[I. CALL TO ORDER/VOLUNTARY AGRICULTURE AND FORESTAL DISTRICT ADVISORY COMMITTEE]
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I'D LIKE TO WELCOME EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU HERE TONIGHT.
AGAIN TONIGHT AS A COUPLE OF MEETINGS BACK BEFORE I OPENED A MEETING FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE NEED TO HAVE A SHORT MEETING OF THE VOLUNTEER AGRICULTURE AND FORESTRY DISTRICT ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WHICH IS THE SAME GROUP THAT YOU SEE HERE ON THE PANEL TONIGHT.
I MET HIM FOR THE FIRST TIME TONIGHT.
AND SO WE WELCOME YOU TO OUR PANEL.
LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS AND YOUR SERVICE.
THANK YOU. THAT BEING SAID, I'M GOING TO EXCUSE MYSELF BEING THAT I HAVE A BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP WITH THE APPLICANT TONIGHT, MR. RANDALL AND I HAVE A CONFLICT ALSO BECAUSE A MEMBER OF MY FIRM IS DOING THE APPLICATION.
SO OUT OF COURTESY WE'RE GOING TO EXCUSE OURSELVES AND I'M GOING TO LET MR. EDWARDS, IF HE'LL CALL, GO AHEAD AND PROCEED WITH THE MEETING AND I'LL COME BACK AND OPEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AT THAT TIME.
ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO EXCUSE OURSELVES.
MS. LEWIS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE US A FEW INTRODUCTORY REMARKS ABOUT THAT? YES, THANK YOU.
THIS REQUEST IS FOR A PORTION OF TAX PARCEL 103-14C, IT'S ON MARY HUNT ROAD.
THE TOTAL ACREAGE OF THE PARCEL IS 119 ACRES, 119.54 ACRES.
THIS REQUEST IS TO ONLY REMOVE 5.51 ACRES FROM THE REQUEST.
THEY'VE DONE A SURVEY THAT SHOWS THE 5.51 ACRES WHERE THE PROPOSED INN WOULD BE LOCATED AND THE REST WOULD STAY IN THE AGRICULTURE, FORESTRY, OPEN SPACE AND RURAL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
THEY PROVIDED A SURVEY IN YOUR SECTION, YOUR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT SECTION, YOU HAVE SOME DRAFT PLANS FOR THE BUILDING ITSELF THAT SHOWS THE INTERIOR ROOMS AND SO FORTH.
SO THIS IS A REQUEST THAT HAS BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY AMENDED SINCE YOU SAW IT TWO MONTHS AGO.
AND THEY ARE ASKING FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS A REMINDER THIS IS A COUNTRY INN THAT WOULD SERVE WOUNDED SERVICE MEMBERS AND FIRST RESPONDERS.
AND THIS IS 11 ROOMS, 11 SLEEPING ROOMS, AS YOU SAW IN THE PLAN THAT THEY SUBMITTED.
I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THEY ARE HERE AS WELL.
THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? POINT OUT THIS IS A REVISED VERSION, ONE THAT WAS PRESENTED TWO MONTHS AGO.
YES, THE ONE THAT WAS PRESENTED BEFORE WAS 119 ACRES AND THIS IS 5.51 ACRES.
DOES EVERYONE HAVE A COPY OF THE SURVEY? YES. YOU CAN HAVE THE FLOOR IF YOU LIKE IT, SIR.
YES, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SO, BASED OFF OF THE INPUT, THAT I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE FROM THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
AT OUR MEETING TWO MONTHS AGO, WE DID REVIEW AND DETERMINED THAT IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL BOTH TO AND FOR HEROES IN THE COUNTY TO ONLY ACCEPT THE 5.510 ACRES THAT IS GOING TO BENEFIT THE ORGANIZATION.
OBVIOUSLY, IT'S GOING TO BENEFIT THE COUNTY STILL BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE INCREASED TAX REVENUE FROM THOSE [INAUDIBLE] COMING OUT. OBVIOUSLY, TO TOUCH ON THE MAIN POINTS OF HOW I THINK THIS WILL BENEFIT THE COUNTY.
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THEY'RE GOING TO BE FREQUENTING RESTAURANTS AND STORES, HOTELS IN THE COUNTY.IT IS GOING TO BE POSITIVE PUBLICITY FOR THE COUNTY.
I NOTED IN THE STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES SECTION THE CONCERN AS IT RELATES TO FUNDRAISING EVENTS.
THIS IS NOT A LOCATION THAT WE ANTICIPATE USING FOR ANY MEANINGFULLY SIZED FUNDRAISING EVENTS.
THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE OFFSITE.
THIS IS GOING TO BE JUST FOR THE FIRST RESPONDERS TO GO AND USE THE LODGE AS A RETREAT, AS A BASE FOR THE NATURE WALKS AND FISHING AND HUNTING. AND SO IT'S REALLY IT'S BARELY EVEN GOING TO BE VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE SURVEYS, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE TREE LINE IS RIGHT BEHIND THE BUILDING [INAUDIBLE] EVERYTHING IS GOING BEHIND THE BUILDING LINE.
DOESN'T HAVE THOSE. LET ME KNOW.
UM, AND JUST AS AN OFF NOTE, YOU MIGHT FIND THIS INTERESTING.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF Y'ALL WATCH THE DERBY, BUT OUR MAIN FINANCIAL BACKER, RICK DAWSON, HIS HORSE WON [INAUDIBLE] . WHAT QUESTIONS DO YOU ALL HAVE BASED OFF OF THE AMENDED APPLICATION? I HAVE ONE IF I COULD START.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE TAX BENEFITS OF A 501C3? WELL, THE PROPERTY TAX IS STILL GOING TO BE PAID, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, AND IT'S GOING TO BE AN INCREASED PROPERTY TAX.
SINCE WE'RE PULLING IT OUT OF THE FOURTH DISTRICT.
SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE APPLIED TO THE ENTIRE 114 ACRES.
SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN ENORMOUS WINDFALL, BUT IT WILL BE A POSITIVE TAX BENEFIT.
SEE HERE THIS IS FOR INVITATION ONLY? YES. WHO SETS UP THE INVITATION? DOES IT ROTATE AMONG THE THE FOLKS THAT THE WOUNDED WARRIORS, FIRST RESPONDERS? SO IT'S IT'S NOT GOING TO BE JUST FIRST RESPONDERS AT ONE TIME [INAUDIBLE] IT'S GOING TO BE A COLLECTION OF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, BE REACHING OUT TO OTHER CHARITIES TO START MOMENTUM OF TRYING TO FIND WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME OUT.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE'LL HAVE APPLICANTS [INAUDIBLE].
SO YOU SCREEN THOSE AT THAT TIME? THE BOARD MEMBERS OF THE CHARITY WILL BE HANDLING THE SCREENING.
SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE HAVING PEOPLE WHO DON'T QUALIFY AS WOUNDED VETERANS, WOUNDED FIRST RESPONDERS SNEAKING THEIR WAY IN.
THERE WILL BE THEY'RE GOING TO BE CONFIRMING THEIR STATUS.
AND ALSO SEE THE TWO ACRE POND.
YES. IS THAT A WOULD THAT HAVE TO BE ANOTHER TAKE THAT OUT OF THE AGFOREST DISTRICT AS WELL.
YEAH, BECAUSE THAT IS AN OPEN SPACE USE.
YOU MENTIONED DOWNTIME IN HERE, THREE MONTHS, JUNE, JULY AND AUGUST.
SO OBVIOUSLY THE MAIN, OFF SEASON IT SAYS.
RIGHT. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? NOT DURING THE HUNTING SEASON.
SO WE DON'T ANTICIPATE AS MUCH USE DURING THE SUMMER.
THAT'LL ALLOW FOR RESTORATION OF FACILITIES.
MANY WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO KEEP UP THE AND KEEP UP THE COUNTRY.
AND OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT TO BE WORKING ON THEM AND DOING ANY UPKEEP WHILE WE HAVE GUESTS.
I JUST THOUGHT IN PICKING A LITTLE BIT SWIMMING POOL[INAUDIBLE] SWIMMING POOL.
I CAN TELL YOU THE INITIAL POINT IS NOT TO HAVE A SWIMMING POOL.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS FORESEEN POTENTIALLY IN THE FUTURE.
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IT'S KIND OF I GUESS IT'S NOT [INAUDIBLE].LADIES, GENTLEMEN, DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS? YOU ALL SEEM SO QUIET.
I HAVE ONE QUESTION. IF YOU GET APPROVAL TONIGHT, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE FOR COMPLETION TO WHERE YOU WOULD BE OPEN FOR BUSINESS? SO FIRST THINGS WE HAVE TO DO IS START [INAUDIBLE] 30 TO 90 DAYS.
[INAUDIBLE] WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET THE DRIVEWAY IN THIS SEASON.
THERE ARE SOME CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE TO FORMALLY FACILITATE FOR CONSTRUCTION.
BUT WE PLAN TO HOLD A GET UNDERWAY RIGHT AFTER [INAUDIBLE] START.
MS. LEWIS DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE FOUR STIPULATIONS THAT HAVE TO BE MET, OR COULD YOU READ THEM? I KNOW WE HAVE THEM SOMEWHERE. YES.
THEY'RE ON THE SECOND PAGE OF THE STAFF REPORT.
NUMBER TWO IS THE PROPOSED NEW LAND USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
NUMBER THREE IS THE PROPOSED LAND USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PUBLIC INTEREST OF THE COUNTY AND THAT IT PROMOTES THE HEALTH, SAFETY OR GENERAL WELFARE OF THE COUNTY RATHER THAN ONLY THE PROPRIETARY INTERESTS OF THE OWNER.
AND THERE HAS BEEN A CHANGE IN CIRCUMSTANCES SINCE THAT TIME.
THANK YOU. YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE UNDER APPLICANT STATEMENT.
YOU'RE STILL MENTIONING THE FACT OF DISABLED VETERANS AND FIRST RESPONDERS.
TO BE CLEAR, IT'S TO BENEFIT FIRST RESPONDERS, DISABLED FIRST RESPONDERS, ETC..
THERE'S A SCREENING PROCESS TO ENSURE THAT, YES, OUR DISABLED VETERANS [INAUDIBLE].
THIS IS CHARITY IS [INAUDIBLE] TO BENEFIT THAT GROUP.
WELL HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, SIR. YOU HELD THE PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR THESE REQUESTS AT YOUR MEETING IN MARCH. SO UNLESS YOU WANT TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU'VE ALREADY OPENED AND CLOSED YOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS.
I MEAN, IF THE BOARD WANTS TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT, THAT'S OUR DISCRETION.
WE CAN DO THAT. WHAT DO YOU FEEL? DOES THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT? BADVISORY COMMITTEE CERTAINLY CAN.
IS THAT OKAY? BECAUSE THAT'S ALL WE'RE DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE DEALING WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION TO OURSELVES, SO TO SPEAK.
I GUESS EVERYBODY SAYS, OKAY, IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC COMMENT WANT TO BE MADE NOW, THAT WOULD BE FINE.
I'VE BEEN FRIENDS WITH THE JAMES FAMILY FOR QUITE A WHILE.
AND I GOT INTO LIKE PTSD AND TBI, YOU KNOW, THE DARKNESS OF IT AND THE PLACES THAT WE GO, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE FEEL LIKE WE DON'T HAVE MUCH TO DO OR MUCH TO LIVE FOR AFTER WE COME BACK AND STUFF.
AND I WENT TO A COUPLE OF NONPROFITS THAT HAD RETREATS, AND IT ACTUALLY REALLY HELPED TO.
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IT REALLY HELPS. LIKE BRING ME BACK TO SEE MY NEW NORMAL.I STILL HAVE A PURPOSE TO LIVE.
DONE A LOT OF RETREATS. AND THEN I ENDED UP MEETING WITH JAMES AND LISTENED TO HIS MUSIC AND EVERYTHING, AND HE TOLD ME ABOUT THE IDEA OF HIM HAVING A RETREAT AND A LODGE TO BUILD FOR WOUNDED WARRIORS AND FIRST RESPONDERS.
AND I'VE BEEN TO A LOT OF THEM.
I'VE SEEN A LOT OF THEM WHERE PEOPLE START THESE THINGS JUST TO GET THEIR NAME OUT THERE AND YOU KNOW, BUT I'VE ALSO SEEN ONES THAT ACTUALLY DO GO OUT THERE AND REALLY HELP [INAUDIBLE] CONCERTS, THE OTHER RETREATS TO SEE HOW THEY DO IT AND THE HARD PASSION THAT THEY HAVE [INAUDIBLE] BE A REALITY.
IT'S A REAL THING. AND I'M SORRY.
I'M JUST NERVOUS BEING UP HERE.
THANK YOU, GUYS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMAN? THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, SIR.
JIM MARTINWANT TO AND YOU DO IT RIGHT NOW.
YOU DO IT WHEN WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING TOO, YOU'RE ALREADY HERE.
THERE'S A FEW THINGS I'VE LEARNED IN LIFE NOT TO SAY.
I DO NOT KNOW HOW [INAUDIBLE] I'VE BEEN AROUND PEOPLE LIKE MIKE WHO ARE VETERANS WHO SERVED OUR COUNTRY WHO WE'RE LUCKY ENOUGH TO SURVIVE AND TELL THE STORY.
I'VE BEEN WITH HIM ON HIS BIRTHDAY.
THEY CALL THAT AN ANNIVERSARY OF WHEN THE INCIDENT HAPPENED, WHEN YOU WERE ABOUT DIED.
IT WAS A TOUGH DAY. BECAUSE YOU'RE RELIVING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU WENT THROUGH MIC]. HE WAS TALKING HE WAS REMEMBERING WHAT HE WENT THROUGH ON D-DAY.
I CAN'T TELL YOU. I CAN'T EVEN DESCRIBE [INAUDIBLE].
A FUNDRAISING EVENT HAD ABOUT 650 PEOPLE IN AN AUDITORIUM.
AND A YOUNG MAN BY THE NAME OF CHRISTIAN BROWN.
YOU DON'T KNOW HIM. BUT HE ALL BUT GAVE HIS LIFE FOR US.
HE HAS [INAUDIBLE] I LOOKED AROUND AND EVERYBODY WAS CRYING.
[INAUDIBLE] WE SHOULD DO IT. IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF PROPERTY OUT OF TAX BASE.
[INAUDIBLE] I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING THAT'S ANY STRONGER THAN BENEFITING OUR VETERANS AND OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AS OUR FIREMEN RIGHT NOW.
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PTSD FOR POLICE AND FIREMEN IS JUST AS BAD, IF NOT WORSE, THAN SOME OF THE SOME OF THE EXPERIENCES THAT VETERANS GO THROUGH.I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW THIS IS GOING TO WORK OUT, BUT I HAVE BEEN TO SOUTH DAKOTA.
[INAUDIBLE] BUT IT WAS A VENUE.
AND I'M NOT A HUNTER. I'M ONE OF THE FEW PEOPLE WHO'VE [INAUDIBLE] I HAD THE BENEFIT OF DRIVING OUT THERE.
[INAUDIBLE] IT WAS A TWO DAY EVENT.
AND THEY BROUGHT IN PEOPLE, TRAINING PEOPLE, AND ALL THESE GUYS WENT ALL THE WAY BACK TO VIETNAM.
PEOPLE HAVE NOBODY FROM WORLD WAR TWO, AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY FROM KOREA.
BUT THERE'S A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THERE FROM VIETNAM.
HE'D BEEN IN THE WHEELCHAIR SINCE VIETNAM.
[INAUDIBLE] BUT 50 YEARS HE'S BEEN IN A WHEELCHAIR.
NOW SIT DOWN. LISTEN TO HIM IN THREE OR FOUR OF HIS GUYS TALKING ABOUT HIS INCIDENT.
THEY HAD A DISPLAY OF GUNS AS AN SK5 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
[INAUDIBLE] HE WAS COLORFUL IN HIS LANGUAGE, LAUGHING AND CARRYING ON.
THAT'S WHAT THE WHOLE PURPOSE IS, WAS TO BRING THESE OTHER GUYS TOGETHER.
[INAUDIBLE] AND I KNOW YOU REALLY ENJOYED COMING AT YOU AND BRUCE AND ALL THE GUYS AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING.[INAUDIBLE] HE SAID, SON.
AND I DIDN'T TAKE IT AND PUT THAT ON UNTIL A LITTLE BIT LATER ON OR SOMETHING.
HE DIDN'T [INUDIBLE] THAT DAY A LITTLE BIT AND WAS A LITTLE BIT COOL.
HE WAS DOING THAT IN A WHEELCHAIR, BUT HE WAS AMONG FRIENDS AND PEOPLE THAT UNDERSTOOD THE EVENTS OF WHAT HE WENT THROUGH AND THEY LAUGHED ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE DOING IN VIETNAM AND HOW IT HAPPENED AND HOW HE GOT SHOT AND ALL THIS KIND OF THING.
I WAS ABLE TO HEAR IT. I WAS VERY PRIVILEGED.
YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, ONE OF THOSE.
MY SON'S A FIREMAN. HE'S A VOLUNTEER WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
HE'S ALSO WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
AND I'M SURE HE CAN SEE SOME THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE FRIGHTENING.
I'M LUCKY TO BE BORN IN [INAUDIBLE] USA.
AND YOU GUYS HAVE TO HELP ME ON A DAILY BASIS.
AND IF WE CAN DO IT, I'M JUST IN FAVOR OF IT.
I VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MR. HART. ANYBODY ELSE.
[INAUDIBLE] I WENT TO SEE A SPECIALIST IN VIRGINIA BEACH.
THEY TOLD ME THAT I'VE LOST [INAUDIBLE] PERCENT OF MY LUNG CAPACITY.
AND I THINK I LOST 60% OF INTELLIGENCE.
[INAUDIBLE] IT'S RIDICULOUS. [INAUDIBLE]
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THEY COME UP WITH A PLAN.[INAUDIBLE] FOLLOW THIS DOT [INAUDIBLE] THE ELECTRIC COMPANY.
[INAUDIBLE] APPROVAL. WITH NO LIMITATIONS.
[INAUDIBLE] WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
[INAUDIBLE] ANYBODY ELSE? MAY I CLARIFY THAT THIS 5.51 ACRES IS TO BE USED FOR THE INN ITSELF AND THE PARKING THAT THE INN WILL REQUIRE OUTSIDE ACTIVITIES LIKE HUNTING AND ARCHERY AND CAMPFIRES AND HIKING, ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS ARE PERMITTED IN A VOLUNTARY AGRICULTURE AND FORESTOR DISTRICT.
MY QUESTION IS, YOU CAN'T HUNT THE 120 ACRES.
SO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? WELL, I BELIEVE THAT MR. DANIEL SAYS THAT THEY WILL THIS WILL BE A HOME BASE.
THAT'S RIGHT. IT WILL BE USED AS A BASE FOR HUNTING IN THE AREA ITSELF.
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COUNTY AND SURROUNDING COUNTIES, [INAUDIBLE] PROPERTIES AVAILABLE.THAT'S WHERE I ANTICIPATE [INAUDIBLE] HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE.
[INAUDIBLE] WITH THIS CHARITY [INAUDIBLE] SO IT'S REALLY NICE TO HAVE THAT IN ADDITION TO THE CORPORATE BACKERS AND OF COURSE, THE GRASSROOTS SUPPORTERS.
I WOULD LIKE TO EMPHASIZE THAT THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT RESTRICTIONS BEING PLACED ON THE PROPERTY.
THE SWIMMING POOL IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS I THINK THAT WAS PUT IN THERE AND IN THE EARLY STAGES[INAUDIBLE] AND THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WHERE WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT SOME RICH GUY COMING [INAUDIBLE].
THIS IS A VERY NARROW APPLICATION.
SO AS FAR AS THE HUNTING LANDS GO, YOU'VE GOT TO RELY ON THE HUNT CLUBS IN THE COUNTY.
IS THAT RIGHT? I MEAN, HAVE YOU MADE OVERTURES TO THESE CLUBS? YOU HAVE PLANS BEFORE YOU BEFORE YOU COME IN? YES. [INAUDIBLE] AND I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE MORE THAN WILLING TO HELP OUT.
OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IS LAND FOR HEROES ARE THEY RUNNING A FACILITY LIKE THAT? AND DO THEY HAVE ONE THAT THEY, THIS IS GOING TO BE THE FIRST FACILITY.
NOW, SO WE, THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. JAMES, HAVE TRAVELED AROUND THE COUNTRY LOOKING AT OTHER SITES, HAVE HAVE ALREADY EXTENSIVELY WORKED WITH OTHER VETERANS CHARITIES.
WE'LL BE LOOKING TO THEIR EXPERIENCE.
THEIR INPUT IN ORDER TO LEARN HOW TO PROPERLY RUN THIS.
BUT EVERY CHARITY HAS TO START SOMEWHERE.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMAN? THANK YOU, SIR. ANYBODY ELSE? ANYBODY ON THE COMMITTEE HAVE ANY COMMENTS.
[INAUDIBLE] ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS? YOU KEEP LOOKING AT ME I GUESS I DO.
AND I'M. I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT MR. DANIELS ENDED UP WITH EVERY CHARITY AND HAS TO START SOMEWHERE.
AND THIS IS A THIS IS A GREAT IDEA.
AND I MENTIONED THIS AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF DOING THIS AT THE [INAUDIBLE].
THEY'VE GOT ALL THE ENTITIES THEY NEED FOR THIS TYPE OF SITUATION.
NOW, GRANTED, THIS IS THEY CALL THIS A HOME BASE.
SO YOU CAN HAVE THE [INAUDIBLE] AS A HOME BASE AND STILL DRIVE TO YOUR HUNTING LOCATIONS, BUT IT GETS YOU IN THE CRAWLING MODE AND SEE HOW TO SEE IF THIS GROUP CAN MANAGE THE TYPE OF OPERATION LIKE THIS.
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IT'S ONE THING TO DRIVE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND SEE WHERE OTHER LOCATIONS AND HOW THEY'RE RUNNING IT.BUT WHEN YOU START UP A BUSINESS AND YOU GO FROM 0 TO 100 MILES AN HOUR, WE MAKE DECISIONS TODAY THAT'S GOING TO STICK WITH THIS LAND.
AND I CAN'T HELP BUT REMEMBER WHAT PETE BARAM SAYS.
YOU KNOW, ONCE WE MAKE THAT DECISION, IT GOES WITH THE LAND, NOT THE PEOPLE WHOSE GOOD INTENT.
AND I'VE SEEN A LOT OF PRESENTATIONS COME BEFORE US.
THEY MADE A GREAT PRESENTATION AND THEY SOLD THIS BOARD ON IT.
AND WITHIN 12 MONTHS, NOTHING, NOTHING GOT DONE THAT SAID IT WAS GOING TO GET DONE.
I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING GET DONE SOMEWHERE LIKE THE [INAUDIBLE] THERE'S A LOT OF LOCATIONS THAT WE CAN USE AS A HOME BASE AND AND GET SOME GET SOME HISTORY BEHIND US.
BUT INSTEAD OF JUST STARTING OFF WITH A LOT OF PROMISES AND AND WE'RE HEARING A LOT ABOUT FUND RAISING AND FUNDS, BUT I'M NOT SEEING A LIST OF $1,000,000 THAT'S BEEN PUT ON THE TABLE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF MONEY TO GET THIS OFF THE GROUND.
AND IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME TO LEARN HOW TO DO IT.
AND I'M NOT EVEN ON THE [INAUDIBLE] BOARD, SO I'M NOT TRYING TO SELL THAT IDEA.
AND I SUSPECT THEY THEY HAVE HANDICAPPED AVAILABLE FACILITIES IN WAY.
SO I JUST PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE THAT THEY DO.
INSTEAD OF SAYING WE WANT TO GET THIS, THIS AND THIS BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
THAT'S MY COMMENT. ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL MAN.
I GUESS MY INITIAL THOUGHT IS I MEAN, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I AGREE.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK IT WAS WHAT WOULD BE THE DOWNSIDE OF, BECAUSE I WOULD THINK THIS BUILDING WOULD EVENTUALLY BE USED EVEN IF THE INITIAL PLAN WASN'T.
DIDN'T PAN OUT TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
IT'S STILL GOING TO BE AN IMPROVEMENT TO THE PROPERTY.
I DON'T I MEAN, I SEE IT AS ACCEPTABLE.
I MEAN, GRANTED, IT'S WE'RE NOT TAKING THE RISK OF OF BUILDING THAT PLACE.
WE'RE JUST ALLOWING THE LAND TO BE USED LIKE THAT.
AND I GUESS MY THOUGHT IS, I'M THINKING OF THE CAMPGROUND THAT'S IN YOUR BACK DOOR.
THAT. WITHOUT CALLING NAMES, I GUESS YOU.
YOU WHERE THE WHAT? I'M TALKING ABOUT THE FACILITY THAT'S OVER IN THAT AREA.
THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A COMPLEMENT TO AN AREA AND NOT THAT THIS IS GOING TO GO THAT WAY.
BUT WE JUST I JUST LIKE TO SEE I JUST LIKE TO SEE SOME HISTORY.
ANYBODY OVER HERE, THAT SIDE'S BEEN DOING ALL THE TALKING.
WELL, THIS BEING RATHER NEW TO ME.
BUT I DID TAKE TIME TO READ THROUGH THIS BRIEFING AND I HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS.
I THANK, MR. CAIN, FOR YOUR SERVICE.
I HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS WHO ARE CURRENTLY SERVING RIGHT NOW AND THEY ARE DEALING WITH A LOT OF PTSD ISSUES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, AND THEY SEEM TO NEED AN OUTLET.
I AGREE THAT THIS COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME, AS I HAVE READ THROUGH AND AS I LISTEN, EVEN THIS EVENING, I THINK THERE ARE A FEW MORE QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ASKED AND SOME QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED.
YOU KNOW, EVEN AS I LOOK HERE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE FIVE ACRES, ME BEING A HUNTER, I KNEW IT TAKES WAY MORE. I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS WILL BE FOR THE BUILDING AND PARKING LOT WHILE AT THE SAME TIME, WHAT OTHER TYPE OF HUNTING ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH YOU'RE GOING TO HUNT WITH DOGS OR IS IT STILL HUNTING? YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE DIFFERENT QUESTIONS LIKE THAT.
I'M PRETTY SURE AT SOME POINT HUNTING IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE ON THAT PROPERTY.
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AND JUST, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE DIFFERENT VARIANCES IN THE USAGE IN THE SURROUNDING LAND.HOW IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT THINGS IN THE FUTURE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE? YES, MA'AM. OKAY.
I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND MR. MANN'S CONCERN THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A GROUP THAT HAS NO TRACK RECORD, IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO DECIDE WHETHER THIS PROJECT.
HOWEVER WONDERFUL IT WILL BE, WHETHER IT IS A VIABLE PROJECT AND WHETHER IT CAN MOVE FORWARD.
CERTAINLY THIS TYPE OF THING WOULD BE A BENEFIT TO OUR COUNTY.
BUT THERE ARE STILL SOME QUESTION MARKS IN PLACE THAT MAKE THE DECISION A LITTLE DIFFICULT.
AND I GO BACK TO THE GROUP NOT HAVING EXPERIENCE.
AND I CERTAINLY WOULD NOT WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPEN WITH THIS TYPE OF FACILITY.
BUT I, I, I AM UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE LACK OF EXPERIENCE AND WHETHER THAT WOULD BE A FACTOR FOR ITS CONTINUATION AND ITS SUCCESS.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE HIGH VOLUME ON THIS PROPERTY.
THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME ON THE PROPERTY, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE MAIN CONTENT AREA.
LIKE I SAID, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE FARMED OUT TO THE [INAUDIBLE].
THE QUESTION OF EXPERIENCE AND THIS IS MY FAULT FOR NOT MENTIONING THIS, BUT THE EVERYONE INVOLVED IN THIS HAS BEEN INVOLVED WITH FISH [INAUDIBLE] FOR HOW MANY YEARS NOW? IT'S TAKING VETERANS AND FIRST RESPONDERS OUT FISHING, FISHING AND RUNNING THOSE PROJECTS.
AND THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE CHARITY IS NOW GOING TO BE [INAUDIBLE]. SO THIS ISN'T SOMETHING WHERE WE'VE GOT PEOPLE WITH NO IDEA HOW TO RUN A CHARITY, YOU KNOW, EXPERIENCE RUNNING THE CHARITY, COMING IN AND WAITING IT.
IT IS A GROWTH OF AN EXISTING ACCOMPLISHMENT.
AS FAR AS [INAUDIBLE] WHILE THEY DO HAVE.
EXISTING SOME HANDICAP AVAILABILITY THERE.
I THINK MY MAIN CONCERNS ARE WITH [INAUDIBLE], IT'S MOSTLY GRAVEL BACK THERE, SO THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE SOME MOBILITY LIMITATIONS. THE OTHER CONCERNS, IT'S NOT DESIGNED.
WHILE THEY DO HAVE HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBILITY THAT REQUIRE [INAUDIBLE].
EXCLUSIVELY TO BENEFIT HANDICAPPED VETERANS.
AND THAT IS ALL THIS FACILITY IS DESIGNED TO DO.
AND IT'S A FACILITY THAT WE DON'T HAVE IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.
AND SO I BELIEVE WE HAVE A NEED FOR IT.
AND WHILE IT WOULD BE GREAT IF ONE ALREADY EXISTED, IT DOESN'T.
SO THIS IS THIS IS FILLING AN EXISTING NEED.
WE'VE GOT THE KITCHEN ON SITE, SO IT'S GOING TO BE SELF-SUFFICIENT.
AND THE FIVE ACRES, AGAIN, IT'S JUST THE LODGE.
WE'RE NOT HAVING ALL THE ACTIVITIES THERE.
WE HAVE THAT EXISTING CHARITY ALREADY AND ALL THE EXPERIENCE THEREIN.
AND WE HAVE THE FINANCIAL BACKERS NECESSARY TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
I MEAN, OUR MAIN FINANCIAL BACKER, JUST 1 MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS ON A HORSE.
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ROUNDUP PROGRAMS ADD UP VERY QUICKLY.SO WHAT WE NEED MORE THAN ANYTHING IS TO GET THE SHOVELS IN THE GROUND AND MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
THE RISK TO SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY IS MINIMAL.
AND I EMPHASIZE AGAIN, YOU LOOK AT THAT SURVEY, THIS IS NOT REALLY EVEN GOING TO BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET [INAUDIBLE] AND IT'S MINIMAL DISRUPTION TO AGRICULTURE.
THAT'S THE REASON IT'S SET BACK IN THE WOODS.
SO THERE'S NO DISRUPTION TO THE EXISTING AGRICULTURAL OPERATIONS.
AND IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY TO SHOW THEIR APPRECIATION FOR PEOPLE WHO DESERVE IT.
THE OTHER QUESTION WHO'S GOING TO MANAGE THIS? MR. JAMES IS GOING TO BE FULL TIME.
YES, SIR. LIVING ON SITE RIGHT NEXT DOOR DOWN THE ROAD.
YES, SIR. THERE'S THE PATH GOING FROM THEIR HOUSE THROUGH THE WOODS, RIGHT TO THE SITE.
SO WE HAVE A LOT OF VOLUNTEERS.
I'M ASSUMING WHEN 20 GUESTS SHOW UP, THERE'LL BE A LOT OF VOLUNTEERS TO HELP.
YES, SIR. BUT AS FAR AS CATERING AND EVERYTHING, THE FAMILY ANTICIPATES THAT THEY WILL BE THEY'LL BE IN THE KITCHEN. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO BRING AN OUTSIDE CATERING COMPANY OR ANYTHING.
THIS IS GOING TO BE SELF-SUFFICIENT OPERATION.
AND THEY'RE FORTUNATE IN THEIR CAREERS SUCH THAT THEY HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO THAT.
LOOKS LIKE OUR OPTIONS ARE YES, NO OR TABLE FOR TABLE IT GOES TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
IS THAT RIGHT, RICHARD? YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PLANNING COMMITTEE.
YES. IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY.
ANYBODY ELSE? I THINK IT'S ACCEPTABLE.
AND AS A COMMITTEE MEMBER, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE FORWARDED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO FORWARD AND A SECOND.
ALL THOSE, IN FAVOR. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES, SIR. WE WILL GO DOWN THE LIST OF CRITERIA TO SEE IF IT MEETS THE CRITERIA TO GET OUT.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE NEEDED TO ASK.
WHAT HAPPENED AS MS. LEWIS READ IT. DID WE DO THAT FIRST BEFORE THE MOTION TO DETERMINE WHETHER WE THINK IT MEETS THE CRITERIA FIRST? RIGHT. I GUESS YOU CAN YOU CAN FORMALLY SAY EVERY SENTENCE AND SEE IF YOU'D LIKE TO DO THAT.
YOU CAN. BUT YOU'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND YEAH, WE DO. IN YOUR DISCUSSION, YOU CAN BRING OUT THOSE POINTS, RIGHT? YOU WANT YOU WANT TO DRAW THAT.
AND WE WOULD TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN.
YOU WANT TO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THOSE CAN DISCUSS IT.
MY QUESTION WAS ABOUT NUMBER FOUR.
I MEAN, WHO? MY QUESTION IS, WHO WAS THE LAND BOUGHT FOR THE PURPOSE OF DOING THIS PROJECT? YES OR NO. WAS THE LAND PURCHASED A FEW MONTHS AGO FOR THE PURPOSE THE PURPOSE OF DOING THIS.
I THINK THAT CAN'T BE ANSWERED.
JUST YES OR NO. IT'S AN EXISTING FARM.
SO AS PART OF THE AGREEMENT, THE PURCHASING THE LAND WAS HONORING THE EXISTING FARM.
THE ASPIRATION WAS TO USE THIS LAND FOR THIS PROJECT WITH THE BLESSING OF THE COMMISSION.
BUT THERE'S ALSO THE PRINCIPAL GOAL WHICH WAS MAKING PART OF THE AGREEMENT TO HAVE THE TRANSFER OF LAND THAT WE WOULD HONOR THE EXISTING AGRICULTURALISTS.
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. BEFORE WE VOTE. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO PASS IT ON AS A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE, AYE.
OPPOSED NO, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GO WITH NO.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I BELIEVE YOU COME BACK AND START THE MEETING AGAIN.
THANK YOU, PANEL, [INAUDIBLE].
AT THIS TIME, WE WILL BEGIN OUR MAY 12TH MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
[I. CALL TO ORDER, PLANNING COMMISSION]
AND AGAIN, WE WELCOME YOU ALL HERE TONIGHT.SO WE'LL CALL THIS PART OF THE MEETING TO ORDER.
WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
I'M GOING TO ASK EACH ONE OF YOU REMAIN STANDING.
MR. CHESSON, WOULD YOU MIND GIVING US A SHORT INVOCATION, PLEASE? [INVOCATION] DEAR FATHER, WE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE THINGS YOU DO FOR US.
WE THANK YOU FOR BEING IN CONTROL.
LORD WE THANK YOU FOR GIVING US YOUR PEACE.
WE ASK THAT YOU BE WITH EACH PERSON IN THIS ROOM TONIGHT, FILL US WITH YOUR SPIRIT.
HELP US MAKE THE DECISIONS THAT GLORIFY YOU.
[INAUDIBLE] LORD WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR THIS COUNTRY, THIS STATE AND THIS COUNTY.
HELP US BE MORE EFFECTIVE LEADERS.
I PRAY THESE THINGS IN YOUR SON'S NAME, AMEN.
THANK YOU, MR. CHESSON. ALL RIGHT, NOW WE CAN PUT OUR PLANNING COMMISSIONER HATS ON, SO TO SPEAK.
AND THERE'S JUST A LITTLE BIT CONFUSION FOR SOME OF YOU.
WE NORMALLY DON'T MEETINGS LIKE THIS, BUT THIS WAS NECESSARY TONIGHT.
SO OUR FOLLOWING THE AGENDA ON OUR PAPERWORK TONIGHT.
AT THIS POINT, WE WILL GO TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS THE APPROVAL OF THE APRIL MINUTES.
[II. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
AND I SEE EVERYONE HAS THEIR PACKETS IN FRONT OF THEM.AND I HOPE YOU HAD TIME TO REVIEW THE MINUTES.
AND AT THIS TIME I WILL ENTERTAIN ANY CORRECTIONS OR ADDITIONS AND IF THERE ARE NONE.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
MR. MR. RANDALL HAS MADE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS PROVIDED.
DO I HEAR A SECOND? I SECOND? MR. TURNER. I HAVE A PROPER SECOND IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MINUTES.
IF NOT, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ANY OPPOSED LIKE SIGN, IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
ALL RIGHT, SO NOW NUMBER THREE OF COURSE THERE ARE NO PUBLIC HEARINGS SCHEDULED TONIGHT.
[IV. UNFINISHED BUSINESS]
THIS IS REGARDING THE SAME TOPIC AS THE [INAUDIBLE] DISTRICT EARLIER TONIGHT.AND AGAIN, I'M GOING TO EXCUSE MYSELF FROM THE PROCEEDINGS AS WELL AS [INAUDIBLE] SORRY, THEY ARE NOT THERE ARE PUBLIC HEARINGS AGAIN, IS THAT CORRECT? NO.
WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING BACK IN MARCH.
NOW I THINK WE CAN ASK FOR COMMENT NECESSARY.
OKAY. SO AT THIS TIME, MR. RANDALL AND MYSELF, WE WILL EXCUSE OURSELVES AGAIN AND [INAUDIBLE].
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THE COMMITTEE HAS VOTED POSITIVELY ON THIS.SO WITH THAT IN MIND, WE WILL SEE WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAYS.
ANY DISCUSSION? I THINK THE COMMITTEE DID A GOOD JOB FLESHING OUT ALL THE ISSUES.
VERY GOOD. I THINK A LOT OF DISCUSSION IS HEALTHY.
I CAN'T HELP THAT. AND JUST A REMINDER FOR THE MINUTES, THIS IS A REQUEST TO REMOVE 5.51 ACRES FROM THE SAN STATESVILLE VOLUNTARY AGRICULTURE AND FORESTRY DISTRICT FROM TAX PARCEL 103-14C, WHICH IN TOTAL IS 119.54 ACRES.
OKAY. WE MADE A MOTION TO DO THAT.
SO WHO MADE THE MOTION IN THE COMMITTEE? I THINK YOU DID, MR. JOHNSON.
YEAH, I WAS GOING TO LET BRAD DO IT.
MAKE A MOTION THAT WE FORWARD ON TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.
MOTION AND A SECOND WE APPROVE THAT.
WE MOVE ON TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
I THINK EVERYBODY'S READ ALL THE STIPULATIONS THERE.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CONDITIONS? THIS IS A REQUEST TO OPERATE A COUNTRY IN PER SECTION 18-3720 OF THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY CODE.
THE INN WILL INCLUDE UP TO 11 GUESTROOMS AND PROVIDE MEALS FROM A COMMERCIAL KITCHEN.
IT WILL BE LOCATED ON 5.51 ACRES ALONG WITH ITS PARKING OF TAX PARCEL 14C TAX PARCEL 103 -14 C AND YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE PLANS THERE SHOWS 11 GUESTROOMS EACH WITH A BATHROOM FACILITY, OF COURSE, AND A GREAT ROOM, ENTRY ROOM AND DINING ROOM FACILITY.
[INAUDIBLE] ANYBODY HAD A FEW COMMENTS OUT THERE, GET THEM ALL OUT BEFORE WE VOTE.
OKAY. IT LOOKS LIKE WE COVERED EVERYTHING [INAUDIBLE].
HOW MANY PEOPLE BE ON THAT ROAD? I DON'T KNOW. IS THERE ANY COUNTRY? [INAUDIBLE] WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY ACCESS.
[INAUDIBLE] YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING.
[INAUDIBLE] IT'S A NIGHTMARE. EVEN PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF LIVE IN THE COUNTRY [INAUDIBLE]. THE INDIVIDUAL IN THAT
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[INAUDIBLE]. WE'VE GOT CLUBS IN ALMOST EVERY COMMUNITY.[INAUDIBLE] YOU'RE NOT CONNECTING THE DOTS [INAUDIBLE] . ANYBODY ELSE. AND JUST AS A REMINDER, YOU'LL NOTE IN THE STAFF REPORT THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.THE SITE WILL BE USED FOR THE BENEFIT OF DISABLED VETERANS AND FIRST RESPONDERS.
ENTRY WILL BE BY INVITATION ONLY, AND THE SITE WILL NOT BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
THE COUNTRY INN WILL PROVIDE ACCOMMODATIONS WITH AN ESTIMATED MAXIMUM OF 20 GUESTS AT THE TIME.
PRIMARY ACTIVITIES AVAILABLE AT THE SITE WILL INCLUDE HUNTING, FISHING AND CAMPFIRES.
A POOL MAY BE OUT IN THE FUTURE, WHICH MR. DANIELS HAS SAID IS NOT.
THERE WILL BE NO CAMPER HOOKUPS.
THERE MAY BE A TWO ACRE POND CREATED TO BE STOPPED FOR FISHING BY INVITED VISITORS.
THERE WILL BE NO HORSES OR OTHER LIVESTOCK KEPT ON THE PROPERTY.
THERE WILL BE WALKING PATHS, TOO.
AND IN THE WOODS, IN THE VICINITY OF THE COUNTRY INN.
LAND FOR HEROES DESIRES TO PRESERVE AS MUCH FARMLAND AND WOODED AREA AS POSSIBLE.
LAND FOR HEROES INTENDS TO PLANTATION SOME TREES IN THE VICINITY OF THE COUNTRY INN.
SO ALL OF THOSE CONDITIONS WILL STAY WITH THIS LAND SHOULD THIS BE APPROVED.
OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE VOTE? WHICHEVER WAY IT GOES, I LIKE TO SAY THAT I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFIT OF THE COUNTY AND EVERYBODY ELSE IF THE APPLICANT WOULD GET THE MINUTES AND HAVE ALL THOSE ANSWERS FIRST WHEN THIS GOES TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS [INAUDIBLE].
MR. CHAIRMAN, I RECOMMEND THAT WE APPROVE THE APPLICATION FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
WE RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OUR APPROVAL [INAUDIBLE] SECOND, SECOND, SECOND HERE.
LIKE I SAID, I'M VOTING FOR IT.
CAN I MAKE ONE COMMENT? YES, SIR.
WHEN THESE BUSINESSES COME FOR APPROVAL FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS MAY BE ANSWERED IF THEY WERE PRESENTED LIKE A BUSINESS PLAN ALONG WITH THEIR APPLICATION FOR REZONING OR DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ADD, LIKE HOW THEY'RE INTENDING TO RUN THE BUSINESS, WHAT HISTORY THEY HAVE OF DOING IT.
I MEAN, THIS IS I'M VOTING IN FAVOR OF THIS, TOO, BUT I JUST THINK IT WOULD ANSWER A LOT OF QUESTIONS FROM HERE FORWARD, BECAUSE WE HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS FOR THAT YOUNG LADY AT THAT TIME. AND SHE, YOU KNOW, WAS THE FIRST TIME RUNNING A BUSINESS AND SHE JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN INCLUDE LIKE A BUSINESS PLAN OF WHAT THEIR PLAN OF ACTION LIKE AT A TIMETABLE, MAYBE WHEN THEY PLAN ON OPENING, YOU KNOW, LIKE JUST IT MAY ANSWER A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE FIRED OFF TO MAKE IT A SMOOTH TRANSITION.
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I GUESS. I'LL CERTAINLY TELL APPLICANTS OF OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S REQUEST FOR A BUSINESS PLAN.WHEN YOU READ YOUR AGENDA, THOSE THINGS, YOU KNOW, MAKE YOUR NOTES AND BRING THEM TO THE MEETING.
SURE. YOU KNOW, WE CAN TABLE ONE UNTIL WE GET SOME ANSWERS TO TABLES AND IT GOES ON AS A POSITIVE.
SO, ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.
OKAY. THAT WOULD BE FORWARDED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
WHAT MEETING WOULD THAT BE? THE JUNE MEETING AT THE MEETING.
AND THEY WILL HAVE THE FINAL SAY IN THE MATTER.
THAT'S WHAT PETE BARUM USED TO SAY, OKAY, YOU GUYS WILL COME BACK.
YEAH. THANK YOU, MR. EDWARDS, FOR CONDUCTING THAT PART OF THE MEETING AND WISH THE APPLICANT THE VERY BEST AS THEY PROCEED WITH THIS APPLICATION AND [INAUDIBLE].
ALL RIGHT. THAT BEING SAID WE WILL GO TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE ON THE NEW BUSINESS.
[V. NEW BUSINESS]
AND MS. LEWIS, I'LL LET YOU EXPAND ON OUR JOINT MEETING COMING UP.YES, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAS INVITED YOU TO MEET WITH THEM NEXT WEDNESDAY, WHICH IS MAY 18TH, IN THIS ROOM AT 7:00 FOR A JOINT WORKSHOP MEETING.
OKAY. EXPECT EVERYBODY TO SHOW UP.
THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS SET THE DATE AND TIME.
AND THAT'S WHY THAT'S NEXT WEDNESDAY RIGHT HERE.
YOU HAVE IN YOUR AGENDA PACKAGE THE MOST RECENT COPY OF THE PROPOSAL OR ORDINANCE.
THAT HASN'T CHANGED IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS.
THEY ALSO INCLUDED THE CAROLINE COUNTY ORDINANCE, WHICH IS WHERE YOU STARTED FROM.
SO YOU CAN LOOK THROUGH AND SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT YOU MISSED THAT YOU LIKED IN THE CAROLINE COUNTY ORDINANCE THAT YOU WANT TO ADD TO YOUR PROPOSED ORDINANCE.
IF YOU MAKE ANY CHANGES TONIGHT, I'LL BE GLAD TO HAVE THOSE READY FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
OF COURSE, THERE WILL OF COURSE NOT BE ANY ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARING NEXT WEDNESDAY.
IT'S JUST A WORKSHOP, THE END OF THIS MEETING TONIGHT, I EXPECT INSTEAD OF ADJOURNING YOUR RECESS.
SO YOU CAN COME BACK TOGETHER NEXT WEDNESDAY.
AND ALSO I GOT THAT STUDY THAT WAS DONE AT VIRGINIA SOLAR SURVEY THAT WAS DONE BY THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY AND THE VIRGINIA SOLAR INITIATIVE AT UVA.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF ANYBODY WAS INTERESTED IN READING ALL 200 PAGES.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LETTER? WELL, BEFORE WE GET TO THAT POINT, ANYTHING ELSE? IF YOU ALL HAD A CHANCE TO [INAUDIBLE] MINUTES.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I MEAN, I.
I THINK THE ORDINANCE IS GOOD MYSELF.
ANYBODY GOT ANY COMMENTS ABOUT ANY CHANGES OR ANYTHING ELSE WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED, ARE WE ALL GOOD? AT THIS POINT NEXT MEETING WE MAY MAKE SOME CHANGES ARE WE ALL GOOD AND DO WE NEED A MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SOLAR ORDINANCE.
SO THE BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE ORDINANCE? YES, THEY HAVE. DID WE GET A THREE STAR REVIEW? FIVE STAR REVIEW, ONE STAR REVIEW? THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS WHO WOULD HAVE ADOPTED IT THAT EVENING.
OH, REALLY? THAT'S GOT TO BE A FOUR OR FIVE.
THIS PLANNING COMMISSION IS GOING TO BE THE EXPERTS.
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THAT'S NEXT ON YOUR AGENDA.WHAT KENNELS? NO. ANOTHER TOPIC TO TALK ABOUT WHEN YOU'RE DONE TALKING ABOUT SOLAR, PANELS ARE DOING FINE.
YOU DON'T NEED TO GET INTO THAT.
OKAY. WELL, I WAS JUST USING THAT.
WE SAW THAT A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, GENERAL EXAM.
AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAD COMMITTED TO A WEEK OF WORK OUT OF TOWN NEXT WEEK, AND WE WILL MISS YOU, MR. CHESSON. I WOULD NOT BE ABLE IN TIME.
WE CAN WE CAN GET YOU TO ATTEND THE MEETING VIRTUALLY.
YES. YOU'RE. YOU'RE WELCOME TO CALL IN IF YOU WANT TO LISTEN THEN.
GOT YOU, DIDN'T WE? I WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT.
OKAY. WE JUST WE DID THIS VOTE BEFORE THAT.
AND I'M SURE WE'LL SAY IT'S OKAY TO HAVE YOU ATTEND VIRTUALLY.
IS THAT PRETTY? IS THAT GOING TO BE FAVORABLE TO MOST EVERYBODY? WEDNESDAY, MAY 18TH AT 7:00, YES.
ALL RIGHT. NOW, THE NEXT TOPIC WAS LITTER.
AT THE MOST RECENT BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING.
THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT LITTER.
AND SUPERVISOR EDWARDS SAID THAT HE WOULD LIKE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO TACKLE THE LITTER PROBLEM.
I'M SURE HE HAS SOME DIRECTION THAT HE WOULD LIKE YOU TO TAKE.
NEVER, EVER, NEVER REALLY GETS ACCOMPLISHED AND DONE.
SO I IS IN SOME WAY A LAND USE TOPIC.
PEOPLE WHO WANT TO COME HERE AND THEY DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD AND SEE TRASH EVERYWHERE.
THEY MIGHT NOT WANT TO COME HERE AND BRING THEIR BUSINESS HERE.
SO IT DOES HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE BENEFIT OF THE COUNTY.
SO I COULDN'T THINK OF ANYBODY BETTER THAN THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
AND YOU WAIT IT TO THE ORDINANCE SOLAR ORDINANCE.
SO DO YOU WANT THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO COMPILE INFORMATION OR DO YOU WANT THEM TO COME UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS? WELL, GET THE INFORMATION AND THEN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FROM THAT.
AND THEY OR COUNCIL AND I KNOW THEY HAVEN'T MET BECAUSE OF COVID.
SO SHOULDN'T WE INTEGRATE THAT COMMITTEE? I MEAN, I HAVE ASKED I DON'T KNOW.
I HAVE ASKED FOR THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION.
SO WHEN THIS BOARD GETS TO THE POINT OF DISCUSSING THEN, I'LL INVITE THEM TO COME TO YOUR MEETING, AT LEAST TO SEE WHAT THEY HAVE TALKED ABOUT FOR THE PAST NUMBER OF YEARS.
BECAUSE I HAVE CONFUSION SOMETIMES OF OF WHAT IS AT OUR DISPOSAL, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THAT THE SHERIFF WE DID HAVE A LITTER, AND I THINK IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY, THE FUNDING.
AND I KNOW MR. GRIGGS AT SOME POINT RAN THE LITTER COMMISSION, BUT YOU KNOW, SOME THINGS WE CAN TALK ABOUT, BUT THE SHERIFF CAN SAY, WELL, THAT'S NOT REALLY PRACTICABLE.
NOW, BECAUSE OF THE TIGHT BUDGET, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO GET EVERYBODY TOGETHER TO GIVE THEIR COMMENTS BECAUSE SOMETIMES, WELL, IT'S A GREAT IDEA, BUT IT'S NOT PROCEDURALLY PRACTICABLE.
HE'S ALREADY VOLUNTEERED HIS SERVICE AREA.
WELL, I'M SURE. I'M SURE HE HAS.
I MEAN, WE HAVE THE WE HAVE THE BEST SHERIFF IN THE STATE, NO QUESTION.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT, WHY NOT SAVE SO MUCH TIME AND INVITE THE COMMITTEE, THE SHERIFF AND ANYBODY THAT IS GOING TO BE INVOLVED SO WE CAN TACKLE IT? IT'LL JUST BE SO MUCH MORE PRODUCTIVE IF WE DO THAT AND BENEFIT PERHAPS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION LOOKING AT IT IS THAT PERHAPS IF THERE ARE RECOMMENDED ORDINANCE CHANGES, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT STARTS WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, SUCH AS REQUIRING DUMPSTERS TO BE FULLY ENCLOSED WITH SELF-CLOSING GATES AND SITTING ON A CONCRETE PAD AND WITH LIDS THAT LOCK.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MAY TAKE AN ORDINANCE CHANGE TO REQUIRE THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
AND THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT STARTS AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND MY POINT IS, IS WE DON'T WANT TO RECOMMEND, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE CHANGES THAT ARE DUMPS WHEN WE
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DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO SO.IT'S LIKE THE PIE IN THE SKY, RIGHT? AND WE SIT HERE AND THOUGHT, WELL, WHAT ABOUT THIS? WHAT ABOUT THAT? WELL, I WAS TALKING ABOUT PRIVATE PROPERTY.
WE'RE NOT BEHIND THE GROCERY STORE.
17 DUMPS, AND SO FAR, THEY'RE WORKING PRETTY GOOD.
THERE ARE SOME PROBLEMS. BUT, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE SOMEONE LIKE THE HEAD GUY THAT SITS HERE AND SAY, HEY, THESE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WOULD HELP THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. RIGHT? THESE ARE SOME THINGS THAT GOVERNMENT CAN DO TO HELP SUPPORT US.
[INAUDIBLE] HE'S ALREADY TALKED TO THE BOARD ABOUT THAT.
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PROBLEMS AND HE CAN COMMENT IF HE WANTS TO.
YOU KNOW, YOU ALMOST GOT TO SEE SOMEBODY'S DEPUTY.
YOU ALMOST HAVE TO SEE SOMEBODY THROW THE TRASH OUT.
OH, YEAH. BECAUSE WHEN THEY GO TO COURT, THE JUDGES GO THROW IT OUT.
USUALLY, IF THERE'S NOT NOT A WITNESS AND THERE MIGHT BE WAYS TO HELP LIMIT THE TRASH BEFORE IT TURNS INTO LITTER. AND SO THAT MAY BE THINGS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTS TO LOOK AT.
AND THE OTHER THING, YOU KNOW, THESE SIGNS THAT SAY LITTERING $500 VDOT WILL NOT PUT UP A SIGN THAT SAYS LITTERING MORE THAN $500 FINE.
OKAY. SO THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE WE HAVE TO LOOK.
MAYBE WE'D HAVE TO BUY SOME, PUT UP SOME SIGNS, READ OUT.
STATE REGULATIONS, NO MORE THAN 500 BUCKS.
IF YOU GO TO A PLACE LIKE MAINE, IT'S $5,000 THE FIRST TIME.
THE SECOND TIME IT'S $5,000 AND YOU LOSE YOUR LICENSE FOR A YEAR.
SO YOU DON'T SEE A GUM WRAPPER ON THE ROADS UP THERE.
THERE MIGHT BE CHANGES THAT WOULD REQUIRE THAT PLACES, CONVENIENCE STORES AND FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS HAVE OUTDOOR TRASH CANS THAT THEY MAINTAIN THAT THEY ACTUALLY EMPTY.
SO WHERE THAT TRASH COME FROM? IS IT COMING OUT OF THE DUMPSTERS THAT ARE NOT LITTERED CORRECTLY? IS THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT FINDING WAYS PERHAPS TO STOP IT BEFORE IT TURNS INTO LITTER MAY BE SOMETHING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTS TO LOOK AT.
MS. LEWIS, DO YOU THINK I'M JUST ASKING, COULD YOU COORDINATE A MEETING THAT MAYBE THE SHERIFF OR HIS OFFICE COULD BE REPRESENTED AND THIS LITTLE COUNCIL AND WE COULD COLLABORATE AND FIND OUT WHERE SOME OF THE MORE PROBLEM AREAS I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS GO FROM THAT.
SO OUR ORDINANCE ADOPTED IN SOME FORM AND THEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN RETURN TO REVIEWING CHAPTERS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WORKING ON LITTER.
BUT CERTAINLY THERE'S CERTAIN SPECIFIC ROADS OR AREAS THAT THERE IS A TREMENDOUS PROBLEM AND THEN CERTAIN ROADS ARE JUST ABSOLUTELY CLEAN. I DON'T I DON'T GET I GUESS IT'S JUST THE TRAFFIC OR THE NATURE OR WHATEVER.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THE DUMP SITES WE WENT TO THE PERMANENT DUMP SITES YEARS AGO.
THAT WAS A HUGE IMPROVEMENT FOR THE COUNTY.
IT HAD SOMEWHERE TO GO AND DEPOSIT, YOU KNOW, YOUR TRASH AND SUCH.
AND I THINK BY, YOU KNOW, BEING MANNED, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ON SITE HAS HELPED A LOT.
AND WE'VE ALL GOT ACCUSTOMED TO THE, YOU KNOW, THE ALTERNATE DAYS IN MY AREA.
SO BUT WE STILL HAVE ROOM TO IMPROVE.
AND IT MAY JUST BE LIKE MYSELF, I'LL ADMIT SOMETIMES I GO TO THE DUMP [INAUDIBLE] BUT I TRY.
IF I SEE, I GO BACK AND PICK IT UP.
BUT MAYBE WE OUGHT TO REQUIRE A CARGO NET.
OR MAYBE I JUST BUY ONE FOR MYSELF ANYWAY.
BUT JUST AS SIMPLE AS THAT, YOU KNOW.
AND SOMETIMES IT'S NOT REALLY DELIBERATE, IT'S ACCIDENTAL.
BUT ANYWAY, WE NEED TO WORK ON THAT AND BRING EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION.
YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE EVERYBODY EVERYBODY WAS HAULING IN HERE, DUMPING IT HERE.
AND IT SAVED US ANYWHERE FROM $800,000 TO A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.
YEAH, AND I MEAN, IT'S STILL SAVING US MONEY.
YEAH, THAT'S BEEN A GREAT I'VE BEEN A GREAT ASSET TO THE COUNTY.
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UNITED STATES, 152 PIECES OF LITTER.NOW, I EXPECT NONE OF YOU THROW OUT 152 PIECES OF LITTER A YEAR, BUT THAT'S THE NUMBER.
SO PERHAPS SOME SORT OF SOME SORT OF CAMPAIGN, YOU KNOW, PICK UP YOUR BUT, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF SOME SORT OF MOMENTUM BUILDING TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF THE HABIT OF TOSSING THEIR CHEESEBURGER WRAPPER OUT THE WINDOW.
ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER NEW BUSINESS FROM THE BOARD BEFORE WE GO FORWARD? THERE'S YOU KNOW, I GET THE PUBLIC COMMENT THING BEFORE.
LET'S DO IT. LET'S DO IT BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
WHICH SEEMS TO ME WOULD BE BETTER BECAUSE AFTER EVERYTHING IS DISCUSSED AND VOTED ON, WHAT'S THE USE FOR YOU TO CITIZEN TO GET UP HERE AND COMMENT ON IT? SORRY, DON. SO IF WE HAVE THE CITIZENS COMMENT PERIOD AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, THAT WOULD GIVE THEM TIME TO COMMENT ON THE ITEMS THAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS AND VOTE ON.
WE'VE DONE THAT WITH THE BOARD.
IT'S VERY SUCCESSFUL. YOU KNOW, WE SET ASIDE AN HOUR, BUT USUALLY ONLY 15 TO 20 MINUTES.
WE LET EVERYBODY COME UP AND TALK ABOUT 3 MINUTES OR SO.
I JUST WANT TO THROW IT OUT AND SEE WHAT THE OTHER COMMENTS.
WHERE DO YOU ALL HAVE A SET TIME OF? 3 MINUTES. 4 MINUTES? WELL, DEPENDS ON THE BIG CROWD.
SO. AND IT'S TYPICALLY SOMETHING THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE THE SUBJECT OF A PUBLIC HEARING LATER IN THE MEETING, BECAUSE THEY HAVE THEIR CHANCE TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT ISSUE AT THE PUBLIC AND I TELL THEM BEFORE, LOOK, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC COMMENT ON NUMBER EIGHT.
SO IF YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING, SAY IT IN THE CITIZENS COMMENT PERIOD.
IT MAKES SENSE. I LIKE THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.
MAKE A MOTION. I MOVE THAT WE MOVE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD TO THE BEGINNING OF OUR MEETING WITH A TIME LIMIT DETERMINED BY THE CHAIRMAN. JUST JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE AFTER THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES APPROVAL? IT'S AFTER APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
THAT MOTION. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION.
EDWARDS SAID, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO RESTRICT FREE SPEECH.
AND I THINK IT'S A CITIZEN'S RIGHT IF HE WANTS TO GET UP HERE AND TALK FOR 10 MINUTES.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL IS GOVERNMENT ACTORS TO NOT BE RESTRICTIVE IN ANY WAY.
IF REASONABLE TIME ALLOWS, WE DO NOT HAVE A TIME CLOCK WE USE.
SO I WOULD ONLY PUT A RESTRICTION LIKE IF THERE'S SOME ISSUE WHERE IT'S PACKED.
YOU AGREE WITH ME ON THAT? OH, YEAH.
THAT'S WHY MY MOTION SAID TIME LIMIT TO BE DETERMINED.
YOU KNOW, IF IT'S NOT MANY PEOPLE THERE, NO LIMIT.
THAT'S THE WAY WE USUALLY DO IT.
YOU KNOW, WE SEE 20 PEOPLE WE SAY, OKAY, 3 MINUTES.
NOW ALSO, YOU CAN SAY, LOOK, IF ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING THAT HASN'T BEEN SAID TONIGHT.
OH, SO BUT AND AND TO GO BACK, WHICH IS TALKING ABOUT NOT RESTRICTING FREE SPEECH.
BUT WITH THAT TIME LOT BE ONLY FOR IT WOULDN'T BE INCLUSIVE OF ANY OTHER PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE WE BY THE CODE, WE STILL HAVE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR EACH ITEM FOR THAT SPECIFIC.
EDWARDS IS SAYING. DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE ABUSED TO JUST DELAY THE THING?
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IF IT IS, YOU CAN DO THIS.IF SOMEBODY GETS UP AND GOT A LONG DISSERTATION ON SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE A PUBLIC HEARING, YOU CAN SAY, LOOK, IF YOU CAN WAIT 20 MINUTES, WE'RE GOING TO LET YOU TALK TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH WOULD BE MORE BENEFICIAL FOR YOU.
AND IF SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO LEAVE EARLY.
RIGHT. IT'S JUST THE ABILITY TO SAY THAT'S TRUE.
THAT'S TRUE. ON THE OTHER HAND, IT IS A BETTER PRACTICE, NOT A CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE, NOT JUST A PROCEDURAL ISSUE TO SAY, WHY DON'T YOU HAVE YOUR COMMENTS AT THE PUBLIC HEARING? BECAUSE THERE MAY BE PEOPLE THERE.
SO THAT'S WHY IT'S ENCOURAGED THAT PUBLIC HEARING ISSUES ARE ONLY SPOKEN ABOUT DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO SOMEBODY MAY SPEAK EARLY, BUT THEN LEARN SOMETHING NEW IN THE PRESENTATION, OR THEY WANT TO COME BACK FOR THE APPLICATION.
IT HAPPENED TO MR. UPDIKE TONIGHT.
I DON'T WANT TO BE FILIBUSTER.
UPDIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, HIS PERSPECTIVE I LEARNED THINGS.
SO AND IT'S ALWAYS I'M I'M A BIG PROPONENT THAT DEBATE REFINES AND THE MORE WE DEBATE SOMETHING I THINK THAT DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES IS WHAT MAKES AMERICA GREAT TO GIVE THEM THE GOVERNMENT FUNCTION THAT THAT'S OUR JOB IS TO LISTEN AND THEN COMMENT ON THE INFORMATION WE RECEIVE.
LET'S TRY AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK, WE'LL WILL REVERT BACK AT ANOTHER TIME.
WE GOT A MOTION AND SECOND ON THE FLOOR.
OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, ANY OTHER COMMENT? ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION THAT WE MOVE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD UP TO ITEM NUMBER THREE BEHIND APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES [INAUDIBLE] SAY AYE, AYE.
AND OPPOSED LIKE SIGN, OCCURS UNANIMOUSLY.
YOU KNOW, I SHOULDN'T THINK THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SEE THAT ON YOUR AGENDA AND SAY, OH, WELL, I WOULD NEVER STAY TILL THE END OF A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS. BUT NOW THAT IT'S AT THE BEGINNING, I'LL FOLLOW YOU.
OKAY. RIGHT. SO MOVING ALONG, IT HELPS DIFFUSE CONTROVERSIAL ISSUES.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE WE DON'T WE DON'T LIMIT THAT.
WELL, I WOULD THINK, YOU KNOW, PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD BE MORE INTERESTED IN COMMENTS.
THAT MIGHT CREATE A NEW INTEREST.
THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT, JUST LIKE WE'RE LOOKING AT LITTER.
ANY OTHER NEW BUSINESS, IF NOT WE'LL GO TO ITEM NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS PUBLIC COMMENT.
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IF ANYONE OUT THERE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD, NOW IS YOUR TIME TO SPEAK.SURE. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN. [IONUAIDBLE] FRANKLY, I JUST WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION MIC] WHO
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WHO PICKED UP LITTER YOU SAID THE CHILDREN? SORRY.IF NOT, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE HEARING.
UM, NUMBER SEVEN, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE TO COME FROM THIS BOARD? OH, I'VE GOT ONE THING I JUST FOUND OUT.
A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY JUST PASSED AWAY GAYLE CAMP.
YES. CAMP'S MOTHER, I BELIEVE IT WAS YESTERDAY.
UM, JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW.
THANK YOU. I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONE KNEW THAT I DID IT.
I JUST GOT A CALL BEFORE I CAME HERE ABOUT IT.
MS. LEWIS, HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO GET UP WITH MR. TENNESSEE FOR HIS RECOGNITION? I HAVE NOT. I BELIEVE MR. JOHNSON'S GETTING THE RESOLUTION.
WILL WE? MR. JOHNSON'S LAST DAY WILL BE OFFICIALLY.
SO THERE'LL BE A MONTH OVERLAP.
THEY WERE OVERLAPPED FOR A MONTH.
IS HE COMING TO A MEETING SO WE CAN MEET? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS EXACTLY I WAS THINKING.
WELL, WE'LL GET TO SEE HIM AS A GROUP.
BUT THE NEW MANAGER WILL NOT BE THERE CORRECT.
NO, THE NEW I THINK THEY ARE ASKING TO INVITE THE NEW MR. [INAUDIBLE] FRANKLIN HAD SOME KIDS IN SCHOOLS, THEIR ACADEMY WAS LAST IN CREWE, VIRGINIA.
GREAT MEETING TO HAVE THAT TRANSITION OCCUR.
YOU COULD SEE THEM BOTH SAME TIME.
ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. IF NOT THAT MEETING NEXT WEEK, WE'LL BE A PUBLIC MEETING.
CORRECT. IT'LL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT OF COURSE, IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
AND YOU'RE GOING TO JUST RECESS THIS MEETING, NOT ADJOURN AT THIS EVENING.
ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.
APPRECIATE YOU BEING A PART TONIGHT AND LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR SERVICE TO THE COUNTY.
MS. RANDALL, WE DON'T NEED A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
YES, THAT'S RIGHT. HO, HO, HO, HO! DON'T SAY IT. DON'T.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.