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WELL, WE ALREADY HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE GO TO HERE TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
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I'D LIKE TO HEAR, TOO. BUT IF WE'RE UNLESS THE REST OF THE BOARD NOW, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO HEAR THAT, THEN YOU GO AND EVERYBODY ELSE IS GOING.[1. Conduct Closed Session]
WE HAVE TO BE FAIR.WE HAVE TO LET EVERYBODY ELSE HERE TOO.
AND MR. BROWN'S COMMENTS MAY BE ABOUT YOUR SECOND.
THE SECOND STEP HE'S REFERRING TO RATHER THAN THE FIRST STEP.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR? WE HAVE MR. DANIELS HERE, I BELIEVE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE WORK LONG YEARS TO GET THIS STARTED.
AND WHAT IT DOES, IT PROTECTS FARMING.
IT PROTECTS AGRICULTURE AND FORESTRY.
AND ALSO THERE'S SOME PROTECTION FOR THE FARMERS AND THE FOREST, THE FARMER.
IF ANOTHER BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WOULD COME ALONG AND WANT TO GET RID OF LAND USE TAXATION.
THESE PEOPLE ON THIS WOULD HAVE A TEN YEAR STAY OF EXECUTION.
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THEY COULDN'T BE TOUCHED FOR TEN YEARS.SO THAT'S ALL GEARED TO PROTECT FARMING.
FARMING IS OUR NUMBER ONE INDUSTRY IN THIS COUNTY.
WE HAVE THE MOST PRECIOUS FARMLAND, CROP LAND, PROBABLY MAYBE IN THE COUNTRY.
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GOES RIGHT INTO AND RIGHT INTO NORTH CAROLINA.AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THIS LAND WAS THAT WE GOT TOGETHER AND DID THIS.
AND SO THE OPTION WAS TO PROTECT THE FORESTER AND THE FARMER AND PRESERVE THIS LAND.
SOMEDAY WE'RE GOING TO GET HUNGRY.
SO WITH THAT IN MIND, THIS I, I FEEL, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A NOBLE THING, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SAY, BUT I HAVE MY PROBLEMS. I HAVE WITH IT, TO BE HONEST, IS ONE OF THE MANDATES TO WITHDRAW THE LAND.
FROM DISTRICT SAYS IT CANNOT BE THROUGH SPECULATION.
I THINK THAT'S NUMBER FOUR ON THE LIST OF FOUR.
AND THIS LAND WAS CLEARLY BOUGHT WITH SPECULATION TO DO THIS PROJECT.
THAT'S THE REASON I'M AGAINST IT.
AND THE OTHER THING IS, IF YOU LISTEN TO THE CITIZENS WHO LIVE THERE, THEY THE LANDOWNERS.
I HAVEN'T HAD A SINGLE ONE THAT WAS FOR THIS.
MOST OF THEM ARE ADAMANTLY AGAINST IT.
SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ANYBODY ELSE.
HE MORE CLEARLY OUTLINED WHAT THE AREA THAT WAS GOING TO BE.
YES, HE VERY CLEARLY OUTLINED THE AREA THAT WAS GOING TO BE USED.
IT'S 119 ACRES, 119 ACRES, BUT ONLY 5.51 ACRES WILL BE USED FOR THE..
WOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE DISTRICT.
SO THIS APPLICATION BE APPROVED.
THE OTHER 114 ACRES WOULD REMAIN IN THE VOLUNTARY AGRICULTURE DISTRICT.
RIGHT. SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A VERY SMALL AMOUNT HERE.
AND I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO PROTECT FARMLAND.
FARMING IS VERY IMPORTANT, BUT THAT'S NOT THE ONLY ISSUE.
WE HAVE TO INCORPORATE EVERYTHING THAT IS FOR THE GOOD.
AND I CONSIDER THIS A VERY GOOD PROJECT.
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AND I JUST THINK THIS IS VERY GOOD, A VERY, VERY GOOD MERIT.I THINK WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR AG AND FORESTER DISTRICTS.
WHO'S GOING TO BE THE ACTUAL OWNER OF IT? IS IT GOING TO BE OWNED BY LAND FOR HEROES INCORPORATED OR OWNED BY CHARITY? WHICH AS AN UPDATE, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THE QUESTION IS NOW EXPANDED TO INCLUDE AN ADVISORY BOARD.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE.
YEAH. I'VE GOT A I'VE GOT A QUESTION.
IT'S GOING TO BE OWNED BY LAND FOR HEROES? YES. WHO PAYS THE BILL? THE CHARITY, YOUR HONOR. EXCUSE ME.
LAND FOR HEROES. WELL, THERE'S NO ONE INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBLE.
IT'S ENCAPSULATED IN A WHAT? IT'S A 501C3, AN INDEPENDENT ENTITY. 501C3.
SO THIS MOVE, IF WE APPROVE IT, FALLS INTO A 501C3.
YES, SIR. I BELIEVE THAT THIS WOULD BE BONDED ON THE PROPERTY AS WELL WERE THEY TO TRY TO DO ANY USE THAT WOULD OUTSIDE OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WHICH WOULD BE NON CHARITABLE THAT WOULD KILL THE PERMIT.
SO I THINK THERE'S SOME CONCERN.
WHAT I'VE HEARD THROUGH SOME OF THESE MEETINGS, THAT THERE WOULD BE AN ATTEMPT TO GAIN THE PERMISSION FROM THIS BOARD FOR THIS PARTICULAR USE AND THEN GO AND CHANGE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH IT.
I BELIEVE THAT ANY USE OTHER THAN THE CHARITABLE USE SET FORTH IN THE APPLICATION WOULD CAUSE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO CEASE IN EFFECT.
THERE WOULD BE NO CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ANYMORE.
SO IT HAS TO BE FOR THE CHARITABLE USE AS SET FORTH IN THE APPLICATION.
WHAT'S TO KEEP YOU FROM COMING BACK THREE YEARS FROM NOW AND WANT TO EXPAND ANOTHER TEN ACRES OR WHATEVER? WELL, I THINK THE FIRST THING THAT WOULD KEEP US FROM COMING BACK DOING THAT IS I ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER'S NO, FIRST OF ALL.
BUT I DON'T SEE ANY FUTURE NECESSITY FOR THAT.
I CAN'T IMAGINE THE WHOLE PURPOSE.
AND IT WAS ACTUALLY PART OF THE LAND SALE.
THE WHOLE PURPOSE HERE IS TO PRESERVE AS MUCH OF THE AGRICULTURAL LAND AS POSSIBLE.
THE THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME OBVIOUSLY TREES THAT HAVE TO BE CUT DOWN, BUT.
THERE IS A BALANCE THAT LAND FOR HEROES SEEKS TO STRIKE BETWEEN BUILDING THIS PLACE WHERE VETERANS CAN GO OUT TO THE COUNTRY AND BE OUT IN NATURE AND RELAX AND PRESERVING THE EXISTING CHARACTER AND STAYING WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD A FACTORY OUT HERE BUILDING THE COUNTRY AND BACK IN THE WOODS.
I DON'T RECALL EXACTLY THE TERM OF IT AT THIS POINT, BUT LAND FOR HEROES INTENDS TO RENEW THE FARM LEASE AND SO FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS TO INCLUDE THAT IT'S FINANCIALLY BENEFICIAL TO LAND FOR HEROES TO CONTINUE THESE FARMING OPERATIONS.
SO. I THINK THERE'S NO REASON TO COME BACK AND ASK FOR MORE.
AND I DON'T THINK IT'D BE A GOOD IDEA TO COME BACK AND ASK FOR MORE.
I GET ALL THAT. BUT WHY WASN'T THIS IN THE FIRST PROPOSAL? THE WHY WASN'T WHAT IN THE FIRST PROPOSAL EXACTLY? WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO TONIGHT.
WELL, IF YOU SEE WHERE IN THE FIRST PROPOSAL.
SO WHY DIDN'T YOU SEE IT AND INCLUDE IT IN YOUR BUSINESS PLAN? I'M NOT SURE WHAT I DIDN'T INCLUDE.
THE LODGE HASN'T MOVED AT ALL.
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE AN AFTERTHOUGHT TO ME.
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AND THAT LEADS ME TO THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME MORE AFTERTHOUGHTS.I HAD A PHONE CALL TONIGHT FROM A CONCERNED CITIZEN WHO THAT'S WHAT THEY CALL THEMSELVES.
WHO IS THE CONTACT AT WALTER REED? THAT WAS MENTIONED BEFORE, AND I CAN'T READ MY WRITING.
AND WHO WILL BE COMING UP WITH THE LIST OF VETERANS? SO I DON'T KNOW WHO THE CONTACT IS AT WALTER REED..
AND WHO SCREENS THE VETERANS TO SEE WHO COMES? THE WOUNDED VETERANS RELIEF FUND IS GOING TO BE HELPING WITH THAT.
MIKE DIRK, HE IS, I BELIEVE, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THAT FUND.
JIM HART, STEVE DANIELS, WHO IS GOING TO HELP US, THE BUILDER, MICHAEL STURGIS, WHO IS A 9/11 SURVIVOR AND A FORMER COMMANDER OR CHIEF OF A FIRE DEPARTMENT IN NEW YORK CITY AND SEAN ADAMS, AND WHO DOES THE CLEARING FOR THE FIRST RESPONDERS? SO PART OF THE CLEARING IS GOING TO BE INTERNAL.
SO I THINK WE HAVE MS. JACOBS HERE. SHE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THE ADVISORY BOARDS.
WELL, I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE RESPONSIVE TO A QUESTION OF THE BOARD.
OKAY. CAN I ASK YOU ONE QUESTION? THIS PROPERTY WAS BOUGHT ON SPECULATION, IS THAT RIGHT? I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE ACCURATE. THAT'S ONE THAT'S NUMBER FOUR IN THE RULES AND REGULATIONS NOT TO REMOVE OUT OF THOSE DISTRICTS.
THAT'S MY POINT. I'M BRINGING IT UP.
SO IF WE DO THIS FOR YOU, THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IT FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.
SIR. IS THAT RIGHT? YOU THINK SO? PRECEDENT.
AN A LEGAL TERM IS SOMETHING THAT'S BINDING.
AND I WOULD HAVE THE ATTORNEY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
WE'D HAVE A MORAL OBLIGATION THAT.
I STILL THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERY PROPOSAL BEFORE US ON ITS MERIT.
AND IF WE SEE NO MERIT IN IT, WE DENY IT, IF WE SEE MERIT IN WE APPROVE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT.
WE'RE CONSIDERING THIS THING, ABSOLUTELY NONE OTHER THAN THIS RIGHT HERE.
GOOD EVENING, AS HE SAID, MY NAME IS AMANDA JACOBS BALLARD, AND I'M ACTUALLY FROM NORTH CAROLINA.
BUT I WORK FOR A BREWING COMPANY HERE IN CHANTILLY, VIRGINIA.
SOMEBODY ASKED ME A QUESTION, AND MY PRIMARY THING HERE TONIGHT IS I'M A GOLD STAR MOM.
MY SON, LANCE CORPORAL LEVI, WAS KILLED IN COMBAT.
WHAT WAS THE QUESTION THAT YOU WERE ASKED? THAT THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT HOW THE VETERANS AND STUFF WOULD BE SCREENED.
SO I REACH OUT TO THESE FAMILIES SOMETIMES ON A DAILY BASIS, SOMETIMES JUST WHEN YOU SEE IT ON THE NEWS THAT THEY'VE LOST SOMEONE IN COMBAT, THEY'VE LOST THEIR HUSBAND, THEIR CHILD, THEIR BROTHER, THEIR SISTER.
AND I TALK TO THEM TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO THEY NEED? AND THROUGH OUR BREWING COMPANY, WE TAKE A PERCENTAGE OF OURSELVES SALES TO GIVE BACK TO WOUNDED VETERANS AND FAMILIES OF THE FALLEN.
SO CURRENTLY I HAVE OVER A THOUSAND NAMES AND FAMILIES THAT I'M IN CONTACT WITH THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA, MY PHONE, JUST TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE OKAY.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS I WILL TELL YOU.
SCREENING THEM IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU'RE BRINGING SOMEONE INTO A FACILITY TO DO SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAVE TO HAVE MEDICATION, THEY'RE THERE, THEIR MEDICATIONS THERE, AND YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE ON STAFF THAT CAN HANDLE ANY PTSD MOMENTS OR OUTBREAKS.
SO THROUGH THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT I WORK THROUGH, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT.
WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO BRING THOSE RESOURCES IN.
AND I HAD TO GO TO GERMANY FOR 30 DAYS.
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AND WHEN I GOT THERE, I ONLY HAD 15 MINUTES TO TELL MY SON I LOVE HIM, LET HIS BROTHERS TALK TO HIM.AND HE WAS GONE. WHEN I CAME BACK HOME TO TWO LITTLE BOYS THAT LOST THEIR HERO, WHAT WERE THEY GOING TO DO? AND DURING THAT TIME, I MET COLTON JAMES AND JUST THE GENTLEMAN THAT WAS WITH MY SON THAT SERVED.
HE LOST BOTH HIS LEGS FOUR DAYS AFTER MY SON DIED.
WE JUST KIND OF THOUGHT, WHAT COULD WE DO? WHAT COULD I DO? SO WHAT DID I START DOING? EVERY DECEMBER, STARTED ON DECEMBER THE SIXTH.
MY SON WAS SHOT ON DECEMBER 7TH.
HIS MARINE BROTHERS COME TO MY HOUSE.
I HAVE 20 TO 30 MARINES IN MY HOUSE FOR FIVE DAYS.
MAJORITY OF THEM, THEY DON'T WANT TO HUNT.
NOBODY IS TELLING US THAT THEY HATE US.
BUT JUST A MOMENT TO RECONNECT BECAUSE THEY WENT FROM EIGHT YEARS, 20 YEARS OF BEING RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER, SLEEPING IN DIRT WITH EACH OTHER, TO NOW THEY'RE SCATTERED ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
I HAVE GUYS THAT COME FROM OKLAHOMA, NEW YORK CITY, ALASKA, THAT COMES TO MY HOUSE, AND EVERY YEAR IT'S MOM, YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE LOOK FORWARD TO THIS AND HOW MUCH YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH I NEED IT.
AND THEY'VE BEEN THE BEST BIG BROTHERS TO MY NOW SOON TO BE 21 YEAR OLD AND 25 YEAR OLD SON AND THE BEST UNCLES TO THREE GRANDCHILDREN THAT WILL NEVER KNOW THEIR UNCLE JACOB PHYSICALLY.
BUT THEY KNOW WHO HE IS BECAUSE OF THESE GUYS.
AND TO BE ABLE TO SAY TO THEM, HEY, IN A COUPLE OF YEARS WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO UP TO VIRGINIA AND JUST ENJOY A WEEKEND OF SITTING BY THE BONFIRE TALKING.
BACK IN APRIL, WE MET WITH BEAR TASTE BREWERY UP IN LOUDON COUNTY, NORTHERN VIRGINIA.
THEY INVITED ALL THE GUYS THERE.
AND AGAIN, IT WAS JUST THE CAMARADERIE OF NOBODY WAS ASKING THEM WHAT HAPPENED, WHAT DID THEY DO? JUST LET'S ENJOY EACH OTHER.
SO THESE EVENTS I'M COORDINATING ALL THE TIME WITH DIFFERENT.
ORGANIZATIONS TO BRING MARINES IN AND TO BRING FAMILIES IN.
TAPS OUT OF WASHINGTON, D.C., THE TRAGEDY ASSISTANCE PROGRAM FOR SURVIVORS.
THEY BRING THESE FAMILIES TOGETHER.
AND MY CHILDREN HAD BEEN A PART OF IT FOR SIX YEARS.
AND EVERY YEAR, YOU KNOW, MOM, THIS IS THE ONLY TIME WE FEEL NORMAL.
AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S ABOUT, IS GIVING OUR HEROES NORMALCY, THEIR NEW NORMAL.
I HAVE A NEW NORMAL FOR THE PAST 11 YEARS.
AND AS I STATED IN A NEWS CONFERENCE JUST A FEW YEARS AGO, MY SON DIED FOR $14,562.32 A YEAR.
AND THAT FLAG MEANS SOMETHING TO ME.
AND TO SEE AN ATHLETE KNEEL, TO SEE SOMEONE STEP ON THE FLAG.
THEY HAD HOPE THAT THEY WERE GOING TO GO HOME.
MY SON HAD HOPE BECAUSE 15 DIFFERENT GUYS MADE SURE HE DIDN'T LAY IN THE DIRT IN AFGHANISTAN.
I GOT TO GO AND LISTEN TO MY SON'S HEARTBEAT ONE LAST TIME.
AND FIND OUT IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY THAT HE WAS AN ORGAN DONOR.
SO, YOU KNOW WHAT? THERE ARE SEVEN PEOPLE ALIVE TODAY BECAUSE HE DIDN'T GIVE JUST ONCE.
HE GAVE SEVEN TIMES HIS HEART STILL BEATING.
AND ALL THE VETERANS THAT CAME HOME I PARTICIPATED IN TRYING TO HONOR FLIGHT WHEN THEY TOOK ALL THE WORLD WAR TWO VETERANS THEY COULD FROM GREENSBORO, NORTH CAROLINA, UP TO D.C.
I DON'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF, BUT YOU'RE GETTING BEYOND THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED.
THE QUESTION IS WE DO HAVE A WAY TO FILTER THROUGH IT.
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BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES IT'S JUST THAT PEOPLE REACH OUT AND SAY, HEY, I HEARD THAT YOU HAVE AN ORGANIZATION THAT I CAN BRING OUR FAMILY TO.AND OF COURSE, ONCE WE DO, WE GIVE THEM AN APPLICATION TO FILL OUT.
AND THAT'S A PROCESS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK ON WHAT'S GOING TO BE APPLICABLE.
OUR VETERANS DESERVE THAT, I SAY TO THEIR FAMILIES.
THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DO. MA'AM, IF YOU WOULD.
WHEN WERE YOU CONTACTED BY COLTON? I'VE KNOWN COLTON FOR ABOUT EIGHT YEARS.
TO COME HERE FOR THAT? I WAS ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO BE BACK HERE AT YOUR MEETING IN AUGUST, AND THAT WAS WHEN IT WAS PUSHED OUT TO SEPTEMBER. WHEN WERE YOU CONTACTED ABOUT COLTON, REGARDING WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH TONIGHT? I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HERE THE PAST TWO MEETINGS, BUT YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT TONIGHT I'VE KNOWN ABOUT THIS FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS.
NOW, I THINK I CAN BUILD ON THAT ANSWER THAT IF THE COMMISSIONER WOULD LIKE TO HEAR IT.
YES, SIR. THE ADVISORY BOARD WAS A PRODUCT OF CONCERNS RAISED.
BUT THIS WAR ABOUT THE LACK OF EXPERTISE AND PRIOR KNOWLEDGE OF RUNNING A CHARITY.
AND SO IN ORDER TO ALLAY THAT CONCERN, THE ADVISORY BOARD WAS CONSTRUCTIVE.
AND SO THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING WE CAME INTO THIS APPLICATION WITH.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS COME INTO BEING SINCE THEN, GIVEN THE LEGITIMATE CONCERNS OF THIS BOARD.
WELL, IT BOTHERS ME THAT NOW HEARING AND I FORGOT YOUR NAME ALREADY.
AMANDA BALLARD. AMANDA BALLARD.
UM. IT BOTHERS ME THAT WHAT I JUST LISTENED TO IS A COMPLETELY OVERHAUL OF WHAT WAS PRESENTED, BECAUSE THE APPLICATION THAT I WAS APPRAISED OF AS A MEMBER OF THIS BOARD WAS A HUNTING A WAY OF USING HUNTING AS A PSYCHIATRIC HELP, PUT IT THAT WAY.
HUNTING AND THE FISHING AND THE CAMPING.
. BUT THEY THEY WANT PEACE AND QUIET AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN THE MIDDLE WITH 119 ACRE PROPERTY WITH 25 DEER HUNTERS.
AND BUT THAT'S WHERE YOU WOULD COME IN AS AN ADVISORY IF YOU'RE BRINGING IN A GROUP, THAT'S.
WOULDN'T YOU ADVISE THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT PLACE FOR THE CLIENTELE THAT YOU CATER TO? NO, SIR. BECAUSE THE SIMPLE FACT OF WHEN YOU'RE MEETING THREE THROUGH THE APPLICANTS THAT'S GOING TO COME IN FOR A WEEKEND OR WHATEVER, YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE DURING HUNTING SEASON BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT WANT TO COME DURING HUNTING SEASON, THEY MAY WANT TO COME, YOU KNOW WHAT WANT.
BUT ONCE YOU OPEN UP THAT YOU'VE GOT FIRING RANGES AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF THAT MIGHT BE ADDED.
I'M WHAT I WHAT I SEE TONIGHT.
I'M LOOKING TO CONSIDER AN ADD ON AND AND IT COULD CHANGE IN ANOTHER MONTH OR TWO. AND FROM WHERE YOU OPERATE, YOU'RE DEALING WITH A WHOLE OTHER CLIENTELE THAN THE ONE THAT WAS PROPOSED TO US IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROCESS.
LOOK. DO YOU HAVE THOSE VETERANS? YES, MA'AM. NEVER SAW COMBAT THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME AND HUNT.
YOU WOULD NEVER MIX THEM IN WITH ONES THAT.
AND THAT'S MY AND THAT'S MY POINT.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE ADVISORY BOARD, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE APPLICATIONS AND THOSE SUBMITTING, HEY, WE WANT TO DO AN EVENT OR WE'D LIKE TO BRING IN THIS GROUPING, YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT AND CHECK.
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BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH MY SON HEARD ALL THE SHOTS AND STUFF AFTER HIS FIRST DEPLOYMENT, THAT DIDN'T STOP HIM FROM HUNTING, BUT HE DIDN'T LIKE GOING WHEREVER THERE WAS FIRECRACKERS.OF THE SOUNDS OF WHAT WOULD BE HAPPENING.
BUT I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, AS A MOM, A GOLD STAR MOM, SOMEONE THAT DEALS WITH VETERANS AND KNOWS HOW THEY RESPOND AND WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO AND WHAT THEY NEED ON A DAILY BASIS.
I THINK THIS WOULD BE A GOOD FIT FOR THE COUNTY.
IT WOULD HELP, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE BRINGING PEOPLE IN FOR TOURISM AND SO FORTH.
AND I HEARD WHAT YOU SAID, TOO, ABOUT THE HUNTING AND FISHING AND ALL OF THIS.
BUT TONIGHT, I JUST HEAR YOU SAYING THAT THE VETERAN POPULATION MIRRORS THE POPULATION, PERIOD.
AND YOU HAVE PEOPLE OF ALL DIFFERENT INTERESTS.
YES. HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU HAVE THERE AT A TIME? ABOUT 24 PEOPLE.
OKAY. AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE THEIR FAMILIES.
SO YOU MAY HAVE FOUR VETERANS THAT WILL HAVE THEIR SPOUSE AND KIDS THERE.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO OFFER THEM AS MANY ACTIVITIES.
YES. AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE HUNTING, THE FISHING, THE QUIET, THE WHATEVER.
QUIET, THE ARCHERY, YOU KNOW, JUST DIFFERENT THINGS, JUST TO GIVE THEM SOME PEACE AND QUIET AND JUST RECONNECTING WITH THEIR FAMILIES OR RECONNECTING WITH A BROTHER FROM, YOU KNOW, A COMBAT SITUATION THAT THEY HAVEN'T SEEN.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. DANIELS. YES, MA'AM.
WE WERE TOLD THAT COLTON JAMES'S FAMILY WOULD BE DOING CLEANING AND THE LOCAL SUPPORT.
RIGHT. BUT WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR STAFF? SO AS FAR AS FUNDING THE BIG SOURCES, WE'VE GOT ROUNDUP PROGRAM FROM AUTOMOTIVE SERVICE ASSOCIATION.
THAT'S WHEN YOU GO TO MECHANIC SHOP.
YOU SEE THE ASA STICKER THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE ROUND UP CONCEPT, YOU KNOW.
THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT SOURCE OF FUNDS.
OF COURSE, WE TALKED ABOUT MR. DAWSON, WHO HAS BEEN THE MAJOR FINANCIAL BACKER TO GET THIS STARTED.
HE WAS THE GENTLEMAN WITH THE HORSE THAT WON THE KENTUCKY DERBY.
AND SO IT'S THE CONCERN ISN'T NECESSARILY FUNDING.
I SUPPOSE MAYBE THE CONCERN WOULD BE WHO WOULD VOLUNTEER.
I HATE TO HAVE TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS, BUT HAVE THE BOOKS BEEN SETTLED WITH THE COUNTY FROM MR. COLTON. NO KNOWLEDGE OF BANKRUPTCY.
THE TREASURER IS HERE OR HAS SHE LEFT? SO THERE ARE A LOT OF PROBLEMS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN SETTLED.
WE GAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR TWO MONTHS IN A ROW TO SQUARE THIS PROPOSAL.
IT HAS NOT BEEN SQUARED, MA'AM.
AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR HEART OF VETERANS.
I THINK EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM DOES.
I DO. I MEAN, THE POSITION YOU'RE IN, I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT YOU WENT THROUGH.
FOR THE COUNTRY AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT YOU'VE WALKED INTO A SITUATION THAT HAS NOT BEEN SETTLED.
AND AS THERE'S BEEN, THEY PROBABLY DIDN'T TELL YOU THIS.
I DON'T KNOW. I'M KIND OF ASSUMING SOME THINGS HERE.
BUT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SETTLED AND IT WASN'T.
AND THAT'S VERY TROUBLING FOR ME.
AND THEY HAD 60 DAYS TO SQUARE THIS PROPOSAL WITH THE COUNTY.
I WAS HOPING THEY WOULD DO THAT, BUT THEY DIDN'T DO IT.
THE BENEFACTORS, THE PEOPLE FINANCING THIS.
DO THEY EVEN KNOW THE DEBT THAT'S OWED TO THE COUNTY?
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AND AN APPLICATION TO BECOME A 501 C THREE WOULD LEAVE US HOLDING THE BAG.AND TO MAKE NO EFFORT TO SQUARE THINGS, TO SET THIS UP AS A SUCCESS HAS SIMPLY NOT HAPPENED.
AND I'M SORRY THAT YOU WERE YOU PROBABLY DIDN'T KNOW ALL THIS.
MY MAIN LIKE I SAID EARLIER, MY GOAL..
I UNDERSTAND.. ALWAYS OUR VETERANS ARE TAKEN CARE OF.
AND THE COMPANY I WORK FOR, AUTO BREWING, WE'RE HELPING SPONSOR TO DO THINGS TO RAISE MONEY.
WE HAVE OUR CHARITY TAP [INAUDIBLE] THAT WE DO.
SO I KNOW MONEY WOULD BE COMING IN FROM THEM..
BUT YOU WERE NOT AWARE OF THESE THINGS.
THANK YOU. ARE YOU AWARE OF THEM NOW? NO. SO WHAT ARE YOU AWARE OF? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE AMOUNT IS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
PAY YOUR BILLS. PAY YOUR TAXES.
WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LAND FOR HEROES, THE ENTITY OR AN INDIVIDUAL.
THERE ARE OUTSTANDING TAXES FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
FOR WHAT ENTITY. FOR THE INDIVIDUAL WHO.
THE QUESTION I'VE GOT IS WHO IS GOING TO BE IN CHARGE OF THE MONEY WHEN THIS HAPPENS? THAT'S WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM WITH THE INDIVIDUAL NOT PAYING HIS BILLS.
RIGHT. SO IS THE ENTITY DO YOU ALREADY HAVE SOMEBODY LINED UP TO HANDLE THE MONEY? SO. TELL THE BOARD WHAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED.
THERE IS NOT BEEN A HANDOVER OF POWER TO THE BOARD, WHICH IS WHY IT'S AN ADVISORY BOARD RIGHT NOW.
WHAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED IS DEVOLVING POWER FROM MR. JAMES COMPLETELY TO THE BOARD.
BUT HE'S ON THE BOARD RIGHT? HE WILL NOT BE ON THE BOARD.
ALL I'VE HEARD IS IT'S A GENTLEMAN WHO HAD THE WINNING HORSE IN THE KENTUCKY DERBY THIS PAST YEAR.
WHERE IS HE? WHERE IS THE LETTER FROM HIM? WHERE IS HE TONIGHT? HE IS IN FLORIDA.
WELL, HE'S NOT INTERESTED ENOUGH TO SHOW UP OR WRITE A LETTER? I BELIEVE HE'S DOING SOME SORT OF VETERANS BENEFIT IN FLORIDA, I DO NOT HAVE. I HAVE HEARD WE HAVEN'T HEARD ONE WORD.
THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO HE IS.
I UNDERSTAND. YOU KNOW HIS NAME.
DO YOU KNOW HIS NAME? RICK DAWSON, AS I HAVE SAID IT.
WHAT'S HIS NAME? DO YOU KNOW HIS NAME? RICK DAWSON.
ALL RIGHT. WHY ARE THEY HERE? WHY HAVE WE HEARD FROM HIM? AND I CAN SPEAK ON BEHALF OF HONOR BREWING COMPANY THERE THAT WE ARE GOING TO HELP SPONSOR THIS.
I'VE GOT A LETTER, VERY BRIEF, THAT WAS SENT OVER FROM ASA.
MR. JAMES, I UNDERSTAND, LIVES NEXT DOOR.
WHAT IS THE LETTER FROM ISIS SAYING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE TAKING PART OF THE ROUNDUP PROGRAM.
I UNDERSTAND THE BOARD'S RESERVATIONS.
I DON'T THINK.. THIS IS TO COLTON.
IS IS HE PUTTING HIS NAME ON THE LINE TO SQUARE WITH THE COUNTY? THE BACK TAXES DUE..
I CANNOT SPEAK TO MR. COLTON'S PERSONAL FINANCES.
WELL, I HAVE A LIST OF TEN PEOPLE WHO TOLD ME HE OWES SOME MONEY.
AND I ALSO WOULD SUBMIT THAT PERSONAL FINANCES OF AN INDIVIDUAL ARE IRRELEVANT TO A ZONING QUESTION.
CREDIBILITY, SIR, IS THE NAME OF THE GAME CREDIBILITY? THOSE ARE THAT IS THIS BOARD HAS TO CONSIDER.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BOTHERS ME.
AND OUR RULES TO REMOVE THIS LAND SAID IT CAN'T BE DONE WITH SPECULATION.
AND IF WE OK THIS, THEN EVERYBODY ELSE CAN DO IT.
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YES, SIR. AND I DON'T WANT TO SET UP ANY PRECEDENTS FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR ANYTHING TO GET IN THE WAY OF IT.THIS IS OUR MOST IMPORTANT INDUSTRY IN THIS COUNTY.
UNDERSTOOD, SIR. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. MR. COLTON. JAMES.
NOW, WHAT WILL BE HIS INVOLVEMENT IF THIS WERE TO COME TO FRUITION? SO RIGHT NOW HE'S THE DIRECTOR.
HOWEVER, WITH THE DEVOLUTION, WHICH HAS NOT HAPPENED YET, BUT WITH THE DEVOLUTION THAT'S PLANNED, HE WOULD BE THE ROLE OF A FACILITATOR WHERE HE WOULD BE ACTING ON DIRECTIVES OF THE BOARD AND PROVIDING THE LOCAL SUPPORT AS HE DOES LIVE NEXT DOOR AND HELP HIM WITH EXTERNAL FUNDRAISING.
THIS IS NOT NOT ON THE SITE, BUT HELPING WITH FUNDRAISING, THAT SORT OF THING.
SO I UNDERSTAND THIS PART WITH HIM OWING THE COUNTY AND ALL THAT.
BUT DOES HIS DOES HE PERSONALLY IMPACT THE ABILITY FOR THIS FACILITY, FOR THIS ORGANIZATION TO OPERATE? THEY COULD OPERATE INDEPENDENTLY OF HIM, BUT DOES IT.
BUT THE PLAN WHERE I STAND OUT WOULD BE FOR IT TO DO THAT.
WELL, WHEN IT WAS FIRST PRESENTED TO US.
UNLESS YOU CHANGED YOUR MIND 100%.
MR. JAMES IS GOING TO BE THE CEO AND THE HEAD OF THIS CORPORATION.
ALL RIGHT. WHY HAS IT CHANGED? BECAUSE THE BOARD'S CONCERNS WERE HEARD, SIR.
ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? I WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT.
YOU KNOW, I'M A VETERAN, SO YOU STRUCK A NERVE WITH ME.
I'M IN FAVOR OF OF THIS THING, BUT I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF YOU OF DOING IT.
NOT YOU, BUT THE PEOPLE OWED MONEY TO THE COUNTY.
SO THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED BEFORE I WOULD VOTE FOR IT.
UNDERSTOOD, SIR. AND I DON'T THINK I'M THE ONLY ONE LIKE THAT.
UNDERSTOOD. ANYTHING ELSE? I GUESS EVERYBODY'S MADE THEIR POSITIONS PRETTY CLEAR UP HERE.
I HAVE A QUESTION THAT PROBABLY COULD ANSWER FOR ME.
THAT'S THE FIRST STEP. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ON RIGHT NOW.
THE SECOND PART IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE LOT.
AND LET ME REMIND YOU THAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS IF THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ONLY HAS 90 DAYS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAS 12 MONTHS.
THIS APPLICATION WAS RECEIVED JANUARY 31ST OF THIS YEAR.
SO THAT MEANS THIS DECISION NEEDS TO BE MADE NO LATER THAN YOUR JANUARY MEETING.
IF YOU MAKE NO DECISION, THEN YOUR DECISION IS APPROVAL.
THAT'S WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAID.
YOU MAYBE WE TABLED AGAIN ITS APPROVAL.
THAT'S THE LAW. AT THE END OF JANUARY.
YOU HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION OR IT GOES FORWARD AS APPROVED.
JUST A REMINDER THAT THERE IS A SHOT CLOCK INVOLVED.
FURTHER QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION.
ANYBODY HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. BROWN. IF SOMEBODY HAS A QUESTION FOR YOU, THAT'S FINE, SIR.
BUT THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING.
LISTEN TO THAT. THIS IS NOT A THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING.
I'M SORRY. IF SOMEBODY HAS A QUESTION FOR YOU.
WHAT DO YOU SAY WE TALKED IT AROUND, MISS UPDIKE? I JUST CAN'T VOTE TO TAKE IT OUT OF A NAGGING FORRESTAL DISTRICT.
I THINK YOU'VE SET A PRECEDENT.
ARE YOU MAKING A MOTION? YES. WELL, WE ARE VERY HAPPY ABOUT IT.
JUST ASKING FOR HER. EXCUSE ME.
I THOUGHT YOU WAS JUST ASKING FOR A COMMENT ON IT.
I ASK HER IF SHE WAS MAKING A MOTION OR NOT.
WELL, BEFORE YOU MAKE THE MOST, DO YOU WANT TO DISCUSS IT BEFORE YOU? I THINK WE'VE DISCUSSED IT.
YOU WANT TO DISCUSS IT FURTHER? GO AHEAD.
WELL, HE WANTS US. OKAY, I WOULD JUST.
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FOR YOU, MIKE. A LITTLE CLOSER, KARL.I'M REALLY IN FAVOR OF THIS, AND I THINK THAT.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE BOXED OURSELVES INTO A POINT WITH THE LAND, WITH THESE DISTRICTS, AGRICULTURAL DISTRICTS THAT WE CAN'T ALLOW SOMETHING TO HAPPEN THAT'S FOR THE GOOD OF THE COUNTY.
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
DID YOU MAKE A MOTION? I DID. ALL RIGHT.
LET'S GET THAT UP. IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? WHAT WAS THE MOTION TO DENY? IS THERE A SECOND. NOT.
I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF COMMENTS I'D LIKE TO MAKE.
PARTICULARLY THE POSITION THEY PUT YOU IN.
AND I CAN'T APPROVE THESE CHANGES WHEN THERE'S BEEN NO EFFORT TO SATISFY WHAT'S OWED TO THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY.
AND I'M SORRY FOR YOU BECAUSE OF THAT . THE TAXES HAVE BEEN IN ARREARS, EVERYBODY'S KNOWN IT.
AND WE ARE OPENING A CAN OF WORMS HERE OVER THAT ISSUE.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF OUTSTANDING TAXES AND WE NEED TO GET THIS PLAN SQUARED.
YOU'VE HAD. IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT, MA'AM.
MR. COLTON HAS MISLED A LOT OF PEOPLE AND YOU'RE ONE OF THEM.
AND FROM YOU HAD A TWO WEEK NOTICE FROM WHAT YOU TOLD ME.
AND YOU DID NOT HAVE ALL THESE FACTS THAT LONG AGO SHOULD HAVE BEEN CLEARED UP, BUT THEY WEREN'T.
BECAUSE OF YOUR POSITION THAT YOU'RE IN.
AND THAT'S ABOUT THE ONLY COMMENT I CAN MAKE AT THIS POINT.
ANYBODY ELSE? I APPRECIATE THAT. I DON'T ASK ABOUT INDIVIDUALS PERSONAL TAXES OR THEIR THEY GET PAID AT THEIR JOB.
MA'AM, IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING.
THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, MA'AM, I'M SORRY.
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
COULD YOU REPEAT YOUR MOTION AGAIN? THAT WE DO NOT ALLOW YOU TO MOVE IN IT FROM THE AG AND FORESTAL DISTRICT? ALL RIGHT. EVERYBODY'S HEARD THEM.
IS THERE A SECOND? RICHARD HAS A COMMENT.
OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? RICHARD, THE ATTORNEY HAS A COMMENT.
ALL RIGHT. ONE COMMENT YOU WON'T MAKE AS A TRAVEL.
WHAT DID RICHARD SAY? IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THE COUNTY ATTORNEY WISHES TO MAKE A COMMENT UNLESS YOU ALL HAVE A QUESTION.
I WILL COMMENT ON ANYTHING YOU WANT.
BE HAPPY TO. WE THOUGHT HE WAS ASKING FOR COMMENTS, SO I GUESS YOU'RE NOT.
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, SO SECOND.
I SECOND THE MOTION. WELL, ALL RIGHT HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NO. ALL RIGHT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE VOTE, WE'LL TAKE A VOICE VOTE.
I DON'T WANT TO DENY. I'M SORRY.
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I JUST. THE WAY I FEEL, MAN.THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU WANT TO VOTE.
MR. CORNWELL. NO, EXCUSE ME, NO.
WHAT DO YOU SAY? I CAN'T VOTE FOR IT.
NO. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR.
ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE NO'S AND TWO YESES.
YEAH, I THINK WE NEED TO. I THINK WE NEED TO CLARIFY WHAT WE MEAN.
YOU WERE SAYING? NO. OKAY, SO IT'S 4 TO 3 THEN? NO, I THINK WE NEED TO VOTE AGAIN TO BE CLEAR ON IT.
IT'S THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED TO US.
THAT'S NOT IN FAVOR OF YOUR MOTION.
FOUR OF US. FOUR IS SAYING WHAT WE WANT TO APPROVE.
SO YEAH, THE MOTION THREE OH, SAYING YOU WON'T.
RIGHT. IT THE MOTION FAILED TO PASS 4 TO 3.
YES. SO IT PASSES MEANS THAT THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN APPROVED TO BE REMOVED FROM. YES. THE CONDITION YOU PERMIT HASN'T BEEN DISCUSSED YET.
SO THE OFFICIAL VOTE WAS FOUR TO THREE, FOUR TO REMOVE IT.
THREE AGAINST, THREE NOT REMOVE IT.
THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY, WE'LL MOVE ON.
NUMBER 15, THE CONDITION USE PERMIT REQUEST.
MR. LEWIS, YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS? IF I DARE. OKAY.
THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A COUNTRY INN.
THE APPLICATION INCLUDED A NUMBER OF CONDITIONS.
THIS IS TO BE ON THE 5.51 ACRES.
THE APPLICATION PROVIDED A NARRATIVE THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN 11 ROOM INN, NINE OF THOSE ROOMS WOULD BE TWO PERSON ROOMS AND TWO WOULD BE FOUR PERSON OR FAMILY ROOMS. THERE WOULD BE A BREAK ROOM AND MEALS WILL BE PREPARED IN THE COMMERCIAL KITCHEN ON SITE, AND THERE WILL BE AN OUTDOOR STORAGE BUILDING.
THE SITE WILL BE USED FOR THE BENEFIT OF DISABLED VETERANS AND FIRST RESPONDERS.
ENTRY WILL BE INVITATION ONLY.
THE SITE WILL NOT BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
A COUNTRY INN WILL PROVIDE ACCOMMODATIONS WITH AN ESTIMATED MAXIMUM OF 20 GUESTS AT A TIME.
PRIMARY ACTIVITIES AVAILABLE AT THE SITE WILL INCLUDE HUNTING, FISHING AND CAMPFIRES.
THERE WILL BE NO CAMPER HOOKUPS.
THERE MAY BE A TWO ACRE POND CREATED TO BE STOPPED FOR FISHING BY INVITED VISITORS.
THERE WILL BE NO HORSES OR OTHER LIVESTOCK KEPT ON THE PROPERTY.
THERE WILL BE WALKING PATHS TOO.
AND IN THE WOODS, IN THE VICINITY OF THE COUNTRY INN.
LAND FOR HEROES DESIRES TO PRESERVE AS MUCH FARMLAND AND WOODED AREA AS POSSIBLE.
LAND FOR HEROES INTENDS TO PLANTATION SOME TREES IN THE VICINITY OF THE COUNTRY INN.
AND THE LAST IS THERE WILL BE AN OUTBUILDING IN THE VICINITY OF THE COUNTRY INN.
AND ASIDE FROM THE OUTBUILDING, THERE ARE NO PLANS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF ADDITIONAL STRUCTURES.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD THEIR PUBLIC HEARING.
IT WAS A 6 TO 1 VOTE WITH THE SAME TWO MEMBERS ABSTAINING.
SIX VOTED TO RECOMMEND THE APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST AND ONE VOTING TO DENY IT.
A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS VERY SPECIFIC.
LET'S SAY THAT THIS ENTITY NO LONGER USES THIS INN.
AND THEY SELL IT TO SOMEONE ELSE.
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VETERANS AND FIRST RESPONDERS AND ENTRY WILL BE INVITATION ONLY IN THE SITE WILL NOT BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.SO IF THIS INN IS BUILT WITH ITS 11 ROOMS IN A WOODED SITE AND LAND FOR HEROES NO LONGER USES IT.
THEY CAN'T SELL IT TO SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO TURN IT INTO A YOGA RETREAT.
UNLESS THEY COME BACK TO YOU AND ASK FOR A NEW CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THIS CAN'T BE TURNED INTO A MINI HOLIDAY INN UNLESS IT IS FOR THE USE OF BENEFIT OF A DISABLED VETERANS AND FIRST RESPONDERS BY INVITATION ONLY THOSE.
THESE ARE THE ONLY THINGS THAT THIS PROPERTY CAN BE USED FOR.
SO IT'S NOT OPENING THE DOOR TO BUILD AN 11 ROOM, 11 ROOMS INN.
ITS APPROVAL TO BUILD THIS VERY SPECIFIC USE ON THIS SITE AND ANY OTHER USE THAT DEVIATES FROM ANY OF THESE. AT ONE TIME THEY SAID A POOL MAY BE ADDED IN THE FUTURE AND THEY STRUCK THAT OUT.
SO A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THIS INSTANCE.
AND THEN ALL CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS ARE VERY NARROW.
THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND CONDITIONAL ZONING.
A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS SPECIFIC FOR A SITE AND A USE.
IT'S NOT TO AN OWNER OR A PERSON, BUT IT TIES THE PROPERTY TO THESE SPECIFIC USES IN PERPETUITY UNTIL THEY COME BACK TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND SEEK AN AMENDED CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
BOTTOM LINE, THE CONDITION USE PERMIT GOES TO THE LAND, NOT WITH THE PEOPLE.
THAT'S CORRECT. AND IT'S VERY SPECIFIC.
NUMBER TWO ON THIS LIST, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HELP MY MEMORY A COUNTRY AND WILL PROVIDE ACCOMMODATIONS WITH THE ESTIMATED MAXIMUM OF 20 GUESTS.
WHAT WAS THE NUMBER? HOW MANY MONTHS AGO? I REMEMBER 25 STUCK IN MY HEAD THIS EVENING.
THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I HEARD THAT NUMBER.
THIS ORIGINAL APPLICATION SAID WITH AN ESTIMATED MAXIMUM OF 20 GUESTS AT A TIME.
YEAH. THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT FAMILIES.
THE PEOPLE THAT WERE WORKING THERE TOO.
IT SAYS 20 GUESTS AT A TIME SO THAT PEOPLE WHO SLEEP THERE.
YEAH, I HEARD 25 AT THE FIRST PROPOSAL.
THE APPLICATION ITSELF SAID 20 GUESTS.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MADE A RECOMMENDATION ON.
IS IT 20 GUESTS PLUS FAMILY ESTIMATED.
THEY'RE NOT SAYING A SPECIFIC NUMBER.
THEY'RE SAYING IT'S ESTIMATED ESTIMATED 20 GUESTS.
THAT WOULD BE 20 HUMANS SPENDING THE NIGHT.
ANOTHER QUESTION. WHO'S GONNA MAKE UP THE BEDS AND WASH CLOTHES AND COOK THE MEALS? THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT PART OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST.
AND IF IF MOST COMMERCIAL ENTITIES COULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION, THEY'D BE VERY HAPPY.
ABOUT HAVING QUESTIONS FOR SPECIFIC PEOPLE.
I FEEL LIKE I WANT TO SOUND IN ON THIS.
I'M I'M NOT A COLTON JAMES FAN, BUT I AM A FAN OF VETERANS.
I KNOW A LOT OF THEM, WENT TO SCHOOL WITH A LOT OF THEM.
I KNOW OF SOME THAT GOT HURT AND KILLED IN COMBAT.
AND I FEEL LIKE THESE PEOPLE ARE GONE.
THEY MET A LOT OF OUR CONDITIONS BY THESE RESTRICTIONS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION PUT IN.
AND I KNOW WE HASHED A LOT OUT HERE TONIGHT.
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AND THE MAIN THING IS WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THIS 501C3 PAYS THE COUNTY LIKE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO.THAT'S THE WAY I FEEL ABOUT IT.
YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THEY DIDN'T I KNOW Y'ALL'S PROBLEMS AND ALL THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT HE'S RUNNING THE WHOLE THING, SO I FEEL FOR THESE PEOPLE.
SO. I'M GOING TO VOTE TO APPROVE IT.
YOU KNOW THE PROMOTION? YEAH, I CAN MAKE THE MOTION.
SECOND. ALL RIGHT, THE MOTION.
SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION BEFORE WE VOTE? THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO APPROVE IT.
WELL, I'VE BEEN OVER THERE AND LOOKED AT THE SITE.
I'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE THAT OWN PROPERTY ON EITHER SIDE AND CITIZENS IN THAT AREA.
AND MA'AM, I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT I HAVEN'T FOUND ONE PERSON.
THAT I TALKED TO, AND IT WAS SEVERAL.
IT WAS MORE THAN JUST A FEW THAT SUPPORTED THIS PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF COLTON.
AND HE WAS HERE EARLIER, THREE MONTHS AGO, AND I DON'T SEE HIM TONIGHT.
BUT WHAT I WAS TOLD AND WHAT I FOUND OUT DIDN'T ADD UP.
SO WITH THAT, I'M PREPARED TO VOTE NO.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO PASS THIS AND A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
OKAY. FOR ALL THOSE OPPOSED, PASS THIS 4 TO 3.
YEAH. FOUR TO THREE, IT WAS SEVEN.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY, AFTER ALL THE DISCUSSIONS, LIKE, Y'ALL HAVE DEFINITELY SET THE BAR FOR MYSELF AND WHAT I KNOW THAT I WHAT PART I NEED TO PLAY ON THE ADVISORY BOARD AND THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS TO MAKE SURE THAT LAND FOR HEROES DOES WHAT IT SAYS OPERATES ACCORDINGLY AND MAKES TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS AN UPSTANDING PLACE IN THIS COMMUNITY.
I LIVE THREE AND A HALF HOURS AWAY.
THAT'S HOW IMPORTANT IT WAS TO ME, JUST FOR THE FACT THAT Y'ALL DEFINITELY SET THE BAR FOR ME.
ALL RIGHT. WE'RE COUNTING ON WHAT YOU SAID TONIGHT.
JUST A FEW VERY QUICK UPDATES.
THE TOTAL CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT, INCLUDING CHANGE ORDERS, COMES IN AT $21,884,461.09.
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DO HAVE A COPY OF THE LATEST PAY APPLICATION.[7. Highway Matters]
THE INSURRECTION TRAIL PROJECTS, WE'RE CONTINUING TO MAKE PROGRESS ON THAT WITH THE INTERACTIVE MAP, SMARTPHONE APP WAYFINDING SIGNAGE.AND IT'S ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE INTERACTIVE MAP WILL BE INSTALLED.
IT'S INSTALLED VERY SOON, WHICH IS NOW.
UPDIKE CERTAINLY KNOWS THE MOST ABOUT THIS PROJECT THAN ANYBODY THERE MAKING.
I WOULD JUST ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THAT.
MS.. UPDIKE WE HAVE A RIBBON CUTTING THE 30TH AT THREE.
EVERYBODY IS INVITED FOR THE REBECCA BOLIN HOUSE.
IT'S A TEMPORARY OPENING, BUT IT'S BASICALLY FINISHED EXCEPT FOR THE EXHIBITS.
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SO WE ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO COME OUT FOR THAT ON OCTOBER 30TH AT 3:00.TEMPORARY OPENING AT THE BOND HOUSE NEWSOME'S HOUSING AND DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.
AS YOU'RE AWARE, WE CAN WE HOLD MANAGEMENT TEAM MEETINGS EVERY MONTH.
THE LAST ONE WE HELD WAS WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 12TH.
WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF MOVING FORWARD ON AWARDING CONTRACTS TO BLUEPRINT BUILDERS FOR 23,200 TOMSON ROAD, THOMASTON ROAD AND 22 402 THOMASTON ROAD.
WE'RE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND PREPARING EASEMENTS FOR THE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE DID HAVE A COMMUNITY CLEANUP THAT WAS HELD OCTOBER 8TH THROUGH THE 16TH.
WE'RE WORKING ON OUR RADIO NEEDS PROJECT WITH THE CITY OF FRANKLIN.
AND AS YOU'RE AWARE, WE HAVE CTA CONSULTANTS DOING THE CONSULTING SERVICE WORK TO COME UP WITH A NEEDS ASSESSMENT, AND WE'RE HOPING THEY THEY SHOULD BE DONE WITH THEIR WORK HOPEFULLY IN NEXT MONTH, IN NOVEMBER OF 2022.
MORE INFORMATION WILL COME AT THAT TIME.
THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. THANK YOU, SIR.
YES, MA'AM. THE CTA CONSULTANTS IS WORKING ON THAT AND HOPEFULLY THEY SHOULD BE DONE BY NEXT MONTH AND WE'LL HAVE SOME MORE INFORMATION HOPEFULLY AT YOUR MEETING NEXT MONTH OR DECEMBER AT THE LATEST.
NUMBER 11, THE COUNTY SCHOOL SYSTEM AUDIT.
THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS FLYING AT NUMBER 17, FLYING ABOUT THIS.
SO WE'VE INVITED OUR FINANCIAL EXPERT, MRS. LOWE, TO GIVE US A LITTLE RUNDOWN ON WHAT WHAT TRANSPIRES.
GOOD EVENING. BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
SO I HAD BEEN ASKED TO GO OVER OUR ANNUAL AUDIT AND HOW IT INCORPORATES THE FINANCES OF THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, THE COUNTY OF SOUTHAMPTON EXCUSE ME, THE COUNTY OF SOUTHAMPTON CONTRACTS WITH AN INDEPENDENT AUDIT FIRM ANNUALLY TO PERFORM PROCEDURES AND TO ISSUE A COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT.
THIS ANNUAL REPORT INCLUDES FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.
OF ALL RECEIPTS AND ALL DISBURSEMENTS MADE WITHIN THE FISCAL YEAR THAT IS BEING AUDITED.
OUR AUDIT EXCUSE ME, OUR FISCAL YEAR RUNS FROM JULY 1ST OF EACH YEAR THROUGH JUNE 30TH.
[8. Monthly Reports]
IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT AN AUDIT DOES NOT LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE TRANSACTION.A RANDOM SAMPLE IS TAKEN BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE FUNDS, THE NUMBER OF TRANSACTIONS.
AND GUIDELINES BY THE AUDITOR OF PUBLIC ACCOUNTS.
IF WITHIN THESE SAMPLES THERE ARE ISSUES OR PROBLEMS FOUND, THEN THE AUDITOR IS REQUIRED TO EXPAND ITS AUDIT AND TO LOOK AT MORE TRANSACTIONS.
IF THEY WERE TO FIND MORE ISSUES THAN IT WOULD BE A POTENTIAL FOR THE AUDITOR TO NOT ISSUE AN OPINION OR TO WITHDRAW FROM THE ENGAGEMENT.
WE HAVE NEVER HAD THAT HAPPEN WITHIN THE 12 YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE, NOR ANY OF THE YEARS PRIOR TO ME.
THE SCHOOLS HAVE, AND YOU MAY WONDER WHAT MAKES IT A COMPONENT UNIT.
THE SCHOOLS HAVE A SEPARATE GOVERNING BOARD THAT IS SEPARATE FROM THE COUNTY OF SOUTHAMPTON'S BOARD.
THERE IS ONE SET OF FINANCIAL STATEMENTS ISSUED COVERING ALL LOCAL FUNDS, ALL STATE FUNDS, AND ALL FEDERAL FUNDS FOR BOTH THE COUNTY AND FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD.
I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN SOME QUESTIONS AS TO WHAT IS INCLUDED IN OUR FINANCIAL AUDIT.
SO THIS BOOK, THIS AUDIT IS ON THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE AND I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW MANY
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YEARS IT GOES BACK, BUT IT'S A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF YEARS THAT ARE ON OUR WEBSITE.[9. Financial Matters]
WITHIN THIS REPORT.I'M GOING TO LET YOU KNOW SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE LISTED IN THERE THAT PERTAIN SPECIFICALLY TO THE SCHOOL BOARD'S FINANCIAL ITEMS. BUT THERE'S THERE CHANGES IN CAPITAL ASSETS.
THERE'S CHANGES IN LONG TERM DEBT.
THERE IS THE STATEMENT OF NET POSITION.
[10. Appointments]
THERE IS A DISCLOSURE STATEMENT THAT THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD IS A COMPONENT UNIT.HERE IS A LISTING OF FUNDS THAT ARE UNDER THE SCHOOL BOARD'S SUPERVISION.
THERE'S THE SCHOOL OPERATING FUND, THE SCHOOL FOR FOOD SERVICES FUND.
THE SCHOOL ENDOWMENT FUND AND THE SCHOOL ACTIVITY FUNDS.
IT SHOWS DEPRECIATION AND ASSET CHANGES.
THERE'S A SCHEDULE OF OTHER POST-EMPLOYMENT BENEFITS FOR SCHOOL EMPLOYEES.
THERE'S A STATEMENT OF REVENUES, EXPENDITURES AND FUND BALANCES.
THERE ARE BUDGET COMPARISONS OF SCHOOL BOARD FUNDS.
AND THERE IS A SCHEDULE OF FEDERAL AWARDS.
THAT SCHEDULE OF FEDERAL AWARDS.
WE HAVE WHAT IS CALLED A SINGLE AUDIT.
BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE THAN $750,000 OF FEDERAL FUNDS THAT FLOW THROUGH THE COUNTY.
WE ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A SINGLE AUDIT, WHICH WE DO.
YOU MAY ASK, WHAT IS A SINGLE AUDIT? IT'S PERFORMING THREE DUTIES AT ONE TIME.
SO IF THOSE FEDERAL FUNDS, WE HAVE A FINANCIAL COMPLIANCE PER GOVERNMENTAL STANDARDS.
WE HAVE THE AUDITOR OF PUBLIC ACCOUNTANTS GUIDANCE, WHICH IS MAINLY COMPLIANCE TESTING.
AND WE HAVE UNIFORM GUIDANCE STANDARDS ON THE TESTING OF THE FEDERAL FUNDS.
SO THOSE THREE ITEMS ARE PERFORMED ON THE MAJOR CATEGORIES OF FEDERAL FUNDS PER THE STANDARDS.
ONE OTHER ITEM THAT HAD BEEN MENTIONED RECENTLY WERE THE SCHOOL ACTIVITY FUNDS.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT IN THE SUMMER OF 2022, THE SCHOOL SYSTEM DID REVAMP ITS SCHOOL ACTIVITY MANUAL. I CAN ALSO TELL YOU THAT AS OF JULY 1ST, 2020, THEIR AUDIT FIRM CHANGED FOR THE SCHOOL ACTIVITY FUNDS TO THE SAME AUDITOR THAT THE COUNTY HAS, WHICH IS CREEDLE JONES AND ASSOCIATES. THEY ARE ALSO ENGAGED FOR THAT THIS FISCAL YEAR, FISCAL YEAR 22.
[11. Designation of Surplus Property]
SO THEY THEY WILL HAVE DONE AT THE END OF THIS SEASON FISCAL YEAR 21 AND FISCAL YEAR 22.AS OF FISCAL YEAR 21, THAT WAS THE FIRST YEAR THAT THE AUDITOR OF PUBLIC ACCOUNTS REQUIRED SCHOOL ACTIVITY FUNDS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE COUNTY AUDIT.
YOU MAY ALSO WONDER WHAT TYPE OF TESTING HAPPENS WITH THE SCHOOL ACTIVITY FUNDS.
AND IT'S BASICALLY AT THIS POINT THE SAME TESTING THAT GOES THROUGH THE REGULAR OPERATING FUNDS, WHICH ARE ALL OF THE LOCAL
[12. Tourism Plan]
FEDERAL AND STATE FUNDS.I CAN TELL YOU ALSO THAT THE INDIVIDUAL SCHOOLS, THE PEOPLE THAT DEAL WITH THESE ACTIVITY FUNDS HAVE BEEN THROUGH TRAINING WITHIN THE PAST YEAR.
SO I FEEL LIKE THEY'RE MORE UP TO DATE NOW WITH.
IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS OPEN TO THEM.
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DID YOU CONDUCT THE TRAINING? I DID NOT.BUT A VERY EXPERIENCED PERSON DID.
BASED ON GUIDELINES FROM THE AUDITOR.
AND THE SAME THE PERSON WHO DOES THE AUDITING FOR THE COUNTY THAT COLLABORATES AND DOES FOR THE SCHOOL SYSTEM TOO . CORRECT. AND THE WHOLE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
SO THERE IS AN AUDIT DONE, AND THERE ARE NO IRREGULARITIES? THERE HAVE BEEN NO IRREGULARITIES DISCOVERED? NO. LIKE I SAID, IT'S A SAMPLE.
IF THE SAMPLE REVEALED ANYTHING, THEN IT WOULD GO FURTHER.
ANYBODY ELSE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OKAY. MOVING ON, NUMBER 18, FIRE ALARM ISSUE OF SOUTHAMPTON HIGH SCHOOL.
EDWARDS ASKED IF THIS MIGHT BE PLACED ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION, AND IN ALL FAIRNESS TO SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND WILL BE VERY LATE IN THE DAY TODAY.
SO WITHOUT HAVING HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADEQUATELY REVIEW MR. MELBY'S RESPONSE TO THAT AND DETERMINE AND HAVE ADEQUATELY ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS OR SKIRTED THE PERIPHERIES OF ACTUALLY ADDRESSING MY CONCERNS, OR IN THE WORDS OF MRS. LINDSAY PITTS, YOU KNOW, SERVES TO FURTHER BEFUDDLE AND CONFUSE ME AS I TRY TO READ IT.
I'LL HAVE TO WAY TO COMMENT FURTHER.
I CAN CAN SHARE WITH THE REST OF THE BOARD WHAT MY ORIGINAL CONCERN WAS, IF YOU'D LIKE.
BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE RESPONSE.
I THINK THAT WAS. WHAT WAS YOUR ORIGINAL CONCERN SIR? A DEFINITE MOVE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION? I JUST IT'S OF THE UTMOST PROFOUND IMPORTANCE TO WHEN WE MAKE THIS ARMBAND THAT WHEN THE FIRE ALARM GOES OFF, WE CAN'T NOT CALL THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. WHEN OUR FIRE ALARM SYSTEMS ARE OUT OF SERVICE, WE CAN'T NOT CALL SOMEBODY TO FIX IT.
SO. YOU ALL EACH HAVE THE LETTERS THAT WERE SENT.
HOPEFULLY YOU'VE READ THEM, REVIEWED THEM.
MUCH OF THE INFORMATION WAS NOT BASED ON ASSUMPTION.
IT WAS FACTUALLY BASED OUT OF THE FIVE REPORT THAT WAS WRITTEN BY THE FIRST ARRIVING ENGINE COMPANY THAT RESPONDED NOT BECAUSE HE WAS DISPATCHED, BUT BECAUSE THERE WERE KIDS AT THE HIGH SCHOOL TEXTING, HEY, IS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT COMING.
NOT BECAUSE THE FIRE ALARM ALERTED THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, NOT BECAUSE THE SCHOOL CALLED THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, NOT BECAUSE THE DISPATCHER DISPATCHED THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT BECAUSE KIDS WERE TEXTING THEIR PARENTS WHO HAPPENED TO BE ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FROM THE SCHOOL AS THEY WERE EVACUATED FROM THE BUILDING SAYING, HEY, THE ALARM IS GOING OFF.
WE MIGHT NEED YOUR ASSISTANCE HERE.
SO THAT'S WHAT MY CONCERN ORIGINALLY WAS.
I LOOK FORWARD TO READING THE RESPONSE.
RIGHT. NOT REALLY. I READ I READ IT.
I DIDN'T REALLY SIT DOWN AND, LIKE YOU SAID, STUDIED OVER IT, ANYTHING BUT I TO APPRECIATE THAT RESPONSE THAT HE SENT TO YOU, BECAUSE I THINK HE CLARIFIED SOMETHING THAT IT WAS, AND WHEN FIRE LINES GO OFF, PEOPLE REACT.
BUT OBVIOUSLY, THAT WAS A PROBLEM WITH THE ALARM SYSTEM.
AND SO I THINK I THINK THAT THEY ADDRESSED IT.
AS A RESULT OF THIS INCIDENT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT RESPONDED.
THE STATE FIRE MARSHAL RESPONDED.
THE ACTION AS A RESULT OF THAT RESPONSE WAS SWIFT AND THAT THEY HAD MADE HAVE SINCE MADE THE NECESSARY REPAIRS TO THE SYSTEM. PUTTING IT BACK IN SERVICE.
I BELIEVE THIS VERY WEEKEND IS WHAT I UNDERSTOOD.
NO PROBLEM. DISCUSSION QUESTIONS.
ALL RIGHT, WE MOVE ON. NUMBER 19, THE MOLD CONCERN AT KAPRON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
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WE'VE GOT A TOPIC AND I'VE GOT A BUNCH OF CALLS.I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ABOUT IT, AND PICTURES, ETC.
[13. Blackwater Regional Library Updates]
ABOUT THE MOLD AT CAPRON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THAT WHERE WE CLEANED UP OR WHAT'S GOING ON.
I HADN'T HEARD. I'M SURE SHE DID OKAY AT THE BOARD MEETING THAT WAS ADDRESSED.
AND THEY HAD SOMEONE WHO WAS A QUALIFIED PERSON WHO DEALS WITH MOLD TO COME OUT.
THEY INSPECTED SCHOOL AND ALL OF THIS.
AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY ANY MEDIATION THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE PRIOR TO WAS DONE IN TERMS OF THE QUALITY OF THE AIR AND ALL OF THIS, THAT IT WASN'T THERE WERE NO THERE WAS NO DANGER TO THE STUDENTS, BUT THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY CONSTRUCTION OR ANYTHING TO NECESSARILY REMOVE THE MOLD FROM THE SCHOOL, I WOULDN'T IMAGINE.
BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT IT HAS BECOME A SAFE IT IS A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR THE KIDS.
WELL, MY QUESTION, YOU KNOW, I HEAR THAT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL LIBRARY IS CLOSED DUE TO MOLD.
THAT MAKES SENSE, DOESN'T IT? SO WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT? OKAY, IF THE IF THERE'S MOLD THERE, THEY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO IMMEDIATELY TO TAKE CARE OF THE SITUATION.
NOW, IF THERE'S MOLD THERE AND THE BUILDING HAS THAT BUILDING HAS TO BE CLOSED.
BUT I'M NOT GOING TO IMAGINE THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE WHATEVER'S NECESSARY.
ALL RIGHT. MAYBE IT'S GOOD THIS BROUGHT UP.
MAYBE WE'LL GET TAKEN CARE OF.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT? ALL RIGHT, MOVE ON TO NUMBER 20.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY BURNING DESIRE TO TALK ABOUT ANY OF THOSE THINGS? IF NOT, THEN WE'LL GO ON TO LATE ARRIVING MATTERS.
AND WE HAVE ONE MATTER HERE GOING TO STRESS OUT COUNTY ATTORNEY.
STILL WITH US RICHARD? ALL RIGHT. FIRST OF ALL, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. YES. THE FIRST THING WAS REDISTRICTING CERTIFICATE, A CERTIFICATE OF NO OBJECTION ISSUED BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE. AND THE SECOND THING WAS.
GO AHEAD. WE'RE GOOD TO GO NOW, AS I THINK ALL OF US KNEW WITH SOME RELUCTANCE.
BUT IF WE WENT BACK TO THE AD WITH FIVE SEATS AND NO AT-LARGE SEAT, WE WOULD PROBABLY GET THE CERTIFICATE.
SO WE HAVE READY TO GO ON OUR ELECTIONS.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT OBSTACLE ANYMORE AS FAR AS THAT IS, IT PUTS US IN GOOD SHAPE.
THE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? ALL RIGHT. MORE QUESTIONS.
ALL RIGHT. NOW, THE SECOND QUESTION WAS A SPECIAL ELECTION TO FILL THE VACANCY.
FIRST OF ALL. A REPORT WAS PRESENTED TO THE COURT.
WE WANTED TO PUT OFF THE ALL THE SENSE I GOT FROM THE SEPTEMBER 27 BECAUSE WE WANT TO SUPPORT ALL THE SPECIAL ELECTION AS FAR AS POSSIBLE.
THE JUDGE, AND CONSIDERING THE WRIT THAT FED BY ME, INDICATED THAT HE WANTED A SPECIAL ELECTION AND EITHER JANUARY OR FEBRUARY 23.
SO I'M GOING TO BE ASKED AND YOU GIVE ME A DATE AND YOUR DISCRETION? PROBABLY IN FEBRUARY.
BUT IF YOU INSIST, WE CAN DO IT IN JANUARY.
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TUESDAY, BUT I HAVEN'T FINISHED.OF ALL RESEARCH ON THAT AND IN TALKING WITH THE PEOPLE AT THE STATE DEPARTMENT REFLECTED, I COULD MAKE AN ARGUMENT UNDER SECTION 22.2-226 C OF A CODE OF VIRGINIA THAT UNDER ALL CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE WE DON'T EVEN NEED A SPECIAL ELECTION.
SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO WITH YOUR COOPERATION AND ENCOURAGEMENT IS TO SUBMIT A WRIT WITH THE NEW DATE, BUT ALSO SUBMIT IT WITH A LETTER AND THE CODE SECTION.
I'M CERTAINLY PLEASED THE REGISTRAR, AND I IMAGINE IT WOULD BE A NO FOR ANYONE.
BUT I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THAT.
MR. REILLY. COULD MR. CLAUDE GO OUT OF THE QUESTION EARLIER TONIGHT? WELL, THE PRESENT HOLDER OF THAT OFFICE BE ABLE TO RUN OR NOT BE ABLE TO RUN.
I HAVE TO SAY, I'VE HEARD THAT QUESTION.
[14. Amendment to the Sands]
AND. FOR ALL SPOKE TONIGHT.YOU'RE RIGHT THAT INITIALLY I'LL HAVE TO FOLLOW THE FORWARD.
I INDICATED TO YOU THAT THE SEPTEMBER MEETING THAT IN MY JUDGMENT, IF YOU ARE APPOINTED, YOU COULDN'T RUN. AND GOING BACK AND RESEARCHING IT VASTLY MORE.
I HAVE TO CONCEDE THAT I THINK I WAS WRONG.
AND I THINK THE CORRECT ANSWER IS IF THAT PERSON CAN RUN.
THERE'S NO STATUTORY ENTITLEMENT THAT I SAY.
I JUST READ SOMETHING AND I READ MORE.
BUT I KNOW YOU CAN RUN AGAIN, AND I'LL TRY.
I FIGURE THAT UP. WHEN THAT FIRST CAME CAME UP, IT WAS UNDERSTOOD THAT A PERSON THAT WAS NO LAW AGAINST THE PERSON RUNNING, BUT IT WAS JUST THE BOY.
AND IT WAS JUST I THINK I THINK A DISTRICT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH BEEN A VIRGINIA CUSTOM, BUT CERTAINLY I'LL SAY THIS AFTER RAID AND REALLY THERE'S NO STATUTORY IMPEDIMENT TO IT.
IN OTHER WORDS, THE STATUTE, THERE'S NO PROHIBITION.
AND AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, AS FAR AS THE STATUTORY LAW, YES, HE APPOINTED PERSON CAN RUN.
NOW, AS FAR AS WHAT MR. FAISON JUST SAID ABOUT INDICATE IN VIRGINIA, YEAH.
VERY CLEAR. ANYBODY ELSE QUESTIONS? ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING? JUST TO MR. CLOUD. DID YOU GET YOUR QUESTION ANSWERED? YEAH. OKAY. OKAY.
AND REALLY, WHEN YOU BROUGHT IT UP, I WANTED TO JUMP IN AT THAT TIME AND TELL YOU YOU'RE RIGHT.
I FELT IT WAS MORE APPROPRIATE TO TAKE IT UP NOW.
BUT. THANK YOU FOR RAISING THE QUESTION.
YES. WELL, THANK YOU, EVERYBODY, FOR STICKING THROUGH THIS STORMY DEMOCRATIC PROCESS WE HAD TONIGHT.
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WE HAD A LOT OF DIFFERENT VIEWS GOING ON HERE.AND I THINK DEMOCRACY HAS SHOWED ITSELF.
I HOPE THE REST OF THE COUNTRY DOES THAT ON NOVEMBER 8TH.
AND I APPRECIATE YOU ALL COMING HERE AND STICKING WITH US TILL 930.
WASN'T SURE. OH, NO, I NEED A DATE.
YEAH, WE NEED A DATE IN CASE WE DO HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL ELECTION JUST IN CASE.
SO YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY GOING OUT TO PULL UP A CAMERA.
WHY DON'T YOU GO LIKE 21ST OUT OR GIVE THEM A LITTLE MORE TIME TO GET IT SET UP? WHAT GAVE YOU ALL THIS EARLY IN THE MONTH? YEAH, I KNOW IT USUALLY IS, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE OPTION.
RICHARD, MY NEXT MY NEXT QUESTION.
ARE YOU STILL WITH US? YES, I AM.
OKAY. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU RUN FOR OFFICE HERE, YOU GOT TO GET 125 SIGNATURES.
NOW, IS THAT STILL IN EFFECT? YOU GOT TO GET. YES, 25 BONA FIDE REGISTERED VOTERS IN YOUR DISTRICT IN ORDER TO BE PUT ON THE BALLOT.
YES, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT.
I MEAN, IF EVERYBODY'S EVER RUN, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SPEND SIX MONTHS DOING THAT.
ARE YOU STILL THERE? YEAH, I AM.
THE QUESTION OF OF THAT THAT DR.
IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE LOUISVILLE HAD ONLY ONE VOTING POLL PLACE. IS THAT CORRECT? THEY HAD ONE PLACE TO VOTE.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO LIKE CAPERING HEAD OR CORTLAND OR SOME OF THE OTHER DISTRICTS.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
OK AND THAT AFFECTED THE NUMBER OF NAMES YOU NEEDED ON YOUR FORM TO CERTIFY YOU RUNNING WAS LESS THAN THE NUMBER OF NAMES THAT SOME OF THESE OTHER DID.
I DON'T KNOW. SO DO YOU KNOW THE ANSWER? I WAS TOLD THAT IT WAS REDUCED IN NUMBER FROM 125 BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF THE POLLING PRECINCTS.
I'M GOING TO HAVE TO DEFER TO THE REGISTRAR ON THAT.
I'M CERTAINLY INCLINED TO SAY YOU WERE RIGHT, MR. GILLETTE, BUT I DON'T WANT TO MISLEAD ANYBODY.
OH, SHE'S A SIMPLE PHONE CALL AWAY, AND SHE'S GOING TO KNOW EXACTLY.
LET'S SEE. BUT IF YOU HAVE TO GET 75 THE NUMBER OF A CANDIDATE HERE INSTEAD OF 75, I HAD LIKE 150.
AND THEN THEY TOLD ME I DIDN'T NEED 75.
THAT'S RIGHT. SO I THOUGHT THE NUMBER WAS 75.
ALL RIGHT. THAT'S FINE WITH ME.
I WOULD MOVE. WE SELECT THE 21ST OF FEBRUARY.
LET ME THROW THIS OUT JUST FOR YOU.
ALL THIS INFORMATION, SUSAN, JUST LET ME KNOW.
BUT THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT FOR, SAY, A REASON NOT TO MARCH 28.
I MEAN, I KNOW YOU'VE GOT TO SET UP TO BOOST THE DAY BEFORE.
OKAY. 28, THAT'LL GIVE THEM MORE TIME.
LET CARL LOOK AT HIS CALENDAR.
28, I GOT IT. I'M TRYING TO TYPE IN, AND I'M A SLOW.
YEAH, YOUR BLACK BOX IS A BIG PLEASURE FOR ME TO SEE SOMETHING EVERYBODY AGREES ON 28TH. OKAY, WELL, THAT'S A LIGHTEN UP, RICHARD.
I ASKED MR. RAILEY THIS AT THE END OF EVERY MEETING.
MR. RAILEY, YOU STILL A DEMOCRAT? YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT, SIR.
WELL, DEMOCRAT, THAT'S JUST INDEPENDENT FROM BEING OUT OF OFFICE FOR ME TO COMMENT.
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BUT I AM AN AMERICAN.THAT'S RIGHT. MOTION TO ADJOURN.
SO MOVE. SO MOVE.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.