[I. CALL TO ORDER *This clip is available without audio* ] [II. APPROVAL OF MINUTES *This clip is available without audio* ] [IV. UNFINISHED BUSINESS ] [00:06:09] GET ON THE SAME PAGE. [00:06:11] BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO SUMMON THEM TO COME MEET WITH YOU ONCE A MONTH FOR SIX MONTHS. JUST TO COUNT ON, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MAKING THE INITIATIVE GET STARTED. WE WANT TO KEEP IT MOVING ALONG. ALL I KNOW ABOUT THIS, JUST TRYING TO PICK UP ON WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON IN THE PAST. AND MS. LEWIS IS RIGHT. YOU ALL ARE CO-EQUAL. BOTH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE LIQUOR CONTROL COUNCIL IS APPOINTED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, AS WELL AS THE TOWNS. SO YOU ALL ARE CO-EQUAL AUTHORITY, NOT AUTHORITY, BUT APPOINTEES OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THAT WE HAVE AS REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE. OK RIGHT. IN THOSE BYLAWS, ONCE THIS GETS REORGANIZED, I WOULD SUGGEST AND I WOULD HOPE WE COULD WORK TO UPDATE THOSE BYLAWS BECAUSE THE WAY IT READS NOW, IT'S MAINLY EDUCATIONAL TYPE COMMITTEE. I THINK THE INTENTION FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO MAKE MORE HANDS, LITERALLY HANDS ON, RIGHT, TO PICK UP TRASH. KIND OF THING IN ADDITION TO SOME EDUCATION COMPONENT. SO WHEN WHEN THE NEW COMMITTEE GETS CONSTITUTED OR RECONSTITUTED, WE CAN WE CAN LOOK AT AMENDING SOME OF THE BYLAWS TO THOSE. AND THEY'RE IN YOUR PACKET. YOU GOT A COPY OF OUR BYLAWS? YEP. BECAUSE THERE IS A CLEAN UP COMMITTEE, A CHAIR HERE TO PLAN AND ORGANIZE CLEANLINESS IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY AND ALSO THE RECYCLING ON REDUCE, REUSE, RECYCLE. SO THEY'VE GOT THE, THE STRUCTURE DYNAMICS. YEAH. SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS GET WHAT WE'RE DOING IS GETTING TO PEOPLE. BUT THE STANDARD THOSE TOWNS REPRESENTED IT, THEY RETAIN COUNCILMAN OR SOMEONE THEY CAN APPOINT SOMEONE. SO THEN WE KIND OF HAVE AN ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING FROM THAT POINT FORWARD. AND THEY WOULD THEY REPORT TO YOU, MRS. LEWIS? WHO ARE THEY GOING TO BE CONTACTING? BUT, YOU KNOW, HALF OR MORE OF THE MEMBERS ARE APPOINTED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. SO THEY WOULD, I GUESS, THEY MIGHT BE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AS THEY ARE APPOINTED TO THEM, JUST LIKE THE PLANNING COMMISSION. [00:10:07] YES, BUT I WOULD ASSUME WE AS A STAFF WOULD LEAD THAT EFFORT AND MAKE SURE THAT JUST LIKE WE DO OTHER COMMITTEES, THAT THEY SHOW UP AND MEET ON TIME AND AND STAY ORGANIZED, UNLOCK THE DOORS AND TURN ON THE LIGHTS. THAT'S RIGHT. WELL, I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT GOING ON, BUT IF YOU COULD MAKE IT HAVE A IF YOU CAN'T BE HERE NEXT, AT OUR MEET OUR NEXT MEETING HAVE JUST SENT A WORD. DO WE HAVE THE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW AT THE PEOPLE VOLUNTEER OR IT TAKES YOU. BACK ON THE BOARD'S AGENDA TUESDAY. SO WE KEEP IT MOVING? WITH SOME MORE APPOINTMENTS. SO THAT'S A TASK FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO KEEP IT MOVING. THIS COMING TUESDAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO SO WE'LL ORGANIZING AND WE JUST NEED TO GET THE REST OF THE PERSONNEL COMMITTED AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A I GUESS THEY WOULD LIKE AN ORGANIZATION, A MEETING AND THEN TO GO FORWARD FROM THAT, I GUESS. WELL, I'LL HAVE A JOINT MEETING BECAUSE THERE IS AN ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING THAT ORGANIZE THEMSELVES. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT YOU'LL HAVE A JOINT MEET AND GREET KIND OF MEETING. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE ON THE LITTLE COUNCIL DISCUSSION, THEN? I FEEL LIKE WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS AND APPRECIATE THE SUPERVISORS, YOU KNOW, GETTING THEIR REPRESENTATION. AND WE GET THE TOWNSHIPS AND OTHER ANY OTHER COMMUNITY PERSONNEL, I THINK WOULD BE GREAT. AND MAYBE WE CAN COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, AND NOW WHY IS IT CHESTERFIELD THAT'S A MODEL COMMUNITY, I'M ASSUMING, OR DID THEY HAVE A TREMENDOUS PROBLEM AND THEN THEY'VE ADDRESSED IT? SUPERVISOR EDWARDS RECOMMENDED THEM AS A MODEL TO LOOK AT BECAUSE THEY HAVE. WE MAYBE GET PERSONNEL FROM THERE TO COME AND MEET WITH US. THAT'S PLAN TO GET EVERYTHING TOGETHER, GET ORGANIZED AND THEN HAVE A JOINT MEETING WITH EVERYBODY AND ASK THEM THEY WOULD COME AND JUST LET US KNOW WHAT HOW THEY HANDLED IT. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I REALLY THINK THIS HAS GOT TO GO SOMEWHERE IN THE PAST. IT'S ALREADY BEEN, YOU KNOW, HIT OR MISS HERE. AND THEY'RE THERE WITH NO REAL ORGANIZATION. RIGHT. AND I THINK THE PEOPLE ON THE COUNCIL FELT KIND OF HANDICAPPED AND WHATEVER. THEY JUST COULDN'T, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T. THEY COULDN'T GET VOLUNTEERS ALL THE TIME. AND THEY FELT LIKE THEY WERE. LITTER WATCHERS RATHER THAN TAKING CARE OF. THEY WERE DOCUMENTING THE LITTER RATHER THAN DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT. RIGHT. RIGHT. AND HOPEFULLY THE PEOPLE THAT ARE APPOINTED UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE AND URGENCY THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS PUTS ON, NOT JUST. THINKING AND PLANNING, BUT DOING RIGHT. RIGHT. AND HOPEFULLY PREVENT PREVENTION. YES, IF WE CAN PREVENT IT. I WAS IMPRESSED WITH HIS HIS CONCERN AND HIS WILLINGNESS. AND I MEAN, I WAS ENCOURAGED BY HIS COMMENTS LAST NIGHT. AND HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY PUT THEM ON ON THE AT LARGE ONE OF THEM. NO, I WASN'T HURT WITH IT. THEY ACTUALLY DO HAVE A REPRESENTATION. THEY DO THAT. THE RIVER KEEPER, AND THEN SOMEBODY FROM PUBLIC WORKS. RIGHT. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT ONE. NOT A NOT A RESOURCE. IT'S PULLED FROM IF WE GET IT ORGANIZED, I MEAN, TO REENGAGE THE ADOPTER HIGHWAY AND OR MAYBE REVAMP IT, I DON'T KNOW. BUT I MEAN, TO ME, THAT WAS A POSITIVE THING THAT I THINK OUGHT TO BE EMPHASIZED. AND THAT'S THROUGH [INAUDIBLE]. SO IF YOU DON'T. OKAY. ANYWAY, THAT'S ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. IF NOT, WE'LL GO TO ITEM NUMBER TWO ON UNFINISHED BUSINESS, WHICH IS THE UPDATES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND MS. LEWIS HAS MADE IT KIND OF EASY FOR SHE'S GONE BACK AND REVIEWED MINUTES FROM LAST SEVERAL YEARS TO KIND OF GET US UP TO PAR WITH THAT. WE ARE NOW FIFTH OR SIXTH YEAR NOW ADOPTED IN 2015. AND SO YOU ARE IN YOUR SEVENTH YEAR. BUT OKAY. WHAT THE GENERAL STATUTES SAY IS THAT YOU HAVE TO REVIEW IT. [00:15:06] AND SEE IF IT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED AT LEAST ONCE EVERY FIVE YEARS. IT DOESN'T SAY YOU HAVE TO UPDATE IT, YOU HAVE TO REVIEW IT. BUT IF YOU REMEMBER, SOUTHAMPTON SOLAR REQUIRED A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO INSTITUTIONAL AND THAT WAS DONE IN 2017. AND THAT WAS A REVIEW OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BECAUSE YOU DID SOME UPDATING AND IN A MEETING A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. IN EARLY 2000, NOW IN EARLY 2020. 19 2020. YOU SAID THAT, YES, IT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED, BUT WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF COVID. SO YEAH, THAT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. YOU HAVE TO TALK TO PEOPLE FACE TO FACE. AND YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY LOCALITY THAT HAS HAS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT HAS A DATE THAT'S OLDER THAN FIVE YEARS AGO. SO YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT. YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS AND EVERYBODY WAS INTERRUPTED AND YOU HAVE DONE SOME AMENDMENTS TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME. SO IN A SENSE, THE CENSUS DATA, HOW LONG HAVE YOU HAD IT? NOT VERY LONG. I DON'T GO IN PARTS OF IT. I WAS ASKING THE GIS PROVIDER ABOUT SOME MAPPING FOR THE POPULATION CHAPTER AND HE SAYS THAT THAT'S NOT EVEN AVAILABLE YET AND IT IS THE SECOND HALF OF 2022 THAT'S BEEN DELAYED AS WELL BECAUSE OF THE COVID. SO YEAH, SO WE'RE NOT OUT OF COMPLIANCE. EVERYTHING IS GOOD. OH, YOU'RE NOT OUT OF COMPLIANCE AND YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT. SO I GUESS MY NEXT QUESTION IS, I'M ASSUMING LAST TIME YOU WELL, YOU PRIMARILY PRETTY MUCH DID IT IN-HOUSE. I THINK IN YEARS PAST. I THINK WE OUTSOURCE IT. SO ARE WE PLANNING ON DOING IT IN-HOUSE AGAIN, $70,000 A YEAR, OUTSOURCING IT? WE DECIDED TO DO OUR OWN. AND I MEAN, I GAVE THAT MONEY. I THINK THE THIRD ONE I'VE DONE, I WAS THE THIRD. I'M SORRY, I SPENT OVER 60. YEAH, WELL, I THINK YOU'RE DOING GREAT. YOU KNOW, IF YOU GET THE INFORMATION AND THIS IS EASY TO SAY TO DON, BUT YOU CAN COMPILE IT. BUT I THINK IT'S BEEN GREAT WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, YOU KNOW, AND SAVING THE FUNDING OR THE EXPENSE, YOU KNOW, OUTSOURCING. AND LIKE I SAY, I COULD TELL A READING WHICH YOU HAVE COMPILED THUS FAR AS GOING TO BE IN EARLY. I MEAN, IF YOU'VE GOT THE CENSUS DATA, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF UPDATING THOSE CHARTS AND FIGURES AND POPULATIONS AND THAT TYPE OF THING. SO THE CHAPTERS THAT LOOK LIKE THIS, IT'S SAY CHAPTER ONE. YEAH. THESE ARE UPDATED FROM THE CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THESE HAVE NEW NUMBERS. BUT THIS IS THE FORMAT OF AN UPDATE. THE ONES THAT LOOK DIFFERENT, THE AGRICULTURE AND ENERGY. THESE ARE BRAND NEW, RIGHT? CORRECT. SO THESE ARE NOT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. YOU'VE LOOKED AT AGRICULTURE AND ENERGY. BOTH OF THOSE HAD TO BE UPDATED A LOT AFTER THE ADOPTION OF THE CURRENT UTILITY SCALE SOLAR REGULATIONS, BECAUSE A LOT OF THE IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES THAT WERE IN AGRICULTURE AND ENERGY WERE ADOPTED IN THE NEW ORDINANCE, SO THEY'RE NOT NEEDED ANYMORE. SO THOSE HAVE BEEN CHANGED JUST IN THE PAST MONTH. POPULATION HAS SOME NEW 2020 FIGURES IN IT. THE HOUSING ONE HAS NEW 2020 FIGURES AND THEN IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES THAT ARE A LOT OF THOSE ARE ARE NEW AND THEY ARE KIND OF ADDRESSING THE POPULATION CHANGES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. AND THEN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY AS THE POPULATION AGES AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN EACH HOUSEHOLD GETS SMALLER AND OTHER EXPENSES GO UP. SO YOU WANT TO FIND WAYS TO PROVIDE HOUSING, PERHAPS IN PLACES THAT PEOPLE DON'T NEED THAT SECOND OR THIRD CAR. AND THERE ARE CHANGES TO THE IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES THAT MAY HELP THE ENVIRONMENT BY BY PERMITTING LIMITING NEW SEPTIC TANKS, NEW SEPTIC FIELDS FOR MOBILE HOME PARKS AND BIG USERS LIKE THAT, PERHAPS NOT PERMITTING SEPTIC SYSTEMS IN R-1 ZONING, R-2 ZONING ONLY AND AGRICULTURAL ZONING DESIGNATIONS THAT ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS HELP THE ENVIRONMENT. SO THOSE IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES ARE NEW. THE TRANSPORTATION THERE HAVE BEEN TWO PLANTS THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED BY H.R. [00:20:04] TPO IN THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS. ONE OF THEM IS THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, THE BIKE PEDESTRIAN PLAN. AND WHEN THEY FINISHED THIS IN 2018, I THINK IT WAS 2017, THEY PRESENTED IT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND AND THIS COMMITTEE AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND YOU SAID THAT YOU WOULD REVIEW IT WHEN YOU REVIEWED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO THERE COULD BE PUBLIC COMMENT THIS LONG, THIS RURAL, LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN. IT'S A JOINT ONE WITH FRANKLIN AND SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. I ONLY COPIED THE PAGES THAT REFERRED TO SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, SO THE PACKAGE WAS SMALLER, AS SMALL AS IT COULD BE. THIS IS THE WHOLE PLAN. YOU GOT THIS UPPER HALF OF THE PLAN. SO THAT IS GOING TO BE ADOPTED, I THINK IN SEPTEMBER BY THE BOARD OF THE TPO THAT ROADS TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ORGANIZATION. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD TYPICALLY BE AN ADDENDUM TO YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE TPO IS ALSO VERY HELPFUL WITH THE TRANSPORTATION CHAPTER OF YOUR ORDINANCE BECAUSE THIS CHAPTER HAS TO BE REVIEWED AND ACCEPTED BY VDOT BEFORE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY CAN ADOPT IT. THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE STATE'S RULES THAT THEY GET TO HAVE INPUT INTO THE YOUR TRANSPORTATION CHAPTER LAST TIME. I, THEY DIDN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES TO IT. THEY JUST SAID, YEAH, THIS IS FINE. SO THERE'S STILL ENVIRONMENTAL. THE ENVIRONMENTAL CHAPTER NEEDS TO BE WORKED ON THE UPDATES TO THE POPULATION CHAPTER, THE COMMUNITY FACILITIES CHAPTER, WHICH IS SCHOOLS, LIBRARIES, WHATEVER RECREATION FACILITIES ARE AVAILABLE IN THE COUNTY. I, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER, BUT THEY'RE ALL GETTING WORK DONE. OKAY. WHEN YOU GET WHEN YOU GET FURTHER THE LAND USE CHAPTER THAT'S WHAT I HAVE. THE GIS GUY WORKING ON IS DOING SOME MAPPING FOR THE LAND USE CHAPTER TO PUT IN THE SOUTHAMPTON SOLAR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO INSTITUTIONAL AND THE PIECE OF PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL OWNED BY MR. WILLIAMS. HE CHANGED PART OF THAT TO COMMERCIAL SEVERAL YEARS AGO. SO THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED. AND THE PLAN MAPS THAT WERE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT YOU HAVE NOW ARE DONE BY PDC AND THEY ARE KIND OF, THEY DON'T HAVE PROPERTY LINES ON THEIR, KIND OF CONCEPTUAL, KIND OF SQUISHY. SO SHE PROVIDED ALL THAT INFORMATION TO KING MOORE, THE COUNTY'S GIS PROVIDER, AND HE'S PUTTING IT ON OUR GIS MAP. SO IT WILL BE MUCH MORE PRECISE. AND YOU CAN LOOK AT IT AT A MUCH MORE PARCEL BY PARCEL. AND HE'S MAKING IT SO WE CAN. BLOW IT UP AND LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, A SMALL AREA AND BIG SIZE. THE MAPS THAT WE HAVE NOW ARE JUST NOT VERY EASY TO MANIPULATE. SO HE'S GETTING ALL THAT TOGETHER SO YOU CAN DO THAT. AND THAT'LL BE AN IMPORTANT CHAPTER TO LOOK AT. YOU'RE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, SO YOU SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THE LAND USE PLAN. THERE MAY BE. NEW CATEGORIES, CHANGES TO THE CATEGORIES THAT YOU SEE THERE. THAT'S A THAT'S A CHAPTER THAT THAT DRIVES A LOT OF WHAT YOU DO. SO THAT WILL BE AN IMPORTANT CHAPTER. AND HE'S WORKING ON THE MAPPING NOW. OKAY. SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AS YOU COME UP WITH THE UPDATES YOU'LL BE SUBMITTING TO THE REVIEW. SO WHAT HAVE YOU DEVELOPED A TIMELINE? WELL, WE HAD THE TIMELINE BEFORE COVID, AND I WOULD EXPECT BY NEXT SPRING, YOU WANT TO START HAVING SOME COMMUNITY MEETINGS. I REMEMBER A COUPLE OF TIMES AGO OR LAST TIME WE HAD A MEETING IN [INAUDIBLE]. WE WANT THE [INAUDIBLE] TOWN HALL. RIGHT. AND WE WENT TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND CAPRON AT THE BURTON CLUB. I THINK IT WAS MOSES, WHY SHE'S BUILDING BY THE POST OFFICE AND CAPRON. WE WENT DOWN TO BOYKINS AND THEN WE HAD A MEETING HERE, SO WE TOOK OUR SHOW ON THE ROAD. SO WE'LL DO THAT AGAIN AS IT GETS, IT'S ALREADY THE MIDDLE OF AUGUST. [00:25:03] WE DON'T HAVE THE MAPPING YET. YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IT AROUND THE HOLIDAYS. BUT IF WE CAN DO IT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIME NEXT SPRING, THAT MAY BE A TIME TO GET PEOPLE OUT AND INTERESTED. AND THAT'S REQUIRED, CORRECT? THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS. THAT IS A REQUIREMENT. IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT. NO PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE REQUIRED, JUST LIKE WITH ANY ORDINANCE CHANGE. BUT IT IS ENCOURAGED AND IMPORTANT. YES, WE SHOULD BE TRANSPARENT TO THE COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY IN THE CHANGES. THEY SHOULD BE NOTIFIED. I AGREE. I THINK. DO WE GO TO THE FAIR TWICE? I WENT TO THE FAIR TWICE. ONCE. LIKE I SAY, SOME. SHE'S TELLING THE TRUTH AND I'M LOSING TRACK OF TIME. I KNOW WHEN IT'S A FARE [INAUDIBLE] WITH YOU. OH, I WENT TWICE, ONCE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PLANNING PROCESS. AND ONCE AT THE END. RIGHT. REMEMBER, WE HAD THE BIG MAPS, WE HAD THE BIG POSTER SHEETS AND GAVE PEOPLE DOTS. RIGHT BY WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS IMPORTANT. YEP. SO WE DID THAT TWICE. SO THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN A GOOD YEAR TO GO TO THE FAIR. IT WASN'T 105 DEGREES EVERY DAY LIKE IT USUALLY IS. SO IF YOU DECIDE THAT YOU WANT TO DO THAT NEXT YEAR, WE CAN CERTAINLY PUT THAT IN THE BUDGET. AND PLAN FOR THAT. SO, YEAH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM LINE, 90% OF THE PEOPLE COUNTIES DON'T EVEN KNOW THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT WAS NICE ABOUT GOING TO THE FAIR, BECAUSE YOU SEE PEOPLE THAT YOU WOULD NEVER SEE AT A MEETING, EVEN IF YOU HELD IT IN THEIR DRIVEWAY, THEY WOULDN'T COME BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T THINK THAT WHAT THEY SAID WAS IMPORTANT OR THAT THEY KNOW ENOUGH TO EVEN PARTICIPATE. BUT I FOUND WHEN I WAS AT THE FAIR AND I EXPECT SOME OF YOU THAT WERE THERE, I TALKED TO PEOPLE WHO ARE PUSHING STROLLERS, AND I'D SAY, WE'RE NOT MAKING A PLAN FOR ME OR FOR YOU OR MAKING A PLAN FOR THEM. AND THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE PUSHING STROLLERS. SO WHEN YOU CAN TALK TO PEOPLE. NOT IN A FORMAL SETTING AND WHERE THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO DO AND THAT YOU WOULD NEVER SEE ANY PLACE ELSE. WELL, THE PEOPLE THEY NEED TO KNOW THAT THEIR ENVIRONMENT IS IMPORTANT AND THEIR COMMENTS ARE VALUED. EVERYONE'S COMMENTS ARE VALUED. BUT, UM. YEAH. I WANT TO THINK THAT. PEOPLE. PEOPLE TALK ABOUT CARRIER FARES AND MAYBE BECAUSE I'M GETTING OLDER OR MAYBE TWO PEOPLE I'M ASSOCIATING WITH, BUT PEOPLE SEEM TO BE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT COUNTY AFFAIRS. YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS FOR US. AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, YEARS AGO I'M LIKE, MISS BEV, LIKE, I DON'T THINK NOBODY REALLY CARED. BUT NOW I THINK PEOPLE DO CARE. SO MAYBE THAT DILEMMA IS CHANGING BECAUSE WE DO NEED PEOPLE'S INPUT. AND WHEN YOU BRING THEM OUT SO YOU GET THEM ENGAGED. THEY THEY DO. THEY DID BRING UP PORTS OF ENTRIES AND THERE'S COLORS AND THEY CAN FIND OUT WHERE THEIR HOUSE IS. THEY CAN YOU KNOW, THEY CAN FIND OUT A MAP WHERE THEIR HOUSE IS AND. SO IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU LOOK AT WITH SUFFOLK. SUFFOLK IS REALLY THE DYNAMIC. THE SUFFOLK IS REALLY CHANGING RAPIDLY AND THERE'S A. WELL, THERE'S A BIG CONTROVERSY RIGHT NOW, NOT NAMING NAMES, BUT IT'S A IT'S A FARM. AND IT WAS A IT WAS A CATTLE FARM. TREMENDOUS. AND I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE NODDING YOUR HEAD. YOU THE WILLIAMS TRACK. YEAH. 464 SIX. WELL, YES, I'LL 416 CATTLE. SO Y'ALL ALL KNOW ABOUT IT. OKAY. BUT I MEAN, IT'S A SHOW THAT'S GOING TO THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE. THAT COULD BE A SIGNIFICANT, I THINK THEY SAID 5 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF WAREHOUSING. THEY'RE CLAIMING 78,000 NEW JOBS IS WHAT THEY'RE CLAIMING. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO THAT WITH A WAREHOUSE, BUT ON WAVY TV THIS MORNING, I THINK THEY SAID THAT INCLUDES CONSTRUCTION AND AFTERWARDS. SO JUST LIKE A LOT OF THINGS, THERE'S A LOT OF JOBS DURING CONSTRUCTION. WELL, DURING CONSTRUCTION THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT THEY'RE SHOWING UP 1000 ACRES OF GOOD FARMLAND. BUT IT'S RIGHT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THAT FAR FROM US. YOU KNOW, I MUST SAY, IT'S WALKING DISTANCE, BUT BUT THINGS ARE REALLY HAPPENING CLOSE TO US. [00:30:01] AND WE WE GOT TO PAY ATTENTION. WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO ADAPT TO THAT CHANGE. THAT'S ALL THE REASON WE HAVE A STRONG PLANNING COMMISSION, GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE BOARD. I KNOW PEOPLE WHO WERE ON THE SUFFOLK PLANNING COMMISSION AND VIRGINIA BEACH AND THESE PEOPLE SAY, LOOK, WE JUST WASTE OUR TIME WITH BATHING BECAUSE WHATEVER WE DECIDE TO DO, THE RULING, THE GOVERNING BODY DOES WHAT THEY WANT. FORTUNATELY, THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT IS IN THIS COUNTY. YEAH. SO THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND AND. SO THE OTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO I THINK WITH THE WITH THE CONFERENCE TO LOOK AT WHAT FORESEE WHAT KIND OF PROBLEMS WE MIGHT GET INTO AND BE SPECIFIC HOW WE WANT TO HANDLE THESE PROBLEMS. BECAUSE AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, THE STATE OF VIRGINIA, IF YOU FOLLOW THE CONFERENCE PLAN, NOBODY'S GOING TO SUCCESSFULLY SUE YOU. YOU MAKE A DECISION, RIGHT? NEVER HAPPENED. YEAH. THAT'S. THAT'S. THAT'S THE BACKBONE. UM. IF YOU GET YOUR PLAN RIGHT, YOU HAVE. I DON'T SAY IT'S A DEFENSE MECHANISM, BUT IT CAN BE A GROWTH. I YOU CAN LOOK AT IT BOTH WAYS. IT'S TOO SAD, YOU KNOW. WHAT'S ALLOWABLE, WHAT'S NOT ALLOWABLE, BUT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS IMPORTANT. AND IT'S IMPORTANT WHAT WE'RE DOING TO KEEP IT UPDATED AND MAKE THOSE CHANGES. THEY'VE CHANGED. SO. OKAY, WELL, WE'LL WE'LL CONTINUE TO. WE'LL CONTINUE FOR YOUR UPDATES, MS.. LEWIS AND PLEASE, PLEASE TAKE HOLD ON WITH THESE. IF YOU HAVE NOT THOROUGHLY READ THROUGH IT, GO BACK AND MAKE SURE AS WE GO THROUGH THE SECTIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, PROOFING IT OR IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, JUST MAKE A NOTE AND BRING IT BACK AND WE'LL DISCUSS IT FURTHER. AND AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, WE'LL ALL BE ON THE COURSE AND. WE'LL GET THAT COMPLETION TIME. WE'LL BE READY TO GO OUT AND ADVERTISE IT AND SHOW IT TO THE PUBLIC. AND YOUR AGENDA IS ALWAYS ON THE COUNTY'S WEB PAGE. SO IF YOU WOULD RATHER NOT KEEP ALL THE PAPER, YOU CAN CERTAINLY DOWNLOAD IT FROM THE COUNTY'S WEB PAGE. AND WHEN THE THE MAPPING THE GIS GUY GETS DONE WITH THE MAPPING, I'M GOING TO MAKE EACH OF YOU A 24 BY 36 SIZE ONE SCAN THAT TV AND PUT IT UP THERE ON PAPER. BUT WITH THE 2436, YOU CAN PUT IT ON YOUR KITCHEN TABLE AND YOU CAN MAKE NOTES ON IT LIKE YOU DID WHEN YOU WERE GOING THROUGH THE SOLAR ORDINANCE. YOU CAN MAKE NOTES ON IT AS YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IT AND THEN BRING IT RATHER THAN TRY AND FIND SOMETHING TO SCRIBBLE ON AND EVERYTHING. SO WE'LL MAKE IT SO YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S EASY TO COMPREHEND. I CAN. I'LL MAKE YOU A FULL SIZED COPY OF THE ZONING MAP, TOO, SO YOU CAN SEE. ZONING IS VERY SPECIFIC. THERE ARE LARGE AREAS ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT HAVE COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL PLAN DESIGNATIONS, BUT THOSE AREAS STILL HAVE AGRICULTURAL ZONING. THEY'RE TYPICALLY NOT CHANGED TO COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL UNTIL SOMEBODY WANTS TO USE THEM. BUT YOU CAN YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE WHERE THE COMMERCIAL ZONING IS AND THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING IS AND THE AREAS AROUND IT THAT THEY CAN GROW INTO. YOU KNOW, PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE. THE PROJECT IN SUFFOLK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. OKAY. I BET 90%. I TALKED TO SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE INVOLVED AFFECTED BY THAT. HAD NO IDEA THAT THAT AREA WAS ZONED LIKE IT WAS NOT THE FIRST. THEY DIDN'T EVER READ THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THEY'D NEVER CHECKED ON THAT. THAT'S A GOOD THAT'S A GOOD POINT BECAUSE. A LOT OF TIMES I THINK WHEN PEOPLE COME MAYBE TO YOUR OFFICE TO REQUEST A REZONING TO FOR, YOU KNOW, BUILD A DREAM HOME OR WHATEVER, THEY NEED THAT MAP TO SEE WHAT'S IN THE AREA, WHAT'S BEING PLANNED. YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO KNOW. YOU NEED TO KNOW THOSE THINGS BECAUSE THEY MIGHT NOT SEE THE PROXIMITY TO. THEY MIGHT NOT KNOW WHAT A UTILITY LINES UNDERNEATH ARE LOCATED. AND, YOU KNOW, WHY HAVE YOU GOT UTILITIES? THAT'S THAT'S WHY OUR YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO PROBABLY TRY TO ENCOURAGE GROWTH. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT BOTH LIKE I SAID FROM YOUR COMMENT THAT THERE WAS IN THAT PLAYING MAP, PEOPLE NEED TO BE AWARE, YOU KNOW, WHERE WHERE THEY'RE BUILDING THAT. SO THEY WON'T BE SURPRISED IN THE FUTURE, WHATEVER. I THINK WE RAN INTO THAT DISCUSSION WHEN IN VIVA AND A LOT OF HOUSES HAD BEEN BUILT AROUND THE AREA. [00:35:08] AND THE MAP I THINK AT THAT TIME WAS STILL BASED ON LIKE 1980 OR SOMETHING. SO WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING RESIDENTIAL THAT PEOPLE WEREN'T QUITE AWARE OF, THEY WERE BUMPING UP AGAINST INDUSTRIAL AREAS. SO HAVING IT HAVING NEW MAPPING AND MORE DESCRIPTIVE MAPPING WILL BE A GOOD THING. I WAS SURPRISED THOUGH, AND I PROVIDE THAT TO YOU ALL LAST YEAR. HOW MANY HOUSES HAVE BEEN BUILT IN THE INDUSTRIAL AREA AROUND AND VIVA AFTER AND VIVA WAS THERE? I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU COULD MISS IT, HOW YOU COULD NOT KNOW THAT THAT YOU WERE ADJACENT, NO INDUSTRIAL AREA. BUT THAT'S WHAT WE FOUND IN THE CURRENT INDUSTRIAL AREA THAT GOES FROM AND VIVA LIKE OVER TO SMITHS FERRY ROAD. QUITE A FEW OF THOSE HOUSES WERE BUILT AFTER AND VIVA GOT THERE. SO I THINK THERE WAS ONE UNDER CONSTRUCTION WHEN WE WERE HAVING. I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. I THINK THERE WAS ONE UNDER CONSTRUCTION. CORRECT. AND THAT'S WHEN THEY SAID THEY DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS NOISE AND THAT THERE WERE PARTICLES IN THE AIR. SO, YOU KNOW. YEAH, GOOD TO KNOW. UP FRONT. THAT'S RIGHT. WHAT'S GOING ON. MY THOUGHT PROCESS AND HEARING ALL OF THIS AND I GUESS IN TRYING TO GET GARNER COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ALMOST BE LIKE THE NEWS MEDIA AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SAY, OKAY, HERE'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN YOUR BACKYARD. HERE'S WHAT THE COUNTY WANTS TO HAPPEN IN YOUR BACKYARD AND TO STIR PEOPLE UP. I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OTHERWISE, IF YOU DON'T STIR THEM UP, THEY WON'T COME TO THE MEETING TO BE INVOLVED. PAY ATTENTION. PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT CAN HAPPEN. AND THIS IS WHAT THE COUNTY WANTS TO HAPPEN IN YOUR BACKYARD. THEY TEND TO TEND TO WAIT TO DELIVER. GREEN AND WHITE SIGN GOES UP AND THAT GETS THEIR ATTENTION. AND YOU KNOW, WHEN WHEN YOU START WORKING ON THE LAND USE PLANNING AND HAVE THE MAPPING AND COLORS ALWAYS CATCH PEOPLE'S EYE SO WE CAN GET THE REPORTER HERE AND HE HAS COLOR MAPS THAT. CATCHES PEOPLE'S ATTENTION MUCH MORE THAN IN ALL 50 PAGES OF TEXT. IN OTHER COMMENTS. I WOULD APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THAT TASK ON. I SAY THAT BECAUSE I THINK I THINK WE GOT AN ACCIDENT. WELL, I DON'T KNOW. MOST SUPERVISORS HAVE CALLED YOU UP, BUT WE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO COMPILE INFORMATION AND ANYTHING WE DO TO HELP YOU LET US KNOW. BUT ULTIMATELY, WE'VE ALL GOT TO PLAN. WELL, I THINK I THINK IT'S FINE WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND I SEE WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SOLAR ORDINANCE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, I WAS HAPPY WITH THAT. WELL, I'VE HAD MEETINGS WITH TWO DIFFERENT SOLAR COMPANIES SINCE THAT ORDINANCE WAS ADOPTED. I TOLD THEM BEFORE THEY, YOU KNOW, DROVE ALL THE WAY HERE, THEY MIGHT WANT TO READ THE ORDINANCE CAREFULLY AND SEE IF THE PIECES THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT COULD EVEN FIND A WAY TO FIT. AND THE ONE I TALKED TO MOST RECENTLY SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE TO ASK FOR A CHANGE TO THE FIVE MILES APART AND TO THE 100 MEGAWATT MAXIMUM AND TO THE AND TO THE MIX BETWEEN FOREST AND FARMLAND. AND I REMINDED THEM THAT THE ORDINANCE WAS ONLY. WEEKS OLD, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WILLING ANYONE WOULD BE TO. CONSIDER SUCH MODIFICATIONS TO AN ORDINANCE THAT WAS TWO YEARS IN THE MAKING AND THE INK IS BARELY DRY. BUT YOU'VE GOT TO LOVE IT ONE DAY. BUT THEY WANT TO MAKE SUGGESTIONS. THE MORATORIUM BEEN LIFTED OR IS IT JUST GOING TO GO SUNSET? IT'S JUST GOING TO END. IT'S JUST GOING TO SUNSET ON THE 10TH OF SEPTEMBER. RIGHT. AND THE THINKING WAS THAT BEFORE ANYONE COULD SUBMIT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A SITING AGREEMENT THAT WAS APPROVED AT A PUBLIC HEARING BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMUNITY MEETINGS BEFORE THEY COULD SUBMIT. AND NOBODY WAS GOING TO HAVE TIME TO DO THAT. BETWEEN THE TIME THE ORDINANCE WAS ADOPTED AND THE END OF THE MORATORIUM. SO THERE WASN'T ANY NEED TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS TO END THE MORATORIUM EARLY. EVEN CALIFORNIA IS STARTING TO BACK OFF ON SOLAR POWER. YEAH, I'VE SEEN THAT TOO. I LOOK AT IT SMALL, MEDIUM SIZED NUKE STUFF, BUT I THINK IT'S THE KEY TO, YOU KNOW, ITS SAFE CLEAN. [00:40:08] I THINK SO. A LOOK AT LESS LAND. MUCH LESS. PLUS THE RAIN KEEPS OUT. THERE MIGHT NOT BE ENOUGH PEOPLE LEFT IN CALIFORNIA TO DO THE ELECTRICITY EFFICIENT FOR ANOTHER 50 YEARS. YEAH, IT HAD TO COME OUT OF SOMETHING DIFFERENT. BUT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, ENERGY AND WATER ARE TWO BIG ISSUES RIGHT NOW, WATER AND ENERGY. WE HAVE 35% OF THE WORLD'S FRESH WATER IN NORTH AMERICA. PRETTY GOOD PRETTY GOOD SUPPLY THAT I WOULDN'T BE SURE WE MANAGED IT WELL IN ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATES. OKAY. IF NOT, I DON'T KNOW. SIX. THERE IS NO NEW BUSINESS COMING FOR US TONIGHT. I DON'T ASSUME ANYTHING AND NO BCA MATTERS. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO DISCUSS BEFORE WE ADJOURN WITHOUT A RELATIVE SHORT MEETING SO WE CAN GET THE DETAILS DONE? SO ANY OTHER ANY OTHER BUSINESS? SO MR. CHESSON MOTION TO ADJOURN. I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE SECOND HALF A SECOND. YOU ALL HAVE A SAFE TRIP HOME. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. AND THIS WILL SEE EVERYBODY IN SEPTEMBER. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL BE BACK TO YOUR USUAL FEEDBACK SEPTEMBER 1ST OF THE MONTH. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS NEW. THE TV. YEAH, THAT WAS ALL PUT IN AS PART OF THIS. OKAY. OKAY, MAYBE. MAYBE THE PICTURES NEED A LOT OF PICTURES AND A LOT OF INFORMATION. NOT ONLY. OKAY. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.