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ALL RIGHT, SIX O'CLOCK, WELCOME TO THE JANUARY MEETING, FIRST MEETING OF
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2022 AND WE DO HAVE A QUORUM.WITH THAT BEING SAID, IT'S NECESSARY THAT WE HAVE A CLOSED MEETING, MR. JOHNSON.
IT'S NECESSARY FOR THIS BOARD TO NOW CONDUCT A CLOSED MEETING IN ACCORDANCE
[1. Closed Meeting Closed Meeting]
WITH THE PROVISIONS SET OUT IN THE CODE OF VIRGINIA 1950 AS AMENDED FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSE IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2.2-3711A5 DISCUSSION WITH STAFF FROM FRANKLIN SOUTHAMPTON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INC.CONCERNING CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATIONS AND NEGOTIATIONS WITH COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL PROSPECTS FOR THE EXPANSION OF EXISTING COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL BUSINESSES WHERE NO PREVIOUS ANNOUNCEMENT HAS BEEN MADE OF THE PROSPECTS OR THE BUSINESS'S INTEREST IN LOCATING OR EXPANDING ITS FACILITIES IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY.
AND NUMBER TWO IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2.2-3711A1 DISCUSSION OF A PERSONNEL MATTER REGARDING APPOINTMENT OF A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
OKAY ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
WE WILL GO INTO CLOSED SESSION.
WELCOME TO THE JANUARY 20 20 MEETING FIRST MEETING OF THE YEAR SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
WE WERE IN CLOSED SESSION AND NOW WE'RE BACK IN OPEN SESSION.
SUPERVISOR GILLETTE WOULD YOU READ THE RESOLUTION, PLEASE?
[2. Certification Resolution]
DO YOU WANT TO DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE FIRST.DO YOU WANT TO DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE FIRST OR YOU WANT TO READ THIS? I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS WHICH WAY YOU WANT TO DO IT.
WHEREAS THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CONVENED A CLOSED MEETING ON THIS DATE PURSUANT TO AN AFFIRMATIVE RECORDED VOTE AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS OF THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT.
AND WHEREAS SECTION 2.2-3712D THE CODE OF VIRGINIA REQUIRES A CERTIFICATION BY THE BOARD THAT SUCH CLOSED MEETING WAS CONDUCTED IN CONFORMITY WITH VIRGINIA LAW.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HEREBY CERTIFIES THAT TO THE BEST INTERESTS OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE, ONLY PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS WERE LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM THE OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS BY VIRGINIA LAW WERE DISCUSSED IN THE CLOSED MEETING TO WHICH THIS CERTIFICATION RESOLUTION APPLIES.
AND ONLY SUCH PUBLIC MATTERS, AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION CONVENING THE CLOSED MEETING WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED AND CONSIDERED BY THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
MOTION TO ACCEPT THE RESOLUTION.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S ALL STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
ALL RIGHT, DO WE HAVE A VOLUNTEER FROM THE AUDIENCE AS TO GIVE US A SHORT INVOCATION? YES, SIR.
[INAUDIBLE] HEAVENLY FATHER WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR ONLY SON JESUS CHRIST WHO CAME AND DIED, THAT WE MIGHT HAVE THE RIGHT TO THE TREE OF LIFE.
AS WE COME, WE COME AND GIVE US THE RIGHT UNDERSTANDING AS WE GO ABOUT THE BUSINESS OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY.
WE ASK YOU TO BLESS THE CONSTITUENTS OF SOUTHAMPTON.
AND CONTINUE TO GIVE THEM YOUR FAITH AND YOUR GRACE AND YOUR MERCY.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, FATHER, WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD STATE OF VIRGINIA.
GUIDE THEM AND GIVE THEM A GREAT UNDERSTANDING.
THEY MAY DO THE THINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO SUPPORT THIS GREAT COMMONWEALTH.
THEN WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD BLESS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND IF THERE'S A WAY TO BLESS THEM COLLECTIVELY AS THEY GO ABOUT THE BUSINESS OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY THESE THINGS WE ASK IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST IN THE NAME OF YESHUA WE PRAY.
THERE WERE NO ACTIONS AT THE CLOSED MEETING.
NUMBER 4 CITIZENS COMMENT PERIOD.
[4. Citizens Comment Period]
A LITTLE HISTORY.THIS WAS STARTED NOVEMBER 25TH, 2013, AND WE SET ASIDE AN HOUR WHERE ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY MATTER CONCERNING THE COUNTY.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS COME TO THE PODIUM, GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, AND WE'LL OPEN THAT UP FOR THE CITIZENS COMMENT PERIOD.
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SUBDIVISION.I WAS PLEASED TO HEAR WALT BROWN, PRAY FOR OUR STATE GOVERNMENT, AND I'M PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE THAT I THINK YOU ALL ARE DOING A MUCH BETTER JOB THAN THE FOLKS IN WASHINGTON ALL AROUND THIS COUNTRY.
BUT I HAVE A COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 13, WHICH WILL COME UP LATER TONIGHT INVOLVING GOLF CARTS ON PUBLIC ROADS.
IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THIS SUBJECT CAME UP 8 OR 10 YEARS AGO.
I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHERE I KNOW ANITA PHELPS WAS STILL MY SUPERVISOR.
AND IT FAILED, AND I THINK IT FAILED BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD THAT IF YOU HAD IT IN ONE SUBDIVISION, YOU HAD TO HAVE IT IN ALL OF THEM AND YOU HAD TO POST SPEED LIMIT SIGNS OF 25 MILES AN HOUR.
AND IT WOULD COST THE COUNTY I KNOW THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS [INAUDIBLE] 17 20 30 THOUSAND DOLLARS TO ERECT THESE SIGNS.
IN MY SUBDIVISION THERE ARE ABOUT 56 HOMES.
AND I THINK I'M ABOUT THE ONLY RESIDENT THAT DOES NOT HAVE A GOLF CART.
AND EVER SINCE THIS MOTION FAILED YEARS AGO, I'VE SEEN 6, 8, 10, 12 IN MY SUBDIVISION ALL THE TIME.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THEM, BUT MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT SEVERAL TIMES EACH YEAR I OBSERVED YOUNG CHILDREN, SOME LOOK TO BE AS YOUNG AS SEVEN OR EIGHT.
BLOW THROUGH THE STOP SIGN AT MY INTERSECTION BETWEEN DARDEN POINT ROAD AND LAKESIDE.
AND SO MY REQUEST OF YOU THAT IF THIS ORDINANCE BECOMES THE LAW, THAT YOU PLEASE TAKE SOME EXTRA SERIOUS STEPS TO CAUTION PARENTS, THEY DON'T LET THESE KIDS DRIVE THESE GOLF CARTS UP DOWN THE STREET ABOUT SAFE DRIVING HABITS BEFORE WE HAVE TO BURY ONE OF THEM.
MR. KUTCHINS I MIGHT ADD THIS IS ONLY THE FIRST READING TONIGHT.
THEN IT COMES FROM PUBLIC HEARING NEXT MONTH, SO WE GOT PLENTY OF TIME FOR THOSE CONCERNS.
I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT IDEA IN YOUR HEAD BECAUSE I SEE IT FREQUENTLY.
NOBODY TEACHES THEIR KIDS SAFE DRIVING THANK YOU.
OKAY, ANYBODY ELSE? MR. BROWN.
MR. CHAIRMAN, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, I'M WALT BROWN, I RESIDE AT 33334 SANDY RIDGE ROAD, FRANKLIN, VIRGINIA, STANDING HERE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING AS CHIEF OF THE CHEROENHAKA NOTTOWAY INDIAN TRIBE.
AGAIN APPEALING TO YOU, CHAIRMAN EDWARDS.
SINCE THE DRIVE IS IN YOUR DISTRICT, JERUSALEM.
WE'RE NOT IN THE CAPRON DISTRICT, WE'RE NOT IN THE FRANKLIN DISTRICT WE'RE IN THE JERUSALEM DISTRICT OKAY.
IN REFERENCE TO THE REQUIREMENT FOR A SECURITY [INAUDIBLE].
OF COURSE, WE HAVE APPROACHED THE BOARD NOW, PROBABLY AT LEAST THREE TIMES, AND IT WAS DENIED.
SO WE HAD A BOARD MEETING WITH THE TRIBAL COUNCIL AND ALSO WITH THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION AND CONSIDERATION FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR TRIBAL PEOPLE AND KIDS THAT ARE COMING OUT ON SCHOOL BUSSES AND ESPECIALLY THE COMMUNITY, WHICH IS RIGHT UP THE STREET FROM US.
SOUTHAMPTON MED NOT SOUTHAMPTON [INAUDIBLE] WITH ALL THE CLANDESTINE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE STILL GOING ON OUT THERE URINATING [INAUDIBLE] STILL THERE TRASH EVERYWHERE AND DRAG RACING.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY GOT FOUR-WHEELERS THAT ARE DOING IT OR WHAT.
I THINK IT'S BASICALLY FOUR-WHEELERS OK.
BUT ANYWAY, SO THE BOARD AND THE COUNCIL SAID, OK, WE'LL PAY FOR IT BECAUSE WE HAVE THE SAFETY.
WE HAVE A SAFETY CONCERN WITH THE COMMUNITY IN THAT AREA, OK? BUT SOMEBODY IS GOING TO GET HURT.
SO WE DECIDED THAT WE WOULD PAY FOR IT.
SO WE APPROACHED MR. JOHNSON, THOUGH I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR SUPPORT, THAT PEOPLE WILL PAY FOR THAT.
[INAUDIBLE] BECAUSE THE LIGHT IS GOING TO BE SHINING ON A PUBLIC, STATE MAINTAINED ROAD, SO WE COULD DO IT.
OK, SO I GOT BACK WITH MR. [INAUDIBLE].
I SAID, WELL, CAN YOU TAKE IT UP ANOTHER LEVEL AND SEE WHAT THEY SAY? SO HE CALLED ME TODAY AND HE SAID WELL BASICALLY, I TALKED TO AN UPPER LEVEL MANAGEMENT AND THEY SAID, WELL, YOU CAN GET THE LIGHT IN THE NAME OF THE TRIBE AND IN THE NAME OF THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION.
BUT BEING THE LIGHT WILL SHINE ON THAT STATE MAINTAINED ROAD AND THAT CUL DE SAC IS THAT THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE TO GIVE YOU PERMISSION, TO DO THAT.
SO I BELIEVE HE SENT A DOCUMENT TO MR. JOHNSON FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER AND I'M [INAUDIBLE] ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THAT AND THAT
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YOU GIVE THE TRIBE THE RIGHT TO ACTUALLY SHINE THAT LIGHT ON THEIR CUL DE SAC.AND WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT BECAUSE WE HAVE THE SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE, OK, NOT ONLY THE SAFETY OF KIDS THAT ARE COMING OUT ON SCHOOL BUSSES AND STUFF AND THEN WALKING OUT THERE, BUT ALSO IN IT HASN'T STOPPED, GENTLEMEN.
OK, IF YOU COME OUT THERE, YOU CAN SEE THE SKID MARKS EVERYWHERE.
SO I ASK THAT YOU WOULD GIVE THAT SOME SERIOUS CONSIDERATION.
AND MR. JOHNSON HAS THE LETTER, I BELIEVE.
I JUST READ IT ABOUT TWO OR THREE TIMES AND IF THE BOARD WILL APPROVE US.
WELL, WE CAN PUT THE LIGHT UP, BUT WE NEED TO APPROVAL TO SHINE IT ON A STATE MAINTAINED ROAD BECAUSE THEY CAME BACK ORIGINALLY SAID THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.
SO YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY DECIDED THAT [INAUDIBLE] WILL NOT DO IT.
OK, SO I ASK THAT YOU TAKE THAT INTO SERIOUS CONSIDERATION.
THE SECOND POINT IS THAT I WANT TO RAISE BEFORE I LEAVE IS HIGH TECH INDUSTRY IN THIS COUNTY.
WE GOT CAMP COMMUNITY COLLEGE OVER THERE.
THAT'S AVAILABLE AND TEACHING KIDS ALL THESE HIGH TECH SKILLS.
IT'S NO REASON WHY THAT THIS BOARD CANNOT BRING IN A HIGH TECH INDUSTRY TO MAKE COMPUTER CHIPS AND KIDS IN THEIR JUNIOR YEAR AND SOPHOMORE YEAR AND THE JUNIOR YEAR AND SENIOR YEAR.
THEY CAN WALK OUT LIKE SOME OF THESE OTHER COUNTIES HAVE DONE WHEN THEY GRADUATE, AFTER THEY GET THESE TECHNICAL SKILLS FOR TWO YEARS BECAUSE THE KIDS SATELLITE THE COLLEGE ANYWAY.
AND WALK IN MAKING 20 TO TWENTY FIVE DOLLARS AN HOUR.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR OUR YOUNG PEOPLE TO DO IN THIS COUNTY.
THE TURNER TRACK HAS BEEN OUT THERE BEFORE WALTER YOUNG, ANITA FELTS, MOSES WYCHE AND MYSELF GOT OFF THE BOARD.
HOW MANY YEARS THAT'S BEEN? ITS GROWING UP IN TRASH AND GRASS.
THERE HAVE NOT BEEN ANOTHER INDUSTRY PUT OUT THERE.
BUT WE'RE NOT BENEFITING THIS COUNTY IF WE'RE NOT TAKING CARE OF THE CONSTITUENTS AND WE'RE NOT TAKING CARE OF OUR CHILDREN.
SO I WOULD BESEECHINGLY ASK THAT YOU GUYS START CONSIDERING THAT AND WHEN I RAN FOR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THE LAST TIME I RAN ON THAT PARTICULAR PLATFORM, HIGH TECH INDUSTRY IN THIS COUNTY, OK, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT MY CONSTITUENTS COMPLAINED TO ME ABOUT.
OK, SO WE NEED SOMETHING FOR OUR KIDS TO DO WHEN THEY GRADUATE FROM HIGH SCHOOL AND THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE IS SETTING THERE WAITING.
YEAH, THEY CAN TRAIN THESE KIDS CAMP COMMUNITY COLLEGE CAN TRAIN THESE KIDS IN THESE HIGH TECH SKILLS.
YOU GUYS BRING IN A HIGH TECH INDUSTRY.
WHY CAN'T YOU BRING IN A COMPUTER CHIP AND PUT THEM OUT THERE TO [INAUDIBLE] INDUSTRIAL PARK? SO THAT'S MY COMMENT, AND THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.
WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT'S ON THE NEXT AGENDA.
ANYBODY ELSE? WE GOT PLENTY OF TIME.
ALL RIGHT, THEN, IF NOBODY ELSE.
ALL RIGHT, CITIZEN'S COMMENT PERIOD'S CLOSED THEN.
MOVE ON NUMBER FIVE ORGANIZATIONAL MATTERS.
[5. Organizational Matters]
MR. JOHNSON, DID YOU WANT TO START THAT OFF? YES, SIR, I'LL BE GLAD TO.SO STATE STATUTES REQUIRE EACH LOCAL GOVERNING BODY TO RESOLVE CERTAIN ORGANIZATIONAL MATTERS AT YOUR FIRST MEETING EACH YEAR.
AND THE FIRST ORGANIZATIONAL MATTER IS THE ELECTION OF YOUR CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIRMAN.
I WILL SAY IF THE BOARD FAILS TO DESIGNATE THE TERM OF OFFICE, IT IS PRESUMED BY LAW THAT EACH IS ELECTED FOR A ONE YEAR TERM OR UNTIL A SUCCESSOR OF EACH HAS BEEN ELECTED.
THE CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIRMAN MAY SUCCEED THEMSELVES IN OFFICE AND INCLUDE IT IN YOUR AGENDA PACKAGES IS A REPRINT OF THE STATE STATUTE REGARDING THE ELECTION OF CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIRMAN.
I WILL ALSO ADD THAT THE CHAIRMAN IS THE PRESIDING OFFICER AT ALL BOARD MEETINGS FURTHER SERVES AS THE BOARD'S REPRESENTATIVE AT ALL OFFICIAL AND CEREMONIAL FUNCTIONS.
THE CHAIRMAN IS ENTITLED TO VOTE ON ALL MATTERS THAT COME BEFORE THE BOARD UNLESS OTHERWISE DISQUALIFIED BY A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
THE CHAIRMAN SIGNS ALL MEETING MINUTES, OFFICIAL RESOLUTIONS AND OTHER LEGAL INSTRUMENTS AS AUTHORIZED BY THE BOARD.
THE VICE CHAIRMAN IS AUTHORIZED TO DISCHARGE ANY DUTIES OF THE CHAIRMAN DURING HIS OR HER ABSENCE OR DISABILITY.
IN ADDITION TO THE ANNUAL SALARY AS A MEMBER OF THE BOARD, THE CHAIRMAN IS PROVIDED AN ADDITIONAL ANNUAL SUM OF $1800 AND THE VICE CHAIRMAN IS PROVIDED AN ADDITIONAL
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ANNUAL SUM OF TWELVE HUNDRED DOLLARS.SO WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID, I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIRMAN.
I'D LIKE TO RE-NOMINATE OUR CURRENT CHAIRMAN.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? AS A NOMINATION, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A SECOND, I'LL JUST CARRY IT RIGHT TO A VOTE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF DR.
EDWARDS CONTINUING TO SERVE AS CHAIRMAN, PLEASE SAY, AYE.
ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED? AND DR.
EDWARDS, I'M PLEASED TO TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU FOR THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONAL MATTERS.
A NOMINATION, MR. HART, WILLIAM HART, GILLETTE AND THE SECOND.
MAKE A MOVE THAT NOMINATIONS COULD BE CLOSED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SO MR. GILLETTE SAY, AYE.
SECOND ONE IS ADOPTION OF THE MEETING DATES AND TIMES FOR 2022.
WE MEET HERE ON THE FOURTH TUESDAY OF EACH MONTH AT SIX O'CLOCK 6:00 P.M.
EXCEPT FOR THE MONTH OF DECEMBER.
THAT'S THE ONLY VIOLATION OF THAT.
YOU'RE LISTED THE MEETING DATES AND TIMES THERE.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? DECEMBER IS THE ONLY ONE THAT'S NOT DECEMBER IT'S DECEMBER 20TH.
AND WE NEED A MOTION TO GO AHEAD AND GO WITH THAT.
OKAY AND C IS THE HOLIDAY SCHEDULE.
YOU SEE THE LIST OF HOLIDAYS THAT YOU HAVE THERE.
INCLUDING DAYS THAT THE OFFICES ARE CLOSED HERE, ALL THE MAJOR HOLIDAYS.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ADDITIONS THEY WANT TO THAT? I MOVE WE ADOPT THAT HOLIDAY SCHEDULE AS PRESENTED IN THE AGENDA.
OKAY, THE HOLIDAY SCHEDULE [INAUDIBLE].
WE HAVE A COUPLE OTHERS BUDGET FINANCE COMMITTEE.
I'VE ASKED IF MR. GILLETTE AND MR. CORNWELL WOULD CONSIDER SERVING ON THAT AGAIN UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE.
I THINK THEY'VE DONE A GOOD JOB, I'D LIKE TO SEE THEM CONTINUE.
NEXT ONE IS THE SCHOOL BOARD LIAISON COMMITTEE.
THE FACT THAT MR. JONES IS RECOVERING FROM A SERIOUS ILLNESS.
MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS KIND OF A UNIQUE SITUATION WITH MR. JONES BEING ABSENT AND I'M NOT TOO SURE EXACTLY WHEN HE MIGHT BE BACK.
I THINK THAT IT MIGHT BE BEST TO FILL HIS SPOT ON THAT COMMITTEE, AND I WOULD MOVE THAT CHRIS CORNWELL SERVE THIS YEAR WITH MR. FAISON.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[INAUDIBLE] PLANNING COMMISSION AND I'M YOUR LIAISON ON THAT.
ANYBODY ELSE LIKE THAT POSITION? WE'LL CONTINUE WITH YOU.
[LAUGHTER] THE SECOND OF THAT MOTION.
[6. Approval of Minutes]
WE HAVE TWO SETS OF MINUTES TO APPROVE THE REGULAR SESSION DECEMBER 14TH.[00:20:01]
AND ANYBODY HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS DELETIONS, ANYTHING TO CHANGE IN THOSE MINUTES.ALL RIGHT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
AND THE OTHER SET OF MINUTES IS FROM THE CONTINUED SESSION WE HAD ON DECEMBER 16TH.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS TO THOSE MINUTES.
MOVING ON TO NUMBER SEVEN, HIGHWAY MATTERS.
[7. Highway Matters]
FIRST ON YOUR LIST IS A RESOLUTION REQUESTING ADDITIONS TO STATE SECONDARY SYSTEM OF HIGHWAYS, AND WE HAVE A RESOLUTION THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE AND THAT'S REQUESTING VDOT TO ACCEPT THE SANDY CREEK DRIVE, SPRING BRANCH DRIVE AND MEADOW CREEK COURT INTO THE SECONDARY SYSTEM OF HIGHWAYS AND ASSUME RESPONSIBILITY FOR PERPETUAL MAINTENANCE AND CARE, WHICH STARTS ONE YEAR AFTER THE ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION.ANYBODY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? IS THAT IN THEIR BUDGET? I MEAN, IS THAT.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE IT.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THE MOTION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE RESOLUTION SAY AYE.
ALL RIGHT, B IS SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE CITIZENS TRANSPORTATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND I THINK WE HAVE MR. KUTCHINS HERE AS CHAIRMAN OF THAT.
THAT COMMITTEE HAD BEEN VERY VALUABLE IN COMING UP WITH ROAD CHANGES FOR THE COUNTY.
AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR DILIGENCE AN YOUR TIME IN THAT.
FIRST ONE IS THE ROUTE 58 DREWRYVILLE INNOVATION INTERSECTION, IMPROVEMENTS RESTRICTED CROSSING.
THE SECOND ONE IS ROUTE 58, DREWRYVILLE INNOVATION INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS THE TURBO T AND THE THIRD ON ROUTE 38 SOUTHAMPTON HIGH SCHOOL INNOVATIVE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS WITH A CONTINUOUS GREEN T, AND THE FOURTH IS U.S.
ROUTE 460 FOR SHOULDER WIDENING IMPROVEMENTS.
THESE APPLICATIONS FOR SMART SCALE FUNDING.
THEY NEED TO BE SUBMITTED BEFORE MARCH 1ST.
BETWEEN MARCH 1ST AND MARCH 31ST, VDOT WILL LOOK OVER THESE THINGS AND DETERMINE WHICH ONES THAT THEY WILL FUND.
MR. KUTCHINS DID YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON ANY OF THOSE.
MY ONLY COMMENT SIR IS THAT WE LOOKED AT EACH ONE OF THESE CAREFULLY MULTIPLE TIMES, AND WHAT WE DECIDED ON APPEARS TO BE TWO CRITERIA.
THEY WERE THE SAFEST AND THEY WERE OKAY, SO YOU HAVE THEM LISTED IN ORDER OF PREFERENCE THEN? JOHNSON.
YEAH, THERE REALLY IS NO PRIORITY.
WE CAN SUBMIT UP TO SIX PROJECTS.
THEY FELT COMFORTABLE RECOMMENDING THAT WE SUBMIT THESE FOUR.
SO WITH YOUR BLESSING, WE'LL PREPARE THOSE PRE APPLICATIONS, GET THEM SUBMITTED DURING THE MONTH OF MARCH.
FIND OUT FROM VDOT IF THEY ARE IN FACT ELIGIBLE FOR FUNDING UNDER THE SMART SCALE PROGRAM.
AND IF THEY ARE, THEN THE ACTUAL APPLICATION WILL BE DUE AUGUST 1ST.
WELL AS THE MEMBERS OF OUR COMMISSION.
SO I WOULD CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE YOU ALL ONCE WE SUBMIT THESE PRE APPLICATIONS, ONCE WE GET WORD BACK FROM VDOT THAT THEY ARE IN FACT ELIGIBLE AT THAT POINT, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING TO RECEIVE FEEDBACK BETWEEN THEN AND WHEN THE APPLICATION IS DUE IN AUGUST.
SO THERE WILL BE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND EVERYONE IF VDOT SAYS, OK.
ALL RIGHT, WE NEED A MOTION TO ASK MR. JOHNSON TO FILE BEFORE FOR US.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE HIGHWAYS IN THEIR DISTRICT OR ANYWHERE ELSE? WELL, THERE'S SOME SERIOUS POTHOLES DEVELOPING AT THE INTERSECTION OF POPE STATION
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AND BUCKHORN QUARTER.THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I HAVE THAT.
ANYBODY ELSE? ANY CONCERNS? OKAY.
THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE MONTHLY REPORTS, I'LL GO THROUGH THOSE, AND IF
[8. Monthly Reports]
ANYBODY'S HERE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT ANY SUBJECT, JUST JUMP UP.OKAY, I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE COLLECTION PERCENTAGES.
KEEP IN MIND, WE JUST PASSED THE DECEMBER 5TH 2021 DEADLINE.
SO THE PERCENTAGES HAVE DROPPED OFF A LITTLE.
THE REAL ESTATE FOR DECEMBER WAS NINETY NINE POINT EIGHTY FOUR PERCENT.
FOR JANUARY, IT'S NINETY NINE POINT FORTY EIGHT PERCENT, PERSONAL PROPERTY NINETY EIGHT POINT TWENTY PERCENT IN DECEMBER, NINETY FIVE POINT SIXTY TWO PERCENT IN JANUARY, AND THE SOLID WASTE FEE WAS AT EIGHTY FOUR POINT SEVENTY TWO PERCENT IN DECEMBER AND IS AT EIGHTY FOUR POINT NINETY SEVEN PERCENT FOR JANUARY.
COOPERATIVE EXTENSION, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, SOLID WASTE QUANTITIES MR. JOHNSON AND PERSONNEL.
I'VE GOT A NUMBER OF ITEMS TO REPORT.
THERE HAVE BEEN FOUR EMPLOYEES HIRED DURING THE MONTH EFFECTIVE JANUARY, THE 3RD IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE JOSHUA [INAUDIBLE] WALTERS ANNUAL SALARY THIRTY EIGHT THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED AND TWENTY TWO DOLLARS.
LAUREN LINDSAY EFFECTIVE JANUARY THE 10TH IN THE TREASURER'S OFFICE ANNUAL SALARY THIRTY THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED EIGHTEEN DOLLARS.
KIMBERLY GASKINS EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1ST IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE ANNUAL SALARY THIRTY ONE THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED AND THIRTY NINE DOLLARS.
AND TONYA SCOTT CHAPEL, EFFECTIVE JANUARY 13TH IN THE TREASURER'S OFFICE THIRTY THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED EIGHTEEN DOLLARS.
THERE WERE SIX EMPLOYEES WHOSE POSITIONS WERE RECLASSIFIED EFFECTIVE JANUARY THE 1ST, ALL OF THEM IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
TIMOTHY SHERMAN ANNUAL SALARY FORTY TWO THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED AND NINETY EIGHT DOLLARS, CHRISTOPHER PHIPPEN'S ANNUAL SALARY FORTY TWO THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED EIGHTY SIX DOLLARS.
SERENA WHITE ANNUAL SALARY SIXTY THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED NINETY ONE DOLLARS.
GREGG GRIFFITH ANNUAL SALARY SEVENTY THREE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED ONE DOLLARS.
BENJAMIN GRIZARD ANNUAL SALARY FORTY TWO THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED AND ONE DOLLARS.
AND HARLEY BELLE ANNUAL SALARY FORTY TWO THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED AND TWENTY EIGHT DOLLARS.
TWO EMPLOYEES THAT SEPARATED DURING THE MONTH.
PATTY EVERETT IN THE TREASURER'S OFFICE, EFFECTIVE JANUARY THE 11TH.
AND CODY LANCE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF UTILITIES, EFFECTIVE JANUARY THE 27TH.
WE'LL MOVE ONTO 9 THE FINANCIAL MATTERS, AND THE FIRST ONE IS YOUR 2023
[9. Financial Matters]
BUDGET CALENDAR AND CALL FOR ESTIMATES THAT YOU HAVE.THAT'S OUR SCHEDULE FOR THE UPCOMING BUDGET SEASON.
IT'S A BUSY, BUSY TIME OF YEAR FOR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND EVERYBODY ELSE.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT SCHEDULE.
EVERY YEAR, PEOPLE COMPLAIN THAT THEY DON'T GET INPUT UNTIL THE VERY END, AND THEN IT'S ALMOST SET IN CONCRETE IS ANYTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT.
I WILL NOTE THE SCHEDULE LIKE EVERY YEAR, WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON MARCH THE 22ND, WHICH IS BEFORE THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE BUDGET IS EVEN COMPLETE.
SO THAT WILL BE ADVERTISED AND WE'LL RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT NIGHT AT SEVEN O'CLOCK.
THAT'S PRETTY EARLY IN THE PROCESS.
I KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW WHAT YOU HEAR, BUT THAT'S THAT LOOKS TO ME THAT ABOUT AS EARLY AS WE COULD DO THAT, ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS.
I WILL ALSO POINT OUT TO MR. CORNWELL AND MR. FAISON, SINCE THEY HAVE JUST BEEN APPOINTED AS THE BUDGET LIAISONS FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD, THAT WE DO HAVE THAT MEETING SCHEDULED ON FEBRUARY THE 28TH AT 6:00 P.M.. OKAY, WE NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS DRAFT BUDGET CALENDAR.
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SO MOVE.BILL LIST EVERYBODY'S SEEING THE BILL LIST, WHICH IS QUITE EXTENSIVE, THAT'S BEEN AUDITED AND GONE OVER.
THE RAILEY & RAILEY IS THAT FOR JANUARY.
THAT IS FOR THE MONTH OF DECEMBER.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, WE NEED A MOTION TO PAY THE BILLS.
[10. Appointments]
NUMBER 10 APPOINTMENTS, WE HAVE TWO APPOINTMENTS COMING UP ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.MICHAEL MANNĆĀĀS BOYKINS-BRANCHVILLE AND JACK RANDALL'S FROM JERUSALEM.
WE HAVE TO WAIT TILL NEXT MONTH TO DO THOSE MIKE.
THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY DUE FOR SEVERAL MONTHS.
I WAS JUST GIVING YOU AN ADVANCE HEAD'S UP, BUT THOSE TERMS DO NOT EXPIRE UNTIL THE END OF APRIL.
SO THERE'S PLENTY OF TIME IF YOU NEED TO TALK TO THEM AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE WILLING TO CONTINUE.
I'VE SPOKEN TO MR. MANN AND HE'S WILLING TO AND MATTER OF FACT, LOOKS FORWARD TO SERVING ON THE BOARD.
YOU KNOW, I'VE SPOKEN TO MR. RANDALL.
IF YOU WANT TO GET OUT OF THE WAY TONIGHT, THEY BOTH.
YEAH, PERFECTLY FINE TO DEAL WITH IT TONIGHT IF YOU ALL ARE READY.
I MOVE WE ACCEPT THAT REAPPOINTMENT.
MICHAEL MANN AND JACK RANDALL ARE REAPPOINTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
[11. Public Hearings]
FOR FOUR YEARS.NUMBER 11 IS IT THERE ARE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS COMING UP.
THE FIRST IS A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FOR THE TYLER BLAKE SHERMAN.
AND I'D LIKE TO TURN THAT OVER TO MS. LEWIS TO LEAD US THROUGH THAT.
THIS IS A TYPICAL ZONING MAP AMENDMENT REQUEST TO CREATE A FIVE ACRE LOT OUT OF UNITY ROAD.
THE COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING.
THERE WERE SEVEN MEMBERS AT THE MEETING THAT NIGHT.
THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION FROM MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE ABOUT TRAFFIC ON UNITY ROAD, THAT WAS A DAY THAT THERE HAPPENED TO BE THREE CRASHES ON UNITY.
THOSE ARE THREE EVENTS ON UNITY ROAD, SO IT SEEMS LIKE THE TRAFFIC WAS INCREASING IN THAT AREA, SO THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
HOWEVER, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CENSUS SOUTHAMPTON POPULATION DECREASED 10 PERCENT THREE PERCENT BETWEEN 2010 AN 2020 ISN'T INCREASING, BUT IT MAY BE INCREASING MORE IN CERTAIN AREAS AND DECREASING IN OTHER AREAS, SO THAT WAS THE CONCERN OF THE TWO CITIZENS IN THE AREA THAT SPOKE ABOUT INCREASED TRAFFIC.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION NOTED THAT YES, THERE ARE AREAS THAT THE ROADS DO NOT SEEM TO SERVE THE CITIZENS THAT DRIVE ON THEM.
THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT INTERACTIONS BETWEEN AGRICULTURAL EQUIPMENT AND PASSENGER VEHICLES THAT HAVE TAKING UP THE SAME SPACE ON THE ROAD UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST.
AND MR. SHERMAN'S REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE THIS EVENING IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM.
GLAD TO ANSWER ALL RIGHT ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. LEWIS.
IF NOT, THEN WE'LL OPEN PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ISSUE.
ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST.
GOOD EVENING MY NAME IS JOHN DREAMS, AND I RESIDE AT 23268 UNITY ROAD.
TYLER BLAKE SHERMAN IS MY STEPSON WHO HAS PUT IN THIS APPLICATION AND I'M SPEAKING FOR HIM.
HE'S OUT OF TOWN ON A JOB AND COULD NOT MAKE IT HERE TONIGHT.
WE FIRST BUILT OUR HOUSE WHEN HE WAS 11 YEARS OLD.
WANTED TO COME BACK TO THIS AREA.
THIS PARCEL OF LAND CAME UP FOR SALE.
IT'S IN THE SAME BLOCK THAT WE LIVE IN.
HE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, HE WAS ONLY 27 YEARS OLD, HE OWNS HIS OWN BUSINESS, HE'S AN EXCEPTIONAL YOUNG MAN.
I DON'T KNOW THAT HE'S EVEN NEVER HAD A SPEEDING TICKET.
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HE HAS PLANS ALREADY.HE'S ALREADY IMPROVED THE PROPERTY SOME.
HE HAS NO PLANS OF EVER SPLITTING THIS PROPERTY UP ANYMORE.
IT'S THE ORIGINAL ROAD AND THEN THE TWO HUNDRED ACRES REMAINS ON THE OTHER SIDE.
HE HAS PLANS TO BUILD A NEW HOME.
HE'S ALREADY DONE SOIL ENGINEER WORK, HE'S ALREADY DONE THE SURVEY.
HE'S ORDERED A SET OF PLANS AND HE PLANS ON PUTTING PLANS IN PLACE TO ABOUT A 3000 SQUARE FOOT HOME.
I KNOW AS A COUNTY WE TALKED ABOUT GROWTH AND AND GROWTH IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN'T STOP.
BUT AT LEAST IF WE HAVE GROWTH THAT HELPS PAY THE TAXES, THAT'S A PLUS FOR EVERYBODY.
HE PLANS ON THAT'S A REALLY NICE EXCEPTION CONSIDER THIS.
I THINK IT WOULD BE A PLUS FOR EVERYBODY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH APPRECIATE IT.
ANYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT IF THERE'S NOBODY ELSE THEN WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I MIGHT SAY THERE WAS SOME OPPOSITION TO THIS FROM NEIGHBORING PEOPLE.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED ON IT, UNANIMOUSLY TO PASS IT.
THE APPLICANT FOLLOWED EVERY LETTER OF THE LAW.
SO THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I MAKE A MOTION, WE APPROVE IT.
THERE'S A SECOND ALL RIGHT THIS MOTION TO APPROVE IT AND THE SECOND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.
ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OK THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED, SIR.
THE SECOND ONE WAS PUBLIC HEARING A COUNTY CODE AMENDMENT RELATED TO HUNTING CLUBS.
THIS CAME UP LAST YEAR AND MR. RAILEY HAD DONE QUITE A BIT OF WORK TRYING TO MAKE THIS MORE READABLE.
AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MS. LEWIS TO LET HER GO THROUGH IT.
IF YOU'LL REMEMBER IN EARLY 2021, AN APPLICATION APPEARED BEFORE YOU FOR A HUNTING PRESERVE.
THE APPLICATION HAD QUITE A BIT OF CONTROVERSY, BOTH AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THIS BOARD AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DID NOT APPROVE THAT APPLICATION.
THE CURRENT ZONING ORDINANCE SAYS THAT PRIVATE HUNTING CLUBS AND COMMERCIAL HUNTING CLUBS ARE PERMITTED USES IN THE A1 ZONING DESIGNATION.
BUT IT DOES NOT DEFINE WHAT THOSE ARE.
IT'S HARD TO SAY WHAT KIND OF BUSINESS, SOMEBODY IS IF THERE'S NO DEFINITION OF WHAT THAT BUSINESS IS.
SO AFTER THE APPLICATION WAS DENIED, THE APPLICANT WENT TO THE DEPARTMENT OF WILDLIFE RESOURCES AND THEY DECIDED THAT HE WAS COULD OPERATE HIS HUNTING PRESERVE AS A COMMERCIAL HUNTING CLUB, WHICH DID NOT REQUIRE ANY APPROVAL BY SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY.
AND THERE WAS NO WAY TO SAY NO, BECAUSE THERE WAS NO DEFINITION OF A COMMERCIAL HUNTING CLUB.
WELL, TONIGHT THAT'S WHAT THIS DOES.
IT PROVIDES A DEFINITION OF A PRIVATE HUNTING CLUB AND A COMMERCIAL HUNTING CLUB.
AND IT SAYS THAT PRIVATE HUNTING CLUB IS PERMITTED IN A1 ZONING DISTRICT BY A RIGHT, AND A COMMERCIAL HUNTING CLUB IS PERMITTED IN A ONE ZONING DISTRICT ONLY WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
THE DIFFERENCE OF THESE DEFINITIONS IS THE COMMERCIAL HUNTING CLUB CAN ADVERTISE TO THE PUBLIC AND CAN BRING IN WILDLIFE AS PREY.
A PRIVATE HUNTING CLUB CAN'T DO EITHER OF THOSE THINGS.
THE DAY TO DAY FUNCTIONS OF THE TWO CLUBS ARE IN THE DEFINITIONS ARE BASICALLY THE SAME, EXCEPT THERE CAN BE MORE COMMERCE ON THE SIDE OF A COMMERCIAL HUNTING CLUB.
THERE CAN BE SALES OF EQUIPMENT
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AND NONE OF THOSE CAN TAKE PLACE IN A PRIVATE HUNTING CLUB, AND THEY DON'T MIC] [INAUDIBLE].BUT THE COMMERCIAL HUNTING CLUB CAN ADVERTISE TO THE PUBLIC AND CAN BRING IN PREY, AND THAT IS THE MAJOR DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A COMMERCIAL AND PRIVATE CLUB IN THESE PROPOSED DEFINITIONS.
AND THE SUMMARY I GAVE TO MR. JOHNSON SAID THE APPLICANT ON THE ZONING CLEARANCE BEFORE THE DEFINITIONS CHANGED, THEN THAT PROPERTY WOULD BE A LEGAL EXISTING NON-CONFORMING USE.
OFTENTIMES, WHEN ZONING ORDINANCES CHANGE, THINGS BECOME NON-CONFORMING.
BUT IF THEY STAY AS THEY ARE AND THEY DON'T GO OUT OF BUSINESS AND THEY DON'T GROW, THEY CAN CONTINUE.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY THE PENALTY FOR THE ZONING ORDINANCE CHANGE.
SO IF THIS PRESERVE OPERATOR HAS A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND A ZONING CLEARANCE BEFORE THE ORDINANCE CHANGED HE COULD CONTINUE TO OPERATE JUST AS HE IS.
IT IS NOW 7:30 ON THE NIGHT OF THE PUBLIC HEARING AND HE DOES NOT HAVE A ZONING CLEARANCE AND HE DOES NOT HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
SO HE CAN NO LONGER CLAIM TO BE A COMMERCIAL HUNTING CLUB AND BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE SHOULD THIS PASS.
THERE WAS ONE SPEAKER OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WHO IS A MEMBER OF A PRIVATE HUNTING CLUB WHO SPOKE ABOUT THE CHARITABLE WORKS THAT HIS HUNTING CLUB DOES.
NO ONE ELSE SPOKE IN FAVOR OR AGAINST THIS ORDINANCES RAILEY IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST EXPERIENCED HUNTING LEGISLATION PEOPLE IN THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA.
SO, HE FEELS COMFORTABLE WITH THESE DEFINITIONS AND THE WAY THAT THE PRIVATE HUNTING CLUB IS SEPARATE FROM THE COMMERCIAL IF I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THAT PERSON WHO SPOKE WOULD THESE CHANGES AFFECT WHAT HIS HUNTING CLUB IS DOING NOW.
WAS HE SPEAKING IN FAVOR OR AGAINST IT? HE WASN'T SPEAKING IN FAVOR OR AGAINST.
HE JUST WANTED THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO KNOW HOW HIS HUNTING CLUB FUNCTIONS.
SPOKEN TO AND I'VE SPOKEN TO FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT THESE DEFINITIONS WOULD PERMIT THE PRIVATE HUNTING CLUBS THAT ARE VERY WIDESPREAD IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE AS THEY ALWAYS HAVE.
OK ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. LEWIS.
ALL RIGHT, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ISSUE.
I'M NEITHER IN FAVOR OF IT NOR OPPOSED TO IT, BUT I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS MY FARM AND FRONT IN THE VICINITY, ADJACENT PROPERTY.
AND WITHOUT FAIL AT THE END OF A DAY, THEY'RE DRIVING ALL OVER MY FARM LOOKING FOR THEIR DOGS.
AND THIS ORDINANCE PROBABLY DOESN'T ADDRESS THAT, BUT I PUT UP SIGNS AND ASK THEM TO RESPECT MY PROPERTY PARK HERE AND WALK TO LOOK FOR YOUR DOGS, BUT THEY DON'T PAY ANY ATTENTION TO IT.
BUT MY MAIN CONCERN WAS WHEN I HEARD MS. LEWIS TALK ABOUT IMPORTING PREY.
AND IS PREY DEFINED AND IS THERE CERTAIN LIMITATIONS ON WHAT KIND OF CRITTERS THEY CAN BRING IN.
BECAUSE IN THE PAST, I KNOW PRIVATE HUNT CLUBS HAVE IMPORTED PREY, WHICH HAS ENDED UP BEING A NUISANCE.
ON, NOT ONLY IN THIS AREA, BUT AROUND THE WORLD, AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THESE FERAL HOGS, AND I JUST WONDER IF THESE PEOPLE CAN IMPORT SWINE AS PREY BECAUSE I'D BE VERY OPPOSED TO IT IF THAT'S ALLOWED SO I THINK IF THEY WANT TO IMPORT PHEASANTS OR A COUPLE OF THREE DIFFERENT KINDS OF BIRDS FOR THESE PEOPLE TO SHOOT, THAT'S FINE.
BUT I THINK THERE OUGHT TO BE SOME KIND OF DEFINITION OF THE PREY THAT'S ALLOWED TO BE IMPORTED INTO THESE CLUBS THAT'S I THINK BASICALLY.
THE COMMERCIAL CLUB IS THE ONLY ONE THAT COULD DO THAT, AND IT HAS TO COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THIS BOARD.
AND THEREFORE, I WOULD THINK SOME OF THE PROVISIONS PUT ON THAT WOULD ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
IF THEY IMPORT SOMETHING AND THEN DON'T KILL IT, AND IT RUNS LOOSE AND IT GETS ON YOUR PROPERTY AND REPRODUCES AND IT'S A PEST.
THERE OUGHT TO BE SOME PROVISION TO MAKE THOSE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.
SO IN OTHER WITH DEFINING PREY AND MAKING THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE IF THE PREY GETS
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OUT OF HAND, THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT.I BELIEVE THAT THE BRINGING IN OF PREY IS UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE DEPARTMENT OF WILDLIFE RESOURCES.
THEY'RE THE ONES WHO WOULD GOVERN.
I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I THINK IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE, THEY'RE CONSIDERED A NUISANCE.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT I GUESS WE'D HAVE TO CHECK THAT OUT, BUT I DON'T THINK OF THOSE FERAL HOGS ARE IN VIRGINIA CONSIDERED APPLICABLE.
I DON'T KNOW IF MR. RAILEY IS UP TO DATE ON THAT OR NOT, BUT I FEEL CERTAIN THAT CONSIDERED IN VIRGINIA, A NUISANCE.
I FEEL LIKE MR. GILLETTE IS CORRECT.
AND WITHOUT REVIEWING THE CODE OF VIRGINIA WITH RESPECT TO THAT OR THE REGS OF THE DEPARTMENT OF WILDLIFE RESOURCES, I COULDN'T SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO THE PIGS.
BUT AS A MATTER OF VIRGINIA LAW, THIS BOARD CAN'T GIVE ANY MORE AUTHORITY OR ENACT ANY RULE THAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY DOESN'T ALLOW.
THEREFORE, THE PREY THAT WOULD BE ALLOWABLE TO BE BROUGHT IN WOULDN'T COULD NOT BE ANYTHING FURTHER THAN WHAT THE CODE OF VIRGINIA OR THE DEPARTMENT OF WILDLIFE RESOURCES REGULATIONS ALLOW.
I MEAN, WE'RE LIMITED BY THAT'S OUR CEILING, NOT OUR FLOOR.
WHAT IS THE TYPICAL PHRASE THAT THESE COMMERCIAL CLUBS BRING IN? I MEAN, OTHER THAN PHEASANTS AND TWO OR THREE OTHER KINDS OF BIRDS.
DO THEY BRING IN ANY OTHER KINDS OF CRITTERS THAT WE KNOW OF? NOT THAT I KNOW OF.
ARE WE ON A TIMELINE TO VOTE ON THIS, BECAUSE THAT COULD BE EASILY CHECKED OUT WITH A PHONE CALL IN THE MORNING WITH GAME AND THE FISHERIES.
WELL, IT'S NOT CALLED THAT ANYMORE DEPARTMENT OF WHAT IS IT CALLED WILDLIFE RESOURCES.
BUT USUALLY THE LARGE ANIMAL SPECIES ARE NOT APPROVED.
ONE GAME OFFICIAL LOST HIS JOB OVER AN ELEPHANT.
SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ENTERTAIN THAT ONE.
BUT I FEEL CERTAIN FERAL HOGS ARE NOT APPROVED IN VIRGINIA.
A DEAR WOULD BE ANOTHER ONE BECAUSE OF THE WASTING DISEASE POSSIBILITIES.
MOST OF THESE ANIMALS ARE FOWL THAT ARE RELATED TO GAME PRESERVES.
THAT'S WHY YOU CAN'T GET ANY NATURAL HUNTING ATTRACTANTS NOW LIKE IT USED TO BE, THEY'RE ALL HANDMADE SORT OF NATURAL SENSE ANYWAY.
AND FOR ME, THAT'S THE GOOD PART OF THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS JUST PRESENTED TO US IS THAT IF THEY'RE BRINGING ANYTHING IN HERE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE CLASSIFIED AS A COMMERCIAL HUNTING CLUB BY THE NEW DEFINITION, WHICH WILL AS DR.
EDWARDS INDICATED HAVE TO GO BOTH BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND US BEFORE ANYTHING IS APPROVED.
SO WE'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AT THAT TIME TO REVIEW EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THEY DO PROPOSE AND DEAL WITH IT ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS AT THAT POINT BECAUSE OF THE DEFINITION OF COMMERCIAL HUNTING CLUB THAT'S THE WAY I LOOK AT IT.
GO, HAS TO GO THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, PUBLIC HEARING, PUBLIC HEARINGS TO GO THROUGH THIS.
JOE IT SOUNDS LIKE IT MIGHT GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE POWER OVER THESE COMMERCIAL CLUBS THAN YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW.
SO I THINK I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS.
BUT YOU GUYS UPDIKE WAS MENTIONING EARLIER ABOUT THE BUDGET CALENDAR.
THERE WASN'T A CHANCE TO SPEAK TO THAT BEFORE.
SO I'LL TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY NOW.
THE PUBLIC PORTION THAT YOU ALLOW US TO SPEAK TO IS BEFORE YOU HAVE A DRAFT BUDGET AND IT'S A LITTLE TOO EARLY FOR THE PUBLIC IS WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.
WE'RE THE FIRST ONES TO TALK TO YOU BEFORE ANYTHING HAS BEEN DECIDED ON THE BUDGET, EXCEPT YOUR REVENUES.
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SO YOU ASK US TO SPEAK THEN AND THEN WE GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IN MAY OR IN MARCH OR WHENEVER IT IS.YOU KNOW, THE FINAL DRAFT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE IN THIS.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR CALENDAR SOMETIME BETWEEN APRIL SIXTH AND APRIL 20TH WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT.
THAT'S AFTER THE DRAFT BUDGET THAT'S COME OUT.
AND WHILE THE DEPARTMENTS ARE GIVING THEIR, YOU KNOW, AFTER WE HAVE A LOOK AT WHAT THE BUDGET MIGHT BE BECAUSE OUR FIRST CHANCE TO SPEAK, WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE IN MIND, WHAT MR. JOHNSON HAS IN MIND, WHAT THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE IN MIND.
AND BY THE TIME WE GET TO SPEAK AGAIN, IT'S ALREADY BEEN DECIDED.
SO THAT'S WHAT SHE WAS REFERRING TO IS THERE NEEDS TO BE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE JUST PUBLIC COMMENT WHEN THE BUDGET, THE INITIAL DRAFT COMES UP, BUT THEN HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, ACTUAL PUBLIC HEARING, SOMETIMES AFTER THE INITIAL DRAFT IS COMING.
THAT SEEMS TO BE THE ISSUE IS WE'RE SPEAKING BLIND HEARING AND THEN ON THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING WE'RE TOO LATE.
SO I THINK MAYBE MOVING FIRST ONE A LITTLE LATER MIGHT SOLVE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT PEOPLE HAVE.
WELL, GETTING BACK TO THE MATTER AT HAND WITH ANYBODY ELSE BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND IN ESSENCE THAT THE DEFINITIONS IS WHAT WHAT WE'D LIKE BEFORE A GOOD SOLID DEFINITIONS OF WHAT IS PRIVATE AND WHAT IS COMMERCIAL, WE GOT THEM NOW.
THEREFORE, ONCE YOU FIT IN THAT CATEGORY, IF IT'S A PRIVATE THING, BY RIGHT, GO AHEAD AND DO IT.
IF IT'S A COMMERCIAL, THEN YOU HAVE TO COME TO THE CONDITION USE PROCESS, WHICH IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
A PUBLIC HEARING PLANNING COMMISSION MAKES A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD PUBLIC HEARING AND THE BOARD ACTS ON IT.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF CHECKS AND BALANCES THERE AS FAR AS WHAT CAN BE DONE.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? I MOVE WE ACCEPT THESE AMENDMENTS.
THERE IS A MOVE TO ACCEPT THIS.
ALL RIGHT, NUMBER 12 REGIONAL 5311 RURAL TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM.
[12. Discussion Regarding Transit Feasibility Study Steven Zollos, Chief Executive]
AND THAT'S A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN ISLE OF WIGHT AND THE CITY OF FRANKLIN AND US.I THINK WE HAVE A GENTLEMAN HERE.
MR. STEVE ZOLLOS I'LL GIVE YOU THE FLOOR, SIR.
I'M STEVE ZOLLOS I'M THE CEO OF SENIOR SERVICES OF SOUTHEASTERN VIRGINIA.
A NUMBER OF MONTHS AGO AN OPPORTUNITY AROSE THAT PERHAPS WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO BRING A 5311 PROGRAM TO THE RURAL AREAS OF SOUTHAMPTON, ISLE OF WIGHT AND FRANKLIN.
IN PURSUIT OF THAT, TO FIND OUT WHAT ALL THE IMPLICATIONS ARE, WE HAD MEETING REPRESENTATIVES FROM HERE WERE A PART OF THAT WITH VDRPT WHO ADMINISTRATES THE 5311 PROGRAM.
AND WALK US THROUGH THE PROCESS OF WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO BE CONSIDERED FOR A 5311 PROGRAM HERE.
SENIOR SERVICES CURRENTLY RUNS A 5310 PROGRAM, WHICH THEN IS A TRANSPORTATION WE PROVIDE TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE 60 AND OVER.
5311 PROGRAM OPENS THAT UP WHERE IT'S A TRUE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM, SO YOU CAN PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION TO ANYBODY WHO NEEDS TRANSPORTATION IN YOUR COUNTY AND IN THE RURAL AREA, THAT'S DEFINED.
MR. NEAL SHERMAN AND HIS ASSOCIATE FROM VDRPT WALKED THROUGH THE PROCESS, THE FIRST STEP OF WHICH IS TO APPLY FOR A FEASIBILITY STUDY TO FIND OUT IF THEY WILL CONSIDER OUR REGION AS ONE THAT THEY WOULD LOOK AT TO ACTUALLY PUT IN A 5311 PROGRAM.
IN ORDER TO APPLY, WE JUST NEED TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY WHO'S IN TO FIND OUT MORE.
BASICALLY, THERE'S NO COST, THERE'S NO OBLIGATION.
THE CITY OF FRANKLIN HAS TAKEN THE LEAD TO SAY WE WILL DO THE THE APPLICATION FOR THE FEASIBILITY STUDY.
TO SEE IF THEY'LL DO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY WITH US, SO THEY HAVE UNTIL FEBRUARY ONE IN ORDER TO GET THIS APPLICATION IN.
SO THEY'RE LOOKING TO FINALIZE IT AND DEFINE.
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WE ARE DEFINING OUR RURAL AREA AS ISLE OF WIGHT FRANKLIN AND WHO ARE ALREADY IN AGREEMENT.AND THEN IF SOUTHAMPTON IS AN AGREEMENT TO INCLUDE THAT IN THIS RURAL DISTRICT AND THEN WHAT WILL HAPPEN AT THAT POINT? VDRPT WILL TAKE THAT APPLICATION AND THEY'LL COME BACK TO US AND BE ABLE TO SAY, YES, WE THINK YOU QUALIFY.
PRELIMINARILY WHAT THEY TOLD US AT THE PRELIMINARY MEETING WAS THAT IT'S ABOUT A SEVENTY THOUSAND FEASIBILITY STUDY.
HOWEVER, THEY COVER THE MAJORITY OF IT, SO IF ALL THREE COUNTIES WENT IN TO THE FRANKLIN AND THE OTHER COUNTIES CAME IN TOGETHER AND SAID, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, THE FEASIBILITY STUDY WOULD COST AROUND THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS PER JURISDICTION IN ORDER TO GET TO SEVENTY THOUSAND FEASIBILITY.
BUT ALL THAT WILL COME OUT IN THE WASH, IF THEY SAY THEY WANT TO DO IT OR THEY WOULD DO IT FOR US.
THAT IN THAT RESPONSE THEY WILL OUTLINE SPECIFICALLY, HERE'S WHAT THE STATE IS GOING TO PAY FOR.
HERE'S WHAT THE COUNTIES WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR.
THAT'S REALLY THE FIRST DECISION POINT.
DO WE WANT TO EVEN DO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY? RIGHT? SO RIGHT NOW, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR DOES SOUTHAMPTON WANT TO BE INCLUDED IN THE RURAL REGION THAT THIS IS A CONSIDERATION FOR SO THAT WE CAN GET THIS APPLICATION IN AND LET THEM KNOW.
HERE'S THE BERTH OF THE SIZE OF THE RURAL AREA THAT WE WANT THEM TO CONSIDER IN THE FEASIBILITY STUDY.
AND I CAN CERTAINLY TAKE QUESTIONS.
THERE'S A LOT MORE INFORMATION I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE COST DOWN THE ROAD TO THE COUNTY TO RUN IT.
YEAH, AND THAT'S A REALLY GOOD THOUGHT.
RUNNING THE 5310 PROGRAM, THOSE DOLLARS COME TO US TO RUN THAT PROGRAM THROUGH THE OLDER AMERICANS ACT AND THEN VDRPT TO US TO BE ABLE TO RUN THE PROGRAM.
TYPICALLY, WHAT WE DO AT SENIOR SERVICES FOR THE 5310 PROGRAM IS WE UTILIZE THE FUNDS THAT COME THROUGH THE STATE FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO RUN THAT PROGRAM IF WE NEED BUSSES OR OTHER VEHICLES.
THAT'S TYPICALLY AN 80 20 MATCH.
WE PAY [INAUDIBLE] STATE PAYS 80 PERCENT FOR THOSE VEHICLES, AND THAT'S HOW WE MAINTAIN OUR FLEET AND GROW OUR FLEET.
IT'S A GOOD CONCERN WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST.
THE FEASIBILITY IF YOU WANT IT AND THEN ALL THOSE QUESTIONS, WE HAVE VDRPT RIGHT HERE AND SAY, OK, WHAT IS IT GOING TO COST US FOR THE NEXT STEP, WHICH IS A MODEL PROGRAM THAT THEY BUILD AND THEY BUILD, RUN IT FOR A YEAR, MAKE SURE IT'S GOING TO BE USABLE, FUNCTIONAL AND THEN THE ACTUAL FIFTY THREE ELEVEN PROGRAM IS INSTALLED AN APP FOR THAT.
BUT THOSE ARE QUESTIONS THAT I WOULD SUGGEST IF THEY SAY, YES, THIS IS A GOOD AREA.
WE'D WANT TO DO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR YOU ALL.
THEY'LL COME BACK BEFORE THEY DO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY AND WE CAN GET FROM THEM SPECIFICALLY.
WHAT'S OUR ONGOING COST? WHAT'S OUR IMMEDIATE COST AND WHAT'S THE ACTUAL VALUE THAT'S COMING TO WOULD TELL YOU FROM THE 5310 PROGRAM, IT IS VERY LITTLE COST.
FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE OR FROM THE JURISDICTION'S PERSPECTIVE TO RUN THE 5310 PROGRAM BECAUSE IT'S A COMMON AND I WILL SAY IT'S FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S PRETTY RARE THAT THEY WOULD RESPOND TO A REQUEST TO SAY, WOULD YOU CONSIDER THIS FOR 5311 PROGRAM IN THIS AREA? I GOT THE IMPRESSION FROM WORKING WITH THEM THAT THEY HAVE THE DOLLARS NOW TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
I WOULD HAVE SAID IN THE LAST TWO AND THREE YEARS, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN SILENCED IF I COULD, IF I WOULD HAVE BROUGHT IT UP, IT WOULD HAVE JUST BEEN SILENCE.
AND JUST AS ANOTHER ASIDE, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING IN IT FOR SENIOR SERVICES EXCEPT TO BE ABLE TO SAY THIS IS A NEEDED SERVICE IN THE RURAL COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, CERTAINLY HERE IN RURAL TIDEWATER AS WELL SO IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD MAY BE INTERESTED IN PURSUING OR SEEING MORE ABOUT.
WAS THAT AN ADEQUATE ANSWER? IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT THE FEASIBILITY STUDY TONIGHT, WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE ANY CONCRETE DECISION UNTIL WE SEE WHAT'S UP.
SO THE REAL QUESTION AT HAND IS AS WE TURN IN THIS APPLICATION TO SEE IF THEY'LL EVEN DO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY.
DO WE INCLUDE SOUTHAMPTON IN THAT REGION OR DO WE SAY THE WIGHT AND FRANKLIN ARE
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INTERESTED IN A FIFTY THREE ELEVEN PROGRAM TO SEE IF IT'S FEASIBLE? I LIKE THAT APPROACH.WELL, THAT'S FINE, BUT THEN WHEN THE FEASIBILITY COMES OUT, SOUTHAMPTON WON'T BE INVOLVED.
I LIKE THAT THAT'S WHAT'S GETTING APPROVED.
I WOULDN'T AS A BOARD MEMBER, I WOULDN'T WANT TO MISLEAD YOU.
WE'VE GOT A LOT ON OUR PLATE WITH THIS COURTHOUSE.
AND WHAT'S SCARING ME TO DEATH IS THE KIND OF BUS THAT YOU'D HAVE THESE ELECTRIC VEHICLES THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS PUSHING IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I'M A PROPONENT OF.
WELL, WE DON'T HAVE WE DON'T HAVE ANY ELECTRIC BUSSES.
I'LL TELL YOU THAT THE 5311 PROGRAM, THERE'S A NUMBER OF RURAL COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE COME TOGETHER IN URBANA AND A COUPLE OTHER PLACES WHERE THEY HAVE IMPLEMENTED THE 5311 PROGRAM SUCCESSFULLY FOR THE LAST SEVEN AND EIGHT YEARS BUT IF I UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECTLY, THERE'S FEDERAL FUNDS INVOLVED IN THIS.
THAT COULD REQUIRE YOU TO PURCHASE ELECTRIC BUSSES, ELECTRIC PICKUPS, ELECTRIC CARS, ELECTRIC VANS.
IT'S ALREADY HAPPENING TO SCHOOLS NOW AND CITIES.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN DOING THE 5310 PROGRAM FOR OVER 20 YEARS, AND THEY HAVE NOT DICTATED OUR REQUIREMENTS.
THEY GIVE US SOME PARAMETERS AS TO THE DEALS THEY HAVE MADE SO THAT WE CAN GET THE 80 20 DISCOUNT, BUT WE GET THE SIZE VEHICLES, WE GET THE TYPE OF VEHICLES THAT WE NEED AND WE SEE ARE NEEDED FOR OUR JURISDICTIONS THAT WE'RE SERVING.
THAT CERTAINLY BEING ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE COULD ASK BEFORE WE OBLIGATE OURSELVES TO ANY TYPE OF FINANCIAL SITUATION.
TONIGHT, IS YOU WANT TO COMMIT $3000 TO SEE IF IT'S FEASIBLE OR NOT.
LET ME CLARIFY, IT'S NOT EVEN COMMITTING THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS RIGHT NOW.
OK, IT'S ALL THEY'RE DOING IS SAYING CITY OF FRANKLIN.
TELL US HOW WIDE A BERTH YOU WANT THIS FEASIBILITY STUDY TO BE.
THERE'S NO COST, AND IT'S JUST ME GOING BACK TO THE CITY OF FRANKLIN AND SAYING, HEY, IN THIS APPLICATION, INCLUDE SOUTHAMPTON.
SO THAT WHEN THEY COME BACK WITH HERE'S WHAT THE FEASIBILITY IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
THAT'S WHEN THE DECISIONS MADE, DO WE WANT TO INVEST THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS? I'M ANTICIPATING THAT'S WHAT THEY TOLD US.
I'M ANTICIPATING THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD BE WHEN THEY BRING US THE FINAL RESULTS OF THEY WANT TO DO THIS SURVEY.
THERE'S NO APPROVING OF DOLLARS.
IT'S JUST DO WE WANT TO BE PART OF THIS GEOGRAPHIC AREA UNDER CONSIDERATION? I THINK THAT PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION FOR THE WHOLE COUNTY IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN REMOTE AREAS WHO NEED THE TRANSPORTATION, AND IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN PROVIDE THAT, I THINK WE NEED TO GO FORWARD WITH IT.
AND LIKE YOU SAID, WE'RE NOT MAKING THAT DECISION RIGHT NOW THAT WE ARE OBLIGATING OURSELVES.
OKAY, SO I THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE INCLUDED.
AND THEN AT SOME POINT WE MIGHT SAY NO.
BUT RIGHT NOW, I THINK WE NEED TO BE INCLUDED.
YOU SAY WE WOULD BE OR WOULDN'T BE.
WHAT WAS YOUR OPINION, CARL? I DIDN'T HEAR THAT.
I SAID, WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE AN OBLIGATION RIGHT NOW.
AND I THINK RIGHT NOW WE SHOULD BE INCLUDED.
BECAUSE LATER ON, I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE I HEARD YOU RIGHT.
IF WE FIND THAT IT'S COST PROHIBITIVE OR PROHIBITIVE FROM A REASON WE CAN MAKE THAT DECISION THEN.
WE DON'T GET OFFERED A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE FREE RIGHT NOW.
IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S NO OBLIGATION FOR ANY MONEY.
I'M SURE YOU CAN HELP ME OUT WITH, IF YOU COULD FOR ME AND PROBABLY A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE IN THE ROOM AND MAY BE WATCHING US VIRTUALLY PAINT PAINT UP A PICTURE OF WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE FOR OUR COUNTY AND THE RESIDENTS OF IT IF ALL OF THIS COMES TO FRUITION, LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS OR WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRANSPORTATION, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WHAT DOES THAT DO FOR OUR CITIZENS? IF WE'RE ABLE TO DO ALL THESE THINGS AND GETTING FROM POINT A TO POINT B TO C.
HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WORKS? YEAH, IT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.
RURAL TRANSPORTATION IS A PROBLEM ACROSS THE COUNTRY BECAUSE IT'S SO HARD, YOU KNOW, HR TEAM JUST DID THEIR BIG REDESIGN IT DIDN'T COME ANYWHERE NEAR HERE BECAUSE THE IMPLICATIONS OF PROVIDING PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION IN RURAL AREAS.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A PROFIT.
AND THE 5311 PROGRAM IS NOT A PROFIT FOCUSED PROGRAM.
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IT'S A NEED BASED PROGRAM.THAT'S WHY THEY DO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY.
SO WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS THEY'LL COME IN, THEY'LL DO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, WHICH WILL START TO LOOK AT, WELL, WHERE ARE THE PRIMARY NEEDS? WHERE WOULD A BUS ROUTE GO? WHERE DO PEOPLE NEED TO GET TO AND HOW MANY PEOPLE DO WE THINK WOULD BE TAKING THIS TRANSPORTATION PROCESS? THIS PROGRAM THAT WE'VE BUILT.
RESIDENTS IN BOYKINS THAT NEED TO GO TO SUFFOLK OR FRANKLIN OR WHEREVER THEY NEED TO GO, THAT'S A PART OF THE FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT THEY CONDUCT.
YEAH, CERTAINLY THE PRIMARY THING IS FINDING OUT WHERE EXACTLY THE NEEDS ARE AND HOW CAN WE CAN WE AT ALL BECAUSE THE FEASIBILITY STUDY MAY COME BACK AND SAY IT'S NOT FEASIBLE.
SIX HUNDRED SQUARE MILES WITH 18000 PEOPLE IN IT, WE CAN'T DO THAT RIGHT.
SO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY WILL COME BACK.
IT'LL SAY, HERE'S THE ROUTES THAT WE HAVE INVESTIGATED, LOOKED AT THE NEED, LOOKED AT THE PLACES WHERE PEOPLE NEED TO GET TO, WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO GET FROM AND BE ABLE TO SAY, HERE'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT.
IT MAY BE A COMBINATION OF ON DEMAND WHERE PEOPLE CAN CALL AND GET RIDES THAT CAN BE FIXED ROUTES AS WELL AND SAY, HERE'S THE PRIMARY CORRIDORS.
THEREFORE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CONTINUAL BUS GOING IN THESE DIFFERENT CORRIDORS.
BUT THAT'S WHAT THE FEASIBILITY STUDY WILL DO FOR US.
ONCE THEY DO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY AND IF ALL SYSTEMS ARE GO AND IF THE COUNTIES ARE STILL IN AGREEMENT AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS ARE, THEN THEY'LL DO A MODEL PROGRAM, RIGHT? SO THEY'LL START IT SMALL, BASICALLY AND SAY, LET'S TEST THIS OUT SO THAT WE DON'T PUT ALL THE CHIPS IN HERE AND FIND OUT SOMETHING ISN'T WORKING THE WAY THAT WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO WORK.
SO THAT'S KIND OF A TEST TIME.
AND THEN ONCE THE TEST IS OVER AND THEY TWEAK IT AND FIND OUT WHERE THE TRUE TRANSPORTATION HUBS ARE THEN, THEY'RE READY TO SAY, LET'S IMPLEMENT THE FULL 5311 PROGRAM.
MY SECOND QUESTION IS JUST A POINT OF CLARITY BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NO MONEY OUR AGENDA PACKET SAYS $3000 TOWARDS THE REGIONAL FEASIBILITY STUDY.
AND I JUST FOR THE SAKE OF THE REST OF MY VOTING BOARD MEMBERS WOULD LIKE, I THINK, SOME CLARITY AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT'S GOING TO COST US.
I THINK YOU'LL GET TO THAT POINT, BUT IF YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE NOT AT THAT POINT TO OKAY.
MY ANTICIPATION IS COME FEBRUARY ONE, WE TURN IN THE APPLICATION TO BE CONSIDERED FOR A FEASIBILITY STUDY.
NO OBLIGATION, NO COST, THEY'RE GOING TO DO THEIR QUICK ANALYSIS TO GO, YEAH, WE HAVE THE RESOURCES WE CAN HELP THIS COMMUNITY WITH THIS PROGRAM, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND SAY, HERE'S WE WANT TO HELP YOU.
IF WE DO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, HERE'S HOW IT WORKS.
AND LET'S DO A LITTLE BIT AT THE MEETING.
WE'RE AT RIGHT AND BE ABLE TO SAY, LOOK, THEY'RE GOING TO SAY WE'VE GOT THREE PROVIDERS THAT CAN DO FEASIBILITY STUDIES AT THREE DIFFERENT COSTS.
YOU GUYS DO THE ANALYSIS BETWEEN ISLE WIGHT FRANKLIN AND SOUTHAMPTON.
AND DEPENDING UPON THE PROVIDER THAT YOU CHOOSE, THEIR MOST OF IT, AND I'LL OUTLINE THAT IN THE NEXT ONE WHEN THAT'S ALL LAID OUT.
THAT'S WHEN THE TRUE OBLIGATION OF THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS COMES IN.
TO ACTUALLY DO THE STUDY RIGHT? WE'RE JUST APPLYING FOR THE STUDY NOW.
AND THEY'RE MAKING DECISIONS BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT APPLICATIONS FOR THIS OTHER PLACES.
SO THEY'RE LOOKING AND SAYING, HOW CAN WE SPREAD OUR RESOURCES LOGICALLY AND WHERE DO WE THINK WE NEED TO DO THESE FEASIBILITY STUDIES? AND HOW DO YOU COORDINATE WITH THE I-RIDE PROGRAM? WELL, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION, TOO, BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE 5310 PROGRAM, WHICH WE DO.
WHAT HAPPENS IS WITH THE FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT IF THE COUNTIES DECIDE THEY WANT TO MOVE FORWARD, THE COUNTIES HAVE TO DECIDE WHO IS GOING TO RUN THEIR PROGRAM.
THE BENEFIT THAT YOU HAVE HERE IS THAT SENIOR SERVICES, WE ALREADY RUN THE 5310 PROGRAM, WHICH GIVES US THE BACKBONE THAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO RUN A 5311 PROGRAM AS WELL.
YOU CAN CHOOSE SOMEBODY ELSE TO COME IN.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK THAT WE CAN DO IT, THAT'S A DECISION WE HAVE TO MAKE.
I KNOW FROM OUR STRATEGIC PLAN WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AND SAYING.
WE, THE WESTERN TIDEWATER RURAL AREAS, NEEDS A TRUE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM, AND WE WANT TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO PROVIDE THAT.
SO IF IT'S HELP YOU FIND SOMEBODY ELSE TO RUN THE PROGRAM? GREAT.
IF IT'S US TO RUN THE PROGRAM, THAT'S GREAT TOO.
SO WE KNOW FROM A NEEDS PERSPECTIVE IS NEEDED HERE.
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SO THAT'S WHY I'M HERE, AND THAT'S WHY I'M KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS TRYING TO GO, DO WE WANT TO DO IT OR DON'T WE WANT TO DO IT RIGHT? BUT I AND AGAIN, I'LL SAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY THAT I HAVE NOT SEEN COME FORWARD BEFORE, SO IT'S SOMETHING TO REALLY CONSIDER RIGHT NOW.WELL, YOU'VE MENTIONED NEEDS, COULD YOU DEFINE THAT? NEED, YES.
HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF THE IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS WE'VE BEEN DOING THE 5310 PROGRAM, WHICH IS 60 PLUS, WHAT WE SAW THE NEED WE WERE TRANSPORTING PEOPLE WHO WERE YOUNGER BECAUSE WE HAD ROOM ON OUR BUSSES.
WHY ARE WE PASSING PEOPLE BY WHEN THEY NEED RIDES? BUT WE GOT SLAPPED ON THE WRIST FOR THAT AND TOLD WE CANNOT LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT YOU'RE TRANSPORTING OTHER PEOPLE.
THIS IS HOW THOSE DOLLARS ARE ALLOCATED.
ONE OF THOSE AND SO WE HAD TO PULL BACK AND GO, OK, 60 PLUS IS OUR DEAL.
BUT MAYBE 5311 PROGRAM ONCE YOU ONCE YOU GET IN IT, COULD THAT CHANGE? I'M SORRY.
ONCE YOU GET INTO THE PROGRAM, COULD THE NEED CHANGE? I THINK THE FEASIBILITY STUDY WILL DEFINE THE NEED IT WILL SHOW US IF THERE'S A NEED WHERE THE NEEDS ARE.
WHAT NEED WOULD BE DEFINE THE NEED? IS IT MEDICAL? IS IT GROCERY SHOPPING? IS IT WHAT IS IT? YEAH, IT'S REALLY ALL THE ABOVE, AND I WOULD SAY IT WOULD.
AND WHEN YOU GET TO THE YOUNGER AGE, IT'S GETTING TO SCHOOL.
IT'S BALL PRACTICE DENTIST APPOINTMENTS.
IT WOULD BE JUST LIKE ANY OTHER TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM IN ANY OTHER COMMUNITY.
WHEN YOU SEE DIFFERENT PEOPLE GETTING ON THE BUS TO WORK, TO GET TO SCHOOL, TO GET TO FROM MAYBE I'M BEHIND, BUT IN CITIES THEY'RE GOING BROKE TRYING TO DO THIS.
WELL, I RESTRUCTURED FOR A REASON.
AND THEY ARE CLOSER TOGETHER THAN WE ARE.
SO LOGICALLY, IT DOESN'T I CAN'T MAKE THIS WORK IN MY MIND.
WELL, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT VDRPT WOULD HAVE TO COME.
I CAN TELL YOU IT IS WORKING AND HAS BEEN WORKING IN RURAL COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE.
AND I CAN CERTAINLY HAVE THE LEADERS OF THOSE PROGRAMS HAVE A DISCUSSION AS TO WHY IT WORKS AND WHAT THE LIMITATIONS ARE.
THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PUT UP A SYSTEM AND ALL OF A SUDDEN EVERYBODY IN YOUR COMMUNITY IS GOING TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE RIDE.
IT JUST DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY BUT IT WILL BE AVAILABLE TO EVERYBODY, AND IT WILL BE FOCUSED ON WHERE THE GREATEST NEED ARE, WHERE THE MOST PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THE SERVICE TO GET TO WHERE THEY NEED, WHEN THEY NEED TO IS IT BASED ON NEED THE PEOPLE WHO RIDE? I DON'T THINK SO.
I DON'T THINK THE 5311 PROGRAM IS BASED ON NEED.
I MEAN, ON INCOME, YOU KNOW, EVEN IN THE 5310 PROGRAM, WE DON'T ASK PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S YOUR INCOME? WE JUST ASK, ARE YOU 60 AND OLDER? DO YOU NEED A RIDE? WE WILL GET YOU THERE.
WHAT WAS THE ISLE OF WIGHT'S STANCE? WE KNEW FRANKLINS ON BOARD, WHAT WAS ISLE OF WIGHT HAVE THEY? THEY'RE ON BOARD? YEAH, DEFINITELY.
SO YOU HAVE TO COME BACK TO US FOR THE DETERMINATION OF THE THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS, IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S A LATER DATE.
YOU'D BE PREPARED TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE BROUGHT TONIGHT.
AND IF WE GO FORWARD, I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT WE WOULD HAVE NEAL SHERMAN OR SOMEONE FROM VDRPT RIGHT HERE YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE IMPLICATIONS.
INSTEAD OF ME TRYING TO TRANSLATE WHAT THEY DO, HAVE THEM TELL US EXACTLY, HERE'S HOW THIS THING WORKS AND WHY THEY THINK THIS IS RIGHT FOR THIS COMMUNITY OR NOT.
WELL, I MEAN, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ACTION TONIGHT, RIGHT? HE NEEDS TO KNOW WHETHER YOU WANT TO BE IN OR OUT THAT WE BE IN, I MOVE THE WE.
SO SECOND TO THAT? YEAH, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH JUST BEING IN THE PRELIMINARY
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FEASIBILITY STRUCTURE, SO I'LL SECOND.ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, I AGREE AT THIS JUNCTURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S WORTH THE EXPLORATORY, HAVING THEM LOOK AT IT, POSSIBLY EVEN CONCEIVABLY TELL US THAT IT'S JUST NOT FEASIBLE, AS MANY OF US SUSPECT MIGHT BE THE CASE, BUT YEAH THEY MIGHT JUST COME BACK [INAUDIBLE].
SO, YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY HAVE THAT ABILITY TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, ANY TIME TO GET IN OR GET OUT.
SO AND IF WE GET ALL THE QUESTIONS ARE BROUGHT UP TONIGHT.
IF WE'D HAVE HAD TO SPEND THE TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO GET TO THAT POINT AT THIS JUNCTURE, I WOULD NOT BE SO INCLINED AS TO VOTE FAVORABLY FOR IT AT THIS POINT ANYWAY.
BUT THAT NOT BEING THE CASE, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM SUPPORTING IT.
ALL RIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OKAY, ALL RIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON.
THIS IS THE FIRST READING ON THE ORDINANCE PROVIDING FOR USE OF GOLF CARTS AND
[13. First Reading - Ordinance Providing for Use of Golf Carts and Utility Vehicles on Certain Public Roadways]
UTILITY VEHICLES IN DARDEN MILL ESTATE AND SEDLEY.WE HAVE MR. COOKE HERE TONIGHT IS HE HERE.
WELL, I GUESS EVERYBODY, HAS IT, I WAS HOPING HE'D BE HERE TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS.
IS THERE AN AGE RESTRICTION AS TO WHO CAN DRIVE A GOLF CART? YES NO PERSON SHALL OPERATE ANY GOLF CART OR UTILITY VEHICLE ON ANY STREET UNLESS HE HAS IN HIS POSSESSION A VALID DRIVER'S LICENSE.
NOW THE QUESTION I HAD ON IT, WAS THE LIABILITY INSURANCE [INAUDIBLE].
DID YOU ALL SEE THAT THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND? YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO HAVE THAT TO RUN A CAR ON THIS HIGHWAY IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA.
I CAN'T GET IT TO PULL UP NOW, THOUGH.
I'M FLYING BLIND HERE, BUT IT DID HAVE THAT REQUIREMENT.
YEAH, IT GOT IT WAS A THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAR MINIMUM.
GOLF CARTS AND UTILITY VEHICLES OPERATING ON DESIGNATED STREETS PURSUANT TO THIS ARTICLE SHALL BE ENSURED BY POLICY OF LIABILITY INSURANCE WITH COVERAGE OF NOT LESS THAN $300,000 PER ACCIDENT.
OH, I JUST WONDERED IF THAT WAS A MISPRINT.
YOU HAVE A CATCH 22, WHOSE GOING TO POLICE THAT.
YEAH, SO I MEAN, THIS BEING AN INITIAL DRAFT, THE FIRST LOOK OR WHATEVER.
ARE WE GOING TO WE'RE SUPPOSED TO TWEAK THAT OR WHO'S SUPPOSED TO TWEAK IT AS FAR AS YOU ALL CAN TWEAK IT AT THIS POINT, YOU CAN WAIT AND RECEIVE THE PUBLIC COMMENT, WE CAN TWEAK IT THEREAFTER.
HOWEVER, YOU ALL WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
I THOUGHT IT WAS COVERED AT A PREVIOUS MEETING THAT THE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP IS CALLED, BUT THEY WERE GOING TO BEAR THE EXPENSE OF THE SIGNS AND WHAT IT TOOK TO FACILITATE THIS.
YOU KNOW, VDOT WILL COME BACK AND SAY, HERE'S THE STIPULATIONS HERE'S WHERE YOU NEED YOUR SIGNS AND THE COMMUNITY WILL HAVE TO I FORGET THE GENTLEMAN'S NAME THERE.
MR. COOKE INDICATED THAT THEIR COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION WAS GOING TO DO FUNDRAISING TO RAISE THE MONEY FOR THE SITE.
THAT'S THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT.
OKAY, SO IT WAS NOT GOING TO COME BACK ON THE COUNTY.
IT WAS UP TO THE COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION.
AND THIS WOULD BE IF ANOTHER COMMUNITY WANTS IT, IT HAS TO DO THE SAME THEN, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE STOP SIGNS ARE ABOUT 700 BUCKS, SO THEY'RE NOT CHEAP.
SO LIKE I SAID, THE IT'S THE FIRST READING? COMES PUBLIC OPINION NEXT.
NEXT MEETING, AND THEN IT GOES TO VDOT AND.
VDOT WILL GO BACK AND TELL THE COMMUNITY WHAT SIGNS YOU NEED AND WHAT ELSE.
AND THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE WAS ABOUT WHO POLICES THE LIABILITY INSURANCE [INAUDIBLE] DOWN THE ROAD AND IF YOU GOT A SIGN ON THERE [INAUDIBLE] ANYWAY.
WELL, THAT'S UP TO THE COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION INDIVIDUALLY, NOT THE
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COUNTY, IF THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE ON THAT RESPONSIBILITY.I MEAN, IF THERE'S AN ACCIDENT, AND IT'S INVESTIGATED AND IN THE INVESTIGATION YOU DON'T HAVE INSURANCE, YOU ARE IN TROUBLE AREN'T YOU.
WELL, MR. KUTCHINS IS THE UNOFFICIAL MAYOR OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE COULD PUT HIM IN CHARGE OF THAT.
WELL I'M ALSO ON THE CITIZENS TRAFFIC ADVISORY TRAFFIC MIC].
BECAUSE IF YOU HIRE A NEIGHBOR KID WHO LIVES THREE HUNDRED YARDS DOWN THE STREET TO BRING HIS RIDING LAWNMOWER AND MOW YOUR GRASS, IS THAT CONSIDERED LEGAL OR ILLEGAL UNDER THIS ORDINANCE OR WITHOUT LAWNMOWERS ON THE STREET AS WELL AS GOLF CARTS.
YEAH, THAT'S A QUESTION THE SHERIFF MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER, BUT NOT BY THINKING HE IS, THEY'RE NOT OPERATING LEGALLY NOW IF THEY'RE ON A PUBLIC HIGHWAY WITH AN UNLICENSED VEHICLE.
I WOULD SAY MOST OF THE PEOPLE I SEE RIDING THEM DURING THE DAYTIME IN OUR SUBDIVISION ARE [INAUDIBLE] THEY'RE NOT THERE DURING THE DAY.
YOU KNOW I SEE, THE KIDS LOOK LIKE THEY'RE SIX YEARS OLD, LIKE THEY WERE THREE OR FOUR OF THE KIDS HE SEES IS SOMEWHERE ELSE HE DOESN'T COME TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT HE MIC].
WELL, YEAH, YOU SEE A LOT OF SIX EIGHT YEAR OLD KIDS DRIVING THESE GOLF CARTS AROUND TO AND LIKE YOU SAY, LOOKING AROUND, MAYBE.
YEAH, MAYBE THIS ORDINANCE WOULD, YOU KNOW, PUT SOME MEAT INTO IT LOOK, PARENTS YOU GOT TO HAVE A DRIVER'S LICENSE TO DO THIS.
EIGHT YEAR OLD JOHNNY CAN'T GET OUT AND DO IT.
WHAT DO YOU SAY, FOLKS, WE ADVANCE THIS TO THE PUBLIC HEARING NEXT MONTH.
ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR OF ADVANCING IT TO THE PUBLIC HEARING SAY AYE.
ARE YOU GOING TO READ IT TO US TONIGHT.
EXCUSE ME, I'LL GET YOU A COPY.
NUMBER 14 ELECTRONIC MEDICAL RECORDS FOR THE COUNTY JAIL.
[14. Electronic Medical Records for the County Jail Hon. Josh Wyche, Sheriff]
SHERIFF WYCHE.GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND BOARD MEMBERS.
I'M COMING TO YOU WITH A REQUEST FOR FUNDING FOR THE PURCHASE OF ELECTRONIC MEDICAL RECORDS FOR THE JAIL.
DR. REID HARRISON HAS BEEN CONTRACTED WITH OUR SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY JAIL OF THE CITIZENS SINCE AUGUST OF 21.
AND AROUND THE END OF THE YEAR, HE BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT OUR FACILITY WAS NOT USING ELECTRONIC RECORDS WITH THE INMATES STILL IN OUR CARE.
HARRISON ADVISED THAT NOT ONLY WOULD IT MAKE HIS JOB EASIER, BUT IT WOULD ALSO BENEFIT CARE IN IN THE FUTURE.
HE STATED TO ME THAT ELECTRONIC MEDICAL RECORDS WOULD ALLOW HIM TO ACCESS INMATE'S MEDICAL HISTORY AND HIS PREVIOUS ILLNESS AND TREATMENT AT FACILITIES, WHICH IS HELPFUL IN DETERMINING THE CURRENT COURSE OF TREATMENT.
DR. HARRISON ALSO ADVISED FROM A MEDICAL STANDPOINT.
THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS EXPOSING ITSELF TO A POTENTIAL LIABILITY ISSUES UNNECESSARILY BY NOT USING ELECTRONIC MEDICAL RECORDS DUE TO NOT HAVING ACCESS TO THE INMATE MEDICAL HISTORY WHEN IT WOULD OTHERWISE BE AVAILABLE.
DR. HARRISON FURTHER POINTED OUT HIS SURPRISE AT OUR LACK OF ELECTRONIC MEDICAL RECORD, AS IT WAS FEDERALLY MANDATED AS PART OF THE AMERICAN RECOVERY AND REINVESTMENT ACT, THAT ALL PUBLIC AND PRIVATE HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS AND OTHER ELIGIBLE PROFESSIONALS WERE REQUIRED TO ADOPT AND DEMONSTRATE MEANINGFUL USE OF ELECTRONIC MEDICAL RECORDS BY JANUARY 1, 2014 IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THEIR MEDICARE AND MEDICAID REIMBURSEMENT.
WE LOOKED INTO THIS SYSTEM USED BY OTHER LOCAL CORRECTIONAL FACILITIES THAT WAS DESIGNED FOR USE IN INCARCERATION SETTINGS THAT HAD A PRICE TAG OF FIFTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THE UPFRONT SOFTWARE COST AND THEN A RECURRING MONTHLY DEVICE AND MAINTENANCE FEE OF THREE HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR EACH FACILITY OF OUR SIZE.
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DR. HARRISON WAS ABLE TO FIND A DIFFERENT ELECTRONIC MEDICAL RECORD SYSTEM WITH NO REOCCURRING COSTS AND LOWER UPFRONT COST THAT HE AND I BELIEVE WILL SUIT OUR NEEDS.HIS WOULD NEED TO USE THE SYSTEM.
THE OVERALL COST SAVED WOULD BE A ONE TIME SAVING OF OVER SIX THOUSAND AND THE ANNUAL SAVINGS OF THIRTY SIX HUNDRED DOLLARS.
I'M REQUESTING THAT THE BOARD FUND THIS ONE TIME COST TO PURCHASE AN ELECTRONIC MEDICAL RECORD SOFTWARE FOR SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, AND I WOULD REFER TO DR.
HARRISON FOR ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT THANK YOU, SIR.
HARRISON IS HERE SO MAYBE SOME OF YOU ALL KNOW, DR.
THE JAIL HERE OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS.
WE ARE REQUIRED IN ALL SETTINGS NOW TO GET REIMBURSED ELECTRONIC MEDICAL RECORDS.
THE ISSUE THAT REALLY CAME UP FOR US IN THE JAIL WAS FOR SEVERAL INMATES, WE NEEDED TO ORDER CERTAIN LABS AND OTHER DEVICES OR RADIOLOGICAL SERVICES FOR THEM.
NO HOSPITAL WILL TAKE A WRITTEN ORDER.
IT HAS TO BE ELECTRONIC SO WE CAN'T ORDER SIMPLE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO FOR OUR INMATES OR, YOU KNOW, FOR CERTAIN FOLLOW UP LABS IN THE WE TRIED WE WROTE WRITTEN ORDERS THEY WERE LIKE NO IT HAS TO ALL BE DONE ELECTRONICALLY.
SO THIS REALLY BROUGHT TO THE FACT THAT WE LITERALLY ARE NOT PRACTICING MEDICINE.
AS A PHYSICIAN, I CAN SAY THAT I HAVE TO WRITE OUT NOTES AND THINGS OF THAT SORT.
IT'S THE ONE PAGE I CAN'T GET OLD MEDICAL RECORDS ACCESS VERY EASILY BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A FILING SYSTEM IT'S ADEQUATE FOR IT.
SO I PUT MYSELF LIABLE BECAUSE IF ANYBODY COULD COME AND REVIEW OUR RECORDS, IT WOULD BE AND THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT CONTINUING CARE, WHICH IS ALSO A BIG ISSUE.
WE HAVE TO GO INTO VARIOUS AREAS AND FIND WAYS TO FIND OLDER MEDICAL RECORDS AS WELL AS MONITOR THESE PATIENTS.
IT IS TRUE I WAS IMPRESSED TO FIND A SIGNIFICANT PRICE CUT.
I MEAN, I'VE BEEN IN SEVERAL CLINICS WORKED WITH MULTIPLE MEDICAL RECORD SYSTEMS. THEY CAN COST TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS JUST TO GET STARTED.
BUT THEY'RE JUST LIKE A CELL PHONE.
YOU PAY A LOT FOR MAINTENANCE FEES AND SO YOU PAY A MONTHLY FEE TO ACCESS THEIR SERVERS AND THINGS OF THAT SORT.
THE ONE WE LOOKED INTO IT'S ACTUALLY RATED NUMBER TWO IN ALL MEDICAL RECORDS, AND IT WAS IT WAS JUST A ONE TIME PREP FEE IF WE PAID UP FRONT.
WE SAVED OURSELVES NEARLY 20 PERCENT, SO THAT DOLLARS THERE.
THE OTHER NICE THING WAS THERE WAS NO MAINTENANCE STUFF TO KEEP IT GOING.
THEY SAY, YOU PAID UPFRONT, YOU'RE GOOD.
THE REASON THEY DO THAT IS BECAUSE MOST CLINICS WILL CHANGE THEIR MEDICAL RECORDS SYSTEMS EVERY FOUR TO SIX YEARS.
SO THEY FIGURE, HEY, THAT CAN THE NICE THING ABOUT THE JAIL, THERE'S SUCH LIMITED PATIENT POPULATION.
WE'RE NOT HAVING HUGE RECORDS, A NURSE.
SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF THAT NEEDING TO BE DONE.
SO I THINK THAT WAS ANOTHER REASON.
IN FACT, I ASKED HIM, I SAID, HEY, CAN YOU GUYS CUT US DOWN BECAUSE ONE ONLY HAVE ONE DOCTOR, ONE NURSE.
AND THEY DROPPED IT DOWN LIKE 10 PERCENT.
SO THAT SAVES ANOTHER $1500 DOLLARS.
INITIALLY, IT WAS ABOUT TEN THOUSAND.
I THINK THE KEY FOR US IS THAT IT'S GOT TO BE DONE, WE GOT TO GET MOVING BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS ABOUT SIX MONTHS AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOT A.
I WAS SURPRISED THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE IT.
BECAUSE AGAIN TO PROVIDE CERTAIN STANDARDS AND THE SHERIFF'S BUDGET OR OURS.
YOU WOULD NEED TO ESPECIALLY APPROPRIATE THIS MONEY.
IT WOULD COME FROM YOUR OWN APPROPRIATED RESERVE.
AND I'M HAPPY TO LOOK AT SOME OTHER SYSTEMS, THIS IS JUST AS THE ONE LIKE I SAID MIC] BETTER RATINGS AND COST WISE.
WE DID TALK WITH COMMISSIONER TIDEWATER.
THEY TAKE FIFTEEN THOUSAND AND HOW HAVE WE BEEN BEEN ABLE TO ADEQUATELY PROVIDE THE NECESSARY LEVEL OF CARE TO THESE PATIENTS UNDER OUR CARE FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS, HE WAS THERE DOING GREAT.
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NOT LIKE THE SOUTHAMPTON MEMORIAL, THEY WOULD ACCEPT WRITTEN ORDERS.AND THEY CAN'T EVEN ACCEPT AN ORDER WITHOUT BEING ELECTRONIC.
SO WE DID THAT UP TO ABOUT A YEAR AGO, AND WE REALLY DIDN'T NEED IT THAT OFTEN.
I MEAN, PROBABLY WE MIGHT HAVE FOR A YEAR, FOUR OR FIVE TIMES WE'D HAVE TO HAVE A PATIENT NEED, MAYBE A LAB OR LIKE, YOU KNOW, RADIOLOGICAL SERVICES.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHY IT PROBABLY WAS FINE.
IT DIDN'T REALLY SHOW UP UNTIL I HAD TWO PATIENTS AND ONE NEEDED SOME MAINTENANCE LABS.
AND ANOTHER NEEDED AN ULTRASOUND.
WE STILL HAVE IF AN ATTORNEY FOUND THAT AND THIS GUY'S CANCER PROGRESSED AND WE DIDN'T MONITOR IT AND WE SO THAT'S THE OTHER ISSUE.
AND AGAIN, AS A PHYSICIAN, I'M PUTTING MY LICENSE THE LIABILITY ON THAT FOR MORE CARE.
AND AND I THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE DON'T PROVIDE BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, WE WERE LUCKY.
CAN'T ENVISION THAT ANY DOCTOR WOULD GO OUT THERE AND TAKE CARE OF PATIENTS WITHOUT THE ELECTRONIC RECORD.
IF SOMEBODY VOLUNTEERED TO DO THAT, I WOULD QUESTION HIS SANITY.
I REALLY WOULD THIS DAY IN AGE? SO WIDE OPEN AND YOUR STANDARD OF CARE IS NOT GOOD AND YOU'RE JUST WIDE OPEN FOR ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS.
I CAN'T EVEN SEND A PRESCRIPTION IN ON YOU WITHOUT ELECTRONICALLY SENDING IT IN.
YOU SEE A PATIENT COME TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM, FOLLOW UP IN MY OFFICE THE NEXT DAY AND I GET TWO PAGES.
WHAT HAPPENED HERE AND WHAT THEY DID? I'LL GET 40 PAGES.
THAT TAKES ME HALF AN HOUR TO GO THROUGH [INAUDIBLE], BUT IT'S NECESSARY IN THIS DAY AND AGE.
I'M NOT SURE IF YOU COULD GET A DOCTOR TO STAY THERE WITHOUT THIS.
WELL, I COMMEND YOU FOR LOOKING OUT FOR US FISCALLY, AND I WOULD MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT YOUR PROPOSAL AND TRUST THAT AND LIKE I SAID, I LOOK AT SEVERAL ALREADY AND TRIED TO GET GOOD QUALITY VERSUS THE QUANTITY SO.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO DO THIS ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, WE'LL VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE.
NUMBER 15 CONSIDERATION OF STREET LIGHT INSTALLATION ON SEBRALL.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I'VE LOST MY CONNECTION HERE, BUT THIS IS A SITUATION THAT'S IN SEBRALL ON
[15. Consideration of Streetlight Installation - Sebrell]
THE BACK STREET THERE BARN TAVERN, I THINK, IT'S CALLED AND THERE ARE RESIDENTS THERE THAT WE'RE COMPLETELY IN THE DARK NOW, I KNOW THE COUNTY RESOLUTION.I THINK THE STIPULATION WAS EVERY FOURTH LOT US HAD TO BE SO MANY HOUSES.
YEAH, AND THERE'S A PRETTY SHARP CURVE IN BETWEEN THE TWO LIGHTS SO THAT I WENT OVER THERE TO SEE THIS RESIDENT AND TALK WITH HIM, AND I'VE BEEN BACK LATE NIGHT, I'VE BEEN BACK EARLY MORNING AND IT IS A DARK HOLE.
AND I HAVE MET WITH FIELD MEN FOR COMMUNITY ELECTRIC AND I THINK THE PRICE FOR THIS INSTALLATION IS IT'S LESS THAN $700 DOLLARS.
SIX HUNDRED AND SEVENTY SIX DOLLARS AND 70 CENT TO REMEDY THIS PROBLEM, AND THESE ARE RESIDENTS THAT THE STREETLIGHTS ARE NOT PERFORMING THE SERVICE THAT THEY WERE INTENDED FOR THEM.
AND IF YOU GO ACROSS THE STREET, YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT'S TRUE.
AND I RECOMMEND THAT WE MOVE FORWARD.
WELL, HOW DOES THIS FIT INTO THE EXISTING ORDERS OR WHATEVER THAT WE HAVE.
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WELL, WE ARE AMENDING THE ORDINANCE.I THINK WE SAID I GOT A COPY OF IT HERE SOMEWHERE.
THAT WAS SUSPENDED BACK IN OCTOBER 22, 2012, WITH A NOTE THAT THE FRONT SECTION OF DARDEN MILLER ESTATES WOULD BE THE TOP PRIORITY AT SUCH TIME IT WAS REINSTITUTED.
AND I TOOK ALL THAT IN CONSIDERATION WHEN I VISITED THE AREA AND THE PLACES I'VE BEEN, WHERE THEY ARE INSTALLED, THEY'RE FUNCTIONING FINE.
BUT IN THIS SITUATION, BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION, THE BRICK BUILDINGS THAT ARE THERE THAT INHIBIT PART OF THE LIGHT AND THEN THAT SHARP CURVE THE STREET LIGHT AROUND THAT SHARP CURVE ON THE OTHER END, IF YOU'RE COUNTING ONE, TWO THREE FOUR.
SO THERE'S A HOLE THERE THAT'S FRANKLY BLACK AS PITCH AND IT DOES NOT PROVIDE THE LIGHTING ON THE STREET, AND THEY'LL RECOGNIZE TOO THESE LIGHTS AREN'T PUT UP TO LIGHT UP PEOPLE'S YARDS, BUT JUST A STREET.
SO THAT'S WHY IT'S STILL AT THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD, OBVIOUSLY, BUT THAT'S MY RESOLUTION TO THIS SPECIFIC CASE AND TOO BECAUSE THEY OUR RESIDENTS THERE PEOPLE LIVE THERE AND THE REST OF THE AREA IS PROVIDED LIGHTING.
BUT THERE ARE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE.
I CERTAINLY HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT BECAUSE I KNOW THE AREA I HAD REASON TO GO BACK AND LEFT THERE QUITE A BIT.
BUT I AM CONCERNED NOW WITH THE PRESENT ORDINANCE THAT WOULD HAVE.
AND THEN HOW SO? I HEAR THE WORD ORDINANCE, KEEP IN MIND, THIS IS NOT AN ORDINANCE.
WHICH IS MUCH DIFFERENT ORDINANCE CODIFIES POLICY IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE AND MODIFICATION BY THIS BOARD AT YOUR DISCRETION.
WELL, THIS ONE'S LESS THAN $700 DOLLARS BUT IF YOU NEED WHAT'S THE EQUIPMENT THEY NEED TO INSTALL AND IT ENDS UP ABOUT 3000 BUCKS OR WHATEVER.
I MEAN, IS THAT THE DIFFERENCE HERE, YOU DON'T NEED TO INSTALL.
THIS IS A QUOTE FROM COMMUNITY TO INSTALL IT.
ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE DIFFERENCE AND THE ONE ON CHEROENHAKA? THAT'S EXACTLY YES.
YEAH, THE DIFFERENCE IN THAT ONE WAS THEY NEEDED TO INSTALL A TRANSFORMER TO STEP THE VOLTAGE DOWN TO OPERATE THE STREETLIGHT.
THIS ONE, THEY'VE ALREADY GOT A SECONDARY LINE ON THE POLE.
THEY JUST HAVE TO ADD THE POLE IN THE LIGHT.
AND YOU'VE ALSO GOT HOMES LINING THAT ROAD, SO IT'S NOT LIKE A SITE, BUT WITH NO RESIDENTS, THERE'S RESIDENTS UP AND DOWN THE ROAD.
I RODE THROUGH THERE ACTUALLY THE DAY BEFORE YESTERDAY AND LOOKED AT IT.
I HADN'T REALIZED THERE WAS THAT MANY HOMES BACK THERE.
I DO HAVE JUST A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT IT AS I LOOK AT IT.
ONCE THE LIGHT IS INSTALLED, THIS COST, IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL COSTS TO BE INCURRED ANNUALLY OR WHO OWNS THE LIGHT? YEAH, THE COUNTY PAYS THE COST OF THE STREETLIGHTS.
AND THE COST IS COMMUNITY ELECTRIC, IT'S SEVEN DOLLARS AND SOME CHANGE PER LIGHT PER MONTH.
AND HOW MANY LIGHTS DOES THE COUNTY HAVE? BECAUSE I LOOK AT THIS AND I LOOK AT THESE HOUSES RIGHT HERE, AND I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT THE STREETS LIT.
BUT I THINK ABOUT THE OTHER THOUSANDS OF COUNTY RESIDENTS AND THOUSANDS OF MILES OF COUNTY ROADS THAT DON'T HAVE NOW A LIGHT ON THEM.
SO THAT'S MY MY BIGGEST CONCERN, I GUESS.
SO IN THE INCORPORATED TOWNS, THE TOWNS PROVIDE THE STREETLIGHTS AS THE TOWN SERVICE.
BUT THE COUNTY PROVIDES THEM IN THE LARGER VILLAGES OF SEDLEY OF SEBRALL.
THE COUNTY PROVIDES THEM IN THE SUBDIVISIONS.
SCOTTSWOOD DARDEN MILL ESTATES THOSE KINDS OF AREAS.
THAT'S THE REASON THE COUNTY ADOPTED A POLICY YEARS AGO WHERE THEY WOULD CONSIDER THEM IF THEY PROVIDED WHAT WAS DEFINED AS SIGNIFICANT LIGHTING BENEFIT, NOW
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LIGHTING BENEFIT TYPICALLY MEANT THAT IT AND IT USED THE WORD, TYPICALLY BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME EXCEPTIONS.THAT IT WOULD PROVIDE BENEFIT TO AT LEAST FIVE RESIDENCES.
TYPICALLY, YOU WOULD LIKE TO LIGHT CERTAIN INTERSECTIONS SO THERE MAY NOT BE FIVE RESIDENCES AT AN INTERSECTION, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO LIGHT THE INTERSECTION FOR SAFETY.
AND THE OTHER ONE WOULD BE THINGS LIKE CURVES, 90 DEGREE CURVES, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
HOW MANY? HOW MANY HOUSES ARE ON THIS STREET? SO THEY ARE FOUR OCCUPIED RESIDENCES.
YEAH, ON THE STRETCH OF BARN TAVERN.
THAT'S RIGHT IN THERE WHERE WHITEHEAD'S STORY IS, AND THEN IT TURNS 90 DEGREES, AND THERE ARE, I BELIEVE, THREE OTHER RESIDENCES UP ON THAT SECTION.
SO AS FAR AS BEING A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY, I THINK THIS WOULD CERTAINLY APPLY.
WELL, I THINK THAT'S TRUE, BUT I'VE GOT A BIG PROBLEM.
WE GOT TO DO FOR ONE, WE NEED TO DO FOR ALL.
I DON'T FEEL WE NEED TO GET INTO THIS BUSINESS.
IT CERTAINLY MAY BE NEEDED THERE, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD OTHER APPLICANTS IN HERE THAT WE'VE TURNED DOWN, AND I THINK WE'VE GOT TO HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE THE SAME REASON IT WAS DARK AND I DON'T FEEL SAFE OR WHATEVER.
BUT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN WHERE STREETLIGHTS HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
THIS IS A CASE WHERE THE STREETLIGHTS HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND THE LIGHTING IS NOT FUNCTIONING AS WAS INTENDED.
THE OTHER REQUEST HAVE BEEN WHERE THERE ARE NO THERE WAS NO APPROVED STREETLIGHT PLAN.
WELL, IN A COUNTERARGUMENT TO THAT COULD BE WELL THOSE RESIDENTS SHOULD BE AFFORDED THE SAME OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME LEVEL OF LIGHTING THAT THESE FOLKS ARE REAPING THE BENEFIT OF.
IT IS WHERE I THINK SELFISHLY THINK ABOUT BURLIN, OK? MAYBE WE'D LIKE TO HAVE SOME LIGHTS AT THE INTERSECTION OF APPLETON [INAUDIBLE] ROADS, YOU KNOW, SIX OR SEVEN HOUSES, RIGHT? THERE IS NO COUNTY FUNDED STREET LIGHTS.
WE TALKED ABOUT UNITY ROAD IN THE TRAFFIC EARLIER.
IT'S DOZENS OF HOUSES THROUGH THERE ALONG THE ROADWAY THAT AREN'T LIT BY COUNTY LIGHTS.
I FEAR PANDORA'S BOX, I GUESS, IS MY POINT.
YOU ASKED ME A MINUTE AGO HOW MANY I CAN'T TELL YOU THE NUMBER OF LIGHTS, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE SPEND A LITTLE MORE THAN $42,000 A YEAR PAYING FOR STREET LIGHTS.
WELL, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT.
THESE BENEFITS OR WHATEVER THAT'S OFFERED TO THE COUNTY.
THESE THINGS ARE PAID FOR BY TAXES THAT THE PEOPLE PAY.
AND THEN THESE ARE BENEFITS THAT ARE OFFERED BACK TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY PAYING THE TAXES.
SO THEN I THINK THAT THIS IS GOOD AND I'M GLAD YOU POINTED OUT IT IS A POLICY AND I THINK WE SHOULD.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS APPROVED.
AND IF OTHERS HAVE A REASON TO DO IT, LET THEM PRESENT IT.
AND THEN WE MAKE A DECISION BASED ON THE MERITS OF THAT PARTICULAR REQUEST.
THINKING ABOUT IT, I'VE GOT TO ADMIT I THINK MR. BROWN'S REQUESTS FOR HIS LIGHT HAS AS MUCH MERIT AS THIS.
I DON'T WANT TO GET IN THE POSITION OF MAKING DECISIONS ON THINGS LIKE THIS THAT YOU KNOW IT, WE TURN ONE DOWN, AND WE OK THE OTHER ONE.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE, WHAT YOU KNOW? THAT'S MY OPPOSITION TO IT.
I DON'T WANT TO OPEN PANDORA'S BOX.
I'VE HAD SEVERAL REQUESTS IN MY DISTRICT.
WELL, I WOULD WELL, THERE'S A MOTION, BUT NOT A SECOND.
I WOULD CALL FOR THE QUESTION THEN.
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OKAY, WE'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE THEN.ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
THAT'S ALL THAT CAN BE ASKED FOR.
I THINK IT HAS MERIT, BUT I JUST DON'T WANT TO OPEN PANDORA'S BOX.
ALL I PROMISED WAS THAT I'D RUN IT THROUGH THE PROCESS.
MR. GILLETTE YOU'VE DONE YOUR JOB.
IT'S GOING TO COME UP PROJECT UPDATES.
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COURTHOUSE RENOVATION.MIKE ANYTHING NEW THERE? OF COURSE THERE'S ALL SORTS OF PROBLEMS, I GUESS.
WELL, NO, I WOULDN'T SAY ALL SORTS OF PROBLEMS, BUT IT'S BEEN A BUSY MONTH.
WE BEGAN MOVING THE OCCUPANTS AND THE FURNISHINGS AND FIXTURES OUT OF THE COURTHOUSE ON JANUARY THE 3RD OVER TO HUNTERDALE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
WE'VE GOT EVERYBODY SET BACK UP OVER THERE.
LAST WEEK, WE STARTED THE FIRST JURY TRIAL THAT WILL BE HEARD OVER THERE IN THE CAFETORIUM AT HUNTERDALE.
THE FEEDBACK I'VE GOTTEN FROM JUDGE FARMER TODAY INDICATED THAT ALL IN ALL, THE FACILITY IS FUNCTIONING WELL.
WE'VE GOT A FEW TWEAKS WE NEED TO MAKE OVER THERE, BUT HE'S, I THINK, VERY PLEASED WITH THE FACILITY THUS FAR, SO IT'S GOING TO BE HOME FOR THEM FOR THE NEXT 16 TO 18 MONTHS.
OVER HERE AT THE COURTHOUSE IN CORTLAND, THE ASBESTOS ABATEMENT IS UNDERWAY.
RIGHT NOW, THEY'VE GOT TO GET ASBESTOS FLOOR TILES, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS OUT BEFORE THE DEMOLITION CAN BEGIN.
SO THAT ABATEMENT PROCESS WILL PROBABLY TAKE ABOUT ANOTHER TWO WEEKS THEREAFTER.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF UNDERGROUND UTILITY EXCAVATION THAT WILL OCCUR ON THE BACK CORNER OF THE PROPERTY.
NEAREST THE JAIL IS WHERE YOU'LL SEE THE PREDOMINANCE OF ACTIVITY INITIALLY AND THEREAFTER THEY'LL BEGIN ACTUALLY DEMOLITION OF PORTIONS OF THE STRUCTURE THAT ARE TO BE DEMOLISHED.
SO THE GAME PLAN IS TO HOPEFULLY GET THE NEW FACILITY DRIED IN BY NEXT OCTOBER AND THEN HAVE IT READY FOR OCCUPANCY BY APRIL 2023.
STILL ON BUDGET AT THIS POINT.
WHAT WAS IN OUR PACKET WAS ACCURATE, SLOW, BUT SURE.
HOW ABOUT THE INSURRECTION TRAIL, ANY PROJECT SAYS SLOW BUT STEADY PROGRESS.
GOT ANY IDEA WHEN THAT CAN BE COMPLETED? HOPEFULLY BY AUGUST 21ST.
[INAUDIBLE] HOUSING AND DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS PHASE ONE.
EVIDENTLY WE'RE UNDERWAY THERE.
WE GOT A CONTRACT SIGNED WITH DHCD EARLIER THIS MONTH.
WE HAVE SENT OUT THE CONTRACTS WITH THE THREE SUB CONSULTANTS THAT WILL BE DOING THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT, THE HOUSING REHAB PIECE AND THEN THE ENGINEERING IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE STORMWATER.
SO THOSE CONTRACTS HAVE BEEN SENT OUT.
I'M WAITING FOR THOSE TO COME BACK, GET THEM EXECUTED AND WE'LL GET THIS THING MOVING.
MOVE ON TO MISCELLANEOUS, ANNUAL FILING.
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MR. JOHNSON, ANYBODY HADN'T FILED ON THE BOARD? I'VE GOT ALL SEVEN OF YOURS.THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COOPERATION IN THAT AND I'M STILL WAITING ON SOME.
I'VE GOT A HANDFUL OF PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, BZA MEMBERS AND INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MEMBERS WHO I HAVE NOT HEARD FROM THAT I WILL BE IN TOUCH WITH SOON.
THOSE PEOPLE, I WILL ADD, ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THE CIVIL PENALTY.
THE NEXT ONE IS JOINT MEETING WITH THE COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD.
I MIGHT ASK MR. JOHNSON, WE HAD REPLIED.
BACK TO THEM ASKING ABOUT ASKING QUESTIONS, ET CETERA, HAVE WE'VE HEARD ANYTHING BACK ON THAT? NO, SIR.
SO THEY HAVE TENTATIVELY SET UP TWO DATES, FEBRUARY 8TH AND 9TH, WHEN THE FACILITATOR AND THE WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT CENTER ARE AVAILABLE.
SO SUBJECT TO YOUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT.
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I'VE GOT A CONFERENCE CALL SET UP TOMORROW WITH DR.SHANNON AND THE MEETING FACILITATOR TO BEGIN TO TALK ABOUT THE DETAILS OF HOW THE SESSION WOULD BE FACILITATED.
BUT I WANTED TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK AND INPUT TONIGHT BEFORE THAT, THAT CONFERENCE CALL TOMORROW.
AND WHO IS THE FACILITATOR? THE FACILITATOR IS MR. CHARLES HARGROVE.
HE'S THE DIRECTOR OF THE VIRGINIA INSTITUTE OF GOVERNMENT AT UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA, THE WELDON COOPER CENTER.
HIS BACKGROUND IS SIMILAR TO MINE.
HE WAS A TOWN MANAGER FOR THE TOWN OF ASHLAND, A DEPUTY CITY MANAGER IN THE CITY OF LYNCHBURG, AND THEN WENT TO WORK FOR THE INSTITUTE OF GOVERNMENT APPROXIMATELY FIVE YEARS AGO.
WELL, MY POSITION IS WITH A NEW ADMINISTRATION IN RICHMOND AND KNOWING WHAT THE INITIAL POLICIES ARE COMING OUT OF THAT DOE THE NEW APPOINTMENTS, WE SHOULD CERTAINLY TRY TO GET SOMEBODY FROM THE SUPERINTENDENT OF PUBLIC INSTRUCTION.
THAT'S GOING TO BE THE GUIDELINES SET FORTH BY PUBLIC SCHOOLS FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS.
AND I THINK WE NEED SOMEBODY FROM THAT OFFICE TO COULD BE AN AIDE COULD BE SOMEBODY THAT IS ON THE STAFF THERE TO ATTEND THE MEETING.
ADDITIONALLY, WE'VE GOT SOME UNANSWERED QUESTIONS OF THE SCHOOL BOARD THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ANSWERED SINCE JULY THAT ARE PRETTY IMPORTANT AND WE NEED ANSWERS TO THOSE.
AND AS I HAVEN'T TALKED WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT OR THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD SIMPLY BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN INSTRUCTED TO GET OUR INFORMATION TO MR. JOHNSON, AND HE FOLLOWED IT TO DR.
SO I VIRTUALLY HAVE NO CONTACT WITH MY SCHOOL BOARD REPRESENTATIVE.
AND THAT'S PROBLEMATIC FOR ME AS A CITIZEN FOR INFORMATION, BUT THAT'S BEEN CUT OFF BY THE PROCESS SET BY THE SCHOOL BOARD.
NOW, HAVING SAID THAT, I DEFINITELY IF WE ATTEND THIS MEETING, WANT IT UNRESTRICTED TO QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED FROM THE FOIA REQUEST THAT WAS SENT OUT IN JULY THAT HAD NOT BEEN ADEQUATELY ANSWERED.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THE REST OF THE BOARD FEELS, BUT I CERTAINLY WANT TO ENTERTAIN THOSE THOSE ISSUES BECAUSE THAT'S WHY THEY SET UP THE PROCESS AND WE AGREED TO FOLLOW IT IN THE BEGINNING WAS TO COME TOGETHER AND GET THEM ON THE TABLE AND RESOLVE THEM.
THIS IS NOT ANYTHING BUT COUNTY BUSINESS AND WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT AND GET IT SOLVED.
AND SO MR. JOHNSON, MY MY SENTIMENTS ARE IF THEY ARE AGREEABLE TO THAT, WHICH IS THE PROCESS THEY SET UP TO BEGIN WITH.
BUT IF IT'S RESTRICTED TO ONE TOPIC.
WE'RE STILL LEFT WITH A LOT OF UNANSWERED ISSUES.
I HAVE TO EXPOUND ON THAT, I AGREE 100 PERCENT, I FELT THAT WHAT WAS IN THE PAPER WAS TO ME WAS I GOT TO BE HONEST WAS A SLAP IN THE FACE.
LET'S HAVE A MEETING, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING, BUT WE'RE GOING TO TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING TO GO ON, NOW.
AS SUPERVISOR GILLETTE, THAT WE COULD ASK QUESTIONS AND WE HAVE UNANSWERED QUESTIONS OF JULY.
AND I'D LIKE FOR EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD TO BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS.
SO I THINK WE'VE BEEN WE'VE BEEN RESTRICTED TO JUST THE RESOLUTION THAT WE HAD, WHICH WON'T ANSWER ALL THESE QUESTIONS.
NOW, AS FAR AS THE FACILITATOR GOES FOR MY RESEARCH, THE FACILITATOR IS NOT A NEUTRAL PERSON.
AND I'VE TALKED TO SOME PEOPLE UP AT UVA.
AND THIS IS NOT A NEUTRAL FACILITATOR.
NOW, FOR THEM TO UNILATERALLY CHOOSE A FACILITATOR IS NOT RIGHT, EITHER.
THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING BY MUTUAL AGREEMENT.
I'M NOT GOING TO A MEETING UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES.
I DON'T FEEL THIS BOARD SHOULD BE OBLIGATED TO DO THAT.
ALL WE'VE ASKED FOR IS AN HONEST MEETING TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS TO GET TOGETHER, GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER.
AND I DON'T LIKE ALL THESE STIPULATIONS.
THERE WAS TIME FOR US TO GO TO A MEETING LIKE THIS ON A PRE-PLANNED, COORDINATED
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MEETING LIKE THIS.AND NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING.
SHANNON COULD HAVE SOMEONE ATTEND FROM THE SUPERINTENDENT OF PUBLIC INSTRUCTION OFFICE.
THAT THAT'S WHERE THIS THESE KINDS OF ISSUES, THE ANSWERS NEED TO COME FROM.
LET ME BE CLEAR SHE IS SEARCHING FOR SOMEBODY FROM THE SUPERINTENDENT OF PUBLIC INSTRUCTION OFFICE TO BE THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT THAT NIGHT.
BUT NOT THE NOT THE FACILITATOR.
WELL, THEN, WELL, I'M AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
WELL, WE HAVE TO CLEAR UP IS WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT OTHER ISSUES.
THEY WANT TO COMBINE JUST AS TO ONE LITTLE NARROW THING THAT DOESN'T SOLVE ANYTHING.
WE HAVE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN UNANSWERED SINCE JULY.
WE'VE BEEN STRAIGHTFORWARD THAT, ABOVE BOARD YOU WANT TO ASK US QUESTIONS.
I DON'T FEEL UNLESS, YOU KNOW, WE PUT DOWN OUR SOME OF OUR OWN STIPULATIONS THAT WE'RE EVER GOING TO GET THESE QUESTIONS ANSWERED, AND THEY'RE NOT BAD QUESTIONS, I MEAN, THEY'RE LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS DEALING WITH TAXPAYERS MONEY WITH EDUCATION.
AND YOU KNOW, AND IT'S ALL FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PEOPLE BEING EDUCATED, NOT US.
AND SO THAT'S THAT'S THE WAY I FEEL ABOUT IT, I STILL HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THEY DIDN'T SHOW UP FOR THE OCTOBER MEETING.
WE HAD ONE SCHEDULE AS FAR AS I KNEW IN OCTOBER.
WE INVITED THEM IN IN NOVEMBER, TWENTY OR TWENTY ONE TO COME TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND TELL US ABOUT THE ROOFS.
AND THEY SAID, NO, THEY WEREN'T COMING TO THERE AND THEY DECLINED ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
AND WE WERE TRYING TO FIND OUT WHERE THE $5 MILLION THAT WE HAD GIVEN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM HAD GONE AND WELL, THE ROOF IS STILL LEAKING AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER ON THAT.
AND WE ASKED TO LOOK AT THE AT THE ROOMS, AND THEY SAID, NO, YOU CAN'T DO IT.
I'LL BE GLAD TO GO TO MEETING IF IT'S OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.
ALL THESE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE UNANSWERED OR ANSWERED.
ARE THEY TRYING TO ANSWER THEM? AND THERE BE MORE FLEXIBILITY GIVE AND TAKE IN THE SITUATION INSTEAD OF JUST HANDING US THIS IS THE WAY THE MEETING IS GOING TO BE.
THESE ARE THE RULES A, B AND C.
I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE DO HAVE SOMEBODY FROM THE STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION OK I AGREE WITH THAT, OK, BECAUSE THINGS ARE CHANGING WITH THE NEW ADMINISTRATION, THINGS WILL CHANGE.
NOW, AS FAR AS THE AGENDA, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT.
THIS PARTICULAR MEETING JUST BEING WHAT THE SCHOOL BOARD HAS OUTLINED BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING PEOPLE COME DOWN TO LISTEN TO OUR PROBLEM, OK, AND TO LISTEN TO THIS.
AND I THINK THAT SOMEBODY FROM THE STATE SCHOOL BOARD CERTAINLY HAS A SAY IN THIS.
BUT THE OTHER PROBLEMS QUESTIONS WE HAVE, I DON'T SEE WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IT AT THE MEETING WHERE WE ARE HAVING THESE PEOPLE COME DOWN TO.
I AGREE THAT WE NEED SOME FOLLOW UP.
THE SCHOOL BOARD AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, WE DO NEED TO GET TOGETHER AND FOLLOW IT, BUT I DON'T THINK THIS SETTING IS THE ONE FOR THAT.
I THINK THEY SHOULD BE, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD BE TOGETHER.
AS A STIPULATION FOR US TO GO TO THIS MEETING THAT WE COULD ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SUBJECT AND HAVE A PART IN CHOOSING THE FACILITATOR.
BUT THEN ALSO I LIKE THE STIPULATION THAT WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING.
THAT WE CAN ASK THESE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ANSWERED.
RIGHT, AND HOPEFULLY THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE ONGOING.
WELL, I WANT A GUARANTEE FROM THEM THAT THIS ISN'T THE LAST MEETING.
I HAVE A FEELING, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THEY HAVEN'T ANSWERED THOSE QUESTIONS IN EIGHT NINE MONTHS.
I MEAN, Y'ALL, Y'ALL LEFT THAT MEETING BACK DURING THE SUMMERTIME WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL EVERY OTHER MONTH.
THAT WAS THE MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING AMONG BOTH SIDES.
SO THAT I GUESS THAT'S MY FAIR AND.
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OK, WHEN WE SET THE MEETING QUARTERLY, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE SPEAKERS] CHAIRMAN, VICE CHAIRMAN, MR. JOHNSON.OH, YEAH, I AND STILL COULDN'T OKAY.
OBVIOUSLY, THERE WAS A BREAKDOWN WITH THAT.
AND AND BUT WE CAN'T LET THAT BREAKDOWN BE, YOU KNOW, A STOPPER FOR US.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH US SAYING THAT, OK, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THESE MEETINGS THAT WERE PLANNED BEFORE.
BUT WHAT I THINK WE HAVE TO DO, THOUGH, IS SORT OF BREAK THROUGH SOME ICE HERE.
AND I THINK IF WE GET TOGETHER HERE AND WITH THESE FACILITATORS AND ALL THIS COULD BE, THIS COULD.
IT HAS POTENTIAL TO BE THE START OF SOMETHING MUCH BETTER.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO TRY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT OPPORTUNITY AND DO IT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE, I THINK THERE IS FRICTION.
OKAY? AND I CAN IMAGINE THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD FEELS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DICTATE TO THEM .
BUT THEY'RE THE ONES SETTING ALL THE PARAMETERS.
OKAY, RIGHT? THAT I FEEL THAT THAT'S THAT THAT IS A SITUATION.
I THINK WE CAN OVERCOME THAT, RIGHT? WOULD IT BE ALL RIGHT WITH YOU IF THEY'D AGREED TO US TO A SECOND MEETING? I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THIS ONGOING MEETING.
ALRIGHT WHAT IF THEY DON'T AGREE TO THAT? THEN WHAT WOULD YOU DO? THEY DIDN'T AGREE TO THE OCTOBER MEETING.
IF THEY DON'T AGREE TO THAT, I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY.
MR. FAISON DO YOU THINK WE NEED TO GET THE JULY THE JULY ISSUES STRAIGHTENED OUT BEFORE WE? NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
I THINK THIS SHOULD BE A BEGINNING OF A RELATIONSHIP THAT I THINK CAN WE CAN HAVE IF WE GO THROUGH THIS OPEN MINDED AND HAVE IT DISCUSSED THIS POINT.
BUT I CERTAINLY HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH US SAYING THOUGH WE EXPECT TO HAVE CONTINUED WITH THE.
WELL, THE MEETINGS [INAUDIBLE] AND DISCUSS THOSE THINGS OK AT THOSE MEETINGS.
WELL, THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE IS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THIS ONE.
WELL, THEN I THINK LET US TAKE CARE OF THAT.
OK, LET US DO THAT AND THEN WE CAN SEE WHERE WE'RE STAYING.
AND THAT'S WHY WE NEED SOMEONE FROM THE SUPERINTENDENT OF PUBLIC INSTRUCTION.
AND I AGREE WITH THAT 100 PERCENT.
I AGREE WITH THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT.
CARL, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND YOU COMPLETELY IN YOUR AGREEMENT WITH, BECAUSE I AGREE TOO THAT, WE NEED THAT REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION.
[INAUDIBLE] IT IS BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING IT NEEDS TO BE THE FACILITATOR.
YOU'RE JUST SAYING IT NEEDS TO BE AND I THINK IT'S BETTER TO HAVE THAT PERSON AS AN ADVISER.
WE DON'T NEED A FACILITATOR FROM UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA WHEN THE AUTHORITY IS GOING TO COME FROM THE SUPERINTENDENT OF PUBLIC CONSTRUCTION.
THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO STICK WITH.
I THINK THAT FACILITATORS COULD SERVE A PURPOSE, THOUGH, BECAUSE THE FACILITATOR WILL BE THE ONE WHO SEEING THAT THE MEETING IS KEPT, IS FOCUSED AND IS ON, YOU KNOW, AND .
HAVE YOU RESEARCHED THIS FACILITATOR THEY CHOSE? SOME OF US HAVE.
I'VE HEARD SOME VERY POSITIVE THINGS ABOUT IT.
AND I THINK WE HEAR WHAT WE SEEK.
WELL, HE'S TWEETED THINGS ONLINE THAT YOU CAN READ.
I MEAN, IF YOU IF YOU GET A HOLD OF THOSE AND READ THEM, THEN PROBABLY WOULD AGREE WITH.
HE IS NOT A NEUTRAL FACILITATOR.
I WOULD AGREE WITH HIM AND ANYBODY WE GET PROBABLY WON'T BE TOTALLY NEUTRAL IN TERMS OF THEIR STANDING ON AN ISSUE.
BUT THEY'LL BE PROFESSIONAL AND BE NEUTRAL IN TERMS OF THE WAY THAT THEY CONDUCT THE MEETING BECAUSE THERE'S NOWHERE IN THE WORLD WE GOING TO GET SOMEBODY WHO IS GOING TO AGREE WITH ALL OF US.
WE HAVE TO GET SOMEBODY WHO IS PROFESSIONAL AND CAN KEEP US FOCUSED, AND THAT'S IT.
THAT'S WHAT THE FACILITATOR WITH IS FOR.
HOW WOULD THIS? I TRY TO PUT MYSELF IN THEIR SHOES FOR A MINUTE, HOW WOULD THEY HAVE FELT IF WE TOOK IT UPON OURSELVES? AS WE WORK TOWARDS THIS ITEM NUMBER B JOINT MEETING WITH THE COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD, JOINT MEETING, THAT MEANS IT'S A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT BETWEEN BOTH BOARDS, HOW WOULD THEY HAVE FELT? HAD WE DICTATED TO THEM WHAT WAS GOING TO BE ON THE AGENDA, NOT BE ON THE AGENDA? AND HAD WE PICKED OUR OWN FACILITATOR WITHOUT ANY CONSULTATION WITH THEM AT ALL? I THINK WE KNOW HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT IT, THEY FEEL SLIGHTED AND THEY FEEL DISAPPOINTED THAT THEY WEREN'T INCLUDED IN THAT PART OF THE SELECTION PROCESS FOR THEIR JOINT
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MEETING WITH WITH US.I DON'T THINK THAT'S I DON'T THINK THAT'S UNREASONABLE ANYWAY.
I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING IS THAT WE GET THROUGH THIS MEETING AND GO FORWARD, AND IF WE CAN FACE THIS MEETING OPEN MINDEDLY, OK, KNOWING THAT THERE IS NO PERFECT MEETING, IF WE SET IT UP, IF THEY SET IT UP OR WHOEVER, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE IT PERFECTLY ACCORDING TO ALL THAT THEY WANT OR ALL THAT WE WANT.
BUT WE CAN GO INTO IT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WANT TO MEET AND WE WANT TO GET THE BEST OUT OF THIS THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN AND RESPECT ONE ANOTHER.
AND THEN THE MEETING WILL PROBABLY BE A GOOD THING IF WE CAN GO INTO IT THAT WAY.
I WANT TO GUARANTEE THAT THEY WILL.
THESE MEETINGS WILL BE CONTINUED.
I MEAN, SO FAR IT HADN'T BEEN.
BUT WHEN I GO TO THIS MEETING WHERE I CAN'T ASK QUESTIONS, WHATEVER.
I'M AGAINST THAT TO BEGIN WITH.
AND I'M AGAINST AND WE GET TOGETHER ON THE RULES ON THIS MEETING.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE IT DICTATED AND IT WAS DICTATED IN THE PAPER TOO.
THIS IS A RULE [INAUDIBLE] MEETING AND OK, THAT'S IT.
SO THAT'S NOT A GOOD ATTITUDE.
AND IF THEY'D BE WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, WE COULD COMPROMISE WHEN YOU COME TO SOME SOLUTION, THAT'D BE OK.
I WANT TO BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS, THEN I WOULD.
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF GUARANTEE.
OK, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING WITHIN 60 DAYS AND ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS, PLEASE.
NOW, IF THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO DO THAT, THEN I SUSPECT THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS.
WELL, CAN WE ASK MR. JOHNSON? FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD CHAIRMAN, I WOULD THINK TO GIVE US TWO DATES, ONE TO CLARIFY THE FOIA REQUEST FROM THE JULY MEETING AND THE SECOND MEETING SHOULD BE, IN MY OPINION, HELD AGAIN TO THE POLICIES SET FORTH BY THE SUPERINTENDENT OF PUBLIC INSTRUCTION, THERE IS NO NEED TO GO INTO SOMEONE ELSE'S VIEWPOINT.
ON THE MATTER AND THE MATTER IS THE QUESTION OF THE CONTENT OF THE CURRICULUM, AND THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO COME FROM THE SUPERINTENDENT OF PUBLIC INSTRUCTION, SO THAT PERSON NEEDS TO BE AT THAT MEETING AND THEN WE NEED TO MEET WITH THE THREE MEMBER PANEL.
MR. JOHNSON, CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR, MEETING WITH SUPERINTENDENT, CHAIRMAN OF THE SCHOOL BOARD AND VICE CHAIR OF THE SCHOOL BOARD.
LET'S GET THAT ONE OUT OF THE WAY FIRST, AND THEN LET'S HAVE A MEETING WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT'S OFFICE BEING PRESENT.
TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS PERTAINING TO THAT AGENDA, THERE'S NO NEED TO HAVE ANYBODY ELSE THERE.
I MEAN, THE AUTHORITY IS COMING FROM DOE IT'S NOT COMING FROM A PROFESSOR AT UVA.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE UNDER THE SAME THING.
LET ME JUST CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS.
YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD REFERENCE THAT THERE WASN'T ANY COLLABORATION, AND I THINK I SHARED WITH YOU ALL IN THAT EMAIL OF 111, DR.
SHANNON DID CALL ME IN ADVANCE OF TALKING TO THE FACILITATOR AND LET ME KNOW WHAT OUR PLAN WAS.
SO IT WASN'T DONE IN A VACUUM.
SO I WANT TO DISCLOSE THAT TO YOU ALL.
WHAT CHARLES WOULD BRING TO THE TABLE IS HIS BACKGROUND.
AS A FACILITATOR, HE HAS A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF A GOVERNING BODY AS IT AFFECTS THE WAY WE DELIVER PUBLIC EDUCATION AND ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF A SCHOOL BOARD AS WE DELIVER PUBLIC EDUCATION.
I THINK THAT A LOT OF THIS FRICTION IS PEOPLE FEEL LIKE.
AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK CHARLES ADDS REAL VALUE TO THIS DISCUSSION IS KEEPING EVERYBODY ON TRACK INTO WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT.
I DON'T KNOW FROM WHAT I'VE LOOKED AT, THE REFERENCES AND THINGS HE'S WRITTEN, I
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CAN'T AGREE WITH THAT.I THINK HE'S NOT A NEUTRAL FACILITATOR BY ANY MEANS.
I MEAN, KEEP IN MIND WHERE THE WORD IS FACILITATOR, NOT MEDIATOR, HE'S NOT TRYING TO ISSUE JUDGMENT FOR EITHER SIDE.
HE'S SIMPLY THERE TO TRY TO FACILITATE THE MEETING.
KEEP IT ON TRACK AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY.
KEEP WILLIAM HART IN HIS LANE.
WELL, I THINK AS LONG AS WE CAN ASK SOME QUESTIONS AND THEN THEY SHOULD LET US ASK A FEW QUESTIONS.
I MEAN, IS IT ANY WAY WE CAN GET THEM TO LET US JUST TALK TO THEM AND? I CAN CERTAINLY HAVE THAT DISCUSSION TOMORROW.
YEAH, I MEAN, LET'S HAVE A FACILITATOR.
LET'S GET TOGETHER AND ASK A FEW.
ALL WE WANT TO ASK IS A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BUILDING, WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP.
WE'RE NOT HERE TO TRY TO RUN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
WE DON'T WANT TO RUN A SCHOOL SYSTEM.
WELL, IT'S TOTALLY FOREIGN TO ME, HAVING SPENT A CAREER.
GIVING REPORTS TO HOUSE APPROPRIATIONS, SENATE FINANCE IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, WORKING FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE, BUT YET REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION COMING FROM THE LEGISLATIVE SIDE.
I CAN'T IMAGINE ME TELLING EARL DICKERSON, BLESS HIS SOUL, HE'S DEAD AND GONE.
EARL, I'M NOT COMING TO YOU MEETING.
I MEAN, MAN ALIVE, WHICH IS THE WAY THEY TOLD US, WE'RE NOT COMING TO YOUR MEETING.
GET VERY FAVORABLE RESULTS FROM APPROPRIATING AGENCIES WITH THAT KIND OF A RESPONSE.
AND I DON'T THINK IT'S ANY DIFFERENT FOR COUNTY.
YES, WE DON'T HAVE AUTHORITY TO RUN A SCHOOL SYSTEM, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.
BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN INFORMATION THAT WE DO NEED IN ORDER TO CARRY OUT OUR FUNCTION AS APPROPRIATING AGENCY.
AND I THINK CHARLES CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT.
AND THAT'S THE WAY THE GOVERNMENT WORKS AND.
I DON'T THINK IN THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION WHEN BUDGET COMES UP, I DON'T THINK MEMBERS OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE.
I MEAN, I BUMP INTO THE PRESIDENT OF VIRGINIA TECH GOING IN AND OUT OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
WHAT THE HECK IS HE DOING UP THERE? HE'S ASKING FOR MONEY.
THAT'S THE WAY THE GOVERNMENT WORKS IN VIRGINIA.
THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT WORKS, AND THAT'S ALL I'M EXPECTING AS A MEMBER OF THIS BOARD I'M LOOKING AFTER THE TAXPAYERS DOLLARS.
SO IF THEY WANT TO CONDUCT BUSINESS IN THAT MANNER, I'M ALL FOR IT, BUT IF THEY'RE NOT, WE DON'T HAVE MUCH TO GO ON.
AND IF THESE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW IT, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY CONTROLS WHAT HAPPENS IN VIRGINIA THROUGH THE BUDGET.
THE REVENUE SLICED UP EVERY YEAR.
AND EVERYBODY IS UP THERE FOR THEIR PIECE OF THE PIE.
GOODWIN, DR. SHANNON UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S AN UNDERSTANDING WE HAVE TO HAVE.
AND SO IF YOU CAN CONVEY THAT THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
OKAY, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE EIGHTH OR THE NINTH FOR THIS MEETING? DEPENDS ON WHAT ANSWERS WE GET BACK.
CAN WE ASK QUESTIONS? I DON'T I DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW WE'RE LEAVING IT UP TO MR. JOHNSON AND DR.
SHANNON TO SET UP THESE TWO MEETINGS BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO GO AROUND IN CIRCLES FROM NOW UNTIL.
EXECUTIVE ORDER NUMBER ONE CRT IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE A MOOT POINT.
AND BUT I THINK THAT WE THIS MEETING COULD BE VERY FRUITFUL AND I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO SEE IT, AND IF AND WHATEVER COMES FROM THE BOARD OF EDUCATION OF THE STATE OF VIRGINIA.
THAT'S WHAT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM HAS TO GO BY.
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AND WITH MR. HARGROVE, HARGRAVE.HARGROVE THERE, OK, AND THEN A PERSON FROM THIS STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION THERE, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD COMBINATION FOR US TO HAVE A PRODUCTIVE MEETING.
WELL, I CERTAINLY WON'T GO INTO THAT MEETING SAYING THIS IS GOING TO COME OUT OF THAT MEETING.
I GO INTO THAT MEETING OPEN MINDED AND AND WITH MY EARS OPEN.
THE MEETING'S NOT THE ONLY CONSIDERATION AS FAR AS I CAN SAY, IT'S.
SO FAR, THEY HAVE A POOR TRACK RECORD.
OKAY, WE MADE LEGITIMATE AND I THINK THE LAST TIME WE SENT THEM A NOTICE LIKE A MONTH IN ADVANCE, YOU KNOW, TO COME IN AND TALK ABOUT THE RESOLUTION.
AND IT WAS PREVENTED, PREVENTED TO THE SCHOOL BOARD.
I THINK THAT NIGHT, OBVIOUSLY, THE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS AND THE ONE THAT I TALKED TO DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT TILL THAT NIGHT.
SO WHY WEREN'T THEY TOLD THREE OR FOUR WEEKS BEFORE THAT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT I THINK.
OKAY? WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION.
WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO ABOUT THIS MEETING.
ARE WE GOING TO HAVE THIS MEETING IS GOING TO BE ON THE 8TH 9TH WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO? WELL, I THINK IF I'M WRONG, I THINK THE CONSENSUS IS, YES, WE NEED TO HAVE THE MEETING, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE BE ABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
AND WE NEED TO BE AN ACTIVE PARTICIPANT IN PLANNING THE FRAMEWORK OF THIS MEETING.
NOW, THIS DICTATOR TOO THIS IS THE WAY THE MEETING COULD BE AND FEEL LIKE IT, TOO BAD.
I WOULD NEVER INVITE ANYBODY TO A MEETING LIKE THAT.
SO IF THEY WANT TO GO ALONG WITH THAT, I'M IN FAVOR OF GOING TO THE MEETING, SETTING UP A MEETING, BUT WITH THE STIPULATION THAT WE WANT TO GET THESE OTHER QUESTIONS ANSWERED AND WE WANT AN AGREEMENT FROM THEM THAT THEY ARE GOING TO AGREE WITH US TO MEET LATER OR WHATEVER, AND WE'LL SIT DOWN AND GO THROUGH THESE QUESTIONS.
NOW, IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO AGREE TO THAT, I KNOW THE ANSWER IS THEY'RE NOT GOING TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS.
YOU CONFUSE THAT, MR. JOHNSON.
WELL, I'VE HEARD TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, AND I NEED CLARITY.
I HEARD FROM YOU THAT YOUR PREFERENCE IS TO HAVE THE SMALL GROUP MEETING AND DEAL WITH THESE OTHER QUESTIONS FIRST AND THEN SCHEDULE THE FACILITATED SESSION.
BUT THEN I'VE HEARD HAD THE FACILITATED SESSION WITH A CONDITION THAT WE ALL AGREE TO MEET A SECOND TIME FOR THESE OTHER QUESTIONS.
WELL, THAT GETS THAT GETS THE QUESTIONS OUT OF IT OUT OF THE WAY.
AND THEN WHEN YOU BRING IN THE SOMEONE FROM THE SECRETARY.
BUT THAT'S THE SAME SAME MEETING Y'ALL BEEN TRYING TO HAVE SINCE THE SUMMERTIME.
YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE JUST KICKING THE CAN.
WE'RE DIRECTING MR. JOHNSON TO SET THAT MEETING UP FIRST.
SEND 15 MORE DATES FOR THEM TO NOT RESPOND TO WHEN THAT MEETING CAN ACTUALLY TAKE PLACE.
A MEETING IN FEBRUARY UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
WITH THE NEW APPOINTMENTS THE GOVERNMENT HAS MADE AND EVERYTHING ELSE, IT PROBABLY WORTHLESS.
IT'S ONLY THREE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE MEETING FROM EITHER SIDE.
WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS.
OR CERTAINLY THREE WEEKS THEN, THEN THE FOLLOWING MEETING CAN TAKE PLACE.
DO YOU WANT A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT? I MAKE THAT MOTION.
ALL RIGHT, WE'LL GO WITH THAT.
AND WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON FOR CLARITY, MEETING FIRST.
THE THREE JUST LIKE THEY'VE DICTATED TO US BACK DURING THE SUMMER TIME, AND DIDN'T ADHERE TO THE WHOLE REST OF THE YEAR.
AND THEN BY THEN, MAYBE BY THE TIME YOU HAVE THE MEETING TO, WE CAN GET A.
SHE WILL SHE WILL HAVE HEARD FROM THE SUPERINTENDENT OF PUBLIC INSTRUCTION.
AND THEN WE CAN SET UP THE MEETING OF BOTH BOARDS.
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AND I THINK THE MAIN THING IN THE RESOLUTION WE HAD WAS CRT AND DIVERSE OF STUDIES IN SCHOOLS.AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE SOLVED.
WELL, WE'LL FIND OUT AT THE MEETING.
SO MEETING OF FEBRUARY ABOUT THAT WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT YOU KNOW, THAT'S.
ALRIGHT [INAUDIBLE] VOTE, THOSE IN FAVOR THAT WE HAVE THE SHORT MEETING FIRST, GET THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED AND THEN SET UP A MEETING ABOUT WHAT WE ORIGINALLY HAD INTENDED.
IS THAT CLEAR, MR. JOHNSON? YES SIR.
ALL RIGHT ON THE LIGHTER THINGS HERE, WE HAVE.
ITEMS CARRIED OVER TO FEBRUARY TO COMMENT ON THAT.
JUST BRIEFLY, I HAD INDICATED LAST MONTH THEY'D BE CARRIED OVER TO THIS MONTH, BUT WE'VE RUN INTO DELAYS WITH BOTH OF THEM, SO WE'LL JUST CARRY THESE OVER TILL NEXT MONTH.
THAT IS THE BRIEFING FROM THE ALIGN RENEWABLE NATURAL GAS PROJECT.
THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF OBTAINING THEIR PERMIT FOR THEIR FACILITY THAT WILL CONVERT THE METHANE GAS WITH THE SURREY COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
SO THEY DIDN'T WANT TO JUMP THE GUN AND MAKE PRESENTATIONS HERE UNTIL THEY HAD THAT APPROVAL.
SO THEY'RE ON STANDBY AT THIS POINT, AND WE'RE CONTINUING TO REVIEW THE DRAFT APPENDICES FOR THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS PLAN, AND WE'LL GET THAT TO YOU, HOPEFULLY NEXT MONTH.
OK ANYTHING ELSE? THEN WE GO TO LATE ARRIVING MATTERS SUPERVISOR WHITE DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU
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WANTED TO BRING UP? YEAH, I HAD SOME.I'VE JUST GOT SOME, YOU KNOW, CONSTITUENTS SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY WHO WANTED TO KNOW WHAT PROCESS WOULD NEED TO BE TAKEN TO GET MUZZLE LOADER SEASON IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY.
I MYSELF, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, BUT I KNOW IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A PROBLEM IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, THE ONLY COUNTY IN THE STATE THAT DOESN'T HAVE MUZZLE.
HAD A SHERIFF WALK YOU TO [INAUDIBLE] WHEN THE MEETING'S ADJOURNED.
THE ANSWER THE PROCESS WOULD YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE PREMATURE DEATH OF ABOUT 3000 HUNTERS.
SO THE LEGAL PROCESS MR. WHITE IS DEVELOPMENT OF AN ORDINANCE, PUBLICATION, PUBLIC HEARINGS THEN BOARD ADOPTED OR NOT ADOPTED.
I'M FOR IT, SO I GUESS WE NEED TO GET THE BALL ROLLING.
I MEAN, WE HAVE TO VOTE ON IT TO GET THE BALL.
WE HAVE TO DO A VOTE TO DIRECT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE ORDINANCE.
I MEAN, DO I KNOW IN THE EARLIER THE PREVIOUS TIME IT CAME UP, YOU KNOW, TO HUNT CLUBS WITH BIG TIME AGAINST IT AND, YOU KNOW, HAD THIS GIANT MEETING, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S QUITE AS.
A STICKING POINT NOWADAYS, DO Y'ALL? I MEAN.
I DISAGREE, THE HUNT CLUB I'M IN IS A HUNDRED AND TEN PERCENT AGAINST IT.
OH, REALLY? HOW ABOUT YOU? I'M NOT GOING TO I'M NOT GOING TO COMMENT AT THE MOMENT.
IF YOU GO BACK AND TALK TO YOU PEOPLE.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'D BE IN FAVOR OF MAKE A MOTION.
WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN GET THE DRAFT ON.
AND I'LL GIVE ALL OF US TIME TO TALK TO OUR CONSTITUENTS ABOUT WHAT SPEAKERS] PROCESS IS AND WHAT DIFFERENT CLUBS THINK, AND I WOULD WANT THAT OPPORTUNITY ANYWAY TO TO TALK TO MY COMMUNITY.
SO WE HAVE TO HAVE THE MEETING AT THE SCHOOL AUDITORIUM.
WELL, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT YET.
YEAH, I MEAN, I'M I JUST I DON'T KNOW THE PROCESS.
SO THE PROCESS IS IDENTICAL TO WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE GOLF CARTS.
THEY GO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THEY KNOW I LIKE TO STILL HUNT.
I MEAN, I HAVE HUNTED WITH HUNT CLUBS.
I USED TO HUNT DAVIS [INAUDIBLE], NOT AS A MEMBER, BUT I HUNT WITH [INAUDIBLE] BECAUSE THEY HUNT SOME OF MY LAND.
BUT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MUZZLE OVERSEE.
IT'LL GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF WEEKS BEFORE THE DOGS START RUNNING.
YOU BETTER STAY ON YOUR PRIVATE LAND.
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YES.YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT BIG OF A DEAL MYSELF.
WATCHING THE PUBLIC NEWS THE LAST FEW MONTHS, BOTH BEFORE AND AFTER THE ELECTION, CONVINCING THEM THAT THERE IS AN ORGANIZATION IN THIS COUNTRY CALLED THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF SCHOOL BOARD.
AND AT LEAST ONE GROUP IN THE STATE HAS APPEALED TO THEM, AND SOMEBODY HAS WRITTEN A LETTER [INAUDIBLE] OUR DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE HAS DECLARED PUBLIC CITIZENS WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THE SCHOOLS ARE BEING OPERATED AS DOMESTIC TERRORISTS.
AND SO I'M WONDERING IF OUR LOCAL SCHOOL BOARD MAY BE GETTING SOME INFORMATION FROM ALL OVER THE REST OF THE COUNTRY.
RESIST, RESIST RESIST REPUBLIC, SUPERVISORS WHO ARE TRYING TO [INAUDIBLE].
ASK YOUR BASIC QUESTIONS, [INAUDIBLE].
IF YOU DON'T WANT YOU AND YOU AND YOU AND ME TO BE DECLARED DOMESTIC TERRORISTS BECAUSE WE'RE INTERESTED IN WHAT'S BEING TAUGHT IN OUR SCHOOLS TO OUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN, BUT THERE'S THE.
WHATEVER THAT GUY IS, MERRICK GARLAND, HE'S HE'S COME OUT IN PUBLIC AND TRIED TO INSPIRE PEOPLE WHO OPPOSE THE SCHOOL BOARD AS DOMESTIC TERRORISTS, JUST LIKE THE AL QAEDA PEOPLE OR THE PEOPLE THAT BLOW UP BUILDINGS, IT'S DISGUSTING.
ANYWAY, I JUST WANT Y'ALL TO THINK ABOUT THAT AND MAYBE GET SOME INPUT FROM HIGHER UP THAN LOCAL.
I THINK THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAD TONIGHT, I THINK EVERY MEMBER UP HERE IS INTERESTED IN WHAT'S BEST FOR THE STUDENT.
WHAT DISTRICT? WHAT DISTRICT? GO AHEAD SINCE YOU SAT HERE ALL NIGHT AND LISTEN TO THIS.
OK, WHAT I WHAT I'VE GOT IS A AND I'VE TALKED TO THE THEY CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE THE DITCH, WHICH IT SHOULD BE, IT WAS NOT.
BUT THE WATER DRAINS ON THE LOW SIDE OF MY YARD, AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE EVERY TIME IT RAINS OR WATER SORT OF BACKS UP THE YARD CONCERNED ABOUT MY FOUNDATION.
SO WHAT CAN I DO TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE? I THINK YOU JUST DID IT.
WHAT CAN Y'ALL DO [INAUDIBLE]? I THINK MR. JOHNSON PROBABLY TOMORROW WILL GET IN TOUCH WITH THE VDOT OR WHOEVER'S IN.
WHAT'S YOUR PHONE NUMBER, LARRY? THANK YOU.
OKAY, ANYTHING ELSE? MOTION TO ADJOURN.
NO, NO, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT A MINUTE.
COME BACK? I LOVE TO TELL THEM WHAT THEY NEED TO DO AND LET THEM LET THEM MAKE THE FIRST MOVE.
WHAT? THEY'VE JUST COME TO THE PUBLIC SPEAKING COMMENT PERIOD.
WE CAN'T HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD UNTIL THE ORDINANCE HAS BEEN DRAFTED.
WELL, I'M THEY CAN COME NEXT MONTH, RIGHT? THEY CAN JUST COME THE NEXT PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AND VOICE THEIR OPINION ON IT, I GUESS, IS THAT WHAT WE NEED TO DO OR DO WE? IS THAT NEXT STEP? I THINK IT COULD BE THE NEXT STEP.
YOU HAVE HAD SOME PEOPLE COME TO YOU AND THEY'RE IN FAVOR OF IT.
NOW WE KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF IT, BUT WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN FAVOR OF IT.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULDN'T BE BAD TO JUST GO ON THROUGH THE [INAUDIBLE] AND WE GET THE FULL IMPACT OF WHAT THE COUNTY FEELS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE JUST GO TALKING TO INDIVIDUALS.
A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE EXCLUDED.
SO YOU SUGGESTING WE MOVE TO HAVE THE ORDINANCE IN THE PUBLIC HEARING OR JUST? YES.
I TEND TO AGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE THE FIRST STEP.
IT WOULD BE A FIRST READING, ADVERTISE IT NEXT MONTH.
FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE ARGUMENT HERE.
TO TALK TO US ABOUT IT IS IF THERE'S ACTUAL.
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YEAH.I MEAN, IT DOESN'T FORCE US TO TAKE ANY ACTION EITHER WAY, IT JUST HOPEFULLY WILL.
BUT IT GIVES EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY ALL RIGHT.
SO WE'LL DEVELOP A DRAFT FOR FIRST READING NEXT MONTH, IS THAT YOUR PLEASURE? YEAH, I MEAN, IT IS MINE I DON'T KNOW.
DO WE HAVE TO VOTE ON IT? I MOVE THAT WE DO THAT.
SO YOU SECONDED ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.
ALL OPPOSED RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
I STILL LOVE BOTH OF Y'ALL AND I'M NOT SAYING I'M IN FAVOR OF IT AT ALL.
I BASICALLY FEEL WE DON'T NEED TO GO LOOKING FOR TROUBLE.
WE GOT WE GOT ENOUGH TO DO WITHOUT LOOKING FOR TROUBLE.
NOW WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR TROUBLE.
WHAT IF THERE ARE CITIZENS IN THIS COUNTY WHO'S CONCERNED ABOUT SOMETHING? THAT'S HOW THIS ISSUE IS GOING TO ADDRESS.
LET THEM GET TOGETHER AND AND, YOU KNOW, TELL THEM TO MAKE THE MOVE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I SENT YOU ALL AN EMAIL OR FORWARDED AN EMAIL TO EVERYBODY THIS MORNING THAT I RECEIVED OVER THE WEEKEND FROM MS. [INAUDIBLE] FAISON, AND I TOLD HER I WAS GOING TO GIVE YOU A PRINTED COPY.
I'VE GOT THEM PRINTED IN MY OFFICE AND I'LL GO GET THEM AND HAND THEM TO YOU BEFORE YOU LEAVE.
ALRIGHT.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.