. WE HAD A REALLY A LOT OF REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION BUT WE DO HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND AND WE NEED A MOTION IS CAN, CAN I, CAN I. YES, MA'AM. GO AHEAD. RESTATE THE MOTION JUST TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVEN'T DONE BEFORE. I THINK I KNOW WHAT IT WAS. IT'S YOUR MOTION. THE MOTION IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE APPLICATION THAT MS.. LEWIS HAS PROPOSED TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATION FROM EMPLOYMENT CENTER TO LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND TO AMEND THE ZONING DESIGNATION FROM CM ONE TO R ONE. YES. ON THAT PARTICULAR PARCEL ON TAX PARCEL 76, DASH 38, THE SECOND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PART OF SECOND. WELL, THERE'S THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER TO LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. THAT'S ONE. THE SECOND PART IS THE ZONING CHANGE FROM CM ONE TO R ONE. ALL RIGHT. WHO'S GOING TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE OWNER OF THE LAND? THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE. WOULDN'T THAT COME FIRST? WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT YET BECAUSE HE'S GOING TO GET NOTICE THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING. YEAH, HE'LL BE NOTIFIED. YOU CAN'T I MEAN, HE'S GOING TO GET NOTICE THAT ITS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS CHANGED, BUT WE CAN'T CHANGE THE ZONING ON THAT LAND. YES, WE CAN. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. YES, YOU CAN. YES, WE CAN. THE PLAN. KNOW ABOUT THAT? THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN THE CAN INITIATE IT. EXCUSE ME. ACTUALLY, DR. EDWARDS IS CORRECT. YOU CAN'T CHANGE IT, BUT YOU CAN RECOMMEND IT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THEY CAN CHANGE. AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. EVERYBODY NEEDS TO KNOW THAT. WE CAN'T JUST SAY WE'RE CHANGING THAT ZONING. THAT DOESN'T WORK. I AGREE THAT THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, THAT THE PROCESS HE GETS NOTICE AND THEN WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DECIDES, BUT WE DON'T DECIDE ANYTHING. WE RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. WE'RE JUST STARTING THE PROCESS NOW. I REALLY QUESTION WHETHER THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CAN COME BY AND CHANGE THE ZONING ON THAT. ONCE THIS FELLA HAS ITS OWN X, WE COME IN AND SAY IT'S GOING TO BE Y AND Z. BUT BUT HE'LL HAVE HE'LL HAVE PUBLIC. LET'S HEAR WHAT I THINK. IF YOU CAN DEFINITELY DO IT LEGALLY. IF YOU FOLLOW THE THE ORDINANCES, IF ANYTHING I'D SAY WOULD WOULD BE A MATTER OF POLICY. I WOULD JUST WARN EVERYONE THAT WHEN YOU INITIATE A ZONING CHANGE FOR A LANDOWNER THAT'S A SOPHISTICATED, WELL CAPITALIZED, WELL REPRESENTED PERSON, I THINK IT WOULD STAND TO REASON THAT IF THEY WANTED TO DO IT, THEY WOULD HAVE DONE IT THEMSELVES. AND YOU'RE APT TO BY A LEGAL CHALLENGE, YOU LIKELY WILL WIN IF IT'S IF YOU FOLLOW THE LAW. BUT YOU'RE LIKELY BUYING A LAWSUIT TO TO REZONE A VERY SOPHISTICATED PERSON'S PROPERTY ON YOUR OWN MOTION, IF YOU WILL. I WOULD I WOULD SUBMIT, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, IF HE THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA, HE WOULD HAVE PROBABLY INITIATED HIS OWN APPLICATION. THAT'S A POLICY ARGUMENT. SUGGEST THAT MAYBE THIS PLANNING COMMISSION SUGGESTS THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS LOOK INTO, TALK WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT PEOPLE AND GET THEM TO ESTABLISH SOME CONTACT, SOME SOME SORT OF REPERTOIRE WITH THIS LANDOWNER. BUT LIKE I SAID, THE COUNTY CAN'T COME IN AND REZONE THIS. I'M PRETTY SURE THAT YOU CAN'T TAKE SOMEBODY'S LAND AS X AND I'M GOING TO REZONE IT TO Y. YOU CAN'T. ISN'T THAT CORRECT? THAT'S NOT WHAT YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE SAYS. I BELIEVE UNDER OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, THE BOARD CAN DO IT. YES, BUT IT WILL CREATE A. YEAH, BUT YOU'RE DEALING YOU'RE DEALING WITH A GUY THAT'S GOT 400 ACRES THERE AND ABOUT 50 LAWYERS. OKAY. YOU THINK THAT'S GOING TO GO THROUGH? THAT'S. WELL, THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK. WHAT I'M SAYING IS SOMEBODY NEEDS TO GO TO THE OWNER. SOMEBODY FROM THE COUNTY OFFICIALLY SAY THIS IS WHAT WE LIKE TO DO. WE MAKE IT EASIER FOR YOU TO SELL THAT PROPERTY AND DEVELOP IT. I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S THE FIRST STEP. NOW, IF YOU WANT TO PUT IN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE WANT TO DO THAT. OKAY. BUT I GUARANTEE YOU, I MEAN, THE COUNTY'S NOT GOING TO GO INTO A TEN YEAR LAWSUIT FOR 4 OR 5 MILLION BUCKS OVER THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. [01:00:04] MAYBE I'M MISSING THE POINT HERE, BUT ISN'T THAT THE WHOLE POINT OF THE PUBLIC HEARING? AND WE GET HIS COMMENTS? I MEAN, ISN'T THAT THE WHOLE POINT? YEAH, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE WE WANT TO SEND WE DON'T WANT TO GET INVOLVED IN A TEN YEAR LAWSUIT. YEAH, BUT YOU WANT TO YOU WANT TO CONTACT THIS GUY FIRST. YOU DON'T WANT HIM TO GO TO A NOTE IN THE PAPER THAT THIS IS COMING UP TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I MEAN, THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME CORRESPONDENCE AND SOME CONTACT WITH HIM FIRST. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL LIKE IT IF YOUR PLACE AND YOU GOT A NOTICE IN THE MAIL YOUR BUSINESS WAS GOING TO BE RESIGNED? THIS IS GOING TO COME UP. OKAY. BUT I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO, ECONOMIC ANALYSIS. OKAY, I THINK WE CAN CHANGE. AND THEN I WOULD COME TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE CAN RECOMMEND CHANGE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. BUT ALSO I THINK WE NEED TO RECOMMEND THAT THE BOARD LOOK INTO THROUGH MR. HECK AND OUR SECRETARY HERE ABOUT ESTABLISHING SOME SORT OF REPERTOIRE WITH THIS GENTLEMAN TO LET HIM KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. BECAUSE IF HE GETS A SURPRISE, YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THERE. NO, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT. I AGREE 100% WITH DR. EDWARDS. SO I AGREE. I'M WITH DR. EDWARDS AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK OUT OF TURN PENDING LEGAL OPINION WITH MY OPINION. BUT I THINK THE COMMON SENSE OF IT IS THAT IF YOU IF YOU INITIATE A REZONING OF THAT OWNER'S PROPERTY ON YOUR OWN MOTION WITHOUT HIS CONSENT, I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BUY A LAWSUIT. YOU LIKELY WIN IT. IF YOU HE MAY CHALLENGE OUR ORDINANCES, WE MAY WIN IT. BUT HE HE'S NOT THE TYPE OF OWNER THAT'S GOING TO GO DOWN EASY. I MAY SUGGEST THAT IT BE TABLED AND THAT SOMEONE FROM THE BOARD REACH OUT TO THE OWNER AND INDICATE THAT THE COUNTY MAY BE AMENABLE TO A REZONING. HE MAY HAVE BEEN QUIET BECAUSE HE WASN'T REALLY MET WITH OPEN ARMS THE LAST TIME HE PUT AN APPLICATION IN. SO IF HE WAS INFORMED THAT IT MAY MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD GO THROUGH, HE HE MAY MAKE THE APPLICATION HIMSELF. I TOLD MR. HECK THAT YOU WOULD LIKELY DISCUSS THIS THIS EVENING, AND I WILL WE CAN WE CAN GET THIS ON THE AGENDA AT THE JUNE THIS MONTH'S MEETING. THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO I HAVE A MOTION. ACTUALLY, MR. TURNER SECONDED YOUR. YOUR MOTION. NO, NO, I THINK WE'RE BEING. OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO CLARIFY. EVERYTHING MR. RIDLEY SAID IS COMMONSENSICAL, OKAY? AND WE CAN MAKE CONTACT. SOMEBODY COULD CALL HIM. BUT I THINK YOU WANT TO GO FORWARD. THAT'S MY MOTION. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MR. TURNER. IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? FOR MY PART OF THE DISCUSSION INCLUDES. I GUESS I'M IN FAVOR OF THE CONCEPT. IF IT INVOLVES SOMEHOW AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE SOME REQUIREMENTS GIVEN A REAL LOW DENSITY LOT THAT IT'S SERVICED BY CENTRAL UTILITIES. RIGHT. I FEEL LIKE MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT OUR ZONING ORDINANCE BEFORE WE WOULD ENCOURAGE THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT ON SEPTIC. AND BECAUSE OF THAT, I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF THE REZONING IDEA. I'M IN FAVOR I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO FOR THIS COMMISSION TO RECOMMEND A CHANGE IN THE PLANNING DOCUMENT, BUT NOT A REZONING TO RECOMMEND THE CHANGE IN THE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS A PLAN. OKAY. BUT NOT A REZONE. NO, WE CAN'T WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. WELL, THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE FLOOR IS A. RECOMMENDED CHANGE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS WELL AS A RECOMMENDED REZONING THAT. COULD I ASK A QUESTION? WOULD MR. LEWIS, COULD WE JUST DO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND NOT THE REZONING? CERTAINLY, YEAH, WE CERTAINLY CAN. I WOULD AMEND MY MOTION THAT WE DO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND NOT THE REZONING. IS THAT ACCEPTABLE? TURNER OKAY. SO WE CAN GET SOMETHING GOING. I THINK WE NEED A RECOMMENDATION FROM SOMEBODY ALSO THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OFFICIAL RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS SUPERVISORS START LOOKING INTO THIS. WELL, CAN WE CALL FOR THE QUESTION? YEAH, LET'S SEE IF THE MOTION PASSES AND THEN WE CAN ADDRESS WHAT IS THE MOTION. NOW, AGAIN, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT FROM AND JUST TO MAKE CLEAR AND MAYBE THIS WAS MISSED IN TRANSLATION, WE SEND NOTICE OUT FOR PART OF THIS. THE OWNER COMES IN AND IS COMPLETELY AGAINST IT OR WE DO DIALOG WITH HIM. I'M PROBABLY NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR IT BECAUSE I'M AN OWNER'S RIGHTS PERSON. RIGHT. BUT WE'RE WHAT'S OUR JOB? [01:05:05] TO TRY AND DIRECT THIS COUNTY. AND DEVELOP THINGS IN THE CORRECT PLACE. I THINK WE'RE DOING THAT. WE'RE SAYING NO. I MEAN, THIS IS REALLY OUR IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THAT'S THE FIRST STEP. I AGREE. I AGREE. THAT'S WHAT I AGREE. BUT WE'RE GOING DOWN A RABBIT TRAIL LIKE WE'RE GOING TO UPSET A SOPHISTICATED DEVELOPER. BUT WE CAN'T WE CAN'T REZONE IT. I MEAN, WHAT LISTEN TO MR. RILEY HERE. WHAT'S THIS? WHAT'S THIS GUY GOING TO MAKE AN ENEMY RIGHT OFF THE BAT? I MEAN, WHAT'S GOING TO WHAT'S HE GOING TO DO? I'M TALKING ABOUT PARTNERSHIPS. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ENEMIES. I'VE NOT I'VE NOT USED ANY NEGATIVE TERMS AT ALL. THIS IS EXPLORING WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WITH THE LANDOWNER IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE COUNTY, TO DIRECT IN A NON PASSIVE WAY, BUT IN A PRODUCTIVE WAY OF WHERE WE WANT TO PUT HOUSING BECAUSE OUR CURRENT HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS ARE AT NEAR CAPACITY. THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, IS A POLICY TO MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION. ALL RIGHT. MISS. MISS HAS CALLED FOR QUESTIONS. I'M TRYING TO BE CONSIDERATE. HEAR THE COMMENTS, MR. RILEY, BEFORE WE VOTE. IN YOUR OPINION, ARE WE STILL OKAY WITH JUST ASKING FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT? YES, SIR. THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE OKAY. YES, SIR. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, CAN YOU READ THE MOTION? AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE VOTING ON AN AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR TAX PARCEL 76, DASH 38 FROM THE CURRENT EMPLOYMENT CENTER DESIGNATION TO LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. OKAY, SO IT'S A CONCEPT. IT'S AN IDEA. AND THEN WE'LL SEE WHAT KIND OF FEEDBACK WE GET IF IT GOES FORWARD TO A HEARING. DOES EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THE MOTION NOW? SECONDED BY MR. TURNER. AND I WILL CALL FOR THE VOTE. AND I'M GOING TO ASK THIS TIME IF YOU WILL RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION. ALL IN FAVOR? OKAY. ANY OPPOSED. I JUST THINK WE OUGHT TO GO TO HIM FIRST. AND I JUST THINK THAT'S THE PROPER WAY. IF I WAS THE LANDOWNER, I WOULD BE FURIOUS IF SOMEBODY DID THAT TO ME. OKAY, I UNDERSTAND. WELL, WE'RE NOT DOING IT. THAT'S WHAT I SAID. I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND. BUT I STILL MY MOTION WOULD BE THE SECOND MOTION WOULD BE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMEND THAT THE BOARD START LOOKING INTO SOME NEGOTIATIONS WITH WHOEVER THE OWNER IS CONCERNING THE CHANGES. AND WE'RE PASSING THIS RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. I UNDERSTAND. I THINK THIS MOTION I THINK ONE MORE MEETING, IF WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE OWNER, WOULD WE WOULD DO GREAT STRIDES TO DO THAT PRIOR TO GIVING THIS TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THIS MOTION THAT YOU MADE TONIGHT, I'M ASSUMING, OKAY. THIS MOTION THAT YOU MADE TONIGHT WOULD MAKE AN APPLICATION LIKE THIS, JUST LIKE MANY OF YOU HAVE DONE FOR YOUR PROPERTIES. AND I'D PUT AN AD IN THE TIDEWATER NEWS AND I'D SEND NOTICES TO ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITH THE MOTION YOU MADE TONIGHT. I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT. OKAY. MAY I SPEAK NOW? YES, SIR. OKAY, MR. RANDALL. AND MAYBE MY MY BUSINESS SENSE IS KICKING IN. I'M ASSUMING THAT MS.. LEWIS WILL DO THAT, THAT WE'LL GIVE A CALL, OR MR. REILLY WILL GIVE A CALL AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO. I MEAN, COULD WE DO THAT? I MEAN, I WAS JUST ASSUMING THAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE DONE. I WOULD THINK YOU WOULD GO TO HIM AND SAY, LOOK, WE'RE RETHINKING OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE'RE RETHINKING THE ZONING THAT'S DESIGNATED OUT THERE NOW. ANYONE GOING TO RESIDENTIAL. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THIS? AND IF YOU ARE, WE WILL PUT THIS FORWARD AS A MOTION TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS. AND HE SAID, AND YOU CAN STOP ANY ISSUES THERE. HE EITHER SAYS YES OR NO. LET ME THINK ABOUT IT. RIGHT. IT IS ONE MORE MEETING GOING TO MAKE THAT MUCH DIFFERENCE? I WOULD SAY NO. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT. IN LINE WITH WHAT MR. WHAT MR. DAY SAID, IF HE'S AMENABLE TO THE CHANGE, THEN THAT GIVES. THIS BOARD AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AN OPPORTUNITY TO AGREE TO ALL THE DETAILS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED TONIGHT AND AND APPLICABLE PROFFERS. AND THEN THE APPLICATION WILL COME THROUGH AND BE TAILORED TO WHAT EVERYONE WANTS AND BE IN A POSITION TO BE APPROVED, PROBABLY PRETTY EASILY WITH ALL OF EVERYBODY'S CONCERNS ADDRESSED. IF IT WAS NEGOTIATED PRIOR TO THE APPLICATION OR DURING THE APPLICATION PROCESS, RATHER THAN JUST DONE ON THIS BOARD'S MOTION AND THE OWNER FOUND OUT BY A NOTICE BEING MAILED. [01:10:04] WELL, CAN I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE IT FOR ONE MEETING TO START THAT PROCESS? I WOULD MAKE THAT MOTION. OKAY. I WOULD SECOND THAT. WAIT, WAIT. WHAT ARE WE DOING NOW? ALL RIGHT. NUMBER ONE, WE OKAYED THIS TO CHANGE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. EVERYBODY THAT CORRECT? YES. OKAY. I THINK THE NEXT STEP IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION NEEDS TO ASK THE BOARD TO HAVE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PEOPLE LOOK INTO TALKING WITH THIS GENTLEMAN, THIS LANDOWNER. AND LETTING THEM KNOW WHAT WE THINK AND WE'LL SEE WHAT HE THINKS. WELL, DON'T WE HAVE TO PUT THIS IN THE PAPER IN THE NEXT. IT WOULD HAVE. NO, WE HAVE TWO WEEKS. YOU KNOW, WE GET WE GOT MRS LOUIS. AND HECK, I WOULD AMEND MY MOTION TO ADD THE LANGUAGE THAT DR. EDWARDS HAD. AND I'M ASSUMING ALL THIS IN THE MOTION. I'M JUST NOT SAYING IT ALL. THE MOTION, THE PREVIOUS MOTION OF MR. RANDALL SAID CARRIED. I THINK IF YOU WERE GOING TO EFFECT AN AMENDMENT, YOU'D PROBABLY NEED A NEW MOTION TO RESCIND THE FORMER, THE FORMER MOTION AND VOTE. I'D MAKE A MOTION TO RESCIND MY PRIOR. WE'RE COMPLICATING THIS, BUT WE'LL DO IT YOUR WAY, MR. REILLY. YOU WANT TO RESCIND THE ORIGINAL ORIGINAL MOTION? YES. WE DON'T NEED TO CHANGE THE ORIGINAL MOTION, DO WE? WE ALREADY SAID WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M CONFUSED ABOUT. BECAUSE WHY WOULD WE FILL OUT AN APPLICATION TO CHANGE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? THAT'S A THAT WOULD BE IN THE ZONING REGULATIONS SIDE, WHICH WAS WHAT WE TOOK AWAY FROM IT. BUT THE PLAN, IF YOU'RE CHANGING YOUR ENCOURAGING, YOU'RE JUST CHANGING THE WORDING IN THERE THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE. YEAH, IT DOES TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS. IF YOU ARE NOW, YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS A WHOLE. SO YOU COULD LOOK AT PIECES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE AND CHANGE THEM WHEN YOU ADOPTED THIS PLAN IN 2024. BUT IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING NOW, YOU NEED TO GO THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS. ALL RIGHT. MR. CHESSON HAS A QUESTION. SO WHAT WOULD BE BESIDES THE EXPEDIENCY OF PROMOTING THIS IDEA? I MEAN, I THOUGHT WE'D BEEN IN THE BUSINESS OF CHANGING OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND WE'RE MAKING CHANGES TO DIFFERENT AREAS, AND WE'RE JUST FOCUSING ON THIS. I MEAN, IS THERE ANYTHING WRONG WITH INCLUDING THIS AND THIS IS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THEN WHEN WE GO TO CHANGE IT, WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK. WE'RE BACKED UP BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. RIGHT. I KNOW. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS WHY DO WE TO NOT TO HIT THE HORNET'S NEST AND UPSET THE OWNER? WHY DON'T WE JUST SAY WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND FINE DETAIL AND THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY IS COMING UNDER THE RADAR AND THIS IS THE IDEA THAT WE'RE HAVING. AND COME 2024, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATION AND YOU'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY IN THE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND ALSO IN THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT WE WILL HAVE FOR THE ENTIRE PLAN EXACTLY WHAT HIS MOTION WE VOTED ON SAID, YEAH, BUT DO YOU EXACTLY WHAT IT DID. BUT HIS MOTION WAS GOING TO PUT INTO GEAR AND CAUSE EXPENSE FOR THE ADDITIONAL EXPENSE AND ADDITIONAL PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE COUNTY. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS DELAY DO THIS NOW OR DO YOU WANT TO DO THIS A YEAR FROM NOW? THE PLAN. OKAY. OKAY. SO LET'S LET'S DISCUSS THAT. THAT IS. DO YOU WANT TO DO IT? DUE TO FAST TRACK OR JUST LET IT HAPPEN IN THE PLAN. AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, I THINK YOU NEED TO LEAVE IT IN THE PLAN. YOU DON'T WANT TO GET THIS OUT FAST TRACK AGAINST THIS GUY UNTIL WE'VE TALKED WITH HIM. WHOEVER OWNS THIS PLACE, UNTIL WE SIT DOWN AND SAY, YOU KNOW, OKAY, HERE'S WHAT WE THINK. IT'S HARD TO DEVELOP THIS PIECE OF THAT. LIKE, YOU HAVE IT NOW AT ANYONE. WE LIKE TO CHANGE THIS AND GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. YEAH, AND LET HIM BUY INTO IT. AND THAT WAY LET HIM RUN WITH IT OR SAY THE HECK WITH IT. MAYBE YOU CAN TIE THAT INTO THE SEWER ARGUMENT THERE AND HE MIGHT DIG HIS HEELS IN OTHERWISE AND SAY, NO, I DON'T. EVERYTHING'S GOING WELL. HE MAY HE COULD HAVE OTHER PLANS. WE DON'T KNOW THAT YET. YES, I AGREE. SO WHAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS TONIGHT IS THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND REPRESENTATIVES OF THE COUNTY DISCUSS WITH THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER. WHAT? THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THANKS IS A BETTER USE FOR THIS PROPERTY AND WOULD THE DEVELOPER LIKE US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT? CORRECT. OR IS THERE ANOTHER PLAN? HE ALREADY HAS IN PLACE? POSSIBLY. SO DO WE. DO WE? SO YOU HAVE NO MOTION NOW BECAUSE JACK'S DEMOTED TO TO DO THAT. [01:15:08] OKAY. TO ASK THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PEOPLE, WE CAN PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. AND THIS MEETING IN JUNE, THE FOURTH. TUESDAY. AND GET THE BALL ROLLING. THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS DISCUSSED IT. YES, WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED IT. YOU ALREADY DISCUSSED IT LAST MONTH. I WOULD SECOND THAT MOTION. OKAY. GOT A MOTION THAT. MR. RAILA, WE'RE STILL IN TUNE HERE. I'LL BE SURE TO RESCIND THE ORIGINAL MOTION. YES, THE ORIGINAL MOTION IS GONE. WE VOTE ON THAT. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO PUT THIS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? THAT'S DONE. OKAY. OKAY. SO YOU LEAVE IN THAT BECAUSE, SEE, HE AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND NOW, WE'RE A YEAR FROM NOW. YEAH. I MADE A MOTION THAT TO FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO OFFICIALLY ASK THE BOARD TO LOOK INTO THIS AND GET IT GOING THROUGH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PEOPLE ETCETERA. BUT IF THE PROPERTY OWNER DOESN'T WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH IT, YOU WOULD LIKE TO AMEND. YOU MADE A MOTION TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN A YEAR FROM NOW AND THE ADOPTION OF THE. IT'S STILL ZONED. WE CAN'T REZONE IT. STILL ZONED ANYONE. WE'RE JUST SAYING WE LIKE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. HE DECIDED TO DO SOMETHING IN ANYONE. THAT'S. THAT'S TOUGH LUCK, RIGHT? OKAY, SO THERE'S A MOTION FROM DR. EDWARDS TO ASK FSD AND COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES TO WORK WITH THE OWNER TO SEE IF HE WANTS TO CHANGE. THE PLANNING DESIGNATION AND THE ZONING DESIGNATION FOR THIS 146 ACRES TO RESIDENTIAL. OKAY, EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THE MOTION. IS THAT THE MOTION? NOW HAVE A MOTION BY DR. EDWARDS. DO I HAVE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? SECOND, MR. DAY, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? I'M ASKING THE QUESTION WHAT WE VOTED ON WITH JACK THAT'S BEEN VOTED ON AND APPROVED. HOW IS THAT MOTION STAND? I MEAN, IT PASSED WITH US. IT WAS PASSED THE POINT OF RESCINDING IT. SO IT'S RIGHT. IT PASSED 8 TO 1. WE NEED TO WE WOULD NEED TO VOTE TO EITHER RESCIND IT OR NOT, AND WE'D HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT. YES. SO I KNOW EXACTLY. YOU YOU SAID YOU WOULD RESCIND IT. I WAS TRYING. WE DIDN'T VOTE ON IT. YEAH, WE DIDN'T VOTE ON. OKAY. SO I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO RESCIND HIS PRIOR THING. SO I WILL I WILL SECOND HIS MOTION. THIS OFFICIALLY DOESN'T GO IN. IN THE ALL UNTIL WE PRESENT THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO THE BOARD AND THE BOARD ON IT. SO. WE'RE NOT DOING SOMETHING. BE PUTTING THE HORSE BEFORE THE CART HERE, THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE OR WHATEVER. OKAY. SO, ALL RIGHT. SO THE MOTION IS TO RESCIND TO RESCIND THE MOTION TO GO AHEAD WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. AND IT WAS MADE BY MISTER RANDALL AND SECONDED BY MR. MANN. CORRECT. TO RESCIND THAT MOTION. I WAS TRYING TO AGREE WITH YOU, MR. DAY. I WAS TRYING MY HARDEST. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO NOW IS TO RESCIND THE ORIGINAL MOTION. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IT'S ALL IN FAVOR OF RESCINDING. MR. RANDALL ORIGINAL MOTION. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. OKAY. THAT IS UNANIMOUS. OKAY. WELL, IT'S UNANIMOUS. AND THEN WE GOT ANOTHER MOTION ON THE TABLE. [Additional Item] NOW WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION. RIGHT. THERE'S A MOTION, A SECOND BY MR. DE TO ASK FSD AND COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES TO WORK WITH CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER TO SEE IF HE WOULD CONSIDER A CHANGE TO A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, A RESIDENTIAL ZONING DESIGNATION, AND WE WOULD SHOW HIM THIS DESIGNATION. EXAMPLE IS AN EXHIBIT ONE AND THAT WAS SECONDED BY MR. DAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ON THIS MOTION? YOU GOT A QUESTION? NO, NO, NO. I'M JUST READY TO VOTING. READY TO VOTE? MR.. ARE WE STILL GOOD? YES, SIR. CALL FOR THE VOTE. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE AGAIN. WILL YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND IF YOU'RE IN FAVOR? IT IS UNANIMOUS. OKAY. MISS LEWIS, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, SIR. SHE'S RUNNING OUT OF PAPER. AND THAT IS ALL THAT IS ON YOUR AGENDA TONIGHT. OKAY. I WON'T SEE HOW THE NOTES WRITE THAT UP. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. WE ACCOMPLISHED IT. WE DON'T HAVE A RECORDED. I'M EXHAUSTED FROM ALL OF THAT. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT NEEDS TO BECOME ON MY AGENDA? OKAY. WE COVERED ALL THE BASES TONIGHT. YOU OKAY, JACK? I'M GOOD. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THERE'S NO IS THERE ANY NEW BUSINESS TO COME FORWARD? [01:20:05] ALL RIGHT. IF NOT, SEE WHAT YOU THINK OF THAT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION THAT WE ADJOURN. NO, I CAN THROW AWAY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION. I WILL NOT RESCIND. I HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. I GOT A SECOND. OKAY. OFFICIALLY ADJOURNED. I GUESS, WHEN I GAVE IT TO YOU. Y'ALL HAVE A SAFE TRIP HOME. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR INPUT. GOT A LITTLE COMPLICATED TIME, EMOTION. GOSH, DRAKE APPRECIATE Y'ALL. I WAS. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.