>> I'D LIKE TO CALL THE FEBRUARY MEETING OF THE COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER. [I. CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL] [00:00:10] MY NAME IS MICHAEL DRAKE, FOR THE ONES THAT MIGHT NOT KNOW AND I KNOW TONIGHT WE'RE LIVE STREAMING SO FOR OUR AUDIENCES, I INTRODUCE MYSELF. I'M GOING TO ASK YOU THIS TIME AS WE GET STARTED, IF WE WILL ALL STAND AS WE RECITE OUR. I'LL ASK YOU TO REMAIN STANDING PLEASE. JUST DON'T WOULD HE HAVE A SHORT-TERM CASE REPORTS, PLEASE. >> IF YOU'D LIKE TO JOIN ME IN PRAYER PLEASE DO. DEAR FATHER LORD, WE JUST THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE STRENGTH AND ENERGY YOU'VE GIVEN US TO BE ABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT. LORD, I THANK YOU FOR THIS COUNTY. I THANK YOU FOR OUR STATE AND OUR NATION. WE JUST ASK THAT YOU BE WITH US TONIGHT, GUIDE US IN OUR DECISIONS, OUR THOUGHTS, OUR ACTIONS, AND OUR WORDS. LORD HELP US GIVE YOU MORE PRAISE AND MORE HONOR AND MORE GLORY FOR THE THINGS THAT YOU WERE DOING. I THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING IN CONTROL. LORD HELP ME RESPOND IN A MANNER THAT POINTS OUT OF THIS TO YOU. LORD I PRAY THESE THINGS IN YOUR PRECIOUS SON JESUS NAME. AMEN. >> YOU MAYBE SEATED [NOISE] [BACKGROUND] AGAIN, WE EXTEND OUR WELCOME TO THOSE IN-ATTENDANCE TONIGHT AND CERTAINLY I APPRECIATE ALL THAT BOARDROOM IS BEING HERE TONIGHT. WHAT A NICE TO HAVE 100% IN ATTENDANCE AND WE USED TO DO BUT I KNOW YOU HAD TO PUT FOR A LOT OF EFFORT TO BE HERE AND THANK YOU ALL HERE TONIGHT. ALL RIGHT, WE'LL JUMP RIGHT INTO THE AGENDA. I SEE EVERYBODY HAS THEIR PACKAGE [INAUDIBLE]. [II. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] HOPE YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO READ THE MINUTES FROM LAST MEETING. I READ THROUGH THEM. I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING ADDED TO ORDINARY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS? IF NOT I'LL PRESENT A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE AS PRESENTED. >> MOTION APPROVES. >> I HAVE A PROPER MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED. DO I HEAR A SECOND? >> I SECOND. >> ANOTHER SECOND. IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED SAY, AYE. THE LIKES IN OPPOSE LIKE SON IT IS UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU MS. BEGG FOR THE GREAT JOB. I COME ON THREE OF OUR AGENDAS TO PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. I'M GOING TO ASK. SHERIFF, YOU GOT ANYTHING YOU WANT TO COME BEFORE US TONIGHT? [LAUGHTER] >> I DON'T BELIEVE I DO THIS NIGHT. >> I BET THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW. I'VE GOT TO OPEN AND CLOSE AS I'M OPEN TO PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. [NOISE] NOBODY IS GOING TO COME FORWARD. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. [NOISE] ITEM NUMBER 4 UNFINISHED BUSINESS AND THIS WHERE MOST OF [IV. UNFINISHED BUSINESS] OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT AS WE CONTINUE TO GO THROUGH THE UPDATES AND DISCUSSION OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE HAVE THREE OTHER CHAPTERS WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS TONIGHT. THE EDUCATION CHAPTER, ENVIRONMENTAL, RESOURCES CHAPTER AND THE LAND USE CHAPTER. I'M GOING TO ASK MS. LEWIS IF YOU'LL TAKE US ON THE EDUCATION CHAPTER FIRST, PLEASE. >> ON THE EDUCATION CHAPTER LAST MONTH, YOU REMEMBER IT WAS DISCUSSED THAT SECTION ABOUT THE USE OF THE FUNDS AT THE SCHOOL BOARD. >> CORRECT. >> BE AMENDED OR DROPPED OR WHATEVER. YOU CAN SEE UNDER PANDEMICS STRATEGIES, I STRUCK THROUGH ALL OF THAT AND JUST WROTE A PARAGRAPH THAT SUMMARIZES IT. ON THE SECOND TO LAST PAGE AND AFTER I WROTE THAT AND THEN MET WITH A SUPERVISOR GILLETTE, AND HE SAID THAT SEEMS SUITABLE TO HIM. [00:05:03] >> THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT AT LAST MEETING. [NOISE] DOES THAT SET THOSE PARAMETERS THAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR? [INAUDIBLE] I KNOW YOU HAD A QUESTION LAST MEETING, IS THAT INCLUSIVE? CAN THAT TAKE CARE OF THAT ISSUE WAS DISCUSSING? >> I THINK SO. >> THAT'S WHAT I DETERMINED AS WELL. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? WE JUST DELETING ITEMS AND TO PAY BUT PANDEMIC STRATEGIES, WE'RE JUST GOING TO DELETE THOSE PARAGRAPHS. >> AND JUST PUT IN A SUMMARY. >> PUT IN A SUMMARY AND COME BACK. >> ANY DISCUSSION? ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. LEWIS? >> THE ONLY THING I SAW, I GUESS CLOSE TO THAT PAGE, JUST IN THAT BOLD PARAGRAPH RIGHT ABOVE THE CONCLUSION. JUST A TYPO THAT COVID 119. >> THANK YOU. >> AND I KEEP ASKING THAT QUESTION. >> YES, SIR. GET ON MR. JASON. >> I THINK I WANT TO GO BY THE FOURTH PAGE WHERE IT'S GOT A TABLE THAT STARTS WITH HOMESCHOOL STUDENTS. >> IS IT THE FOURTH FROM THE BEGINNING, IS THAT RIGHT? >> YEAH. >> THAT'S FINE. I GET IT RIGHT. >> TOP OF THE PAGE HAS GOT HOMESCHOOL STUDENTS. WHEN IT'S DONE AT THE FAR RIGHT-HAND SIDE, THE INCREASE COLUMN, THAT'S GOT AN INCREASE OF 80 AND DECREASE OF 200. WHAT IS THAT AN INCREASE AND DECREASE FROM? IT'S NOT FROM YEAR TO YEAR BECAUSE IF IT WAS YEAR TO YEAR IT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT NUMBER. >> IT IS FOR ALL COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS IS BETWEEN THE 2017 YEAR AND THE 2021 YEAR, THAT WAS A DECREASE OF 200 STUDENTS. >> OKAY. >> AND 2017-2021, THERE WAS AN INCREASE OF 80 HOMESCHOOL STUDENTS. >> VERY GOOD. GLANCING AT A TABLE I DIDN'T LOOK AT IT ENOUGH. >> MEASURES THAT DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION USES FIVE-YEAR PERIODS FOR THEIR INFORMATION. >> ON THAT SAME PAGE IN GRADUATION SECTION, IT TALKS ABOUT SPECIAL ED STUDENTS AND ENGLISH LEARNER STUDENTS. I GUESS I JUST THINK ABOUT IT. SOMETIMES A CLEVER WAY TO CHANGE STATISTICS IS RECLASSIFYING PEOPLE AND I GUESS I WAS JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHAT AN ENGLISH LEARNER WOULD BE. >> THAT WOULD BE A PERSON WHO IS INVOLVED IN THAT. ENGLISH AS A SECOND LANGUAGE. >> OKAY. >> OR ENGLISH FOR SPEAKERS OF OTHER LANGUAGES, WHATEVER ACRONYM THEY USE. >> THOSE STUDENTS ARE ACTUALLY BEING TAUGHT TO SPEAK ENGLISH? >> THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THEY ARE BEING TAUGHT IS TO SPEAK ENGLISH. MY MOTHER WAS AN ENGLISH AS A SECOND LANGUAGE TEACHER FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS SHE WAS A TEACHER. >> JASON IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? >> NO IT'S ALL I HAVE ON THAT. >> YOU HAVE AN EAGLE EYE MY FRIEND WE NEEDED THAT DESCRIPTION. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? >> I GOT ONE QUESTION. >> GO AHEAD, MS. HALL. >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT THE FULL PLAN THAT WAS AS PART OF THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS IS A SEPARATE DOCUMENT THAT CAN BE ACCESSED THROUGH THIS WEBSITE BUT IT IS REMOVED FROM OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT IS STRICTLY THROUGH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM NOW. THAT'S WHAT THIS PARAGRAPH DOES. >> OF COURSE IS JUST LOOKING AT OUR WORLD TODAY. MENTAL HEALTH REALLY LOOKS LIKE IT'S ON THE FOREFRONT. LOT OF ISSUES THERE MAYBE BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC OR WHATEVER. I'M CURIOUS WHAT THEY'RE DOING WELL WITH THEIR MENTAL HEALTH NEEDS. IT'S ONLY SECOND-TO-LAST PAGE. THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN, ELEMENTARY AND SECONDARY SCHOOL EMERGENCY RELIEF. I'M CURIOUS HOW THAT'S BEING HANDLED. >> THAT IS ONE OF THE CATEGORIES THAT'S LISTED. I DON T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING. THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD, BUT THAT PARAGRAPH TAKES THESE CATEGORIES AND SUMMARIZES THEM INTO ONE PARAGRAPH. [00:10:04] >> BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THEY ARE FOCUSED IN ONE. THERE'S AN AWARENESS OF IT. >> I WOULD EXPECT, YES. >> OKAY. >> DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MR. DRAKE? >> YEAH. >> IT STARTS THERE AND THESE ARE THE STRATEGIES. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >> SOME OF THE STRATEGIES AND UNFINISHED PLANS. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY? >> YES, SIR. >> IF WE MAY REVISIT PAGE 4 THAT, MR. CHESTED WAS MAKING REFERENCE TO AND DROP DOWN WHERE IT SAYS OVER THE FIVE-YEAR PERIOD ABOVE, THE POPULATION OF THE PACIFIC SCHOOL HAS CHANGED AS NOTED BELOW. [NOISE] WE LOOKED AT THE LIST OF THE SCHOOL, KEEP AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AT 1.6% GROWTH IN THE POPULATION. NOTICE THAT WHILE READING THROUGH THE ITEMS THAT WERE GOING TO BE STRICKEN OR HAVING STRICKEN THROUGH IT SAYS A BUILDING FOR PHYSICAL EDUCATION, THIS IS NEXT TO THE LAST PAGE. A BUILDING FOR PHYSICAL EDUCATION ACTIVITIES FOR CATLIN ELEMENTARY, THE ONLY COUNTY SCHOOL WITHOUT A GYMNASIUM. WAS THIS AN ITEM THAT WAS JUST STRICKEN BECAUSE IT WAS IN THE PARAGRAPH OR IS THERE A SPECIFIC REASON WHY THEY CAN'T HAVE A GYMNASIUM OR IT BE CONSIDERED? >> ALL OF THESE PANDEMIC STRATEGIES THAT ARE STRICKEN THROUGH ARE FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD'S PLAN THAT'S ONLINE AND THEY WERE STRICKEN THROUGH BECAUSE LAST MONTH, SOME PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS ASKED THAT THEY BE EXCLUDED FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THAT CATLIN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL GYMNASIUM, IF IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, IS STILL IN THE SCHOOL BOARD'S PLAN. ALL THIS DOES IS REMOVE THAT WHOLE SECTION ALTOGETHER. >> IT IS STILL A DOCUMENT. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT, THIS ONE. IT'S PART OF THE SCHOOL BOARD PLAN. >> THANK YOU. >> I LIKE THE REVOLUTIONS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> IS IT ADDRESSED IN THERE ANYWAY, WHY WE'RE LOSING STUDENTS IN ALL THOSE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS? >> COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES NOT ADDRESS WHY WE'RE LOSING STUDENTS, NO. THAT MAY BE AN INTERESTING QUESTION FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD AND IT MAY BE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE INCREASE IN HOMESCHOOLING, THAT MAY BE PART OF IT. IT MAY BE PART OF THAT SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY'S POPULATION IS AGING, SO WE'RE AGING OUT OF THE AGE GROUP THAT CREATES THE PEOPLE THAT FILL ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS. >> VARIOUS REASONS. >> JUST SPEAKING OF THE LOCAL CHURCH IN THAT TOWN, THERE SEEMS TO BE A GAP IN ELEMENTARY GROUP BUT THEN I SEE, I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A GROWTH. ANYBODY WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT? YOU ALL NOTICE ALTHOUGH CHURCHES, SOMETHING ELSE CHILDREN ATTEND. BUT I'VE NOTICED, LIKE I SAID, IN MY CHURCH, WE COMBINE CLASSES BECAUSE THERE IS NOT ENOUGH PUPILS TO HAVE THE DIFFERENT CLASSES. BUT THEN ON THE YOUNGER SIDE OF PRE-SCHOOL SEEMS TO BE A LOT SMALLER CHILDREN COMING ALONG. I DON'T KNOW. WILL YOU ALL AGREE WITH THAT? WEBB KNOWS THAT. >> WE SEE THAT AT OUR CHURCH ALSO. >> YOU HAD TO THINK ABOUT ANOTHER REALM WHERE CHILDREN ARE GATHERING OTHER THAN THE SCHOOL ITSELF. I THINK YOU'LL SEE THAT NUMBER INCREASE AS YIELDS GO FORWARD. ANYWAY ASSUMPTION THAT IT IS AWFUL PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY. [OVERLAPPING] >>KEEP IN MIND STATE FUNDING, IT GOES THERE FOR STUDENTS. >> IT'S FINE. I AGREE. >> OF COURSE, THIS WAS THE PREVIOUS FIVE YEARS, CORRECT? THIS IS WHAT THIS INFORMATION IS COMPILED FROM, NOT THE FUTURE. [00:15:03] >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> OKAY. >> YEAH. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >> ON THE NEXT PAGE, THE DUAL ENROLLMENT, YOU SEE THAT'S INCREASED? I LIKE TO ALWAYS PUT IN A PLUG FOR THE CAMP. I TELL YOU WHAT, OTHER INSTITUTIONS ARE GOD SENT TO STUDENTS. DUAL ENROLLMENT CLASSES TRANSFER TO JUST ABOUT ANY PLACE IN THE WORLD. THEY ARE TOUGH TOO BECAUSE I TOOK A COUPLE OBVIOUSLY. THEY'RE NOT EASY. >> ANYTHING ELSE? >> THERE WAS ONE THING ON HERE. I THINK AS EVERYBODY WHERE THEY DROPPED THE HONORS PROGRAM THIS YEAR, I'M WONDERING THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PROGRAM IF YOU'RE GOING ON PAST HIGH SCHOOL AND IF MAYBE WE COULD PUT SOMETHING IN THERE. WE WERE PUSHING THE BOAT TECH CENTER FOR OBVIOUS REASONS, BUT WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT HONORS PROGRAM COME BACK. >> I AGREE. >> WELL, WE CAN CERTAINLY ADD THAT IN THE IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES. THERE'S LETTER H AND THE IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES IS SUPPORT PROGRAMS AND INITIATIVES TO EXPAND AND ENHANCE LOCAL POST-SECONDARY COLLEGE AND CAREER READINESS EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES. ADDING HONORS PROGRAM IN THE HIGH SCHOOLS. >> IS THAT AGREEABLE TO EVERYONE? TO HAVE IT ADDED AS THE BACK PAGE UNDER H. >> YEAH. >> THAT HELPS TOO. YOU KNOW THE GRADE POINT AVERAGE FOR THE HONORS PROGRAM, YOU GET I BELIEVE ABOUT 4.2. IF YOU GET AN A INSTEAD OF A REGULAR FOUR AND FOR THE DUAL CREDIT, YOU CAN GET A CREDIT OF FIVE. I THINK THE OTHER ADVANCED COURSE, I THINK 4.5, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. ANYWAY, GET YOUR CHANCE TO BUILD UP YOUR GRADE POINT AVERAGE AND HELP YOU GET INTO COLLEGE YOU WANT. ALSO, IT COSTS MONEY TO GO TO PD CAMP. SOME OF THOSE STUDENTS DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT AND I THINK THE HONORS COURSES WILL GIVE THEM A WAY OUT TO TRY TO MAKE UP THAT DEFICIT. >> WE'RE GOING TO ADD THE HONORS PROGRAM AND THE DUAL CREDIT, IS THAT CORRECT? > >WELL, THE DUAL CREDIT IS ALREADY THERE. >> DUAL CREDIT IS ALREADY IN THERE. THAT'S A DUAL ENROLLMENT WE GOT RIGHT THERE. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. >> WE CAN ADD SUPPORT THE HONORS PROGRAMS. >> ANYTHING ELSE? NOW, AND I THINK YOU MADE THE NECESSARY CORRECTIONS THERE OR AMENDMENTS AND WE STILL HAVE A CHANCE TO COME BACK AND VIEW THIS AGAIN. BUT AS WE GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE CHAPTERS [INAUDIBLE] WE GO FORWARD. WELL, MS. LEWIS, WE WILL NOW VIEW THE ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCES CHAPTER. >> THAT'S ONE YOU HAVEN'T SEEN BEFORE. THAT ONE'S FULL OF LOTS OF MAPS AND CHARTS AND THESE TWO MAPS THAT WERE AT YOUR PLACE WERE NOT COMPLETE IN TIME TO GO OUT WITH YOUR PACKAGE. BUT THEY ARE ONES THAT BELONG IN THIS CHAPTER AS WELL. THE IMPAIRED WATERWAYS AND THE NATIONAL WETLANDS INVENTORY. WE'RE STILL WORKING TOGETHER, ON PAGE 7-18, A NEW NATURAL HERITAGE RESOURCES MAP. THE COMPANY THAT DOES GIS IS WORKING TO CREATE THAT WITH UPDATED INFORMATION BUT THIS INCLUDES INFORMATION FROM THAT ADOPTED HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED IN 2022 AND INCLUDES THE MOST RECENT INFORMATION. IT INCLUDES THE MAPS OF FARMLAND OF STATEWIDE IMPORTANCE AND PRIME FARMLAND AND PRIME FARMLAND IS DRAINED. [00:20:03] IT TELL US WHAT SOILS MAKE UP THOSE VARIOUS CATEGORIES SINCE THAT'S IMPORTANT TO US HERE IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY PROTECTING THOSE SOILS. >> I GUESS IT'S PRETTY MUCH IMPOSSIBLE TO GET TO AGROFORESTRY DISTRICTS IN A MONTH. WILL THAT BE EVEN NECESSARY? >> WELL, THERE'S A MAP OF IT. >> YOU HAVE A LARGER MAP AT THE OFFICE. >> I MEAN, IT COULD TAKE UP A PAGE. THEY'RE ALL NOTED IN DIFFERENT COLORS, SO IT'S EASY TO TELL WHERE THEY ARE AND HOW MUCH, AND YOU CERTAINLY CAN'T TELL AT A PAGE SIZE THE ROADS THAT ARE, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE COVERAGE. >> DO YOU THINK THAT WILL BE HELPFUL? >> IF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE THAT, WE CAN CERTAINLY PUT THAT IN. THAT MIGHT BE IN THE AGRICULTURE CHAPTER. IF IT'S NOT IN THE AGRICULTURE CHAPTER, MAYBE THAT'S WHERE IT BELONGS. >> OKAY. I'LL FILL ON THAT YOU LATER. IF IT'S POSSIBLE IT WILL BE FOR A SMALL PRINT. >> PUT A NOTE TO SEE AGRICULTURE CHAPTER. >> I HAD A QUESTION FOR PAGE 7-19 WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT THE HAMPTON ROADS CONSERVATION CORRIDOR STUDY AND POSSIBLY EXPANDING THIS NETWORK TO INCLUDE PRIME AGRICULTURE AND FORESTED LANDS, AND PARKS IN ORDER TO HELP WITH THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY PLANNING GOALS. CAN YOU EXPAND ON THAT CHART A LITTLE BIT? >> WHAT NUMBER WAS THAT? WHAT LETTER? >> IT'S PAGE 7-19 IS AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE AND IT JUST TALKS ABOUT NETWORK EXPANSION AND POSSIBLY HOW THAT WOULD HELP WITH OUR PLANNING GOALS. I JUST WANTED A LITTLE MORE THOUGHT ON THAT. >> THE HAMPTON ROADS CONSERVATION CORRIDOR STUDY. >> THE LAST SENTENCE IS, IT COULD BE EXPANDED TO INCLUDE PRIME AGRICULTURAL AND FORESTED LANDS AND PARKS IN ORDER TO HELP BEAT SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. >> THAT WOULD BE COORDINATING WITH THE HAMPTON ROADS PLANNING DISTRICT COMMISSION AND ASKING THAT BODY OR THAT SUBGROUP OF THAT BODY TO CONSIDER ADDING THE PRIME AGRICULTURAL LAND TO THEIR NETWORK. >> IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE FEASIBLE OR EASILY DONE? >> I CAN SPEAK TO THEM. >> BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME IT'S ANOTHER PROTECTION ON OUR FOREST AND OUR FARMLAND SINCE THAT'S AN ISSUE WITH WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT SOLAR. THIS IS ANOTHER LEVEL, ANOTHER LAYER OF PROTECTION. >> RIGHT. >> SURE, I'LL CHECK INTO THAT. >> [INAUDIBLE] SOUNDS GOOD. I'M GOING TO ASK YOU IF EVERYONE WOULD TURN IT OVER TO PAGE 7-20 FOR THE NEXT PAGE AND THIS MAY BE FINE, I JUST PUT A QUESTION MARK WHEN I WAS READING THROUGH IT. I THINK AT THE VERY TOP OF THE PAGE I DON'T WANT TO BE CONTRADICTORY TO ONE OF OUR CONCERNS ABOUT, ESPECIALLY THE SOLE LOT EXPANSION TAKEN UP SO MUCH INTO OPEN SPACE AND FARM LAND. BUT THEN AGAIN, WHEN YOU READ THE FIRST ONE, NUMBER P, TO ENCOURAGE OPPORTUNITIES FOR ALTERNATIVE AND RENEWABLE ENERGY SOURCES FOR COUNTY PROPERTIES. WOULD THAT BE SCHOOL BUILDINGS AND THE COURTHOUSE AND OTHER [INAUDIBLE] [NOISE] A VERY SUPPORTIVE OF IT AND THEN WE'VE MENTIONED PRIVATE PROPERTY. NOW, WHAT DO WE MEAN BY PRIVATE PROPERTY? >> IF SOMEBODY OPENS A FACTORY OR AN OFFICE. >> OKAY. I THINK WE'D BE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT BECAUSE I LIKE THAT. YOU PUT INTO IT IN THE MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND IT WILL BE MULTIPLE APARTMENTS OR WHATEVER. [00:25:02] TODAY WOULD HAVE [INAUDIBLE]. NECESSARY, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT LAST SEVERAL YEARS AND WERE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF IT. THEN NUMBER LETTER Q ENCOURAGED THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND BOARD SUPERVISORS TO WORK TOGETHER IN DECIDING OF UTILITY SCALE SOLAR DEVELOPMENT TO PROVIDE ELECTRICITY THROUGH RENEWABLE SOURCE WHILE PROTECTING THE MOST PRODUCTIVE PARLIAMENT FORESTED LAND. I MEAN, IF WE FOLLOW THE LATEST PRONATE, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SOMEBODY TO TRY TO USE THAT CLAUSE AGAINST US. SO FAR AS WORKING TOGETHER TO FIND OUT A PLACE FORWARD AS LONG AS THE TWO BOARDS CONTINUED TO BE REMINDED THAT WE ARE TRYING TO PROTECT THE MOST VALUABLE FARM FORCE AND LAND. SOMETIMES TO ME, YOU CAN READ IT BOTH WAYS. >> WHY DO WE NEED THAT PROVISION? >> [INAUDIBLE] >> WHY DO WE NEED THAT PROVISION IN THERE? >> WELL, TO ME, IT'S DOUBLE-FACED. WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST? WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHT MR. RANDALL? >> YOU CAN SAY ADD AN AGREEMENT WITH OUR SOLAR ORDINANCE. >> TAG THAT SENTENCE WITH [OVERLAPPING]. >> BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO WORK TOGETHER REGARDING OUR SOLAR ORDINANCE PERIOD, THE END, AND DELETE THE REST. >> ALMOST [OVERLAPPING] THERE. >> TO WORK TOGETHER REGARDING IMPLEMENTATION OF THE COUNTIES ADOPTED UTILITY-SCALE SOLAR WOULDN'T. >> I'D SAY IN PROTECTIVE FARM AND FOREST LAND IN AGREEMENT WITH OUR PREVIOUSLY ESTABLISHED SOLAR ORDINANCE. >> CONSISTENT WITH COUNTY CODE. THAT'S THE END OF IT. >> JUST ASIDE, I GAVE YOU A WHOLE NEW SIDE. MY CONTACTS IN ROCKINGHAM COUNTY OUR ORDINANCES HIT ROCKINGHAM COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO TURN DOWN THE LAST THREE SOLAR FARM REQUESTS. >> I KNOW YOU HAD A QUESTION. I GOING TO MISS AUSTIN NEXT. [OVERLAPPING]. >> WELL, I MEAN, I'VE SHARED MY OPINION ON THIS. ARE WE SQUARE WITH THAT? >> I'VE FOLDED. MS. AUSTIN, YOU HAVE A COMMENT? >> NO, I DIDN'T. >> OKAY, MA'AM. >> WHAT IS THE CONSENSUS AND HOW DO WE WANT TO INVERT IT? >> IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE ORDINANCE IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING? >> IN AGREEMENT WITH OUR SUPPORT OF OUR STANDING ORDINANCE. >> HOW ABOUT ADOPTED SOLAR ORDINANCE? >> IN AGREEMENT WITH OUR. >> IN SUPPORT OF. >> IN ACCORDANCE WITH WOULD PROBABLY BE A LITTLE BETTER. >> SAY THAT AGAIN. >> IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR ADOPTED SOLAR ORDINANCE. >> ENCOURAGE PLANNING COMMISSION AND BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO WORK TOGETHER AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH. >> I THINK THAT WAS SAYING AT SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. >> IT'S NOT LIKE YOU DID MISS THAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY. >> YES. >> THANK YOU. >> LET ME BACK UP TO P [OVERLAPPING] WHERE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PRIVATE, SHOULD WE PUT A PARENTHESIS TO DEFINE THAT THIS BUSINESS SIDE, SO INDUSTRIAL SITES? > WELL, MAYBE YOU WANT TO SAY ENCOURAGE ON-SITE OPPORTUNITIES. WOULD THAT SOLVE YOUR? >> NO ONE IS ON-SITE LIKE WHETHER SO ROOFTOP ON THE RESIDENTIAL OR ROOFTOP ON A BUILDING. >> THE YARD OF AN OFFICE BUILDING OR A FACTORY. >> BECAUSE PRIVATE PROPERTY, SOMEBODY COULD TAKE THAT AND SAY, WELL, IS AN ACRE FARM IS PRIVATE PROPERTY. >> BUT NONE OF THIS OVERRULES YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE. >> I AGREE. >> BUT YOU WANT TO SAY ENCOURAGE OPPORTUNITIES FOR ALTERNATIVE AND RENEWABLE ENERGY SOURCES ON-SITE? >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE ALL RIGHT. >> I THINK THAT WOULD BRING A LITTLE CLARITY. DEPENDING ON HOW YOU ARE GOING TO APPROACH IT, I THINK HE GOT ARGUABLY EITHER WAY, BUT I THINK THAT'LL BE SUFFICIENT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? [00:30:04] >> ON THAT PAGE. >> I DO HAVE ONE. [LAUGHTER]. [OVERLAPPING]. >> LET'S LIST THE MISSILE. >> SINCE WE ARE GOING THROUGH THESE THE ALPHABET, I JUST JUMPED DOWN TO R WITH THE EV CHARGING STATIONS. IT TALKS ABOUT NEW RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS, BUT THERE'S NO REFERENCE TO EXISTING PROPERTIES BEGINNING TO ADAPT OR INCLUDE EV CHARGING STATIONS ON PROPERTY THAT THE BUILDINGS AND PARKING LOTS, AND PLACES THAT ARE ALREADY IN EXISTENCE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT. >> WELL IT SAYS IN NEW RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS AS WELL AS COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENTS. >> OKAY FROM EXISTING. >> I'M JUST GOING TO SUGGEST, COULD WE JUST TAKE OUT THE WORD NEW? WOULD THAT COVER EVERYTHING? >> YEAH. I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. IT JUST FLAGGED NEWS TO ME INSTEAD OF [OVERLAPPING] UPGRADING. >> DO YOU WANT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO ENCOURAGE INSTALLATION OF ELECTRIC CHARGING FACILITIES IN EXISTING SUBDIVISIONS? >> I'M GOING TO SAY NOT ENCOURAGING SUBDIVISIONS PERIOD BECAUSE THERE WAS AN ARTICLE I WAS READING RECENTLY THAT TALKING ABOUT THE ELECTRIC CARS. I THINK THAT SOME FIRE DEPARTMENTS SAYING THAT IT IS THE HARDEST FIRE TO PUT OUT, IT CONCERNS A LOT OF TIME, A LOT OF EFFORT, A LOT OF LABOR, AND YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE THE DEGREE THAT YOU GO AND WORK BACK FROM THESE BATTERY STATIONS. YOU KEEP THOSE BATTERY STATIONS IN A COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL SITE AND NOT TUCKED INTO A RESIDENTIAL AREA. NOW, IF IT'S SMALL-SCALE ENOUGH FOR JUST THE HOUSE THAT'S DIFFERENT, BUT I'M GETTING THE IMPRESSION THAT SOMEBODY COULD SAY, WELL, WE GOT 50 HOUSES HERE, WE NEED TO BUILD ONE OF THESE FACILITIES RIGHT CLOSE TO THIS HOUSE. >> I THINK IF I LIVED THERE, I WOULDN'T WANT IT THERE. >> WELL, I'M SEEING MORE AND MORE OF THESE ELECTRIC CARS CATCHING ON FIRE, AND I'VE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE FIRST ELECTRIC BUS WE HAD TO CATCH ON FIRE. I DON'T KNOW. IF A CAR IS HARD TO PUT OUT, YOU KNOW A BUS IS GOING TO BE EXTREMELY HARD. >> I BELIEVE PEOPLE WHO ARE BUYING CARS HAVE TO HAVE THE CHARGING STATION [OVERLAPPING] IN THEIR HOME. THERE MIGHT NOT BE A NEED TO ACTUALLY HAVE A PUBLIC SPACE OTHER THAN MAYBE ON A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. >> UNLESS IT WAS A MULTI-FAMILY PROPERTY. >> MULTI-FAMILY, LIKE APARTMENT COMPLEX. >> OR TOWN HOMES. >> OR TOWN HOMES, CONDOMINIUMS. >> OR YOU THINK OF A NEIGHBORHOOD OF THIS SCALE LIKE THE VILLAGE AT WOODS EDGE. >> RIGHT. >> IF YOU'D LIKE TO LEAVE THAT OUT, WE CERTAINLY CAN. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL KNOW THIS, BUT THE POST OFFICE FOR ABOUT THE PAST 10 YEARS HAS REQUIRED WHEN SOMEBODY BUILDS A NEW SUBDIVISION WITH A NUMBER OF HOUSES, EACH ONE CAN'T HAVE THEIR OWN MAILBOX ANYMORE. THEY ALL HAVE TO HAVE GANG MAILBOXES AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE SUBDIVISIONS. THERE NEEDS TO BE A SEMI-PUBLIC GATHERING SPOT AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE SUBDIVISION FOR THESE GANG MAILBOXES NOW AND YOU WONDER IF A CHARGING STATION THERE MAY MAKE SENSE. >> THERE'S A LOT TO PONDER ON THIS BECAUSE [OVERLAPPING] >> IT WOULD JUST TAKE SOME REGULATION TOO BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SOME SUBDIVISIONS, EXISTING ONES, THAT IS ONE WAY IN ONE WAY OUT. WE TRY NOT TO DO THAT IN THE FUTURE. I'M NOT SURE IF WE'VE GOT IN IN THIS COUNTY, BUT I KNOW WHERE THERE ARE SOME. >> MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT. [LAUGHTER] IT'S GOING FORWARD. IT'S NOT SOMETHING, I THINK, IMMEDIATE, BUT AS WE DO FUTURE PLANNING. >> I'M HEARING ALL THE COMMENTS. BUT IF YOU LIVED IN A SUBDIVISION AND YOU WANT TO HAVE AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE, DON'T YOU NEED TO CHARGE IT WHEN YOU COME IN FOR WORK BEFORE YOU GO OUT THE NEXT MORNING OR ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU CHARGE IT AT WORK? >> YOU DO IT AT HOME. [OVERLAPPING] [00:35:01] >> MOST DO IT AT HOME. >> I'M NOT REALLY FAMILIAR, IS IT A 110 CURRENT OR 220 OR 110? >> TWO HUNDRED AND TWENTY. >> TWO HUNDRED AND TWENTY. THAT'S 50 OUNCE, I THINK. >> OH, IT'S 50 OUNCE. >> EACH HOOKUP OR WHATEVER. >> I CAN SEE RESIDENTIAL IS GOING TO HAVE A PLACE FOR THEM. I'M THINKING OF A CHARGING STATION, THAT IS MULTIPLE CARS. YOU'VE GOT EIGHT, OR 10, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I DON'T KNOW. THERE'S LOT OF GRAY AREA THERE. >> YES, THERE'S LOT OF GRAY AREA. I THINK WHAT MS. LEWIS HIT ON IT, I THINK IT'S MORE FOR MULTIFAMILY DWELLINGS, WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE THAT SERVICE DROPPED TO THAT SPECIFIC THING, YOU'RE LIMITED TO WHAT YOU GET FOR YOUR UNIT AND THAT'S IT, SO THESE COMMON AREAS WHERE YOU CAN PLUG YOUR CAR UP, MIGHT BE. BUT IF IT'S A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE IT AT YOUR HOUSE. >> MS. LEWIS, WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, IS THAT NEW SUBDIVISION WOULD HAVE A PLACE DESIGNATED. >> OR APARTMENT COMPLEX OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> DESIGNATION, OKAY. >> IS THAT THE FORWARD THINKING AND PLANNING BECAUSE YOU'RE AN EXPERT. >> YES. AS THE TECHNOLOGY IMPROVES, THE CAR'S CHARGE UP MUCH FASTER. EVEN JUST A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WHEN YOU GOT HOME FROM WORK, YOU EITHER PLUG YOUR CAR IN AND HAVE IT TO CHARGE UP OVERNIGHT. NOW, THERE ARE SOME THAT CHARGE UP IN A COUPLE OF HOURS AND SOME THAT YOU CAN GET ENOUGH OF A CHARGE IN 15, 20 MINUTES TO GET WHERE YOU NEED TO GO. I WAS EXPECTING IN PRETTY NEAR FUTURE, IT'S NOT GOING TO TAKE MUCH LONGER TO CHARGE UP YOUR CAR THAN IT DOES TO CHARGE UP YOUR PHONE. >> THAT BEING SAID, WHAT DO YOU THINK, MAYBE WE SHOULD LEAVE LIKE IT IS IF IT'S GOING TO BE A NEW SUBDIVISION THAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE PLAN? >> DOESN'T SAY, "REQUIRE," IT JUST SAYS, "INCURRED." >> INCURRED. >> I GUESS THE KEYWORD THERE IS PROVISIONS. [OVERLAPPING] >> ALL OF THOSE THINGS WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH PERMITTING AND EVERYTHING ELSE THROUGH YOUR OFFICE. >> WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR THOSE INSTALLATION AND THE ELECTRICITY? >> THE BUILDER. >> THE BUILD? >> THE BUILDER. >> CAR BUILDER. THEN IT WOULD BE WHOEVER PAYS FOR THE COMMON AREAS IN THE SUBDIVISION. IT'LL HAVE TO BE THE, MAILBOXES, THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE PAID FOR. >> THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE ELECTRIC CARS, DO THEY STILL HAVE TO PAY? [LAUGHTER] >> THAT'S WHY I THINK, MAYBE PARKING UP THE WRONG TREE HERE TO BEGIN WITH, SEE WHAT IT IS. IF IT'S GOT TO PAY, THERE ARE GOOD PEOPLE, THE INDUSTRY WILL PROVIDE THAT. I THINK IF YOU PUT THAT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE ELECTRIC CARS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A PROBLEMATIC THING. >> THEN IT HAD TO BE CODED SOME KIND OF WAY. I GUESS THEY'LL KNOW WHO HAS A CAR. YOU GOT TO PREVENT THE ICE SOLID FROM GOING AHEAD AND PLUG IT UP, I GUESS. [OVERLAPPING] >> WHY, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO REALIZE THAT [OVERLAPPING]. >> CREDIT CARD IS FINE >> A CREDIT CARD, SO KIND OF AN ID CARD. >> THAT NOT EVERY PLACE IS SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY IN 2023. [LAUGHTER] I THINK THAT WE MAKE A PLAN FOR OUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN, AND NOT FOR NEXT WEEK. >> EXACTLY. >> THAT BEING SAID, MAYBE WE SHOULD WOULD LEAVE IT LIKE IT IS. [OVERLAPPING] >> JUST LEAVE IT AND SEE WHAT IS, AS YOU RUN INTO THINGS FROM OTHER LOCALES, BRING THAT BACK SO WE KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S 2030, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A BIG PUSH FOR ELECTRIC CARS. >> I WILL TELL YOU IN THE 13-AND-A-HALF YEARS I'VE BEEN WITH SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, THERE'S NOT BEEN ONE NEW SUBDIVISION. I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT [LAUGHTER] WE NEED TO SOLVE TONIGHT. >> I DON'T THINK IT'S A [OVERLAPPING] >> THEY DO ELECTRIC TRACTORS, IS THERE ANY? >> THEY DO. >> THE ELECTRIC TRACTORS? YEAH. >> THEY DO. >> THEY HAVE ELECTRIC SCHOOL BUSES. A NORMAL SCHOOL BUS WOULD BUY A SCHOOL A BUS WHO COST ABOUT 100,000. THOSE TWO ELECTRIC SCHOOL BUSES COST ALMOST A HALF MILLION BUCKS. >> WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE THAT ONE AS IT IS. THAT WAS ALL WRONG. WE WILL NOT MAKE THE CHANGE. [00:40:03] BUT WE HAD A GOOD DISCUSSION. WE'LL SEE WHERE IT GOES AND WHERE WE JUST ADDRESS IT LATER WHEN WE NEED TO. WE'LL LEAVE IT AS IT IS. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? >> MR. DRAKE, BEFORE, I DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT MS. JACKSON OFF. [OVERLAPPING] AS FAR AS ITEM P, WHAT WAS THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU-ALL AGREED ON? I DIDN'T WRITE THAT DOWN. >> TO ENCOURAGE OPPORTUNITIES FOR ALTERNATIVE AND RENEWABLE ENERGY SOURCES ON SITE, FOR COUNTY PROPERTIES AND PRIVATE PROPERTY. >> THANK YOU. [NOISE] >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? >> THERE'S A QUESTIONS ON THIRD PAGE IN, LAST PARAGRAPH, TALKS ABOUT THE [INAUDIBLE] IF I HAD A MEMORY LIKE MR. RANDALL OVER HERE, I WOULD KNOW THIS, BUT OF THE PERCENTAGE THAT WE USE, THE 57.27, IS THAT CONSISTENT WITH OUR ZONING ORDINANCE AND THE PERCENTAGES WHEN TALKED ABOUT FORESTRY LAND, IN THE SQUARE MILES? WHAT IS THAT? >> THE ZONING ORDINANCE SAYS THAT YOU USE WHATEVER PERCENTAGE IS WHEN YOU TURN IN YOUR APPLICATION. >> OKAY. >> TODAY, WELL, WHEN IN LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, OF THE 602.77 SQUARE MILES, 345.23 SQUARE MILES, OR 57.27% WAS FORESTED. BUT THE ORDINANCE DOESN'T HAVE NUMBERS. IT JUST SAYS, YOU USE WHATEVER IT IS. >> BUT THESE ARE SOME CURRENT NUMBERS? >> YES. >> OKAY. GOOD. THE OTHER THING, THAT I GUESS I THOUGHT ABOUT IT IN THIS PAGE, BUT ALSO ON THE OTHER PAGE 7-8, WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT WETLANDS. I MAYBE JUST HIT BEEN HERE AND STUFF, BUT IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CORE ENGINEERS HAVE COME INTO A LOT OF FARMS AND SAID, THIS HAS GOT PINE TREES ON IT, PINE TREES ARE INDIGENOUS TO WETLANDS, SO THIS FARM IS WETLANDS. IS IT A CONCERN OF THIS BODY THAT THIS COUNTY IS GOING TO BE 75% WETLANDS AND IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT THE DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL, IF 75% OF OUR COUNTY IS DEEMED TO BE WETLANDS? I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE. >> HOW CAN WE CHANGE THAT THOUGH? IS NOT THAT UP TO THE ARMY CORPS? >> YES. >> IT IS. I REALIZED THAT. [OVERLAPPING] >> I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT DOES MATTER. >> BUT THERE IS A GOVERNMENT AGENCY, BASICALLY, OUT THERE. MAYBE I'M JUST HEARING STUFF THAT'S NOT TRUE. I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE. THERE'S A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AGENCY OUT THERE THAT IS TRYING TO DEEM A LOT OF WHAT WE FEEL LIKE IT'S PRODUCTIVE FARM LAND, AGRICULTURAL LAND, AND THEY'RE DEEMING IT TO BE WETLANDS. >> ARE YOU FARMING IN WETLANDS? >> ONLY IF IT WAS FOUND BEFORE 1980, I THINK IS THE YEAR. ANYBODY, YOU REMEMBER THE YEAR, THAT IF I AIN'T CONVERTED BEFORE 1980, FARMLAND IS PERMISSIBLE, CORRECT? >> I THINK IT'S '85. >> LIKE THE DISMAL SWAMP. >> YEAH, I THINK IT WAS '85. >> '85, WHO WAS WITH THE PROGRAM? >> I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT WAS. BUT IN '85- >> SWAMP BUSTER AND SOMETHING ELSE, PROGRAMS. >> WHEN MY GRANDFATHER NEEDED ANY LANGUAGE. >> THAT'S CORRECT. BUT SINCE THAT PERIOD OF TIME, YOU HAD TO GET A, I THINK, PERMIT, THROUGH THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS. >> I THINK WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO FIND IS THAT, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO JUST SAY, THE PINE TREE IS GROWING HERE IT'S WETLAND. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME SOIL TYPES TO GO ALONG WITH IT. >> THEY'D PROBABLY DO A SOIL ANALYSIS SOME TIME. >> I KNOW WE'VE GOT SOME AREAS THAT COULD BE MARKED, IT WAS WET, AND SAID PINE TREES ARE GROWING ON IT. BUT I'VE GOT OTHER PLACES PINE TREES ARE GROWING. IT'LL BE A HARD DAY IN COURT TO SAY IT'S A WETLAND FIELDS PROBLEM. THE SOIL TYPES ARE GOING TO DICTATE THAT MORE THAN JUST WHAT'S GROWING OUT THERE. >> THEY'VE GOT A FORMULA THAT'S VERY COMPLICATED. [00:45:03] I THINK IT'S BECOME MORE AGGRESSIVE TOWARDS WETLANDS. I THINK ANY ENGINEER WOULD TELL YOU THAT INSIGHT IN PERSON, THAT IT'S GOTTEN MORE LIBERALLY INCLINED TO SAY THAT THIS IS A WETLAND. I THINK THAT'S A POLITICAL MOVEMENT PROBLEM. >> THE CLOSER YOU GET TO THE COAST [OVERLAPPING] >> THE MORE ISSUE IS THERE. >> MORE DEVELOPMENT, MORE WETLANDS. >> FOR EXAMPLE, LOOK AT THE 460 PROJECT. THEY STOPPED THAT CONSTRUCT. >> IT'S LIKE AN APPRAISER. YOU HIRE THREE APPRAISERS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THREE DIFFERENT OPINIONS. IT'S THE SAME WAY WITH WETLAND, THEY'RE TRYING TO QUANTIFY IT WITH AN ALGEBRAIC FORMULA, BUT THEY'RE STILL DISCRETION. >> VERY SUBJECTIVE. >> IN RELATING 7-10, IT TALKS ABOUT MAINTAINING A CERTIFIED FLOODPLAIN MANAGER ON STAFF. DOES THE COUNTY HAVE ONE SUCH INDIVIDUAL ITEM? >> YES. >> IS THAT YOU BETH? >> NO, IT IS NOT. [LAUGHTER] >> HOW DID YOU CHANGE YOUR HEAD. >> NOT A GOOD ONE, THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AND REAGAN PRINCE THE ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGER IS STUDYING AND TAKING HIS TESTS TO BECOME ONE AS WELL. >> VERY GOOD. >> THE LAST BULLET OF THAT SECTION TALKS ABOUT A SILVER JACKET'S PROGRAM. WHAT IS THAT? >> IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE THROUGH THE ARMY CORPS, THEY ARE MILITARY AND THEY DO THE SAME WORK AS THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS DOES, BUT THEY SEEM TO HAVE MORE MONEY AVAILABLE TO HELP WITH MITIGATION AND MAPPING ISSUES BY SOME FEDERAL AGENCY. >> I CATCH YOUR NAME. >> YEAH. I KNOW. >> ENTERTAINMENT WITH MORE [LAUGHTER] 7-12. THIS IS MORE OF JUST IN MY OPINION, WE GET CAUGHT UP IN VERBIAGE. THE MIDDLE OF THE LAST PARAGRAPH ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THERE'S A SENTENCE THAT STARTS WITH NO. NO WASTE IS GENERATED BY THE PRODUCTION OF SOLAR GENERATED ELECTRICITY. I GUESS IN THIS OTHER LANGUAGE, ABOUT NOT CONTRIBUTING TO INCREASED LEVELS OF CO_ 2, IT'S LIKE SOLAR IN THIS PARAGRAPH HAS PRESENTED AS THOUGH IT'S A MAGIC BULLET AND THERE'S NO WASTE IN ALL INVOLVED IN SOLAR. THE PRODUCTION OF THE PANELS, THERE'S NO FACTORY THAT'S MAKING THESE PANELS THAT DON'T POLLUTE THE AIR. I THINK THERE IS TRASH IN ASSOCIATING WITH SOLAR, THERE IS CARBON GENERATED. I JUST THINK TO REPRESENT THIS AS BEING SO PERFECT MAGIC BULLET, I THINK I'VE DOUBLED. >> I SEE US OR FALSE ON SOLAR GENERATE ELECTRIC MAIN PARTS, NO AIR QUALITY IMPACTS. WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT MATERIAL CAME FROM? FUSEL OIL CAME FROM MINES IN AFRICA. MINES HERE IN THIS COUNTRY. IT PAID AT PRICE, YOU'LL NEVER GET IT BACK WITH THE SOLAR THING. JUST PUT THAT IN THERE. IT'S CRAZY. >> I AGREE. >> I THOUGHT YOU'D PICK UP ON THAT. [LAUGHTER] >> AGAIN, IS THAT PARAGRAPH, IS THAT REALLY NECESSARY? >> I DON'T THINK IT IS. >> I DON'T THINK SO. >> WHILE YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS LIKE FOR LAST UNIT ABOUT YOUR PRESIDENT IS SAYING THAT ALL CONSTRUCTION WITH ANY FEDERAL MONEY ATTACHED TO THE PRODUCTS HAVE TO BE OF US ORIGIN. WELL I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE PANELS THAT IN THE NEWS AND BLOGS PROJECT CAME TO TOWN. >> MOST OF 90 PERCENT HAVE COME. >> I SAW THE CRATES. I DON'T SPEAK CHINESE. >> WHAT POLITICAL STATEMENT. >> I'M JUST NOT A MECHANICAL STAGE. [OVERLAPPING]. >> I JUST THINK THAT'S A BAD ROAD TO GO DOWN. >> TALK ABOUT THE NEXT PAGE. [OVERLAPPING] [00:50:02] >> IS IT NECESSARY? >> I WOULD SAY IT'S NOT. >> WAS THIS TAKEN FROM SOMETHING THAT SAYS THAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLIES MADE STRIDES. YADA, YADA. WAS THIS TAKEN FROM SOMETHING THAT CAME FROM RICHMOND THAT PARTICULAR PARAGRAPH? BUT IT'S MORE A DISCUSSION. IT MIGHT EVEN BE CONSIDERED AN OPINION AS OPPOSED TO FACT AFTER HEARING OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT. SO TO ME IT IS NOT REALLY NECESSARY. >> YEAH. I THINK WE OUGHT TO DELETE ALL THE OPINION. OPINION DON'T HAVE ANY PLACE IN THEORY AND OPINION. WE NEED TO TAKE THE FACTS. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THAT? >> SO WE'RE GOING TO DELETE THE WHOLE PARAGRAPH. >> THAT'S THIS DISCUSSION. I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED WE MIGHT DELETE IT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. EVERYBODY GOT AN OPINION. WHAT DO YOU THINK MR. DOMAIN, WHICH WAY YOU LEAN ON. YOU'LL CHANGE SOME LANGUAGES OR IS JUST DELETE THE PARAGRAPH? >> I'M OKAY WE DELETE THE PARAGRAPH. >> MR. DAY. >> WE'D LIKE TO DELETE IT. >> MR. JOHNSON. >> GOOD. >> YEAH. DELETE. >> SOUNDS GOOD. >> DELETE. >> MS. TUNNEL. >> YEAH DELETE IT. >> I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT VOWS, IS THAT OKAY. >> CAN WE JUST DELETE IT MS. LEWIS? >> SURE. >> WE'LL TAKE THAT OUT THEN. ANYTHING ELSE. >> NEXT PAGE, SURFACE WATER RESOURCES. I GUESS MY THOUGHT WHEN I WAS READING THIS IS ALSO DEALS WITH GROUNDWATER RESOURCES, WHICH IS ON SEVEN DAYS, 15. I DON'T KNOW THE BEST WAY TO VOICE THIS BESIDES, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY'S GROUNDWATER AQUIFERS THAT WE ARE PULLING FROM. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS PLAN INCLUDE A LITTLE BIT MORE STRONGER LANGUAGE TO TRY TO PROTECT THAT. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO IT. THE LAST PARAGRAPH ON 7-15 TALKS ABOUT THE SWIFT WATER PROJECT WHERE THERE IS AN ENTITY THAT IS INJECTING TREATED WASTEWATER INTO THE AQUIFER THAT MY WILL IS ALSO PULLING THE WATERFRONT. I DON'T LIKE THAT IDEA. IF THE LAST PARAGRAPH TALKS ABOUT THAT SWIFT WAS DISCHARGING THEIR WATERS INTO THE OCEAN. THEN THE NEXT TWO SENTENCES AFTER THAT IT TALKS ABOUT THE WASTEWATER REDUCES NUTRIENT DISCHARGES INTO THE CHESAPEAKE BAY, WHICH WERE THEY DOING WHERE THEY DISCHARGED INTO THE OCEAN DISCHARGING INTO THE BAY. BUT EITHER WAY, NOW THEY'RE INJECTED INTO THE AQUIFERS THAT COUNTY RESIDENTS ARE DRINKING, AND HAVE CLOSELY MONITORING THEY'RE DOING AND WHAT THEY ARE MONITORING FOR. THEY SING A GOOD SONG AS TO WHAT THEY'RE TESTING FOR. BUT I CAN TELL YOU THEY'RE NOT TESTING FOR EVERYTHING CONSISTENTLY THE WAY I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD BUT BE INJECTING IT. WHY NOT PUT IT BACK INTO THE SURFACE WATER OF THE BLACKWATER RIVER, OF THE NOD AWAY REBEL. THEN LET IT GO WHERE IT WANTS TO GO. DON'T PUT IT INTO A PRIVATE HOLD THAT NOBODY CAN REALLY SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. ANYWAY, THAT'S JUST I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PROTECT THE COUNTY FROM THAT. >> IS THIS THE COMPANY THAT PRESENTED TO US A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND THEY TALKED ABOUT PUTTING IT BACK INTO THE AQUIFER AND I THINK WE WERE ALL UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE IDEA, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT OUTCOME WE HAD FROM THAT DISCUSSION. [00:55:06] >> IT WAS JUST PROVIDING INFORMATION. IT WAS CERTAINLY ISN'T ANYTHING THAT SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY GETS A CHOICE IN. BUT PART OF THE REASON FOR INJECTING IT BACK INTO THE AQUIFER IS TO HELP FIGHT LAND SUBSIDENCE. LAND IS SINKING AS MORE AND MORE WATER GETS PUMPED OUT OF IT AND THIS SWIFT PROGRAM HELPS REPLACE THE WATER TO THE HELP FILL THE AQUIFER BACKUP. >> I STILL THINK THAT'S A TERRIBLE THING TO DO. I THINK I CAN LIVE WITH LAND SUBSISTENCE VERSUS MY WELL BEING POLLUTED. >> IT WAS TWO AQUIFERS WITHDRAW FROM IS A RATHER SUPERFICIAL AND THEN THE DEEPER ONE. BUT SO DOES EVERYBODY IN TIDEWATER. IF YOU READ THAT, THEY WILL SAY, WELL THE WATER DOESN'T TRAVEL BACKWARDS SO WE'RE AT THEY'RE INJECTING IT IN NORFOLK. IT'S NOT GOING TO GET BACK TO SOUTHAMPTON. >> THEY'RE INJECTING THAT STRAIGHT THERE. GROUNDWATER TAKES OVER 2,000 -3,000 YEARS TO MAKE IT TO THE AQUIFER. THEY'RE DOING IT IN A FEW MINUTES, OUT OF SIGHT AND OUT OF MIND UNTIL SOMETHING HAPPENS. >> WITH A GOOD POINT. >> THAT'S ALL I GOT. >> I WAS CERTAINLY HOPE WE WOULDN'T DO IT HERE. NOW I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MR. CHAIR. BACK TO SUPPOSE THE WATER FLOWS FROM WEST TO EAST BY THE ROBO FLOWS. BUT I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE INDUSTRY IN SOUTHAMPTON DO THAT SLIP PROGRAM. AND THEN I'M THINKING WASN'T THAT PROGRAM ORIGINATED BECAUSE THERE WAS SO MUCH DISCHARGE. THEY WOULD DISCHARGE SO MUCH IF FLOWING INTO THE BAY OR THE OCEAN OR WHATEVER, YOU'RE TRYING TO FIND ANOTHER SOURCE TO DETER THAT. IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT ONE OF THE REASONS [OVERLAPPING] >> I BELIEVE SO. >> FOR THIS PROGRAM BECAUSE THEY HAVE SO MUCH DISCHARGE AND WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE SO SAFE. IT SHOULDN'T HURT THE ANIMALS, I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM WITH THAT [OVERLAPPING]. WELL, HAVE THEY GOT SPACE FOR HOLDING POND? I'M NOT GOING TO [OVERLAPPING] BE JUST HOLDING THE BILL, BUT I WAS CERTAIN LIKES SINCE WE'RE PULLING IT AT HAMPTON ROADS GREW, BUT I HOPE WE WOULD NOT DO THAT. WE WOULDN'T OCCUR TO YOU HERE. ONE THING WE WERE BLESSED WITH GOOD, CLEAN, PURE WATER. >> ACCORDING TO MY RESEARCH, ABOUT 4.6 BILLION GALLONS ARE PUMPED FROM THE NOD AWAY IN THE BACKWATER RIVER IN 2022. TO ME THEY COULD PUT THE WATER BACK IN THE RIVER THAT THEY'RE UP AND ACT RATHER THAN INJECTED INTO AN AQUIFER THAT ANYWAY, THAT'S JUST I DON T KNOW HOW ARE OUR PLANS COULD ENCOURAGED, BUT I THINK IT'S DANGEROUS ON WHAT THEY'RE DOING. I RELATE IT CAN AFFECT OUR COUNTY RESIDENTS VERY QUIETLY AND WE WON'T KNOW THAT IT'S HAPPENING UNTIL IT'S DONE. >> THAT'S TRUE. AND JUST LIKE A GAS THE PIPELINE RIGHT THROUGH OUR COUNTY, I DON'T THINK WE TAP ON TO IT ANYWHERE, I DON'T THINK. IT WAS OLD TALENT WHITE, WHERE IT GOES TO THAT RESERVOIR SYSTEM. IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED CERTAINLY BE ALERTED ABOUT. DO WE NEED TO CHANGE IN A LANGUAGE TAIL? JUST, BE SURE WE MONITOR. JUST AS WE GO FORWARD. >> WELL, IN ON PAGE 7-16, THE LAST SENTENCE. >>OKAY. >> SAYS WHILE ASYLUM IN CANADA IS NOT A PARDON IN THE HRSD CAN USE GROUNDWATER RESOURCES WILL BENEFIT FROM THE SWIFT WATER PROGRAM. I THINK WHAT DOUG IS SAYING IS [01:00:02] THAT WE QUESTION THE FACT THAT WHETHER WE ARE GOING TO BENEFIT FROM IT ALL. I'LL PAY A PRICE FOR IT. >> GOT THAT WORD CIRCLED, WILL BE AFFECTED BY IT FOR SURE WHETHER WE BENEFIT BY IT. THAT'S ANOTHER OPINION. >> THAT'S WHAT THOSE TWO MAPS SHOW. THOSE TWO MAPS SHOW THE LAND SUBSIDENCE. THE LEFT-HAND ONE HAS THE MORE ORANGE AND RED COLORS. RIGHT-HAND ONE IS, THE SWIFT PROGRAM IS IN USE AND THE LAND SUBSIDENCE IS CONSIDERABLY LESS. >> KEYWORD TO THOSE JOBS IS SIMULATED. >> BECAUSE, WE CAN'T TELL WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN 50 YEARS. >> AS AN OPINION. WOULD YOU LIKE TO CHANGE TO AWARD IT MR. JOHNSON AND MR. MAYOR THAT WILL BENEFIT. TAKE THAT OUT AND CHANGE IT WITH WILL BE [NOISE] AFFECTED. WOULD SATISFY THAT? FUEL TO STRIKE THE LAYERS SOMETIMES. >> IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO SAY WITH WILD SIDE AND MECHANICS, NOT A PARTNER, THAT GROUNDWATER RESOURCES WILL BE AFFECTED FROM THE SWIFT WATER PROGRAM WITH NO INPUT FROM SATURDAY MECHANIC. >> IF YOU WANTED TO GET STRONGER AND THE IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES IN THE LAST SECTION, OTHER THING YOU COULD ADD A LETTER AND THEN WE DISCOURAGE THE INJECTION OF THE AQUIFER WITH TREATED WASTEWATER. I WOULD VOTE FOR THAT. BUT THAT'S JUST AN OPINION. >> OUR NEIGHBORS IN CAROLINA ARE IN THE PROCESS OF PUMPING WATER OUT OF THE GRIND AND GET THE NITRATE OUT OF IT. JUST DINE IN TUNIS WHERE THERE WAS A NITROGEN PLANT AND THEY'RE DOING THAT, SAVED THAT SHOW ON ROBO. AND THEY WILL HAVE STEADILY PUMPING THE WATER OUT OF THE AQUIFER OR OUT OF THE GRAIN. I'LL PUT IT THAT I DON'T THINK THEY GET AS DEEP AS THAT, BUT THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THE NITRATES FROM LEACHING INTO THE SHOW ON. SO THEY PUMP IT, I'D TAKE IT AND PUT IT BACK ON THE LAND AND PUT IT BACK UP ON TOP, WHERE VEGETATION CAN PULL THE NITRATE SIDE AND WHERE THE SUNLIGHT CAN HAVE ITS EFFECT ON, IS LIKE YOUR HEARING SCIENCE AND IT'S GOING IN OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS. > IT'S BEEN LOCALITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO HIS HEAD PROBLEMS,. >> BRINE WATER BEING POLLUTED. SO CERTAINLY WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF THAT. >> JUST HEARD YOU ALL KNOW OF THE AQUIFERS ARE NAMED IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH OR 7-15, IF ANYBODY WAS INTERESTED. >> SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING OR YOU SUGGEST WE ADD SOME IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES THAT WE DON'T SUPPORT. >> THAT'S ME, BUT I'VE YET IF NOBODY ELSE TAKES OUR PROGRAM,. >> I WOULDN'T SUPPORT IT. I MEAN, I KNOW IN SUPPORTING THE COUNTY, I DON'T KNOW IF I LIKE IT OR NOT. I DON'T LIKE [INAUDIBLE]. I FELT REALLY INDIFFERENT BECAUSE I I THOUGHT YOU'RE GOING TO BRING SOME SAMPLES. I THOUGHT HE IS GOING TO TASTE IT. [OVERLAPPING] >> [INAUDIBLE] WHAT DO YOU THINK? [OVERLAPPING] >> I'M DEFINITELY AGAINST THEM DOING IT. >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO CHANGE THE WORD. >> I MEAN, HOW CAN WE MAKE AN EDUCATED DECISION ABOUT IT? BECAUSE I JUST DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT IT. MAYBE THERE'S 200 PEOPLE'S JOBS THAT ARE DEPENDENT ON THAT AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO SAY WE DISCOURAGE IT. I CAN'T MAKE THAT CALL. I JUST THINK IT'S RECKLESS. >> I WONDER IF OTHER COUNTIES OR WHAT PLACES ARE HAVING THE SAME DISCUSSION. [OVERLAPPING] >> I WOULD ASSUME WHAT ARE WE REFERRING TO? HERCULES OR I MEAN, WHAT [OVERLAPPING] SPECIFICALLY WHAT YOU'RE REFERENCING. >> DOES HRSD GO TO INTO SUFFOLK. I NOTICED I DOESN'T COME HERE. [OVERLAPPING] IT DOESN'T GO TO SUFFOLK >> I BELIEVE THEY DO GO TO SUFFOLK BUT THEY DID NOT COME. [OVERLAPPING] >> BUT THAT'S AS FAR WEST AS THEY COME FROM AMBROSE AREA. >> BECAUSE I THINK THE PRESENTATION WAS FOR SOMEONE WHO WAS FROM SUFFOLK, I BELIEVE. [01:05:07] THEY TALKED ABOUT LOCATION IN SUFFOLK. >> I UNDERSTAND YOUR DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SIZE, BUT WHEN WE'RE SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY IT, THAT'S A FACT. WHEN WE SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY, WITH NO INPUT, THAT'S ANOTHER FACTOR. WE ARE NOT HAVE AFFECTING JOBS BUT WE'RE BRINGING UP THE AWARENESS OF IT. >> I JUST WANT TO KNOW SOME SPECIFICS, IT'S LIKE WE'RE SPEAKING AND THAT'S DANGEROUS, I THINK. YOU MAY BE EXACTLY RIGHT, BUT I'M NOT SPECIFICALLY AWARE OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. I CAN'T MAKE A DECISION. >> WE JUST WANT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT WE PUT IN A COMP PLAN MAY COME BACK TO HUNT US. SHOULDN'T CONCERN. MIGHT BE A GREAT TIME TO BE A GREAT THING. WE JUST DON'T KNOW YET. >> I WANT TO PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT. I JUST WANT SOME SPECIFICS. >> BUT WE CAN'T CONTROL WHAT HAPPENS OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY, IF THEY'RE ALREADY PUMPING INTO IT, IT'S NOT REALLY WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THAT. FOR A HAND ROADS FOR US TO PARTNER WITH THEM, IT WOULD HAVE TO GO IN FRONT OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT DECISION CORRECT? >> FOR SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY TO BE PART OF HAMPTON ROADS SANITATION DISTRICT, WE'D HAVE TO HAVE AN EXTENSIVE WASTEWATER SYSTEM, WHICH WE DON'T. THE WASTEWATER THAT'S GENERATED AT SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY IS NOT GOING TO BE PART OF THE HAMPTON ROADS SANITATION DISTRICT. >> NOWHERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE I CAN SEE. >> WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT NOW IS WHAT, 25% CAPACITY WE'RE NEVER GOING TO HAVE TO. BUT WHILE ANY OF US IN THIS ROOM ARE ALIVE AND PROBABLY GRANDCHILDREN TOO, ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE WASTEWATER FROM SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY TO SANITATION DISTRICT. AND SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY IS WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT DOES NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY TO TREAT THE WASTEWATER AND INJECT IT BACK INTO AN AQUIFER, EVEN IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS SEEN AS BENEFICIAL TODAY, THAT CAPACITY OF THE COUNTIES WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT TO DO A PROGRAM LIKE THIS WITH PROGRAM ISN'T THERE. >> SO DON'T TAKE ANY ACTION? >> OR THERE'S ANY ACTION TO TAKE. [LAUGHTER] >> WHEN YOU WERE TALKING A FEW MINUTES AGO ABOUT FACTS. THE FACT IS THAT THIS PROGRAM EXISTS. >> I AGREE WITH MS. [INAUDIBLE]. I DON'T REALLY WANT IT INJECTED AN AQUIFER, BUT IT'S NOT HAPPENING IN OUR COUNTY NOW AND I JUST DON'T SEE IT HAPPENING IN THE FOR FUTURE, SO I DON'T SEE WHERE THERE'S AN ACTION TO TAKE. >> IT'S IMPLYING THAT WE'RE BENEFITING FROM IT. >> OR YOU CAN CERTAINLY SAY CHANGE IT TO WILL BE AFFECTED BY THE SWIFT WATER PROGRAM. OR MAY BE AFFECTED BY. >> MAYBE AFFECTED. >> WOULD YOU ALL LIKE TO INSERT THAT LANGUAGE IN PLACE THAT THEY WILL BENEFIT, THEY WILL MAY BE AFFECTED. WILL THAT SATISFY THE RIGHT? >> MAY BE AFFECTED. >> SURE. >> THAT BRINGS THE LIGHT THAT WE GOT TO WE DISCUSSED IT RIGHT OUT OF CONCERN. >> THAT'S THE CONSENSUS SAYS THEY WILL CHANGE IT TO WERE, WE'LL BENEFIT TO WILL BE AFFECTED. >> MAYBE AFFECTED. >> EXCUSE ME. MAYBE AFFECTED. VERY GOOD. ANYTHING ELSE? ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS CHAPTER? IF NOT, WE WILL GO TO THE LAND USE CHAPTER. >> WHAT DO YOU ALL WANT TO DO WITH THE LAND-USE PLAN MAP? WE'VE DISCUSSED IT SEVERAL TIMES OVER SEVERAL MONTHS. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO? >> I KNEW MR. TURNER, I THINK PART OF LAST MEETING OF THE AVAILABLE SPACE, THE FALL AS INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND THEN MS. LEWIS, [01:10:03] YOU PASSED OUT A POTENTIAL AREA THAT MAY BE EXPANDED FOR ROAD. SOME OTHER AREAS, MAYBE COMING FORTH. >> THAT AREA ON SMITH'S VERY ROAD ALREADY HAS A PLAN DESIGNATION OF INDUSTRIAL. THEY JUST NEEDED ZONING MAP AMENDMENT TO AN INDUSTRIAL ZONING DESIGNATION. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP, THAT'S THE LAST PAGE. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO WITH THAT? >> YOU WANT TO MAKE ANY CHANGES? WE GOT TO 58 CORE DOOR, KNOCKED OFF AND TIME SHIFTS IDENTIFIED. >> I GOT A QUESTION. >> YES. >> DID I HEAR THAT IT WAS LAST MEETING YOU SAID THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THEY PURCHASED LAND ACROSS THE STREET FROM [INAUDIBLE]? OR YOU SAID IT WAS AN INTENT TO BUY MORE LAND THERE TO EXPAND THAT? >> YOU'RE ASKING IF WE SOLIDIFIED. YES, WE'RE DOING IT. THAT'S IN THE MOTION RIGHT NOW. >> HOW MANY ACRES? IS IT ABOUT UP TO 240, SOMETHING LIKE THAT? >> JUST THE SAME SIZE AS THE CROSSROAD. >> I DEFINITELY THINK WE NEED TO ENCOURAGE MORE OF THAT. >> WE EMPOWERED THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO MOVE ON WITH THAT SITUATION. ON THE WHITEBOARD [INAUDIBLE] >> THIS IS A CROSS THE ROAD, NOT ADJACENT. THIS IS ACROSS THE ROAD. >> THE RIO FARM IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT. >> ACROSS ROWS VALLEY ROAD. >> I GOT THE RIGHT COLOR ON IT AS FAR AS THE FUTURE LAND USE. >> YES. [LAUGHTER] >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? >> MS. LEWIS, IS THERE ANYMORE PARCELS AVAILABLE LIKE THE HAND OF FOOD LINE IN CORTLAND, THAT INDUSTRIAL PARK? >> I BELIEVE THEY ARE. I BELIEVE THERE IS SOME VACANT LAND BACK THERE. >> POINT 5 ACRES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> YES. >> IT'S NOT A REAL DESIRABLE. WELL FOR COMMERCIAL IS THAT.[LAUGHTER] >> NOT GOING TO GET DRIVE BY, >> SMALL BUSINESS. MS. LEWIS, WE'LL LOOK AT IN FUTURE LAND USE, I KNOW THE COMPANIES PLAYING WITH. WE ALWAYS UPDATE THE LIGHT AT FIVE, SIX-YEAR PERIOD OF TIME, BUT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT DIANA ROAD, CORRECT? >> LIKE 15, 20 YEARS? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> THAT'S HARD TO DO. BUT YOU ALL GOT IT. YOU GOT TO THANK DIANA ROADWAYS. >> I'VE GOT QUESTION ON YOUR MEMO FROM AUGUST 26, ALL OF THESE BULLETS, HAVE WE MADE DECISIONS ON ALL OF THESE BULLETS? >> NO. >> BECAUSE THAT'S ALL [OVERLAPPING]. >> I THINK WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME. >> ARE THERE ANY JUMP TO THE HEAD OF THE CLASS, SO TO SPEAK? >> I THINK THE SECOND ONE WE PRETTY MUCH RESOLVED WHEN WE PASS THEM. [INAUDIBLE] >> WELL, THAT'S JUST A TERMINOLOGY. NOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOUTHAMPTON SOLAR, THAT'S DOWN IN THE BOYKINS BRANCH REAL NUISANCE AREA. IT HAS A PLAN DESIGNATION OF INSTITUTIONAL BECAUSE IT WAS A PUBLIC UTILITY. BUT THERE ARE SOME LOCALITIES THAT PERMIT UTILITY-SCALE SOLAR TO REMAIN IN AGRICULTURE, FOREST, OPEN SPACE, [01:15:02] AND RURAL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, BECAUSE THAT DISTRICT PERMITS RESOURCE EXTRACTION AND PERHAPS HARVESTING SUNLIGHT COULD BE CONSIDERED RESOURCE EXTRACTION. DO YOU WANT TO LET IT REMAIN IN THE AGRICULTURE, FOREST, OPEN SPACE, AND RURAL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AS A RESOURCE EXTRACTION OPERATION? OR DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO REQUIRE THAT THEY CHANGE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO INSTITUTIONAL? >> PROSLA [INAUDIBLE] SAID A COURSE, WE MIGHT HAVE HAD A BIG DISCUSSION ABOUT IT FROM THE SAME LAND, IT COULD BE TENANT AS AGRICULTURAL USES, BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION, I THINK LEAD TO STAY AS WE DID WITH OUR FIRST PROJECT AND REQUIRED TO BE RECLASSIFIED INDUSTRIAL. THAT'S MY $0.02 WORTH. >> WHAT YOU ARE ASKING THERE, DO WE WANT TO GO DOWN ZONE AREAS FOR? >> IT'S NOT TALKING ABOUT ZONING AT ALL? IT'S TALKING ABOUT WHEN A UTILITY SCALE SKULL PROJECT PRESENTS ITSELF. DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THEM GO THROUGH THREE PROCESSES THAT CHANGE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO INSTITUTIONAL CHANGE THE ZONING TO M1 AND GET A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR SAY THEY DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BECAUSE IT'S A RESOURCE EXTRACTION, JUST LIKE SAND MINING, ONLY NEED A ZONING CHANGE TO M1 AND A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. DO YOU WANT THEIR REVIEW PROCESS TO BE THREE STEPS OR TWO STEPS? >> BEFORE IT WAS TWO STEPS, CORRECT. >> NOW, IT'S BEEN THREE STEPS. >> I'D LIKE TO KEEP IT THREE STEPS. >> OKAY. >> I'M GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING. >> ON THE BACK PAGE, THE BULLET THAT STARTS WITH JOHN DAVID WILLIAMS, HE WAS THE GENTLEMAN THAT WANTED TO HAVE THE BETTER HANDLING PLACE. HE HAS A TWO-AND-A-HALF ACRE AREA THAT COULD CHANGE THE ZONING AND COMPETENCE PLAN A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO TO PERMIT A CONVENIENCE STORE AND 20,000 SQUARE FEET OF STRIP RETAIL. NOW HE WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THAT WHOLE SECTION WHERE HIS DRIVEWAYS WERE FOR HIS PHEASANT HUNTING BUSINESS, CHANGE THAT WHOLE SECTION TO COMMERCIAL SO HE COULD HAVE SOME MORE COMMERCIAL OPPORTUNITIES THERE, AND THEN THE BACK AREA WHERE THE PHEASANT HUNTING OPERATION WAS CHANGED THAT TO A LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH WOULD PERMIT 1-3 UNITS TO AN ACRE RATHER THAN AGRICULTURE, FORESTRY, OPEN SPACE, IN OUR RURAL RESIDENTIAL THAT WOULD PERMIT THE DEVELOPMENT OF A NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THE HOUSES THAT ARE ALONG THE ROAD ON THREE-QUARTER ACRE LOTS. AT AN INTERSECTION OF 35 IN SOUTHAMPTON PARKWAY, ACROSS THE STREET FROM TWO SCHOOLS, HAVING SOME RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, THERE MIGHT BE A WISE IDEA. IT MIGHT BE BETTER THAN A PHEASANT HUNTING OPERATION. >> WOULD A PIECE RIGHT UP ON 35? WAS THAT A REALLY ZONED COMMERCIAL? >> YES, TWO-AND-A-HALF ACRES. >> TWO-AND-A-HALF ACRES. >> [NOISE] AND SO THE REST OF THAT STRIP WOULD BE ABOUT ANOTHER FOUR OR FIVE ACRES RIGHT THERE, RIGHT ALONG THE ROAD AND THEN BEHIND IT, AN AREA OF THINK HE HAS ABOUT 140 ACRES BACK THERE. BY THE TIME YOU PUT IN A ROAD AND SOME STORMWATER DEVICES, YOU COULD MAYBE GET 83 QUARTER-ACRE LOTS, ON 140 SOME ACRES OF PROPERTY. [01:20:04] DOES THAT SEEM REASONABLE THERE? >> IS THAT THE AGRICULTURE NOW? >> YES. >> BUT HE IS NOT IN THE ACT FORCE YOUR DISTRICT? >> HE'S NOT. >> GIVEN THE INTERCHANGE, I THINK IS COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL IN MY OPINION. THAT'S JUST A BETTER USE FOR THAT INTERSECTION, BUT THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION. >> YOU MEAN BEHIND THOSE HOUSES ON WRIGLEY ROAD? >> YES. RIGHT THERE AT THE INTERSECTION OF 58 AND 35 I THINK IS. >> BECAUSE THERE'S THIS WRIGLEY ROAD HAS HOUSES ON BOTH SIDES AND THIS IS THE AREA BEHIND THOSE HOUSES. >> MS. LEWIS TALKING ABOUT COMING BACK DOWN THE ROAD OF WAYS. >> I UNDERSTAND. >> SO DIDN'T YOU GET THAT? BOTH OF THE AREA BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL AND IT HAS SEVERAL HOMES. >> I UNDERSTAND. >> YOUR FAMILIAR PROBLEM. >> I'M CURRENTLY IN BCA PROFESSOR. YOU STILL ON THAT? >> YES. >> NOW YOU TOM TELL HIM CHATS NOW YOU FEEL [LAUGHTER]. >> I SEE THE LAND HAS NOT BEEN DEVELOPED CERTAINLY BECAUSE THEY ENERGIZE BY IT. BUT THEN WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO WHERE THE HOUSES ARE THERE, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD JIVE WITH INDUSTRIAL WAR THERE. >> I UNDERSTAND. IF I WAS [INAUDIBLE], I WOULDN'T HAVE FOUND ONE OF THOSE ITEMS. >> I'M TRYING TO MAKE A SYSTEM. >> I'M JUST LOOKING AT OVERALL. >> BUT I AGREE. I WOULD WANT RESIDENTIAL TO COME UP TO THAT PERIOD TO THAT INTERSECTION, BUT AT SOME POINT ALONG THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A DIVISION AND HAVE A PLAN. >> I'M ASSUMING IF HE DID THAT HE WOULD CEASE THE PHEASANT HUNTING AND PRESERVE. >> CERTAINLY. >> I THINK WE DEAL WITH THAT APPLICATION IF IT COMES FOR BUT I GUESS WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT IT IS GENERAL DESIGNATION. >> WELL, HE WOULD JUST MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE APPLICATION IF I CHANGED IT AND THEN HIS ARGUMENT WOULD BE THAT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, HOW CAN WE DENY? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> YOU LOSE CONTROL. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD WE DO THAT? [LAUGHTER] >> IN OTHER LOCALITIES, WHEN LOCALITY IS CONSIDERING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THEY TAKE REQUESTS FROM PROPERTY OWNERS TO BE PART OF THE LARGER APPLICATION IN THAT LARGER ACTION. IT CAN ALL BE CONSIDERED AS A PIECE. BUT HE IS THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS REQUESTED THAT ANY ACTION. >> I DON'T WANT TO KNOW IF THAT'S EVER HAPPENED BEFORE A LANDOWNER SUGGEST WHAT THEY MIGHT DO WITH THE PROMPT THAT YOU KNOW. >> IT HAPPENS A LOT IN OTHER LOCALITIES. >> ITERATION OF THE COURSE. >> ANYTHING ELSE? >> MCCALLUM, IT'S A SELF UNDUE HARDSHIP. >> WE SAY AND WE'LL JUST LEAVE THAT AS IS? IS THAT WHAT IT WAS SAYING? >> HE'S MADE A SUGGESTION TO MS. LEWIS. >> THEY'RE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN DO NOTHING AND WE USED TO SAY LIVE OR NOT LIVE. >> I SAID WE DO NOTHING. WE DO NOT DEPEND. >> WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO WITH THE REST OF THE MAP? DO YOU WANT TO LEAVE IT AS IT IS. ARE THERE ANY AREAS THAT JUMP OUT AT YOU THAT NEED AMENDMENT OF SOME SORT? >> NO THAT'S ALL. >> I THINK THAT IN THE LAST UPDATE THAT YOU ALIGNED 58 WITH INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL FROM GREENSVILLE COUNTY. WAS A WISE STEP. [01:25:01] I THINK ONLY BELMONT PEANUTS HAS TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF IT, BUT I DON'T THINK IT HAS BEEN DETRIMENTAL. >> OKAY. WE'RE GOING LEAVE LIKE IT IS? I SEE A COUPLE OF NODS. WHAT DO YOU THINK? >> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU-ALL KNOW, THIS IS AN ASIDE, THE SECOND TO LAST LITTLE BULLET ON THE BACK PAGE TALKED ABOUT THE RESTAURANT IN THE DARK SIDE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN REMOVED. THAT PROPERTY HAS COMMERCIAL ZONING, SO MAYBE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME SMALL-SCALE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THERE. I UNDERSTAND THAT RESTAURANT WAS QUITE POPULAR IN THE DAY. >> IT WAS. >> A COOL PLACE. >> IT WAS AN UNDERWATER. [NOISE] [LAUGHTER] THEY HAD FRESH SEAFOOD. >> VERY FRESH. THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU-ALL GO DOWN THAT ROAD TO SEE THAT. >> MS. LEWIS, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE THE MATH [INAUDIBLE] FOR RIGHT NOW. >> IN THE WRITE-UP, THERE IS REFERENCE TO PLAN FOR 60 EXPRESSWAY SEVERAL TIMES. CAN THAT BE DELETED? >> THAT'S WHY YOU GOT THE LANGUAGE, YES. TO GO THROUGH THAT LANGUAGE AND MAKE ANY CHANGES, UPDATE THAT. >> TWO REFERENCES ON 8-7, ONE REFERENCE ON -88. >> YES. >> THIS LANGUAGE IS FROM YOUR CURRENT PLAN, SO THERE MAY BE THINGS THAT [NOISE] - >> ONE REFERENCE ON -8-12. >> -TO BE CHANGED. >> - AT THE TOP LINE. IN THAT PARTICULAR PAGE, THE SECOND PARAGRAPH IN THAT CORTLAND PLANNING AREA SECTION IS SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENTS IN PUBLIC FACILITIES INCLUDE A NEW 750 ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, 2008 WAS THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT, SO I WOULD RECOMMEND, PUT A PAST TENSE, INCLUDED A NEW 750 ELEMENTARY SCHOOL CONSTRUCTED IN 2008. >> THAT'S WHY YOU GOT THESE PAGES. YOU SEE THAT THESE ARE FROM THE 2015 PLAN. >> THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS ON THE 8-13 WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT THIS AREA IS ANCHORED BY THE LARGEST EMPLOYERS IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. I WASN'T SURE. JUST PUT A QUESTION MARK BY THAT. THAT'S THE ONLY THING I HAD TO ADD. I GUESS THAT'S MAYBE REFERRING TO THE INDUSTRIAL PARK AREA. >> WHILE THIS IS TALKING ABOUT THE BOYKINS BRANCH FILL AREA, SO THAT WAS TALKING ABOUT WHAT WAS THEN NAROKOT, THE SEAT BELT FACTORY, WHATEVER IT WAS, BACK THEN. BUT SINCE THAT'S NO LONGER IN BUSINESS, THAT'S WHY YOU UPDATE THIS. >> THAT'S THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAD. THANK YOU-ALL FOR YOUR PATIENCE WITH ME. >> MR. MAIN, IS THAT PLACE OCCUPIED BY ANYBODY NOW OR IS IT JUST VACANT, ABANDONED? >> IT LOOKS ABANDONED. >> IT'S ABANDONED. THAT'S HOW PEOPLE LOOK AT IT AND, FOR SOME REASON, THEY DON'T WORK OUT. >> THERE WAS A LOT OF CALLS IN FRONT OF. I DON'T KNOW WHAT BRAND THEY ARE, BUT THE'RE ALL THE SAME. MAKES ME WONDER IF IT'S TURNED INTO A CHOP CHOP THAT YOU-ALL DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANYWAY. I THINK THE HEMP SITUATION WENT BELLY UP, DIDN'T IT? >> YEAH. >> THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT. >> WELL, AS YOU READ THIS TEXT FROM 2015, IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER REFINEMENTS OR CHANGES OR ANYTHING YOU WANT TO MAKE, JUST BRING THEM UP. >> ANYBODY SEE ANYTHING ELSE? WE'LL CONTINUE TO REVIEW THESE. LUCKILY, WE CAN ONLY COME BACK AND ADDRESS THEM AGAIN, BUT MOVING HASHTAG IS WE GO THROUGH IT IS THAT [01:30:04] ALL GOING TO BE CLOSER WE GET TO THAT END RESULT. ARE WE DONE HERE ON NEW BUSINESS? WE'LL GO DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER 7. MS. LEWIS, YOU HAVE BZA MATTER. >> WELL, LET ME BACK IT. [VI. NEW BUSINESS] >> I'LL GO AHEAD AND EXPLAIN. >> WELL, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT NEW BUSINESS, BUT WE BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE SOLAR FACILITY FIRES, AND WE ASKED DEPUTY PHILLIP TO BRING IN SOME INFORMATION, AND I WAS TELLING HIM PRIOR TO THE MEETING. BUT SINCE THE LAST MEETING, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS SOME FACILITIES IN GREENSVILLE COUNTY THAT HAS CAUGHT ON FIRE. IT'S NOT JUST SOMETHING [NOISE] IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, BUT WE COULD TAKE A MINUTE AND LET DEPUTY PHILLIP EXPLAIN WHAT HE HAS AND THEN WHAT HE HAS CAN BE PUT IN THE MINUTES OF OUR MEETING TONIGHT. >> MR. PHILLIP, CAN YOU COME FORWARD? >> NOT NECESSARILY COME FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, [INAUDIBLE] THERE. I HAVE THREE RUN REPORTS. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE BEEN MORE IN INCIDENCE THAN THE THREE. [INAUDIBLE] IT COULD HAVE BEEN PUT IN UNDER A DIFFERENT CODE RATHER THAN A BRUSH FIRE. HE'S GOING TO LOOK AND SEE IF YOU CAN LOCATE THE [INAUDIBLE]. I KNOW WE'VE ENDED ACROSS KEY SITE ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION. ALL THE FIRES, THEY START WITHIN THE LOCKED FACILITY. CONVERSATION WE'VE TALKED ABOUT POPULISM. I MAY HOLD CIGARETTE OUT OR SOMETHING'S INSIDE THE ROOM, UNLESS IT'S A SOLAR FACILITY WORKER, THEN IT WILL PROBABLY BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR CHOOSING THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD FACILITY WHERE IT STARTS. ONE THAT CAUSES THIS IS UNDETERMINED UNTIL THE TWO ARE FAULTY WIRING, AND THAT COMES FROM THE FACILITY WORKERS THEMSELVES. AS IN OTHER QUESTIONS, SO WE HAVE ACCESS TO THE SOLAE FIRES? WE DO NOT. WE HAVE TO GET A NUMBER OF GATE AND CALL ALICE LL1 SUPERVISORS, PHONE NUMBERS ARE NOT FORGET TO CALL. I TRIED TO CALL HIM WHILE WE WERE ON THE WAY TO GET HIM TO COME AND OPEN THE GATE TO LET US IN, AND MOST OF THEM HAVE BEEN CONTAINED WITHIN THE LOCK DEFENSE AREA UNDERNEATH THE SOLAR PANELS THEMSELVES. THE LAST ONE THAT WE WENT TO BACK IN OCTOBER [NOISE] THAT WAS ONLY BURNT RESIDE THAT DID EXTEND BEYOND THE FENCE IN AREA AND GET INTO WHAT IS CALLED THE FAULTY PROBLEM ENDED. THE COURSE THAT IS TYPICALLY US MOVES ME PROUD OF ALL OF THEIR RESPONSES. THEY WERE FIRST OR SECOND DUE TO ALL THESE OLDER HOMES IN THAT AREA. WELL, [INAUDIBLE] THE ONE ON OLD BRANCH [INAUDIBLE] HOWEVER WE DO [INAUDIBLE] AND BRANCH OR RESPONDED TO THE LAST ONE [INAUDIBLE]. WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IT HAPPENS UNDERNEATH THE SOLAR. I HAD BEEN OUT, I LOOKED ALL THE WIRING AND [INAUDIBLE] I WONDER WHERE THEY CONNECT. IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT THIS HEIGHT. THE WIRES JUST DRAPE ACROSS. SOMETHING MALFUNCTIONS AND YOU SEE WHERE THE WIRING JUST GETS HOT AND PLASTICS JUST ALSO DROP DOWN IN THE DRY GRASS, AND THEN THAT'S WHERE IT STARTED. OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THE BUILDING IS SAFE BEFORE WE GO AND TRY TO EXTINGUISH ANYTHING AS FAR AS ELECTRICITY GOES. I DIDN'T REACH OUT TO A MEMORY OR AN EMPLOYEE IF I HAD A PROBLEM WITH IT. THEY RESPOND TO THE ONES THEY HAD IN GREENVILLE, AND HE IS GOING TO PROVIDE ME WITH THEIR RUN REPORTS AS WELL. I'LL BE GLAD TO GET MY OTHER ONES ONCE [INAUDIBLE] SEARCH BY ADDRESS INSTEAD OF INCIDENT TYPE, PROVIDE ME WITH THE OTHER ONES THAT WE RESPONDED TO PROVIDE YOU ALL [INAUDIBLE]. >> SERGEANT, HOW HIGH WAS THAT GRASS OF THESE FIRES. >> ACTUALLY, THE ONES WE'VE BEEN TO, IT'S NOT BEEN THAT TALL. I HAVE SEEN THEM WHEN THEY HAVE GOTTEN A BIT TALLER BEFORE. BUT THE ONES THAT WE'VE BEEN TOO, THE GRASS IS NOT THAT TALL. >> BUT IF YOU WENT IN OCTOBER, WE WOULD EXPERIENCE NO DROUGHT IN THAT PERIOD, SO IT WAS VERY DRY? >> YEAH. >> THEN TO JOHN [INAUDIBLE], I THINK THE SOLAR COMPANY MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT SPECIAL TRAINING FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS. >> THEY DO PROVIDE YEARLY TRAINING FOR US TO GO. >> THEY'VE INCLUDED BOYKINS BRANCH [INAUDIBLE] IN THERE? >> THEY'LL INVITE ANYONE THAT IS WILLING TO COME, BUT WE TYPICALLY JUST BOYKINS BRANCH [INAUDIBLE] AREAS. >> YOU-ALL DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO CUT THE GATE, [01:35:04] THE CHAIN, AND GO IN. >> YES. WE WILL IF NECESSARY. IF WE CAN'T MAKE CONTACT WITH SOMEBODY, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD DO [NOISE] [INAUDIBLE] GAIN ACCESS. >> MS. JOHNSON, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? >> YES. I GUESS KNOWING THAT THE PROCESS OF A NEW APPLICATION, OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS ON THAT SITE LOCATION WHERE YOU'RE MAINTAINING UNDER GRANDFATHER, UNDER EXISTING THING. BUT ON FUTURE FARMS, IF YOU WANT TO CALL THEM FARMS. >> WE DON'T USE THAT WORD [LAUGHTER]. >> SORRY. KNOCK IT OFF. TO ADD A CONDITION THAT WOULD HELP YOU AS EMERGENCY PERSONNEL, WHAT CONDITION WOULD YOU ADD TO AN APPLICATION THAT WOULD HELP AND FACILITATE? >> [INAUDIBLE] SOON AS WE ARRIVED OR RUN THAT WILL BE [INAUDIBLE]. >> RUN THE WIRE AND CONDUIT. [LAUGHTER] >> THAT WILL PROBABLY HELP. [LAUGHTER] THAT'S SOMETHING THEY GO LOOK AT ON A DESIGN, LIKE YOU SAID, [INAUDIBLE] CONDUIT, NO CONDUIT WOULDN'T KNOW [INAUDIBLE]. >> WE NEED TO MAKE A NOTE OF THAT TO THE NEXT TIME WE HAVE AN APPLICATION THAT'S AN ONGOING ISSUE AND THAT MAY BE RESOLVED TODAY WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION. I DON'T KNOW. >> IN VIRGINIA WERE BOUND BY THE UNIFORM STATE-WIDE BUILDING CODE. ONE OF THOSE CHAPTERS IS THE NATIONAL ELECTRICAL CODE. WE CAN NOT REQUIRE ANYTHING MORE OR ANYTHING LESS THAN THE NATIONAL ELECTRICAL CODE REQUIRES. PERHAPS IN THE ENSUING FIVE YEARS FROM WHEN SOUTHAMPTON SOLAR WAS INSTALLED, TODAY, THE NATIONAL ELECTRICAL CODE HAS BEEN UPDATED AS THEY'VE SEEN FIRES. >> IF IT'S A CONSISTENT PROBLEM, THAT'S PROBABLY BEEN THE DURESS PROBLEM. >> RIGHT. >> I THINK WHAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION WAS THAT [INAUDIBLE] WAS HAVING THE SAME ISSUE AND THE RESPONSE I GOT, IT WAS KEPT MIGHTY QUIET. THE FACILITY DIDN'T WANT TO ADVERTISE IT MUCH, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO US. NOW OUR PRESENT ORDINANCE, DIDN'T WE PUT IN THERE THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO ENTER AT THE FACILITIES AT LEAST THREE TIMES A YEAR? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> OKAY. >> WELL WOULD THE GRANT FOLLOW ONES WE DO NOT. IF WE HAVE A NEW FACILITY AT THE TIME, WE CAN ENCOURAGE FIRE AND RESCUE TO MAKE SOME TYPE OF REQUEST ON THAT HELP STAND. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. PHILLIP? >> DO YOU MIND IF WE KEEP THOSE REPORTS AND LET BETH GET THOSE IN A MINUTE FOR WHATEVER IN THAT WAY- >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> SOMETHING WE HANG OUR HEAD ON AND WHEN THEY GET THE ONE'S FROM GREENVILLE, IF WE CAN GET THOSE AS WELL. APPRECIATE IT. >> I'LL BRING MY [INAUDIBLE] >> THANK YOU. >>THANK YOU, MR. PHILLIP. [NOISE] ANY OTHER NEW BUSINESS? MS. LEWIS, COULD YOU BCA THE [OVERLAPPING] [VII. BZA MATTERS] >> YOU ALL, JOKED A FEW MONTHS AGO THAT YOU NEVER SEE ANY BCA STEP. HERE'S ONE. NOW, THIS IS A PROCESS THAT IS UNIQUE TO VIRGINIA THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION GETS TO LOOK AT BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS REQUESTS BECAUSE THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS IS QUASI-JUDICIAL, THAT MEANS THAT THEY HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE STANDING HERE PRESENTING EVIDENCE. YOU DON'T HAVE ANYONE TO QUESTION AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION. YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THE EVIDENCE, BUT THIS IS HOW THEY DO IT IN VIRGINIA. GERMAN WANTS TO BUILD A LARGE STORAGE BUILDING. THE ORDINANCE SAYS YOU [NOISE] MAY BUILD AN ACCESSORY BUILDING IN THE REAR YARD. HE DOESN'T WANT TO PUT IT IN THE REAR YARD. HE WANTS TO PUT IT IN THE FRONT YARD. WE HAVE AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH. THE DEFINITION OF A REAR YARD IS FROM THE BACK CORNER OF THE HOUSE TO THE BACK PROPERTY LINE. IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER WHERE ON THE PROPERTY HIS HOUSE IS. EVERYTHING BEHIND HIS HOUSE IS REAR YARD. [01:40:02] HE WOULD LIKE TO PUT IT IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE. IN 2011 I DON'T KNOW HOW, HE GOT A BUILDING PERMIT TO BUILD ANOTHER LARGE STRUCTURE IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE. NOW, SINCE THERE WAS AN ERROR MADE IN 2011, HE WOULD LIKE A SECOND ERROR MADE IN 2023 TO PERMIT HIM TO BUILD ANOTHER ONE IN THE FRONT. HE SAID THE BUILDING WAS AGRICULTURAL IN NATURE. IF YOU'RE BUILDING AN AGRICULTURAL BUILDING, IT'S NOT CONSIDERED AN ACCESSORY BUILDING, IT'S AN AGRICULTURAL BUILDING. WHEN YOU THINK OF THE SIZE OF AGRICULTURAL PROPERTIES, THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF BUILDINGS EVERYWHERE. THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE BEHIND THE HOUSE. BUT WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING AN ACCESSORY BUILDING, IN CONJUNCTION WITH A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME AND NOT AN AGRICULTURAL OPERATION. IT NEEDS TO BE BEHIND THE HOUSE. WE DO HAVE A FORM THAT YOU CAN SIGN THAT SAYS THAT THIS IS AN AGRICULTURAL BUILDING. HE SAID HIS WIFE SOLD A FEW EGGS A FEW YEARS AGO. BUT STATE LAW SAYS WHEN YOU SIGN AGRICULTURAL EXEMPTION, IT'S PUNISHABLE BY LAW FOR PERJURY IF IT'S NOT TRUE. HIS CONTRACTOR RECOMMENDED THAT HE NOT SIGN AN AGRICULTURAL EXEMPTION BECAUSE THIS IS NOT AN AGRICULTURAL BUILDING. HE WOULD LIKE TO PUT IT IN FRONT OF HIS HOUSE. YOU CAN SEE FROM THE AERIAL, HIS HOUSE SITS QUITE A WAYS BACK FROM THE ROAD AND THERE'S A LOT OF TREES AND EVERYTHING BETWEEN HIS HOUSE AND THE ROAD. IF HE PUTS IT WHERE HE WANTS TO, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE SEEN BY THE ROAD, BUT I CAN'T APPROVE IT BECAUSE THE ZONING ORDINANCE SAYS YOU MAY BUILD IT IN THE REAR YARD. HE'S SEEKING A VARIANCE TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO BUILD IT IN THE FRONT YARD. THE BCA HAS A LOT OF THINGS TO CONSIDER, AND ALL OF THOSE ARE LAID OUT IN STATE LAW. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS IS, IF YOU DON'T GET THE VARIANCE, DOES THE PROPERTY HAVE ANY OTHER VALUE OR IS NOT GRANTED THE VARIANCE, IN EFFECT, CONFISCATING THE LAND. WELL, THAT WILL BE A DECISION FOR THE BCA TO MAKE. ANOTHER DECISION. IS THIS PROPERTY UNUSUAL? IS IT NARROW, IS IT FUNNY SHAPED IS IT WETLANDS AS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT SO THERE'S LIMITED PLACES TO PUT IT. IS THERE AN ISSUE WITH THE LAND THAT ISN'T COMMON, OTHER PLACES THAT HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO PUT IT IN THE FRONT YARD. ANOTHER THING FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER IS WHETHER THEY SHOULD ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONSIDER CHANGING THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO PERMIT PEOPLE TO PUT ACCESSORY BUILDINGS IN FRONT YARD. WHEN THE BCA SEES THE SAME ISSUE OVER AGAIN, THEN THEY ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSION BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO CONSIDER FIXING IT, WHICH IS WHAT YOU DID IN THE DOCKSIDE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT USED TO HAVE A ONE ZONING REQUIRING 40,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS AND THOSE LOTS WERE PLOTTED BEFORE THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND THEY ARE 50 FEET WIDE. YOU RECOMMENDED AND A BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ADOPTED A NEW ZONING DESIGNATION FOR THE DOCKSIDE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT FIT THE LOTS THAT WERE ALREADY THERE. WELL, IN THIS CASE, THE BCA WILL HAVE TO DECIDE IF THEY SHOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE TO PERMIT ACCESSORY BUILDINGS IN THE FRONT YARD. YES. >> QUESTION. WHICH SIDE OF THE HOUSE IS CONSIDERED TO BE THE FRONT. IS IT THE PART FACING THE SWAMP? IS AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE? >> THERE IS AN ORDINANCE DEFINES THAT THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE IS THE ONE THAT THE BUTS OF THE RIGHT OF WAY. >> IF IT'S A CORNER LOT. THE SHORT SIDE IS THE FRONT. >> IS THE FRONT. >> DOES HE HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO PUT THIS IN THE BACK OF HIS HOUSE? >> YES. >> SO HE SEE OTHER PLACES TO PUT IT, RIGHT? >> YES. >>A GOOD LINE TO FOLLOW THE ORDERS. >> THERE IS ROOM? >> YES. >>IS THIS THE PICTURE. IT LOOKS LIKE YOU CAN PUT IT BEHIND THE EXISTING OUT BUILDING. >> YES. >>I GOT YOU. BUT NOT ON THE SIDE. PROBABLY HE WANTS TO HAVE ACCESS WITH THE DRIVEWAY. AND LOOKING AT THE PICTURE. >> RIGHT. >> YOU CAN'T PUT IT NEAR AS WELL THOUGH? [01:45:01] >> THERE'S A 50 FOOT SETBACK? >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SETBACKS ARE FOR A WHILE. >> IT'S IDENTIFIED IN THE MAP. YEAH. IT IS THE 50 FOOT. >> YOU DIDN'T HAVE ROOM TO PUT IT ON THE WELL SO-. >> WHAT ARE WE DECIDING TONIGHT, MS. LEWIS? >> YOU ARE DECIDING IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BCA, WHETHER OR NOT THEY SHOULD GRANT THIS VARIANCE. YOU CAN DECIDE THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY APPROVE IT. YOU WANT TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY DON'T APPROVE IT, OR YOU WANT TO NOT MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. >> DO WE NORMALLY DO THIS STUFF FOR ALL OF THIS YEARS? >> YEAH. >> WE DO? >> YOU DO LOOK AT THEM. I DON'T REMEMBER THAT YOU HAVE EVER MADE A RECOMMENDATION. >> THE LAST POINT RECOMMENDED. [OVERLAPPING]. I THINK THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION >> [INAUDIBLE] WAS LEAN OR NOT LEAN? >> THAT WAS FOR MR. MARKS' SIGN WASN'T IT THE LAST ONE? YES. FOR MR. MARK'S BILLBOARD. I THINK HE DID MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, BUT FOR THE OTHER ONES IN RECENT YEARS, YOU HAVE NOT LEANED NOT LAYING NO, YOU HAVEN'T LEANED YES. YOU JUST HAVEN'T LEANED. >> WHAT? >> HE'S GOT TO WAIL ON ONE SIDE AND THE [OVERLAPPING] DRAIN FIELD ON THE OTHER SIDE RIGHT? >> THE PROPERTIES WELL, IT'S TRAUMATICALLY TOWARDS THE BACK TO THE SWAMP TOO SO WE CAN'T SEE BEHIND THE [NOISE] [OVERLAPPING] >> HE'S GOT ANOTHER BUILDING LOCATED ABOUT WHETHER THE E IS ON SLOPE BESIDE HIS DRAIN FIELD. >> THAT'S NOT SHOWING UP ON THE AERIAL MAPPING. >> BUT THERE WASN'T A PUBLIC HEARING. >> THERE WILL BE. >> I KNOW, BUT HE DIDN'T REALLY GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME BEFORE US NOW. >>THAT'S WHY THIS IS UNUSUAL. >> CORRECT. I GUESS THAT'S WHY. >> [LAUGHTER] THAT'S WHY THIS IS AN UNUSUAL FEATURE OF VIRGINIA LAW, THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITH NO INPUT FROM THE APPLICANT OR THE NEIGHBORS OR ANYBODY. >> THEN THE BCA PRETTY MUCH IF THEY APPROVE IT, IT'S APPROVED. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> IT'S OKAY. >> IT'S A ONCE SHOT. >> I'M INDIFFERENT TO IT. I FEEL LIKE WE DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT IT, BUT IT TALKS ABOUT THE SWAMP. >> JUST LIKE IT'S A [OVERLAPPING] LOT OF CRIME AROUND IT, A LOT. >> IT IS. >> I JUST FEEL LIKE WITHOUT THEM DOING THE PRESENTATION, I HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE. >> I WENT OUT THERE, TUESDAY. >> I DIDN'T KNOW [INAUDIBLE]. >> I THINK I WENT OVER THERE. WHERE YOU SEE MOST OF THE GREEN IS WHERE [NOISE] THE DRIVEWAY COMES IN AND THEN HE'S GOT A CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY AND IT GOES IN FRONT OF THE RIGHT HAND BUILDING. THE OTHER IS A THREE CAR GARAGE. IT GOT DORM OR WINDOWS, VERY NICE LOOKING. IT'S GOT A A CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY AND IT'S JUST WHAT HE'S LOOKING TO DO. BEFORE YOU GET TO HIS HOUSE, IF YOU'RE COMING UP FROM THE ROAD ON THE RIGHT, IT SHOWS ONLY THE OTHER MAPS. >> THE DRAWING. >> HE'S HE'S GOT IT. HE'S GOT A PAD AND HE'S ETCHED IN THE SIDE OF A HILL AND PUT HIS PLACE FOR THE BUILDING, BUT AGAIN, HE HADN'T STARTED CONSTRUCTION YET. BUT THE REST OF THAT PROPERTY TO THE RIGHT OF IT WHERE IT'S MOSTLY BRIAN, YES, THAT'S ALL PRETTY MUCH SMALL. IT'S SHIELDED. IF YOU COULD PUT A CONDITION ON IT FROM THE ROAD WHERE HE COULD NEVER CUT THE TREES SO THAT YOU [NOISE] COULDN'T SEE IT FROM THE ROAD [LAUGHTER] AND MAYBE YOU COULD. >> I DON'T THINK YOU CAN PUT CONDITIONS ON IT, CAN YOU? YOU EITHER GET HIM WHAT HE WANTS. I THINK YOU CAN TELL HIM HE CAN'T CUT TREES. YOU GOT TO ASSUME MAYBE MAY OR MAY NOT. >> I AGREE WITH THE CODE SECTION. YOU RIDE DOWN THE ROAD AND IF YOU SEE AN ACCESSORY BUILDING AND SOME GUY, SOMATIC PLUNKS DOWN UP, EIGHT BY 20 BUILDING IN THEIR FRONT YARD. IT LOOKS HORRIBLE. >> THE QUESTION IS, DOES HE HAVE ANOTHER SUITABLE PLACE TO PUT IT? >> OR IS THE PROPERTY UNUSABLE WITHOUT THIS BUILDING? >> YES. >> THAT'S THE QUESTION. IF THE DENIAL OF THE VARIANCE. >> MY VOTE IS FOLLOW THE CODE BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU GO OPEN UP ON A CAN OF WORM, SO EVERYTHING. >> IT STARTS SETTING A TREND. >> THIS IS A SELF-INDUCED HARDSHIP. IT'S DIFFERENT. [01:50:04] THE ROAD CAME THROUGH THERE OR SOMETHING THAT YOU WANTED TO EXPAND. THIS IS SELF-INDUCED. >> I THINK HIS ANSWER WOULD PROBABLY BE, I'M GUESSING, I MIGHT BE WRONG, BUT IF HE GETS FIVE GOATS AND 10 CHICKENS AND KEEPS THEM FOR A YEAR, HE'S GOING TO BE APPLYING FOR AN AGRICULTURAL BUILDING. >> THIS AGRICULTURAL BUILDING THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO BUILD IS 100,000 DOLLARS, SO THEY WOULD BE VERY WELL-KEPT GOATS AND CHICKENS. >> HE NEEDS A PLACE TO KEEP HIS TRACTOR AND HE'S GOT ONE. >> BUT THE QUESTION IS, DOES THE PROPERTY HAVE ANY USE WITHOUT THIS? >> RIGHT. >> MR. JUSTIN, SINCE YOU'VE BEEN TO THE PROPERTY, LOOKING AT THIS SATELLITE IMAGE BEHIND THE EXISTING GARAGE WITH THE DOMERS AND EVERYTHING, IS THAT ALL WETLANDS? >> MOST OF THAT, YES. >> BEHIND THAT THERE'S NO POSSIBLE WAY TO PUT TO THE SHED OR THE PROPOSED GARAGE BEHIND EXISTING GARAGE? >> I DIDN'T KNOW [OVERLAPPING]. >> I KNOW HE'D HAVE TO REDO THE DRIVEWAY AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS, BUT IT WOULD BE TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY BEHIND THE HOUSE. >> RIGHT. >> JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT EYES ON THE PROPERTY. >> IT GOES DOWN TO SWALLOW UP. WE'VE GOT A TOPOGRAPHICAL MAP BUT IT'S HARD TO [OVERLAPPING] GET WHERE EVERYTHING IS. >>THIS A BOARD CANNOT PUT ANY CONDITIONS ON IT IS WHAT I'M HEARING. I WAS THING AND THE SAME THING. >> [NOISE] I DON'T KNOW. >> HE IS TO KEEP THE TREE OUT. >> I'VE SEEN HIM TOO BEFORE IN OTHER LOCALES. >> IN OTHER LOCALES? >> DOWN GOES THE APPLICANT. >> WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER THAT WAS STATE REGULATION OR NOT. >> MY QUESTION ON THAT PIECE IS IS THAT WITH THE DEED? BECAUSE IF HE SELLS THE PROPERTY AND THE NEW OWNER COMES IN, HE CUTS ALL THE TREES DOWN. >> EVEN IF THE APPLICANT GOES IN AND CUTS DOWN ALL THE TREES, ONCE THEY'RE GONE, THEY'RE GONE. >> I CAN DO TO USE PERMIT. >> THAT GOES WITH THE PROPERTY IF SOMEBODY ELSE COME IN AND DO WHATEVER HE WANTS. >> COMES WITH THE DEED, BUT IT FLOWS WITH THE PROPERTY. >> IT FLOWS INTO PROPERTY REGARDLESS OF OWNERSHIP. >> BUT IT COMES ON THE DEED. >> YES, IT IS. >> I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WOULD CAUSE A DEED RESTRICTION. [OVERLAPPING] I GOT YOU. >> A VARIANCE GOES WITH THE PROPERTY, NOT WITH THE PERSON. >> OKAY. >> [NOISE] MR. JASON HAS SOME INFORMATION TO TAKE TO THE BCA. THERE WAS A HARDY DISCUSSION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, MAY BE HIS REPORT TO THE BCA. [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER]. >> STILL THE BOARD [NOISE] LEANS TOWARDS APPROVING IT. YOU CAN BRING UP, PULL IT UP, KEEPING IT BUFFERED OR SOMETHING. >> I MEAN, BROWN BEETLES COULD COME IN AND THEN YOU'D HAVE TO CREDIT DAY, BUT REQUIREMENT WOULD BE THAT HE HAS PUT SOMETHING BACK TO IT. >> KEEPING SOME BUFFER WOULD BE REASONABLE, I THINK. >> CHECK ON THAT, [NOISE] ABOUT THE NEXT MOVE. >> I'D CHECK ON THAT BUT I DON'T SEE ANY PROHIBITION TO IT AT THIS POINT WHEREIN IF HE DID GO IN, IF YOU MADE A CONDITION UPON THAT AND CUT THE TREES, HIS VARIANCE WOULDN'T BE ANY MORE GOOD. THE ENFORCEMENT ACTION WOULD BE TO REMOVE THE BUILDING. HE VIOLATED THE TERMS OF THE VARIANCE. >> DID YOU SAY HE HAD A PATH THERE OR HE PAY IT? YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> HE'S ALREADY CLEARED WHERE HE WANTS TO PUT IT. >> HE'S CLEARED, BUT IT'S NOT POURED IN THE SAME MANNER. >> NO. >> CORRECT, THAT'S WHAT I REFER TO AS A PAY. >> BCA DOESN'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO PUT DOWN SOME DISTANCE. THEY HAVE TO GO WITH WHAT THE APPLICANT WANTS TO DO. IS THAT CORRECT? I MEAN, THE APPLICANT WANTS TO DO THIS, YOU CAN'T SAY, YOU CAN DO IT, BUT YOU CAN'T DO THIS, YOU CAN'T DO [NOISE] THAT. YOU CAN'T DO BUT ALL THE PLAN. >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LAW SAYS. IF YOU CAN REQUIRE [OVERLAPPING]. >> MR. RILEY WILL FIGURE THAT OUT IN NEXT BCA MEETING. >> WHICH IS IN TWO WEEKS. >> TWO WEEKS. >> THAT IS SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO CHECK, IT SEEMS. >> WELL, LETTER E SAYS IN AUTHORIZING A VARIANCE, THE BOARD MAY IMPOSE SUCH CONDITIONS REGARDING THE LOCATION, CHARACTER, AND OTHER FEATURES OF THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE FOR USE AS IT MAY DEEM NECESSARY IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST, AND MAY REQUIRE, OR GUARANTEE, OR BOND TO ENSURE THAT THE CONDITIONS IMPOSED ARE BEING AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE COMPLIED WITH. THE BCA CAN IMPOSE CONDITIONS AND REQUIRE A BOND. >> ALL RIGHT, THERE YOU GO. I'LL ANSWER THAT. [BACKGROUND] [LAUGHTER] IS THIS BOARD? [01:55:03] WE HAD A GREAT DISCUSSION OR WE JUST TALKING TO TAKING THE ACTION? IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? >> WELL, I'M HEARING THAT WE'D LEAN TOWARDS FILLING NO ORDINANCE AND PUTTING IT INTO BACK, BUT YOU ALL MAY LEARN THINGS THAT YOU CAN'T PUT IT IN THE BACK. >> WHAT'S THIS TABLE [INAUDIBLE]? >> HE WOULD TELL THE BOARD THAT IT'S DRAIN FIELD AND AS WELL PROHIBITS HIM FROM DOING THAT. >> I CERTAINLY LEAN TOWARDS ENCOURAGING THE ENFORCEMENT EVEN IF YOU ALL DECIDE TO APPROVE IT. >> I DO TOO. >> AGAIN, COME UP WITH SOME CONDITIONS. >> AGAIN, VERY HARDY DISCUSSION [LAUGHTER]. >> THANK YOU. >> OKAY. DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU [OVERLAPPING] [INAUDIBLE]? >> A HARDER DISCUSSION. >> I LIKE THIS. >> ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ISSUE? BECAUSE ANYTHING ELSE NEEDS TO COME BEFORE SOMEBODY BEFORE WE ADJOURN. [NOISE] NONE? >> I'M BEGGING TO ADJOURN. >> YOU'RE BEGGING TO ADJOURN? WHO CAN SECOND? [NOISE] THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING TONIGHT. SAFE TRIP HOME. >> ALL RIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN. [OVERLAPPING]. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.