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>> LET'S START THE MEETING IT'S CALLED
[I. CALL TO ORDER]
THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY BOARD OF PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER TODAY'S AGENDA THURSDAY, JULY 14TH, 2022, CALL TO ORDER AT 7:30.DO WE HAVE A VOLUNTEER FOR A WORD OF PRAYER OUT IN THE AUDIENCE?
>> NO, WE DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? [OVERLAPPING].
>> OKAY. I GOT. LET'S DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE FIRST.
>> IF YOU'D LIKE TO JOIN ME PRAYER YOU CAN PLEASE STAND, IT WILL BE SHORT.
DEAR FATHER LORD, WE JUST THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE THINGS YOU DO FOR US AND WE THANK YOU FOR BEING IN CONTROL AND WE THANK YOU FOR THIS COUNTY, THIS STATE, AND OUR NATION.
LORD WE PRAY TONIGHT THAT YOU BE IN OUR CONVERSATIONS.
LET THEM GLORIFY YOU, GIVE YOU PRAISE.
LORD GIVE US MORE WISDOM SO THE DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE AND THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE WILL GLORIFY YOU.
WE PRAY THESE THINGS IN YOUR SON JESUS'S NAME. AMEN.
>> I BELIEVE THAT OUR CHAIRMAN, MR. DRAKE, IS A LITTLE UNDER THE WEATHER AND I BELIEVE HE SAID, HE WOULD BE AVAILABLE BY PHONE AND I THINK WE HAVE IS HIM ON PHONE.
BELIEVE I NEED A MOTION TO ALLOW HIM TO PARTICIPATE TELEPHONICALLY.
>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED? NONE. MR. DRAKE, ARE YOU THERE, MR. DRAKE?
>> GLAD TO HAVE YOU, I HOPE YOU START TO RECOVER SIR, AND START TO FEEL BETTER.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M GOOD LATELY.
>> IS EVERYTHING GOING OKAY IN NEWSOME'S TODAY?
>> ANYTHING WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT?
>> OKAY. HOW ARE THE CROPS DOWN THERE?
>> OKAY. MOVING ALONG TO ITEM NUMBER 2,
[II. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.HAS EVERYONE REVIEWED THE MINUTES?
>> OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES SAY AYE.
>> THOSE OPPOSED? HEARING NONE.
MOVING ON TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
[III. PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD]
WE HAVE MOVED THIS AROUND FROM THE BACK OF OUR AGENDA TO THE THIRD ITEM.AT THIS POINT, THIS IS A PERIOD OF TIME THAT IF THERE'S ANYTHING ON CITIZENS MIND, THIS IS THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT IF IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA.
SO THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, ITEM NUMBER 3, I WOULD OPEN IT THIS TIME.
[NOISE] NOT MUCH PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY.
GIVING EVERYBODY, IF THEY WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY.
WE HAVE NOBODY THAT HAS ANYTHING TO SAY.
OKAY? OKAY. MS. SIMMONS, COME ON UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
EVEN THOUGH MOST OF US KNOW IT.
>> 117727 SOUTHAMPTON PARKWAY IN PORTLAND.
I SEE THE UNFINISHED BUSINESS IN THE INPUT DISCUSSION REGARDING THE LITTER.
IT'S A CHRONIC ISSUE IN THIS COUNTY AND WE LIVE IN A CORRIDOR OR WHICH IS FOUND [INAUDIBLE] BUSINESS.
IT'S HORRENDOUS RIGHT NOW AND I DON'T KNOW IF TOMMY IS PUBLICLY HERE.
>> OKAY. THE GRASS AT THE ROUNDABOUT IS ABOUT GOING ON LOOKING AT WHEN THEY GET TO BEGIN IT'S TRASH ALL IN THERE.
THERE'S TRASH ALL OVER THE ROUNDABOUT, I THOUGHT THEY HAVE ROUTINE GUYS CLEANING, BUT IT'S ABOUT FOUR-AND-A -HALF FEET TALL.
WE NOTICED WHEN WE CAME AROUND THIS PAST WEEKEND, THERE WAS A CERTAIN ANGLE YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE THE CARS COME.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS.
I KNOW THE TIME HE PAYS TO HAVE.
TOMMY, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE NOTES.
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YOU AND I HAVE HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS BEFORE ABOUT PAYING FOR HAVING THE GRASS CUT IN THE BUSINESS CORRIDOR FROM THE BEGINNING OF IT UNTIL WE GET TO THE END OF THAT CORRIDOR.NOT ALL THE COUNTY ROADS THAT ARE IN THE BUDGET BEEN CUT.
>> MS. SIMMONS, I DON'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF, BUT CAN I ASK A QUESTION, JUST MRS. LEWIS?
>> OKAY. IS IT POSSIBLE WE COULD MOVE THE UNFINISHED BUSINESS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MOVE THAT DOWN BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE LITTER DISCUSSION IS GOING TO BE QUITE LENGTHY, IF WE MADE A MOTION TO DO SO.
I THINK LAST MONTH WHEN YOU ASKED THAT IT BE TOWARD THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ASSEMBLED HERE TO TALK ABOUT LITTER ASSUMED IT WOULD BE TOWARD THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, BUT YOU CAN CERTAINLY MOVE IT.
>> WELL, I EXPECT OF OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS WILL BE QUITE QUICK, THAT'S MY EXPECTATION, AND THEN WE COULD SPEND A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME ON LITTER.
>> YOU CAN CERTAINLY GET A MOTION TO DO THAT. YES.
>> I'M NOT MOVING MUCH LONGER BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANY PREPARED SPEECH.
I JUST LOOK AT IT EVERY SINGLE DAY AND EVERY DAY IT GETS WORSE AND WORSE AND WORSE.
THE GRASS IS GROWING AND GROWING AND UNFORTUNATELY WE'VE HAD THE RAIN TO MAKE THAT GROW, SO IT'S SUPER WORSE.
BUT ONE THING I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THE COUNTY BUDGET, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, NEEDS TO HAVE THAT GRASS CUT THREE TIMES A YEAR.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT IF THERE'S A SLUSH FUND AND THAT'S ANOTHER TOPIC IN ANOTHER OPINION.
BUT HAVING THAT CORRIDOR WHERE PEOPLE PAY TAXES AND RUN BUSINESSES YOURSELF INCLUDED IN OUR [NOISE] HOMELAND AND [INAUDIBLE] BUSINESS, IT'S VERY UNINVITING.
IN FACT IT'S REPULSIVE AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT PUTTING SOMETHING TO WORK SO THAT CAN BE CUT AN EXTRA TIME AT LEAST ONCE PER YEAR.
THE LITTER IS A WHOLE ANOTHER ISSUE THAT I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR EXCEPT EVERYONE NEEDS TO DO THEIR PART.
I KNOW THAT CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS PICK UP THE LITTER FROM THEIR PROPERTIES.
I'M GOING TO LEAVE WHAT I HAVE TO SAY, BUT MY SUGGESTION IS FIND THE MONEY AND MAKE THE PLAN WORK SO THAT TOMMY AND HIS GUYS AND/OR SUBCONTRACTOR THAT CAN DO IT SAFELY, CUT THAT CORRIDOR MORE THAN THREE TIMES A YEAR.
EVERYBODY THAT PASSES ON 58 FROM POINT A TO POINT B SEES IT.
WHEN I LOOK AT IT EVERY DAY, I'M EMBARRASSED.
I MEAN, I'M TOTALLY EMBARRASSED AND I FEEL BAD FOR PEOPLE THAT WORK THERE, LIVE THERE, DO BUSINESS THERE.
WE CAN'T GET NEW BUSINESS WHEN WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE A BACKYARD.
I'LL STOP WITH THAT STATEMENT AND THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME.
>> MS. SIMMONS, I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU WHEN WE HAVE THE UNFINISHED BUSINESS SECTION, YOU CAN MAKE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.
>> OKAY. I WOULD [INAUDIBLE] SOMETHING BUT THAT PICTURE PAINTS A THOUSAND WORDS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> ESPECIALLY THE SAFETY ISSUE WITH THE ROUNDABOUT.
IF YOU CAN DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE TRULY CANNOT SEE THE VEHICLE ON THAT OTHER SIDE.
I DIDN'T NOTICE IT BECAUSE I PROBABLY WAS ON MY PHONE BUT MY HUSBAND POINTED IT OUT AND I GO, "YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT YOU CANNOT SEE IT."
>> THANK YOU. MR. KOTLER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT ON THAT, PLEASE?
>> I JUST WANT TO DO IT IN THE INTERSECTION?
>> I ACTUALLY HAD CALLED IN CONTRACTORS TO CUT THE GRASS.
SO HOPEFULLY THEY'LL BE HERE NEXT WEEK.
BUT THE ROUNDABOUT, I CAN SEND MY GUYS OUT THERE TO CUT IN THE MEANTIME, BUT CONTRACTORS THAT WILL BE PICKING UP THE TRASH AND CUT THE GRASS ON 58 IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS,.
>> MRS. JERRY KEY WITH FEET UP.
>> THIS TIME THEY TOOK TO THE JOB.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE.
WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
DOES ANYONE ELSE WANT TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT? I'M GOING TO CLOSE IT AT THIS TIME. [NOISE]
>> LET ME RUN SOMETHING BEFORE YOU ASK FOR A MOTION.
I KNOW WITH THE LITTER, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE THAT WORK 8-5.
THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING FOR THESE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS.
THESE OTHER GUYS TAKING TIME TO COME AND BECAUSE WE ASKED HIM TO COME.
I JUST SEEN LET'S DO OUR LITTLE THING AND LET THESE FOLKS GO HOME WITH.
I'M SURE JERRY WOULD LOVE TO GET HOME BEFORE IT GETS [INAUDIBLE] [NOISE].
THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION.
THE OTHER STAFF, THESE PEOPLE ASKED TO GO.
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>> DO YOU WANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY?
>> I WOULD, SINCE WE'VE ADVERTISED IT.
>> I HAVE A LOT TO TALK ABOUT ABOUT LITTER. I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW.
>> OKAY. I MEAN, I'M A BUSINESS OWNER, IT'S NOT GOING BE 10 MINUTES. IT'S FINE WITH ME. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I THINK I'LL BE HERE REGARDLESS.
>> I AGREE WITH THAT. I WAS JUST TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE SOME FOLKS HERE, BUT IS THAT WHAT THE BOARD WANTS TO DO? OKAY. OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING, SECTION 5, NUMBER 1 IS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
>> WAIT A MINUTE. IF PEOPLE CHANGE THE ORDER, YOU NEED A VOTE.
>> WE HAVEN'T CHANGED IT. [OVERLAPPING].
[IV. UNFINISHED BUSINESS]
WE'RE OPENING NUMBER 4, UNFINISHED BUSINESS, COMMUNITY INPUT AND DISCUSSION REGARDING LITTER.I'D OPEN THAT DISCUSSION RIGHT AT THIS POINT. [NOISE]
>> CAN I SAY SOMETHING [INAUDIBLE]
>> I APOLOGIZE. I WAS NOT PREPARED [INAUDIBLE] IT'S NOT ONE OF THEM.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL KNOW THIS BECAUSE I DON'T PRACTICE IT EVERY DAY BUT I'VE HAD A PROFESSIONAL REALTORS LICENSE FOR 16 YEARS, AND WHEN JACK VIDEO YOUR BUSINESS, IT TRIGGERED WHAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT IT AS WELL.
EVERYONE THAT HAD PROPERTY OUT THERE, THAT LITTER AND THAT GRASS DEVALUES OUR PROPERTY ON ANY GIVEN DAY BECAUSE AS SUCH, A LARGE VOLUME OF BOTH AND IF SOMEONE IS ASSESSING THIS PROPERTY OR A HOME OR A FARM, PRESENTATION IS EVERYTHING.
NOT ONLY IS IT A PROBLEM WITH THE GRASS AND THE TRASH, PEOPLE ARE PAYING A LOT OF TAX MONEY, TO THIS COUNTY AND MAKING MONEY FOR COUNTY OR HAVING THEIR PROPERTIES DEVALUED, SO I JUST WANT TO PROVIDE THAT IN FOR THE INPUT CMA.
THOSE COMPARATIVE PROPERTIES AND A CLEAN AND NEAT FOR APPRAISE AND ASSESS FOR MORE THAN WHAT THEY SEE RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE. THANK YOU.
>> THIS EVENING YOU HAVE JERRY KEY FROM VDOT.
YOU HAVE SHERIFF WYCHE AND SEVERAL MEMBERS OF HIS DEPARTMENT HERE.
[OVERLAPPING] I LOOKED RIGHT AT IT.
[LAUGHTER] SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF WISDOM HERE TONIGHT.
YOU HAVE SOME CITIZENS WHO ARE VERY INVESTED IN THIS AS WELL, SO DON'T FORGET TO TURN TO THEM.
THE LITTER CONTROL COUNCIL APPARENTLY HASN'T MET SINCE COVID STARTED.
I HAVE THEIR MOST RECENT MEMBERSHIP, I GUESS, AND COPIES OF WHAT I COULD FIND AS MEMBERS FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR'S MINUTES.
MR. RANDALL HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TOWNS AND THEIR PARTICIPATION IN THIS SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY GETS LITTER CONTROL MONEY FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA EVERY YEAR AND THE COUNTY AND GET SOME AND SOME GOES TO THE TOWNS, SO I EXPECT THAT THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE REPRESENTATIVES ON THE LITTER CONTROL COUNCIL.
I HAVE SPOKEN TO HER COUNSEL, WHO IS LISTED AS THE EX OFFICIO MEMBER ON THE LITTER CONTROL COUNCIL.
HE SAYS THAT THE COUNTY HAS NEOPRENE GLOVES, THAT'S TWO OR THREE SIGNS, UPWARDS OF 50 LITTER GRABBERS AND HE HAS JERSEY GLOVES ORDERED AS WELL AS MORE BAGS.
HE SAYS IF A GROUP WANTS TO PICK UP TRASH, THEY CONTACT HIM.
HE DELIVERS WHERE THEY PICK UP THE SUPPLIES, HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY PAPER RECORD KEEPING.
THEY TELL THEM WHERE THEY LEAVE THE BAGS AND EITHER HERE, VDOT PICKS HIM UP.
MR. KEITH TOLD THEM THAT VDOT ALSO HAS BAGS AND VESTS AND SIGNS THAT CAN BE PICKED UP AT VDOT AND IF YOU TELL THEM WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO LEAVE THE BAGS, THEY WILL PICK THEM UP.
>> THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY LITTER OR CONTROL COUNCIL.
THERE ARE SEVEN MEMBERS APPOINTED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR EACH DISTRICT.
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THERE'S SIX APPOINTMENTS BY THE TOWN COUNCIL.THAT WOULD BE BOYKINS BRANCH, FEEL CAPER AND CORTLAND, AVAR AND NUISANCE AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE SIX AT LARGE MEMBERS AND THEN SIX EX OFFICIO, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT HAS BEEN ON THE LITTER COUNCIL? TWO FOLKS.
WELL TODAY AND THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, I'VE BEEN TALKING TO FOLKS ABOUT THE LITTER COUNSEL BECAUSE ANYBODY THAT GOES DOWN 58 THROUGH OUR BUSINESS DISTRICT IT'S LITERALLY EVERYWHERE.
I DON T THINK ANYBODY CAN DISPUTE THAT, AND WE HAVE A LITTER PROBLEM IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY AND I BROUGHT THIS ISSUE UP AT THE LAST MEETING AND I GUESS I ASKED THE BOARD, WAS THERE ANY INTERESTS AND ADDRESSING THE LITTER PROBLEM IN A WAY THAT WE DID OUR COMMITTEES FOR THE SOLAR PANEL AND I THINK EVERYONE WAS FAIRLY INTERESTING AND THE BOARD WAS INTERESTED.
>> SO I'VE MET WITH SHERIFF WYCHE, HE WAS VERY INFORMATIVE AND GOING OVER SOME ITEMS BASICALLY, WHAT COULD BE DONE AND WHAT COULD NOT BE DONE AND I TALKED TO MR. JOHN GRIGGS WHO RAN THE LITTER PROGRAM I BELIEVE IT WAS PRE-2019 AND THEN I TALKED TO SEVERAL OFFICIALS OUT IN CHESTERFIELD AT CURRENTLY HAVE A LITTER PROGRAM AND THEY HAD BEAUTIFICATION PROJECTS MIXED IN WITH LITTER CONTROL AND THEY HAD A THREE-POINT PROGRAM THAT THEY USE AS A MISSION STATEMENT FOR THEIR THEIR COUNSEL.
THEY CALL IT SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AND THEY DON'T HAVE AS MANY MEMBERS, BUT THEY'VE BOARD OR COUNSEL GOVERNS THAT, AND THEY GIVE MONTHLY UPDATES TO THEIR GOVERNING BODY.
WE'RE HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT WHAT SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY CAN DO.
NOW, WHAT I DID JUST IN TALKING TO EVERYONE IS I TOOK THEIR THREE-POINT PLAN AND I TRIED TO INSERT INSTEAD OF THE CHESTERFIELD SHERIFF'S OFFICE, I'VE PUT THE SOUTHAMPTON SHERIFF'S OFFICE, SO JUST LET ME READ THESE THREE POINTS JUST SO I CAN GIVE YOU A FLAVOR.
THE FIRST WOULD BE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO HAVE ON ITS AGENDA FOR AT LEAST SIX MONTHS AND JUST UNDERSTAND, I'M PUTTING IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY AS SOMETHING FOR A GUIDE THAT WE CAN START WITH AND WE CAN MODIFY AND CHANGE IS THIS BOARD WILL SEE APPROPRIATE.
SO PLANNING COMMISSION TO HAVE ON AGENDA FOR AT LEAST SIX MONTHS SIMILAR TO THE SOLAR PANEL ORDER AND STILL LITTER COUNSEL AND HAVE AT LEAST ONE JOINT MEETING TO REPORT PROGRESS TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
PLANNING COMMISSION TO WORK WITH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS TO PROBLEM SOLVE AND THINK OF PRACTICAL, NOT THEORETICAL SOLUTIONS TO THE SIGNIFICANT LITTER PROBLEMS IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY.
AS PUBLIC SERVANTS, WE SHOULD VOLUNTEER TO PICK UP TRASH AND ORGANIZE SOME LITTER CLEANUP EVENTS.
AS A START, THIS ORGANIZATION WOULD LIKE TO HAVE FOUR PUBLIC EVENTS PER YEAR FOR PICKUP OF LITTER IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY AND YOU CAN SEE HOW I'M PICKING ON THEIR MISSION STATEMENT AND I'M JUST UNCERTAIN SOUTH AND BE COUNTED BECAUSE WE GOT TO START SOMEWHERE.
THE NEXT ACTION POINT IS THE LITTER CONTROL COUNSEL TO WORK WITH VDOT TO START BEAUTIFICATION PROJECT, START WITH TWO ROUNDABOUTS AND CORTLAND AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE COUNCIL WAS WORKING WITH VDOT ON A BEAUTIFICATION PROJECT ON THE ROUNDABOUTS BEFORE COVID, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> PUT TOGETHER VOLUNTEERS THAT PARTICIPATE.
THE GROUP SHALL MEET ONCE A MONTH AND GIVE PROGRESS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
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THEN THE FINAL POINT IS THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE THROUGH THE LEADERSHIP OF SHERIFF WYCHE TO SET UP A LITTER PROGRAM AT HIS DISCRETION AND COMMUNICATE THE AVAILABILITY AND THE ENFORCEMENT CAPACITY TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.THEN THEY HAD SOME LANGUAGE BASICALLY ABOUT LITTER IS TO AVAIL COMMUNITY SERVICE TO THE COURT SYSTEMS TO COMMUNICATE THE IMPACT OF LITTER IN A COMMUNITY AND ETC.
THERE'S A LOT OF LANGUAGE WE COULD INSERT THERE.
BUT BASICALLY IT IS TO COMMUNICATE AS A PUNITIVE EFFECT AND TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF COMMUNITY SERVICE PROGRAM THAT WHEN YOU'RE CAUGHT DOING SOMETHING BAD, THEN THERE WOULD BE COMMUNITY SERVICE FOR DOING SOMETHING GOOD TO THE COMMUNITY.
THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE OF A 3-POINT PLAN THAT THAT LOCALITY HAD, AND I JUST INSERTED SOME THINGS WITH SOUTHAMPTON.
ONE THING THAT IN TALKING TO SEVERAL OF THE MEMBERS AND I'VE TALKED TO SEVERAL SUPERVISORS AND SEVERAL PEOPLE ON THE COMMISSION, IS EVERYONE SEEMED TO AGREE THAT THIS COUNCIL THERE'S AN ARTICLE IN THE PAPER, I GUESS BECAUSE I GOT SEVERAL CALLS TODAY OF PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN HAVING EVENTS, DOING SPECIFIC THINGS AS IT RELATES TO LITTER PICKUP.
I THINK IF IT'S VERY IMPERATIVE THAT THE RIGHT FOLKS THAT ARE GOING TO PARTICIPATE ARE PLACED ON THIS SPECIFIC COUNCIL.
THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT I GOT, AND AGAIN, I MET WITH SHERIFF WYCHE.
SEEMS SHERIFF WYCHE SHE'S VERY EAGER TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF BUDGETARY RESTRAINTS SUPERVISORY AND LIABILITY ISSUES THAT HAS TO BE WORKED THROUGH.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME FOR HIS END.
BUT SHERIFF WYCHE WAS VERY ACCOMMODATING, AND GIVING ME ALL THE INFORMATION.
I BELIEVE THE EXPECTATION IS WE HAVE DEPUTY AND I MISPRONOUNCE YOUR NAME, METER, WHO IS HERE WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, WHO I BELIEVE IS GOING TO BE PARTICIPATING IN THAT EFFORT, IS THAT CORRECT? WE HAVE SOME OFFICIALS HERE.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE TO LET US KNOW? I KNOW VEEDOT IS HERE, SO THE ROUNDABOUT IS OWNED BY VEEDOT, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> I KNOW THE LITTER COUNCIL WAS IN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT A BEAUTIFICATION PROJECT, MAYBE PUTTING A SIGN DO NOT LITTER.
I'M NOT JUST GETTING BITS AND PIECES OF THIS.
ARE YOU ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT EFFORT?
>> IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS REALISTIC TO DO? I THINK WHAT I WAS TOLD IS THEY WOULD PUT A DO NOT LITTER SIGN, SOMETHING APPROVED BY YOUR AGENCY, AND THEN TO PUT SOME FLOWERS IN THE MIDDLE TO MAKE IT LOOK A LOT BETTER THAN IT LOOKS NOW.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S REALISTIC?
>> I THINK IT IS, BUT I'LL FIND [INAUDIBLE].
>> CAN I ASK, AND I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE, I KNOW BETH HAS INVITED PEOPLE, LEADERS TO COME HERE.
AT THIS POINT I WOULD ASK THAT EACH ONE THAT HAS BEEN INVITED COME TO THE FRONT.
NUMBER 1, WE'VE IDENTIFIED THE PROBLEM.
I GUESS WHAT I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN YOUR OPINION IS WHAT'S THE SOLUTION? THEN BASED UPON THAT INFORMATION THAT WE WOULD GET FROM EACH ONE OF YOU, THEN WE WOULD MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATION AS FAR AS WHAT DIRECTION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO GO.
>> NOW I HAVE A QUESTION AS TO OUT OF ALL OF THE GROUPS OR ENTITIES INVOLVED, WHO CREATES THE MARKETING STRATEGY? BECAUSE THEY NEED SOMETHING THAT ENERGIZES ORGANIZATIONS TO WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN LITTER PICKUP.
A GREAT EXAMPLE REALLY IS WHAT JEFF TURNER DID WITH CLEAN RIVER DAY AND
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THE NUMBER OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT GO OUT IN APRIL AND CLEAN ALONG THE RIVER BANKS, BUT ALSO ALONG THE ROADS THAT CROSS THE RIVER.THAT'S A STANDING EVENT EVERY YEAR IN APRIL IT REVOLVES AROUND EARTH DAY.
I'M THINKING THAT SOMETHING SIMILAR FOR MARKETING TO GET EVERYBODY ENERGIZED IS TO CREATE THAT CLEAN THE ROADS DAY IN SOUTHAMPTON, OR CLEAN OUR ROADS DAY OR SOMETHING.
BUT IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT REALLY GRABS PEOPLE AND SAYS, I WANT TO GET OUT THERE AND MAKE SURE MY STREET IS CLEAN OR MY COUNTRY ROAD IS CLEAN.
THERE IS, YES THAT ADOPT THE ROAD STRATEGY THAT GOES ON IN THE COUNTY.
BUT I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY PEOPLE FOLLOW THROUGH ON PICKING UP LITTER THAT ON THOSE ADOPTED ROADS.
MARKETING, AND WHO IS THE POINT PERSON FOR CREATING THIS ENERGY TO GET PEOPLE OUT TO BE INVOLVED?
>> I THINK THE WOMEN'S CLUB IN BALKANS DOES THE SAME THING.
THEY HAVE AN EVENT EVERY YEAR THAT THEY PARTICIPATE IN STRONGLY.
MIGHT BE SOME IDEAS THERE THAT WE COULD-
>> RIGHT. BECAUSE THE CLEAN RIVER DAY, I MEAN, THERE MUST BE 25 DIFFERENT GROUPS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THAT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
TO ME, THIS IS AN EVEN BIGGER OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A CLEANUP DAY OR MAYBE THERE'S ONE IN THE SPRING AND ONE IN THE FALL.
BUT THE DAY THOSE PEOPLE, NUMBER 1, THE ONES WHO'VE SAID, I ADOPT THIS PARTICULAR ROAD, THEY SHOULD BE OUT ON A PARTICULAR DAY AND MAKE IT A BIG EVENT.
WHEN WE GO OUT FOR THE CLEAN RIVER DAY, WE TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS, WE SEND IN, THE NEWSPAPER RUNS ARE HUGE EXPOSE OF WHAT WAS COLLECTED.
PEOPLE FEEL REALLY CONNECTED BECAUSE IT IS A COMMUNITY-WIDE, A COUNTYWIDE EFFORT.
MARKETING STRATEGY ON THIS IS REAL IMPORTANT IN GETTING PEOPLE TO ORGANIZATIONS LIKE HE SAID, THE WOMEN'S CLUB AND DIFFERENT GROUPS TO CONNECT WITH THIS AS A COMMUNITY SERVICE PROJECT.
>> I THINK WITH THIS RIGHT HERE, SO EVERYBODY'S TERM HAS EXPIRED EXCEPT FOR ONE MEMBER.
I THINK THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESSES THERE HAS TO BE A SELECTION.
>> WOULD YOU THINK THAT CONTROL THIS GLITTER COUNCIL WOULD BE THE GROUP TO PUT TOGETHER THE MARKETING, THE PLAN?
[OVERLAPPING] I THINK COVID IS A LOT OF THE REASON BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE LAST MEETING WAS FEBRUARY 2020.
ONE THING I HEARD IS THE CHESTERFIELD COUNCIL OR GROUP, AND IT'S LED BY THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IN THAT PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCE, IT'S A VERY PRACTICAL COUNCIL OR ORGANIZATION TO PICK UP LITTER.
I THINK THIS WAS SET UP AT LEAST IN THE BEGINNING TO BE EDUCATIONAL RATHER THAN PRACTICAL.
BUT I THINK EVERYONE THAT I TALKED TO, THEY WERE, "JACK, WE DON'T NEED ANY EDUCATION.
WE KNOW WE GOT LITTER EVERYWHERE, SO WE NEED TO PICK UP." NOW, THAT'S WHAT I GOT.
THEY WERE CALLING ME, SOME OF THE PEOPLE WERE JUST VERY FRUSTRATED ABOUT IT AND I SAID, "WELL, I UNDERSTAND." I HAVE A BUSINESS ON 58 AND YOU COME ON OVER ABOUT 7:30 OR 7:00 IN THE MORNING AND I'M PICKING UP TRASH IN FOOD LINE BAGS AND HARDY'S BAGS.
IT'S JUST WHAT WE HAVE AND THEN WE HAVE TO TRY AND THINK OF SOLUTIONS SO WE HAVE TO PUT THAT GROUP TOGETHER THAT'S GOING TO PARTICIPATE.
>> IT NEEDS TO BE A STRONG ADVOCACY GROUP.
>> WHAT COUNTY WAS IT THAT YOU GOT THIS FROM?
>> WHY DON'T WE HAVE SOMEBODY FROM CHESTERFIELD COME DOWN HERE AND TALK TO US AND FIND OUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
>> I GOT ONE COMMENT ABOUT THE THING.
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I THINK THIS IS A GOOD START WITH LITTER, COUNCIL, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WAS ONE REASON, LIKE YOU SAID, BEING INFORMATIVE.BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT THIS ON THE PLACE TO THE JURISDICTIONS OF THE COUNTY, ONES THAT ARE NOT EXPIRED AND GET AN ACTIVE COUNCIL, THEN THEY CAN GO OUT TO THEIR JURISDICTIONS TO TRY TO RECRUIT THE CLUBS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS TO HAVE THAT BIG DAY LIKE MS. [INAUDIBLE] SAYING.
WE CLEAN UP THE ROADS DAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, TO GET THAT ENERGY.
LIKE I SAID, WE'VE GOT TO START SOMEWHERE.
>> I THINK WE NEED TO GET SOME INPUT FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERIENCED AND YOU TALK OF THESE PEOPLE, THEY'VE HAD EXPERIENCE.
LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET SOMEBODY DOWN HERE WHO'S GONE THROUGH THIS.
I HAVE ONE QUESTION, IF I MAY, MR. CATLIN.
WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM PENALTY ON A SIGN THAT VDOT WILL LOCATE AS FAR AS THE FINE?
>> ACTUALLY, WE CANNOT PUT A PENALTY ON THE SIGN.
>> [INAUDIBLE] TO PUT IT ON THERE. WE CAN PUT NO LITTERING SIGNS UP, BUT WE CANNOT PUT THE FINES.
MOST OF THE ONES YOU SEE THAT HAVE FINES ON WERE PUT ON THERE BY THEIR LOCALITY.
>> I WAS THINKING, WHEN YOU GO UP TO MAIN, IT'S 5,000 BUCKS ON A SIGN; GET'S THEIR ATTENTION.
>> THE LOCALITY CAN PUT THE FINE ON THE SIGN BECAUSE THE LOCALITY OWNS THE ROADS, RIGHT?
>> OKAY. BUT IN THE COUNTY, THEY'RE ALL BEAT OUT ROADS.
>> WELL, MAYBE WE MAY ASK WHAT THE FINE IS, YOU'RE NOT PUTTING IT ON THE SIGN OR?
>> IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE LOCALITY SAYS FOR THAT.
>> I'M TALKING ABOUT ON THE STATE ROADS.
>> WE DON'T PUT ANY FINE THOUGH.
>> THAT WE MAINTAIN. THE LOCALITY, LIKE MUNICIPALITY OR CITY, THE ONES YOU SEE NORMALLY ARE THEIRS.
BUT ANY THE ROADS WE MAINTAIN, WE DO NOT [INAUDIBLE].
>> OKAY. I WAS THINKING AT ONE TIME THERE WAS A SIGN OUT MY WAY THAT WAS $500.
>> WE DID USE TO PUT THEM, BUT THE [INAUDIBLE].
>> BUT I THINK THE FIRST THING WE NEED TO DO IS GET THIS LITTER COUNCIL SET UP.
>> I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD START.
>> THEN WE CAN INVITE SOMEBODY IN HERE, AND ONCE WE HAVE THE COUNCIL HERE TO BE HERE TO HEAR EVERYTHING, WE CAN START AT THAT.
WE HAVE OUR ADMINISTRATOR, BRAWN [INAUDIBLE], BACK THERE AND HAVE HIM PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE SUPERVISORS OF THIS MEETING TO GO AHEAD AND APPOINT THESE PEOPLE, HAVE SUPERVISORS READY TO COME UP WITH NAMES AT THE MEETING.
>> MS. LEWIS, I KNOW THAT THE BOARD APPOINTS THE SEVEN AND THE JURISDICTIONS, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE AT-LARGE MEMBERS? DOES THE BOARD APPOINT THE AT-LARGE MEMBERS ALSO?
>> OKAY. THEN WE WOULD NEED EACH TOWN TO APPOINT THEIR DESIGNEE.
THE EX OFFICIO, IS THAT OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR?
>> THOSE ARE OUR STAFF PEOPLE, SO VDOT WOULD APPOINT WHO THEIR EX OFFICIO MEMBER IS.
>> MS. LEWIS, ARE YOU GOING TO CONTACT THE TOWN COUNCILS, OR WHO IS?
>> YES, I'LL CONTACT THE TOWN COUNCILS.
>> OKAY. WELL, THE BOARD WILL TAKE CARE OF THE FIRST COLUMN AND THE AT-LARGE; MR. JACK, CORRECT?
>> CAN I MAKE A COMMENT. I WOULD RECOMMEND, BEFORE THE APPOINTMENT, TO ESTABLISH SOME KIND OF STANDARD AS FAR AS EXPECTATIONS OF THESE APPOINTEES.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IS GOING TO EXPECT THE LITTER COUNCIL MEMBERS TO MEET SIX TIMES A YEAR, WHEN YOU ASK THEM TO SERVE, I WOULD LET THEM KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE EXPECTED TO ATTEND SIX MEETINGS PER YEAR [BACKGROUND].
THE SAME THING GOES TO THE TIME, NOT TO JUST SAY, "OKAY, LET'S JUST REAPPOINT EVERYBODY WHOSE NAME IS DOWN HERE THAT'S WILLING TO SERVE." THEY HAVEN'T BEEN MEETING AND THERE'S APPARENTLY NOT A DESIRE TO MEET, SO IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT NEW EXPECTATIONS ON THESE MEMBERS, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE GIVE THEM SOME GUIDELINES ON WHAT THEIR JOB DESCRIPTION IS GOING TO BE.
>> IF THE EXPECTATION IS THAT THEY'RE OUT PICKING UP TRASH THREE OR FOUR TIMES A YEAR, AS A MEMBER OF THE LITTER CONTROL COUNCIL THEY NEED TO KNOW THAT AS WELL.
>> I WOULD THINK TOO THAT THEY NEED TO BE THE KEY ADVOCATES AND THE ORGANIZERS FOR GETTING PEOPLE ENGAGED IN DOING LITTER PICK UP.
THAT THIS IS A WORKING COMMITTEE, NOT JUST A DISCUSSION GROUP.
THAT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE IF YOU CAN GET THE ONES WHO ARE REALLY ADVOCATES AND INTERESTED ON THAT COUNCIL,
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THAT WOULD MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE IN MAKING PEOPLE GET OUT AND DO LITTER PICK UP.>> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE GET THIS FILLED OUT.
>> UPDATED. THE BOARD SUPERVISORS WILL TACKLE THE FIRST TWO.
ONE AND THREE, IF YOU SEE ON THERE, AT THE COMING MEETING, GET THAT, MS. LEWIS WILL GET THE TOWN COUNCILS.
THE EX OFFICIO, I'M NOT SURE WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.
>> IS THERE A SECOND TO THE MOTION?
>> OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ALL OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES.
>> THE OTHER MOTION I WILL LIKE WILL BE TO INVITE CHESTERFIELD AFTER WE DO THIS TO COME TO THE MEETING, AND IF THEY WOULD BE SO KIND TO GIVE US A RUNDOWN ON THEIR PLUSES AND MINUSES AND FAILURES AND ADVANCEMENT SO WE CAN KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
>> EVEN IF THEY CAN'T ATTEND, MR. DRAKE'S ATTENDING FROM ACROSS TOWN SO PERHAPS THEY CAN ATTEND THAT WAY AND THEY CAN SEND PICTURES, OR A PRESENTATION, OR MATERIAL AHEAD OF TIME, AND WE CAN HAVE THAT AND THEY CAN BE ON THE PHONE JUST LIKE MR. DRAKE IS TONIGHT IF THEY AREN'T ABLE TO ATTEND IN PERSON.
>> DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION.
>> ALL OPPOSED? THERE BEING NONE.
>> CHESTERFIELD TO TAKE PART AFTER THE LITTER CONTROL COUNSEL IS RE-FILLED.
>> SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THEM ALL HERE SO THEY CAN HEAR IT TOO.
>> ONE QUESTION FOR THE VDOT REP.
THE ADOPT-A-HIGHWAY, MS. LEWIS GAVE US A RUNDOWN OF THE ONES THAT WERE ADOPTED IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY LAST MEETING, AND THERE'S QUITE A FEW THAT HAD JUST GOTTEN THEIR SIGNS PUT UP, MAYBE IT WAS FOR ADVERTISEMENT OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, BUT NEVER RECORDED THAT THEY PICKED UP TRASH.
>> UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAD THAT HAPPEN.
WHEN THEY SIGNED UP, THE APPLICATION SAYS THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO PICK LITTER UP AT LEAST FOUR TIMES A YEAR, SO EVERY QUARTER.
>> WE HAVE HAD PEOPLE PICK UP TRASH AND NOT TELL US THEY PICKED IT UP.
SOME OF THEM ARE ACTUALLY ACTIVE, AND AS MR. MANN SAID, MS. WATFORD [INAUDIBLE] ARE IMPORTANT.
SHE PICKS UP EVERY QUARTER JUST LIKE SHE'S SUPPOSED TO.
WE HAVE EITHER 10,15 PEOPLE THAT DO, BUT THEY JUST NEVER TELL US WHERE THEY PICKED UP SO IT'S NOT RECORDED.
SOMETIMES THEY TAKE TRASH TO THE DUMP THEMSELVES.
WE DO SEND A LETTER TO THAT DONOR TO REMIND THEM THAT THEY HAVE TO, BUT SOME OF THEM RESPOND BACK TO YOU, SOME OF THEM DON'T.
WE DO FURNISH THE BAGS, WE FURNISH OUR [INAUDIBLE], WE FURNISH DESIGNS, AND IF THEY PICK THE TRASH OUT, WE EVEN COME GET THE BAGS.
SO THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO TAKE IT [NOISE] ANYWHERE, THEY JUST PUT IT IN ONE CENTRAL LOCATION WHEN THEY PICK IT UP AND WE'LL COME GET IT.
I DO HAVE A CONTRACTOR THAT PICKS UP LITTER WITH THE MOWING CONTRACT.
HE PICKS UP THREE TIMES A YEAR WITH THE MOW ONES AND HE PICKS UP ONE ADDITIONAL BAG DURING THE OFF-SEASON, BUT IT'S $100 A ACRE FOR THEM TO PICK UP TRASH.
SO FOR JUST THE PRIMARY RIGHTS INSIDE [INAUDIBLE], $10,000 TO PICK TRASH EVERY TIME HE PICKS IT UP.
BUT I CAN GET HIM TO DO THE EXTRA PICKUPS, [NOISE] THE ISSUE IS IT HAS DESIGNATED RIGHTS IN THE CONTRACT SO I CANNOT HAND [INAUDIBLE], SO IT'S MAINLY FOR 258 PRIMARY RIGHTS, 35.
>> WE DO HAVE SOME SECONDARIES IN THIS; 671 IS IN THERE, 635 IS IN THERE, 611, 650 ARE IN THERE.
I BELIEVE THAT ALL THE SECONDARY RIGHTS ARE THERE.
>> WHEN WE REDO THE CONTRACT, IF YOU HAVE RIGHTS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO GET ADDED AND WE HAVE A PROBLEM, WELL, I CAN LOOK AT ANY RIGHTS.
I JUST CAN'T PUT IT RIGHT ON THERE [INAUDIBLE] TO HAVE YOU SPEND $250,000 A YEAR TO PICK UP TRASH.
>> SURE. SO Y'ALL FIGURED RIGHT AWAY THAT YOU'RE PICKING UP IS TOWARDS THE ACREAGE.
>> I'VE GOT 250 SO I'LL MAKE UP THE PRIMARY [INAUDIBLE] PICKUP.
THEN IT'S ABOUT 89 ACRES OF SECONDARY PICKUP.
THE SECONDARY PRICE IS THE ONE THAT'S $100 TO PRIMARY RIGHT.
THE HIGHER THE ACREAGE, THE LOWER THE COST.
THE PRIMARY RIGHTS ARE [INAUDIBLE] BY $35, SO THAT'S NOT THAT BAD.
>> IS THAT SET SO THAT THEY'RE PICKING UP JUST PRIOR TO THEM CUTTING TO GRASS?
>> I CAN CALL THE VAN TO PICK IT UP IN BETWEEN, BUT WE NORMALLY DON'T DO THAT BUT ONE OTHER TIME DURING THE YEAR AND THEN I MAY MAKE HIM DO IT AN ADDITIONAL TIME, BUT IT'S JUST FUN [INAUDIBLE] [NOISE] DRAINAGE OR [INAUDIBLE] OR WHATEVER SO IT COMES OUT AT ALL SAME PLACES.
>> WELL, IS IT NORMALLY THE SAME GRASS CONTRACTOR WHO'S DOING THE LITTERS AS WELL OR THEY HAVE SEPARATE [INAUDIBLE]?
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>> YEAH, IT IS. BUT THE WAY WE BID THE CONTRACTS IS WE BID ON AS A PRIMARY CONTRACT AND WE BID ON THE SECONDARY CONTRACT, AND UNFORTUNATELY, [INAUDIBLE] I GOT TWO DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS.
I COULD HAVE BOTH OF THEM HERE AT THE SAME TIME WORKING AND LIKE I SAID, I HAVE CALLED THEM IN TO CUT THE GRASS AND PICK THE TRASH.
I CALLED THEM MONDAY, SO THEY HAVE 10 DAYS TO RESPOND, SO HOPEFULLY BY NEXT WEEK THEY'LL BE BEGINNING TO CUT GRASS AND PICKING THE LITTER UP.
I WILL TAKE CARE OF [INAUDIBLE], I'LL GET MY GUYS TO DO THAT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO AND CUT THAT. [NOISE]
>> DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THE COUNCIL? JUST ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FROM A VDOT PERSPECTIVE?
>> I THINK LAST TIME WHEN I WAS THIS PERSON WHO BID OUT WITH THE COUNCIL, THE COUNCIL HAD A LOT OF GOOD IDEAS BUT A LOT OF THEM NEVER COME TO FRUITION AND I THINK THAT'S THE ISSUE.
YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE DRIVEN TO DO IT.
>> PARTICIPATORS NOT PONTIFICATORS.
>> EXACTLY. SOMEBODY'S GOT AN IDEA BUT DOESN'T WANT TO FULFILL IT.
>> THAT'S WHAT I GOT FROM PEOPLE CALLING ME, IS MAKE SURE THE SELECTION PROCESS, YOU GET THE HEAD OF SOME OF THE GROUPS WHERE THEY CAN GET OTHER FOLKS TO PARTICIPATE ACTIVELY.
THAT WAS ONE MESSAGE THAT WAS PRETTY CLEAR TO ME.
>> IF YOU HAVE SPOTS THAT ARE REALLY BAD, BAD SPOTS, I CAN SEND MY GUYS OUT THERE TO DO IT, BUT I WILL NOT SEND MY GUYS TO DO IT WHEN I HAVE THEM DOING OTHER STUFF.
WE'LL HAVE A BIG TRASH [INAUDIBLE].
THAT'S THE ONE THING I HATE WHEN WE GOT TO TRASH [INAUDIBLE].
>> THE COUNCIL MAY WANT TO GET AT LEAST TOGETHER TO APPROACH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR SOME FUNDING AS WELL.
BECAUSE CAN'T DO EVERYTHING WITH JUST EVEN VOLUNTEERS, NEED SUPPLIES, AND NEED MATERIALS, AND NEED SANDWICHES NOW AND THEN, AND ADVERTISING AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
SO I THINK THERE MAY BE A NEED FOR SOME FUNDING AS WELL.
>> YEAH, HAVE A TRASH TAX. [LAUGHTER]
>> I BELIEVE AND I THINK VDOT WAS ACTIVELY INVOLVED AND THEY WERE GOING THROUGH APPROVAL PROCESS.
BUT I BELIEVE ON THE BEAUTIFICATION PROJECT OF THE TWO ROUNDABOUTS, I THINK THERE WAS DONATIONS THAT THERE WAS MONEY AVAILABLE AND THERE WAS NO FUNDS THAT WERE NEEDED. IS THAT CORRECT? THERE WAS SEVERAL PEOPLE WILLING TO DONATE THE FLOWERS AND THE MULCH AND IT WAS LOCAL BUSINESSES.
I KNOW JUST [INAUDIBLE], I THINK, WAS WILLING TO DONATE.
SOME OF THESE, I THINK THERE'S PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY THAT ARE WILLING TO DONATE AND I THINK THE WOMEN'S CLUB, I BET IF WE CUT THEM LOOSE ON SOMETHING, I BET IT WOULD LOOK REALLY IMPRESSIVE.
>> IT MIGHT HELP TO HAVE SOME INITIATIVE THERE THAT THEY DO CERTAIN AMOUNT AND THERE'S SOME FUNDS COMING FROM THE COUNTY TO SUPPORT THE CLUB, BECAUSE THEY NEED SOME FUNDRAISERS SOMETIMES.
>> SURE. I KNOW THE COURTLAND YOUTH ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION AND I'M A PART OF, IS WE GOT THE COURTLAND RURITANS BECAUSE WE WERE HAVING TROUBLE, WE NEEDED SOME HELP.
THOSE GUYS REALLY STEPPED UP AND FILLED THAT VOID.
SOMETIMES ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS ACT OR ASK AND PUT THE RIGHT PIECES IN PLACE.
BUT I THINK EVERYBODY IS PRETTY CONSISTENT OF WANTING TO HELP HERE, SO THAT'S THE GOOD NEWS.
AFTER COVID, EVERYBODY'S READY TO GET OUT AND AT LEAST HOPEFULLY IT'S ALMOST OVER.
I KEEP SAYING THAT EVERY SIX MONTHS.
>> BEFORE WE MOVE TO [INAUDIBLE] THING, TWO THINGS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY NOTES FROM THE COUNCIL OR WHATEVER WHEN YOU WERE ON IT PRIOR TO 2020?
>> I CAN GO BACK AND LOOK BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'LL DO WITH THAT.
>> I WAS ON IT PROBABLY IN '18 OR '19 WHEN THEY DID THAT WHEN I WAS THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR VDOT.
>> HOW ABOUT AS FAR AS TIRES ARE CONCERNED? WHEN YOU'VE GOT THE CONTRACT, THEY'RE PICKING UP TRASH.
DO THEY DO SOMETHING WITH THE TIRES THAT'S ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD?
>> THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO PICK ANYTHING UP BESIDE THE ROAD, AND IF THEY HAVE STUFF THAT'S HAZARDOUS MATERIAL, WHICH IS LIKE BATTERIES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WE PICK THEM UP.
BUT THEY NEED TO NOTIFY US, BUT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO PICK UP EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE HIGHWAY.
>> HOW ABOUT, DO CLUBS GO IN THERE AND START PICKING STUFF UP ON THE SECONDARY ROADS THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE CONTRACTS ON?
>> SAME THING. THEY THEY CALL US, WE WILL PICK IT UP.
>> OKAY. BECAUSE I'VE RUN INTO PLACES THAT I PICK UP ONE OR TWO AND BEFORE I FINISH, THERE'S 28 IN THE BACK OF THE TRUCK. [OVERLAPPING].
>> YEAH, IF YOU LET US KNOW WHERE THEY ARE, WE'LL PICK THEM UP.
>> JUST ON THAT NOTE, WE HAVE BEEN OUT AS A GROUP OUT OF CAPRON AND PICKED
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UP ALONG KERRY'S BRIDGE ROAD AND THAT BACK-ROAD GOES DOWN TO THE BOAT LANDING AND THERE ARE ALWAYS AT LEAST 20 TIRES OR MORE.ON ONE OCCASION, WE PICKED UP AN ENTIRE BATHROOM WHERE PEOPLE HAD JUST DUMPED THE HOSE, THE TUB, THE SURROUND, EVERYTHING, SO IT'S AMAZING WHAT YOU FIND IN THESE OBSCURE PLACES THAT NOBODY HAS TOUCHED IN A LONG TIME.
SO IT'S A GOOD THING TO GO OUT AND THAT'S ONCE A YEAR, WE GO OUT AND DO THAT.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT ON MY ROAD, 652 GOES BY MY HOUSE, IT IS ALWAYS KEPT IN EXCELLENT CONDITION BECAUSE A FAMILY ADOPTED THAT ROAD AND THE FAMILY IS A PERSON WHO WORKED FOR VDOT AND IS RETIRED.
>> YES. [NOISE] IT'S ALWAYS PERFECT.
>> LEON PICKS HIS UP EVERY QUARTER.
ACTUALLY, HE PICKS UP MORE THAN EVERY QUARTER, BUT YES, HE'S ONE THAT DOES WHAT HE'S SUPPOSED TO DO.
>> I SAW HIM LAST WEEK. HE WAS HAVING A NICE WEEK.
>> WELL, I KNOW THAT OUR WASTE DISPOSAL IN THE COUNTY BACKED AWAY FROM TAKING TIRES AT THEIR PLACES IN FRANKLIN, IS THAT RIGHT? YOU GOT TO CARRY IT TO FRANKLIN, YOU GOT TO CARRY IT YOURSELF.
>> TO [INAUDIBLE] 460 TIRE COMMISSION.
>> MAYBE TWO OR THREE YEARS, THAT MIGHT CHANGE.
>> WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER THE VDOT HAD AN INTEREST
>> I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE TAKE THEM.
MY GUYS KNOW BECAUSE THEY PICK THEM UP, BUT I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT [INAUDIBLE].
>> WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER VDOT MIGHT WORK WITH THE COUNTY IN OUR WASTE DISPOSAL BECAUSE TIRES ARE AN ISSUE.
I THINK WHEN YOU COULDN'T CARRY THEM TO FRANKLIN OR YOU COULDN'T CARRY THEM TO A LOCAL SPOT, I STARTED PICKING UP MY PROPERTY.
I KNOW YEARS AGO, I THINK IT WAS A SITE UP IN RICHMOND, THAT THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT PUTTING IN A ROUNDABOUT OR SOMETHING.
DIDN'T THEY HAVE A MASSIVE PLACE SOME CONTRACT GUY WAS JUST DUMPING THEM AND YOU ALL RAN INTO IT AND THAT WAS A MESS? THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO TRY TO AVOID WITHIN THE STATE, BUT WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO PUT SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY ON THE MAP BECAUSE WE GOT TOO MANY TIRES.
SO IT WOULD BE NICE IF SOME INPUT FROM VDOT COULD COME IN AND HELP ON THE TIRES.
>> THANK YOU FOR COMING, SIR. WE APPRECIATE IT.
>> HOW ABOUT SOME INPUT FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE?
>> MY NAME IS SEE SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING.
I HAD TO TRAVEL THAT ROAD JUST LIKE YOU AND YOU GET [INAUDIBLE] THAT EACH OF YOU DO; WHEN YOU SEE SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING.
CALL THE OFFICE, LET US KNOW ABOUT IT.
DON'T TRY TO TAKE IT UPON YOURSELF TO BE STOPPING THESE PEOPLE AND LET THEM KNOW ABOUT THEIR TRASH BECAUSE HE COULD BE RUNNING A WHOLE [INAUDIBLE].
BUT ANYWAY, I ENDED UP CALLING IT INTO THE OFFICE [INAUDIBLE].
OF COURSE, I'M SURE HE CHARGED HIM.
>> I WAS TELLING SOMEBODY EARLIER, NOBODY IS GOING TO STILL TRASH OUT WHEN A POLICE CAR IS AROUND.
WHEN WE SEE, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF IT.
EVEN AT THE DUMPSITES, IF WE SEE TRASH OUT THERE WHICH I'M GOING TO GET MORE PRO-ACTIVE AS FAR AS YOU GO BY DUMPSITES TO START LOOKING AND YOU CAN SEE, IF YOU SEE THE TRASH OUT THERE SO WE CAN HANDLE IT, [NOISE] VERSUS THE LAW WOULD HANDLE IT.
BECAUSE I THINK THAT WE CAN HANDLE THEM MOVING BETTER ESPECIALLY IN FINDING OUT WHO THE TRASH IS, AND A LOT OF YOU CAN HANDLE THAT GOING THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM ITSELF.
SIMPLY TO FIND OUT WHO THESE [INAUDIBLE] AND HAVE THEM COME BACK OUT AND TAKE CARE OF THIS TRASH ISSUE.
BUT IT'S GOING TO TAKE ALL OF US TO GET THIS JOB DONE. ALL OF US.
>> SURE. IF I'M DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD AND SEE SOMEBODY THROW OUT SOME TRASH, WHAT'S THE BEST THING I CAN DO?
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>> BEST THING YOU CAN DO IS WHEN YOU SEE THEM THROWING OUT THE TRASH IS IF YOU GET THE TAG NUMBER, MAYBE WE CAN FIND OUT WHO IT IS THROUGH THAT TAG NUMBER.
BUT THEY'RE MORE APT TO THROW TRASH OUT WHEN LET'S SAY YOU'RE DRIVING ON THE ROAD WITH THE WRONG PEOPLE.
IF YOU SEE IT, CALL US, LET US KNOW.
THEN WE'LL TRY TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE.
BUT WE STILL GOT TO GET MANPOWER.
WE CAN'T BE EVERYWHERE IN THE COUNTY.
YOU MIGHT SEE THEM NORTH SIDE OF THE COUNTY, WE MIGHT BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE COUNTY.
BY THE TIME WE GET THERE IT'S ALL GONE.
IT'S JUST THE TRASH IS STILL THERE.
BUT IT IS [INAUDIBLE] AS FAR AS THE TRASH GOES.
IF THERE'S TRASH OUT IN THE HIGHWAYS, IT'S ONE THING THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE DONE AS WELL, AND AS MR. RANDALL AND I TALKED TODAY WE WANTED TO LET THE COURTS KNOW WE STARTED THIS PROGRAM, AND AS FAR AS HOURS GO, [INAUDIBLE]
>> IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD SOME SITES THAT WHEN THEY WERE CLOSED, PEOPLE WOULD STILL DUMP THEIR TRASH AT THE GATE AND PILED UP FOR SOMEBODY TO PICK UP THE NEXT DAY.
IN A CASE LIKE THAT, IF THE COUNTY HAD SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS, DOES THAT CARRY THE SAME WEIGHT AS AN OFFICER SEEING THEM DO IT? IF IT'S ON VIDEO AND YOU GOT THE PERSON SETTING THE TRASH DOWN THERE.
>> IF WE CAN ID, WE CAN GO BACK TO THE PERSON.
WHEN THE TRASH IS OUT THERE LIKE THAT, NINE TIMES OUT OF 10, SOMEBODY'S NAMES WILL BE IN THAT TRASH.
THEREFORE, OUTSIDE OF FACILITY, IF THEY WOULD JUST CALL THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, LET US KNOW THAT IT'S OUTSIDE THERE, WE'LL COME THERE, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE TRASH, AND THEN WE'LL MAKE CONTACT WITH THE PEOPLE. [INAUDIBLE]
>> WELL, I GUESS WHAT I WAS WORKING UP TO, IF THE SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS ARE PART OF THE COUNTY PROPERTY, WHETHER THEY CAN SEE WHAT'S GOING ON WHEN THAT STATION IS CLOSED, BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE GOT ONE OUT OF THEM BRANCH FOR THIS JUST IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE.
THEN BETWEEN THAT OR EITHER PRIVATE LANDOWNER, HAS A GAME CAMERA WHERE HE HAS ISSUES.
I'M NOT SAYING PUT THE GAME CAMERA AND GO TEND TO IT, I'M SAYING IF I'VE GOT A GAME CAMERA AND I'VE GOT A PICTURE OF A LICENSE PLATE, THE TRASH IS THERE, YOU FIND A NAME, WILL THAT STAND UP IN COURT ENOUGH LIKE THAT?
>> WELL, WE'LL BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THAT PERSON IF WE CAN, BUT WITH THE LICENSE TAPE, WE'D GO BACK AND RUN THAT TAPE AND ADDRESS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
BUT YES, IF WE CAN GET THE PICTURE AND WE CAN CONFIRM THAT THAT'S THE PERSON THEN WE CAN GO TO THE COURT.
>> BECAUSE TO ME THAT'S JUST AS GOOD AS AN OFFICER.
>> SEEING THEM THROWING IT OUT.
THEY THINK I CAN GET RID OF [INAUDIBLE]
>> ALSO WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CAMERA AND FIND THE PERSON [INAUDIBLE].
>> SHERIFF, JUST TO FOLLOW UP, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE ANSWER WAS, WE KNOW CHESTERFIELD HAS A LOT OF PROGRAM, DOES SHERIFF GILES SOUTH SIX, DO THEY HAVE SOME TYPE OF LITTER PROGRAM?
>> I'M NOT AWARE OF SHERIFF GILES' PROGRAM BUT I WILL BE REACHING OUT TO THEM. THAT'S [INAUDIBLE]
>> SHERIFF, I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD.
>> NO, I WAS JUST THINKING. THANK YOU.
>> I GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU. DOES THE COUNTY STILL HAVE THAT INMATE WORKFORCE THAT THEY USED TO HELP OUT WITH THE FAIRGROUNDS, WITH TRASH AND DO DIFFERENT THINGS? THEY DON'T HAVE THAT ANYMORE.
>> OKAY. BECAUSE I KNEW THEY HAD PRISONERS THAT WERE ON GOOD BEHAVIOR OR WHATEVER WHERE THEY WOULD GO OUT AND DO THINGS.
>> WORKFORCE, YES, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO PAY FOR NO PATIENTS, BUT THEN AGAIN, THE JAILS HAVEN'T BEEN SENDING AS MANY PEOPLE.
THEREFORE I THINK IF THIS PROGRAM STARTS, I THINK THEY'LL START TO SEND SCHOOLS.
PEOPLE WHERE THEY CAN GO OUT AND PICK UP TRASH, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO COME TO WORK AND [INAUDIBLE]
>> I WAS A PART OF THAT WHEN I WAS A PROSECUTOR.
IT'S A LOT OF NON-VIOLENT OFFENDERS, AND THERE ARE SO MANY QUALIFICATIONS TO GET TO THAT.
I KNOW THAT CHESTERFIELD GOES ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
THEY USE THE LITTER PROGRAM IN CHESTERFIELD TO ADD A COMMUNITY SERVICE COMPONENT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE RECKLESS DRIVING, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THOSE OFFENSES USUALLY AREN'T VIOLENT OFFENDERS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
BECAUSE IF IT'S A VIOLENT OFFENDER, IT PUTS A LOT OF, I'M TRYING TO GET THE CORRECT WORD HERE.
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THERE'S A LOT OF SIGNIFICANT LIABILITY THAT IT PUTS ON THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO STRICTLY SUPERVISE.IF YOU'RE PICKING UP TRASH, BUT YOU'VE GOT THREE DEPUTIES THAT YOU'RE PAYING FULL-TIME POSITION AN HOURLY RATE, YOU DO YOUR COST BENEFIT, AND THE COUNTY IS LOSING MONEY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?
>> IT WAS DESCRIBED TO ME BY A JUDGE, IT'S MUCH EASIER TO USE IN OUR LOWER COURTS THAN OUR HIGHER COURTS, JUST FROM A PROBATIONARY STANDPOINT.
I'VE GOT AN 18-YEAR-OLD THAT'S DRIVING RIGHT NOW.
PEOPLE LIKE THAT, THEY GET CAUGHT GOING THROUGH 58 AND THAT 50, THAT DROPS DOWN, GOING 80 MILES AN HOUR, 85 AND A 60, THAT'S FOR REDUCTION, THE JUDGE HYPOTHETICALLY IN HIS DISCRETION COULD ORDER 25 HOURS OF COMMUNITY SERVICE IN THE LITTER PROGRAM OR JUST ANY PROGRAM.
>> THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING TO THE JUDGE ABOUT THAT.
>> THEY HAVE TO KNOW THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT'S AVAILABLE BEFORE THEY START UTILIZING IT.
BECAUSE MY EXPECTATION IS THAT THE JUDGES ARE GOING TO BE REALLY PLEASED THAT THERE'S A PROGRAM AVAILABLE TO SOME EXTENT, AND THEN THERE'LL BE SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AT THE SHERIFF'S DISCRETION.
BECAUSE HE COULD GET OVERWHELMED.
THERE'S A LOT OF SPEEDERS OUT THERE, DEFINITELY.
>> ESPECIALLY IN [INAUDIBLE] [NOISE] [LAUGHTER]
>> STATE RUN PRISONS, THEY DO NOT HAVE A WORK RELEASE PROGRAM I GUESS WHERE THAT THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR LOOKING AFTER THE INMATES DOING THE WORK RELEASE, AND THIS DOESN'T PUT THE BURDEN ON THE LOCAL SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
DO THEY STILL DO THAT AT ALL? [BACKGROUND] THEY USED TO DO THAT IN CAROLINA.
I USED TO SEE THE BUSES AND THAT CAME OUT OF A CORRECTIONAL BUDGET RATHER THAN COUNTY SHERIFF'S BUDGET.
>> I THINK THE BUDGET IS GOING TO BE THE BIGGEST ISSUE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S COUPLED WITH [INAUDIBLE]
>> THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING ELSE IF IT CAME FROM THE STATE LEVEL AND FROM THE CAPRON PRISON.
I GUESS WITH THE PRISON IN CAPRON, ACTUALLY THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT FACILITY. IS THAT CORRECT?
>> NOT WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTION.
>> RIGHT. IF YOU INVOLVE THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS AND GIVE THEM SOME INPUT FROM V. FOR LOCALITY, I'M THINKING THERE'S SOME IN THERE THAT ARE NON-VIOLENT, THEY COULD ACTUALLY GET OUT AND DO SOME WORK RELEASE.
>> WORK WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS.
>> RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT.
BY V. BEING A STATE OFFICE, SOME INPUT FROM THAT.
>> WE USED TO DO IT, AND WE PAY THEM, WE HAD A CONTRACT WITH THEM THAT WE PAY THEM A FEE PER HOUR FOUR OR FIVE-MEN CREW, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THEM [INAUDIBLE]
>> WELL, I THINK EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM WORKS LONG HOURS, [NOISE] AND WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENCE HERE, IF EVERYBODY WORKED LONG HOURS, IT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
>> I REMEMBER THE SHERIFF'S ASSOCIATION PUT UP SOME LONG TIME 12 YEARS AGO DOING MORE OF THIS, AND TRUST ME, WE'RE DOING A WHOLE LOT. [LAUGHTER]
>>THAT'S RIGHT. ALL OF US, I BELIEVE.
>> I HAVE TO PAY MY GAS [INAUDIBLE]
>> I UNDERSTAND. THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING UP THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS BECAUSE THAT PUT THAT BURDEN ON THE STATE BUDGET.
>> I THINK IT GOES BACK TO A LITTLE CONTROL, BECAUSE WE'VE ACTUALLY GOT A PERSON ON THERE FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS.
IF WE CAN JUST MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S THE PERSON THAT REPRESENTS THAT GROUP.
>>THERE MAY BE SOME RESOURCES TO ASSIST THE GROUP SIGNIFICANTLY.
>> I WAS THINKING ABOUT A MARKETING THING, AND IF YOU BEGIN TO HAVE A GROUP OF ADVOCATES AND PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY INVOLVED, YOU ALSO HAVE A MEMBERSHIP CAMPAIGN WHERE PEOPLE CAN PAY A DOLLAR, 5 DOLLARS, AND I'M A SOUTHAMPTON CLEANUP BUDDY, AND IT BEGINS TO GENERATE FUNDS AS A SEPARATE POT THAT CAN BE USED FOR OTHER MARKETING MATERIALS.
I THINK THERE ARE WAYS OF US GETTING FUNDING FROM THE COMMUNITY AS PART OF A BUY-IN ON CLEANING UP OUR COUNTY.
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>>THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THE COMMUNITY INPUT AND DISCUSSION REGARDING LITTER?
>> [INAUDIBLE] I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS EVERYTHING [INAUDIBLE] ANYBODY THAT I KNOW WHO PICKS UP TRASH DOES NOT THROW OUT TRASH, SO THAT'S A GOOD THING.
BUT I THINK WE NEED TO ATTACK IT ON BOTH ENDS, PICKING IT UP AND GIVING PEOPLE [INAUDIBLE] ONLY BY COMING TOGETHER FROM BOTH ENDS ARE WE GOING TO REALLY GET IT.
I'VE NOTICED THAT, I HAVEN'T NOTICED, I HEARD IT FROM HAPPENING IN SOUTHAMPTON, BUT I'VE SEEN IT.
I'VE SEEN IT IN SUFFOLK AND FRANKLIN AND THAT IS THE TRASH TRUCKS THAT ARE CARRYING IT FROM THE OUTDOORS TO THE TRANSFER STATION OFF 671 LOSE TRASH.
I'VE SEEN IT IN SUFFOLK JUST RECENTLY THEY HAD A CREW ON ONE SIDE OF 58 BYPASS PICKING UP TRASH, GARBAGE TRUCK GOING THE OTHER WAY LOSING TRASH.
[INAUDIBLE] I'VE NOTICED THAT OUR DUMPSITES, PARTICULARLY ON SUNDAY, THAT THE TRASH IF THIS IS A DUMPSTER, THE TRASH IS LIKE THIS, SO THEY COME IN MONDAY MORNING OR TUESDAY, THEY COVER ALL THE DUMPSTER, THEY CARRY IT OUT AND BRING IN A BACKHOE, A FRONT END LOADER I RECKON IT IS AND PUT SOME IN A NEW DUMPSTER TO CLEAN IT UP OFF THE GROUND.
IT SEEMS TO ME THE ATTENDANT NEEDS TO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CLOSE THE DUMP WHEN IT'S FULL INSTEAD OF JUST PILLING UP.
BECAUSE WHEN IT'S ROUNDED UP, WHEN IT'S ABOVE THE TOP OF THE DUMPSTER, THEY'RE GOING TO LOSE SOME.
WITH THE TOP PULLING THE COVER OVER.
HE NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO SHUT IT BECAUSE I KNOW ONCE HE CLOSES IT, IF HE CLOSES IT AT [NOISE] THEN EVERYBODY IS GOING TO DUMP IT OUT OR SOMEWHERE ELSE.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CARRY IT BACK HOME.
BUT I ALSO NOTICED THAT AT OUR DUMPSITES, IF YOU GO DO YOUR DUMPSITE, NO MATTER WHERE IT IS, THE TRASH INCREASES THE CLOSER YOU GET TO THE DUMPSITE BECAUSE PEOPLE LOSE IT.
I THINK IT IS A GOOD THING IF YOU SEE A BAG PARTICULAR THE LOOK THROUGH IT, EVEN IF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE JUST CALLS SOMEBODY AND SAID, HEY, YOU GOT A BAG OF TRASH BY THE ROAD, HOW ABOUT YOU COME PICK IT UP.
THAT NOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL GO PICK IT UP.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO NOT PICK IT UP WHEN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE CALLS YOU TO DO IT.
IT'S JUST WHAT THEY GOT TO DO.
ANOTHER PROBLEM WE HAVE IS, I THINK PEOPLE GET UP ON MONDAY MORNING, THROW THE TRASH IN THE BACK OF THEIR PICKUP TRUCK HOPING WHEN THEY GET READY TO GO TO THE DUMP ON SATURDAY [INAUDIBLE] THEY'LL SAVE A TRIP.
THIRD PROBLEM IS THE TRACTOR TRAILERS COMING THROUGH, A LOT OF THEM SEEM TO WRAP CHEAPLY SOME OF THEIR CARGO, THEY JUST USE PLASTIC, AND YOU HEAR IT COMING DOWN THE ROAD JUST FLAPPING AND IT'S GOING TO TEAR OFF SOMEWHERE, IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE IT TO WHERE THEY GO, SO THAT'S AN ISSUE.
I THINK THE LEAST AMOUNT IS PEOPLE JUST THROWING IT OUT THE WINDOW NOW.
I THINK THEY LOSE JUST [INAUDIBLE] AND JUST THE BAGS GET AWAY FROM THEM AND WHEN THEY'RE GONE, THEY'RE GONE.
I KNOW SOME PLACES HAVE NOW PUT A FEE ON PLASTIC BAGS.
I DON'T KNOW OF THAT'S A WORKING SOLUTION BUT WE NEED TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING TO MAKE PEOPLE AWARE THAT SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IS GIVING TICKETS AND PEOPLE ARE LITTERING.
IF THEY SEE [INAUDIBLE] IN THE NEWS THAT A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PEOPLE GOT A 300 OR $400 FINE THAT'S GOING TO MAKE A BIG IMPACT ON PEOPLE ON THEIR TRASH, I THINK KNOWING THAT SOMEBODY IS GIVING A TICKET AND [INAUDIBLE] PAY A FINE.
SO I THINK WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS TO TRY AND STOP THE LITTERING AND THE SAME TIME WE'RE PICKING IT UP.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT AND COME UP WITH SOME GAME PLANS ON THAT TOO.
IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO BECAUSE IF YOU PICK IT UP THEY THROW IT
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RIGHT BACK AT YOU [INAUDIBLE] INSTEAD OF PICKING IT UP.ANOTHER THING I NOTICED THAT THE [INAUDIBLE] WAS MORE LIKE AWARENESS INSTEAD OF DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
I KNOW THAT THEY HAD THE BASEBALL TEAM OR THE FOOTBALL TEAM, I GUESS IT WAS FROM [INAUDIBLE].
THAT'S A GOOD THING. I KNOW A MAN THAT GOES OUT WALKING FOR HIS HEALTH AND HE PICKS UP TRASH EVERY SINGLE DAY THAT HE GOES AND YOU CAN SEE HIS BAGS BESIDE THE ROAD WHERE HE'S PICKED IT UP.
PEOPLE LIKE THAT NEED TO BE RECOGNIZED.
INSTEAD OF AWARENESS, RECOGNIZE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING SOMETHING LIKE YOU SAID, THE LADIES CLUB IN [INAUDIBLE].
>> WE NEED TO GET HIM ON THE COUNCIL.
>> YEAH. SOME THINGS IN THE NEWS OR SOMETHING TO RECOGNIZE THAT SOMEBODY IS DOING SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE GOOD TOO.
JUST SOME THOUGHTS THAT I HAD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS?
>> I'VE BEEN HERE A WHILE [INAUDIBLE] SPEAK FOR A MINUTE, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
YOUR ROOT OF THE PROBLEM TO ME IS THE FACT THAT THE FOLKS ACROSS THE STREET OVER THERE ARE NOT PROSECUTING ANY OF THESE PEOPLE [INAUDIBLE] TRASH.
[INAUDIBLE] YOU DON'T SEE PEOPLE GETTING CONVICTED IN THE PAPER FOR LITTERING ANYMORE.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BATHROOM GET ON [INAUDIBLE] WE'VE HAD BOATS AND TRAILERS, AND WE'VE GOT TOILETS [INAUDIBLE] AND THEN THE 30-MINUTE TIME FRAME FROM THE TIME I WENT FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER, THEY UNLOADED A TRUCKLOAD OF PALLETS ALL ON THAT ONE LITTLE SECTION OF ROAD.
IF YOU REALLY WANT TO SEE HOW PRETTY OUR COUNTY IS, GO AHEAD ON TO 258 [INAUDIBLE] ON SUNDAY RIGHT BY THERE AND LOOK AT THE BUZZARDS ONLY BAGS OF TRASH AT THE GATE.
THE [INAUDIBLE] WAS ALMOST SATURDAY, BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE TIME BUT THEY'LL PUT IT THERE ON SUNDAY.
THE BUZZARDS PICK THE TRASH, AND THEN THOSE FOLKS HAVE TO COME OUT AND CLEAN IT ON MONDAY OR TUESDAY, WHENEVER THEY COME BACK.
THAT'S WHERE I WAS BORN AND RAISED.
THAT'S WHERE I SPEND MOST OF MY TIME.
WE GET PLENTY OF TILES [INAUDIBLE] THEY WANTED TO CHARGE US TO MOVE THEM.
IF THEY'RE ON YOUR LAND, YOU'VE GOT TO PAY TO GET RID OF THE TILES.
BUT IF YOU ROLL THEM OUT ON THE SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY AND STACK THEM UP THEY'LL COME PICK THEM UP.
WE CAN'T CARRY THEM TO THE DOCK, WE DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO CARRY THEM [INAUDIBLE] MAYBE, MAYBE NOT.
I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING IN A WHILE.
MONROE ROAD ON YOUR WAY TO THE DOCK, YOU LOOK OFF THE EMBANKMENTS THERE'S REFRIGERATORS, THERE'S STOVES, THERE'S MATTRESSES, ALL OF THIS [INAUDIBLE].
THIS IS WHAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE TO LOOK AT AND IT'S THE SAME PEOPLE ALL THE TIME THROWING THIS TRASH OUT.
SYCAMORE CHURCH ROAD WHERE I WENT TO CHURCH, JUST RIDE IT AND LOOK AT IT SOMETIMES.
GROUPS THAT COME TO CLEAN UP THE TRASH [INAUDIBLE] YOU CAN GO RIGHT IN AND PICK UP TRASH ON SCHOOL HASH ROAD, DELAWARE ROAD, ROSE VALLEY.
YOU CAN PICK IT UP EVERY OTHER WEEK.
YOU'LL NEVER KNOW THAT SOMEBODY HAD BEEN THERE AND PICKED IT UP.
IT JUST GETS THERE THAT QUICK.
SO UNTIL YOU ELIMINATE THE PROBLEM WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE IT AND UNTIL YOU FIND A WAY TO DO THAT I JUST THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE A TRASH CAN.
I'VE HAD TO CALL THE STATE TO TELL THEM THAT THE FOLKS ON SCHOOL HOUSE ROAD PICKED UP THE TRASH BAGS, THE BAGS [INAUDIBLE] AND SOME OF THE PEOPLE WOULD EVEN RUN OFF THE ROAD AND RUN OVER THE BAG AND BUST IT OPEN.
I CALLED THEM AND SAID Y'ALL NEED TO COME PICK THE TRASH UP BECAUSE THEY PICKED IT UP AND THEN NOBODY CALLED TO TELL THEM THAT THE BAGS WERE TRASH LIKE THAT.
THERE ARE PEOPLE JUST PICKING IT UP BUT THERE'S MORE PEOPLE THROWING IT OUT.
SO I'M JUST SAYING UNTIL WE GET TO THE PROBLEM THAT JOSH'S FOLKS WHEN YOU CALL AND SEE SOMEBODY THROWING OUT THE TRASH STANDING THERE AND WATCHING THEM UNLOAD IT OUT OF THE TRUCK THAT WILL NOT BE A PROBLEM THEM TO GET A TICKET [INAUDIBLE] THE STREET AND THEY'RE NOT DOING IT.
THEY'RE NOT DOING IT. THE VEHICLE
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THAT THREW OUT THE FURNITURE [INAUDIBLE] STANDING RIGHT THERE, TOOK PICTURES OF THEM, GOT THE LICENSE PLATE.THE LICENSE PLATE WASN'T EVEN REGISTERED TO THAT VEHICLE AND IT WAS FROM SUFFOLK.
DID ANYTHING HAPPEN? NO. [INAUDIBLE] TRASH [INAUDIBLE] WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THIS.
OUR COUNTY IS BETTER AND THEY NEED SOME KIND, AND I LIKE THE PROGRAM, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE SOME KIND OF PUNISHMENT FOR THE FOLKS THAT THROW THEIR TRASH OUT AND I'LL AGREE OUR TRASH [INAUDIBLE] NEED A BIT OF CANVASING.
BUT YOU OPENED IT UP ON 258, SIX DAYS A WEEK THEY'D STILL THROW IT OUT BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO GO TO THE DUMP.
THEY DON'T DRIVE, LOAD IT UP, DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD THROW IT OUT AND DONE WITH IT.
I APPRECIATE YOU'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING.
I LIVE HERE, DON'T WANT TO MOVE BUT I HATE TRASH AND I PICK UP TOO MUCH OF IT NOW.
BUT ANY PATH THAT SOMEBODY CAN BACK OFF THE ROAD, YOU'RE GOING TO GET AND IF YOU EVER SEE IT STOP AND DON'T CLEAN IT UP.
THE NEXT [INAUDIBLE] WILL DRIVE BY AND SAY I'M GOING TO THROW MINE RIGHT IN THAT PILE AND THEY WON'T NOTICE MINE. ANYWAY, THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, MR. [INAUDIBLE].
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON OUR UNFINISHED BUSINESS DISCUSSION REGARDING LITTER? GOING TO CLOSE UNFINISHED BUSINESS [NOISE] AND WE'LL MOVE TO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS.
[V. PUBLIC HEARINGS]
OUR FIRST IS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, 2022 02, APPLICATION BY VANCE J. STEVENSON, AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MS. LEWIS.>> THIS IS AN APPLICATION BY VANCE STEVENSON FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO OPERATE A RIFLE OR PISTOL RANGE UNDER SECTION 18-3741, OF CHAPTER 18 OF THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY CODE.
THE APPLICANT SEEKS TO OPERATE A STILL TARGET SHOOTING COMPETITION, TURKEY SHOOT OPERATION.
THE PROPERTY IS A 1.5 ACRE PORTION OF TAX PARCEL 45-29, AND THAT WHOLE TAX PARCEL TOTAL 72.42 ACRES.
THE PROPERTY HAS A ZONING DESIGNATION OF A1 AGRICULTURAL, AND IT'S LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF GUY PLACE ROAD, WHICH IS STATE ROAD 728, APPROXIMATELY 1.5 MILE NORTHWEST OF ITS INTERSECTION WITH IVOR ROAD, WHICH IS STATE ROAD 616.
THE PROPERTIES IN THE CAPER AND VOTING IN JERUSALEM MAGISTERIAL DISTRICTS.
HE PLANS TO OPERATE A TURKEY SHOOT FACILITY.
THOSE ARE COMMON AS FUNDRAISERS THROUGHOUT SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY AND PROBABLY A MUCH WIDER RANGE THAN THAT.
BUT HE WOULD LIKE TO DO IT AS A FULL-TIME BUSINESS.
HE PROVIDED SOME CONDITIONS IN HIS APPLICATION.
HE SAYS DEERWOOD LLC WILL OPERATE TURKEY SHOOTS YEAR ROUND TWO SATURDAYS A MONTH FROM 5:00-10:00 PM.
THE PROPERTY WILL BE AVAILABLE TO LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS 5:00-10:00 PM ON FRIDAYS, SATURDAYS NOON TILL 10:00, AND SUNDAYS NOON TILL 8:00 PM IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
HE EXPECTS A MAXIMUM OF 100 VEHICLES AT A TIME TO BE PARKED ON AN EXISTING GRASSY SURFACE INITIALLY TO BE SURFACED WITH GRAVEL IN THE FUTURE AS HIS BUSINESS GROWS.
THERE'LL BE LIGHTING, IN THE FUTURE HE'D LIKE TO PUT UP A THREE-SIDED SHOOTING RANGE, AND UPON COMPLETION, MORE DAYS AND TIMES WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR SHOOTS.
THERE'LL BE 25 ROUNDS WITH UP TO 40 SHOOTERS PER ROUND.
EACH ROUND WILL HAVE A MINIMUM OF 50 PARTICIPANTS AND 100 PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO BE ACCOMMODATED, INCLUDING PARTICIPANTS AND STAFF.
UP TO SIX STAFF MEMBERS ARE EXPECTED ON THE EVENINGS DEERWOOD HOLDS THEIR EVENTS.
THEY WILL CONSIDER USING FOOD TRUCKS AND OUTSIDE CATERING.
THERE'LL INITIALLY BE PORTABLE RESTROOMS UNTIL PERMANENT ONES ARE CONSTRUCTED.
THE BUILDING THEY CONSTRUCT WILL CONTAIN THE RESTROOMS, STORAGE, A KITCHEN, AND THE CONGREGATION AREA.
IT'S PLAYING THAT THE SHOOTING AREA WILL BE CONSTRUCTED IN A SMALL CLEARED AREA SURROUNDED ON THREE SIDES BY TREES.
IF NOISE IS AN ISSUE A SIX-FOOT FENCE IN THE AREA OF THE COMPLAINT WILL BE INSTALLED.
SOIL TOXICITY TESTING WILL BE DONE ANNUALLY TO ENSURE OPERATIONS DO NOT NEGATIVELY AFFECT THE ENVIRONMENT.
WHEN OUTSIDE ORGANIZATIONS USE THE PROPERTY, A REPRESENTATIVE FROM DEERWOOD WILL BE IN ATTENDANCE.
NOW, THIS WENT OUT TO THE ABIDING PROPERTY OWNER SIGHT AND A SIGN WAS POSTED.
I HAVE NOT GOTTEN A SINGLE TELEPHONE CALL OR A COMMENT FROM ANY ONE CONCERNING THIS.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE SOME RESIDENCES AS
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CLOSE AS 1800 FEET FROM THE PROPOSED LOCATION.BUT THE APPLICANT HAS A PETITION OF SUPPORT SIGNED BY 28 CITIZENS WHO SOME OF THEM LIVE IN THE AREA.
MR. STEVENSON, I BELIEVE, LIVES NEXT DOOR TO WHERE THIS IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE WHERE THERE'S A HOUSE NEXT DOOR THERE.
PROPERTIES CURRENTLY MAKES IT THE AGRICULTURAL AND FORESTED LAND, AND IT'S NOT IN THE VOLUNTARY AGRICULTURAL DISTRICTS, SO NO ACTION IS NEEDED.
MY ONE CONCERN IS THAT GUY PLACE ROAD IS DESIGNATED AS RURAL RUSTIC ROAD.
IT IS MADE TO ACCOMMODATE UP TO 1500 VEHICLE TRIPS A DAY.
IF MR. STEVENSON'S BUSINESS EXPANDS AS I'M SURE HE HOPES IT WOULD, THERE MAY BE IMPACTS TO THE ROADWAY SURFACE.
IT'S MADE FOR LIMITED TRAFFIC WHEN IT WAS PAVED AS A RURAL ROAD, NONE OF THE EDGES WERE EXPANDED, NONE OF THE CURVES WERE STRAIGHTENED OUT.
THERE WAS JUST A SURFACE PUT OVER THE ROAD THAT WAS THERE.
THERE ARE ALREADY NINE HOUSES ON THE ROAD AND THERE ARE PLAN LOTS FOR NINE MORE.
THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT THE ROAD MAY GET MORE AWARE THAN IT WAS BUILT TO GET, VDOT DIDN'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS CONCERNING THAT.
I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
>> THE TOTAL PARCEL IS 72.42 AND THEN THIS IS TAKING UP 1.5 ACRES OF THAT TRACK.
>> YES. THIS IS RIGHT BY THE ROAD.
THIS PROPOSED AREA IS RIGHT BY THE ROAD, ONLY ABOUT A HALF-MILE AWAY FROM IVOR ROAD.
IT IS NOT INTRUDING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF HOUSES THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT ALONG GUY PLACE ROAD OR LOTS SO THEY'RE PLATTED AND IT'S NOT INTRUDING INTO THE AGRICULTURAL USE OF THE PROPERTY.
IT'S RIGHT UP THERE BY THE ROAD.
>> DOING WELL. NICE TO HAVE YOU HERE TODAY.
>> WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROJECT, WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE TO TELL US THAT MS. LEWIS DIDN'T ELABORATE ON?
>> ESSENTIALLY, THE INITIAL STARTUP BUSINESS IS GOING TO BE MAINLY JUST PRODUCING ENOUGH OF A PROFIT TO BUILD THE FACILITY TO BE ABLE TO GIVE US AN AREA FOR FUNDRAISER OPPORTUNITIES TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS.
I ACTUALLY WANT TO MAKE THIS INTO AN INDOOR FACILITY TO SHOOT AT WITHIN THE FIRST TWO YEARS.
NOT COMPLETELY ENCLOSED IN A SHOOTING AREA, BUT A THREE-SIDED BUILDING FOR THE SHOOTING AREA WITH THE BACKSIDE OPEN FOR THE SHOOTING BURN.
WE DON'T HAVE TO INSTALL THE INDOOR SHOOTING RANGE THAT STOPS.
REALLY, WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO ACTUALLY BUILD IT, PROVIDE THE FUNDRAISING OPPORTUNITIES, PROVIDE ADVERTISEMENT FOR LOCAL BUSINESSES AND EVERYTHING OUT THERE TOO, AND HAVE SOMETHING FOR THE COMMUNITY TO DO THAT'S TRADITIONAL.
MORE TRADITIONAL THAN GOLDEN BOWLING.
>> THIS ISN'T REALLY A MONEY-MAKING VENTURE, THIS IS MORE OF A SOMETHING FOR THE COMMUNITY.
THERE'LL BE ENOUGH PROFIT TO CONTINUALLY GROW THERE.
WE ALSO WANT TO, ONCE WE DO THIS BUILDING WITH THE CONGREGATION AREA, PROVIDE AN AREA FOR HORSE EDUCATION COURSES, BIRDS EDUCATION COURSES, ANY TYPE OF COURSE LIKE THAT PROVIDING FACILITY TO THEM AND JUST ALL AROUND IT'S TRYING TO GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AS MOST AS WE CAN.
>> THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF DETAIL HERE.
YOU'RE FAIRLY EXPERIENCED IN TURKEY SHOOTS? YES SIR. I GREW ACROSS THE STATE IN CAROLINA, SOON I'LL BE GOING INTO PENNSYLVANIA AND ALL THAT DOING PRO STOCKS AND MORE LIKE A REGULAR TURKEY SHOOT.
I DO PRO STOCK TURKEY SHOOTS UP IN RICHMOND, NORTH CAROLINA, AND GO ON IN PENNSYLVANIA, SIR.
>> THIS WAS RIGHT BY YOUR HOME SO YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH INVESTED TO KEEP IT LOOKING SHARP, RIGHT?
>> IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST DETAILED PACKETS I'VE SEEN.
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>> WELL, MR. STEVENSON LEARNED FROM THIS BODY'S COMMENTS IN THE PAST THAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR A BUSINESS PLAN AND YOU WERE LOOKING FOR MORE DETAIL THAN WHAT YOU THINK YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO.
>> IT WAS VERY THOROUGH, WHICH IS VERY NICE.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
>> IF I MAY, IN LOOKING AT THE PETITION OF SUPPORT, 28 NAMES ARE LISTED.
HOW MANY OF THOSE NAMES LISTED ARE IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA?
>> IF YOU LOOK ON THE THIRD PAGE OF THE STAFF REPORT, TOWARD THE MIDDLE OF THE PAGE, IT SAYS THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED PETITION OF SUPPORT SIGNED BY 28 CITIZENS BY COUNTY GIS RECORDS, SIX OF THE SIGNERS ARE PROPERTY OWNERS ALONG GUY PLACE ROAD, AND ONE OF THE SIGNERS IS AN ABIDING PROPERTY OWNER.
THERE ARE NINE HOUSES ON GUY PLACE ROAD TODAY.
>> I'VE ALSO GOT A COUPLE OF OWNERSHIP OF ABIDING PROPERTY OWNER, YOU'RE REFERRING TO PAGE 1.
IS THE ONE THAT'S BESIDE US VERSUS THE HOUSE THAT IS DIRECTLY BEHIND THE PROPERTY.
I GOT THE LANDOWNERS AROUND EVERY PROPERTY OWNER THAT IS DIRECTLY CONNECTED TO SIGN A ONE YEAR RAY DAVIS IS THE ONLY DESIGNATE CROSS ROAD REMAINS.
>> MR. ROHAS OWNS A PROPERTY THAT IS ABIDING YOURS JUST TO THE NORTH?
>> EVERYTHING WAS SENT OUT TO EVERYONE ON THE ROAD ALL THE WAY TO BRIDGEWAY FOREST THERE WAS PACKAGE SENT TO EVERY PROPERTY OWNER WITHIN A HALF A MILE TO A MILE.
SOME PEOPLE RESPONDED, SOME PEOPLE DIDN'T, SO ME PEOPLE THEY DIDN'T CARE EITHER WAY FOR SIGNING, SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH.
THEY HAVE THE SAME PACKAGE THAT YOU ALL HAVE JUST MODIFIED TO SPECIFICALLY TALK TO EACH INDIVIDUAL INSTEAD OF [INAUDIBLE]
>> PEOPLE ARE AWARE THAT YOU INTEND TO OPERATE UNTIL 10:00 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT?
>> YES, MA'AM. THAT WAS ALL PUT IN PACKAGES THAT THEY WERE SENT
>> ALONG WITH MAPS OF WHERE THE TURKEY SHOOT IS GOING TO BE THOUGH PLAYED IN PLACE AND WHERE THEIR PROPERTY IS IN REFERENCE TO TURKEY SHOOT.
THE DIRECTION OF THE TURKEY SHOOT SO THAT THEY KNOW IS NOT SHOOTING TOWARDS THE HOUSE.
IS NOT TOWARDS ANY BUILDINGS PRETTY MUCH THE CLOSEST HOUSE IS A QUARTER MILE AWAY OF ANY CONTACT WITH HIM.
I'VE ACTUALLY SHOT OUT THERE IN MY HOUSE NEAR THE FIRE ALARM, HE SAID HE WAS FINE WITH IT.
>> THERE'S NO REAL NOISE FACTOR?
>> NOT IN LAW THAT SPECIFICALLY WITH WHAT WE'RE SHOOTING BECAUSE IT'S LOW RECALL.
>> IT'S JUST BIRD SHOT, SO THE NOISE OF THAT, DOESN'T TRAVEL VERY FAR ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE SURROUNDED BY WOODS ON THREE OF THE SIDES.
>> WHEN YOU DO A COVERED AREA, I'M ASSUMING THAT THE NOISE FACTOR WILL EVEN DECREASE EVEN MORE.
>> IT WILL DEFINITELY, IT'LL DAMPEN IT DOWN SO MUCH THAT I WONT EVEN HEAR YOU IN MY HOUSE.
I'M READING THROUGH YOUR RULES, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE APPLICATION IT'S JUST GOING TO BE 22S, 410S, 20 GAUGE AND 12 GAUGE.
WE HAVEN'T COMPLETELY DECIDED ON THAT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THERE IS A RISE.
WHICH I'LL FURTHER PUT THESE THROUGH 20 GAUGES 12 GAUGES THAT'LL BE THE PRIMARY.
>> COULD YOU DO WITHOUT THE 22S?
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>> YEAH, I COULD DO IT WITHOUT 22S.
>> IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE SAFER.
I HADN'T EVEN REALLY DECIDED, BUT [INAUDIBLE].
>> YOU MUST HAVE A ROOF ON THAT FROM THE 22S. THE ONES I'VE BEEN TO.
>> THE GREEN AND WHITE SIGN HAS BEEN UP SINCE JUNE 23RD, SO IT'S BEEN UP THERE A GOOD THREE WEEKS WITH THE PHONE NUMBER ON IT, SO WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY PHONE CALLS.
>> VERY GOOD PLAN, YOU'VE GOT LAID OUT.
>> ONE OF YOUR CONDITIONS INDICATE THE SOUL TOXICITY TESTING WILL BE DONE ANNUALLY?
>> I GUESS, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE PROVIDED TO THE COUNTY, AVAILABLE TO THE COUNTY?
>> I'LL PUT IT IN THE ANNUAL RECORDS OF IT AS A RECOMMENDATION FOR IT TO BE PROVIDED TO THE COUNTY AREA AND I'LL HAPPILY DRIVE THAT, I WAS GOING TO TRY TO SEE IF BY GOING THROUGH THE CULTURE I GREW UP THERE'S ACTUALLY PARCEL OF LAND THAT'S POTENTIALLY AFFECTED THIS LEAD AND ALL THAT.
>> THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE MAINLY TESTING FOR [INAUDIBLE] WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT PH, I GUESS IN MONITORING THE PH OF THE SOIL BECAUSE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THE LAND BREAKS DOWN IN DIFFERENT PHS.
BUT IF YOU KEEP THE SOIL OF PARTICULAR PH THAN THE LAND WON'T BREAK DOWN AND GET INTO THE WAR.
>> WE ALSO HAVE PLANS IN PLACE TO CLEAN UP.
HOPEFULLY A MAJORITY OF THE LID.
THERE'S A BARRIER WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING UP TO CAPTURE ALL THAT LAND THAT WILL BE USING IT AS NEEDED.
IT'S PRETTY MUCH A WIRE FROM THE PAPER MACHINE [NOISE] AND THAT'S POROUS ENOUGH FOR WATER TO GO THROUGH.
BUT THE GAPS INSIDE ARE ACTUALLY TOO SMALL FOR ENABLING THE PASS THROUGH SO THEY CAN BE MORE CLEAN, SO WITH MINIMIZING MORE IN THAT ASPECT OF IT EVEN SITTING THERE.
>> CAN THE PH LEVEL TESTING BE ADDED? I'M NOT SURE AS FAR AS IT'S NOT REAL CLEAR WHAT YOU'RE TESTING FOR.
>> TOXICITY LEVELS, PH THOSE ARE GENERAL TOXICITY OF THE SOIL.
>> WHAT PH ARE YOU SHOOTING FOR?
>> WHAT PH ARE YOU LOOKING FOR, WHAT ARE YOUR LEVELS? YOU SAY YOU'RE TESTING FOR PH OF THE SOIL RIGHT?
>> DID I UNDERSTAND YOU JUST SAID THAT YOU SPOKE WITH ALL OF THESE PEOPLE WHO WERE NOTIFIED? YOU'VE TALKED TO THEM?
>> I HAVE NOT TALKED TO ALL OF THEM.
BUT [NOISE] I SENT THE PACKET TO THEM.
THE PACKET ALSO SAID THAT IF [NOISE] THEY WANTED TO CONTACT ME DIRECTLY THEY COULD CALL ME.
BUT WITH THE COVID STUFF GOING ON, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT PEOPLE COMING UP TO THEIR HOUSE TALKING TO THEM.
BUT I SENT OFF ALL MY INFORMATION, EMAIL, PHONE NUMBER, TIMES TO CALL, ALL THAT IN IT.
>> OKAY. MR. STEVENSON SENT IT TO A MUCH WIDER RANGE OF PEOPLE THAN STATE LAW REQUIRES.
STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT WE ONLY NOTIFY THE ABIDING PROPERTY OWNERS, AND THAT'S THE MAILING LIST THAT YOU HAVE.
BUT FOR HIM TO GET ALL THESE SIGNATURES, HE'S SENT IT TO A MUCH LARGER GROUP.
>> WELL, I NOTICED ON THIS MAP ALL THE LITTLE DOTS.
I WASN'T SURE IF THOSE WERE VACANT PROPERTIES OR-
>> THAT'S IT. THAT'S AN E911 ADDRESS POINT.
>> WHEN THAT DOES, GUY PLACE ROAD AS YOU GO.
I WENT DOWN THERE TODAY, IT WAS IN MY NOTES HERE,1.1 MILES OR SOMETHING.
BUT DOES IT CHANGE? DOES THE COUNTY LINE GO ACROSS THAT ROAD? BECAUSE IT GOES FROM OUR IVO TO THE WAKEFIELD, DOESN'T IT?
>> IS THAT RIGHT? WHEN I DROVE, I CAME OFF ON IVO ROAD AND I WENT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO WHEN IT TEED OFF AND IT WAS A LITTLE OVER A MILE.
I COUNTED, I THINK IT WAS 23 SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GETTING THE NINE FROM? I WENT ALL THE WAY TO THE END, THE GRANITE.
AS YOU GET IN THE FARMING OPERATION IN THE CURVE,
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THEN AFTER THAT IT WAS JUST ONE MAILBOX AFTER ANOTHER.THAT'S WHAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION.
>> THIS F RIGHT HERE, THAT HE SHOWS THOSE DOTS THERE ARE THE NINE HOUSES THAT ARE ON GUY PLACE ROAD IN THAT AREA.
THEN IF YOU LOOK ON GIS, YOU WILL SEE TO THE SOUTHWEST SIDE OF GUY PLACE ROAD, THERE IS A SUBDIVISION OF PLANTED LOTS THAT HAVE NO HOUSES ON IT, BUT THERE ARE NINE HOUSES BACK THERE.
NINE LOTS, NINE BUILDABLE PLOTTED LOTS BACK THERE.
>> OKAY. BUT THE COUNTY LINE DOESN'T GO ACROSS GUY PLACE ROAD ANYWAY?
>> YOU CAN GET ALL THE WAY TO THE STOP SIGN AT THE END OF THAT ROAD.
BECAUSE THE GUY PLACE TEES OFF BETWEEN IVO AND WAKEFIELD, IS THAT RIGHT?
>> OKAY, AND THAT'S ALL WITHIN THE COUNTY?
>> WHEN I WENT DOWN TODAY I JUST MAILBOXES AND MAYBE I MISCOUNTED, BUT I CAME UP WITH 23.
>> THERE ARE SOME PROPERTIES THAT HAVE A MAILBOX OUT OF THE ROAD THAT HOUSES- [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT YOU CAN'T SEE FROM THE ROAD.
>> YOU MENTIONED THAT AND WHERE THE SIGN IS, THAT'S THE FIELD THAT'S LEFT IDLE FOR YOUR EYES ARE RIGHT BESIDE HIM AND PEANUTS ON THE OTHER SIDE, CORRECT? IT LOOKED LIKE THE BACKSIDE A LITTLE FURTHER WHERE THE PEANUTS ARE IT LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS AN AREA THAT WAS BEING CLEANED OUT BACK THERE.
DOES THAT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE SHOOTING RANGE? [OVERLAPPING] IT JUST LOOKED LIKE THE TIMBER WAS CUT WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY DRIVE A PICKUP TRUCK IN THERE.
BUT YOUR SIDE IS RIGHT THERE BESIDE THE ROAD.
>> THAT IS [INAUDIBLE] I BELIEVE YOU SAID [OVERLAPPING]
MY TRUCK WON'T FIT BUT IN MY FOUR WHEELS AND ALL THAT, WILL FIT THROUGH THERE.
>> YOU MENTIONED THAT THIS SIDE HERE IS BORDERED BY TIMBER ON THREE SIDES?
>> BUT YOU MUST BE CUTTING THE TIMBER ACROSS THE ROAD.
BECAUSE PEANUT FIELD ON ONE SIDE, YOUR HOUSE IS ON THE OTHER SIDE AND I SAW TIMBER AT THE BACKSIDE IN THE HIGHWAY.
I'M NOT GETTING THREE SIDES OUT OF THAT.
>> THE RANGE ITSELF IS WITHIN THAT TIMBER.
>> YOU'VE GOT THREE SIDES FROM THE RANGE ITSELF.
>> OKAY. THAT OPENING NEXT TO THE HIGHWAY, IS THAT MAINLY FOR PARKING?
>> OKAY. HOW FAR OFF THE ROAD IS YOUR RANGE GOING TO BE? I LIKE YOUR PICTURES BUT I DON'T SEE A SITE PLAN.
I DON'T SEE WHERE YOUR RANGE IS GOING TO BE, 200 FEET OFF THE HIGHWAY.
WHEN I RODE OUT THERE MY CONCERN WAS SOMEBODY STANDING CLOSE TO THE HIGHWAY.
WHEN YOU CONCENTRATE A LOT OF GOODS IN ONE SPOT.
I'VE BEEN AROUND THEM ENOUGH THAT ACCIDENTS DO HAPPEN.
YOU GET SOMEBODY THAT TURNS AROUND.
IT'S JUST WE'RE ALL HUMAN SO WE DO STUFF THAT AFTERWARDS, JUST LIKE [NOISE] THAT WAS DONE.
THAT'S WHAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION.
EVERYTHING WAS RIGHT NEXT TO THE HIGHWAY.
>> WHEN I GOT THE POWER COMPANY OUT THERE.
WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE ENGINEERING STUFF, IT WAS 196 FEET FROM THE DITCH TO WHERE THE EDGE OF THE WOODS STARTED ON THE LEFT SIDE.
IT IS 176 FEET ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
>> OKAY. THE LEFT SIDE IS WHERE YOUR ELECTRICAL BOX IS; IS THAT RIGHT?
>> THIS PICTURE RIGHT HERE, IT'S A LAYOVER WITH MR. MANN.
I WOULD ASSUME THAT THE RANGE IS WITHIN THE BACK OF THE FIELD, PAST YOUR HOUSE.
IT LOOKS LIKE TWO BOXES SO I WOULD ASSUME THE SMALL BOX IS A DEMONSTRATION OF THE RANGE, AND THEN THE BIG BOX IS THE PARKING.
>> THE BUMP-OUT PART IS WHERE THE RANGE IS.
>> WHERE WE CAN FIND EVERYTHING IS SMALLER. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THEN THAT'S WITHIN THE TIMBER.
>> THE RANGE ITSELF IS ACTUALLY SURROUNDED BY WOODS.
>> I'M NOTICING YOU SAID I WOULD ASSUME, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING NOT TO DO TONIGHT, IS ASSUME ANYTHING.
BUT I REMEMBER WE DID A SHOOTING RANGE FOR THE, I'M THINKING IT WAS THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT YEARS AGO AND IT WAS VERY EXTENSIVE ON THE BERM THAT THEY HAD IN THERE, AND I THINK THEY HAD A BERM ON THREE SIDES. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THEY WERE SHOOTING SMALLER LEAD BULLETS, THEY WEREN'T SHOOTING BIRD SHOTS.
>> OKAY. I REMEMBER IT WAS A BIG [OVERLAPPING].
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>> THAT PLACE IS STILL FUNCTIONAL?
>> OKAY. I JUST KNOW THAT WAS MY FIRST EXPOSURE TO ALL THE REGULATIONS THAT WENT INTO SHOOTING. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S WHY WE MENTIONED 22 A WHILE AGO.
>> IS IT NECESSARY TO HAVE, IN SOME WAY, FENCE THROUGH THAT WOODED AREA TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM HAVING ACCESS TO THE BACK OF THE SHOOTING RANGE OR COME IN FROM THE SIDES?
>> THE PLAN WAS THE SIX-FOOT FENCE, PART OF IT.
I WAS GOING TO JUST GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.
I DECIDED THAT AFTER I SAID THIS AND PUT THE SIX-FOOT FENCE ALL THE WAY DOWN BOTH SIDES, OF THE SHOOTING RANGE TO PREVENT ANYONE FROM COMING IN FROM THE SIDES OR ANYTHING.
A SHOOTING BERM ITSELF IS ROUGHLY 8-10 FEET TALL ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE SHOOTING BERM.
THE LIKELIHOOD OF ANYONE COMING ACROSS THAT I DON'T THINK WOULD BE VERY HIGH.
>> AS A SAFETY PRECAUTION, WOULD IT BE GOOD TO PUT SOME FENCE BEHIND THE BERM? JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE DO NUISANCE THINGS AND SAFETY IS AN ISSUE.
>> THEY DIDN'T SAY DO THE TOP PRIORITY.
>> RIGHT. YOU WOULDN'T WANT SOMEONE TO JUST CRAWL ACROSS THE BERM.
PEOPLE FIGURE OUT WAYS OF DOING UNUSUAL THINGS.
I'M JUST THINKING, IF YOU'RE FENCING ON TWO SIDES, IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO DO SOMETHING BEHIND THAT BERM TOO THAT'S A DETERRENT.
>> I'M FAMILIAR WITH THIS GROWING UP IN THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY.
THIS LOOKS LIKE A VERY SAFE SITUATION YOU'VE GOT.
I THINK YOU'VE TAKEN ALL THE SAFETY PRECAUTIONS.
I DON'T HAVE ANY QUALMS ABOUT THE SAFETY PROCESS.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR MR. STEVENSON? OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR.
>> ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, THE ADDITIONAL USE PERMIT, 2022 O2 APPLICATION BY ADVANCED J. STEVENSON? OKAY, WE'LL CLOSE THAT APPLICATION.
[NOISE] ANY COMMENTS BY THE BOARD?
>> WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD FENCING, THE FENCING ALONG THE SIDES AS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS?
>> WITHOUT THE 22S. [OVERLAPPING]
SIX-FOOT FENCING ON EACH SIDE OF THE RANGE, AND ELIMINATION OF THE 22.
IT WOULD BE FOUR 10S, 20 GAUGE, AND 12 GAUGES. [NOISE].
>> IF YOU'RE GOING TO ELIMINATE 22S, WHY DON'T YOU ELIMINATE ALL RIFLES?
>> [OVERLAPPING] BECAUSE 22 IS THE SMALLEST RIFLE.
>> THAT'S WHEN THEY START GETTING REALLY LOUD.
>> YEAH. I'M ASKING IS THERE NO PISTOLS IN THIS?
>> NO PISTOLS THAT WAS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.
>> DO YOU WANT THE SOIL TESTING SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY OR DO YOU JUST WANT MR. STEVENSON TO WORK WITH THE AGRICULTURE DEPARTMENT?
>> ISN'T IT POSSIBLE THAT IF THERE'S A COMPLAINT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT CAN COME IN AND DO SOME TESTING?
>> I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD, BUT SOMEONE[OVERLAPPING] MAYBE DEQ.
>> AT THAT POINT [OVERLAPPING] IT'S TOO LATE.
>> YEAH. THAT'S WHY HE'S DOING THE TESTING BECAUSE IF THEY COME IN AND FIND A PROBLEM THEN HE GETS FINED SIGNIFICANTLY.
>> BUT THE TESTING ISN'T REPRESENTED TO BE INDEPENDENT.
AT THIS POINT IN TIME ALL THERE'S CONDITION IS THAT HE IS GOING TO BE DOING THE TESTING.
>> I JUST DON'T WANT TO OVERGOVERN AN APPLICATION.
>> I KNOW. [OVERLAPPING] PH IS SOMETHING THAT [OVERLAPPING] SHOULD BE A CONCERN.
>> IF IT GETS TO BE A PROBLEM LEVEL WHEN PEOPLE ARE COMING AND THERE'S A COMPLAINT THEY CAN COME IN AND TEST IT AT ANY POINT SHUT IT DOWN.
>> WE GET NOTIFIED BY DEQ ABOUT ALL ENVIRONMENTAL COMPLAINTS THAT THEY COME OUT AND INVESTIGATE AND TELL US THEIR RESULTS SO IT'S NOT UNUSUAL.
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>> [OVERLAPPING] COMPLAINT ABOUT THE PH, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
>> PEOPLE MAKE COMPLAINTS ABOUT THINGS THAT MAYBE THEY DON'T KNOW OF, THEY JUST HAVE A CONCERN OF.
SOMEONE MAY HAVE A CONCERN THAT THEY SAW THE PISTOL RANGE GOING ON AND THEY FIGURE IT MUST BE DOING SOMETHING BAD TO THE ENVIRONMENT, SO THEY CONTACT DEQ.
>> IT'S A NEW POINT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE CHEMISTRY, LEAD BREAKS DOWN AND ASKED TO MEET HIM.
YOU HAVE TO GET PH DOWN ABOUT 7.2.
THAT'S WHY WHEN YOU GET SHOT WITH A BULLET, YOU DON'T GET LEAD POISONING [LAUGHTER] BECAUSE YOUR BODY IS 7.4.
I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
>> ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? DO WE HAVE ANY MOTIONS?
>> IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET A SITE PLAN AT LEAST SHOWING, WE GOT IT BLOCKED OFF BUT THERE'S NOTHING SAYING THAT THE RANGE IS IN THE BACK AND THE PARK IS IN THE FRONT?
>> IT'S ON HERE. IT'S ON THE DRAWING HERE.
>> THE LITTLE BOX IS THE RANGE.
>> I SEE THE RANGE LIGHTING, HERE.
>> THIS GOT A GRAY AREA FOR THE PARKING AND THEN THE RANGE IS IN THE BACK.
>> BUT THERE'S NO DIMENSIONS [OVERLAPPING].
I KNOW THE WHOLE SIDE IS A ACRE AND A HALF.
IT'S JUST NOT SITE PLAN WITH IT.
>> THAT'S RIGHT. THERE'S NO NUMBER.
I DO A HIGH SLOT AND DO IT ON TWO ACRES AND AT SOME POINT I GET SETBACKS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
IT'S JUST ENLIGHTENMENT IS ALL SINCE DID THE FENCE AROUND THE BACK.
YOU DON'T HAVE KIDS. I THOUGHT PROBABLY SOMEBODY IS NOT GOING TO DO IT INTENTIONAL.
KIDS ARE GOING TO GET AWAY FROM THEIR PARENTS AND GO INTO WOODS AND NEXT THING YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO BE FIRING AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMING UP OVER THE BACK OF THE BERM.
I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT IT WOULD JUST BE NICE TO HAVE.
>> A SIX FOOT FENCE, NOT ONLY ON THE SIDES BUT IN THE BACK?
>> BEHIND THE BERM, BECAUSE WE PUT IT ON TOP OF THE BERM.
IT ALLOWS THEM TO STILL CLIMB UP THAT BERM, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS GOING TO BE KIDS THERE BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IMPORTANT FAMILIES AND SOME TIME WITH PARENTS AND KIDS. I LIKED THE IDEA.
>> DO YOU WANT A CONDITION SAYING THAT THE BEGINNING OF THE RANGE WHERE THE PEOPLE STAND, HOWEVER YOU SAY THAT HAS TO BE AT LEAST A 100 FEET FROM GUY PLACE OR 120 FEET FROM BACK GUY PLACE.
>> I DON'T WANT TO DICTATE WHAT HIS PLANS ARE.
I'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE [OVERLAPPING]
>> DO YOU WANT THEM TO COME BACK NEXT MONTH?
>> I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THE RANGE STARTS.
LITERALLY HOW FAR AWAY FROM ROADS IT'S GOING TO BE.
>> UNTIL IS TONIGHT? THEY'D TELL US TONIGHT THOUGH, THAT WILL BE OKAY WITH ME.
>> IF THE POWER COMPANY SAYS IT'S 196 FEET ON ONE SIDE AND 176 FEET ON THE OTHER SIDE DID YOU SAY?
>> YEAH, THAT IS HOW MANY LAID IT OUT AS 196 FEET ON THEIR SIDE, THE OTHER SIDE IS THE MEASUREMENT THAT I TOOK MYSELF.
>> IS THAT ALL WAY TO THE BACK OR THE SHOOTING RANGE OR IS THAT RIGHT AT THE EDGE OF THE WOODS.
>> RIGHT AT THE EDGE OF THE WOODS, RIGHT THERE.
THEN THE SHOOTING RANGE IS 25 YARDS FROM THE SHOOTING POSITION TO THE TARGET HOLDERS [OVERLAPPING].
THAT'S THE WHOLE TOTAL LENGTH OF THE SHOOTING RANGE AND THE WIDTH OF THE SHOOTING RANGE IS WITH THE AREA CLEARED ABOUT 220 FEET WIDE.
>> THE SHOOTING AREA ITSELF IS 120 FEET WIDE, WHICH WOULD BE A LINE THAT'S PARALLEL TO GUY PLACE?
>> BUT THE ENTIRE SHOOTING RANGE IS A 100 FOOT DEEP.
YOU COULD GET TO TAKE ACCOUNT FOR THE SHOOTING BERM.
>> IT'S A 100 FEET DEEP AND 120 FEET WIDE, AND THE PARKING IS BETWEEN THAT AND GUY PLACE ROAD.
>> YOU'RE GOING TO START THE SHOOTING RANGE A 195 FEET FROM THE ROAD,
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HOW FAR OFF TOWN ARE YOU GOING TO ACTUALLY START YOUR 100 FOOT DEPTH?>> IT WILL BE ACTUALLY ABOUT 200 FEET FROM THE FURTHEST POINT.
THAT WILL BE A 200 FEET BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE RECESSED SLIGHTLY INTO THE WOODS, SO THE GUNS ARE ACTUALLY INSIDE OF THAT AREA TO PREVENT NOISE FROM GOING OUT AS VOLATILE.
>> YOU'RE LOOKING AT 200 FEET FROM THE CLOSEST POINT OR THE FURTHEST POINT.
I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT THE CLOSEST POINT TO THE HIGHWAY.
THERE IS GOING TO BE A STRAIGHT LINE IN LINE WITH GUY PLACE ALL WAY ACROSS.
>> THAT'S FRONT OF THE PROPERTY LINE ON THE HIGHWAY.
>> MS. LEWIS, WHAT ARE THE CHANGING PROPER [INAUDIBLE].
>> SIX FOOT FENCING ALL THE WAY AROUND INCLUDING BEHIND THE BERM.
ELIMINATION OF 22S AND ALL RIFLES.
>> THE PISTOL IS ELIMINATED BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO CHANGE THAT.
>> THAT WAS ALREADY IN HIS MATERIAL.
>> I MAKE A MOTION TO REACT POSITIVELY ON HIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
>> HERE WE HAVE A PROPER MOTION IN A SECOND.
>> WE PUT IN THOSE MEASUREMENTS IN THERE?
>> YES. IT'S THE SIX-FOOT FENCE AROUND ALL THE SIDES. NO RIFLES.
THE DIMENSIONS ARE A 120 FOOT WIDE AND 100 FOOT DEEP AND 200 FEET AWAY FROM THE ROAD.
THAT'S WHAT[OVERLAPPING]. I WAS JUST DRAWING AS YOU TALKED.
CAN I ASK [INAUDIBLE] A QUESTION PLEASE?
>>THIS DISCUSSION MAKE A GOOD POINT.
I'M CURIOUS HOW MANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN THERE TO VIEW THE PROPERTY? CAN I BE GIVEN THAT NUMBER PLEASE?
>> ALL RIGHT. MY POINT WAS, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT PLAN, CHECKING THOROUGH AND ESSAY.
WHAT IT'S TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IS THE OUTLET AS A PROPERTY ON SUNDAY AFTERNOON AND I THINK MY ONLY WAY TO CONFIRM WAS THE LIMITED TO THE CLOSENESS OF GUY PLACE ROAD.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEEN AWAY IT COULD MOVE MAYBE A LITTLE MORE DEPTH TO GET AWAY FROM THE ROAD.
MY CONCERN IS ALLOWING LOCALITIES ESPECIALLY DURING THE HOLIDAYS, BUT IT'S GOOD ENOUGH.
BUT THOSE ANNUAL TURKISH SHOOTS, FOR FUNDRAISERS, IN SOME OF MY ELDER FILES, [NOISE] PATIENTS AND COMMUNITY BUILDING AND SO-CALLED FOOTBALL.
BUT A SIREN IS JUST BEING OPEN YEAR ROUND.
IT'S GOING TO BE A NUISANCE FOR FARM.
OF COURSE IT CAN BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC AND I THINK IT'D BE VERY WELL ATTENDED.
BUT I HAD A PROBLEM WITH ANOTHER SUM ALONE ADVOCATE NOT AND I STARTED PLAYING HIGH SCHOOL AND ONE OF MY MAGIC OR THURSDAY I WAS SHOOTING AREA BEING SO CLOSE TO THE HIGHWAY.
IT JUST POUR THE END THAT I HAVE BEEN AT A VIEW TO PROFIT AND I HAVE HEARD ALL THE TESTIMONY IS MINE.
NOT A FIGHT WITH A RECOMMENDATION JUST BEING THAT I THINK IT'S THE SO-CALLED HIGHWAY.
IF PEOPLE ARE NOT ENGAGED IN THE PRACTICE ITSELF.
MAYBE SOME ACCOMMODATION THAT IN THE PAST AND THROUGH THE PHONE MADE THAT COMMENT. THANK YOU.
>>WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, WITH A SIX-FOOT FENCE ON ALL SIDES, NO RIFLES, 120 FOOT WIDE BY 100 FOOT DEEP.
IT'S 200 FEET, A MINIMUM OF 200 FEET AWAY FROM THE ROAD.
AT THE START OF THE FACILITY [OVERLAPPING] THOSE WERE THE ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS TO THE APPLICATIONS [OVERLAPPING] AND WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION.
>> WE HAVE AYES. CAN YOU RAISE YOUR HAND FOR ME? FOR THE AYES ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE.
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NO. OKAY. WE HAVE SIX IN FAVOR.ALL OPPOSED? [BACKGROUND] OKAY.
YOU WILL BE NOW BE FORWARDED, TO THE APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THAT WILL BE NO SOONER THAN THE AUGUST BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING, BUT THIS IS WILL GO OUT IN THE MAIL AGAIN.
>> WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR SECOND PUBLIC HEARING, RCA 2022-02, APPLICATION BY JORDAN INVESTMENTS, LLC OWNED BY MATTHEW CROWDER I TURN IT OVER NOW TO MS. LEWIS.
>> [INAUDIBLE] THE RECORD REFLECT, THAT IS MUCH IS MY LAW FIRM REPRESENTS THE APP.
>> THANK YOU, MS. [INAUDIBLE] I DON´T MIND IF YOU REMAIN.
JUST WILL NOT TAKE PART IN THIS PROCEEDING.
>> I WILL NOT TAKE PART IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.
>> AND LOOKING AT SIGNALS BACK. THERE YOU GO.
>> THANK YOU, MR. RELY, FOR BRINGING THAT TO OUR ATTENTION.
>> YES. THIS IS AN APPLICATION BY JORDAN INVESTMENTS, LLC OWNER MATTHEW CROWDER REPRESENTATIVE OF A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FOR 11.99-ACRE PORTION OF TAX PARCEL 92-9, WHICH TOTALED 76.07 ACRES.
THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THE ZONING DESIGNATION FROM A1 AGRICULTURAL TO CM2, CONDITIONAL GENERAL INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT TO PERMIT THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 350,000-BUSHEL GRAINS STORAGE AND DRYING FACILITY.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF GENERAL THOMAS HIGHWAY, WHICH IS ROUTE 671, APPROXIMATELY 1500 FEET EAST OF ITS INTERSECTION WITH DELAWARE ROAD, WHICH IS ROUTES 687, AND IT'S IN THE FRANKLIN BUILDING IN MAGISTERIAL DISTRICTS.
THIS PROPERTY IS NOTED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS INDUSTRIAL.
THIS IS RIGHT NEXT TO JUST EAST OF DOMINION POWERS BIOMASS PLANT.
IT IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM OTHER INDUSTRIAL USES, AND THIS IS ZONING MAP AMENDMENT.
>> THIS CHANGE WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE POINT.
>> IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN, IT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE PLAN IS LOOKING FOR.
AGAIN, SIGN WENT UP ON THIS PROPERTY TYPICAL GREEN AND WHITE SIGN WENT UP ON THIS PROPERTY ON JUNE 22ND, I'VE RECEIVED NO TELEPHONE CALLS OR COMMENTS FROM ANYONE ABOUT THIS REQUEST.
WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON NUMBER 2RC82022-02.
MR. RELY, HOW ARE YOU DOING TODAY?
>> VERY WELL. GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. I'M MR. RELY. I´M HERE ON BEHALF OF JORDAN INVESTMENTS, LLC, WHICH IS OWNED BY MATTHEW CROWDER FULL DISCLOSURE HERE.
JORDAN INVESTMENTS, LLC OWNS THE PROPERTY.
THEY HAD ENTERED INTO A SALES PURCHASE CONTRACT WHICH IS CONTINGENT UPON A REZONING WITH MY HAIR, AGRICULTURAL, AND CHEMICAL COMPANY FROM SEVEN FOR THE PURCHASE OF 11.99 ACRES OF THEIR CURRENT TRACK, WHICH IS 76.07 ACRES.
MS. LEWIS AND HER STAFF ARE HARD, HAD TO FOLLOW UP WITH THEIR STAFF REPORT.
AS SHE SAID, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPANY.
THE REASON IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE I UNDERSTAND SINCE AT LEAST 1988, IT'S YOUR PACKET.
ADJOINING LANDOWNERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAW NOTICES, THERE'S THIS NEW ZONING.
MS. LEWIS' OFFICE HAS NOT HEARD ANY NEGATIVE COMMENTS NEITHER HAVE I HEARD IN MY OFFICE.
THE APPLICANT IF YOU LOOK AT THAT LIST AND MR. TRAVIS COMPANY, THOSE FEES, O & J LAND HOLDINGS, WHICH IS WHERE THE ILEUM LIGHTING FACILITY IS ROBERT AND KELLY COOK, WHICH IS FRANKLIN DISPOSAL AND RECYCLING.
BIRDSONG CORPORATION HAS A WAREHOUSE THERE WHICH IS MR. [INAUDIBLE] OWNS.
THE UNDERLYING REAL PROPERTY AND PRIOR TO THEIR CONSTRUCTION, CAROLYN EDWARDS PIECE I BELIEVE AND DEVELOPED SIP SAP AS A WASTE MANAGEMENT FACILITY THERE.
I'LL LEAVE THE ATLAS PIECE IS ALSO UNDEVELOPED.
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DOMINION, AS THEY ARE FRANKLIN PLANT THEIR JOB, WHITE OWNS A PARCEL WHICH IS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THEIR SHOP AND O & J.I'M NOT SURE WHAT GENTEN LLC IS AN RDA OF INDUSTRIAL PARKS PIECE THERE.
>> GENTEN LLC IS THAT RECYCLING FACILITY.
>> THIS IS NOT IN A COUNTRY´S USE ANYWAY, THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S THERE ANYWAY.
THE FACILITY THAT MY HAIR WILL CONSTRUCT THIS, THE STORAGE AND DRYING OF RINGS AND AGRICULTURAL COMMODITIES ETC.
SIMILAR TO WHAT MANY FARMERS OWN THEMSELVES JUST FOR A LITTLE BIT LARGER SCALE.
IF YOU LOOK IN THE STAFF REPORT, THEY'VE OFTEN.
JORDAN HAS ALREADY PROPER SEVERAL USES THAT THEY WILL NOT ELIMINATE FROM THEIR REQUESTS THEY ARE AT A COUPLE OF A FEW QUESTIONS.
ONE WAS THE APPLICANT SHALL PROVIDE THE EXTRACTED TRIP GENERATION OF THE SITE HERE AND HAS ESTIMATED THAT DROPS.
THIS IS 500 PER YEAR, 500 TRIPS IN AND OUT.
ALSO, V DOT HAS SOME QUESTIONS OR REQUIREMENTS WITH RESPECT TO THE COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE TO THE SITE DISTANCES ETC.
OUR REQUEST WOULD BE THAT THIS BOARD RECOMMEND REZONING CONDITION TO A POND, COMPLIANCE WITH ALL V DOT REQUIREMENTS.
THEREFORE, I'M HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I WOULD ASK THAT YOU RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF CONSISTENT WITH THE APPLICATION AND ALSO CONDITIONED UPON THE APPLICANT SATISFYING [INAUDIBLE].
>>MR. RELY, ALL STRENGTHS LISTED, NO WEAKNESSES. RIGHT?
>>THAT'S CORRECT AND MAY BE IRRELEVANT TO THIS APPLICATION BUT TO BOLSTERING, THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS FAMILIAR WITH THE APPLICANT, HAD SEVERAL APPLICATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN GRANTED IN THE PAST AND THEY'VE DONE EVERYTHING THEY HAVE SAID THEY WOULD DO WITHOUT ISSUE EVER THAT I'M AWARE OF.
>>THANK YOU MR. RELY, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS TO MR. RELY?
>> BEFORE MR. RELY SITS DOWN, I'M ABSTAINING FROM VOTING ON THIS AS WELL.
>> THERE IS AN INDIRECT, VERY INDIRECT CONNECTIONS.
>> VERY INDIRECT. I DON'T WANT IT TO BE ANY MISLEADING THING AND BEING THE FACT WE'VE GOT MR. DRAKE AND A FRUIT BOWL, YOU DON'T NEED ME TO VOICE AN OPINION.
>> WHAT DID YOU DO ON BOARD WITH THAT AS WELL AS THE BOLT?
>> FURTHER SAY IN FULL DISCLOSURE CASE [INAUDIBLE] ANYONE ELSE HAS ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST.
OUR LAW FIRM REPRESENTS MR. [INAUDIBLE] AND HIS ENTITIES AND HIS WIFE PERSONALLY IN MANY CAPACITIES AND WE'RE REPRESENTING THE HARRISON ACT WITH RESPECT TO THIS AS WELL.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I JUST WANTED TO ANSWER.
>> THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS TO MR. RELY?
>> THE V DOT COMMENTS WOULD BE ADDRESSED AT THE SITE PLAN STAY.
>> DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AS IT RELATES TO RCA APPLICATION BY JORDAN INVESTMENTS LLC OWNER, BY MR. MATTHEW CROWDER.
ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY. NO FURTHER COMMENTS.
I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD ON ITEM NUMBER TWO ON PUBLIC HEARINGS.
ANY COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD OR ANY MOTIONS FROM THE BOARD? MOTION APPROVED? WE HAVE A MOST PROPER MOTION AND A PROPER SECOND.
>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED? NONE OPPOSED? ALL AYES, SIX AND FACE.
>> I DID ALSO SIX IN FAVOR NONE OPPOSED.
>> [INAUDIBLE] NOTE ONE ABSTAIN.
>> ONE ABSTAIN FOR POSSIBLE DO NOT PARTICIPATE, OTHER THAN DISCLOSING A POSSIBLE CONFLICT OF INTERESTS, MR. MANN.
>> WAS SEVEN IN FAVOR AND ONE ABSTAIN?
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ALL RIGHT. LAST PUBLIC HEARING NUMBER 3, RZA202203, APPLICATION BY 18036, LLC OWNER TOM FRETS.
I WANT TO OPEN [NOISE] THIS AND TURN IT OVER TO MS. LEWIS, PLEASE.
>> THIS IS AN APPLICATION BY 18036, LLC, OWNER BY MR. FRETS, WHO WAS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THAT LLC.
FOR ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FOR A 0.172 ACRE PARCEL LOCATED AT 180336 JOHNSON SMALL ROAD IN SEATTLE, FROM R1 RESIDENTIAL TO CB2, CONDITIONAL GENERAL COMMERCIAL, TO FACILITATE THE RENOVATION OF AN EXISTING BUILDING TO RETURN IT TO ITS FORMER USES IN AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR FACILITY.
IT IS KNOWN AS THE SEGWAY STORE.
THE PROPERTY IS KNOWN AS TAX PARCEL 4782-1-26, AND IS LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF JOHNSON SMALL ROAD, WHICH IS STATE ROAD 641, APPROXIMATELY 75 FEET SOUTH OF ITS INTERSECTION WITH PEACHTREE AVENUE, WHICH IS STATE ROAD 1006.
IT'S IN THE JERUSALEM VOTING AND MAGISTERIAL DISTRICTS, HAS A PLAN DESIGNATION OF COMMERCIAL.
SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO OWNS PROPERTIES ON BOTH SIDES, KENNY MCCLELLAN APPLIED FOR ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FOR THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH.
HE OWNS WHAT WAS, OR MAYBE STILL IS THE CABINET TREE SHOP ACROSS THE STREET, AND HE OWNED THE TWO OTHER SIDES.
WHEN HE APPLIED FOR THAT, I SAID, DON'T YOU WANT TO INCLUDE THE SEGWAY STORE IN THE MIDDLE? HE SAID THAT PROPERTY OWNER WASN'T INTERESTED AT THE TIME, SO THIS HAS OLD LEFTOVER SINGLE-FAMILY ZONING.
>> WE CAN OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
[NOISE] I BELIEVE WE HAVE MR. FRETS, HOW ARE YOU DOING TODAY, SIR?
>> I'M DOING FINE. HOW ARE YOU DOING?
>> I'M DOING WELL. WHAT CAN YOU TELL US? IF YOU COULD JUST SAY YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR OUR MINUTES, PLEASE?
>> TOM FRETS, 14387, CABINET POINT ROAD, PORTLAND.
>> WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THE APPLICATION?
>> ONLY THAT MY SON, CODY, UP THERE IS AN AUTO MECHANIC AND HE AND HIS WIFE COURTNEY, THAT RECENTLY PURCHASED THE HOUSE ACROSS THE RICH STREET ROAD RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF JOHNSON SMALL, EAST STREET.
THEY WERE RENOVATING THAT, AND AFTER THEY PURCHASED THAT, I NOTICED THE STORE OVER THERE, AND CODY HAS BEEN DOING A LOT OF MECHANICAL WORK AT MY HOUSE JUST ON VEHICLES THAT HE OWNS.
THIS WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO PURCHASE A BUILDING, RENOVATE IT, PUT IT BACK INTO USE, AND GET CODY GOOD PLACE TO BE, WHAT FAMILY ENJOYS DOING.
I'M NOT SURE WHY, BUT HE LOVES [INAUDIBLE]
>> [OVERLAPPING] I GET BY THAT QUITE OFTEN AS I LIVE RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD.
[NOISE] HADN'T BEEN A WHOLE LOT GOING ON IN DOWNTOWN.
SADLY, AT ONE POINT, THERE WAS A STORE THERE AND A LOT OF ACTIVITY, BUT NOW NOT SO MUCH.
>> THE COUNTY HAS SENT THE PREVIOUS PROPERTY OWNERS.
I KNOW THIS IS A VIOLATION FOR SEVERAL YEARS TO SHOW UP THE BUILDING BECAUSE IT'S AN UNSAFE BUILDING.
PART OF THE ROOF ESCAPED AND HAS GOT THE BIG PLATE GLASS WINDOW IN THE FRONT.
MR. FRETS HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS TO TRY AND BUY THIS PROPERTY.
SINCE WE KNOW HE'S BEEN WORKING ON TRYING TO PURCHASE IT, WE STOOD IN ABEYANCE UNTIL THAT PROCESS COULD END, SO HE COULD FIX THAT, AND THAT HE USED TO BE AN AUTO REPAIR FACILITY.
>> I BELIEVE ORIGINALLY IT WAS A SERVICE STATION.
>> [OVERLAPPING] IT WAS A SERVICE STATION.
>> A SMALL TOWN I THEIR STATION.
>> THE UNDERNEATH PART WHERE PEOPLE CHANGED THE OIL, THAT'S STILL THERE.
>> WHEN IT WAS A STORE, IT WAS COVERED UP WITH A WOODEN BOX THAT THEY SAW, PUT THE POTATO CHIPS ON IT.
THE BUILDING HAS BEEN IN USE FOR AN AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR FACILITY SINCE IT WAS BUILT.
>> UNTIL IT TURNED INTO A CONVENIENCE STORE.
>> UNTIL IT TURNED INTO A STORE.
>> I'M GUESSING IT WAS 30 YEARS AGO OR SO, AND THAT STORE CLOSED FROM 15 YEARS AGO.
>> I'M GETTING OLD. PROBABLY 10?
>> IT WAS PROBABLY 10 YEARS AGO I STARTED WORKING WITH THE COUNTY.
>> [OVERLAPPING] 13 YEARS AGO WHEN IT WAS OPEN.
>> BECAUSE I REMEMBER HIM SITTING ON THAT PICNIC TABLE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] YES. PROBABLY 10.
>> THE FUEL STORAGE TANK HAS BEEN REMOVED OR IT'S BEEN FOUND IN.
>> IT WAS SENT TO THE APPROVAL OF THE DDQ.
>> YEAH, SO IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY FUEL STORAGE.
>> THEY SAID THAT IT USED TO HAVE SEVERAL MECHANICS, INCLUDING THE LEGENDARY OR FONTS AND NOTIONS.
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>> NOTE THAT FOR MR. BARTON WAS STILL OVER THERE AND THAT HE IS A MECHANIC.
>> HE WAS THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE FIRE STATION.
>> [OVERLAPPING] ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I HAVE IN HANDLE ON [INAUDIBLE] PATENT FOR HIM, [LAUGHTER] [INAUDIBLE] INVENTED SOMETHING BUT MORE A LOT OF CUSTOMERS.
>> THIS WOULD DEFINITELY MAKE THE AREA LOOK [OVERLAPPING]
>> MR. PHILLIPS, WHAT ARE THE RANGE OF SERVICES THERE?
>> CODY WOULD REALLY LIKE TO BUILD MOTORS.
HE'S MORE INTERESTED IN BUILDING MOTORS AND SELLING THEM ONLINE, AND HE'S ALREADY DONE SOME OF THAT FROM MY HOUSE.
PEOPLE PURCHASE A MOTOR BLOCK, RENOVATE IT AND SELL IT.
BUT ALSO DOES HANDS AND SWAPS AND [INAUDIBLE] IS LIMITED FOR BASICALLY MOTOR [INAUDIBLE].
>> MOST OF THE ENGINES SHOPS THAT I'VE SEEN ARE DRESSED UP IN THE FRONT, RIGHT?
>> THAT'S THE PLAN, YES, TO MAKE IT LOOK PRETTY.
>> [OVERLAPPING] BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO GET YOUR MOTOR FROM A RUNDOWN LOOK IN PLACE.
>> THAT'S RIGHT. WE WERE ALLOWED PERMIT TO MAKE THE BUILDING SAFE.
WE TOOK OFF THE ROOF THAT CAVED INTO THE BUILDING, AND WE MOVE THE PLATE GLASS THAT WAS DAMAGED, AND WE'RE WAITING NOW FOR A CONSTRUCTION PERMIT, THAT WAS REQUIRED BEFORE WE CAN GET THE CONSTRUCTION PERMIT.
>> THE SIGN WENT UP IN FRONT OF THIS PROPERTY ON JUNE 23RD, AND AGAIN, NO NOTICE, NO PHONE CALLS, OR CONTACTS, OR ANYTHING.
THEN THIS ZONING DESIGNATION, IT SAYS THAT, IF THERE ARE ANY DAMAGE VEHICLES ON THE SITE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE IN A COMPLETELY ENCLOSED BUILDING.
SINCE THIS BUILDING ISN'T BIG ENOUGH TO HAVE VEHICLES INSIDE, THERE WON'T BE ANY STORAGE OF INOPERABLE VEHICLES ON THE SITE.
DID YOU PURCHASE A LOT FROM EITHER SIDE OF IT?
>> DID YOU PURCHASE THE LOTS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE STORE BECAUSE IT THE STORE ACTUALLY IS THE WIDTH OF THE LOT.
>> KENNY MCCLELLAN STILL OWNS ONE ON EITHER SIDE.
WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT MIGHT HAPPEN DOWN THE ROAD.
WE JUST PURCHASED THE LOT ON WHICH THE BUILDING IS.
>> OKAY. PUT A SERVICE BAY, I GUESS FROM THE FRONT, SINCE YOU CAN'T REALLY ACCESS IT FROM THE SIDES?
>> IF YOU LOOK AT THE BUILDING, THERE ARE TWO ORIGINAL OPENINGS FOR SERVICE DOORS.
OUR GOAL IS TO REOPEN BOTH OF THOSE AND PUT DOORS THERE.
THE ONE IS IN THE CENTER OF THE BUILDING WHERE THE EXISTING ENTRANCES IS AND THE WINDOW ON ITS SIDE, THAT WILL BECOME A SURFACE BUILDING.
THEN THE ENTRANCE TO THE BUILDING, IT WILL GO BACK TO WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY.
THE ENTRANCE IS ON THE LEFT SIDE [OVERLAPPING] [INAUDIBLE] WINDOWS THERE.
THAT'S THE PLAN, TO BASICALLY PUT IT BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION.
>> THIS OF COURSE, WAS SENT TO VDOT AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ARROW YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S NOT REALLY A DRIVEWAY, IT'S JUST A [LAUGHTER] WHOLE FRONT OF THE LOT IS OPEN TO THE ROAD.
BUT THEY SAID IT'S A SADLY STORE AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN LIKE THAT.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO REQUIRE ANY AMENDMENTS TO THE SITE PLAN FOR VDOT PURPOSES.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. [OVERLAPPING] ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTION?
>> ONE OTHER QUESTION AND I GUESS THAT MS. LEWIS YOU INDICATED THAT BY DAMAGED VEHICLES BUT I GUESS THAT WOULD BE MY BIGGEST CONCERN OF ANY AUTOMOBILE REPAIR FACILITY PLACES TO STORE VEHICLES THAT MAY NOT HAVE ANY DAMAGE ON THEM, BUT JUST BEING NOT OPERABLE AND IT BECOMES A PLACE OF STORAGE AND BECOME A JUNKYARD.
>> IT FITS AN INOPERABLE VEHICLE MEANING IT DOESN'T HAVE A CURRENT TAG AND CURRENT REGISTRATION.
THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO BE STORED IN COMPLETELY ENCLOSED BUILDING IN THIS AWNING DESIGNATION.
>> YOUR FUEL TANK STORAGE YARD, WHAT SIZE TANKS WERE THEY?
>> I KNOW SOMETIMES THE OLDEST STATIONS THEY ONLY HAD 500 OR 1000 GALLONS, BUT ANYWAY, THEY WERE [NOISE] [OVERLAPPING]
>> BECAUSE I WORK BACK-AND-FORTH WITH THE DEQS AND MAKE SURE BEFORE I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY THAT EVERYTHING WAS GOOD.
BUT I DON'T REMEMBER OFFHAND WHAT THE SIZE OF THOSE THINGS WAS.
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>> BUT ALL OF THEM WERE UNDERGROUND?
>> YES, ALL OF THEM WERE ON THE GROUND.
>> YES, WHEN I GREW UP IN SAY [INAUDIBLE] I DON'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT THAT AREA.
BUT WHEN RONNIE MOVED OVER TO THE STORE ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH IS A CABINET SHELF THAT WAS BRISTOW'S SUPERMARKET.
THEN HE MOVED BACK AND FORTH LIKE TWO TIMES WITH THE MCCLANNEY MAN, NOT RAY BUT [LAUGHTER] JOE MCCLANNEY.
HE ENDED UP OPENING UP THE BIG STORE AND THEN RUNNING MOVING BACK TO THE SMALL STORE.
BUT WHEN HE MOVED BACK THE SECOND TIME THEY END UP DIGGING THE HOLE AND FILL IN THE TANKS UP WITH SAND.
>> THE TANKS WERE STILL THERE?
>> THE TANKS WERE STILL THERE, THEY'RE JUST FILL WITH SAND.
>> WELL, TO END THIS IS JUST A PERSONAL NOTE.
TWO EXPERIENCES, I'VE RUN INTO IS A STATION.
ALL THE TANKS WERE MARKED, BUT ONE THAT NOBODY KNEW ABOUT IT EXCEPT THE OLD TIME HITS, AND THAT ONE IS STILL SITTING THERE.
I DON'T MEAN THINK DEQ KNOWS ABOUT IT AND KEEP YOU PERMANENT.
IT'S CALLED THE STATE OF VIRGINIA HAS BEEN KNOWN TO CALL YOU BACK IN 10 YEARS AND MAKE YOU JUMP THROUGH ALL THE HOOPS BECAUSE THEY LOST THE PAPERWORK.
>> BE SURE YOU KEEP UP WITH THAT BECAUSE THAT IS A BIG DEAL.
>> ONE QUESTION. SINCE THE LAND IS SO SMALL, THERE'S NO OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO MAKE THE BUILDING ANY LARGER SINCE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOME RENOVATION.
>> WE COULD PROBABLY AT SOME POINT, I'VE CONSIDERED BUILDING A [INAUDIBLE] ON THE BACK WHICH THE ONLY THING BEHIND IT IS, I WANT TO SAY MAYBE 70 FEET TO A DRAINAGE DITCH.
THEN DAVE SHARERS MUSHROOM BUILDING IS BEHIND THAT.
I THINK WE COULD BUILD A LEAN-TO-TYPE STRUCTURE BEHIND IT TO GIVE US SOME MORE PUBLIC SPACE.
BUT THE ONLY OTHER OPTION WOULD BE IF KENNY WOULD SELL THE ADJOINING LOTS WE COULD DO SOMETHING THERE.
BUT I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING.
I DON'T NEED THAT TO HAPPEN [INAUDIBLE]. [LAUGHTER]
>> JUST THOUGHT SINCE YOU HAVE TO DO RECONSTRUCTION, SO TO SPEAK, IF YOU'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOME MODIFICATIONS.
>> BESIDES, CAN WE GOT TO GET YOU OUT TO SUDDENLY THE METROPOLIS OF SUDDENLY.
>> WE'RE EXCITED, IT GOT A DILAPIDATED BUILDING, A ROOF ON IT. [LAUGHTER]
>> WITH A ROOF, COME TO DRIBBLE YOU'LL SEE.
>> DON'T PICK ON [INAUDIBLE] AND THAT'S WHERE THE FIRST HOSPITAL WAS IN, I REMEMBER AGAIN.
>> THERE'S LOT OF HISTORY TO SETTLE.
>> ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, SIR.
>> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON APPLICATION NUMBER 3, RZA 20220318036, LLC OWNER TOM FRETS? ANY OTHER COMMENTS, GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE.
I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ANY COMMENTS OR MOTIONS BY THE BOARD.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION REACT FAVORABLY ON THIS REQUEST.
>> WE HAVE A PROPER MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR?
>> I GOT ONE QUESTION. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FROM DEQ THAT SAYS THAT PROPERTY? I'M WORRIED ABOUT THAT.
>> WE HAVE RECORDS FROM THE DEQ ABOUT THE FILLING OF THE TANKS.
>> BECAUSE SOMEBODY GETS UPSET OR SOMETHING IN THERE, THAT WILL BE THE FIRST THING THEY ZOOM IN ON IT.
>> I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROJECT.
I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE TO BACK OFF AND STATIONS BECAUSE OF THAT.
I GUESS MR. FRETS HE'S GETTING.
>> I DON'T KNOW GOOD MAN DOES HAVE A COPY OF THE LETTER FROM THE DEQ.
>> NO PROBLEM I THINK IT'S GREAT.
I JUST KNOW THAT IS CREATING PROBLEMS [INAUDIBLE] AS WELL AS CAROLINA.
>> WE HAVE A PROPER MOTION IN FAVOR AND A SECOND.
>> I BELIEVE AND THOSE OPPOSED, THERE ARE BEING NONE SO UNANIMOUS APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THANK YOU, SIR. LET'S MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER 6.
[VI. NEW BUSINESS]
DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSIONS OF NEW BUSINESS? NO NEW BUSINESS.>> NO, UTILITY-SCALE SOLAR ORDINANCES ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS' AGENDA FOR THIS MONTH.
THAT'LL BE IN A WEEK-AND-A-HALF, THAT'S ALL.
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>> HAVE YOU HAD ANY FEEDBACK AT ALL AS PASSING ANY CALL OR ANYTHING?
>> NO, I HAVEN'T AND NEXT WEEK I GO TO THE VIRGINIA CHAPTER OF THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION CONFERENCE AND I WILL GIVE A PRESENTATION ON YOUR PROPOSED ORDINANCE.
>> WELL, SOMETHING I RAN ACROSS TODAY ON A NEWS THING WITH THE INTERNET IS TALKING ABOUT SOLAR PANELS IN CALIFORNIA.
AT SOME POINT I MAY FORWARD THAT ON TO YOU-ALL NOW THE TRUTH BEHIND IT, YOU NEVER KNOW COMING OUT THE NEWS, BUT IT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION BECAUSE THEY ARE HAVING AN ABUNDANT SUPPLY OF ALL SOLAR PANELS IN CALIFORNIA AND RUNNING OUT OF ROOM TO PUT.
>> THEY HAVE A BLACKOUT TOO BECAUSE THEY'RE SWITCHING TO THIS FORM OF ENERGY WHICH IS NOT DEPENDABLE THAT SUITS CLEARLY AND THEN THEY'RE HAVING BLACKOUTS WHEN THE WEATHER CHANGE BECAUSE THEY'VE GOTTEN RID OF THEIR FOSSIL FUEL CAPACITIES.
>> WELL, I THINK WHAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION IS, WE HAVE EVER ADVOCATE COME IN HERE AND SAY, WE DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT SOLAR FACILITIES BEING DECOMMISSIONED.
THEN WHEN I SAW THAT TODAY I THOUGHT, WELL, THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME INFORMATION ON DECOMMISSIONING AND THE FACT THAT CALIFORNIA'S RUNNING OUT OF PLACES TO PUT THEM.
>> EUROPE HAS HAVING THIS TROUBLE NOW THE SAME THING GOING THROUGH WITH THE SOLAR POWER AND WIND POWER.
THEY'RE HAVING BLACKOUTS RIGHT AND LEFT.
THEY'VE GOTTEN RID OF THEIR FOSSIL FUEL STUFF.
THEY TRYING TO GET THE SMALL NUKES GOING.
I THINK WE NEED TO GO TO SCHOOL ON THAT.
>> WELL, I WANT TO PUT THAT ON RECORD TONIGHT SO THAT IF WE HAD ANY FEEDBACK OR PUSHBACK WITH BOARD OF SUPERVISORS YOU-ALL AWARE.
>> THEY PUSHED BACK, I DON'T THINK.
>> THEY SEEMED TO PRETTY PLEASED WITH YOUR ORDINATES WHEN YOU HAD YOUR JOINT MEETING A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.
>> ANY ADDITIONAL NEW BUSINESS? ITEM 7, BCA MATTERS.
>> NO, THERE ARE NO BCA APPLICATIONS.
>> MR. DRAKE, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TELEPHONICALLY, WE HOPE YOU GET WELL.
>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN AND I THANK YOU, THE BOARD [INAUDIBLE]
>> YOU HAVE NO PUBLIC HEARINGS NEXT MONTH, SO YOU COULD SPEND YOUR WHOLE MEETING TALKING ABOUT LITTER.
>> THAT'S A WEEK LATE BECAUSE OF THE FAIR.
>> IT'S YOUR MEETING, PLEASE INQUIRE ABOUT POSSIBLE LITTER COMMITTEES OR ANY INFORMATION HELPFUL ON LITTER FOR THOSE OF US THAT ARE NOT AN EXPERT BECAUSE I CERTAINLY AM NOT.
ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE BOARD? DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN?
>> YOU ALL HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. THANKS FOR COMING OUT.
>> THANKS MR. DRAKE. [NOISE]
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