I'M GOING TO ASK IF EVERYONE WILL STAND AS WE RECITE THE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO OUR FLAG.
[I. CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL ]
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WE'RE GOING TO PAUSE JUST FOR A SECOND.JACK, YOU CAN COME ON FORWARD IF YOU LIKE.
I'M GOING TO ASK YOU IF YOU REMAIN STANDING MR. CHESSON, WOULD YOU STEP DOWN AND GIVE US JUST A SHORT INVOCATION, PLEASE? IF YOU'D LIKE TO JOIN THE, PLEASE JOIN ME IN PRAYER.
DEAR FATHER LORD, WE JUST THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE STRENGTH AND ENERGY GIVING US TO BE HERE TONIGHT. LORD WE THANK YOU FOR THIS COUNTY AND LORD WE THANK YOU FOR OUR STATE AND OUR NATION. LORD WE PRAY FOR OUR LEADERS.
THIS BOARD INCLUDING, LORD I JUST ASK THAT YOU, GIVE US MORE WISDOM.
LORD HELP US MAKE THE DECISIONS.
THE WAY IN A MANNER THAT WOULD PLEASE YOU.
I PRAY THESE THINGS IN YOUR SON'S NAME, AMEN.
YOU MAY BE SEATED. STEP AWAY FOR A MINUTE, I FORGOT MY MASK.
I'LL BE RIGHT BACK. YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION TO DO THAT.
GOOD EVENING. I'D LIKE TO WELCOME EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU HERE TONIGHT TO OUR FEBRUARY, THE 10TH MEETING OF THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, WE'RE A LITTLE BIT SHORT STAFFED TONIGHT.
WE'RE CERTAINLY MISSING OUR SECRETARY TONIGHT WHO WAS HAS BEEN TESTED POSITIVE FOR COVID, BUT SHE'S AVAILABLE BY PHONE CALL IF WE NEED HER AND OUR UM ATTORNEY HAS NOT SHOWED UP YET, BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYTHING PRESSING TONIGHT.
SO WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO CERTAINLY GET THROUGH THIS MEETING.
AND UM, BUT AGAIN, I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE AND I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE TONIGHT.
[II. APPROVAL OF MINUTES ]
UM, OUR FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT WOULD BE THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE PAST MEETING, LIKE EVERYBODY HAS A PACKAGE IN FRONT OF THEM.I KNOW THE MINUTES WERE QUITE EXTENSIVE.
WE HAD A RATHER LONG, INTENSE MEETING LAST MONTH.
UH, I DID READ THROUGH THE MINUTES, PERSONALLY I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT WAS OUT OF THE ORDINARY. I THOUGHT IT LOOKED FINE.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR ANY ADDITIONS TO THE MINUTES? I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING EITHER.
IF NOT, DO I ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? MOTION TO APPROVE.
SECOND. PROPER MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
SECOND. MR. DAY HAVE A SECOND TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED SAY AYE.
THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES IS UNANIMOUS.
OK, GOING DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER THREE ON OUR AGENDA, THERE ARE NO PUBLIC HEARINGS SCHEDULED TONIGHT. FOR RIGHT NOW, I'M GOING TO SKIP OVER ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
UNFINISHED BUSINESS, WE'LL COME BACK UP TO THAT LATER.
UM, WE HAVE SOME GUESTS AMONG US TONIGHT THAT'S GOING TO BRING SOME NEW BUSINESS TO US.
[V. NEW BUSINESS ]
THEY'RE GOING TO INTRODUCE US TO BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE.UM, IT'S A IT'S A NEW TECHNOLOGY BY THE ERM GROUP.
AND OF COURSE, THERE'S SOME INFORMATION IN OUR PACKET.
HOPE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO BRIEF THAT.
SO I'M GOING TO ASK, UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN WITH THE UM ERM GROUP, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD AS SEVERAL OR JUST ONE.
ALL I ASK IS WHEN YOU COME FORWARD, IF YOU'LL GIVE YOU A NAME OR MAYBE YOUR POSITION OF THE COMPANY OR WHO YOU'RE REPRESENTING, THIS IS ALL NEW TO US, BUT WE CERTAINLY WELCOME YOU ALL HERE TONIGHT AND WE ARE VERY ATTENTIVE TO LISTEN TO YOUR PRESENTATIONS.
YOU MAY COME FORWARD. THANK YOU, EVERYONE, AND GOOD EVENING.
GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE, HEAR ME, OKAY.
YES, YES. MY NAME IS CONNOR GOODSON.
I'M A DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT WITH ES VOLTA.
UM, AND WITH ME, AS YOU JUST MENTIONED, IS A COUPLE OF CONSULTANTS FROM ERM ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCE MANAGEMENT, AMANDA MUELLER AND TESS MCMORRIS, AND ALSO ANDY BROWNSTEIN WITH, HOWEVER, WHO IS ACTING AS COUNSEL FOR ES VOLTA.
UM, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING, THANK YOU SHERRY SURE AND THANK YOU,
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COMMISSION FOR THE TIME FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TO YOU THIS EVENING.WE ALSO WANT TO THANK THE STAFF AND WISH FALLEN ILL AND NOT HERE THIS EVENING.
UM JUST WANT TO BRIEFLY TOUCH ON WHO ES VOLTA IS AS A COMPANY.
SO WE'RE A, UM, INDEPENDENT POWER PRODUCER, SO WE DEVELOP, CONSTRUCT, OPERATE AND OWN ALL OF OUR BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE FACILITIES.
WE HAVE A COUPLE THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING HERE IN VIRGINIA, IN ADDITION TO MARKETS IN THE WESTERN HALF OF THE U.S.
AS WELL. UM, WE'RE EXCITED TO BE HERE AND HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS AFTER THE PRESENTATION, OF COURSE.
AND AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO TESS.
GOOD EVENING TO THE CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS.
SO I'M JUST ECHO EVERYTHING, CONNOR SAID.
HAPPY TO BE HERE. WE HAVE SOME, WE HAVE SOME MATERIALS FOR YOU FROM OUR PRESENTATION.
THESE ARE PRINTED IN COLOR AND THEY'RE EXACTLY WHAT BETH WOULD HAVE TRANSMITTED TO YOU, I BELIEVE IN YOUR PACKET. SO SINCE WE ARE ABSENT OF THE GIFT OF TECHNOLOGY THIS EVENING, THANK YOU. WE'LL RELY ON THESE FOR NOW AND ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE ON ANY PARTICULAR SLIDE. FEEL FREE TO REFERENCE IT BY THE SLIDE OR THE TITLE, AND WE'LL GET ALL TURN OUT ATTENTION THERE.
SO AS CONNOR MENTIONED MY NAME IS TESS MCMORRIS.
I'M A PLANNER WITH ERM AND I'M HERE THIS EVENING WITH MY COLLEAGUE AMANDA MUELLER, WHO'S THE ENVIRONMENTAL LEAD FOR THIS PROPOSAL.
AND WE PUT TOGETHER THIS PRESENTATION ABOUT BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS AT THE RECOMMENDATION OF MS. LEWIS, THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT OR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT HERE IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. WE HAD A PRE-APPLICATION MEETING WITH HER ON JANUARY 20TH, WHERE WE JUST WANTED TO DISCUSS WITH HER THE POTENTIAL FOR THE USE IN THE COUNTY AND WHAT MAY NEED TO OCCUR IN ORDER FOR THAT TO COME TO FRUITION.
AND IT WAS HER RECOMMENDATION THAT WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING TO PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND ON THE PROPOSED USE AND THEN ALSO TOUCH ON A POTENTIAL PROPOSED PROJECT FROM WHICH THERE ARE SOME DETAILS AND A VERY PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN FOR YOUR REFERENCE.
SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH NOW? JUST BRIEFLY IN THIS PRESENTATION, IS IT GOING TO TOUCH ON BATTERY STORAGE TECHNOLOGY, EQUIPMENT AND TYPICAL LAYOUT AND FOOTPRINT? AND THEN SOME BACKGROUND ON THE APPLICABLE CHANGES TO THE VCA, WHICH NOW INCLUDE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE PROJECTS, AND THEY ALSO NOW PROVIDE FOR THEM WITH SITING AGREEMENTS.
SO THEN WE'LL WE'LL JUST BRIEFLY TOUCH ON THE PROPOSED PROJECT SO YOU CAN GET AN IDEA OF WHAT IT IS YOU MAY BE LOOKING AT IN THE FUTURE.
AND THEN SOME OF THE BENEFITS AND ENVIRONMENTAL COMMUNITY IMPACTS.
SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO GET RIGHT INTO IT.
IF YOU HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE PACKET AND HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY ADDRESS THOSE, BUT THAT JUST THE CHAIRMAN'S PLEASURE, PLEASE INTERRUPT ME AS NEEDED. THANK YOU. SO A BEST FACILITY, THE ACRONYM THAT YOU'LL PROBABLY BE HEARING A LOT THIS EVENING. THE ACTUAL BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM AND THE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE FACILITY. SO BATTERY ENERGY FACILITY CONSISTS OF BATTERIES, CABINETS LIKE SHIPPING CONTAINERS. I'M SURE WE'VE ALL SEEN THOSE A SUBSTATION OR SWITCHGEAR, ALSO FAMILIAR SITE AND ANCILLARY ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT.
SO THIS WILL BE YOUR INTERCONNECTION, YOUR TRANSMISSION LINE, THOSE TYPES OF EQUIPMENT.
NOW, ONE THING THAT MAKES BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE FACILITIES UNIQUE IS THAT THEY DO NOT GENERATE POWER AND THEREFORE DO NOT GENERATE EMISSIONS.
THIS PARTICULAR SYSTEM WOULD BE A STANDALONE SYSTEM, AND IT WOULD REMOVE THE EXTRA POWER FROM THE GRID AND STORE IT OFFSITE IN THE VERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM FOR LATER USE, NORMALLY DURING PEAK DEMAND HOURS.
SO THE TYPICAL EQUIPMENT AND LAYOUT OBVIOUSLY INCLUDES THE EQUIPMENT I JUST LISTED, AND EACH BATTERY CONTAINER IS SELF-CONTAINED IN ITS OWN LITTLE UNIT.
AND I BELIEVE THERE IS A PICTURE OF A REPRESENTATIVE GRAPHIC ON OUR COVER AND THANK YOU.
SO LIKE I SAID, EACH BATTERY CONTAINER IS SELF CONTAINED AND ENCLOSED, AND THAT IS WHERE THE LITHIUM ION PHOSPHATE BATTERY IS.
THOSE LITHIUM ION PHOSPHATE BATTERIES ARE THE SAME TYPE OF BATTERIES THAT ARE ON OUR CELL PHONES, LAPTOPS AND A LARGER SCALE YOUR ELECTRIC BATTERY FOR CARS.
UM, THEN THE ACTUAL BATTERY CONTAINERS THAT CONTAIN ALL OF THESE BATTERY CELLS OR ORIENTED IN THE SAME WAY THAT YOU WOULD FOR ACCESS SO WIDE ENOUGH SO THAT, UM, FIRE TRUCKS CAN GET IN THERE IF THEY NEED TO AND MANEUVERABILITY OF THE SITE, AS WELL AS
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OPERATIONAL AND MAINTENANCE FOR MOWING, ETC.THEN YOUR SWITCH GEAR YOUR SUB SUBSTATION.
THIS IS THE WHERE AND HOW THE ELECTRICITY WOULD BE TRANSMITTED TO AND FROM THE SUBSTATION FOR STORAGE. THEN THE ANCILLARY ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT INCLUDES A STATUS SYSTEM, WHICH IS A RELAY CONTROL CUBICLE THAT RELAYS INFORMATION FROM THE ACTUAL BATTERIES THEMSELVES VIA CABLES AND A WIRELESS ANTENNA, WHICH ALLOWS FOR COMMUNICATION FOR AND MONITORING FOR OFF AND ON SITE USE.
NOW QUICKLY, I'M SURE YOU'RE ALL VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE VIRGINIA COMMAND ECONOMY.
WE SPOKE TO MS. LEWIS ABOUT THIS AND SOME OF THE UPDATES AS A RESULT OF SOME EDITS THAT WERE MADE BY THE COMMONWEALTH IN 2021.
AND SOME OF THOSE EDITS INCLUDE THE NEW DEFINITION.
AND APPLICATION OF THE GOAL FOR SOLAR AND DISTRIBUTED GENERATION IN THE COMMONWEALTH TO EXTEND TO BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE AND ALSO FOR ALLOWING FOR SITING AGREEMENTS NOT LIMITED TO OPPORTUNITY ZONES.
SO NOW EVERY BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE FACILITY AND RENEWABLE PROJECTS OVER A CERTAIN THRESHOLD, WHICH HAPPENS TO BE FIVE MEGAWATTS, WILL BE AVAILABLE TO ENTER INTO SITING AGREEMENTS WITH THE LOCALITY, THE HOST LOCALITY.
SO THE PROPOSED PROJECT THAT I BRIEFLY MENTIONED, THIS IS CALLED THE THREE SISTERS BEST.
IT IS GENERALLY LOCATED ON GENERAL THOMAS HIGHWAY OR ROUTE 671 AND DELAWARE ROAD.
IT'S IMMEDIATELY BEHIND THE [INAUDIBLE] CORNER SUBSTATION.
THE PROPOSED PROJECT FOOTPRINT WOULD BE VERY SMALL IN COMPARISON, BOTH TO THE SIZE OF THE OVERALL PARCEL AS WELL AS MOST OTHER ENERGY PROJECTS.
ABOUT TEN ACRES OUT OF SEVENTY SIX.
YOU CAN ALSO SEE I THINK THIS GOT A LITTLE BIT STRETCHED OR SHRUNKEN HERE BECAUSE WE WOULD NORMALLY CONDUCT THIS AND SHOW THAT THESE TYPES OF EQUIPMENT THAT I JUST WENT THROUGH AND MENTIONED. BUT IF YOU CAN SEE THE SMALL RECTANGLES THAT ARE ORIENTED HERE TOWARDS THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE ARE THE ACTUAL THE REPRESENTATION OF THE BATTERY STORAGE CONTAINERS THEMSELVES AND TO THE NORTH WOULD BE THE ANCILLARY EQUIPMENT, [INAUDIBLE] ET CETERA. AND THIS PROJECT IN PARTICULAR, SITED VERY CONVENIENTLY ADJACENT TO THE SUBSTATION. AND SO THE INTERCONNECTION AND THE TRANSMISSION TIME IS VERY SHORT AND VERY MINIMAL DISRUPTION, AND IT WOULD CONNECT TO EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH IS ALSO IDEAL.
SO WE'VE INCLUDED A LITTLE BIT OF A FACT SHEET IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH MS. LEWIS. SHE HAD COME UP WITH A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT ARE TYPICAL FOR THESE TYPES OF USES AND THE NEW USE TO AN AREA SPECIFICALLY.
SO WE WENT THROUGH HER QUESTIONS AND WE TRIED TO DISTILL A LOT OF THE INFORMATION AS RELATES TO SAFETY.
THE ENVIRONMENT BENEFITS, IMPACTS ANY GOOD FACTS OR INFORMATION THAT WE OURSELVES WOULD WANT TO KNOW, AND SO WE'D LIKE TO PASS ALONG TO YOU AS WELL.
SO THE BATTERY CHEMISTRY WASN'T MENTIONED FOR LITHIUM ION AND PHOSPHATE.
THE USEFUL LIFE OF A BATTERY IS ABOUT ONE CYCLE, ONE CHARGE AND DISCHARGE PER DAY FOR UP TO 20 YEARS, WHICH WOULD BE THE LIFE CYCLE OF THE PROJECT.
THEN THE UM, THE BEST AND ITS COMPONENTS ARE RECYCLED OFFSITE AND ACTUALLY DIRECTLY THROUGH THE MANUFACTURER THAT THEY'RE PURCHASED FROM.
THEY GO BACK TO THAT MANUFACTURER FOR RECYCLING.
THEY DO NOT END UP IN LANDFILLS.
THERE ARE NO KNOWN ADVERSE HEALTH EFFECTS OF BEST SYSTEMS. THE BATTERIES ARE WITHIN SECONDARY CONTAINMENT.
THE SHIPPING CONTAINERS THAT WE MENTIONED EARLIER, AND SO THEY'RE NOT EXPOSED TO WEATHER.
AND REGARDLESS OF THEIR EXPOSURE TO WEATHER, THEY'RE NOT SUSCEPTIBLE TO HEAT ICE OR ANY OF THOSE CONDITIONS DON'T AFFECT THEIR HEALTH, SAFETY OR UTILITY.
UM, THEY ALSO DO NOT REQUIRE COUNTY SERVICES OR WATER FOR OPERATIONS, FOR EXAMPLE, DURING CONSTRUCTION. THEY WOULD NOT HAVE A PERMANENT WATER DRAW.
THEY WOULD NOT NEED A WELL OR ANYTHING.
WATER TRUCKS WOULD BE BROUGHT IN FOR CONSTRUCTION FOR A FUGITIVE DUST CONTROL.
AND LIKE I SAID, THE BATTERIES ARE LOCATED WITHIN CONTAINERS AND THEY'RE NOT SUSCEPTIBLE TO THOSE WEATHER CONDITIONS. AND THEY'RE ALSO COVERED UNDER SEVERAL UL DISTINGUISH, EXCUSE ME, DISTINGUISHING, UM, REGULATION, SO THOSE SPECIFICALLY ARE UL NINETY FIVE, UL NINETEEN SEVENTY THREE, UL EIGHTEEN FORTY ONE, AND ALL AUXILIARY EQUIPMENT INCLUDES AC AND DC WILL ALSO COMPLY WITH ANY C 70 AND NFPA EIGHT FIFTY FIVE.
SO. IN ADDITION TO ITS LACK OF NEED FOR COUNTY SERVICES, NOT GOING TO GENERATE A WHOLE LOT OF TRAFFIC AT OPERATION AND TYPICAL CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC WOULD BE EXPECTED DURING THE VERY SHORT CONSTRUCTION PERIOD.
AND THEN UPON THE USE THE END OF THE USEFUL LIFE OF THE FACILITY ABOUT APPROXIMATELY 20
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YEARS, THE BATTERY ENERGY FACILITY WOULD BE DECOMMISSIONED AND ALL OF THE FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE REMOVED AND THE LAND WOULD BE SUBSTANTIALLY RESTORED TO THE SAME CONDITION PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION.IN THIS SITUATION, THE LAND THAT WE WOULD BE PROPOSING TO SITE THIS PROJECT ON IS CURRENTLY VACANT ON FARMS UNDEVELOPED.
SO ANOTHER CONCERN THAT, YOU KNOW, AT THE TOP OF OUR MINDS FROM OUR DISCUSSION WITH STAFF WAS THE CONCERN FOR SAFETY, NAMELY FIRE.
SO ON SITE SAFETY TRAINING WOULD BE PROVIDED FOR FIRST RESPONDERS.
FMEA SAFETY DATA SHEETS AND MANUFACTURER SAFETY DOCUMENTATION AND INDUSTRY STANDARD OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE PLANS WOULD ALSO BE PROVIDED TO THE COUNTY AND FIRST RESPONDERS. THERE ARE MULTIPLE FIRE DETECTIONS ON SITE AND [INAUDIBLE], SO EACH INDIVIDUAL CELL IS MONITORED REMOTELY.
AND SO IN THE EVENT OF AN ANOMALY, AN INDIVIDUAL CELL CAN BE TURNED OFF, ISOLATED AND PREVENTED FROM CAUSING ANY LARGER RISK OF FIRE.
BUT IN THE VERY UNLIKELY EVENT OF FIRE, EACH CABINET ALSO CONTENT WILL CONTAIN THE SPREAD OF FIRE. AS FAR AS THE BENEFITS TO SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY SPECIFICALLY, THIS PROJECT WILL REQUIRE LITTLE TO NO COUNTY SERVICES, THE TAXES GENERATED FROM THIS FACILITY WOULD ALMOST BE ENTIRELY CREDITED TO THE LOCAL TAX BASE.
THE PROJECT IS ANTICIPATED TO GENERATE ABOUT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS IN TAX REVENUE OVER THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT, SO HALF A MILLION DOLLARS OVER 20 YEARS.
THE PROJECT WILL GENERATE TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION JOBS LIKE WITH MOST OF THESE TYPES OF THINGS, AS WELL AS ONGOING MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS JOBS FOR SAFETY, SAFETY CHECKS AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, YOU MOWING THE GRASS, [INAUDIBLE] AND ANY OTHER OPERATIONAL IMPACT OR ISSUE THAT IS REQUIRED FOR BATTERIES, SPECIFICALLY MAINTENANCE.
THEN FOR WHY SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY? SO SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY WAS IDENTIFIED AS A COUNTY THAT SUPPORTS COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENTS, AS EVIDENCED BY OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN THIS AREA.
FOR YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS AND IMPACTS.
VERY MINOR IMPACTS TO THE LAND.
IT'S A PASSIVE USE OF SPACE, AND IT'S A VERY SMALL FOOTPRINT FOR THE AMOUNT OF POWER THAT IT STORES. IT DOES NOT GENERATE ELECTRICITY, LIKE I SAID, ONLY SOURCE SO EMISSIONS AND ANY OF THAT BAD STUFF.
NOT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A [INAUDIBLE] FOR BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE FACILITIES.
IN ADDITION TO ANY POTENTIAL REVIEW BY YOURSELVES AND YOUR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THIS PROJECT WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE VIRGINIA PERMIT BY RULE PROCESS, STORMWATER AND CONSTRUCTION PERMIT [INAUDIBLE], SO VIRGINIA WATER PROTECTION PERMIT, AS WELL AS CONSULTATION TO BCR, DWR AND DHR, ARE REQUIRED.
SO IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF, WE HAD IDENTIFIED KIND OF A PATH FORWARD FOR A POTENTIAL LOCAL APPROVAL OF A BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE FACILITY, WHICH INCLUDES A SITE IN AGREEMENT AS PROVIDED BY THE EPA.
A POTENTIAL TAX AMENDMENT TO ADD BATTERY STORAGE AS AN ADDITIONAL USE IN A ONE ZONING.
AND ON YOUR LEFT HAND SIDE, YOU'LL SEE THE THE PROJECTS THAT PLANNING INFORMATION, WHICH LAYS OUT THAT PROJECT IS CURRENTLY ZONED AGRICULTURAL.
ITS LAND USE IN PARTICULAR LAND USE IS INDUSTRIAL.
AND IT'S LOCATED IN YOUR PORTLAND PLANNING AREA.
AND SPECIFICALLY, THE PORTLAND PLANNING AREA HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS AN AREA FOR NEW AND EMERGING INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
SO FOLLOWING A TEXT AMENDMENT, WE WOULD ALSO POTENTIALLY BE SUBJECT TO A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AGAIN THROUGH YOURSELVES AND YOUR GOVERNING BOARD AND FOLLOWING THAT SITE PLAN REVIEW AND APPROVAL. MANN DISTURBING PERMITS AND BUILDING PERMIT.
NOW THAT'S JUST AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, SUBJECT TO SEVERAL OTHER PERMITTING PROCESSES AT THE STATE LEVEL.
AND AS FAR AS THE THE IMPACTS GO FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE, THE DUE DILIGENCE FOR THIS AREA IS ONGOING AND SO WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, PROBABLY AT A LATER DATE. WE GET A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN THE LINE.
AND WITH THAT, I'LL STAND FOR QUESTIONS.
MYSELF AND MY COLLEAGUES ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
AND IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO ANSWER THEM, WE'RE HAPPY TO PROVIDE RESPONSES THROUGH BETH WHEN SHE RETURNS TO THE OFFICE, AND WE SO APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TO YOU THIS EVENING. AND WE HOPE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO CONTINUE THIS PRESENTATION AND DISCUSS THIS TOPIC WITH YOU TO YOUR LIST YOUR PLEASURE.
IS THERE ANY OTHER ANY OTHER, UM, ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK? YES, MA'AM. SO UM, WE HAVE A DRAFT OF A TEXT AMENDMENT THAT WE PUT TOGETHER, WE PROVIDED
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IT TO BETH IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING, BUT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO MEET THE CUT OFF TO GET INTO YOUR PACKETS. SO WE HAVE THIS THIS EVENING FOR YOUR DISCUSSION, YOUR REVIEW AND FEEDBACK SHOULD YOU FEEL THE NEED TO PROVIDE IT THIS EVENING.AMANDA IS GOING TO PASS THAT OUT AND APPRECIATE YOU.
WE'RE ALSO HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT.
THANK YOU. MS. LEWIS HELPED US, POINTED US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
OTHER CONSISTENT CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS AND PROCESSES IN THE COUNTY.
AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO REVIEW YOUR CODE AND WE DECIDED THAT THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S BEEN DONE BEFORE.
AS FAR AS THE LAYOUT OF A CONDITIONAL USE WITH THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS.
SOME OF THIS INFORMATION COMES DIRECTLY FROM THE STATE LAW WITH REGARDS TO THE DECOMMISSIONING, AND SOME OF IT IS BORROWED FROM YOUR VERY OWN CODE FROM ELSEWHERE.
SO YOU MIGHT SEE SOME FAMILIAR CHUNKS OF TEXT, SO WE DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO REINVENT THE WHEEL. YOU ALL HAVE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB HERE.
WELL, THANK YOU, MISS MCMORRIS, WE APPRECIATE YOUR YOUR MESSAGE AND YOUR PRESENTATION.
I'LL LET BOARD IF YOU WANT TO ENTERTAIN THEM.
IF YOU GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, THEN WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO, LIKE I SAID AGAIN, TONIGHT WAS BASICALLY A PRESENTATION.
GIVE US SOME INFORMATION TO READ UP ON AND GET MORE FAMILIAR WITH.
I THINK SHE DOES A GREAT, A GREAT JOB OF EXPLAINING WHAT THE PROPOSED ENDEAVOR IS AND WE'LL TAKE IT HOME AND LOOK AT IT MORE IN DEPTH.
BUT I WILL ALLOW A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE IT AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON.
WHERE ARE YOUR OTHER FACILITIES LOCATED? SO WE DO NOT...
IN VIRGINIA? OH YES, VOLTA DOES NOT HAVE ANY PROJECTS CURRENTLY IN VIRGINIA, BUT IN THIS AREA, THERE ARE TWO STANDALONE BATTERY PROJECTS ONE IN CHESTERFIELD COUNTY AND ONE IN SPOTSYLVANIA COUNTY. OK, DO YOU HAVE ANY PROJECTS IN NORTH CAROLINA? NO, NO. OKAY, SO THERE'S TWO THAT WE KNOW OF IN VIRGINIA.
ONE IS ACTUALLY A CO-OP PROJECT IN SPOTSYLVANIA COUNTY AND THE OTHER IS IN CHESTERFIELD COUNTY, AND THAT WAS A PARTNERSHIP WITH DOMINION AND I THINK WHAT THE NAME IS, I ACTUALLY I DID TRY TO GET IN TOUCH WITH STAFF AT THOSE COUNTIES.
I WASN'T ABLE TO, SO MAYBE YOU'LL HAVE SOME BETTER LUCK.
BUT THE THE PROJECT IN CHESTERFIELD COUNTY IS CALLED DRY BRIDGES ENERGY STORAGE PROJECT, AND IT'S A 20 MEGAWATT UTILITY SCALE BATTERY PROJECT.
IT IS NOT CONNECTED TO ANY OTHER RENEWABLES.
THE CO-OP IS [INAUDIBLE] I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS SAYS CAPTURING ENERGY FROM DIFFERENT SOURCES, WHAT ARE THE SOURCES? SO IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, THIS PROJECT THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING POTENTIAL PROJECTS WOULD JUST CAPTURE FROM THE EXCESS POWER OFF OF THE GRID ALREADY.
SO THERE'S NOT GENERATING ANYTHING, BUT THAT LANGUAGE IS TO BE OPEN.
OR IF IT WAS, MAYBE SOMEBODY COMES UP WITH ANOTHER ANOTHER WAY TO DO IT.
BUT OURS IS SPECIFICALLY FROM CAPTURING ACCESS ENERGY FROM THE SUBSTATION DIRECTLY TO RESTORE AND THE BATTERIES THEMSELVES.
WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO SEND THAT ENERGY TO THEN? WELL, REDISTRIBUTED BACK INTO THE GRID DURING PEAK HOURS WHEN THERE'S INCREASED ENERGY DEMAND. SO ALL THAT POWER THAT WOULD BE LOST OFF OF THE GRID IS STORED AND COLLECTED IN THE BATTERIES FOR LATER USE DURING PEAK DEMAND HOURS.
AND YOU GOING TO START DURING TIMES OF EXCESS AND THEN PUT IT BACK WHEN THERE'S A DEFICIT? OKAY. AND I'LL TAKE ONE MORE QUESTION, ONE MORE.
SO HOW IS IT? I WOULD ASSUME IT'S JUST A TRACTOR TRAILER TRUCKS THEY PUT ON THE BED OF A TRUCK AND THEY TAKE IT BACK.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE ASSEMBLED ON SITE OR IF THEY ALL COME IN ONE PACKAGE, BUT I'LL DEFER TO CONNOR ON THAT.
I'VE ONLY EVER SEEN A FEW AND THEY WERE ONLY FROM THE OUTSIDE.
OKAY. YEAH, SO GREAT QUESTION.
WHAT TYPICALLY HAPPENS IS ONCE THE INITIAL GRADING IS DONE AT THE SITE FOR EACH OF THOSE CONTAINERS AND THE ACCESS ROADS AS THE CONTAINERS ARE SET AND THEN THE BATTERIES ARE THEN INSTALLED INSIDE EACH OF THEM.
OKAY. BUT I'M THINKING MORE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE SITE.
SO I WOULD ASSUME IT'S TAKEN FROM THE GRID, PUT IT PUT IN THE BATTERIES THERE. PUT IN A TRACTOR TRAILER AND IT LOOKS LIKE TRACTOR TRAILER.
YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING FOR IN AND OUT OF OF THE PROJECT.
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SO BRINGING BRINGING.TRANSMISSION LINES CONNECTED TO THOSE, SO THERE'S NO MOVING OF ANY STRUCTURES, THE BATTERIES DON'T MOVE.
IT'S. WELL, THE BATTERIES HAVE TO MOVE AT SOME POINT BECAUSE BECAUSE WHEN THEY'RE INSTALLED AND WHEN THEY'RE DECOMMISSIONED.
SO MAYBE I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING, BUT IT'S UNDERGROUND CABLING.
ARE YOU ASKING YOU ABOUT THE LOGISTICS? YES. YES, YES.
YES. SO THEY'RE BROUGHT BY TRUCKS AND THEN SET BY CRANE.
OKAY. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE. YES, EXACTLY.
SO THAT'S JUST INSTALLATION OF THIS.
AND THEN THERE'S REALLY NO TRAFFIC THAT'S AT THE SITE.
OKAY. GOTCHA. SO BASICALLY, WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS AS A CREW OF 10 FOR THIS TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION. AND THEN ONCE IT'S OPERATIONAL, YOU WILL SEE A TRUCK WITH A FEW GUYS OUT THERE AND MAYBE ONCE A MONTH TO DO SOME PERIODIC [INAUDIBLE].
CAN WE? ONE MORE, THEN WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON.
WHAT ARE THE WHAT ARE THE PADS THESE ARE SITTING ON? SO THOSE WOULD BE CONCRETE.
CONCRETE, SO YOU'RE GOING TO LAY CONCRETE AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE IT UP AFTER THE DECOMMISSIONING? THAT WOULD BE, YES, THAT WOULD BE ENCOMPASSED IN RESTORING THE SITE TO THE TRUTH COMMISSION. BUT THE ACTUAL SIZE OF THE SHIPPING CONTAINERS, THEY IT'S ONLY THE SHIPPING CONTAINERS THAT ARE ON THOSE PADS.
IT'S NOT FULLY PAVED FOR THE WHOLE SITE IF THEY'RE SPACED AND ALLOWED TO HAVE GRASS IN BETWEEN AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT THE EQUIPMENT HAD SERVED AS CONTAINMENT IN THE EVENT OF A SPILL OR WHATEVER IS REQUIRED BY OUR [INAUDIBLE] PLAN AND AND OUR [INAUDIBLE], I BELIEVE AS PART OF OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL. THANK YOU.
OK, WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE APPRECIATE YOU ALL COMING TONIGHT WITH YOUR PRESENTATION AND MS. LEWIS, OF COURSE, WILL BE IN TOUCH WITH YOU AS WE PROCEED WITH THE [INAUDIBLE] TO YOUR COMMENTS AND NOTES FOR ANY ITEMS THAT YOU SEE INCLUDED IN THE PACKET OR THE DRAFT TO TEXT AMENDMENT. WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND YOUR OF YOUR PARTNER HERE IN THIS PROCESS, SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING YOU CAN RESOLVE OR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, YOU NEED TO REACH OUT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I'LL REMIND THE BOARD MEMBERS, PLEASE KEEP UP WITH THEIR HANDS OUT TONIGHT AS WELL AS IN OUR PACKET, AND I'M SURE WE'LL DISCUSS THIS AGAIN AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
AGAIN THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON WITH SOME OTHER ITEMS IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO BE EXCUSED. YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO SO AND YOU'RE ALSO WELCOME TO STAY FOR OUR MEETING IF YOU LIKE. BUT AGAIN, THANK YOU.
OK. BUT THAT WAS KIND OF INTERESTING BECAUSE WE'VE ACTUALLY SPOKE ABOUT BATTERY STORAGE.
I DON'T KNOW, PROBABLY THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO WITH THE FIRST.
YEAH, YOU KNOW, AND AT THE TIME IS KIND OF EXPERIMENTATION.
IT WAS KIND OF AN IDEA CONCEPT AND THEY ACTUALLY COME TO LIGHT.
SO IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING THAT, UM, THAT'S BEEN DEVELOPED AND COMMERCIALLY AVAILABLE, BUT WE'LL WE'LL DISCUSS THAT MORE AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
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ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S GO BACK, UM, TO ITEM 4, OUR UNFINISHED BUSINESS.AND WITH MS. LEWIS, SHE SENT OUT ABOUT A WEEK AFTER OUR LAST MEETING ON THE WORKSHEET FOR THE THIRD SECTION. BUT BEFORE WE GO THERE, SHE ALSO INCLUDED IN OUR PACKET UM, SECTIONS ONE AND TWO WHERE WE'VE ALREADY REVIEWED AND SHE'S MADE THE NECESSARY CORRECTIONS THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED. DID ANYONE MAKE ANY NOTES ABOUT ANY OF THE UM, ADDITIONS OR CHANGES THAT SHE HAS NOTED? IS THERE ANYTHING THERE WE NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT AGAIN? HAVE SECTIONS ONE AND TWO? I DIDN'T MAKE I DIDN'T HAVE ANY NOTES MYSELF.
DID YOU ALL SEE ANYTHING BEFORE WE GO TO OUR THIRD SECTION TONIGHT? DID Y'ALL SEE ANYTHING IN THE FIRST TWO DRAFTS? WELL, THE FIRST TWO SECTIONS.
I'M GOING TO TELL YOU IF SHE GOT ALL THAT FROM LAST MEETING, SHE DID MS. MS. LEWIS DID VERY GOOD.
THAT WAS A KIND OF A LENGTH OF MEETING.
AND REMEMBER NOW WHEN WE COME BACK, IF WE GO THROUGH SECTION THREE TONIGHT AND WE
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FINISHED THAT TONIGHT, WE'LL HAVE ALSO HAVE THE MARCH MEETING TO KIND OF GO OVER ALL OF IT AGAIN. IF WE SEE ANYTHING THAT WHEN YOU COME BACK AND ADDRESS, HOPEFULLY AFTER THAT WE'LL COME BACK. WE'LL PLAN OUR PUBLIC MEETING OR PUBLIC HEARING AT THE APRIL MEETING.THE ONE THING YOU DID ASK ABOUT, I GUESS I'M JUST CLARIFICATION.
WHERE ARE WE AT? THE FIRST PAGE THAT IT'S YES, YOU'VE GOT THE HIGHLIGHT AND SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MAY NOT MODIFY THESE REGULATIONS PER THIS DRAFT? I MEAN, THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT TO.
THAT'S WHAT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.
I MEAN, THEY HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE THE REGULATIONS.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE HIGHLIGHTED NOTE.
WILL SOMEONE HELP ME? YOU'RE WELCOME TO STEP IN.
WHAT I GOT FROM THAT WAS THAT.
UM, SOME, UH, SOME OF THE LOGISTICS OF THAT PARTICULAR, UM PART OF THE DRAFT.
WE WERE KIND OF SO-CALLED ETCHED IN STONE.
BUT WHEN IT COMES OVER TO LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER AREAS THAT MODIFICATIONS CAN BE MADE IF THE GOVERNING BODY DECIDES TO DO SO LIKE THE BULK TO MAKE IT FITTING FOR A PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCE.
BUT I THINK THE CAP, SOME OF THOSE THINGS, WE WERE THINKING THAT WE DIDN'T WANT IT TO.
WE WERE HOPING THAT WOULDN'T BE CHANGED.
BUT I GUESS YOU'RE RIGHT, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CAN DO AS THEY PLEASE, BUT I GUESS WE WERE TRYING TO SAY THAT WE HOPE IT IS NOT MODIFIED.
YEAH, THEY'RE SAYING THAT THAT THE BOARD WHEN WE PUT THIS VERY STRICT CAP, UNLESS THEY TAKE ADDITIONAL ACTION TO CHANGE THIS, THEY HAVE NO FLEXIBILITY.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THEY COULD ALWAYS AMEND THE ORDINANCE.
OK. YEAH. BUT WITHOUT AN AMENDMENT OF THE ORDINANCE, THEY DON'T HAVE THE DISCRETION TO KIND OF COME CLOSE.
WELL, IT'S SO IN SOME AND IN SOME OF THE WAY THAT OUR ORDINANCES ARE WRITTEN, THEY DO HAVE SOME DISCRETION.
BUT IN THIS, IT WOULD BE ABSOLUTE.
LET ME GIVE AN EXAMPLE BECAUSE SHE'S PUT IT IN RED FOR US.
SHE'S GOING TO WALK US THROUGH IT.
IT'S LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE RATIO IS BEING CONSIDERED AND SAY ONE PERCENT.
SO IF WE'VE MET THE ONE PERCENT RIGHT, THEN THE BOARD OF DISCRETION DOESN'T HAVE ANY DISCRETION TO GO ABOVE THAT ONE PERCENT AT ALL.
ZERO, UNLESS SAY THEY WOULD MODIFY IT AND GO TO TWO PERCENT, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT SHE'S SAYING.
WELL, BUT THAT WOULDN'T MEAN TO HAVE TO BE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
SHE'S JUST POINTING THAT OUT TO US THAT WE CAN'T COME ONE POINT ZERO ONE PERCENT, RIGHT? THEORETICALLY, IS THAT IS THAT ADDRESS? YOU'RE. YEAH, [INAUDIBLE] SURE.
OKAY. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE IN THE FIRST AND SECOND SECTION THAT WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT TONIGHT? I GOT ONE QUESTION ON, YOU KNOW, I THINK MR. MANN BROUGHT UP THE IDEA OF GOING IN AND INSPECTING THE SITES.
AND I THINK MS. LEWIS ASKED YOU, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE VISITATION? HAVE WE TALKED ABOUT ANY FIRE, FIRE AND SUPPRESSION? THERE'S THAT EVEN A AN ISSUE.
WE'RE SEEING FIRE ANTS MORE AND MORE IN THE COUNTY.
AND COULD THAT BE ADDRESSED AS WELL? I KNOW IT WAS ADDRESSED IN THE NURSERY STOCK THAT HAS TO BE CERTIFIED COMING IN, RIGHT? I DON'T I DON'T KNOW ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT ANY MEASURES THEY WOULD TAKE ON SITE.
WHEN YOU'RE BRINGING IN EQUIPMENT FROM OTHER AREAS, YOU CAN BRING IN THE ANTS THERE.
THAT'S CORRECT. WHEN THEY'RE CUTTING GRASS, THEY'RE GOING FROM SITE TO SITE AND THEY CAN CARRY THEM ON THEIR MACHINES AS WELL.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO PUT SOMETHING IN THERE WITH THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR HOPEFULLY MAINTAINING THE SITE FREE OF FIRE ANTS, IF POSSIBLE.
I'LL TELL YOU, WE'LL WE'LL BRING THAT UP AT OUR NEXT MEETING AND SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME LANGUAGE PUT IN THERE TO ADDRESS THAT.
AND MAYBE WE DON'T NEED TO TIE OURSELVES JUST TO, JUST TO FIRE ANTS CORRECT.
WE NEED TO HAVE IT THAT THEY THEY MAINTAIN THEIR EQUIPMENT FOR NOXIOUS WEEDS OR OKAY OR ANY INSECTS THAT COULD BE, UM DETRIMENT TO THE COUNTY.
AND THAT'S A GOOD POINT, BECAUSE A LOT OF THE CONSTRUCTION FIRMS FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY, IT'S NOT REALLY WHAT YOU CALL LOCAL.
PREVIOUS PROJECT OF THE VOTE FROM THE SOUTHWEST PART OF THE COUNTRY, SO THAT'S A VERY
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GOOD POINT, AND WE'LL CERTAINLY ADDRESS THAT AND SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME KIND OF LANGUAGE INSERTED. OK.ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE GO FORWARD? ALL RIGHT. IF NOT, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU IF YOU PULL OUT YOUR WORKSHEET.
THIS IS THE ONE THAT SHE MAILED OUT TO US.
WE'VE HAD CERTAINLY HAD AMPLE TIME TO REVIEW IT, AND I HOPE IF YOU SAW ANY ISSUES, I HOPE YOU MADE SOME NOTATIONS AND PUT SOME QUESTION MARKS IN.
WE'LL START [INAUDIBLE] FIRST ON THE FIRST PAGE AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE THE FINAL PAGES OF FEBRUARY 2022 TO UM, I DON'T MIND READING THROUGH THIS.
IT'S JUST FOR THE SAKE OF TIME.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE A QUESTION ON THE FIRST PAGE OF THE WORKSHEET? EVERYBODY HAD THE WORKSHEET IN FRONT OF THEM.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE FIRST PAGE? MY ONLY THOUGHT IT WAS A DESIGNATED COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES OR EMPLOYEES [INAUDIBLE] OK? AND I WAS THINKING, OKAY.
FIRE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO GET IN THAT FENCE AT THAT.
WILL THEY BE DESIGNATED COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES AT THAT POINT IN TIME? THEY HAVE TO CUT A LOCK TO GET IN THERE TO GET TO A FIRE.
DO THEY BECOME DESIGNATED KIND OF OR DO WE NEED TO PUT LIMITS ON THEIR POLICE POWER FOR THINGS LIKE MY STORAGE FACILITY? THERE WAS A FIRE BACK THERE ONE TIME.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE ACTING UNDER THE POLICE POWERS OF THE GOVERNMENT.
IF THEY SEE SMOKE, THEY'RE AUTHORIZED.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE A REASONABLE, REASONABLE BASIS.
AND OBVIOUSLY, SMOKE COMING UP, I THINK, WOULD MEET THAT.
I MEAN, THERE'S AN INFERENCE THAT THERE'S DAMAGE TO PROPERTY THAT'S OCCURRING, LIKE FOR POLICE, SOMEONE SCREAMS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A BASIS THAT A POLICE OFFICER CAN CHECK ON THAT. WELL, THE POLICE POWERS WORK THE SAME WAY WITH FIREMEN.
SO IS THAT SATISFACTORY? MR. CHESSON. YES. OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE ON PAGE ONE? ITEM NUMBER ONE ON THE SECOND SECTION, THE TWENTY THREE TEN SECTION ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE AMOUNT OF ENERGY AND MEGAWATTS.
UH, MY ONLY THOUGHT PROCESS IS THE INSERTING THE WORD MAXIMUM.
SO WHAT DOES THAT DO FOR IT, WOULDN'T IT IMPROVE IT BECAUSE AS AS THESE PANELS BECOME MORE EFFICIENT AND THEY START AGING OUT, THEY REPLACE THEM PANEL BY PANEL ALL OF A SUDDEN? AND FIFTY MEGABYTE MEGAWATT FACILITY BECOMES OF TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY.
IS THAT IT GOING TO BE A CONCERN OF OURS? I PERSONALLY THINK IT WOULD. WE'RE STILL CONSUMING THE SAME FOOTPRINT AND IF WE'RE GETTING MONEY OR REVENUE FROM THE COUNTY FROM ONE FIFTY TO TWO HUNDRED, WE'RE GOING TO BE MAKING MORE MONEY AS A COUNTY IF WE DO THE FOURTEEN HUNDRED PER MEGAWATT.
SO THE MORE MEGAWATTS, THE MORE MONEY THE COUNTY BRINGS IN AND YOU'RE NOT CHANGING THE FOOTPRINT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD PUT A MIX ON IT.
I THOUGHT BETH MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.
IF WE WENT OVER A HUNDRED MEGAWATTS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THE COUNTY AWARE OF THAT CORRECT WITH THEIR. THAT'S CORRECT.
THE PERMIT IS ONLY ON MEGAWATT.
SO THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE THE COUNTY ANYWAY.
NOW, I THINK SHE MENTIONED THAT THERE'S SOME TYPE OF REPORTING THAT'S DONE AND THERE WOULD BE IF IT GOES UP, THERE WOULD BE A WIRE.
I THINK WE'RE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE FOOTPRINT AND IF IT GETS MORE EFFICIENT, THAT WOULD BE JUST MORE REVENUE FOR THE COUNTY.
ANYTHING ELSE ON PAGE ONE? WELL, IT'S GOOD TO PAGE TWO.
IT WAS AT THE TOP AND WORK DOWN.
ANYBODY SEE ANYTHING THERE THAT YOU THINK NEEDS ANY ATTENTION? ITEM NUMBER 11.
OK, THE NAME AND CONTACT INFORMATION OF THE OWNER.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE LANDOWNER OR THE EQUIPMENT OWNER? AND IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE OR THE OTHER? TO ME, I THINK WE OUGHT TO DESIGNATE THIS IS WHAT FOR PURPOSES OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT HAS A NAME ON IT, DOESN'T THAT MEAN THAT? AND THAT'S GOING TO BE THE OWNER OF THE PROJECT, NOT NECESSARILY LAND ON THEM.
OKAY, I MEAN, I I THINK I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET AT, BUT IT'S NOT SPECIFIC.
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WELL, I'M JUST SAYING THAT WE JUST BROUGHT THE EQUIPMENT OUT OF.I MEAN, THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT WHEN I WAS READING IT.
OK. SO NOTICE ANYTHING ELSE BEING PAID TO THE.
AND ITEM NUMBER 12, THE NATURAL RESOURCE INVENTORY THAT'S REQUIRED IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT.
IT TALKS ABOUT HAVE WE AS A PLANNING COMMISSION EVER BEEN PRESENTED WITH? A NATURAL RESOURCE INVENTORY THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT AND OTHER APPLICATIONS.
DOES ANYBODY RECALL? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ONE LOOKS LIKE.
OH, WELL, YOU'RE NOT IN THAT REFERRING TO THE WATERSHEDS.
I DO. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S THE TIME THAT WE'VE IT'S BEEN POINTED OUT TO US THAT CERTAIN AREAS OR WETLANDS, RIGHT, THAT HAVE A MANN RESERVE.
WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS THERE A PARTICULAR EMP OR IS THERE A PARTICULAR LISTING? COME ON. IF THAT IF THAT'S MAPPED OUT IN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR NOT, IF IT'S NOTED ON THE MAPS THAT WE SEE, WHETHER WE LOOK AT.
THEN THEY'RE IDENTIFIED THAT WAY, BUT THERE'S NOTHING THAT IDENTIFIES.
OTHER. NATURAL AREAS IN THE COUNTY OTHER THAN WETLANDS.
I MEAN, JUST THE PROPOSED AN ORDINANCE WITH THIS REQUIREMENT, AND WE NEED SOME SPECIFIC.
WELL, I'M JUST NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT, I JUST SAY AND THE SAME THING WHEN IT GOES DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER THREE WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT THIS PERENNIAL FLOW.
WHAT'S WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THERE? WHAT IS THE PERENNIAL FLOOD? WHEN THAT'S GOING TO BE THE THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT THE WATER TRAVELING, I THINK MR. DAY IS ASSUMING THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PERENNIAL VERSUS INTERMITTENT MR., ANY PERENNIAL RUNS, YOU KNOW, MOSTLY YEAR ROUND INTERMITTENT, IT'S JUST AN INTERMITTENT STREAM.
I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE REFERRING TO THERE.
ALL RIGHT, SO SO NOTE IT JUST LIKE TO LEARN, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN THE IN THE UM, £50M FOR FORESTRY. RIGHT.
WE HAD A DEBT, I THINK COMMON IN THERE THAT IT WOULD BE, UM, IF SHE FOLLOWED THE BNP AS BNP LAWS UNDER THE FORESTRY GUIDELINES.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S IN THE GRADING SECTION.
IT'S GOT IT FORCED LAND IS TO BE INCLUDED.
THE REQUIREMENTS FOR VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF FORESTRY BBMP STANDARDS SHOULD BE INCLUDED, RIGHT? OKAY.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO TO PAGE THREE.
DID YOU HAVE ANY NOTES THERE THEY THOUGHT IN REVIEWING THE WETLANDS STUFF IS DO WE REALLY CARE IF THE PANELS ARE FLOODED OR NOT? WELL. I THINK WE HAD A.
UH, YEAH, I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO CONSTRUCTION TIME, THAT'S THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEM CAN DEVELOP. OH YEAH.
CAN'T DISTURB ANYTHING. THE WETLANDS CAN BE DISTURBING THE WEAPONS DOING CONSTRUCTION.
OH, THAT'S ONLY THE TITANIUM COMPANIES CAN BE RIGHT.
ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT IN AREAS HAVING EXCESSIVE SLOPES AND HAVING HIGHLY ERODED SOILS.
WHO DEFINES AND WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF AN EXCESSIVE SLOPE? WELL, PANELS CANNOT BE ON A GREAT MORE THAN 10 PERCENT, I BELIEVE.
SOUL SCIENTISTS, SOUL CONSERVATION, THEY HAVE A CHART THAT THEY GO BACK.
THEY RATE SLAVES AND WHAT IS MORE HAZARDOUS AND WHAT IS HIGHLY RATED REFERRED TO IT.
A LOT OF TIMES IT'S HAY OF LAND.
HIGHLY REPUTABLE MANN WOODEN WOODEN.
THE COUNTY COME IN TO REGULATE SOMETHING.
I MEAN, I KNOW THEY WERE AT MY PROJECT ABOUT EVERY DAY THAT'S GOING TO BE WATCHING THE GRASS GROW. SO THAT COULD BE BOARD.
I THINK THEY'RE PRETTY INTENSE ON THAT.
ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PROJECTS THEM AND I MEAN, THEY DO A GOOD JOB, I'M
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SAYING THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THEY'RE OUT THERE AND MAYBE NOT EVERY DAY, BUT.THEY'RE OUT THERE AT LEAST THREE TIMES A WEEK.
AND IF SOMETHING ANY TYPE OF EARTH MOVING IS DONE, THEY'RE GOING TO KNOW.
SO I MEAN, IT IS A SURPRISE WHEN THEY GET THAT PERMIT.
THE COUNTY DOES A VERY DILIGENT JOB AND.
I WANT TO USE THE CORRECT WORD.
UM. EVALUATING THAT AND REGULATING THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CONTRACTOR IS NOT DOING SOMETHING IMPROPER.
THEY THEY HAVE A SET OF STANDARDS THAT THEY'RE ENFORCING.
I MEAN, MY THOUGHT PROCESS, IF YOU'VE GOT A HIGHLY IRRITABLE SOUL.
I MEAN, THE THING TO DO IS PUT PASTURE ON THAT AND LET LET THE CARROTS GROW ON IT.
WELL. I MEAN, WHAT'S WRONG WITH A SOLAR ABOUT? I WAS GOING TO. WELL, THEY STILL HAVE TO GET LIKE AN E AND S CERTIFICATE.
I MEAN, THE BUILDING CODE IS STILL.
AT ISSUE HERE, THAT'S AN OVERLAY FOR THE STATUTE.
YEAH. I MEAN, MY THOUGHT IT COULD BE IT COULD BE JUST REQUIRING A CERTAIN TYPE OF VEGETATION AND THAT THAT WOULD BE THE CONTROL MEASURE FOR HOW A REASONABLE.
I WOULD, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO APPROVE THE THE FINAL INSPECTION.
IF THERE ARE SIGNS OF EROSION, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO THE STATUTE KIND OF PLACES THAT E AND S CERTIFICATE, BECAUSE THERE'S BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS AND THEN THE ORDINANCE, I THINK IN THEORY TAKES IT TO AN.
ELEVATES IT, BUT IF THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT EROSION, THE E&S CERTIFICATE FOR THE BUILDING PERMIT WILL NEVER BE APPROVED.
AND I GUESS THE UM, THE PHILOSOPHY BEHIND IT IS IS THERE CAN'T BE SIGNIFICANT EROSION BECAUSE THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO BE THERE FOR A SIGNIFICANT PERIOD OF TIME.
SO IN THEORY, THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, WHEN HE APPROVES IT, THAT THIS SITE IS GOING TO MAINTAIN ITSELF FOR A SIGNIFICANT PERIOD OF TIME.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES.
BUT THEN AGAIN, THE VEGETATION IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE I KNOW.
NO, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT AN BOARD, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU JUST CAN'T GO UP AND CONTROL THE VEGETATION BY ANNIHILATING THE GRASS.
THE NATURAL COVER HAS TO BE ESTABLISHED AND CONTINUE TO BE, YOU KNOW, MOWED OR CUT WHATEVER. YOU CAN'T JUST GO IN AND SO-CALLED SPRAY IT TO CONTROL IT.
SO BUT THERE IS A IF THERE IS A WEAK POINT, FOR WHATEVER REASON, I'M SURE THAT IT HAD TO BE ADDRESSED AND REMEDIED IN SOME OTHER MEASURE, WHICH HAD BEEN IN PLACE BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T YOU COULDN'T ALLOW.
YOU KNOW, WASH OUT OR WHATEVER.
AND IN THOSE SITUATIONS, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE UNDERGROUND WIRING.
OKAY. AND THE ONLY OTHER THING.
NUMBER FIVE, THE SENTENCE STRUCTURE OR IS THAT DOES THAT IF NEED TO BE IS? AND THAT SENTENCE DIDN'T READ QUITE RIGHT.
AND MAYBE WE'LL JUST POINT THAT OUT FURTHER.
ALL RIGHT, WE'LL HAVE TO CHECK IT OUT.
I'LL, I GUESS I COULD GO EITHER WILLIAM MR. CHESSON, BUT WE'LL CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT AS WELL.
JUST THAT WE'RE LEAVING THE WORD IF IN THE I MEAN.
THE SENATE SHOULD GO ON, I WOULD THINK, OK? AM I READING IN NUMBER FOUR CORRECTLY THAT CLEAR CUTTING OF TREES SHALL NOT BE PERMITTED AS PART OF THE UTILITY SCALE SOLAR INSTALLATION? SO ARE WE ASSUMING THERE THAT'S GOING TO BE FARMLAND ONLY FOR SOLAR? I THOUGHT WE DISCUSSED THAT AS BEING WE DID NOT WANT TO DO JUST FIELDS.
AM I READING THAT CORRECTLY? I'LL READ IT CORRECTLY.
GOOD POINT. AND I THOUGHT WE WERE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE MORE NON FIELD SOLAR APPLICATIONS WHERE WE WERE TRYING TO BE DIVERSE, BUT THERE'D BE SOME TYPE OF RATIO, THE RATIO THAT WE HAVE ESTABLISHED NOW, RIGHT? AND FOLLOW THAT THROUGH THE.
THROUGH THE INSTALLATION PROCESS, SO THAT THAT WOULD AFFECT.
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ALL RIGHT, SO WHAT DO WE NEED TO WHAT DO WE NEED TO CHANGE? WELL, I WANT TO MAKE A NOTE OF THAT, BUT WHAT DO WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT TOO? TO MAKE TO MAKE THAT CORRECT OR NOT SHALL BE PERMITTED? BUT ONCE AGAIN, HOW DO YOU DO THAT IF YOU HAVE TO GO IN AND REMOVE STOMPS FOR A LEVEL TOPOGRAPHY, CORRECT? THEN YOU'RE UNDER THE CORP OF ENGINEER JURISDICTION.I THINK I'M NOT SURE THAT IF IT HAS TO BE STOMPED OR JUST CUT IT GRAIN, LET ANYBODY KNOW.
I WOULD THINK, I MEAN, IF YOU HAD THE RIGHT EQUIPMENT, YOU GO IN THERE AND POUND THOSE I-BEAMS RIGHT IN THE GROUND.
THEN YOU [INAUDIBLE] THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, I DON'T KNOW, WHERE IS THIS? DID YOU READ DANA TALKS ABOUT THE BUFFERS, I KNOW WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ESTABLISHING A SITE AND KEEPING THE NATURAL COVER THERE SO THAT THERE JUST WOULDN'T GO IN AND CLEAR CUT EVERYTHING AND INSTALL THE FACILITY AND THEN GO BACK AND PLANT SOMETHING IN THE BUFFERS LEAD TO ESTABLISH BUFFERS FOR THE PROJECT.
AND THEN THE BUFFERS AREAS, YES IT WOULD NOT ALLOW A CLEAR CUT IN THE TREE, EXCEPT FOR [INAUDIBLE] BUT UNLESS WE PUT IN THAT, EXCEPT FOR MAINTAINING THE WOODS, LAND CLEARED LAND RATIO STATED IN SECTION INSIDE WHERE THAT WAS, BUT.
ALL RIGHT, SO WE NEED TO FIND OUT IF THIS IS REFERRING TO THE BUFFER OR THIS IS REFERRING TO THE PROJECT ITSELF.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IT JUST STILL WON'T TAKE LONG AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
WE'LL GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON IT.
IN ITEM NUMBER FOUR, IT TALKS ABOUT IT, MAYBE THE MIDDLE AREA MIDDLE AND I TALKED ABOUT WITH AN APPROVED PLAN.
MMM! WHO APPROVES THE PLAN? IS IT AN EXTERNAL APPROVAL OR IS IT AN APPROVAL BY OUR AGENTS, THE COUNTY'S AGENTS ? LET ME WHO IS IT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THINNING, IS IT A I'M JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY WHO APPROVES THE PLAN.
IS THAT MR. DAY, IS THAT REFERRING TO THE FORESTRY REPRESENTATIVE YOU THINK? I WOULD THINK THAT, THINK THE DEPARTMENT OF FORESTRY WOULD MAYBE HELP US WITH GUIDELINES ON THAT. THAT'S KIND OF THAT'S THE WAY I'M INTERPRETED IT.
MR. CHESSON. THAT THAT WOULD BE A PERSONNEL FROM THE FORCES FAULT THAT WOULD SUGGEST WHAT THE BEST METHOD WAS, WHETHER IT BE THINNING OR CUTTING IT, THAT IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH.
WELL, I WOULD JUST LIKE SAY, I KNOW YOU WOULDN'T KNOW WHO WHO THAT PERSON IS.
I THINK THAT IS REFERRING TO THE BOARD OF FORESTRY.
ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MAKE A NOTE OF THAT, TOO.
I MEAN, WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I MEAN, I GUESS WHO'D HAVE THOUGHT WHO IT IS, RIGHT? IT THE GARDENER, RIGHT? RIGHT. I TAKE LANDSCAPER OR, YOU KNOW, AND HE APPROVES OF PLAN.
IS THAT OKAY? AND WE JUST NEED TO GET CLARIFICATION ON THAT.
ANYBODY SAY ANYTHING? JUST BRING IT TO MY ATTENTION.
IF WE'RE GOING TO BRING THIS BACK UP AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
YOU KNOW, WE COULD GO BACK TO THAT THE BUFFERS YOU CAN CUT TREES OUT OF THE BUFFER IF YOU STAY WITHIN THE BNP GUIDELINES.
SO I THINK IF WE'D STAY WITHIN THOSE GUIDELINES, WE'RE OK WITH THAT.
YOU CAN CUT 50 PERCENT OF THE CROWN COVER IN THOSE BUFFERS, SO AS LONG AS WE STAY WITHIN THOSE GUIDELINES, I THINK WE'RE ALL RIGHT.
BUT WHEN YOU CUT 50 PERCENT, ARE YOU ARE YOU STILL THINING THAT OUT SO MUCH THAT YOU CAN SEE THROUGH IT? YOU CAN, YES.
I THINK THE PURPOSE OF KEEPING THESE A BUFFER IS A BUFFER.
WELL, I THINK THE PURPOSE OF KEEPING THOSE NOW IS GREEN SCREEN SCREENING, RIGHT? WHEN WITH FORESTRY, YOU KNOW, YOU CUT 50 PERCENT, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO SEE THROUGH IT.
TYPICALLY, IT'S GOING TO GROW AT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CUT OUT MORE TREES, THAT'S GOING TO STANDS TO REASON IT'S GOING TO GROW UP AND CREATE THAT BUFFER.
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OKAY. IF YOU END UP WITH ALL OLD TREES, YOU DON'T END UP IN THE UNDERGROWTH, RIGHT? SO YOU'VE GOT TO BE YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A BALANCE BECAUSE IF YOU GO TO SCREEN AND YOU WANT, YOU WANT SOME OF THAT UNDERGROWTH GOING, SEND IT OUT TO GET DOWN TO GROW, RIGHT? OKAY. ALL RIGHT.ANYTHING ELSE ON PAGE THREE, IF NOT FOR FLIP OVER? THEN PAGE FOUR.
ANYTHING THERE? [INAUDIBLE] ITEM NUMBER THREE, ASSESSMENT OF EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES CREATED BY THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
I WOULD SUGGEST IN NUMBER SEVEN TALKS ABOUT ASSOCIATE ECONOMIC CHANGES AND IMPACTS THE RESULT FROM THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
YOU KNOW, TO ME, THAT EITHER PUT NUMBER SEVEN CLOSE TO NUMBER THREE OR EVEN MAYBE TAG NUMBER SEVEN AT THE END OF THAT AND JUST MAKE IT ONE REQUIREMENT TO INCLUDE EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES AND SOCIOECONOMIC, THEY THINK THEY'RE RELATED.
THEY ARE RELATED. SO I HAD MADE A NOTE.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE ASSESSMENT OF SHORT AND LONG TERM OPPORTUNITIES, BECAUSE I KNOW THE PREVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, TUMBLED HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF JOBS CREATED.
THEN WE FOUND OUT IT WAS MOSTLY, UM, PEOPLE FROM OTHER AREAS CAME IN TO CONSTRUCT IT.
AND IT'S NOT A LOT OF LINGERING JOBS OTHER THAN PRETTY MUCH THE GRASS CONTROL.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS SHORT AND LONG TERM EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES.
I HAD A NOTE ON NUMBER TWO AND THIS AND THIS GOES BACK, IF IT WAS IF IT WAS TO ENCOMPASS, YOU KNOW, PRIME FARMLAND.
UM. I'D LIKE TO SEE THE, YOU KNOW, JUST HOW MUCH IMPACT OR IN THAT IMPACT STATEMENT, YOU KNOW, THE PRODUCTION RECORDS MAY AT THAT POINT.
IF THE LANDOWNER IS GOING TO IS GOING TO PUT HIS LAND UP FOR POTENTIAL PROJECT, HE WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCESS THOSE RECORDS.
THE LANDOWNERS ONLY ONE, THE LAND OWNER AND THE TENANT ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT CAN, YOU KNOW, GET ACCESS TO THOSE RECORDS, BUT I LIKE TO KNOW IS IT IS IT REALLY A HIGH PRODUCING TRACK.
NOW, IF YOU'RE ON A FARM, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S SO-CALLED BETTER THAN AVERAGE YIELDS AND ALL THAT HAVE A LOT OF STATISTICS DON'T ON THE FARMING SIDE, UM, THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE AND NORMALLY THEY DON'T LIKE TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION. BUT IF YOU KNOW YOU CAN [INAUDIBLE] TRACT OF LAND.
AT THAT POINT, DON'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE.
YOU CAN SHOW THAT THERE'S THAT PREVIOUS HISTORY THAT'S NOT NECESSARY, BUT IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT MIGHT LOOK INTO BECAUSE THAT GOES BACK TO THE ECONOMIC IMPACT.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE THE IMPACT STUDY.
THEY COULD NOT GET THEIR HANDS ON THAT INFORMATION.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S CRITICAL WHEN YOU WANT TO FIND OUT WHAT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT IS WITH THE PRODUCTION OF THOSE SOILS OR THOSE TRACKS OR FIELDS OR WHATEVER, WHERE AT THAT POINT IT WOULD BE AVAILABLE, AND THEY SHOULD BE WILLING TO SHARE IT WITH US.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULDN'T DO BEFORE THE IMPACT STUDY BEFORE.
OH, I THINK THAT WAS A TRACK OUTSIDE OF COURTLAND.
THEY COULDN'T GET ACCESS TO IT.
THEY WEREN'T WILLING TO SHARE IT.
BUT I THINK I THINK IN THIS CASE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO A FULL IMPACT STUDY AH OR OR HOW IT'S GOING TO BE NEGATIVELY IMPACT? I THINK THOSE I THINK THOSE RECORDS SHOULD BE FORTHCOMING.
THAT'S JUST THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT.
I KNOW THE LANDOWNER THAT WANTS THE PROJECT TO GROW ON THEIR PROPERTY.
THEY GOT PRODUCED TO THE YIELD DATA...
RIGHT. WELL THE OTHER THING YOU KNOW, WE WE'VE BROUGHT UP ABOUT DRAIN TILE IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS. CORRECT. AND WE HAVE NEVER MENTIONED THAT ON ANY OF THESE.
AND THAT'S A GOOD THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
AND WE MIGHT NEED TO ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF OPEN LAND THAT HAS BEEN IMPROVED WITH DRAIN TILE.
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AND IT WAS PROMOTED TREMENDOUSLY IN THE SIXTIES AND SEVENTIES AND EIGHTIES.AND UM, YOU KNOW, IT CAN GENERATE THAT IF THERE'S DRAIN TILE IN AN AREA WHERE IN OPEN LAND THERE'S GOT DRAIN TILE.
AND IF FOR SOME REASON THERE IS A SPILL OF SOME SHAPE, FORM OR FASHION OF ANYTHING, I MEAN, WE'RE LOOKING IN THE FUTURE THAT DRAIN TILE IS A DIRECT AVENUE TO GO TO THE STREAMS. CORRECT.
SO, UM, I MADE A NOTE OF THAT.
THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD POINT, AND I TOTALLY HAD SLIPPED MY MIND ON THAT.
OKAY. MR. CHAIRMAN, WHAT YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT THE EO DATA, IF YOU WERE TO TAKE THE FIRST SENTENCE OF ITEM NUMBER TWO AND JUST TAG THAT TO INCLUDE YIELD DATA OR FARMLAND.
BEING PROPOSED, WOULD THAT? IT WOULD BE FARMLAND, YES.
AND I THINK THE REASON I SAY TO THE REASON I SAY FIVE YEARS, BECAUSE TYPICALLY WHEN YOU'RE ASSESSING THE PROPERTY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO LIKE, IF YOU BEING A FARMER OR TENANT, YOU LOOK AT THE FIVE YEAR DATA, YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU PROVIDE THE BEST YEAR AND THE WORST YEAR AND THE AVERAGE REMAINING THREE.
THAT'S HOW YOU COME UP WITH RENTAL PROPOSALS, THAT TYPE OF THING.
SO THAT'S WHY I MENTIONED THE FIVE YEAR.
JUST TO KIND OF GET A VERY GOOD WOULD BE.
LAST YEAR WAS A GREAT YEAR, PROBABLY TOPS OF ALL.
IT WOULDN'T BE FAIR TO TAKE THAT ONE TOP YEAR IF YOU LOOK AT AN AVERAGE SO WELL, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, CROP INSURANCE RUNS A 10 YEAR AVERAGE.
THEY LOOK AT IT 10 YEARS AT THE TIME.
WELL, IT'S VERY IT'S VERY EASY DATA TO OBTAIN.
YOU PUT YOUR TRACK NUMBER IN THE COMPUTER SPITS IT OUT, BUT YOU HAD TO BE DESIGNATED AS A TENANT OR THE OWNER.
THAT'S THE ONLY TWO HAS ACCESS TO IT.
WELL, I'M THINKING WE MIGHT JUMP BACK TO 10 YEARS.
THAT IS WHAT CROP INSURANCE AS A FEDERAL AGENCY, RIGHT, USES TO DETERMINE.
THEN THEY DROP THE HIGH AND THE LOW, SO YOU END UP WITH EIGHT YEARS.
RIGHT, RIGHT. IT'S STILL A GOOD, GOOD ASSESSMENT.
ANYTHING ELSE? ITEM NUMBER A, REQUESTING THE APPLICANT TO INCLUDE COST OF BOTH CAPITAL AND OPERATING FUNDS.
UM, I GUESS I WAS THINKING, OKAY, WELL, WHAT ARE WE ASKING FOR? IS IT? ARE WE ASKING FOR THE INITIAL CAPITAL COST? AND IF SO, THAT I WOULD THINK ABOUT OPERATING FUNDS OR WE'RE LOOKING FOR AN OPERATING BUDGET. I MEAN, THAT'S ALL THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE IS A PROPOSED BUDGET THAT'S GOING TO INCLUDE INCOME AND EXPENSES.
I MEAN, TO JUST SAY OPERATING FUNDS.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I MEAN, IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT IN THERE, I WOULD RECOMMEND.
MR. RANDALL WHAT'S YOUR ANALOGY ON THAT.
HOW DO YOU INTERPRET NUMBER EIGHT? I MEAN, I THINK IT'S JUST A PLAIN WRITING OF IT, UM.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN GET MUCH MORE SPECIFIC UNLESS MR. CHESSON HAS SOME TYPE OF ENLIGHTENMENT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR, AT LEAST FROM MY PLAIN READING OF WHAT I GUESS MS. LEWIS PUT THAT DOWN.
WHAT WOULD YOU SUGGEST MR. CHESSON? WELL, I MEAN, I FIRST HAD THE THOUGHT PROCESS OR QUESTION TO SAY, WELL, WHY DO WE NEED THIS OR WHY WOULD WE WANT EVEN WON'T THIS? SO IF NOT, IF WE DON'T JUST DELETE IT OR IF YOU TO INCLUDE IT? YOU KNOW, TO ME, IT'S REPLACING CAPITAL WITH INITIAL CAPITAL COST AND REPLACING THE OPERATING FUNDS TO AN OPERATING BUDGET.
AND MR. CHESSON HAS GOT A BACKGROUND IN BANKING, BUT WE POINT THAT OUT.
WELL AND REMEMBER, TOO, WE'RE GETTING WE'RE GETTING SOME OF THIS OUTLINE FROM THE CAROLINE COUNTY ORDERS CORRECT? SO WE NEED TO GET A FURTHER EXPLANATION ON THAT.
SO I'VE GOT A NOTE ON IT AS WELL.
WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT INJECTING THE WORD COST CAPITAL COST AND AN OPERATING BUDGET DOING THAT IN COMPARISON.
I MEAN, I LIKE I LIKE THAT IDEA.
I DON'T THINK THAT HURTS IN ANY WAY.
WELL, LET'S GO OVER TO PAGE FIVE.
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MY ONLY NOTE IT IS JUST ON THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, IS THAT REALLY NEEDED? I MEAN TO ME, THAT'S.WELL, WE KIND OF KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT.
ALL I CAN SAY IS, YOU GOT TO REMEMBER THAT IF NEWSOME [INAUDIBLE] PROJECT PROJECT WAS NOT REALLY ON MY BEATEN PATH, EVEN THOUGH, I DO HAVE A FARM ADJACENT TO ONE ONE OF THE PORTS.
BUT IT WAS IT WAS PROBABLY IN EXCESS OF FIVE HUNDRED PEOPLE WORKING THAT PARTICULAR CONSTRUCTION JOB WHEN IT CAME TO BE AND A LOT OF A LOT OF HEAVY EQUIPMENT, A LOT OF I MEAN, IT WAS JUST FLEETS OF TRUCKS AND THINGS, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK AND FORTH.
AND IF YOU WERE ON THAT CORRIDOR BETWEEN THE, I'M GOING TO CALL IT [INAUDIBLE] YARD FROM THAT POINT WHERE EVERYBODY HAD MET AT IN THE MORNING AND THEN GOING OUT TO THE DIFFERENT SITES, IT WAS IT WAS A LOT OF CONGESTION.
BUT UM, I KNOW, I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM BECAUSE IT'S NOT.
IT'S JUST A CONSTRUCTION PHASE, ACTUALLY.
I THINK IT WOULD BE AN ISSUE IF IT'S ON HIGHWAY 58 OR ANY OTHER MAJOR ARTERY.
RIGHT, BECAUSE IF YOU CREATE ANY CONGESTION ON 58 CORRECT, IT IS GOING TO BE A DANGER TO PEOPLE TRAVELING THAT HIGHWAY AND MOSTLY THE THESE ARE [INAUDIBLE] I CALL IT KIND OF LIKE BACK ROADS, BASICALLY.
SO IT WOULD IF IT WAS ON 460 OR 58 OR 35, IT WOULD IT WOULD BE WORN.
I'M SURE THAT'S FINE. THAT'S FINE.
I MEAN, AND I IN THIS CASE WITH NEWSOMS, IT WAS ON, UM, 671, AND THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT OF TRUCK TRAFFIC ON THAT.
SO IT HAS AN IMPACT DURING CONSTRUCTION TIME ON THE ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF TRUCK TRAFFIC.
AND [INAUDIBLE] YARD WAS ON SIX SEVENTY ONE, BY THE WAY.
SO THAT IT ACTUALLY MAY BE WARRANTED.
OK. IT DOESN'T TAKE LONG TO BUILD IT TODAY, BUT IT'S IT'S BIZARRE WHEN IT'S GOING ON.
ANYTHING ELSE ON PAGE FIVE? IF NOT, LET'S FLIP OVER TO PAGE SIX.
PAGE SIX AT THE TOP IS NUMBER 14, A HISTORIC RESOURCE IMPACT ANALYSIS, ANYTHING ON PAGE SIX? AND WITH ARCHEOLOGICAL SITES OR ARCHITECTURAL STRUCTURES.
LIKE I SAID, A LOT OF THIS INFORMATION, I THINK IS COPIED FROM THE CAROLINE ORDINANCE.
WE THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD ORDINANCE TO KIND OF COPY COPY FROM.
SOUTHAMPTON HAS A POTENTIAL FOR A LOT OF ARCHEOLOGICAL SITES.
YES. SO HAVING IT, IT'S BASED ON A U.S.
DEPARTMENT OF HISTORIC RESOURCES GUIDE.
AND THAT IS PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE, DO YOU THINK? DO YOU THINK IT'S ADEQUATE MRS. ALSTON? IS THIS COVERING ALL THE POINTS YOU THINK? I BELIEVE IT IS BECAUSE I I'VE READ THERE ORDINANCE AND UM.
I THINK THAT IF YOU USE THAT AS A REFERENCE, THEN YES.
OKAY. WHEN SOMETHING YOU MAY WANT TO LOOK AT AN ITEM TO WHERE IT SAYS THAT ARCHITECTURAL STRUCTURES WHERE IT SAYS 2B.
IT TALKS ONLY ABOUT DEMOLITION.
IT MAY BE A STRUCTURE THAT IS NECESSARY TO ACTUALLY MOVE IT [INAUDIBLE] TAKE IT DOWN.
AND I'M NOT SO SURE WE MIGHT NOT OBJECT INCLUDE IN THAT THAT IS POSSIBLE.
THIS COULD BE REQUIRED TO BE MOVED.
HISTORIC PRESERVATION? THAT'S RIGHT. SO IT PROBABLY SHOULD BE ADDED.
UM, HOW WOULD YOU HOW WOULD YOU WANT TO WORD THAT TO BE PROPER? I GUESS I DON'T KNOW HOW TO WORD IT.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT WE MADE IT INCLUDE IN THERE THAT THAT SOME HISTORIC STRUCTURES MAY BE REQUIRED TO BE TO BE MOVED, PHYSICALLY MOVED AND NOT TORN DOWN.
ALL RIGHT. AND THE FACT THAT ARCHEOLOGICAL REPORTS AND ARCHEOLOGICAL AND ARCHITECTURAL STUDIES ARE SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY FOR REVIEW.
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YOU'VE GOT TWO YEARS OF EXAMINATION, SO THAT'S A SAFETY RIGHT THERE THAT WE DON'T LOSE SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE TO THE COUNTY.OKAY. ARE WE GOOD ON PAGE SIX? ALRIGHT THEN FLIP OVER TO PAGE SEVEN.
ANY NOTATIONS THERE? I LIKE MICHAEL'S BERM, SO THE COMMENT SECTION WHERE [INAUDIBLE] WAS ASKING, DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO REQUIRE? FOUR FOOT TALL BURNS ON RIGHT AWAY, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE REQUIRE IN SOME CASES.
I THINK, WE MIGHT WANT TO USE IT, I DON'T I'D HATE TO DELETE THEM.
OK. I THINK YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT IN CERTAIN INSTANCES WHERE THERE MIGHT BE A GLARE FROM LIGHTS OR A REFLECTION THAT THE BERM WAS THE BEST WAY TO GO.
WELL, YOU LOOK AT YOUR BUFFERS.
I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT A LOT OF THE FACILITIES IN NORTH CAROLINA, THEY HAVE A BUFFER [INAUDIBLE] AND IN THEY'RE THERE.
BUT ON PAPER, BUT LITERALLY THEY ARE NOT BUFFERING ANYTHING.
AND UH, WHEREAS A BERM IS GOING TO BUFFER AND YOU CAN PUT [INAUDIBLE] GROWING, UM, SHRUBBERY OF BUSHES ON IT.
I DON'T KNOW. IT CAN. IT'S AN INSTANT.
UM. SCREEN SCREEN, EXACTLY SOUTHAMPTON SCREEN.
AND WITH THE FACILITY WE HAD IN THE NEWSOMS BOARD AREA, THEY THEY GAVE AWAY GAVE AWAY A LOT OF TOPSOIL. AND WHICH IS GOING TO COME INTO PLAY WHEN THEY CLAIM THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IT BACK, LIKE THEY THINK IF THEY MOVED THE TOPSOIL OFF AND GAVE IT AWAY, THEY'LL NEVER PUT IT BACK LIKE THEY THINK UNLESS THEY'RE PLANNING ON BUYING THE SAME TONNAGE OF TOPSOIL AND PUTTING IT BACK OUT THERE.
BUT MY POINT IS THEY MOVE A LOT OF EARTH SO THAT SOME OF THAT SAME SOIL CAN BE USED TO MAKE THE BERM. IT'S NOT SO MUCH AS AN EXTRA COST AS IT IS THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE IT.
AND WE'RE HOPING, HOPING THIS ORDINANCE WILL RETRO FIRE THAT.
VERY GOOD POINT. WHICH IF YOU HAVE TO PUT A TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, IT AFFECTED OTHER BUSINESSES IN THE COUNTY BECAUSE THE BUSINESSES THAT WE'RE IN, IN THE BUSINESS OF SELLING SOIL, THAT'S JUST DIRECTLY COMPETED.
THERE'S NO WAY THAT YOU CAN GIVE THAT THAT WOULD GIVE IT AWAY IF YOU BROUGHT A TRUCK TO HAUL IT AWAY. NO CHARGE FOR LATE AND NOT JUST COME GET IT TOPSOIL, TOPSOIL, ANY MATERIAL THAT THEY THEY CLASSED AS A OVERBURDEN FOR THEM, RIGHT? ALL RIGHT. SO DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE ABOUT THE FOUR FOOT BAR OR USE IT AS NEEDED? HOW DO. WHAT IS YOUR WHAT IS YOUR FEELING ON THAT? WELL, SHE MENTIONS ABOUT THE ELEVATION, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE THE ELEVATION IS ALREADY THERE.
WELL, WE WANT TO MAKE A REQUIREMENT.
OUR UNITY [INAUDIBLE] I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF ELEVATION AT ALL.
IT'S JUST FLAT. NOW YOU CAN GET ON THE WESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY.
YOU CAN HAVE THAT TYPE OF SITUATION.
BUT UM. AND THEY SEEM TO LIKE FLAT AREAS ANYWAY.
I THINK WE SHOULD LEAVE IT, LEAVE IT AS IS.
OKAY. ALRIGHT ANY OTHER COMMENT THAT ON PAGE SEVEN.
ANY OTHER CHANGES OR ANY OTHER DISCUSSION LOOKING AT THE HEADING THAT'S GOT LANDSCAPE AND NOXIOUS WEED PLAYING? IS THAT WHERE WE WANT TO PUT INSECTS? THE INSECTS IN ANOTHER SECTION.
JUST SAYING, IF THAT RANDALL THINK IT WAS, UM, MRS. ALSTON ABOUT THE.
UM. WAS IT THAT? SORT OF CERTIFIED NURSERY STOCK, WANT TO SAY I [INAUDIBLE].
BUT WE GOT TO INSERT IT SOMEWHERE.
AND IT DOESN'T HURT TO PUT IT TO PLACES.
AND THAT'S TRUE. ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO OVER TO PAGE EIGHT.
THE FIRST. ANYBODY HAVE ANY NOTES ON THAT? ANY CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS? NOW, IF YOU NOTICE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PAGE IN HER LISTENERS COMMENT, SHE MENTIONS, DO
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YOU WANT TO ADD A PEST MANAGEMENT PLAN? IT JUST IT'S JUST A PLACE TO PUT THAT ABOUT THE INSECTS.THAT'S A PEST MANAGEMENT, CORRECT? YES. DID YOU ASK THE OTHER TESTS OTHER THAN FIRE ANTS? WELL. I DON'T OH, THE OTHER FOREIGN.
THEY MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT WE ARE AWARE OF NOW TODAY, BUT 20 YEARS FROM NOW, WE NEED TO LEAVE THAT DOOR OPEN FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, FINANCE.
TWENTY YEARS AGO, I'D NEVER HEARD OF THEM.
AND I GUESS MAYBE JUST BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THEM IN THE AREA.
SO THERE'S GOING TO BE OTHER TESTS THAT'S JUST LIKE WITH COTTON PLANT BOLL WEEVIL IS A A A PEST.
IT BECAME..WHAT'S THE BEE, MURDER BEES? WELL, YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.
WE WANT TO WORD IT SO THAT WE KEEP THE DOOR OPEN TO CAUSE A LOT OF, UM.
WELL, GO BACK TO OUR, YOU KNOW, FARMING BACKGROUND.
A LOT OF EQUIPMENT, THINGS THAT WE USE ON THE FARM, IF IT'S IF IT'S BROUGHT IN FROM IF IT'S BROUGHT IN THE STATE FROM ANOTHER LOOK OUT, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE INSPECTED AND CERTIFIED CLEAR OR CLEAN OF ANY NOXIOUS WEEDS OR INSECTS.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I MEAN THINGS.
IT COULD BRING IN A REAL ORDEAL, YOU KNOW, IF YOU BRING IN THINGS FROM OTHER AREAS, I THINK ABOUT THE BOLL WEEVIL.
RIGHT NOW, WE'VE KIND OF WE KIND OF ERADICATED THE BOWEVILL IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA AND NORTH CAROLINA. THEY STILL HAD TROUBLE DOWN IN THE TEXAS AREA, BUT WE'VE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB OF NOT BRINGING THAT PEST BACK TO THE AREA TO THIS LOCAL AREA.
THIRTY YEARS AGO, THE STATE WAS ACTUALLY EQUIPMENT THAT WAS BROUGHT IN.
IF THEY FIND ANY INSECTS THAT WERE NOT ALREADY A PROBLEM IN THE STATE, THEY WOULD ACTUALLY TENT THE EQUIPMENT AND FUMIGATE IT SO THAT THEY KILLED ANYTHING THAT WAS ON THAT EQUIPMENT. AND UM, AND THAT WAS PART OF THE PROGRAM THAT WE PAID INTO.
BUT EVEN WITH FORESTER EQUIPMENT, WHEN [INAUDIBLE] FIRST STARTED, THEY QUARANTINED THAT EQUIPMENT IN A CERTAIN KIND UNLESS IT WAS CLEANED BEFORE IT MOVED TO ANOTHER ONE.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT'S HOW THE GYPSY MOTH GOT SPREAD SO RAMPANTLY.
OKAY. WELL, THERE'S ANOTHER THING ABOUT GYPSY MOTH.
GYPSY MOTH, THERE'S JUST THERE'S JUST THINGS THAT CONSTANTLY CROP UP, AND MAYBE WE NEED TO INCLUDE THE FORESTER SERVICE, THE USDA AND WHATEVER.
I MEAN, I'VE YEARS BACK IN THE 70S, WE PUT UP A WIND BREAK AND IT WAS DESIGNED BY SOIL CONSERVATION. THESE WERE ALL THESE ENGINEERS AND TALENTED PEOPLE.
TODAY, I'VE GOT A WIND BREAK THAT TO ONE THIRD OF IT IS A NOXIOUS WEED [INAUDIBLE] IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA. AND BUT YET IT WAS RECOMMENDED IN THE SEVENTIES, SO STUFF CAN CHANGE OVER TIME. ALL RIGHT.
PAGE EIGHT. ANYTHING THERE, ANYTHING ELSE I GOT TO? WE'RE GOING TO ADD TO NOXIOUS WEEDS AND UM.
BE SURE, SURE, WE'VE GOT IT COVERED SOMEWHERE.
I THINK THAT'S PRETTY. PRETTY CLEAR.
WE'LL FLIP OVER TO PAGE NINE THE FIRST, THE PHRASE BEING PHASED IN PLAN.
ANYTHING THERE IN YOUR NOTES THERE? I DIDN'T I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING.
I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE COMMENCEMENT OF CONSTRUCTION, IF THAT HAPPENS AND.
YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T GET AN EXTENSION.
YOU HAD TO COME BACK AND REAPPLY.
UM. AFTER 24 MONTHS, I THINK WE THINK WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT BEFORE, ANYTHING ELSE ON PAGE NINE. EIGHT MANN THE LAST PAGE.
GO AHEAD. THINK ABOUT MS. STATE DEPARTMENT AND LOOKING AT BEST COMMENT ON PAGE NINE TALKING ABOUT.
SHE WAS I THINK HER THOUGHT PROCESS WAS IF WE WERE WANTING TO REQUIRE A PLAN THAT WOULD GO IN THIS SECTION, I GUESS, THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY I'M READING.
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START STARTED CONSTRUCTION SHE WANTS, IT SEEMS LIKE SHE WANTS TO PUT SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES. MORE TO THIS SECTION.MAYBE WE SHOULD ASK HER FOR SOME LANGUAGE THEY.
UM. NOW DO YOU INTERPRET THIS TO BE, UM, MAYBE A TRACT WHERE IT CURRENTLY HAS TIMBER THAT MAY BE CONSIDERED IS THAT IS THAT THE WAY YOU'RE READING THIS? AND TO GET THE DEPARTMENT OF FORESTRY ABOUT WHAT THE YEAH, WE'LL GET CLARIFICATION ON THAT AS WELL, OKAY? THAT'S THE WAY I INTERPRET IT, MR. DE YOU GOT A COMMENT ON THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT JUST LOOKS CONTRADICTORY TO WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT AND, UH, SECTION FOUR ABOUT CLEAR CUTTING OF TREES, RIGHT? IS IT GOING TO BE PERMITTED OR NOT PERMITTED AND HERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CUTTING THE TIMBER AND GETTING TO THE OPINION OR PLAN FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF FORESTRY, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
I THINK WE NEED TO CLARIFY WHAT WE'RE WHAT OUR INTENT IS THERE WITH, HOW MUCH FARMLAND, HOW MUCH TIMBERLAND DO WE WANT TO MAYBE SPECIFY FOR SOLAR PROJECTS? WELL, WE'LL BE FOLLOWING THE RATIO OF WHAT WE'VE GOT, RIGHT, SO HOW IT'S GOING TO EFFECT A PROJECT THAT'S BEING PRESENTED AND MR. MANN DO WE? IT SEEMS LIKE I'M TRYING TO RECALL THE LAST MEETING AND I REMEMBER SEEING THE NOTES THEY WILL PROBABLY DECIDE ABOUT THAT RATIO.
WE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT LETTING ONE OF THE DEPARTMENTS COME UP WITH THAT RATIO OR WE ARE WE GOING TO SET THAT RATIO? I DON'T THINK WE WE I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN SET IT, BUT I BASICALLY, AFTER THE MEETING, JUST WENT HOME AND GOOGLED, YOU KNOW, THE CORRECT AMOUNT OF TOTAL ACREAGE IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA. AND THEN I GOOGLED AMOUNT OF FOREST ACRES AND AND KIND OF DID THE DIFFERENCE.
AND I GUESS YOU, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T GO THERE AND PULL OUT RESIDENTIAL AREAS, BUT I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF MATH, REALLY.
FORESTRY DEPARTMENT CAN COME UP WITH THAT ACREAGE.
I GUESS WE NEED TO SIT. WE MAY NEED TO SET THOSE PARAMETERS.
BUT DOUG BROUGHT UP A BIT AT THE BOTTOM OF PAGE NINE, IF YOU NOTICE ON THE COMMENTS, SHE'S ASKING US, DO WE WANT THE 12 MONTHS TO ALSO REQUIRE START OF CONSTRUCTION AS WELL? TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT SECTION, TWENTY THREE POINT NINE.
I MEAN, TO TALK TODAY, THEY CAN EXTEND IT, BUT THEY CANNOT EXTEND IT BEYOND TWENTY FOUR MONTHS, BUT IT DOESN'T SPELL OUT.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT AT SOME POINT THEY GOT TO START CONSTRUCTION.
AND I THINK STARTING CONSTRUCTION, THE DEFINITION WOULD BE ANYTHING THEY DO, THEY REALLY WHERE IT COULD BE, YES, I GUESS SURVEYING, CORRECT? I GUESS.
DO YOU WANT TO THINK A BIT MORE THAN THAT, BUT I GUESS IT'S JUST THE IDEA OF PUTTING YOURSELF IN TRANSIT? THEY SAY THEY'VE STARTED CONSTRUCTION, SO WHAT DO YOU THINK WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC? SO THEY CAN SPEND 24 MONTHS SURVEYING THINGS.
MR. RANDALL, WHAT DO YOU HOW COULD WE PUT A LITTLE MORE TEETH INTO THAT SO FAR? IS THE CONSTRUCTION STARTING TO BE MORE THAN JUST PUTTING THE DRIVEWAY IN, I MEAN, WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING BEING ACCURATE IN THE GROUND AND SOME DIGGING AND WE'RE THINKING ABOUT SOME ACTUAL WORK BEING PERFORMED.
HOW WOULD YOU WORD THAT? I THINK WE NEED TO SEND IT TO BETH LEWIS AND HAVE THE CODE ENFORCEMENT FOLKS PUT TO SAY,
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SAY, WE WANT SOME MORE TEETH IN IT AND LET THEM.BECAUSE IT CAN LOOK BEAUTIFUL ON PAPER, RIGHT, BUT HAVE NO TEETH FOR ENFORCEMENT.
RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS ENFORCEMENT.
SO THE WAY I LEARN IS ACTUALLY DOING IT, AND SOMETIMES I CAN THINK THEORETICALLY ABOUT SOMETHING AND IT LOOKS REALLY GOOD.
BUT IT HAS NO IMPACT IN THE COURTROOM, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
OKAY. IT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL ON PAPER, AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS GOING TO WORK OUT REALLY GREAT.
AND THEN I'LL WALK IN COURT, AND THE JUDGE DOESN'T THINK IT WAS VERY ELOQUENT.
UM, I'VE HAD THAT HAPPEN FIRSTHAND, SO I WOULD HAVE THEM TAKE A CRACK AT IT AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF COME AT IT FROM EACH DIRECTION.
ALL RIGHT. AND ANY OF THE OTHER COMMENTS ON PAGE NINE HAVE BEEN OUR LAST PAGE CORRUPTION, I THINK. THANK YOU ALL FOR REVIEWING THAT.
I REALLY APPRECIATE. YOU KNOW, UH, MS. LEWIS COMING UP WITH THIS FORMAT, THIS HAS MADE IT A LOT EASIER.
YOU KNOW, THERE WERE SIX AT THE TIME AND WE'RE GETTING WE'RE GETTING THERE.
WE'RE GETTING THERE. AND WHEN WE COME BACK, I'VE MADE NOTATIONS.
BUT EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS AND THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD WHEN WE COME BACK AT OUR NEXT MEETING, WE'LL SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME ON.
GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON THOSE POINTS.
AND THEN WE'RE A REVIEW OF EVERYTHING THAT SHE HAS SUBMITTED SO FAR.
AND UM, HOPEFULLY IF EVERYBODY IS SATISFIED AT THAT POINT, HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO SCHEDULE A HEARING.
UM, THAT WOULD BE A AT THE APRIL MEETING.
POSSIBLY WE BE TALK ABOUT MEETING WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ABOUT THIS ONCE WE GET IT ALL IRONED OUT BEFORE WE GO TO A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE DID, DIDN'T WE? YEAH, THE BOARD WOULD LIKE THAT.
OKAY. WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A JOINT MEETING.
YEAH, THAT THAT WAY WE HAVE A JOINT MEETING AND AND IN THAT CASE, IT WOULD BE BACK IN PUBLIC AND WE INVITE YOU TO OUR MEETING.
OKAY. WHEN WE GOT A LOT OF MEETINGS, WE DON'T NEED IT THERE.
WE WANT TO GET WE WANT TO MOVE ALONG, YOU KNOW, BEFORE YOU ALL GET IN YOUR BUDGET PROCESS AGAIN. THE BOARD PURPOSELY WANTED TO GET TOGETHER.
OKAY? IT'S A VERY COMPLEX ISSUE.
UH, SO WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD BE FITTING JUST TO KIND OF GIVE US A HEADS UP? WOULD IT BE THE WOULD IT BE SOMETIME AT OUR MARCH MEETING? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE THINKING? WOULD WE BE? YES, WE WOULD NEED MARCH TO KIND OF ON ALL THIS EIGHT AND THEN LOOK TO AFTER THE HIGH BY OTHER THAN APRIL OR MAY OR SOMETIME IN THE END.
BUT WE GOT TO LEAVE ENOUGH TIME BECAUSE WE NEED THIS DONE BY AUGUST.
AND WE GOT THAT SEPTEMBER ON SEPTEMBER 9TH.
LIKE, WE DON'T WAIT THE LAST MINUTE JUST IN CASE WE GOT ALL THOSE 30 DAY ADVERTISING.
SO I'D RECOMMEND WE GO AHEAD AND GET IT ALL FINALIZED AND BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING, SORT OF MEET ME.
OKAY, SO WE'LL WE'LL MAKE ANOTHER THERE.
THAT GIVE US PLENTY OF TIME, SEPTEMBER NINE, IS THE MAGIC DAY, RIGHT? OKAY. YOU RATHER INVITE US TO YOUR MEETING INSTEAD OF US INVITING YOU TO OURS, AND I UNDERSTAND WE DON'T LIKE TO INVITE YOU TO OUR MEETING ONE DAY.
YOU'RE NOT ADDING ANOTHER MEETING TO YOUR SCHEDULE.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE EVERY MONTH FROM NOW ON [INAUDIBLE] YOU KNOW, GETTING A NEW ADMINISTRATOR IN THE COURTHOUSE AND OH, YEAH.
ALL RIGHT, WELL, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR DUE DILIGENCE HERE IN ANY OF THE COMMENTS BEFORE WE GO TO, UM, THE COMMENT PERIOD.
IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS BEFORE THE BOARD BEFORE WE GO FORWARD? ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU ALL FOR THAT.
SO AT THIS TIME, WE WILL GO DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
[VI. PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD ]
AT THIS TIME. I WILL INVITE ANYONE FROM THE AUDIENCE.IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK TO US ABOUT YOU'RE WELCOME AND COME FORWARD NOW. WE JUST ASK THAT YOU RECITE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, FOR THIS KIND OF PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS OPEN.
[INAUDIBLE] GOOD EVENING, SIR.
AND I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND THOROUGH PREPARATION TO
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[INAUDIBLE] ORDNANCE, THANK YOU.I JUST WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION, I DON'T KNOW THAT OUR LAST MEETING OR SUPERVISORS MEETING, THEY LEFT.
THE NEW ADDITION OF ANY ECONOMIC REVIEW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL HAVE SEEN.
HAVE YOU DID YOU ALL GET ONE ON ONE? NO, NO, I HAVE NOT SEEN THIS.
THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS IN IT CONCERNING NEW TECHNOLOGIES, AND IT'S ALREADY BEEN WRITTEN THE WAY VIRGINIA IS GOING.
AND HAVING READ THIS, AND I WAS GOING BACK THROUGH IT A SECOND TIME EARLIER THIS MORNING.
OH. OR I'VE COUNTY, WHETHER WE DO ANYTHING OR NOT IN VIRGINIA AND THIS MAGAZINE WILL ILLUSTRATE IT, AND IT'S INTERESTING TO ME OF ALL THE NEW TECHNOLOGIES THAT THEY TALK ABOUT IN HERE. THEY DON'T HAVE ONE PICTURE OF A SOLAR FACILITY.
AND THEY'VE GOT HIGH RISE HYDROPONIC BUILDINGS THEY'VE GOT, UH, SHADOW PROCESSING CENTERS ALL OVER THE STATE THAT ARE GOING UP.
AND AND IN THIS MAJOR INTERVIEW IN HERE, IT STATED THAT THE PERSON THAT COMES UP WITH THE TECHNOLOGY IS THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO REAP ALL BENEFITS.
AND IT LEAVES YOU TO WONDER WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR ALL OF THIS.
AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY QUESTION IT WOULD BE.
US AND RESIDENTS OF THE COUNTY AND OTHER RURAL VIRGINIANS, OUTSIDE OF THIS HIGH TECH WORLD.
MOST RECENTLY, I'M SURE THAT YOU ALL HAVE FOLLOWED THE.
SITUATION IN CANADA WITH THE PROTEST BY THE TRUCK DRIVERS.
AND I WAS TALKING TO MY WIFE THIS MORNING ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR INCIDENT AND HOW MOST OF THE ENTREPRENEURS IN A CERTAIN SECTION OF OUR COUNTRY HAD TO BE LAUGHING AT THAT.
THE REASON IS THEY'RE NOT GOING TO EVEN NEED TRUCK DRIVERS.
IN PULASKI, I'M SURE YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE VOLVO PLANT UP THERE THAT'S ALREADY RETROFITTING CHASIS FOR TRACTOR TRAILERS TO HAUL THIRTY THOUSAND.
AND THEY'RE RETROFITTING THE CHANCES RIGHT NOW FOR THE BATTERY OPERATED TRUCKS TO BE AUTONOMOUS AND PORT.
PRETTY GOOD ARTICLE IN HERE, BUT AND FORTUNATELY.
THAT WILL DO AWAY WITH MANPOWER TO UNLOAD THOSE CONTAINER UNITS AND SO YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
HERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT JOBS, JOBS, JOBS, I HEAR IT ALL THE TIME, AND I KNOW YOU DO.
THIS IS SHOCKING TO SAY THE LEAST, WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING GOING OVER A SOLO ORDINANCE.
IN A 20 YEAR LIFESPAN, MAYBE EVEN A 30 YEAR LIFESPAN.
WHAT'S GOING ON? LAND AND SOUTHAMPTON IS TOTALLY, TOTALLY UNPREDICTABLE.
AND SO I JUST HOPE YOU GET A CHANCE TO READ THIS NEW ISSUE.
SO WE'VE GOT PICTURES OF CITIES AND WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
AND. WHAT AGRICULTURE IN THOSE CITIES IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE WITH HIGH RISE AGRICULTURE GOING UP? DIRTLESS, MEATLESS, IT'S ALL KINDS OF CHANGES, AND WE'RE GOING TO END UP HAVING TO PAY FOR IT, WITH NO WAY TO DO IT.
BUT ANYWAY, THEY ARE MY COMMENTS, AND BY THE TIME WE GET TO JOINT MEETING.
WE'RE INTERESTED IN YOUR IDEAS AND THOUGHTS.
THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, GETTING BACK TO SOLAR POWER, UM.
WE WE'VE DRAWN UP, I THINK IT'S EXTREMELY PROTECTIVE, AND I THINK IT'S VERY WISE BECAUSE YOU SEE WHAT'S GOING ON IN EUROPE NOW.
WIND POWER OR SOLAR POWER, THEY HAVE DISCOVERED IT'S EXTREMELY INEFFECTIVE AND VERY EXPENSIVE. GAS IN FRANCE IS ABOUT 19 DOLLARS A GALLON NOW, AND THEY'RE STARTING TO GO
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BACK TO NUCLEAR POWER, WHAT THEY CALL SMALLER SMALL UNITS.SO, I DON'T SEE SOLAR POWER IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT GOT TO HELP THIS COUNTRY.
I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE A TRANSIENT THING.
A LOT OF POLITICAL PULL AND POWER BEHIND IT.
SO I THINK WHAT WE DID, WE SAT DOWN AND HAMMERED THIS THING OUT AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE SPENT A LONG TIME ON THIS THING.
YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'VE DONE THE RIGHT THING BECAUSE I THINK THE LIMITS THAT WE PUT ON IT ARE VERY, VERY PRACTICAL, VERY REAL.
WELL, I THINK IT'S I THINK SOLAR POWER IS GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT, BUT I THINK WHERE IT'S GOING OUT, THE IMPACT IS THE INDIVIDUALS, THE THE SMALL, LOW SOLAR PANEL THAT CONTROLS THAT STOP LIKE WAY OUT IN THE COUNTRY, THE HOMES THAT HAVE IT, BUT TO FORCE SOLAR FACILITIES. THE THOUSAND AND TWO THOUSAND AND THE FIVE THOUSAND SIZE FACILITIES AND THE TAXPAYER HAS TO COME UP WITH THE MONEY TO CREATE THE TAX WRITE OFFS FOR THE MAJOR COMPANIES THAT I THINK IS A WASTE OF OUR TIME AND A WASTE OF OUR MONEY.
BUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE ENERGY INDUSTRY AS FAR AS? THEN THERE'S MORE PEOPLE WON'T HAVE A JOB SEE THIS TECHNOLOGY.
MORE TECHNOLOGY WOULD GET MEDICINE THE FEWER JOBS, THEY ARE FOR PEOPLE.
NO WIN SITUATION A LOT OF TIMES WITH THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS, BUT UH.
UM. BUT THAT SEEMS THE WAY WHERE WE'RE GOING.
COME BACK ON TO THE FRONT. THE PUBLIC HEARINGS IS STILL STILL OPEN.
I CAN'T HELP BUT WONDER THERE'S A COST THAT'S NOT ASSOCIATED.
WELL, THEY DON'T TALK ABOUT ANY SAVINGS.
THEY NEVER TALK ABOUT SAVINGS.
BUT I GOT TO ASK IN THESE NEW FACILITIES.
WHAT'S IT COST OF FOSSIL FUELS TO PUT THOSE CITIES UP? ALL OF THIS IS GOING TO REQUIRE THAT.
BUT YET OUR COUNTY IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE FUEL THAT'S GOING TO BE NEEDED TO PUT TOGETHER.
OH. STRUCTURES IN OUR OWN STATE THAT ARE GOING TO REQUIRE THE FUEL THAT COULD COME RIGHT THROUGH HERE, RIGHT? AND CAN IT READ BIG BENEFITS OF THAT? AND IN THE RICHMOND TIMES-DISPATCH, THE ANSWER WAS WE'LL PURCHASE IT FROM OUTSIDE THE STATE. AND I THINK THAT'S A SLAP IN THE FACE TO OUR LOCALITIES AND OUR RURAL COUNTIES.
THE ENERGY IS HERE IN VIRGINIA.
A LOT OF IT, BUT IT CAN ALSO COME THROUGH HERE, GO TO THE COURTS TO USE TO MAKE THESE STRUCTURES THAT YOU SEE IN THIS PROGRESSIVE AGENDA THAT VIRGINIA HAS AND THE ONE NUMBER THAT I NEVER SEE IS A DOLLAR AMOUNT OF FOSSIL FUELS THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE AND WHERE IT'S GOING TO COME FROM.
BUT DOMINION AND DUKE ENERGY HAVE ALREADY STATED IN THE PRESS THAT IT'S GOING TO COME FROM OUTSIDE VIRGINIA, PERIOD.
SO THEY'RE LEANING ON US TO AS A RURAL COUNTY TO PROVIDE A ENERGY TO REPLACE OUR ECONOMIC GROWTH IN OUR OWN CANDY, IT MAKES NO SENSE.
MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOEVER TO ME.
IF YOU COULD SEE THOSE FIGURES AND THOSE NUMBERS MIGHT LITTLE MORE REALISTIC, BUT UNTIL THEN. WE'RE MISSING OUT ON A BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IF IT'S FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THIS BATTERY STORAGE.
OVER 20 YEARS, THAT'S WHAT, TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND A YEAR, BUT A LOT OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE IS FOR SUPERVISORS HAVING TO GO AGRICULTURAL EQUIPMENT, LOGGING EQUIPMENT FOR THESE KINDS OF THINGS.
GENERATE A WHOLE LOT MORE MONEY.
ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE LET IT COME TO SPEAK? IF NOT, I'M A CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
ALL RIGHT. THERE'S NO [INAUDIBLE] MATTER TO COME BEFORE US TONIGHT.
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HOW IS ANY ANYTHING ELSE, ANYTHING ELSE NEED TO COME UP BEFORE WE ADJOURN THE MEETING? APPRECIATE YOU ALL BEING HERE TONIGHT.I THINK, UM, MS. LEWIS, BE PROUD OF US AND WE WISH HER AND MR. RANDALL THE BEST, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL SEE THEM BOTH IN OUR NEXT MEETING.
WISH YOU ALL HAVE A SAFE TRIP HOME AS WELL AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU FOR I'VE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT BEING REPRESENTED TONIGHT.
AT THIS TIME, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION THAT WE ADJOURN.
HEAR A SECOND. SECOND. IT WAS SECOND.
GOOD NIGHT AND SEE YOU NEXT MONTH.
BUT HERE.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.