[00:00:01] >> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I'M GOING TO ASK [I. CALL TO ORDER] TONIGHT IF WE HAD AN INDICATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO PAUSE FOR A BRIEF FEW MOMENTS JUST IN REMEMBRANCE OF MR. GLENN DIED, WHICH SOME OF HIS FAMILY, HIS WIFE, AND DAUGHTER ARE HERE TONIGHT. I DIDN'T KNOW THEY'LL WILL BE HERE, BUT LET'S DON'T DIE. HE MISSED VERY FEW MEETINGS. THAT WAS CONTRIBUTED A POINT OF VIEW TOOLS, AS WELL AS THE BOARD SUPERVISORS. I CONSIDER HIM A REAL STATESMAN FOR THE COUNTY AND FOR ALL THE LIVES HE HAS TOUCHED. I'M GOING TO ASK YOU IF YOU WILL, JUST BOW YOUR HEADS FOR A FEW MOMENTS AND AFTERWARDS, I'LL CLOSE WITH A PRAYER IN JUST IN REMEMBRANCE OF MR. GLENN'S DEATH. BOW YOUR HEADS, PLEASE? HEAVENLY FATHER AS WE COME TONIGHT TO CONDUCT BUSINESS AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, LORD, WE JUST ASK YOU TO BE WITH US AND WE'D BE ATTENTIVE TO ANY COMMENTS AND POINTS OF VIEW AS [INAUDIBLE] TONIGHT, THAT IN THE END, LORD, THE DECISIONS MADE OR RECOMMENDATIONS MADE HERE TONIGHT WOULD BE PLEASING TO YOU. WE ASK YOU TO CONTINUE BLESSING UPON OUR COUNTY, OUR COUNTRY. THERE IS SO MUCH TURMOIL GOING ON, BUT WE'RE SO BLESSED FOR ALL THE GOOD THINGS THAT YOU PROVIDE FOR US EACH AND EVERY DAY. BE WITH US LORD THAT WE HAVE A GOOD MEETING, A GOOD PRODUCTIVE MEETING TONIGHT, AND AT THE OF CLOSE THIS MEETING, MAY YOU PLEASE BE ON EACH ONE AS WE JOURNEY BACK HOME. LORD THESE AND ALL THINGS BE AT YOUR SON'S NAME JESUS CHRIST, AMEN. [NOISE] I WILL NOW CALL THE JUNE MEETING OF THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER. I'M ASKED IF EVERYONE WILL STAND AS WE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG. THANK YOU AND WELCOME EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU HERE TONIGHT TO OUR MEETING. ONE NOTE IS WE GET TO NOW THIRD ITEM TONIGHT. WE WILL HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT POSITION TONIGHT. BUT IF ANYBODY WHO IS WILLING TO SPEAK, JUST GET YOUR THOUGHTS TOGETHER. THAT'LL BE THE THIRD ITEM ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT. OTHERWISE, LET IT BE NOTED THAT MRS. AUSTIN WILL NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT. [II. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - May 2022] BUT I THINK EVERYBODY ELSE IS HERE AND HOPE EVERYONE HAS HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THEIR AGENDAS AND THEIR PACKETS, WHICH I MUST SAY IT'S COMING VERY QUICKLY. IT GIVES US A LOT OF EXTRA TIME TO REVIEW THE INFORMATION. MS. LEWIS, WE APPRECIATE THAT. AT THIS TIME, I WELCOME ANY COMMENTS OR ANY ADDITIONS TO THE MINUTES AS THEY HAVE BEEN PRESENTED. OTHERWISE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> I MOVE THAT BE APPROVED. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A PROPER SECOND. THEY'D BE APPROVED AS PRESENTED. ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT, ALL IN FAVOR OF ADOPTING THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED, SAY, AAH. >> AAH. >> IN THE OPPOSE LIKE [INAUDIBLE]. THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED AS PRESENTED. THANK YOU. [III. PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD] NOW, WE WILL GO DOWN ON OUR AGENDA TO ITEM NUMBER 3, WHICH IS PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. LIKE I SAID TONIGHT, WE VOTED, I THINK LAST MEETING, THAT WE WERE UP THERE. WE TRIED IT FOR A WHILE AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY COMMENTS ABOUT ANYTHING ON OUR AGENDA COMING UP TONIGHT OR ANYTHING REFERRING TO COUNTY AFFAIRS. AT THIS TIME, IF YOU LIKE, COME FORWARD TO DIVORCE ANY CONCERNS. [00:05:01] I JUST ASK THAT YOU GIVE YOUR NAME AND MAYBE THE JURISDICTION YOU'RE FROM FOR THE MINUTES. AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. [NOISE] >> THIS IS NOT THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> CORRECT. >> THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENT. >> PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, CORRECT. [NOISE] >> THEY WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK [OVERLAPPING]. >> YES. >> WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED TONIGHT AS WELL. BUT THIS IS CALLED PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. ANY OTHER ISSUE OR TO COUNTY, THIS BE THE BE YOUR TIME TO COME FORWARD. LAST CALL. >> CAN I MAKE A COMMENT? >> SURE. >> I WAS JUST LOOKING OUT AT THE GALLERY AND THINKING ABOUT MR. UPDIKE. THE LAST TIME I SAW HIM, THINK WAS AT THE ACADEMY WHEN IT WAS A PROMOTION CEREMONY OF, I ASSUME HIS GRANDCHILDREN. I SAW YOU LINDA AND I WAS WITH MY WIFE HEATHER. HE CAME UP TO ME AND WAS TALKING TO ME ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WAS PASSIONATE, SOLAR PANELS. I DIDN'T ALWAYS AGREE WITH GLENN. A LOT OF TIMES I DID AGREE WITH HIM, BUT I'M GOING TO MISS HIM NOT BEING THERE. >> WE ALL WILL. >> HE ALWAYS HAD A SMILE ON HIS FACE, WHETHER HE AGREED WITH YOU OR DISAGREED WITH YOU. HE ALWAYS WAS PASSIONATE ABOUT THE ISSUE AND I ALWAYS RESPECTED THAT ABOUT GLENN. I THINK I TOLD HIM THAT I THOUGHT THAT HIS WIFE WAS A BETTER POLITICIAN THAN HIM. I THINK HE INSULTED ME TOO. I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY HOW, BUT IT WAS ALL [LAUGHTER] IN GOOD FAITH. >> MR. RANDALL, HE AGREED TO THAT. >> HE AGREED TO THAT? BUT GLENN WOULD ALWAYS HELP ANYBODY THAT I ASKED. I'M GOING TO MISS HIS COMMENTARY [OVERLAPPING]. >> I THINK WE ALL WILL. >> JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. >> THANK YOU. IF NO ONE'S GOING TO COME FORWARD, I'M GOING TO CLOSE TO THE HEARING. [NOISE] CLOSE TO PERIODS, EXCUSE ME. WE'LL GO DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER 4. [IV. PUBLIC HEARINGS] WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED TONIGHT, AND I'M GOING TO ASK MS. LEWIS WILL PROCEED WITH THOSE REMARKS. >> THIS EVENING YOU HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING YOUR MOST RECENT DRAFT OF THE UTILITY-SCALE SOLAR ORDINANCE WHICH YOU ARE FORWARDING TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. THIS HAS BEEN UNCHANGED FOR SEVERAL MONTHS. YOU LOOKED AT IT, MADE SURE ALL THE T'S WERE CROSSED AND THE I'S WERE DOTTED. IN SUMMARY, HITTING THE HIGHLIGHTS THAT MAKE IT DIFFERENT THAN THE ORDINANCE THAT'S IN PLACE TODAY. LET'S PROPOSE THAT THE MINIMUM RATED NAMEPLATE CAPACITY OF ANY UTILITY-SCALE SOLAR PROJECT BE AT LEAST 20 MEGAWATTS AND NOT MORE THAN 100 MEGAWATTS. THIS LIMITS THE USE OF LAND IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY TO ONE PERCENT OF AREA OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. WITH THE CURRENT RATIO IS BETWEEN FARM AND FORESTED LAND TO BE DETERMINED AT THE TIME OF APPLICATION. AT THE TIME THIS ORDINANCE WAS PREPARED, 69 PERCENT OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY WAS FORESTED LANDS. THIS ORDINANCE WOULD REQUIRE THAT 69 PERCENT OF THE LAND USED FOR PROPOSED SOLAR PROJECT BE FORESTED LAND. THE REST COULD BE AGRICULTURAL LAND. THIS LEAVES IT IN THE M1 ZONING DESIGNATION WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. THIS REQUIRES THAT PROJECTS BE AT LEAST ONE MILE FROM ANY INCORPORATED PLACE AND FIVE MILES FROM EACH OTHER. IT REQUIRES THAT IF THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS IN AN AGRICULTURE AND FORESTED DISTRICT THAT THAT PROCESS BE COMPLETED BEFORE THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED. IT INCLUDES BUFFERS AND SETBACKS THAT ARE NOT IN TODAY'S ORDINANCE. IT ESPECIALLY PROTECTS HOMES, PLACES OF WORSHIP, HISTORICAL RESOURCES, CULTURAL RESOURCES, AND STATE SCENIC RIVERS. IT DOES PERMIT BUFFERS TO GET WIDER AND NARROWER DEPENDING ON WHAT THEIR BUFFERING. IF THE AREA DOESN'T NEED AS MUCH BUFFERING THEN THE BUFFER COULD GET NARROWER AT THAT AREA THAT NEEDS MORE BUFFERING THAN THE BUFFER COULD WIDEN IN THAT AREA. IT REQUIRES THAT THE BUFFERS BE INSTALLED IN THE FIRST PLANTING SEASON AFTER THE LAND DISTURBING FARMER IS ISSUED SO AS TO LET THAT LANDSCAPING START TO GROW IN. IT LIMITS THE USE OF NON NATIVE VEGETATION TO NO MORE THAN 25 PERCENT OF ALL THE NEW PLANTINGS UNLESS THE LANDSCAPE DESIGN PROFESSIONALS [NOISE] AND SAID THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE THERE, [00:10:03] REQUIRES A MAJORITY OF 50 PERCENT OF THE COST OF LANDSCAPING TO BE SUBMITTED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROJECT. ONCE THE PROJECT IS COMPLETED, IT CAN BE REFUNDED EXCEPT THE $50,000 LANDSCAPE BOND WILL BE RETAINED FOR THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT, [NOISE] TO BE USED BY THE COUNTY IN CASE LANDSCAPING NEEDS TO BE REPLACED AND THE OWNER DOESN'T CHOOSE TO DO THAT. IT SAYS NO TOPSOIL CAN BE REMOVED FROM THE SITE. IT SAYS NO GRADING CAN TAKE PLACE ON SLOPES EXCEEDING 15 PERCENT. IT REQUIRES THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING BE HELD NOT MORE THAN SIX MONTHS BEFORE THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED. MOST OF THE HIGHLIGHTS TALKS ABOUT DECOMMISSIONING, THAT DECOMMISSIONING WILL GIVE NO SALVAGE VALUE CREDIT, THE DECOMMISSIONING BOND OR SURETY HAS TO BE FOR 100 PERCENT OF THE PROPOSED DECOMMISSIONING COSTS, REQUIRES THAT THE DECOMMISSIONING PLAN AND THE SITE PLAN AND THE SITING AGREEMENT ALL BE RECORDED WITH THE CLERK OF THE COURT. THE IMPACT ASSESSMENTS ARE THE SAME AS THEY'RE IN THE ORDINANCE TODAY AND IT REQUIRES A PHASING PLAN SO AS TO DETERMINE HOW THE PROJECT IS GOING TO DEVELOP. I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM MRS. LEWIS BEFORE WE PROCEED WITH THE HEARING? >> EXCUSE ME, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION PLEASE, COULD YOU DISTINGUISH BETWEEN [OVERLAPPING]. >> IF YOU'LL WAIT JUST A SECOND, SIR, WE ARE GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. >> YES SIR, I'M SORRY. >> ON THE PUBLIC HEARING RATHER THIS IS JUST FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS. >> WELL, I'M SORRY. >> THAT'S OKAY. IT'S ALL RIGHT. AGAIN, ANYONE FROM THE BOARD HAVE A QUESTION OR COMMENT FOR MS. LEWIS? ARE YOU ALL READY TO PROCEED WITH THE HEARING? ALL RIGHT, IT IS TIME THEN I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. AT THIS TIME, ANYONE CAN COME FORWARD TO MAKE ANY COMMENT ABOUT THE ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED THAT'S CONSIDERED BEING RECOMMENDED TO THE GOVERNING BODY. ANYONE COME FORWARD NOW AND YOU JUST HAVE TO GIVE YOUR NAME AND THE JURISDICTION YOU ARE FROM FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. >> GOOD EVENING. >> MY NAME IS BLAKE COXON FROM CHESTERFIELD. SOME OF YOU MIGHT RECOGNIZE ME FROM MY TIME WITH CONSERVATIVES FOR CLEAN ENERGY. I INTERACTED WITH SOME OF YOUR STAFF AND CONSTITUENTS DURING THAT TIME. ALTHOUGH I'M NOT WITH CC ANYMORE, I'M DEVELOPING A NOT-FOR-PROFIT FOCUSED ON SIMILAR ISSUES, SOLELY FOCUSED HERE IN VIRGINIA. WE'RE MAKING SURE THERE'S A COMMONSENSE VOICE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL WHEN WE'RE HAVING THESE ENERGY DISCUSSIONS. AS A CONSERVATIVE, I BELIEVE PROPERTY RIGHTS ARE INDISPENSABLE TO THE SUCCESS OF AMERICA AND A FUNDAMENTAL ROLE OF GOVERNMENT IS TO PROTECT THESE PROPERTY RIGHTS. JOHN ADAMS SAID, "PROPERTY MUST BE SECURED OR LIBERTY CANNOT EXIST. PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS ARE WHAT SEPARATES US FROM SOCIALIST COUNTRIES." MANY SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY LANDOWNERS WANT TO USE THEIR OWN LAND FOR SOLAR PROJECTS. THEY BELIEVE AS AMERICANS, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO SO AS LONG AS THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS ARE NOT VIOLATED. THEY WANT TO USE THEIR PROPERTY TO GENERATE INCOME FOR THEIR FAMILIES, INCOME THAT BENEFITS NOT ONLY THEMSELVES BUT THE BUSINESSES AND CITIZENS OF SOUTHAMPTON AS WELL. MORE SPECIFICALLY, ASPECTS OF THE ORDINANCE LIKE THE MEGAWATT AND ACREAGE RESTRICTIONS WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO LANDOWNERS IN THE STATE OF SOLAR HERE IN SOUTHAMPTON. THIS WOULD ALSO BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE DUE TO THE PROFOUND COMMUNITY BENEFITS ASSOCIATED WITH SOLAR. SOUTHAMPTON'S POTENTIAL TO GENERATE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN NEW TAX REVENUE FROM SOLAR WILL BENEFIT EVERY RESIDENT OF THE COUNTY. THIS ADDITIONAL TAX REVENUE CAUSES NEW STRAIN ON PUBLIC SERVICES LIKE OTHER TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT DEMAND. THESE TAX DOLLARS CAN GO TO HELP LOWER TAXES ON CITIZENS OR REPAIRING ROADS, INFRASTRUCTURE, FUNDING SCHOOLS, OR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS. I WOULD URGE YOU TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF SOLAR DEVELOPMENTS HERE IN SOUTHAMPTON SO LANDOWNERS MOVING FORWARD WITH THESE PROJECTS AND THE BENEFITS OF ENERGY DEVELOPED MAYBE FULLY REALIZED BY THE COUNTY. THANK YOU. [00:15:01] >> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS GENTLEMAN? ANY QUESTIONS? >> I GUESS I DO. YOU MENTIONED ACREAGE AND MEGAWATTS? >> YES, SIR. >> WERE THEY YOUR TWO MAJOR CONCERNS? >> YES, SIR. >> THANK YOU. >> OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU, GUYS. >> GOOD EVENING, SCOTT FOSTER WITH GENTRY LOCKE. MY OFFICE IS IN RICHMOND, BUT I LIVE IN WILLIAMSBURG HERE ON BEHALF OF CLENERA WHO'S INTERESTED IN THE PROJECTS IN SOUTHAMPTON. IT'S GOOD TO BE BACK WITH YOU ALL IN WHAT IS, I GUESS, GOING TO BE THE END OF THIS PROCESS. GOT A NUMBER OF THOUGHTS ABOUT YOUR DRAFT ORDINANCE. ON THE MACRO LEVEL, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. YOU GUYS HAVE A PROJECT THAT REALLY NOBODY IS SATISFIED WITH. DON'T LIKE THE WAY IT LOOKS. YOU DON'T LIKE DRIVING BY IT. THE INDUSTRY HAS CHANGED A LOT SINCE THAT PROJECT WAS DEVELOPED. PROJECTS WE'RE PERMITTING TODAY ARE DERIVED FROM ORDINANCES OR VOLUNTARY CONDITIONS THAT ARE BY-AND-LARGE REFLECTIVE OF THE DESIGN PARAMETERS THAT YOU'VE PUT IN YOUR WORK. THE DESIGN PARAMETERS IN HERE ARE TOUGH. SOME OF THEM ARE VERY TOUGH, BUT MOST ARE FAIR. I THINK FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF PROTECTING THE PUBLIC FROM VIEW SHED AND IMPACTS OF SOLAR LIKE YOU HAVE WITH YOUR EXISTING PROJECT, THESE PARAMETERS YOU'RE GOING TO DO WHICH YOU'VE INTENDED TO DO AND I THINK A GOOD DEVELOPMENT PARTNER CAN COME IN UNDER THIS ORDINANCE AND DESIGN A PROJECT THAT IS WELL HIDDEN AND LOOKS GOOD AND FUNCTIONS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. THAT BEING SAID, I HAVE TWO SPECIFIC CONCERNS. NUMBER 1, IS THE 100-MEGAWATT PROJECT CAP. I'M NOT SURE THAT THE 100-MEGAWATT PROJECT CAP IS NECESSARY. THE REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE YOU ALL ARE ENTERTAINING AN ACREAGE CAP IN THE COUNTY, THE ONE PERCENT ACREAGE CAP. I HAVE HERE, THE ONE PERCENT GIVEN THE OFFSET OF THE EXISTING SOUTHAMPTON SOLAR, YOU ALL HAVE 2437 ACRES LEFTOVER. THE INDUSTRY ESTIMATE AT MEGAWATTS PER ACRE IS YOU CAN SAFELY GENERATE ONE MEGAWATT ON 10 ACRES. THAT LEAVES YOU ALL WITH APPROXIMATELY 245 MEGAWATTS OF BANDWIDTH IN THIS CURRENT ORDINANCE. LET THE INDUSTRY BRING YOU CUSTOM-TAILORED PROJECTS WITHIN THAT 245 MEGAWATTS AND DON'T HOLD US TO A 100-MEGAWATT LIMITATION. IF IT'S A 200-MEGAWATT PROJECT, MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, THEY'RE DESIGNED LIKE FOUR 50-MEGAWATT PROJECTS. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT FENCING IN MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF AREA, THE WETLANDS, AND TYPOGRAPHY IN EASTERN VIRGINIA, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SMALLER UNITS BROKEN UP. I THINK THE 100-MEGAWATT LIMITATION IS A BIT ARBITRARY AND IT'S INCONGRUENT WITH HOW THE INDUSTRY LOOKS AND SIZES PROJECTS. NUMBER 2, IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO HEM YOU ALL IN. THERE COULD BE A 150 OR 200-MEGAWATT PROJECT THAT COMES IN THAT'S WELL BUFFERED, WELL-DESIGNED, WELL SITED AND YOU ALL HAVE JUST SAID NO FROM THE OUTSET, THAT 150-MEGAWATT PROJECT MIGHT BE DIVIDED UP AMONGST SIX OR EIGHT PARCELS, SPREAD OUT OVER AN EXTENDED AREA. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS SETTING SOMETHING UP THAT A IS NOT REFLECTIVE OF HOW THE INDUSTRY WORKS AND THEN B, IT REALLY DOESN'T HELP YOU IN YOUR END GOAL OF CONTROLLING WHAT THINGS LOOK, HOW THEY FUNCTION, AND HOW THEY'RE LOCATED. NOT TO MENTION ON THE REVENUE SIDE, BIGGER PROJECTS PAY MORE MONEY SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ONE, YOU MIGHT AS WELL CAPTURE THE REVENUE AVAILABLE. SECOND, WITHIN THE ONE PERCENT, YOU ALL HAVE A COMMITMENT TO KEEP CURRENT RATIOS OF AG TO TIMBRE. NOW, I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT, BUT I THINK ONE OF THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES MAY BE BASED ON THE WAY I READ THE ORDINANCE IS RIGHT NOW WITHIN THE 22437 YOU HAVE USING THE CURRENT RATIOS OF 69 TO 31, THAT WOULD BE 755 ACRES OF AG, 1682 OF TIMBER. SAY I BRING YOU A PROJECT AND YOU APPROVE IT ON 1600 ACRES OF TIMBER. YOU'RE FORCING THE INDUSTRY'S HAND WITHIN YOUR EXISTING ORDINANCE TO ONLY LOCATE ANOTHER PROJECT ON AG. I'M NOT SURE THAT WAS YOUR INTENTION. MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE IS AN ALTERNATE ALLOW [00:20:02] THE 755 ACRES OF AG TO BE THE MAXIMUM WITHIN THAT 100 PERCENT THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED ON AG LAND. WHAT IF SOMEONE WERE TO BRING YOU A PROJECT THAT WAS ENTIRELY LOCATED ON TIMBER UP TO THAT 2437 ACRE LIMIT? ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN AND IN THE MEANTIME, YOU HAVEN'T FORCED THE INDUSTRY TO LOCATE ON AG, AND YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO CAPTURE THAT PROJECT ENTIRELY LOCATED ON TIMBER. THE TECHNICAL EDIT TO EFFECTUATE THAT WOULD BE SECTION 18624, NUMBER 3. AFTER THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO SAY COMMA, NO MORE THAN 30 PERCENT OF WHICH BE LOCATED ON AG LAND CURRENTLY IN PRODUCTION, AND MOVE AWAY FROM THIS MOVING TARGET OF USING THE STATE FOREST SERVICE AND THE STATE AG SERVICE TO DETERMINE WHAT THE RATIO IS AT ANY GIVEN POINT. JUST SET THAT CEILING ON AG AT 30 PERCENT AND ALLOW SOMEONE TO BRING YOU A PROJECT COMPLETELY ON TIMBER UP TO THAT 2400-ACRE LAND. REASONABLE FOLKS CAN DIFFER ON WHAT THE RIGHT PERCENTAGE OF ACREAGE IN ACCOUNTING IS APPROPRIATE. YOU ALL HAVE DECIDED ON ONE PERCENT AND I'M PROBABLY NOT FOR MOVE YOU OFF OF THAT. BUT AT 2400 ACRES YOU GIVE AN INDUSTRY AT LEAST A PLACE TO START, SOME ROOM FOR TO WORK WITH. WELCOMING YOUR QUESTIONS AND APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS. THANK YOU. >> ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING. PHIL BAINE FROM THE IVOR-BERLIN MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT. I APOLOGIZE EARLIER FOR MY POOR TIMING ON MY QUESTION. I THOUGHT YOU HAD OPENED IT UP. >> THAT'S ALL RIGHT. I DIDN'T MAKE THAT CLEAR, SIR. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. >> THANKS. I TOO, WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND BOARD FOR THEIR WORK. THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK OVER THE PAST YEARS AND WE APPRECIATE THAT. MY QUESTION, PERHAPS CLARIFY SOME OF MY FOLLOWING QUESTIONS. HOW DO YOU DISTINGUISH BETWEEN A UTILITY SCALE PROJECT? THEIR DISTRIBUTION LINES, TRANSMISSION LINES, IS THE DISTINCTION DRAWN THERE? IS IT ALL ENCOMPASSED WITHIN THIS SIZE KILOWATT PROJECT? I'D LIKE A LITTLE CLARIFICATION ON THAT, PLEASE. >> GO AHEAD, MR. [INAUDIBLE] NUMBER OF MEGAWATTS PRODUCED, CORRECT? >> WELL, THE DEFINITION OF UTILITY SCALE SOLAR IS THE LAST DEFINITION ON THE FIRST PAGE AT THE END OF 18-622. THE DEFINITION OF UTILITY-SCALE SOLAR IS [NOISE] ELECTRICITY FROM SUNLIGHT. UTILIZE SUNLIGHT AS AN ENERGY SOURCE AND DOES NOT MEET ANY OF THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA, HAS A DISTURBANCE SOUND, EQUAL TO OR LESS THAN TWO ACRES, IS MOUNTED ON OR OVER A BUILDING OR PARKING LOT, OR OTHER PREVIOUSLY DISTURBED AREA OR UTILIZES INTEGRATED P-V ONLY, SO EVERYTHING ELSE. >> OKAY. >> IF A CHURCH OR A SCHOOL OR A FACTORY WANTED TO INSTALL SOLAR ON THEIR PROPERTY TO RUN THEIR FACILITY. THAT'S NOT CONSIDERED A UTILITY-SCALE SOLAR BY THIS ORDINANCE. >> FEEDING INTO DISTRIBUTION LINES TO POWER TOWNSHIP, NOT ON TRANSMISSION LINES WOULD STILL BE WITHIN THE DEFINITION. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> THANK YOU. THAT WAS WHAT I WANTED TO CLARIFY. AS WAS EXPRESSED EARLIER, I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT I DO FEEL LIKE THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF ACRES IS RESTRICTIVE. EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN OPINION, BUT I DO FEEL LIKE THAT BAR IS SET FAIRLY LOW. THE RATIO BETWEEN TIMBERLAND AND CROPLAND. HEARD THE PAST GENTLEMEN SPEAK TO THAT. I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I THINK THAT WILL LIMIT THE VAST NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT WILL COME INTO THIS, OR BE PROPOSED TO COME INTO THIS COUNTY. IF A LANDOWNER HAS ALL TIMBER OR ALL CROP LAND, MY UNDERSTANDING IS HE WOULD BE EXCLUDED. [00:25:04] FRANKLY, DOESN'T SEEM FAIR. THE ATTORNEY FROM GENTRY LOCKE HAD SEEMED TO BE A REASONABLE ALTERNATIVE. I CAN THINK OF ONE LOCATION. I'LL TOUCH ON MY NEXT POINT BEFORE I GO DOWN THAT ILLUSTRATION. BUT HAVING THE RESTRICTION OF ONE MILE FROM A TOWNSHIP, AND THAT'S WHY I WENT DOWN THE ROAD OF A DISTRIBUTION VERSUS A TRANSMISSION PROJECT. SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS THAT I'VE TALKED TO AND I'VE TRIED TO DO MY DUE DILIGENCE ON THIS. THEY HAVE SAID THAT THE TOWNSHIPS CAN DERIVE BENEFIT FROM THESE PROJECTS, FROM THE DISTRIBUTION STYLE NOT GOING ON THESE BIG UTILITY LINE, HAVE POWER LINES, BUT NEAR THE DISTRIBUTION NETWORK. IT SAYS ON PAGE TWO THAT NO NEW LINE WILL BE ERECTED. WELL, IF WE HAVE TO GET A MILE FROM THE TOWNSHIP, THESE SUBSTATIONS ARE LOCATED RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF A TOWNSHIP. JUST ABOUT ALL INSTANCES THAT I CAN THINK OF THAT PREVENT WHAT I CALL A DISTRIBUTION STYLE [NOISE] [INAUDIBLE] IS USUALLY 30-50 ACRES, LOWER KILOWATTS AND FEEDS THE SUBSTATION AND THE TOWNSHIP AND IT COULD PROVIDE BENEFIT [NOISE] FOR THOSE RESIDENCE. HOPEFULLY MAYBE THAT, YOU COULD CONSIDER EXCLUDING THOSE TYPE OF PROJECTS. THEY WOULD BE A, I'LL CALL IT, THIS IS MY OWN TERMINOLOGY, A TOWNSHIP PROJECT FROM THIS UTILITY SCALE DEFINITION. I KNOW IN THE IVOR AREA, WHICH I'M MOST FAMILIAR WITH, THERE WAS A 600 ACRE TRACK OF LAND, COMES RIGHT UP TO THE SUBSTATION, ENTIRELY FOREST. IF A SOLAR PROJECT WAS PUT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, THE ONLY TWO WAYS TO SEE IT WOULD BE TO FLY OVER IT OR TRESPASS TO GET TO IT. IT SEEMS IDEALLY SUITED TO ME. I BELIEVE, MR. CHESSON, I'M NOT PUTTING WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT I THINK HE WAS A PROPONENT OF HAVING THIS VIEWED ON A CONDITIONAL USE BASIS, EVALUATING EACH PROJECT ON ITS OWN MERITS. THINK THAT HAS A LOT OF CREDIT. THANK YOU FOR THAT IDEA LAST YEAR. >> WELL, AND IT IS STILL [NOISE] REMAIN A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. >> OKAY. >> AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THIS IS JUST GIVES GUIDELINES TO APPLICANTS COMING FORWARD AS FAR AS WHAT TO START WITH. ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS CAN BE ADDED, AS I UNDERSTAND. >> I WAS JUST TRYING TO ILLUSTRATE, THEN IN YOUR EXAMPLE OR UNDER THIS ORDINANCE IS PROPOSED ORDINANCE, IF THAT ENTIRELY TIMBER LOCATION WOULD BE EXCLUDED. I THINK UNDER SUCH TIGHT RESTRICTIONS, YOU CAN REVIEW THAT UNDER CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION AND TAKE IT ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS. AGAIN, ONE MILE FROM A TOWN LIMIT, AND I HOPE YOU COULD LOOK AT THAT CAREFULLY. OPEN VERSUS WOODED HOPE THAT COULD BE GIVEN SOME MORE CONSIDERATION. PHOTO FROM GENTRY LOCKE. I THINK HAD WONDERFUL IDEA. FIVE MILES BETWEEN PROJECTS. I THINK WE ALL KNOW THESE THINGS HAVE TO BE ON FOR THE TRANSMISSION STYLE AND THEY HAVE VOLTAGE LINE ON THE TOWERS. THEY HAVE TO BE VERY CLOSE TO THOSE LINES. YOU START LIMITING THEM FIVE MILES APART. IF YOUR INTENTIONS ARE [INAUDIBLE] YOU'LL ACCOMPLISH THAT. DECOMMISSIONING. I APPLAUD YOU ON THAT. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. I THINK I LIKE YOUR WORDING ON DECOMMISSIONING. I ALSO THOUGHT THAT THE BUFFERING WAS WELL-WRITTEN AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS. I APPRECIATE YOU CONSIDERING MY THOUGHTS. >> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BAINES? THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU. >> WITH REGARD TO MR. BAINES COMMENTS, YOU'LL SEE SOME PLACES THROUGHOUT THE ORDINANCE THAT AT THE END OF THE STANDARDS, THERE'S A PARAGRAPH THAT SAYS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MAY MODIFY THE STANDARDS, AND THAT IS AT THE END OF THE SECTION THAT [00:30:06] REQUIRES THEM TO BE MORE THAN A MILE FROM AN INCORPORATED PLACE. THAT'S ALSO AT THE END OF THIS SECTION THAT REQUIRES THEM TO BE FIVE MILES APART. THOSE ARE TWO THINGS THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CAN MODIFY ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS SHOULD THEY CHOOSE TO. NOT ALL OF THE SECTIONS INCLUDE THAT AUTHORITY FOR THE BOARD TO MODIFY IT, BUT THOSE TWO REQUIREMENTS ARE IN THOSE SECTIONS. >> I GUESS TO FURTHER CLARIFY, I MEAN, THIS ADDRESSES A PROJECT AND A PROJECT CAN INCLUDE, I GUESS IT'S THE SAME WITH A QUESTION MARK, MULTIPLE TAX PARSERS WITH MULTIPLE LANDOWNERS, CAN IT? >> CERTAINLY. >> YEAH. >> MOST TIME IT DOES. >> YEAH. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME. BUT I GUESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT I THOUGHT I HEARD A VOICE INSINUATED THAT A PROJECT ONLY HAD TO BE WITHIN THE SAME OWNER OR TAX [NOISE] [INAUDIBLE]. >> THE HEARING IS STILL OPEN. ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD? [INAUDIBLE] IF NOT, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. [NOISE] NOW I'LL TAKE COMMENTS FROM ANY BOARD MEMBERS. ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT WE HEARD? [NOISE] WELL, SOME OF THE ISSUES BROUGHT UP WE HAD DISCUSSED [NOISE] PRETTY LATE TO ADD SOME OF THE PRIOR MEETINGS. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS ANY FURTHER? WHAT'S THE DIRECTION. >> MS. LEWIS. BASICALLY, THE PLAN CAN BE MODIFIED BY THE BOARD. IF THE AGRICULTURE OR TIMBER ISSUE WOULD COME UP, THE BOARD WOULD HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MODIFY THAT. >> THAT'S NOT ONE OF THEM THAT HAS THAT QUALIFYING PARAGRAPH AT THE END. [NOISE] THAT'S NOT ONE OF THOSE. BUT THAT RATIO HAS ALWAYS BEEN A CLUMSY PARAGRAPH. I THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSION KNOWS WHAT THEY WANT TO ACCOMPLISH. [NOISE] AS A STAFF MEMBER, I THINK THAT MR. FOSTER'S SAYING CAN'T BE MORE THAN 30 PERCENT, BUT CAN'T BE LOCATED ON LAND WHICH IS [NOISE] NOT MORE THAN 30 PERCENT IN CURRENT AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION. I THINK THAT MAY MAKE THE INTENTION OF WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTS TO DO A LITTLE MORE CLEAR. >> I'LL MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT AS WELL. LET'S SAY WE'VE THOUGHT THERE'S A LOT. [NOISE] CAN I GO BACK TO WHAT JOHN SPOKE ABOUT. [NOISE] WELL, OUR FIRST PROJECT CAME SO SUDDENLY, EVEN THOUGH IT HAD BEEN PLANNED FOR ALMOST FIVE YEARS BEFORE IT WENT PUBLIC. ALMOST FIVE YEARS BECAUSE I ACTUALLY SAW WANTED TO LEASE AGREEMENTS. THE POTENTIAL LEASE ON A PARTICULAR PROPERTY. IF IT WAS APPROVED, IT'S GOING TO GO INTO THAT SUBTLETY. BUT IS A LOT OF WORK MORE THAN I CAN EVER IMAGINE, THAT THE DEVELOPER WITH THE ENGINEERING AND THE TECHNICAL ISSUES AT HAND. IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT LOCATING THE PROPERTY OWNER, IS TO [INAUDIBLE] IS A SITE SUFFICIENT AND AUDIT LINES, SUCH TRANSMISSION LINES OR THAT TRANSFER STATION, IS THAT CLOSE PROXIMITY? I JUST IMAGINE WHERE IT TOOK TO GET THAT PROJECT TO COME TOGETHER BECAUSE THAT HAS THE OLDEST VARIOUS PODS, LOT OF DIFFERENT LANDOWNERS. BUT I'M NOT SAYING IT'S SPENT EVERY DAY ON IT. BUT IT WASN'T IN MAKING FOR ALMOST FIVE YEARS BEFORE HE CAME TO THIS PLANNING COMMISSION. I FEEL LIKE I THINK THE PURPOSE IN MIND WAS TO HAVE [00:35:03] THAT BALANCED RATIO AND THAT'S GOING TO BE UP TO THE DEVELOPER DEPRIVED WITHOUT THE PROJECT MANAGER [NOISE] OF THAT DEVELOPER HE'LL COME UP WITH SCENARIOS TO MAKE SO THOSE RATIOS COME ABOUT. I DON T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE DETERMINED. WE'VE ESTABLISHED THOSE PARAMETERS AND IT'S UP TO THE DEVELOPER TO LOCATE THOSE SITES IN THAT AREA WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE LOCATED AT TO COME UP WITH THAT RATIO OF FORESTED LAND OR CUT-OVER LAND VERSUS THE OPEN LAND. BUT LIKE SAY WE HAD REASON FOR DOING THAT TO HAVE A BALANCE, SO TO SPEAK. I THINK THE PROJECT MANAGERS DO, I GUESS THAT'S THE RIGHT WORD. HE'S THE ONE THAT FIGURED OUT THOSE PARAMETERS LIKE KATHLEEN. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. GET THE MAIL ROUTE ON. >> DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO SEND THIS TO THE BOARD OR? >> YES. >> THAT'S YOUR JOB TONIGHT. >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE AS WE WAIT A SECOND. >> I HAVE A PROPER MOTION AND A SECOND THAT WE SEND THE ORDINANCE UP TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AS A FAVORABLE RESPONSE IS ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ANY OTHER COMMENTS. >> IN THE ISSUE OF THE INVOLVEMENT CHAIN BUT TO ME AND I JUST THROWN HIS QUESTION TO BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MODIFICATION STATEMENT BE BELOW THAT STATEMENT, WOULD THAT MAKE IT EASIER? >> BELOW THE PERCENTAGE? >> YES. JUST THROW IT OUT. >> SINCE WE'RE DISCUSSING WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. I'M GOING TO REVERT BACK TO OUR PREVIOUS MEETING WITH MR. TOLSON UNFORTUNATE YOU WEREN'T HERE. BUT NOT THERE IS I'M GOING TO REVERT BACK TO YOU. I THINK THAT YOUR BOARD SUPERVISORS I THINK THEY PRETTY MUCH STAYED. WE'VE MET ALL OF THE OBJECTIVES WHICH YOU ALL HAD PUT FORWARD TO US. IS THAT CORRECT? >> I THINK I CAN DEFINITELY SAY THAT. I MEAN, THERE WERE A FEW SMALL TWEAKS. WE KNOW THAT WE DO IF YOU WEREN'T IN HERE AND THERE, BUT [NOISE] I THINK THE BOARD SUPERVISORS ARE VERY PROUD OF YOU. FINAL MOTION COMING UP WITH THIS. >> WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF SUPERVISORS IN THE GALLERY TONIGHT. >> TOMORROW OUT THERE WE REMARK AND UPTIGHT. >> I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S DEBATABLE. >> I MEAN, WE COULD JUST PUSH IT ON. I MEAN, I WILL SAY READ THE MINUTES AND I'M HERE TO PRESENT THAT TO ME THAT WOULD BE. >> I UNDERSTAND YOUR COMMENT. YES, SIR. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? >> WHEN WOULD THIS MEETING GO TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS? IS THIS SEPTEMBER MEETING? >> JULY. >> JULY. >> WE'LL BE GOING FOR THE FINAL HEARING IN AUGUST. >> OKAY. >> WE HAVEN'T DONE SEPTEMBER 9TH OR 10TH IS THE DEADLINE, IT WILL BE FINISHED IN AUGUST. THAT'S WHY IT GETS A QUILL. >> THERE'LL BE ONE MORE PUBLIC HEARING. >> THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WILL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING. IF YOU MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT, THEY COULD HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AT THEIR JULY MEETING AND MAKE A DECISION THAT NIGHT. THEY COULD DO BOTH AT THEIR AUGUST MEETING INSTEAD, BUT IF YOU MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT, THEY COULD HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AS SOON AS THEIR JULY MEETING. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR OF A SUDDEN THE ORDINANCE, AS PRESENTED, SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> IN OPPOSE-LIKE SIGN. IT IS UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU FOR THE ONES WHO CAME TO SPEAK TONIGHT. WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AS WELL. WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING LATER IN THE MONTH OF JULY. JULY, DID YOU ALLOW ME TO CORRECT IT. >> WELL, I MEAN JULY. >> 4TH TUESDAY OF JULY THAT'S CORRECT. >> ALL RIGHT. NOW WE WILL GO TO ITEM NUMBER 5. [V. UNFINISHED BUSINESS] AGAIN, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAS ENCOURAGED US TO LOOK AT SOME STRATEGIES FOR LITTER CONTROL. WE HAD A LOT OF INFORMATION TO READ UP ON THAT. I'VE ALREADY ADMITTED MY KILT, MS. LEWIS, EARLIER THAT I SKIMMED PARTS OF IT, BUT IT WAS INTERESTING. ANYWAY, MS. LEWIS, AGAIN, I WILL CALL ON YOU TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS ON THIS, PLEASE. [00:40:04] >> THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DID TO ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO STUDY LITTER AND SUGGEST SOLUTIONS TO THE PROBLEM. THERE IS AN ORDINANCE IN THE CURRENT COUNTY CODE THAT PROHIBITS TRASH AND DEBRIS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. FROM MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WAS LOOKING FOR, THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE FOR THAT. I BELIEVE THAT THEY WANT THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO COME UP WITH A WAY TO SOLVE THE LITTER THAT ENDS UP ALONG THE ROADWAYS. I WAS TRYING TO THINK OF A PLACE TO START. MY FIRST THOUGHT WAS, WELL, PERHAPS THERE'S A WAY TO STOP LITTER FROM HAPPENING IN THE FIRST PLACE. LET'S SEE WHAT PERHAPS WE CAN DO TO STOP IT FROM BECOMING LITTER. THEN EDUCATE PEOPLE AS TO THE HARM AND LITTER [NOISE] AND HOW THAT KEEP IT FROM ENDANGERING OUR ENVIRONMENT. THE THIRD, WHICH IF THE FIRST ONES ARE DONE WELL, PERHAPS WON'T BE NEEDED VERY MUCH IS, GETTING LITTER PICKED UP AND DEPOSITED CORRECTLY. SO THAT'S JUST MY WAY OF THINKING, IF THERE'S A WAY TO KEEP IT FROM BECOMING LITTER IN THE FIRST PLACE. THAT MAY TAKE SOME INSPECTION SERVICES THROUGH THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT TO FIND OUT WHERE THE LITTER IS COMING FROM. THE LITTER BEHIND THE HARDY'S THAT THE YOUNG PEOPLE PICKED UP. IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF THAT WAS HARDY'S LITTER, I DOUBT IT WAS. IF YOU DROVE THROUGH THE DRIVE-THROUGH, YOU AND I ARE ALREADY THROWING TRASH OUT THE WINDOW THERE. IF IT'S HARDY'S LITTER, IT MAY BE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DUMPSTER THAT DOESN'T HAVE A SUFFICIENT COVER ON IT. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT YOU EAT YOUR CHEESEBURGER AND THROW THE WRAPPER OUT THAT QUICKLY, SO WHERE DID THAT LITTER COME FROM? FIGURING OUT THINGS LIKE THAT IF THERE'S LITTER AT OTHER COMMERCIAL PLACES, IF THERE IS LITTER NEAR MULTI- FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, WHERE'S THAT LITTER COMING FROM AND AS PART OF IT THAT THE LITTER CONTAINERS AREN'T SUFFICIENT. I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND CHANGES TO OUR [NOISE] ORDINANCES, THAT YOU DO IT IN THE SOLID WASTE CHAPTER AND NOT IN THE ZONING CHAPTER. THE ZONING CHAPTER ONLY APPLIES IN THE UNINCORPORATED PART OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, BUT THE SOLID WASTE CHAPTER APPLIES THROUGHOUT SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, SO IF YOU EXCLUDE THE TOWNS, YOU MIGHT BE LEAVING OUT A BIG PART OF THE PROBLEM. BUT THERE MAY BE WAYS TO MAKE IT SO LITER DOESN'T START IN THE FIRST PLACE. >> DON'T WE STILL HAVE A LITTER COMMITTEE AND THE COUNTY? >> IF I TALKED TO MS. LOWE, THEY HAVEN'T MET SINCE BEFORE COVID STARTED. THEY ARE GENERALLY SHE SAID AN EDUCATIONAL COMMITTEE. THEY AT ONE TIME WERE TRYING TO GET INTO THE SCHOOLS TO DO SOME EDUCATION AMONG THEIR YOUNG CHILDREN ABOUT LITTER. BUT THERE HASN'T BEEN A LOT OF LITTER CONTROL COMMITTEE ACTIVITY PICKING ANYTHING UP, OR ARRANGING TOGETHER PICKED. I INCLUDED A LIST OF ALL THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE ADOPT THE HIGHWAYS THROUGH [INAUDIBLE]. >> [OVERLAPPING]I THOUGHT THAT WAS PRETTY. I WAS READING OVER THAT LIST AND A LOT OF PEOPLE, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DID IT FOR ADVERTISING PURPOSES OR WHATEVER, BUT THEY HAVEN'T EITHER NEVER PICKED UP ON EVERY RECORDED THAT THEY PICKED UP WITH DATES, AND IN SOME OTHER DATES ARE 10-20 YEARS THAT THEY'VE EVER PICK UP ANY TRASH. WELL, LET'S NOT LEAVE THE LITTER COMMITTEE OUT. >> NO. >> OKAY. LET'S INVITE THEM TO THE MEETING THEY DID NOT WANT TO GET REORGANIZED AND START THAT TERRIFIC. >> THEY DO GET SOME FUNDING TOO, THE COUNTY GETS FUNDED. >>THEY GET EDUCATED AND PICKING UP SOME TRASH. [LAUGHTER] >> BUT A LITTER CONTROL COMMITTEE IS AT BEST TEN OR 15 PEOPLE. SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY IS 600 SQUARE MILES. >> MY POINT IS THEY JUST NEED TO START FROM SOMEWHERE TO GET A MEETING TOGETHER. >> I DIDN'T INVITE THEM TONIGHT BECAUSE I FIGURED THAT YOUR PUBLIC HEARING FOR SOLA. [00:45:03] >> [INAUDIBLE] TO CHARGE THAT? >> I DON'T KNOW IF HE IS. >> HE SPOKE TO THE BOARD, I BELIEVE ABOUT THAT. >> BUT HE HADN'T BEEN ON IT IN FULL FIVE YEARS. >> YEAH, BUT I EXPECT YOUR PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT WOULD GO ON. >> I SUGGEST TO CONTACT HIM BECAUSE HE CAME TO THE BOARD ONE OF OUR MEETINGS. >> YES. >> I WOULD JUST INVITE THEM TO THE NEXT MEETING. >> YES. THERE USED TO BE A WOMAN WHO WENT AROUND TO THE SCHOOLS WITH A PARENT. >> IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THIS INFORMATION WE GOT, WAS VERY LITTLE RELIANCE ON LAW ENFORCEMENT. THAT'S NOT THE BIG TOPIC ON ALL THIS INFORMATION, THAT'S NEEDED, BUT I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO INVITE ALL THE CLUBS AROUND, EACH AREA. A LOT THESE CLUBS HAVE TO GET OUT ONCE A MONTH AND PICK UP STUFF AND GIVE THE KIDS PRIZES FOR WHO PICKS UP THE MOST TRASH. GET OUR LOCAL CLUBS INVOLVED, MAYBE ORGANIZATIONS, SADLY, CORTLAND, A LITTLE TOWN SO GET EVERYBODY INVOLVED, THEN WE GIVE A CHANCE. >> WELL, THAT GOES BACK, I THINK YOU'VE IDENTIFIED THREE AREAS. THAT'S ONCE THE LITTERS ARE THERE, AND I THINK THE EDUCATIONAL PART OF IT TO PREVENT IT FROM NEVER BEING ON THE HIGHWAYS AND BYWAYS, AND THAT GOES BACK TO EDUCATION WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT EARLIER FOR THE MEETING. [OVERLAPPING] I THINK ABOUT [INAUDIBLE] SCHOOLS, BUT THINK ABOUT ALL THE CLUBS, CHURCHES, ANY ORGANIZATION, IT WILL BE LIKE A FEATURED PERSON OR PERSONS, THEY COULD GO AND SPEAK, AND AND WE JUST SHOWED A DIFFERENCE AND CAUSE. MR. LUCAS MISSING UP IN HIS AREA, WESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY TO TROUBLE HE HAS. BUT GO AHEAD AND ELABORATE ABOUT GREENFIELD, HEADS THE SIGNS I DON'T THINK THE VEDA SOUNDS, BUT YOU SAY YOU CAN PURCHASE A SIGN. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I LIVE LIKE HE SAID, IN THE WESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY. I'M ABOUT A MILE AND A HALF BEFORE YOU GET TO THE GREENVILLE COUNTY LINE. MY BUSINESSES IN THE CITY OF EMPORIA. IN THE CITY THEY HAD A LOT OF PROBLEM AREAS WITH LITTER, AND WHAT THEY DID WAS THEY PUT UP SIGNAGE THAT STATED THAT THERE WAS A $2,500 FINE FOR LITTERING. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE CLEANEST AREAS IN THAT CITY RIGHT NOW. I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA THAT IF WE STARTED PUTTING THESE IN HOTSPOTS HERE IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, THEN WE PROBABLY SEE A CHANGE. >> ONE THING, THE RIGHTS OF WAY IN CITIES ARE OWNED AND MANAGED BY THE CITY THEMSELVES, SO THE CITY CAN DECIDE TO PUT UP THOSE SIGNS. IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, THE ROADS ARE ALL BEAT OUT ROADS. >> IT'S 500, I BELIEVE IN THAT [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING] WON'T PUT UP A FINE MORE THAN 500 ON THE SIGN, IS THAT RIGHT? [NOISE] IT'S A NUMBER, I KNOW IT'S 250 OR 500. >> [OVERLAPPING] THEY WON'T MATCH THE LAW IN SOUTHAMPTON, AND IS CLEAR, JUST LIKE IT'S BEEN ALREADY EXPRESSED BY THE $2,500 HAS ALSO OCCURRED JAIL TERM. ALSO, I THINK THEY ALL WON'T PAY FOR THE SIGN, BUT THE QUESTION IS, WOULD [INAUDIBLE] ALIGN THE SIGNS THE WAY HE FUNDED THEM, AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. >> I MEAN, EVEN HE SAYS IT'S GOOD, TURN IT OUT WHAT I SEE AND OTHER STATES WHERE IT'S $5,000 AND THE SECOND TIME YOU STOP $5,000, YOU LOSE YOUR LICENSE FOR A YEAR. I MEAN, SO IF WE DON'T WON'T DO IT, I THINK THE COUNTY MAYBE PUTTING OUT A LITTLE MONEY FOR SOME EXERCISE OR SOMETHING. >> [OVERLAPPING] I GOT A QUESTION FOR MR. FULLER, MR. FULLER, YOU KEEP YOUR SEAT BY THE WAY. ACTUALLY, IF YOU'RE GOING TO WRITE A CITATION, SOMEONE LITERALLY DO YOU ASK TO GET TO SEE IT HAPPEN, CORRECT? VISIBLY. DO YOU HAVE TO RECORD IT? NO? I KNOW YOU'RE FULL TIME IN FLORIDA, HOW MANY CITATIONS YOU COULD WRITE IT IN A YEAR'S TIME FOR LITTERING? THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. I UNDERSTAND. [00:50:02] >> ONE THING THAT I'VE SEEN IS THAT THEY'LL DO AN ILLEGAL DUMP, AND THEY'LL FIND THEIR MAIL OR SOME LITERATURE WITH THEIR ADDRESS, AND THEN THE DEPUTIES GET A MAGISTRATE SUMMONS OR A WARRANT, AND THEN THEY SERVE IT ON THE PERSON. THAT'S WHERE I'VE SEEN IT IN THIS LOCALITY AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS. [OVERLAPPING] THAT'S MORE DUMPING OF TRASH. THE DUMP IS CLOSED SO THEY JUST DUMP IT WHEN THE GATE IS CLOSED. I KNOW THAT'S HAPPENED. >> I KNOW IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE I GREW UP AS A TEENAGER, IF THAT HAPPENED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, [NOISE] THERE WAS A GROUP OF [INAUDIBLE] WOULD PICK IT UP AND KNEW WHAT IT WAS AND GOBBLED UP IN THEIR YARD. [LAUGHTER] >> I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU ANOTHER EXAMPLE. IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED IN SPRING. I WALK A FARM OFF [INAUDIBLE] ROAD. NOBODY LIVES IN THE HOUSE ON THE FARM ANYMORE, THE LADY IS ON A HOME NOW. ANYWAY, SO IT'S NOBODY RESIDING ON THE PROPERTY. WHEN I WENT DOWN IN THE SPRING TO DO MY FIRST TILLAGE WORK, SOMEONE HAD BEEN TO THE BACK OF THE FARM, IT WAS TWO DIFFERENT VEHICLES, LIKE A PICKUP, I'D ASSUME OR A TRAILER, IS PROBABLY 30 CAR AND PICKUP TIRES AT THE EDGE OF THE FIELD. THERE'S ONE HERE AND ABOUT 50 YARDS UP THERE'S ANOTHER ONE. BECAUSE OVERREACH, SOMEONE KNEW NOBODY WAS IN THE HOUSE, I'M ASSUMING. I DON'T HAVE AN IDEA WHO DID IT, BUT IT HAPPENED SOMETIME IN THE WINTER MONTHS FROM LAST HARVEST SEASON. THINGS HAPPEN LIKE THAT. BUT IN THE SAME LIGHT, THE AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITY, WE HAVE A TIRE AMNESTY DAY EACH YEAR. WE COLLECT ALL OUR TIRES, SHREDDER TIRES, COMBINE TIRES, WAGON TIRES, WHATEVER, [NOISE] EVEN LAWN MOW TIRES. WE COLLECT THEM. IT LOOKS LIKE A DUMP DOG IN THE BACK ON MY LOTTED FARMSTEAD. BUT I'M COLLECTING THEM FOR TIRE AMNESTY DAY. I'LL PROBABLY COLLECT 50 TIRES IN. THEY TAKE THEM TO A RECYCLING TYPE PLANT SOMEWHERE. THIS YEAR IT WAS FOUR SEMI-TRUCK LOADS OF TIRES FROM THE AG COMMUNITY. >> YOU KNOW HOW MANY TIRES ARE BURIED IN THIS COUNTRY EVERY YEAR IN LANDFILLS? THREE HUNDRED AND THIRTY MILLION, ONE FOR EACH PERSON IN THIS COUNTRY. >> WOW. >> I THINK THAT'S THE AG COMMUNITY, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE EXPANDED MAYBE TO ANYONE. [OVERLAPPING] I CAN TELL SOME OF YOU-ALL THE WAY YOU'RE LOOKING LIKE, REALLY?. WELL, YEAH, THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR YEARS. I'VE THE FAIRGROUNDS. THAT'S QUITE A MEETING SITE, AND THE OTHER SITE IS UP YOUR WAY, RIGHT OFF FROM THE AIRPORT BECAUSE I HAD MISSED THE ONE IN THE CORNER AND WENT TO THAT ONE. THOSE TYPE OF AVENUES, WE NEED TO GET THAT OUT THERE TO THE PUBLIC. THE COURT DID FIND THAT THE PUBLIC CAN JOIN ON THAT TOO. >> WHEN MY KIDS WERE LITTLE, THERE WERE THE MACHINES AT THE GROCERY STORES THAT YOU COULD PUT YOUR CANS IN, ALUMINUM CANS, AND THEN CHANGE WOULD COME OUT TO RECYCLE THE CANS. MY KIDS THOUGHT THAT WAS BIG FUN BECAUSE YOU GET ENOUGH OUT TOGETHER 711 AND GET A SLURPEE [LAUGHTER] WITH THE CANS THAT YOU'D PUT IT INTO RECYCLE. I HAVEN'T SEEN ONE OF THOSE MACHINES IN YEARS, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE THEM ANYMORE. BUT THINGS LIKE THE TIRE AMNESTY DAY, THEY DO IT WITH PESTICIDE CONTAINERS [OVERLAPPING] FOR THE AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITY AS WELL. >> MAYBE WE COULD EXPAND ON THAT SOME TYPE OF WAY TO THE GENERAL REPUBLIC. THE EDUCATIONAL PART IS [NOISE] WE NEED TO NIP IN THE BUD BEFORE IT GETS SAT DOWN ON THE HIGHWAYS IN THE EDGE OF THE WOODS. TEST THEM. >> YES. I GUESS I'M READING THIS AND THOUGHTS THAT COME TO MY MIND IT'S PIGGYBACKING OFF FOR DR. EDWARDS IS ABOUT CONTACTING CLUBS. I LIKE THE IDEA OF DISCUSSING TOOLS THAT WE CAN PUT IT IN THE TOOLBOX, AND THE CLUBS IS ONE. THE ONE THAT WE'VE ALREADY IMPLEMENTED YEARS AGO IS THIS ADOPT A HIGHWAY. TO ME, I THINK RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE A PUSH TO COMMUNICATE TO THESE [INAUDIBLE] COMPANIES, PEOPLE, WHATEVER, TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO DO IT MORE OFTEN. NUMBER 3, THE BIGGEST THING, I GUESS OF MOST RECENT LITTER THAT I HAVE SEEN I THINK IS COMING FROM VEHICLES PUT IN THE BACK OF TRUCKS WHERE YOU PUT YOUR GARBAGE [NOISE] IN THE BACK OF YOUR TRUCK, YOU TAKEOFF TO THE DUMP. A BAG GETS BLOWN OUT AND IT GETS SPREAD BY ANIMALS OR OTHER VEHICLES. [00:55:08] EDUCATION STANDPOINT, AND IT MAY NOT BE WORTH $0.02, BUT YOU COULD PUT A BIG SIGN AS PEOPLE LEAVE THE DUMP TO SAY, AS YOU'RE ON YOUR WAY HOME, IF YOU SEE A BAG OF YOUR TRASH, PLEASE STOP AND PICK IT UP, BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE WON'T. ANYWAY, THAT'S JUST ANOTHER TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX. >> THINGS LIKE REQUIRING GROCERY STORES AND SO FORTH TO HAVE TRASH CANS IN THE PARKING LOT. I'VE SEEN MANY TIMES PEOPLE COME OUT OF THE GROCERY STORE WITH THEIR CANS OF SODA AND BEER AND THEIR BAGS OF ICE, AND THEY FILL UP THEIR COOLERS AND THERE IS NO TRASH CAN IN THE PARKING LOT, AND SO THEY LEAVE THE PACKAGING FOR THE DRINKS AND THEIR EMPTY ICE BAGS RIGHT THERE IN THE PARKING LOT BECAUSE THERE IS NO OTHER ALTERNATIVE FOR THEM EXCEPT TO WALK 200 FEET BACK TO THE STORE TO THROW IT AWAY WHERE THAT TRASH CAN MAY BE OVERFLOWING OR NON-EXISTENT. THAT'S THE THINGS THAT YOU KEEP TRACK, KEEP THINGS FROM TURNING INTO LITTER IN THE FIRST PLACE. >> MIS. LEWIS, YOUR THREE POINTS I REALLY LIKE, BUT I'M LOOKING AT LEADERSHIP BY EXAMPLE. I JUST WENT TO A LEADERSHIP CONFERENCE, AND THEY START OFF ASKING THE QUESTION, ARE YOU LEADING BY EXAMPLE? I'M REALLY CONCERNED WITH NUMBER 3, ENGAGE WAYS TO GET LITTER PICKED UP AND DEPOSITED CORRECTLY. IF WE DON'T DO THAT, WE DON'T EVEN GET TO THE PHILOSOPHICAL QUESTION. I REALLY THINK WE HAVE TO GET THE LITTER COMMITTEE HERE, WE NEED TO GET VDOT HERE, WE NEED TO GET THE SHERIFF, BECAUSE WE CAN ALL SIT HERE AND TALK PHILOSOPHICALLY ABOUT SOLAR PANELS, JUST FOR AN EXAMPLE. CERTAIN THINGS WE CAN DO AND CERTAIN THINGS WE CAN'T DO. WELL, AS IT COMES TO LITTER ENFORCEMENT, I'M NOT AN EXPERT. THE SHERIFF'S, HE'S PROBABLY WENT TO TRAINING, NOTICE SOME THINGS WHICH ARE PRACTICABLE UNDER HIS BUDGET, OR SOME IDEAS THAT HE HAS. VDOT'S PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE SOME IDEAS. THE LITTER COUNCIL IS GOING TO HAVE SOME IDEAS. I THINK WE NEED TO START THERE AND GET THEM TO MEET FIRST, STEP 1. >> GOT THAT JOSH, >> NO, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT SHERIFF, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE LITTER COUNCIL. >> WELL, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SHERIFF. >> [OVERLAPPING] THEN THE SHERIFF CAN GIVE HIS TAKE. BECAUSE I SEE IN SOME OF THE EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT, WELL, IT'S GREAT TO EDUCATE PEOPLE, BUT ON 58, WE GOT BAGS FLYING EVERYWHERE AND HARDY'S WRAPPERS GOING EVERYWHERE. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. YOU IDENTIFY THE PROBLEM AND THEN YOU TRY TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM. BUT IF WE CAN'T GET SEVERAL GROUPS, JUST PICK A [INAUDIBLE] CLUB OR A KEY CLUB OR WHATEVER TO COME AND HELP. YOU GOT A LOT OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS NOW THAT COVID IS STARTING TO DISSIPATE AND HOPEFULLY IT'S GONE, SOON. THERE'S A LOT OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WANT TO GET TOGETHER, BUT THERE'S NEVER THAT LEAD BY EXAMPLE. THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT WE JUST SAY THESE FOLLOWING GROUPS COME TO OUR MEETING, AND WE AS PLANNING COMMISSION, JUST NEED TO SAY, HEY, WE'VE GOT THIS PROBLEM, HOW DO YOU THINK THAT WE SOLVE IT, AND WE'D LIKE TO PUT TOGETHER A PLAN OF ACTION. WE SHOULD GET OUT OF OUR CHAIRS AND GO DOWN THERE AND PICK UP SOME TRASH ON STORY'S STATION ROAD OR WHEREVER, GOVERNOR DARDEN. YOU CAN NAME IN EVERY DISTRICT A HOT SPOT. WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE STUDY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT 2009, HOW FAST FOOD [OVERLAPPING] WRAPPERS WERE DISSIPATED BY 600 PERCENT. [NOISE] I DON'T KNOW WHO DID THAT STUDY, BUT I QUESTIONED IT QUITE A BIT. THERE'S FAST FOOD WRAPPERS EVERYWHERE, AND THERE'S PLASTIC, YOUR FOOD LION [OVERLAPPING] AND I'M NOT THROWING FOOD LION UNDER THE BUS, WHATEVER SHOPPING CENTER PLASTIC BAG THAT IS BLOWING AND IT DOESN'T DECOMPENSATE, SO IT'S THERE FOREVER, OR AT LEAST A LONG TIME. >> TO ELABORATE ON THE PLASTIC BAG, THAT'S A REAL ISSUE WITH THE FARM AND COMMUNITY, WITH THE PRODUCTION OF COTTON. THE COTTON PICKER, OF COURSE, HE KNOWS IT'S A SUCTION DEVICE INSIDE THE HEADER. THOSE PLASTIC BAGS IT SUCKS IT RIGHT ON OVER TO COTTON. [01:00:01] YOU CAN'T SELL IT. IF IT HAS PLASTIC CONTAMINATION, THE GIN WILL NOT GET IT OUT. MR. [INAUDIBLE], I'M SURE HIS FAMILY DOES THAT. WE HAD TO GO OUT AND PICK THESE, I SHOULDN'T SAY A WALMART BAG, BUT IT'S A LITTLE PLASTIC BAG WITH HANDLES, AND THEY'LL GET STUCK ON A COD STUFF IN THE YEAR BEFORE IN THIS HANGS RIGHT THERE ALL WENT ALONG, BUT YOU GOT TO GET OUT IT WON'T DETERIORATE. I DON'T HOW LONG A PLASTIC WILL LAST FOR YEARS BEFORE IT DECOMPOSES. BUT ANYWAY, I THINK ALL THE COMMENTS ARE FANTASTIC. >> [NOISE] I THINK WE START SOMEWHERE. WE START IN JULY AND ASK FOR THE BASIC CORE. THEN AFTER THE CORE GETS A PLAN OF ACTION WITH THE LITTER COUNCIL, WITH INPUT OF THE SHERIFF, WITH THE INPUT OF PLANNING COMMISSION, EVERYBODY NEEDS TO THROW WHAT THEY THINK WOULD BE OUR PLAN OF ACTION. THEN GO TO THE NEXT LEVEL, SAY THE NEXT MEETING OR TWO MONTHS [NOISE] DOWN THE ROAD, BRING SOME COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS IN. BUT I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LEADERSHIP GROUP. THEN I THINK PEOPLE WILL START TO CONTRIBUTE. THEY GOT TO MEET FIRST, AND THEN WE BRING ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS TOGETHER TO START SOME TYPE OF PLAN. THAT SHOULD BE OUR STEP 1. >> THE PLANNING COMMISSION NEEDS TO BE THE LEADERSHIP GROUP. THEN WE NEED TO SEND A NOTICE TO EVERY CLUB, ROTARY CLUB, WHATEVER, AND EVEN THE HUNT CLUBS. >> ANY ORGANIZATION. THERE'S NUMEROUS ONES OF THEM [INAUDIBLE]. >> EVERYBODY NOTICE, IF THEY WANT TO COME FINE. BUT I THINK YOU'LL SEE PRETTY GOOD ATTENDANCE. IN MOST AREAS WHAT I'VE CONFIGURED AND TALKING TO PEOPLE BACK WHERE I GREW UP IN ROCKINGHAM COUNTY THAT'S HOW THIS PROBLEM GOT SOLVED. THEY GOT THE CLUBS ORGANIZED, THEY GOT THE BALLPARK CLUB OVER HERE, THE ATHLETIC CLUB IN A LITTLE TOWN OF KINGSTON TOWN, GOES OUT ONCE A MONTH, TO TAKE THE KIDS OUT. PORT REPUBLIC THEY GO OUT ONCE A MONTH. THEY ALTERNATE MONTHS GOING OUT AND PUT IT DOWN, SO THEY PICKING UP STUFF. THAT REALLY WORKS OUT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO. THIS GET'S EVERYBODY INVOLVED. THEY DON'T WANT TO BE INVOLVED, FINE, DON'T COME TO ME. >> I THINK THE AWARENESS THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM. THAT'S THE SYNOPSIS OF WHAT I'M HEARING NOW, IS TO MAKE THE PUBLIC AWARE THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM. I KNOW YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, MR. TURNER, MAYBE WOULD THEN COME INTO LIKE, WELL, IF YOU ALL READ DERIVA KEEPERS ARTICLE IN THE LOCAL PAPER. HE HAS QUITE A FOLLOWING. HE HAS CERTAIN DAYS, WHAT HE CALLS, CLEANUP DAYS, AND PEOPLE GO OUT ON THE BOATS AND PICK UP, AND MIX UP AT CERTAIN POINTS OF INTERESTS ARE ALWAYS A LOT OF PROBLEM. BUT HIS LITTLE ARTICLE, IT BRINGS AWARENESS. I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT MUCH ISSUES ON THE ROLLER SHADES, WITH THE TRASH AND ALL, BUT I'M AWARE OF IT NOW, BECAUSE IT BRINGS TO MY ATTENTION. >> I'VE TALKED TO JEFF TODAY, INVITED HIM OUT, AND I DON'T THINK [OVERLAPPING] HE WILL MAKE IT TONIGHT. BUT HE SAYS THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS SAY PRETTY CLEAN. HE SAYS IT'S THE BLACK WATER, AND MOST OF THE TRASH COMES IN FROM THERE, IN TOWN HERE, APPROXIMATELY. [LAUGHTER] >> WHAT ABOUT A $500 LITTLE FEE, JUST LIKE THE SOLID WASTE SEA, OR JUST SPREAD THE RUMOR THAT YOU'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT UNLESS HE CLEANS UP. >> WELL, COULD WE INVITE THE LITTLE COUNSEL, AND WHO ELSE NOW ARE YOU SAYING? >> IDA. >> I WOULD SAY THE LITTLE COUNCIL OF IDA, A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. JOSH, DIDN'T ONE OF THE DEPUTIES START A LITTER CREW AS A DEPUTY? >> A SHERIFF OR HIS DESIGNEE MAYBE WOULD LIKE TO COME. [OVERLAPPING] >> JUST GIVE US SOME INPUT. >>YEAH. I WOULD SAY THE FIRST MEETING THERE TO DETERMINE THE PATH. I JUST REMEMBER SEEING IN THE SPEAK LIFE FOUNDATION, WITH THE HORNETS FOOTBALL. I REMEMBER SEEING THE TIDEWATER NEWS, THEY RECENTLY PICKED UP TRASH. GOOD FOR THEM. PROVIDING LEADERSHIP IN THE COMMUNITY. >> TWICE. >> I REMEMBER IT WAS VERY RECENTLY. IN MY HEAD I REMEMBER SEEING A PICTURE OF THEM, AND THE KIDS WERE HOLDING UP THE TRASH BAGS. >> CAN YOU GIVE THEM A RECOGNITION. [OVERLAPPING]. >> THEY'VE BEEN HONORED AND CERTIFIED. >> THEY DID. [OVERLAPPING] >> I JUST REMEMBER SEEING THAT IN THE NEWS, AND I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS GREAT. [OVERLAPPING] >> LAST MONTH. >> OH, I'M SORRY. >> I GOT [INAUDIBLE] [NOISE] STARTED IT. NOW IT PICKS UP THE TRASH. [01:05:06] >> I THINK WE SHOULD INVITE ONE OF THOSE REPRESENTATIVE SINCE THEY'VE DONE IT. THEY MAY HAVE SOME GOOD INPUT [NOISE]. >> THE LEADERSHIP IS WHAT HE'S AFTER FOR YOUNG KIDS. SOMEHOW MORNING AND AFTERNOON. [BACKGROUND] BUT THEY ARE THE ONES THAT DID WORK AT ARTISAN FOOD LINES. WE BROUGHT THEM IN AND RECOGNIZE FROM GABRIEL [OVERLAPPING]. BUT HE'S TEACHING THEM CIVICS ALONG WITH IT AND PARENTS COME OUT WITH. WE LIVE IN A WORLD TODAY WHERE NOBODY'S EMBARRASSED ANYMORE AND [OVERLAPPING] IN MY WORK-LIFE ADD IN THE MOUNTAINS. ONE DAY I ROUNDED THE CORNER. THAT WAS ABOUT SIX OR EIGHT PEOPLE IN STRIPE PROVEN SUIT, AND THEN PICKING UP TRASH. THEY WOULD IF [INAUDIBLE] AND THEY HAD PUT STRIPE JUMPSUIT ON. THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN CALLED FOR DAY, THEY PICKED UP TRASH. THE HOTSPOTS THAT DEFINITELY THEY CAN BE EASILY IDENTIFIED AND YOU WILL FIND THEM USUALLY AT PLACES WHERE PEOPLE WERE GOING TO WORK AND LEAVING WORK WITH THEM A COUPLE OF MILE RADIUS. GOOD HOTSPOT AND A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE DO NOT LIVE HERE. BUT BEFORE YOU GET WORK IN THE MORNING [INAUDIBLE]. >> YEAH, THE STUDY IN HERE, I DON'T BUY IT, I THINK BUT ANYWAY, WAY MORE LITTER NOW. BECAUSE I SEE PEOPLE THAT ARE BRAZEN JUST TO TAKE A BEER BOTTLE, THROW IT OUT THE DOOR, ABOUT HIT MY TRUCK. I'M SURE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE AREAS WHERE NOBODY CAN SEE LONG DISTANCES, THAT'S WHERE THE LITTER IS. THE PLACES WITH HIGH TRAFFIC, BUT THEY FEEL LIKE NOBODY'S WATCHING. >> MS. BAKER AND I WENT OUT AND PICKED UP TRASH ALONG SARANAC ROAD IN FRONT OF OUR OFFICE BUILDING, AND IT WAS DISHEARTENING IN A WEEK. >> AMEN. >> IT LOOKED AS BAD AS IT DID BEFORE. >> WOW. >> MS. LEWIS, YOU THINK WE CAN INVITE THOSE FEW GROUPS, MAYBE FIVE OR SIX GROUPS? >> YES. YOUR JULY MEETING WILL HAVE THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO DO IT AT YOUR JULY MEETING OR IF YOU WANT TO DO WITH THAT, YOUR AUGUST MEETING. THAT YOU WILL HAVE THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS NEXT. >> I THINK WE NEED TO DO IT AT THE JULY MEETING AND MAYBE PUT IT AT THE FRONT OF THE AGENDA TO GET THE FOLKS OUT OF HERE. BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT MORE THAN 30 MINUTES, BUT IT'LL GIVE PEOPLE A CHANCE BECAUSE THE SUMMER, ESPECIALLY IF THE KIDS WANT TO PARTICIPATE. >> TRUE. >> WE NEED TO GET SOME GOING AND THEY'LL HAVE THE MONTH OF AUGUST TO DO SOME PRODUCTIVITY. IF WE WAIT TILL AUGUST, THE SUMMERS THE KIDS ARE GOING BACK TO SCHOOL AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT KIDS ARE GOING TO DO IT ALL. WE SHOULD ALL CONTRIBUTE. [NOISE] LET'S GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY. >> YOU DID THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. >> I THINK WHEN YOU PUT IT LIKE ON A LINE ITEM AGENDA, I THINK IT'S THAT BIG OF AN ISSUE. >> WHAT THE AGENDA CAN START WITH THEY MIGHT KEEP ALLEGIANCE AND INVOCATION AND THEN GO TO THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES AND THEN MOVE NEW BUSINESS, HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AND THEN HAVE NEW BUSINESS AND THEN HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> THAT WAY THEY DON'T HAVE TO SIT WITH THE WHOLE MEETING, NOT THAT OUR MEETINGS ARE NOT VERY INTERESTING. >> WELL, THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS [OVERLAPPING] MAY TAKE A WHILE. >> THE LITTER CONTROL PEOPLE ARE HERE. THEY DON'T HAVE TO SIT THROUGH THE WHOLE MEETING. >> MAYBE MORE THAN THEY PERTAIN IN TIME. CAN YOU SAY? >> ONE OF THEM IS FOR A TURKEY SHOOTING FACILITY, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A TURKEY SHOOTING FACILITY. ONE IS PART OF MAC CREDITORS PROPERTY ON 671 NEXT TO THE DOMINION POWER FACILITY TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO PERMIT A 350,000 BUSHEL PEANUT DRYING FACILITY AND ONE IS FOR THE LITTLE STORE IN SYDNEY, SO THAT CAN BE REPAIRED AND REOPENED AS AN AUTO REPAIR FACILITY. IT HAS RESIDENTIAL ZONING. >> NO CONTROVERSIAL TOPICS. >> WE'LL PUT IT IN AS A LINE ITEM, BUT LET'S TRY TO PULL IT. [01:10:01] >> MAKE IT CONCISE. [OVERLAPPING] >> DISCREET ABOUT YOUR TIME LIMIT BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE FAIR TO JUST PAUSE. >> AS A LINE ITEM IT'S GOING TO BE OUR TIME IN THE PAPER. >> WE DON'T KNOW. ONLY THE PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE ADVERTISED IN THE PAPER. >> CAN WE PUT IN THE PAPER THOUGH? >> WE COULD DO A PRESS RELEASE TO THE NEWSPAPER ASKING THEM TO DO A LITTLE ARTICLE BUT WE WOULDN'T PUT IT IN THE LEGAL AD. >> ALL RIGHT. >> LOOKS LIKE IF [OVERLAPPING] SOMEBODY WRITE SOMETHING FOR THE LETTER TO THE EDITOR. >>YES. >> I'LL CALL TITUS MOLAR HE'S ON VACATION. I'LL CALL HIM NEXT WEEK AND SEE WHAT HE THINKS ABOUT THAT. >> OKAY. >> SO YOUR DOCUMENT MENTIONED THE LETTER CONTROL SHERIFF'S OFFICE, WE'VE ADDED VDOT, AND ANYBODY ELSE? >> THEY'RE THE BIG SURPRISE STAKEHOLDERS, IT START LIKE JACK SAID WITH A SMALL GROUP AND BUILD FROM THERE. >> EXPANDED THEM. I ADDED VDOT FOR THE LITTER COUNCIL AS MY WIFE'S HOME LITTER COUNCIL, AND I KNEW THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO GET IN CONTACT WITH VDOT ABOUT, WHAT ARE THEY CALL? THE TURNAROUND. >> ROUNDABOUT? >> ROUNDABOUTS. THE ROUNDABOUTS ABOUT PUTTING SOME BEAUTIFICATION IN THERE. THEN COVID HIT AND IT JUST WENT TO NOTHING. [OVERLAPPING] THAT'S JUST ONE THING AND THEY HAD TO GET AUTHORITY THROUGH VDOT TO DO THAT AND IF THEY PROVIDE THE FUNDING LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO IF YOU CONTRIBUTE MONEY. I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS SOMETHING THEY CAME UP WITH THAT IDEA, WOULD HAVE REALLY MADE THAT AREA, ESPECIALLY IN FRONT OF THE COURTLAND END, [LAUGHTER] IT DOESN'T LOOK VERY GOOD. >> THE OTHER END DOESN'T LOOK GOOD EITHER. I'M SURPRISED WHEN [OVERLAPPING] WE DRIVE OVER AND THAT OVERPASS, IT GOES OVER 58 AFTER YOU GO THROUGH THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE IN FRONT OF COURTLAND END YOU GO OVER THE OVERPASS AND RIGHT THERE AT THE END IS ALMOST TRASH. >>THEY WERE GOING TO PUT UP A SIGN ABOUT LITTERING THERE SO IT'D BE PROHIBITED. THAT GOES FOR THE EDUCATION PIECE. I KNOW THAT WAS IN THE WORKS, SO HOPEFULLY, THEY CAN RE-ENERGIZE THAT AND MAYBE GET SOMETHING ON. >>WHO IN THE COUNTY HAD HEADED THAT ADOPT-A-HIGHWAY PROGRAM OR WAS THERE ANYBODY? [OVERLAPPING] >> THAT'S VDOT. >>THAT'S ALL VDOT. >> THAT'S ALL VDOT. >> SOME OF THEM ARE DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB KEEPING IT CLEAN. >> TO SOME EXTENT THEY HAVEN'T DONE A GOOD JOB. BECAUSE THEY'RE PEOPLE LISTED ON SIGNS THAT HAVE BEEN DEAD FOR YEARS. >> SOUNDS VERY EXPENSIVE TOO. >> MY ROAD THE ONE THAT I'M THINKING OF THE YOUNG MAN HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB CABLE IS A TERRIBLE ROAD. HE DOES IT FOUR OR FIVE TIMES A YEAR. HE'S WORKS THE ROAD. TO THINK ABOUT IT MY ROAD FOR MY HOUSE TO THE DAM. THAT'S WHY IT WAS SO BAD, NOT SAYING I WAS CONTRIBUTING TO IT. BUT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU ONE THING, HE REALLY CLEANED IT UP. IT LOOKS GOOD NOW. HIS FACE HAS BEEN THERE FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW. TIME WILL WEAR YOU DOWN, BUT RIGHT NOW HE'S ENERGETIC AND DONE A GREAT JOB ON THAT PICKED ROAD. ANYTHING ELSE ON LITTER? I HAVE NUMBER 6. ANY OTHER NEW BUSINESS? THE BZA MATTERS? >>NOPE. >> ANYTHING ELSE TO COME FORWARD, BEFORE WE ADJOURN? YES, SIR. COME ON UP MR. HEART. >> [INAUDIBLE] THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. >> ONCE YOU COME ON UP AND ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT ON THAT, SIR. THIS IS A SOLE EXPANSION, EDUCATIONAL TYPE, EDUCATORS SCHOOL, CORRECT? >>YES. WILLIAM DULET FROM CAPRON ON OLD BILL FIELD ROAD. I GOT A CALL FROM, OH MY GOSH, I CAN'T REMEMBER. >> MS. FRANCIS. >> JIMMY [INAUDIBLE] FIRST COUSIN [INAUDIBLE] BARTHOLOMEW. SOME OF YOU KNOW IT. DOMINION HAS A GRANT. IT'S EDUCATIONAL GRANT FOR A SMALL SOLAR ROOFTOP PROJECT FOR ELEMENTARY CHILDREN. HE HAD BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THE PRINCIPAL, MS. FRANCIS, ABOUT THAT AND THE USE OF CAPRON ELEMENTARY FOR THIS PROJECT FOR THE STUDENTS. IT'S A SMALL-SCALE PROJECT THAT THEY WANT TO GET GOING PRETTY QUICK. I CALLED MR. DRAKE [NOISE] TO GIVE HIM THE INFORMATION. [01:15:04] I TOLD MR. BARTHOLOMEW, THAT I WAS GOING TO CONTACT PLANNING COMMISSION TO SEE WHAT THEY SAID ABOUT ESSENTIALLY WE HAD THIS ORDINANCE IN EFFECT. I CALLED HIM BACK, I DISCUSSED WITH YOU THE NEXT DAY AND TOLD HIM THAT IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A DECISION OR IT WOULD BE ENTERTAINED TONIGHT, AND THEN IF IT HAD TO MOVE TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, WE'D ADDRESS THE ISSUES OF 28TH OF JUNE. IT APPEARS TO BE A GOOD PROJECT, SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD HERE WAS TRYING TO STEER IN THE DIRECTION OF USING ROOFTOPS, BROWN AREAS, AND THAT SORT OF THING FOR SOLAR. THIS WOULD BE A SMALL PROJECT THAT THE CHILDREN WOULD KEEP UP WITH THE DATA, AND THEY'D LEARN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE INDUSTRY AND WHERE IT WOULD TAKE THEM MOVING FORWARD EVEN IN THEIR EDUCATIONAL CAREER. >> THAT WOULD BE AN EXEMPT PROJECT FROM THE ORDINANCE. [OVERLAPPING] >> IT'S NOT TO THE SCALE. >>IT'S ACCESSORY TO THE SCHOOL. >> IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO COME HERE. >> NO. BECAUSE THE POWER GENERATED WOULD BE USED BY THE SCHOOL. THE POWER GENERATED IT'S NOT GOING TO GENERATE ENOUGH POWER TO GO INTO THE LINES TO SERVE ANYONE ELSE. >> NO. >> OUR OPINION IS JUST LIKE THE PEOPLE WHO PUT SOLAR FACILITIES AT THEIR HOME. IT'S JUST LIKE YOUR AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM FOR YOUR HOME. IT JUST SERVES THAT SCHOOL, AND SO IT'S EXEMPT FROM THE ORDINANCE AT ALL. >> I TAKE IT THAT WOULD BE A YES, YOU CAN PROCEED. >> YES. >> [OVERLAPPING] I DON'T THINK IT TAKES AN ACTION. >> RIGHT. >> OKAY. >> YEAH. >>THANK YOU. >>ANYTHING ELSE? >>JUST SOMETHING TO SHARE BECAUSE I'VE HEARD TWO COMMENTS, AND I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE PLACES I SERVED. BUT WHEN PANELS ARE PUT ON A HOUSE, SO PUT ON A BUILDING. IF THAT HOUSE GENERATES MORE ELECTRICITY THAN IT'S USING, IT CAN GO BACK TO THE UTILITY, AND THE UTILITY, ONE OF THE CONTROVERSIAL THINGS IS, HOW DOES A UTILITY PRICE THAT ELECTRICITY THAT IT GETS FROM THE HOMEOWNER? IT DOES THAT BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT TO GET PAID EXACTLY THE SAME DOLLARS FOR EACH KILOWATT IS WHAT THE ELECTRIC COMPANY PAYS FOR. BUT THE ELECTRIC COMPANY IS SERVICING THE TRANSMISSION LINES AND THE POLES AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS. THERE'S A BUILT-IN COST AND THE KILOWATT COST. THE TERM YOU'LL HEAR IN THE COMING YEARS IS CALLED NET METERING. >>IN THAT CASE, JUST LIKE PERHAPS AT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL OR AT HOME, THE PRINCIPAL USE OF THAT PROPERTY IS A SCHOOL OR A HOME. A UTILITY-SCALE SOLAR FACILITY THE PRINCIPLE USE IS THE [NOISE] UTILITY-SCALE SOLAR. THAT IS AN ACCESSORY USE AND YES, PERHAPS IT GENERATES MORE POWER THAN THE HOME USERS, BUT THE PRINCIPLE USE OF THAT PROPERTY IS STILL A RESIDENTIAL USE. >> [NOISE] OKAY. YOUR QUESTION? DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? >> I WAS JUST SHARING. >> [OVERLAPPING] BUT YOU'RE RIGHT THE CO-OP IS CERTAINLY LOOKING AT THAT. >> THEY'VE BEEN A COUPLE OF STATEMENTS THAT IT WAS SAYING ALL OF IT STAYS WHERE IT'S GENERATED. >> I'M NOT REALLY SURE. CORRECT. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? DO I HEAR A MOTION TO ADJOURN? >> MOTION WE ADJOURN. >> HAVE A PROPER MOTION TO ADJOURN. >> WE HAVE SECOND? >> SECOND. >>ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. [OVERLAPPING] >> HAVE A SAFE TRIP HOME. [NOISE]. >> Y'ALL SURPRISE ME. >> THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.