[00:00:03] I'M GOING TO CALL THE APRIL MEETING OF THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER. I'M GOING TO ASK IF EVERYONE WOULD STAND AS WE RECITE OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG. MR . CHESSON WOULD YOU LIKE TO STEP DOWN AND GIVE US A SHORT INVOCATION, PLEASE? PLEASE REMAIN STANDING FOR THE INVOCATION PLEASE. PRAY WITH ME, PLEASE DO. DEAR FATHER, LORD, WE JUST THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE STRENGTH AND ENERGY YOU'VE GIVEN US TO BE ABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT. THE SAFETY OF TRAVEL. LORD, WE JUST ASK THAT YOU. YOU FILL US WITH YOUR SPIRIT, LORD, TO HELP US DO AND SAVE THE THINGS THAT. THAT GIVE YOU MORE HONOR AND MORE GLORY. LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS COUNTY AND LORD, WE PRAY FOR OUR MEETING TONIGHT AND ASK THAT YOU, YOU HELP US MAKE THE DECISIONS AND DO THE THINGS THAT THAT POINT OTHERS TO YOU AND GIVE YOU MORE GLORY. LORD HELP US BE MORE LOVING. I PRAY THESE THINGS IN YOUR SON. JESUS NAME. AMEN. AMEN. MAY BE SEATED. AGAIN I WELCOME EVERYONE TO THE MEETING TONIGHT. WE HAVE A FEW THAT ARE NOT WITH US TONIGHT. LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT MR. TURNER AND MR. LUCAS AND MR. RANDALL ARE NOT IN ATTENDANCE, AND I'M GOING TO ASK NOW IF THE BOARD WILL ALLOW MR. MANN. HE IS ON THE TELEPHONE IF HE WILL BE ALLOWED TO JOIN US AND PARTICIPATE IN OUR MEETING TONIGHT. DO I HAVE A MOTION MOTION TO ALLOW SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND ANY DISCUSSION IF NOT ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MR. MANN IN THE MEETING TONIGHT BY TELEPHONE. SAY I LIKE SIGN. IT CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. MR. MANN. YOU ARE. YOU'RE PART OF THE MEETING TONIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YES, SIR. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CONDITIONAL BASED UPON YOU HAD TO MAKE AN INTELLIGENT COMMENT DURING THE MEETING. I'LL WORK ON THAT. THINK ABOUT THAT. I'M JUST. WE ALWAYS SHUT YOU OFF. I ALSO WANT TO THANK MR. REILLY WILL BE IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT, AS WELL AS OUR REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. OUR SHERIFF IS HERE. AND OF COURSE, MISS SHEILA, WE ALWAYS WELCOME YOU TO FOR THE GREAT WORK YOU DO AND TAKING OUR MINUTES FOR US. OKAY. SO OUR GOING DOWN OUR AGENDA. [II. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] ITEM NUMBER TWO IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE MARCH MEETING. SEE, EVERYONE HAD THEIR PACKETS IN FRONT OF THEM. GO TO ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS CONCERNING ANY AMENDMENTS CONCERNING THE MINUTES. YEAH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COUPLE. WELL, STARTING OFF ON PAGE THREE, THE LAST PARAGRAPH WHERE IT SAYS MR. STARTS OFF, MR. COREY STEVENSON AND ACTUALLY IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, IT WAS STEPHENS. THAT'S CORRECT. I WENT BACK AND CHANGED ALL THOSE. OKAY. MS. BAKER HAD THEM RIGHT AND I MADE THEM WRONG. AND THE ONE THAT THAT MR. DRAKE IS GOING TO SIGN IS CORRECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. VERY GOOD. AND I MEAN, THE ONLY OTHER THING WAS TRIVIAL ON PAGE FOUR AND MAYBE THE THIRD PARAGRAPH UP FROM THE BOTTOM WHERE IT STARTS OFF, VICE CHAIRMAN RANDALL SAYS THE SECOND LINE SENTENCE, NOT SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE IN THE LAST 20 YEARS HAS IT BEEN AN I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY SHOULD BE ONE. I MIGHT BE WRONG. BUT AGAIN, THE SENTENCE IT STARTS OUT NOT SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE IN 20 YEARS HAS THERE BEEN AN AND I THINK IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME. HE MADE SENSE WHEN HE WAS TALKING, AND I THINK IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE IF IT MAY. MAYBE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ANY. COULD BE ANY. YEAH, THAT WOULD WORK. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. NOTHING ELSE? NO, SIR. THAT'S FINE. WE NEED TO GET IT RIGHT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S MINOR. [00:05:04] SO I MIGHT BE READING 50 YEARS. JUST WONDER WHY WE DIDN'T CATCH THOSE TYPOS. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? ANYTHING. MOTION. WE APPROVE THE MINUTES. MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED WITH THE CORRECTIONS AS NOTED. SECOND. OKAY. MISS ALSTON PROPERLY SECONDED. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT CALLED TO VOTE ON IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES WITH THE CORRECTIONS MENTIONED SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED LIKE SIGN THAT UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, ITEM NUMBER THREE, PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. I'LL OPEN THE COMMENT PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. THIS TIME. ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. SHERIFF I RECKON IT'S YOU AND YOUR DEPARTMENT, Y'ALL GOT ANYTHING LIKE TO COME FORWARD TONIGHT? ALL RIGHT. IF NOT, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER FOUR, PUBLIC HEARINGS, THERE ARE NONE LISTED OR SCHEDULED FOR THIS EVENING. MOVING RIGHT DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE, UNFINISHED BUSINESS. [V. UNFINISHED BUSINESS] AND THAT'S CONCERNING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATES AND DISCUSSIONS THEREFORE, AND MISS LEWIS HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF STAPLING THE DIFFERENT SECTIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN OVER THUS FAR, NOT SAYING WE CAN'T GO BACK AND MAKE OTHER ADJUSTMENTS, BUT AT THIS TIME, MISS LEWIS, I'M GOING TO HAND IT OVER TO YOU, MA'AM. OKAY. THE ONLY CHAPTER THAT YOU HAVE TONIGHT THAT YOU HAVEN'T SEEN BEFORE IS THE ONE THAT SAYS CHAPTER SIX COMMUNITY FACILITIES. AND IT LOOKS DIFFERENT BECAUSE I WANTED IT TO STAND OUT SO Y'ALL COULD TELL IT WAS NEW. IT TALKS ABOUT THE HISTORIC PLACES. IT TALKS ABOUT THE PUBLIC SAFETY STAFFING. IT'S SORT OF A CATCH ALL KIND OF CHAPTER. TALKS ABOUT THE COUNTY'S UTILITIES IN THE AREAS THAT HAVE UTILITIES AND SOLID WASTE QUANTITIES, WASTE MANAGEMENT. IT'S KIND OF A CATCH ALL HAS SOME NICE PHOTOGRAPHS IN IT THAT WERE SOME WERE SUPPLIED BY MISS ALSTON, SOME WERE SUPPLIED BY WALT BROWN, SOME WERE SUPPLIED BY FSCDI FOR THE DOWNHOME DAYS AND THE LIBRARY AND THE SIGN FOR THAT'S NOW IN A SAMPLE OF THE SIGNS FROM THE NAT TURNER FACILITY. SO THAT THAT'S A CHAPTER YOU HAVEN'T SEEN BEFORE. YOU'VE SEEN ALL THE OTHER CHAPTERS. THE ONLY CHAPTER YOU DON'T HAVE IS THE ECONOMICS CHAPTER AND KARL HACKETT, FSEDI SAYS HE'LL HAVE THAT CHAPTER TO ME BY THE 21ST OF THIS MONTH. SO YOU'LL GET THAT NEXT MONTH. AND WHAT YOU DO HAVE IS THE INTRODUCTION. AND I SAID, I WOULD BRING THAT FOR YOU TONIGHT. THAT'S THE CHAPTER I HAVEN'T DONE ANY WORK ON YET, AND I'D LIKE YOU ALL TO LOOK AT IT AND OVER THE NEXT MONTH OR SO AND SEE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH AN INTRODUCTION. DO YOU WANT IT TO BE LIKE AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY? DO YOU WANT IT TO BE I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WANT IT TO BE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PURPOSES FOR AN INTRODUCTION. IT CAN BE AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY. IT CAN BE SOMETHING THAT PULLS PEOPLE IN, YOU KNOW, GIVES THEM LITTLE BITS OF INFORMATION. IT CAN BE A STORY. AND A LOT OF THIS IS LIKE A STORY WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT THE HISTORY AND CULTURE OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY AND HOW IT DEVELOPED AND DO YOU WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE THAT? AND THIS IS THIS EXCUSE MY INTERRUPT. THIS IS KIND OF WHAT THE CURRENT PLAN. THIS IS WHAT'S IN THE. YEAH. SO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS TO FOLLOW THE SAME FORMAT OR YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT UP SOMEWHAT. OKAY. RIGHT. AND ANY OF THE COMMENTS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ON THE REST OF THE CHAPTERS AS WELL AND YOU HAVE THE A MATRIX THAT YOU STARTED OUT WITH THINGS THAT WERE GOING TO BE IMPORTANT IN THIS PLAN. SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO CHECK THROUGH THAT AND SEE IF WE'VE GOTTEN WHAT'S STILL IMPORTANT IN THESE CHAPTERS. YOU HAVE TWO CHAPTERS THAT WERE NOT IN THE CURRENT PLAN, THE AGRICULTURE CHAPTER AND THE ENERGY CHAPTER. THOSE ARE NEW TO THIS VERSION OF THE PLAN. BUT IN THE PAST FEW YEARS, THOSE HAVE GOTTEN VERY IMPORTANT IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. AND YOU DO HAVE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAPS. [00:10:05] SOME WERE ASKING WHY ALL THE BLUE IS AROUND AND THE BOYKINS AND NEWSOMS AND BRANCHVILLE AREA THAT IS THE SOUTHAMPTON SOLAR FACILITY. COLOR BLUE IS INDICATES INSTITUTIONAL AND THE AREA BETWEEN DREWRYVILLE AND CAPRON IS OUT AT THE PRISON. THAT'S WHY IT'S THAT INSTITUTIONAL COLOR AS WELL. DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS, ANY THING YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT, ANY CHANGES YOU WANT TO MAKE, YOU WANT TO READ THROUGH IT SOME MORE? THE TRANSPORTATION CHAPTER, I PULLED INFORMATION FROM VDOT AND AS MUCH AS I COULD, BUT THE HAMPTON ROADS TRANSPORTATION PLANNING OFFICE IS GOING TO HELP UPDATE THAT CHAPTER AS WELL, SINCE ALL THE ROADS IN SOUTH HAMPTON COUNTY ARE OWNED BY VDOT, THE ONLY PART OF THE TRANSPORTATION CHAPTER THAT'S ACTUALLY SOUTH HAMPTON COUNTY IS THESE TWO PARAGRAPHS ON THE FRONT PAGE. THE REST IS ALL VDOT. SO THEY OFFER TO PROVIDE SOME HELP WITH THE TRANSPORTATION CHAPTER. AND THEY HOPE AT THE END OF WORKING ON THE TRANSPORTATION CHAPTER, THEY MAY HAVE SOME MONEY LEFT OVER AND IN THIS BUDGET. AND IF WE WANT, WE CAN HAVE THEM DO A MORE ENGAGING PLAN FOR THE WEB PAGE, SINCE THEY'LL BE BROADBAND THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY AND A COUPLE OF YEARS, HAVE SOMETHING THAT HAVE THE TEXT PLAN ONLINE BUT HAVE SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE ENGAGING ONLINE TOO, IF WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT. AND THEY WOULD THEY THINK THAT THEY WILL HAVE ENOUGH FUNDS TO HELP US DO THAT. OKAY. BUT YOU HAVEN'T YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE COMMUNITY FACILITIES CHAPTER YET. THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S LABELED CHAPTER SIX THAT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. HAS THE PAGE NUMBER 6-16-2. IF YOU HAD ANY CHANGES TO THAT, JUST LET ME KNOW. THIS DOES HAVE THE NEW ELECTION DISTRICTS MAP IN IT AND HOW WE GOT TO THE POINT OF HAVING NEW ELECTION DISTRICTS IS HOW THE CHAPTER STARTS. THERE'S INFORMATION ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY AND HEALTH CARE IN THE LIBRARIES. PARKS AND RECREATION. OF COURSE, COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE A PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT, BUT IN 2008, THE COUNTY DID DO A PARKS AND RECREATION PLAN. SO THAT'S REFERENCED IN HERE AND WHAT WAS FOUND THEN. THEN VIRGINIA MAKES AN OUTDOORS PLAN ON A REGULAR BASIS. SO WHAT THEY FOUND THAT THE PEOPLE IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY WANT AND WHAT THIS OBSERVATIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES IN THE COUNTY AND OF COURSE, RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES HELP DRIVE SOME TOURISM DOLLARS. SO THAT'S ALWAYS HELPFUL. AND THEN THERE'S STARTING BACK ON 6-8. WE START WITH HISTORICAL, HISTORIC AND CULTURAL RESOURCES. THAT'S THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES SITES AND INSURRECTION TRAIL AND THE HISTORICAL MUSEUM. THE INSURRECTION TRAIL, HOW DO YOU KNOW HOW CLOSE THAT IS TO BEING COMPLETED THAT PROJECT ? IN CORTLAND I THINK WHEN THE COURTHOUSE IS DONE, THE PART IN COURTLAND WILL FINISH UP. I THINK THEY'VE PUT UP A LOT OF THE SIGNS. I THINK AT THE LAST BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING I HEARD THAT THERE ARE 5 OR 6 SIGNS THAT WILL BE PUT UP WHEN THE COURTHOUSE IS COMPLETE. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE PART THROUGH THE COUNTY. THERE'S A TOTAL OF 30 SOME SITES. OH, REALLY? YES. OKAY. ABOUT HALF OF THEM IN CORTLAND AND THE REST ARE. ARE SPREAD OUT THROUGH THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY. YOU'LL. WHEN THIS WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED. WE WERE BACK IN THE IN THE DAY OF IPODS, WHICH I DON'T EVEN KNOW EXISTS ANYMORE. BUT YOU WERE GOING TO CHECK AN IPOD OUT AT THE REBECCA VAUGHAN HOUSE AND DRIVE IT, YOU KNOW, TAKE IT DRIVING THROUGH THE COUNTY. I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE PEOPLE THROUGH THE COUNTY. NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'LL. TURN TO THE STATION ON YOUR RADIO OR I DON'T KNOW. [00:15:02] AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY SIGNS, ANY OF THESE NEW SIGNS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. BUT THERE ARE. THERE ARE. I THINK THERE'S 15 SIGNS IN TOWN AND THERE'S PROBABLY CLOSE TO 20 GOING TO BE 20 SIGNS THROUGHOUT THE PART OF THE COUNTY. THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY. OKAY. IT'S BEEN A LONG PROCESS. I WROTE A GRANT TO VDOT FOR THE ORIGINAL MONEY BACK IN. MAYBE 2010, 2011. IS IT DESIGNED TO BE SELF GUIDED? YES, IT IS. OKAY. I THINK BRICK FRANCIS DOES TOURS, BUT YES, THIS THIS TRAIL IS MEANT TO BE SELF-GUIDED. THAT'S CERTAINLY AN AVENUE FOR POTENTIAL TOURISM, RIGHT? I MEAN, AT MOST OF THE SITES, THERE ISN'T MUCH TO SEE ANYMORE. THE HOUSES ARE GONE. BUT IT TAKES YOU THROUGH THE COUNTRYSIDE. SO PERHAPS YOU CAN SEE THE YOU CAN EXPERIENCE THE VASTNESS OF THIS OF THIS INSURRECTION. YEAH. OF THAT SECTION KIND CHANGE SUBJECTS IN PAGE 18. YOU GOT A TABLE OF WATER AND WASTEWATER USAGE AND COURTLAND IS LISTED AS BEING LIKE 85% CAPACITY. IS THAT AND I JUST GOT THOSE NUMBERS FROM THE THE COUNTY PUBLIC UTILITIES DEPARTMENT TWO WEEKS AGO IMPRESSION THAT I HAD CAPACITY HERE WERE 25. THOUGH BUT HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE WATER NOT THE WASTEWATER. OKAY. WE HAVE PLENTY OF WASTEWATER CAPACITY. BUT COURTLAND, I UNDERSTAND, DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF EXTRA WATER CAPACITY. I WAS TALKING ABOUT TABLE 963 ON PAGE 618, WHERE IT'S GOT COURTLAND'S.. OH, THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM, YEAH. THE 260 VERSUS 303 IS THE MAX. THAT'S RIGHT AT 85%. RIGHT IN COURTLAND. AS I UNDERSTAND, THERE'S A CAPACITY PROBLEM WITH THE PUMP STATIONS TO GET THE WASTEWATER FROM CORTLAND TO THE COUNTY'S OVERALL WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. SO THAT'S WHERE THAT NUMBER IS. THEY'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO CAPACITY UNTIL THERE'S IMPROVEMENTS TO THEIR PUMPING SYSTEM. BUT THESE NUMBERS ARE JUST FROM PUBLIC UTILITIES A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. OKAY. I MEAN, I GUESS IT WAS I'D SAY WHAT'S BEEN REPRESENTED TO ME THAT IT WAS NOT THAT CLOSE TO CAPACITY. WELL, WHEN YOU WHEN IT GETS TO THE MAIN PUMP STATION DOWN THE ROAD FROM OUR OFFICE, THERE'S PLENTY OF CAPACITY. IT'S GETTING IT THERE WHERE THE SHORTFALL SHORTFALLS ARE. YEAH, BUT SOMEBODY WOULD BE I GUESS IT'S A I DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD PLAN TO THE IMPRESSION SOMEONE HAS WHEN THEY LOOK AT THIS, THEY SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, GOING TO GET THAT MUCH CAPACITY. SO WE DON'T CAN'T PLAN ON HAVING BRINGING IMPROVEMENTS TO THE COUNTY BECAUSE THERE'S NOT MUCH SEWER CAPACITY. BUT THAT'S JUST FOR THE TOWN. THAT'S JUST THE TOWN'S CAPACITY. THE AREA THAT IS SERVED BY THE IN THE TOWN LIMITS. BUT I'LL BE GLAD TO HAVE AMANDA SMITH GIVE ME A LONG EXPLANATION FOR NEXT MONTH IF YOU WOULD LIKE. WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT I GUESS I'D LIKE SAY I JUST KNOW THAT IF, IF I WAS AN INDUSTRY COMING TO SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, I'D PROBABLY STUDY THESE NUMBERS AND LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AND SAY, WELL, WELL, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION AND MISS LEWIS, AM I HEARING YOU SAY THAT THE PUMPING STATION THAT WAS SERVICED TO COUNTY HAS CAPACITY IS JUST INTERNAL OF THE TOWN LIMITS IS ADDED.. YES AS I UNDERSTAND THAT MAIN WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AT THE END OF TARANAKI ROAD BY OUR OFFICE HAS.. AMPLE CAPACITY. ABOUT 25% USED RIGHT NOW IT'S GETTING IT THERE WHERE THERE ARE SOME TIGHTNESS. AND SO THAT'S JUST UPGRADED PUMP STATIONS THAT ARE NEEDED. WHEN THE FLAGGY RUN NEIGHBORHOOD WAS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED ON FLAGGY RUN ROAD BY BENSON WOODS. [00:20:10] THERE WAS PLENTY OF CAPACITY ONCE YOU GOT PAST THE PUMP STATION THAT WAS NEAREST THEM. SO THAT'S WHY THEY CHOSE TO MAKE BIGGER LOTS SO THEY COULD USE WELL AND SEPTIC RATHER THAN THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE TO DO A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF UPGRADES TO THE PUMP STATION TO GET IT TO THE COUNTY'S WASTEWATER FACILITY. CHESSON WE'D LIKE SOMEONE TO. I'M JUST POINTING OUT THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING. I KNOW OF TWO OF THE PUMP. I DON'T KNOW WHY ALL THE PUMPING STATIONS ARE. I KNOW IT'S ONE OUT BY [INAUDIBLE] ROAD AT HANCOCK, CORRECT? I WOULD SAY YES. THAT'S THE PUMP STATION. RIGHT. AND THERE'S ONE UP AT JACK'S STORAGE FACILITY WHERE THEY'RE PUTTING THE FIBER OPTIC OR WHAT DO YOU CALL IT, THE VARIABLE DOWN THERE BY COPELAND'S PLACE ON 58, YOU KNOW, THE PUMP STATION. RIGHT. IT IS NOT A PUMP STATION THERETO, I BELIEVE SO. LIKE THE INTERSECTION OF 58 AND SHADY BROOK TRAIL AND MOSES CAMP PARKWAY. CORRECT? I BELIEVE SO. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW. MR WELL, DO YOU KNOW OF ANY OTHER STATIONS LOCATED AROUND? I'M NOT. I'M I JUST DON'T KNOW, TO BE HONEST. I DON'T KNOW. THAT MIGHT BE AN INTERESTING TOPIC. WHAT DO YOU WHAT DO YOU WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK? IF IF, IF MR. LEWIS COULD SCHEDULE SOMEONE TO COME IN AND GIVE US A AN ANALOGY, I JUST HAVE A MAYBE HAVE A FOOTNOTE TO SAY THAT THE TREATMENT PLANT CAPACITY, IS THIS RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO JUST LET MAYBE A POTENTIAL. WELL, CERTAINLY TO SEE THAT CALL SOME RESTRICTIONS IF WE'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP AROUND THE TOWNSHIPS, IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE KIND OF TRYING TO ENCOURAGE, THAT'S GOING TO BE THE FIRST FLOOR WE'RE GOING TO HAVE. SO FAR AS AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, I THINK, IS TO ENCOURAGE GROWTH AROUND THE TOWNSHIPS. WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW THE COST INVOLVED WITH INCREASING YOUR PUMPING CAPACITY TO CORRECT, MAYBE GET THOSE NUMBERS IF POSSIBLE. IF THEY HAVE ANY. OR JUST WHAT DOES FRANKLIN SOUTHAMPTON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WHEN THEY'RE GOING OUT PITCHING THE COUNTY? ARE THEY ARE THEY PITCHING THESE NUMBERS OR ARE THEY PITCHING A DIFFERENT NUMBER? AND WHEN YOU LOOK ON PAGE 617, THE THIRD SENTENCE DOWN, THE FORMER CORTLAND WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT WAS REPLACED WITH A NEW EXPANDED WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT IN 2010. THE NEW PLANT WAS DESIGNED WITH A DESIGN FLOW OF 1.2 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY, AND IT WAS DESIGNED WITH PROVISIONS FOR EXPANSIONS UP TO 3.75 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY AND 1.25 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY INCREMENTS. THAT'S TALKING ABOUT THE NEW FACILITY. THAT TELLS HOW MUCH TOTAL CAPACITY THERE IS. WELL, AS YOU GO ON DOWN A LITTLE FURTHER, IT TALKS ABOUT THE. THE COURTLAND INTERCEPTOR PUMP STATION EXPAND INTO RIVERDALE SCHOOL AND THE HIGH STREET METHODIST CHURCH. AND THE RESISTANCE CAMP PORTWAY. THAT'S THE ONE I'M TALKING ABOUT. I THINK THAT'S LOCATED WHERE THE STORAGE IS ON 58 AND SHADER BROOK INTERSECTION. AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THAT LINE GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE WASTEWATER. THEY ALL DO. THEY ALL DO. THAT'S THE POINT OF IT. WELL, THAT WELL, THAT PARTICULAR THAT WAS PROBABLY THE LAST NEW EXPANSION PUT IN. RIGHT. SO PROBABLY THAT HAS ADDITIONAL CAPACITY. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE TO SERVE. WELL, IT SAYS HERE IT WAS DESIGNED WITH AN INITIAL CAPACITY OF 0.7, 2 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY, WITH PROVISION TO EXPAND TO A PEAK FLOW OF 1.8 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. SO THERE'S CAPACITY AT THE END. IT'S GETTING IT THERE. CORRECT. BUT IT STILL IS GOING TO HAVE VERY LITTLE EFFECT IF THEY EVER TRANSITION OUT OVER TO THE COUNTY. CORRECT. 32. 32,000 GALLONS PER DAY. THERE IS A THERE'S A STUDY GOING ON NOW, I THINK, USING SOME OF THE COVID FUNDS TO UPGRADE [00:25:04] THE EDGEHILL FACILITY. I THINK MISS LOWE HAS BEEN PART OF SOME OF THOSE MEETINGS. WOULD THAT COME TO COURTLAND? IT'S ALL GOING TO END UP IN COURTLAND. YES. I'LL GET THIS CHAPTER. I'LL ASK THE PUBLIC UTILITIES DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION FOR YOU TO SEE WHERE THE WASTEWATER IS COMING FROM AND WHERE IT'S GOING TO. YEAH, YOU KNOW, AND LIKE I SAID, WE CAN ASK THE QUESTION, HOW CLOSE ARE WE TO CAPACITY? I KNOW A WHILE BACK, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, I KNOW THAT THE TREATMENT PLANT AT BOYKINS HAS, I THINK HAS ADDITIONAL CAPACITY NOW. BUT THEN AGAIN, IT'S SOMETHING ABOUT I HEARD ABOUT A BIGGER PIPE THAT COMES FROM THE NEWSOMS AREA, 9671. WHEN IT GOES DOWN TO HEAL INTO BOYKINS, A BIGGER PIPE GOES INTO A SMALLER PIPE. I'VE HEARD THAT THAT'S TRUE OR NOT. AND THAT'S RESTRICTING ANY GROWTH DOWN THAT CORRIDOR. I DON'T KNOW IF IN ABOUT A MONTH OF THAT CONVERSATION OR NOT, BUT IT'D BE IT'D BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF SOME OF THOSE THINGS HAVE BEEN CORRECTED BECAUSE OUR GROUP MUST ADJUST THEM, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN'T GET IT TO THE TREATMENT PLANT. HOW HOW ARE WE GOING TO HOW ARE WE GOING TO ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPMENT AND EXPANSION OF INDUSTRIES, WHETHER RESIDENTIAL, CLOSE TO THESE AREAS? IF WE DON'T HAVE CAPACITY, IF THE NETWORK OF PIPE AND TO GET DOWN. SO MRS LOUIS, IF YOU THINK YOU COULD GET SOMEONE TO COME IN AND EXPAND ON THAT FOR A SHORT PRESENTATION OR I'LL GET IT AND PROVIDE IT TO YOU. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? WELL, I WAS READING THROUGH THE INTRODUCTION, AND I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF LITTLE ADS OR I GUESS ON PAGE SEVEN OF THE INTRODUCTION, AND IT'S THE NOTTOWAY HISTORY PART OF IT. OKAY. ONE THING WE'RE KIND OF GETTING AWAY FROM USING THE WORD INDIAN. SO IF YOU SAY INDIGENOUS NOTTOWAY PEOPLE, INDIGENOUS PEOPLE, THAT'S KIND OF THE THE DIRECTION NOW. OKAY. AND YOU TALKED ABOUT THE RESERVATION. THE RESERVATION WAS 40,000 ACRES DESIGNATED IN 1705, TWO TRACTS, THREE MILES CIRCLE TRACK FROM ACIMOVIC'S SWAMP SURROUNDING SEABROOK FROM THAT SIDE, THE NORTH SIDE OF THE NOTTOWAY, A SIX MILE SQUARE TRACK SOUTH OF THE NOTTOWAY CARRIES BRIDGE WAS PROBABLY THE TOP PEAK, BUT IT WAS A SQUARE TRACK. AND THEN BETWEEN 1830 AND 1878, THE LAST LAND OF THE NOTTOWAY RESERVATION WAS ALLOTTED TO DESCENDANTS OF FEMALES OF THE TRIBE WHO BECAME INDIVIDUAL LANDOWNERS. THE RESERVATION THAT WAS THE LAST RESERVATION. AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO STILL LIVE ON THAT LAND. WOW. SO IF YOU CAN, YOU NEED A MORE CONCISE. WELL, NO, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE MORE CONCISE. BUT IF YOU IF I SEND YOU BY EMAIL, THE WORD VERSION OF THIS. OKAY. YOU GO IN AND I WAS JUST GIVING THE LANGUAGE SO YOUR DATES WOULD BE OKAY. YOU KNOW, THAT'S 1705 IS KIND OF THE THOUGHTS OF THAT HAPPENING THAT PREDATES THE COUNTY. THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE COLONIAL PERIOD. AND THEN THE THE ALLOCATION OF THE LAST OF THE LAND, WHICH WAS ABOUT 5000 ACRES, BECAUSE PORTIONS OF THE RESERVATION LAND HAD BEEN SOLD OFF OVER FROM 1735 GOING FORWARD. AND IT LITTLE BY LITTLE IT WAS SOLD OFF. SO THAT'S YOUR LITTLE KNOWN HISTORY FACT FOR THE NIGHT. ANYTHING YOU IF YOU WOULD, CONVEY ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO MISS LEWIS. I THINK I JUST. THAT LITTLE SNIPPET THAT HELPS YOU. I'LL SEND. I'LL SEND ALL OF YOU A WORD COPY OF THIS IF YOU WANT TO MAKE SOME EDITS TO IT, I'LL SEND IT TO THE ONES WHO AREN'T HERE TONIGHT SO THEY GET THEIR HOMEWORK AS WELL. [00:30:02] AND THE SHIFT TO USING INDIGENOUS PEOPLE, IT SEEMS TO BE EVERYWHERE. SO AND THIS WAS YOU CAN SEE THE DATE AT THE BOTTOM 2015. SO. RIGHT. AND LOOK, IN FIVE YEARS IT MIGHT BE ANOTHER TERM. WHO KNOWS THE WAY THINGS GO, WE JUST, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS. SURE. ANYTHING ELSE? BOTH LOOKING AND PONDERING. I JUST THINK IT LOOKS GOOD. IT'S BEEN REFINED. IT'S BEEN UPDATED. I'M SURE THERE ARE THINGS THAT WILL BE UPDATED AGAIN WHEN, NEXT TIME AROUND. BUT AND SOME OF THE CHAPTERS, THE ONES THAT WE LOOKED AT EARLY, I THINK MAYBE THE POPULATION AND HOUSING CHAPTERS, THERE IS NEWER INFORMATION. SO WHEN IT GETS DOWN TO WHEN THIS IS ALL GOING TO GET DONE, I'LL DO ONE MORE SWIPE THROUGH AND UPDATE ANY INFORMATION. BUT I'VE ALREADY CHANGED SOME OF THE CHAPTERS, POPULATION FIGURES AND SO FORTH TWICE. SO WE'LL WAIT TILL WE GET A LITTLE CLOSER TO BEING DONE BEFORE WE CHANGE THEM ONE MORE TIME. IT'S INTERESTING SEEING THE LIST OF HISTORIC LANDMARKS THAT ARE ALSO NATIONAL HISTORIC SITES IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. I MEAN, THAT'S PRETTY. IT'S A GOOD THING FOR OUR COUNTY HAS SO MUCH HISTORY. IT IS. IT'S FULL OF HISTORY. IT'S FULL OF HISTORY. WE HAVE A STORY TO TELL. RIGHT. BECAUSE IT'S IT ALL STARTED VERY CLOSE TO HERE. VERY CLOSE. RIGHT. AND. I DON'T MEAN TO SAY THIS THE WRONG WAY. I DON'T I DON'T MEAN TO SAY TO CAPITALIZE ON, BUT WE HAVE A LOT TO SHARE WITH PEOPLE. EXACTLY. AT THE SAME TIME, CAPITALISM DOES COME INTO PLAY. I MEAN, TOURISM. TOURISM BRINGS IN DOLLARS, RIGHT? BUT WHETHER IT'S THE GAS STATION OR AN EATERY OR A LODGING OR WHATEVER ELSE. BUT YEAH, IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD REALLY EXPAND ON, POSSIBLY. FRANKLIN SOUTHAMPTON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. THEY WORK A LOT. WELL, THEY DO TOURISM, BUT THEY'RE ALWAYS PROMOTING THE SIGHTS OF OUR COUNTY AND THE DIFFERENT EVENTS THAT GO ON HERE. WE HAVE A NICE MIX OF THINGS AND OPPORTUNITIES ON THE WEEKENDS, TOO, FOR OUR SMALL, SMALL COMMUNITIES. WE DO OFFER A LOT AND VERY POSITIVE, AND IT CONTINUES TO GROW. THINGS ARE STILL EVOLVING. I DON'T HAVE ANY PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO STAY. THAT'S THE ONE VOID, RIGHT? RIGHT. THE ONE VOID. IF WE COULD GET A NATIONAL CHAIN TYPE HOTEL. IT WOULD BE A BIG HELP. COURTLAND SHOULD HAVE WON BECAUSE THAT'S COUNTY SEAT. I THINK THEY LOOKED AT ONE YEARS AGO OVER BY EMORY AND GRAYSON AND THAT IN THE FIELD OUT THERE BEFORE THAT IN BETWEEN THAT NOTTOWAY HOUSE THAT WAS A PROPOSED HOTEL MOTEL AT ONE POINT. AND I THINK THAT KIND OF FELL APART. PROBABLY NEED SOMEONE TO AGGRESSIVELY GO AFTER THAT. THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO. WHAT IS IT? F ISD. I THINK. I THINK MR. HACKETT FSEDI TOLD ME THAT THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY IS RECENTLY SOLD. THE TROUBLE IS, YOU DON'T GO AGGRESSIVELY AFTER THAT. YOU HAVE TO HAVE STUFF THEY WANT. THEY COME SAY, I GOT TO FIND OUT THE PLACE WHERE THEY CAN BORROW THE MONEY ON THE. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD A REAL BIG THING HERE UNLESS THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE PROFIT. I WOULD THINK THAT BECAUSE 58 IS SUCH A HEAVILY TRAVELED CARD OR YOU LOOK AT SOME OTHER SMALL TOWNS THAT HAVE HOTELS, IT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULD RATHER STAY AWAY FROM LIKE A MAJOR URBAN SITE AND GO TO WHERE THE COST OF THE [00:35:07] ROOMS ARE A LITTLE MORE AFFORDABLE. SO. AND I'VE ASKED MR. HECK ABOUT A SMALL SCALE GROCERY STORE LIKE A LIDL OR AN ALDI, THAT KIND OF STORE. AND HE SAID THAT THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH TRAFFIC HERE. IT SEEMS LIKE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE 58 HEADING TOWARD THE BEACH AS PEOPLE GOT OFF 95 AND WERE HEADING TOWARD THE BEACH, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT WORK OR IF IT WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, PEOPLE COMING HOME FROM WORK WHO WORK EAST OF HERE AND COME HOME FROM WORK, HE SAID JUST YOU KNOW, HE'S HE'S TRIED WITH THOSE KIND OF STORES, WOULDN'T GET A BIG, YOU KNOW, FULL SIZE ANOTHER STORE THE SIZE OF FOOD LION BUT ONE OF THOSE LITTLE OR ALDI TYPE STORES BUT HE SAID THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH POPULATION. IF YOU LOOK AT A PLACE LIKE WILLIAMSBURG, EVEN, IT'S NOT THE HISTORICAL PART OF WILLIAMSBURG THAT'S THE BIG DRAW AT SEA WATER PARKS AND THINGS AROUND IT. AND THE FAMILY COMES THERE AND THEN THEY WANT TO SPEND THE DAY THERE. THAT'S WHAT BRINGS THEM THERE. AND NOT MANY FAMILIES GO TO COME WITH SMALL KIDS JUST TO WALK AROUND IN WILLIAMSBURG. SO THEY'RE COMING TO THE THEME PARKS AND AND THEY GOT TO BRANCH OUT FROM THERE. YEAH, THEY HAVE THAT BIG SHOPPING CENTER, TOO, THAT BIG OUTLET CENTER IN WILLIAMSBURG. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST GO FOR THAT. SO. I HOPE IT IS THE TRAIL AS THE NAT TURNER TRAIL FINISHES OUT, I SHOULD THINK. I CAN IMAGINE DRIVING AROUND SOUTH PART OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY IN JULY AND AUGUST. YOU WOULD PROBABLY PAY $20 FOR AN ICE CREAM CONE. YEAH. OH, YEAH. YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS, THERE WAS A PLACE TO GET SOMETHING COLD TO EAT AND DRINK, I SHOULD THINK THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME WEEKENDS THAT YOU WOULD BE BUSIER THAN YOU COULD STAND. EVEN FOOD TRUCKS. YOU KNOW, MOBILE KIND OF THING WHERE YOU GO. YEAH. IF WE EVER COME UP WITH A LIST OF BUSINESSES, SMALL BUSINESSES WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY, FOR INSTANCE, THE KAYAKING PLACE IN CORTLAND, I MEAN, HOW MANY PEOPLE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT OR EVEN KNOW THAT IT'S THERE? CAN YOU PROMOTE THAT TO THE RIVERS AND GET LISTS OF THINGS THAT PEOPLE COULD DO IN THE COUNTY IN THE SUMMER, THE FALL OR WHATEVER? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO? YOU KNOW, WE REALLY DON'T ADVERTISE THAT OF THE RIVERS. I MEAN, THE RIVERS, YOU KNOW, WE GOT 4 OR 5 LAUNCH SITES ON THE RIVERS, YOU KNOW, AND I. THEY'RE WELL HIDDEN, AREN'T THEY? YEAH, VERY MUCH SO. THE THING THAT KEEPS DEVELOPMENT FROM HAPPENING ON THE RIVER IS A LOT OF THAT'S. MANN CAN'T DEVELOP IT. AND THE NOTTAWAY RIVER IS THE MOST SCENIC RIVER IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA. THAT NUMBER ONE. WE TAKE A LOT OF GROUPS OUT IN THE RIVER FOR PADDLES AND WE USE BLACKWATER. WE RENT THEIR EQUIPMENT. SO IT'S IT'S. WE HAVE A WHOLE LITTLE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMITTEE WITHIN THE TRIBE AND THAT'S THEIR THING. THEY LOVE GOING OUT. IN FACT, WE HAVE CLEAN RIVER DAY ON THE 22ND AND WE'VE GOT PEOPLE COMING FROM CHARLOTTESVILLE AND RICHMOND AND OTHER PLACES TO BE WITH US AFTER WE CLEAN THE RIVER. WE HAVE A BIG POTLUCK, BIG PICNIC. SO AND THEY LOVE BEING OUT ON THE RIVER. SOME OF THEM KEEP COMING BACK EVERY YEAR JUST TO GO OUT ON THE NOTTOWAY. WOW. BUT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PLACE FOR THEM TO SPEND MONEY ON NIGHTLIFE. NO, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT POTLUCK. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO HAVE A COOKOUT, YOU KNOW, SO WHICH I MEAN, IT'S IT'S NICE HAVING. FOOD THAT PEOPLE PREPARE. BUT IT WOULD BE NICE IF THERE WAS A WAY TO HAVE A RESTAURANT OR A PLACE WHERE YOU COULD GO. GO AHEAD. RESTAURANT. RESTAURANT BUSINESS IS TOUGH. YOU KNOW, WE HAD DOCKSIDE DOWN THERE ON THE RIVER AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY POPULAR. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO UP THE CHICKAHOMINY RIVER AT ISLANDS IS A HUGE RECREATIONAL BOATING SITUATION UP THERE, RESTAURANTS AND EVERYTHING. YOU CAN SPEND THE NIGHT CABINS AND EVERYTHING UP ON THE CHICKAHOMINY. IT GOES INTO THE JAMES THERE. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? [00:40:04] MR. MANN. YOU GOT ANY QUESTIONS? I'M HANGING IN. OKAY. WE STILL NEED TO GO BACK AND JUST REVIEW IT. MISS LEWIS, GO THROUGH A LOT OF TROUBLE TO GET ALL THIS PUT TOGETHER AND. UM, SHELIA, SHE'S DONE A GOOD JOB PRINTING AND SUCH BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING READY TO PUT A PLAN TOGETHER. IT'S BEEN A PROCESS, BUT WE'RE GETTING THERE. AND, YOU KNOW, HISTORICALLY ON THIS PLAN, YOU CAME OUT AND WE TALKED ABOUT LAST NIGHT, ONE OF THE BUDGET MEETINGS HERE WAS WE USED TO OUTSOURCE THIS. OKAY. I CAN REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I REMEMBER DID IT, IT WAS LIKE 70, 75,000 BUCKS BY THE TIME I GOT THROUGH. BUT WE'RE DOING IT IN HOUSE NOW. YOU'RE SAVING THE COUNTY A LOT OF MONEY. WHICH I FIGURED, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD PEOPLE COMING IN FROM TIMBUKTU HOW MUCH WOULD THEY KNOW ABOUT THE COUNTY THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW? DO YOU FEEL IT'S A BETTER DOCUMENT BECAUSE WE'VE DONE IT? YEAH, I DEFINITELY I DO, YEAH. THE HOMESPUN TYPE DOCUMENT DIRECTED BY AND THANK YOU, BETH, FOR WORKING ON THAT SO HARD. THIS IS MY THIRD ONE, A LITTLE UPDATE AND CHANGE OF SUBJECT, BUT I HEARD I SENT COPIES OF OUR SOLAR ORDINANCE TO ROCKINGHAM COUNTY AND I'M NOT SURE IF THEY ADOPTED IT. MY FRIEND UPSTAIRS SAID THEY MAY HAVE ADOPTED, NOT SURE, BUT THE SOLAR FARMS CUT. THEY HAD LIKE 3 OR 4 IN A ROW THAT CAME IN AND THAT WAS IT. THAT WAS THE END OF IT. SO. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? GOING HAVE A SHORT MEETING TONIGHT. EFFICIENT. BUT WE STILL WE HAVE A LOT OF HOMEWORK TO DO FOR FOR NEXT MEETING I'LL I'LL SEND YOU THE INTRODUCTION CHAPTER IN WORD IF YOU WANT TO GO IN THERE AND MAKE SOME EDITS TO IT. IF THERE ARE ANY OF THE OTHER CHAPTERS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE THE WORD VERSIONS OF, I WILL BE GLAD TO SEND THEM TO YOU AND YOU CAN MAKE YOUR EDITS AND MAKE THEM IN RED OR UNDERLINE THEM OR SOMETHING. SO WE KNOW THEY'RE NEW, BUT THEN WE'LL NEED TO DECIDE HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET IT OUT TO THE PUBLIC. NOW, WHAT IS OUR SCHEDULE ON THAT? DO WE HAVE A DON'T HAVE? I DON'T KNOW. NO, WE DON'T HAVE A SCHEDULE YET. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL WANT TO DO IT OVER THE SUMMER. WAIT TILL FALL. WHEN IS IT CONVENIENT, DO YOU THINK, FOR THE PUBLIC TO TAKE PART? IS THERE A IS THERE A REQUIRED NUMBER OF SESSIONS? NO. YOU'RE ONLY REQUIRED TO HAVE ONE PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BOOTH IN AT THE FAIR. UH OH. OH, IF IT COULD BE ANYTHING BUT THE HOTTEST WEEK OF THE YEAR, PERHAPS YOU COULD SELL THOSE ICE CREAM CONES. YES, IT'S TRUE. WE HAVE DONE A COUPLE OF SCHOOL BUILDINGS, AND WE'VE BEEN TO A CHURCH BEFORE. LAST TIME WE WENT TO THE TOWN HALL IN I'VE. OR YOU WENT TO THE AT THE RURITAN CLUB IN CAPRON BY THE POST OFFICE? THAT'S CORRECT. WENT TO THE POST OFFICE IN BOYKINS AND THEN HAD ONE HERE. I'VE ASKED MISS ALSTON. SHE SAID WE CAN USE HER FACILITY FOR A MEETING TO SERVE THAT PART OF THE COUNTY. I WAS AT A MEETING FOR THE NEWSOMS GRANT AREA AND THAT MEETING WAS HELD IN THE NEWSOMS RURITAN CLUB. RIGHT. THAT WAS A VERY NICE BUILDING. MAYBE WE COULD SEE IF WE WANTED TO USE THAT BUILDING. ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER KINDS OF IDEAS AND LIKE THE NORTH PART OF THE COUNTY OR. ANYWHERE. I MEAN, UNLESS YOU PULL OUT OF HERE SOME CONTROVERSIAL STUFF AND PLASTER IT IN THE IN THE MEDIA. I DON'T GET MUCH PARTICIPATION WE DID UP IN THE I'VE OR WE HAD. WELL, MR MR DRAKE WENT TO ALL OF THEM WITH ME AND I WORE WE HAD 20 OR 25 PEOPLE AND BOYKINS THE WHOLE FIREHOUSE [00:45:09] WAS FULL. WE WENT TO GO TO HOLLANDALE SCHOOL. WANTS TO KNOW, I THINK. NO, NO. HOLLANDALE SCHOOL. BUT BOYKINS WAS. THAT FIRE STATION WAS FULL. TIDEWATER NEWS IS A GOOD PLACE TO GO. THEY'RE NOT OVERLOADED. WELL, YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAVE TO HIT THEM. YEAH. AND. TRY AND COORDINATE IT. WHAT WE DID WAS TRY AND COORDINATE IT WITH THE TOWN COUNCIL WITH THOSE PLACES, YOU KNOW, HAVE IT, HAVE IT THE SAME NIGHT AS THEIR MEETING OR HAVE THEM ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GO. BUT I WAS SURPRISED AT HOW MANY PEOPLE SHOWED UP. I THINK. I THINK DOUG IS GOOD. IT JUST SHOWS WELL ON OUR PART THAT WE'RE WILLING TO COME OUT TO THE COMMUNITIES TO PUT IT IN FRONT OF THEM. AND THEN IF THEY'RE IF THEY'RE WILLING, THEY WON'T HAVE TO TRAVEL VERY FAR. YOU KNOW, IS THERE A CERTAIN CLUB OR ANY SIMILAR KIND OF CLUB LIKE IN THE SYDNEY AREA OR THE BERLIN-IVOR AREA? IT'S ALSO A VERY GOOD LEGAL DOCUMENT. THERE'S A LOT OF WHITE QUARTZ. YOU GOT COMMUNITY BUILDING. I GUESS THAT'S A CORINTH WHERE THE CHURCH IS AS A COMMUNITY. AS A COMMUNITY BUILDING. COULD YOU DO IT AT THE FIREHOUSE IN IVOR? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. WE DID IT. THE TOWN. THE TOWN BUILDING THERE LAST TIME. YEAH. OLD SCHOOL. THE OLD, OLD SCHOOL. RIGHT. SCHOOL. THAT'S A NICE BUILDING. YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S PROBABLY GET MORE PEOPLE. MAYBE WE COULD PICK OUT MAYBE FOUR, MAYBE FOUR SITES. I THINK THAT'S ALL WE DID BEFORE. WE DID FOUR SITES AND ONE OF THEM WAS HERE. YEAH, WE'D BE ON LINE HERE. RIGHT. ARE WE ON LINE TONIGHT? YES. OKAY, SO MAYBE IF YOU PLAN TO DO THE MEETING. HERE IS THE FIRST ONE. YEAH. AND THEN MAYBE PEOPLE WOULD SEE IT AND THEY'D SAY, COMING, ATTRACTIONS ARE COMING TO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE HAVE TO ADVERTISE ALL THESE IN THE NEWSPAPER. WE I BELIEVE WHAT WE DID LAST TIME WAS NOT A LEGAL AD WE TOOK OUT LIKE A QUARTER PAGE AD. NOW, WOULD THIS WOULD THIS BE WOULD THIS INFORMATION BE ON THE WEBSITE? IT IS RIGHT NOW. OKAY. SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO VIEW IT AND THEN COME IN WITH QUESTIONS AND WE CAN ELABORATE. RIGHT. OR TAKE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION. OKAY. SO WHEN DO YOU WANT TO DO IT? IS SOME ARE GOOD OR IS FALL GOOD? WHEN'S GOOD? I THINK THE FALL BEGAN THE FALL WHEN THE KIDS GO BACK TO SCHOOL AND, YOU KNOW, FAMILIES AREN'T TRAVELING OUT. YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER THINGS GOING ON IN THE SUMMER. THEY DIDN'T WANT TO BE IN THE BUILDING LISTENING TO THIS. I DON'T KNOW. LATE, LATE FALL. MR. OKAY, I KNOW IT. MR MANN YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON THE TIMING OF THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS? YEAH, I KEEP HEARING EVERYBODY TALK ABOUT THE FALL. YEAH, I NEED SOME HELP. MAYBE THE LATTER. MAYBE THE LATTER PART OF THE FALL MAYBE. WHAT'S WHAT DO YOU THINK? ARE YOU ALL THINKING LIKE OCTOBER OR OCTOBER? YOU THINK ABOUT OCTOBER. TEMPERATURES. NICE. LET'S SEE. I'M. I'M THINKING THAT MAYBE WE CAN ADVERTISE THIS AT THE FIRE IN AUGUST AND KICK IT OFF RIGHT THERE. STILL IN AUGUST. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. OKAY. YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST THE THOUGHT. THAT'S A THAT'S A GOOD, GOOD TIME TO GET THE WORD OUT A LITTLE BIT. THAT IS A I KNOW IT'S HOT, BUT THAT IS A CENTRAL. OH, DID HE SAY THE FAIR? HE SAID THE FAIR TO KICK IT OFF. WELL, I'M SAYING YOU CAN ADVERTISE IT. HE JUST VOLUNTEERED. I HEARD THE WORD. YOU CAN GET THE WORD OUT. SHEILA AND I WERE THERE FOR FOUR DAYS LAST TIME WE DID IT. MR MANN DIDN'T. LOOKING FOR VOLUNTEERS. WELL, NOW I'M NOT SAYING HAVE A BOOTH. WHAT I'M SAYING IS PROMOTE THE MEETINGS AND THEN FOLLOW UP LATER IN AUGUST WITH THE FIRST MEETING. JUST ANNOUNCE IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. THE DATES, MAYBE. WELL, SHERIFF WYCHE. THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAS A BOOTH AT THE FAIR, DON'T THEY? YES. COULD WE PUT MATERIAL AT YOUR BOOTH? A FLIER. WE HAVE. WE BASICALLY HAVE. RIGHT. SO WE COULD PUT FLIERS AT THE FAIR AT THE SHERIFF'S TABLE. THE SHERIFF'S BOOTH. THEY PUT A POSTER UP OR SOMETHING. [00:50:02] THE THING ABOUT A LOT OF WELL, SOME THAT TEND TO FAIL ARE NOT REALLY RESIDENTS OF THE COUNTY. SO WE'RE NOT. I'M NOT SAYING WE CAN'T PLAY THAT COMMENT, BUT BUT YET STILL BE A GOOD WAY TO GET THE ANNOUNCEMENT TO SCHEDULE A NIGHT FOR THE MEETING. SO I AGREE WITH THAT. AND WHEN WE WENT TO THE FAIR BEFORE, YOU SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE RESIDENTS BUT WHO WOULD NEVER COME TO A MEETING. THAT'S RIGHT. BUT YOU TRY AND CONVINCE THEM THAT THIS PLAN IS NOT FOR US. IT'S FOR THE ONE YOU'RE PUSHING IN THE STROLLER. THAT'S WHO WE MAKE PLANS FOR. AND YOU YOU SEE PEOPLE IN THAT DEMOGRAPHIC AT THE FAIR. WELL, MAYBE IF MAYBE WE COULD HAVE SOME TYPE OF BROCHURE WITH THE SCHEDULING. RIGHT. AND THAT WAY THEY WOULD BE THAT'D BE ANOTHER WAY THEY'D BE INFORMED. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF SOME PEOPLE IN OUR AREA DO NOT SUBSCRIBE TO THE LOCAL PAPER BECAUSE I THINK THEY GET IT ON THE. INTERNET? YEAH. WELL, YOU COULD ALSO MAKE SURE IN THE POSTER OR FLIER OR WHATEVER YOU INDICATE THERE'S A LINK THAT YOU CAN WATCH IT, RIGHT? RIGHT. WITHOUT LEAVING YOUR HOME. RIGHT. YOU KNOW WHAT? THE MEETING FOR THE MEETING THAT'S HERE, RIGHT? I THINK I THINK GETTING THE WORD OUT IS IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY LOOK GOOD ON OUR PART. SO I AGREE. SO WE'LL TRY TO KICK IT OFF AT THE FAIR WITH THE BROCHURES AND HOW. IS SEPTEMBER'S BAD FOR WHAT'S GOOD CHRISTMAS. WHAT? MAYBE YOU COULD BREAK IT UP IF YOU'RE DOING ONE. MAYBE IN OCTOBER, AUGUST, SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER AND JUST SPREAD IT. WE'LL TRY TO MAKE IT WORK. YEAH, WELL, WE CAN. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. SPREAD THEM OUT OVER THE MR DAY SAYS NOT IN HUNTING SEASON WHILE HUNTING SEASON APPARENTLY STARTED TODAY. SO LAST WEEK. LAST WEEK. SO THERE PROBABLY ISN'T A TIME THAT ISN'T HUNTING SEASON. RIGHT. BUT I'M WONDERING, DO WE HAVE ANY EXTENSION INTO THE SCHOOLS WE EVER CONSIDER GOING AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOMETHING AT SCHOOL AUDITORIUM. I MEAN, THEY, YOU KNOW, AN HOUR PRESENTATION OR SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'D BE INTERESTED IN THAT, BUT DO ALL ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS. WELL, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, PHIL SHERMAN AND REAGAN PRINCE AND I WENT TO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IN FRANKLIN AND WE TALKED TO FOUR DIFFERENT KINDERGARTEN CLASSES. THAT WAS FUN. BUT THERE MIGHT IF THEY HAVE A CAREER DAY AT THE HIGH SCHOOL. THAT MIGHT BE OR AN ENVIRONMENTAL SOMETHING DAY. I'LL CHECK AND SEE WHAT KIND OF EVENTS THEY MAY HAVE THAT WE CAN HONE IN ON. DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL ATTEND AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS? BECAUSE YOU TOLD ME HOW MANY YOU THINK USUALLY SHOW UP IN CAPE AND SO THAT WORKS FINE FOR US. IT'S A SMALL GROUP. 15 OR 20. YEAH, THAT'S PERFECT. THAT'S YEAH, RIGHT. SO BUT I MEAN, GOING TO IOWA, YOU MIGHT HAVE 50. WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT MANY. BUT NO, BECAUSE WE USED ONE OF THE SMALL, WE USED THE SMALL ROOM ON THE SIDE. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT HAS HAD A LONG TABLE AND CHAIRS ALONG ONE WALL. BUT THE TOWN COUNCIL WAS THERE AS WELL. DO YOU NEED AUDIO VISUAL EQUIPMENT SET UP? DO YOU ALL WANT TO USE THAT? I DON'T THINK WE HAVE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE EITHER. IF IT'S OPTIONAL, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED IT, JUST LET ME KNOW, OKAY? ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S CANADA PLAN. WE'LL KICK OFF AT THE FAIR. WELL, NEXT MONTH WE'LL PICK SOME DATES. YEAH, MAYBE WE'LL HAVE BETTER ATTENDANCE. PICK SOME DATES AND. IDEAS OF PLACES AND WE'LL GET SOME SUPERVISORS IN ON IT, TOO. YEAH. THINGS WILL BE SLACKED OFF BY THEN AS FAR AS BUSINESS. SO I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE, INCLUDING MYSELF, ON THE BOARD, MISS UPDIKE AND EVERYTHING THAT WERE ACTIVE IN THIS. AND SHE'LL SPREAD THIS AROUND. RIGHT. AND THIS PLAN. THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT I REACHED OUT TO MS.. ALSTON GROUP AND WALT BROWN'S GROUP AND OUTSIDE GROUPS AND FSD TO GET MORE INFORMATION. WHEN YOU LOOK AT OTHER COMMUNITIES AND THEY LIST ON THE FRONT PAGE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT HAD INPUT IN IT, IT'S A WHOLE LONG LIST. [00:55:03] SO THE MORE DISPARATE GROUPS WE CAN GET TAKING PART, THE BETTER THE PLAN IS AT THE END. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO DO FOR NEXT MEETING. PLEASE, PLEASE READ OVER THE INFORMATION, MAKE ANY NOTES. HANG ON. TO ADD OR AND THEN THINK ABOUT THE INTRO TO THE PLAN. IF YOU HAVE ANY PUBLIC HEARINGS COMING UP. I DON'T HAVE ANY APPLICATIONS. NO. I WONDER IF REVEREND LUCAS, IF WE COULD USE HIS CHURCH. HIS WAS MEMBERS SEVERAL YEARS AGO. THE CHURCH THAT WAS STRUCK BY LIGHTNING, THAT'S REVEREND LUCAS'S CHURCH. SO THEY HAVE A BRAND NEW BUILDING OUT THERE DOWN NEAR LITTLE TEXAS. WOW. I THINK THAT WAS HIS CHURCH. I REMEMBER THAT. I REMEMBER THAT FIRE. SO THEY MIGHT HAVE A COMMUNITY ROOM THAT CAN BE USED THAT WOULD PUT IT IN ANOTHER PART OF THE CAMPUS. ANOTHER PART OF THE COUNTY. YEAH. LITTLE TEXAS. WAY DOWN. LITTLE TEXAS. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? WE'RE GOING TO. WE DON'T HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS. I DON'T THINK. ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING TO BRING FORWARD? BUT THIS HAS GOT TO BE A NEW RECORD FOR US. THIS IS GREAT THAT WE'RE RUSHING. WE'RE NOT RUSHING. WE JUST WE'VE JUST BEEN VERY PUNGENT TONIGHT. I WANTED TO BRING UP SOMETHING HERE. WE HAD TO LOOK AT THE OUR ATTENDANCE HERE. I THINK WE CAN DO BETTER. THE BOARD'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONLY ONE NIGHT A WEEK. ONE NIGHT A MONTH. EXCUSE ME. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF US HERE THAT MISS THREE MONTHS. SEE THE BOX IF YOU WANT TO SEE YOUR NAME. I THINK WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO IS SET AN EXAMPLE AND DO BETTER. IT'S GOOD. MAKE IT A PRIORITY. YEAH. YOU MIGHT WANT TO HAND THIS OUT TO EVERYBODY. YOU MIGHT WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT TONIGHT. YOUR GRADES AT THE TOP OF THE DEPARTMENT REAL QUICK. ANYTHING ELSE? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION THAT WE. ADJOURN. SO MOVED. FANTASTIC. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. JOHNSON. YOU HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT, MISS ALSTON. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. AND Y'ALL HAVE A SAFE TRIP HOME. NIGHT, MR. MANN. THANK YOU. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.