[I. CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL]
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I'D LIKE TO CALL TO THE MAY MEETING OF THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER.I'M GOING TO ASK AT THIS TIME FOR EVERYONE TO STAND.
AND WE'LL RECITE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PLEDGE.
I WANT TO ASK IF EVERYONE WOULD REMAIN STANDING, PLEASE.
MR. CHESSON, WOULD YOU BE KIND ENOUGH TO LEAD US IN THE INVOCATION, PLEASE? I WOULD LIKE TO JOIN HIM IN PRAYER.
LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR THE STRENGTH THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US TO BE ABLE TO GATHER HERE TONIGHT.
LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR THE WISDOM.
BUT LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS COUNTY, OUR STATE, AND OUR NATION.
AND LORD, TONIGHT, SPECIFICALLY, I PRAY FOR OUR LEADERS HERE.
GIVE YOU MORE HONOR AND MORE GLORY.
HELP US. HELP US GIVE YOU MORE PRAISE.
AND I PRAY THESE THINGS IN YOUR SON.
AMEN. AMEN. YOU MAY BE SEATED.
THANK YOU, MR. CHESSON. AGAIN, I WELCOME EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU HERE TONIGHT.
WE'RE STILL UPDATING OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND MY BOARD MEMBERS AND MR. LEWIS AND MISS BAKER, APPRECIATE YOU ALL BEING IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT.
GOOD TO SEE YOU. I'LL SHAKE YOUR HAND AFTER THE MEETING.
BUT IT'S GOOD TO HAVE EVERYBODY HERE TONIGHT.
[II. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
MOVING RIGHT ALONG WITH OUR AGENDA.AND I SEE EVERYBODY HAS A PACKET IN FRONT OF THEM.
IS THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR COMMENTS REGARDING THE MINUTES OF THE PAST MEETING? APRIL MINUTES. ANY CORRECTIONS? ANY ADDITIONS? ANY COMMENTS? NOT.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION THAT THEY BE APPROVED AS READ.
MOTION TO APPROVE. I HAVE A MOTION AND A PROPER SECOND IS ANY OTHER DISCUSSION.
IF NOT, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE APRIL MINUTES AS PRESENTED.
OPPOSED LIKE SIGN. AND THEY ARE PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
MOVING RIGHT ALONG TO ITEM NUMBER THREE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
SO AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT, PERIOD.
OKAY. ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS PUBLIC HEARINGS, AND WE HAD NONE SCHEDULED FOR THIS EVENING.
[V. UNFINISHED BUSINESS]
SO WE'LL GET RIGHT TO THE HEART OF THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT.ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
AND THIS WILL TAKE US INTO THE DISCUSSION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND MISS LEWIS, I KNOW I SAW SOME PAPERWORK ABOUT THE PUBLIC WORKS AND UTILITIES DEPARTMENT.
WE MAY HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE TONIGHT.
I WILL LET YOU GO FORWARD, MA'AM.
MISS SMITH PROVIDED ADDRESSES FOR ALL OF THEM.
THEY'RE ALL NOTED ON THE MAP UP THERE, AND YOU HAVE A SMALL ONE IN FRONT OF YOU AS WELL.
THE GREEN DOTS ARE THE WASTEWATER, ARE THE PUMP STATIONS, THE YELLOW CIRCLES ARE THE PLANTS.
AND MR. HOWLAND, MISS SMITH CAN ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS, TAKE YOU THROUGH IT.
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THAT THE COUNTY'S UTILITY DEPARTMENT SERVES.WOULD YOU MIND COMING? BOTH OF YOU COMING FORWARD? WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT A LOT OF PRESSURE.
I THINK THERE WAS SOME ISSUES ABOUT THE CAPACITIES OF THE WATER SUPPLY, THE WAY OF THE WATER TANKS OR WHATEVER, STORAGE TANKS, AND THEN ABOUT SOME VARIOUS PIPING, ESPECIALLY GOING INTO THE BALKANS FROM NEWSOMS INTO BALKANS.
SO I'M GOING TO LET ANYONE ON THE PANEL, IF YOU REMEMBER THOSE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, WE GOT THE ONES TONIGHT THAT CAN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS, AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND START IT OFF.
I KNOW SEVERAL YEARS AGO THERE WAS A POTENTIAL DEVELOPER CAME TO THE NEWSOMS AREA THAT WANTED TO PUT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD TYPE SETTING.
AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, IT WAS SOME ISSUES, NOT THE PIPELINE, AND THIS WOULD BE THE WASTEWATER PIPELINE GOING DOWN 671.
BUT LIKE WHEN IT'S GOING INTO BALKANS, MAYBE THAT A BIGGER LINE WENT INTO A SMALLER LINE AND IT COULD NOT GET TO THE TREATMENT PLANT EFFICIENTLY.
IS THAT CORRECT OR IS THAT A FALSE INTERPRETATION? IT SEEMS LIKE NEWSOMS RIGHT NOW IS CAVANAUGH.
SO WE'RE AT. AND ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WITHIN THE TOWN OF NEWSOMS? WELL, NO, IT WOULD BE IN THE TOWN OF BALKAN AS IT GOES INTO BALKANS TO GET TO THE TREATMENT PLANT.
OKAY. AND 15 YEARS AGO, I GUESS SOMEONE WANTED TO DEVELOP A NEIGHBORHOOD THERE, CORRECT? AND IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WAS A LIMIT.
THAT WAS MY INTERPRETATION OF MY FEELING, LIKE THERE WAS LIMITATIONS ON TRANSPORTING SEWER FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, GETTING IT TO THE TREATMENT PLANT THAT'S IN BOYKINS.
I THINK I COULD PROBABLY ANSWER THAT EASIER THAN AMANDA.
OKAY. IN THE BALLPARK ROAD AREA, ALL OF THAT SEWER FLOWS BY GRAVITY TO THAT PUMP STATION THAT'S AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL BY NEWSOMS BAPTIST CHURCH.
OKAY, SO EVERY DROP FROM THE TOWN OF NEWSOMS RUNS DOWN THAT HILL TO THAT PUMP STATION.
THAT PUMP STATION PUMPS IT BACK UP AND DOWN.
671. SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF THE SOLAR FIELD THAT DUMPS INTO A MANHOLE AND IT GOES GRAVITY FROM THERE TO THAT PUMP STATION DOWN BY THE TRAILER PARK.
IF YOU'RE IN BALL PARK ROAD, IF YOU'RE 15, 20 HOUSES.
IT'S REALLY NO CAPACITY PROBLEM.
THE PIPES ARE BIG ENOUGH, THE PUMP STATION IS BIG ENOUGH.
THE CAPACITY TO PUMP STATION DOWNSTREAM IS BIG ENOUGH.
I WOULD EVEN SAY PROBABLY 50 HOUSES WOULDN'T BE ANY KIND OF ISSUE.
OKAY OF THE MAJORITY OF THAT SEWER IS RELATIVELY NEW COMPARED TO A LOT OF OTHER STUFF.
BOYKINS IS A DIFFERENT MATTER ENTIRELY.
THEY HAVE SOME THAT'S ALMOST A HUNDRED YEARS OLD.
YOU GET OUTSIDE OF NEWSOMS OF.
MANN RIGHT. SO THE NUMBER OF HOUSES REALLY WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM.
A SMALL INDUSTRY THAT DOESN'T USE A LOT OF WATER WOULDN'T REALLY BE A PROBLEM.
YOU KNOW, A HIGH WATER USAGE, 100 HOUSES IN ONE SPOT, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU MAY RUN INTO SOME INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEMS. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE TALKING 20, 25 HOUSES, I THINK THAT CERTAINLY BE WITHIN THE CAPABILITIES OF THE SYSTEM RIGHT NOW.
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OKAY, THAT'S GOOD. WELL, THANK YOU.SO SHE AND MR. HOWELL ARE READY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
THE PUMP STATION YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IS THE ONE IN NEWSOMS IN THE LITTLE AT THE BOTTOM POINT OF THE WHERE IT SAYS NEWSOMS. RIGHT.
DID A SOUTH SIDE OF RIVER TRACK.
YEAH, IT'S GOT A NUMBER ON IT.
YEAH, I'M FROM THE ACROSS FROM THE BAPTIST CHURCH.
CORRECT. YEAH. AND EVERYTHING FROM NEWSOMS GOES THERE.
EVERY DROP. EVEN EVEN ON THOMPSON ROAD AREA, THERE'S A PUMP STATION ON THOMPSON ROAD THAT PUMPS IT OUT, TOO. AND I WANT TO SAY THAT MANHOLE IS.
IT MAY ACTUALLY TAP INTO A MANHOLE ON 671 AND THEN RUNS DOWN TO THAT CHURCH AND THAT PUMP STATION IS PROBABLY UNDER THE LATTER SECOND ESSER AND NEWSOMS. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING.
AND THEN ALL OF THAT PUMPS TO THAT PUMP STATION.
IT IS FOR THE TRAILER PARK AND THEN IT'S FORCED MANN FROM THERE.
ACTUALLY, WHEN YOU TURN FROM 671 ONTO 35 LIKE IT HEADING INTO BOYKINS, RIGHT THERE AT THAT CORNER, THERE'S A MANHOLE UP ON THE HILL A LITTLE BIT, AND THAT'S WHERE IT DUMPS INTO AND IT RUNS DOWN AND RUNS UNDER THE CREEK AND TAKES KIND OF A CONVOLUTED PATH TO THE PUMP STATION ON BRYANT AVENUE.
SO THAT KIND OF ANSWERS QUESTIONS.
IF YOU WERE CONSIDERING ENCOURAGING A, YOU KNOW, A TRADITIONAL, WALKABLE, LOW NEIGHBORHOOD GRIDDED STREETS, IF THE WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE IS THERE ON THAT IN THAT AREA AROUND BALLPARK ROAD.
THAT MAY BE SOMETHING MS LEWIS CONSIDER.
SO I WOULD ASK BECAUSE I WASN'T HERE LAST MEETING, BUT KIND OF GETTING IDEAS FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ZONING WITH, WITH THE PROPER INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO ALL ROAD AREA AND I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA PLAYING BASEBALL AND WE WERE THERE IN THE FIELD AND WE HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT CAPACITY AND I KNOW IT WAS THE THINGS ABOUT THE WATER.
WAS IT CAPE BRETON OR DREWRYVILLE SOMEWHERE? BUT WHERE WAS IT? SOMEBODY HAD A QUESTION ABOUT AVAILABLE WATER OR THAT COURT, MAYBE.
CORTLAND HAS A REAL PROBLEM WITH AVAILABLE WATER.
THEY'RE HAVING SOME PERMITTING ISSUES.
THEY'RE HAVING SOME QUALITY ISSUES.
THEY HAVE ACTUALLY STOPPED ALLOWING ACCESS TO THEIR WATER OUTSIDE OF THE TOWN LIMITS, AND THEY'RE KIND OF RESTRICTING IT TO NEW CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THE TOWN LIMITS.
THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO RESOLVE THAT EXACTLY WHERE THEY ARE IN THAT STAGE, I'M NOT SURE, BECAUSE THE TOWN WATER AND THE COUNTY UTILITIES IS SEPARATED, BUT I KNOW THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON IT.
RIGHT. RIGHT. BUT IF THEY HAD WATER CAPACITY, DOES THE COUNTY HAVE WASTEWATER CAPACITY? IN THE CORTLAND AREA.
THE WASTEWATER PLANT WAS ACTUALLY BUILT OUT TO ACCOMMODATE TWO TIMES THE VOLUME THEY USE NOW.
AND WE DON'T EVEN USE THE FULL VOLUME OF THAT ONE HALF.
IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING AND I WASN'T HERE WHEN IT WAS DONE, IS THAT THE CAPACITY OF THAT PLANT WAS DESIGNED WITH THE IDEA THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BUILD THOSE 600 HOUSES OUT THERE BY RIVERDALE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND ASSOCIATED RIGHT STUFF AROUND THERE.
YEAH. THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT REDIRECTING SOME OF FRANKLIN VOLUME OUT THERE.
SO CAPACITY IN CORTLAND AS FAR AS THE WASTEWATER IN ANY KIND OF ISSUE AT THE AGRIBUSINESS PARK, WE HAVE A DECENT AMOUNT OF AVAILABLE WATER.
WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING OUR NEW PERMIT.
CHANCES ARE THEY'RE GOING TO LOWER OUR WITHDRAWAL LIMIT BECAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE DEQ'S OPERATION RIGHT NOW IS IF YOU DON'T USE EVERY DROP OF IT, THEY CUT YOUR WITHDRAWAL LIMIT DOWN. WE'RE ESTIMATING TO STILL HAVE 10 TO 12 MILLION GALLONS A YEAR OF EXCESS WATER AT AGRIBUSINESS PARK FOR RIGHT NOW.
SO BUSINESSES THAT HAVE RELATIVELY MINIMAL WATER USE OR THE POSSIBILITY OF RECYCLING SOME OF THEIR WATER, THAT'S STILL A POSSIBILITY THERE.
THE SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE, WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE AS FAR AS IT GOES.
SO WHAT ABOUT THE 58 CORRIDOR?
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BECAUSE WE ARE WE WERE DISCUSSING AT SOME OF OUR MEETINGS ABOUT.POSSIBLY CHANGING SOME ALONG 58.
NOT THE BUSINESS DISTRICT, BUT KIND OF EACH SIDE OF THE BUSINESS DISTRICT OF SOME RESIDENTIAL.
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS IF, SAY, THERE WAS A TRACK OF.
I MEAN, REALISTICALLY FROM THERE TO UP TO PROBABLY STORY STATION AND 58 SOMEWHERE IN THAT FARMLAND OR CUT OVER OR SOME OF THE WOODLANDS.
DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE REALISTIC FOR SEWER AND WATER.
SEWER IS ACTUALLY AVAILABLE ON THE RIVERDALE SCHOOL SIDE OF THAT ROAD.
YOU CAN PUT SEWER TO THE OTHER SIDE, BUT THE MAIN RUNS DOWN THE SIDE OF THE ROAD ON THE RIVERDALE SIDE AND TO DO A ROAD BORE UNDER THE ROAD TO TAP INTO THAT EXISTING MAIN, THAT'S FRIGHTFULLY EXPENSIVE.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOUR LANES.
I'VE EXPERIENCED A MINIMUM OF 6 TO 8 INCH PIPE.
I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING FRIGHTFULLY EXPENSIVE TO PUT A TAP UNDER THE ROAD.
MAYBE THE DEVELOPER SEES WHERE HE CAN SWALLOW THAT COST IN THERE.
NORMALLY WHAT WE WOULD ASK PEOPLE TO DO, THE DEVELOPER AND YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS THAN I DO, THEY SUPPLY THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEN TURN IT OVER TO THE COUNTY, RIGHT? IN THAT CASE, IF THEY WANTED TO PAY THAT, YEAH, WE HAVE PLENTY OF SEWER OUT THERE.
THE WATER IS WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO GET INTO A PROBLEM.
EXTENDING THE WATER LINE OUT THERE.
OH, I HAD A GUY GIVE ME A ROUGH FIGURE FOR A SIX INCH LINE OF ABOUT $1 MILLION A MILE.
YOU KNOW, AND IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 20, 40, 50 HOUSES, IF YOU HAD TEN, 12 MILLION GALLONS OF EXCESS CAPACITY, YOU COULD MAYBE DO THAT.
YOU GET INTO 100 HOUSES IN A DEVELOPMENT.
THEN YOU START TO REALLY SQUEEZE ON THAT AVAILABLE WATER.
BUT AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME, THEY'RE REALLY RELUCTANT TO GRANT THAT STUFF.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE'RE ASKING FOR AN INCREASE.
WE DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO GET IT, BUT WE HAD ASKED FOR AN INCREASE IN.
WE'VE ASKED FOR AN INCREASE AT THE TURNER TRACK TOO.
THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION. WOULD A TURNER TRACK WITH THE COUNTY ACQUIRING ADDITIONAL LAND KIND OF IN THAT AREA TO EXPAND THAT INDUSTRIAL PARK AS THE SEWER AND WATER ARE GOING TO BE A PROBLEM FOR US RECRUITING BUSINESSES IN THAT AREA OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO THE SEWER IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF A JUGGLING ACT.
BECAUSE THE ONLY AVAILABLE SEWER OUT THERE IS PUMPED FROM THAT PUMP STATION IN FRONT OF IN VIVO.
TO THE INTERCEPTOR STATION ON 58 OUTSIDE OF TOWN.
TOP OF MY HEAD, I WANT TO SAY APPROXIMATELY THREE MILES.
OH. THINK THAT'S EITHER A SIX OR A EIGHT INCH FORCE MAIN.
THE PUMP STATION HAS THE CAPACITY TO PUMP A LOT.
I MEAN, TO PUT IT SIMPLY, THEY'RE SWALLOWING EVERY DROP THEY CAN GET.
EVEN TO THE POINT LAST YEAR WE HAD TO THREATEN THAT WE WERE GOING TO CUT THE WATER SUPPLY OFF BECAUSE THEY WERE ON TRACK TO GO OVER OUR WITHDRAWAL PERMIT.
WE HAD IT FIGURED LIKE MIDDLE OF OCTOBER.
THEY WENT TO DRAW IT OUT OF A HOLDING POND IS HOW THEY MANAGED TO GET BY.
THE AVAILABILITY OF WATER HAS BECOME A BIG ISSUE.
WE HAVE ANOTHER BUSINESS THAT'S LOOKING TO GO OUT THERE THAT HAD SUBSTANTIAL BUT NOT UNREASONABLE WATER NEEDS, AND WE'VE BEEN STRUGGLING TO MEET THAT, I THINK, BECAUSE OF BUSINESSES GETTING READY TO GO OUT THERE.
EDWARDS, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? AND I KNOW THIS WAS A TUMULTUOUS TIME BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING WHEN ALL THIS WAS GOING ON WITH THE REZONING OF THE HOUSE, AND I'M TALKING ABOUT RIVERDALE.
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AND WE HAVE ALL THAT INFRASTRUCTURE THERE FOR HOUSING OR BUSINESS AND IT WAS REZONED AND THEN YET NOTHING HAS HAPPENED THERE.HAS THERE BEEN IT JUST SEEMS LIKE SUCH A DESIRABLE LOCATION WITH ALL OF THE ROAD AND THE IN AND OUT FOR THE CONTAINERS, BUT IT WAS REZONED FOR THAT.
THE COUNTY AND YOU WERE ON THE BOARD WHEN THIS WAS HAPPENING.
I REMEMBER THERE WAS A LOT OF CONFLICT, THE MINORITY AND THE MAJORITY VIEW AND I THINK YOU WERE ON THE LOSING END, WHICH YOU LOOK, YOU KNOW, SMELLING LIKE A ROSE NOW BECAUSE YOU WERE RIGHT AND THEY WERE WRONG AND NOTHING'S EVER HAPPENED.
BUT IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT SOMETHING SHOULD BE HAPPENING THERE WITH IT SHOULD BE PITCHING SOMETHING THERE, YOU KNOW, OF WHETHER IT'S HOUSES OR WHETHER IT'S THERE IS A FAIRLY.
WHY I'M TALKING OUT LOUD IS IT SEEMS LIKE FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE COULD DO MORE TO HELP.
BECAUSE THAT BECAUSE IT WAS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS.
WELL, NOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS.
AND THE COUNTY HAS SPENT AND WE WERE ADDING UP THE BEANS THAT MR. JOHNSON AND I THINK THAT WAS PART OF HIS VISION OF INVESTING ALL OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.
BUT WHAT HAS REALLY HAPPENED THERE? AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT WAY OUT WHERE IN VIVA IS WHICH AND THEY'RE STRUGGLING FOR WATER.
IT'S CLOSER TO OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
IT SEEMS LIKE WE SHOULD TRY TO GET SOMETHING THERE.
WHETHER IT'S A CONTAINER, I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THE FRANKLIN SOUTHAMPTON DEVELOPMENT PEOPLE ARE WORKING ON THAT 100%. WELL, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO? AND I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT 100%.
WE JUST HAVEN'T SEEN ANY RESULTS YET.
I MEAN, THAT'S AND WE'VE SPENT I MEAN, WE'VE SPENT THIS ON THAT SITE WITH A WATER SYSTEM.
WHICH IS LIKE THIS AND USE IS LIKE THIS.
IS THERE. I MAY. THAT'S NOT OUR.
YEAH, THAT'S FRANKLIN'S WATER.
THAT'S THE SEWER IS THE ONLY AVAILABILITY WE HAVE OUT THERE.
AND FRANKLIN DOESN'T HAVE ANY MUCH MORE AVAILABILITY THAN SOUTHAMPTON.
THEIR EXCESS CAPACITY IS REALLY SMALL, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ECONOMY CHAPTER, WHICH IS WHAT'S ON YOUR AGENDA TONIGHT, AND YOU LOOK AT PAGE SIX, IT TALKS ABOUT THE CAMP PARKWAY COMMERCE CENTER RIGHT THERE.
AND THE LAST SENTENCE IS THAT AND WHAT IS THERE AND I'VE READ IT AND IT'S VERY CANNED IN MY OPINION.
IT'S NOT REALLY PRECISE, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE COULD DO BETTER FROM A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THAT AREA, IN YOUR OPINION? MISS LEWIS? AND I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION.
I'M NOT POINTING FINGERS, BUT WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE THAT WHAT KIND OF.
I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION IS THERE I MEAN, WHAT DO PEOPLE FEEL WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE THERE? THAT'S BEEN THE PROBLEM IN THE PAST.
OKAY. YEAH, I CAN GO INTO SOME STUFF IF YOU WANT TO.
OKAY. AND ALSO RESIDENTIAL THAT TILL THE DAY THEY PUT ME SIX FEET UNDER.
UH. SORT OF A COMMUNITY THERE OR MIXED TYPE COMMUNITY OR SOMETHING AND.
RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF APPLICANTS THAT COME THROUGH FOR THIS.
OKAY. THAT PROCESS IS VERY COMPLEX.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT IT EXCEPT IN CLOSED SESSION.
WE'RE WELCOME FOR ANYTHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE REASONABLE THERE.
I MEAN, THE BEDS FOR SALE, THE LANDS FOR SALE RIGHT NOW, THIS MINUTE.
THERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
IT'S THE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO REALLY LIKE TO GET RID OF IT.
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NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST A LITTLE BIT INTO FRANKLIN AND THE WAY THAT THE HOMEBUILDERS ARE LOOKING FOR EMPTY LOTS, SANDY CREEK IS ABOUT FILLED UP.BETHEL FARMS IS ABOUT FILLED UP.
THERE ARE NOT A WHOLE LOT OF LOTS.
IT WOULD TAKE TEN YEARS IF EVERY SINGLE NEW HOUSE IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY WAS BUILT THERE.
SO HINDSIGHT BEING 2020, PERHAPS THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN APPROPRIATE TO STAY AS A RESIDENTIAL MIXED USE OFFICE. I THINK THERE WAS A NURSING HOME COMPONENT IN THERE, SOME COMMERCIAL IN THERE.
ACTUALLY, ONCE THEY GOT THROUGH THERE, UPWARDS OF 1200 AVAILABLE UNITS THERE WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH THEIR OWN LITTLE NURSING HOME AND THEIR DOCTOR'S FACILITY AND THE WHOLE LIKE A LITTLE VILLAGE.
OKAY. MOST OF THE APPLICANTS FOR THAT WERE GOING TO BE ADVERTISED FROM.
TYPE SITUATION, A RETIREMENT VILLAGE, AND THAT MAKE VERY FEW IMPACTS ON INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE THEY DON'T PUT A CHILD IN A SCHOOL SEAT. THAT'S THE EXPENSIVE PART OF BUILDING NEW HOMES IS WHEN YOU NEED SCHOOL SEATS FOR CHILDREN.
SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN APPROPRIATE.
BUT NOW WHAT WE HAVE IS A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL PARK.
AND THERE HAS BEEN INCREASED INTEREST IN THE PAST FEW MONTHS.
I THINK WHAT MR. RANDALL SAYING, LIKE US AS A PLANNING COMMISSION, WHAT HURDLES CAN WE OPEN UP TO ENCOURAGE THAT? I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH.
I MEAN, CAN WE LIKE REZONE THE ROAD FRONTAGE TO SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO ENCOURAGE THAT GROWTH OR THE BACK SECTION REZONING INSTEAD OF THE ENTIRE BLOCK BEING INDUSTRIAL? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THE NUMBERS WITH ISLE OF WIGHT AND SUFFOLK AND THEY'RE FILLING UP.
WOULD IT BE BETTER TO MAYBE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGE SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL AREA ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BECAUSE IT'S BY A SCHOOL AND I JUST THINK OF BEING BY A SCHOOL THAT THERE'S HOUSES.
I AGREE. RIGHT. AND WE DID ALL THIS PLANNING BEFORE.
AND, YOU KNOW, I WAS TALKING TO YOU AND THERE WAS THE CONFLICT ON THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, YEARS AGO.
WAS IT 15 YEARS AGO? I'M GETTING OLD, SO I'M GETTING GRAY.
SO 15 BECAUSE I JUST GOT ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHEN ALL THAT WASN'T QUITE THAT LONG.
YEAH. OKAY. WELL, I THINK WE OPENED IT UP TO A BROADER.
THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. SO I GUESS IT'D BE EASIER.
THIS IS THE QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU ALL.
WOULD IT BE BETTER TO PUT SOME DEVELOPMENT AND LET'S JUST SAY 100 ACRES? I'M JUST PICKING. THAT COULD BE 50, 100 SOME PLACE FOR LIKE ACRE OR HALF AN ACRE HOMES.
ALL 58 OR MORE TOWARDS RIVERDALE FROM A WATER AND SEWER PERSPECTIVE.
AND I GUESS WHAT YOU'RE LEANING TOWARD, IT WOULD BE MORE TOWARDS RIVERDALE, RIGHT? THE SEWER DOESN'T REALLY MATTER BECAUSE IT RUNS ALL THE WAY FROM RIVERDALE.
BASICALLY, YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE PUMP STATION IS RIGHT THERE OFF SHADYBROOK.
THE WATER. AS FAR AS IT REACHES RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT'S COMING FROM CORTLAND, RIGHT? THAT'S COMING FROM AGRIBUSINESS.
OKAY. SO THE WATER IS VERY LIMITED.
SO IT'S NOT THE INFRASTRUCTURE THE SIZE OF THE PIPE, IT'S THE WITHDRAWAL.
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AS THE INTERCEPTOR STATION RIGHT NOW.AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I THINK THEY TOLD ME A SIX INCH PIPE WAS RUNNING ABOUT $1 MILLION A MILE.
IT'S JUST YOUR PERMIT IS NOT ALLOWING YOU TO DO THAT.
HOW MUCH DOES THE CITY OF NORFOLK TAKE OUT OF OUR RIVER? A LOT, RIGHT? I'M SORRY.
HOW MUCH? CITY OF NORFOLK PUMPS OUT OF OUR RIVER, RIGHT? YES, A LOT.
SO, I MEAN, AND THAT'S BEEN THERE SINCE WORLD WAR TWO.
BUT. I'M NOT SURE THE POLITICS BEHIND THAT, WHETHER THAT'S GOING TO EVER CHANGE.
TO PUT IT SIMPLY, THE POLITICS BEHIND THAT GOD AWFUL WEATHER.
ALL THE CORTLAND WATER IS WALES, IS THAT CORRECT? THE PARTICLE. ALL THE COOLING WATER IS PULLED OUT OF A WHALE AND NOT OUT OF THE RUBBER.
RIGHT NOW, ISLE OF WIGHT IS CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED TO BUY MORE WATER FROM NORFOLK THAN THEY USED.
MENTIONED TO ME THAT THERE MAY BE SOME WAY TO REDIRECT SOME OF THAT WATER.
BUT I THINK WHEN THEY STARTED LOOKING AT THE COST OF IT, THAT IDEA WENT AWAY.
WHETHER IT'S POSSIBLE TO GET IT, I DON'T KNOW.
THEY WERE LIKE A MORTAL KOMBAT OVER THAT WATER.
AND I DON'T IMAGINE THAT'S EASED UP A LOT.
SO EVERYTHING ON THE RIVERDALE SIDE OF THE 58 HAS GOT THE SEWAGE LINE ON THAT SIDE.
ALL RIGHT. SO THE SIDE THAT THE METHODIST CHURCH IS ON, THEY'RE ALL SEPTIC TANKS ON THAT SIDE.
THE METHODIST CHURCH IS ACTUALLY HOOKED INTO THE SEWER.
BUT NOTHING ELSE ON THAT SIDE IS HOOKED INTO THE SIDE.
ALL THE REST OF THE HOUSES ARE SEWAGE AND NOT ALL OF THE HOUSES ON THE RIVERDALE SIDE ARE BECAUSE BY CODE, IF YOU'RE BUILDING IS 300FT OR MORE FROM THE MAIN, YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO HOOK UP TO IT.
WHENEVER YOU'RE WITHIN 300FT AND IT'S WITHIN 300FT, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO.
BUT IF IT'S A FORCED MAIN, YOU'RE STILL REQUIRED.
GRAVITY ON THAT SIDE. WELL, I'M THINKING OF OTHER PLACES.
YOU KNOW, YOU WERE TALKING EARLIER.
WELL, NO, YOU CAN'T TAP INTO THE FORCE.
THAT'S RIGHT. YOU HAVE TO MAKE SOME OTHER TYPE OF ARRANGEMENT FOR THAT.
THREE STORIES IN ON THE SEWER, THE POLE PLANTS, NOT ON THE SEWER.
SEVERAL OF THOSE HOUSES THERE ARE NOT ON COUNTY CIVIL RIGHT FOR THAT VERY REASON.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND WHAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT IN THE FUTURE, SOMEBODY IS ON A FORCE MAIN.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO BUILD A PUMP STATION AND TAP INTO IT FOR JUST ONE HOUSE.
NOW, IF YOU DO. OH, NO, THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT.
I THINK THAT'S JUST APPLIES TO THE GRAVITY.
YES. AND I REMEMBER WHEN THAT LINE ALONG CAMP PARKWAY WAS FIRST AVAILABLE, THOSE HOUSES WHO.
COULD HOOK UP. THERE WAS KIND OF A SALE FOR A FEW YEARS, WASN'T THERE? THERE WERE REDUCED TAP FEES TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO SIGN UP, AND THAT LASTED.
THERE'S ACTUALLY TAPS ON SOME OF THEM THAT THEY'RE NOT EVEN HOOKED UP TO.
I THINK THE COUNTY INSTALLED TAPS AS THEY CAME THROUGH WITH THAT LINE.
SO YEAH, THE HOOK UP FEES WERE REDUCED FOR A FEW YEARS TO INCENTIVIZE HOOK UPS.
SO CORTLAND'S BIGGEST PROBLEM IS THE PERMITS, YOU KNOW, MORE WATER IN ESPECIALLY IN THE TOWN RIGHT ON THE FOOD LINE, END OF IT FROM THE AGRIBUSINESS WATER TANK.
WE GOT A LITTLE MORE ACCESS TO WATER THERE.
IT'S NOT A HUGE AMOUNT WHEN YOU PUT IN THESE PERMITS OR YOU REQUEST CHANGES.
DICK REALLY LOVES YOU TO HAVE SOMETHING IN HAND.
IF YOU GO TO THEM AND YOU SAY.
WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS INDUSTRY HERE.
WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO BUILD 50 HOUSES HERE.
THEY DON'T WRITE US MANY PERMITS ON THINGS.
THEY REALLY LIKE TO HAVE STUFF KIND OF IN BLACK AND WHITE.
SO IF WE'VE GOT SOMETHING IN HAND AND WE'VE GOT TO GO TO DQ, WHAT'S THE TURNAROUND TIME?
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A LOT OF TIMES AS I AVERAGE.WE'VE PUT IN WATER PERMITS TWO YEARS AGO.
ALL RIGHT. SO ALL THE WATER THAT WAS USED AND THERE'S A WHALE OUT THERE THAT THE COUNTY OWNS, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. IF YOU'RE GOING DOWN, WHATEVER THAT ROAD IS.
MY ESCAPE ROAD QUITE OFTEN NOW.
AND THAT WAS PUT IN WHEN VEEVA WENT THERE.
SO THAT WE GROW THAT'S ANOTHER PERMIT SITUATION.
YES. OKAY. RIGHT NOW, THE WITH THE PERMITTED WITHDRAWAL ON THE TANK IS 27.5 MILLION GALLONS A YEAR.
UH, I THINK LAST YEAR WE USED 25.
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY HAVE IN HAND.
SOME PLANNING FOR THE BUILD FARM TRACK.
THE FACT THAT RTI WAS HAD SOME LEGITIMATE INTEREST.
ALL THAT WAS TURNED IN WITH THE PERMITS WHEN WE ASKED FOR AN INCREASE IN THE WITHDRAWAL PERMIT.
WHETHER THEY GIVE THAT TO US OR NOT, WE DON'T KNOW AND PROBABLY WON'T KNOW FOR A WHILE.
SPECIFICALLY, THAT'S THE ENTIRE PLAN TO ASSURE THEM THAT WE WOULD PROVIDE THEM A MILLION GALLONS A YEAR FOR THEIR DOMESTIC USE.
UNFORTUNATELY, THEIR PROCESS REQUIREMENTS WAS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN THAT.
AND SO THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE TRYING TO WORK OUT SOME WAY TO MANAGE THEIR WATER NEEDS.
SO YOU'RE IN A CASE LIKE THAT AND ENDEAVOR REALLY DOESN'T NEED CLEAN WATER FOR THEIR PROCESS.
SO IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THEY CAN PUMP THAT OUT OF THE RIVER, WHICH COMES BACK TO A QUESTION.
THEY GOT A 30 ACRE POND IN THE BACK.
YEAH, THEY PUMP OUT A ACTUALLY THEY'VE GOT TWO PONDS THAT THEY PUMP OUT OF.
UH, YEAH. IF YOU DROP A PIPE IN THE RIVER, YOU'RE BACK WITH DEQ.
AND I'M NOT REAL SURE, BUT PROBABLY IN THAT RIVER DEALING WITH ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS.
SEE, BUT THAT'S DEQ IS LIKE DEALING WITH SANTA CLAUS COMPARED TO THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS.
THAT'S NOT IN THAT. NO. THEY USE THAT TO AUGMENT THEIR WHEN THEY DID THE EXPANSION, THEIR PROJECTED USAGE FOR THEIR EXPANSION WAS 68 MILLION GALLONS A YEAR.
OKAY. THEY WERE WELL AWARE OF OUR PERMIT LIMITATIONS.
AND CONTINUED WITH THEIR EXPANSION REGARDLESS OF THAT DENIAL.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.
OKAY. SO IT'S A BATTLE FOR WATER UP THERE.
A PERFECTLY GOOD INDUSTRIAL PARK WITH ACCESS TO SEWER AND WATER AND DIVAS.
HAS BEEN A LOT OF WAYS CRIPPLED OUR ABILITY TO ATTRACT PEOPLE.
BUT HOW WE GOT THERE, I COULDN'T TELL YOU.
BUT THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH.
ALL RIGHT. WELL, YOU SAID THE SEWAGE FOR CORTLAND HAD PLENTY OF ROOM.
WHAT CAPACITY ARE WE AT NOW ON THE CORTLAND SEWAGE? IS IT 20%? 30 OR 999,000 GALLONS? A MILLION GALLONS A DAY, AND WE CURRENTLY RUN BETWEEN 120 AND 150,000 GALLONS A DAY.
AND THAT'S WITH HALF THE PLANT BUILT OUT.
SO WE COULD DOUBLE THAT MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
BY SIMPLY OPENING UP A FEW VALVES AND TURNING A COUPLE OF PUMPS ON.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT ANSWERED.
ALL RIGHT. HOW ABOUT BOYKINS? WHAT PERCENT CAPACITY? IF YOU FIGURE IT BY DOMESTIC CONNECTIONS, ME AND DENNIS BEALE, WHO RUNS THE WASTEWATER PLANTS, WE SAT DOWN THE OTHER DAY.
YOU COULD BASICALLY HANDLE ANOTHER 700.
WITH THE WASTEWATER PLANT CAPACITY THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
YOU COULD DOUBLE THE DOMESTIC USAGE RIGHT NOW AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT.
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WHERE YOU PUT THAT WOULD MAKE A LOT OF DIFFERENCE BECAUSE AS I SAID EARLIER, THERE'S A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE IN BOYKINS.YOU, ME AND YOU HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT SEVERAL TIMES BEFORE.
ASTRONOMICAL. WELL, SO IF WE DOUBLE THE DOMESTIC, IF WE HAVE ANY INDUSTRY THAT COMES ALONG THERE WHERE THE RAILROAD IS BETWEEN NEWSOMS AND BOYKINS, THAT'S GOING TO CUT INTO THE AVAILABILITY OF AND YOU JUST HAVE TO PLAY WITH IT, FIGURE OUT WHAT THEIR WATER USAGE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEIR DOMESTIC DISCHARGE WOULD BE.
I WOULD JUST SAY FOR RAW NUMBERS, IF WE HAVE 700 NOW, WE COULD BASICALLY DOUBLE IT.
AND EVERYTHING I HEAR IS THEY LIKE FOR THE COUNTY TO REDO THE STRUCTURE THAT'S ON THE MAIN STREET.
YES. AND I GUESS THEY WANT TO REDO SEWAGE AND AND WATER LINES.
THAT'S UNDER THAT STREET I'M ASKING.
WELL I'M SURE THEY'D LIKE THAT.
OKAY. THE SEWER, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW.
TWO OF THOSE TERRIBLE PORTIONS ON MAIN STREET IS PART OF WHAT WE'RE HAVING TO LOOK AT.
WE ANTICIPATE DOING SOMETHING WITH THAT BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR? I MEAN, WE LITERALLY WE GOT A MEETING THURSDAY ABOUT ANOTHER SECTION OF THAT JOB.
OKAY. IS THAT SCIENCE OF THE RAILROAD OR NORTH OF THE RAILROAD? SOUTH OF THE RAILROAD. SOUTH OF THE RAILROAD.
OKAY. YEAH, BECAUSE NORTH OF THE RAILROAD, THERE WERE SOME SMALL ISSUES WITH THE MANN IN THERE.
THEY ADDRESSED THEM WITH SOME SLIP LINING.
I WANT TO SAY FIVE YEARS AGO, SIX YEARS AGO, WHERE THEY SLIP LINE THERE BY THE CHURCH AND DOWN VIRGINIA STREET AROUND THE CHURCH, THEY DID SOME REPAIRS IN THERE TO KIND OF STABILIZE THAT SOMEWHAT.
THE AVENUE FROM THAT INTERSECTION AT RED BARN HEADING OUT 35.
THE SECTIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS ARE IN THERE.
DEPENDENT ON THE KIND OF FUNDING WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US WHEN WE BALANCE ALL THESE OTHER JOBS OUT IS GOING TO BE HOW MUCH OF THAT WE ACTUALLY ATTACK RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW, WE'LL START WITH THE MOST CRITICAL PIECE AND THEN GET EVERY PIECE WE CAN WHILE WE HAVE AVAILABLE FUNDING ANYWAY.
LOOK, THEY'RE NOT COMPLAINING.
THE GUYS I TALKED TO, THEY'RE NOT COMPLAINING.
AND 30 DAYS LATER WE'RE HAVING TO DIG IT UP AND NOBODY'S PROBLEM EXCEPT JUST.
NO. AND ACTUALLY AND I'VE BEEN TALKING WITH VDOT FOR GOING ON TWO YEARS NOW, BUT WE FINALLY HAD SOME FUNDING BECOME AVAILABLE. AND WHEN I SAY THAT THIS DOESN'T GO IN THE NORMAL COURSE OF OUR REPAIRS, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE MAY HAVE A 5 OR $10,000 REPAIR OR WE HAVE AN EMERGENCY WHERE IT'S LIKE A 30 OR $40,000 REPAIR.
AND THOSE THINGS ARE DIFFICULT TO SWALLOW IN THE BUDGET ANYWAY.
WE'RE TALKING LIKE 100, 200, $300,000 REPAIRS.
THERE WERE SOME FUNDING THAT BECAME AVAILABLE TO US AND WE'RE TRYING TO STRETCH THIS OUT JUST AS HARD AS WE CAN TO TAKE CARE OF THIS AND A COUPLE OF OTHER REALLY CRITICAL AREAS THAT WE'VE GOT WORKING RIGHT NOW. ALL RIGHT.
EDWARDS, BUT IN THE COUNTY, THE PEOPLE THAT HOOK UP TO SUE IN WATER WITH WHAT THEY PAY IS NOT STILL PAYING THE FULL COST OF SEWAGE AND WATER.
THE COUNTY RESIDENTS AND THE REST OF THE COUNTY HAS TO SUBSIDIZE IT.
THAT'S CORRECT. AND I THINK THAT WAS THE ISSUE OF THAT.
I DON'T GET TO CALL YOU WHEN MINE FAILS.
I MEAN, I GOT SEWAGE AND WATER IN ANOTHER STATE AND, YOU KNOW, I GOT WATER.
I DON'T HAVE SEWAGE. BUT I MEAN, I'M PAYING DEARLY FOR IT.
AND. YOU KNOW, THAT'S I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO GET THAT.
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I DON'T KNOW WHAT A PER HIGHEST CHARGE WOULD BE.SO RIGHT NOW, WHAT IS IT, 50 OR $70? 66? 66.
SO HAS IT BEEN A FIGURE PUT ON IT THAT IF ALL OF THOSE THAT ARE HOOKED UP TO IT.
IF YOU ALL I THINK IT WAS WHEN THE STUDY WAS DONE WITH SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY AND THE CITY OF FRANKLIN, I DON'T RECALL WHAT THAT NUMBER WAS, BUT A NUMBER WAS ESTABLISHED IN ORDER FOR EVERYTHING TO BE RAN, LIKE THE ENTERPRISE FUND SUPPOSED TO BE RAN.
RIGHT. AND THAT STUDY WAS DONE TO YOUR MAMA.
OKAY. I'D LIKE TO I'D LIKE IF WE COULD GET BACK TO MR. RANDALL'S IDEA ABOUT WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DO.
I THINK THAT PROPERTY IS PRETTY NARROW.
IT'S ZONING IS A PRETTY NARROW FIELD.
YOU KNOW, INITIALLY WHEN IT STARTED OUT, IT WAS A DONE DEAL.
AND SO THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, BOOM, IT WENT.
SO WE WERE LEFT WITH THIS ZONING IN THIS AREA.
THERE ISN'T THAT MUCH COMPETITION OR NEED FOR THAT KIND OF ZONING.
AND I THINK MR. RANDALL IS RIGHT.
I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT PUSHING THE BOARD OR WHATEVER TO CONSIDER SOME SORT OF MIXED ZONING OR SOMETHING IN THAT AREA BECAUSE IT'S VERY HARD TO SELL.
RESIDENTS WHEN? I BELIEVE. SO I CAN ANSWER THAT BETTER THAN I COULD.
I WASN'T HERE WHEN THEY DID THE PLANNING FOR THAT.
I CAME IN KIND OF ON THE TAIL END OF THAT.
THE PRELIMINARY DESIGN HAS BEEN PUT FORTH FOR THIS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL PARK THAT THE WATER WOULD BE SUPPLIED BY THE CITY AND THAT FRANKLIN WOULD TAKE CARE OF THEIR OWN INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE METERS AND DO THE BILLING FOR ALL THE WATER.
BUT NO WATER COMES OUT OF FRANKLIN ALONG THAT STRETCH OF 58.
THAT'S WHERE I THINK THE CHURCH GETS THE WATER FROM THERE, TOO.
HOW ABOUT HOW ABOUT AS YOU WORK BACK TO THE STATE POLICE, HOW FAR DOES IT GO? NO, THEY'RE ALL ON. WELL, THEY'RE ALL ON WELL, OKAY.
I THINK RIVERDALE WAS THE LAST WATER CUSTOMER THERE.
RIGHT THERE AT DELAWARE ROAD WHERE DELAWARE ROAD COMES FROM.
THERE'S A METER VAULT RIGHT ON THE CORNER, RIGHT BY THAT INTERSECTION.
AND THAT'S PHYSICALLY THE END OF FRANKLIN'S.
AND THEN WE RUN THAT WATER FROM THERE TO RIVERDALE, AND THEY BILL US FOR THAT WATER.
BUT THEY GOT THE SAME ISSUE OF IT'D BE THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE THOUGH, RIGHT? WE WOULDN'T GET THE REVENUE, BUT FOR WHAT IT WOULD COST TO SUPPLY WATER THERE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'D RECOUP THAT REVENUE ANY TIME IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE ANYWAY.
IT GETS VIRTUALLY FREE FOR US TO PLUG IT IN AND WE JUST CHARGE THEM FOR IT.
THE WATER IS NOT AN ISSUE EXCEPT FRANKLIN.
WE JUST HAVE TO INCREASE THEIR PERMITS TO BE ABLE TO.
IF SOMETHING MAJOR GOT OUT THERE AND I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHERE FRANKLIN IS WITH THEIR PERMIT AND WHAT THEIR WITHDRAWAL LIMITS ARE LIKE, HOW CLOSE THEY ARE TO USING IT, I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA.
THEIR SEWAGE PLANT, THEY'RE NOT HITTING AROUND 70%, 65, 70, I UNDERSTAND.
YEAH. SO THEY'RE PROBABLY BEING REALLY CAREFUL WITH HOW THEY IF THEY'RE GETTING THAT CLOSE TO THEIR WITHDRAWAL PERMIT, THEY'RE PROBABLY STARTING TO BE REALLY CAREFUL WITH HOW THEY ALLOCATE THAT. WELL, IF THEY SEND WATER INTO THE COUNTY ACROSS FROM THE METHODIST CHURCH, THE WATER WOULD COME IN.
BUT THE SEWAGE, THAT WATER WOULD GO THROUGH OUR SEWAGE LINES.
SO, I MEAN, WE BUILD FOR THE SEWERS, RIGHT? AND BASICALLY WHAT WE DO NOW IS WE BUILD OFF OF THEIR METER READINGS.
WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF OTHER AREAS WHERE WE GET WATER FROM THE COUNTY AND WE BUILD FROM THERE.
YOU KNOW, FRANKLIN WAS, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A PRETTY GOOD DEAL GOING.
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AND THEN FRANKLIN DISCOVERED THAT THEY REVAMPED THEIR SYSTEM OVER THERE.THEY WERE HITTING 90%. OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY HIT 90%, THE STATE GETS ON YOU.
THEY CAN'T EXPLAIN THEIR PLAN OVER THERE.
SO THEN THEY REVAMPED THEIR SYSTEM AND PASSED ALL THE HOLES UP AND THEY WENT DOWN TO, WHAT, 65, 70%? I THINK SO THEY STILL HAD SOME LEEWAY.
SO. BUT I THINK GETTING BACK TO MR. RANDALL, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT HIS IDEA ABOUT LOOSENING UP ON THAT, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOING, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT IT NARROWED DOWN TO ONE LITTLE THING HERE.
THE HOUSING IS GOING TO SPILL OVER AT SOME POINT, AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT'LL BE.
BUT YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS THAT OTTAWA AND SUFFOLK, IT'S AN INDICATOR.
SO AND IT JUST SEEMS THE ONLY PLACE THAT'S REALISTIC, I THINK WOULD BE THE CORTLAND SECTOR FOR I MEAN, AND MAYBE WE COULD DO A SMALL SECTION AND NEWSOMS AND BOYKINS, BUT TO THINK THAT A 200, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT HOUSE IS COMING TO BOYKINS AND NEWSOME, I JUST THINK NOT REALISTIC.
I THINK 20 OR 25, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD HAVE SOME AREAS ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO GET READY FOR IF, SAY, THE REAL ESTATE MARKET.
I MEAN, THE WAY THE ECONOMY WORKS, I MEAN, IT'S HARD TO PREDICT, BUT I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE INDICATORS FROM ISLE OF WIGHT AND SUFFOLK OF THE RURAL DEVELOPMENT IS AND I GAVE YOU ALL THOSE NUMBERS.
AND WE HAVE ALL THESE, YOU KNOW, LOTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
BUT WHY NOT TRY TO FORCE IT TO AN AREA THAT HAS THE INFRASTRUCTURE RIGHT, OR AT LEAST PARTIAL OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE RATHER THAN SOMEWHERE THAT DOESN'T HAVE IT BECAUSE BETHEL FARMS, THESE PLACES ARE FILLING UP AND THERE'S NO PLACE TO GO.
YOU KNOW, AND THIS ARGUMENT, WELL, WE HAVE ALL THESE LOTS, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S NOT PLANNING.
AND I JUST THINK THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANT, A HALF AN ACRE OR AN ACRE LOT.
IN HICKORY THEY HAD THREE ACRES.
BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK AN THAT'S WHAT THE MIDDLE CLASS FAMILY IS LOOKING FOR IS TO MOVE TO THE COUNTRY, HAVE A NICE HOUSE AND A NICE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
SO AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE MOVING HERE.
I JUST HEARD TODAY THAT THE AVERAGE REAL ESTATE ASSESSMENT IN ALLEN WHITE WENT UP 34%.
SUSSEX WENT UP OVER 100% IN SOME INSTANCES LAST YEAR.
SO I THINK IT'S COMING IN SOUTHAMPTON THIS YEAR.
YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH FAITH DO WE PUT IN THE NUMBERS? WAS IT THE HAMPTON ROADS STUDY THAT SAID THAT OUR POPULATION IS NOT GOING TO GROW BETWEEN NOW AND 2050? CORRECT. 2032.
IT WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO DECLINE BETWEEN NOW AND 2050.
YES. SO BECAUSE THEY LOOK HISTORICALLY I MEAN, HISTORICALLY, SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY'S POPULATION HASN'T GROWN IN 50 OR 75 YEARS. SO THEY PROBABLY THOUGHT THAT NOW THE WHITE 25 YEARS AGO.
AND IT MAY NOT. WE'RE NOT AN ISLE OF WIGHT OR A SUFFOLK.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT. BUT I THINK THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO WANT TO BUILD STICK BUILT CONSTRUCTION OR A MODULAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IF WE'RE THINKING THAT IT'S THAT INFORMATION IS OUT THERE.
SO IF WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO FLATLINE FOR THE NEXT 25 YEARS AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING UP TO A THOUSAND HOUSES IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THE HOUSES WHERE AN AGING COMMUNITY? WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THE HOUSES NOW WITH THESE AGING PEOPLE WHEN THEY DIE OFF?
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ALL OF OUR LITTLE TOWNS ARE GOING TO BE FULL OF EMPTY HOUSES.YEAH, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A THOUSAND.
I'M LOOKING AT JUST ONE, YOU KNOW, ONE SMALL DEVELOPMENT THAT I'M THAT'S ALL I'M LOOKING FOR.
I'M NOT LOOKING AT SOME VAST MAJOR.
AND WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT IS FOR OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO PUT A HOUSING PROJECT SOMEWHERE ALONG 58 AND I'M STRUGGLING OVER WHERE TO PUT IT BY THE SCHOOL MAKES THE MOST SENSE.
THAT'S WHERE I'M AT NOW BECAUSE EVERY SCHOOL YOU SEE, YOU SEE HOUSING.
AND WHAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE IS SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF A SMALL TOWN THAT HAS HOUSING SOME ACRE LOTS, SOME SMALLER LOTS, SOME COMMERCIAL RECREATION OFFICE.
YOU I THINK THERE'S 400 ACRES THERE AT CAMP PARKWAY.
IS WHAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE BECAUSE THE HOUSE IS ECONOMICALLY AND I'VE TALKED TO DR.
IT'S A NEGATIVE FOR THE TAX BASE.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE HAVE TO DESIGNATE SOMETHING SOMEWHERE TO SOME EXTENT, NOT A VAST EXTENT, JUST SMALL. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO SEE IT COMING.
BUT RIGHT NOW, IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE LOTS ARE FILLING UP.
THERE'S NO PLACE FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS FAMILY TO GO.
SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO DICTATE THE PACE.
WE'RE GOING TO LET IT BE DICTATED TO US.
I THINK THE CAMP PARKWAY WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT PLACE.
I THINK WE NEED TO WE NEED TO WORK ON THAT.
YOU GOT A SCHOOL THERE. YOU GOT A CHURCH ACROSS THE ROAD.
AND, YOU KNOW, I'M BIASED ON THAT BECAUSE I'M REPRESENTING THE FOLKS, BUT THEY'RE VERY DISPLEASED NOW THAT A HUGE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR IS GOING IN AN AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITY AND IT'S GOING TO TRANSFORM THAT COMMUNITY.
SO IF WE DON'T TRY TO PLACE SOME OF THESE THINGS SOMEWHERE TO DICTATE THE PACE IS ABOARD, THEN IT'S GOING TO GET DICTATED TO US AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS REACTIVE INSTEAD OF PROACTIVE.
AND HOUSES ARE MORE THAN THE TAXES THAT THEY PAY.
SURE, PEOPLE BUY SERVICES AND GOODS AND THE MONEY CIRCULATES IN THE COMMUNITY.
RIGHT? SO IT'S KIND OF A BALANCING ACT.
ALL RIGHT. MISS CHESSON, CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION? I GUESS MISS SMITH AND MISTER POWELL, I MEAN, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S TIME AND COMING OUT HERE, AND I KNOW I FEEL LIKE OUR CONVERSATION.
YEAH. IS SOMEWHAT RELEVANT, BUT Y'ALL CAME HERE, I KNOW.
PREPARED TO BRING SOME INFORMATION, SOME DATA BASED UPON PREVIOUS MONTHS QUESTIONS.
AND Y'ALL HAVE DONE SOME STUDY ON THAT.
HAVE YOU ALL PRESENTED EVERYTHING THAT YOU FELT LIKE YOU CAME PREPARED TO PRESENT FOR? I HATE TO SEE Y'ALL STANDING UP HERE AND LISTEN.
THE BASIC THING THAT WE HAD WAS TO LAY OUT OF IT A GENERAL IDEA ABOUT THE CAPACITY.
AND ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT SPECIFIC AREAS.
WHAT KIND OF CAPACITY WE HAVE, WHAT KIND OF PROBLEMS WE MIGHT HAVE.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE LOOKING TO PROVIDE.
IF YOU HAVE MORE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, WE'D BE GLAD TO LOOK INTO THEM.
IF YOU GOT IT. I MEAN, I'M OPEN.
YOU CAN CALL ME ANYTIME. MIKE, YOU GOT MY NUMBER? YOU KNOW, Y'ALL CAN CALL ME ANYTIME.
I'LL LOOK UP SOMETHING, DIG UP SOMETHING.
Y'ALL HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT EDGEHILL? YEAH. ME AND BETH TALKED FAIRLY FREQUENTLY.
WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BACK TO OUR NEIGHBORS DOWN THE ROAD.
DON'T THEY BRING THAT UP? PLEASE DON'T.
WE'RE IN THE MIDST OF EVALUATING THAT NOW.
JUST EVALUATE WHAT TO DO WITH IT.
DOES IT HAVE ITS OWN WATER SYSTEM AND TREATMENT SYSTEM? THE SYSTEM'S BEEN THERE SINCE THE 1960S.
THAT THE DISCHARGE FROM THAT SEWER SYSTEM GOES TO THE CITY OF FRANKLIN.
WE HAVE SOME LEGAL OBLIGATIONS TO THE CITY OF FRANKLIN AND.
THE PROJECT THAT WE'RE WORKING ON IS GOING TO ADDRESS THOSE OBLIGATIONS.
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IT'S GOING TO COST 350 TO $400,000 JUST TO STUDY WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT.SO YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT IT WILL COST TO DO SOMETHING.
I'M GOING TO ELABORATE ON MR. CHESSON MANN. I THINK WE'VE HAD SOME GREAT DISCUSSION AND YOU ALL HAVE BROUGHT A LOT OF GOOD POINTS BEFORE US TONIGHT.
AND, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WERE SO MANY CONSTRAINTS THAT YOUR DEPARTMENT HAD TO WORK WITH AND WORK THROUGH. BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALL CRITICAL TO US AS PLANNERS.
YOU KNOW, IT'S TO WHERE WE NEED.
TO TRY TO DIRECT SO-CALLED DEVELOPMENT AREAS TO THE INDUSTRIAL OR RESIDENTIAL.
SO I THINK EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD HAS BROUGHT A LOT TO THE TABLE TONIGHT.
BUT I ALSO SEE THAT WE'VE GOT TO BE CAREFUL WHAT WE THINK MAY BE A GRAND IDEA.
SO, YOU KNOW, BUT I DO BELIEVE FROM THE CONSENSUS OF I'M TRYING TO PUT THIS ALL TOGETHER, THAT MAYBE WE JUST NEED TO DO ONE CENTRAL.
IF IT'S THE CAMP PARKWAY, WHICH IT SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR THAT, IF THAT COULD BE DONE.
AND ONCE THAT GETS TO BEING BUILT OUT, WE NEED TO LOOK AT ANOTHER AREA POSSIBLY AS THIS FLOW COMES AGAIN. AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS SEVERAL, MEETINGS AGO, THERE ARE SOME LOCALITIES CLOSE TO US THAT I THINK.
WE WOULD SAY THEY WERE REACTIVE AND SORT OF PROACTIVE.
AND I THINK THE PLANNING WAS VERY POOR.
AND I HOPE WE CAN SEE THAT AND THAT WE CAN HAVE MORE DIRECTION AS TO WHERE WE CAN FORECAST PLANNING COMING FORWARD AND NOT ON THE BACK SIDE.
SO. I THINK A LOT OF I THINK YOU ALL HAVE BROUGHT A LOT TO THE TABLE FOR US.
WE'LL STILL BE IN TOUCH WITH YOUR DEPARTMENT AS MRS. LEWIS WILL, AS WE GO FORWARD.
BUT, UM, I THINK WE'RE GETTING A BETTER HANDLE ON HOW SOME OF THESE UTILITIES WORK IN THE CAPACITIES, YOU KNOW, AND LIKE I SAID, WITH THE PITFALL AND ALSO WHILE YOU'RE DISCUSSING SOME OF THESE DIFFERENT AREAS, IF YOU'RE HOOKING NEW AREAS UP TO SEWER, YOU'RE LOOKING TO INSTALL NEW WATER SYSTEMS, A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU WANT TO BRING ON TO THE SYSTEM.
A LOT OF TIMES THERE IS AVAILABLE FUNDING THAT YOU CAN CHASE DOWN.
SO NOT ALL OF THIS HAS TO BE OUT OF POCKET.
TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, ZERO INTEREST LOANS, YOU KNOW, IT'S BECAUSE IT COSTS SOMETHING.
IF YOU HAVE A GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT YOU WANT TO LOOK, YOU CAN EXPLORE FUNDING OPTIONS, YOU KNOW? I MEAN, I GET THAT QUITE OFTEN.
SO IF I KNOW THE AREA, UM, THEN AT LEAST I WOULD KNOW HOW TO WRITE UP THE GRANT.
THAT'S RIGHT. YOU KNOW, AND THE LAND USE CHAPTER OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TODAY SAYS THAT IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO DEVELOP A NEIGHBORHOOD OR COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL, THE DEVELOPERS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
RIGHT. THE COUNTY DOESN'T PUT IN ROADS AND SEWERS AND SIDEWALKS.
AND THEN THEY TURN IT OVER TO THE COUNTY.
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THE COUNTY HAS TO TAKE CARE OF IT FOREVER.BUT THE DEVELOPER PUTS IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND A LOT OF WHAT ATTRACTS THEM IS THE AVAILABILITY OF THESE SERVICES.
RIGHT? TO KNOW THAT THERE IS WATER AVAILABLE, HAVE WATER THERE.
IT'S JUST HAVING IT THERE FOR THEM MAKES IT A LOT MORE ATTRACTIVE.
AND WITH THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT THAT IT'S ONLY 15% OF HALF OF IT IS BEING USED NOW.
SO KNOWING THAT THERE IS THAT CAPACITY THERE, YEAH, THAT'S A LOT OF THE INQUIRIES THAT I GET FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ARE ABOUT WATER AND SEWER CAPACITY.
THAT'S USUALLY WHEN THEY GET A PHONE CALL ABOUT A CERTAIN AREA.
THAT'S USUALLY THE FIRST THING THEY ASK IS, DO WE HAVE WATER? DO WE HAVE SEWER? RIGHT.
OKAY. IN ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU FOR COMING. THANK YOU.
WE DO APPRECIATE YOU ALL COMING.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR HELP. AND LIKE I SAID, IF YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE, YOU CAN CALL ME ANYTIME.
THANK. MICHAEL'S GOT MY NUMBER.
IF YOU CALL THE COUNTY OFFICE, SHE'LL UNFORTUNATELY GIVE YOU MY NUMBER.
THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME.
THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. HAVE A GOOD EVENING.
THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME TO HANG AROUND AND LISTEN TO THE REST OF THE DISCUSSION.
THANK YOU. I'M SORRY I USED MY OUTSIDE VOICE.
I DO THINK WE NEED TO PURSUE OR PURSUE THIS IDEA OF WE CAN'T PARKWAY BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE WHAT CAN GO THERE IS PRETTY NARROW.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD COME UP WITH SOME MIXED YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT MIXING IT UP THINGS AND I.
PEOPLE AFTER PEOPLE AFTER PEOPLE COME AND LOOK AT THAT AREA AND THEY COME AND GO.
MISS LEWIS, WHAT WOULD BE THE FORMAT OR PROCEDURE? WE WANT TO PURSUE CHANGING.
I MEAN, IT'S ALREADY A PROPERTY ZONED, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, CORRECT.
THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT GOVERN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE ZONING.
AND YES, IT HAS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATION OF EMPLOYMENT CENTER.
NO, I THINK THAT ONE IS STILL LIGHT INDUSTRIAL WITH AND THEN IT HAS AN APPROVED ZONING THAT INCLUDES LIGHT, INDUSTRIAL AND SOME COMMERCIAL ALONG DELAWARE ROAD AND CAMP PARKWAY.
IF YOU WANTED TO PURSUE AS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO SOME SORT OF MIXED USE.
RESIDENTIAL. PREDOMINANTLY RESIDENTIAL WITH SOME MAY BE OFFICE OR NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERED COMMERCIAL IN THERE. THEN YOU'D HAVE TO COME UP WITH A CATEGORY LIKE THAT, WHICH IS SOMETHING I GAVE YOU A FEW MONTHS AGO.
UH, I THINK I CALL THAT RESIDENTIAL MIXED USE OR NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, YOU TELL THAT YOU INCLUDE THAT AS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.
IN THIS PROCESS, IF YOU WANT TO DO IT SOONER, YOU COULD BE THE APPLICANT.
AND SAY YOU WANT TO PURSUE IT.
AND THEN ONCE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS AMENDED.
THE NEED TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO SOMETHING THAT WENT ALONG WITH THAT PROBABLY NEED SOME AMENDED ZONING DESIGNATIONS THAT WOULD PERMIT. SO YOU DIDN'T HAVE A PATCHWORK HAVE TO HAVE ONLY THIS HERE AND ONLY THIS.
THERE HAVE SOME SORT OF COMPREHENSIVE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN DEVELOPMENT, ZONING LIKE AN OVERALL OVERALL CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
AND JUST BECAUSE YOU PLAN IT AND YOU SAY THAT YOU WANT, YOU KNOW, ACRE LOTS OVER HERE AND HALF ACRE LOTS OVER HERE AND SOME SENIOR HOUSING OVER HERE AND SOME LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL OVER HERE.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE BUILDING ROADS AND SIDEWALKS, RIGHT? SO WE COULD BASICALLY DESIGNATE THE ROAD FRONTAGE DOWN 58 IN DELAWARE AS LIKE THAT BUSINESS AND THEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF RIVERDALE AND THEN THOSE KIND OF THINGS. AND YOU'D WANT TO HAVE OR YOU'D WANT TO USE A ZONING DESIGNATION THAT DIDN'T PERMIT SOMETHING AS BIG AS A FOOD LION THERE YOU'D WANT TO PERMIT NEIGHBORHOOD SCALED.
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COMMERCIAL AND SERVICES AND SOME AREAS FOR RECREATION.YOU WANT IT TO BE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO WALK TO SCHOOL NEXT DOOR, YOU KNOW, WALK DOWN CLAY STREET FOR SOME EXERCISE, YOU KNOW HOW BIG BETHEL FARMS, HOW MANY ACRES THAT WAS 100.
YEAH. IT'S ABOUT WHAT I'M THINKING ABOUT IS A DESIGNATION.
I THINK THERE'S 9025 ACRES FOR RESIDENTIAL ONE ACRE LOTS.
I JUST THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE REALISTIC WITHIN THE NEXT TEN YEARS.
HOW DOES FSDI MARKET THAT AREA? I'M ASSUMING THEY ARE THE MARKETING ENTITY FOR THE COUNTY.
HOW DO THEY PRESENT THAT PARTICULAR AREA? IN MARKETING STRATEGY.
HOW DOES IT WORK? HOW DO WHAT DO THEY WHO DO THEY GO AFTER RIGHT NOW? ARE THEY MARKETING TOWARD LIGHT INDUSTRY OR ARE THEY MARKETING TOWARD FAMILIES? I MEAN, HOMEOWNERS? DO YOU KNOW BUSINESS? IT'S ALL BUSINESS, YES.
OKAY. AND THERE'S A STATE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
ENTITY AND THEY GET LEADS AND PASS THEM TO THE LOCALS.
AND THE CAMP PARKWAY SITE, THE OWNERS ARE WORKING ON BECOMING A FIVE TIER.
CONSTRUCTION READY SITE, AND THAT'S THE HIGHEST TIER.
TOMORROW WITH CONSTRUCTION PLANS AND GET TO WORK.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE WORKING ON DOING.
SO IN ORDER TO CHANGE THE FOCUS FOR THAT AREA TO MORE RESIDENTIAL.
SO WE REALLY WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THE ZONING.
HAVE TO DO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FIRST.
OKAY. AND I THINK WE WOULD NEED TO LOOK AT LIKE THE OVERLAY OF THE OF THE PROJECT AND THE ZONING AND LOOK SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE I'M TRYING AND I'VE SPOKEN TO JASON FOWLER, WHO NOW WORKS WITH VDOT, BUT I BELIEVE WORKED WITH MR. FOSSELLA BEFORE HE WENT.
YEAH, HE'S ON THAT FOR GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL SITUATION.
BUT I KNOW MR. FOWLER. GEORGE FRISELLA YEAH, BUT MR. FOWLER, WHO'S NOW WITH VDOT, WORKED FOR HIM AND HE HAS A LOT OF INFORMATION ON IT.
BECAUSE. BECAUSE AND I'M NOT I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFICS OF THE LAYOUT, BUT SAY THERE'S AN AGRICULTURAL PIECE THAT'S CUT OVER JUST HYPOTHETICALLY OF 100 ACRES OR 125 ACRES.
YEAH. I THINK IT'S TWO LANES IN AND TWO LANES OUT AND IT ENDS IN A CUL DE SAC TODAY.
BUT, AND THAT WAS THE AREA IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT WAS GOING TO HAVE THE LARGER LOTS BACK IN THAT SORT OF BEHIND THE SCHOOL.
I GUESS I'M JUST LESS OPTIMISTIC BECAUSE I REMEMBER IN FRANKLIN, IF YOU GO DOWN COLLEGE DRIVE, THERE WAS THAT RETIREMENT COMMUNITY THAT THEY STARTED.
AND I THINK THEY BUILT 3 OR 4 TOWNHOMES AND NOW IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, NOTHING.
I GUESS I'M JUST OF THE OPINION.
PLAN FOR WHAT WE THINK IS REALISTIC WITHIN THE NEXT TEN YEARS.
AND I JUST THINK INSTEAD OF MIXED USE AND BUSINESS, IT'S JUST REGULAR RESIDENTIAL HOUSING OF 100 AND BETHEL FARMS IS WHAT, 110 LOTS.
OKAY. I MEAN, THAT'S I'M NOT THINKING THIS GRAND.
FRANKLIN WAS RUNNING OUT OF LAND.
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WE'RE THE ONES WHO HAD THE LAND.THEY DON'T HAVE THE LAND. SO THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE.
AND I AGREE. I THINK WE OUGHT TO WORK ON THE CAMP PARKWAY AND SOME OTHER AREAS HERE DESIGNATED.
IN EUROPE, ALL THE FARMERS LIVE IN THE TOWN.
THEY GO OUT TO WORK IN THEIR FARMS, OUT, YOU KNOW, THEY LIVE THE TOWN EVERY MORNING AND GO OUT AND WORK IN THEIR FARMS. THEY'VE SOLVED THAT PRETTY WELL, SO.
AND IF YOU LOOK IN AN AREA LIKE THE BALLPARK ROAD AREA IN NEWSOMS. SINCE THERE IS AVAILABLE INFRASTRUCTURE THERE AND THERE MAY BE PEOPLE WHO WOULD KIND OF BE PRICED OUT OF ACRE LOTS AND BETHEL FARMS HOMES.
BUT IN AN AREA LIKE NEWSOMS, IF YOU COULD BUILD HOUSES THAT WOULD FIT IN WITH THE NEWSOMS NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU COULD GET 20 LOTS IN THERE, MAYBE 25 LOTS IN THERE, YOU MAY, AND THE WATER AND SEWER IS ALREADY AVAILABLE.
THAT MAY BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
DO WE GIVE GUIDANCE AT ALL TO FSDI ABOUT MARKETING AREAS? OR DO THEY JUST DECIDE THERE'S A PARTICULAR PART OF THE COUNTY? I THINK IT'S LIKE COMMERCIAL IS VERY SIMILAR TO RESIDENTIAL OF CLIENTS THAT I HAVE AND THEY MENTIONED IT.
WATER SEWER AVAILABILITY, IS IT COST PROHIBITIVE OR NOT? AND THAT'S REALLY.
THE BEGINNING AND THE END IS WHAT I'M HEARING FROM MY CLIENTS.
COMMERCIAL AREAS THAT ARE SO IF WE CHANGE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THEY HEAR ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, LET'S SAY WE WOULD DESIGNATE 125 ACRES AROUND THE SCHOOL SOMEWHERE AND A DEVELOPER GETS IT, THEN IT COULD SPREAD INTO THE MIXED USE.
AND THEN IT WOULD WE COULD DO IT PIECEMEAL.
YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, UNHAPPY OF THE CHANGING OF THE AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITY, MORE OF, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LOSING THAT IDENTITY AS THE GROWTH.
AND ALAWITES A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF SIGNIFICANT GROWTH.
HARBORVIEW YOU KNOW, OF THE SIGNIFICANT GROWTH.
IT USED TO BE CORN FIELDS AND NOW IT'S STRIP MALLS.
AND IF WE CAN SAY THERE'S AVAILABLE SEWER AND WATER INSTEAD OF YOUR HIGH PRICED SEPTIC.
I THINK THAT HELPS PUSH THEM THAT WAY.
I THINK DR. EDWARDS BROUGHT IT UP EARLY ON IN HIS COMMENTS ABOUT GETTING THE MESSAGE OUT AND DIRECTING THE MESSAGE AND DECIDING WHICH AREAS WE WANT TO PROMOTE.
I THINK THAT'S PART OF GETTING THE WORD OUT.
AND IF THIS AREA AND THE AREA NEWSOMS ARE PRIME, THEN THAT NEEDS TO BE THE POWERS THAT BE WHO ARE MARKETING OUR AREAS NEED TO KNOW THOSE ARE OUR PRIME AREAS.
AND IF WE'RE THE APPLICANT, THEN IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING AND THE COMMUNITY COMES AND DOESN'T LIKE IT.
WELL, YOU KNOW, THE BUDGET SEASON HAS GOT TO BE OVER.
THE BUSY PARTS GOING TO BE OVER AFTER MONDAY, OUR LAST MEETING.
SO IT WOULDN'T BE A BAD IDEA TO APPROACH THE BOARD.
AND I'LL DO THAT TOO, AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE A JOINT MEETING AND DISCUSS THIS ISSUE.
IT'S IMPORTANT ISSUE AND YOU'D HAVE TO CONVINCE THE PROPERTY OWNER AS WELL.
SURE. I MEAN, WE HAD CAMP PARKWAY FOR 39 449 THREE.
YEAH. AND YOU FIGURE TYPICALLY IN THE AGE OF FRANKLIN THERE TO 10 TO 15% OF IT ENDS UP BEING ROADS.
THAT'S WHY I THINK, BETH, IF WE WOULD LOOK AT THE I GUESS A ZOOM IN OF WHAT THE CURRENT DESIGNATION IS AND WE COULD LOOK AT IT AND MAYBE THERE'S AN EASY SOLUTION WE COULD FIND.
WELL, I THINK THAT IS ADJOINING OR SOMEWHERE NEAR THE SCHOOL.
I MEAN, JUST LIKE THE KING AND QUEENS REGENCY AREA THAT DR.
HORTON AND NOW THEY'RE BUILDING HOUSES IN RIVERWOOD, YOU KNOW.
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AND SO ALL THESE DEVELOPERS, I THINK, ARE IN THAT CHESAPEAKE SUFFOLK AREA AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THAT SPUR OF GROWTH.AND I THINK ONCE YOU DESIGNATE AREAS, I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO JUMP ALL OVER IT BECAUSE I THINK AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND LIKE YOU SAID, CONTROLLING THE GROWTH IS WHERE WE NEED TO BE INSTEAD OF REACTING TO IT.
AND AT PIANO KEY, WHERE PEOPLE SECTION OFF FARMLANDS WHERE YOU HAVE ALL THESE DIFFERENT HOUSES EVERYWHERE IN THE COUNTY, INSTEAD OF PUTTING IT WHERE THE INFRASTRUCTURE WHERE THE COUNTY, THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO PROTECT IT.
YEAH I AGREE. AND THERE'S A BIG NEW SCHOOL RIGHT THERE.
YEP, I AGREE. AND THEN YOU GOT MY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL CLOSE TO BALLPARK.
WITH ALLIANCE DESIGN AT CAMP PARKWAY, WOULDN'T IT? 15,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS THAT THEY WERE RECOMMENDED.
AND I MEAN, IT WAS A TIGHT WELL, THERE WAS ONE AREA, AS I RECALL, OVER BY THE SCHOOL IN THE ON. THE SCHOOL SIDE OF DELAWARE ROAD.
THEY WERE ACRE THE BETTER PART OF AN ACRE LOT.
BUT THEN OVER ON THE OTHER, ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF DELAWARE ROAD, THERE WAS SOME SMALLER LOTS AND THAT'S WHERE THE SENIOR LIVING WAS.
YEAH, BUT THERE WERE SOME IN THERE THAT WAS EXTREMELY SMALL.
THERE WERE. AND YES, THAT WAS, THERE WAS LIKE TOWNHOUSES.
ALL RIGHT. SO HOW DO WE WANT TO PURSUE WHAT KIND OF INSTRUCTIONS DO WE WANT TO GIVE MS. LEWIS FOR OUR NEXT MEETING? I HAVE A SUGGESTION.
I THINK THE FIRST STORE WOULD BE, LIKE MR. RANDALL WAS SAYING, IS GET AN OVERVIEW OF THE CURRENT PROJECT AND SEE HOW IT'S LAID OUT AND THEN MAYBE USE SURROUNDING AREA.
THAT'S RIGHT. THE CURRENT PROJECT AND THEN THE SURROUNDING AREA.
IN THE OTHER PARCELS THAT I'M ASSUMING IS PROBABLY AGRICULTURAL, ESPECIALLY AROUND THE SCHOOL.
JUST IS THERE SOMETHING IN THERE IN THE 100 ACRE CATEGORY NOT TO RECREATE THE WHEEL OR ON 20 ACRES THAT WE THINK MIGHT HAVE MORE, FRANKLY, BECAUSE I GUESS IN LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC WORKS FOLKS, I GUESS.
THE WATER WOULD COME FROM FRANKLIN THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THEN THE SEWERS THERE ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD.
SO A PIECE OF THAT SIZE THAT IS SOMEWHERE NEAR THAT SCHOOL IS WHAT I'M THINKING.
I AGREE. WHICH MIGHT BE AVAILABLE, I THINK, BECAUSE I'VE ACTUALLY ZOOMED IN ON THIS, IS BEFORE YOU GET TO THE SCHOOL, BECAUSE SOME OF IT'S RESIDENTIAL, THEY HAVE THE PARTS CUT OUT, BUT THERE'S SOME LARGE CUT OVER TYPE OF AREAS THAT MIGHT BE DOABLE.
AND THEN THAT WAY WE MAY NOT EVEN HAVE TO DO A CHANGE AND JUST DO A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THE WHOLE 400 AND SOMETHING ACRES IS.
I KNOW THAT IS. BUT I'M THINKING BEFORE YOU GET TO THAT, THERE MIGHT BE SOME OPTIONS.
EXCELLENT. WELL, LET'S LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF THERE'S AN EASY WAY TO DO IT OR A HARD WAY TO DO IT.
OKAY. AND I THINK THAT AREA BY THE SCHOOL ALSO HAD MORE ENVIRONMENTAL.
I THINK THERE'S A I THINK IT'S ALL LOWER THERE.
SO THAT MIGHT LEND ITSELF MORE TO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH CURVED STREETS AND, YOU KNOW, LESS LOT COVERAGE THAN YOU WOULD IF YOU WERE BUILDING INDUSTRIAL AND YOU HAD BIG WAREHOUSES AND PARKING LOTS AND YOU HAD ALL THAT RUNOFF.
OKAY. SO, MIS LEWIS, YOU COME BACK WITH SOME MAPS, OR SHALL I COME BACK FROM VACATION THEN? YES, I WILL.
CAN I ASK THIS? I MEAN, THIS IS COUNTY PROPERTY.
WHY IS THE CITY SUPPLYING WATER TO COUNTY PROPERTY? BECAUSE THE COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE ANY WATER FACILITIES OVER THERE.
AND THE CITY OF FRANKLIN DOES HAVE WATER THAT GOES ALONG CLAY STREET.
SO THEY HAVE BEEN COOPERATING.
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THE CITY AND THE COUNTY HAVE BEEN COOPERATING TO HELP SERVE THAT THOSE PROPERTIES BECAUSE THEY DO SERVE BOTH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY ANY DEVELOPMENT, THERE IS GOING TO BE BENEFICIAL TO BOTH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY.SO THE AND IN YEARS PAST, THE COUNTY HAD THE CITY HAD PLENTY OF WATER.
BUT NOW AS DEC CUTS THEIR ALLOTMENT DOWN, THEY'RE GETTING A LITTLE TIGHTER.
BUT THEY NEVER HAD PROBLEM WITH WATER BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T GROWING.
THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THEY WEREN'T GROWING.
IT WENT TO THE REST OF THE CITY.
THE CITY OF FRANKLIN MAY CEASE TO EXIST AND BECOME A TOWNSHIP, AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.
ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL WE'LL CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION ON THIS TOPIC AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
YOU WANT PEOPLE TO JUST BE ABLE TO READ THE INTRODUCTION CHAPTER AND.
GET AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY OR DO YOU WANT TO SAY HERE, THIS IS WHO WE ARE AND WELCOME TO OUR PLAN AND READ ON.
ANY COMMENTS? WELL, I JUST SENT YOU A COUPLE OF THREE SENTENCES ABBREVIATED FROM WHAT I SAID AT THE LAST MEETING.
AND BASICALLY THAT'S FROM THE COLONIAL ERA.
SO IT GETS YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU THINK BACK, WE'RE GOING BACK 400 YEARS, THAT'S MORE, YOU KNOW, I THINK OUR HISTORY IS IMPORTANT.
OKAY? AND I THINK THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
I WAS IN A MEETING ABOUT A MONTH AGO.
I WAS IN [INAUDIBLE] AS A MATTER OF FACT.
AND WHILE OUR ROOTS AND WHERE WE COME FROM THAT WE'RE GOING TO UNITE AS A ONE CENTRAL CULTURE.
AS WE GO FORWARD? WELL, I'M NOT SAYING WE CAN'T ALL BE UNITED.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT FORGETTING MY HISTORY BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE OUR ROOTS AT SOME PLACE OR ANOTHER.
SO I THINK OUR HISTORY IS IMPORTANT.
I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO INCORPORATE THAT.
BUT WE CAN STILL ADD OTHER LANGUAGE OR ANY OTHER TOPIC AS WELL.
BUT I THINK IT TELLS THE STORY OF WHO WE ARE AND OUR HERITAGE.
WELL, I TOLD YOU, I GAVE YOU THE LITTLE KNOWN HISTORY FACT ABOUT.
YEAH, AND I AGREE. THEY ALL HAVE COPIES.
SO WE'RE ASKING TO APPROVE THIS.
I MEAN, I THINK IT LOOKS GOOD.
THIS IS THE ONE THAT'S IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TODAY.
WE'VE HAD THAT FORMAT FOR THE LAST SEVERAL.
SO THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT TO KEEP IT LIKE THIS OR DO YOU WANT IT TO BE MORE OF AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PLAN? BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU WANT IS THE HISTORY AND WELCOME TO US.
IT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE PEOPLE.
OKAY. AND YOU HAVE THE ECONOMY CHAPTER THAT MR. HECK FSDI WROTE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU WANT ME TO PASS BACK TO HIM.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE COMMUNITY FACILITIES CHAPTER THAT IS NUMBERED AND LOOKS LIKE ALL THE OTHER CHAPTERS NOW AND HAS ALL THE IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES AT THE END.
PAGE 16, 17, 18 AND 19 AND IF YOU AGREE WITH THOSE IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES AND IF YOU CAN THINK OF ANY MORE, THEY INCLUDE PROTECTING AND ENHANCING IMPORTANT HISTORICAL AND CULTURAL FEATURES, ENHANCING RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES,
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INFRASTRUCTURE SERVICES AND CITIZEN PARTICIPATION.ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THOSE CHAPTERS? I JUST WANT TO REMIND DR.
SO I WOULD LIKE FOR HIM TO KEEP HIS SUMMER CALENDAR OPEN.
SOME OF THEM HAVE NEVER BEEN UNDERTAKEN.
VERY GOOD. SO WE'LL BE OUT THERE.
ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO COME OUT, MAYBE IT'LL NOT BE THE ABSOLUTE HOTTEST.
IS THAT AIR CONDITIONED SECTION? YES, BUT, YOU KNOW, AIR CONDITIONING IS A MACHINE.
IT DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK REAL WELL.
BUT ANYHOW, OUR SHERIFF IS ALWAYS OUT THERE AT THE FAIR.
AND HE IS HE ALWAYS VERY ACTIVE.
AND I APPRECIATE THAT PRESENCE IS ALL IT TAKES.
THAT'S ALL. ALL GOT TO DO IS HAVE THE BADGE OUT THERE THAT TAKES CARE OF EVERYTHING.
THEY DO A GREAT JOB. AND THEN THE COMMUNITY WIDE MEETINGS, YOU HAVE A COUPLE SAMPLES OF WIRES.
THE NEWSOMS RURITAN CLUB FACILITY SAYS WE CAN USE THEIR BUILDING.
REVEREND LUCAS IS ENTHUSIASTICALLY INVITING MEETING AT THE RISING STAR CHURCH.
MRS ALSTON IS ENTHUSIASTICALLY INVITING A MEETING AT THE NOTTOWAY INDIAN TRIBE COMMUNITY HOUSE.
I'M STILL SEARCHING FOR A PLACE IN THE I'VE OR BERLIN SEDLEY AREA.
I'VE TALKED TO A FEW PEOPLE AND THEY POINT ME TO FIRE STATIONS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY OTHER LIKE RURITAN CLUB OR SOME OTHER KIND. IF ANYBODY KNOWS OF ANY FACILITY UP IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY.
LAST TIME YOU WENT TO THE I'VE TOWN HALL.
BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO FIND OUT IN THE COMMUNITY SOMEWHERE.
MR. CHESSON, WE'RE PUTTING YOU TO WORK ON THAT.
ALL RIGHT. IF YOU GOT CURRENT, THERE'S A BUILDING OUT IN CURRENT.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING IN SALLY WOULD BE THE FIRE STATION.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE THEY HAVE ALL THEIR COMMUNITY MEETINGS UP.
IF YOU WANT TO I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU WANT TO DO THE FIRST COMMUNITY MEETING, WHICH YOU WOULD DO IN CONJUNCTION WITH EITHER YOUR SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
I THINK YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN WATCH THEM ON THE COMPUTER AT HOME.
SO IF YOU WANTED TO DO IT AT YOUR SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER MEETING AND THEN MAYBE HAVE THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS IN OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER SPREAD OUT OVER TWO MONTHS.
MR. DRAKE WAS WORRIED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO ATTEND A LOT OF MEETINGS, BUT WITH MISS ALSTON HOSTING A MEETING AND REVEREND LUCAS HOSTING A MEETING, I'M SURE YOU WOULD BE MORE THAN WELCOME TO COME.
BUT I THINK THAT IT WOULD PROBABLY BE VERY GOOD FOR THEM TO TO REPRESENT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
BE THAT THE LEADER OR THE HOST OR WHATEVER AT THE NEWSOMS RURITAN CLUB.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE'S A MEMBER AND FIND SOME PLACE IN THE I-4 AREA.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR MR. DRAKE TO. FEEL THAT HE HAS TO LEAD EVERY SINGLE COMMUNITY MEETING.
NO. MR. DAY WILL BE WITH ME AT CAPRON.
I'VE GOT SOME MORE UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
I TALKED TO MR. JAMIE CRAIG AND HE TOLD ME HE SPOKE TO MR. REILLY. I THINK WE WERE ASKING TO HAVE HIM COME AND SPEAK TO US.
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I THINK HE WANTED HIM TO COME AND GIVE YOU A PRESENTATION ABOUT CONSERVATION EASEMENTS.RIGHT. AND I DON'T WANT TO STEAL MR. REILLY'S THUNDER ON ANY OF THIS, SO JUMP IN AT ANY POINT.
BUT I BELIEVE HE TOLD ME THAT HE COULD COME TO ANY MEETING, BUT HE MADE A REQUEST TO ME THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO DO IT IN CLOSED SESSION FIRST ABOUT SOME PROJECT.
SO THAT WAS THE REQUEST HE MADE TO ME.
AND I BELIEVE I SPOKE TO MR. REILLY ABOUT IT, THAT THAT WAS HIS REQUEST.
PLANNING COMMISSION CLOSED SESSION.
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO THAT.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU CAN ONLY GET LEGAL MATTERS.
THERE'S VERY LIMITED THINGS YOU CAN DO.
I'M JUST MAKING HIS REQUEST TO MR. REILLY BECAUSE I TOLD HIM THAT I WOULD DO THAT.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU ALL WERE LOOKING FOR ANY INFORMATION ABOUT SPECIFIC PROJECTS.
IT SEEMS LIKE YOUR CONVERSATION WAS MORE ABOUT WHAT IS A CONSERVATION EASEMENT AND WHERE ARE THEY AND WHY ARE THEY BENEFICIAL? SO I WOULD JUST ASK MR. RAY IF MR. REILLY COULD SPEAK TO HIM AND COME TO THE NEXT MEETING AND THEN.
HE'S MORE THAN WILLING TO COME.
HE'S HE'S HAD A SURGERY AND HE'S BEEN INCAPACITATED.
BUT THAT'S WHY WE HAVEN'T SCHEDULED IT PRIOR.
AND IT'S MORE THAN CONSERVATION EASEMENTS.
IT'S SOMETHING HE'S WORKING ON WITH THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE THAT HE WANTS TO GIVE THE SPECIFICS OF.
IT MAY PERTAIN TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT WHY WOULD HE WANT A CLOSED SESSION? WELL, I WOULD ASK THAT MR. REILLY WOULD LOOK INTO THE LEGALITIES.
AND REGARDLESS WHETHER IT'S CLOSED SESSION OR NOT.
YEAH, ALL THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AS FAR AS I KNOW, HAVE TO BE OPEN.
MORE GENERIC. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.
AND I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK INTO THE LEGALITY OF IT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
HE DID MENTION THAT TO ME TOO, AND HE WAS WHEN WE WERE SPEAKING AND I DIDN'T ADDRESS IT DURING OUR CONVERSATION, I FIGURED I WOULD INQUIRE LATER WHEN WE GOT CLOSER TO HIM COMING. AND IF WHAT HE WANTS TO DISCUSS, HE CAN'T SHARE IN AN OPEN MEETING, THEN WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE IT.
BUT IF WE CAN, I WOULD JUST GIVE HIM THE INVITATION AND WHENEVER WE COULD ACCOMMODATE IT TO AT THE TIME, CORRECT? YES, SIR. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS GETTING AT THE KINDS OF QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAD.
IT MAY BE VERY IMPORTANT INFORMATION, BUT I THAT'S WHY MY REQUEST IS TO GIVE HIM THE INVITATION AND LET MR. REILLY HANDLE ANY SPECIFIC LEGALITIES AND JUST GIVE HIM THE INVITATION AND THEN HE CAN COME TO SPEAK TO WHATEVER HE WOULD LIKE TO.
WHY DON'T YOU START WITH HOLDING SECRETS SINCE YOU HAVE OF THEM? YEAH, WELL, WE'LL KEEP A SPACE ON THE AGENDA FOR HIM FOR THE MINUTES.
I'M GIVING YOU ALL THE INFORMATION I RECEIVED.
THANK YOU. BOTH SESSIONS ARE VERY.
GOVERNED. WE HAVE TO HAVE LEGAL COUNSEL THERE WITH US WITH EACH SESSION WE CAN TALK ABOUT.
ALL PRIVATE MATTERS WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION.
YOU CAN TALK ABOUT POTENTIAL PEOPLE WANT TO COME HERE AND BUSINESSES THAT YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT OTHERWISE OR LEGAL MATTERS. OTHER THAN THAT, EVERYTHING IS RIGHT.
THERE'S REALLY A VERY SHORT LIST OF THINGS THAT YOU CAN DISCUSS IN CLOSED SESSION.
OKAY. JUST ONE OTHER LITTLE TIDBIT.
WELL I HOPE DON'T BRING ON A LOT OF DISCUSSION.
BUT ANYWAY, IF IT DOES, IT DOES.
AND WHEN MOST PEOPLE WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT RENEWABLE ENERGY.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT SOLAR, YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE WIND.
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BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, SPEAKING FOR THE AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, THE CORN FIELD.CORN. I KNOW MOST OF THE CORN THAT WE PRODUCE.
SEEING SOUTHAMPTON PROBABLY GOES FOR ANIMAL FEEDS.
YEAH, BUT OUR CORN ACROSS THE NATION, A LOT OF IT DOES GO INTO ETHANOL PRODUCTION.
AND THE SOYBEANS THAT WE RAISE.
AGAIN, A LOT OF WHAT WE RAISE IN SALEM COUNTY PROBABLY END UP IN ANIMAL FEEDS, EVEN THOUGH I GROW BEANS FOR THE EDIBLE MARKET IN JAPAN.
AND MR. MANN MIGHT DO THE SAME.
I'M NOT SURE. BUT THERE IS A LOT OF EDIBLE BEANS PRODUCED IN THE COUNTY.
I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS.
WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT NEEDS TO BE INCORPORATED IN THE PLAN.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE AS AN AGRICULTURAL COUNTY.
MRS CHESSON YOU KNOW, WE ARE ALSO CONTRIBUTING TO RENEWABLE ENERGY IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
I THINK THE AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITY ALREADY IS ENGAGED IN THAT.
BUT I DO WANT TO AND I THINK WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN TO SOME STATEMENTS ADDRESSING SOLAR ARRAYS ON ROOFTOPS, WHICH WE DO.
AND IF THERE ARE ANY PUBLIC BUILDINGS OR ANY LARGE ROOF AREAS, WE WOULD CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE THAT.
BUT I JUST I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD INCORPORATE ANY A FEW WORDS.
ABOUT HOW THE AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITY CONTRIBUTES TO THE RENEWABLE ENERGY SOURCE.
BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE A STRONG POINT WHEN WE GET CONFRONTED WITH PROJECTS THAT DON'T FAVOR THE RURAL LANDSCAPE. I THINK IN MY OPINION.
ANYWAY, JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT.
IF THERE'S A FEW WORDS, WE COULD INCORPORATE THAT.
AND I KNOW WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT THIS BEFORE, AND I GO BACK TO THE FAR SIDE OF IT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT MR. DAVID FOSTER WOULD IT MUST BE OUT RIGHT NOW.
IT'S A LOT OF HARVESTING GOING ON IN MY AREA RIGHT NOW, BUT IT KIND OF GOES IN CYCLES.
BUT WE'VE GOT TO REMEMBER THAT THE FOREST AREA'S CLEAN AIR AND CLEAN OUR WATER.
AND HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS TO THE COUNTY AS WELL.
SO. ANYWAY, I THINK SOME OF THE ATTRIBUTES THAT WE TALK ABOUT IT AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN INCORPORATE IT INTO THE PLAN KIND OF AS A DEFENSE WHEN SOMETHING COMES ALONG THAT WE NEED THAT BACKBONE, YOU MIGHT SPEAK.
I KNOW A LOT OF THE PLANS AND SOME OF THE COUNTIES ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH THAT ONE THING THAT HELPED US A LOT WAS OUR EMPHASIS ON AGRICULTURE AND THE FORESTRY INDUSTRY.
AS WE ALWAYS SAY, WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT THOSE INDUSTRIES.
AND THAT REALLY CAME DOWN TO FENCE BY SOME COUNTIES, DID NOT HAVE THAT IN THEIR COMP PLANS.
BUT ANYHOW, I THINK WE'RE COMING ALONG NICELY.
AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, YOU REALLY GOT ON SOME BULLETINS OR EMAILS OR WHATEVER.
MY WIFE WAS BRINGING ME RIGHT UP TO OUR LAST MEETING.
WE APPRECIATE ALL YOU DO AND THAT YOU BRING FORTH TO OUR GROUP.
SO DOES ANYTHING ELSE NEED TO COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME, MR. CHAIRMAN? BEING THAT WE WILL.
HOST A MEETING AT RISING STAR BAPTIST CHURCH.
I DO WELCOME ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS ON THIS BOARD TO COME AND ASSIST WITH THAT.
WE'LL BE GLAD TO HELP. THANK YOU.
YEAH, AND WE APPRECIATE Y'ALL AND IF Y'ALL CAN THINK IF THERE ARE WEEKS IN THE MONTHS OF OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER THAT ARE BETTER OR WORSE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE EVENTS, THEN WE CAN KIND OF START TO FLESH OUT A SCHEDULE OUR DAYS OF THE WEEK THAT ARE BETTER FOR YOU.
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NO, I'M HERE THE SECOND THURSDAY AND THE FOURTH TUESDAY FOR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.BUT BEYOND THAT, HOW WILL WE ADVERTISE THESE MEETINGS? WELL, LAST TIME WE PUT NOT LEGAL ADS IN THE NEWSPAPER, BUT.
OTHER ADS, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL LOOKING ADS IN THE NEWSPAPER.
AND NOW THE COUNTY HAS A FACEBOOK PAGE.
PASS OUT SOME KIND OF FLIERS AT THE FAIR THAT HAVE DATES AND TIMES ON THEM.
AND THE BIGGER ONE IS TWO SIDED AND IT'S PRETTY COLORS.
SO WE'LL USE WHICHEVER OR BOTH.
BUT YEAH, THIS ONE HAS A LOT MORE INFORMATION.
THIS ONE IS MORE KIND OF PRIMING THE PUMP KIND OF INFORMATION, GETTING PEOPLE INTERESTED.
BUT YES, ANY WAY THAT ANYBODY CAN THINK TO GET OUT THERE.
I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT SCHOOLS.
YEAH, I'LL ASK AT THE SCHOOLS IF THERE'S A EVEN IF THERE WAS A WAY TO PUT IT ON THE CHANGEABLE COPY SIGNS OUTSIDE.
COMMUNITY MEETING TONIGHT OR SOMETHING.
YOU MEAN A MEETING? NO, I MEAN DISSEMINATING THE INFORMATION TO THE SCHOOLS.
AND I KNOW THAT THE IF THEY WOULD PUT IT ON THEIR WEBPAGE, I KNOW THAT THE PARENTS USE THE SCHOOL WEB PAGES A LOT BECAUSE THE SCHOOLS HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT GOES OUT TO THE FAMILIES THROUGH THE WEB PAGE.
THEY CAN COME BECAUSE WHEN WE HAD IT AT HOME, RIGHT, THEY CAN SEE IT AT HOME AND THEY CAN COME AND THEY CAN SEE THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S WORTH COMING OUT TO.
BUT THERE'S NOT 100 PEOPLE THERE.
OKAY. THAT'S THE ONE I HAVE FOR YOU.
ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER? QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
YEAH. YOU HAVE SOME GOOD DISCUSSIONS? YES. THEN.
WE'RE THINKING ABOUT RAISING TAXES.
THEY GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE.
AND MISS LEWIS, I JUST GOT AN EMAIL I WAS SHOWING OUR CHAIRMAN THE BLACK WATER SOLAR HAS JUST FILED THEIR APPLICATION AT 4:30 FOR THE 10,000 ACRE SOLAR.
I RECEIVED THAT AND IT'S OBVIOUSLY BORDERING SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, BUT SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, I BELIEVE IT'S 5000 ACRES OF 606. 628.
THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF A COUNTY THAT WASN'T PROACTIVE.
YEAH, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY REGULATIONS.
THAT HASN'T BEEN APPROVED YET.
IT'S ABOUT 8000 ACRES ALTOGETHER.
ABOUT. CUT IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
5000 ACRES OF PANELS AND A LOT OF WESTERVELT LAND.
WELL, I'LL TELL YOU, ONE OF THESE DAYS WE GOT TO REGRET THIS.
ONE OF THESE DAYS WE'RE GOING TO REGRET THESE SOLAR FARMS THAT WE HAVE ALLOWED TO GO IN.
WHAT? EUROPE IS ALREADY IN THE THROWS OF IT NOW GETTING RID OF THEM.
AND WE WEREN'T SMART ENOUGH TO WATCH EUROPE.
HOW MUCH LAND DO WE WANT? HOW MUCH LAND DO WE WANT TO DESTROY?
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MISS LEWIS? ARE YOU GETTING ANY? REQUEST FOR INFORMATION.THE AUDIENCE IS TAKEN CARE OF ITSELF.
WHEN PEOPLE CALL, I TELL THEM TO GO TO THE JULY 2022 BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING.
MR. UPDIKE WOULD BE VERY PROUD OF US AND THE ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE ITSELF.
I SAY AFTER YOU READ IT ALL, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, JUST GIVE ME A CALL.
AND IT IS KIND OF JUST TO GO ALONG WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
A LOT OF COUNTIES ARE NOT BEING PROACTIVE.
ME AND REVEREND LUCAS IN OUR BREAKOUT SESSIONS IN A COUPLE OF OUR CLASSES, SOLAR IS OBVIOUSLY A HOT TOPIC IN A LOT OF COUNTIES, AND WE ACTUALLY CALL MS LEWIS, AND THERE'S A FEW PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SEE OUR ORDINANCE TO USE IT AS A GUIDE.
OKAY. SINCE. SO AND I DID RECEIVE A LITTLE BLURB FROM PAGE COUNTY, WHICH IS JUST UP THE ROAD FROM ROCKINGHAM COUNTY ABOUT THE ORDINANCE AND I'M GOING TO SEND THAT TO THEM. WELL, I WOULD I WOULD ENCOURAGE ALL OF THE BOARD MEMBERS TO CALL OUR REPRESENTATIVE, MR. WAKEMAN OTTO, AND CALL THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN SUSSEX COUNTY, BECAUSE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THIS PROJECT IN SUSSEX WILL IMPACT SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY.
I MEAN, IT'S SIGNIFICANT SIGNIFICANTLY ALONG OUR NORTHERN BORDER OR I GUESS NORTH WESTERN BORDER.
SO AND YOU KNOW, I KNOW I'VE SPOKEN TO THREE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS.
THEY'RE JUST BEGINNING THE PROCESS, IS THAT IT? THE APPLICATION WAS JUST SUBMITTED, BUT IT'S BEEN IN TODAY.
THEY'VE HAD PUBLIC HEARINGS OR COMMUNITY PUBLIC MEETINGS.
AND THE PEOPLE THAT DO GO TO THE JULY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING ARE VERY INTERESTED IN YOUR YEARS WORTH OF DISCUSSION. THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT YOU JUST THOUGHT UP AND DIDN'T THINK THROUGH.
YOU WORKED THROUGH IT, AND YOU THOUGHT OF ALL DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES AND CHALLENGES AND EVERYTHING.
SO THE THE FACT THAT YOU DID TAKE A YEAR TO COME UP WITH AN ORDINANCE AND DO SOME RESEARCH AND IT'S VERY USEFUL TO WHERE'S THE COMPANY LOCATED THAT'S DOING THIS.
IT'S PROBABLY YEAH, I'VE READ IT.
NO, I BELIEVE THAT'S AN ERA I LISTEN I HAVE TO DO IS GO FOR GO DOWN FOR 60 AND LOOK AT THE BERMS. THEY HAVE ABOUT EVERY THIRD TREE THEY PLANT INSTEAD.
I TOOK A SURVEY OF THAT WHEN I WENT TO SOUTH KOREA THE OTHER DAY.
AND THERE ARE A LOT OF COUNTIES IN VIRGINIA WHO ARE HAPPY YOU DID IT.
ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YOU ALL READY TO GO HOME? YEAH.
DO I HEAR A MOTION TO ADJOURN? MAYBE I WON'T. MOTION TO ADJOURN.
YOU ALL HAVE A SAFE TRIP HOME.
ALL RIGHT. SEE YOU NEXT MONTH.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.