[00:00:01] WONDERFUL. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE, AND GLAD TO WELCOME EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU HERE [I. CALL TO ORDER] TONIGHT TO THE DECEMBER MEETING OF THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION. AND BEFORE WE START OUR MEETING TONIGHT, I'M GOING TO ASK IF EVERYONE WOULD STAND AS WE RECITE THE PLEDGE TO OUR FLAG. THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. I WANT TO ASK IF YOU REMAIN STANDING AT MR., CHESSON IS GOING TO COME DOWN AND LEAD US IN THE SHORT INVOCATION. IF YOU'D LIKE TO PRAY WITH ME, PLEASE DO THEIR FATHER OR WE JUST THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE THINGS YOU DO FOR US. THANK YOU FOR BEING IN CONTROL. WE THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THE ENERGY TO BE ABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT AND LORD I JUST ASK THAT YOU LEAD AND GUIDE IN OUR DISCUSSIONS. LORD AND HELP US BE MORE LOVING TO EACH OTHER. HELP US DO AND SAY THE THINGS THAT POINT OTHERS TO YOU. LORD WE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. WE ASK THAT YOU GUIDE US IN THE DECISIONS TONIGHT. THAT WOULD HELP IT. THAT WOULD BLESS YOU, LORD I PRAY THESE THINGS IN YOUR SON'S NAME. AMEN. YOU MAY BE SEATED. AGAIN, WE APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENCE HERE TONIGHT. UM, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PUBLIC HEARINGS SCHEDULED TONIGHT AND UM, ANY WAY IT'S THE DECEMBER MEETING AND WE'RE CLOSING ANOTHER YEAR OUT. AND UM, ANYWAY, APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE AND WE'LL HAVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD LATER ON IF ANYBODY WANT TO COME BACK AND TALK. SO, UM, WE'LL MOVE DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER TWO ON OUR AGENDA. [II. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] I SEE EVERYBODY HAS THEIR PACKETS IN FRONT OF THEM. HOPE YOU HAVE TIME TO READ THROUGH THEM AND REVIEW THE MINUTES AT THIS TIME. I WILL ASK IF THERE'S ANY CORRECTIONS OR ADDITIONS TO THE MINUTES AS THEY WERE PRESENTED IN THE PACKAGE. NOT THAT I SAW, SO I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. SECOND. HAVE A PROPER MOTION AND SECOND TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. [INAUDIBLE] OKAY, THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED AS PRESENTED, YOU KNOW. ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER THREE, WE HAVE OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT IS A REZONING [III. PUBLIC HEARINGS] APPLICATION. TYLER SHERMAN AND I'M GOING TO ASK IF MS. LEWIS WILL NOW PROCEED, PLEASE? SURE. THIS IS AN APPLICATION BY TYLER BLAKE SHERMAN, THE OWNER FOR A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FROM THE A-1 AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, 2CRR CONDITIONAL RURAL RESIDENTIAL. THE APPLICATION IS APPROXIMATELY FIVE ACRES TO CREATE ONE RESIDENTIAL LOT FROM A PARCEL THAT IS FORTY SIX POINT TWENTY THREE ACRES, WHICH IS A PORTION OF TAX PARCEL THIRTY SIX POINT- TWENTY SEVEN. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF WOMBLE MILL ROAD, WHICH IS STATE ROAD 626, APPROXIMATELY FOUR TENTHS OF A MILE SOUTH OF ITS INTERSECTION WITH UNITY ROAD, WHICH IS STATE ROAD 603 PROPERTIES IN THE BERLIN-IVOR VOTING AND JERUSALEM MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT. THIS IS A TYPICAL REQUEST TO CREATE A RURAL RESIDENTIAL LOT, MR. SHERMAN HAS MADE THIS REQUEST THAT THE MINIMUM LOT SIZES FORTY THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. THE MAXIMUM LOT SIZE IS FIVE ACRES. THIS IS APPROXIMATELY FIVE ACRE LOT, AND THE REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTY WILL STAY IN ITS CURRENT FORESTED USE. AND MR. SHERMAN IS HERE THIS EVENING IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM. THANK YOU, MS. LEWIS. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MRS. LEWIS BEFORE WE PROCEED WITH THE HEARING? IF NOT, I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. AT THIS TIME, ANYONE WHO LET COME FORWARD TO SPEAK ON THIS REZONING APPLICATION, YOU MAY COME FORWARD NOW. AND I ASK YOU WHEN YOU COME UP TO THE PODIUM, IF YOU'LL GIVE YOU A NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. IF YOU'D LIKE TO JUST INTRODUCE. YEAH, MR. SHERMAN PLEASE. BUT CERTAINLY IF YOU'D LIKE. WELL, IF YOU'D LIKE, YES, SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. APPRECIATE IT. [00:05:01] SHERMAN LOOKS LIKE I HAVEN'T BEEN OUT YOUR WAY TO VIEW THE, UM, THE LOT AND SUCH, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE INFORMATION, IT'S PRETTY, IT'S A FORESTED AREA, CORRECT? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO? YOU'RE GOING TO CLEAR UP A LITTLE SPOT? GOOD, OK. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SHERMAN? IT LOOKED LIKE THE INFORMATION WAS PRETTY CUT AND DRY. IT WAS LIKE AS CLOSE TO A BODY OF WATER, IS THAT CORRECT? I'M FAMILIAR WITH WOMBLE MILL ROAD, BUT I ALWAYS COME IN BY THE CHURCH. THAT'S, IS THAT BLACK CREEK, THAT'S THE BLACK CREEK ROAD RIGHT? BUT I VEER OFF AND NOT GO DOWN YOUR ROAD, BUT I KNOW WHERE THE ROAD IS AT OK? THAT'S THAT'S UP IN MR. CHESSON'S NECK OF THE WOODS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SHERMAN? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME FORWARD? AND I DON'T GIVE FOR NO MORE HOUSES BEING BUILT AROUND ME. RIGHT. I MEAN, I NEVER HAD TO GET A STOPLIGHT TO GET OUT IN THE ROAD NOW. I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT GETTING UP A PETITION AND SEE IF I CAN GET THE SPEED LIMIT DROP THAT. I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING ELSE. I MEAN, IT'S BEEN THREE, IT'S BEEN IT WAS THREE WRECKS ON THAT ROAD YESTERDAY. WOW. UNITY ROAD. SO MR. [INAUDIBLE], IS THIS TRAFFIC COMING OUT OF WOMBLE MILL ROAD? IS THAT? WOMBLE MILL ROAD SINCE THEY TARRED IT. YEAH. IT'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD. OKAY. AND IT'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON UNITY ROAD. I NEVER THOUGHT THAT I WOULD SEE WHAT'S OVER THERE IN FRONT OF ME. I'M EIGHTY THREE YEARS OLD AND I WAS BORN IN THE OLD HOUSE AND I PUT UP A NEW HOUSE AND MOVED ACROSS THE YARD INTO THAT. I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD SEE WHAT I SEE OUT THERE TODAY. RIGHT. I MEAN, IT'S PEOPLE MOVED IN HERE AND BUILT HOUSES FROM EVERYWHERE. ALL I GOT. I UNDERSTAND. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BOWLES? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. [INAUDIBLE] IT'S REALLY GOOD TO SEE Y'ALL. MY NAME IS GARY [INAUDIBLE]. I LIVE IN THE BERLIN-IVOR DISTRICT. CHESSON'S MY REPRESENTATIVE. I RECKON I CAN ECHO MR. BULL'S SENTIMENT ON THE TRAFFIC. [INAUDIBLE] VDOT'S NOT PREPARED, GIVEN US ANY ROADS TO RIDE ON, THE ROAD'S IN TERRIBLE SHAPE. AND LIKE YOU SAID THERE WAS THREE ACCIDENTS ON THAT ROAD YESTERDAY WITHIN A MILE OF HIS PROPERTY. WE'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS TRANSPORTATION IN THIS COUNTY BEFORE WE CONTINUE TO APPROVE MORE HOMES GETTING BUILT. THERE'S NOT MUCH MORE TO SAY THAN OUR ROAD SYSTEM WILL NOT SUPPORT THE HOMES THAT WE CURRENTTLY HAVE. HEY, DOUG, I'M SURE YOU TAKE SPECIAL TIME TO GO TO YOUR MAILBOX, BUT YOU DON'T DO IT AROUND EIGHT O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING. IF ANY OF Y'ALL HAVEN'T BEEN TO THAT PART OF THE COUNTY RECENTLY, YOU REALLY NEED TO TO VENTURE OUT THAT WAY, JUST RIDE THROUGH TO SEE THE HOME [INAUDIBLE]. I RECKON I SHOULD STOP THERE, BUT I'M NOT. YOU ALL GOT YOUR PLATE FULL WITH THE SOLAR ORDINANCE. AND I HAD TO GET MS. LEWIS TO REFRESH MY MEMORY, BUT IT'S BEEN SINCE 2007 SINCE WE REDONE A LOT OF ZONING IN THIS COUNTY WITH A FEW MINOR CHANGES SINCE THEN. I REALLY THINK IT'S TIME FOR US TO STEP BACK AND LOOK AT IT SOME MORE. AH LOT CHANGES. ECONOMICS CHANGES, PEOPLE'S ABILITY TO GET MONEY FOR OUR MONEY, [INAUDIBLE] HAS CHANGED OVER THE YEARS. TRY TO GET SLOW AND DELIBERATE, SO I WON'T MISS ANYTHING. OKAY. I'LL TELL YOU THE VISION, A FEW MONTHS AGO, Y'ALL APPROVED A FULL ACRE PARCEL ON [00:10:08] [INAUDIBLE] ROAD. SOLD BY THE SAME TIMBER COMPANY FOR A MAN TO ERECT ONE HOME. HE WENT RIGHT TO THE CENTER OF HIS PROPERTY. USED A LOT OF ROAD FRONTAGE AND CLEARED PART OF THE LAND TO BUILD HIS HOME, SOMETHING TELLS ME THAT MAN WANTS TO BE BY HIMSELF, HE WANTS TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT FOUR ACRES. AND NOT BE BOTHERED BY FOLKS. IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PARCEL, IF YOU ALL HAVE A MAP IN FRONT. IT'S JUST THE BEGINNING OF WHAT'S TO COME THREE YEARS FROM NOW WHEN THEY CAN APPLY TO BUILD ANOTHER HOME. LOOK AT THE WAY IT'S ALREADY BROKE OFF, YOU CAN TELL IT'S JUST GOING TO GO DOWN HILL, WHEN I SAY DOWN HILL, I MEAN DOWN HILL. HE'S ON TOP OF A CLAY HILL. HE'S GOING THROUGH THE SWAMP. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HIS INTENTIONS ARE. I HAVEN'T ASKED. NONE OF MY BUSINESS. HIS FAMILY IS A HOME BUILT HIS FAMILY IS A CERTIFIED REALTOR [INAUDIBLE]. WHEN YOU HAVE HOMEBUILDERS AND REALTORS, ALL IN THE SAME TITLE, THE ONLY THING I CAN CALL THEM IS DEVELOPERS. AND I REALLY THINK IT'S TIME FOR US TO LOOK AT HOW TO SLOW DOWN DEVELOPMENT COMING TO THIS COUNTY. IT'S TOUGH MEET THE CODE FOR THE DAY. WHAT HIS PLANS ARE THREE YEARS FROM NOW, I DO NOT KNOW. BUT I GOT A GOOD INKLING, I DO KNOW AND I MIGHT BE WRONG, BUT IF I AM. WOODS LAND. I'M A FARMER, SO WHAT DOES THAT BOTHER ME? WELL, THE SAME THING HAPPENED TO A FOSSIL ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF FARMLAND, AND NOW THERE'S A LOT THAT'S CALLED OUT OF IT TO BUILD A HOME ON. ONE CORNER PROPERTY READY FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT DOWN THE ROAD. I WAS INSTRUMENTAL WITH FARM BUREAU, GETTING LAND USE PASSED IN THIS COUNTY, AND I'M PROUD OF THAT. AND I THINK IT HAS HELPED LANDOWNERS RETAINED LAND THEY COULDN'T AFFORD TO PAY FULL TAX. I BELIEVE IT HAS CURBED AND SLOWED THE GROWTH, AND THAT'S WHAT WAS MEANT TO DO TO HELP SLOW THE GROWTH. SO THE COUNTY CAN MANAGE ITS MONEY BOTH. AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL. MYSELF ALONG THE FARM BUREAU AND OTHERS HELPED GET AG FAR FROM DISTANCE IN THIS COUNTY. NOT EVERYBODY WANTS TO PUT THE LAND IN THE DISTRICT, AND THAT'S FINE. THAT MUCH NEEDED PAPER BACK THERE. IT SHOWS HOW CLOSE MY PROPERTY IS TO WHAT'S GOING ON HERE TONIGHT. [INAUDIBLE] WELL, WE MADE A STATEMENT THE COUNTY DID, TO INDUSTRY. AND WE'RE COMMITTED TO FORESTRY, AND WE'RE COMMITTED TO AGRICULTURE FOR YEARS TO COME. AND YOU ALL COME HERE TO BRING YOUR BUSINESS HERE. AND NOW HERE IN LESS THAN SIX MONTHS TIME. WE CALLED OUT ONE HUNDRED ACRES OF TIMBER VAST LAND THAT WAS SO. MORE FARM FOSSILS THAT HAD BEEN SOLD IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED. AND I'M WONDERING, WHAT SIGNAL ARE WE SENDING TO MINISTRIES NOW THAT WE HAVE TO COME HERE TO DO BUSINESS? AS BANKS AND SHOPS, LITTLE STORES, RESTAURANTS ALL THROUGHOUT THIS COUNTY. BUT AG AND FORESTRY CONTINUE TO BE THE BREAD WINNER IN THIS COUNTY, CONTINUE TO MAKE THE WHEELS TURN. THIS IS A PLANNING COMMITTEE. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF CRYSTAL BALL YOU ALL HAVE TO LOOK AT. BUT AS A PLANNING COMMITTEE, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. AND SAY WE MIGHT HAVE SLOWED UP SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT ON THESE LOSE ALL OUR NATURAL RESOURCES, SO NOW THE INDUSTRY HAS LEFT. AND WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH [INAUDIBLE] TO SUPPORT THE BUSINESSES, OR WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIMBER. AND IP IS CLOSED UP AGAIN. I LIKE [INAUDIBLE] REMAIN RURAL. IF IT KEEPS GOING LIKE WE'RE GOING YOU CAN TAKE THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY SIGN OFF OF THE BRIDGE DOWN AT THE PUT UP MOTEL SIX. HMM. YOU'RE ENTERING A MOTEL SIX. THAT'S ALL WE'RE GOING TO BE IS A BEDROOM COMMUNITY, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE NOW. THE PEOPLE MOVING HERE AREN'T JOINING CHURCHES. THEY AREN'T SHOPPING IN [INAUDIBLE] MOST OF THEM. [00:15:02] THEY'RE NOT BUYING GROCERIES. THEY'RE GETTING IT WHEN THEY [INAUDIBLE] MY AREA OF THE COUNTY IS HIT HARD. BRAD, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. BUT YOU ALL NEED TO RIDE THAT SIDE OF TOWN. I KNOW I'M OFF BASIS FOR YOUR PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT. AND I REALIZE THEY'RE FULLY WITHIN THEIR RIGHT TO DO WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO TO SEE. BUT I'M SERIOUS, I THINK IT'S TIME FOR US TO RELOOK [INAUDIBLE] DEVELOP THEM, HOLD LAND FOR 10 YEARS BEFORE THEY CAN START DEVELOPING SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER. I WOULD LOVE [INAUDIBLE] BUT, UM, I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT HOW WE'RE LOSING LARGE TRACTS OF LAND. I HAVE A QUESTION. YES, SIR. MR. RANDALL. HAS FARM BUREAU HAD DONE A STUDY OF HOW TO MORE RESTRICT DEVELOPMENT AND MAYBE BRING US SOMETHING SOME TYPE OF RECOMMENDATION FROM FARM BUREAU BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY FARM BUREAU IS VERY INFLUENTIAL. WE'RE ALL OVER THE STATE, ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AS FAR AS THAT GOES. BUT I WENT HUNTING TODAY WITH A GENTLEMAN FROM VIRGINIA BEACH? YOU EVER HEARD OF THE GREEN LINE? I KNOW ABOUT THE GREEN LINE. NOW THAT'S A BEDROOM COMMUNITY RIGHT THERE. I THINK THE GREEN LINE IS A NICE ISLAND RIGHT ABOUT NOW, ISN'T IT? IT WASN'T SAND BRIDGE. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. AND THE COMMENT WAS MADE TODAY. AND YOU KNOW, THESE ARE DEVELOPERS, YOU KNOW, METAL BUILDINGS BECAUSE I'M IN THE STORAGE BUSINESS AND THEY LIVE IN PONGO. SO THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, UM AND THEY JUST LOOK AT SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY AND THEY'RE ENVIOUS. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE ENVIOUS OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. UM, THAT WE HAVE CONTROLLED GROWTH BETTER THAN SOME. NOT PERFECTLY, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING, BUT. BUT CERTAINLY, I KNOW THAT I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IN SOMETHING FARM BUREAU COULD PRESENT TO US OF SOME RECOMMENDATIONS IN WHAT FARM BUREAU WOULD RECOMMEND AND HELP CURBING SOME OF THE GROWTH BECAUSE I SEE YOUR CONCERNS. AND I THINK IT'S HIT CERTAIN AREAS OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, BUT OBVIOUSLY IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, HE'S FOLLOWING THE RULES. I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND TO APPROVE IT. YOU KNOW, AND HE'S GOT THE THREE YEAR AND THAT'S THE RULES WE HAVE. AND I FOLLOW THE RULES AND I'VE GOT TO RECOMMEND IT. WELL, AND WITH THE FARM BUREAU AND EVERY COUNTY IN THE STATE REPRESENTED, THERE'S A VAST AMOUNT OF KNOWLEDGE THERE. AND I CAN I CAN. I AGREE. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING YOU, IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE, I WOULDN'T ASK YOU TO PUT THAT IN PLACE AND FIND OUT WHAT ALL THE COUNTIES. WELL, I WOULD ASK. I I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO THE BOARD OF SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT WE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF GET FOCUSED ON SOLAR PANELS, SOLAR PANELS, SOLAR PANELS. UM, SO IT'D BE GOOD TO MAYBE HEAR SOMETHING FROM FARM BUREAU WITH A RECOMMENDATION. I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IN LISTENING TO YOU. I DO NOT, AND I AND I WOULD BE GLAD TO TRY TO FIND SOMETHING FOR YOU. SURE. WELL, THE BOTTOM LINE IS DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE SURE FARMERS IS PRODUCTIVE AND FORESTRY PRODUCTIVE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO KEEP IT. I MEAN, IT'S NOT PRODUCTIVE, THAT'S WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE A DUMP. A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. TARGETED HOMES TO GET BUILT AND [INAUDIBLE] AROUND [INAUDIBLE] AROUND ALREADY DEVELOPED THAT AIN'T WHERE PEOPLE WON'T TO LIVE, EVIDENTLY BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T STARTED BUILDING THERE. SEE A NEW HOUSE, [INAUDIBLE] BUT THEY WANT TO GET OUT IN THE COUNTRY. YOU'RE RIGHT. THEY'RE USING UP OUR NATURAL RESOURCES. THEY ARE MY CONCERN. SO. I CAN ASK THEM A QUESTION, MR. RANDALL, MR. EDWARDS. WISH Y'ALL VOICE YOUR CONCERNS, THE SUPERVISORS, AND SAYING WE MAY NEED TO LOOK AT THESE, THESE THINGS AGAIN. IT'S BEEN SINCE TWO THOUSAND SEVEN. AND TIMES TO CHANGE. MIGHT EASY FOR FOLKS TO DO THE MATH, OKAY. FORTY SIX ACRES OF LAND AND PAY, TWENTY TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND ACRES FOR IT. AND AFTER I CUT IT UP AND BUILT A HOME ON IT, I JUST GOT TO GET MY MONEY BACK. DON'T TAKE. I GOT I GOT A DOG THAT I CAN HOLD UP THINGS LIKE IF YOU'VE ALREADY DONE. YOU KNOW YOU DON'T TAKE THEM REAL G MANN. I. I'M JUST SAYING WE REALLY. I APPRECIATE YOU ALL Y'ALL'S HELP AND LOOKING AT ALL OF THIS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. SORRY TO SEE. [00:20:01] THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CROSS. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS JOHN GRANGE AND I LIVE AT 3368 UNITY ROAD AND MR. CROSS IS EXACTLY RIGHT. THEY DO IT FOR 44 YEARS. AND MY CONCERNS ARE EXACTLY THE SAME. I GREW UP IN VIRGINIA BEACH AND COUNCIL MEMBER WHEN CASTRO WAS LIKE, IT IS IN RURAL COUNTY SOUTH. I MOVED AWAY FROM THERE BECAUSE I DIDN'T LIKE IT AND I'VE NEVER WORN OFF A PIECE OF PROPERTY EVERY SOUTHAMPTON MS. HOMES I'VE EVER BUILT HERE OR WATCH IT OR ALREADY. COULD I HAVE BOUGHT SOME TWO DOZEN FAMILY TRANSFERS AND ALL THAT? COUNCILWOMAN THREE HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE ACRES. I HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF EVER SPLITTING UP. THIS IS MY SON IS TWENTY FIVE YEARS OLD AND CHRIS EVANS, HIS OWN COMPANY. YOU WORKED EVERY DAY JUST AS HARD AS I DO OR ANYBODY ON. EXPLAIN TO THE BILL THAT THREE THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT HOME ON HIS OWN PROPERTY OWNERS ON. AND WE NEED GROWTH HERE. BUT IT DOES JUST LIKE THERE, SAID IT NEEDS TO BE SLOW CONTROLLED GROWTH. AND I'M EXACTLY ON THE SAME PAGE WITH HIM AND ALSO MR. BULLS. APARTMENTS. PLEASE. IT COSTS SO MUCH MONEY, I WATCH VIRGINIA BEACH JUST CRUSHED THEMSELVES. BECAUSE WE HAVE TOO MANY PEOPLE MOVING IN THAT AREN'T REALLY. EFFECTIVE TAX, YOU AREN'T HELPING THE TAXES. AND YOU'RE SPENDING MORE MONEY ON ROADS, YOU'RE SPENDING MORE MONEY ON SCHOOLS, TRASH, PICK UP EVERYTHING THAT YOU ALL SPEND MONEY ON. SO WHAT YOU DO ON EDWARDS IS. FAIRLY LARGE, DECENT, NICE HOMES, NEW FAMILIES, BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO MAINTAIN WHAT IS INTERESTING. YOU CAN'T HELP, BUT PROPERTY BECOMES MORE VALUABLE THAN FARM PROPERTY. IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TIMBER PROPERTY SAME WAY. TIMBER COMPANIES ARE LEAVING HERE. BECAUSE THEY CAN TAKE THEIR MONEY AND GROW TIMBER CHEAPER SOMEWHERE ELSE. SIMPLE AS THAT. IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. I'M A REALTOR WITH [INAUDIBLE]. I BROUGHT [INAUDIBLE] PROPERTIES TO VIRGINIA. I'VE NEVER SOLD A PIECE OF PROPERTY. I SELL A LOT OF PROPERTY. NEVER SOLD A PIECE OF PROPERTY TO A DEVELOPER. I HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF DOING THAT MY WHOLE. THE REASON I GOT IN THERE. WHAT SO THAT PEOPLE WOULD BUY IT FOR RECREATIONAL USE AND APPRECIATE FOR? COULD. WELL, MY PROPERTY MANAGER, MY DEAR MOTHER, FOR MY KIDS, MY GRANDKIDS GOT FIVE KIDS, 11 GRANDKIDS AND ONE WOMAN WOULD. I AM BUILDING A PROPER HOME FOR MY DAUGHTER ON ONE OF OUR FARMS. HAVEN'T EVEN YOU HAVEN'T EVEN SPLIT THE LOT OFF OF THAT? I'VE LEFT IT IN NINETEEN NINETY EIGHT PARTIAL PROPERTY. BUT I DO HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS GARRETT'S GOT MR. GROUPS HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THEY LIVED HERE FOREVER. THE GROWTH IS GOING TO HAPPEN. AND IT'S UP TO Y'ALL, HOW IT. AND THE QUALITY OF LIVING HERE IS WONDERFUL. LIKE MR., RANDALL SAID, WHERE EVERYBODY IN TIDEWATER? YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS AT US AND. WITH THE PEOPLE EVERY DAY, I WAS ABLE TO DEVELOPERS TODAY ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY IN THE COUNTY. EIGHTEEN HUNDRED AND SEVENTY THREE ACRES. GOD SAVE. I'M TRYING TO SHOW IT TO PEOPLE FOR NOT TO TELL. WANT SOMEBODY TO GET THAT PROPERTY? AND KEEP PUTTING THE JOBS UP, DIFFERENT SUBDIVISIONS ARE. CAN BE BENEFICIAL TO THE COUNCILMAN, BUT STOPPING SOME CONTROL GROWTH. YOU CAN'T LET IT CAN'T LET IT RUN OFF THE RAILS. AND SO I JUST ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO DO THAT. SO I'VE BEEN A BUILDER AND DEVELOPER, REALTOR WIDE REGION FOR THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE [INAUDIBLE] AREA. I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HELP IN ANY WAY I CAN TO DO EXACTLY WHAT MR. ALSTON MR.. THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL. WHAT'S GOING TO BE SOLD EITHER WAY? TIMBER COMPANY TO GETTING OUT OF HERE, AND HE'S GOT FORTY THREE ACRES, HE'S PUTTING FIVE ACRES. THE ONLY REASON HE'S CUTTING THE FIVE ACRES OUT IS TO PUT THE BUILDING SITE. HE HAS NO INTENTIONS OF EVER CUTTING IT FROM THE OFFICE. WE DON'T NEED TO. WE DON'T NEED ONE. AND WE WISH QUALITY WINES APPRECIATE THOSE REALLY QUESTIONS. I'D LIKE TO GET YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION BEFORE YOU LEFT TONIGHT. [00:25:04] I'M SORRY, I LIED TO GET YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION BEFORE YOU LEAVE TONIGHT. I APPRECIATE. APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. AND IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT SOUTHAMPTON BETWEEN THE TWENTY TEN CENSUS AND THE TWENTY TWENTY CENSUS, SOUTHAMPTON POPULATION DECREASED THREE PERCENT. SO THERE MAY BE MORE HOUSES BEING IN DIFFERENT AREAS AND DIFFERENT AREAS, BUT THE TOTAL POPULATION DECREASED THREE PERCENT IN 10 YEARS. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME FORWARD? IF NOT, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE HEARING. OKAY, WE'VE HEARD THE COMMENTS FROM FROM THE APPLICANT AND OTHER CONCERNS. IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION AMONG THE BOARD MEMBERS? WE STILL HAVE A SLIDING SCALE IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, CORRECT? SO CAN HE GET ANY MORE CUTS OFF THIS PROPERTY ONCE EVERY THREE YEARS? ONE, EVERY THREE. OKAY, SO HOW MANY MORE CUTS CAN HE GET ONE DONE? OH, BUT THREE YEARS HE COULD GET WITH THE SLIDING WITH THE 40 ACRE SITE. BUT IF YOU DO THAT EVERY THREE YEARS, WHICH WHAT IS HE DOING NOW? HE'S NOT DOING ANY NOW, HE'S JUST DOING ONE RIGHT NOW. BUT IF HE CAME BACK, HE COULD DO ONE EVERY THREE YEARS TILL HE GOT DOWN TO BELOW TWENTY FIVE ACRES. SO AND THEY HAVE TO BE SO HE COULD GET. DO THREE MORE CUTS? YEAH, PROBABLY THREE. TO DO ONE EVERY THREE YEARS, BUT YOU CAN'T ACCUMULATE THOSE IF YOU DON'T DO SOMETHING IN THREE YEARS, YOU'RE STILL BACK TO ONE. YOU DON'T HAVE THREE YEARS UP, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. WELL, THOSE ARE 12 YEARS YOU WAITED 12 YEARS. YOU CAN'T PUT IT FOUR HOUSES. YOU'RE BACK TO ONE STILL. HIGH. ANYMORE. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR REMARKS? I BELIEVE THAT ANY OTHER MECHANISM WAS TWENTY FIVE ACRES AND THEN 40 AFTER THAT. ONE HOUSE FOR 40, RIGHT? IF YOU WANT TO DO SEVERAL AT A TIME, IF YOU HAVE A, YOU KNOW, 80 OR A HUNDRED ACRES AND YOU WANT TO CREATE A NUMBER OF BLOCKS, YOU GET ONE LOT FOR THE FIRST TWENTY FIVE ACRES AND ONE ADDITIONAL LOT FOR EACH ADDITIONAL 40 ACRES, BUT THAT'S TO GET THEM ALL AT ONCE. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YEAH. I MEAN, HE SEEMS TO BE DOING THINGS ACCORDING TO OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE, AND NOT THAT I MEAN, I AGREE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC GOING DOWN UNITY ROAD, AND THAT'S HAD PEOPLE HEADED TO WORK. SO AND I DO GET HELD UP GOING TO THE MAILBOX. I THINK WE PROBABLY ALL EARLY IN THE MORNING. YOU KNOW, AND AND YOU KNOW, UM, LIKE I SAY, THE APPLICANT IS MEETING ALL THE GUIDELINES THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE TODAY, AND WE HADN'T REVIEWED THOSE IN MANY YEARS. UM, LIKE MR., KROLL SAID, THOSE ROADS, YOU KNOW, THEY THEY HAVEN'T BEEN UPGRADED FROM THE TIME THAT IT'S PROBABLY, UM, SEVENTY FIVE PERCENT OR MORE. YOU KNOW, I KNOW WHERE MR. CROSS LIVES, BUT LIKE I SAID, I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF HOME BUILDING GOING ON IN DIFFERENT AREAS OUT THERE. BUT THE ROADS HAVEN'T BEEN UPGRADED AS THE TRAFFIC HAS INCREASED. AND UM, YOU KNOW, THE FARMING COMMUNITY, WE DON'T HELP MATTERS AND I'LL I'LL TRY THIS AGAIN, BIGGER AND WIDER AND SUCH AS WELL. BUT WE ARE IN A RURAL COMMUNITY AND WE GOT TO LEARN TO LIVE AND WORK IN HARMONY. EVEN THOUGH IT CREATED SOME HARDSHIPS, BUT POSSIBLY YOU KNOW WHO WE GET SOME OF THESE OTHER ISSUES THAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW DILIGENTLY WITH THIS MAY BE SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT. AND I THINK MR. CROSS IS RIGHT. WE NEED TO RIDE AROUND THE COUNTY. YOU KNOW, I HADN'T I HAVEN'T BEEN IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY THAT MUCH, BUT MAYBE I SHOULD MAKE A POINT TO DO THAT. AND MAYBE YOU NEED YOU ONLY COME DOWN MY WAY. IT'S A LOT OF LITTLE AREAS THAT ARE REALLY BEING HIGHLY DEVELOPED, YOU KNOW, FOR WHATEVER REASON AND SOME AREAS, LIKE LITTLE TEXAS, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT, IT'S KIND OF LIKE IT WAS, YOU KNOW, 30 OR 40 YEARS AGO. SO WE'RE THESE DEVELOPED AREAS, MAYBE, WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THEM FOR REAL. AND I'M MAKE A MOTION WE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL, SECOND, HAVE A PROPER MOTION, AND A [00:30:06] SECOND, THAT WE APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS PRESENTED AND SEND IT DOWN TO THE BOARD AS A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION. IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE ALL IN FAVOR OF SENDING IT AS A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION TO. AYE ANY OPPOSED, LIKE SIGN. IT IS UNANIMOUS OKAY. ALL RIGHT, NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO TO OUR SECOND HEARING, WHICH IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY CODE. MS. LEWIS, I'M GOING TO LET YOU TO TAKE UP THE HUNT CLUB ISSUE. IN EARLY 2021, Y'ALL RECEIVED AN APPLICATION FOR A SHOOTING PRESERVE FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. IT WAS RECOMMENDED DENIAL BY THIS BOARD AND IT WAS DENIED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. THE THERE THE ACTIVITY IS GOING ON NOW, HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT SAYS THAT HE IS A COMMERCIAL HUNT CLUB AND APPARENTLY THE DEPARTMENT OF WILDLIFE RESOURCES AGREES WITH THEM. SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY'S ORDINANCE IN THE A.1 DISTRICT SAYS YOU CAN HAVE A PRIVATE OR COMMERCIAL HUNT CLUB IN A ONE ZONING DISTRICT WITH NO CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. BUT THERE'S NO DEFINITION OF WHAT A PRIVATE OR COMMERCIAL HUNT CLUB IS. SO THERE'S NO WAY TO SAY. THAT HE IS OR ISN'T A COMMERCIAL HUNTING CLUB IF WE DON'T HAVE A DEFINITION. SO WHAT YOU HAVE IS POTENTIAL OR PROPOSED DEFINITIONS OF A PRIVATE HUNTING CLUB AND A COMMERCIAL HUNTING CLUB AND AN AMENDMENT TO THE ORDINANCE THAT SAYS A PRIVATE HUNTING CLUB IS PERMITTED IS A PERMITTED USE IN THE A.1 DISTRICT AND THE COMMERCIAL HUNTING CLUB IS PERMITTED ONLY WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. SO WHEN YOU CAN SAY WHAT THESE ARE PRIVATE OR COMMERCIAL HUNT CLUB IS, YOU CAN SAY, YES, YOU ARE. OR NO, YOU AREN'T. AND I HOPE THAT PEOPLE HAVE LOTS OF COMMENTS BECAUSE MR.[INAUDIBLE] HAS LOOKED AT THIS. AND GENTLEMEN IN OUR DEPARTMENT WHO'S AN AVID HUNTER HAS LOOKED AT THIS. BUT I'M NOT A HUNTER. SO WE CERTAINLY NEED COMMENTS FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE HUNTERS TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE DEFINITIONS ARE WHAT THEY SHOULD BE. MR., RIGHT? I'LL DO IT. I MEAN, MR. REILLY AND EVERYBODY THAT CONTRIBUTED DID A WONDERFUL JOB WITH THIS. I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT. AND ISLE OF WIGHT HAS IS VERY SIMPLE. A HUNT CLUB IS USES AND STRUCTURES WHICH SERVE AS SOCIAL ORGANIZATION, GATHERING SPOTS FOR PERSONS ENGAGED IN HUNTING AND FISHING, AND AN OUTDOOR SHOOTING RANGE IS THE USE OF LAND FOR ARCHERY AND THE DISCHARGING OF FIREARMS FOR THE PURPOSE OF TARGET PRACTICE, SKEET AND TRAP SHOOTING, MOCK WAR GAMES OR TEMPORARY COMPETITIONS SUCH AS TURKEY SHOOTS. EXCLUDED FROM THIS USE TYPE SHALL BE GENERAL HUNTING AND UNSTRUCTURED AND NON-RECURRING DISCHARGING OF FIREARMS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY WITH THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS PERMISSION. SO THERE'S IS MUCH SHORTER. WELL, IT THIS. THE MAIN DIFFERENCE IS A PRIVATE HUNTING CLUB DOESN'T ADVERTISE, AND THE PRIVATE HUNTING CLUB DOESN'T BRING IN WILDLIFE. LIKE THE PHEASANTS THAT ARE BROUGHT IN AND THE COMMERCIAL HUNTING CLUB ADVERTISES, PEOPLE COME FOR THE DAY THEY BRING IN THE WILDLIFE AND THEY CAN SELL GOODS AND SERVICES, FOOD, BEVERAGE, SUPPLIES, WHATEVER. OKAY. MR. REALLY JUST STRONG ENOUGH TO KEEP US OUT OF PROBLEMS THAT WE'VE HAD BEFORE? I THINK IT LOOKS PRETTY GOOD. AND I WISH WE'D HAD IN PLACE A YEAR AGO OR TWO YEARS AGO. I CERTAINLY DO. I THINK THIS CURES THE PROBLEM. HOWEVER, IF YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK NEEDS TO BE DONE TO MAKE IT MORE RESTRICTIVE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE LOCATION. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO THAT WITH THE CONDITION USE PERMIT BECAUSE I MEAN, I KNOW WE WE'RE SAYING PRIVATE AND COMMERCIAL. BUT AGAIN, THE LOCATION WITH THIS, THE DISTANCE TO THE SCHOOL AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, I THINK I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, WE CAN WORD IT TO WHERE. NOT DEFINING WHAT A COMMERCIAL IN A HUNTING FOR PROFIT IS, BUT LIKE IF SOMEBODY APPLIED WOULD DO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, IS THAT WHEN YOU COULD? THAT'S WHERE WHERE YOU COULD ASK WHEN IT COMES TO LOCATION? YEAH. CONDITIONAL. I MEAN, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, IF USED CORRECTLY, AS A POWERFUL TOOL. GOTCHA. YEAH, I REALLY THINK WE NEED SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BECAUSE SOMETHING THAT [00:35:04] STRONG AS WE CAN GET BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE ORIGINAL THING PROBLEM THEY REFER TO A YEAR AGO, THERE ARE OBVIOUS VIOLATIONS THERE. AND UH, WHAT? RICHMOND IS VERY LIBERAL ABOUT IGNORING WHAT'S GOING ON THERE, JUST TO PUT IT. PUT THE FACT DOWN. THAT RIGHT MR. REILLY. I CONCUR A HUNDRED PERCENT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE PROCEED? WE WILL HAVE A HEARING CORRECT, WE CAN HAVE COMMENTS WHEN. I READ OPEN HEARING. ALL RIGHT, THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ANYONE WHO HAS ANY COMMENT. HOW ABOUT, UM, THE DEFINITION OF PRIVATE HUNT CLUB VERSUS COMMERCIAL HUNT CLUB HERE IN THE COUNTY? ANYONE CAN COME FORWARD TO WISH. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS NEIL CUTRIGHT? I AM THE CURRENT PRESIDENT OF BLACK CREEK HUNT CLUB. UM. DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE HERE IN THE DEFINITIONS, BUT I GUESS, UM. MR. REILLY AND MR. RANDALL MR. EDWARDS, THE MEMBERS OF LOCAL HUNT CLUBS AND MY DEFINITION OF WHAT A PRIVATE OF IS IS WE ARE A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION. WE HAVE DUES. WE HAVE MEMBERS, WE HAVE FUNDRAISERS. WE GIVE SCHOLARSHIPS. BUT THE MONEY WE RAISED JUST BASICALLY GOES TO FACILITATE IMPROVEMENTS ON OUR PREMISES OR PAY LAND, RENT FOR LANDS THAT WE USE TO HUNT ON. UM, THERE IS DEFINITE WHEN I READ THIS, IT'S AMBIGUOUS TO ME THE DIFFERENCE. IT KIND OF SIGNED THE SAME. AND I GUESS IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, THE COMMERCIAL TYPE, I THINK YOU. IN MY IN MY OPINION, IT IS THE BUSINESS OF SOMEONE WHO IS. DOING IT, I GUESS, TO CREATE A TAX BASE AND A PROFIT THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE, YOU KNOW, THE TINIEST FOOL OF HUNT CLUB BY MY DEFINITION, LIKE BLACK CREEK, [INAUDIBLE] EVERY SIX OR EIGHT MILES, PROBABLY THROUGH HACKER CANYON, BUT THERE'S OVER A HUNDRED. YES, SIR. UM, THEY UM. BUT WE DO A LOT OF LIKE CIVIC OPERATIONS AND MR.. HANK BACK HERE CAN ACCOMMODATE WITH HERITAGE SO HIGH AND HERITAGE FUNDS AND A LOT OF NON PROFIT ORGANIZATION, A LOT OF FEEDING THE HUNGRY. UM. BUT AND AND I JUST GUESS I WANTED TO SPEAK AND MAYBE THAT TO DEFINE MORE OF WHAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT IS TYPICALLY KNOWN AS THE SOUTHAMPTON STYLE HUNT CLUB VERSUS YOUR COMMERCIAL? YOUR RENDITION IS EXACTLY RIGHT. COMMERCIAL IS GOING TO MAKE MONEY. THEY CAN ADVERTISE AND THEY CAN BRING IN ANIMALS TO HUNT. AND I THINK THAT'S THE MAIN DIFFERENCE AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND IT. SO AND THAT REQUIRES A CONDITION USE PERMIT. UM. I DON'T THINK YOU REALLY WANT TO GET INTO THE TERMINOLOGY NONPROFIT, BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING TO BECOME A NONPROFIT. WE ACTUALLY OWE WE OWE FIVE AND SEVEN C. AND DO YOU FILE THE ANNUAL RETURNS? THAT'S THE 501 THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT. BUT THERE'S THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO. RIGHT? YES, SIR. AND, ALL OF THE STUDENT FUNDRAISERS ARE A NECESSITY NOW. OH. I REALLY BOARD WITH MY OWN. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH OPENING THAT UP FOR PEOPLE TO LOOK AT THE FUNDRAISERS AND HOW THE MONEY WAS WAS USED. I THINK IT'S BETTER TO STAY AWAY FROM THAT LANGUAGE. BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I CERTAINLY DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU. I THINK I KNOW A LITTLE SOMETHING ABOUT A HOT CLUB. YES. THE DIFFERENCE IS ALL I WANT. IT IS WHAT TYPICALLY THE COUNTRY SHOULD RECOGNIZE AS, I'D SAY, 90 TO 95 PERCENT OF HUNT CLUBS VERSUS SOME OF YOUR ACTIVITIES. YOU KNOW, IT'S DEFINITELY A DIFFERENT DEFINITION. MR. CUTRIGHT I DON'T THINK THIS IS GOING TO HAVE ANY EFFECT AT ALL ON YOUR CLUB AS IT [00:40:05] STANDS NOW. NO, YOU'RE RIGHT. NO. I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT MORE OR LESS ON THE DEFINITION OF WHAT I THOUGHT, MAYBE EXPANDING UPON THE DEFINITIONS TO MAYBE MAKE IT A LITTLE CLEARER. WHAT I THINK WHEN MR. REILLY IS KIND OF KEEN ON WITH THE DEFINITION IS TAKING PLACE HUNTING, TAKING PLACE ON THE PROPERTY. OK. THAT'S THE DISTINCTION IN HIS DEFINITIONS. AND THERE'S KIND OF AN INFERENCE FOR COMMERCIAL THAT IS FOR PROFIT. OKAY, SO SO THERE'S AN UNDERLYING FOR PROFIT THEME AND JUST A WORD COMMERCIAL. AND HE DOESN'T WANT TO GET TOO SPECIFIC BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY ANYTHING IN THAT AREA IS GOING TO REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. AND IT'S GOING TO BE A PARENT ON ITS FACE THAT IT'S COMMERCIAL. SO THAT DEFINITION IS BROAD BECAUSE THE COUNTY CAN USE IT FOR ENFORCEMENT. SO, SO IT'S BROAD IN A IN A GOOD SENSE, NOT IN A NEGATIVE, LIKE A LOT OF TIMES IN GOVERNMENT. THERE'S NO ENFORCEMENT CAPABILITY. SO THIS BROAD DEFINITION IS TO THE LOCAL NONPROFIT HUNT CLUB BENEFIT TO PUT RESTRICTIONS ON THE COMMERCIAL TYPE OF. AND THERE'S SOME THERE'S SOME GOOD COMMERCIAL TYPE, UM, THAT ARE REGULATED. BUT I THINK THAT THIS WAS PUT IN PLACE TO REGULATE THE NOT SO GOOD COMMERCIAL CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WE'VE HAD THAT MAKES SENSE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AWARE OF THOSE OR NOT. OKAY. THANK YOU IS ALL AHEAD. MY QUESTION FOR ME. THANK YOU SO MUCH. KEEP DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING. APPRECIATE IT. HEY, WE GOT TO TAKE TAGS LEFT. ANYONE ELSE HAD TO COME FORWARD? IF NOT, I'M A CLOSED TO HEARING. ALL RIGHT. WELL, WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE COMMISSION? I MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION SO I CAN HAVE A PROPER MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION TO SEND IT FORWARD TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE VOTE? IF NOT, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED, LIKE SIGN. IT IS RECOMMENDED UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY. WE'LL MOVE DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, UNFINISHED BUSINESS. [IV. UNFINISHED BUSINESS] THE DISCUSSION, CONTINUE DISCUSSION ON THE UTILITY SCALE SOLAR AMENDMENTS. AND IF THERE'S ANYBODY HERE WHO DOESN'T WANT TO SIT THROUGH THE CONTINUED DISCUSSION ON UTILITY SCALE SOLAR, THEY'RE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO LEAVE, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE THIS TIME, YOU'RE WELCOME TO. NOBODY HAS TO SAY, YEAH, THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO. THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO LEAVE. BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO LEAVE, YOU'RE WELCOME TO. ALL RIGHT. MS. LEWIS, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR SENDING OUT THE WORKSHEET EARLY, SO WE COULD KIND OF GET A HEADS UP ON THIS AS WE WAIT FOR OUR. AND I HOPE THAT HOPE EVERYBODY'S HAD TIME TO TAKE THAT WORKSHEET. MAKE SOME NOTES, MS. LEWIS, I WANT YOU BRING US UP TO FOUR WHERE WE'RE AT AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THAT WORKSHEET. OKAY. I DIDN'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD BE HELPFUL TO YOU. THIS IS KIND OF THE WAY, I THINK TO HAVE A PLACE TO WRITE WHILE YOU'RE THINKING. USE IT IF YOU WANT. I'LL MAKE IT LOOK DIFFERENT IF IT'S NOT USEFUL OR NOT AT ALL. LAST MONTH, YOU SAID YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE FIRST THREE PAGES OF THE ORDINANCE, SO THAT'S WHAT THIS WORKSHEET DOES AT TURNS IT INTO LIKE NINE PAGES BECAUSE THERE'S SPACES TO SCRIBBLE IN THERE. BUT I ASK SOME QUESTIONS. YOU ALSO HAVE A SERIES OF MAPS. YOU HAVE A MAP. THAT SHOWS FARM FARMLAND OF STATEWIDE IMPORTANCE. THAT'S THE FIRST MAP, THE SECOND MAP IS PRIME FARMLAND. AND THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE. YES, THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE. THE THIRD MAP IS PRIME FARMLAND IF DRAINED, AND THE FOURTH MAP IS NOT PRIME FARMLAND. THE GREEN IS NOT PRIME FARMLAND. IF YOU LOOK AT THE TAN, THE UNDERLYING COLOR, THAT'S ALL THE PRIME FARMLAND. AND YOU HAVE A MAP THAT SHOWS WHERE ALL THE VOLUNTARY AGRICULTURE DISTRICTS ARE. AND THEN THE GIS COMPANY CAME MORE WAS ABLE TO TAKE THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE'S LIST OF [00:45:05] ALL THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN THE LANTUS PROGRAM. THAT'S THIS SET OF PAGES AND TURN THEM INTO A MAP, AND EVERYTHING THAT IS IN THE LANTUS PROGRAM IS IN GREEN. SHE SAYS THAT NOW THAT THERE'S NO INCOME REQUIREMENTS, THERE MAY BE SOME PARCELS OF PROPERTY THAT ARE IN THE LAND USE PROGRAM THAT ARE NOT ESPECIALLY INCOME PRODUCING, AND THERE MAY BE SOME PARCELS OF PROPERTY THAT ARE IN AGRICULTURE AND FORESTRY USE THAT ARE NOT IN THE LAND USE PROGRAM. BUT THESE ARE THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN LAND USE. SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A MEASURE OF LANDS TO EXCLUDE FROM POTENTIAL SOLAR. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO USE ANY OF THESE, BUT YOU HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION. WE THANK YOU FOR COMPILE. WE DIDN'T REQUEST, WE THANK YOU FOR COMPILING IT FOR US. SO IF YOU START WITH THE WORKSHEET WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT THE PURPOSE AND INTENT, THE PURPOSE AND INTENT, THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN TO ME SAYS THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE FACILITATING COMMERCIAL SOLAR INSTALLATION AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT THE PURPOSE AND INTENT TO SAY THAT SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY'S PURPOSE AND INTENT IS AGRICULTURE AND FORESTRY, AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS ORDINANCE IS TO MAKE A SPACE FOR SOME UTILITY SCALE SOLAR. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT THE FOCUS TO CHANGE. THEN YOU GO DOWN TO THE DISTRICT REGULATIONS. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO MEASURE? EXCUSE ME. YOU DON'T JUST HAVE A LITTLE DISCUSSION AS WE GO FORWARD. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PURPOSE AND INTENT, IF WE'RE GOING TO ENTER THIS IN THE ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, HOW HOW DO WE WANT TO WORD IT IS IT TO, IS IT DIRECT ENOUGH? I LIKE I ACTUALLY PERSONALLY LIKE YOUR LAST STATEMENT, THE PURPOSE, THE PURPOSE AND INTENT IS TO PROTECT THE ACTIVE, VIABLE FARMLAND. UM, WHILE PERMITTING IT HAS TO BE A SOLAR PROJECT IN A LIMITED AREA, BUT WE NEED TO PROTECT THE ACTIVE, VIABLE FARMLAND AND FOREST LAND AND FOREST LAND. AND THAT MAY BE THE PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THAT AGAIN. WE NEED TO WRITE THAT DOWN. IT'S UNDER QUESTION, RIGHT? IT'S THE LAST SENTENCE UNDER QUESTION, BUT WE NEED TO ADD, I THINK NEED TO ADD THAT YOU ADDED SOME STUFF I NEED TO ADD TO FOREST LAND, FORESTED LAND. I HAVE NO FARM AND FOREST LAND. THAT'S JUST THE LIMITED AND LIMITED RIGHT TO THE WAY YOU ORDERED IT WAS WAS GOOD. WELL, IT'S PRETTY MUCH BECAUSE SHE HAD IT WRITTEN. I JUST HAD TO FOREST. IT MIGHT AS WELL. YEAH, YEAH. IS IT? YEAH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? NO, THAT WAS MY OPINION. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I AGREE. THAT'S GREAT. I LIKE IT. OKAY. THAT'S THE POINT. OKAY. NOW WE PROCEED ON. OKAY. THE NEXT TALKS ABOUT HOW YOU'RE GOING TO MEASURE IT, HOW YOU'RE GOING TO LIMIT IT. DO YOU WANT TO SAY, UM, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO START MEASURING AT 20 MEGAWATTS? THAT KIND OF EXCLUDES THE LITTLE THREE TO FIVE ACRE ONES? DO YOU WANT TO HAVE AN OVERALL MAXIMUM? A HUNDRED AND FIFTY MEGAWATTS OF PROJECT? DO YOU WANT TO HAVE NOT MORE THAN SIX HUNDRED MEGAWATTS IN THE COUNTY? SOME COUNTIES SAY ONE OR TWO PERCENT OF THE UM OF THE COUNTY'S ACREAGE, SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY IS THREE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY FIVE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED AND EIGHT ACRES. ONE PERCENT OF THAT IS THREE THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED AND FIFTY FIVE ACRES, AND SOUTHAMPTON SOLAR IS ONE THOUSAND SEVENTEEN ACRES. SO IF YOU SAID ONE PERCENT, DO YOU LIMITED TO ONE PERCENT? THAT WOULD BE. TWO MORE SOUTHAMPTON SOLARS, MAYBE NOT ALL IN ONE BIG PIECE, BUT ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, TWO HUNDRED MEGAWATTS OR ANOTHER TWO THOUSAND ACRES OF SOLAR. IF YOU WANT TO DO IT THAT WAY. MR. RAILEY, ONE PERCENT IS PRETTY RESTRICTIVE, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD PASS CONSTITUTIONAL MUSTER. WHAT'S YOUR TAKE? I'M WILLING TO TRY. I'M WILLING TO TRY IT, TOO. AND ANOTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU IF YOU. [00:50:06] IT IF NOT, AND I'M TALKING, OKAY, I MEAN, IT'S JUST MY OPINION. IF WE'RE GONNA BE MORE RESTRICTIVE ON THE PRIME FARM LANDS. FARM LANDS. THIS IS HOW YOU DON'T PLAN CORRECT, BECAUSE YOU GET TO A POINT THAT IF YOU ALLOW, YOU ALLOW MORE CAPACITY THAN WHAT YOU HAVE. SUITABLE AREAS TO PRESENT, WE COULD BE CHALLENGED. WELL, WE'VE WE'VE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS, SO I THINK THE BOARD IS SO I THINK WE GO WITH THE ONE PERCENT AND I THINK THERE'S OTHER LOCALITIES THAT COULD GO INTO ONE PERCENT. SO I THINK THINK WOULD BE PERMISSIBLE OR WE ALREADY HAD HALF OF THAT RIGHT NOW WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT IS THAT THAT IS NOT QUITE WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE. WE'RE THERE ALMOST. OKAY, YOU GOT TWENTY EIGHT HUNDRED TWENTY EIGHT THIRTY EIGHT ACRES. TWO THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED AND THIRTY EIGHT ACRES LEFT. YEAH. DO WE HAVE A PERSON THAT WOULD BE DESIGNATED IN THE COUNTY TO LOOK AFTER SOLAR FACILITIES ? THAT'S GOING TO BE YOUR OTHER HAT? YES. WE HAVE A VERY, UM, LEAN STAFF IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, SO WE ALL WEAR LOTS OF HATS. I THINK WE SHOULD DO ONE PERCENT. I AGREE, I AGREE, I THINK THAT'S THE MOST RESTRICTIVE THAT WE CAN DO. THAT'S THE LEAST I'VE SEEN IS ONE I HAVEN'T SEEN. I AGREE. YOU GO UNDER THAT, YOU LEAVE YOURSELF OPEN. CORRECT. I THINK WE SHOULD GO THE ONE PERCENT. WE'RE ALREADY LIVING A HUNDRED ACRES. DOES EVERYBODY AGREE WITH THAT? YES. OKAY. SEEING. ONE PERCENT OKAY. NOW ON THE SECOND PAGE OF THE NOTES. DO YOU WANT IT TO CONTINUE TO REMAIN IN THE M1 DISTRICT WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT? OR DO YOU THINK THAT JUST THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS STRONG ENOUGH? YOU WANT TO SAY IN ANY ZONING DISTRICT WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT? CAN I ASK MR. RAILEY A QUESTION? IF WE. BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY RESTRICTING IT AT ONE PERCENT, IF WE DO THE M ONE AND NOT ANYWHERE COULD WE GET OURSELVES IN TROUBLE FROM A CONSTITUTIONAL PERSPECTIVE? AND YOUR OPINION? WOULD DO YOU RECOMMEND? BECAUSE WE STILL NEED THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. BUT SHOULD WE ALLOW A ONE OR M ONE OR JUST A ONE BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY RESTRICTED IT WITH ONE PERCENT? AND MR. RAILEY, LET ME ASK YOU BEFORE YOU ANSWER POLITELY INTERJECTING. THE SOUTHAMPTON SOLAR PROJECT IN THE NEWSOMS BOYKINS, WE DID REZONE THAT M ONE CORRECT. YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. IT WAS M2 THAT IT WAS M2 THEN. AT THAT POINT BEFORE YOU HAD THE CURRENT SOLAR ORDINANCE, THE ONLY ZONING DISTRICT THAT PERMITTED POWER GENERATION WAS THE M2 DISTRICT. SO MY QUESTION TO YOU, MY COMMENT. DO WE NEED TO FOLLOW SUIT TO KEEP IT THE SAME? I THINK SO, AND I THINK YOU NEED AS MANY TOOLS AS YOU CAN GET TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT YOU'RE AFTER. IT'S NOT, I MEAN, THE WHOLE IDEA IS INCONSISTENT WITH AGRICULTURAL LAND TO PRODUCE SOLAR, THAT'S NOT FARMING, THAT'S AN INDUSTRY, RIGHT? SO CONSEQUENTLY, IT OUGHT TO BE REZONED THAT WAY. NOW I'LL ADMIT, YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH A WHOLE LOT OR MAYBE EVERYTHING YOU WANT WITH CONDITIONAL USE. BUT I STILL WOULD LIKE YOU TO HAVE BOTH. AND I'M ASKING THE QUESTION, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I AGREE WITH YOU, I'M WITH YOU, THAT IF WE'RE RIGHT TO THE LINE, WE MAKE SURE WE DON'T INVITE UNNEEDED LITIGATION. UM? BECAUSE THE DRUMS ARE BEATING UP. I AGREE. I MEAN, I I THINK IT'S FAIRLY APPARENT. UM. BUT I, IF MR. RAILEY GIVES A GREEN LIGHT, I'M FINE WITH LEAVING IT LIKE THIS. I JUST WANTED TO HEAR HIM SAY IT. YOU'VE GOT THE GREEN LIGHT. OKAY. CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION? YES, SIR. GOING BACK UP TOP. UM, ARE WE GOING TO SAID OR ARE WE JUST GOING TO SAY ONE PERCENT, NO MATTER WHAT SIZE THEY ARE? OR WERE YOU GOING TO RESTRICT THE SIZE TO 20 MEGAWATTS OR WHAT? THAT WAS MY QUESTION, TOO. ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A BUNCH OF THREE, FIVE, 10 MEGAWATT FACILITIES OUT HERE? ARE WE GOING TO RESTRICT IT TO 20 AND BIGGER? IN MY OPINION, I THINK WE OUGHT TO DO THE BIGGER IF WE'RE GOING TO DO AND DO THE BIGGER ONES AND NOT THE THREE AND THE FIVE, MAYBE THE THREE IN THE FIVE, THREE AND FIVE. [00:55:03] WE HAD TO WAIT. THE ONE ON FLAG IRAN ROAD WAS FIVE. OKAY? THE THE BOYKINS ONE THAT GOT PULLED. HOW BIG WAS THAT ONE? THAT WAS FIVE MEGAWATTS AS WELL. ON ONE HAND, THE SMALLER ONES, THE THREE TO FIVE MEGAWATT ONES ARE, YOU KNOW, 30 TO 50 ACRES. THEY'RE LESS INTRUSIVE. YOU KNOW, THEY CAN FIT IN MORE PLACES AND ADD THEM BETTER. YOU CAN HAVE THEM. YOU CAN HIDE THEM BETTER. ON THE OTHER HAND, AS I THINK MR. TENNESSEE SAID AT A MEETING SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WHEN YOU DRIVE THROUGH NORTHEASTERN NORTH CAROLINA, EVERY TIME YOU GO AROUND THE CURVE, THERE'S ANOTHER ONE. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO DECIDE WHICH YOU'D RATHER HAVE. WELL CAN THE THREE AND THE FIVE MEGAWATTS FEED BACK INTO THE GRID, MR. TENNESSEE? THEY CAN. OKAY. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? THE GENTLEMAN THAT WAS HERE THAT SPOKE, HE SAID THAT THE ONE THAT WAS JUST OUTSIDE BOYKINS, IF THERE WAS A MISTAKE OF A FAULT FURTHER DOWN THE LINE THAT. SMALL FACILITY COULD SERVE BOYKINS. IS THAT ACCURATE? I DO BELIEVE SO. SO THOSE MIGHT BE USEFUL TO HAVE SOME OF THOSE SMALLER SIZE ONES NEAR THE INCORPORATED TOWNS OR THE MORE POPULATED AREAS LIKE [INAUDIBLE] WELL, FOR THAT. BUT FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, THOUGH, IT'S GOT TO BE A SUBSTATION FOR THAT PARTICULAR LOCALITY IN THAT AREA. PLUS, THAT'S WHY THEY THE AREAS THAT THEY'VE CHOSEN ARE CLOSE TO SUBSTATIONS BECAUSE IF THERE'S NOT A SUBSTATION, THEY CAN'T GET IT TO THE GRID. AND PLUS, UNTIL WE HAVE BATTERIES, THEY'LL DO AND DO NOTHING AT NIGHTTIME. CORRECT. CORRECT. IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THE BATTERIES. OKAY. CAN I ASK MR. RAILEY A QUESTION? SO DO YOU THINK WE'RE PUSHING OUR LUCK A LITTLE BIT AND RESTRICTING THE SIZE OR NO? YOU THINK GOING TO 20 WOULD BE OVERLY RESTRICTIVE? THAT KIND OF ANSWERS MY QUESTION WITH YOUR SILENCE. IT'S NOT A ABSOLUTE YES OR NO QUESTION. WE'RE GETTING CLOSE THOUGH. YEAH, YOU'RE GETTING CLOSE. IF WE THINK WE'RE OKAY WITH THE THREE AND THE FIVES THEN I WOULD SAY JUST RESTRICT THE THE LAWS FROM ONE THAT I HEAR, SAYS ONE FIFTH, I WOULDN'T SAY THEY KEEP IT AT A HUNDRED BECAUSE THAT'S THE LARGEST ONE WE GOT CURRENTLY. I WOULDN'T WANT TO PUT ANYTHING BIGGER THAN THAT. SO WHAT ELSE LEFT OUT OF THAT ONE PERCENT, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD EITHER PUT ONE HUNDRED OR LESS UNTIL THEY USE THAT ONE PERCENT UP. ON THE OTHER HAND, THE BIGGER THEY GO, THE LEFT, AT LEAST THEY GO TO BOTHER THE REST OF THE COUNTY,[INAUDIBLE] UP PART OF IT. RIGHT. THERE'S SO MANY LITTLE PIECES ALL AROUND. THEN MY CONCERN IS I GO BACK BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T ENFORCE THAT WITH I LIKE SO PERSONALLY, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT MILE FROM THE CORPORATE LIMITS. I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT SMALL SITE BECAUSE AT SOME POINT IT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED AROUND IT AT SOME POINT. AS THE PRESSURE KEEPS COMING OUR WAY. THE OTHER THING IS, YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THAT, AND THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO BUILD THERE, SO THEY'LL BE COMING OUT IN FARMLAND AND FOREST LANDFILL. OKAY. YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THAT CONCEPT. IF YOU LET IT YOU YOU GET TOO CLOSE TO THE TOWNSHIPS WHERE THE NATURAL THINGS TO BUILD OUT FROM THE TOWNSHIPS. BUT IF YOU HAVE THESE THINGS THERE, THEY CAN'T. SO WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO? THEY COULD GO OUT IN THE FARMLAND, OUT IN THE FOREST. THE WAY TO KEEP THEM THERE IS, YOU'RE RIGHT TO KEEP THESE, KEEP THAT AREA PRESERVED SO THEY CAN EXPAND. AND WE ALSO USED THAT. AS A SO-CALLED ARGUMENTATIVE POINT. BUT ONE OF THE OTHER PROJECTS IN THE PORTLAND AREA. I'M JUST TRYING TO I'M JUST TRYING TO FOLLOW SUIT NOT TO DO TOO MUCH CHANGING. AND ALSO IN THE INCORPORATED TOWNS, THERE'S OFTEN MUNICIPAL WATER AND SEWER UM AVAILABLE, SO THERE ARE SERVICES THAT WOULDN'T BE USED IF IT WAS DEVELOPED WITH A SOLAR INSTALLATION. BUT I AGREE WITH MR. TENNESSEE, THE NEWSOMS BOARD PROJECTS IS A 100 MEGAWATTS. AND IF YOU ALL HADN'T SEEN IT, YOU NEED YOU NEED A RIDE ON. TAKE A LOOK AT IT. OH, MOST MOSTLY YOU SEE FROM THE HIGHWAY, THERE'S A COUPLE PODS BACK OFF THE ROAD, BUT IT A LOT OF LAND. IT'S A LOT. IT'S A LOT IN THAT GENERAL AREA. SO I DON'T EVEN WANT TO SEE A HUNDRED AND FIFTY MEGAWATT PROJECT IN A CERTAIN LOCALITY [01:00:07] THAT WOULD REALLY BE OVERWHELMING. I THINK THAT'S MY OPINION. SO YOU WANT TO KEEP A MAXIMUM OF A HUNDRED MEGAWATTS PER PROJECT? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. AND DO WE NEED TO PUT ARIEL IN PARENTHESES TO LET THE READER KNOW THAT? TWO PROJECTS OF. MAXIMUM SIDE SIDE BY SIDE IS NOT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. DO YOU WANT TO PUT A DISTANCE BETWEEN THEM? YES. YES. I MEAN, HOW WOULD YOU I MEAN, YOU DO HE'S NOT BEING STRICTLY REGULATED. WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT TROUBLES ME ABOUT THAT, YEAH. IF YOU SAY IT, ONCE YOU HAVE ONE, YOU CAN'T BUILD ANOTHER ONE FOR 10 MILES. THEN YOU WERE TELLING ME SORRY ON YOUR PHONE, BUT I CAN'T DO IT ON MY OWN. THAT IS RESTRICTED. WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING TO THE WHOLE COUNTY. WELL, WITH THIS ORDINANCE, THAT'S NOT TREATING PEOPLE SAYING, YOU KNOW, THE BEST, THE BEST ONE THAT I'VE SEEN IS TO GET A CHANCE TO RIGHT TO EMPLOY A DRY BRED ROAD. IT'S THE ELLIOT SAUER SOLAR FARM AND THAT'S GOING TO CUT OVER AND A FEW MORE YEARS. YOU WON'T EVEN NEVER KNOW THAT SOLAR FARMS OVER THERE. THAT'S VERY NICELY DONE. THAT'S A HUNDRED MEGAWATTS AS WELL. BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE NICEST ONES THAT I'VE SEEN. IF YOU GET A CHANCE, SHOT RIGHT UP THERE AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT ONE. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE PANELS NOW. BUT WHEN THEY WENT AND PUT IT, THEY LEFT ENOUGH GROWTH DOWN TO ALMOST COVER IT UP. NOW YOU CAN HARDLY SEE IN A COUPLE OF YEARS, YOU WON'T EVEN NOTICE THAT. SO IT'S NATURAL. IT'S A NATURAL SCREEN. YEAH, YEAH. THEY FOLLOW OFF 10 OR 15 FOOT BUFFER OF NATURAL TREES AND ALL OUR OTHER THINGS. THAT'S ONE OF THE BEST LOOKING ONES I'VE SEEN. SO DO YOU WANT TO SAY THAT THEY NEED TO BE SO FAR APART? OR NOT? THE. WELL, I'LL TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT. I WOULDN'T DO IT THAT WAY. I DON'T WANT TO BE CHALLENGED. DO YOU WANT TO HAVE THE MINIMUM 20 MEGAWATTS OR DO YOU WANT TO PERMIT THE THREE AND FIVE MEGAWATT ONES? HOW MANY ACRES APPROXIMATELY WOULD BE A 20 MEGAWATT FACILITY? WELL, FIVE MEGAWATTS IS ABOUT 40 ACRES, SO I THINK THEY OUGHT WOULD BE. THAT'S POLICY, BUT I THINK THEY'LL BE PERMITTED TO THINK SO. AND THAT MAKES THE ORDINANCE OVERALL CONSISTENT. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 50 ACRES. WE BELIEVE IN THE PROCESS, BOTH TO BELIEVE INTO IT. I'M JUST MAKING THIS ARGUMENT ACROSS THE BOARD. SO WE'RE BASICALLY SAYING WE'RE ENTERTAINING FIVE TO A HUNDRED IS THE LIMITS THAT WE'RE SAYING RIGHT NOW. RIGHT? I THINK THAT'S A GOOD PLACE TO BE. OKAY. OK. DO YOU WANT TO DO A DISTANCE FROM THE INC PLACES? I THINK THAT MILE BUFFER WE MORE. YEAH, I THINK OTHER OTHER LOCALITIES HAVE THAT. I THINK THAT'S SAFE. GOOD. UM. DO YOU WANT TO USE WHEN YOU GO TO THE BEACH THAT'S LABELED 15 DASH THREE? IT'S A THIRD PAGE OF YOUR WORKSHEET. IT TALKS ABOUT THE PROJECT SHALL NOT BE LOCATED ON PROPERTY DESIGNATED AS FARMLAND A STATEWIDE IMPORTANCE. DO YOU WANT TO USE ANY OF THOSE MAPS? DO YOU WANT TO USE ANY OF THOSE THINGS? SAY THAT? IT. YEAH, I DON'T. I THINK THE DONE THE ONE PERCENT KIND OF HANDLED THAT, I MEAN. OKAY. OKAY. AND IT DID. YOU KNOW, I DON'T MEAN TO GET SO TECHNICAL, BUT. AND I THINK WAS MENTIONED LAST MONTH AT THE MEETING THAT, UM. IT DID, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT WE GOT THE STATE. I'LL BY THE LAND TYPE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT. UM, IT WAS MENTIONED ABOUT HAVING A VARIANCE OR A PERCENTAGE, BUT I WAS, YOU KNOW, THEN [01:05:01] MY MY. MY POSITION IS ZERO TOLERANCE. ON THAT TRACK, YOU GOT STILL USING A FEEL. YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE SOME PARAMETER TO DESIGNATE TO. IT WOULD BE A. NO. CORRECT. BUT THAT'S JUST MATH, THAT'S MY FEELINGS. IF THIS PRIME HIT THAT PRIME LAND IS IN THAT TRAP, WELL, IT'S A NO GO. THAT'S MY THOUGHT. I WELCOME Y'ALL COMMENTS. I MEAN, I THINK THE ONE PERCENT. IS THAT BECAUSE WE WERE KIND OF SOLD LAST TIME, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT MAP, YOU KNOW? THE PROM, WE WERE THINKING THAT IT WOULD BE A HUGE ACREAGE, AND IT WASN'T, IT WAS KIND OF LIKE SMOKE AND MIRRORS. I THINK WE'RE WE'RE BEING VERY SPECIFIC. AT ONE PERCENT, WE KNOW THAT THERE IS A SUM CERTAIN THAT'S LEFT. AND DIDN'T TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THE ONE PERCENT WE'RE ALREADY A THIRD INTO THAT. YEAH. SO THESE TWO THIRDS OF THAT ONE PERCENT LEFT SO. I THINK, YOU KNOW, LIKE JACK SAID, WE'VE BEEN TOO. I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S OUR MOST OVERALL. I CHOOSE MY WORDS VERY CAREFULLY ON THE RECORD HERE. IS THAT'S OUR MOST POLITICALLY AGGRESSIVE MANEUVER. WE DECIDED IT. SO WE DON'T NEED TO BEAT THE DEAD HORSE. IT'S VERY IT MAKES SENSE, IT'S VERY MEASURABLE. THERE'S THIS MANY ACRES IN THE COUNTY AND ONE PERCENT OF IT CAN BE USED FOR SOLAR INSTALLATION. SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU, YOU WOULD USE ONE PERCENT OF ANY OF THE FARM. IS THAT CORRECT? THE COUNTY, AS A TOTAL, THE COUNTY HAS A TOTAL ONLY ONE PERCENT. MS. LEWIS GAVE A NUMBER. WE PROBABLY USED A THIRD OF THAT WITH THE PROJECT. 386,000 EIGHTY SIX THOUSAND, YEAH. SO BUT IT COULD CERTAIN LEFT, BUT IT COULD BE ON PRIME FARMLAND. THAT CORRECT. IT COULD BE ON FIRE. THAT WOULD BE IT COULD BE BECAUSE WE'RE DOING THE ONE PERCENT, WHICH IS THE MOST. BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, IT'S LESS LIKELY TO BE ON FARMLAND. THAT'S LESS LIKELY TO BE SOLD IN FARMLAND THAT'S NOT PRODUCTIVE. CORRECT. IT'S BUYER CAVEAT EMPTOR, I MEAN, BUYER, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER HE WANTS TO DO AND WHEREVER YOU CAN GET IT. BETWEEN THE ONE PERCENT AND A MILE FROM THE INCORPORATED PLACES, YOU HAVE KIND OF PUSHED IT TO CERTAIN AREAS. OKAY. WHEN YOU GO TO A PAGE THAT'S NUMBERED 15-4 IT TALKS ABOUT, UM, NUMBER TWO, THESE NEW SUBSTATIONS OR CONNECTOR STATION SHALL BE SET BACK AT LEAST FIVE HUNDRED FEET AND INVERTERS AND TRANSFORMERS AT LEAST TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY FEET FROM EXISTING DWELLINGS, CHURCHES, SCHOOLS AND PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY. DO YOU WANT THAT? THAT'S NOT FOR THE PANELS THEMSELVES, THAT IS THE THE WORKINGS OF IT, THE MECHANICS OF IT, DO YOU WANT THEM TO HAVE THOSE SETBACKS? TODAY'S ORDINANCE DOESN'T HAVE THOSE SETBACKS, BUT THIS CAROLINE COUNTIES DID HAVE THOSE SETBACKS. I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S BENEFICIAL, RIGHT? YEAH. THERE'S NOTHING DETRIMENTAL TO THAT. I THINK IT'S BENEFICIAL. OKAY. I WOULD SAY YES. THE. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE COULD PUT IN HERE TO GOVERN? I GUESS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT AESTHETICS AND THE STRUCTURES THAT THEY'RE PUTTING UP. IF THEY WERE ALL FLUORESCENT ORANGE, WOULD IT MAKE IT LOOK LESS APPEALING? SO IF IT IF THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS YES, THEN SHOULD WE NOT CONSIDER PUTTING SOMETHING THAT WOULD DICTATE, YOU KNOW, A COLOR? MR. TENNESSEE WOULD THAT EVER IN THE WORLD EVER HAPPEN? NO, NOT THAT I KNOW OF. I'VE NEVER SEEN IT ON THE COURT A LITTLE BIT IN THE DRIVE AND I STILL DO WHAT YOU SEE OUT THERE. I SAW EVERYONE I'VE SEEN, I, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT DON'T MEAN THAT THEY DON'T EXIST. I MEAN, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE CAN ASK FOR. I GUESS YOU COULD ASK FOR COLORS IN YOUR CONDITIONAL USE. I MEAN, I DON'T LIKE A CASE BY CASE. THE INVERTER BOXES ARE KIND OF A BEIGE COLOR. THEY LOOK LIKE A. THEY ARE TODAY. [01:10:04] THEY MIGHT BE YOU MIGHT SEE THEM GREEN, LIKE AN ARMY GREEN OR SOME LIKE THAT SOMETIMES, BUT. BUT WHEN YOU I THINK IT DOESN'T GO, IT'S YEAH, THIS YEAH, YOU GET TO LANDSCAPING AND BUFFERING. SO PERHAPS WHEN YOU GET TO THOSE LAST PAGES THAT TALK ABOUT LANDSCAPING AND BUFFERING AND LEAVING THE EXISTING VEGETATION LIKE MR. TENNESSEE WAS SPEAKING ABOUT, THAT MAY HELP A LOT. HELP ALLEVIATE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT CAN BE SEEN OFF SITE. I NOTICED I NOTICED SET BACKS PRETTY STANDARD FOR WHAT IS ALLOWED AND A IN ONE DISTRICT, BUT, YOU KNOW, IN THE CASE. IN THE CASES WHERE THE HOMEOWNER. YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T OWN THE PROPERTY. AND HE OR SHE IS AFFECTED, UM AND AND UM, WHAT THE. SO LEGISLATION BEING SO CLOSE TO THEIR PROMPT IS ANY. YOU KNOW, THE HOMEOWNER, THE BILLS NEXT TO THE PROJECT. HE HE PRETTY MUCH GOVERNS WHAT HE'S WHAT HE'S DOING, BUT. I DO HAVE THE GREATEST RESPECT FOR THE ONES THAT HAVE COME OUT AND BUILT THEIR DREAM HOME AND MAYBE DIDN'T BUY ENOUGH FRONTAGE OR BESIDE THE LOT OR WHATEVER, AND THEN THAT WAS A THAT WAS A MAJOR ISSUE IN THE NEWSOMS BOYKINS AREA ABOUT NOT BEING SO INTRUSIVE TO THEIR PRIVATE LIVES. NOW I KNOW, I KNOW IT'S A SETBACK IN THIS A PLACE FOR THE SHRUBBERY AND THE FLOWERS OR WHATEVER THEY PLANT AND THEN THE FENCE. YOU KNOW, BUT UM, THAT SEEMS TO BE A THAT'S THAT WAS A BIG ISSUE. AND I KNOW WHEN I WENT TO THE [INAUDIBLE] UM, I DON'T PUT THAT WORD. IT SAVES THE PRESENTATION THAT THERE GAVE THE LOCALS THERE. AND WHEN I CAME OUT, THAT SEEMED TO BE A BIG, A BIG ISSUE WITH THE HOMEOWNERS THAT WERE NOT PARTICIPATING, WHETHER THEY WERE, THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE VISUAL AND THAT TYPE OF THING. ANYTHING WE COULD DO THIS IS THE MR. TENNESSEE, YOU KNOW? THAT IS SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT THE NATURAL VEGETATION AND AND I MADE THE REMARK BEFORE I KNOW GOING TO ONE OF THE FARMS I ATTEND AT NEWSOME. UM WHEN I COME BACK TO THE INTERSECTION THEY SEE THE SHRUB AND I MEAN SHRUBS AND DWARF TREES AND LANDSCAPING, YOU KNOW THAT THAT LITTLE CORNER. BUT IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE GOING IN TO A GOLF COURSE OR SUBDIVISION. IT DOESN'T REALLY MATCH, YOU KNOW, THE ESTHETICS OF THE RURAL SOUTHAMPTON. WELL, I WISH IF THEY WERE BUILT, I WISH THEY COULD ALL BE KIND OF IN THE BACK 40 AND NOT ALONG THE HIGHWAY. ALL RIGHT. ESPECIALLY SOMEBODY WHOSE HOUSE I JUST HAD. I JUST HAVE A CINEMA BECAUSE I WOULDN'T WANT THEM AROUND MY HOUSE. WELL, THEN MAYBE WHEN WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT BUFFERS, YOU WANT TO HAVE AT LEAST A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER ALONG A PROPERTY LINE THAT ABUTS A SCHOOL CHURCH OR A RESIDENCE. AND THIS ORDINANCE ENCOURAGES LEAVING THE EXISTING VEGETATION AND SUPPLEMENTING IT IF IT'S NOT. OPAQUE ENOUGH. BUT, YOU KNOW, LEAVING THE EXISTING IF YOU LEAVE A 50 OR A HUNDRED FOOT NATURAL BUFFER. THAT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, A WORLD OF SETBACKS RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. LET'S TALK ABOUT SETBACKS BECAUSE THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT I TALKED ABOUT. WE GOT TO STAY ON FOCUS. SO WHEN WE GET TO THAT, WE COULD TALK ABOUT A HUNDRED FOOT. RIGHT. SO ANYTHING ELSE FROM SETBACKS? THAT'S EVERYTHING MS. LEWIS? YEAH, SEE, AND THAT'S FOR THE EQUIPMENT, NOT FOR THE PANELS THEMSELVES? CORRECT. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE SETBACKS FOR THE PANELS, THAT'S ON PAGE 15-6 AND THAT TALKS ABOUT ASKS WHAT YOU WANT FOR SETBACKS. AND WHAT CAN IMPACT THE BUFFER, THE SETBACKS IN THE M1 DISTRICT ARE. ONLY 50 FEET FROM SIDE PROPERTY LINES, BUT ONLY IF IT ABUTS A RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT. AND THERE AREN'T RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS THAT ARE RESIDENCES, BUT THEY'RE ON AGRICULTURALLY ZONED LAND. [01:15:01] SO PERHAPS YOU WANT TO SAY THAT YOU'RE SETBACKS ARE A HUNDRED A HUNDRED FEET FROM AN EXISTING RESIDENTS CHURCH OR SCHOOL? YEAH, TAKE AWAY THE DISTRICT AND JUST FOR RESIDENTS, CHURCHES GO OUT. SOLVE IT RIGHT THERE. LET'S DO THAT. OK. AND YOU WANT TO ENCOURAGE. THE UM THAT THEY LEAVE THE EXISTING VEGETATION AS MUCH AS THEY CAN. THAT'S WHAT THIS ORDINANCE SAYS, IT ALSO SAYS THAT THEY HAVE TO DO ANY PLANTING THEY HAVE TO DO, THEY HAVE TO DO IT. AND WHILE THEY'RE STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN THE FIRST GROWING SEASON WHILE THEY'RE STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION, NOT AT THE END, SO THAT IT HAS A, YOU KNOW, A NINE MONTHS OR A YEAR TO GROW BEFORE THEY'RE DONE. DO YOU WANT TO LEAVE THAT? DO YOU WANT THAT? THAT'S FINE. WE ALSO SAY THAT THEY WILL BE FREE OF FIRE ANTS. WELL, IT SAYS IT TALKS ABOUT CERTIFIED NURSERY STUFF. I WOULD SAY, ADD THAT CERTIFIED NURSERY STUFF. RIGHT. AND IT WOULD THAT SOLVE THE PROBLEM MR. TURNER? IT SHOULD. OKAY. IT SHOULD. SEE, WE NEEDED YOU A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. AND THIS TALKS ABOUT THE UM, THEM HAVING TO PUT UP A BOND FOR THE LANDSCAPING. FIFTY PERCENT OF THE COST OF INSTALLATION AND THEN IT GOES DOWN TO 30 PERCENT AND THEN IT GOES DOWN. THOSE GOES AWAY AFTER THREE YEARS OR SOMETHING DOWN TO 15 PERCENT. THAT SEEMS TO ME TO BE A LOT OF PAPERWORK. AND IF WE'RE DOING THE NATURAL BUFFERS LIKE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT, I MEAN, HOW MUCH OF A LANDSCAPING PLAN ARE WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING THE THING WE'RE TRYING TO LEAVE THE NATURAL VEGETATION AROUND THE PERIMETER. BUT I GUESS IF IT'S FARMLAND, THEN WE'VE GOT TO PUT SOMETHING, OBVIOUSLY TO GIVE IT, THAT PRIVACY. AND WITH THE SOUTHAMPTON SOLAR, THEY HAD TO PUT UP A FIFTY THOUSAND LANDSCAPING BOND. THAT'S TO BE IN PLACE FOR THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT. AND THAT'S TO TAKE CARE OF DEAD VEGETATION, TALL GRASS. IT SAYS IF THE NEIGHBORS COMPLAIN ABOUT GLARE FROM THEIR EQUIPMENT AND THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, THEN THE COUNTY WILL USE PART OF THAT FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS. THERE'S NO DETRIMENT TO THAT. LIKE, WE JUST KEEP A FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLAR BOND. DO I KEEP THAT OKAY? THAT CAN'T HURT US IN ANY WAY. YEAH. SEE, THAT'S YOUR FIRST THREE PAGES, I THOUGHT. THE WORKSHEET WAS GREAT, DON'T IT? I GOT ONE OF THEM ON, I WANT TO BRING UP AND AND I DON'T REMEMBER, JUST STUNNED WITH THE SOUTHAMPTON SOLAR PROJECT, BUT NOT BUT WAS THERE A SCHEMATICS I MIGHT CALL A SCHEMATICS MAP? WAS THAT? WAS THAT, UM, GIVEN TO THE COUNTY WITH ALL THE UNDERGROUND? BUT OF ALL THE CABLE AND DO YOU DO YOU ARE YOU AWARE ANY KIND OF AN, NOT REALLY INVENTORY BUT WHERE IT'S LOCATED AT. I THINK THERE WAS GENERAL LIKE THE. COLLECTOR LINES OR WHATEVER, BUT I DON'T THINK ALL THE UNDERGROUND THE SITE PLAN SHOWED WHERE ALL THE PANELS WERE GOING TO BE WHEN IT GOT TO BE TO THE SITE PLAN STAGE. BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS INCLUDED EVERY BURIED WIRE. BUT THE REASON I MS. BECAUSE IN THE DECOMMISSIONING PLAN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, EVERYTHING HAD TO BE REMOVED. BUT 30 YEARS FROM NOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE COMING AND GOING OR GONE, AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO KNOW WHERE THOSE LIKES ARE LOCATED THAT. IS THAT ASKING TOO MUCH YOU THINK ?CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE CONSTRUCTION PLANTS AND SEE EXACTLY HOW MUCH OF THAT WAS INCLUDED, BUT THAT IS A GOOD POINT. THE THING ABOUT IT IS WITH WITH THAT PROJECT, WITH THOSE PARTS, YOU KNOW, THEY WENT ACROSS TRACTS OF LAND. THOSE ARE ALL SHOWN. THEY ALL SHOWED UP RIGHT. WHEN THEY WERE RIGHT, THEY WERE RIGHT AWAY. PURCHASE AN EASEMENT FOR EASEMENTS AND ALL THOSE ARE SHOWN. BUT IN THE MIDDLE OF WHERE THE PANELS ARE, I DON'T KNOW THAT EVERY WIRE IS SHOWN, BUT THE UM, THE ORDINANCES THAT ONLY REQUIRE THAT YOU REMOVE DOWN TO THREE FEET BELOW GROUND AFTER 30 YEARS, IF IT MIGHT BE DEEPER THAN THREE FEET, YOU KNOW, AS SO, YOU PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO SAY ONLY THE TOP THREE FEET HAVE TO BE OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, WELL, I THINK WE'VE PRETTY MUCH GOT, UM, [01:20:11] GOT THAT PULL UP. AND I THINK THIS IS GOOD, BUT JUST MAKE SOME DETERMINED ANSWERS AND MAYBE YOU CAN. WELL, I KNOW I HATE TO ASK, BUT CAN YOU REPRINT THE ONES THAT ARE NOT HERE TONIGHT? WE CAN ALL VIEW IT BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING, BUT THEN WE'LL TAKE ON WHAT THE NEXT THREE PAGES AND PAGES ARE. HEY, CAN YOU? I HAVE A WORKSHEET ON [INAUDIBLE] THE WORKSHEETS GREAT THAT GIVES THE OF WHAT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, IT'S HOW WE'RE PROCEEDING. I MEAN, WE'RE GOING THIS WAY WE'RE GOING TO KNOCK IT ON. HEY, WE'VE HAD SO MANY TIMES WE'VE TALKED, BUT IT KEEPS US FROM CHASING RABBITS. WELL, WE'RE GETTING THAT. WE'RE TRYING TO BE, UH, PRECISE AND AND AND MORE PRODUCTIVE THAN JUST BEFORE ABOUT MY. I WOULD PROBABLY BE ABLE TO SEND IT TO THE BOARD. RIGHT? WELL, YOU'LL DO THAT. YOU'LL DO PAGES IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY. THEN IN MARCH YOU'LL LOOK AT THE WHOLE THING. WELL IN JANUARY, YOU'LL LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, AS YOU GO ALONG. BUT IN MARCH, HE SHOULD HAVE IT ALL TOGETHER AND YOU COULD HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, PUBLIC HEARING IN APRIL, IN MARCH OR APRIL. THAT WILL BE OUR GOALS. THAT'LL BE OUR GOAL. GIVE US THREE MONTHS, THREE MONTHS THERE. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE ON THE SOLAR TONIGHT? WE ACCOMPLISHED WHAT WE CAME TO DO TONIGHT AND WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER WORKSHEET, AND I ENCOURAGE EACH ONE OF YOU TO TAKE THAT WORKSHEET AND MAKE YOUR NOTES AND WE'LL COME BACK FOR DISCUSSION IN JANUARY. OKAY, ITEM NUMBER FIVE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND PROCEED DOWN OUR AGENDA IN A NEW BUSINESS. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER SIX IS PUBLIC COMMENT, PERIOD AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN A PUBLIC COMMENT [VI. PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD] PERIOD. ANYBODY LIKE TO COME FORWARD. HAVE ANYTHING ON THEIR MIND. MR. UPDIKE. DID YOU HEAR THE POINT ABOUT THAT IT'S OVERLY? I MEAN, THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST AGGRESSIVE, OVERLY RESTRICTIVE. BUT DID YOU HEAR THAT PART? I HEARD THAT POINT, BUT I SAY, YOU'RE NOT NOT [INAUDIBLE] WELL, PLEASE TELL ME WHAT WHAT WE CAN DO MR. UPDIKE? PLEASE, PLEASE BE VERY SPECIFIC. I WANT TO HEAR VERY SPECIFIC THINGS FROM YOU. ALL RIGHT. YOU CAN NOT DONATE JUST WILL SAY DONATE ONE PERCENT ABOUT GOVERNMENT. THEY'RE NOT GOING BACK AND USE THE BACKWOODS. THEY'RE GOING TO USE THE BEST LAND. THEY'LL. AND THAT'S GOING TO BE THE BEST WAY. ALL RIGHT. BEING SPECIFIC, YOU WANT A VERY SPECIFIC. I SAY. JOE, IF YOU WANT TO GO TO SOLAR, DRAW A MAP. THERE'S A LADY. THESE ARE THE AREAS THAT WE WILL CONSIDER. HAVE SOLD AND. THE LEVITE CULTURE LAST. MR. DOESN'T. THE PEOPLE'S LIVELIHOODS. THAT IS DEPENDENT ON OIL PRODUCTION. BUT IN THE PACIFIC. SO X, Y AND Z OR Y'ALL CAN HELP. SO YOU DON'T WANT TO GO THIS FAR, BUT NOT MUCH TO. NO WORD REFERRING TO THE NEWSOMS. SO. HAVE Y'ALL BEEN THERE TO LOOK? THAT'S. SO ARE YOU THERE? AND IS. THE. THE. THE BAR I. [01:25:01] HAS DESTROYED. MANY, MANY ACRES OF LAND, LIVESTOCK AND IS NOT COVERED. THEY AS. OH, THE A LIABILITY THAT THEY BRING TO THE COUNTY. WHY I LOVE IT, TOO, BUT I WOULDN'T DO IS YOU GOT SHEETS. YOU SAID IT GOT COLORED BOARD. WELL, THEY CAN BE PROVIDED FOR THE FARMERS LANDOWNERS. BUT THEY WANT TO PRESERVE THEIR LAND. THAT'S TO ME. YOU SAY. ONE PERCENT. YOU OPEN THE DOOR. WHO ARE THEY GOING TO STOP? YOU GET SOMEBODY IN HERE WITH A LOT OF LAWYERS AND THINGS TO SEE. I WANT IT OUT. HAVE YOU GOT NO STOPPING? THEN I CAN'T SLEEP. WHO? RENDERED. THE RANDALL. THAT FARMLAND TO THEM AT NO. ALL. BUT IS IT A BIG, BIG COST TO FARMERS? THE PEOPLE THAT WORK IN THIS LAND. THE FAMILIES THAT WOULD BE PUT OUT OF BUSINESS. MR. UPDIKE, I'M AN INTERRUPT FOR A SECOND. OK. I WAS AT A MEETING THIS PAST WEEK IN WILLIAMSBURG AND ONE OF THE BREAKOUT SITES WAS SOLAR. IT SEEMS LIKE THE CAP, WHICH I THINK WOULD, WOULD YOU CALL IT A ONE PERCENT A CAP THAT SEEM TO BE VERY PREVALENT ACROSS THE STATE OF VIRGINIA. THIS WAS THE STATEWIDE MEETING THAT WAS THERE. WITH THAT, IS THAT BRANDON MR., RIGHT? I MEAN, IF YOU PUT A CAP, YOU DON'T GO BEYOND IT UNLESS THAT OTHER ACTION IS TAKEN OVER, WHAT THEY DO IN OTHER PARTS WOULDN'T BIND US. WHAT WOULD BIND US IS A CAP THAT YOU PUT ON. CORRECT. BUT IF WE PUT A CAP ON IT, YOU DON'T GO BEYOND THAT. THAT'S RIGHT, CORRECT? THAT'S THE DEFINITION OF CAP. OKAY. SO SO JUST LIKE SO THE CAP DOES PROTECT US. OKAY. SO IT'S MUCH LESS THAN ONE PERCENT, MUCH LESS SO BECAUSE WHAT WAS THE TOTAL ACREAGE? ONE THOUSAND SEVENTY EIGHT, THIRTY EIGHT HUNDRED ONE THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED ACRES, ROUGHLY THIRTY EIGHT HUNDRED. SO WE HAVE ONE NOW TWELVE HUNDRED TWELVE. SO THE CAP THAT THAT'S BEING PUT STATEWIDE. SO I THINK THAT THAT WILL LIMIT IT TO WHAT THAT'S LIKE. NOW THIS IS THIS IS NO EXCUSE, BUT THIS IS INDIVIDUAL COUNTIES. THIS IS INDIVIDUAL COUNTIES ARE PUTTING A CAP ON IT WHAT THEY WILL, WHAT THEY WILL RECEIVE. OK. [INAUDIBLE] AND THAT WE DON'T KNOW YET. THAT WE DON'T KNOW YET. BUT THE REASON THAT THE REASON WE'RE USING THE ONE PERCENT AT THE SAME MEETING, IT SEEMS TO BE FROM ONE TO FOUR PERCENT. THE ONES I TALKED TO. IT REALLY. CAN I SAY WITH THE FARM BUREAU MEETING? OKAY, NOW THIS WAS DELEGATES OF THE FARM ORGANIZATION, BUT THEY THEY WERE IN TUNE TO WHAT'S GOING ON IN THEIR LOCAL COUNTIES. BUT ONE TO FOUR PERCENT OF THE MASS OF LAND TENDS TO BE THE PARAMETERS. OKAY. OKAY, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTOOD. OK? SO WE HAD THE BOTTOM MR. UPDIKE BUT NOBODY TOLD ME A HALF OF PERCENT OR THREE IS LIKE ONE TO FOUR PERCENT KIND OF RANGE. [INAUDIBLE] I AGREE WITH THAT. WE GOT TO BE REALISTIC. THERE'S TWENTY TWENTY SIX HUNDRED ACRES IN THE LEFT LEFT. TWENTY SIX HUNDRED ACRES AND SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY UNDER ANY SCENARIO IS THE RESTRICTIVE AMOUNT THAT'S LEFT. [INAUDIBLE] SIX HUNDRED ACRES OF AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION. HOW MUCH? I MEAN, WE DON'T WE DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S AGRICULTURE. IT'S GOING TO BE COSTING THE COUNTY. AND SPEAKING. HOW MANY? I JUST WANT TO. UNLESS YOU THINK ABOUT THAT AS FEW AS POSSIBLE. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THIS SAYS, AS FEW AS POSSIBLE. [01:30:02] I'LL TELL YOU WAY, WAY. NOT MUCH TO. I DON'T CARE. YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE A HUNDRED FEET IS MORE. A LOT OF BUSINESS AND BUSINESS AND WALKING. IT IS A LONG, LONG WAY ON THE FACE. IN BOOT. THEY TO BE DELIVERED TO. OR. BLAMED FOR 50 SOME YEARS, 60 YEARS, AND I'LL BE DAMNED IF I WANT TO SEE. WELL, SO I'M SITTING RIGHT THERE ONE HUNDRED FEET FROM MY HOUSE, FROM HER, OBVIOUSLY. MM HMM. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT YOU. EVERY CITIZEN IN THE COUNTY BY A HUNDRED FEET, ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I DON'T KNOW WHAT I CAN TELL YOU. OH, VERY SAD, RIGHT? YEAH, BUT. WELL, ONE PERCENT. YOU. YET LABOR CAN CLAIM ALL THAT IT OUT IN THE COLD. HE CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION. BUT I SAY YOU GO WAY OFF BASE. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A COPY OF THE MAPS AND WHAT YOU CAN DO. THAT'S WHAT YOU CAN DO, DESIGNATE. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO INTRODUCE MYSELF. I'M JOHN BOLTON, THE CEO OF OUTREACH FOR CHRIST. I KNOW YOU ALREADY HEARD THINGS ABOUT US. BUT, UH. I REALLY BELIEVE WE CAN STRENGTHEN THIS. AND, UH, WORK WITH THE CHURCH. BE A PART OF. WHEN WAS MY CARD OR TALK WITH ME OR ANYTHING? YOU COULD. THE EQUATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I PROMISE YOU, I'M THE LAST SPEAKER TONIGHT. FIVE. GOOD, GOOD. BUT THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME ON SUCH AN IMPORTANT MOUTH, MS. LEWIS. TO GET MORE FULL PARTICIPATION FROM THE FROM THE HUNT CLUB, THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT MUZZLE LOAD AND THEN THE PLACE WOULD HAVE FILLED UP. I KNOW LESS ABOUT MUZZLE BLOWING THAT I KNOW ABOUT HUNTING, BUT I DID TRY TO CALL SOME FOLKS IN CASE YOU ALL WANTED TO HEAR SOMETHING FROM SOMEBODY, FROM SOMEBODY HERE, BUT I WANT TO APPLAUD YOU ALL FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS SOLO. KIND OF LIKE MR. UPDIKE, I JUST DO NOT SEE NOW ANOTHER ONE COME. HONESTLY, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOOD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT. WE WERE AT THAT MEETING, ATE DINNER WITH A COUPLE, SAID THEY GOT ONE FOOT IN THEIR DAMAGED HOMES ALL THE TIME. I HAVEN'T BEEN THAT CLOSE TO ONE. MR. TENNESSEE, HAVE YOU HEARD ONE HUM? THEY MAY MAKE A LITTLE NOISE. MAKE A LITTLE NOISE. THEY'VE BEEN THERE ALL THEIR LIFE AND NOW THEY'VE GOT THIS HUM. WELL, APPLAUD YOUR EFFORTS, THE ONE PERCENT. REALLY TICKLES ME. BETTER THAN FIVE PERCENT. I KNOW YOU SAID TWO MORE SOUTHAMPTON SOULS ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, EACH ONE OF THOSE AT 12 13 ON A LAKE. I DON'T FARM THAT MUCH MONEY, SO EACH TIME YOU DO THAT, YOU REPLACE THEM ON A MEAL. IN SOME SORT OF FASHION. AND UNFORTUNATELY FOR THEM TO GET TO THE POINT THAT I'VE GOT TO GET MORE THAN THAT JUST TO SURVIVE. SO THIS JUST PUTS A PRESSURE ON THE LAND AS WELL. SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF IN Y'ALL DELIBERATIONS, I'M NOT GOING TO THROW FORESTRY UNDER THE BUS BECAUSE I'VE TRY TO SUPPORT THEM ANYWAY. BUT, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DESTINY BE IN THE WOODS AS WELL AS ALL [INAUDIBLE] I'M SORRY, YOU ALL DON'T SEE YOU LOOK GOOD. THAT'S ALL I COULD GET. MR. I CAN GIVE MR. CARLSON MINE THERE A LINE I CAN GIVE. HERE YOU GO. YOU HAVE THE BIG ONE THAT FOLDS OUT TOO, WAS THAT IN THERE, JACK? YES, I BELIEVE SO. LIKE I GAVE THEM ALL OF I DO APPLAUD, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE WE JUST FOUND WORK ON JUST FOUR YEARS AGO. OH, FIVE YEARS AGO, I SPOKE AT A FARM BUREAU AND JUST GOT THEM ALL AND GENERAL SESSION AND SPOKE TO SOLAR WIND. [01:35:01] NOW THEY'VE GOTTEN A WHIFF OF THIS RIGHT. THEY CALL IT RESULTS, BUT MY I WAS SO WRONG WITH ME. IT'S A HOT TOPIC NOW AND NOW I'VE ENCOUNTERED IS TURNED COMPLETELY AROUND AND SORT. YOU KNOW, TRYING TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO TO STOP SOME SIX THOUSAND ACRE PROJECTS AT ONE TIME. AND ANOTHER THING I JUST MENTIONED THIS, YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING TO BE AROUND OTHER LOCALITIES AND OTHER PEOPLE'S POINT OF VIEW. BUT ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE BREAK OUT WHEN THE YOUNG PEOPLE WERE THAT IT WAS A DISCUSSION, NOT A DEBATE, BUT IT WAS REAL INTERESTING TWO LADIES AND TWO YOUNG MEN. AND THE BIGGEST CONCERN TODAY OF US IN THE AG COMMUNITY AND IN A WORLD PERSPECTIVE, IS YOU KNOW, HEALTHY FOOD HAS NOT BEEN CONTAMINATED AND WATER. AND I THINK WE TAKE I THINK WE TAKE THE TWO FOR GRANTED. BUT THAT'S TRUE. AND THIS IS YOUNG PEOPLE. THIS IS LIKE, BUT I GUESS THERE WERE LIKE 30, UPPER 20 YEAR OLDS. AND, UM, THIS IS A MAJOR CONCERN. AND I THOUGHT AT LEAST I SAW THE NEWS BEFORE I CAME OVER TONIGHT, AND I UM, Y'ALL HEARD ABOUT THE MUDSLIDES IN HAWAII. AND THEY'VE MADE NEWS A DAY OR TWO AGO ANYWAY. THEY HAD TORRENTIAL RAINFALL, SOME EXTRACT STORM AND THE NAVAL BASE THERE HAS LIKE, UH, PETROLEUM TANKS OR WHATEVER JET FUEL IN THE WATER AND THE JET FUEL HAS GOTTEN INTO THE AQUIFER. THEY CANNOT DRINK THE WATER. AND THIS WAS THE HONOLULU, IS THAT RIGHT AREA? YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW. YEAH, JUST IT JUST SHOWS YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT? CAN YOU IMAGINE THAT'S GOING TO KILL THE ECONOMY? AND AND I'VE BEEN THERE WITH, LET'S GO BACK. WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO DRINK WHEN YOU GET THERE? WELL, IT'S FUNNY THAT THESE YOUNG PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT PURE, YOU KNOW, PURE DRINKABLE WATER IN A HEALTHY, PURE, YOU KNOW, GOOD GOOD FOOD. I LIKE TO APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ALL DO OR I I LIKE. I LIKE BEING ON THE OFFENSE AND NOT DEFENSE. NOT LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE WATCHING WHAT WE DO AND WHAT COMES OUT OF THIS [INAUDIBLE] APPRECIATE THE JOB, AND I HOPE THE SUPERVISORS. WE DO. I JUST TOLD MY GRANDCHILDREN THAT MY CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN HAVE TO CLEAN THIS MESS UP. OBVIOUSLY, TECHNOLOGY IS GOING TO CHANGE. IT'S GOT TO CHANGE, THIS STUFF IS CONTAMINATING THE LANDFILLS. IT PUT IT DOWN THERE. I DON'T CARE WHAT THEY TRY TO DO, THEY'RE NOT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE'LL GET BACK TO THE, YOU KNOW. A MAJOR WAR IS USED TO BE OVER ENERGY. WAR OF OIL, THE NEXT MAJOR WAR WE HAVE, GOD FORBID WE HAVE, IT'S GOING TO BE OVER FOOD AND WATER, CLEAN WATER, FOOD. ANYONE ELSE? CLOSE THE HEARING, I THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION IN YOUR COMMENTS. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN THE [INAUDIBLE] MATTER, WE HAVE NONE. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE TO COME BEFORE THIS BODY BEFORE WE ADJOURN? DO YOU HAVE AN INVITATION TO THE UNVEILING OF THE FLATHEAD SIGNPOST? I'VE GOT YOUR EMAIL WHERE YOU GO. DO YOU HAVE TO RESPOND OR NOT? THEY ASK THAT YOU RSVP? OKAY. YES. THIS WILL BE ON SATURDAY. CORRECT? RIGHT. I THINK YOU CAN STILL GO WITH THAT RESPONDING. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE TO COME BEFORE THE PARTY TONIGHT? BEFORE WE ADJOURN, I WANT TO WISH EVERYBODY A MERRY CHRISTMAS. BE SAFE WHEN YOU'RE TRAVELING, BE SAFE PEOPLE TO COVID. I GOT FRIENDS AGAIN, TOO. I'VE LOST A GOOD FRIEND THIS PAST WEEK. UH, UNFORTUNATELY IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S IT'S COMING BACK. Y'ALL, BE SAFE. WEAR YOUR MASK. GET YOUR SHOT. TAKE ALL YOUR PRECAUTIONS, PLEASE. I WILL SEE ALL YOU ALL BACK IN JANUARY. I'LL BE ATTENDING THE FUNERAL OF COWORKER TOMORROW AND THE FIRST THING. HMM. YO, MAN, FORTY FIVE YEARS OLD. THREE KIDS AND A WIFE. WOW. YEAH, WE GOT PEOPLE COMING ACROSS THE SOUTHERN BORDER TO NOT EVEN TEST ANYTHING AT ALL, YET IF YOU'RE IN PRIVATE BUSINESS IN CALIFORNIA OR NEW YORK, YOU'VE GOT TO GET YOUR SHOTS. IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, BUT CONTRADICTS. I GOT MY BOOSTER SHOT. YOU GOT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE ADJOURNS? A MOTION, WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN TO HAVE SECOND. I WILL DO. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR ATTENDANCE. BE CAREFUL GOING HOME. A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS IS A BIG DEAL. [01:40:04] IT'S 2:15. ONE AFTERNOON LAST THURSDAY, I MADE THREE CALL LIKE, CALL ME AND THANK YOU ALL FOR YOU. CALL ME. I THINK WE'VE MADE SOME GOOD PROGRESS. YOU DO YOUR FLU SHOT. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.