[I. CALL TO ORDER]
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LIKE TO WELCOME EVERYONE OVER HERE THIS EVENING.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
LET US PRAY. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY.
WE THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.
WE THANK YOU, LORD, FOR YOUR GRACE AND FOR YOUR MERCY.
AND, FATHER, WE PRAY NOW FOR OUR COUNTRY.
LORD, WE PRAY FOR THIS WORLD TONIGHT.
AND IT'S IN YOUR SON. JESUS NAME, WE PRAY.
AGAIN. WELCOME TO ANOTHER NOVEMBER MEETING AND I APPRECIATE MY BOARD MEMBERS BEING HERE.
WE HAVE A COUPLE ABSENT, BUT WE HAVE A QUORUM, SO WE'LL CONTINUE ON WITH OUR AGENDA. WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED OUR MINUTES FOR THE PAST MEETING YET.
[II. APPROVAL OF MINUTES ]
THEY'LL BE PROVIDED NEXT.THEY'RE AT YOUR PLACE SO YOU CAN TAKE THEM HOME AND APPROVE THEM NEXT MONTH.
RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO TAKE A FEW MINUTES HOME.
WE APPROVED THAT SET AND WE COME BACK AND DO SOMETHING.
AND SO NEXT MONTH YOU'LL HAVE THE OCTOBER AND THE NOVEMBER MINUTES.
ALL RIGHT. ITEM THREE IS PUBLIC COMMENT, PERIOD.
AND I'LL OPEN THAT UP AT THIS TIME.
IF ANYONE HAS ANYTHING TO COME BEFORE US OR YOU'D LIKE TO COME.
AT THIS TIME, YOU MAY COME FORWARD.
ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ON THEIR MIND? IF NOT. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
JUST LET EVERYONE BE AWARE THAT MR. [INAUDIBLE] IS WITH US ON THE TELEPHONE TONIGHT.
SO WE HAVE INDICATIONS THAT HE IS LISTENING AND HE'LL GET TO COMMENT.
AND MR. RAILA WOULD APPRECIATE YOU BEING WITH US ON THE TELEPHONE.
ALL RIGHT. MOVING RIGHT ALONG TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
[IV. UNFINISHED BUSINESS]
UNFINISHED BUSINESS.WE'LL WORK ON SOME UPDATES FOR OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND MS. LEWIS HAD ENCLOSED SOME OF THE LANGUAGE FROM OUR LAST PLAN AND SOME OF THE.
INFORMATION HAD BEEN CHANGED AS WELL AS I THINK [INAUDIBLE] KIND OF YOU HAD PUT IN SOME EXAMPLES, RIGHT? FIRST, YOU HAVE THE WHOLE LOT OF INFORMATION.
FIRST, YOU HAVE THE POPULATION CHAPTER, AND THAT'S JUST A RECITATION OF FACTS.
YOU'LL SEE THAT, OH, UP THROUGH WELL, FROM 1980 TO 2020, THE POPULATION IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY SHRANK SOME.
THE OTHER COUNTIES IN THE AREA GREW, BUT THAT'S TO BE EXPECTED.
AND RURAL COMMUNITIES THAT THE COMMUNITIES ARE SHRINKING IN POPULATION.
THEY ARE ALSO GETTING OLDER, THAT THE MEDIAN AGE IN 1970 WAS 25.7 YEARS.
IN 2020, THE MEDIAN AGE IS 46.9 YEARS.
AS POPULATIONS AGE, HOUSING NEEDS CHANGE AND EDUCATION NEEDS CHANGE AND SERVICE NEEDS CHANGE.
BUT MOST OF THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY THE POPULATION CHAPTER IS JUST A RECITATION OF FACTS.
HRPDC ESTIMATES BY 2050, THE POPULATION OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY WILL BE 17,429, WHICH IS ABOUT 500 LESS THAN IT WAS IN 2020.
SO. THAT'S THAT GOT ONE QUESTION.
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IS THE PRISON POPULATION PART OF THE COUNTY? IS THAT INCLUDED OR NOT? PRISON POPULATION IS OUT.IN THE PAST. BUT IS IT NOW? YES, IT WAS. BUT 1200, SOMETHING LIKE THAT ANYMORE.
IT'S OUT. RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT LED TO PART OF THE REDISTRICTING SITUATION.
RIGHT? BECAUSE NOW THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE PRISON SYSTEM ARE COUNTED AS LIVING WHERE THEY LAST LIVED BEFORE THEY WENT INTO THE PRISON SYSTEM.
SO IN LIGHT OF THAT, SHOULD WE CHANGE THE LANGUAGE OR IS THAT PERCENTAGE DIFFERENT? AND 1.5 I'M SORRY, THE BOTTOM OF 1.5,1-5, 8.1% OF THE COUNTY POPULATION INSTITUTIONALIZED.
WELL, IN 2020, I DON'T REMEMBER WHEN THEY CAME OUT OF THE COUNTIES POPULATION COUNT.
IN 2020. THEY MIGHT STILL HAVE BEEN, BUT NOW THEY ARE NO LONGER.
DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION, MR. RANDALL? YEAH. YOU MENTIONED THE PROJECTION.
WAS IT 2050? YES. THAT'S ON THE LAST PAGE.
WHERE? WHERE IS THAT? ON PAGE 1-7.
THAT'S WHEN EVERYTHING WAS UP THE LAST EIGHT OR SO DAYS.
YEAH, BUT SOMETHING DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT.
BECAUSE THERE'S 20 BECAUSE I'M JUST THINKING OF STATISTICS HERE.
SO THERE'S A 99% INCREASE IN SUFFOLK THAT'S CONTIGUOUS TO SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY.
AND I THINK THEY'RE USING MORE MEDIAN TRENDS.
I'M JUST THINKING OF THE THE RECORD GROWTH, RURAL RECORD GROWTH FROM ISLE OF WIGHT AND SUFFOLK.
AND IT REFLECTS IN THE POPULATION GROWTH.
YES. AND THEN TO SAY IN 2050, I MEAN, HOUSING, AS TECHNOLOGY IMPROVES THE COMMUTING TO JOBS.
I DON'T BUY THAT SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY POPULATION BECAUSE OF OUR POPULATION GROWTH, WHICH IS IMMIGRATION HAS A FACTOR. I MEAN HOW I, AND JUST IN THE WORKFORCE, THE PEOPLE THAT I SEE THAT ARE MOVING TO SOUTHAMPTON.
AND EVEN IF SOME OF IT'S SEASONAL OF RESIDENTS THAT ARE THAT ARE HERE, WHERE ARE YOUR KIDS GOING TO WORK IN SOUTHAMPTON THEY GO TO COLLEGE? NO, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT FROM A HOUSING WHERE WE'RE ACTIVE WITH SUCH A SHORTAGE, I MEAN, PEOPLE NOW CAN'T FIND A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING.
LET'S SAY THERE'S HOUSING FOR BETWEEN 90,000 AND 175,000.
AND I MEAN, I'M SEEING THAT IN MY PRACTICE WHERE PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO COME TO IVOR TO BOYKINS.
UM, SO I'M JUST POINTING THAT OUT FOR DEBATE AND PLANNING IS I DON'T BUY THAT POPULATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO SHRINK AND THAT'S WHY HRPDC AND THE WELDON COOPER CENTER DO PROJECTIONS EVERY FIVE YEARS.
SO WHAT THEY DO IS THEY LOOK TO THE PAST TO MAKE A PROJECTION FOR THE FUTURE.
BUT I DON'T THINK THEY PROBABLY PROJECTED 99% POPULATION GROWTH IN SUFFOLK.
NOW, I DON'T THINK THAT WAS PROBABLY PROJECTED, BUT THAT WAS A HOUSING BOOM.
THE BLEED OF WHAT'S GOING TO COME, WHAT'S WHAT.
BUT WE ARE WE DO HAVE AN ADVANTAGE THAT WE NEED TO ADJUST SOME PLANNING MANEUVERS.
WE WILL BE ON THE FRONT SIDE OF THAT.
BUT THE POPULATION ISN'T GOING UP.
BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PEOPLE ARE AGING.
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SO THE POPULATION AND THE EXISTING HOUSES IS GOING DOWN.HOUSES ARE THAT ARE DEEMED TOO DIFFICULT TO FIX OR TOO SMALL OR WHATEVER.
LAST YEAR, WE ISSUED PERMITS FOR OVER 70 NEW HOMES.
THIS YEAR IT'LL BE OVER 100 NEW HOMES.
BUT THAT'S NOT NEW POPULATION.
THE POPULATION NUMBERS AREN'T GOING UP.
THERE'S 2.5 PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THOSE HOUSES, BUT THEY'RE COMING FROM ELSEWHERE IN THE COUNTY AND OTHER PEOPLE ARE PASSING AWAY AND MOVING AWAY. SO BUT THAT'S WHY PROJECTIONS ARE DONE EVERY FIVE YEARS.
AND ANOTHER GOOD STATISTIC WE CAN PULL FROM IS JUST CHILDREN'S SCHOOL.
THAT'D BE A GOOD INDICATOR, TOO, AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
RIGHT. AND THAT'S THE CHAPTER THAT YOU'LL GET NEXT MONTH.
AND FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, SCHOOLS BEEN WHAT WERE THE SCHOOLS TO THAT NUMBER MAY BE ACCURATE, BUT WITH THE COVID EVERYBODY, THERE'S A LOT OF HOME SCHOOL AND ONLINE TRUE SCHOOLING.
NOW THAT WOULDN'T GO INTO THOSE NUMBERS.
THAT'S TRUE. AND IN TWO YEARS, THE THE SCHOOL SYSTEM LOST 200 STUDENTS.
THE SCHOOL SYSTEM TODAY IS 200 STUDENTS SMALLER THAN IT WAS TWO YEARS AGO.
SO. WHEN THEY DO PLANNING, THEY CAN'T LOOK TO THE RECENT PAST.
THEY CAN'T LOOK TO THE MOST RECENT PAST.
THEY CAN'T LOOK TO THE PAST TWO YEARS.
THEY HAVE TO LOOK FURTHER BACK THAN THAT.
AND HRPDC WHEN THEY DO POPULATION PLANNING, THEY WERE SAYING FOR MILITARY, THE MILITARY GROWTH HAS BEEN UNUSUAL FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
SO THEY GO BACK TO 2018 AND 2019 RATHER THAN 2020 AND 21 TO LOOK AT THEIR PROJECTIONS.
SO ALL THE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO BE UNUSUAL.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A STRETCH OR NOT.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF I AGREE WITH THAT OR NOT.
I THINK WE'LL GET MORE BLUE COLLAR WORKERS HERE AND WHITE COLLAR WORKERS MYSELF.
AND FOR TRANSPORTATION PLANNING PURPOSES, THEY'RE LOOKING AT MORE PEOPLE WORKING FROM HOME.
HRPDC IS LOOKING AT MORE PEOPLE WORKING FROM HOME.
SO THESE ARE VERY UNCERTAIN TIMES.
NOW, LAST MONTH, YOU ASKED FOR INFORMATION ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN.
SO I FOUND SOME INFORMATION FOR YOU FROM NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES OR COMMUNITIES IN THE AREA ABOUT HOW THEY DO CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT AND RURAL DESIGN.
ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WHEN YOU DO RURAL DESIGN AND THAT YOU CLUSTER THE HOMES TOGETHER AND PUT THEM ALL BEHIND SCREENING AND ALL, YOU TAKE A LOT MORE LAND TO BUILD THE SAME NUMBER OF HOMES.
SO IT'S JUST KIND OF A TRADE OFF.
AND THE LAND THAT YOU'RE NOT BUILDING ON NEEDS TO BE HELD IN SOME SORT OF CONSERVATION EASEMENT.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT WILL CONTINUE TO BE USED FOR AGRICULTURE.
BUT YOUR CURRENT RURAL RESIDENTIAL ZONING DESIGNATION, WHICH PERMITS ONE HOME ONE LOT FOR THE FIRST 25 ACRES AND ONE LOT FOR EACH ADDITIONAL 40 ACRES.
BUT THE LOTS CAN BE NO BIGGER THAN FIVE ACRES THAT CONSERVES THE PARENT TRACT.
THE LARGER PART OF THE PARENT TRACT TO CONTINUE TO BE USED IN AGRICULTURE AND FORESTRY.
NOW, YOU COULD USE A CLUSTER THAT'S A THIRD CHOICE.
RIGHT, BUT YOU'RE STILL NOT, THAT'S IN RIGHT IN THE COUNTY'S CLUSTER ORDINANCE.
THAT LAND IS STILL USED IN AGRICULTURE OR FORESTRY, BUT IN OTHER NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES, THAT CLUSTER SUBDIVISION, THAT UNDEVELOPED LAND IS HELD IN A CONSERVATION EASEMENT.
SO IT'S NOT ESPECIALLY USED FOR AGRICULTURE, BUT YOU DO HAVE MAPS AROUND.
THAT'S THIS MAP THAT OPENS UP THAT GREENISH GRAY LINES ARE SEWER AND THE BLUE LINES ARE WATER.
SO YOU SEE THAT THAT MUNICIPAL WATER IS AVAILABLE AND DREWRYVILLE THAT BOYKINS-BRANCHVILLE
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NEWSOMS AREA SOME PARTS OF COURTLAND.AND THEN THERE ARE PRIVATE WATER SYSTEMS LIKE I-4 HAS ONE, BUT IT'S NOT PRIVATE.
BUT IT'S A COMMUNITY SYSTEM, [INAUDIBLE] HAS ONE.
DARDEN MILLS HAS ONE, COURTLAND HAS SOME LIMITED WATER.
SO I LOOKED AT AREAS AROUND THE COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE WATER AND SEWER AVAILABLE SHOULD YOU WANT TO CONSIDER A MIXED USE.
IF YOU WANT TO CONSIDER NEIGHBORHOODS WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE MR. CHESSON WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT HAVE SMALLER LOTS, SIDEWALKS, WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOODS, MAYBE SOME LIMITED COMMERCIAL OR NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE COMMERCIAL MIX, THEN YOU MIGHT WANT TO PUT IT IN AREAS AROUND THE TOWNS.
THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, OF COURSE, ISN'T IN EFFECT IN THE TOWNS.
THEY HAVE THEIR OWN COMPREHENSIVE PLANS.
BUT YOU DO HAVE INFLUENCE OVER THE AREAS AROUND THE TOWN.
SO THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO CONSIDER.
AROUND DREWRYVILLE AND AROUND NEWSOMS, AROUND BOYKINS AND AROUND BRANCHVILLE.
BUT IF SOMEONE WANTED TO DEVELOP.
IT HAS, WELL, IT SAYS, DAVID'S NOTES UP THERE.
THEY HAVE A WELL, A COMMUNITY.
WELL, IT FILLS THE WATER TANK LIKE I-4, RIGHT? YES. BUT YOU DON'T CONSIDER THAT THAT THE COUNTY DOESN'T CONTROL THAT.
THE COUNTY DOESN'T CONTROL THAT.
SO IF YOU WANTED TO ENCOURAGE SOME SORT OF MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT IN AREAS WHERE WATER AND SEWER CAPACITY COULD BE CREATED AND COULD BE EXTENDED, THEN MAYBE IN THOSE AREAS AROUND AREAS THAT ALREADY HAVE SOME WATER AND SEWER MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
BUT I THINK AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
BETWEEN A SOLAR PROJECT, A POTENTIAL PROJECT IN THE TOWN.
YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO PUT MEASURES IN PLACE, I THINK THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE THE TOWNS TO MAYBE REVITALIZE.
IT TAKES A POPULATION TO DO THAT.
I THINK THAT I JUST HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE CONTINUING TO PUT THE INDIVIDUAL HOUSES. I SUPPORT THE CONTRARY.
YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT WILL TAKE PLACE IN THE NEXT 50 YEARS, 100 YEARS.
BUT WE'VE GOT TO START ALL OVER WITH OUR ROAD SYSTEM.
YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU HAD TO TRAVEL THREE MILES TO JUST REALLY GET ONE AIR MILE, SO TO SPEAK, BECAUSE JUST WHERE THE ROADS ARE, THEY WERE SET UP YEARS AGO AND THE ROADS ARE GETTING CONTINUE TO DETERIORATE.
WE HAVE HAD SOME BRIDGES REBUILT, WHICH IS GOOD.
I DON'T KNOW. I THINK AS WE GO FORWARD, YOU KNOW, TO GET AN UPPER HAND, WE NEED TO DO MORE, HAVE MORE MEASURES IN PLACE FOR PLANNING NEIGHBORHOODS IN THESE TOWNS.
AND MAYBE I KNOW THE MAYOR OF NEWSOMS HAS TRIED TO GET, LIKE, A FAMILY DOLLAR.
I DON'T KNOW. WE HAVE THE POPULATION.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE A WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A GENERAL STORE IN [INAUDIBLE] ANYMORE.
HEY, MRS. UPDIKE. WE FINALLY HAD A HALF A DOZEN WHEN WE WERE YOUNGER.
UM. BUT, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO REVITALIZE THESE SETTLEMENTS.
AND MAYBE SOME OF THE OLD BUILDINGS IN THE MEANTIME COULD BE TAKEN DOWN.
THAT'S ONE THING ABOUT NEWSOMES.
WE HAD A MAKEOVER, WHAT, ABOUT FIVE, SIX YEARS AGO MAYBE.
THERE ARE A LOT OF THE OLD WAREHOUSES OPEN UP DILAPIDATED BUILDINGS, BUT CLEAN ALL UP, YOU KNOW.
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BUT IT HADN'T BEEN ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION YET.BUT, YOU KNOW, NEWSOMS HAS WATER AND SEWER.
AND WE HAVE A RAILROAD AND WE'VE GOT 671.
I MEAN, THE LITTLE TOWN HAS A LOT GOING FOR IT.
IT'S LIKE OTHER TOWNS IN THE COUNTY HELL.
BUT I THINK WE NEED TO IF WE COULD PUT MAJOR TO ENCOURAGE.
THE NEW PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO COME.
LIKE I SAID, I MEAN, SUFFOLK TO ME IS BOOMING.
I'M LIKE YOU, MR. RANDALL. AND LIKE, THERE'S A LOT OF NEW CONSTRUCTION.
IT'S GOING TO BLEED OVER IN SOUTHAMPTON.
AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE US MAKE.
I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT SOME OF OUR EASTWOOD NEIGHBORS, I THINK, HAD NOT.
IT HAPPENED SO QUICK. THEY DIDN'T GET A HANDLE ON IT, EVIDENTLY, UNLESS THEY DO THE SAME MISTAKE.
SO HOW CERTAIN OCCURRED, MRS. LEWIS I WOULD, AND I WELCOME ANYBODY ELSE'S COMMENTS.
THE TOWN AND PROBABLY IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAYBE HAVE A PHILOSOPHICAL.
YOU KNOW SOMETHING IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
BUT WE HAVE A NEW WATER SYSTEM IN COURTLAND.
IT SURE MAKES SENSE TO ME THAT THERE WOULD BE A FOCUS, I GUESS, POLITICALLY AND ADMINISTRATIVELY.
LET'S JUST USE, FOR EXAMPLE, SOUTHAMPTON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN THE FOCUS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS TO TARGET THESE AREAS TO GET OUR WATER SYSTEM THAT IS NOT OPERATING EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE TO CAPACITY, 25%, WHICH IS WHICH IS LOSING MONEY FOR THE TAXPAYERS.
TO KIND OF PUSH THAT AREA FROM AN ECONOMIC FROM A TO MAKE IT EASY.
HEY, THIS IS WHERE WE WANT THE HOUSING, RIGHT? AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, SOMETIMES WE HEAR THINGS THAT ARE COUNTERINTUITIVE.
WE CAN JUST SAY, WELL, THIS MAKES FISCAL SENSE BECAUSE WE PUT THE WATER IN, THEN WE CAN'T SAY, WELL.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE HARDWARE AND THE SOFTWARE.
YOU KNOW, I'VE SAT HERE AFTERWARDS AND REFLECTING ON THINGS.
SOMETIMES PEOPLE COME IN HERE TO SELL US THINGS THAT OPTICALLY ARE NOT.
VERY. SO HOW DO YOU ENTICE SOMEBODY I GOT AN IDEA. LET'S JUST GO AHEAD.
IF A BUILDER WAS COMING TO SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY AND LOOKING TO BUILD A HOUSE, HE'S PROBABLY LOOKING AT AN $8,000 WELL AND A 10 TO $20000 SEPTIC SYSTEM.
IF THE COUNTY IN THE AREAS WHERE WE HAD WATER AND SEWER AVAILABLE COULD OFFER A CONNECTION CHEAPER. AND I MEAN DIRT CHEAP.
YOU WANT YOUR TAXES TO DOUBLE.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE MOST EXPENSIVE THING YOU PUT IN, MY FRIEND.
I'M NOT. YOU DON'T PUT SOMETHING IN UNLESS IT'S GOING TO PAY YOU BACK.
AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I'M GETTING AWAY FROM.
PHILOSOPHICALLY, THE TOWN'S IS A GREAT IDEA, BUT MAYBE WE SHOULD TAKE A SMALLER BITE AND LOOK AT THE WATER SYSTEM RIGHT THERE ON 58 THAT HAS EASY IN AND OUT ACCESS AND THEN PUT THOSE AREAS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT AND TAKE SOME SMALL BITES AND FOCUS ON LET'S GET IT AT CAPACITY.
AND THEN AFTER THAT HAPPENS, STEP ONE, YOU LOOK STEP TWO AND STEP THREE.
AND I MEAN, ISN'T THAT MORE REALISTIC WHEN WE LOOK WHEN WE LOOK AT THE HOUSING IN ISLE OF WIGHT AND SUFFOLK, PITCH KETTLE, LOOK THERE, LOOK AT THE PLATS THAT'S IN OFF CAROLINA ROAD RIGHT NOW BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET ON THE HIGHWAY QUICKLY.
DRIVE ON AVERAGE, IT'S 30 TO ALMOST 50 MILES NOW TO COMMUTE TO WORK.
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58 IS A CORRIDOR TO THAT.I THINK THAT WATER SYSTEM IS THE ELEPHANT.
IF YOU LIVE IF YOU LIVE IN THE CITY OF NORFOLK.
YOU'RE GETTING OUT OF THERE BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T WANT TO BE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU WANT TO GET OUT AND HAVE A LITTLE PIECE OF THE COUNTRY.
PEACE AND QUIET. GET AWAY FROM THE TRAFFIC.
THEY WANT A PIECE OF THE COUNTRY.
YOU LOOK AT THE PEOPLE ON THE MOVE.
NOW THAT WE'VE GOT ABOUT 3000 PLATTED LOTS IN THE COUNTY ALREADY.
YEAH, BUT THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT BETHEL FARM LOTS.
THERE ARE LOTS THAT ARE THAT ARE NOT DESIRABLE.
AND FROM A YOUNG FAMILY'S PERSPECTIVE.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN? BETHEL FARM LOVES THEM? WELL, A NEW PLANTED SUBDIVISION THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, I GUESS.
THEY'RE NOT LOOKING FOR A $500,000 HOUSE.
A NEW FAMILY IS LOOKING AN AVERAGE INCOME IS GOING TO BE 60,000 SO THEY CAN AFFORD.
THAT IS WHAT THE HOUSING SHORTAGE SHOWS RIGHT NOW.
AND I THINK IF YOU TRIED TO GET THOSE ACRE LOTS OR TWO ACRE LOTS OR WHATEVER, AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT I DO IS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I THINK WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH THAT TYPE OF HOUSING PROJECT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S SELLING RIGHT NOW.
THE STUFF WE MENTIONED ALL WE HAVE PLENTY OF LOTS.
THAT'S NOT VIABLE IF WE'RE TRYING TO FUND OUR WATER SYSTEM.
PEOPLE WANT TO A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, WITH NO ONE AROUND.
THEY WANT SOME TYPE OF NEIGHBORHOOD AND SOME PEOPLE ARE THE OPPOSITE.
BUT THAT'S WHAT'S GOING UP RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT'S WHAT I TRY TO LOOK AT, TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO WHILE WE HAVE CONTROL, NOT WHEN THINGS SPIRAL OUT OF CONTROL AND THEN WE'RE FORCED TO DO THINGS. ONE IDEA, LOOK AT THE BACK OF SHANDS.
THERE'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF LAND BACK THERE.
I'M ASSUMING THAT'S GOT WATER, SEWER TO IT, CORRECT? MR. RAILEY? YES.
DOWN TO THE END OF YOUR FLOODWAY.
YOU KNOW, FLOOD. FLOOD. THAT'S WHAT CUTS OFF THE BACK CHANNELS.
CONSERVATION OF FLOODPLAIN BACK THERE.
AND SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD BACK THERE.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PROPERTY THAT PEOPLE APPLY TO PUT 45 ACRES OF SOLAR PANELS ON SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THAT WAS JUST OFF. FLAG [INAUDIBLE] ROAD AND BEHIND THE HISTORICAL MUSEUM.
THAT MAY BE A VERY APPROPRIATE PLACE.
THAT MAY BE A VERY APPROPRIATE PLACE TO ENCOURAGE.
100 AND A QUARTER TO 150,000 RANGE.
THAT MIGHT BE A VERY APPROPRIATE PLACE TO ENCOURAGE.
A WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD STARTER HOME NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THE COST THE PROXIMITY IS SO IMPORTANT BECAUSE LOOK AT FLAG IRAN WHERE IT WAS IT THEY COULDN'T MAKE MONEY SO THE SO THEY START THEN THEY DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AND THEN THEY WALK AWAY AND THEN IT'S.
WHAT? CRICKETS AND TUMBLEWEEDS FOR 20 YEARS.
THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THAT IF WE PROMOTE IT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN NEAR THE WATER, THAT YOU'RE TAKING, THAT SIGNIFICANT COST FOR BOTH THE BUYER AND THE DEVELOPER, BECAUSE THE BUYER, IT HAS TO BE SUSTAINABLE.
IT HAS TO BE WHAT A CAPITALISTIC PRINCIPLE.
HE'S NOT DOING IT TO GIVE IT AWAY.
HE'S DOING IT TO MAKE A PROFIT MARGIN OFF EACH HOUSE OR LOT 20 SOME AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT HE'S PROJECTED BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE GUYS THAT MR. RAILEY REPRESENTS AND I REPRESENT IS THEY'RE PROJECTING FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, TEN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD TO GET THESE PROJECTS DONE TO HIRING THE
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ENVIRONMENTAL AND DOING THE THE THE WETLANDS DELINEATION AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.SO IT'S A HUGE INVESTMENT THAT THEY'VE GOT PROJECTS YEAR AFTER YEAR.
FOR A BUILDER LOOKING AT THE PROJECTIONS FOR 2050, OUR POPULATION IS GOING TO GO DOWN RIGHT? WOULD YOU INVEST ON SPEC HOUSES IN OUR COMMUNITY KNOWING THE POPULATION IS GOING TO GO DOWN? I DON'T THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY POPULATION.
THEY'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING WHERE THEY ALMOST ABSOLUTELY NO, BECAUSE THEY'RE USING A BANK STUDY.
SO WOULD YOU DO A PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP? GET THE COUNTY INVOLVED WITH DEVELOPERS DOING THAT OR THE COUNTY STAY OUT OF IT.
I DON'T KNOW. I THINK YOU NEED I THINK YOU NEED A PARTNERSHIP WITH.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PHILOSOPHICAL VIEW, I THINK, FROM FROM AN AREA.
AND THEN I THINK YOU CAN GET FRANKLIN SOUTHAMPTON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, JUST AS SUFFOLK ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS FOCUSED ON JOBS WITH THE THE WAREHOUSES AND THE PORT.
THAT'S BEEN A 20 YEAR PROJECT.
I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT THAT FOR 20 YEARS AND NOW IT'S STARTING TO REALLY GAIN MOMENTUM.
BUT I THINK YOU REALLY KNOW WHAT YOUR MARKET IS AND IF YOU'RE ABLE TO DO IT.
AND I THINK IT STARTS WITH THE.
YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT AN OFFICE IN DOWNTOWN SUFFOLK.
LET ME TELL YOU FROM A TECH STANDPOINT.
HOUSES DO NOT PAY FOR THEMSELVES.
FOR EVERY HOUSE THAT PAYS IN A DOLLAR, THE COUNTY SPENDS $1.34 BACK.
HOUSES DO NOT SUPPORT THE TAX BASE.
WE NEED THE COMMERCE AND THE INDUSTRY.
WE DON'T NEED THE HOUSES TO PAY FOR.
EVERY. POLITICALLY WE BUILT A WATER SYSTEM THAT WE DIDN'T NEED.
WHAT WE NEED. I AGREE FOR THAT SYSTEM.
SO, YOU KNOW, 1000 HOUSES DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
BUT YOU GET THE COMMERCE IN HERE AND YOU GET THE INDUSTRY AND THE PLACES WE WANT.
WE BOUGHT MORE LAND THERE AND WE GOT THE EXCESS WATER.
YOU GET THE BUSINESSES AND THE INDUSTRY IN HERE.
THAT'S WHERE YOU GET YOUR TAX MONEY.
WE'RE GOING TO GET $400,000 A YEAR FROM A NEW BUSINESS, A NEW INDUSTRY COMING IN HERE PRETTY SOON.
THAT'S TRUE. THAT'S WHERE YOU.
THE ONLY WAY TO TAKE THAT BURDEN IS GET THE COMMERCE BUSINESSES, THE INDUSTRY IN HERE.
BUT YOU GOT TO LOSE YOUR SHIRT ON THIS QUESTION.
HOW ARE WE LOSING OUR SHIRT WITH THE WATER SYSTEM? I MEAN, I'M THAT'S WHY WE WE NEED A BIG INDUSTRY WITH INDUSTRY COMES IN THERE AND SAYS YOU KNOW [INAUDIBLE] I ANY PLACE IN THIS COUNTY I'LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW AND THEY COULD HAVE ALL THE WATER THEY WANT.
I COUNTED I THINK 31 FOR HIRE SIGNS OUT IN THE LAST MONTH.
SO IF YOU GET INDUSTRY HERE, WE CAN'T FILL THE JOBS THAT ARE THAT ARE OPENING.
WE'RE TRYING TO PUSH THEM TO PUSH THIS TYPE OF TRAINING.
YOU KNOW, AND THE SCHOOLS JUST DROPPED OUT WITH LITTLE MONEY THAN SCHOOLS ANYMORE.
THEY USED TO BE A THRIVING THING IN THE SCHOOLS.
SO WE NEED TO PUSH THE SCHOOLS TO PUT THAT BACK IN.
NOW WE'RE RELYING ON THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE.
THANK THE LORD FOR THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE.
DON'T GET ME WRONG, THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE IS A GODSEND.
WELL, AND I THINK WHAT MR. DAY WAS SAYING, OR MAYBE NOT, BUT I THINK IT'S OUR JOB TO PLAN FOR BOTH.
IT GOES HAND IT GOES HAND IN HAND.
WHEN YOU GET I'M YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE PEOPLE TO FILL THE JOBS.
I MEAN, BECAUSE LIKE BUT YOU'VE GOT TO GET THE BUSINESS HERE FIRST.
MR. SMITH NOT GOING TO COME HERE THINKING, OKAY, MAYBE IN FIVE YEARS I'LL GET A JOB HERE.
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I DON GOT TO BE HERE FOR HIM TO MOVE HERE.RIGHT. AND THERE ARE THERE ARE 20.
BUT THEN WE HAVE A BUSINESS AND A CAPITALISTIC PRINCIPLE FOR DEVELOPMENT, AND WE SELL THEM.
NO, WE CAN'T SAY NO ALL THE TIME.
YEAH, BECAUSE THE HOME OWNERSHIP, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I THINK IT GOES HAND IN HAND WITH COMMERCE AND RESIDENTIAL, BECAUSE EITHER WE'RE GOING TO BE A BED AND BREAKFAST COMMUNITY OR WE'RE GOING TO HAVE INDUSTRY.
SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYONE LIVING HERE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PUT THEIR BUSINESS HERE.
NUMBER ONE, THEY LOOK AT SCHOOLS AND I GO HAVE THEIR EMPLOYEES COME HERE AND BE UNHAPPY AT SCHOOL.
THEN THEY LOOK FOR THE PEOPLE TO WORK.
AND I THINK. I THINK THAT'S THE.
IT ALL HAS TO WORK TOGETHER. AND IT GOES BACK TO WHAT THE FIRST COMMENT WITH ME.
WE'VE GOT AN ADVANTAGE BECAUSE WE'RE ON THE FRONT SIDE OF THIS CIRCLE BEING FORMED.
SO WE GOT TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO ENCOURAGE THESE TYPES OF GROWTH.
SO. JUST FORCES ARE DOING A GREAT JOB OF PUTTING FORTH THREE.
INDUSTRIAL IS A THREE POINT INDUSTRIAL PARK AREAS THAT WE HAVE.
THERE ARE TWO. TWO ONE ROAD BIGGER.
WE JUST WE JUST ACQUIRE ANOTHER TWO OR 300 ACRES THAT WE GOT PLENTY OF ROOM.
IT'S. IT'S IT'S A LONG, DRAWN OUT PROCESS.
MAY TAKE A YEAR JUST TO GET ALL THE PAPERS DONE.
AND THEY COME AND THEY LOOK AROUND.
THEY CAN ONLY STAY HERE FOR 30 MINUTES.
AND YOU CAN BELIEVE ALL THE RULES THAT THEY GO THROUGH AND SEE.
WE HAVE WE HAVE A FULL TIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT WORKING FOR US IN FRANKLIN FULL TIME.
UM. MR. CARL CARL, WHO WAS HERE AND WORKED FULL TIME.
I THINK THAT COUNT, I'M NOT SURE.
I THINK WE PAY ABOUT 150,000 A YEAR, OUR SHARE OF IT, SOMEWHERE AROUND THAT.
BUT IT'S DIFFICULT, VERY DIFFICULT TO DO.
IT'S I MEAN, IT'S ONE OF THE MOST DIFFICULT THINGS YOU'LL TRY TO DO.
THEY COME HERE AND THEY THEY'RE APPLYING FOR 15 OTHER PLACES.
OKAY. AND THEY GO TO GO FOR THE BEST DEAL.
YOU DON'T CHECK ALL THE BOXES. THEY'RE GOING TO GO WHERE THEY CAN AND CHECK THE BOXES.
YOU GOT TO HAVE THE WORKERS TO.
YEAH, BUT YOU GOT TO HAVE TO WORK TOO.
SO AGAIN, IT GOES HAND IN HAND.
I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THOSE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS LIKE MR. RANDALL SAYING THAT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR WATER SYSTEM.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO DESIGNATE AREAS FOR THOSE COMMERCE PLACES BECAUSE WHEN THEY LOOK AT.
I'M JUST USING SMALL SCALE LIKE DOLLARS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A NUISANCE.
WE NEED 2000 PEOPLE OR WE'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD IT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, HE'S COME UP WITH A.
IT'S FOR THE RESIDENTS THEY GO LOOK AT NEWSOMS THEN THEY COULD PUT A DOLLAR GENERAL THERE.
THEY CAN'T MAKE A PROFIT THERE.
AND THE BUSINESS USED TO BE A NEWSOMS. AND THEN SADLY, YOU KNOW, WALMART EVERYTHING AND THE FRANKLIN.
AND THEY CAN'T COMPETE WITH THESE PEOPLE.
THEY CAN'T BUY GOODS AT WHAT WALMART CAN BUY THEM FOR.
YOU KNOW, AS I RIDE AROUND THE COUNTY, I SEE MORE SELF BALING COTTON MACHINES.
IS THAT WHAT THEY'RE CALLED? I SEE LARGER PEANUT PICKERS.
I'M ASSUMING, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FIND LABOR, CORRECT? SO. YEAH. SO WHERE ARE Y'ALL GETTING YOUR LABOR FROM? YOU HAVE TO GO TO BIGGER MACHINES.
IT'S JUST. IT'S THE SIZE OF THE MACHINE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE LABOR FORCE IS AT.
HAVE WE EVER HAD, LIKE, A JOINT MEETING WITH, LIKE, MAYBE SOME OF THE MAYORS FROM THE INCORPORATED TOWNS TO MAYBE GET IDEAS OF WHAT THEY SEE IN THEIR AREA SINCE THEY LIVE IN THOSE AREAS? NO, WE HAVEN'T.
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WHOEVER, AND THEN USE THAT AS A BASIS TO FORMULATE HOW WE WANT TO LAY THINGS OUT.AND HAVING AND COORDINATING THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLANS WITH THE COUNTY.
SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THE VISION.
AND IN THIS MOST RECENT VERSION, THEY PERMITTED THE COUNTY TO PUBLISH THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLANS ON THE APPROPRIATE PAGES, ON THE MAPS IN THERE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW UP TO DATE THEY ARE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN THEY LOOK AT THEM.
I DON'T YOU KNOW, BUT HAVING A MEETING WITH THE MAYORS IS A VERY GOOD IDEA.
SOME OF THOSE TIMES HAVE A POST OFFICE.
SEVERAL OF THE TOWNSHIPS HAVE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
SEVERAL TOWNS HAVE WATER SYSTEM.
YOU DID. EVEN THOUGH THE POPULATION OF THE TOWNS HAS DEMISED OVER THE YEARS.
UM, IT'S IT'S, IT'S STILL KIND OF A CENTRAL FOCUS OF THAT REGION, THOSE LITTLE TOWNSHIPS.
SO I JUST FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW.
ONE OF OUR PURPOSES, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IS TO ENHANCE THOSE TOWNSHIPS.
IT'S NO NEED TO ME BECAUSE DAY TO GO OUT.
ADD YOUR WAY BY SEARCH CIRCLE AND FORMULATE A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THAT TO ME WOULD BE RIDICULOUS.
I MEAN, WOULD YOU AGREE? I MEAN, IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A NEIGHBOR FORM A NEIGHBORHOOD OR GROWTH AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A NEWSOMS AREA, OF COURSE.
IT NEEDS TO BE IN THAT ZONE AROUND THAT TIME SHOP.
AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE NEED AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND NOT TAKE UP, DO EAT UP, GOBBLE UP ALL THOSE ACRES FOR HOMESTEAD.
A 25 ACRES AND YOU GO PUT A HOUSE ON.
THAT'S JUST THAT'S A WASTE OF THE LAND.
TO ME, THAT WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES WITH THE SOLAR PROJECTS.
IT WAS SO MUCH WASTE IN THOSE PROJECTS.
WHAT REASON? I DIDN'T LIKE IT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T UTILIZE THE SPACE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN A GREAT DISCUSSION.
AND IF YOU THINK YOU ALL AGREE THAT MAYBE WE GET TO.
LEADERSHIP AT THE TIME, I THINK MOST ALL THE TIMES HAVE A MAYOR OR SOMEONE.
THING IS ONLY TO WAS IT SADLY AND NEWSOMS HAS A MAYOR THE SIX INC TOWNS EACH HAVE A MAYOR.
AND DREWRYVILLE IS NOT A TOWN, IS IT? ANY KIND OF ORGANIZATION, ANY KIND OF GOVERNING? ORGANIZATION INSTEAD OF ROME.
AND SADLY, I THINK THEY HAVE SOME SORT OF IT'S SORT OF LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OR SOMETHING.
THEY'RE THE ONES THAT PUSHED FOR THE GOLF CARTS.
SO THERE'S SOME SORT IT MIGHT BE A SPOKESPERSON MIGHT BE INVITED FOR THAT.
JUST KIND OF GET A FEELING LIKE THEY HAVE A MAYOR.
ONLY THE SIX TOWNS HAVE MAYORS.
BUT I DEFINITELY THE INPUT WOULD BE VERY WORTHY OF A MEETING.
SO THAT HAS A WATER SYSTEM, BUT THAT IT'S PRIVATELY RUN, RIGHT? RIGHT, EXACTLY. BUT IT'S CAPE BRETON.
CORTLAND DREWRYVILLE BRANCH, VAL BOYKINS, I'VE, WARREN NEWSOMS THEY ALL HAVE MAYORS.
BUT FROM THE SCHOOLS. I MEAN, THE WE DON'T HAVE CENTER ANYMORE.
ESSENTIALLY GONE. IT WAS THRIVING AREA WHERE KIDS LEARN ELECTRICITY, PLUMBING, BRICKLAYING, CARPENTRY, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. IT'S GOING.
I THINK IT'D BE GOOD TO HAVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAID, LOOK, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS.
CALL IT LOW TECH, RIGHT? YES. YEAH.
SO IT'S BEING FUNDED, BUT IT'S GOING.
NOT BEING USED. THE FUNDING IS ALREADY THERE FOR.
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SO I THINK SOMEBODY NEEDS TO SPEAK UP AND SAY, LOOK.WE WANT THIS PROGRAM STARTED THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE COUNTY WANTS IT. I MEAN, AT ONE TIME IT WAS IT WAS.
UH, KIDS WERE LEARNING THE BRICK MASONS, CINDERBLOCK, MASON.
CARPENTRY, ELECTRICIANS, PLUMBERS CAME OUT OF THERE, AND THEY GOT GOOD JOBS.
IT'S GONE. MR. TENNESSEE, WHO WAS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, GOT HIS VASEY THROUGH.
THAT'S RIGHT. VOCATIONAL SCHOOL AT SOUTHAMPTON HIGH SCHOOL.
COULD WE. COULD WE PRESENT A RESOLUTION? BUT THAT'S. NO, NO.
WE SUGGESTED BOTH SUPERVISORS TO LOOK INTO IT.
MAYBE THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE APPROPRIATE.
I AGREE. I DIDN'T REALIZE THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING THERE ANYMORE.
BUT IT'S I THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHOULD TAKE THE BULL BY THE HORNS AND START PUSHING THAT.
IT'S A. IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE BOARD INVOLVED, THE BOARD IS INVOLVED.
BUT. I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE POLITICS OF IT, BUT ONCE WE GIVE THE MONEY TO THE SCHOOLS, WE HAVE NO CONTROL THEREOF.
WE GIVE 60% OF YOUR TAX MONEY TO THE SCHOOLS EVERY YEAR AFTER THAT.
WELL, NEXT MONTH YOU'LL HAVE THE EDUCATION CHAPTER TO LOOK AT.
SO THAT MIGHT BE A VERY GOOD TIME TO DISCUSS CHANGES THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD LIKE THE SCHOOL BOARD TO LOOK AT LIKE THE VOCATIONAL SCHOOL AND SOMETHING FOR A STATEMENT FORWARD.
VOCATIONAL VOCATIONAL TECH CENTER WAS THE SENATOR.
I MEAN, WE ALL ARE KIND OF TO GROW.
THIS IS WHERE IT STARTS OUT, YOU KNOW? RIGHT. BUT I THINK CHAD BROCK IS ACTUALLY TECHNICALLY IN CHARGE OF THE BOUTIQUE.
SO MAYBE IF WE'RE GOING TO BRING THAT FORWARD, MAYBE WE CAN CALL HIM TO COME AND SAY, HEY, WHAT ARE THEY OFFERING AND WHAT ARE THEY NOT OFFERING TO GET INSIDE? VIEW OF IT. AND JUST TODAY, THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, DONALD GOODWIN, FOUND THE PROGRAM THROUGH THE INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL, WHERE THEY HAVE A PROGRAM THAT GOES INTO THE HIGH SCHOOLS AND TO THE VOCATIONAL SCHOOLS AND PROVIDES TRAINING, CODE TRAINING FOR STUDENTS.
AND IT WOULD BE BOTH THE PHYSICAL PART, LIKE THE PHYSICAL PLUMBING PART AND THE UNDERSTANDING THE PLUMBING CODE, SO THEY CAN WORK UNDER THE CODE AND THEY PROVIDE FUNDING AND MATERIALS AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
AND HE SENT THAT TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM YESTERDAY OR TODAY.
INTRODUCING THEM TO THE PROGRAM AND ASKING IF THEY WOULD LIKE SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.
BUT, YOU KNOW MR. GOODWIN IS IN HIS MID SIXTY'S.
AND THERE ISN'T ANYONE COMING UP TO TAKE THEIR PLACE.
SO IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND TRADESPEOPLE.
SO I KIND OF KNOW THE EFFECTS OF IT.
BUT TEN, 15 YEARS AGO, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
THE MS PROGRAM AT THE VO TECH.
YEAH. I THINK THE FIREFIGHTING.
YEAH, I CAN'T THINK OF THE CATEGORY.
ANYWAY, WE'VE DONE IT, FRANKLIN.
THEY ACTUALLY TOOK A BUS TO FRANKLIN TO DO THE STUDYING OR MAKE THE CALLS AND GRADUATE THEM.
BUT A LOT OF. A LOT I EXPECT FOR NEWSPAPERS THIS WAY.
THEY'LL SERVE ALL STUDENTS OR MEMBERS OF NUISANCE FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT WENT THROUGH THAT TRAINING AND THEY GOT THEIR INITIAL START THERE AND SERVE ALL OF THE ONES THAT NEWSOMS TODAY.
THEIR PRIMARY OCCUPATION IS IN SUFFOLK, CHESAPEAKE, IN VIRGINIA BEACH.
THAT'S THEIR PRIMARY JOB IN THE EMS SERVICE.
AND I STILL COME BACK TO NEW ORLEANS AND VOLUNTEER THERE.
HOW DID SOME OF THESE PROGRAMS WORK? AND I'M SURE WITH THE PLUMBING AND THE VAC AND THE BRICK LAYING.
I HAD ONE OF ONE OF THE FELLOWS THAT LIVED CLOSE TO ME.
HE DID A BRICKLAYER AND HE WENT TO A STEAK COMPETITION.
AT ONE. HE WENT TO RICHMOND AND COMPETED ON THE STATE LEVEL AND WON THE COMPETITION.
AND WHO CAN YOU GET LAID BRICKS TODAY? IT'S BEEN 30 YEARS AGO.
IT'S BEEN LIKE 20 YEARS, MAYBE MORE.
BUT. YOU ALSO SEE A BRICK BRICK HOUSE GOING UP TODAY? I DON'T HAVE ANY. THOUGHT THAT'S THE HEART.
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AREA. HE BECAME AN INSPECTOR A FEW YEARS AGO AS HIS KNEES WERE GIVING OUT AS HE GOT OLDER.AND HE IS STUDYING TO BE YOUR NEXT BUILDING OFFICIALS.
WE LOOK WE FOLLOW THROUGH THE MR..
SO NEXT YEAR YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT EDUCATION AND SPECIFICALLY VOCATIONAL EDUCATION WITH MR. BROCK AND YOU WANT A WORKSHOP WITH THE MAYORS? YES. THAT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD PLAN FOR THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.
NEXT MONTH, MR. TENNESSEE WILL BE HERE WITH HIS FAMILY.
AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP, MR. BANNON'S WORLD AND MAYOR OF NEWSOME, HE WILL SERVE ON THAT LITTLE COMMITTEE FOR NEWSOMS. HE HAD GLADLY ACCEPTED THAT.
THE RESIDENT REPRESENTATIVE FROM NEWSOMS OK.
ALL RIGHT. IN FACT, THIS HAS BEEN A GREAT DISCUSSION TONIGHT.
ANYTHING ELSE? I KNOW THIS WOULD BE KIND OF A SHORT MEETING WITH MS..
MS.. LEWIS IS GOING TO BE GOING TO CARRY SHE'S GOING BACK HOME TONIGHT.
SO WE'RE GOING TO UNLESS WE NEED TO GO FORWARD.
IS ANYTHING ELSE WE'LL DISCUSS.
AND YOU ALSO HAVE A COPY OF A DECOMMISSIONING STUDY THAT WAS JUST COMPLETED.
[VII. FYI]
I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT FIND IT INTERESTING BECAUSE JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING THEY RECOMMEND FINANCIAL BEST PRACTICES FOR VIRGINIA LOCALITIES IS IN YOUR ADOPTED ORDINANCE.YOUR DECOMMISSIONING SAYS IT NEEDS TO BE READY FOR THE NEXT PLANTING SEASON AFTER DECOMMISSIONING.
AND THIS RECOMMENDS THAT THEY SAY THAT IT BE RETURNED TO ITS PREVIOUS PRODUCTIVITY LEVEL.
SO BUT EXCEPT THAT I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD EVER GET BACK TO ITS PREVIOUS PRODUCTIVITY LEVELS, BUT THAT WAS JUST AN FYI.
IT WAS IT WAS WAS PUBLISHED IN AUGUST.
I DIDN'T GET IT UNTIL A FEW WEEKS AGO.
AND, YOU KNOW, WITHIN WEEKS OF ALL YOUR WORK, SOMEBODY PUT IT ALL IN ONE PACKAGE.
THEY GOT A LETTER ON THAT. IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN MIGHT HAVE BEEN WATCHING THIS.
YES. SO I COMMEND THIS GROUP FOR THEIR COMMENTS.
YES. SO CHESSON OF THE POPULATION CHAPTER.
I GUESS WHAT WE'RE WE'RE KIND OF TAKING THIS BIT BY PIECE.
YES. AND KIND OF PUT IT TO BED AND THEN WE'LL ADOPT THEM ALL TOGETHER.
THE ONLY THING I WOULD RECOMMEND IS MAYBE ON THAT THAT THE INSTITUTIONALIZED POPULATION IS MAYBE ADD A SENTENCE TO EXPLAIN.
RIGHT. WHY THAT WOULD BE, WHY DECREASED.
WELL, WAS 8.1 OR WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE GOING FORWARD.
OKAY. WE'LL FOR THE RECORD, 20 YEARS NOW, THEY MIGHT NOT KNOW WHY.
THAT'S A GOOD OBSERVATION. ANYTHING ELSE? SO I'M NOT RUSHING YOU.
TAKE THE TIME. I THINK I THINK NEXT MEETING WILL BE VERY IMPORTANT TO GET SOME OTHER IDEAS BROUGHT FORWARD AND SEE WHAT SAY WITH THE TOWN COUNCILS AND THE MAYOR, YOU KNOW, SEE WHAT WHAT THEIR FEELINGS ARE.
AND BECAUSE SOME OF TIMES HAVE THE LITTLE STORES, I SAY LITTLE IF I HAD THE DOLLAR AND THE DOLLAR GENERAL AND UM, I THINK I'LL SEE THE IT STAYS BUSY.
I THINK I THINK I'LL SEE IF THE MAYORS CAN COME AFTER THE HOLIDAYS NEXT MONTH WE'LL HAVE EDUCATION AND MR. TENNESSEE. ANYTHING ELSE WE'LL DISCUSS TONIGHT.
SHOULD WE SAY GOODBYE TO MR. RAILEY? THEY HAVE A GOOD THING TO ME.
ALL RIGHT. WELL, IT'S NOTHING ELSE.
IT'S NO, NO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND NO.
ALL RIGHT. AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN OUR PACKET.
LIKE I SAID, I THINK SOMEBODY WAS OBSERVING OUR DECOMMISSIONING.
PRETTY MUCH. COPY IT. BUT ANYWAY.
IF WE DON'T SEE EACH OTHER IN THE MEANTIME, EVERYBODY HAVE A NICE THANKSGIVING BEFORE YOU KNOW IT.
CAN'T BELIEVE THANKSGIVING IS ALL.
BE SAFE IN THE WOODS AND GO HUNTING.
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START COMING UP.SOCIAL SECURITY. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR DAY.
YOU ARE BLOWING LIFE.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.